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11:40 < Pawlac_1> https://i.sli.mg/hxBNVw.png #truth, fam.
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16:36 < JonnyH> Pawlac_1: Smack talk there :P
16:37 < Pawlac_1> huehueheuhu
16:38 < JonnyH> OpenGL: http://assets.aspyr.com.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/screenshot/image/273/RAGE_SS5.jpg
16:38 < JonnyH> Directx: http://i46.tinypic.com/2rzz1gn.jpg
16:38 < JonnyH> :P
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16:41 < Pawlac_1> too bad that DirectX is not enough to make pixel "art" indie games more beautiful looking, hueheuheu
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16:15 < Skin36> Oh, how many people)
16:18 <@JonnyH> All we need is some activity and it's almost as if openapoc is actually alive :P
16:22 <@JonnyH> At least the reason I've been too busy the last month or so is finally done
16:22 <@JonnyH> So hopefully have more progress soonish :)
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16:40 < Skin36> openapoc alive as long as we have not lost interest in him
16:42 < Kaljakoppa> And I'm competing against you, and hope you do the same
16:42 < Kaljakoppa> Hope to finish the race together :)
16:42 < Kaljakoppa> Referring to our OpenKeeper project
16:44 < Skin36> OpenKeeper ?
16:46 <@JonnyH`Work> dk2 remake?
16:50 < Kaljakoppa> Yes
16:50 < Kaljakoppa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOKXlO-n114
16:50 < Kaljakoppa> Getting ready for video #4, propably this weekend
16:51 < Kaljakoppa> I've finally implemented creature slapping, which is the most important feature
16:52 < Kaljakoppa> If you finish up before OpenKeeper does, OpenKeeper will be postponed until I once again show those aliens how is the boss
16:52 < Kaljakoppa> That would be a tragic blow
16:59 < Skin36> I do not think that it will be fast, that is really engaged in the development of a single person
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Kaljakoppa: And if you finish first playing dk2 again would probably interrupt my work :)
17:03 < Skin36>  :)
17:11 < Kaljakoppa> :)
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> (:
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20:37 < domsson> Yohey, how's it gooooing?
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20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> hey domsson 
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> It's gooooing... slowly :)
20:50 < SupSuper> every once in a while someone still posts a comment here: http://openxcom.org/2014/07/a-new-apocalypse-remake-on-the-horizon/
20:50 < SupSuper> i wonder if it's the first google result or something :p
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> The only google result? :P
20:53 < SupSuper> looks like it: https://www.google.com/search?q=apocalypse+remake
20:53 < SupSuper> you need to up your street cred :P
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20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> It probably doesn't help that the 'official' forum takes ~10 seconds to load
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> which probably means the google bot exludes it from searches
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I have no idea what he's running on
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably a potato and a bit of twine he found in a bin somewhere
21:01  * domsson watches the latest video
21:01 < domsson> holy shieeet, a base!
21:01 < domsson> a list of vehicles! with equipment slots!
21:01 < domsson> i'm almost aroused
21:01 < domsson> almost.
21:02 < domsson> just looking at that.. with the background music.. sends me back in time. :)
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> You can move your vehicles around too
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Just don't try to launch a ground one
21:03 < SupSuper> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusZXECS0mM
21:03 < domsson> you might call that slow progress, but for an opensource hobby project like this, i think its looking real good!
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> But to me it feels like I haven't done anything in at least a month...
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Possibly 'caus I haven't really done anything for over a month :P
21:07 < domsson> are u still working with two repos?
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I still use mine as a local staging/whatever
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> but anything I want to 'keep
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> is merged into pmprog's
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Heh, youtube analytics is weird
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I can see why people care, it's like a little game
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> The other week a website in south korea linked a video causing a burst in traffic from there...
21:15 < Pawlac_1> ching chong
21:15 < domsson> stats can be addictive, its horrible
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> nearly FIVE THOUSAND PEOPLE have wasted their time watching me wave a mouse towards a valkyre interceptor icon
21:16 < SupSuper> most bursts of activity come from someone linking you, but in general search results are your regular visitors. kinda surprises me how much people are still randomly finding stuff out there instead of being linked
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Sometimes you get people arrive through 'related videos' from... weird stuff
21:17 < SupSuper> lol
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Meh, I have no plans this weekend, what should I work on next...
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> It's, been long enough I forgot what I was doing
21:18 < SupSuper> probably something involving vehicles :p
21:18 < SupSuper> or vulkan
21:19 < SupSuper> it's kinda funny how *any* xcom-related activity feeds into our projects. you'd expect xcom2 to have sucked up the hits but: http://puu.sh/ne59f/a1a06a1130.png
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm waiting for a driver that'll not crash on my prototype :P
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Telling people to buy a nexus player to run openapoc feels... weird
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20:29 <@JonnyH> Hey
20:42 < SupSuper_> hey
20:44 <@JonnyH> I feel like working on fancy features again instead of 'infrastructure'....
20:46 <@JonnyH> Maybe show the battlescape maps?
20:46 < Kaljakoppa> :P
20:46 < Kaljakoppa> Yes please :)
20:47 <@JonnyH> Showing them would be 'easy'... interacting less so
20:47 < Kaljakoppa> https://www.facebook.com/openkeeper/
20:47 < Kaljakoppa> We're getting ready for video #4
20:47 <@JonnyH> nice :D
20:48 < Kaljakoppa> Originally put an DK II pic as cover, but I was afraid that EA would sue us straight
20:48 <@JonnyH> Yeah, this whole thing is kinda legally grey -_-
20:49 < Kaljakoppa> EA is the worst
20:49 <@JonnyH> best not to poke the sleeping bear
20:49 < Kaljakoppa> Yep
20:49 < SupSuper_> ohhhh, are you remaking dk1 or dk2?
20:50 <@JonnyH> dk2 by the look of it?
20:50 < Kaljakoppa> DK II
20:51 < Kaljakoppa> KeeperFX is for DK I
20:51 < SupSuper_> nice
20:51 < SupSuper_> yeah it's easy enough to run dk1 but dk2 is in that annoying "00s windows" era
20:52 <@JonnyH> It's just as things started using the 'proper' APIs
20:52 <@JonnyH> rather than thunking down to dos calls etc
20:53 < Kaljakoppa> DK II runs quite ok with GOG patches, Good old games made a graphics patch of some sort
20:53 <@JonnyH> is it dx based?
20:53 < Kaljakoppa> It runs ok, but the age shows, menus are super slow
20:53 < Kaljakoppa> I guess it, I'd say it is
20:53 < SupSuper_> yeah w95 was already around when dk1 was out, so dk2 is just well into directx
20:54 < Kaljakoppa> Hidden in the engine is supposedly a start of OpenGL support
20:54 < SupSuper_> it's just in that "old enough to cause problems but not old enough to emulate" era
20:54 < SupSuper_> hell i remember they still made a directx patch for dk1
20:55 <@JonnyH> Heh, I remember the massive clusterfuck direct3d was before 7
20:55 < SupSuper_> and now anything before 9 is unsupported
20:55 <@JonnyH> which was released in 1999,  so probably not available for dk2
20:56 <@JonnyH> IIRC some people were using wine's direct3d-translation layer to fixup 'older' games
20:56 <@JonnyH> and people had more luck with that than running in 'real' windows :P
20:56 < SupSuper_> yeah that's more necessary than ever now. windows10 still emulates directdraw, but any old direct3d are just gone
20:57 < SupSuper_> windows8-10 technically
20:57 < SupSuper_> i'm not sure why it's easier to emulate old directdraw than old direct3d but :p
20:57 <@JonnyH> Interestingly d3d started with a retained-style rendering API, which probably is more similar to vulkan/dx12 than dx7-11 :P
20:58 <@JonnyH> Clearly ahead of the time
20:59 < SupSuper_> directx goals have shifted a lot
20:59 <@JonnyH> Yeah, the retained mode worked well for sw rasterisers, which like a nice deep queue they can sort/play around with
21:00 < SupSuper_> first it was "there's too much crazy different hardware, let's just abstract it all and give them free reign"
21:00 <@JonnyH> Then dx6+ started supporting graphics accelerators, which started as dumb "draw a triangle at x/y/z" rasterisers
21:00 <@JonnyH> and now the GPUs are big complex processors again that like a deep queue
21:00 < SupSuper_> then it was "there's only this hardware now, let's just be more focused and particular"
21:00 < SupSuper_> and now it's back to "free reign" and "to the metal" :p
21:01 <@JonnyH> Our DX driver is a mess
21:01 <@JonnyH> 'caus it pretty much defines stuff like "how shaders are run" etc.
21:01 <@JonnyH> which isn't really true in a tile-based architecture
21:01 < SupSuper_> lol
21:02 <@JonnyH> their whql tests are extensive though
21:02 < SupSuper_> it's also funny how directx was basically an "everything layer" and now it's pretty much just graphics
21:02 <@JonnyH> but the bugs you see even today in gfx drivers shows "lots of tests" and "good tests" aren't necessarily related :P
21:02 < SupSuper_> audio, input, etc, all just became mundane and standardized into the os level
21:03 <@JonnyH> Audio is a good example of that, all those accelerators etc.
21:03 < SupSuper_> the death of eax :p
21:03 <@JonnyH> and now it's 'simple' enough just to put on a cpu core and never think of it again
21:03 <@JonnyH> creative killed eax by not licensing the standard...
21:04 < SupSuper_> and openal is on its way :p
21:04 <@JonnyH> audio isn't interesting anymore...
21:05 < SupSuper_> windows will probably carry its one software midi driver into perpetuity though
21:07 <@JonnyH> Just fire up timidity daemon
21:07 <@JonnyH> no need to have os support as a 'driver'...
21:08 < SupSuper_> timidity sounds like farts :p
21:09 <@JonnyH> The default patches sounds like farts...
21:09 <@JonnyH> 'caus they don't want the download to be ~300mb :P
21:09 < Kaljakoppa> Was Apocalypse music MIDis?
21:10 <@JonnyH> Naa, it's all pcm in apoc
21:10 <@JonnyH> only 22050 hz though (half the samplerate of redbook)
21:10 < SupSuper_> yeah the advantage of windows is their driver is basically a licensed yamaha chip
21:11 < SupSuper_> no fuss, no farts :P
21:11 <@JonnyH> that's not general midi then, it'll be a fm-synthesiser
21:12 <@JonnyH> but probably the artists focused on that at the time, as everyone (and their dog) had a soundblaster
21:12 <@JonnyH> the OPL2 was in everythig then IIRC
21:12 < SupSuper_> yeah i'm pretty sure they just got it off creative
21:12 < SupSuper_> it's not an actual opl but close enough
21:14 < SupSuper_> of course it's not good enough for afficionados though :p http://donyaquick.com/midi-on-windows/#x1-70002.2.1
21:14 <@JonnyH> They're probably the sort of person who has valves in their hi-fi...
21:15 <@JonnyH> though 100ms audio delay is criminal
21:15 <@JonnyH> *whistles nonchalantly while avoiding looking at the current sfx start delay in openapoc*
21:15 < SupSuper_> i guess i'm the criminal here :p
21:16 < SupSuper_> oh it's actually a soundcanvas (which was like a low-budget soundblaster): http://impossible-music.wikia.com/wiki/Microsoft_GS_Wavetable_Synth
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21:17 < SupSuper_> kernel-mode midi!
21:17 <@JonnyH> welcome to windows
21:17 <@JonnyH> Kernel-mode 3d driver too
21:17 <@JonnyH> (until vista? Or win7? One of the wddm revisions at least)
21:18 < SupSuper_> probably vista, the major revisions were in vista and 8
21:18 <@JonnyH> now it's a weird clusterfuck of a bit in kernel, a bit in user that keep passing data back and forth through a MS-provided interface we have to backdoor all the time to do anything useful
21:18 < SupSuper_> woo!
21:19 <@JonnyH> They sold it well, "Look at all this code MS provide so you don't have to write it yourself"
21:19 <@JonnyH> but it doesn't work in the same way our hw does, so we have to fight against it if anything...
21:19 <@JonnyH> We have some 5x people working on the dx driver than the opengles
21:20 <@JonnyH> and it's still slower, and windows-on-arm hasn't gone anywhere
21:20 <@JonnyH> and the atoms has a awful intel-'tweaked' driver that just crashed all the time...
21:20 <@JonnyH> *rant over*
21:20 < SupSuper_> so why bother?
21:20 <@JonnyH> Good question :P
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00:26 < Kaljakoppa> https://youtu.be/xXvigR4XlEI
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18:13 <@JonnyH> Hmm, all our vehicle 'turning' banking sprites are messed up...
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20:38 < SupSuper> well that was fast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIdNoSB69PI&feature=youtu.be
20:39 <@JonnyH> the epic guys were quite involved in the spec
20:39 <@JonnyH> I expect that's a running prototype they developed during that
20:39 < SupSuper> shame they don't mention the hardware :p
20:41 <@JonnyH> They never say anywhere that video is run on real sw or realtime or whatever :P
20:43 < SupSuper> well they don't have to with the source available to everyone
20:43 <@JonnyH> I don't think there are any public vulkan drivers with astc support out there?
20:43 <@JonnyH> the desktop versions don't have astc, the nexus player we ship doesn't have astc (it's a slightly older core)
20:43 <@JonnyH> and I don't think any other mobile vendor has released a prototype driver?
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20:46 < SupSuper> found the deets: https://www.unrealengine.com/blog/epic-games-unveils-protostar-at-samsung-galaxy-unpacked
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20:48 < SupSuper> so definitely not public to everyone :p
20:48 <@JonnyH> I think all the major players have submitted conformance passes
20:48 <@JonnyH> so 'all' vendors have a driver (no claims WRT performance / stability though :)
20:50 < SupSuper> looks like it's this one: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/qualcomm-announces-vulkan-api-support-on-the-adreno-530-gpu-300221252.html
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16:02 < sf{bad_alloc}> hey JonnyH
16:02 <@JonnyH> hey sf{bad_alloc} 
16:02 < sf{bad_alloc}> (late) congrats with the vulkan release!
16:02 <@JonnyH> Thanks :
16:02 <@JonnyH> ..)
16:02 <@JonnyH> Now I hopefully have a bit more time for openapoc :)
16:02 < sf{bad_alloc}> yay! :>
16:03 <@JonnyH> But the github issues & comments and whatnot started pouring in for vk
16:03 <@JonnyH> I guess that's what we asked for :P
16:05 < sf{bad_alloc}> I couldn't really stay away from the renderers, thought about more efficient (aggressive?) caching for drawn images
16:05 < sf{bad_alloc}> like ttp://www.blackpawn.com/texts/lightmaps/
16:06 < sf{bad_alloc}> will hopefully have a more-or-less working version soon-ish, but will probably rewrite half of gles2 renderer in the process
16:06 <@JonnyH> Like I said, I'm probably going to rejig  the renderer - at least the gles3+ version :)
16:06 <@JonnyH> I'm not sure if there will be any hw that will actually run openapoc 'well' and only be gles2
16:07 <@JonnyH> It might be a 'fun' project, but possibly less useful...
16:07 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, there are always "extensions"...
16:07 < sf{bad_alloc}> tegra3 actually has texture arrays
16:07 <@JonnyH> If it has integer texture too
16:07 <@JonnyH> we could just run with that
16:08 <@JonnyH> I already have a rect packing function somewhere or other...
16:08 <@JonnyH> errm...
16:09 < sf{bad_alloc}> https://www.khronos.org/registry/gles/extensions/NV/NV_texture_array.txt is the NV-specific extension, though the device itself refers to https://www.opengl.org/registry/specs/EXT/texture_array.txt
16:10 <@JonnyH> It's possible NV proposed the NV version, then it was made 'generic' in a v2 for the EXT version
16:10 <@JonnyH> That's a common path these extensions take
16:10 <@JonnyH> My god I have lots of branches...
16:10 <@JonnyH> I'm sure I have some rect packing code around somwhere...
16:12 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/renderer2
16:12 <@JonnyH> I was also thinking of tweaking the renderer api ^^
16:12 <@JonnyH> effectively, push the context creation to the backend
16:12 <@JonnyH> and add a swap()
16:13 <@JonnyH> hopefully insulate us from having #ifdef (EGLCONTEXT) or whatever
16:13 < sf{bad_alloc}> thing is, the EXT seems to be written against desktop GL20. Seems to be using a float coord for layer: "layer = max (0, min(d - 1, floor (coord.p + 0.5))"
16:14 <@JonnyH> gpu_shader4 might say 'interacts with... EXT_texture_array' and say how that changes it for integer's being usable in glsl
16:14 <@JonnyH> One issue with extensions is a complex web of 'this affects that'
16:15 <@JonnyH> yeah, gpu_shader4 defines integer texture_array
16:15 < sf{bad_alloc}> there's also the thing about most devices supporting 3d textures instead
16:17 < sf{bad_alloc}> also, texture arrays are core in 3.0, but I couldn't find an ext in the n4 extensions list for gles2?
16:17 < sf{bad_alloc}> so, we're creating context in the renderer now? Makes sense
16:23 < sf{bad_alloc}> also, I've been toying with the khronos' GL header generators, made myself some "compact" gles(+extensions) loaders (like in https://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/file/cd34aa8b624c/test/testgles2.c)
16:26 <@JonnyH> glloadgen (the script I used for the loaders initially) allows you to choose specific extensions
16:27 <@JonnyH> and I hacked it to remove functions we don't use...
16:28 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/gofasterrenderer/framework/spritepacker.cpp
16:28 <@JonnyH> spritepacker :)
16:28 < sf{bad_alloc}> but it didn't support gles at the time (and rightly so, because you'd link to libGLESv2.so on any sane platform)
16:28 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/EXPERIMENTAL/remove-unused-glcalls
16:28 <@JonnyH> hacked glloadgen results
16:29 <@JonnyH> back in a bit
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16:41 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, right now I'm generating pretty much the same interface as glloadgen: https://github.com/sfalexrog/OpenApoc/commit/a703e08ebcbec2c6b5cdaefaf939b461a3d2a717
16:41 < sf{bad_alloc}> but with less lua code and more macro magics
16:56 < sf{bad_alloc}> https://github.com/sfalexrog/sdl_packer_visualizer/blob/master/sdl_packer_visualizer/Packer.cpp yeah, looks like we're doing similar things
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17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> there's always the stb libs - common in a lot of gamedev stuff:
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/nothings/stb/blob/master/stb_rect_pack.h
17:37 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, the blackpawn's packer seems to work quite nicely for arbitrary-sized images, skyline might be easier to implement/faster, but I'm somewhat concerned about packing density - I don't know how many 2048x2048 layers I'm going to get
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I tried mine on the actual city sprite sizes
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and it "fit" within a factor of 2 optimal (it only expanded textures by doubling if neededd)
17:42 < sf{bad_alloc}> but some of the sprites contain transparent vertical/horizontal lines?
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I left the transparent 'border' around the sprite itself, which you *could* trim off
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> but meh, close enough ;)
17:56 < sf{bad_alloc}> huh, glTexImage* calls generally aren't required to set an error if the texture won't fit in memory :/
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18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> You should be using glTexStorage :P
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> as glTexImage2D allows re-sizing textures, so it's nearly impossible to tell if it will 'fit' or not
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> as you may never use the texture at the current size (so it's never uploaded to the gpu)
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> or might end up using 2x the memory you thought temporarially if the texture is currently in use (so can't re-use the 'current' allocation)
18:08 < sf{bad_alloc}> now if only it worked for es2 devices :p
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Like I said, I don't think we'll support es2 devices outside of internal dev :P
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll buy you a nice fancy gles3 tablet if you must :P
18:10 < sf{bad_alloc}> I guess you're right, it's about time to move on to a saner/more powerful API
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I doubt there's any gles-2 only devices that'll actualy be able to play it anyway...
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> without rather targetted optimised implementations
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> which would be a post-1.0 features I'd guess
18:15 < sf{bad_alloc}> huh, texStroage3D doesn't seem to specify an out-of-memory error as well :/
18:18 < sf{bad_alloc}> the "Develop for Android" button on the khronos' Vulkan page actually redirects to the Android NDK page, which has no mention of any Vulkan :p
18:18 < sf{bad_alloc}> they still haven't released an updated ndk as well...
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> There is currently no version of Android released that supports vulkan
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> On android, all platform libs go through system-provided wrappers, so you can't just *add* vulkan without a platform update
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> and google don't add (big) features in versions after release
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> so don't expect it until marshmallow+1 is released
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> we kinda hacked it in for out public fugu build, but that's not technically *android* (it doesn't pass the CTS, so it can't use GMS/play store etc.) offically
18:27 < sf{bad_alloc}> huh, samsung did something like that by the looks of it (looks like they've presented a device with vulkan capabilities)
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, there is currently no google-supported android vulkan support
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I believe they've announced their intention to do so Soon though ;)
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> But don't expect to run vulkan on android on any devices that don't get Marshmallow+1 at least
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> as a 'new gpu driver' requires recertification & testing etc.
18:32 < sf{bad_alloc}> yeah, and eventually vendors will decide to include the support in their devices :p (seriously, though, how old is marshmallow? and how many non-nexus devices are there that have official mm support?)
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> so even if the hw is capable there are things in the way of just doing a sw update
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Ifyou ever do any dev work on android, just get nexus devices....
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18:58 < Pawlac_1> https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan-driver oh so here it is
18:58 < Pawlac_1> https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2016/02/16/radeon-gpus-are-ready-for-the-vulkan-graphics-api and for AMD
18:59 < Pawlac_1> oh man
18:59 < Pawlac_1> my GPU is too old for it :/
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> 4 years is pretty good for a 'new' api :P
19:02 < Pawlac_1> well I have a Gefore 500 series
19:02 < Pawlac_1> GeForce*
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> aah, nvidia... poor you
19:03 < Pawlac_1> why, is AMD better, especially under linux?
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I use the oss drivers
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> where the nvidia ones are not helped by nvidia at all, purely reverse engineered
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> and never had any luck with them...
19:05 < Pawlac_1> heh I am forced to use the proprietary drivers because the libre driver doesn't fully support my GPU series
19:06 < Pawlac_1> eh, isn't OSS a sound driver?
19:06 < Pawlac_1> http://www.opensound.com/oss.html
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Open Source Software
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> AKA mesa drivers
19:13 < Pawlac_1> oh
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Developing graphics apps where you have the full driver code & can debug into it is crazy nice :)
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> even if you don't quite get the same performance as the closed drivers
19:14 < Pawlac_1> eh as long the performance gain is sufficient enough that justifies the additional work, well I guess why not
19:14 < Pawlac_1> better then no gain at all
19:15 < Pawlac_1> + ReactOS,Wine and Linux have anyway additional performance or is in par compared to Windows itself
19:16 < Pawlac_1> probably due to getting rid of all the old bugs and other crap that slows the whole process down
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Normally graphics stuff is less performant on linux than windows
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> just because engineer time trade off
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19:25 < Pawlac_1> but the difference is not too large, is it?
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> depends, normallt 50-80%?
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Some things are actually faster :P
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> but *games* are often silly-optimised
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19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> like the reason the nvidia driver is 150mb *compressed*
19:29 < Pawlac_1> damn thats alot
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> if they have completely new code paths that do " if(program == "Doom3") { do something non-speci compliant but we know works here } else if (program == "Assasin's creed II") etc etc etc
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> while the full mesa driver is like 2mb uncompressed :P
19:32 < Pawlac_1> I guess it is going to take quite a few decades till the mesa/nouveau etc devs can start doing optimization
19:32 < Pawlac_1> or if it will ever happen, a sudden influx of additional developers
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> They're not interested
19:33 < Pawlac_1> oh
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Unless they get like 10x the resources, they're happy doing a "spec compliant" instead of "targetted optimisations" driver
19:33 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: i thought 100mb was the .net framework and geforce experience :p
19:33 < Pawlac_1> makes sense, targeted optimization would take quite alot of time since there is bazillion of games and thousand of engines
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Still the acutal .dll on my example system is ~50mb
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> a factor of 25x the mesa equivalent P
19:38 < Pawlac_1> Ye, they can afford doing that obviously, after all they are such a xbox huge firm compared to those small time open source developers
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> vulkan changes that, as it puts a lot of that level of stuff into the hands of the gamedev themselves
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> which is good & bad - the gamedevs know exactly what they want to do, and do it, instead of hoping to hit a driver "fast path"
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> or wait for "game ready" drivers (I think is the nvidia terms) for a update driver including hacks for their game
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's clearly more work for the gamedev
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> and hopefully you won't 'accidently' hit a non-spec compliant heuristic unintentionally
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> which I suspect is what's happening with the "openapoc is upside-down on some nvidia drivers" bug :P
19:41 < SupSuper> time to rename it to doom3.exe :P
19:41 < Pawlac_1> kek
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I tried quake3.exe and apparently that works
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> don't have an nvidia card to test with anymore though
19:41 < SupSuper> although i imagine most "game ready" drivers these days aren't so much "hacks" as "these are the best settings for running this game on this hardware"
19:41 < Pawlac_1> time to rebrand openapoc as quake3 mod :P
19:41 < SupSuper> because devs can't afford to test on every hardware variety
19:42 < SupSuper> and gamers will always try to turn it up to 11 :P
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Most of these hacks are selectable in a config now, not actually different codepaths
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> "profiles" or whatever they call them
19:43 < Pawlac_1> ye, in windows that is easily done
19:43 < SupSuper> i imagine they got a solution similar to windows compatibility shims
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I think you can switch them
19:44 < Pawlac_1> under linux one needs to look up what all those damn variable means
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> and it's sometimes fun to see what weird and wonderful things break when you do :P
19:44 < Pawlac_1> +it doesn't seem to offer all the options what windows driver one does
19:44 < SupSuper> because pretty much anything hardware-accelerated gets a "profile", even stuff like browsers and ides
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Don't know anything about the nvidia drivers
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but there's .so symbol versioning in Linux so if nvidia provide differently versioned entrypoints they can link to the ones that they know work...
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> so if they change the behaviour after testing it'll keep the 'old' version too
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but again that relies on the dev actually enabling that and nvidia exporting the versions...
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> which I doubt they'll do
19:46 < Pawlac_1> gotta get dem macrosoft gibsmedat programs :P
19:47 < SupSuper> the fact they filter by exe is not very accurate though: http://puu.sh/nhAZa/f886681017.png
19:47 < SupSuper> so they've started adding folder names :p
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> yup ;P
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Though it's not like wolf3d "uses" the gpu driver
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be a generic "dosbox" optimisation after all
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> (Or the way their fb emulation interacts with the gpu driver)
19:48 < SupSuper> yeah i imagine most of these are just for dual-gpu scenarios
19:48 < SupSuper> so they can decide what uses integrated and what uses gpu
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> All the sli stuff is another level of hacks
19:48 < SupSuper> even if that means basically profiling *every program ever* :p
19:48 < SupSuper> time to enable all the GPU on excel.exe!
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> where a driver engineer says "This render can be put on GPU2 efficiently, so try to recognise it's dependencies and push that there instead"
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> it's those necessary spy hunter optimisations, clearly :P
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Unless excel uses opencl now?
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> devenv.exe
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Does that mean anything run under the msvc debugger gets that profile??
19:50 < SupSuper> nah that's the ide itself
19:50 < SupSuper> which, yes, it's hardware-accelerated, you can even stream it :p
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> which clearly needs a different gpu driver path :P
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Or do they add one for *everything*
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> and most just link to some default profile
20:02 < SupSuper> well... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1949448/nvidia.gif
20:02 < SupSuper> they're probably mostly the same. i don't know if to a dev there's any significant difference between reusing profiles or copy-pasting bools each time :p
20:04 < SupSuper> they have, however, managed to make a combobox so big it needs its own thread
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/tree/src/mesa/drivers/dri/common/drirc
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and they're app bugs :P
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20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> hola pmprog 
20:06 <@pmprog> Morning
20:06 <@pmprog> How are we?
20:06 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: not that many linux games huh
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> it's 12:07 here, you're too late for that "morning" stuff
20:06 < SupSuper> wow haven't seen savage 2 in forever
20:07 <@pmprog> It's 8pm here, but still close enough to "a" morning ;)
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Most are benchmarks, so probably just the ones the devs actually tested and could be bothered to track down
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> It's after 6pm somewhere
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> *opens beer*
20:07 <@pmprog> Hmmm, beer, sounds good
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Does anyone really hate exceptions here?
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Like in "actual errors" exceptions?
20:08 <@pmprog> I hate that they occur ;-)
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> It just seems easier to abort serialization with an exception than returned-errored
20:08 < Pawlac_1> I hate when the crash.log spouts meaningless error, nigh impossible to debug
20:08 <@pmprog> Never used them in anything other than .NET though
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Or implement the std::expected proposal...
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Boost probably has that somewhere :P
20:11 <@pmprog> How's OpenApoc coming along?
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Alright
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Tried to get the 'banking' & non-instant turning working this last weekend
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Only to realise the sprite defintions are all wrong...
20:11 <@pmprog> :(
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> there's actually 16 of each direction, not 8
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> so everything is offet wrong...
20:11 <@pmprog> Oh?
20:12 <@pmprog> Boo
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I assumed everything started at 'North' (positive X, zero Y) - true for the non-banking
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> but they look like they start somewhere like West (zero X, negative Y)
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> because Reasons
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll just have to update OpenApoc_Data extractor
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> and re-generate the xml
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> which isn't too hard
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll probably pull the extractor into the 'main' openapoc repo sometime too
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> as keeping the versions in sync is annoying with 2 different streams
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. if we add a new data file / record / change the format they both need an update anyway...
20:15 <@pmprog> Makes sense... That's kinda why I put the PCK extractor in the debug menus ;)
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Then I'll rework the serialization for save games
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> and maybe use the same technique to load the initial data too
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> then it'll be some magic future world where you can include 'patches' or mode into the serialization tree...
20:17 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: here's openxcom's serialization: try { save() } catch (yaml::exception) { print("your save's fucked") } :p
20:18 <@pmprog> lol
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/savegame/framework/serialize.cpp#L25
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> So "Your save's fucked at node <X> in file <Y> is a step up then? :P
20:19 <@pmprog> :)
20:20 < SupSuper> sure, saving to a file is probably the most error-prone piece of code anyways, as long as you let them try again :p
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20:21 < SupSuper> everything from "no permissions to save" to "you were overwriting a save but the new save failed but you don't actually wanna lose your old save so we actually save to a temp location first and overwrite afterwards but that just adds more steps that can fail"
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> "Failed to read the .zip" is a different error, same with "Failed to parse the .xml file"
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> though a lot of that won't be /known/ to be invalid until after serializing in and cross-referencing (I'm going to add a GameState::isValid() call for that - similar to & extending the current Rules ones)
20:42 <@pmprog> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/21/linux_mint_hacked_malwareinfected_isos_linked_from_official_site/
20:44 < SupSuper> huh that's an odd target
20:44 < SupSuper> i guess nobody will suspect an iso?
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Wordpress running on the same machine as the isos? As a user with write access? With no signed checksum?
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> easy target
20:45 <@pmprog> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/22/linux_mint_forums_hacked/
20:45 <@pmprog> Says the forums too - though I've had no email about resetting my password
20:52 < SupSuper> oh sure, i just mean the audience that regularly downloads linux mint isos probably isn't that juicy :p
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> But probably have access to more infrastructure that is juicy
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Imagine pulling everyone's ssh keys off their linux workstations
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I bet that's quite juicy :P
20:53 < SupSuper> i'm sure the fact that openxcom runs on wordpress will eventually screw us over, but i trust ninex to keep the server safe ;)
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> If you really want to, publish an openxcom gpg public key
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> and sign checksums with that
20:54 < SupSuper> granted it's much easier for someone to just go on the forums post a "totally cool openxcom modded version"
20:54 < SupSuper> uh... hope nobody's listening :p
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> The forum you say?
20:54  * JonnyH`Work takes notes
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21:04 < SupSuper> well anything i'd sign with would have to be on the server for the builder, rendering it moot :p
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Keep the private key only readable by the builder user?
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Have a build machine that does as little as possible for fewer holes?
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Only sign released after you've checked them manually?
21:06 < SupSuper> give up and dehumanize yourself?
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Add a signing pass anyway to make it look more secure even if it doesn't make any different? (This one seems popular)
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, I've decided to tackle the saved game / serialization this week
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I keep 'starting' it, then thinking of a different possible implementation and play around with that instead
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll run with what I've got so far, if it's imperfect we can always tweak it later :P
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> but as this will likely affect a lot of the GameState definition, better get it over with sooner rather than later...
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21:25 <@pmprog> I'm off, catch you later
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22:22 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8f3aa92 Jonathan Hamilton: Format
22:22 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e98f5e8 Jonathan Hamilton: Update physfs to remove 'pfad ...' printf messages
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22:38 < SupSuper> a commit? say it isn't so
22:38 <@JonnyH> :O
22:38 <@JonnyH> I'm currently doing weird fancy c++ things
22:39 <@JonnyH> so expect to go cross eyed soon all for the name of saved games!
22:39 < SupSuper> :O
22:39 < SupSuper> 8O
22:39 <@JonnyH> template errors are fun
22:40 <@JonnyH> By fun I mean "trying to figure out where in 500 lines of error spew the actual error is"
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00:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Hmm.. Maybe a ~5 minutes saved game load time is a little excessive
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01:08 <@JonnyH`Work> there we go, 100x faster with one weird trick (Programmers hate this!)
01:09 <@JonnyH`Work> not copying the string every bit you read from it is probably for the best :)
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15:19 < makus> Hi 2 all
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15:35 <@JonnyH> Hi
15:51 < makus> im write to Joshua and dont get answer ( so mb im can  buy domain and create all from scrach
15:52 <@JonnyH> sorry, what's the context? Which domain?
16:15 < makus> buy some domain   net or com
16:15 <@JonnyH> I own openapoc.org...
16:15 < makus> or mb pmprog buy domain nad write my host dns
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16:17 < makus> and i can give everyone  access to ftp nad msql
16:18 <@JonnyH> I have plenty of server capacity, domains and dns are not a problem
16:18 <@JonnyH> The issue is actually getting someone to administer it :P
16:19 < makus> because pmprog he can not give the right to the nature of the hosting
16:19 <@JonnyH> The forums are kinda slow, but other than that it seems fine to me
16:19 < makus> so openapoc.org its you buy?
16:20 <@JonnyH> Yes, openapoc.org was bought by me (so I can change where it points to etc.)
16:20 <@JonnyH> pmprog.co.uk is (obviously) pmprog's
16:20 < makus> we can also convert forum to other more cool engine
16:20 <@JonnyH> 'cool' doesn't interest
16:21 <@JonnyH> I want to make sure 1) we don't lose any posts and 2) it's as simple as possible to setup and administer
16:21 < makus> LOL then why you  did not say that when we talked wich pmprog here??????????????
16:21 <@JonnyH> If it's not the best looking website in the world I don't really care :)
16:21 <@JonnyH> I was mostly whining about the speed of loading the forums
16:22 <@JonnyH> which can be very slow (not really sure what the problem is with that, not really looked into it)
16:22 <@JonnyH> though putting it all on the same domain (openapoc.org) probably makes sense - it's a bit weird to be redirected to pmprog.co.uk for the forum link :)
16:23 < makus> so you do not want to give me access to?
16:23 < makus> hosting?
16:23 <@JonnyH> I don't have access to pmprog's hosting myself
16:23 < makus> why you  did not say that when we talked wich pmprog here
16:24 <@JonnyH> and Jo5hua owns the openapoc.org webserver IIRC
16:24 < makus> that its your domain
16:24 < makus> hw own host
16:24 <@JonnyH> I only have the openapoc.org domain, and that just points at Jo5hua's dns
16:24 < makus> and you own domain and can change dns?
16:25 <@JonnyH> yes, but it currently forwards to DNS servers under Jo5hua's control
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16:25 < makus> then if you have other host and domain then we can make all iwn right now
16:25 <@JonnyH> If I want to change where it points I'lll have to change that, which will probably break the current site
16:25 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I can setup a new vps pretty quickly and fire up a webserver on it and point openapoc.org at that
16:25 <@JonnyH> but I'm not interested in maintaining a webserver myself
16:26 <@JonnyH> I don't really do *web* stuff :P
16:26 < makus> if you have admin right on wordpress engine on openapoc you can
16:26 < makus> export news in admin cp
16:26 <@JonnyH> IT's not wordpress it's Jo5shua's custom CMS IIRC
16:27 < makus> i have my own host and i can host all
16:27 <@JonnyH> TBH the current openapoc.org site (the blog) isn't as important as the forum posts to keep
16:27 < makus> but if you say that you have own
16:27 < makus> ...
16:27 <@JonnyH> If we lose the ~5 posts on there when moving it's not the end of the world
16:27 < makus> but its really simple man)
16:28 < makus> just 2 clicks to export news)
16:29 < makus> hm and also http://openapoc.org/ dont work but http://www.openapoc.org/ work
16:29 <@JonnyH> IT redirects to www. here...
16:29 <@JonnyH> but that might be my browser
16:30 <@JonnyH> yeah, it is, dig doesn't resolve it...
16:30 < makus> hm mb its not wordpress
16:30 <@JonnyH> Talk to Jo5hua - it currently points to his DNS server (which does some excessively complex load balancing/local server stuff)
16:30 <@JonnyH> so he's the one that'll need to add the A record for openapoc.org
16:31 <@JonnyH> it's a bit of a weird setup, I own the domain but just point the resolving servers at Jo5hua's
16:32 < makus> so you cant change dns?
16:32 <@JonnyH> I can take back the dns servers, but that will lose the current setup
16:33 <@JonnyH> As I said, it's kinda overly complex for what we use it for :P
16:33 <@JonnyH> I think Jo5hua was using us as a test for 'larger' websites that actually need all this cache/load balancing/whatever stuff
16:35 < makus> Joshua just dissaper
16:35 < makus> and dont answer
16:36 <@JonnyH> Yeah, he does that quite often :P
16:36 < makus> so if you can change dns i can backup all news and repost it in new blog
16:36 <@JonnyH> It's not blocking us right now
16:36 <@JonnyH> And I'd want to run it past Jo5hua if possible first
16:36 < makus> ? what it mean
16:37 <@JonnyH> so it kinda works right now, it's not stopping me doing anything, I don't really care :P
16:37 < makus> but he dissapea so it will be an excuse for Joshua
16:38 <@JonnyH> If it breaks when he's not around then yes we would probably change it without asking (as we can't ask him if he's away)
16:38 <@JonnyH> but it's not 'broken' right now :P
16:40 <@JonnyH> And if it's not broken, and it's not stopping me from doing anything right now
16:40 <@JonnyH> I don't really see a whole lot of need to change it
16:41 <@JonnyH> As I said the 'most annoying' part is the forum speed, and that's pmprog's site not Jo5hua's
16:41 < makus> We are all adult man and all dont enough time and I propose to do is completely all that is needed for the development of the project
16:41 < makus> but instead we are doing here is not clear what
16:41 <@JonnyH> Yeah, we probably need a 'community manager' or something to do all this stuff
16:42 <@JonnyH> As I'm just a code monkey, not really interested in anything but writing weird c++ code for fun :P
16:42 < makus> EXACTLYYYYYY  MANNNNN )))))
16:42 < makus> Yeah, we probably need a 'community manager' or something to do all this stuff
16:43 < makus> but my host mb not really fast
16:44 < makus> and also i can give access all needed peaple so if iwn i was busy somebudy else can do work
16:44 < makus> people
16:45 <@JonnyH> having access isn't really too useful if I have no idea how it works to 'fix' things :P
16:46 < makus> we can find more ppl to carry all needed proceses
16:48 <@JonnyH> anyway, gotta earn money ;)
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16:49 < makus> omg
16:49 < makus> and next year nothing change
16:50 <@JonnyH`Work> If we want to change the websites etc. we'll at least need to talk to pmprog and supsuper too, I'm sure they would have an opinion better than my 'I don't really care'
16:53 < makus> good blog and good forum will attract people not blog and forum that not attractive and not integrated in social netw
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I would say our content needs to be better
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> More technical blog posts might be interesting...
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I was planning to do a progress video once/month etc.
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> but not managed this month yet...
16:54 < makus> phprog he does not mind
16:55 < makus> phprog he does not mind but he think that Joshua have all include domain so he think that we should wait when Joshua uppears
16:56 < makus> but if you have domain we can do all that iw offer
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I can change the domain to a different server
16:56 < makus> make new blog move forum to openapoc.org and make new design
16:57 < makus> make new blog, move forum to openapoc.org and make new design
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> but I can't change some subdomains and keep Jo5hua's site working, his setup doesn't work if I take back the canon dns servers
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Just having forum.openapoc.org as the forum domain would be nice
16:58 < makus> if blog was wordpress we can bridge forum and blog accounts
16:58 < makus> but its if forum in openapoc.org/forum
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, it was nice of Jo5hua to offer his own blog sw etc.
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> but there's disadvantages to using your own 'custom' solution...
16:58 < makus> yes BIG
17:00 < makus> if its not some secure needed thing
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19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Hey SupSuper 
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> makus was badgering me this morning to try to make our websites more fancier and all that jazz
19:05 < SupSuper> how so?
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure really, I think he just thinks newer == better
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> generally I said "It doesn't seem broke, and if it ain't broke..."
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and really, I don't care about web stuff, I just want to write weird c++ templates all day long :)
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, and my serialization stuff:
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I've enabled you to pull in 'patches' that modify the GameState tree
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> useful for fixing 'wrong' data, stuff we can't extract outselves (or don't know how)
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> or 'openapoc-specific' implementation data
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> and in the future, mods :)
19:07 < SupSuper> cool
19:08 < SupSuper> so mcd patches ;p
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, but weird-ass xml zips instead
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/savegame
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/savegame/data/common_patch.zip
19:08 < SupSuper> my god
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> has a couple of examples of stuff that's changed
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> adding the doodads (no idea how the data for that sort of stuff is stored in the original)
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> and the 'fixed' attribute for Facilities
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> and their capacity type
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> everything else (so far) is extractable
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> and when I've finished the extractors I intend to check-in the .zip result of that
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/difficulty1.zip
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> That's a work-in-progress of the 'base' file that will patch
19:10 < SupSuper> do we have to work in zips though :p
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> still not complete (no city, no 'live' vehicles, no bases)
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> No, I just found it easier to package together
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> If you have a dir of the same name (minus '.zip') it'll behave the same
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> eventually...
19:12 < SupSuper> ok so what does this mean for me? did all my stuff break since it was all done manually? :p
19:12 < SupSuper> although extracting the base layouts would probably be less error-prone...
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/savegame/tools/extractors/extract_facilities.cpp
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> that replaces most of your manual xml work
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> but as I said, I expect to check-in the 'result' of those extractors (when they're finished)
19:13 < SupSuper> no i mean the corridor stuff
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> so they won't be part of the 'normal user' build
19:13 < SupSuper> also remember some facilities are unused ;)
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc_Data/blob/master/extractors/extract_baselayout.cpp
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Not yet pulled forward to my serialization branch, but the data is accessible
19:14 < SupSuper> alrighty then, looks like you got everything covered :)
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> You'll have a patch that matches up building->/which/ of the layouts it is though
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> like <buildings><entry><key>BUILDING_SOMEONES_TOWER</key><value><baselayout>BASELAYOUT_5</baselayout></value></entry></buildings>
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19:31 < SupSuper> i forget what i was doing with apoc. do you remember?
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> not really -_-
19:32 < SupSuper> welp
19:32 < SupSuper> the less i can do the more i wanna do
19:32 < SupSuper> i play xcom2 and i keep going "man there's so many quality of life mods i could do if i had the time to get into it"
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm happy with the caps-lock-magic-skip-loading 'fix' :P
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Hopefully I'll finish my state re-work this weekend
19:35 < SupSuper> it just freezes the game for me :< i wish i could put it on my SSD
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> and them move onto the next shiny
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> My branch doesn't actually worht without passing cmdline arguments at the moment :)
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> --extract-data should pull out the data, create the 'initial' state .zips, then quit
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> but currently the 'game' itself isn't working
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19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm... msvc 2013 doesn't like my templates...
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> 2015 seems to have fixed it... maybe time to updatE?
19:49 < SupSuper> sure why not :p
19:50 < SupSuper> then you can have... uh... binary literals!?
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> constexpr, better SFINAE template substitution, noexcept
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I probably could fixup my crc and serialize tree to help, but meh...
19:55 < SupSuper> why do a compiler's work :p
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> bah, the sdl2 nuget package doesn't work...
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> damned binary dependencies...
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> But it compiles at least, just fails to link that
19:59 < SupSuper> i guess it hasn't updated yet?
19:59 < SupSuper> this is why i don't like package managers :p
20:00 < SupSuper> granted the nuget package is basically just sdl2-win32.zip
20:01 < SupSuper> so you can just grab that and update it while this is basically a one-man team
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> nuget for boost adds the .cpp and the required steps to build, which is nice
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> and being integrated into msvc clearly they could have a "COMPILER_VERSION=msvc2013only" in the package metadata somehwere or something...
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, so that crashes...
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> as sp<something> = nullptr;
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> then if (ptr) returns /true/...
20:29 < SupSuper> lolwut
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> the debugger says sp<whatever> is 'empty' 
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> that calls a function that takes 'const sp<whatever> &ptr'
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> the debugger in /that/ stack sys the ptr is non-empty but has crazy values
20:30 < SupSuper> oh did you try building a facility? that's broken :p
20:31 < SupSuper> or is it just some const goofiness
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> No, this is just a test that does "state = loadGame(); saveGame(state);"
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> not even ran a Stage yet :P
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> hooked straight into main()
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Move some stuff around and it magically stops breaking...
21:00 < SupSuper> memory!
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21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> It works 110%$ on gcc with -fsanitize
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> That's the gold standard as far as I'm concerned...
21:27 < SupSuper> https://lists.debian.org/debian-apache/2016/02/msg00004.html i wonder if this is for real
21:28 < SupSuper> everyone involved seems to have very broken english :p
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, it's to the wrong list...
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> And to be honest, they already have a number of package managers (msi, nuget)
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> surely fixing them would be more sane than starting again again?
21:32 < SupSuper> yeah it's more of a maintainer problem than a manager problem
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> though I would say having to have a differently named version for a different compiler in nuget is kinda broken
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Having the 'current compiler toolchain' in the metadata and autoselected would solve that pretty easily, right?
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> OR a way of adding multiple different libs to the same package and selecting which is used on the version...
21:35 < SupSuper> i guess it comes from nuget being born with .net where none of that is an issue and it works splendidly :p
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Possibly solved going forward by c++ modules?
21:36 <@JonnyH`Work> And it broke from 1.1 to 2.0 IIRC, but since then it's been good
21:36 < SupSuper> that's like pretending java before 5 existed :p
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> When it clearly didn't - java was started at version 1.6 (for some weird reason)
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> which clearly shows how sun copied c#
21:38 < SupSuper> i wonder when did 1.x become unappealing
21:39 < SupSuper> now things go from 1 to 20 in a month
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Chrome started the whole 'version 40! Clearly better than version 2.3!' trend
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> and for java's perspective I see how 1.x could be considered a 'minor, compatible' update, which they clearly were not
21:40 < SupSuper> when was the last time an update was compatible :p
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I once successfully loaded a document created in office 2008 in office 2010
21:44 < SupSuper> :o
21:44 < SupSuper> was it blank?
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I know, I was surprised too
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Normally you get at least one diagram that decides to explode
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Or expands the font to fit a single letter each page or something...
21:46 < SupSuper> it's a wonder embedded office content worked at all given its history
21:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Especially as the office 'format' is just a memcpy() of the structs out of memory :P
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> my CI builds seem to have exploded too...
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22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> FFS appveyor...
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> MSBuild auto-detection: using msbuild version '14.0' from 'C:\Program Files (x86)\MSBuild\14.0\bin'.
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> C:\Program Files (x86)\MSBuild\12.0\Bin\MSBuild.exe"
22:20 < SupSuper> lol
22:20 < SupSuper> they did say it's beta!
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> beta != won't even try to work
22:21 < SupSuper> != more like :=
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00:56 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm, with the sanitize options on it takes ~23gb ram to run a full serialize in/patch/out/in/out/diff for all difficulties
00:56 <@JonnyH`Work> or ~20mb with sanitize off...
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12:28 < Kaljakoppa> XCOM 2 completed
12:28 < Kaljakoppa> Now waiting for OpenApoc more inpatiently again :)
13:14 < Pawlac> did you made the earth great again
13:38 < Kaljakoppa> Saved it
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15:31 < makusss> huhu
15:32 < makusss> Hi Jonny so what we deside?)
15:39 < makusss> im add domain on my host and have dns
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16:27 <@JonnyH> Hey
16:27 < SupSuper> heya
16:59 < makusss> hi all
16:59 < makusss> i write before : Hi Jonny so what we deside?)
17:00 <@JonnyH> About the web stuff? I haven't really thought or discussed it
17:01 < makusss> so mb we just spend some little time ?  and then process will be strated
17:01 < makusss> started
17:02 < makusss> bether organization of web stuff bring some traffic thats for sure
17:03 < makusss> and I did not always have time for this
17:04 < makusss> now i have so that why I'm in a hurry
17:10 <@JonnyH> I'm sorry, but I'm not in a position to go one way or the other
17:10 <@JonnyH> and likely won't have time to look it into soon either
17:12 < makusss> in short all do not care
17:13 <@JonnyH> Yes, from that point of view I don't really care enough to put something aside to make time
17:13 < makusss> ok i heard you
17:13 < makusss> ии
17:13 < makusss> bb
17:13 < makusss> n gl all
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17:13 <@JonnyH> Whelp...
17:16 < SupSuper> marketers :p
17:18 < SupSuper> but you're right, that's more pmprog's business anyways as it's his host
17:18 <@JonnyH> And, nicest will in the world, if there's a limit to his time today, it'll likely be limited tomorrow when we need something fixed :P
17:18 < SupSuper> usually when i got people like that i went "sure, go ahead!" and then they lost interest and never heard from them again
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13:04 < smoke_fumus> gonna stream some x-com apocalypse https://www.twitch.tv/smoke_th
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16:06 < Pawlac> wew
16:06 < JonnyH`Work> ?
16:10 < Pawlac> nuffin
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11:24 < Pawlac> hmm
11:24 < Pawlac> was it even possible at all on regular make (not cmake) to change the install directory?
11:25 < Pawlac> on Cmake there is -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX
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15:21 < JonnyH`Away> Pawlac: 'make' is lower level, it doesn't have the concept of an 'install' step
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15:22 < JonnyH> it's up to the creator of the makefile to add an 'install' target themselves, and whatever options they gave it would be set by them
15:22 < JonnyH> So no, no standard way
15:24 < Pawlac> oh, alright
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18:34 <@pmprog> Morning
18:34 < Pawlac> hi
18:35 <@JonnyH> Hola
18:35 <@JonnyH> How's things?
18:36 <@pmprog> Hi Pawlac and JonnyH
18:36 <@pmprog> Not bad, thanks. Been a busy week. How's things with you?
18:37 <@JonnyH> kinda weird, doing 'restructuring' at work...
18:37 <@JonnyH> But personally pretty good :)
18:38 <@JonnyH> Booking holiday back to the UK as it seems half my uni friends are getting married - probably about the 'right' age for that...
18:38 <@pmprog> Hope work works out
18:39 <@JonnyH> I'm alright, but it's not particularly pleasant for some though..
18:39 <@pmprog> Glad to hear... Over the last couple of years we've have several rounds of redundancies, so know what it's like
18:40 <@JonnyH> Anyway, I also manged to get some openapoc time last weekend
18:40 <@pmprog> Nice
18:40 <@JonnyH> I've been redoing a lot of the state data storage for saved games & serialization
18:40 <@JonnyH> and pulling the 'data importers' into the main tree
18:40 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/savegame
18:40 <@JonnyH> work in progress there
18:40 <@JonnyH> Hopefully 'finish' that this weekend? MAybe?
18:41 <@pmprog> Cool
18:41 <@JonnyH> and I've tried to make the 'initial state' rules backend onto the same thing
18:41 <@JonnyH> so a 'new game' is like loading a 'golden' saved game
18:42 <@JonnyH> then an extra pass to add the initial random state etc .
18:42 <@JonnyH> and it also allows you to overlay 'patches' into the same state
18:42 <@JonnyH> (IE mods :D)
18:43 <@JonnyH> I'm currently using it for 'patches' on top of the generated data too
18:43 <@JonnyH> for stuff we don't extract, or fix (like there are a couple of 'wrong' tiles, like grass in the middle of the wall, or a sewerage works being marked as owned by 'xcom') in the original
18:44 <@JonnyH> Though being busy with the vk release I didn't managed to do a feb progress video like I said I would...
18:47 <@pmprog> You want to allow adding mods to a save game? Seems the opposite of what you'd want to do IMO
18:47 <@JonnyH> I mean a 'mod' is like a sparse 'savegame'
18:47 <@JonnyH> just modifying some values
18:49 <@pmprog> Well, one of the things I thought was off about openXcom is that if you installed a mod, any savegame you load also has that mod - but this can totally alter the game. So I was thinking if mods were tied to the save game, you can then start two different games using different mods without them interfering with each other
18:50 <@JonnyH> that should work with this sytem
18:50 <@JonnyH> my 'initial' gamestate is the union of the (initial state, patches, mods)
18:50 <@JonnyH> and the *whole* gamestate is serialized out as a savegame, so implicitly includes the mod state
18:50 <@JonnyH> so the 'mod' is only used to alter the inital GameState
18:50 <@pmprog> Ah, sounds good then
18:51 <@JonnyH> So 'mods' like adding a vehicle or item would be pretty simple
18:51 <@pmprog> Right, need to go pick up the wife and child. I'll be back soon
18:51 <@JonnyH> o7
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19:04 < Skin36_> HI
19:04 <@JonnyH> Hi Skin36_ 
19:05 < Skin36_> finished translation into Portuguese, it is necessary to add it to the release
19:07 < SupSuper> it better be good :p
19:07 < Skin36_> the problem is that not all glyphs present in the original font, it is necessary to draw a universal font, I think
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19:14 <@JonnyH> *hopefully* if you add it to the transifex project
19:14 <@JonnyH> I can re-run the msgfmt make target (if you don't have a linux pc with cmake & gettext installed) and it should Just Work (tm)?
19:15 < Skin36_> Portuguese translation already added
19:17 <@JonnyH> pt_BR - sorry SupSuper
19:20 <@JonnyH> looks like 'pt_BR' and 'uk' have been added?
19:20 < SupSuper> :<
19:21 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: It's OK, I die a little each time every time I click a US flag for 'english'
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19:22 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v2Ddd
19:22 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 261c2d9 Jonathan Hamilton: Add 'uk' and 'pt_BR' translations
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19:22 < SupSuper> aren't you in the US? :p
19:22 <@JonnyH> Only in body
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19:26 < SupSuper> so your spirit lives on?
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19:28 < Skin36_>  pt_BR yep
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, thanks for managing the translations Skin36_ , it's really helpful
19:29 < Skin36_> Anyway we need font )
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> (As part of my savegame work, I'll be tagging 'translateable' strings in the xml, so hopefully we'll have a way of 'extracting' the sources soon(ish))
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, fonts from different sources was on my todo list too... Too many things to do!
19:31 <@pmprog> <JonnyH> SupSuper: It's OK, I die a little each time every time I click a US flag for 'english' --- Same here
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> One of my housemates once went on a 2 hour long rant once, as he was french and apparently had to click a *canadian* flag
19:35 < Skin36_> JonnyH`Work I'm talking about how to draw the font with extra characters (such as �á, Ââ, Ãã, Àà, Çç, Éé, Êê, �í, Óó, Ôô, Õõ, Úú)
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Currently, you'll have to append the bitmap to the end of the font .dat file
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> and add a corresponding entry to the data/languagages/FONTNAME.xml file
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> currently all font characters must be in the same file
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll probably change that at somepoint
19:36 < SupSuper> you can probably ttf everything but the bigfont
19:37 < Skin36_> I know we have made the same font for Russian language
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> If it's a superset of the original font file (IE not replacing any chars, just adding new ones at the end)
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> we could import that today
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> OTherwise it'll take (some) work
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Yes, I believe the BIGFONT is the only one with more than a 'single' colour
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> so an altialiased ttf would be a good replacement
19:39 <@pmprog> Got to go... laters
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19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure if ttf supports stuff like multiple colours...
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Can't see anything in the sdl_ttf api at least
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> (which we'll probably use for rendering)
19:40 < SupSuper> not out of the box no, you'd have to use the text as a mask for a texture or something
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> OR have 2 fonts 'overlayed' or something equally nasty :P
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> brb lunch
19:41 < Skin36_> kk
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21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> :( At least one of my mates is being made redundent at work
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> It's kinda weird being around a load of people worrying about their job having been told I'm explicitly OK...
21:36 < Pawlac> huehuehuehue
21:38 < Pawlac> because soon the company will do some serious job offshoring... or instead hiring a few indians where you get told to either train them for a few months (with payment) leave the job entirely
21:38 < Pawlac> top cuck
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> We're having inshoring - we're shrinking our non-core office :)
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16:49 < Skin36_> hi
16:49 <@JonnyH> hey
16:54 < Skin36_> we want to draw the extended Latin, Cyrillic extended, the Greek language, as in the OXC
16:54 < Skin36_> font*
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16:59 <@JonnyH> OK? How do you want to draw them?
17:00 <@JonnyH> As in what's the 'easiest' format for you?
17:00 <@JonnyH> a image file?
17:01 < Skin36> like in original,binary
17:01 <@JonnyH> OK, you should be able  to do that today
17:01 <@JonnyH> e.g. in 'smallfont' each glyph is 15x14
17:02 <@JonnyH> and each pixel is a single byte, so adding the new char should be as simple as assing the 210 bytes to the end of the file
17:03 <@JonnyH> and adding a <glyph string="**UTF8 CHARACTER**" offset="next integer (will be 128)" />
17:03 <@JonnyH> to data/language/SMALFONT.XML
17:03 < Skin36> because the font in the game changes color blue, turquoise, green. So it will be easier to do so.
17:04 <@JonnyH> Yeah, even if you do it as an 'image' file
17:04 <@JonnyH> it'll probably re-colour it anyway, so the only look if a pixel is 'transparent' or not, and ignore the actual colour in the file...
17:07 <@JonnyH> Though I expect it'll be easier for an artist to use a 'normal' image editor to draw the fonts, instead of having to write bytes in a hex editor...
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17:07 < Skin36> you can change the color, if it is 'image' file ?then maybe it makes sense to just make a normal image?
17:08 < Skin36> we think the same)))
17:29 < Skin36> In fact, raw format open as a image, and working with them is no different than any other image
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17:36 < Think> Hello, anyone here?
17:37 < Skin36> yep
17:37 < Think> Hello Skin
17:37 < Skin36> hi Think
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18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> You could make it so the image is only 2 colours (black & white)
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> andything between them would just be clamped to whichever is closest
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18:28 < Think> You still here Skin?
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure Think
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18:46 < Skin36> im here always )
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18:57 < Think> Two Solarius' at once? I can't handle this many modders!
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18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> I know, one is bad enough ;)
18:58 < Think> Exactly :3 How's work going Jonny ol' boy?
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Alright
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Unfortunately don't get paid to work on openapoc, so not perfect
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18:59 < Think> Yeah, that is too bad.
18:59 < Think> I wonder if there would be a large enough Apocalypse community to fund you guys...
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, I'm not interested in funding, both from a legal perspective (making money suddenly makes it less 'amateur')
18:59 < Think> I mean, you could be your own X-Com project, scrapping money off the boots of nations world wide
19:00 < Think> That's true
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> and It's my "fun" project with no deadlines, having people putting money in would change that
19:00 < Think> Hey look, one Solarius!
19:00 < Think> I understand that, pressure can be hard
19:00 < Think> I appreciate you just taking some time to talk and type with me.
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Plus an IRC client is easier to have in the corner at work than a half-completed computer game :P
19:02 < Think> If I knew how to code or do anything remotely that technical, I would be onboard with you guys
19:02 < Think> xD That's true too
19:04 < Think> Just seeing you actively communicating instills confidence I think
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, the last couple of months have been rather busy at work
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and the 'current' project is saved game & serialization
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> which is a lot of 'structural' work without much 'shiny' visible changes :P
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19:09 < Think> Well, you can't have your shiny's without your structure
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, being able to save a game is kinda  big deal :P
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> brb
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19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Just rebooted with a bit more ram :D
19:13 < Think_> And I mispelled my name, great
19:13 < Think_> We now have "Think" and "Think_"
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, you're in the same thing SolariusScorch was earlier
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> you'll have to wait for your old username to timeout before the server realises you closed that web browser window before you can use the same name
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19:14 < SupSuper> if you registered that wouldn't be an issue :p
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Same issue, but you can 'kick' the old name :)
19:15 < SupSuper> exactly! 80s solutions!
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> IRC was designed for systems where having a constantly 'alive' connection was Very Wasteful
19:16 < Think_> Quite...
19:17 < Think_> Nice to see you here too SupSuper!
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19:21 < SupSuper> oh hey a new face :)
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> "The Think Tank" on the forums?
19:23 < Think_> I guess so, I have been a ghost (*whoooooo*) on OpenXcom, and heavily modified the game to suit my needs :3
19:23 < Think_> Yep, that's me...
19:24 < SupSuper> spooky
19:24 < Think_> Very
19:25 < Think_> I love the Original X-Com
19:25 < Think_> and X-Com: Apocalypse
19:31 < SupSuper> sounds like an ideal candidate to me
19:33 < SupSuper> apoc got brought up in a recent interview with jake solomon: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/02/25/making-of-xcom-2/3/
19:33 < Think_> I remember that, actually
19:34 < Think_> I loved Apocalypse more than the original, an impossible feat considering I grew up on the original
19:34 < Think_> I have been experimenting a lot with modding the Vanilla version of the game
19:35 < SupSuper> it's funny seeing how differently people can feel over tftd/apoc
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> My first xcom was tftd :P
19:35 < Think_> Yeah...
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> I didn't play the original until ~5 years ago or so
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> The 'early-mid' game of apoc is probably my favourite
19:36 < Think_> I played the original when I 4 years old, no joke
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> but after that is gets quickly kinda dull and same-y...
19:37 < Think_> of course, I quit the game at first cause I couldn't read anything it said
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I completed tftd on medium when I was ~10
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably skewed my perspective of 'game difficulty' permanantly
19:37 < Think_> Yeah, no doubt
19:38 < Think_> I played TFTD, got rekt and was like "welp, I'm done"
19:38 < Think_> Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed TFTD
19:38 < Think_> but I liked the original take on the series Apocalypse put forth
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> I feel the tone of apoc was kinda haphazard
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> like there were 2 different ideas that conflicted and they tried to go for both...
19:39 < Think_> Yeah, that is true
19:39 < SupSuper> i'll admit i hold alec's opinion that tftd's setting sold me more than ufo's
19:39 < SupSuper> but i also played tftd first so i'm forever tainted :p
19:39 < Think_> As am I
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Like 50's white picket fences aesthetic with Dystopian Near-Future Megacity
19:39 < Think_> But to each their own, right?
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I feel to 'get' ufo's setting you need to be a B-movie buff
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> while 'creepy things from under the sea' seems a bit more universal
19:40 < Think_> Well, that's why it was 2nd to Apocalypse for me
19:40 < Think_> but mods put it back at a tie
19:41 < SupSuper> well ufo's aliens are definitely more memorable. and pronouncable :p
19:41 < SupSuper> but the maps, the music, the graphics, were much more varied and resonated with me better, even if they were often to the detriment of the gameplay
19:41 < Think_> I liked Apocalypse because... 1. Retro-future style 2. RTS/TBS combat 3. Improved vehicle combat with greater diversity 4. Factions 5. Destruction 6. Politics 7. Music
19:41 < Think_> I can see
19:41 < Think_> that
19:42 < SupSuper> apocalypse was just... ok. it's different. i'm ok with that. hell i kinda liked interceptor :p i'm very easy-going
19:42 < Think_> I enjoyed Interceptor as well
19:42 < Think_> I feel like I am the only one though :P
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I don't get the hate interceptor seems to get
19:42 < Think_> Disliked Enforcer
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> It was very average, but fun enough
19:42 < SupSuper> well it came out next to freespace
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Enforcer was Bad though...
19:42 < SupSuper> so uh
19:43 < SupSuper> rip
19:43 < SupSuper> also cheesy humour falls flat for a lot of people
19:43 < Think_> I personally think Apocalypse's early game was really, really good. But that's my opinion. :L
19:43 < SupSuper> but i wasn't a big space buff so i enjoyed it for being "x-com with spaceships"
19:43 < Think_> Yes, Zee Germanz Scientizt!
19:44 < SupSuper> and reading the interviews and development histories make me really sympathize with them
19:44 < Think_> He was like a Dr. Stranglove rip-off :P
19:44 < Think_> Yeah, not playing any other space sims I found Interceptor quite fun
19:44 < SupSuper> it was all very intentional: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMdqkvO3wE
19:44 < SupSuper> though if you had pirated copies you probably missed out :p
19:45 < Think_> Nah, I got the Steam version
19:45 < Think_> I got the entire series on Steam for pre-ordering XCOM: Enemy Unknown
19:45 < Think_> Nice deal, in my opinion
19:46 < SupSuper> also still the best game credits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MHyqpWWYgA
19:46 < SupSuper> you can tell they had fun at least, shame that sort of stuff doesn't fly anymore
19:47 < Think_> Well, there are at least some original credits left...
19:47 < Think_> But they are few and far in between
19:48 < SupSuper> second best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9nYt1U2qWY
19:49 < Think_> Nah
19:49 < Think_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJK_oB6Wm8U
19:49 < Think_> This is better IMO :3
19:49 < SupSuper> ohhhhhhhhh
19:49 < SupSuper> totally forgot
19:50 < Think_> You played SC II?!
19:50 < Think_> That game, along with X-Com 1 & 3 was my childhood :3
19:50 < SupSuper> of course
19:50 < SupSuper> can't remember if i ever beat it though :p damn those probes were annoying
19:50 < Think_> They were
19:51 < Think_> But you could disable them
19:51 < Think_> if you went to the Slylandro
19:51 < Think_> I did that ASAP
19:51 < SupSuper> yeah but by then you pretty much had a super ship
19:51 < Think_> Eh, I just got a ton of fuel and went there
19:51 < SupSuper> also played the free remake, the voice acting is top notch :3
19:51 < SupSuper> dat fwiffo
19:52 < Think_> Sometimes I would let the Kohr-Ah come to earth and I would defend it with my decked out Vindicator
19:52 < Think_> I know!
19:52 < Think_> I played that, and the HD version
19:52 < Think_> I also got accepted into the Founder's program for the new Star Control coming in 2017
19:52 < Think_> :3
19:52 < SupSuper> nice, that's still happening?
19:52 < Think_> Yes, Star Dock is doing it
19:52 < Think_> and progress is being made
19:53 < Think_> the Early Access is this coming month
19:53 < SupSuper> stardock is such a hush-hush developer
19:53 < Think_> True
19:53 < SupSuper> i'm kinda worried
19:53 < Think_> but I have hope
19:53 < SupSuper> their stuff is usually technically ok but not really noteworthy
19:53 < Think_> expectations low but hopes high
19:53 < Think_> They have made some really good games lately
19:53 < Think_> Well, I will talk with you in about an hour.
19:53 < Think_> Talk to you all later, thanks for this opportunity.
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20:00 < SupSuper> will we actually get another coder? :o
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> We can hope
20:09 < Pawlac_1> for only 1,000 credits
20:09 < Pawlac_1> trust me
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20:51 < Think> And I think I may be back.
20:52 < Think> I am brain dead, so I cannot tell
20:52 < Think> How's work going JonnyH?
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> work-like I guess...
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Hopefuly be able to be more active on openapoc this weekend
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Then maybe soonish do another progress video
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been meaning to do voice-overs etc. for them too...
21:14 < Think> voice overs?
21:14 < Think> for what?
21:15 < Think> And I cannot wait for your next progress report :3 Best of luck to you!
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, with the progress report videos I think it would benefit from an explanation of what's new and what I'm trying to show
21:16 < Think> Ah! Got it! Of course, you could always do subtitles.
21:16 < Think> It doesn't matter much either way
21:26 < Think> Well Mr. JonnyH, I wish you the best of luck on your future endeavours! And thanks for taking all this time to talk with me, a no-name/no-face, it means a lot. :) I should be on here for another hour so if you want to discuss anything, just talk away.
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Thanks :D
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Support generally is appreciated :)
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> helps with the motivation
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> (Plus you can bug your coder friends to help out :)
21:36 < Think> Yeah, that is true, and a bug I am. Anything to help a team that has brought my dreams to truth about a moddable X-Com warrants every compliment they can get!
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21:44 < Think> Heya Skin!
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Ha, that's SupSuper and Warboy, I can't take /any/ credit for openxcom...
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--- Day changed Sun Mar 06 2016
00:04 < SupSuper> oh hey it's apoc day: http://www.twitch.tv/inmemorium
00:04 < SupSuper> for anyone that forgot how it works :p
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01:44 < Think_Tank> Sup, Sup
01:46 < Think_Tank> Super, you there?
01:47 < SupSuper> yeah just watching a stream
01:49 < Think_Tank> From who?
01:51 < SupSuper> http://www.twitch.tv/inmemorium he was playing apoc earlier, now he's playing a 40k game
02:01 < Colombo1> man that guy is terrible in apoc
02:01 < Colombo1> Although I never really liked turn-base so I played on realtime
02:01 < Colombo1> because of brainsuckers
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02:06 < SupSuper> same
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02:55 < Thinker_Tanker> Well, I am back, what's new
02:55 < Thinker_Tanker> ?*
02:56 < SupSuper> he's playing enforcer now
02:56 < SupSuper> rip our sanity
02:58 < Thinker_Tanker> *shudder*
02:58 < Thinker_Tanker> Never even got it working on my PC :P
02:58 < Thinker_Tanker> Who is this Streamer though?
02:59 < SupSuper> just... a guy? randomly found him on twitch
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02:57 < Think> Hello Jonny!
03:25 < Think> How is everyone?
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15:48 < Skin36> hi
15:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Hey
15:51 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW I tried to look in how facility data is stored in apooc:
15:51 <@JonnyH`Work> my current code is here: https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/savegame/tools/extractors/common/facilities.h
15:52 <@JonnyH`Work> And I found the xcom starting funds at ufo2p.exe 0x0141470
15:52 <@JonnyH`Work> but the stuff afterwards doesn't seem to map to 'other organisation' starting funds directly
15:53 < Skin36> We started work on font. When ready, it will be possible to include it in the release
15:53 <@JonnyH`Work> cool :D
15:53 <@JonnyH`Work> If you give me either black & white images or the 'binary' format
15:53 <@JonnyH`Work> so long as it's the right size I can convert it if necessary
15:54 < Skin36> https://freeapoc.slack.com/files/kammerer/F0QQVQNR0/bigfont_extended.png
15:54 <@JonnyH`Work> apparently need to sign into slack to see that? :(
15:54 < Skin36> format like in original
15:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Converting the font files isn't hard, so don't worry about it, do whatever is easiest for you right now
15:56 < Skin36> http://f3.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNr.png
15:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks good
15:58 < Skin36> Of course, it is good to do it a professional artist in the style of the apocalypse
15:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, but 'professional' doesn't describe anything else I do
15:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Something is better than nothing right now
16:00 < Skin36> in any case, it will be tested, if something is wrong, we can correct
16:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll change it now to allow fonts from multiple sources
16:01 <@JonnyH`Work> that might make it easier
16:01 <@JonnyH`Work> (e.g. 'a-z' use bigfont.dat, 'extra chars' use extrabigfont.dat or something)
16:07 < Skin36> FACILITY_DATA ? I'll try to look at it
16:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, the header above describes the position in ufo2p.exe and what I think the struct values do
16:08 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/savegame/tools/extractors/extract_facilities.cpp
16:08 <@JonnyH`Work> that then reads that into openapoc's internal format
16:14 < Skin36> http://f5.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNs.png
16:14 < Skin36> starting funds
16:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, but the [2] fields don't look like the senate starting funds
16:15 <@JonnyH`Work> assuming [1] is aliens (and therefore zero is ok)
16:16 <@JonnyH`Work> It looks a lot closer if you shift it by 8 bits though
16:16 <@JonnyH`Work> which is really weird
16:17 < Skin36> http://f3.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNt.png
16:17 < Skin36> though here it is possible that something is wrong
16:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Dunno, but it certainly doesn't seem 'simple' for the other non-xcom organisations
16:18 < Skin36> I took the data from the Apocd, it seems
16:21 <@JonnyH`Work> If you shift it by 1 byte it could be an income for the other orgs
16:21 < Skin36> http://f6.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNu.png
16:21 <@JonnyH`Work> then there's a 'random?' extra on top? As each game start the starting funds for non-xcom are slightly different
16:21 <@JonnyH`Work> But what does that say about the other orgs?
16:22 < Skin36> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNv.png
16:23 < Skin36> http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNw.png
16:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, the coovernment have a lot more than 20k starting runds
16:24 < Skin36> http://f3.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNx.png
16:24 <@JonnyH`Work> And I believe 'funding' is related to buildings they own too
16:24 <@JonnyH`Work> If you make a building 'larger' it increases the funding
16:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe based on the building 'type'? Like a warehouse 'earns' less than the senate building? 
16:25 < Skin36> Maybe
16:26 <@JonnyH`Work> It's probably worth spending a  bit of time modifying a value, starting a 'new game' and trying to figure out the results
16:26 <@JonnyH`Work> If you can't find a nice bit of asm with ida that does everything we're trying to find here :)
16:27 < Skin36>  :)
16:29 < Skin36> im need some a few bytes for the search FACILITY_DATA
16:30 < Skin36> I have not found it in hexa.txt
16:33 <@JonnyH`Work> My ufo2p.exe: size 1702206 bytes
16:33 <@JonnyH`Work> md5sum: 2345cd4d39807fadaff36792f622466d
16:34 < Skin36> I use another exe
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> The first couple of entries are mostly zeros, so kinda hard to search for
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's:
16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> 00 00 00 00 11 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 01
16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> in hgex
16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> that only finds one place in my exe, hopefully the same for you
16:37 < Skin36> about funds: they are used only 2 functions, I think you can understand
16:41 < Skin36> http://f5.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNz.png
16:42 < Skin36> and 2
16:42 < Skin36> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNA.png
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16:53 < Skin36> 00 00 00 00 11 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 01  its wrong offset
16:53 < Skin36> there are no links
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, there's at least one record in the same struct before that
16:53 < Skin36> http://f3.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNB.png
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's just "empty tile" and "dirt"
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> and the first 4 bytes may be the 'end' of the previous struct
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> instead of the 'start' of this one
16:54 < Skin36> structure beginning slightly higher
17:00 < Skin36> its start:
17:00 < Skin36> http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNC.png
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> That makes sense
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17:05 < Think> Well hello again JonnyH
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Multi-font incoming Skin36 
17:05 < Think> How was your weekend?
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> hey there Think
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17:05 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v2hAZ
17:05 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 1ae2220 Jonathan Hamilton: Allow glyphs sources from multiple sources in a single Font definition
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17:07 < Think> How was your weekend? Productive, I hope, both personally and in your work.
17:09 <@JonnyH`Work> The past couple of weeks I've been slowly changing how all the game state is stored
17:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Big infrastructure changes, not much visible stuff...
17:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm starting to get to the point where I can finish that and move on though, which is nice :)
17:14 < Think> That sounds great, foundation work is usually the hardest
17:14 < Think> because that's where everything is sitting on top, a single mistake and the entire house of cards comes crumbling down
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Meh, we're still 'early' enough we're still building parts of the foundation
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> then realising some old bit doesn't fit with something new...
17:34 < Think> That makes sense...
17:34 < Think> Well, best of luck
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> thanks, we'll probably need it...
17:35 < Think> Yeah, even I ran into some puzzling dilemmas when I was modding the surface of the game
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> We also just need more coders
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> currently it seems to be pretty much me w/some help from SupSuper
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> and I'm kinda stuck on how to 'recruit' more...
17:38 < Think> Hmmm...I may be no coder but I am a decent marketing man, so maybe I can try my hand at recruiting some coders...
17:39 < Think> I will let you know if I can get anything
17:39 <@JonnyH`Work> cheers
17:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I've said before I want to be a code monkey, not a 'community' guy...
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I feel there was a burst of interest when we started and got some progress
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> then people realised it would be $YEARS before it's finished at this rate, and it petered off
17:41 < Think> I am perfectly fine with the time it takes, I mean, look at OpenXcom, people seem to be interested as soon as a playable Beta enters
17:41 < Think> But remember, don't be deterred
17:42 < Think> I remember when there was another Open-Source X-Com: Apocalypse project that got discontinued a few years back
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> there's been a couple over the years
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> But I think we've already surpassed all of them
17:43 < Think> So it seems
17:43 < Think> Keep it up, you guys are doing great
17:43 < Think> and by guys I mean you and a bit of Super
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Wel, pmprog actually started this
17:43 < Think> True
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> But he's been busy recently IRL, so less active
17:44 < Think> Yeah, I saw his Kickstarter post though
17:44 < Think> so it seems he isn't entirely absent
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> He sometimes sticks his head into IRC
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> even gets the code editor out sometimes :)
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but understandably less than he used to
17:45 < Think> Yep, I hope he is doing well.
17:46 < Think> My suggestion, make your project as public as possible, and ask for assistance wherever you can, it might seem vulgar at first, but trust me when I say it almost always pays off.
17:47 < Think> This is one thing I don't entirely despise Social Media for, it can take even the smallest projects and project them into the public's eye
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I should sit on the strategyfirst forums and all that
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> if only to make it 'visible'
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> ...but I find myself putting that sort of thing off in favour or crazy code ideas :P
17:49 < Think> Hmm...maybe I could help you in that regard
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe
17:49 < Think> I could make a discussion thread/advertisement for OpenApoc on StrategyCore, that seems quite active
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I was going to make a monthy 'progress report' video
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> but was so busy the last couple I didn't have a chance
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Should have more time now though
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> so when I do that I'll probably like it if people could spread links around
17:50 < Think> I would be glad to help in any way I can.
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Cheers
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll post on the forums when I have something interesting
17:51 < Think> I may not be a coder (but who knows, I could be one in the near future) but I can spread stuff around well enough.
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I've gotta run off to a meeting at work
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm more than willing to help tutor people in code... :)
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe 'Learn Code with OpenApoc' would be a decent sales pitch
17:52 < Think> Sounds catchy, let me work on that...
17:52 < Think> "Coding with OpenApoc"
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I was treating it as a "Learn crazy new c++11 features"
17:53 < Think> Yeah...
17:53 < Skin36> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNE.png
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> so I kinda worry it's not as transparent a codebase as I would have hoped
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> as I'm using stuff I'm still in the progress of understanding myself...
17:53 < Think> I think you could draw in a ton of people if you made it like "From Coding to Videogames" kind of pitch
17:53 < Think> Is that Apoc'd?
17:54 < Skin36> yep
17:54 < Think> Neat, I love that thing
17:54 < Think> Now, I will have to be going soon, but I will try to develop a decent pitch for you Jonny
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Cheers Think
17:55 < Think> thanks for the chat mate
17:55 < Think> I will also try to create a SC account, and create some publicity.
17:55 < Think> No promises, but I can try to do my little part
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18:08 < Skin36> http://f5.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNz.png
18:08 < Skin36> its seems like loud in memory
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> That for (k = 0;... stuff appears to be going over the building list?
18:09 < Skin36> in 438 struc
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> And adding a number to the income for all owned buildings?
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> 226 was the building struct size, right?
18:10 < Skin36> yes
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess orgization_struc + 0x10 is "number of owned buildings"
18:13 < Skin36> orgization_struc + 2 this is funds
18:13 < Skin36> exemple:
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> sorry, 10 decimal, not 0x10 hex -_-
18:13 < Skin36> http://f3.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNF.png
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> himm, it sets (v22 + 2) to struc_funds[].field2
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> then replace it with struc_funds[].start_funds
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Seems pointless?
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> oh no, wait, it's (_DWord*)(v22 + 2)
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> not ((DWORD*)V22)+2
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> so the +2 is in chars not dwords...
18:15 < Skin36> hm
18:16 < Skin36> Yes, these  dwords so deceptive )
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> and the (WORD*)organization_struc + 219
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> is the same as (CHAR*)organisation_struc + 438 :P
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> as sizeof(word) == 2, sizeof(char) == 1
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18:17 < Skin36> its so big struct 438 )
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess that includes the 'live' state of the organisation
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> like current relations, current alien infiltation etc.
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> that's probably in the save game, but not in the initial data
18:20 < Skin36> yes
18:21 < Skin36> http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNG.png
18:21 < Skin36> this load game
18:21 < Skin36> hm why 11826 ?
18:22 < Skin36> its all organiz ?
18:23 < Skin36> 11826/438=27
18:24 < Skin36> right
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18:41 < Skin36>   how much facility_data_t? 17 ?
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> 21?
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Earth, Corridor, Access Lift, Living Quarters, Stored, Cells (unused), Medical Bay, Training Area, Psi-Gym, Security Station, Advanced Security Station, Vehicle Repair Bay, Biochemistry Lab, Advanced Biochemistry Lab, Quantum Physics Lab, Advanced Quantum Physics Lab, Alien Containment, Advanced Alien Containment (ununsed), Workshop, Advanced Workshop
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> The first 2 are handled differently in openapoc as they're not really buildable 
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> 20 sorry
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> so we only load 18 from the file, and the start offset starts at struct[2]
18:47 < Skin36> hm
18:47 < Skin36> http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNK.png
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18:48 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v2j8H
18:48 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ea60c90 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix LogError() - pointString here is a <char32_t> string, not a char* string
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18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be that 'access list' is handled differently too (as you can't build /that/ either)
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> so 17 'normal' buildings
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> 2 of which are unused?
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19:35 < Skin36> what mean 15 and 200
19:35 < Skin36> http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNU.png
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19:41 < Skin36> hi  SupSuper
19:43 < SupSuper> hey
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> hi SupSuper 
19:45 < Skin36> I found something
19:45 < Skin36> http://f3.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNW.png
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I just changed it so you can source glyphs for fonts from any independant "image" path string
19:46 < Skin36> unknown1 seems like byte
19:46 < Skin36> image offset
19:48 < Skin36> +72
19:51 < Skin36> 72/4=18 image offset
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20:00 < Skin36_> image_offset-0...18 This offset for corridors ?
20:01 < Skin36_> http://f3.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLNY.png
20:02 < Skin36_> unknown1 This follows after offset 18
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20:10 < Think> looks like the whole crowd is here
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20:36 < Think> Hello JonnyH and SupSuper
20:36 < Think> Hello to all you other peoples too!
20:37 < SupSuper> hey
20:37 < Think> How are you Super?
20:43 < Think> Doing well, I hope
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21:25 < SupSuper> Skin36: i'm not sure what those would be used for, the baseview is pretty straightforward
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23:44 < Skin36> JonnyH`Work ?
23:44 < Think> Heya chaps, have you all seen Robin's Apocalypse mod? It seems somewhat playable right now, although I am mostly using it for resource extraction
23:44 < Think> Robin's mod is for OpenXcom btw
23:44 < Think> Heya Skin
23:45 < Skin36> hi
23:45 < Think> How are you doing?
23:45 < Skin36> nice
23:45 < SupSuper> Think: yeah Robin does some crazy work
23:47 < Think> That is no doubt
23:47 < Think> I love his armor sprites
23:47 < Think> I do wish I could sprite/mod/code...agh! It feels so bad to be so useless :p
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23:53 < Think> So how are you doing
23:53 < Think> SupSuper?
23:53 < SupSuper> alright
23:55 < Think> Well, it is nice to hear from you again, got any more awesome credit scenes?
23:56 < Think> MY contribution was SC IIs ending, your's was the X-Com: Interceptor one, I think.
23:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Sorry, missed Skin's ping, any idea what he wanted? Don't see a direct question in the log...
23:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Meh, anyway I'm off for the evening, have a good day
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00:05 < SupSuper> Think: can't think of any
00:06 < Think> I cannot either, a different random topic
00:06 < Think> ?*
00:07 < Think> Hmm...what about your favorite "new" (2010+) franchise
00:08 < SupSuper> xcom? :p
00:08 < SupSuper> let me think. new shadowrun games were cool
00:08 < Think> Uhm...entirely new IP?
00:08 < Think> Okay...hmmm...
00:11 < Think> Personally, I love the Wargame franchise, Wargame: European Escalation, Air Land Battle, and Red Dragon. They were all very fun
00:11 < SupSuper> i didn't like them as much as i expected
00:12 < Think> Which one did you play?
00:13 < Think> They are difficult to get into, because of their high learning curve, but once you get the hang of them, they are superb
00:14 < Think> Steel Panthers is also very fun, although that isn't a new IP from 2010+
00:15 < Think> What about you?
00:16 < SupSuper> i played the first wargame, not really my kind of strategy (aka i'm bad :p), more of a command&conquer sorta guy
00:17 < SupSuper> oh invisible inc, that was really good
00:17 < SupSuper> and darkest dungeon
00:18 < SupSuper> that's my scoop of turn-based strategy :p
00:27 < Think> Yeah, those are fun
00:27 < Think> And trust me, Wargame is super fun when you learn the units, stats and how to play well.
00:27 < Think> There is a new one, Wargame Red Dragon, and it still has a pretty active player base
00:28 < Think> It is worth the time I have spent on it working stuff out, if I am honest.
00:32 < Think> Any other games you like? What about some non-strategy games?
00:32 < SupSuper> platformers are good. freedom planet is cool
00:32 < Think> I personally enjoy the Early Access game Space Engineers, it is like Minecraft meets Kerbal Space Program.
00:33 < Think> I have spent more time on it then I would like to admit
00:34 < Think> Tell me about Freedom Planet
00:37 < SupSuper> it's a very sonic-like platformer
00:37 < SupSuper> gotta go fast
00:38 < Think> Hmm...
00:38 < Think> Well, hopefully its track record is better than Sonic's
00:40 < Think> Now, barring X-Com, what is your favorite series of games?
00:41 < SupSuper> sorry but i gotta go to bed, talk to you later
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00:45 < Think> See you later SupSuper
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16:01 < Skin36> hi
16:01 <@JonnyH> hey Skin36 
16:02 < Skin36> I deal with the facility data
16:03 <@JonnyH> Oh? You decoded some of the unknowns?
16:03 < Skin36> eys
16:03 < Skin36> yes
16:03 <@JonnyH> cool :D
16:04 < Skin36> http://f2.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLO9.png
16:04 < Skin36> Wait, I have not finished
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16:36 < Skin36> JonnyH`Work ?
16:38 < Skin36> where u ? (
16:38 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm technically working :)
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> but I'm still around, it just means I'll be slower responding
16:39 < Skin36> http://f5.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLOc.png
16:39 < Skin36> struct
16:40 < Skin36> I'm sorry, if distracting
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, research_flag?
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, it's useful not distracting :)
16:43 < Skin36> yes flag
16:43 < Skin36> or availability of the construction
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Does it map to anything in the research section? Like an ID of the required topic?
17:16 < Skin36> No, maybe it was the availability of construction?
17:17 < Skin36> in start
17:18 < Skin36> usage:
17:18 < Skin36> http://f5.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLOd.png
17:19 < Skin36> its 0 or 1
17:20 < Skin36> http://f2.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLOe.png
17:25 < Skin36> facilitys to 0 is not available at launch
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18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> ok, so it's a flag that says "This needs some special processing"
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> but doesn't define the processing
18:12 < Skin36> maybe
18:13 < Skin36> I just do not understand how to use image_?
18:15 < Skin36> its use image 19-22 in http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLOa.png  or image 23-26 in http://f6.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLOb.png		
18:16 < Skin36> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLOh.png
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe they have a different 'under construction' circle thing?
18:18 < Skin36> maybe, but I do not understand what these image
18:20 < Skin36> http://f3.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLOi.png
18:20 < Skin36> what mean image 19-22 or image 23-26
18:21 < Skin36> a point on the base of the scheme?
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> 25 and 26 are behind the 'number of days left' number when facilities are still under construction
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> for 1x1 and 2x2 sized facilities
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18:25 < Skin36> 23 and 24 question mark
18:26 < Skin36> 'under construction' circle thing - yes
18:27 < Skin36> We assume that we figured out?  :)
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> No idea about the question mark...
18:30 < Skin36> hm
18:30 < Skin36> why
18:30 < Skin36> 'under construction' circle thing
18:32 < Skin36> index image 1-4
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> 4 is only used for the 2x2 'large' facilities?
18:45 < Skin36> yes
18:45 < Skin36> http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLOj.png
18:46 < Skin36> image 22 or image 26
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20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper
20:16 < SupSuper> hey
20:16 < SupSuper> looks like nvidia's first drivers with vulkan have gone public
20:16 < SupSuper> as in, consumer drivers
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> They shipped a 'beta' version the day of announcement right?
20:17 < SupSuper> yeah
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Or is this 'normal' driver package, instead of finding the 'vulkan beta' manually?
20:17 < SupSuper> but now it's rolled out with 364.47
20:17 < SupSuper> standard driver update
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't wait to see how nvidia have broken a new api :P
20:18 < SupSuper> good thing nothing uses it yet :p
20:20 < SupSuper> apparently this is my vulkan: http://pastebin.com/raw/JLNSXbEg
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20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> 1.0.3? Positively ancient - we're on 1.0.5 now!
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> That's nearly a week old!
20:24 < SupSuper> :p
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21:00 < Think> Freenode uses so much battery it isn't even funny
21:00 < Think> Hello everyone!
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> irssi seems pretty easy on the battery here :P
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> But I suppose that's what I get for thinking "high graphics" is ncurses...
21:01 < Think> Hmm...this laptop isn't ideal, but it drains 1% a minute
21:01 < Think> which is absurd
21:02 < Think> How has your day been JonnyH? Enjoying work? (woop-dee-doo)
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah :P
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> 'working'...
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> (actually trying to cleanup the VehicleMission stuff to allow it to be saved out)
21:03 < Think> Shhhh...I won't tell a soul
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, it is lunch...
21:04 < Think> Okay, that makes it a bit better
21:05 < Think> Enjoy your lunch! And best of luck on the coding
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> IT's not luck, it's skill
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> *looks at the current mess*
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> not a lot of skill though...
21:06 < Think> Guess you're right, maybe one day I could help you on that *mess*
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> http://abstrusegoose.com/249
21:22 < Think> Hmm
21:23 < Think> That's...
21:23 < Think> Interesting...?
21:23 < Think> I don't know how I feel about that...
21:24 < Think> Murder...murder everywhere
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> The real question is if you go back in time to kill yourself, who would go back in time to kill yourself?
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22:19 < SupSuper> http://www.destructoid.com/don-t-install-the-newest-nvidia-driver-it-s-breaking-pcs-347362.phtml well that was fast :p
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Pff, that'll never happen to me
22:23  * JonnyH`Work looks at code I pushed yesterday that broke suspend/resume
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, never
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22:34 < Think> And I may be back
22:36 < Pawlac> hon hon hon
22:37 < Pawlac> how the fuck can nvidia fuck up so badly
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22:39 < Pawlac> this is like the 2nd time it happend
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23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I won't start laughing until there's a bit more info, some people do *weird* stuff and expect it to work
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Like we've had bugreports where someone took a driver from one device and somehow managed to get it to run on another
23:08 <@JonnyH`Work> (despite our drivers always being built for a _single_ GPU revision, which is pretty much always different for every chip we do, even if they have the same marketing name)
23:08 <@JonnyH`Work> they actually hexedited out the check that tested that and rejected it
23:08 <@JonnyH`Work> and somehow expected it to work...
23:08 < SupSuper> sometimes you just gotta be BLEEDIN EDGE
23:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean it was for a different GPU
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> really...
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> It's amazing anything worked at all
23:09 < Think> *slow claps*
23:19 < Think> and then everyone went silent
23:24 < SupSuper> irc is a very quiet channel
23:24 <@JonnyH`Work> There tends to be more 'chat' in #openxcom
23:24 <@JonnyH`Work> This channel ends up pretty much me whining about how code is hard
23:27 < Think> Eh
23:27 < Think> But it is fun to listen to you whining
23:29 <@JonnyH`Work> 'More chat' apparently doesn't include right now...
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01:21 < Think> JonnyH, are you still at work?
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01:25 < Think> Is anyone else here or is it just me?
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17:51 < Skin36> hi pmprog
17:51 <@pmprog> Hi Skin36. How's things?
17:51 < Skin36> nice )
17:51 <@pmprog> Good stuff
17:51 < Skin36> )
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18:12 < Skin36> hi JonnyH
18:12 <@JonnyH> Hey Skin36 
18:14 < Skin36> im find base layout, if it need
18:15 <@JonnyH> I found the layouts
18:15 <@JonnyH> But I haven't found the map of layouts->which buildings they're in
18:16 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/savegame/tools/extractors/common/baselayout.h
18:16 <@JonnyH> that's on my ufo2p.exe
18:16 < Skin36> http://f6.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLPz.png this ?
18:16 <@JonnyH> Yes, that
18:17 <@pmprog> Hi JonnyH
18:17 <@JonnyH> But I don't know how buildings are marked 'buyable', or how it decides which of those base layouts each uses
18:17 <@JonnyH> Hey pmprog!
18:17 <@JonnyH> Hows things?
18:17 <@pmprog> Meh, so-so. How's you?
18:17 <@JonnyH> Meh, so-so - still a bit weird at work
18:19 <@JonnyH> some..rather difficult things WRT my current visa too
18:19 <@JonnyH> not great then :(
18:21 <@pmprog> Oh dear :( What's happening with the visa?
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18:21 <@JonnyH> Effectively my contract says they'll apply for a slightly different one
18:21 <@JonnyH> and they haven't
18:21 <@JonnyH> and my current one expires next wear
18:21 <@JonnyH> *year
18:22 <@JonnyH> and it's nearing the time it takes to process a visa / green card chance before my current one expires
18:26 <@pmprog> :(
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18:34 < Skin36> 	I found something interesting
18:36 < Skin36> im found this map:
18:36 < Skin36> http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLPB.png
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18:47 <@JonnyH> Skin36: You found the colours that uses or something?
18:48 <@JonnyH> I think supsuper was looking at that but not sure how far he got...
18:50 < Skin36> yes
18:50 < Skin36> im mark it in zero
18:50 < Skin36> http://f6.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLPC.png
18:51 < Skin36> not all
18:52 <@JonnyH> hmm... Not sure what I'm looking at there?
18:52 < Skin36> black minimap
18:52 <@JonnyH> waht did you 'set to zero' to get that?
18:54 < Skin36> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLPD.png
18:54 < Skin36> after facility_data_t
18:55 <@JonnyH> So that's the chunk after the facility table? Interesting :)
18:55 <@JonnyH> Right, I've gotta go for a bit, sorry
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18:56 < Skin36> (
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19:27 < Think> Hello pmprog and JonnyH!
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19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Hi Think
19:29 < Think> You just got to work Jonny?
19:30 < Skin36> he return !
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah :P
19:31 < Think> Well, hopefully it goes by fast, nothing is worse than a long work day :p
19:31 < Skin36> yes im find it !
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> It's alright if you're doing fun stuff :D
19:31 < Skin36> 957 like city tiles
19:31 < Think> That's true!
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Skin36: 957 entries in the minimap-colour table you mean?
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Makes sense
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume there isn't an equivalent for the alien dimension tiles
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> (as there's no base screen there to see a minimap on :)
19:32 < Skin36> http://f2.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLPE.png
19:32 < Think> Huh...
19:32 < Think> That is most peculiar...
19:33 < Skin36> yes 957 for minimap
19:33 < Think> But as always it is nice to hear from you again, Jonny :D
19:33 < Think> and you too Skin :)
19:33 < Skin36> )
19:35 < Skin36> and im have formula? if need
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19:38 < Think> Hey Nadir!
19:38 < Think> Jumping over already?
19:38 < nadir> \o
19:38 < nadir> Back to work
19:39 < Think> "work"?
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21:02 < Think> Hello again!
21:03 < Think> Super, JonnyH and pmprog, oh my! The whole gang is here!
21:04 < SupSuper> it probably won't last
21:04 < Think> Probably...
21:05 < Think> But we are all here for the moment
21:05 < Think> So how has your day been going SupSuper?
21:05 < SupSuper> tiring
21:06 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: "Added Steam Overlay support for games using the Vulkan graphics API" what games are these :>
21:07 < Think> Uhm...
21:07 < Think> I haven't a clue
21:08 < Think> Looks like The Division uses the Vulkan Graphics API
21:08 < Think> but I wouldn't bet on that...
21:10 < Pawlac> nice line simulator game
21:11 <@pmprog> Hi Think
21:11 <@pmprog> Hi SupSuper
21:11 <@pmprog> Yeah, it's past my bed time
21:11 < Think> The pmprog is awake!
21:11 <@pmprog> Barely
21:11 < Think> True...
21:11 < Think> It is nice to finally meet you
21:12 < Think> even if it is over a cruddy chat box
21:12 <@pmprog> :-)
21:12 < Think> How late is it for you?
21:12 <@pmprog> I'm sure it's not really that exciting to meet me really...
21:13 <@pmprog> It's 9:15pm
21:13 < Think> Truth be told, while SupSuper and JonnyH have argued with me I too think that X-Com: Apocalypse is my favorite in the series
21:14 < Think> So to see someone with a passion to bring it back has my 110% support
21:15 < Think> But let me just let you know, there is an entire community of people (tons that I know) who love what you are doing, but lack the skills or time to help.
21:15 <@pmprog> Not sure I'm really that guy any more
21:16 < Think> You were the guy who initialized the entire project.
21:16 < Think> That is warrant enough if there ever was need for any
21:16 <@pmprog> True, but I've barely touched it in the past year
21:17 < Think> Life gets in the way, that is known, but still keeping to it and talking to the community even if on a rare occurrence shows dedication to the community, and I thank you for that,
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: IIRC the talos principle has a beta version on steam with a vk backend
21:17 < Think> I think that is true...
21:17 < Pawlac> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSSkz6iDPvM huehuehue
21:18 < Think> Ubisoft kept on "inviting" me into their Beta because I beta'd for a lot of other games but truth be told I really am not interested in The Division
21:19 < Pawlac> do it anyway and tell them how ubisoft is a stinking pile of garbage
21:19 < Think> Eh...it costs money though
21:19 < Pawlac> What a shame.
21:19 < Think> Money I am saving for a Founders Program
21:19 < Skin36> hi SupSuper
21:20 <@pmprog> I installed that uPlay so I could buy/play one of the Trials games... Next thing I know there's fraud on my credit card... I no longer use uPlay... I miss Trials, but that's the price I pay
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21:21 < Think> Hello Skin! Back with us again?
21:21 < Skin36> hi SupSuper
21:21 < Think> Yeah, I have had a bad experience with uPlay
21:21 < Skin36> hello Think
21:22 < Think> It is nice to see everyone here!
21:24 < Think> I have had a decent experience with Betas so far...
21:24 < Think> But I have dealt with some bad ones too...
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Bah, we have to pay our testers...
21:26 < Think> Who needs money? I just test in my cardboard home with my 1997 PC!
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21:30 <@pmprog> Right, I'm off to bed. Good night
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21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> night
21:31 < Think> Good night!
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23:44 < Think_> Hello SupSuper!
23:45 < Think_> and JonnyH...(but no one likes him, am I right?)
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00:37 < Think> Hello everyone.
00:37 <@JonnyH`Work> hey again
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00:37 <@JonnyH`Work> About an hour ago someone linked me to tvtropes...
00:37 < Think> How are you Jonny?
00:37 <@JonnyH`Work> That website is like a virus
00:38 < Think> Which one?
00:38 < Think> Ah
00:38 < Think> I see
00:38 <@JonnyH`Work> tvtropes - you end up reading all kinda of crazy stuff :)
00:38 < Think> I must be blind, sorry
00:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Today's lesson is on 'zeerust' :P
00:38 < Think> Uh-oh
00:39 < Think> Hey! I could give a lesson on Cold War armor if anyone...is...interested? No? No one is interested? Not even a little? Okay
00:40 < nadir> Armour lecture pls
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00:41 < Think> Do you really want an armor lecture?
00:41 <@JonnyH`Work>  Look up composite 'chobham' armour for an interesting education on energy transfer
00:41 < nadir> I'll pretend to listen while playing Stars
00:42 < Think> I know all about Chobham, which really is a modified Burlington composite
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00:44 < Think> So, what's today's topic?
00:44 < Think> Cold War?
00:45 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC 'Burlington' was just a nickname for the smae thing?
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00:47 < Think> Not really
00:47 < Think> Burlington was the original composite
00:47 < Pawlac> remove mechas from premise
00:47 < Think> was formed from the lessons learned from Steelbrew
00:48 < Think> Which was a composite of sorts on the Chieftain Mk. 5 tank
00:48 < Think> So should I give my lesson?
00:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Clearly my knowledge of 1970s tank developments is lacking :P
00:48 < Pawlac> whats the best way to destroy a mech?
00:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure how much attention I can give though
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00:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Pawlac: Nearly anything, mechs aren't a 'good' design
00:49 < Think> Shoot the leg
00:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Doesn't stop them being cool though
00:49 < Think> boom
00:49 < Think> it ded
00:49 < Think> Okay, here we go...
00:49 < Pawlac> alright, great. Let's bring in some baneblades then
00:50 < Think> After WWII the primary tanks that were available to the allied forces were the M26, the Centurion and the T-34-85
00:50 < Think> But during the 50s there was a great change in the kind of tanks that were fielded
00:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, baneblades are too big to be useful too, a pile of MBTs for the same cost would be more effective
00:51 < Pawlac> What a shame. Let's bring then Bolo MK33 instead.
00:52 < Think> first there was the M46/M47 Patton, an American tank armed with a 90mm cannon and decent armor and mobility. The next tank was the Centurion, still used by the British and many Scandi nations it was armed with a 90-ish mm gun as well, and the West-Germans at this point got their hands on some American M46s due to exports. But the USSR had the most advanced tank of the time, the T-54/T-55 tank, which had superior armor, mobility and 
00:53 < Pawlac> firepower?
00:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Strategic vodka reserves?
00:53 < Pawlac> and sausages
00:53 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, that's the western german refitted M46s
00:56 < Think> In the 1960s we see many interesting design changes, first off we have the Americans with their slightly modified-I mean brand new M48 Patton, armed with the same 90mm cannon, the French at this time developed their own AMX-30 series tank, but that was more of a light tank than anything else, the Germans still had their modified M46s and M48s (specifically the M48A3G1) but they had also developed their very own Leopard 1, armed with
00:57 < Think> their Chieftain Mk. 2, which was armed with a 120mm cannon and had the best armor out of all the tanks of its period, it really did strike fear in USSR's cold heart, the USSR themselves still had their T-55s but had developed the new T-62 to counter the Chieftain series, this led to the USA designing the M60 and M48A5 Pattons, both armed with a Royal Ordinance L7 (M68 in America) and had good mobility, armor and the best FCS of any 
00:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Think: I don't know if youre aware irc cuts off lines over ~435 chars
00:58 < Think> Chars?
00:58 <@JonnyH`Work> characters
00:58 < Think> I know :P
00:58 < Pawlac> so the leopard had a 10mm gun? huehueheu
00:58 < Think> 105mm
00:59 <@JonnyH`Work> and the Leopard 1 was awmed with a Chiefain Mk.2
00:59 < Think> >:-(
00:59 < Think> AGH
00:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Firing tanks at things is a bit audatious
00:59 < Pawlac> well it has atleast sufficient dakka
01:00 < Pawlac> no wait, there is never enough dakka
01:00 <@JonnyH`Work> THen that fires MORE TANKS
01:00 <@JonnyH`Work> it's tanks all the way down
01:00 < Think> Due to the complete failure that was the T-62 (had terrible mobility, low rate of fire and terrible space) the USSR developed the T-64, which was superior to anything NATO had at the time, bar maybe the latter Chieftain Mk. 5 and Mk. 10
01:01 < Think> The T-64 had a 125mm 2A46 cannon which could fire HEAT, HE, APFSDS and even GLATGM rounds
01:01 < Think> It also used composite materials
01:01 < Think> giving it superior protection to all NATO tanks
01:01 < Think> In response West-Germany and the USA developed the MBT-70/KPz. 70 project
01:01 < Think> an attempt to create a new MBT superior to anything the USSR could field
01:02 < Think> But almost immediately there were debates over what the tank should be armed with, what engine it should use and other absurd points
01:02 < Think> So the USA and Germans developed their own tanks under the same program
01:03 < Think> The MBT-70 was similar to the KPz. 70 in most regards except it had a whopping 152mm gun/launcher that could fire missiles and traditional rounds
01:03 < Think> The Germans used the more reliable L/44 120mm cannon
01:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, that's how they end up with BS like the bradley, Politics...
01:03 < Think> But eventually both nations realized the project was simply too expensive
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01:04 < Pawlac> http://b.1339.cf/yqzkjok.jpeg found the picture of this rare prototype
01:04 < Think> and both nations eventually pulled out
01:04 < Think> That isn't even a Chieftain it is firing
01:04 < Think> that is a Vikers
01:04 < Think> anyways
01:04 < Pawlac> oh fuck
01:05 < Think> Anyways
01:05 < Think> The MBT-70 project wasn't a complete failure though
01:06 < Think> The USA used the lessons learned in it to develop the M1 Abrams, and the Germans used the lessons learned to make the Leopard 2
01:06 < Think> The British were still pretty happy with their Chieftain but they had proposed several replacements for it
01:06 < Think> Such as the Aluminium Chieftain
01:06 < Think> and the MBT-80
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01:07 < Think> Eventually the USA developed the M1 Abrams, equipped with a 105mm M68 cannon, and utilizing a massive 1500 hp turbine engine, the Germans made their Leopard 2 with the L/44 120mm cannon and a diesel 1500 hp engine
01:08 < Think> The British eventually developed the Challenger 1, armed with a rifled 120mm cannon and using a 1350 hp diesel engine
01:09 < Think> In response to these weapons the USSR needed a T-64 that they could produce on a massive scale
01:09 < Think> and hence, the T-72 was born
01:10 < Pawlac> well, what was the rational to equip the M1 Abrams a Turbine Engine instead of a Diesel one?
01:10 < Think> The Americans soon realized that a 105mm cannon was no longer adequate to defeat a T-64/T-72
01:10 < Think> Turbine engines allowed for the Abrams to accelerate quicker
01:10 < Think> and allowed for a higher unrestricted top-speed
01:10 < Think> both on and off-road
01:11 < Think> Anyways, the Americans eventually developed their M1A1 Abrams, which incorporated the armor improvements on the M1IP and a 120mm gun (the M256) which was a modification of the German L/44
01:12 < Think> Now NATO armor was qualitatively superior to their PACT foes
01:12 < Think> but they still lacked numbers
01:12 < Think> Thus, the British developed the Challenger 1 Mk. 2, which had improved armor and newer ammunition
01:13 < Think> The Germans developed the Leopard 2A4, which had better armor and a newer FCS
01:13 < Think> The Americans then developed the M1A1[HA], literally a M1A1 with DU armor on the front hull and turret
01:13 < Think> The M1A1[HA] was the best armored tank in the world when it entered service
01:14 < Think> and no Soviet tank could penetrate it from the front, unless they got within 500m of it
01:14 < Think> In response the Soviets developed the T-80, an improved T-64 with a turbine engine of its own, a newer FCS and autoloader
01:15 < Think> The T-80 was initially weaker than the T-64B, but future upgrades made the T-80 a fearsome weapon
01:15 < Think> The British in the meantime had widely fielded their CHARM 3 APFSDS round and had upgraded their Challenger to a Mk. 3 standard, which had a superior FCS and a higher rate of fire thanks to a larger turret
01:17 < Think> Before the Cold War ended the Americans developed their M829A1 APFSDS round, which proved to be superior to anything the Soviets had at the time, and only today with the Russian's most modern APFSDS round can it match the power of the M829A1 "Silver bullet"
01:17 < Think> After the Cold War collapsed the T-90, Challenger 2, M1A2 and Leopard 2A5 all came out of its remains to form the modern day tank lines
01:18 < Think> And that's kind of it...
01:18 < Think> It would be so much easier to talk about this than to type it
01:18 < Think> Oh yeah, and there were some IFVs developed too
01:18 < Think> like the Warrior, Marder, Bradley and BMP
01:19 < Pawlac> heh I like the WW2 era tanks the most, all those varieties and stuff
01:19 < Think> Plenty of variety left, look at the Sheridan
01:20 < Think> http://www.military-today.com/tanks/m551_sheridan.jpg
01:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Pretty interesting :D
01:20 < Think> I am sorry for my rough summary
01:20 < Think> if I was talking I could of gone into deeper detail
01:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Kinda reminds me of going home - my dad used to work on optics used in some of the british systems
01:21 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, I'm off now, have a good evening
01:21 < Think> See you later!
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01:22 < Pawlac> wew
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11:06 < kkmic> How can I fix this: 'Font "SMALFONT" has glyph with missing string attribute'
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17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> kkmic: Are you adding new fonts?
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Actually, it might be that your data directory is out of date, it changed this area a couple of days ago
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18:16 < Skin36_> hi
18:16 < Skin36_> what about new font ?
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/1ae2220665b6cad91befabbf329d5e0e29220388
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> that changed the format of the font description xml
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and allowed you to pull in characters from different files into the 'same' font
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18:37 < Skin36_> everything is clear from the drawing minimap?
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18:42 < Think> Hello Jonny and Nadir!
18:42 < Think> Solarius too (but who likes that guy?)
18:43 < Solarius> I do! *ba-dum-tssss*
18:43 < Think> I ship it
18:43 < Think> Nice to meet you Solarius!
18:43 < Solarius> Yo!
18:44 < Solarius> I wonder who you're shipping me with!
18:44 < Solarius> So exciting!
18:44 < Think> Yourself!
18:44 < Think> By the way, love your mods man, keep up the great work!
18:45 < Solarius> Thanks! That's the most important thing.
18:45 < Think> I ship you with yourself because "Solarius too (but who likes that guy?)" then you said "I do! *ba-dum-tssss*" :3
18:45 < Solarius> Yeah, I get it.
18:45 < Solarius> And I promise my next mod will be spectacular. (Justn ot sure if a spectacular success, or a spectacular flop. But it'll be spectacular nonetheless.)
18:46 < Think> I have seen that...
18:46 < Think> On the forum
18:46 < Think> I may be on and off here at random, beware.
18:46 < Solarius> Yeah. Though truth be told, I haven't really revealed much.
18:47 < Solarius> BTW the #x-piratez channel is doing well, so everyone's invited.
18:47 < Think> Awesome!
18:48 < Think> You know, I would love it if one day someone made template for mod vehicles, weapons, and stuff, I cannot seem to make a working mod
18:49 < Solarius> It's not really that simple, since there would have to be many templates for weapons alone. Weapons with clips, no clips, with melee attack, various damage types...
18:50 < Think> True...
18:50 < Solarius> It's more straightforward to just check the ruleset reference, and ask on forums/IRC if needed.
18:50 < Solarius> I'm totally helping when asked.
18:52 < Solarius> And Warboy and SupSuper are also very helpful.
18:53 < Solarius> this Sunday, Warboy spent 2 hours debugging my mod, and it really was crazy shit.
18:53 < Solarius> Respect.
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18:58 < Solarius> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/6c/f4/ef/6cf4ef4b1ebce15e7fe4310574580c78.jpg Bug reports.
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19:00 < Pawlac_1> oy vey you just triggered my feelings
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19:02 < Skin36_> everything is clear from the drawing minimap?
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I think so, we just need to implement it
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume that colour table you found matches the 'top' non-zero tile in each x/y coord
19:18 < Skin36_> its like this
19:18 < Skin36_> http://f6.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLQ4.png
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, so it starts at z=9
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> and keeps going down until it finds one with a colour
19:22 < Skin36_> yes
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19:23 < Think> Well hello again!
19:23 < Skin36_> what remains unclear to the facility ?
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> We have the 'contents size'
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> like how many people a lab contains
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19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> but I don't know if there's a flag anywhere that says /what/ it contains
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> We currently add that manually, so it's not really an issue...
19:26 < Skin36_> I try to figure it out
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> There's probably better things to look at first though
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I really want to get the vehicle stuff sorted
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> like the 'firing arc' values etc.
19:27 < Think> What about the firing arcs?
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> We have a number, but I don't know what it /means/
19:28 < Think> It is the degree I am quite certain
19:28 < Skin36_> You saw function. I thought we were finished with it)
19:28 < Think> 15 = 15 degree arc
19:28 < Think> off of the nose
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> in x/y?
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Is there a z?
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> And the missile tracking value
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that a turn radius?
19:30 < Think> Hold on, let me pull up Apoc'd
19:30 < Skin36_> well, try to find out more detail
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, Skin36_ _please_ write this stuff up somewhere
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm at work a lot of the time I'm on the chat
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> and don't have the ability to record it myself
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> So you may have explained it to me here, but if it's not written down somewhere (ufopadia.org, forums) it'll be forgotten by the end of the hour
19:32 < Think> Okay, so it seems there is a vertical and horizontal firing arc, measured in degrees
19:32 < Skin36_> as it has already happened with the change of day and night?  :D
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup :P
19:33 < Skin36_> (
19:34 < Think> Arcs seem to allow the weapon to be fired at a target of a certain angle on the craft and the turn rate allows it to turn quicker to engage that target
19:34 < Think> The firing arcs have no impact after a weapon is fired
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> So apoc vehicle 'turning'
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that just a visual effect? Or does it change the acceleration?
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> If you're facing the 'wrong way' and stopped and move to the next tile
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> is that slower to get there than if you started pointing in the right direction? (but also stopped)
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus you clearly start moving that way, even if 'facing' the wrong way
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> and the turn rate - we know there are 36 'ticks' per second
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> How does the turn rate relate to that? Is it 'number of degrees it can turn in one tick' or something
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> this is for homing missiles
19:37 < Think> I am pretty certain that your vehicle orients itself to the correct direction, which will take however long to turn that direction, and then move in the roughly correct direction. Ships do not move in perfect diagonals, hence their somewhat choppy diagonal motion
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> If you have a 'still' vehicle then tell it to move to the tile 'behind' it
19:38 < Think> I am not 100% certain about turn rate, but for missiles it allows it to turn sharper to engage a target that is either closer or more maneuverable.
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> to my eyes it looks like it starts moving towards the vehicle instantly, appearing to go 'backwards' as it is still turning
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> so higher = "faster turns"
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> not "slower"?
19:38 < Think> That's what I have experienced
19:39 < Think> The code is weird, it may be an equation but it is difficult to tell based on visual changes
19:39 < Think> I will test this out a little
19:39 < Think> I can give you some results in an hour or so
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I've gotta run to a meeting
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> then lunch
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> so probably afk myself a while
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20:28 < Think> Well, how was the meeting?
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20:31 < Think> Anyone still here?
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11:12 < kkmic> JonnyH`Away: it works now, I have updated my data directory, thanks
11:12 < kkmic> I was not adding anything, I was just test-running openapoc
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16:43 < Skin36> hi
16:43 <@JonnyH> hey
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19:16 <@pmprog> Hi
19:17 < Skin36> hi
19:17 < SupSuper> hi
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Hi
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Glad I got that over, I can go back to being afk now :)
19:20 < Skin36> SupSuper we can draw minimap for facility screen now
19:21 < SupSuper> ?
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Skin36 found the table of "tile idx -> colour" used in the minimap in the base screen
19:22 < Skin36> http://f5.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLR0.png
19:22 < SupSuper> ohhhh
19:22 < SupSuper> so it's not pre-rendered after all?
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Nope, he also found the chunk of code that did "for each {x,y} cord: find the highest z that's not zero"
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect we'll add the colour to the 'tile' definition
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> No need to have a new data type or anything...
19:24 < SupSuper> we should probably pre-render it though. i doubt opengl will like blitting a few thousand 1x1 pixels...
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> And I assume we'll do it in rgb space, as a palette lookup there seems silly :P
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Does it 'react' to city changes? We could just generate the 100x100 'Image' every time you open the city screen?
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> ..base screen
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> the 'current building' red box would then be drawn on top of that single Image?
19:25 < SupSuper> sure
19:25 < SupSuper> i couldn't figure out if it reacted to city changes
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Meh, do it in the BaseView constructor or something
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> nothing can change in the city
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> and taking a fraction of a second to generate & upload to the gpu there won't be a big deal
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Someone should take a screenshot ofthe original version
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> try to knock down some buildings/blow up roads
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> and see if it changes?
19:28 <@pmprog> Even if it does, surely you only need to blit a rectangle over where builds are destroyed
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> re-generating the texture from scratch would probably be cheaper than figuring out which tiles are destroyed and blitting them
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> 100x100 is pretty trivial :P
19:29 <@pmprog> Fair enough :)
19:29 <@pmprog> Whilst you're here (and I'm here)... I've got some issues with Allegro on Mint. I know OA isn't using Allegro, but I still use it
19:29 <@pmprog> https://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/616113
19:30 <@pmprog> It wouldn't build the Native Dialog addon, so I installed some GTK libs and now I can't build the TTF addon
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> It looks like you're linking against the static version of libfreetype
19:30 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: i did that but discerning pixels is completely non-conclusive
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Try the shared version?
19:30 < SupSuper> would be easier to check what the code does
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> errm... (looks at log)
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> http://f6.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLQ4.png
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> is what skin posted
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> as far as I can see 'v4' is the Z of the city
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> it starts at 9 and decrements until the 'scenery' map (IE ignoring vehicles etc) has a non-zero colour
19:32 <@pmprog> Hmm, I don't have a .so for freetype.
19:33 <@pmprog> Ah, yes I do, just elsewhere
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know how the cmake system allegro uses detects which freetype lib to use
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> You might be able to change the variable from the .a to the .so and it'll 'work' :P
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Unless there's an option in the allegro cmake that says 'prefer shared/static' or something...
19:35 <@pmprog> It's built that now, but I still don't get the native_dialog addon :(
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> is WANT_NATIVE_DIALOG enabled?
19:38 <@pmprog> Yep
19:38 <@pmprog> and WANT_X11
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> huh..
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> and you re-configured and re-generated the makefiles after adding the libgtk stuff?
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Or wipe the build dir and start again...
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> sometimes cmake doesn't like re-detecting things it's already disabled
19:41 <@pmprog> Yep
19:41 <@pmprog> I'll redo it though
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> does 'make lib/liballegro_dialog.so' do anything?
19:45 <@pmprog> make: *** No rule to make target `lib/liballegro_dialog.so'. Stop.
19:46 <@pmprog> The cmake_install.cmake file in the folder is a lot smaller than the other addons
19:46 <@pmprog> It's kinda like a stub without any meat
19:52 <@pmprog> Bah! Sorted it... I'd installed GTK3, and not GTK2 dev files
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19:59 <@pmprog> Hmm, when I try and run my program it says it can't find liballegro_dialog.so.5.1, yet it's clearly in /usr/local/lib; and that path is implied in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> ldconfig?
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> it reads from a cache that needs to be regenerated
20:04 <@pmprog> Awesome, thanks! I don't do this stuff enough to remember all this
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Normally the package manager does all this kind of stuff for you
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and 'LD_LIBRARY_PATH' and other 'local' library loading things don't use the cache
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe explain how you 'Fixed the FreeType linking issue'
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise you'll be that guy https://xkcd.com/979/
20:08 <@pmprog> lol, that's me so many times...
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> 'Thanks, but I found a solution' with nothing extra is the most frustrating thing :P
20:13 <@pmprog> Yeah, I always post mine when I do finally fix it
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I never do, gotta keep my job security by hording knowledge!
20:42 < SupSuper> this rings strangely true lately: http://xkcd.com/1654/
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Look at all those different ways of installing things... https://xkcd.com/927/
20:50 < SupSuper> i think it's less "standards" and more "every programmer likes rolling their own packages"
20:50 < SupSuper> it's just version checks, how bad can it be!
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Also "Some things behave differently - trying to pretend they don't doesn't always work"
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17:55 < Skin36> hi JonnyH
17:56 <@JonnyH> good morning Skin36 
17:58 < Skin36> evening for me)
17:58 < Skin36> what's New ?
17:58 <@JonnyH> Not much, still working on save game stuff in openapoc
17:59 <@JonnyH> Watching the Rugby (six nations in the UK)
18:01 < Skin36> I play zero-k, as always)
18:04 < Skin36> in the original, saving function, it is simply a record of all the structures
18:05 <@JonnyH> Yeah, but we use different structures and different data flows
18:05 <@JonnyH> and I'm doing it as part of mods & all that
18:05 <@JonnyH> (so you can 'override' parts of the game from a file, to allow mods)
18:07 < Skin36> I, as the time will continue to understand the characteristics of weapons
18:11 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/savegame/tools/extractors/common/vequipment.h#L40
18:11 <@JonnyH> is what I read currently
18:12 <@JonnyH> see all the FIXME:s :P
18:12 <@JonnyH> I *think* the 'projectile image' looks up a different draw function
18:12 <@JonnyH> IE it's not an image or sprite
18:13 <@JonnyH> but I have the known values here: https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/savegame/game/city/vweapon.cpp#L57
18:13 <@JonnyH> I'm currently just changing the colour, but that's clearly not correct (e.g. missiles and bullets are different shapes to the beams)
18:14 <@JonnyH> The 'idem' field is interesting, I have no idea what it's even related to
18:14 <@JonnyH> I just got that name from hexa.txt not looked into it myself
18:17 < Skin36> hm idem
18:18 <@JonnyH> I don't know what it means :P
18:18 <@JonnyH> It might be a typo of 'item' or something for all I know
18:19 < Skin36> tail_size what is
18:19 <@JonnyH> How long the 'beam' is for beam weapons
18:19 <@JonnyH> and I think it's also how long the 'rocket exhaust' for missiles is
18:20 <@JonnyH> I think it's just a visual effect, only the very front point of beams can 'hit' anything
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18:29 < Skin36> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLRd.png
18:29 < Skin36> firing_arc
18:32 <@JonnyH> O, it looks like v14 is the angle from origin in x/y plane (z=0)
18:32 <@JonnyH> it allows it to fire if abs(v14) < firing_arc_2
18:33 <@JonnyH> v15 I guess would then be the angle up/down? And comparing that against firing_arc_3?
18:33 <@JonnyH> so firing_arc_2 is how far left/right it can fire
18:33 <@JonnyH> and firing_arc_3 the elevation in z
18:33 < Skin36> http://f6.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLRe.png
18:34 < Skin36> they are almost the same
18:34 <@JonnyH> for most it seems firing_arc_2 == firing_arc_3
18:34 <@JonnyH> I guess it kinda makes sense, if a weapon is 'easy' to point at things it'll probably be the same in both dimensions
18:34 < Skin36> firing_arc_1 is not firing_arc
18:35 <@JonnyH> any idea what is actually is then?
18:35 < Skin36> seems like unuse
18:39 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/7cf721f78148d74d39a360deab9626f2fa27bfec
18:39 <@JonnyH> So that is correcft then?
18:50 < Skin36> http://f3.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLRf.png
18:52 < Skin36> I found a function for fire to vehicles
18:55 < Skin36> http://pastebin.com/fbiKFDVB
19:10 < Skin36> although there is, firing_arc1 seems to be used
19:10 < Skin36> http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLRg.png
19:32 < Skin36> oh no , its range/2
19:36 <@JonnyH> range /4? shifed by 2?
19:42 < Skin36> yes
19:43 < Skin36>  shifed by 2
19:44 < Skin36> I think it is used in functions rendering shots
19:45 < Skin36> sub_42D28(v11, v12, (signed __int16)v5, 0xD3);
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00:47 < SecretSam> Hello
00:48 < SupSuper> hey
00:48 < SecretSam> How goes it?
00:50 < SupSuper> alright. you?
00:50 < SecretSam> Good :D
00:51 < SecretSam> Do you by chance know someone who goes by the name "Think"?
00:52 < SupSuper> yes, he's on #openxcom right now
00:52 < SecretSam> :D
00:53 < SecretSam> Okey Doke
00:53 < SecretSam> Thank you
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14:11 < Pawlac> I wonder if Fireaxis would ever make a X-com based on Apoc
14:11 < Pawlac> make a new x-com game*
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14:15 < Kaljakoppa> Apoc wasn't quite so popular as the first two as far as I know
14:16 < Kaljakoppa> Personally I found it to be the best :P Awesome to cause havoc in Cityscape
14:19 < SupSuper> you mean get everyone to hate you :P
14:23 < Kaljakoppa> Not on purpose but loved the game mechanics
14:27 < SupSuper> yeah, there's something soothing about mindless destruction :)
14:39 < Kaljakoppa> True dat
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19:29 < Skin36> hi
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17:29 < Skin36> hi
17:49 <@JonnyH> hey Skin36
17:53 <@JonnyH> afk a bit, meeting...
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18:43 < Skin36> where the images are projectiles?
18:43 < Skin36> http://f6.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLSa.png
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19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Skin36: I don't think they use iamges
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> but instead are actually drawn by 'code'
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Similar to how the previous xcom bullet sprites are drawn
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Otherwise youll have to have a very large number of sprites for all the directions they actually travel in
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20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Or it's made of a line of small particle sprites or something...
20:04 < SupSuper> that *is* how xcom bullet sprites work :p
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> But that's still "in code" - there's no lookup table in the data files that list the sprites?
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> And are the sprites in .pck files? If so I haven't seenthe equivalent for apoc...
20:06 < SupSuper> they're just sets of particles that are "tilted" in code to create every which angle: https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/bin/standard/xcom1/Resources/BulletSprites/BulletSprites.png
20:06 < SupSuper> but yeah they were hardcoded in the exe, we had to get them out
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH with a few image examples you could probably create the sprites yourself, if it uses the same logic as oxc
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> currently my alpha-blended-lines are clearly 'incorrect' , but probably 'close enough' for the beams :P
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> At least the larger plasma beams had a thicker 'head' though, and they faded towards the end of the beam...
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> but gameplay > small gfx fixups at this time I'd say
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh my I haven't even thought about the apoc videos
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> bink video IIRC... ffmpeg supports them (kinda - screwed up sound IIRC)
20:15 < SupSuper> smacker actually :p bink's predecessor
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> It's still a dct block format right?
20:15 < SupSuper> presumably, just palette-based. sound is always messed up on those anyways, so can't tell if it's the decoder's fault or not :p
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> heh, no the sound seems OK for my ffmpeg here :)
20:16 < SupSuper> any issues tend to arise from games dropping their own unofficial extensions onto standards :p
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20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> My god I forgot how awful those videos were...
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/xcom3/smk/lose1.smk.x265.mp4
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> why'd they go through all that trouble infiltrating a city over weeks just to blow up the planet?
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/xcom3/smk/wingame2.smk.x265.mp4
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> "Let's just hang around here for a while and watch the pretty fireworks"
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Heh, that bloke got polygon'd
20:52 < SupSuper> still better than the ingame graphics :p
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Hey, maybe I like a weird mish-mash of conflicting styles...
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17:04 < Skin36> hi
17:08 <@JonnyH> hey
17:11 < Skin36> where there are pictures of projectiles?
17:11 < Skin36> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLTH.png
17:11 <@JonnyH> Not sure
17:12 <@JonnyH> Possibly built up of some 'small' sprites in the .exe
17:12 <@JonnyH> In the original xcom they're a 'trail' of these sprites: https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/bin/standard/xcom1/Resources/BulletSprites/BulletSprites.png
17:13 <@JonnyH> So probablly not a .pck image
17:15 < Skin36> whether it is necessary to look for them in apoc?
17:15 <@JonnyH> If you can find something related to that it would be useful
17:15 < Skin36> ok
17:15 <@JonnyH> I don't /know/ apoc does it the same way
17:15 <@JonnyH> but there's a good chance it does
17:19 < Skin36> we are faced with the problem that the text does not fit in many languages. Will we be able to implement the original algorithm of kerning, if necessary, for example, or scaling?
17:20 < Skin36> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLTI.png
17:22 < Skin36> scaling
17:22 <@JonnyH> The issue is that the languages we're translating to weren't supported in the original apoc
17:23 < Skin36> http://f2.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLTJ.png
17:23 <@JonnyH> or have been re-translated to longer strings
17:23 <@JonnyH> We could scale down the text if it doesn't fit instead of line splitting
17:23 <@JonnyH> but then that would look really weird as you get non-pixel-aligned slightly-smaller lines in the middle of UI elements
17:24 <@JonnyH> I suspect a better fix would be to have a per-language 'UI layout' tweak
17:24 <@JonnyH> to re-flow the UI if needed...
17:24 < Skin36> in the German version of the game changed kerning, and long words fit
17:25 <@JonnyH> I only have the UK files to reference...
17:27 < Skin36> there are different only files kerning .cps
17:29 <@JonnyH> Yeah, we don't do proper kerning yet...
17:29 <@JonnyH> MAybe make that my next task after savegames?
17:30 <@JonnyH> I'm already changing a few of the font .xml things as part of that
17:30 < Skin36> it is not urgent, we are still working with the font
17:31 <@JonnyH> If we do 'import' the cps file
17:31 <@JonnyH> it's likely you'll have to make the equivalent for each of the new find glyphs you draw
17:32 < Skin36> it is not a problem, I realized it dynamically.
17:33 <@JonnyH> I suspect we'll have to do more than 'kerning changes' to make other languages fit anyway
17:33 <@JonnyH> so a better solution would probably be needed for them...
17:34 < Skin36> kerning will give up to 10%, but it will not save the situation
17:38 <@JonnyH> currently we have a fixed 2 pixel gap between the last 'used' pixel and the next character
17:38 <@JonnyH> You could reduce that to 1...
17:38 <@JonnyH> But it won't help with 'overlap'
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19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> hey sup
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> llvm.org lies - the ubuntu repo it advertises for clang 3.8 doesn't exist :'(
19:40 < SupSuper> lol
19:41 < SupSuper> are you gonna be at gdc? :p i hear khronos will be there
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, I'm not MARKETING enough to go
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20:31 < Guest72588> Hi guys
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> hi
20:32 < Guest72588> why u chose c++ impementation insetad of java ?
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> 1) I know c++, I don't know java
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> 2) I'm treating it as a 'learn c++11' project
20:34 < Kaljakoppa> If you ever do convert to java, I'm in :)
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> 3) Why u chose java impemtation insetad of c++ ? Or c#? Or ruby? Or haskell? Or lisp? Or...
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> It's unlikelyat this point
20:35 < Guest72588> at least is more portable tahn c++
20:35 < Guest72588> and btw
20:35 < Guest72588> it was just a question
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, it's a good question
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> It's just the answer is "It was already in c++.. and we saw no reason to change"
20:35 < Guest72588> actually c++ is better 4 performance
20:35 < Guest72588> but have some compatibility problems
20:36 < Guest72588> but xcom dosent need to be performant i think
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Unfortunately apoc does
20:37 < Kaljakoppa> Nowadays the performance stuff is quite irrelevant
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> For example SKin has a python version of the city scape
20:37 < Kaljakoppa> The gap isn't that big, and they have different areas of excellence
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> and he's really struggled to get it rendering at anywhere near full speed
20:38 < Kaljakoppa> So it is not straight forward to measure the performance
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> We ended up writing an OpenGL renderer - you can do stuff like that in java (at least within a decent margin of performance even with java's possible inefficiencies)
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> but you lost the 'portability' of java then
20:39 < Guest72588> it depends on how much the process its slowed down
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> The opengl renderer was like a factor of 1000x speedup
20:40 < Kaljakoppa> I'd say these things are just matter of preference mostly
20:40 < Kaljakoppa> The choice of language, nowadays
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, if I knew java well I'd probably be using that
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> and probably know enough to work around those bottlenecks :)
20:41 < Guest72588> wel btw i was just asking i know a lot of effort was put in the c++ version
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> c++11 is a really nice language IMHO, you *can* shoot yourself in the foot, but most of the 'low level nitty gritty' java "saved" you from can be avoided in c++ too
20:41 < Kaljakoppa> Yeah, coding is always like that
20:42 < Guest72588> and is meaning less to restart it from the scratch
20:42 < Guest72588> in java
20:42 < Guest72588> i was just curious
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I believe it would be significantly more effort to start again in java
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> c++11 gives you lots of features (smart pointers, cool language stuff like foreach loops, rich-enough standard library)
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> that writing java isn't much more efficient than c++
20:44 < Kaljakoppa> And SDL 2, does it provide OpenGL?
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> It provides the 'setup' for opengl
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so we just call SDL_CreateWindoe(WITH_OPENGL)
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> (or something)
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> and it works on android/windows/linux/ios/amiga/s390/more platforms than java's graphics backend :P
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect I'll end up using stuff like java and .net for 'tools' etc.
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> as there's no 'standard' UI library for c++
20:46 < Guest72588> where ?
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> and it doesn't matter if they don't run on your phone :P
20:46 < Guest72588> neither in java
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Nothing yet
20:47 < Kaljakoppa> xwidgets etc.?
20:47 < Guest72588> and swing and awt suck balls
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> They look nasty
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> but for a "Modder's tool" good functionality is better than "looking nice"
20:47 < Kaljakoppa> JavaFX is the future in Java GUI stuff supposedly
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I dunno, not used java since uni :)
20:49 < Kaljakoppa> It is like CSS
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> That doesn't help :P
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Not used css
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> ...ever :P
20:49 < Kaljakoppa> I didn't quite get it, even with the builder
20:49 < Kaljakoppa> wysiqwyg builder
20:50 < Kaljakoppa> So OpenKeeper has a bit Swing on it
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> There's a decent chance I'd still use c++ and something like qt though...
20:50 < Kaljakoppa> Oh yeah QT too
20:50 < Kaljakoppa> It looks good
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I /try/ to make sure I use the best tool for the job
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Or 'least worst' :P
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think I get religious about languages/libraries
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> But I will naturally lean towards stuff I "already know"
20:51 < Kaljakoppa> If you go with java, I suggest Netbeans, it still has the best GUI builder
20:51 < Kaljakoppa> Swing, but completely drag&drop&wysiwyg&etc
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> And it's all open source
20:52 < Kaljakoppa> Or Lazarus, if you go Pascal :)
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I've tried to comment any reverse-engineered formats etc.
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> feel free to write your own tools
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Or even openapoc competitor :P
20:52 < Kaljakoppa> That wouldn't make much sense :)
20:53 < Guest72588> nah actually i was thinking about contribute to the project
20:53 < Guest72588> in c++
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> cool :)
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> My 'day job' is C and kernel stuff
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> so this C++ is 'high level' to me
20:54 < Kaljakoppa> Ah :)
20:54 < Guest72588> day job ?
20:54 < Guest72588> your work ?
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> What I do for money
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
20:54 < Guest72588> i got it
20:54 < Guest72588> i just graduated
20:54 < Guest72588> and im looking 4 something to improve my c++ skills
20:55 < Guest72588> 4 VG dev
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I'd used C++98 before
20:55 < Guest72588> and c++ its top notch
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I saw this as an opportunity to 'update' that to c++11
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> wich is /very/ different
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> so a lot of it is still 'learning' code :P
20:56 < Guest72588> and btw
20:56 < Guest72588> loved the original game
20:56 < Guest72588> :)
20:57 < Guest72588> update ?
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> c++98 vs c++11
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> there's a lot of differences
20:58 < Guest72588> ohhh
20:58 < Guest72588> are u long time programmer ?
20:59 < Guest72588> how old are u lol ?
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Long-ish - 5 years since leaving uni
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> 27
21:01 < Guest72588> well than u are youger than me lol
21:02 < Guest72588> im 29
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Heh :D
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Good for me I guess
21:02 < Guest72588> and i graduated a couple of mntsh ago
21:02 < Guest72588> but im not american
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Neither am I (I'm from Englang)
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> ...England :P
21:02 < Guest72588> im from italy
21:03 < Guest72588> well then
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21:04 < Guest72588> lets start some shit
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> I've gotta get back to work...
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> If you have any questions either post them here anyway (I might check every now and then)
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> or post on the forum and I can answer later
21:06 < Guest72588> ok
21:07 < Guest72588> im lu86 on the forum
21:07 < Guest72588> im just registered
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16:40 < Skin36_> hi
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18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> morning pmprog
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18:54 <@pmprog> Good morning. How's things?
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19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Alright
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> clang 3.8 was released
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> so I was going to actually start changing the code style to match
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> and enforce it with a clang-tidy pass
19:19 < SupSuper> did it break everything
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> It builds with clang-3.8 fine
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> The difference is in some clang-format changes
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and you can enforce new checks (e.g. identifier-naming) in clang-tidy
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> So the config would actually become the 'style guideline' I posted up a while back
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> (it can also 'fix' identifier naming, but that doesn't work well across lots of .cpp files)
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19:35 < SupSuper> i still don't believe it :p
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> It's *magic*
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> other than the fact that 'doesn't work well across lots of .cpp files' translates to 'useless for us' :P
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> clang-format also sorts includes by default now too...
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21:09 < SupSuper> oh is the miniminimap data extracted?
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> not yet
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I can add it to my WIP/savegame branch extractors...
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> but that's not usable yet...
21:17 < SupSuper> hmm
21:17 < SupSuper> maybe i should work on something that's not xcom
21:17 < SupSuper> wait what am i saying!!
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21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, "suspending the world" trying to re-work a lot of the GameState is turning out to be a Bad Idea...
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> I keep saying I'll get it some some weekend
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> then end up being unable to get any time to work on it...
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06:41 < sf{bad_alloc}> Achievement unlocked: Make a renderer so buggy that it crashes RenderDoc!
06:43 < sf{bad_alloc}> along with two separate (i.e. not derived from each other) smart pointers managing the same object
06:45 < sf{bad_alloc}> also, the fact that OpenApoc re-creates label images from scratch on each frame (and destroys them immediately after rendering) makes me sad :<
06:46 < sf{bad_alloc}> (I'd rather have a bunch of calls to renderer, but then again, maybe I should make my renderer not output only blackness first)
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15:25 <@JonnyH> sf_user: I _think_ all the text controls were designed to be 'cached'....
15:27 < sf_user> JonnyH: well, either there's enough labels in the main menu to fill up a 8192x8192 texture, or there's a mksp<PaletteImage> in the Label's OnRender (or something)
15:28 <@JonnyH> hmm... I guess that was part of allowing per-label 'palettes'
15:28 <@JonnyH> we should keep a list and re-use ones that happen to be exactly the same...
15:28 < sf_user> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/forms/label.cpp#L64
15:29 < sf_user> and iirc font->getString() returns a mksp<> thingy that gets destroyed, well, automatically
15:31 < sf_user> though I'm not sure if OnRender actually occurs each frame, to be honest
15:32 <@JonnyH> Huh, that caching I was thinking of was specific to textbuttons...
15:32 <@JonnyH> I guess labels will be re-rendered every frame
15:32 < sf_user> well, makes sense, since the contents can be updated each frame
15:33 <@JonnyH> We should have a cached image and a 'dirtyness' I guess?
15:34 < sf_user> by the way, how about font->getString() returning a Surface instead of PaletteImage? that way we could use the renderer to render text and have a font cache somewhere...
15:35 < sf_user> right now I try and cache PaletteImages and RGBImages that are "reasonably" sized (i.e. < 256 pixels on both sides)
15:35 < sf_user> but that would make more sense if my renderer could actually output _anything_ :p
15:36 < sf_user> (although maybe it's just a bug in the shaders, retrying now)
15:36 <@JonnyH> The Renderer could keep a map of weak GLPalette pointers
15:37 <@JonnyH> make a hash<> implementation on the palette contents so you don't have to search everything?
15:38 <@JonnyH> Then the Font could have a cache of string : weak PaletteImage refs?
15:38 < sf_user> how many palettes are we going to use, anyway? right now I just have a 256x1024 texture and shove a paletteIdx into each Palette->rendererPrivateData I encounter
15:39 <@JonnyH> Realistically? One for the 'city' (that's modified every frame when doing day->night transitionsa), one per UI screen (each of the background .pcx files has a different palette), one per font "colour"
15:39 <@JonnyH> Not many
15:40 < sf_user> hah! it _was_ a shader bug, after all!
15:40 <@JonnyH> whut?
15:41 < sf_user> context: against all reason I've decided to rewrite the renderer (using your WIP/renderer2 changes as a basis)
15:41 < sf_user> with caching and all that good stuff
15:41 < sf_user> and I _finally_ see some images!
15:41 <@JonnyH> cool
15:41 < sf_user> flickering like crazy, upside-down but still
15:42 <@JonnyH> Upside down? Nvidia card? :P
15:42 < sf_user> no, not setting the uniform :p
15:55 < sf_user> question: if I'm flushing mapped buffer ranges obtained through glMapBufferRange, do I specify offset relative to the buffer start, or to the start of the mapped range? (also, glMappedBufferRange returns pointer to the first byte of the range, offset by, uh, offset from the buffer start, right?)
16:05 <@JonnyH> Are you using persistent mappings then?
16:05 <@JonnyH> and glFlushMappedBufferRange offset is relative to thebeginning of the buffe
16:06 < sf_user> no (I'm sticking to gles3), but they seem _extremely_ interesting
16:06 < sf_user> iirc persistent mappings are 4.4+
16:12 <@JonnyH> So does explicit flushing give you any advantages?
16:12 <@JonnyH> 'caus the implicit flush at unmap before draw probably does most of what you want anyway?
16:14 < sf_user> well, theoretically it should (since I might flush 4 records or 10000, depending on how lucky I was with caching), but I can't measure it right now because my renderer has much bigger problems right now
16:14 <@JonnyH> I wouldn't use explicit flushing unless it's shown to be an issue...
16:14 <@JonnyH> On our hw for example pretty much always ends up re-copying the whole buffer anyway
16:15 <@JonnyH> unless you internally double-buffer objects so you 'know' the buffer isn't in use by the hw when you're modifying it
16:16 < sf_user> I'm trying to implement this strategy: https://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/showthread.php/170118-VBOs-strangely-slow?p=1197780#post1197780
16:18 < sf_user> I'm mapping the whole buffer, write to some part of it, flush this part, map the rest of the buffer, write, rinse, repeat (until the buffer is pretty much used), then I request a new buffer and repeat that stuff
16:18 <@JonnyH> I suspect that pipeline will bubble as you have to switch polygon modes & shaders for the vehicles vs projectiles vs scenery
16:18 < sf_user> why? aren't they mostly PaletteImages and RGBImages?
16:19 <@JonnyH> Each contiguous batch of the samy 'type' you can merge together will probably have very small VBO data (you could optimise this to a single vec2 size/vec2 position/ int imageIndex) and expand to a quad in a geometry shader
16:19 <@JonnyH> But a change of the bound texture will likely cause an implicit flush
16:19 <@JonnyH> and a RGB/Palette image uses a different shader, again likely a flush
16:20 <@JonnyH> and weapon projectiles use a non-image path (currently GL_LINES, though this may change to a 'set of images')
16:20 < sf_user> I'm trying to use a single shader for both, and with some caching (an array for PaletteImages and an array for RGBImages, and a palette index for vertices)
16:21 <@JonnyH> At least with our driver my testing shows each render pass pretty much always fits into the 'scratch' buffer command space
16:21 <@JonnyH> You might get away with some z-buffering kinda thing to batch more of the same type together too...
16:21 <@JonnyH> With clever use of alpha-discard
16:22 <@JonnyH> I really doubt you'd be vertex fetch limited in a massive-pile-of-points that sprites pretty much are
16:23 < sf_user> well, right now I'm trying to reduce the number of draw calls per frame, and I *think* I can batch small RGBImages and small PaletteImages together
16:24 <@JonnyH> I would look into having a z buffer
16:24 <@JonnyH> with an 'integer' z that's incremented every draw call
16:24 <@JonnyH> then you can draw all things with the same shader in a single call
16:25 <@JonnyH> IE no longer having to 'flush' between texture/shader change
16:25 < sf_user> ...provided they all fit into the same texture cache
16:25 <@JonnyH> you can collect up ALL the draws using a speciifc shader/texture pair and draw it in one go
16:25 <@JonnyH> reducing it to N draw calls, where N is the 'number of texture cache pages' would be a big step IMHO
16:27 < sf_user> https://yadi.sk/i/JMnI0b8GqGgpc
16:27 < sf_user> looks like I've screwed something up :p
16:28 <@JonnyH> FBOs having inverted y again?
16:29 < sf_user> pretty sure I'm not setting currentBoundFBO again
16:29 < sf_user> ...or not
16:31 < sf_user> yeah, looks like I've managed to get shader math wrong _again_
16:32 <@JonnyH> I did a few 'weird' transforms in the shader to avoid calculating/uploading a mat4 every sprite
16:34 < sf_user> yeah, apparently I've managed to not copy/paste these properly
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18:41 < Skin36_> hi
18:41 <@JonnyH> hey Skin36_ 
18:43 < Skin36_> which is a simple function of breaking tiles
18:43 <@JonnyH> breaking?
18:43 <@JonnyH> You mean when they're hit by a projecftile?
18:43 < Skin36_> http://f5.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLVl.png
18:43 < Skin36_> this
18:43 <@JonnyH> Aah, interesting
18:44 <@JonnyH> I haven't implemented proper damage yet
18:44 <@JonnyH> so anything 'hit' instantly dies
18:49 < Skin36_> or so
18:49 < Skin36_> http://f2.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLVm.png
18:50 <@JonnyH> Anyway, as an aside I've got out save game stuff pretty much working now
18:50 <@JonnyH> So hopefully I'll be able to put more time into implementing some of the things we've discussed recently :D
18:50 < Skin36_> other functions related to weapons are huge, and require a lot of time for them to understand
19:08 < Skin36_> http://f2.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLVn.png
19:09 < Skin36_> These data are collected in other structures
19:10 <@JonnyH> huh, is that the save game reader or something?
19:12 < Skin36_> this data in memory and in Saved game
19:12 < Skin36_> 175 b struct
19:13 <@JonnyH> Might be a transitory state of the projectile
19:13 <@JonnyH> As the save needs to know the 'currently in the air' projectiles
19:13 < Skin36_> oh no 175 words
19:14 <@JonnyH> Pretty big :D
19:14 < Skin36_> maybe
19:15 < Skin36_> but what else can mean the numbers
19:15 < Skin36_> 316, 318....
19:15 <@JonnyH> Not sure....
19:15 <@JonnyH> I've 316, 316, 320, etc.. are clearly offsets into the struct 'v1'
19:16 < Skin36_> yes
19:16 <@JonnyH> Anyway, I've going to go for lunch in a minute
19:16 < Skin36_> its mad... struct,struct,struct,
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20:03 <@JonnyH> Hey SupSuper
20:03 <@JonnyH> Saved games are actually working in my branch now
20:03 <@JonnyH> Might actually merge into master Soon
20:06 < SupSuper> :o
20:07 <@JonnyH> You can run it today!
20:07 <@JonnyH> IT's a bit of a pain to get working though, you have to run with --extract-data first then normally after it...
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20:07 <@JonnyH> And I need to re-add vehicle missions...
20:07 <@JonnyH> And building facilities no longer works...
20:08 <@JonnyH> And I need to re-add the base layouts...
20:08 <@JonnyH> And I need to move the ufopaedia outside the rules...
20:08 <@JonnyH> Actually, it's miles off, don't know what I was thinking ;)
20:08 < SupSuper> pffff that's just bugs to fix! :p
20:09 <@JonnyH> I will likely merge it 'slightly' buggy
20:09 <@JonnyH> as it's getting silly trying to keep it out of tree...
20:15 < sf_user> https://yadi.sk/i/Ga78UH-0qH2yr well, maybe I've still got some work to do on those palettes :p
20:15 <@JonnyH> Looks like the render order is wrog too?
20:15 <@JonnyH> Or is that just 'caus the transparent pixel isn't transparent
20:16 < Kaljakoppa> Even saved games.. Dudes, you rock
20:17 < sf_user> my money is on the tiles being drawn upside-down
20:17 <@JonnyH> This isn't an 'import original saves'
20:17 <@JonnyH> It's unlikely that would ever be implemented...
20:18 < sf_user> at least it doesn't crash... outright :p
20:18 <@JonnyH> A step up from my normal code then :D
20:19 < sf_user> at least from what I end up with :v
20:19 <@JonnyH> -fsanitize=address says we only leak ~6mb per new game
20:20 <@JonnyH> That's a step up :D
20:20 < sf_user> yeah, the map's being drawn upside-down (and for a while even has the "correct" palette!)
20:21 <@JonnyH> for a while? Not handling setPalette() correctly? :P
20:21 < sf_user> maaaaybe
20:21 <@JonnyH> It's a bit annoying to have 'some' state
20:21 <@JonnyH> but passing a palette into every draw got really ugly...
20:22 <@JonnyH> just in case my Image happened to be a PaletteImage
20:24 < sf_user> speaking of ugly: I've tried to reduce the number of dynamic casts in the renderer... now I've got quite a bunch of switches (and yes, I've already done a wrong cast or two, why do you ask?)
20:24 <@JonnyH> My profile suggested the dynamic casts were pretty trivial perf wise
20:25 <@JonnyH> though that was on a x86_64 beast w/bigger cache than you mum
20:25 <@JonnyH> so might be a different bottleneck on different arches
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20:39 <@JonnyH> Hmm, I should probably put some signing system into saved games
20:39 <@JonnyH> Don't want users to modify them after all...
20:42 < SupSuper> why not? :p
20:47 <@JonnyH> huh, the original save files are ~3.5mb
20:47 <@JonnyH> I'm actually.. SLIGHTLY SMALLER THAN THEM :D
20:47 < sf_user> more state than OpenGL? :p
20:55 < sf_user> huh... changing palettes (evening/night) "fixed" the image, actually
20:55 <@JonnyH> Maybe it was never 'set' in the first place? :P
20:55 < sf_user> https://yadi.sk/i/BD377f7wqH5Sg
20:56 < sf_user> well, I'm getting _three_ palettes, but one of them gets destroyed in the process
20:56 < sf_user> and overwritten with another one
20:56 <@JonnyH> huh
20:57 < sf_user> well, C++'s smart pointers are way too smart for me (or, rather, I'm not smart enough to grasp them, but oh well)
21:01 < sf_user> okay, time to try and build it all for them mobiles!
21:01 <@JonnyH> It wont work
21:02 <@JonnyH> Mobile gpu drivers are a shitshow
21:04 < sf_user> well, that's gonna be fun to watch, at least (if it will even run - windows debug build happily ate up a gig of memory)
21:05 <@JonnyH> Yeah, for some reason running under the windows debugger seems to do weird stuff
21:05 <@JonnyH> Maybe it's doing mmap checks etc.
21:05 <@JonnyH> but the texture uploads specifically on my laptop take like 100x the time...
21:05 < sf_user> what's even more frustrating is that moment when you hit some assert
21:06 <@JonnyH> "Press retry to debug" WTF
21:06 < sf_user> it's "press retry to debug" for me
21:06 < sf_user> and then you're in msvcrt120d.dll and all of your stack is gone
21:06 <@JonnyH> stack:
21:06 <@JonnyH> __internal_symbol
21:07 <@JonnyH> ??? x 20
21:07 <@JonnyH> main()
21:07 < sf_user> thanks, visual studio, that was extremely helpful!
21:07 < sf_user> I don't even get to see main()
21:07 < sf_user> [external symbols]
21:07 < sf_user> [frames below may be missing]
21:07 <@JonnyH> honestly I was trying to use msvc the other day
21:07 < sf_user> [real men don't use asserts]
21:08 <@JonnyH> It's likely related to me 'knowing' the linux tools better
21:08 <@JonnyH> but it just doesn't compare to valgrind/gdb/-fsanitize
21:08 <@JonnyH> even rebuilding was like 10x faster :P
21:09 < sf_user> and it's not just visual studio either
21:09 < sf_user> I've tried using the "new and shiny" android studio 2.0 preview
21:09 < sf_user> on windows ndk support is broken (like "I can't even find my own standard headers!" broken)
21:10 <@JonnyH> TBH so is the linux ndk
21:10 < sf_user> on linux? it works perfectly, better than 1.5
21:10 <@JonnyH> libgcc.a exports a load of __internal functions (stuff like 64-bit integer divide, like internal-to-the-compiler functionality)
21:11 <@JonnyH> so if you build a .so _that_ exports those symbols
21:11 <@JonnyH> which bind to any sub-processes in preference
21:11 <@JonnyH> so (for example) if you build a gpu driver with it
21:11 <@JonnyH> all programs would end up using the version of those symbols that happened to be linked against the driver
21:12 <@JonnyH> even if they were built with a different compiler, and might have different behaviour
21:12 <@JonnyH> you know, broken :P
21:12 < sf_user> business as usual :p
21:12 <@JonnyH> Let's not even go into how the clang currently used in the M builds generates bad code on x86_64
21:13 < sf_user> they did update their ndk recently, marking gcc as deprecated and urging everyone to use their clang...
21:13 <@JonnyH> Yup
21:13 <@JonnyH> it's broken
21:13 < sf_user> (and there's a libvulkan.so in android-24! yay, I guess?)
21:14 <@JonnyH> It's just a wrapper, like libGLESv2.so on android
21:14 <@JonnyH> you still need a driver to implement it :P
21:14 < sf_user> but at least you can -lvulkan :v
21:15 <@JonnyH> and it'll return VK_ERROR_NOT_SUPPORTED for everything :P
21:16 < sf_user> or "unsatisfied link error" with higher probability :p
21:17 <@JonnyH> naa, the vulkan hal provides the symbols
21:17 <@JonnyH> but they don't do anything without a driver beneath it
21:17 <@JonnyH> That's kinda the point, so you don't have the getprocaddress-style crapshow on windows
21:18 <@JonnyH> you know the symbols are there, you just need to test if they do anything useful
21:18 < sf_user> but I guess the vulkan hal isn't there for all of the pre-6.0 devices and for most 6.0 devices out there
21:19 <@JonnyH> Yeah, you'll probably have a different apk anyway
21:20 <@JonnyH> No need to deliver astc assets to something that don't support it...
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21:21 <@JonnyH> AFK, off to meeting @ google to whine about their broken ndk...
21:22 < sf_user> good luck with that :>
21:41 <@JonnyH> Well, that was quick...
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21:51 < sf_user> was it something along the lines "yeah, we know everything is broken, serves you right for not writing in java"?
21:51 <@JonnyH> yeah, but that's broken too :P
21:52 <@JonnyH> and we are effectively a 'platform library'
21:53 < sf_user> well, openapoc logo and a spinning disk is a good start...
21:53 <@JonnyH> You have no idea the pain that damn spinning disc caused me...
21:53 <@JonnyH> Nothing else in the entire thing require rotations
21:57 < sf_user> well, it's pretty :v
21:57 <@JonnyH> It's useless it what it is
21:57 <@JonnyH> It's not even loading anything useful then...
21:58 < sf_user> okay, how did an unordered_map cause a division by zero?
21:58 <@JonnyH> bad std::hash<T>?
21:59 <@JonnyH> Or the object you're referring to as an unordered_map isn't actually allocated?
22:00 < sf_user> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/container/unordered_map/operator_at says it should silently insert the key...
22:00 <@JonnyH> Yeah, it shouild construct a default Value() if nothing maps to the key and return that
22:00 <@JonnyH> IS it not?
22:01 < sf_user> well, right now it's doing a SIGFPE :p
22:01 < sf_user> as for hash, well, it's basically a std::hash<std::string>
22:01 < sf_user> so if that's broken, then what's not?
22:02 <@JonnyH> Key& refers to an invalid pointer?
22:02 <@JonnyH> Anything could be wrong if either the map or key are bad :P
22:02 <@JonnyH> -fsanitize=address,undefiend
22:02 <@JonnyH> s/undefiend/undefined/g
22:03 <@JonnyH> should tell you if you're doing something bad with free'd memory or something
22:03 < sf_user> https://github.com/sfalexrog/OpenApoc/commit/f91863435f85b2e3a7b92ab434a37f27f3c73033
22:04 < sf_user> maybe a .find() could be better, but hey
22:05 <@JonnyH> If you want to construct-on-failure it's good
22:05 <@JonnyH> emplace() should be used if you want to give it args IIRC
22:05 <@JonnyH> returning a std::pair of the object, and if it was created or not
22:06 < sf_user> an empty sp<> is fine
22:06 < sf_user> it'll get populated later anyway
22:06 <@JonnyH> if you do if(!sp) {create_and_insert_new_sp();} yeah
22:06 < sf_user> unless it gets a floating point exception (of all things)
22:07 <@JonnyH> make sure you don't use find or count to see if they exist though
22:07 <@JonnyH> as an 'empty' sp is still a valid entry :P
22:07 <@JonnyH> seems to run alright here...
22:07 <@JonnyH> slowly though :P
22:08 <@JonnyH> anything specific you did to trigger that?
22:08 < sf_user> run it?
22:08 <@JonnyH> I sat on the cityscape for ~20 secs and opened the base scren
22:08 <@JonnyH> no crashes or santitizer errors
22:09 < sf_user> looks like it's failing while trying to calculate bucket index
22:10 <@JonnyH> Looks fine to me...
22:11 <@JonnyH> You using cmake?
22:11 <@JonnyH> Maybe the dependency management is screwed up, and one of the place a BitmapFont is being constructed is using the old 'pre-map' constructor? As that's declared in the header it'll be generated in any referenced file
22:11 <@JonnyH> make clean;make
22:11 <@JonnyH> see if that fixes it
22:12 <@JonnyH> which renderer? GL30?
22:14 < sf_user> gradle (it's android build); maybe I have to explicitly initialize std::unordered_map? it works for me on the desktop the way it is, though...
22:14 < sf_user> gles30 (the one I'm trying to implement, that is)
22:15 <@JonnyH> Naa, it should be fine
22:15 < sf_user> https://github.com/sfalexrog/OpenApoc/commits/WIP/renderer2 (warning: this code is considered a health hazard, tread carefully)
22:15 <@JonnyH> It has a default constructor that should be run as part of the BitmapFont default construtor
22:15 <@JonnyH> That's what I'm running
22:16 <@JonnyH> Note: One possible issue
22:16 <@JonnyH> FBOData's 'GLuint fbo' construtor doesn't init depthBuffer
22:16 <@JonnyH> so the destructor gl::DelketeRenderbuffers() unset memory (might happen to match a buffer in use)
22:17 <@JonnyH> I think that's only used for the window surface though
22:17 <@JonnyH> so only destroyed at exit
22:17 <@JonnyH> so wouldn't cause this issue - maybe a crash on exit though
22:17 < sf_user> pretty much, it's taken from your ogl_3_0_renderer (among other stuff)
22:18 <@JonnyH> I don't think we ahve a depthBuffer though... Did I start adding that somewhere?
22:19 < sf_user> a framebuffer requires a depthbuffer iirc...
22:19 <@JonnyH> No, it's optional
22:19 <@JonnyH> can
22:19 <@JonnyH> ...can'
22:19 <@JonnyH> 't enable GL_DEPTH_TEST with it though
22:19 <@JonnyH> Well you can, but it don't do anything
22:19 < sf_user> by the way, is there a better way to do this: https://github.com/sfalexrog/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/renderer2/framework/render/gles30b/gles3renderer.cpp#L43 ?
22:20 < sf_user> proxy textures are gone (and they weren't a big help either: they were quite happy to tell me I can allocate a 16384x16384x32 RGBA8 texture on my integrated video)
22:21 <@JonnyH> https://www.opengl.org/registry/specs/ATI/meminfo.txt
22:21 <@JonnyH> That doesn't do anything useful IIRC
22:21 <@JonnyH> it just tests host memory, it's not necessarily allocated and uploaded to gpu memory at TexImage time...
22:22 <@JonnyH> GL_AMD_performance_monitor might also have a counter for 'memory'
22:22 <@JonnyH> but that's a freeform string and not really query-able...
22:23 <@JonnyH> OpenGL /my design/ abstracts out memory use
22:23 < sf_user> pretty sure I don't have that ext on my n4...
22:23 < sf_user> and a context that had OOM should be pretty much useless
22:24 <@JonnyH> GL_NVX_gpu_memory_info?
22:24 <@JonnyH> GL may happily accept larger textures than it can fit in it's vram
22:24 <@JonnyH> and just be 1000x slower as it pages in/out of main memory...
22:24 <@JonnyH> and it also depends on system dynamics - other apps using gpu memory etc.
22:25 <@JonnyH> IIRC every mobile soc is a unified arch anyway
22:25 <@JonnyH> so doing stuff like that risks overcommit and  OOM killing
22:25 <@JonnyH> AKA - don't bother
22:25 <@JonnyH> Just assume textures will fit :P
22:25 < sf_user> ahhhahahaha
22:26 <@JonnyH> 4k x 4k @ 32bpp = 64mb
22:27 <@JonnyH> And if you upload a new texture while the one you're replacing is still 'in use' it may use up to 3x the space (1x for the old texture, 1x for the new GPU copy, 1x for the CPU copy)
22:27 <@JonnyH> AKA memory usage in opengl is impossible to nail down
22:27 <@JonnyH> You want that? Use vulkan :P
22:28  * sf_user just wants to put pixels on the screen :<
22:28 < sf_user> fast, preferably
22:29 <@JonnyH> Don't worry about texture memory then
22:29 <@JonnyH> Let the driver do it's thing
22:29 <@JonnyH> Double buffer pre-frame changing info
22:30 <@JonnyH> Batch draws
22:30 < sf_user> but how do I cache then?
22:30 < sf_user> I need a texture (preferably a large one) to put my batched pixels to
22:30 <@JonnyH> Fixed size fifo? Tune it to openapoc usage instead of the hw limitations
22:31 <@JonnyH> even if you had a cap on how much 'free' memory you are using
22:31 <@JonnyH> Another app could come in and try to allocate more and cause your context to be killed
22:32 <@JonnyH> for android add a TRIM_MEMORY_RUNNING_LOW callback?
22:32 <@JonnyH> Add a shrinker kernel module? :P
22:33 < sf_user> a kernel module to run an app? that's an interesting way to do things :p
22:34 <@JonnyH> Unfortunately 'memory use' is an extremely platform-specific issue
22:34 <@JonnyH> the memtrackhal can do per-process GPU stats on android too
22:34 <@JonnyH> (Though that's reliant on the driver actually filling it with useful info - which isn't something you can rely on -_-)
22:35 < sf_user> oh, it ran for a solid couple of seconds! and did it kinda fast!
22:36 < sf_user> crashed with oom pretty fast, though
22:36 <@JonnyH> :D
22:37 < sf_user> pretty sure it also screwed something up big time, so I won't be able to view videos until a reboot
22:37 <@JonnyH> huehuehue, nvidia driver :P
22:37 < sf_user> *qualcomm
22:38 < sf_user> nvidia is not gles3-capable, and is thus just used for books and videos and openxcom :p
22:43 < sf_user> yeah, it still OOMs fairly fast, and hiccups will occur each time there's something new on the screen, but it *seems* more fluid
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22:50 < sf_user> anyway, it's about time I went to sleep. Still very happy that i could get the renderer to work, couldn't have done it without you :>
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22:51 <@JonnyH> Night
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15:43 < Skin36_> hi  JonnyH
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15:43 <@JonnyH> hey
15:45 < Skin36> I think I found the projectiles images
15:47 <@JonnyH> Nice :D
15:52 < Skin36> there are two images in succession. Maybe it's the tail?
15:52 <@JonnyH> Maybe?
15:52 <@JonnyH> I wouldn't be surprised if there were more than 2 for some?
15:52 <@JonnyH> Like the missiles?
15:54 < Skin36> the first image is always 36 bytes, the second is always 9 bytes
15:54 <@JonnyH> huh, weird...
15:55 < Skin36> http://f6.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLW8.png
15:55 <@JonnyH> Those 255s look weird
15:55 <@JonnyH> for everything else 0 is transparent
15:56 < Skin36> http://f2.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLW9.png
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15:56 <@JonnyH> Maybe it's not image pixels, but some kind of data describing how to draw the image?
15:57 < Skin36> need to think
15:57 <@JonnyH> Or some kind of LUT - like the 'shadow' images?
15:58 < Skin36> http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLWb.png
16:00 < Skin36>  im seen rojectiles images, its 9x3
16:01 < Skin36> sorry 12x3=36
16:01 < Skin36> all right
16:02 <@JonnyH> Maybe 255 == transparent in this special case
16:02 < Skin36> http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLWd.png
16:02 <@JonnyH> and it does a screenspace rotation of the sprite? I guess ~36 pixels would be possible even on an old 486
16:02 < Skin36> Maybe
16:02 <@JonnyH> The tail there is ~4 pixels high in parts though?
16:03 <@JonnyH> Maybe translate the 3x12 numbers through a palette and see what colours you get?
16:03 <@JonnyH> See if it matches an expected projectile?
16:03 <@JonnyH> Sorry, but I've gotta go afk for a bit...
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17:53 < Skin36> I reported to this problem
17:53 < Skin36> http://f5.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLWj.png
17:53 < Skin36> text cutting
17:54 < Skin36> but in xml 400 pixel
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, it just stops at the V?
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> no idea why...
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe a bad character...
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18:05 < Skin36_> http://f6.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLWk.png
18:05 < Skin36_> see on it
18:05 < Skin36_> bad character jast missing
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18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I might actually merge in the savegame stuff in a bit...
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> It's just missing the vehicle mission stuff
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18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Wait, I'll need to fix the non-novice bases first...
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Hey pmprog_afk 
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19:02 <@pmprog_afk> Hey JonnyH`Work, hopefully will be back in a bit
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20:23 <@pmprog> JonnyH`Work: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/17/imagination_layoff/ Sounds grim, though the hike in share price sounds very confusing
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Public companies are weird :P
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> This entire thing is a 'shareholder revolt'
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> so of course if they get what they want they'll be more 'willing' to keep the shares and not sell
20:24 <@pmprog> That's a bit crazy
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, they're kinda pissed apple didn't buy us at the silly 7-pound share price a couple of years back
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> And our recently-outed CEO had an obsession about ARM and wanted to be /exactly the same/ company
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> which is surely a losing proposition as you don't 'beat' an incumbent by doing exactly the same things :P
20:26 <@pmprog> D'oh
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> plus IMGWorks and IMGSystems (the majority of the people being 'reassigned') are at best vanity
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> and at worst a joke - in PowerVR IMGWorks attempts are finishing a SoC are literally laughable
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> as they keep getting ~50% of the way there and starting again...
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> like there've been 4 'new' versions of the thing since I joined
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> and not one has actually been 'finished'
20:27 <@pmprog> lol, sounds like my projects... Although 50% sounds too high for me ;-)
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Since IMGWorks has started their 'SoC' team ~7 years ago they have released...
20:28  * JonnyH`Work checks
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> zero products
20:29 <@pmprog> Wow, that's bad
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Like I said, they became a joke to the other teams
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> and that's like ~50% of the IMGWorks staff on that set of projects...
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> (They also do boards and testchips stuff like that, which while aren't perfect and often 'late', they actually _do_ things)
20:31 <@pmprog> You'd have thought they'd at least release *a* SoC, so they can find some real flaws and then work off that
20:31 <@pmprog> Perhaps you should convince them to put together an FPGA-SoC :)
20:31 <@pmprog> "No design required" ;)
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> That's one thing the 'boards' IMGWorks guys do, fpgas
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> but GPUs are *massive*, only the smallest one we do fits on the biggest FPGA available
20:35 <@pmprog> Well glue two FPGAs together ;)
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> We do
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> We have yet to successfully get more than 2 working together
20:35 <@pmprog> Three then! Do I have to think of everything for you? :D
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> without completely screwing up the timing
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> ^^
20:37 <@pmprog> I still look at my TurboChameleon and think I should have another go at FPGAs, but I always come back to the "what's the point when you can write software on a cheap RPi or somesuch"
20:37 <@pmprog> And considering none of the projects I tried to build for the Chameleon worked, and I don't know why, that doesn't help
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Whelp, on openapoc
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I can not actually save the game
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> and restore it back to the same state on load :D
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> which was the whole point of this massive exercise...
20:39 <@pmprog> Oh dear. Do you know why/
20:39 <@pmprog> ?
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Wait..dumb error
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> hehe, HEHE, IT WORKS
20:40 <@pmprog> Amazing, talking to me fixes everything
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> It turns out 'save.zip' and 'save.zip.zip' are actually different files
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> *the more you know*
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, I've broken vehicle missions
20:42 <@pmprog> :)
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and I need to re-add all the buildings with possibly base layouts in the 'new' format...
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> and then merge into master...
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> And push
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> And probably break windows
20:43 < Pawlac_1> and add a secret loonix installer
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> OpenApoc slowly grows to inclue it's own OS...
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> It actualy works in msvc... :D
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> debug is crazy slow though... but we knew that
20:44 < Pawlac_1> wew
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Bah, I can't buy a Make America Great Again Trump cap on my visa...
21:25 <@pmprog> Right, I'm off, catch you later
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23:33 < Pawlac_1> what a shame
23:33 <@JonnyH`Work> huh?
23:34 < Pawlac_1> "Bah, I can't buy a Make America Great Again Trump cap on my visa.."
23:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh :)
23:35 <@JonnyH`Work> I was going to get one for my brother as a joke
23:41 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: I might merge in my savegame & data rework into master
23:41 <@JonnyH`Work> it's not 100% (specifially, vehicle missions are stubbed out)
23:41 < Pawlac_1> is your brother a bernie supporter? huheuheuehue
23:41 < SupSuper> we have vehicle missions?
23:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Pawlac_1: No, he is most definately not :P
23:41 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: We did :P
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> You didn't notice you could tell your craft to do stuff?
23:42 < Pawlac_1> hue
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and the 'ai' missions (specifically 'goto random building' constantly :)
23:43 < SupSuper> not really the ui was too laggy last i checked :p
23:43 <@JonnyH`Work> it's silky smooth 60fps here on my laptop...
23:43 <@JonnyH`Work> except the msvc debug build? Which is awful
23:44 <@JonnyH`Work> So.. with no missions the only state you can actually change is building facilities
23:44 <@JonnyH`Work> but that is correctly persisted :D
23:45 < SupSuper> did i ever fix the pointer havoc with building facilities? :P
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> errm...?
23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I changed that a bit when I added the StateREf<> stuff?
23:48 < SupSuper> woo!?
23:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, I'm off for the day
23:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Have a good evening
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18:51 < Skin36> hi SupSuper
18:51 < SupSuper> hey
18:52 < Skin36> whats news ?
18:52 < SupSuper> i think JonnyH`Away is getting ready to integrate the new save stuff
18:53 < Skin36> save stuff ? savegame ?
18:54 < SupSuper> yeah he's refactoring the game state so it can be easily loaded and saved
18:55 < SupSuper> i'll probably implement the base minimap after he's done with that
18:59 < Skin36> ok
18:59 < SupSuper> does the minimap actually update with the city state or is it always the same?
19:01 < Skin36> I think it is always the same
19:02 < Skin36> but you must check in the game
19:02 < SupSuper> i couldn't see any difference from testing
19:11 < Skin36> data maps seems to come from only with an initial map
19:11 < Skin36> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLWJ.png
19:12 < Skin36> *minimap
19:13 < SupSuper> yeah that makes sense
19:13 < SupSuper> they keep the initial map around for when the city "repairs" right
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20:38 < Pawlac_1> hmm out of curiosity, is it even possible to code a detection mechanism if the current save will be corrupt?
20:46 < SupSuper> checksum?
20:56 < Pawlac_1> well I mean ingame instead of when the player tries to load the save
20:57 < Pawlac_1> when the player tries to save the game it would eventually pop out a error that the save could be corrupt
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08:43 < Skin36> hi SupSuper
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11:42 < Solarius> Yeah, my typo. Sorry about the mess.
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14:49 <@JonnyH> Pawlac_1: Yeah, I was thinking of adding a checksum and version to the save games
14:49 <@JonnyH> so it'll warn if either don't match (loading 'old' or corrupt saves)
14:49 <@JonnyH> I don't want to completely block it as otherwise you'll need a tool to re-compute the checksums if you want to edit your save
15:00 <@JonnyH> We already 'pack' saves into .zip files which have their own checksum....
15:00 <@JonnyH> Not sure if we actually check them though :P
15:27 < Pawlac_1> ah very well
15:28 <@JonnyH> Currently 'saves' are a _complete_ store of all state
15:28 <@JonnyH> So they effecftively 'include' any mods / the initial apoc game information
15:28 <@JonnyH> I'm not sure if this is good (it's about ~300k per save, probably won't grow *too* much, maybe 2x that if you're in a battle)
15:29 <@JonnyH> Or if I should make them relative... IE 'to load this you much first install Mod_Something_version_whatever)
15:30 < Pawlac_1> so if the mods changed some values during a update, does the save take that into account?
15:30 <@JonnyH> No, all mods would be 'instant snapshots' from when you started a game
15:30 <@JonnyH> If you make them 'relative' you would probably need some versioning thing
15:31 <@JonnyH> which would be more work for the mod developer, to decide if a change would work for 'current' save games after an update or not
15:31 <@JonnyH> but it would be possible to pull saved games 'forward'
15:31 < Pawlac_1> well for the mods it could probably use something like a migration script
15:31 <@JonnyH> Remember, this is still 'version one' - I expect these things to be tweaked
15:32 <@JonnyH> Some limited things could be changes ('new' objects, deleting objects, changing object 'values')
15:32 < Pawlac_1> so that the saves still works and would still keep the old entity when the mod decided it to change its same for whatever reason
15:32 < Pawlac_1> name*
15:33 <@JonnyH> but more complex stuff (removing an object 'type' when it has instantiated versions, pretty much any change to the save format itself) wouldn't work
15:33 <@JonnyH> I'm probably going to run with what I've got at the minute (NO live changes for mods)
15:33 <@JonnyH> as that's simplist
15:34 <@JonnyH> and when we're closer to actually *making* mods I can canvas what people actually want to do with them
15:35 < Pawlac_1> yeah I've seen at the forum already you got already a "mods" forum
15:35 <@JonnyH> I think that's mostly "crazy mod ideas that probably won't help the game at all" :P
15:36 <@JonnyH> Things are changing too much to actually *start* writing mods at the minute...
15:36 <@JonnyH> We're still early on implementing the original apoc behaviour - so any design we have now will probably change before that's complete
15:36 < Pawlac_1> yeah you din't even added the battle stuff yet
15:36 <@JonnyH> Though a lot of that is pretty much the 'same' as the city
15:36 <@JonnyH> a lot isn't...
15:37 <@JonnyH> and even then a lot of current behaviour isn't 'accurate'
15:37 < Pawlac_1> too bad that the copyright holder of the apoc source code doesn't bother releasing it
15:38 <@JonnyH> We asked
15:38 < Pawlac_1> how did they replied?
15:38 <@JonnyH> It's easier for them to say 'no' - no risk to them
15:38 < Pawlac_1> oh lawdy
15:38 <@JonnyH> Sup asked
15:38 < Pawlac_1> welp I hope they change their mind in the future
15:39 <@JonnyH> I doubt it...
15:39 < Pawlac_1> after all the source code of Stalker COP is out there and Serious Sam Engine 1 as well
15:39 <@JonnyH> These companies are more into avoiding risk than helping projects like ours :P
15:39 <@JonnyH> and xcom ownership is a massive clusterfuck...
15:39 <@JonnyH> which always makes lawyers ansty
15:40 < Pawlac_1> so it is not even clear who owns the source code right of apoc?
15:40 <@JonnyH> not really
15:40 < Pawlac_1> damn
15:41 <@JonnyH> Mythos went bankrupt, I assume their assets were sold off then (if not before)
15:41 <@JonnyH> and I doubt 'old game sourcecode' actually had a value as part of that
15:42 <@JonnyH> they were more interested in series rights etc.
15:42 <@JonnyH> so the ownership may magically have disappeared then
15:42 <@JonnyH> (Assuming the code wasn't lost - code management in some of these companies sounds terrible, especially before availability of *good* free scm tools)
15:43 <@JonnyH> Interviews suggest apoc was developed by people passing found floppy disks after updating their code :P
15:43 < Pawlac_1> heh that reminds me, that according to a few stories monolith HQ got robbed which resulted also the loss of Blood 1 source code
15:47 < Pawlac_1> well for the save game I guess that has to work for now, till a better solution is found when the game is more "stable" so to speak.
15:59 <@JonnyH> you can already see some example 'mods' :P
15:59 <@JonnyH> I'm using the same system to correct/add data from the 'original binary' data extractors
16:00 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/savegame/data/difficulty1_patch.zip
16:00 <@JonnyH> for example
16:00 <@JonnyH> adds base layouts to buildings
16:00 <@JonnyH> It's not the most 'human readable' format though - it might be worth getting a tool to view and edit that...
16:05 < Pawlac_1> ye, it looks a bit "stuffy" in my opinion
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16:28 <@JonnyH> It's a direct map of the internal data structures
16:29 <@JonnyH> We can't really do much 'better' without an order of magnitude more work
16:29 <@JonnyH> You don't actually 'need' to have different xml files, you can just replace the <xi:include> tags with the contents of the file
16:29 <@JonnyH> anyway, afk
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17:54 < Skin36> hi
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> hi Skin36
17:58 < Skin36> I'm a little understood with drawing projectiles
17:58 < Skin36> Airguard Anti-Air Cannon
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> A little > no understandring
17:59 < Skin36> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLXy.png
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> So it's a list of coloured sprites?
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> 0xff = no sprite
18:00 < Skin36> below a screenshot of the game, the top of the draw I According to the data
18:00 < Skin36> yes
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> So there must be a list of the sprites in ordeR?
18:01 < Skin36> as shadows
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Or is the first one 'special' and all the others the same?
18:02 < Skin36> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLXz.png
18:03 < Skin36> http://f5.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLXA.png
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> So I can see how that's drawn from the 8th sprite onwards
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> How does it know not to draw the first 7? Or are they just drawn differently somehow?
18:05 < Skin36> sprites overlap the top
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I've gotta go for a bit
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Remember to write this up :P
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I will try to look at this this weekend
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> but probably won't be able to put in any time before that
18:07 < Skin36> in fact of the matter is that the offset is not the same
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> ...does 'tail_length' actually say how many sprites there are or something?
18:08 < Skin36> but I'm sure that this is exactly projectiles data
18:08 < Skin36> yes
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> cool...
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I can work with this...
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Can you list the offsets and bytes (so I can search for them in my .exe)
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe in the forum?
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Along with the struct definition for that?
18:09 < Skin36> depending on the direction, simply change the sequence of sprites
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> So I can 'extract' the sprites
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, I've gotta run now
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Back in a couple of hours (if you're still around then)
18:09 < Skin36> kk
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18:10 < Skin36> ok
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19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Hey SupSuper 
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW, possibly related to the discussion on #openxcom
19:46 < SupSuper> people are crazy? :p
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> my 'current' save game (with the whole city state) is ~400k .zipped
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> or 19mb decompressed
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> The 'original' saves were 
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> ..~1.8 mb (390k for my example compressed for apple-to-apple comparison)
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> or ~4mb in a tac game (~750 kb compressed, not yet got the equivalent for openapoc w/no tac game yet)
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> AKA we're pretty much equally efficient as the original game
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe a factor of 2 at most for the data we're currently missing
19:50 < SupSuper> nice
19:50 < SupSuper> and that's in xml i assume :p
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> ~19mb of evil xml
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> and that's the 'full' state, it doesn't require the initial state to load games
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> so probably half of that could be discarded if we require that as a reference.. but that's more work atm
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20:01 < Skin36> I wrote a post on the forum
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> great, thanks!
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Huh, the first two image links don't seem to work?
20:02 < Skin36> one parameter of the function. Maybe this direction?
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, they have the '.' at the end - I guess that's not right :)
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, they work if you delete the '.'
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it might just use 'last position' for the sprites actually - I seem to remember the 'tail' curving as missiles turn?
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe I'm mis-remembering though...
20:04 < Skin36> hm
20:05 < Skin36> sprites rather primitive
20:13 < Skin36>  hm thes offset...
20:14 < Skin36> index = *(_DWORD *)(&projectile_image[*(_DWORD *)&v1->free_flag >> 16].field_0
20:14 < Skin36>                                   + (*(_DWORD *)&v19[2] >> 16)) >> 24;
20:14 < Skin36> its offset+(*(_DWORD *)&v19[2] >> 16)) >> 24
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> blerg, no idea what that is without context...
20:16 < Skin36> its array v19[6]
20:17 < Skin36> I can not understand what it
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20:52 < Think> Well hello again!
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Hey there Think
20:52 < Think> Long time no type
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Brace yourselves
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21:00 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0731e7c Jonathan Hamilton: Big savegame state re-work...
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21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not 100%
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> but it won't get better if it's just sitting in a branch :)
21:10 < SupSuper> says the guy with 100 branches
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Hey, now, it's only 97
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> and most of them are merged
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> or abandoned and replaced....
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> So, vehicle equipment & vehicle missions are still 'todo' for the serialization
21:14 < SupSuper> the branch whisperer
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I /think/ everything else should work...
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21:33 < Think> Gotta love that crappy Internet
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I have comcast...
21:38 < Think> I have never been pleased with Comcast
21:38 < Think> Don't know about you.
21:38 < Think> But good job on the Save Games!
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> It actually regresses some stuff in the short-term...
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> But it was getting annoying keeping it out of tree
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> blocking people doing other stuff if they know everything's going to change...
21:42 < Think> Yep, well, it is a change for the better
21:42 < SupSuper> better do it now when you can count the dev team in one hand :p
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> one finger :P
21:43 < SupSuper> well, you can also count openxcom's dev team in one hand...
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm clearly less than 1/2 a real dev
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00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Damn portuguese
00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/03/game-dev-reveals-correlation-between-a-translation-and-a-regions-piracy/
00:02 < SupSuper> :p
00:03 < SupSuper> what, no russia?
00:04 < SupSuper> oh it's the blue one
00:06 <@JonnyH`Work> From what I can see: If you want to make money, just translate it to german
00:06 < SupSuper> tbf, have they tried buying games in brazil?
00:06 < SupSuper> not fun
00:06 < SupSuper> i love how portugal is basically invisible though
00:08 <@JonnyH`Work> same with the UK...
00:08 <@JonnyH`Work> We take overall amount of activations minus legit sales per platform minus 10% (to offset for people who activated a legit copy on more than 1 device).
00:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, if I was on that I would have 'pirated' it twice  - I have steam on 3 machines...
00:09 <@JonnyH`Work> and am constantly deleting and re-downloading stuff...
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15:01 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 82c7d8c Jonathan Hamilton: Update translations - pull all strings into one file
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16:42 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4dae271 Jonathan Hamilton: Remove travis 'make test' target...
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17:18 < Skin36_> hi
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17:32 < Skin36_> hi
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> hi Skin36_ 
17:34 < Skin36_> I was a little wrong with offsets
17:34 < Skin36_> the compiler did not link the beginning of array
17:35 < Skin36_> sprites
17:36 < Skin36_> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLY7.png
17:36 < Skin36_> projectile with a tail 7
17:37 < Skin36_> http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLY6.png
17:37 < Skin36_> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TLY8.png
17:38 < Skin36_> all correct
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18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Skin36_: Cool, make sure you update the forum
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't spare much time today myself
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20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I should throw some cjk/right-to-left languages at my i18n code and see what sticks...
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm thinking about shipping a unifont ttf or something as a glyph 'fallback', as the current solution (IE breaking if missing a glyph) isn't ideal
20:29 < SupSuper> cjk is easy. they don't even have spaces!
20:29 < SupSuper> rtl, on the other hand :p
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Or those weird unicode rtl switch codes... madness
20:30 < SupSuper> that's why you have ICU... oh right you threw it away
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> #include <harfbuzz.h> seems to be the only point
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> ICU doesn't do font _rendering_
20:30 < SupSuper> it does the bidi algorithm though
20:30 < SupSuper> which comes down to "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> It could be used for decomposition/normalization
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> but we still did out own 'layout' - and not sure if we can (or should) do that with a lib
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> as it'll probably start looking rather different from 'apoc'
20:36 < SupSuper> i don't think they do layout, just break strings into discrete segments and boundaries which you then handle on your own
20:37 < SupSuper> either way... even openxcom doesn't do rtl :p
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> RTL for a 'whole' label wouldn't be bad
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> but the switching codepoints? I don't even know what it should do...
20:39 < SupSuper> handling bidi isn't that hard. you get a bunch of words ("chunks") that you know the direction and px width of, then you then render each one, drawing its characters ltr or rtl accordingly
20:40 < SupSuper> the messy business is figuring out all those ltr/rtl chunks, what with special directional codepoints, direction-neutral characters, etc
20:41 < SupSuper> don't ask me how i know all this :p
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> OK, I'll just be left in the dark
20:42 < SupSuper> basically what you want a lib for is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-directional_text
20:42 < SupSuper> because it's nuts
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I think that chunking is done in pango on linux...
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Bah, every time I look at languages I just want to touch it less
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21:13 < SupSuper> i think it's pretty good for now. a ttf fallback would probably solve most issues
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> sdl_ttf doesn't seem to have a nuget package? 
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> That makes me a sad panda...
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> vc140 version only?
21:15 < SupSuper> *shrug*
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH the 'BitmapFont' class is really dumb
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> that *should* use the boost::locale (or pango, or icu, or whatever) breaking stuff to flow lines and kerning needs looking at
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> But first on my list is fixing the last couple of SaveGame state regressions
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Then maybe Skin36's work on projectile rendering
21:17 < SupSuper> so are they really hardcoded pixels?
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> hardcoded sprite lists
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> there's a table of sprites
21:18 < SupSuper> some things never change :p
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> and (TAIL_LENGTH) entries per (PROJECTILE_IMAGE)
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I could probably re-use my line drawing iterator from the collision code in screenspace to select the pixel centers
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> it should all magically work
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21:53 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 1ec7172 Jonathan Hamilton: Serialize vehicle equipment
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21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, that's one off the todo list :)
21:59 < SupSuper> am i gonna recognize the code when you're done? :p
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Just wait for when I rewrite it in haskell
22:00  * SupSuper shudders
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean *hopefully* thje serialization stuff should be relatively obvious
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> and I think the 'flattening' of the data structures is better than having weird inheritance
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> and allows more flexibility (Want a 'weapon' that gives you shields? Sure, why not!)
22:14 < SupSuper> hurray for blob classes
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22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> :D
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> it's the least worst way I can think of
22:30 < SupSuper> don't you just love it when you can write 100 lines and they work without a hitch, but write 10 lines and nothing works?
22:40 < SupSuper> i must be blind
22:40 < SupSuper> what am i doing wrong here: http://hastebin.com/yopezoguwo.cpp
22:40 < SupSuper> it's supposed to copy one image onto another, "tile by tile". but... it's not. at all
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> What's going wrong?
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks like it'll copy one 'line' then stop?
22:45 < SupSuper> it's only copying the last row of the source image onto the first row of the destination image
22:45 < SupSuper> i don't even know where to begin :p
22:50 < SupSuper> nm figured it out
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> oh?
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> http://sprunge.us/HNUF
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I tried to simplyfy it and it seems to print out sane stuff?
22:54 < SupSuper> void nextRect(SDL_Rect *rect, int w)
22:54 < SupSuper> {
22:54 < SupSuper> 	rect->x += rect->w;
22:54 < SupSuper> 	if (rect->x >= w)
22:54 < SupSuper> 	{
22:54 < SupSuper> 		rect->x = 0;
22:54 < SupSuper> 		rect->y += rect->h;
22:54 < SupSuper> 	}
22:54 < SupSuper> }
22:55 < SupSuper> the previous version went out of bounds once each row, which messed up the maths :p
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Aah, yes, :)
23:03 < SupSuper> boy that's gonna leave a mark on the gpu: http://i.imgur.com/xq1tsSQ.png
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> ~2mb in a u8 texture
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Not bad?
23:07 < SupSuper> that's only japanese
23:07 < SupSuper> i... think? god i have no idea what i'm doing
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02:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0dda03c Jonathan Hamilton: WIP re-adding missions since SaveGame rework
02:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 53646a3 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix extracted vehicle sprite directions...
02:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f8388ac Jonathan Hamilton: Use Vehicle direction instead of having a TileObject copy...
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05:34 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ebf1de5 Jonathan Hamilton: Reserve correct TileMap 'tiles' size at construction...
05:34 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3f61a80 Jonathan Hamilton: Avoid copying quite so many UStrings in the serialization code...
05:34 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master b05e0c0 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix apocfont error print if multiple codepoints...
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09:36 < kkmic> 1k+ commits... yay!
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11:21 < Skin36> yay!
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11:43 < sf{bad_alloc}> why do all these android devices tend to be so underpowered and/or have a really not nice OpenGL implementation?
11:45 < sf{bad_alloc}> looks like it takes me a nice 1 ms to unmap+unbind+draw+bind for two triangles
11:46 < sf{bad_alloc}> on the other hand, well, looks like drawing the whole city takes about 8ms...
11:48 < sf{bad_alloc}> (except that it happens during that unmap+unbind+draw+bind thingy, so there's a flush there somewhere)
11:49 < sf{bad_alloc}> at least it runs fairly fast even in visual studio with debug on my intel card...
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12:21 < sf{bad_alloc}> ...still, looks like there's a lot of stuff going on during the frame rendering (I've tried only rendering the "cache-friendly" stuff - city, etc - and the trace looks somewhat weird)
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14:48 <@JonnyH> hi sf{bad_alloc} 
14:49 <@JonnyH> Possibly related - a lot of the time for mobile gpus we're BW limited
14:49 <@JonnyH> so the 'cost' of doing a simple clear seems the same as a 'complex' shader
14:49 <@JonnyH> (Though reading textures etc. adds to this, depends on the tex cache too)
14:49 < sf{bad_alloc}> BW as in texture throughput?
14:50 <@JonnyH> BW as in textures in / pixels out
14:50 <@JonnyH> We 'share' the same memory bus to DDR as the cpu
14:50 <@JonnyH> and in the lpddr implementations that's often not much to get round
14:52 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, to be fair, if I disable *everything* but the cached drawing (so the map stays, but everything deemed "too large" is gone), I still get 120-140 ms per frame
14:53 < sf{bad_alloc}> and the draw call seems to take something like 8 ms
14:53 <@JonnyH> So that probably means it takees ~8ms for the cpu to generate the command buffers
14:53 <@JonnyH> the GPU probably starts working on it, but doesn't wait for that until the next weap?
14:54 <@JonnyH> s/wrap/swap/
14:55 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, 8ms is from the "cached" -> "immediate" test: "cached" takes almost no time, then "immediate" takes 8ms to complete - because I'm switching programs and changing state, forcing a flush
14:55 <@JonnyH> My god windows is bad at memory allocation...
14:56 <@JonnyH> I wasn't looking at serializeIn performance, as it takes like ~1/10 of a second on linux, even on debug
14:56 <@JonnyH> but the _release_ windows version throughh msvc takes ~50 seconds!
14:56 <@JonnyH> wtf
14:56 < sf{bad_alloc}> at least it draws stuff fast on my pc :v
14:57 <@JonnyH> "If I throw a 95watt i7 at it I don't have the same problems as a 2watt mobile device"
14:58 <@JonnyH> now my big RewriteEverythingForSavedGames has finished I might hve a bit more time to look at other stuff again
14:58 <@JonnyH> *maybe* :P
14:58 <@JonnyH> If I don't just continue with 'more' stuff
14:58 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, to be fair, that same 2watt mobile device is almost as slow at loading stuff as windows release in msvc :v
14:58 <@JonnyH> The stuff I pushed last night sped it up by like ~2x on windows
14:59 < sf{bad_alloc}> time to rebase!
14:59 <@JonnyH> *just* the game loading
14:59 <@JonnyH> not drawing
15:02 < sf{bad_alloc}> still a nice boost, faster cityscape leads to faster traces
15:03 < sf{bad_alloc}> anyway, do we by any chance do anything "expensive" in the cityscape rendering (beside the actual rendering commands)?
15:03 <@JonnyH> Not the rendering
15:04 <@JonnyH> but often the update loop doing path finding & collision detection isn't trivial
15:04 <@JonnyH> still quite a bit less than the rendering in my tests, but non-zero
15:04 < sf{bad_alloc}> still, it's separated in the traces, and looks like about 15-20 ms
15:04 < sf{bad_alloc}> which looks manageable
15:05 <@JonnyH> And that's an extreme version - it's likely you won't have all vehicles out all the time constly firing guns :)
15:10 <@JonnyH> For now you could probably test with 'zero' vehicles
15:10 <@JonnyH> get the batching working well for the city tiles
15:10 <@JonnyH> as the batch switching is something that can be improved (sharing texture atlases etc.)
15:10 < sf{bad_alloc}> care for a trace?
15:11 <@JonnyH> but if ths HW _cannot_ draw 720p worth of citymap tiles...
15:11 <@JonnyH> We might be stuck, no matter how 'efficiently' we submit them
15:11 < sf{bad_alloc}> right now I'm caching/batching everything (EVERYTHING) that's the same image type and is coming sequentially
15:11 < sf{bad_alloc}> https://yadi.sk/d/e_SUVVHrqRG9a
15:12 < sf{bad_alloc}> so if there's a loop pumping out rgbimages, they're all going into one batch, with the same texture and everything
15:12 < sf{bad_alloc}> and are drawn with a single draw call
15:12 <@JonnyH> RGB or Palette images?
15:12 < sf{bad_alloc}> both, actually
15:12 <@JonnyH> Palette is qutie a bit more efficient IIRC
15:12 <@JonnyH> like 1/3 the bw (1/4 + palette)
15:12 < sf{bad_alloc}> yeah, meant palette
15:13 <@JonnyH> RGBImage should only be the UI?
15:13 < sf{bad_alloc}> but actually they are both batched in the same batch
15:13 < sf{bad_alloc}> and rendered with a single draw call
15:13 <@JonnyH> Maybe attach whatever qcomm trace tools and see if you're shader/texture/pixel write bound?
15:14 < sf{bad_alloc}> (so yeah, there's some branching in a shader)
15:14 <@JonnyH> branch == both are always run :)
15:14 < sf{bad_alloc}> no dynamic branching for me?
15:15 <@JonnyH> No, not on GPUs
15:16 <@JonnyH> the way they (mostly) work is a block of shaders (SMX for nvidia, CU for amd, USSE for us) *must* be running the same instruction
15:16 <@JonnyH> so for a block of 32/64 pixels must always run the same shader
15:16 <@JonnyH> and if any single one of those hits any branch all must 'take' the branch (then discard the result)
15:17 <@JonnyH> some architectures can 'optimise' it away if *none* hit the branch
15:17 <@JonnyH> many don't bother
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15:23 <@JonnyH> Anyway, off to work
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15:24 < sf{bad_alloc}> looks like I'll have to reboot to get the actual profiling data... (decided to "update" the ndk package on windows -> stuck with some broken tools)
15:26 < sf{bad_alloc}> (seriously, it's like no one at google even bothers to look at the state of their own toolkit... do they even use their own stuff?)
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15:27 <@JonnyH`Work> We're currently fighting a problem where the clang checked-in to the M codebase generates bad code on x86_64
15:27 <@JonnyH`Work> like grade-A braindead code...
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15:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Like their default compiler now sometimes just causes everything to explode, madness...
15:34 < sf{bad_alloc}> all of 64 bit architectures are now officially broken
15:34 < sf{bad_alloc}> (they fail on numeric.cpp from boost in clang-3.8)
15:35 <@JonnyH`Work> I meam come on Google...
15:35 < sf{bad_alloc}> (that's not to even mention that their "gradle-experimental" can't find a toolchain without a version number - just what they ship in the ndk)
15:35 < sf{bad_alloc}> and they deprecate gcc while they're at it
15:36 <@JonnyH`Work> GCC  still generated *much* better code than clang in many situations
15:36 <@JonnyH`Work> It's devirtualisation support is insane
15:36 <@JonnyH`Work> along with -fprofile-generate/-fprofile-use
15:36 <@JonnyH`Work> and -flto *actually working* :P
15:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Like I build openapoc with clang and the draw loop is like 1/3 the speed
15:37 <@JonnyH`Work> (that's why I devirtualised the renderer in the WIP/renderer2 branch - to try to avoid having to 'fix' that)
15:38 < sf{bad_alloc}> I'm not even talking about an IDE that wants no less than 8gb of memory just for OpenApoc + dependencies and _still_ can't fucking handle #include_next
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15:40 <@JonnyH`Work> ...vim? :P
15:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Recommending vim is like you asking for a table, and me giving you a saw and a tree :P
15:43 < sf{bad_alloc}> I'm seriously considering it actually, after all the bullshit in the android studio
15:43 <@JonnyH`Work> We internally use our own build system, even for 'apps'
15:43 <@JonnyH`Work> just because trying to integrate with android is such a pain
15:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Adding stuff to the android system build isn't too bad (the Android.mk is cool)(
15:44 <@JonnyH`Work> but no help if you're not rebuilding the whole platform every time you change a library
15:45 < sf{bad_alloc}> oh, they've deprecated .mk files some time ago (you can still use them, of course, but you're gonna be jumping through hoops to get there)
15:46 < sf{bad_alloc}> AND it makes the whole "ide" thing not much better than a notepad when dealing with native code
15:46 <@JonnyH`Work> They convert them to ninja files using kati atm
15:46 <@JonnyH`Work> the output of that is pretty much the same thing in a slightly different format, functionally the same from my view
15:48 <@JonnyH`Work> my vim currently is usig 40mb ram
15:48 <@JonnyH`Work> which is large if you think about it :P
15:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably youcompleteme  and other scripts...
15:49 < sf{bad_alloc}> I'm somewhat afraid to look at the indices size AS has built for itself over the course of several hours (and several OOM errors)
15:51 < sf{bad_alloc}> (okay, MAYBE I should've put boost and icu in separate projects)
15:51 <@JonnyH`Work> so? youcompleteme has indexed my whole /usr/include in that 40mb :P
15:52 <@JonnyH`Work> (Well, it does the heavy lifting to a file, and that's a few hundred mb :)
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15:54 < sf{bad_alloc}> so far android studio ate ~1.4 gb of storage for its caches (that of course DON'T include .o files, that's per-project stuff) and indices
15:54 < sf{bad_alloc}> guess they use vim/emacs there as well
15:55 < Skin36_> forum update
16:02 <@JonnyH`Work> thanks Skin36_ 
16:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I also imported the translation changes you mentioned, thanks!
16:26 < Skin36_> algorithm motion of projectiles you yourself can implement?
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16:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I think so
16:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the line drawing is done in screenspace
16:27 <@JonnyH`Work> and we can project a direction vector into screenspace and use my line-drawing iterator to find the 'center' of each sprite
16:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Not too hard, but non-zero either
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16:51 < Skin36_> we have a big problem with the text. In ufopedia any text other than English is cut. And it does not depend on the glyphs.
17:27 < sf{bad_alloc}> profiler shows some 180 mb/s texture BW, a lot of cache misses (well, that's kinda expected)
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> per frame?
17:28 < sf{bad_alloc}> per second, I believe
17:28 < sf{bad_alloc}> so 18 mb/frame
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's reaching 10fps then?
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> 18mb isn't too bad - what's the res? 720p?
17:29 < sf{bad_alloc}> yeah, close to it (minus the softkeys)
17:30 < sf{bad_alloc}> but that's only the cityscape, and without the vehicles
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> the full screen is ~4mb
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> having a 3-4x overdraw is pretty good
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I doubt that's texture bw limited
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Is the shader core on 100%? Or is it cpu limited?
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> lpddr3 at 32bit (probably the smallest you'll see) is around 4 gigabytes/sec
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> so that's clearly not the bottleneck :P
17:39 < sf{bad_alloc}> sequential or random? okay, somehow measuring shaders busy percentage instantly crashes the app
17:39 < sf{bad_alloc}> ~quality tools~
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bad_alloc}: worse case
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> 'best case' would be more like 6.4gbps
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> for lpddr3 800mhz 32-bit wide
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> and graphics /tends/ to be quite good for reading data in blocks
18:07 < sf{bad_alloc}> putting trace_fn in hot functions does not do me any favors in terms of trace size
18:08 < sf{bad_alloc}> still, it *seems* to be more reliable than any profiler so far
18:09 < Skin36_> display projectiles slightly different, maybe it's something like animation?
18:11 < sf{bad_alloc}> https://yadi.sk/d/KzzKaY8xqRXha
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> chrome supports gzipping the trace files
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> you *might* be able to do something clever like a thread runs in the background outputting a double-buffered trace buffer to a file (while the other is being written to)
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I just *really* wanted to ensure the tracer wouldn't block the running thread in any way
18:15 < sf{bad_alloc}> it's good enough as it is (though it requires explicit flush on android, because the libraries never get properly unloaded, and any non-local variable will not get properly destroyed)
18:17 < sf{bad_alloc}> (that is actually a nice source of bugs in OpenXcom for android - there are some vectors with options that are assumed to be empty at "startup", whereas they actually might not be)
18:20 < sf{bad_alloc}> I *really* don't like the look of all these empty spaces between the cacheImage calls - should try tracing the draw()s as well
18:22 < sf{bad_alloc}> though maybe it's just that I'm trying to be "clever" and only render visible objects, but am not actually clever enough
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> If you only ever use TRACE_FN (and thus LOGGER_PREFIX)
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> the strings are statically allocated in the rodata seciton
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> so we could keep a const char* to that in the TraceEvent
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> instead of a copy of the string
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> (which might save a lot)
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> and you might be able to reduce the EventType enum to a single bit (though with nothing to pack it with it'll be a byte)
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe use the top bit of uint64_t timeNS?
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Won't stop the output json being huge though :)
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18:25 < sf{bad_alloc}> memory-wise? It's eating up memory for sure, but not *extremely* fast, so I have quite enough time to gather some data and exit the game nicely
18:25 < sf{bad_alloc}> (as opposed to getting oom-killed)
18:26 < sf{bad_alloc}> up to a couple of minutes on a fresh device restart :v
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, that quarters the size of the in-memory trace size for me :)
18:27 < sf{bad_alloc}> so, 8 minutes then? :>
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Could save another 8 bytes (64-bit here so from 48->40 bytes) by doing the bit packing for the enum
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe another 8 by making the 'args' optional..
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> so from ~120 bytes or so (72 + the string length)
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> to 40
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> minimum I guess on 32 bit would be 16 bytes? 2x pointers (name, args) + uint64_t time
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> so maybe ~5x max?
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> If it's the size of output file you care about
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> make the ~TraceManager() ostream pipe through gzip
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> it compresses _really_ well :P
18:32 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, to be honest right now I care about the contents of the file, which really don't look particularly inspiring (90-110 ms to render an empty city)
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> IF you can do fancy multithreading & trace pool 'swapping' you could probably write it out(compressed) live easily enough
18:32 < sf{bad_alloc}> it still updates for 10 ms, but that I can probably live with
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> TRy playing with thge tread pool?
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> On some platforms threading was a big win
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> some... less so :P
18:34 < sf{bad_alloc}> tracing shows threadpool being used only during the load phase... I guess threading isn't there for the rest of the code?
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> The collision detection is threaded
18:35 < sf{bad_alloc}> oh, just not in the trace then?
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18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> errm...?
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> City::update::projectiles->update in the trace
18:37 < sf{bad_alloc}> uh... how do we spend ~8-10ms in City::update::vehicles->update with no one flying in the city?
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Do they not launch?
18:39 < sf{bad_alloc}> I just don't add them
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> so there shouldn't be any vehicles to update?
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Raather than vehicles existing, but not yet launched?
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Depending on the VehicleMission they could keep /trying/ to launch
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> which includes attempting to find paths
18:41 < sf{bad_alloc}> https://github.com/sfalexrog/OpenApoc/blob/master/game/gamestate.cpp#L52 <- is this the only loop where the vehicles get added?
18:43 < sf{bad_alloc}> this one I've disabled, maybe there's some another place with vehicles?
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Aah, that's all changed :P
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> as the SaveGame rework now serialized in a 'base' state, then starts it up
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> like 117 loop also adds some xcom vehicles
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but they should have no 'mission' unless you give them one
18:45 < sf{bad_alloc}> I'm still pre-savegame
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I need to think how that'll interact w/android
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> where to keep saves etc.
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Should they be backed up?
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18:47 < sf{bad_alloc}> I'd say "screw it, just go the easy route" and put them in a folder on an sdcard
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> so.. currently it writes to $(pwd)/save.zip
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> no 'file selection' yet
18:48 < sf{bad_alloc}> why not localdatadir/save.zip? or something like that
18:49 < sf{bad_alloc}> or maybe just make a userdir with configs and saves
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> simplicity for testing more than anything, as I know it's going to be replaced
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> physfs already exports a 'user-writable' config dir
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> ~/.local/share/openapoc on linux
18:49 < sf{bad_alloc}> (better check if that's the case on android...)
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> %appdata%/roaming/openapoc on windoes
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> probably something terribly wrong on android...
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> It's where we write openapoc.cfg
18:53 < sf{bad_alloc}> theoretically it should be at /data/data/package.name.from.java for small files, /sdcard/Android/package.name.from.java for anything relatively large (like data and cd.iso?)
18:54 < sf{bad_alloc}> right now I just let the user decide where he wants to put his data, because I don't really believe in system-specified paths :p
18:55 < sf{bad_alloc}> (I kinda want to know where my stuff is, even though I really really don't need it)
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> but having a 'sane default' makes sense
18:55 < sf{bad_alloc}> ENV_EXTERNAL_STORAGE_DIR/openapoc
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I would expect cd.iso to be the only 'large' file
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> the data is a few mb at most
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> and will be very tightly bound to the .exe version
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> so probably should be packaged with that
18:57 < sf{bad_alloc}> you gotta specify the .iso path anyway, I'm not moving it anywhere, storing the path instead (and injecting it at boot time)
18:59 < sf{bad_alloc}> actually, at the first start you have to specify where you want to keep your data and where the iso is located, subsequent boots will skip the configuration stage entirely
18:59 < sf{bad_alloc}> (much like openxcom... I guess that should count as "sane"?)
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> no comment :P
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Really it should integrate into play services for the saved game state
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> all the data should be in the .apk other than the iso
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> which is the only thing we don't "own" - otherwise it'll be a secondary download through the market
19:02 < sf{bad_alloc}> it already is, actually
19:02 < sf{bad_alloc}> I'm packing the data folder into the assets, then unpack it when you specify the folder
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Then the apk should be added as a data source for the physfs backend
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> and we can load them without unpacking?
19:03 < sf{bad_alloc}> doesn't really work like that
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> :'(
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> I know some of the .apk is extraced into /data
19:04 < sf{bad_alloc}> the best you can get is a Java stream which is not random-access
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> if we can read the .apk it's just a zip...
19:05 < sf{bad_alloc}> SDL technically lets you have an SDL_RWops for an asset
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> same with physfs, could could wrap AssetManager in some jni code to access through that
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> re-implement IFile (framework/fs.cpp) for android?
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> SDL_rwops aren't needed as we just pass IFiles to lodepng?
19:07 < sf{bad_alloc}> but its fseek implementation is just what you'd expect: read the stream for the required amount of bytes, stop; if we need to rewind, close the stream, reopen the stream, read until at the right place
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> We don't rewind in our data loading :P
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> the only 'random' access is the data extraction
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> and you would run that as part of the build, not on device
19:08 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, maybe that *can* work, though, again, AssetManager would only provide you an InputStream
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> We'll need to abstract the write stuff too, nothing does much writing (yet?) so it's just a mishmash of stdlib
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> if you can implement a c++ std::istream with that it'll work
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> you don't need to implement the seek stuff or rewind for the istream
19:19 < sf{bad_alloc}> basically, SDL2 handles it already: https://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/file/e12c38730512/src/core/android/SDL_android.c#l852
19:20 < sf{bad_alloc}> (huh, looks like it works with file descriptors as well! that's nice to have, I guess)
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19:22 < sf{bad_alloc}> creation seems to be transparent as well: https://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/file/e12c38730512/src/file/SDL_rwops.c#l466
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19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog 
19:23 <@pmprog> Morning JonnyH`Work, he's things?
19:23 <@pmprog> *how's
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19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Good
19:24 <@pmprog> Glad to hear
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Merged a whole load of crazy saved game stuff to master
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> so now you can keep your state and show your friends!
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> It even first on a single floppy to make sharing that much easier
19:25 <@pmprog> Brilliant!
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> You can even test it today!
19:25 <@pmprog> Great work
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> 'save' in the in game options menu outputs 'save.zip' (file selection still TODO :)
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> and load from the main menu restores it
19:27 < sf{bad_alloc}> androids are still being slow though (but maybe it's just that my devices are crappy/outdated)
19:27 <@pmprog> Sounds like a v1.0 is just around the corner ;-)
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I just need to re-add the support stuff
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure if I should re-add the 'not correct' old version
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> or try to do it properly now we know more about the tile data format..
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> And Skin36_'s done a lot of work in figuring out how the 'real' projectiles are rendered
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> enough so we can probably implement it today :D
19:29 <@pmprog> Nice work Skin36!
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> I think that'll be a big thing, as it clearly doesn't look "right"
19:33 <@pmprog> The closest thing I've got to development was uploading a more recent video of my JANE game/engine, which I haven't even developed for months :)
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Ooh, videos, that's not something I've looked at in a while...
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I suppose saying "Now we can save! And it looks /exactly/ the same as before" doesn't sound too fancy
19:35 <@pmprog> :) But still progress... I'll post to facebook
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> and looks like the trace buffer isn't always flushed on linux either..
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I got truncated json
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19:37 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vabLS
19:37 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master bb1f06d Jonathan Hamilton: Explicitly flush trace buffer on exit...
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19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> (that also makes the output slightly smaller by removing the 'args' key if there are no args supplied)
19:38 <@pmprog> Wow, already got a like on the news post!
19:38 <@pmprog> Almost like they were waiting for it :D
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> It hasn't even come up on my notifcations :P
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> That's fast
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> (or a bot :)
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19:40 <@pmprog> I've also added you as an admin to the page
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, I *do* like abusing power...
19:41 <@pmprog> :D
19:41 <@pmprog> Don't wreck everything, I'll be back (hopefully)
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19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> oops...
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
19:45  * sf{bad_alloc} looks at the openapoc fb page, sees post about android port
19:46 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, that's gonna be playable in a couple of years, with much faster android devices :v
19:47 < sf{bad_alloc}> speaking of, maybe I should finally post on a forum (and eventually forget that the thread exists)
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> The 'android device' on my desk is a intel i7 w/8gb ram
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> and a plug in testchip
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume that'll run it ok :P
19:54 < sf{bad_alloc}> min sys requirements right here
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I dread to think what'll happen if you put an 84w i7 in a tablet body
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Last 10 seconds on battery
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> and start glowing with heat by the end of that...
19:55 < sf{bad_alloc}> are there android devices that don't do that? :v
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> the snapdragon 810?
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> no... wait...
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19:58 <@pmprog> I've seen "gaming laptops" with desktop i7's in... Apparently they run for 20 minutes when not connected to the mains
19:59 < sf{bad_alloc}> also, intel's windows gl drivers are still weird: my current gles3 renderer can run with a gles3 or gl3.3 context (+TexStorage* extensions), and it produces images with different gamma values for gles and gl
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I have a 'laptop' a quad core i7 and radeon :P
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Lasts maybe ~2 hours actually doing stuff on it?
20:00 < sf{bad_alloc}> the only difference is a "primitive restart" thingy being fixed index on gles3, explicit on gl3.3
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Honestly, with the intel windows drivers *anything* could happen
20:01 < sf{bad_alloc}> even nvidia's drivers act much better
20:02 < sf{bad_alloc}> (not even flipping the image, surprisingly enough)
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, that's an attempt at a 'bug fix' for some games
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> hence it being 'fixed' if you rename the exe to quake3.exe :P
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> At least I assume so :P
20:04 <@pmprog> Surely the dev who managed to render his screen upside down must have got fired
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20:04 <@pmprog> I'd be otherwise upset
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> There's a non-zero chance that 'old' drivers did it wrong
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> so when the games were being developed they looked right
20:05 <@pmprog> Oh, okay, as crazy as it sounds
20:05 <@pmprog> Getting a lot of feedback on the save post, must be a well enjoyed feature of XCOM games :-)
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> driver engineer: "Looks fine to me!" http://i.imgur.com/kCXwgqA.jpg
20:06 < sf{bad_alloc}> fwif renaming openapoc.exe to quake3.exe just outright crashes the game
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> hah, probably hits some other 'optimisation' for quake3 then
20:06 <@pmprog> try doom2.exe
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> doom2 was pre-glquake right?
20:06 < sf{bad_alloc}> maybe it doesn't expect quake to create a gles3 context :p
20:07 < sf{bad_alloc}> pre-gl-for-simple-human-beings rather
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I normally use ID titles for those kinds of crazy-workarounds
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> as they /tended/ to do things *right*
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> and work with driver companies to fix them it not, instead of doing weird things in their app
20:07 < SupSuper> or rather they were the *only* ones that cared about gl :p
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I suppose :P
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Outside of mobile at least
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> and those drivers are a clusterf**ck
20:13 < sf{bad_alloc}> mobiles are even more fun since they tend to not be updated - at least, not nearly as often and effortlessly as on desktops
20:14 < sf{bad_alloc}> sometimes my n4 would just flat-out refuse to draw *anything*, complaining about swapBuffers call
20:14 < sf{bad_alloc}> a couple of restarts later everything is fine
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Then again the number of times I see a post saying "Don't update your drivers - it break X,Y,Z!" on desktop...
20:14 <@pmprog> Has anyone looked at the Wileyfox phones? I was tempted in getting the Swift
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> snapdragon410 - still beholden to qcomm for driver updates...
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Though see how the adreno reveng is working on mesa :P
20:16 < sf{bad_alloc}> swift the language? :p
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> swift on android?
20:16 < sf{bad_alloc}> basically, the rule of thumb in the android world is "just use a nexus"
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> My n5x keeps killing it's bluetooth...
20:16 <@pmprog> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wileyfox-Swift-Dual-SIM-Free-Smartphone/dp/B014UUQUAO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1458764198&sr=8-2&keywords=wileyfox+swift
20:17 <@pmprog> It runs CyanogenOS...
20:17 <@pmprog> which is kinda like Android :)
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> so does my nexus :P
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> well, aosp/cyanogenmod
20:17 < sf{bad_alloc}> "dual sim-free smartphone"
20:18 < sf{bad_alloc}> something in this phrasing seems odd
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> is that even fewer sims than a single sim-free smartphone?
20:19 <@pmprog> :) It has two sim card slots, rather than one
20:19 < sf{bad_alloc}> right now adreno320 is running openapoc at about 8fps, maybe 10fps; I don't even want to think what would happen on 306 (which should be somewhat slower)
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> And presumably they wanted to show it's not locked?
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bad_alloc}: I'm still not sure it's GPU bound there...
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> so an adreno 320 with a FOMGFAST_CPU may be better
20:20 < sf{bad_alloc}> right now it's everything-bound for me
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> So what have we learned today about performance on mobile...
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> We don't know what the bottleneck is
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> and the profile tools are awful :P
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20:22 < sf{bad_alloc}> so, nothing new?
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> If you had a powervr system... You could discover how awful our tools are too!
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> We integrate basic stats into systrace though, so you could at least see gpu vertex/fragment load at the same time as cpu load...
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> anything fancier than that you have to use some crazy overdone GUI app that we in engineering avoid like the plague
20:25 < sf{bad_alloc}> oh, cpu load is easy :v
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> But it'll be miuch more useful to map that to GPU load on a per-render basis
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> if you replace the trace.h with systrace that'll appear too
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> (IT's the same 'format' as systrace output actually, just internally managed :)
20:30 < sf{bad_alloc}> like that? https://yadi.sk/i/pKUEH1sBqRhKC
20:30 < sf{bad_alloc}> (actually, gpu looks majorly underutilized, with occasional 100% spikes)
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, that doesn't look gpu bound
20:31 < sf{bad_alloc}> cpu... probably accounts for all four cores, whereas it looks like we only use 1-2 at most
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, the renderer is single-threaded
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> so if that's the bottleneck more cores won't help
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/EXPERIMENTAL/threaded-renderer
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> might help
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> so the renderer is on a separate thread
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> but that just means things other than rendering won't be blocked
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> not that the render is faster :P
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> goto vulkan
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> More likely trying to figure out why the qcomm driver doesn't like the current batching primitives and try to find a use pattern it likes
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> vulkan is like saying "my old 2cv won't go up this hill" so you replace it for a f1 car
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> when a slightly more powerful car would have been fine
20:35 < sf{bad_alloc}> wonder how a "null" renderer would perform...
20:36 < sf{bad_alloc}> (finding the "exit" button would be a lot of fun!)
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> just press esc?
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> is that wired up on the android keyboard?
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> If you wnat to be sneaky
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> drawing the RGBImages
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> but no palette images
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> will draw the UI and no city :P
20:42 < sf{bad_alloc}> now where did I put my usb host cable...
20:45 < sf{bad_alloc}> damn, doesn't look like my n4 can see the keyboard (pretty sure I've ended up with a non-usb-host kernel)
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> usb OTG is annoying...
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Tried a BT keyboard?
20:46 < sf{bad_alloc}> the one I have has a weird "home screen" button where the esc should have been (granted, I could just remap the button, but still)
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Setup another key too? like 'q' or something not otherwise used?
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Do we get SDL key events for 'back' etc.?
20:48 < sf{bad_alloc}> I believe we should, but probably some dark magic might be required (case in point: back button was used in OpenXcom for soldier turning before I did something and broke it)
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> ..Does writing to /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/trace_marker show up in android systrace?
20:49  * JonnyH`Work wonders...
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> soldier turning? Heh :P
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Add a 'hard mode' that randomises your key bindings and mouse mapping every start
20:51 < sf{bad_alloc}> actually, soldier turning was (in a way) what caused the OpenXcom port to crash - and what ultimately led me to work on it :p
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Seems like an odd thing to be platform specific...
20:51 < SupSuper> well it's a right-click...
20:52 < sf{bad_alloc}> long story short, page added handling finger events at some point, and was using those to detect swipes
20:53 < sf{bad_alloc}> if the origin of the swipe was the currently selected soldier, it'd be interpreted as a "look at" command
20:53 < sf{bad_alloc}> effectively "right-clicking" at the place where the swipe ended
20:54 < sf{bad_alloc}> except that if there was no selected soldier, the game would access a null pointer and crash
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> man, realtime using an awkward touchscreen interface is going to suck...
20:55 < sf{bad_alloc}> so every openxcom run back then was a "no losing people to reaction fire challenge" thing
20:56 < sf{bad_alloc}> yeah, realtime stuff on touchscreens is something in a long list of what I don't believe in :v
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Bullet hell often works quite well :)
20:57 < sf{bad_alloc}> can't really imagine how: you're either blocking the hitbox with your finger, or "pushing" on-screen buttons, never sure enough if your touch is registered or not
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> The 'best' ones I've seen is it acts as a relative things over whole screen
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> there's normally a rather silly dead area with scores etc. you can use
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> might be difficult on non-tablets though
20:59 < sf{bad_alloc}> like a "virtual joystick" where the origin point is where you originally pressed?
20:59 < sf{bad_alloc}> or a touchpad
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> touchpad
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> but you lift off and put down the finger somewhere else it doesn't move
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Like picking a mouse off a surface
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Actually I tried playing one on my nexus5 and the screen was kind a bit small to use dead areas properly...
21:03 <@pmprog> Right, I'm off. G'night
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22:21 < sf{bad_alloc}> Okay, no draw calls, return at once: STILL 60-70 ms!
22:22 < sf{bad_alloc}> (I mean, the draw consists literally of a "return" statement, it shouldn't do shit)
22:26 < sf{bad_alloc}> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-nEU5c76Peucl9nU3dmSHlqS2c/view?usp=sharing
22:38 < sf{bad_alloc}> okay, looks like I've found that one weird trick to cut that render time in half
22:39 < sf{bad_alloc}> https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/blob/master/game/tileview/tileview.cpp#L246 <- should read "for (auto &obj : tile->drawnObjects[layer])"
22:47 < SupSuper> this is why i don't like auto :p
22:51 < sf{bad_alloc}> yeah, std::map<std::string, std::vector<std::set<int> > >::iterator is much better :p
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23:20 < sf{bad_alloc}> down to 80ms per rendering pass with all graphics enabled, still some unstable frame times though
23:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Programmers Hate You!
23:29 <@JonnyH`Work> That should jsut be copying an sp<>
23:29 <@JonnyH`Work> not exactly heavyweight?
23:30 < sf{bad_alloc}> maybe arms don't like atomics?
23:30 <@JonnyH`Work> then I should be worried about the other 500 billionty places I copy sp<>...
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23:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master fdb6d36 Jonathan Hamilton: Apparently copying the sp<TileObject> here is costly?...
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23:34 < sf{bad_alloc}> my guess is that since there's a lot of iterations in the loop, you'll probably not want to do anything that's not completely essential inside
23:35 <@JonnyH`Work> but a single atomic CAS should be relatively small compared to a Vec2<float> constrction, 2 fadds and how ever many indirect humps
23:41 < SupSuper> well it's no raw pointer
23:41 < SupSuper> the way performance works out is always kinda bizarre :p
23:47 <@JonnyH`Work> but there are like LOTS of sp<> copies as part of the renderer draw?
23:48 < sf{bad_alloc}> ...maybe I should rewrite some (most?) of them as raw pointers?
23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> or &ref if you know the lifetime
23:49 < sf{bad_alloc}> though it does sound strange
23:50 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, we don't expect an image to be dereferenced mid-draw, do we?
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, they should never be decremented to zero during draw
23:57 < sf{bad_alloc}> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-nEU5c76PeuQU9DSDM5RjRvLVU/view?usp=sharing - a bit more tweaks, tried actually turning on -Ofast (not sure if it worked, though), removed screenPos creation in the loop (probably should create it once, modify as requested)
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00:33 < sf{bad_alloc}> so... about 60-70 ms per frame with an empty city, GCC and (hopefully) working -Ofast. Cityview (tileview?) submits all of its data in about 20ms, after that it's mostly waiting for the draws to finish. A threaded renderer is probably the way to go.
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16:17 < sf{bad_alloc}> ...so I've tried compiling from upstream and there's a bunch of stuff I'm concerned about
16:19 < sf{bad_alloc}> 1) do I _need_ to recreate the difficulty rulesets after checking out?
16:21 < sf{bad_alloc}> 2) game keeps complaining about placing stuff with (small) negative Z values (landing phase?)
16:23 < sf{bad_alloc}> and of course the rebased version crashes upon startup on androids, though that looks like something I should be able to fix
16:25 < sf{bad_alloc}> (just in case, testing on fc23, g++ 5.3.1, should be x86_64)
16:35 < sf{bad_alloc}> um... so they're all going into (0; 0; 0) for some reason
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bad_alloc}: No, you don't need to regenerate the rules unless you change serialize_gamestate.cpp
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and that looks like a bug w/fp precision, sometimes (0.001 - 0.001) is less than zero :P
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I should clamp that before testing
16:42 < sf{bad_alloc}> somehow persists even if I clamp to 1e-7
16:43 < sf{bad_alloc}> ...I mean, set to zero if std::abs(value) < 1e-7
16:43 <@JonnyH`Work> It might also be on x/y in min/max for projectiles 'falling' out the side of the map
16:43 <@JonnyH`Work> on the same tick they're destroyed for being out of bounds, they might warn ...
16:43 < sf{bad_alloc}> anyway, what's more curious is why the hell do they all move to (0, 0, 0)?
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> That was a testing mission I left in.. is it still doing that :$
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> they *should* go to random buildings...
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll look at that after work this evening
16:45 < sf{bad_alloc}> also, where are my sound effects? (maybe it's actually fedora doing stuff, looks like only music is playing at the moment)
16:46 < sf{bad_alloc}> although the buttons click fine
16:46 < sf{bad_alloc}> got tired of constant explosions? :v
16:48 < sf{bad_alloc}> okay, now some of them do fly around the city
16:49 < sf{bad_alloc}> time to test the savegame functionality, I guess?
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I'd be interested in how long the save game takes to save and load...
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> And I've removed the sfx from the weapons
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> (well, I haven't moved the definition to the 'new' format... so the same as removed :)
16:57 < sf{bad_alloc}> ...and now my unzipper fails because of a random ENOENT (well, not exactly "random", it can't seem to unzip the languages properly)
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> we don't zip the languages?
16:57 < sf{bad_alloc}> even with the call to mkdirs() before creating the output stream
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> If you're talking about unzipping the saved game
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I'm playing a bit loose with the zip spec
16:58 < sf{bad_alloc}> no, it's my java part
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> heh :)
16:59 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, maybe I should stop zipping the whole data dir and just throw it into the assets (it's kinda redundant, since .apk is a zip archive anyway)
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> zip the zips for MAXIMUM COMPRESSION
17:01 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, it kinda made sense at the time, since I thought I'd have to copy the assets somewhere anyway
17:01 < sf{bad_alloc}> might as well not fiddle with the AssetManager and just unzip the zip (which should be pretty straightforward, but apparently isn't)
17:06 < sf{bad_alloc}> okay, now I firmly believe there's something fishy going on
17:06 < sf{bad_alloc}> I can't even copy the data folder over mtp!
17:06 < sf{bad_alloc}> looks like it fails at about the same place
17:07 < sf{bad_alloc}> rip filesystem? :v
17:08 < sf{bad_alloc}> by the way, looks like vehicle positions are not saved
17:09 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm... they should be...
17:09 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, maybe they're not loaded then? :v
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> "position" looks sane in gamestate/vehicles.xml
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Meh, I'
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> ...I'll check it later too
17:13 < sf{bad_alloc}> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-nEU5c76PeuZFRJRkh1cW91UG8
17:13 < sf{bad_alloc}> my save.zip
17:14 < sf{bad_alloc}> (also, wow, 20 mb of XML files!)
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm..  have to 'request access'
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not the most efficient :)
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I could make it relative to the 'initial' state, which would save a lot
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> but for a ~500kb zipped it's nice having it completely self-contained - you don't need the extracted data to load a save
17:15 < sf{bad_alloc}> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-nEU5c76PeuZFRJRkh1cW91UG8/view?usp=sharing (sorry, still not used to gdocs)
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> still looks sane - everything outside a building at least has a position...
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm... might have something actually
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> tileObject shouldn't have non-virtual getPosition()
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> aah, yes, that's it, I'll try to fix it soon
17:20 < sf{bad_alloc}> android really IS the new windows: looks like a reboot fixed the error
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Honestly, that screams of bad hw drivers
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> the linux kernel is *very* good at killing per-process resources etc.
17:22 < sf{bad_alloc}> probably should just start building aosp on my own at some point...
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> It's easy enough to be honest
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> We do it all the time :)
17:27 < sf{bad_alloc}> I've tried building android-x86 for a windows tablet (vivotab note 8), it _WAS_ kinda straightforward
17:28 < sf{bad_alloc}> didn't really get me too far though - couldn't manage to get i2c touchscreen to work, bay trail support for that sort of stuff was still under active development
17:29 < sf{bad_alloc}> also: looks like you're reading relative to the pwd... wonder if there's a way to patch mz to use physfs
17:30 < sf{bad_alloc}> (or maybe just compile physfs with zip support?)
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> We already #include minizip for the saved game stuff
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> We could enable the libz-compat api of that and avoid libz dependency for physfs' zip support...
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Not an issue on android though, as libz is part of the platform abi
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> but windows was the reason I didn't just enable it by default...
17:32 < sf{bad_alloc}> it's just that you probably should prepend LocalDataPath to the path string
17:33 < sf{bad_alloc}> also, looks like physfs uses miniz? https://github.com/JonnyH/physfs-hg-import/blob/e0729cfa3fbb6c70c2e5a03793167f010405b786/src/archiver_zip.c#L18
17:35 < sf{bad_alloc}> though it opens zips as read-only
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC physfs can't write to /any/ of it's packed formats
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> that's why I did the save file zipping 'manually'
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm, I'm going to have to think about how to resolve that position issue
17:53 < sf{bad_alloc}> in other news: lto is still broken on androids (so no news, I guess?)
17:54 < sf{bad_alloc}> fails with "Selected processor does not support Thumb mode 'dmb ish'"
17:54 < sf{bad_alloc}> (as if I'm able to select thumb/arm with this "new and shiny" build system...)
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> You should never need to specify thumb support manually - it's implied by it being armv7a
17:58 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, can I turn it off?
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Give -mno-thumb2?
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17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> -marm?
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> -march=cortex-a15 will probably work too
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> as that says "Support everything that processor supports, and no more"
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> hi pmprog :)
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe just restrict it to armv8 cores only... :P
18:02 <@pmprog> Morning
18:08 < sf{bad_alloc}> evenin'!
18:09 < sf{bad_alloc}> armv8 are broken for other reasons (mostly because of compilers not capable of proper 64-bit code generation)
18:10 < sf{bad_alloc}> ...and I don't have an armv8 near me anyway :p
19:04 <@pmprog> Bah, two hours wasted... Work today really killed all motivation for anything :(
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Bah, most of the last week 'wasted'
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm reverse engineering a customer platform because they refuse to give us the tools to use it properly -_-
19:19 <@pmprog> At least you're doing something... At work today, I think I wrote about 5 lines of code, enquired about more detail the next part and got a "I don't know"...
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> One possible advantage to being in an office doing different stuff to everyone else
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> For all they know I *should* be doing openapoc work :P
19:22 <@pmprog> :)
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20:08 < sf{bad_alloc}> tonight, in "how weird is really weird": getting crashes in Logger, of all places!
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> The logger libunwind is a bit weird on some platforms
20:11 < sf{bad_alloc}> I still haven't done the libunwind thingy for android, unfortunately (had that thing in my bookmarks for months: http://blog.httrack.com/blog/2013/08/23/catching-posix-signals-on-android/)
20:12 < sf{bad_alloc}> but no, for some reason android didn't like LogInfo call at lines 129-130 at serialize.cpp
20:13 < sf{bad_alloc}> "didn't like" in a sense of "removing these lines allowed me to actually get to the cityscape screen"
20:17 < sf{bad_alloc}> it's not like I'm doing anything fancy there, either... I just pass the strings to __android_log_printf and __android_log_vprintf
20:18 < SupSuper> vargs shenanigans?
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus stat.m_uncomp_size is a uint64
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> and %u only expectes a 4-byte stack variable on 32-bit? :P
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Cast it to (unsigned int) first?
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH that'll probably kill any 32bit platform... oops :)
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20:21 < sf{bad_alloc}> do I get banned for saying I liked the OpenXcom's iostream-like logs better? :v
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I would prefer some combination - IE boost's ::format
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> where you still have format strings
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> but the args are typesafe...
20:23 < SupSuper> sf{bad_alloc}: well that's only because i use streams everywhere
20:24 < SupSuper> it's not -like, it's literally a stream :p
20:24 < SupSuper> it can be ugly but at least i don't have to worry about vargs
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> The real quesation is why did I remove __attribute((format)) in 2034328e?
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> hnmmm.. probably doesn't work for non-const char *
20:26 < SupSuper> sf{bad_alloc}: btw how does android like "wstring"? i know some platforms don't like it, so i've been thinking of removing it from openxcom
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20:26 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 359efbf Jonathan Hamilton: Fix format string when sizeof(unsigned) != sizeof(uint64_t)
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20:27 < sf{bad_alloc}> SupSuper: last time I've checked, worked just fine (better than wchar_t, anyway)
20:29 < SupSuper> it's kinda silly to be carrying 32-bit strings all over the place when i only really need it when *rendering* the text
20:29 < SupSuper> i dunno why that never occurred to me before :p
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> sizeof(wchar_t) == 1 on non-windows
20:30 < sf{bad_alloc}> is it?
20:30 < SupSuper> i thought it was 16-bit on windows and 32-bit on linux?
20:30 < SupSuper> good thing we don't support emojis :p
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> wait, no, it is 32bit :P
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> on linux
20:32 < sf{bad_alloc}> yup, linux sizeof(wchar) == 4
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> but still doesn't guarantee that a single codepoint is described by a single entry
20:32 < sf{bad_alloc}> android sizeof(wchar_t) == 1 on the other hand (but looks like it has something non-wchar_t-based for wstrings)
20:33 < SupSuper> in theory. but we've gotten all the way to CJK just with wchar's :p
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I might have been thinking of bionic :P
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> It doesn't support any encoding but utf8 IIRC
20:33 < SupSuper> ucs-2 is good enough for anyone!
20:33 < sf{bad_alloc}> iirc bionic doesn't support anything but ascii :p
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Bionic just treats stuff as 'c-strings' - or null-terminated stream of bytes
20:34 < sf{bad_alloc}> (seriously, they didn't even have a sane locale.h until 21)
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> which UTF8 complies with
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> pff, they ship icu in the ndk
20:34 < sf{bad_alloc}> no they dont
20:34 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: i think that's linux's policy as well
20:34 < SupSuper> just assume every c-string is utf8
20:34 < SupSuper> since that's the default locale
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> locale.h is so brain-dead that it's misleading to use it :P
20:35 < sf{bad_alloc}> at least I haven't seen it anywhere - it's in the system, but you can't link against it
20:35 < SupSuper> yeah we just roll our own
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Aah, we're a system lib... that's why we can use it I guess :P
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> boost::locale backends into some weird win32 stuff on windows, icu on linux
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> and while it uses c++ std::locale interface, the implementation is actually sane
20:36 < sf{bad_alloc}> yeah, and I'm building icu for boost::locale on Android :p
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> in the way is actually implements something :)
20:36 < SupSuper> https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/src/Engine/Language.cpp#L110
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> but a wchar isn't a unicode codepoint :P
20:37 < SupSuper> shhhhhhhhhh
20:37 < sf{bad_alloc}> SupSuper: yeah, kinda familiar... I think I've tried using this when trying to build Python for Android (it actually uses/used some multibyte encodings somewhere)
20:37 < SupSuper> it is when we convert it :P
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: it becomes /a/ unicode codepoint
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> The /right/ one? That wasn't in the requirements...
20:38 < SupSuper> we just need it to match the font, which also goes through the same conversion so :P
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> same here really, we just match a character stream against font strings
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> If we did longest-first matching we could just treat them as bytes :P
20:39 < sf{bad_alloc}> ...and get empty buttons for russian locales :p
20:39 < SupSuper> but yeah i can probably just replace it with a uint32_t[] for rendering purposes
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Only 'caus you don't have a font setup!
20:39 < SupSuper> and not worry about what the particular platform defines
20:40 < SupSuper> the real fun part is when dealing with libs, because they all have their own ideas of what encoding is best
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I convert everything back to utf8 for sdl
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> which then converts it back *again* to whatever the platform wants :P
20:41 < SupSuper> for example when dealing with system filepaths, they will be in the system encoding (utf8 in linux and latin-1 in windows)
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> no, file paths in linux are not encoded
20:42 < SupSuper> unless you're using a win32 api which gives you whatever encoding you want, but means using win32 :P
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> they are a stream of bytes where 0x00 and 0x2f are disallowed
20:42 < SupSuper> but then sdl decided "no, *all paths are utf8 always*"
20:42 < SupSuper> the end result is a random mishmash of encoding conversions, even when *avoiding* c's nasty locale stuff
20:42 < SupSuper> and somehow it all comes together
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> You want a filename with a terminal bell control character? Sure! Vertical tab? Why not, makes sense. Backspace? I got you man
20:43 < sf{bad_alloc}> I *think* the only not-nice part about openxcom was https://github.com/sfalexrog/OpenXcom/blob/sdl2/src/Engine/CrossPlatform.cpp#L764
20:43 < SupSuper> and it's only used for logging :p
20:44 < sf{bad_alloc}> also for save/load screens :p
20:44 < SupSuper> well CrossPlatform.cpp is pretty much begging to be *not nice*
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> we use localtime_r in our android hal...
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> is there something we should know?
20:46 < SupSuper> it's probably the most precious piece of code in the whole game
20:46 < SupSuper> see i'll give win32 some credit there, you can do date/time in like 2 lines
20:46 < SupSuper> since vista anyways...
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe our strftime is ok ina  way wcsftime isn't?
20:48 < sf{bad_alloc}> wcsftime on android is just a macro for strftime
20:49 < sf{bad_alloc}> strftime *should* work just fine, but you'd better always double-check all the structs
20:50 < sf{bad_alloc}> and the code that's commented out "kinda worked", I just had a bugreport for an older version and rewrote everything with wostrinstream anyway
20:51 < sf{bad_alloc}> also, copying ascii values to wchar_ts and hoping it's gonna be fine in the end :v
20:53 < SupSuper> always fun
20:54 < sf{bad_alloc}> I mean, these were just digits, right? right?..
20:55 < sf{bad_alloc}> somehow the humanity tends to fail at a lot of stuff and requires all these failures to be preserved
20:58 < SupSuper> i love how win32's way of having 64-bit ints is a high/low 32-bit union
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> *shudder*
20:58 < sf{bad_alloc}> shouldn't it break strict aliasing in some way?
20:59 < SupSuper> but ~~backwards compatiblity~~
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup, but it's commonly done enough that a union is often treated specially in the aliasing opt passes
21:10 < sf{bad_alloc}> still wonder why enabling lto either outright fails to produce any code or produces a binary that fails with SIGILL...
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> You using clang?
21:11 < sf{bad_alloc}> both gcc and clang fail
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> hm...
21:11 < sf{bad_alloc}> clang produces a binary, but it's faulty
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> good job ndk!
21:11 < sf{bad_alloc}> gcc fails with the "dmb ish" instruction
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> That gcc failure is likely caused by the compiler being given different options to the linker
21:13 < sf{bad_alloc}> I'm passing -flto to both the compiler and the linker
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> it has to have the same triple and any -m machine options the same too
21:13 < sf{bad_alloc}> but apparently there's still a bunch of options that I don't see
21:16 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, it's not like every google page mentioning ndk is plastered with "go away and use java instead"
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> How do I build your android port anyway?
21:17 < sf{bad_alloc}> you _are_ getting https://github.com/sfalexrog/OpenApoc_android ?
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> apparently building gradle requires gradle...
21:19 < sf{bad_alloc}> huh? it should download the version on its own
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Could not compile build file '/home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc_android/OpenApoc/build.gradle'.
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> > startup failed:
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work>   build file '/home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc_android/OpenApoc/build.gradle': 64: illegal rule @ line 64, column 5.
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work>          def signingConf
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> different version?
21:20 < sf{bad_alloc}> gradle-experimental plugin too new (I've been building against 0.4.0)
21:21 < sf{bad_alloc}> maybe it's about time to update...
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> and it needs android-22 sdk?
21:23 < sf{bad_alloc}> yeah... and a weird version of support library
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> cmake come back, all is forgiven!
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm. and android sdk updater fails to find some swt class
21:26 < sf{bad_alloc}> how did you manage that?
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> >mfw http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/File:Cereal.gif
21:27 < sf{bad_alloc}> at least android studio is decent at that sort of stuff: it basically says something like "I can't do X! but press here and i'll fix it for you!"
21:28 < SupSuper> that's because jetbrains is awesome :p
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> android studio appears to open a blank screen
21:28 < sf{bad_alloc}> beats me why they can't apply all these "fixes" (which are basically "download this part of the SDK") automagically
21:29 < sf{bad_alloc}> try using an oracle jdk, it sometime helps...
21:29 < sf{bad_alloc}> though openjdk works for me in fc23 (with some graphical glitches)
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> with a splash that does that wonderful windows thing http://i.stack.imgur.com/1gveU.png
21:30 < SupSuper> is that xp?
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> No, but the splash screen does the same thing over the 'blank' android-studio for me on linux :P
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> using oracle-jdk8
21:32 < sf{bad_alloc}> okay, that's weird. DE? Window server?
21:32 < sf{bad_alloc}> any warnings/errors in the terminal?
21:32 < sf{bad_alloc}> Android Studio version?
21:32 <@JonnyH`Work> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option MaxPermSize=350m; support was removed in 8.0
21:32 <@JonnyH`Work> [  14339]   WARN - dea.updater.SdkComponentSource - Couldn't find existing SDK 
21:32 <@JonnyH`Work> in the terminal
21:32 <@JonnyH`Work> xmonad wm
21:33 < sf{bad_alloc}> what's funny is that it worked just fine even on gnome+wayland
21:33 < sf{bad_alloc}> maybe something from gtk is missing?
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug* everything else works fine...
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I did have to reset it's classpath though, it was looking in 'lib/x86_64' - which didn't exist
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> 'lib64' did however, which is what I assume it meant...
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21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Clearly I like in a bizarre mirror world where building the whole platform from scratch is significantly simpler than building a single app
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21:52 <@JonnyH`Work>       > Could not find com.android.support:appcompat-v7:22.2.1.
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work>         Searched in the following locations:
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work>             https://jcenter.bintray.com/com/android/support/appcompat-v7/22.2.1/appcompat-v7-22.2.1.pom
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> so where do I get weird appcompat versions from?
21:56 < sf{bad_alloc}> weird stuff. Maybe try changing compile 'com.android.support:appcompat-v7:22.2.1' to compile 'com.android.support:appcompat-v7:+' in OpenApoc/build.gradle?
21:56 < sf{bad_alloc}> and compile 'com.android.support:support-v4:22.2.1' -> compile 'com.android.support:support-v4:+' as well
21:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Could not find any matches for com.android.support:appcompat-v7:+ as no versions of com.android.support:appcompat-v7 are available.
21:57 <@JonnyH`Work> :'(
21:57 < sf{bad_alloc}> sdk manager still not working?
21:58 <@JonnyH`Work> sdk-manager seemed to work
21:58 <@JonnyH`Work> and 'claimed' it installed the 22 sdk & build tools
21:58 < sf{bad_alloc}> you need to install "Android Support Repository" from extras
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> it claims 23.2.1 is installed
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> wait... is claims no sdk is installed now either...
22:00 < sf{bad_alloc}> try making a local.properties file in the project root
22:00 < sf{bad_alloc}> and put
22:00 < sf{bad_alloc}> sdk.dir=/path/to/android/sdk
22:00 < sf{bad_alloc}> ndk.dir=/path/to/android/ndk
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I've already had to set ANDROID_NDK_HOME
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> it 'seemed' to detect the sdk
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> as it whined it couldn't fine v22
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I installed it using the sdk-update-manager
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> and it stopped whining about that
22:03 < sf{bad_alloc}> you could try changing appcompat-v7:22.2.1 to 23.2.1, but it's gonna complain about sdk version not high enough
22:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Could not find com.android.support:appcompat-v7:23.2.1.
22:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Or not :P
22:04 < sf{bad_alloc}> I'd still try and not rely on environment variables
22:04 <@JonnyH`Work> the sdk path seemed to be detected correctly
22:10 < sf{bad_alloc}> android list sdk --all ?
22:14 < sf{bad_alloc}> and then install "Local Maven repository for Support Libraries"
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> does gradle use maven then?
22:14 < sf{bad_alloc}> as a package manager, I believe?
22:15 < sf{bad_alloc}> or, rather, a package repository
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> it's doing stuff.. :)
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc_android/OpenApoc/src/main/jni/SDL/src/main/android/SDL_android_main.c:62: undefined reference to `SDL_main'
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a start
22:16 < sf{bad_alloc}> did you init & update all of your submodules and their submodules?
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> ...nope :)
22:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, so for some reason my sdk updater need to install everything twice to actually stick?
22:18 < sf{bad_alloc}> android territory
22:19 <@JonnyH`Work> /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc_android/OpenApoc/src/main/jni/OpenApoc/framework/ignorecase.c:8:20: fatal error: physfs.h: No such file or directory
22:19 < sf{bad_alloc}> init & update openapoc's submodules
22:19 <@JonnyH`Work> just did
22:19 <@JonnyH`Work> they're all up to date
22:20 < sf{bad_alloc}> openapoc/src/main/jni/dependencies/physfs is empty?
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> bah, _recursive_ submodules?
22:20 < sf{bad_alloc}> what else would you expect? :p
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> At this point I clearly shouldn't expect anything
22:22 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, you're getting pretty close to getting a working binary, if that's any comfort :v
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> well, it's actually running g++ now...
22:22 < SupSuper> this is a hell of an adventure
22:22 < sf{bad_alloc}> still simplier than msvc :p
22:22  * JonnyH`Work might just wrap this in ANativeActivity...
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bad_alloc}: Hey now, I hate msvc as much as anyone, but that's a bit far...
22:23 < sf{bad_alloc}> noooo my preloader
22:24 < sf{bad_alloc}> yeah, sorry, should really try and make those instructions somewhat better.
22:24 < SupSuper> at least everyone has the same msvc :p
22:24 < sf{bad_alloc}> it's just that I'm kinda used to android studio doing a lot of this stuff for me
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: It all fell apart when I installed msvc2013 on a new laptop
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> and it was update 4, not update 5
22:25 < SupSuper> hahaha
22:25 < SupSuper> that bleeding edge c++11 :p
22:25 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, iirc the update is only about 12 gb :p
22:26 < SupSuper> a vs2015 update tried installing vs2013 for me once
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Mine seems to randomly choose between 2013 and 2015 at open time
22:27 < SupSuper> you probably have to reset the file associations
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22:27 < SupSuper> i kinda need to keep both around anyways for openxcom. i'd be happier if i could just have the vs2013 compiler, but what can you do :p
22:27 < sf{bad_alloc}> and clean the registry
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> apparently they're releasing a 'build' package, which is just the compiler, sdk & msbuild
22:28 < SupSuper> ohhhh
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> which is nice, as that's pretty much all I use anyway :)
22:28 < SupSuper> that'd be nice, as i like having the latest ide but older compilers
22:28 < SupSuper> using msbuild manually sounds awful though...
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> msbuild /p:Configuration=Release /p:Platform=x64
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> what more do you need?
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2015/11/02/announcing-visual-c-build-tools-2015-standalone-c-tools-for-build-environments/
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> it's not quick building all of {armv7a, aarch64, mipsel, x86, x86_64} is it
22:32 < sf{bad_alloc}> huh? I probably managed to push after your checkout, I've got most of them commented out because reasons
22:33 < sf{bad_alloc}> (like breaking compilation somewhere in the process)
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> :'(
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> At least you're not trying to build for an ancient mips64 abi :P
22:33 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: that only works if you've already created the project with an ide :P
22:34 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: You don't write your .vcxproj files in vim?
22:34  * SupSuper shudders
22:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Man, IDEs sound hard...
22:34 < SupSuper> they'd probably be a lot smaller though
22:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I often do just to add a file /remove a file :)
22:34 < SupSuper> since vs doesn't handle xml redudancy well
22:35 < SupSuper> every property is repeated for every configuration/platform even if it doesn't have to
22:35 <@JonnyH`Work> I have noticed that....
22:35 <@JonnyH`Work> It's nearly as bad as our xml save format
22:35 < sf{bad_alloc}> my msvs won't save my filters :<
22:36 <@JonnyH`Work> that's in the .filters file right?
22:36 < sf{bad_alloc}> so I would set up a filter, save the project, reopen it and find half of the stuff that I've added missing from the filter
22:36 <@JonnyH`Work> :'(
22:37 < sf{bad_alloc}> why would they need a "filter" system instead of a simple view into the filesystem is beyond me
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess if I wanted to I could have everything in the same dir
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> and stuff like 'framework'/'game' etc. would be filters...
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH we should be careful about filenames anyway
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> as it seems to dump all the .o files in the same dir
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> so I guess it'll break if we have 2 source files with the same basename..
22:38 < sf{bad_alloc}> why would anyone do that (have all the files in the same folder)
22:39 < SupSuper> because includes :p
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bad_alloc}: A quick look at the armv7a shows your're using -Os
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> for some (older?) versions on gcc we found that had nearly a 4x slowdown over -O2 in shader compilation for our ddk
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> the binary _was_ smaller though...
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> by like 5%
22:39 < SupSuper> also build systems deal really badly with subfolders for some reason
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> cmake seems alright, match the source folders
22:40 < sf{bad_alloc}> grep me a "-Os" in my build.gradle
22:40 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: originally openxcom was just one folder with filters
22:40 < sf{bad_alloc}> I'm actually trying to make it respect my -Ofast, but it wouldn't
22:41 < sf{bad_alloc}> SupSuper: good thing it's now neatly tucked into subfolders
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> -Ofast is broke
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> don't use it
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> -O2 is the 'default' that people actually test with
22:42 < sf{bad_alloc}> everything is broken :<
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22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> -O1/-Og is good for debugging
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> -O3 rarely gives improvements (and less well tested)
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> -Ofast means your floating point calculations are wrong
22:43 < SupSuper> sf{bad_alloc}: made for a messy history though :p
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> git mv tracks history pretty well normally
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> BUILD SUCCESSFUL
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> well I'll be...
22:46 <@JonnyH`Work> It's also still using -mthumb despite your LOCAL_ARM_MODE := arm
22:47 < sf{bad_alloc}> JonnyH`Work: my cflags/ldflags are around here: https://github.com/sfalexrog/openapoc_android/blob/master/OpenApoc/build.gradle#L239
22:47 < sf{bad_alloc}> it doesn't look at the .mk files (probably could delete them already)
22:47  * JonnyH`Work just tries adding -marm and -O2 to the end
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> the 'last one' wins according to gcc's command line
22:48 < sf{bad_alloc}> don't forget to removoe some of those: https://github.com/sfalexrog/openapoc_android/blob/master/OpenApoc/build.gradle#L29
22:48 < sf{bad_alloc}> thing is, I'm not exactly sure about the order
22:50 < sf{bad_alloc}> i.e. whether the "new and improved" gradle build system would just write its own stuff to the end
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> seems to have picked up -O2...
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I probably should restrict that to release though :P
22:51 < sf{bad_alloc}> well, since signing is broken in the plugin at the moment...
22:51 < sf{bad_alloc}> and release requires signing
22:51 < sf{bad_alloc}> I wouldn't say it's unreasonable to enable -O2 for everyone :>
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I would go -O1 for release (or -Og if the gcc is new enough)
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and -O2 for release
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> ...I meant debug for the first one
22:53 < sf{bad_alloc}> I'm all in, as soon as that gradle-experimental gets a non-broken debug/release switch + signing
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> ..do real people use gradle
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> As in for real apps?
22:54 < sf{bad_alloc}> gradle? or gradle-experimental?
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> what's the difference?
22:54 < sf{bad_alloc}> first one is a bit older, well-documented, stable and stuff
22:54 < sf{bad_alloc}> and you're using it if you're using android studio
22:55 < sf{bad_alloc}> the only caveat is that its ndk support is "deprecated"
22:55 < SupSuper> gradle is bad but maven is worse so :v
22:55 < SupSuper> i mean every build system is bad so
22:56 < sf{bad_alloc}> (i.e. you're only building java apps with it, unless you do some gradle magic to invoke ndk-build in your build)
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> at this point 'gcc *.cpp -o myapp' seems like a decent idea...
22:56 < sf{bad_alloc}> the second one is "bleeding edge", with "proper" (read: at least existent) NDK support
22:57 < sf{bad_alloc}> but is not documented (believe it or not, the best piece of documentation is actually an Intel engineer's blog)
22:57 < sf{bad_alloc}> but you have to use it to get all the nice stuff in android studio
22:58 < sf{bad_alloc}> like native code syntax highlight, automatic includes, code completion, code generation, that sort of stuff
22:58 < sf{bad_alloc}> and nice debugging as well
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> ok.. so how do I install this mofo?
23:01 < sf{bad_alloc}> there should be an apk or three in OpenApoc/build/outputs/apk
23:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess I need to disable certificate checking?
23:01 < sf{bad_alloc}> you're probably out of luck trying to install a release-unsigned apk, though
23:02 < sf{bad_alloc}> or that
23:02 < sf{bad_alloc}> unless you manage to sign the apk on your own (which should be possible, actually...)
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work>  worked if I sign it with the aosp test key :)
23:10 < sf{bad_alloc}> so... does it start?
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Came up with the select-options stuff :)
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> just need to figure out where to put the data * cd.iso
23:10 < sf{bad_alloc}> just put it anywhere and navigate to it
23:11 < sf{bad_alloc}> right now only iso picking and local data folder choosing work
23:11 < sf{bad_alloc}> other options I've been too lazy to properly implement
23:15 < sf{bad_alloc}> if you're running it on one of those crazy high res mobiles, you might want to change scaling in https://github.com/sfalexrog/openapoc_android/blob/master/OpenApoc/src/main/java/org/sfalexrog/openapoc/config/Config.java#L34
23:15 < sf{bad_alloc}> though you'd have to uninstall+reinstall to clear out SharedPreferences
23:16 <@JonnyH`Work> in the cityscape :)
23:16 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe ~4fps in a n5x
23:17 < sf{bad_alloc}> niiiice :p
23:17 <@JonnyH`Work> errm... how do I change the scale?
23:17 <@JonnyH`Work> pressing the thing seems to do nothing
23:17 < sf{bad_alloc}> you don't - only in the code
23:17 < sf{bad_alloc}> (or in sharedPreferences)
23:18 < sf{bad_alloc}> let's just say I've been a bit lazy about actually adding stuff to this pre-launch thingy
23:19 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, it's all probably going to change soon anyway
23:20 < sf{bad_alloc}> so... yeah, we probably need a performance breakthrough
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23:31 < SupSuper> i am constantly shocked that openxcom actually runs on android
23:32 < SupSuper> despite it being on 100% unoptimized cpu-bound last-decade-sdl :p
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23:43 <@JonnyH`Work> pls fix rotation
23:47 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe 10fps at scale50?
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00:23 <@JonnyH`Work> and arm64 seems to crash...
00:25 <@JonnyH`Work> fails in the .pck loader - returns a 0 sized imageset?
00:27 <@JonnyH`Work> almost playable at 640x480 :D
00:35 <@JonnyH`Work> good work sf{bed_alloc}
00:35 <@JonnyH`Work> this android stuff seems harder than it looks..
00:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, I'm off
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03:04 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 1f30868 Jonathan Hamilton: Clamp tile objects to map size instead of LogError()ing...
03:04 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 68be818 Jonathan Hamilton: Why we got 2 logos?...
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16:32 < Skin36> hi
16:32 <@JonnyH> hi Skin36 
16:33 < Skin36> how are you
16:33 <@JonnyH> I'm alright, thanks
16:33 < Skin36> news &
16:33 < Skin36> ?
16:34 <@JonnyH> Not much notable I guess
16:34 < Skin36> I wrote about the problems in the game display Unicode
16:35 <@JonnyH> Need to fix some things with the recent savegame rework (not saving 'current' vehicle positions correctly, pathfinding seems happy going 'through' buildings, UFOPaedia temporarily disabled)
16:35 <@JonnyH> Which language was that failing on?
16:36 < Skin36> all languages except English
16:36 <@JonnyH> Oh, I also got sfalexrog's android port building locally :D
16:36 <@JonnyH> Just the ufopaedia tesxt?
16:36 <@JonnyH> I'm reworking how they're loaded quite a bit at the moment, I'll finish that and see if it still breaks
16:37 <@JonnyH> then look into 'fixing' it, if it is a generic unicode/non-ascii font issue or whatever
16:37 <@JonnyH> It might be we're using a character that doesn't exist in the font
16:37 <@JonnyH> I know that is currently handed poorly....
16:37 <@JonnyH> and I need to start using boost::locale's breaking for wrapping
16:38 <@JonnyH> as currently we only wrap on ascii-whitespace, which is wrong for many languages
16:38 <@JonnyH> so, yeah, a few 'known' unfinished parts around the translation stuff :)
17:05 < Skin36> I do think, on what structures still worked. Perhaps start equipment_layout
17:12 < Skin36> or even that it is not clear from the weapon?
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17:33 <@JonnyH> equipment_layout should work fine
17:33 <@JonnyH> You should be able to equip vehicles and it'll persist over save game
17:34 < Skin36> http://f2.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM0d.png
17:34 < Skin36> this ?
17:44 <@JonnyH> Yup, I already have that decoded
17:44 <@JonnyH> and it's used in the vehicle equip screen
17:45 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/tools/extractors/extract_vehicles.cpp#L40
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17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> We need a better way of reporting defects/seeing what's a 'known issue' than asking me on irc...
17:59 < Skin36> cool
18:00 < Skin36> what mean Unknown
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> it means I don't know
18:00 < Skin36> )
18:00 < Skin36> http://f2.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM0g.png
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/tools/extractors/common/vehicle.h#L63
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I still don't know...
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Does it have any different values for some layouts?
18:03 < Skin36> yes
18:04 < Skin36> 0 or 1
18:05 < Skin36> I will try to understand this
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Any link between when it is? Like always for one 'type'? Or for different vehicles?
18:06 < Skin36> for different vehicles
18:08 < Skin36> http://f2.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM0h.png
18:09 < Skin36> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM0i.png
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm, weird...
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> It probably isn't needed though, as I've not noticed anything missing in the layout
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe it's just saving something we're already assuming?
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> (e.g. 'engine' and 'weapon' get 'merged' with adjacent slots, but 'general' doesn't)
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> 'set to 1 for engine and weapon slots to be safe' is the comment...
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe set some vehicle's weapon to '0'
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> and see how it shows up in the equip screen in the original game?
18:12 < Skin36> ok
18:23 < Skin36> when 0 installed in the slot nothing can be set
18:25 < Skin36> with it you can remove the weapons, but you can not put back
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Are there any 'user' equipable vehicles with any zeros in any slots?
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Or is it a fit thing? If you mark the 'top' of a vehicle weapon slot as zero, can you still fit a smaller weapon in the rest that are still 1?
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> but put a 'small' weapon on the new top bit?
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00:27 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: just tried running the game on windows, good news it still works, bad news the basescape is all kinds of messed up :p
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17:06 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: What's wrong with the base scape?
17:12 <@JonnyH> Huh, if you 'hover' over a facility at the bottom
17:12 <@JonnyH> the first mousedown will start as if you were 'dragging' that
17:12 <@JonnyH> was that what you meant?
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17:21 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master acb29cc Jonathan Hamilton: Declare FacilityType in base.h...
17:21 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e46f3ae Jonathan Hamilton: format
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17:26 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master cd06292 Jonathan Hamilton: Update clang-format config to 3.8.0...
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17:26 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c1a298a Jonathan Hamilton: Remove unnecessary Warning every FlyingVehicleMover::update
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19:52 <@JonnyH> And it looks like the 'everything slowly collecting at {0,0,0}' bug is caused by:
19:52 <@JonnyH> if gotobuilding fails to find even a partial path (which should never happen)
19:53 <@JonnyH> it'll start phasing through scenery to get to {0,0,0} :P
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20:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4e324dc Jonathan Hamilton: Don't track 'position' in the TileObject, but the parent object...
20:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3302f7b Jonathan Hamilton: Fix building bounds...
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20:44 < Skin36> hi2all
20:44 <@JonnyH> hi
20:45 < Skin36> what news?
20:45 <@JonnyH> not much
20:45 <@JonnyH> Just been cleaning up small bugs and fallout from the savegame merge
20:46 < Skin36> Can I help you?
20:49 <@JonnyH> Sure
20:49 <@JonnyH> I'm just about to re-add the ufopaedia
20:52 <@JonnyH> and that will involve either 1) Extracting the UFOPaeida entries and categories from the .exe
20:52 <@JonnyH> or 2) Just adding them outselves in our XML
20:53 <@JonnyH> At this point I don't know which will be easiest...
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20:55 <@JonnyH> I assume the data is in ufopaedi/paedia.mt and paedia.mti...
20:57 < Skin36> I thought we had already figured out with ufopaedi
20:58 <@JonnyH> I think we etracted the strings, but not the metadata?
20:58 <@JonnyH> and that was a 'manual' extraction?
21:00 <@JonnyH> (Unless I missed something)
21:01 <@JonnyH> Meh, I'll just put in our data xml again
21:01 <@JonnyH> There's no advantage to 'extracting' it :)
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23:45 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9dc11bc Jonathan Hamilton: Rework Control::WrapText to work on word- not byte-chunks...
23:45 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9e6d050 Jonathan Hamilton: Start re-adding the UFOPaedia in the GameState
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14:43 <@JonnyH> Hey SupSuper
14:43 <@JonnyH> You mentioned the other day the basescape was buggy?
14:43 <@JonnyH> I made a fix on Sat so it didn't start 'dragging' facilities from any click...
14:43 <@JonnyH> Was there anythign else?
14:44 < SupSuper> i think that was it. something messed up with the mouse down state i guess? i don't remember that bug happening before
14:44 < SupSuper> and the facility hover stats showing incorrectly
14:45 < SupSuper> also the vehicle screen no longer shows all the vehicles but you probably know about that
14:46 <@JonnyH> hmm.. the over seems to work for the 'build selection' list
14:46 <@JonnyH> but not for the ones actually in the base...
14:48 <@JonnyH> Not sure what happened to the vehicle select box, I'll have a look at that now...
14:50 < SupSuper> JonnyH: it seems to have a "dragged facility" stuck when you first enter the base selection
14:50 < SupSuper> stuff's weird :p
14:50 < SupSuper> i haven't looked at the code yet so i have no clue how the ui could've gotten so messed up
14:50 < SupSuper> possibly i was keeping some Rule pointers that are no longer valid?
14:51 <@JonnyH> IIRC the only change I made was instead of *ptr refs to the 'dragged' facility etc.
14:51 <@JonnyH> I changed them to StateREf<>
14:51 <@JonnyH> but the behaviour should be pretty much the same here...
14:56 <@JonnyH> Right, the lack of vehicles in the select box is because I've somehow lost the icons -_-
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15:01 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 22a5ec1 Jonathan Hamilton: Re-add equip_icon_{big,small} to extracted data...
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15:15 <@JonnyH> The 'input' state in the basescreen could be cleaned up...
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15:20 <@JonnyH> I suspect this may have been 'broken' by a form event change, not my savegame stuff :P
15:20 <@JonnyH> as I can't see how this would have been affected
15:21 <@JonnyH> Right, this seems better - it now 'correctly' clears the 'dragFacility' when you leave the graphic of the tile in the listbox
15:21 <@JonnyH> And it shows the correct info when mousing over stuff
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15:23 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ae79b46 Jonathan Hamilton: Basescreen: Clear 'dragFacility' state when leaving the grahic bounds...
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15:24 <@JonnyH> Cheers for pointing that out anyway :D
15:25 < SupSuper> yeah i dunno how that would be affected by the save stuff, but it's been a while anyways and i probably coded some nasty stuff in there :P
15:26 < SupSuper> at least building facilities doesn't seem to crash it anymore, woo!
15:26 <@JonnyH> I remember changing quite a bit about when Leave/Enter events were signalled a while ago
15:26 <@JonnyH> it might have been broken since then :P
15:26 < SupSuper> well i tried to avoid checking all the events all the time so i rely on Enter/Leave a lot
15:27 <@JonnyH> The only thing I might have done different is maybe make the state explicit
15:27 <@JonnyH> like an enum with "Normal, Dragging, ShowingInfo"
15:28 <@JonnyH> instead of "!drag && selFacility" style stuff
15:30 <@JonnyH> Then you can draw the transitions of the state maching in a comment w/ascii-art
15:30 <@JonnyH> and that always looks fancy - even if it doesn't actually help with any understanding :P
15:31 <@JonnyH> (At least it normally makes reviewers impressed here for code reviews :)
15:34 < SupSuper> possibly, but i was still coming to grasps with the widget system :P
15:35 <@JonnyH> Yeah, it's getting a little inconsistent as we randomly add stuff to it for $SPECIFIC_USE_CASE
15:36 < SupSuper> gamedev.txt
15:36 <@JonnyH> dev.txt
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16:16 < SupSuper> is the minimap tile data in yet?
16:17 < SupSuper> maybe i can just fake it :p
16:22 <@JonnyH`Work> errm.. I can add it in a second?
16:23 <@JonnyH`Work> If I could remember where it was in the .exe :P
16:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Just after the facility defs?
16:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, think i found it...
16:25  * JonnyH`Work loves irc logs :)
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I think that's it...
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16:44 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9109fcc Jonathan Hamilton: Add city tile 'minimap colour' to the extractor & update saved state...
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16:54 < SupSuper> btw JonnyH`Work do you understand anything about travis?
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I know *of* travis...
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> and wrote the config in openapoc
16:55 <@JonnyH`Work> so yeah, I guess I do?
16:55 < SupSuper> we keep getting random timeouts from "brew"
16:55 < SupSuper> i don't know if the fix is to just add a travis_wait or something more deep and sinister :p
16:55 < SupSuper> like this: https://travis-ci.org/SupSuper/OpenXcom/jobs/118883158
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess that's more the issue of 'brew' itself? As doing nothing for 10 mins can't be right...
16:57 < SupSuper> well it happens once every month. and every google just says "oh just add 'travis_wait' and hope it goes away" :p
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess travis_wait extends the 10 minute time?
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> If it would ahve continued at 10m01s then that's a decent 'workaround' I guess?
16:57 < SupSuper> yeah the timeout is just for "output", so travis_wait outputs something every minute for 30 min
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that the 'brew update' that's waiting?
16:58 < SupSuper> but i don't know brew so i don't know if there was supposed to be output there :p
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> IE not the 'brew install'?
16:58  * JonnyH`Work doesn't know brew either
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> It's like a half-assed attempt at an osx package manager IIRc...
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> and my experience with osx is pretty much zero
16:59 < SupSuper> and half the time it'll happen after a whole bunch of output: https://travis-ci.org/SupSuper/OpenXcom/jobs/99847276
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess that 'updated formulae' stuff means that 'brew update' actually updated something in it's local package list?
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH it looks like 'brew' is just sometime srsly slow? If there's no single way to fix that I guess travis_wait before each brew command would help
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> But if it's deadlocked and needs killing and restarting or something I dunno if travis can do that
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe you can make it so that a failed 'brew' step doesn't fail the build, but sets it as 'skipped';?
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17:19 < SupSuper> i think the build would probably fail then :p
17:19 < SupSuper> also i'm not sure what the point is of using "--with-flac --with-libmikmod --with-libvorbis --with-static-lib" on a test build
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> No idea?
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, does that minimap colour change make sense you you?
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I added a Colour to the tile type
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> a cursory glance at the data looks sane - not actually checked they're 100% correct, so let me know if the map looks wrong :P
17:24 <@JonnyH`Work> and I assume it's using the 'basescreen' .pcx palette (as with all other 'UI Screens')
18:01 < SupSuper> well i haven't even figured out how to put pixels on an image yet :p
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Through an ImageLock object
18:13 < SupSuper> ohhhh looks like the next vs update will bring more STL features and performance improvements: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/01/22/vs-2015-update-2s-stl-is-c17-so-far-feature-complete/
18:14 < SupSuper> although a bit weird that the STL can outpace the compiler :p
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> /u/stl on reddit is often quite negative on their compiler speed :)
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> and he's one of their stl maintainers (which is clearly perfect for his name)
18:17 < SupSuper> i guess the STL is technically a "library" and much less likely to get caught in weird-ass generation bugs :p
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> NOt sure, he's whined about a lot of msvc compiler weirdness/workarounds in his stl work...
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Possibly just caus the stl tends to tickle weird corner-cases that aren't often used directly byt apps...
18:19 < SupSuper> true
18:19 < SupSuper> btw you've probably noticed you've unwittingly brought back the DO NOT USE base facilities :p
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> indeed
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I was thinking of how to set them as DO_NOT_USE :P
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I was thinking of waiting until we have research dependencies, then they'll just have a never-satisfied one
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than adding a specific (if facility=="hardcoded list") facility->hide = true;
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> or similar
18:22 < SupSuper> ah the ever popular STR_NOT_AVAILABLE requirement
18:22 < SupSuper> that's our official recommendation for when modders wanna stub stuff out without breaking saves :p
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I wonder how the original stopped displaying them, maybe something similar...
18:25 < SupSuper> yeah usually there is a list of "unlocked stuff" and any save editors easily made them show upagain
18:26 < SupSuper> hmmm seems the ufopaedia lost some features as well?
18:27 < SupSuper> and buildings no longer collapse?
18:27 < SupSuper> did we go back in time?
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> UFOPaedia selection list and prev/next section are todo
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> and I started removing my hack-y 'support' code (to replace it with the 'correct' version)
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> but that's not finished yet
18:28 < SupSuper> ah. so you found the 'correct' version?
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I think so, as there were flags in the tile data that affect the support
18:31 < SupSuper> phew, this is the sort of stuff i couldn't get away with anymore
18:31 < SupSuper> "yeah we removed half of your features but we'll put them back soon *honest*"
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
18:31 < SupSuper> we're making them better! you won't notice the difference, that's how you can tell
18:32 < SupSuper> oh btw out of curiosity, where are you in the us?
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> San Jose - south bay california
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> And the old ufopaedia was in global, not 'game' state, which was clearly wrong :)
18:33 < SupSuper> ah so nowhere near east coast :p
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Nope, west coast :P
18:34 < SupSuper> i'm gonna be in phily this may for *sighs* work
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Another xcom-con?
18:34 < SupSuper> no, work work :p
18:34 < SupSuper> at least i'm not paying this time
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> I was going over for the indy500, but that's not really convenient either :PO
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Time to start openxcom-con?
18:38 < SupSuper> i don't think founding a con on a free product will sustain itself :P
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> If there aren't enough community members for a meetup after firaxis-con or whatever you'll have no chance, true
18:39 < SupSuper> also we're stupidly spread out
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> OSS software in a nutshell I guess
19:04 < SupSuper> ok it's official
19:04 < SupSuper> i have totally forgotten how to code :p
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Monday morning, I know how that feels :)
19:05 < SupSuper> how do these magical StateRef's work
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> *magic*
19:06 < SupSuper> i knew it!
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> they call T::get() with a string ID at first deference
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> then after that they're pretty much sp<> to that object
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> It's just a way of keeping the "ID_STRING" for objects along side their sp<>
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> so when serializing in/out we can use the ID_STRING not a void* pointer value
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> there's a bit more validation (e.g. ID string of type "T" should start with T::getPrefix()
19:08 < SupSuper> ah
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> 'T' in this case should inherit from StateObject<T>, as that should insert the 'required' function declarations for all that
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I initally tried to do a ID lookup every derefence, IE so we 'only' store the ID, but my quick test showed that to be too slow to be useful
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> StateRefs<T> can be constructed from a {GameSTate, UString ID} or {GameState, sp<T>}
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> once constructed with a GameState*, you can assign them with just the sp<> or ID, and it assumed the GameState hasn't changed
19:15 < SupSuper> right
19:15 < SupSuper> now how the hell do i get from there
19:15 < SupSuper> to the minimap colors :p
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> errm...
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> find a TileObjectScenery in state->city->map->getTile(x, y, z)->ownedObjects
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and reref it's scenery->type->minimap_colour?
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> operator* and operator-> work like apointer on StateRef<>s
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19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Or use state->city->initial_tiles if it doesn't chance when you blow up the city?
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19:20 < Skin36_> hi
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> HEy Skin36_ 
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I fixed that truncated text for non-english ufopaedia entries
19:21 < Skin36_> and we have a dispute, on the one sentence
19:23 < Skin36_> http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM1Y.png
19:23 < Skin36_> what do you think, whether it is necessary to change? or leave as the original?
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Leave the english as the original for now I'd say
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: What do you guys do in openxcom? Did you fix any 'bad grammar' strings? Or just leave everything as the original?
19:26 < SupSuper> some translators have wanted to improve the english overall but it's never materialized. some players are even nostalgic for the old/broken translations :p
19:27 < SupSuper> so we just left it as is and only fixed errors confusing to players (incorrect values or gameplay references)
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I agree "click on building" sounds awkward
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I would say "click on a building"
19:28 < SupSuper> x-com english has always been kinda funky, specially with us/uk studios working on it
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> It might have been shortened to fit a control or something :P
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> So, unless it's _wrong_, leave original en translations?
19:30 < SupSuper> well i'm more of a "if you're gonna revise it you might as well revise the *whole thing* mindset"
19:30 < Skin36_> I would leave
19:31 < SupSuper> even a spellchecker will probably find a bunch of interesting stuff :)
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> REvising strings is in the domain of mods IMHO
19:33 < SupSuper> in practice, translators spend enough time fighting over their translations that they don't have time to point at the english :p
19:34 < Skin36_> what's with the colors minimap ?
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I've added the colour extraction fron ufo2p.exe
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> and SupSuper was loooking at actually rendering the map and drawing in the base screen I think
19:41 < SupSuper> well, it compiles
19:41 < SupSuper> but that's about it :p
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19:44 < SupSuper> right, would help if i was actually calling the code...
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> You're not having a good day today are you?
19:54 < SupSuper> i'm technically still with a flu, but there's only so much i can sleep
20:02 < SupSuper> oh hey: http://puu.sh/nXiox/c1f4f2887c.png
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> XD
20:02 < SupSuper> that worked better than i expected
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 		auto minimap_image = mksp<RGBImage>(Vec2<unsigned int>{100, 100});
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 		RGBImageLock l(this->minimap_image);
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 		std::map<Vec2<int>, int> minimap_image_z;
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 		for (auto &pair : state->cities["CITYMAP_HUMAN"]->initial_tiles)
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 		{
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 			auto &pos = pair.first;
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 			Vec2<int> pos2d = {pos.x, pos.y};
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 			auto &tile = pair.second;
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 			auto it = minimap_image_z.find(pos2d);
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 			if (it == minimap_image_z.end() || it->second < pos.z)
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 			{
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 				minimap_image_z[pos2d] = pos.z;
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 				l.set(pos2d, tile->minimap_colour);
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 			}
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> that would work, right?
20:04 < SupSuper> well right now i'm just for-looping through all the initial tiles and there aren't even any z-ordering issues :p
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> That's 'caus operator< for a Vec3<> sorts by x/y/z in that order
20:05 < SupSuper> of course i'm also just calling drawRect for every single tile on every single tick as a proof of concept, so the fps police are gonna be knocking at my door soon
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Just render an RGBImage once in sw in Begin()....
20:06 < SupSuper> but hey, you can rest easy that the colors are correct ;)
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> XD
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> We can fix later stuff later
20:06 < SupSuper> uh oh, there it is
20:07 < SupSuper> ---------------------------
20:07 < SupSuper> NVIDIA OpenGL Driver
20:07 < SupSuper> ---------------------------
20:07 < SupSuper> A TDR has been detected.
20:07 < SupSuper> The application must close.
20:07 < SupSuper> Error code: 7
20:07 < SupSuper> Would you like to visit http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3633 for help?
20:07 < SupSuper> ---------------------------
20:07 < SupSuper> Yes   No
20:07 < SupSuper> ---------------------------
20:10 < SupSuper> so a measly 100x100x5 rect commands every frame is a bit too much for next-gen hardware huh? :p
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Clearly :P
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> "NVIDIA"
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Aah, there's your problem
20:16 < SupSuper> also you'll notice that minimap there is a bit fat out because drawing 1x1 rects doesn't work :p
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm not going to implement putPixel()...
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20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/898ae880edb23e539f728e04598598fa99fee407
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
21:02 < SupSuper> well you could've said something sooner :p
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> You snooze you lose :P
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Boring meetings make me do unnecessary work apparently...
21:05 < SupSuper> i was having some issues anyways: http://puu.sh/nXmX6/57f3ebcc21.png
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Mine's notright either, I think I should ignore 'a=0' colours...
21:11 < SupSuper> i guess putPixel doesn't do blending huh :p
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Ha :P
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Which blend mode?
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> With alpha func?
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21:12 < SupSuper> well i mean your imagelock thing
21:12 < SupSuper> since it was working fine with drawRect ;)
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, imageLock is just a dump set
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> fixedf
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21:23 < SupSuper> huh the minimap is actually interative
21:23 < SupSuper> man, multiple bases is gonna break everything :p
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> StageCmd.Cmd = REPLACE; StateCmd.stage = mksp<BaseSCreen>(BASE_2);
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> that'll work, right?
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Re-run begin?
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Or do you mean you can click on it?
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Instead of the coloured square for the base, you could make it a GraphicButton?
21:28 < SupSuper> creating ui in runtime always feels like a mess
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> We know we're a mess though
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Any idea how I should create dialog boxes?
23:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Or the 'select target' boxes that cover *most* (but not all) of the citymap UI?
23:32 <@JonnyH`Work> I think we set it so that all overlapping controls would get 'events' - so we can't just cover it with a control..
23:33 <@JonnyH`Work> (Or is that such a bad design decision we should fix that?)
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23:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Meh, still a few regressions to fix before I work on $NEXT_FEATURE
23:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I know of: - list / next section / previous section in ufopaedia
23:54 <@JonnyH`Work> - Vehicles are once again drawn a tile off (maybe lost  the ImageOffset somewhere? Or my getPosition() doesn't do the +0.5,+0.5 it used to)
23:54 <@JonnyH`Work> - scenery 'support' (so stuff falls down again)
23:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, I'm off now, have a good evening
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18:08 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7108a51 Jonathan Hamilton: Update physfs, change to new 'fix-iso' branch...
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18:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master dcd4843 Jonathan Hamilton: Add the city minimap in the base screen
18:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4202cf2 Jonathan Hamilton: Base minimap: Ignore tiles w/transparent minimap colours...
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18:14 <@JonnyH> Balls, I guess having a CUE/BIN in gog kinda scuppers my plan of "Everyone will have the .iso"
18:14 <@JonnyH> physfs doesn't support that... :'(
18:15 < SupSuper> rip
18:15 < SupSuper> time to write your own iso/bin loaders!
18:15 < SupSuper> maybe you can ask gog very nicely to change it up :p
18:17 <@JonnyH> #include <bchunk.h>
18:20 < Skin36_> hi
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18:21 <@JonnyH> hi Skin36
18:23 <@JonnyH> Thanks to your help we now have a city minimap :D
18:24 <@JonnyH> And Soon (tm) proper bullet sprites
18:25 <@JonnyH> BTW I rebased physfs on a slightly newer version, a quick test shows it still works, but let me know if any files fail to load
18:25 <@JonnyH> It's been rather... flakey in the past
18:35 < Skin36> I seem to understand that this is an unknown byte in veh_layout
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18:45 < SupSuper> JonnyH: btw i've been thinking, what's the best way to associate the ufopaedia entries with their respective "item"?
18:46 < SupSuper> just take a wild guess based on the id? :p
18:47 <@JonnyH> I was thinking of an enum type to select if it's an agent weapon, vehicle weapon, whatever
18:47 <@JonnyH> then an ID related to that
18:48 <@JonnyH> rather than trying something like "if (ITEM_PREFIX == Weapon::getPrefix()) drawWeaponStats(); else if (ITEM_PREFIX == Vehicle::getPrefix()....
18:48 <@JonnyH> Just assume the ID refers to the type in the enum and error if not?
18:48 < SupSuper> makes sense
18:48 < SupSuper> how does that fit into your magical data extractor though? it gets patched in?
18:49 <@JonnyH> I don't think there's much point in trying to have some kind of generalised "Object" class, as some stuff (e.g. Facilities, Vehicles, Equipment) don't really share much in common...
18:49 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I guess it'll be patched in unless you find a table in the .exe :P
18:50 <@JonnyH> currently UfopaediaEntry::data_id is where I expect that to go
18:50 <@JonnyH> probably add a UfopaediaEntry::data_type of the enum
18:51 <@JonnyH> and you're golden
18:53 < SupSuper> i've pretty much lost track of the data ever since you zipped it up :p
18:55 <@JonnyH> I'm really tempted to make 'zip' part of the build process, so we can properly track it in text
18:55 <@JonnyH> but I don't think windows has the ability to do that from the cmdline?
18:56 <@JonnyH> Maybe some weird shell command to get the explorer zip to work?
18:56 <@JonnyH> In travis I _know_ I have 7zip in the PATH, but it's a rather weird dependency...
18:56 <@JonnyH> Maybe I should build minizip as a binary and use that
18:56 <@JonnyH> I agree that carrying .zip blobs is annoying...
18:57 < SupSuper> you can probably do it with powershell :p
18:59 <@JonnyH> Can you write powershell commands in the POSTBUILD section of .vcxproj?
19:01 < SupSuper> *shrug* you can probably call a shell from a shell and ouroboros your way to freedom
19:03 < SupSuper> can't you just load x.zip if it exists, otherwise load x folder?
19:03 <@JonnyH> %SYSTEM32%\WindowsPowershell\v1.0\powershell.exe -Command "Add-Type -Assembly "System.IO.Compression.FileSystem" ;[System.IO.Compression.ZipFile]::CreateFromDirectory(c:\path", "output.zip") ;"
19:04 <@JonnyH> heh, newer powershells haave a Compress-Archive cmdlet
19:06 < SupSuper> well powershell is just a .net wrapper
19:06 < SupSuper> a really ugly .net wrapper :p
19:07 < SupSuper> leagues better than the msdos wrapper though
19:07 <@JonnyH> COMMAND.COM 4lyfe
19:12 < Skin36> weapons slot always 1 ,  cargo  slot always  0 ,egine slot  always  1
19:13 <@JonnyH> I suspect it might therefore mean if a single item can overlap multiple slots
19:14 < Skin36> you also understand this?  :)
19:16 <@JonnyH> MAybe set a whole vehicle's cargo hold to '1' you won't be able to fit more than a 1x1 item in each
19:16 <@JonnyH> as the larget items need to overlap multiple slots
19:23 < Skin36> and there is
19:25 < Skin36> you can already use it
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19:25 <@JonnyH> Is that correct then?
19:25 <@JonnyH> What a guess :D
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19:27 < Skin36> this is the correct guess
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20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Apparently apoc needs a 1.4ghz processor, 512mb ram and a dx 9.0 gfx card
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Seems a bit much
20:25 < SupSuper> probably accurate for dosbox
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> dx9?
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I would have thought enforcer & inteceptor would have been less, but they're all the same - maybe it's actually the minimum system of gog's installer
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> or some catchall "lowest realistically we kinda even remotely can test on"
20:29 < SupSuper> probably
20:29 < SupSuper> and iirc dosbox software rendering wasn't great
20:29 < SupSuper> it's probably just sdl1.2 blits :p
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20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper 
20:15 < SupSuper> hey
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21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW I'm adding an initial pass for research & ufopaedia dependencies
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I believe every UFOPAedia entry has a 1:1 relation to a research topic?
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> IE  each topic can only unlock one ufopaedia screen
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> and a ufopedia entry can only depend on a single topic?
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21:18 < SupSuper> i'm the last person to know :p
21:18 < SupSuper> sounds sensible though
21:19 < SupSuper> my understanding of apoc research has always been "get enough ufos and eventually you'll win???"
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> MY experience of apoc research was  "Rush to toxiguns, then you win"
21:21 < SupSuper> well, "rush". you have to wait for the toxiguns to come to you
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> You limp through the first 2 weeks waiting for those damn science guys...
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> And sometimes it's worth leaving some aliens in the city so you can go pick up a corpse the second you finish the bio containment thing
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than waiting ~2 days for the next ufos
21:24 < SupSuper> it always pissed me off how early-game research is useless. you pretty much have to get a bio-module, and find room in a ship, and then wait for the ufos, and then wait for the right aliens with cool gear, so stuff *finally* starts getting good
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Any corpse and you just have to research until you get toxiguns
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Get the early lifecycle alive (egg, chryssalid, worms) and you get type b ammo
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> then you win
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> At least the ground battle :P
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> They can still knock you out the sky
21:26 < SupSuper> hey, let's not forget swanky dimension shields :P
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> But until they start doing bombing missions that's all you need, just try to mug one of each ufo type once to get the tech going
21:26 < SupSuper> and then it's sitting around until you finally get enough ufos to go to the other dimension
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> then when you get shields & retaliators you can spend a day in the alien dimension separating out and mugging each ufo
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> then you just have to slog through the endgame missions...
21:27 < SupSuper> that's always when i quit :P
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> The 'flow' of the game in apoc is a bit poor :P
21:28 < SupSuper> also the brainsucker launcher is still king of most worthless research in a videogame ever
21:28 < SupSuper> even if they do stack up on stores like nobody's business
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Each is worth like $300 though
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> That's nearly a grenade or something!
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> If it was me I would change the alien dimension craft buildup
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Something like so the 'big' UFOs avoid the early mission buildings
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can start on them before having air superiority
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus by the time you can clear the alien dimension you have 20+ super agents with shields and disruptor armor & dual toxiguns
21:31 < SupSuper> well throw enough bikes at a problem...
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> making the ground combat a bit meh
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> No bikes in the alien dimension :)
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe make the probe REALLY cheap to counter that?
21:34 < SupSuper> i think i just played the long game of every ufo eventually coming to our dimension and getting really lucky
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, by the time you can get your agents into the alien building without getting shot down
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> you can probably take out everything in the whole alien dimension (if you take you time, mug each group individually and let your sheilds rechange between)
21:40 < SupSuper> oh found my old save
21:43 < SupSuper> yeah by june i already had all the good stuff. toxiguns, disruptors, shields, crafts, etc
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> What's the start date?
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> It only takes ~4 weeks
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> to get most things..
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I seem to remember spending as much time waiting for the labs to build as using then :P
21:45 < SupSuper> march. like i said, i played the waiting game :p
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, if you do *too* well the aliens get new stuff quicker than you can research
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> It makes sense to try to scale them accordingly
21:46 < SupSuper> at least i have plenty of late-game saves if you ever need
21:49 < SupSuper> watching the madness that goes on in openxcom makes me wanna work on openapoc while the feature set is still sane :P
21:54 < SupSuper> but the openapoc engine still has me beat
21:56 < SupSuper> in openxcom, if i wanna do a thing, i just do it. in openapoc, i have to rewrite half the code and it still only kinda works :P
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> What engine?
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> You mean our collection of almost working hacks?
22:01 < SupSuper> if it runs, it's an engine
22:04 < SupSuper> if it doesn't, it's someone else's code :P
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05:08 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0d80941 Jonathan Hamilton: Try to load SerializationArchives from directory trees too...
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17:52 < Skin36_> hi  JonnyH
17:52 <@JonnyH> hi Skin36_
17:53 < Skin36_> How is it going ?
17:53 <@JonnyH> I'm doing OK
17:53 <@JonnyH> I was looking at research yesterday
17:53 <@JonnyH> and was wondering - do we know how scientists/engineers stats are generated?
17:53 <@JonnyH> IIRC they all have a skill value from 60-100?
17:54 < Skin36_> Yes, I have already written about this, it is necessary to look at my record
17:55 <@JonnyH> It was just a linear distribution within that right?
17:55 < Skin36_> yes
17:56 <@JonnyH> and scientists get 'agent' stats too (time units, accuracy etc.) - just you can't see them in the lab ui
17:56 <@JonnyH> I guess they're used when your base gets attacked
17:57 <@JonnyH> (are there android & mutant scientists? I can't remember...)
17:58 < Skin36_> Yes, it is true, but they have just what that byte that sets them apart from the others
17:58 <@JonnyH> their stats are generated differently too, right? Like more psi stuff/less strength for mutants
17:58 <@JonnyH> Is that just a different min/max?
18:00 < Skin36_> you'll have to do the generation of units?
18:00 <@JonnyH> I'll probably at least have a prototype together to get the science screens working
18:00 <@JonnyH> Even if the non-science stats are just stubbed out for now
18:02 < Skin36_> see unit const
18:02 < Skin36_> http://f3.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM3X.png
18:02 <@JonnyH> I gues 4 is the base
18:03 <@JonnyH> and 6 is the "random addition"
18:03 <@JonnyH> like androids ahve health 70, + RAND(0,20)
18:03 < Skin36_> yes
18:03 <@JonnyH> cool
18:04 <@JonnyH> They might be uint16, so 5 is the high byte of 4
18:04 <@JonnyH> That would mean a secuity station actually has 500 health
18:04 < Skin36_> yes
18:05 <@JonnyH> Thanks, I'll try to add that table to the extractor somewhere
18:05 <@JonnyH> so we have a base + RAND value for each stat for each unit type
18:05 < Skin36_> not all the constants are known
18:07 < Skin36_> may try to find a tree research in the code?
18:15 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/tools/extractors/common/research.h
18:15 <@JonnyH> I already have some of the research data decoded
18:16 <@JonnyH> Anyway, I'll have to look at this later
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18:17 < Skin36_> in any case expect proposals for further work
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Do we know about how the derived stats work?
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Like the weight an agent carries and the strength reduce their speed?
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe the same as the previous xcoms did it?
18:19 < Skin36_> I think they are used only in the tactical game?
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, but the numbers are shown in the agent equip UI
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> so they'll have to be calculated somewhere in ufo2p.exe?
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> http://ufopaedia.org/index.php/Time_Units#Encumbrance
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> has some info on what ufo does
18:20 < Skin36_> Yes, most likely
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Then maybe decode the market data
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> and how it scales the price
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. if you sell lots of the same item the price falls
18:22 < Skin36_> Yes, it is interesting
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> as well as a random number being added to the supplies each week (maybe a min,max like the agent stats?)
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc_Data/blob/master/extractors/docs/hexa.txt#L975
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> hexa.txt has offsets for 'market data', but I don't actually know what's in there :P
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18:35 < Skin36_> this ?
18:35 < Skin36_> http://f3.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM3Z.png
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks like it
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Any idea how the price changes?
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Is it a fixed proportion? How many need to be sold to start scaling?
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18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Hey SupSuper 
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I spent a bit of time last night to make the 'SerializationArchives' possibly using directories too
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> So now we just have raw .xml checked in to git again
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Which I agree is much nicer than binary .zip :)
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> It required boost::filesystem though...
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18:57 < Skin36_> http://f5.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM40.png
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> that disasm looks confusing to me
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> v0 = 0; do{... never set v0 ... } while (v0 < 59);
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Uless v0 is somehow midified by sub_96538?
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19:40 < Skin36_> http://f6.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM41.png
19:42 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: ohhhhh nice
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Let me know if it all explodes...
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> OpenApoc --extract-data now 100% generates exactly the same xml files on my windows and linux tests
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> which is nice...
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Having a 'time' in the .zip meant git always thought it changed, even if nothing had :D
20:21 < SupSuper> whatever happened to checksum checks ;p
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a bit wonkey
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> like it assumes if there's dir that's the 'correct' thing to load
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> even if it's empty
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> and it'll try to parse *Every* contained file as xml
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> I might add a manifext.xml with the list of the files that should be there
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> and it could have checksums there too
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> and reject folders without a valid manifest
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> And then I'd still have an 'ignore checksum' mode
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> (or a little tool to recalculate) as otherwise someone modifies their save and it'll be rejected...
20:33 < SupSuper> and modders can't checksum :p
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> crc32 with a custom polynomial?
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> having a manifest or something makes sense anyway, if only to stop you trying to load a random directory as xml :P
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll do that..
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> sha1 checksums? IS that standard enough for you?
20:36 < SupSuper> can't you just check for ".xml"? :p
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> .xml? Or .XML? Or .Xml? Or...
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> And I want mods to have 'data' too in their package in the future
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. images, whatever
20:37 < SupSuper> those are already referenced by the xml though
20:38 < SupSuper> actually doesn't all xml get referenced by some other xml? so i guess you just need one "root" xml that starts the tree off
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, but due to weird design decisions I read and parse everything to xml_docs before actually passing to something that understands the references
20:39 < SupSuper> ah
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> and I don't want the checksums in the reference, as then that'll change that's checksum when modified, which will propogate down the tree..
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Good if I want it signed, bad if I just want error detection
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> If the format isn't perfect but it makes the code easier I'll probably run with it at this point
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> the serialization stuff is abstracted enough I can change it going forward anyway
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> MOAR BOOST - #include <boost/uuid/sha1.hpp>
20:46 < SupSuper> D:
20:47 < SupSuper> so this is making the rounds: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html
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20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> saw that
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> the 'base' ioctl interface of linux isn't really interesting
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> A bit like a non-graphical application through wine is pretty simple
20:50 < SupSuper> this is all i can think of: http://i.imgur.com/FLE41QC.jpg
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/03/30/visual-c-for-linux-development/
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> their 'official' linux support does it's builds by:
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> SSHing into a linux maching
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Copying the .c files over
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> RUnning the linux machine's gcc
20:52 < SupSuper> yeah all i can think of is server/dev uses where you'll likely have a bunch of shell stuff working in tandem
20:52 < SupSuper> much like you can use mingw to build windows exes on linux, now you can use gcc to build linux exes on windows
20:53 < SupSuper> now if only they could debug ELF exes, i'd be set :p
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> The reason why these builds are painful in windows is more due to the build system/other steps relying on 'standard' unix tools and a programmable shell
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Not the lack of gcc.exe...
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: You can already use gdbserver with vs right?
20:54 < SupSuper> ugh command-line debuggers :p
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> As in vs's debugger UI communicates with gdbserver over a network?
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> So no cmdline?
20:55 < SupSuper> i dunno really, i'm just mad at mingw's lack of stack traces, but that's probably very particular
20:55 < SupSuper> i guess the real takeaway is "wow the word Linux on a microsoft system, never thought i'd see that on a million years"
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> that's caus mingw tries to be msvc compatible, not using DWARF
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> and only recently have ms released anything like a spec for the .pdb files
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> and I assume it's not made it into mingw yet
20:56 < SupSuper> actually mingw produces windows exes with DWARF debug info, so it's useless on both sides :p
20:57 < SupSuper> so they have win32 apis designed for a format it doesn't even produce
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> so it'll debug with a windows port of gdb or something?
20:57 < SupSuper> yeah
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> libunwind parses the dwarf sections directly, so that should work...
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Unless it relies on some part of the ELF spec to get to them.. which is probaly does :P
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure how PE w/dwarf works
20:58 < SupSuper> haven't tried libunwind, but i can't use neither the win32 api for it nor the gnu api for it
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> gcc's _Unwind stuff doesn't work?
21:00 < SupSuper> this is what i use: https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Backtraces.html
21:02 < SupSuper> i'll give it credit, it *just works*
21:02 < SupSuper> even through signal handlers and the like with no fancy "oh no i lost the stack" tricks
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22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/serialization-sha/data/difficulty1_patched/openapoc_manifest.xml
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> How's that?
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> We need cryptographically secure checksums for our data dammit!
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> What is someone tries to modify it? *shudder*
22:29 < SupSuper> well i'm certainly not gonna try to modify it now :p
22:29 < SupSuper> so secure i'm gonna start putting all my passwords in xml from now on
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Psst, if you set the SHA1 attribute to "" it's ignored :P
22:35 < SupSuper> but do i dare...
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> And just the 'directory' archives, .zip files have crcs already
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23:58 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 01433ad Jonathan Hamilton: Add openapoc_manifest.xml for Dir-based SerializationArchives...
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00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> now *this* is good: http://techcrunch.com/2016/03/30/be-very-afraid-hell-has-frozen-over-bash-is-coming-to-windows-10/
00:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Hoping to have a gcc-compatible msvc frontend
00:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and one build system for both :)
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00:48 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a7245af Jonathan Hamilton: Add stub research screen
00:48 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2c089fa Jonathan Hamilton: Add research screen to msvc build
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00:49 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: I should probably look at pulling the mini-base selector thing out of BaseScreen, as it's in all the base management screens
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15:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> hey everyone
15:14 <@JonnyH> good day sf
15:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH: I've managed to sorta kinda implement a threaded renderer
15:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> annnd I'm back to 140 ms per frame
15:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> (at least I'm drawing during city update, but still)
15:15 <@JonnyH> Oops :)
15:15 <@JonnyH> Yeah, put the renderer to the side for now I'd say
15:15 <@JonnyH> once we're nearly feature complete we can look at a more 'stabe' use case
15:16 <@JonnyH> I don't want to pour huge amounts of time into it then realise (for example) it doesn't work right on the battlescapes or something..
15:16 <@JonnyH> On my 5x I got ~10 fps at 640x480, which was enough for demo & testing IMHO
15:17 < sf{bed_alloc}> 10 fps? That's suspiciously close to the amount I was getting with the "gles20" renderer on tegra and n4
15:18 <@JonnyH> From my quick profile it shows it's not GPU bound, which means we *can* optimise it later, we're not butting against any hw limitations
15:18 <@JonnyH> It
15:18 <@JonnyH> .It's not going to be playable for years yet...
15:19 <@JonnyH> And maybe by then every device we want to support will have vulkan
15:19 < sf{bed_alloc}> in other news: it took me two days to finally get what you were saying about lto and linker parameters, which I guess makes me somewhat retarded? but the upside is that now I can actually use it!
15:19 <@JonnyH> It can give a decent speedup in some rather specific cases
15:20 < sf{bed_alloc}> unfortunately, it didn't seem to help much, but still good to have it
15:20 <@JonnyH> e.g. you don't have to think if a function should be inlined (and therefore defined in the header) or not
15:20 <@JonnyH> I found it made ~20-30% change in the renderer loop on my chunky x86_64
15:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> maybe we can even have *proper* mips cflags/ldflags
15:21 <@JonnyH> but that was 'caus it was dominated by the sp<> management and call overhead, not by crappy drivers :P
15:21 <@JonnyH> ~30% of something already fast enough is less interesting...
15:22 <@JonnyH> The only mips platform I can think of for dev is the ci20, and that's probably going to be too slow anyway...
15:22 <@JonnyH> I would leave mips if it's *any* work for now...
15:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> https://github.com/sfalexrog/openapoc_android/blob/master/OpenApoc/build.gradle#L220 - basically, just these lines
15:23 <@JonnyH> That's alright then :)
15:23 <@JonnyH> but if you find an issue with the build that's not trivial it's probably not worth chasing at this point...
15:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> the side effect of all that is that I'm getting separate .apks per arch instead of a "fat" binary
15:23 <@JonnyH> We have some new interesting stuff coming out Soon (tm)
15:23 <@JonnyH> but that's going to be mips32r6, which is _quite_ different
15:24 < sf{bed_alloc}> so, -march=mips32r6 then? :p
15:24 <@JonnyH> I will say the arm64 compiler is awfully slow compared to armv7 or x86...
15:25 <@JonnyH> I also recently added a dependnecy on boost::filesystem (needs a lib) and boost::uuid (header only)
15:25 <@JonnyH> to allow loading 'serializationarchives' from directories not just .zips
15:25 <@JonnyH> AS checking-in .zips of the data was a pain, as you can't diff them like you can with xml
15:26 <@JonnyH> It's optional, so for example on android you could zip the directories up and it'll still work
15:26 <@JonnyH> (loadGame("name") searches for a directory 'name' with 'openapoc_manifest.xml' in it to try to read a directory, if that fails it'll try 'name.zip' exactly as before)
15:27 <@JonnyH> Unless storing the files individually would be better for android
15:27 <@JonnyH> And I might have to change physfs soon - as it doesn't support .bin/.cue as apoc is shipped through GOG
15:27 < sf{bed_alloc}> "change" = "use another library"?
15:27 <@JonnyH> so.. yeah, enough to keep up with even if the renderer being non-optimial is accepted for now
15:28 <@JonnyH> "change" = "use another library" - probably
15:28 <@JonnyH> Maybe not a full 'fs' layer
15:28 <@JonnyH> but something like libarchive
15:28 <@JonnyH> We don't use it to write or have random access within files
15:28 <@JonnyH> so half the complexity of physfs is unused
15:29 <@JonnyH> plus the .iso reader  in is it *soo* buggy :P
15:29 < sf{bed_alloc}> even with your patches?
15:30 <@JonnyH> It doesn't handle failure well for one
15:30 <@JonnyH> And if I find one killer-bug that probably means there's 10 we haven't spotted yet, as it's clearly not well tested...
15:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, I'm happy with whatever's not too platform-specific (or can be easily made this way)
15:35 <@JonnyH> Worse case re-implementing fs.cpp for android isn't too bad
15:35 <@JonnyH> Adding a OFile for output too would probably make sense, we're currently using fstream directly for the serialize-out stuff
15:36 <@JonnyH> Then we can hook that into the 'proper' android APIs :)
15:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> how is unix read/write not proper? :p
15:36 <@JonnyH> I mean for saves, through the 'google play game services cloud save' api
15:38 <@JonnyH> Dunno if we can use that properly though, as the game services account would probably be hard to create for a 'reverse engineered legally-gray-area resources game'
15:39 <@JonnyH> Anyway, I hope to get research into a somewhat working state this weekend
15:39 <@JonnyH> Then after that I might look at more infrastructure stuff :)
15:39 < sf{bed_alloc}> as long as we don't redistribute assets, it's probably fine (as long as you're okay with one-star reviews by people who can't read)
15:39 <@JonnyH> Gotta run for a meeting
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15:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, but it's got a "Good Google Play Store Experience" if a newly downloaded game then asks you to upload a .iso through usb :P
15:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I know stuff like opentyrian/openttd is on the market, so you can put it there
15:41 <@JonnyH`Work> but I think the play-games integration required more Google oversight for stuff like that
15:41 <@JonnyH`Work> What would be great is if we could integrate with gog or something
15:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Like it says 'upload your .iso, or enter your gog.com account"
15:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and it can download it from gog if it's in your library :P
15:42 < sf{bed_alloc}> would be great for oxc as well
15:43 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe sup & warboy should ask gog?
15:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Or even enable 'linux' support?
15:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Or are they tied to what 2k supply...
15:43 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, brb
15:44 < sf{bed_alloc}> afaik oxc can work with whatever you can get
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19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper 
19:11 < SupSuper> heya
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19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't think of a good way at the minute to either add .cue/.bin files to physfs, or something else
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> So I'm going to assume that the gog release doesn't exist for the time being
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Or at least the user can run bchunk or something on it first...
19:19 < SupSuper> maybe they can mount/extract it themselves and point the game at it? :p
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> that works too
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I tried cutting down the .iso files we actually use to hopefully add it to the auto builds to re-generate the data
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I got it down to ~35mb compressed (with the sounds & music stubbed out)
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> but then physfs failed to mount the .iso with weird crashes :(
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> So clearly not perfect there still
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21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Do you think I'll insult someone by adding only "Make" and "Famale" as possible genders? :P
21:34 < SupSuper> well if they don't like it they can be androids and aliens?
21:36 < nadir> Add Dysphoric just in case :p
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> So: Make, Female, Dysphoric and AttackHelicopter
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I think androids are still male/female it just makes no difference to anything...
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> It's just the images anyway, no gameplay stuff IIRC
21:47 < SupSuper> not like they even show up ingame...
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, the little portrait images are different
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Which is like _really_ important
21:49 < SupSuper> when they're not covered up by squad and alien numbers?
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC even the paper doll image on the equip screen was a generic one in apoc
21:52 < SupSuper> yup, same as the battlescape unit, some russian-looking generic dude
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> With an epic hat though
21:53 < SupSuper> i wonder if they wear the hat under the armor
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I wouldn't let a hat like that out of my sight, it'll be nicked the second you turn your back
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22:59 < SupSuper> well this isn't confusing at all: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/03/30/visual-studio-15-preview/
22:59 < SupSuper> still, a vs install <1gb and being able to use folders as projects sounds very appealing indeed
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> apparently the c++ compiler is exactly the same as in msvc2015 r2
23:01 < SupSuper> yeah they only mention ide improvements. but it's super early
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, just implemented a prototype agent generaation... as part of my research work...
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> HIFW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1CYncXkCv4
23:05 < SupSuper> but does it blend
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> a
23:06 < SupSuper> i see more boost has been added as well. it's like i don't even know you anymore
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> boost::filesystem
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> as requiring gcc 5.3 or msvc2015 update 2 for the filesystem TS is a bit far IMHO
23:08 <@JonnyH`Work> literally all I use it for is <mkdir> :P
23:08 <@JonnyH`Work> and a bit of error checking (e.g. warn if trying to load a directory as a file / visa-versa
23:08 <@JonnyH`Work> )
23:08 < SupSuper> i think msvc has been unoficially carrying the boost::filesystem for a while now
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> boost::filesystem pretty much is the filesystem TS proposed for 2017 prototype
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> it's (pretty much) the same api IIRC, so if we do switch over it should be simple
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, I also enabled boost::uuid for sha1 calculation
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> but that's header-only
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> and I could do a CRAZY_INTERNAL_CHECKSUM, but standards are standards
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23:12 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2debda2 Jonathan Hamilton: Add 'system' boost dependency in cmake build...
23:12 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ba6aaed Jonathan Hamilton: Initial Agent generation...
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23:12 < SupSuper> oh no THE CHECKSUMS ARE WRONG
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> WHAT DID YOU DO???
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> You didn't checkout on windows did you?
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Those line endings are important dammit!
23:12 < SupSuper> rip :<
23:13 <@JonnyH`Work> oops, didn't mean to push that to pmprog before I added it to msvc...
23:15 <@JonnyH`Work> there we go...
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23:15 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master fcc1c6b Jonathan Hamilton: Add agent files to msvc build
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11:43 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 557885f sfalexrog: Fix typo in trace.cpp...
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12:42 < sf{bed_alloc}> so far the master branch appears to be very android-friendly, the only exception being file paths
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16:56 < SupSuper> eureka!
16:58 < SupSuper> showers really are a place of inspiration
16:59 < Kaljakoppa> And saving water by peeing there
16:59 < Kaljakoppa> Inspiring & saving the planer
16:59 < Kaljakoppa> *planet
17:07 < Kaljakoppa> https://youtu.be/OweE7RqcVIM
17:07 < SupSuper> nice backing music
17:10 < SupSuper> those imps getting jiggy with it
17:10 < Kaljakoppa> Even flippimg textures it seems
17:11 < SupSuper> progress is looking really good, though the lack of lighting on a dk game makes it look really unsettling
17:11 < Kaljakoppa> Need to introduce the concept of gold to the game
17:11 < Kaljakoppa> Yeah, I'm hoping that we get some experts on board
17:12 < Kaljakoppa> I don't know how the lightning could be replicated
17:12 < Kaljakoppa> It is not real
17:12 < Kaljakoppa> We have the parameters, but lack the knowledge & shaders how to use them
17:13 < Kaljakoppa> With SSAO it gets a bit better
17:13 < Kaljakoppa> Doesn't look so flat anymore
17:13 < SupSuper> yeah not really my expertise either
17:13 < SupSuper> the original was just dark by default with lots of light sources everywhere (torches, rooms, cursor, etc)
17:14 < Kaljakoppa> A head of its time with the effects
17:14 < SupSuper> had to show off those fancy new 3d accelerators
17:15 < SupSuper> how are you making this btw? you got any inside info on the game assets, or just reversing the code, or rewriting from scratch, or?
17:15 < Kaljakoppa> Rewriting from scratch
17:16 < Kaljakoppa> Visual reverse engineering mostly
17:17 < Kaljakoppa> The models & various other assets, the formats, were figured out from the code I think
17:17 < Kaljakoppa> I just have the bits of documentation, I'm parsing them together, so assetwise we are far
17:18 < Kaljakoppa> The game contains so many parameters which we now have that some reverse engineering is almost easy
17:19 < SupSuper> nice
17:19 < Kaljakoppa> But again with i.-e
17:19 < Kaljakoppa> i.e. particle effects
17:19 < Kaljakoppa> We have many many parameters, in plain English, but still it's a bit hard to reproduce the original effects :)
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17:22 < SupSuper> you mean game assets are all configured in clear english?
17:27 < Kaljakoppa> No, I mean that the way we reverse engineered most, with a hex editor + the official level editor
17:28 < Kaljakoppa> Level editor gave the English explanations for the variables :)
17:29 < Kaljakoppa> But we need to figure out the real usage, sometimes it is obvious, sometimes not, sometimes the value isn't actually used in-game...
17:29 < SupSuper> oh i forgot it had a level editor
17:30 < Kaljakoppa> Huge undertaking, I puked hex codes for weeks on :)
17:31 < Kaljakoppa> I guess IDA isn't that much nicer :) But of course more accurate
17:31 < SupSuper> yeah i wish i had the stomach to more deeply reverse stuff, but there's no guides or anything
17:32 < SupSuper> just shooting at the dark and hoping for the best :/
17:34 < Kaljakoppa> Your progress is amazing, keeps me hopeful
18:12 < Skin36> hi
18:20 < Skin36> hi SupSuper
18:21 < SupSuper> hey
18:31 < Skin36> http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM54.png
18:31 < Skin36> you do not know what it stands for tile strategy map?
18:33 < SupSuper> what's that from?
18:33 < SupSuper> doesn't look familiar, what's the context?
18:36 < Skin36> tile strategy map(It has 4 colors)
18:38 < SupSuper> so top view? i don't remember anything with that shape
18:39 < Skin36> hm
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19:58 < Skin36> hi
19:58 <@JonnyH> hi Skin36
19:58 < Skin36> http://f1.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM54.png
19:58 < Skin36> you do not know what it stands for tile strategy map?
19:59 <@JonnyH> I don't remember that anywhere...
20:01 <@JonnyH> Is that from the city, or battlescape strategy map?
20:01 < Skin36> you do not know the strategy map tiles are the same for the map of aliens?
20:01 < Skin36> its sity
20:03 < SupSuper> it looks like a stairs/entrance icon but i don't know where in the city that would make sense
20:03 <@JonnyH> I think some of the stratmap entries at the end are for the vehicles/ufo icons
20:03 <@JonnyH> and at least the large UFOs seem to be made up of 4 tiles
20:03 <@JonnyH> so maybe it's 1/4 of something?
20:03 <@JonnyH> http://ufopaedia.org/index.php/City_Maps_%28Apocalypse%29
20:04 <@JonnyH> don't see anything obvious in any of those...
20:07 < Skin36> http://f6.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM56.png
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20:08 < Skin36> in which the tiles file for this map
20:08 <@JonnyH> ufodata/alien_s.{tab,pck} I think
20:09 < Skin36> kk
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20:10 < Skin36> where you can look these tiles?
20:11 < Skin36> where im can look these tiles?
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20:11 <@JonnyH> Not sure
20:11 <@JonnyH> Give me a second and I'll extract and upload some
20:11 < Skin36> ok
20:16 < Skin36> I seem to have found the drawing function map background
20:20 < Skin36> for strat map    http://f6.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM58.png
20:21 < Skin36> City map used to draw the background tile 169 or 5 for alien map
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20:26 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/ufodata/stratmap.pck/pal_01/PCKSTRAT/
20:31 <@JonnyH> and http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/ufodata/alien_s.pck/pal_01/PCKSTRAT/
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20:31 <@JonnyH> note that the first image in alien_s.pck appears to fail to load for us...
20:31 <@JonnyH> either it's invalid (and never used) or our decoder isn't *quite* right..
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20:33 < Skin36> http://f5.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM59.png
20:33 < Skin36> All right, it is tile 5
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20:35 < Skin36> city background tile 169 or 5 for alien map          stratmap  background tile 453 or 5 for alien map
20:37 <@JonnyH> That's the 'endless grass' tile I guess?
20:37 < Skin36> yes
20:38 < Skin36> So, a full size map 120 (or 124)
20:39 <@JonnyH> Presumably as the viewport means you cannot see more than ~10 tiles outside the real city?
20:41 < Skin36> Yes, probably
20:51 < Skin36> 640/32=20 or for y   352/16=22 tiles
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21:10 < SupSuper> JonnyH: out of curiosity, do you have any interceptor saves?
21:10 < SupSuper> i was trying to reproduce the -0.00 bug in the gog version but can't seem to. but i don't remember if it happened in the combat simulator or only in the proper campaign
21:10 <@JonnyH> Naa, sorry
21:11 <@JonnyH> IIRC one of the bugged missions was the probe one
21:11 <@JonnyH> Which can happen pretty early..
21:15 < SupSuper> well they all work fine in the combat simulator
21:15 < SupSuper> and i just tried sitting around in campaign until a probe appeared and it was there as well...
21:16 <@JonnyH> I'll try the combat sim in the steam one
21:16 <@JonnyH> That's broken IIRC
21:17 <@JonnyH> ...won't even start on my laptop :(
21:17 < SupSuper> oh well
21:17 < SupSuper> also seems fine on the steam version now, maybe directx somehow fixed it? :p
21:17 < SupSuper> or it's driver-specific
21:17 <@JonnyH> Or a compatability update?
21:18 <@JonnyH> I'm pretty sure it was an fpu restore issue from some  windows api calls...
21:18 <@JonnyH> Maybe dx?
21:18 < SupSuper> maybe. i'm on w10 but don't have an old pc to conveniently test it on
21:18 < SupSuper> still kinda bizarre for something like that to get fixed
21:22 <@JonnyH> One thing MS do well is backwards compatiblity...
21:25 < SupSuper> btw what's the difference between the patch and patched :p
21:26 <@JonnyH> So the data is 'extracted' from the original data, then it's modified using the patch
21:26 <@JonnyH> the result is the patched, and that's kept so you don't have to re-generate & extract every time you run
21:26 <@JonnyH> So you shouldn't modify the 'patched' one directly
21:26 <@JonnyH> it's the output of 'OpenApoc --extract-data'
21:28 < SupSuper> alrighty
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22:17 < SupSuper> why the hell does every messagebox have different colors
22:17 < SupSuper> palettes? fuck that, i'm just gonna wing it :p
22:39 < SupSuper> ohhhhh i see a research screen
22:39 <@JonnyH> I'm currently working on that as we speak :D
23:12 < SupSuper> here's what i'm working on: http://puu.sh/o57wo/2db007e0c5.png
23:12 < SupSuper> much less exciting but just as painful
23:12 <@JonnyH> Wow :D
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23:15 < SupSuper> i had a realization
23:16 < SupSuper> function pointers!
23:16 < SupSuper> i forgot function pointers aren't complete garbage in c++11 anymore
23:16 <@JonnyH> But of course! More indirection!
23:16 <@JonnyH> You can also package up local state in them, which is epic
23:17 < SupSuper> and lambda them for maximum neatness
23:17 < SupSuper> so messageboxes just take a function to whatever you want to happen or "yes" or "no". it's so simple!
23:17 < SupSuper> fixing up that ui rendering though, that's not so simple...
23:21 < SupSuper> and by the time i get anything showing, it's almost 1am on a sunday :p sigh
23:22 <@JonnyH> My most productive time is probably just after I should have gone to bed
23:26 < SupSuper> and the buttons don't work...
23:29 < SupSuper> well time for bed then :p
23:29 <@JonnyH> Well, good night then
23:29 < SupSuper> g'night
23:31 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/research-wip.png
23:31 <@JonnyH> my current progress..
23:31 <@JonnyH> Might give up myself now though :)
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15:28 <@JonnyH> Kaljakoppa: BTW I build and ran opendk2 without issues on my linux box
15:29 <@JonnyH> I have no idea how JME works at the minute, but I might be able to help move it to the shader pipeline...
15:29 < Kaljakoppa> Oh great!
15:29 <@JonnyH> Though the mouse cursors don't seem to do transparency properly - there's a semitransparent green box around them...
15:29 <@JonnyH> but managed to start a skirmish with no issues
15:30 <@JonnyH> Anyway, gotta run for a meeting, I might be able to have a look at the actual code later today...
15:30 <@JonnyH> BTW what ide do you use? And does it integrate with the build? (I've not used java in years :)
15:30 < Kaljakoppa> Some of the cursor graphics extracted have at least a background, and we have no support for such, it should be made transparent
15:30 < Kaljakoppa> I personally have se the use cursor to false
15:31 < Kaljakoppa> The cursors aren't that great when debuging
15:32 < Kaljakoppa> https://github.com/tonihele/OpenKeeper/wiki/How-to-set-up-OpenKeeper
15:32 < Kaljakoppa> I use the JME 3.1 ALPHA SDK
15:32 < Kaljakoppa> Though not the newest one
15:33 < Kaljakoppa> Gradle is the key here
15:33 < Kaljakoppa> IDE needs to support Gradle
15:33 < Kaljakoppa> And that's it then, it integrates
15:34 < Kaljakoppa> NetBeans isn't the greatest IDE there is, IMO
15:35 < Kaljakoppa> Eclipse is the industry standard when it comes to JAVA, that
15:35 < Kaljakoppa> 's what I use at work
15:35 < Kaljakoppa> But I don't think NetBeans isn't that bad if you haven't used Eclipse ever :)
15:36 < Kaljakoppa> And NB does have few strengths over Eclipse even
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18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Hi sup
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> So, if I want to have a ListBox containing a set of controls
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> (say, an agent photo and a Label)
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> it currently only thinks the list is 'selected' if the base control is the one highlighted
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Is there any way of making it so the events (or whatever) always make it to the base control?
18:48 < SupSuper> event bubbling problems?
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Again :(
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18:49 < SupSuper> dunno, i thought you were the one messing with that :p
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I just wanted to make sure it was still broken before starting to make sweeping changes :P
18:50 < SupSuper> probably, we never got as far as nesting, since your vehicle stuff is all manually drawn iirc
18:50  * JonnyH`Work can't remember how we fixed the multi-form issue in the cityview, I think was the same base problem)
18:50 < SupSuper> well i would either make a control parent that automatically "steals" child controls, or just have the listbox look up the parent hierarchy
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I only did the manual drawing stuff as this didn't work..
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Now it seems to be common fixing 'properly' makes sense
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Or have a flag that marks child-controls as 'invisible' to events
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> ..Isn't a text button make of a button & child Label? How does that work...
18:52 < SupSuper> no they just copy-paste a lot :p
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> :'(
18:53 < SupSuper> i think the problem isn't that child events don't bubble up, but that every event bubbles everywhere
18:53 < SupSuper> so the listbox specifically has to check if the e->Forms().RaisedBy->GetParent is the listbox itself
18:55 < SupSuper> again, i don't have a full understanding of the event system :p
18:55 < SupSuper> but for the listbox case, you can just tweak it so it keeps checking getParent until it either finds the listbox or null
18:55 < SupSuper> would that make sense?
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> like instead of GetParent == this
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> have a ControlIsAncestor(this)
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> or something...
18:59 < SupSuper> right
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> But still that solves it for the ListBox case
18:59 < SupSuper> is that better or worse than figuring out the event system? :p
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> but if I want to nest other controls
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Say, if I want a button with multiple controls 'on' it
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Is there some obvious design change I can make to solve this problem generally and remove all the type-specific single-case workaround...
19:01 < SupSuper> well in general nesting works fine, every control handles itself
19:02 < SupSuper> like if you nest some buttons on a listbox the buttons still individually work
19:03 < SupSuper> the listbox is special because of its unique ListBoxChange and ListBoxHover events for convenience. otherwise you'd have to check for each control click individually
19:04 < SupSuper> so i guess the problem is "how many controls wanna specifically check for child events"
19:05 < SupSuper> also should events go all over the place? also also there might still be something wrong with nesting? because my messagebox is kinda finnicky :p
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19:12 < SupSuper> ok now i remember
19:13 < SupSuper> when an event happens, it just goes everywhere
19:13 < SupSuper> from the top of the framework, down to every children
19:13 < SupSuper> until something "handles it", then it stops going down the children there
19:14 < SupSuper> i think that covers it?
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Ok, so maybe we should change the ListBox code to say instead of RaisedBy->getParent == this
19:15 < SupSuper> i dunno if that's optimal. but for the listbox you always want "topmost child" so i think that is a special case
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> do HandledBy->AncestorOf(this)
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
19:16 < SupSuper> right, i'll write something up
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> And any idea how we're going to do keyboard control? Or do we not care about non-mouse accessibility for a game where not playing with a mouse is kinda impossible anyway...
19:19 < SupSuper> you mean like keyboard shortcuts?
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Like tabbing trough controls etc.
19:20 < SupSuper> hmmm you'd probably need to establish a whole keyboard navigation model
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> There was *some* stuff for that when pmprog first pushed the form stuff
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure if it was anywhere near functional though...
19:20 < SupSuper> not impossible, but the nested controls might get messy
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> And I guess that'll imply setting up a tab order cross nested control trees...
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> "REquire Pointer" it is then :P
19:21 < SupSuper> right
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> No idea how you'd play the cityscape/battlescape without anyway...
19:23 < SupSuper> what makes more sense, parent->getDescendant(child), or child->getAncestor(parent)
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> child->getAncestor() would have to recurse less?
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> As you wouldn't have to expand every level completely?
19:24 < SupSuper> true
19:24 < SupSuper> i want it to both check if child and parent are related, and return the directest-ancestor, as that will be handy for listbox
19:24 < SupSuper> if that makes sense :p
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC the control tree would break if there's a loop, so there should only be one path to the ancestor?
19:25 < SupSuper> basically "while getParent() != null { if getParent() == parent return current; }"
19:25 < SupSuper> yeah if getParent is cyclical, we done fucked up :p
19:26 < SupSuper> damn, as if i hadn't already been thinking of ~~creative openapoc solutions~~ all day, now you gave me more to think about :p
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm thinking of making a control for an auto-expanding Horizontal/Vertical split too...
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> so hopefully I can do this sort of packing without setting absolute Locations
19:28 < SupSuper> i think the listbox automatically does positioning
19:28 < SupSuper> but nothing fancy like "scientist grids" like the research screen has
19:28 < SupSuper> apoc has a pretty complex ui, now that i think about it :p
19:29 < SupSuper> wait til we get to drag'n'drop trees
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> :'(
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Should I make the scientist list scrollable?
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> As in fit more than 10 scientists?
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Same with the lab list (apoc refused to build more labs if they wouldn't fit)
19:32 < SupSuper> *shrug* it'll probably scroll if you use the mousewheel either way
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Having a button appear to indicate "More below" makes sense though
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, off for lunch
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19:51 < SupSuper> well the listbox *still* seems to work. i'll call that a net win :p
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Does it fix the issue w/multiple controls? (JonnyH/master)
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> in the research screen, it doesn't highlight as 'selected' if over the photo/label text
19:53 < SupSuper> seems like it. the downside is now you gotta make sure the parent control is sized appropriately for the highlight border to work
19:53 < SupSuper> on the upside, this means you can easily customize where it shows up :p (since in some cases it covers the label and others it doesn't)
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the 'parent' in mine is a generic Control w/nothing drawn (or at least completely transparent) so that can be tweaked...
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I should add a helper that draws the icon/frame/health bar anyway
19:54 < SupSuper> well it just needs a size
19:54 < SupSuper> oh dear my clang-format broke :< do i need to update?
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's currently copied between the CityView and ResearchScreen (at least)
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> clang-format 3.8 is the go-to now :)
19:54 < SupSuper> yeah we'll probably have a lot of common ui drawing functions, the question is where to put them...
19:55 < SupSuper> SuperDuperUtility.cpp? :p
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Input would be a (sp<Image> photo, float health, Colour healthColour[2]), returns a Control?
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Having a Utils class that encompasses 90% of your code sounds like a good design
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work>  /s
19:56 < SupSuper> for the base stuff i'm thinking of having a parent Stage class, since we'll have a bunch of shared base drawing and switching between bases
19:59 < SupSuper> uh, apparently if clang-format fails to digest .clang-format settings, it doesn't abort. it just reformats everything with default settings D:
19:59 < SupSuper> now our code looks straight out of K&R
20:04 < SupSuper> ok fixed, but it still reformatted every file? i guess you added some new rules
20:04 < SupSuper> looks like it breaks strings and comments now
20:06 < SupSuper> i mean linebreaks
20:11 < SupSuper> i guess run it across the codebase again when you're bored, i don't wanna clutter my commits
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Huh? My clang-format shows no difference to what's checked in?
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20:28 < SupSuper> looks like it enforces column size in strings and comments now: http://puu.sh/o6aMo/d9cf5b8f32.png
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20:33 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f11e0d1 SupSuper: Add nesting support to listboxes
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20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> # clang-format --version
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> clang-format version 3.8.0 (tags/RELEASE_380/final)
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/clang-format-3.8.0-results.png
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> weird...
20:35 < SupSuper> D:\SupFiles\Coding Projects\OpenApoc>clang-format --version
20:35 < SupSuper> clang-format version 3.8.0 (branches/release_38)
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, I may as well push my WIP research screen anyway
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20:36 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vVEMz
20:36 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 74e790f Jonathan Hamilton: More work on the research screen...
20:36 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 500cdaf Jonathan Hamilton: format
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20:36 < SupSuper> wonder if there's anything different between branches/release_38 and tags/RELEASE_380 :p
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe? If they're doing a 3.8.1 or something the branch might have changes on top of the tag?
20:38 < SupSuper> well it *does* look nicer. i dunno
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I dunno, 'splitting strings' is a bit contentious
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> At least in the linux kernel guidelines they're specifically excempt from the column-limit restrictions
20:40 < SupSuper> "File from year 1601 causes fatal error C1073: Internal error involving incremental compilation" lol
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Clearly a common use case, I'm surprised they don't test that
20:44 < SupSuper> hmmm i guess they messed something up in clang-format 3.8 for windows
20:44 < SupSuper> because the 3.9 docs *do* have options like BreakStringLiteral
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe set that to "no" in the .clang-format?
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Wait, you said if it finds an option it doesn't know it aborts... damn
20:46 < SupSuper> actually that was an option with the same name that changed type
20:46 < SupSuper> so a yaml parsing error
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe give it a go?
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Push it to a branch and I'll test on the tagged version before pushing to master though please
20:47 < SupSuper> i don't see an option for the comments though...
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I used "clang-format -dump-config" to get *all* the options
20:49 < SupSuper> and visual studio code is just an text editor with a console anyways. it even does gdb!
20:49 < SupSuper> whoops wrong chat :p
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess to get it's intellisence etc. to work you need a way of setting defines/include paths
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21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> That's nice
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> 0 commits you say?
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Good work SupSuper
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> We'll be done in no time
21:50 < SupSuper> lol
21:50 < SupSuper> that's... impressive
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22:06 < SupSuper> sorry about that
22:07 < SupSuper> on the bright side, git finally works with two-factor auth
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> how are you even doing that?
22:07 < SupSuper> ask visual studio 2015 update 2 :p
22:07 < SupSuper> it somehow found a way to push even if there's nothing to push
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean there are no new heads, no new objects
22:07 < SupSuper> microsoft can do anything!
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> unless it 'git push -f' each time it shouldn't _do_ anything...
22:12 < SupSuper> oh and clang-format doesn't like unknown keys either. welp :p
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> is there a way of versioning the config files?
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> like have a .clang-format-3.8.0 and a .clang-format-3.8.1 or whatever?
22:14 < SupSuper> well my clang-format didn't understand the new settings either
22:14 < SupSuper> so why the hell the windows version and linux version do different things is a mystery
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Clearly the llvm guys went "You know what'll _really_ annoy people using our tools? We make them have completely different behaviour on different platforms! Brilliant!"
22:17 < SupSuper> learning from gcc i see
22:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, gcc gets around that by not providing any useful tools
22:19 < SupSuper> besides a hair of stallman's beard
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> The maintainance cost of that alone means they don't have much time for much else
22:22 < SupSuper> well your research screen is looking good
22:22 < SupSuper> i still can't get my messageboxes to work :p
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> * Make Stages inherit from Controls
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> * Make GetForm() just reutrn a Control (make 'Forms' no longer a thing)
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> * Implement dialog boxes as a new fullscreen control on top of the most-parent control (IE the Stage)?
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> * Re-write whole Form system from scratch to fix one small issue
22:24 < SupSuper> well i mean, the messagebox works fine
22:24 < SupSuper> but its child buttons don't work?
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> * Introduce 100 new issues during the re-write
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Don't work as in don't get events?
22:25 < SupSuper> yup
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Or the callbacks aren't being triggered?
22:25 < SupSuper> i'm probably missing something super obvious as usual
22:26 < SupSuper> and events are a pain to debug because everything is a event :p
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I often set a breakpoint on a line after the if(type) checks
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> or use a conditional breakpoint
22:28 < SupSuper> what *do* Forms do anyways
22:28 < SupSuper> i guess load xml?
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I think so?
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I think in everything we use it for the top-level parent happens to be a Form
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> but I don't think that's required?
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> It doesn't do anything much outside the top-level ResolveLocation?
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> And that could probably be triggered from any parent Control..
22:30 < SupSuper> true
22:30 < SupSuper> well i found the idiot alert
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> You could make setLocatioN() set a dirty flag to re-resolve?
22:30 < SupSuper> forgot to do form->Update();
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> and not blindly call it every Form::Update?
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> that'll mean they still think they're at {0,0} right?
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Time to do that dirty flag thing?
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Might need to go through and remove all direct Control::Location accesses too
22:32 < SupSuper> ResolveLocation is only called when a control is added actually
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Form::Update calls Control::ResoloveLocation(), which calls it again on each subcontrol?
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> so goes all the way down the tree?
22:33 < SupSuper> huh
22:33 < SupSuper> it's not that great anyways, as the "dynamic" locations you can set through xml aren't available anywhere else :p
22:33 < SupSuper> well messagebox works fine now, i really am an idiot sometimes
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Join the club
22:34 < SupSuper> this probably wouldn't happen if stages were a form
22:34 < SupSuper> although then you probably couldn't do multiple forms as easily
22:35 <@JonnyH`Work> You would have both 'sub-forms' being children of the Stage?
22:38 < SupSuper> you mean sub-stages
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, sub-forms, I'm saying everything that can take input/draw anything on a Stage becomes a Control (eventually) parenting on the Stage
22:39 < SupSuper> ah right
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> and instead of (for example) drawing the City directly in CityviewStage::Render
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I add a Render callback to the 'CityView' control
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Just thinking, don't think this is in any way 'correct' or 'right'
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Feel free to pick holes
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> None of this will ever be implemented and tested :P
22:41 < SupSuper> you lost me at callback :p
22:41  * JonnyH`Work is a relapsing callback addicft
22:43 < SupSuper> tbf
22:43 < SupSuper> everytime i look at our EventOccured code
22:43 < SupSuper> i just think "man i wanna turn all of this into LAMBDAS"
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> then you have 2 problems
22:45 < SupSuper> well it's no promises...
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/game/city/cityview.cpp#L141
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Proof that no matter how many fancy language features you use
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> An idiot can find a way of writing impossible to follow bad code
22:46 < SupSuper> better than if-chains
22:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Possibly :P
22:46 <@JonnyH`Work> and random early returns to not hit the next one too
22:46 < SupSuper> it would help if they were formatted like normal functions
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> feel tree to tweak the clang-format file
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> (One of the things adde din 3.8 over 3.7 was more lambda-formatting options)
22:47 < SupSuper> well if it was me i'd just make the brackets new-line like normal functions?
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Be my guest :P
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> That will probably make then a bit clearer certainly
22:48 < SupSuper> you know what happens if i use clang-format right
22:48 < SupSuper> it's gonna mess with all the strings!
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> At least separate the line of addCallback() from the function itself
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> https://clangformat.com/
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> actually, that doesn't look like it's been updated to 3.8 yet...
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> http://zed0.co.uk/clang-format-configurator/
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> that has "HEAD", which might be closer?
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> ..or not as the case may be...
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23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, anyway, a bit of a different topic: Update loops
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I believe apoc have 4 levels - one 'every tick' (Not run at fastest speed)
23:07 < SupSuper> polished it up: http://puu.sh/o6ld5/02f4992b67.png
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> one every 5 minutes, one every day and one every week
23:07 < SupSuper> don't think the font is quite right...
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I know the kerning isn't quite right
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Might be what you're seeing as 'off'?
23:08 < SupSuper> yeah, wonder how that's set up
23:08 < SupSuper> anyways, carry on
23:08 <@JonnyH`Work> (Maybe an hourly one too? I think alien invasions only ever happened on the hour?)
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23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, so I was going to make it so vehicles not already in the city (IE landed) only check for a new mission every ~5 minutes
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> and stuff like research point accumulation is only ever 5 mins too?
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I was just going to have a separate function in GameState() for each
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> so 'everything' that affects the game logic/ai has to be triggered from there
23:10 < SupSuper> makes sense
23:10  * JonnyH`Work is going to check that hourly theory...
23:10 < SupSuper> i never really measured it
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW can you add a 'confirm quit' dialog to the escape-key handler in the cityscape too?
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I keep hammering esc one too many times :)
23:11 < SupSuper> i might be biased from familiarity though: https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/src/Geoscape/GeoscapeState.cpp#L655 :p
23:12 < SupSuper> lol, i think esc in the cityscape should just pause
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Or go to InGameOptions?
23:12 < SupSuper> yeah
23:12 < SupSuper> does repairs/heals/etc run every tick?
23:13 <@JonnyH`Work> test 1: Alien alert aligned to 5 mins
23:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Nope, every hour I think?
23:13 <@JonnyH`Work> You can see the damage flowing up in chunks
23:13 <@JonnyH`Work> ufo spotted at 23:30? Half hour? Or 5 mins?
23:13 <@JonnyH`Work> alert 23:55 - again 5 mins
23:14 < SupSuper> well ufos are probably spawned in the alien dimension first? so who knows
23:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I think they;re all every 5 minutes...
23:14 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC UFOs spawn in the alien dimension at the beginning of every week
23:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Which ufos spawn depend on the week
23:15 <@JonnyH`Work> and it has a limited set of sets of UFOs that can perform a mission
23:18 < SupSuper> oh we don't *have* kerning, that explains a lot
23:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Only after we did quite a bit of that did we figure out the .spc files
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> we just treat everything as a fixedwidth font right now
23:21 < SupSuper> ah
23:21 < SupSuper> yeah i never implemented kerning in openxcom since it was hardcoded in the exe :p
23:26 <@JonnyH`Work> apoc seems to work by having a (start,end) size for each row of pixels
23:26 <@JonnyH`Work> and allows them to be as close as possible without two ranges overlapping
23:26 <@JonnyH`Work> (I think it may be actually one range per pair of rows)
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23:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e4feb45 SupSuper: Show pause screen on ESC
23:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e0e6e69 SupSuper: Add a MessageBox stage
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23:30 < SupSuper> well that's a start
23:30 < SupSuper> next i'll actually put the messagebox in useful places
23:31 < SupSuper> i'm not proud that it took me two days just to get a bloody modal box on screen :p
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18:18 < SupSuper> hey
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> hola
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> So I'll probably create a new Lab object to keep track of all that sort of stuff
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than having a set of assigned agents in the FAcility itself...
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> but I got the majority of the scientist assignment UI working at least
18:36 < SupSuper> cool
18:36 < SupSuper> i'm gonna start breaking shit!
18:36 < SupSuper> and by that i mean add more base management functionality
18:39 < SupSuper> btw do we support boost::locale boundaries?
18:41 < SupSuper> doesn't look like it. ah well
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> We should...
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Control::WordWrap is kinda nasty...
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> and if I want controls to be 'springy' (IE 'try' to be larger so they expand to fill my planned Horizontal/Vertical split Controls) it might need some work too...
19:00 < SupSuper> well i'm currently moving WordWrap out of Control. 1. it has no business being there 2. i need some font metrics for my messagebox
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19:04 < SupSuper> also looks like clang-format has arbitrarily stopped messing with linebreaks? go figure
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm also looking into adding the research 'requirements', so hopefully then we can have the proper tree in-game
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19:46 < SupSuper> behold, the magical dynamical message box! be amazed as its fits any combination of paragraphs! http://puu.sh/o7ldZ/a4c3d7c7ef.png
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19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Does it have a non-modal version?
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> So you can block out part of the screen, and not gray everything out?
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> (Like the 'select target' / 'select building to buy' messages in the city)
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Y e s    N o
19:48  * JonnyH`Work really should implement kerning...
19:49 < SupSuper> not really, Stages are modal by default. and you'll need a different layout for the cityscape anyways
19:49 < SupSuper> aren't those modal as well? at least the simulation pauses...
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> You can still select other vehicles and whatnot from the tabs at the bottom
19:50 < SupSuper> oh it just freezes the current vehicle in place
19:50 < SupSuper> that's... dumb :p
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Like you can click 'attack vehicle', then select it in the list
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Dumb is the name of the game!
19:51 < SupSuper> last i want is my vehicle to become a sitting duck while i'm giving orders!
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH I might change that, 'caus seriously
19:52 < SupSuper> and to think i had to go through all this trouble because apoc uses 10 lines to say 1 line
19:52 < SupSuper> "Planning permission is denied for this proposed extension to the base, on "
19:52 < SupSuper> "the grounds that the additional excavations required would seriously weaken "
19:52 < SupSuper> "the foundations of the building."
19:53 < SupSuper> creative much?
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Try to build too many labs
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Even more BS there :P
20:12 < SupSuper> you can build too many labs?
20:14 < SupSuper> hahahaha found it
20:14 < SupSuper> "Regulation 44(1)(e) of the health and safety at work (labs and workshops) "
20:14 < SupSuper> "act (2074) prohibits the construction of more than 6 small or more than 4 "
20:14 < SupSuper> "large labs or workshops in any one basement. Contractors therefore refuse to"
20:14 < SupSuper> " carry out the proposed illegal construction work."
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> That's some classy BS there
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Bet the writer was proud
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Those meddling governments also just happened to cap it at what can fit in the lab screen
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20:55 < SupSuper> http://i.imgur.com/I56W5IJ.gif wow it's like a real videogame!
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> wow
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW as part of my 'requirements' stuff I'll be removing the unused buildings (cells, 'large' alien containment)
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> as they 'depend' on inaccessible research
21:02 < SupSuper> hurray
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> STR_NOT_APPEARING_IN_THIS_FILM
21:02 < SupSuper> how are we gonna define the amount of starting facilities? just shove a std::map somewhere?
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure how we can 'guarantee' fitting though
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe if we try to place the 2x2 ones first there isn't a layout that cannot fit?
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I've already added some 'initial' state in the GaemState root
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> for how many agents you start with
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> having a std::map<StateRef<FacilityType>, int> initial_facilities;
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> would probab yowkr...
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> probably work
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> The letters are in there somewhere..
21:05 < SupSuper> yeah my code already checks for every possible free space when randomly placing
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Wrap that with 'retry until it finally fits' and we're good?
21:05 < SupSuper> so as long as the one 2x2 facility comes first it should be fine. and if modders can't deal with it, i'll just sort it by size desc :p
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> running on the assumption that the rng will eventually find somethig that fits...
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> You could do it backwards, find the number of possible 2x2 fit locations and randomize within that...
21:06 < SupSuper> i do ;)
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> nice :)
21:06 < SupSuper> 'random until it finally fits' is not very effective with apoc's weird-ass layouts
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I just assumed it went (while (!fit) { pos = rand();}
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> a few thousand attempts probably wouldn't even be noticed in the profile :P
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21:24 < SupSuper> "huh my messagebox is crashing when i push a button, but i thought i specifically checked for that..."
21:24 < SupSuper> "if (callbackYes) callbackNo();"
21:25 < SupSuper> oh
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> ups
21:29 < SupSuper> the way c++ loves overloading operation bool will always amaze me :p
21:29 < SupSuper> "put it in an if. put *everything* in an if"
21:32 <@JonnyH`Work> explicit operator bool() {return rand()%1;}
21:49 < SupSuper> wow i just looked at the auto-generated xml
21:49 < SupSuper> <entry><key><entry><value><key><entry><entry>
21:49 < SupSuper> ...why
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> std::list<std::map<std::list, T>, T>>?
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> std::list expeands to <entry>WHATEVER</entry>
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> std::map expands to <entry><key>KEY</key><value>VALUE</value></entry>
21:52 < SupSuper> someone didn't like attributes huh
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus attributes can only be a single value
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> while KEY and VALUE can be arbitrary objects
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> which may have sub-objects...
21:52 < SupSuper> hm
21:53 < SupSuper> this is still why people make fun of xml :p
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> It's more an issue with any tree where you don't know the depth at the point you're writing it out :P
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> It's just xml is more verbose than some
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I could trivially add a rapidjson backend if you want :P
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Or a binary file
21:54 < SupSuper> nah, we actually have to write these... :p
21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Or a lolcode backend...
21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Pls has value
21:55  * SupSuper dies
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> With a big comment at the top saying "Supsuper specially asked for this"
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> any tree where each node has a name
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> and either a value, or a set of other child nodes
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> would work
21:58 < SupSuper> json is probably the closest match, but it only allows strings in keys
21:59 < SupSuper> though you can encode any object in a string...
22:01 < SupSuper> i wonder if recursive json is a thing
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> If you can conceive of it
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> someone, somewhere, has implemented it in their enterprise app
22:20 < SupSuper> whoops i looked at gamestate_serialize.cpp and died
22:25 < SupSuper> so how do i update the xmls?
22:25 < SupSuper> nm found it. wow that takes a long time
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> --extract-data
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> don't do --serialization-test unless you're testing the savegame stuff?
22:39 < SupSuper> hmmm looks like 2x2 facilities still have trouble fitting. damn funky base layouts :p
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> The only 2x2 you start with is the vehicle bay right?
22:39 < SupSuper> yeah, and it still fails! time to increase the algorithmness
22:42 < SupSuper> and by that i mean stick a while loop :p
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> while (!done) { try_harder(); }
22:45 < SupSuper> i bet that's how apoc does it...
22:46 <@JonnyH`Work> or they store off "POSSIBLE_2X2_SLOTS" in the data somewhere
22:47 < SupSuper> yeah that was my next option but it's late :p
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
22:49 < SupSuper> btw don't know if you've noticed, but the rng seed is always the same :p
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Intentioally
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I wanted things halfway predictable for now
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Seed it with time() or something if you want
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I was thinking about replacing stD::default_random_generator with our own anyway
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> so it can be saved in/out of the savegame
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> (the standard specified a to/from string << >> stream operators, but the format is platform-dependent)
22:56 < SupSuper> fair enough
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23:20 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SupSuper pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vVaaU
23:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master dfe2920 SupSuper: Move WordWrapText to Font
23:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8f04f14 SupSuper: Add error messages to facility building
23:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e8b0088 SupSuper: Add facility removal
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23:20 < SupSuper> that should make the base more lively :)
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00:00 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f08142e Jonathan Hamilton: Make some image loading faster...
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14:16 < kkmic> Hi JonnyH
14:17 <@JonnyH> hey
14:17 < kkmic> Are you using a IRC bouncer or are you simply leaving you PC/laptop on all the time?
14:18 <@JonnyH> IRC bounder :)
14:18 <@JonnyH> Well, a server w/a screen session running
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14:20 < kkmic> I don't quite get it... are you using a dedicated bouncer or you just have your server on and do a remote desktop (or similar) to the client running there?
14:20 <@JonnyH> Pretty much a terminal version of a remote desktop
14:21 <@JonnyH> 'caus I like to pretend I know what I'm doing with lots of boring text scrolling past :)
14:22 < kkmic> :)
14:24 < kkmic> Are you aware of a client/server like IRC client, that will have the server running remotely and staying connected to the IRC network, and you can use the client at any time to connect to your server and view backlogs and such?
14:24 < kkmic> Do I make sense? :)
14:24 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I know of such things (and have used them)
14:24 <@JonnyH> but this irc session is just part of the session state I keep going
14:25 <@JonnyH> and it also logs everything going on here (SO WATCH YOUR POTTY MOUTH!!)
14:25 <@JonnyH> :P
14:25 < kkmic> I WILL!! OH SHIT CAPS!!!!
14:25 < kkmic> Can you please name me one such solution?
14:26 <@JonnyH> BNC, ZNC
14:27 < Kaljakoppa> https://bnc4free.com/
14:28 <@JonnyH> I think znc was the one I used to run myself...
14:28 <@JonnyH> It's just a tool though, so you still need someone to run it if you don't have random servers already floating around the net ;)
14:28 < kkmic> I have my own "server" (a Raspberry Pi actually), and I'd rather run my own dedicated service
14:29 <@JonnyH> Not having it behind crappy comcast internet is useful here too :)
14:30 < kkmic> Comcast? Is it as bad as they say?
14:30 <@JonnyH> pretty much...
14:30 <@JonnyH> I literally have no choice
14:31 <@JonnyH> for $60/mo they give me something that can't stream netflix at peak times
14:31 <@JonnyH> It was much better when I was in the UK...
14:31 <@JonnyH> and this is the SF bay area, you would have thought the infrastructure would already be there...
14:31 <@JonnyH> It might be kinda understandable if you were miles away from anything and needed your own cable laid, but no
14:32 < kkmic> I pay about 10 euros for 100 Mbits/s (not bytes) - and I'm pretty sure the provider offers more, but my crappy router is only 10/100 capable :)
14:33 < kkmic> How's Google Fiber doing?
14:33 <@JonnyH> Currently fighting comcast in the courts ('caus if you can't beat them pay off the politicians)
14:33 <@JonnyH> same with municipal networks (IE communities/cities paying for their own - it's actually _illegal_ in some places to lay your own cables! So much for *free market*...)
14:35 < kkmic> There is no such thing as free
14:35 <@JonnyH> true, but they seem to be choosing the worse of both worlds atm...
14:36 < kkmic> There's only "free enough so that there aren't many people complaining"
14:36 <@JonnyH> Or at least they try to hide what they're trying to do...
14:36 < kkmic> And what "enough" meas depends on who you are asking
14:36 < kkmic> *means
14:37 < kkmic> Yeah...
14:37 <@JonnyH> Politics in the US is weird - people seem to vote against their own best interests
14:37 < kkmic> Well, bnc4free uses ZNC it seems
14:37 <@JonnyH> The poor vote for the *Cut taxes on the rich* guy
14:37 < kkmic> Oh, don't worry, that's how things are everywhere
14:39 < kkmic> Here it's not a matter of choosing between a corrupt and a law-abiding politician, it's a matter of trying to determine who of those that can be elected is the least corrupt one
14:39 < kkmic> Obviously, all of the well-known names are
14:39 < kkmic> Romanian politics, that is
14:41 < kkmic> Oh, and people vote with the politicians who literally set up some sort of party "for poor" with free meals and such (not exactly a free meal, mostly a free snack), and the bastards vote for him
14:41 <@JonnyH> Vote for me, get a free meal...
14:42 < kkmic> Yep, you nailed
14:42 < kkmic> Yep, you nailed it
14:42 < kkmic> And it's only ONE free meal
14:42 < kkmic> People are stupid
14:43 < kkmic> And that's when they bother counting the votes
14:43 <@JonnyH> It might be a case of rose tinted glasses, but I thought the UK stuff was slightly less insane...
14:44 < kkmic> A few years ago in a village, the percentage of people who voted was about 120%... and no, there were no people outside the village who voted there
14:45 <@JonnyH> There was something a couple of years ago where a good proportion of the votes from some district turned out to be deceased...
14:47 < kkmic> Oh, that's normal in some parts
14:47 < kkmic> of the country
14:48 < kkmic> Even better, if you don't vote, since they have your identification card details (they need to identify you when you show up), guess how is it is to put votes in the names of the people who have not actually voted
14:48 < kkmic> *how easy
14:48 < kkmic> Sometimes I think that it can't be worse anywhere
14:48 <@JonnyH> The event I was thinking of in the UK was postal votes apparently
14:49 <@JonnyH> At least it's better than zimbabwe...
14:49 <@JonnyH> Anyway, gotta run off for a meeting
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14:49 < kkmic> Have fun :)
14:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I can assure you I won't...
14:49 < kkmic> Then may it be short :p
14:50 < kkmic> I'll try ZNC out, seems pretty much what I'm looking for
14:52 < kkmic> It's even available in the Raspbian repos
14:52 < kkmic> Nice
15:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Whelp, that was cancelled and nobody bothered to tellme...
15:06 <@JonnyH`Work> A waste of getting into work early... At least it was short :)
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15:47 < Skin36_> hi
15:47 <@JonnyH`Work> hi Skin36_
15:48 < Skin36_> im have some news
15:48 <@JonnyH`Work> oh?
15:48 < Skin36_> relations structure
15:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Nice :)
15:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Haven't looked at relations yet
15:49 <@JonnyH`Work> but EVERYONE_IS_HOSTILE clearly isn't correct :)
15:49 < Skin36_> yep
15:49 <@JonnyH`Work> (but it's useful for testing weapons :)
15:51 < Skin36_> as you comfortably, original disassembler or Python function?
15:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Either - maybe paste it on the forum
15:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't really know python so maybe the disasm would be better?
15:53 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-4tfn6TM78/
15:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably the first thing I would fix in openapoc is to stop transtellar starting friendly to the aliens - that's pretty mad...
15:54 < Skin36_> disassembler sometimes so confused ...
15:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Ok, so that's setting the initial relations based on difficulty?
15:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Or is that modifying it as a result of an action, like something being destroyed?
15:54 < Skin36_> нуы
15:54 < Skin36_> yes
15:55 < Skin36_> initial relations based on difficulty
15:55 <@JonnyH`Work> seems odd it'll keep the same thing in two places...
15:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Actually, I seem to remember is keeps the initial relationship state as a 'default'
15:55 <@JonnyH`Work> that'll slowly slide back to that if nothing else happens
15:56 < Skin36_> there are actually 3 structures!
15:58 < Skin36_> in save game funk :
15:58 < Skin36_> http://f5.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM79.png
15:59 <@JonnyH`Work> interesting...
15:59 <@JonnyH`Work> and each struct has (a->b) and (b->a)?
16:00 < Skin36_> something like that
16:06 < Skin36_> http://f4.s.qip.ru/tfn6TM7a.png
16:06 < Skin36_> in exe
16:06 < Skin36_> relations
16:06 < Skin36_> 28x28xdword
16:09 <@JonnyH`Work> there doesn't seem to be a nuget package for qt5 :'(
16:10 < Skin36_> what ?
16:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm starting to write tools to edit the game state with a gui
16:11 <@JonnyH`Work> and using qt5 for that 
16:11 <@JonnyH`Work> but the 'standard' windows package manager doesn't have qt 5 (only the older qt4 :')
16:11 < Skin36_> im love PYQT
16:12 < Skin36_> qt4 was cool
16:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I want to use c++, so I can #include exactly the same serialiation code
16:13 <@JonnyH`Work> so I don't have to have 2 copies of pretty much the same thing (and they'll never diverge or anything)
16:14 < Skin36_> I want to test this function in Python, then I write about it on the forum.By the way, until I noticed that the relations affect the generation units, but it is yet to be verified.
16:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I *know* if you're hostile to SELF you don't get androids
16:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and mutant alliance to mutants too
16:18 < Skin36_> ок it is necessary to check
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18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Heh, someone on the forums happens to be asking for exactly what I'm working on right now :)
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> NAmely a better way of extracting/importing/overriding images
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18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> hola SupSuper 
18:31 < SupSuper> hey
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> #include <qt.hpp>
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> MOAR DEPENDENCIES
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> a separate executable and optinally built though :)
18:34 < SupSuper> oh god why
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> editor
18:35 < SupSuper> see my previous comment
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> it's slightly less painful than editing the xml on my hdd with a magnetic needle & steady hand?
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> but not a lot
18:37 < SupSuper> suit yourself
18:38 < SupSuper> all editors crumble for me once i need copy-paste :p
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> vim is great
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> you can copy-paste based on search deliminators, so column replacement, direct support for xml tags
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> And gives you this sweet beard whenever you use it
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Keeps getting caught in my belt though
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, either way I've added .png palette support
18:40 < SupSuper> ohhhhhh
18:40 < SupSuper> wait, what does that mean?
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> as well as saving the Images (maintaining alpha and palette) to png
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> So you can load a png file that's indexes and we can replace the palette of it like a .pck-sourced image
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> and saveImage doesn't use .bmps that wipe alpha :)
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll just actually test it and then push it...
18:41 < SupSuper> huh, how'd you pull that magic? most stuff doesn't acknowledge pngs have palettes
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> You can access it through lodepng file
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> it just defaults to "Please munge down to RGBA8888"
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> you can tell it not to and access the palete
18:42 < SupSuper> ah right, i remember i messed around with it at some point
18:42 < SupSuper> but i didn't like it :p
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Of course you'll have to be careful with tools
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> as they like doing stuff like trimming & reordering the palette
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> which will break everything...
18:43 < SupSuper> welcome to openxcom ;)
18:43 < SupSuper> aseprite has become my 8-bit image editor because of that
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> aesprite outputs what formats?
18:44 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/o8ws0/8b716b6a3f.png
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Hopefully the .pngs it outputs will work :)
18:45 < SupSuper> works fine in openxcom. it's cross-platform, too
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Or we'll have to have a 'find the closest colour in the palette and re-index' pass...
18:45 < SupSuper> as you can tell by the non-native ui :p
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> which will be annoying as there are repeated colours in some palettes...
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> doesn't it use allegro4 or something equally ancient?
18:46 < SupSuper> yeah
18:47 < SupSuper> and it's open-source so you can always go poke if you need some image tricks: https://github.com/aseprite/aseprite/
18:48 < SupSuper> although i wouldn't recommend doing that. we just let sdl deal with discrepancies, and then it became a feature, and now modders have all kinds of wacko images :p
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> sdl does that reverse-indexing pass I think...
18:49 < SupSuper> plus modders hate palettes...
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> in the city? *deal with it*
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> outside the city? RGB's fine
18:52 < SupSuper> btw did any of my stuff break?
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> not that I've noticed
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I successfully destroyed a facility too
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> and it didn't crash
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> *Gold standard*
18:53 < SupSuper> wow
18:54 < SupSuper> destroying stuff's always scary, you always expect some pointer to end up loose
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I was thinking of assing a GameState::destroy(StateRef<Object>) for some stuff
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> so we can do things like unhook cross-references etc.
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> in one place
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19:32 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: btw i still don't get, what's the difference between a StateRef and accessing the state directly?
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> stateref allows lazy loading
19:32 < SupSuper> a StateRef is for when you need to keep a member ref around?
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. I can reference a FACILITY_ before the facility type is actually read in
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> it's just a wrapper around a UString-keyed state lookup
19:34 < SupSuper> ah right
19:34 < SupSuper> also is sf{bed_alloc} still alive? i wanted to ask him something
19:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> huh buh wha?
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> AKA - use StateRefs<> where possible instead of a sp<> or UString-and-lookup
19:36 < SupSuper> sf{bed_alloc}: do you know if sdl2 supports windows phone?
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> winrt?
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> https://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/file/bc8ac6c0cd98/VisualC-WinRT
19:37 < SupSuper> who knows they keep changing it up :p
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19:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> SupSuper: well, they _claim_ they do. They seem to have "boilerplate" projects in their https://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/file/bc8ac6c0cd98/VisualC-WinRT
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> it seems to have code for that...
19:37 < SupSuper> right
19:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> never actually tried that
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> you'll need to find someone with a windows phone :)
19:37 < SupSuper> relatedly, what are the odds of your sdl2 port working on something other than android?
19:39 < SupSuper> i hear the windows phone emulator is pretty good...
19:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, it worked on windows last time I've checked (was a while ago, mind you), worked on linux (SDL_gfx is a bit of a pain, but otherwise everything is fine), reportedly works on mac os x, some brave soul had managed to get it to work on iOS a while back
19:41 < SupSuper> maybe i'll mess around with it. a ios port is also fairly requested, but we can't even find osx devs, much less ios devs :p
19:42 < sf{bed_alloc}> grep "#ifdef __ANDROID__" | wc -l | cry
19:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> then again, I *think* I've managed to replace most of those with a more generic __MOBILE__ at some point
19:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> ...probably a good time to at least update the branch...
19:44 < sf{bed_alloc}> managed to have some mismerges resulting in a bugged soldier diary function
19:44 < SupSuper> that's what you get for merging in fan patches ;p
19:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> did no such things, no sir! (why, I don't know anything about that sdl2_extended branch...)
19:46 < SupSuper> looks like sdl2 currently supports win8phone but not win10phone. oh well, at least i can put "did a mobile thing once" on my portfolio
19:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> aren't they, like, backwards-compatible?
19:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> also, maybe uwp is now windows 10 phone?
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19:48 < sf{bed_alloc}> (ms surely does these things easy and not confusing at all)
19:48 < SupSuper> hahahaha
19:48 < SupSuper> i doubt w8p works with w10p given the whole new "universal app" paradigm
19:48 < SupSuper> and yeah uwp is the new windows 10 phone / store / box model
19:49 < sf{bed_alloc}> they do seem to have a uwp project in their source tree...
19:49 < sf{bed_alloc}> it's not like building sdl2 from sources is scary, I do it all the time! :v
19:50 < SupSuper> sdl is easy, it's all the other stuff i worry about :p
19:50 < SupSuper> windows 10 mobile has barely been out anyways, so i doubt anyone's using it
19:51 < sf{bed_alloc}> just target androids :p
19:51 < sf{bed_alloc}> also, it can't end up being much worse than this: https://github.com/sfalexrog/openapoc_android/blob/master/OpenApoc/build.gradle
19:53 < sf{bed_alloc}> (that's having SDL, icu, some Boost libs and OpenApoc in basically a single project. How they don't conflict and somehow work is beyond me.)
19:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> by the way, JonnyH`Work, why do we have unzipped .xmls again? apart from the fact that they're easier to edit that way
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> git diffing & editing
19:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> and what's more important, should they be referenced in the code as being in data/ or in the "root"?
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> You can zip them up and it'll load them fine
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> if "PATH" is a directory with a 'openapoc_manifext.xml' in it uses that
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise it uses "PATH.zip"
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> it doesn't use a manifest for zips (it's assumed all contained files are gamestate xml, and zip does it's own checksums)
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> if you want we could add a 'zip ${path} ${path}.zip' build step?
19:59 < sf{bed_alloc}> I think I've already got that somewhere in that gradle file
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> you'll probably want to exclude the _manifest.xml files though
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> they'll be parsed and ignored, but it seems a waste
20:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> and if we're going the "don't unpack the assets, we can just read them from the apk" route, they'll be zipped either way (the only difference is whether they're going to be double-zipped :p)
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> double-zipping seems a bit pointless...
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> But re-using the same code (but with pack=true to write a .zip not a dir) makes sense to have 'single file savegames'
20:04 < sf{bed_alloc}> by the way, camera position doesn't seem to be serialized :( (or deserialized? anyway, pretty sure it gets lost somewhere in the process)
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> no, camera position isn't
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> no 'ui' state is
20:05 < SupSuper> i'd define a camera as a 'world' thing, but depends how you think about it :p
20:05 < SupSuper> but yeah it's important. not that i've tried savegames
20:06 < SupSuper> the camera doesn't really focus on things yet anyways
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20:07 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 51d6604 Jonathan Hamilton: Allow writing PNG images and reading Paletted PNG images
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20:09 < sf{bed_alloc}> also we're using physfs when reading the iso and some of the data, but not when dealing with xml files
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, 'caus I kinda expect save games to come 'in' from the system file picker or something
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> outside the 'data' directory
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> and if we need to support .cue files anyway we'll need something other than physfs....
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe just stdlib  streams and require the user unpack the iso to a directory :)
20:12 < sf{bed_alloc}> how hard is it to read .bin/.cue files, anyway?
20:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> maybe just add an archive_cue (and archive_apk) to physfs?
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20:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> I'd try my luck with it, hopefully it's gonna be more productive than "accelerating" the renderer by a factor of 0.5x :v
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20:20 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: so when's the screenshot key? ;p
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Not implemented Surface readback yet...
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> gimmie 5 mins...
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20:31 < SupSuper> sf{bed_alloc}: where's your sdl2 branch?
20:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> https://github.com/sfalexrog/OpenXcom/tree/sdl2
20:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> probably still has some mismerges, and visual studio project is far from being up-to-date
20:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> (both of them)
20:39 < SupSuper> not like i'm gonna use them :p
20:40 < SupSuper> wait what do you mean both of them?
20:41 < sf{bed_alloc}> 2010&2013
20:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> judging by my git diffs, I've also managed to screw up some of the line endings...
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> ask and ye shall receive
20:49 < SupSuper> you can probably drop 2010 :p
20:49 < SupSuper> ugh windows mobile support is 20gb
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20:49 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f9b7529 Jonathan Hamilton: Implement screenshot (F5 outputs "screenshot.png")...
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20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: I assume you'll need to map "KEY_DOWN F5" to something? Or is android's surfaceflinger screenshot thingie enough?
20:51 < sf{bed_alloc}> pretty sure power+volumedown (or is it up?) is just fine
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, IIRC that;s implemented by pushing an extra surfaceflinger composition through an ofscreen buffer...
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Caused us a surprising amount of problems in our hwc backend...
20:55 < SupSuper> at least looks like vs2015 covers all the latest windows phones
21:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> btw, just for statistics: updating the city on n4 takes ~10ms, sending all the data to the renderer (through a spsc_queue) is ~20-24 ms.
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> huehue
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> 34ms isn't too bad though, better than I suspected :P
21:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> so I guess if I weren't *that* dumb and clueless, I'd have 30fps on my nexus right now :p
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> does it inline & devirtualise the Renderer?
21:04 < sf{bed_alloc}> well.... since it's based on your Renderer2 branch, the Renderer is not virtualized, and -flto gives me hopes it's actually inlined (though I haven't really checked)
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> If you can get a instruction level profile on whatever cpu it's using it might help...
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> as on mine it's spending the VAST majority of the time stuck in qualcomm's libGL
21:08 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, judging by the traces (and how it spends 4-7 ms in drawImmediateExecute, which is a fancy name for "draw a textured quad with this program", just after spending <1ms in a flush call), it's not happy with me not batching enough
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> is this that crazy nvidia arm64 core?
21:09 < sf{bed_alloc}> wish it were
21:09 < sf{bed_alloc}> adreno 320
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus that was awful
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> it was GREAT at microbenchmarks
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> after it recompiled everything after a warmup
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> but any real apps just kept blowing the recompilation cache...
21:10 < SupSuper> what is the least painful way i can compile sdl myself
21:10 < SupSuper> submodules? nuget?
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> not seen a source nuget package for sdl? Bins only?
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> my submodule attempt was reasonably painless
21:11 < SupSuper> apparently winrt doesn't really do bins :p
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Of course if you *can* get source nuget that seems to integrete well
21:11 < SupSuper> i might just do submodules, then i can just get the yaml-cpp that doesn't need boost :p
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> all the cool people are using boost though...
21:12 < sf{bed_alloc}> yaml-cpp is not cool anymore :<
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Actually that's a lie, all the cool people are writing node.js modules..
21:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> gotta love how vs2013 is somewhat different for c++ and c# projects
21:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> apparently all the love went to the c# side of things
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, ms *do* own it...
21:14 < SupSuper> what do you mean?
21:15 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, project properties being a separate, modal window in c++ and a tab in c# is one thing
21:15 < sf{bed_alloc}> and it's not like the window is not glitchy
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> and the c++ project properties are awful
21:16 < SupSuper> oh yeah
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> every time I clicked on something every control shifted to the right
21:16 < sf{bed_alloc}> even after update 5
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> until everything disappeared off the side of the non-resizeable window...
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> It would have been amusing if I wasn't trying to do something...
21:16 < sf{bed_alloc}> also, they count references and stuff for methods in c# classes
21:17 < sf{bed_alloc}> c++? you don't even get a simple "implement method" thingy
21:17 < SupSuper> that's probably a legacy thing, since visuals used to be completely separate, and visual c++ is ancient
21:17 < SupSuper> like they still have the layout that harks back to 6.0 with the files window on the opposite side of every other layout...
21:18 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: there used to be a bug where the window got slightly bigger everytime you opened it, to the point it didn't fit on-screen. i guess this is the new version of it :p
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe they 'fixed' it by marking the window as fixed size
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> but the bug is still there :P
21:19 < SupSuper> have i been around the visual studio ride. i saw ms completely stop giving a shit about c++ when .net showed up (i think that was 2003-2005?). they only started giving a shit about c++ again around 2010, and 2013 is a huge step-up
21:20 < SupSuper> they were probably hoping .net would replace win32
21:21 < SupSuper> also sf{bed_alloc}: if you want fancy c++ refactoring, get resharper/visual assist
21:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, because running code in a vm is totally more resource-efficient than running it natively
21:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> isn't resharper c#-only?
21:21 < SupSuper> well i mean api wise :p writing for .net is heaven compared to win32
21:21 < SupSuper> nah resharper does c++ too now, it's  awesome
21:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> huh, gotta try that some day
21:22 < SupSuper> look at this bad boy: https://www.jetbrains.com/resharper-cpp/features/
21:23 < SupSuper> mind you it'll cover your code in warnings ;p
21:24 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, anything that's not covering my code in warnings is outright broken so :p
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/vs-useful-space.png
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> that's my opinion of vs...
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> I know I can remove the boxes, split vertically and whatnot
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> but they keep coming back...
21:26 < SupSuper> lol
21:26 < sf{bed_alloc}> if you're not splitting your code window, you're doing it wrong :p
21:26 < SupSuper> clearly you need *more* windows
21:27 < SupSuper> where's the class hierarchy and function lookup!
21:27 < sf{bed_alloc}> solution explorer search is surprisingly not helpful
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/terminal-usable-space.png
21:28 < SupSuper> still find the "visual studio 2013 express for windows desktop" hilarious, because ms thought for a nanosecond they could get away with only supporting ~~store~~ apps
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> On one of my machines it's called 'Visual Studio 2013', the other it's "vs 2013"
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> and naturally searching the start bar for the wrong one doesn't work
21:29 < SupSuper> http://wheany.com/ms-branding/
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I know the dpi (and general real estate) for my linux machine is like 2x
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> but proportionally it's like 80% code? With a row at the bottom for searching/whatever, a tagbar at the side, code completion pops up if wanted...
21:30 < sf{bed_alloc}> what's that C/C++ thingy in your gvim menu?
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> refactoring/inserting blocks/whatever
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Don't use it most of the time :P
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> For that stuff I tend to do text substitutions/conversions instead
21:31 < SupSuper> yeah regexp is so much more fun :D
21:32 <@JonnyH`Work> You just pointed out the file menu has re-appeared, I got rid of that normally...
21:32 <@JonnyH`Work> That's another ~1.5 rows of code I could take back from unused system stuff!
21:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> every time I see someone else's vim, I'm like "wow, this looks so great!", and then "but it's hidden behind half a thousand hotkeys and macros and not exactly noob-friendly"
21:33 < SupSuper> "and a very customized .vim"
21:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> no, seriously, with the right amount of plugins configured properly vim is a beast
21:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> but try telling that to someone who just got into that beeping program with no obvious way out :p
21:39 < SupSuper> yeah people get pretty religious about their terminal editors
21:39 < SupSuper> midnight commander is probably the closest windows has
21:40 < SupSuper> it's a dos-like file manager / text editor with plugins, so basically programmer cocaine :p
21:41 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, one of the many, many norton commander clones
21:42 < sf{bed_alloc}> didn't look into plugins, though
21:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> but yeah, that used to be one of the first packages I'd install on a fresh distro installation
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I have a 'vim-dotfiles.git' that follows around my machines
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> slowly evolving into something which MAN IS NOT MEANT TO KNOW
21:55 < SupSuper> same but my code
21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't even clone it, it just appears one day after I install vim
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22:42 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 40efd07 Jonathan Hamilton: Add a flag to Framework() to say if it should create a window...
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19:00 < Skin36_> hi
19:02 < SupSuper> hey
19:02 < Skin36_> what news ?
19:04 < SupSuper> been developing the base interface: http://i.imgur.com/I56W5IJ.gif
19:04 < SupSuper> hoping to get to multiple bases soon
19:07 < Skin36_> oh cool
19:07 < Skin36_> minimap )
19:08 < SupSuper> yeah JonnyH`Work did that
19:10 < Skin36_> I found the structure of the relations
19:10 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-5tfn6TM8r/
19:11 < Skin36_> most of the structures already known)
19:12 < SupSuper> ohhhh
19:13 < SupSuper> wait, aliens have relations?
19:15 < Skin36_> yes
19:15 < SupSuper> interesting
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper - I was trying to split apart the code a bit more sanely
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/modular-build
19:15 < Skin36_> hi  JonnyH`Work
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> but I can't for the life of it get it working in msvc :'(
19:16 < SupSuper> hope you like dlls :p
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I was trying to use static libs to avoid that...
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> but it seems they have weird depedency issues and whatnot
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> in cmake I can declare a static library and use it in the same project and it pulls in all the build flags/include paths/whatever
19:17 < SupSuper> yeah in vc you need to specifically set what project depends on what other project, and what the build order should be
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> while msvc seems to sit there saying it failed to find a boost library which is RIGHT THERE DAMNNIT MSVC JUST LOOK AT IT WHY CANT YOU SEE IT
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> so I have 'project references' setup to do build order correctly
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems to do that ok
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> just the final link of the final .exe
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> (which is effectively main.cpp + some libararies)
19:18 < SupSuper> i'll have a look
19:18 < SupSuper> remember nuget is per-project as well
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I added the 'header' boost nuget to all projects that use it
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> but only the lib to the final one
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> (and I tried adding the libs to all, and it build boost like 8 times, and still failed to find the same boost lib...)
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe I should try to fixup the cmake msvc generator and see what does with the 'same' input :P
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably doesn't work with nuget though, I guess I'll ahve to point stuff like BOOST_PATH at a prebuilt... which may bypass the issue
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> so my plan is to have multiple tools re-using bits of the framework/gamestate/whatever
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than ./OpenApoc --do-something-different
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> as well as a more logical separation/dependency order
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Library depends on (glm, boost::locale)
19:24 < SupSuper> you've gone mad with power! :p
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Framework depends on (Library, SDL2, boost::filesystem)
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Forms depends on (Libary, Framework, tinyxml2)
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> GameState depends on (Library, Framework)
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> GameUI depends on (Forms, GameState, Framework, Library)
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> so no cross-dependencies between them - hopefully
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, I also added a loading screen while I was at it
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> but that could (should?) be separate from the re-org
19:26 < SupSuper> i don't think i've ever seen a c++ project do that, because managing cross-platform c++ linkage is kinda sick nasty
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> it's good if it's all build in the same project, as it's the same compiler version & settings
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> they don't have to be libs, they're just the logical separation
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> but I don't know if you can re-use objects in msvc (IE so we don't have to build /everything/ again for the state extractor top-level exe, or the gamestate editor top-level exe, or the...)
19:28 < SupSuper> well it all amounts to "libs" as far as the linker is concerned
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> not /quite/  the same in linux
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> ld test.a main.o -o output
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> is slightly different to
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> ld test_source1.o test_source.o main.o -o output
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19:33 < Skin36_> how many people became)
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19:35 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SupSuper pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vVPuy
19:35 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7601d03 SupSuper: Error prevention
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19:41 < SupSuper> really making use of my threads here
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> make -j100000
19:43 < SupSuper> well it all *compiled* fine
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> for linux?
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> or windows?
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I have no problems with cmake :P
19:44 < SupSuper> trying your msvc thing
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I might not be able to do the different projects, and just have them as separate filter groups in the same project
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> It means I can't have multiple frontend executables, but it's OK 'caus windows is a dead platform anyway
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Man, os/2 is going to be great :D
19:45 < SupSuper> well if you wanna share stuff between game and tools, most people will go "game", "tools" and "common", not "let's break it all apart" :p
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I want the GameState to be part of common
19:46 < SupSuper> unless you're using a managed language, then you can just go nuts, see https://github.com/OpenRA/OpenRA
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> gogo c++20 modules
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC the newest msvc2015 actually has a prototype...
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Feel like depending on an experimental preview feature?: P
19:49 < SupSuper> why does only OpenApoc call all the boost libraries?
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus I thought only the end exe needed to have the symbols available
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> and adding it to each that uses it just builds the same boost library multiple times (and still doesn't link)
19:54 < SupSuper> i think the problem you're using the source packages
19:54 < SupSuper> so no libs are generated for boost
19:54 < SupSuper> so it'll never find'em :p
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> So why is it trying to link them?
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Is it the magic #pragma link thingie?
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> And I'm pretty sure those same nuget source packages worked before splitting...
19:57 < SupSuper> yeah because it was building all the source into one package, so there were no magical cross-references
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> so depending on a .lib with dependeices 'tries' to pull in dependencies-of-dependencies, and that's what's going wrong?
19:58 < SupSuper> or something like that. either way adding boost to everything fixed it. it compiles boost 10 times because it just bakes boost into every lib (instead of creating separate boost libs or whatever)
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe by missing it out it went "Oh, so you don't want the local boost copy? You get the library instead" and that's propogating
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> even if I 'know' the symbols will be provided by another dependnecy msvc doesn't realise that?
19:59 < SupSuper> sadly the linker isn't very helpful at telling you *where* the error comes from
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe if there was a way of inheriting include paths and the like we wouldn't have to add the boost header package to everything? (IE just the 'first' user, which will also provide all the boost:: built symbols?)
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> meh, rebuilding six thousand copies of boost probably wouldn't be too bad
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> as I assume incremental builds will never touch that...
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Meh, if it works push it and merge it into mater?
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I still think it's an improbement (Contradiction welcome)
20:02 < SupSuper> it's not really something i'm familiar with :/
20:02 < SupSuper> all i know about libs is pointing the compiler at my dependencies and hope it all works out
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm going to add new top-level 'tools/' projects
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> some of which will depend on stuff like qt
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> which I don't want to 'infect' the game with :P
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Could you imagine having to rebuild qt every time you modify the build...
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> even if it's just the dir tree changes I think it's useful
20:05 < SupSuper> oh and i had to add dbghelp.lib and opengl32.lib to framework
20:05 < SupSuper> oh and the game crashes on startup now :p
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> .... :'(
20:06 < SupSuper> if i had to guess, the data's no longer in the right place
20:07 < SupSuper> since it's crashing on MainMenu UI::GetForm
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh yes
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> presumable it's now build game/x64/release...
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> not x64/release/...
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> run it from the root and that should work?
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Or I could add a define of GAME_DATA_DIR=$(SolutionDir)/data
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> or something in the builds... but then "c:\users\jonnyh\documents\github\openapoc\data" will be baked into the .exe...
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be a static constructor going wrong...
20:12 < SupSuper> i changed the working directory from $(ProjectDir) to $(SolutionDir) and it works now
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> that'll do
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> can you push to my branch?
20:14 < SupSuper> sure
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> may need to fetch and rebase, as I merged in your error avoidance
20:15 < SupSuper> anyways to get the setup you want i think you either need to use boost lib packages, or figure out how the msvc boost linking works
20:15 < SupSuper> the error came from OpenApoc, so clearly it *does* only need to link at the end. *but* it didn't seem like just source would do at that point
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I know boost uses the msvc #pragma link
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe the source files add a "DONT_NEED_TO_LINK_BOOST_(PACKAGE)" which excludes that?
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> So missing  it from something that so much as includes the headers gets a lib added?
20:17  * SupSuper shrugs
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> *magic*
20:17 < SupSuper> also debug is pretty much useless now, i'll never get past the loading screen :p
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> it should do less in the loading screen now...
20:18 < SupSuper> it's fine in release, but in debug it seems to get stuck there
20:18 < SupSuper> also something's up with the text
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> hmmm..  might be worth looking in to anyway
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> what's wrong with the text?
20:20 < SupSuper> seems the palette broke?
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> not on my linux build? Maybe more paths issues...
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Can you take a screenshot? :P
20:21 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/o9SCr/13eb71f20e.jpg
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> didn't you use f5?
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> what's the point of doing this if nobody uses it...
20:23 < SupSuper> sure let me just f5+find the folder+upload+copy the link+post it
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> $(pwd)/screenshot.png :P
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> it shows the weird alpha of the menuscreen I should probably fix too....
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20:25 < SupSuper> ok can confirm the loading does eventually end in debug, but it really takes like a million years
20:25 < SupSuper> and then the game runs at 1fps so not worth it
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably as part of re-doing the .vcproj files I've re-enabled some *CRAZY_DEBUG_CHECKS* options I turned off a while ago...
20:27 < SupSuper> well if you're just gonna keep making the project slower to run and compile, i'm gonna take other hobbies :p
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> What if I buy you a nice xeon workstation? :P
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> just push it and I can tweak the options as necessary :P
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> adding a SlightlyDebug build mode or something :P
20:40 < SupSuper> i'd rather you fix the bugs first :p
20:40 < SupSuper> anyways pushed
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think I like the nuget sources being added to the filters...
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> meh
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20:51 < SupSuper> yeah i dunno why it does that sometimes, they don't need to do there
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20:57 < SupSuper> fixed
21:05 < SupSuper> you can probably get boost down to "only the stuff each lib needs", but OpenApoc always needs the aggregate
21:05 < SupSuper> sdl is also included everywhere...
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> that's 'caus the sdl headers leak through the event stuff IIRC
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> so everything 'uses' sdl
21:06 < SupSuper> ah
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> if there was a 'sdl_header_only' package that would do.. but there isn't
21:08 < SupSuper> or just clean up the event stuff :p
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> having an 'enum EVERY_KEY_IN_THE_WORLD{...}
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> sounds painful
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> But we might have to do that anyway, but with 'ACTIONS' that can be remapped,  not KEY_...
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21:44  * JonnyH`Work has no idea what's going on with the palettes for fonts on windows...
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> it should be loading UI_PALETTE.PNG, and that all looks fine...
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems to be using 256 pixels of the cloudy button texture as a palette?
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Haha, wow, compiler bug in msvc
22:30 < SupSuper> ?
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> No, wait, it's undefined behaviour in c++11
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> but *before* that each , was a sequence point
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> The order of each *i++ in func(*i++, *i++) is undefined now apparently
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> so if i = 0 func(i++, i++) could be f(0, 1) or f(1, 0)
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> which is exactly what was happening in msvc
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> it was using one of the colour values as an alpha
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> hence 'white' being OK (as 255,255,255,255 is the same no matter the order)
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> but everything else could be off
22:37 < SupSuper> that's what you get for using postfix operators inline :p
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's literally 2x longer (and clearer) without!
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> How am I meant to feel superior if mere mortals can actually understand my code?
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway.. time to start doing the whole point of this pain
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> re-adding the extractor as a top-level exe
23:25 <@JonnyH`Work> haha, it works!
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23:43 <@JonnyH`Work> time to push to master?
23:53 < SupSuper> if it ain't broke...
23:54 <@JonnyH`Work> fix it till it is?
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00:05 <@JonnyH`Work> appveyor build works, I suppose that's good enough then,,,
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00:06 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a70cf1e Jonathan Hamilton: make the Library subdir a separate build unit under cmake
00:06 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master bff5904 Jonathan Hamilton: Make the framework subdir a separate build unit under cmake
00:06 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 75baa0c Jonathan Hamilton: -pthreads now set with 'proper' cmake target_compile_definitions
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04:47 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d3eab9c Jonathan Hamilton: Add locks around data resource caches...
04:47 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master b9a6ed0 Jonathan Hamilton: Parallelise the gamestate extractors...
04:47 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 328876f Jonathan Hamilton: format
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14:38 <@JonnyH> hey pmprog_work
14:38 < pmprog_work> Hi there. How's things?
14:39 <@JonnyH> Good, good
14:39 <@JonnyH> Just moved a load of the openapoc code around
14:39 <@JonnyH> 'caus I'm starting to look into tools
14:39 < pmprog_work> Cool, I see Qt is also making an appearance
14:39 <@JonnyH> and it's nice if I can #include "bits/of/openapoc"
14:40 <@JonnyH> That's a playground atm
14:40 <@JonnyH> I have something that shows PCK images in a gui
14:40 <@JonnyH> which is nice I guess...
14:40 < pmprog_work> Yeah, sounds good
14:40 <@JonnyH> My 'old' way of './extract_something --weird-options > file'
14:40 <@JonnyH> doesn't seem to fly with most people
14:40 < pmprog_work> yeah, complicates things ;)
14:40 < pmprog_work> Did you get everything sorted at work btw?
14:41 <@JonnyH> Yeah, it seems to have settled down now
14:41 < pmprog_work> Glad to hear
14:41 <@JonnyH> Our group wasn't involved in the 'reord'
14:41 <@JonnyH> (reorg)
14:41 < pmprog_work> Yeah, but you had something about your visa needing sorting last we spoke
14:41 <@JonnyH> but still, as it's like 2 of us in the country it was a bit weird as everyone else was...
14:42 <@JonnyH> Visa application is submitted, but there's a ~75% chance it won't even be looked at... Damn caps
14:42 <@JonnyH> So at the minute it's not great, but nothing I can do really..
14:42 < pmprog_work> Well, hope it works out
14:43 <@JonnyH> me too...
14:43 < pmprog_work> But yeah, it'll be nice to have some layer that lets you merge OpenApoc code into something like Qt for editors
14:43 <@JonnyH> that's exactly what I'm doing
14:43 <@JonnyH> you can do fw().data->load_image("PCK/whatever")
14:43 <@JonnyH> and then splat that into a QImage
14:43 < pmprog_work> I was going to make a UI designer, but I either trying to implement a designer in C++ which would take ages, or knock one up in .NET, but lack all graphics
14:43 <@JonnyH> (And that on a QLabel)
14:44 <@JonnyH> I was thinking of effectively pulling in the forms renderer into another QWidget
14:44 <@JonnyH> at least you'll be able to view them outside the game :)
14:44 < pmprog_work> Sounds good to me
14:46 < pmprog_work> I really like Qt, but I struggle to make a UI that I think "looks" nice...
14:46 < pmprog_work> One thing I like about .NET is how easy it is to actually create your own custom rendered control. Can't seem to figure out how to do it in Qt
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14:48 < pmprog_work> (that's probably me being a bit dim though)
14:49 <@JonnyH> Inherit QWidget, override render()?
14:49 < pmprog_work> Probably, I really need to recheck
14:50 <@JonnyH> I just faked it by drawing everyhting into a QImage, and inheriying QLabel (and calling setPixmal(my_rendered_image)) :P
14:51 < pmprog_work> That's quite a nice idea
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15:01 <@JonnyH> "nice idea" probably means "Real UI guys have already started screaming 'caus it's probably insane in some way"
15:01 <@JonnyH> A bit of a pain to do interactivity, but we already have to transform & scale input to get the 'right' pixel within that
15:02 < pmprog_work> Yeah, there's probably always "better" ways, but I like custom controls, you can make them very flexible
15:05 <@JonnyH> I'm kinda surprised I got qt5 working with the appveyor build...
15:05 <@JonnyH> Though it did require msvc2015
15:05 <@JonnyH> so if we do decide to "Go full steam w/qt tools"
15:06 <@JonnyH> we'll probably need to make that the default
15:09 <@JonnyH> And one problem with my "No idea how msvc works" way of splitting the build is it builds boost like 6 times...
15:12 < pmprog_work> That's fine, I've thought about trying VS2015 at home, because I blieve you can now build Android in it too
15:12 <@JonnyH> Well, it uses gcc...
15:12 <@JonnyH> They just released a gdbserver backed too
15:12 <@JonnyH> so you can use the debugger UI on a remote linux machine
15:13 <@JonnyH> which some people seem to like
15:14 < pmprog_work> Yeah, saw the whole Ubuntu in Windows things
15:16 < pmprog_work> Right, heading home. Don't know when I'll be back online, but hopefully not too long in the future
15:16 < pmprog_work> Take it easy
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17:36 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] jgatkinsn opened pull request #67: update build doc for Ubuntu 14.04.3 (master...ImproveUbuntuBuildDoc) https://git.io/vVDfb
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17:37 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] jgatkinsn closed pull request #65: Fix readme for Ubuntu 14.04.3 - libunwind8-dev (master...master) https://git.io/vBJaY
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17:54 < Skin36_> hi
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> hi
17:55 < Skin36_> work ?
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18:06 < Skin36> I have found something that
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
18:17 < Skin36> thresholds, which are determined by the relationship of organizations
18:19 < Skin36>  <= 74 )
18:19 < Skin36>  <= 24 )
18:19 < Skin36>  <= -25
18:19 < Skin36> <= -50
18:22 < Skin36> http://pastebin.ru/XaEMMuoy
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Interesting
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> so the range is (-100,100) too? Is it clamped at that?
18:24 < Skin36> yes   (-100,100)
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18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> hi SupSuper 
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW I found a way of avoiding building boost six thousand million times in msvc:
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> "#define BOOST_ALL_NO_LIB" stops "magically" adding the library as a dependency just by including the headers
18:29 < SupSuper> aha
18:29 < SupSuper> i was just gonna use lib packages instead ;p
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> So the 'library' project still has the boost nuget packages, and that causes those versions to be used by everything
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems a decent enough solution to me... comments?
18:30 < SupSuper> so i guess boost really *is* just wired up to expect libs. i guess the filename had to come from somewhere...
18:30 < SupSuper> well, i'd rather *not* build boost 100 times?
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> It's my master
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> if it passes appveyor I'll push to pmprog
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> my next issue on the editor is SDL_main and qt's main stuff is conflicting nastily...
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I want -lSDL but not -lSDL_main...
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> but the nuget 'sdl2' package does both
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> and I'm not sure how to do that...
18:33 < SupSuper> honestly if you're building everything from source, maybe just submodule the repository?
18:33 < SupSuper> sdl is pretty light
18:37 < SupSuper> more and more i think i'm learning why people don't use nuget c++ much
18:37 < SupSuper> or c++ libraries at all :p
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, once again it's something that's 90% there
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> but that last 10% is killer...
18:40 < SupSuper> .net or bust
18:41 < SupSuper> where any build product can be treated as a universal linking exe/dll
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> you mean elf? Like linux?
18:42 < SupSuper> i dunno how it works, but i can inspect/import any arbitrary .net exe/dll into any other and it just works
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> you can dlopen/dlsym executables in exactly the same way as any shared object on linux
18:43 < SupSuper> but i'm sure that's just because "modules"
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> the only difference is that executables have a _start symbol
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> it's often not a good idea, though :P
18:44 < SupSuper> like i remember when i was scouring the internet for code to handle a specific format. i found an app that did exactly that, but the app was shit. but it had a dll for the format, so i just took that to use in my own app :p
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, .net dlls have all the metadata you kinda expect to be able to actually use the symbols too (unlike ELF)
18:50 < SupSuper> .net's one weakness is being a microsoft product :p
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> mono is actually really good...
18:51 < SupSuper> but now that's a microsoft product as well!
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> it just doesn't seem to fit well into the unix way of doing things
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> which I guess makes sense :P
18:52 < SupSuper> yeah there is a big boon in an operative system making a language
18:52 < SupSuper> in that you can just make the executable/linker formats fit whatever you need like a native program
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19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> The editor now does something!
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> You can change the cd/data paths in the config! :D
19:32 < Skin36> cool
19:32 < Skin36> im find it !
19:35 < Skin36> JonnyH`Work are you here ?
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
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19:40 < Skin36> I found the dependence of generation units from the relationship
19:41 < SupSuper> generation units?
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> You mean excluding androids if you're hostile to SELF?
19:41 < Skin36> yep
19:42 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-1tfn6TM9h/
19:42 < Skin36> only if    >0
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> <0 is unfriendly right?
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I might have to think about how to generalise that
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't want to hardcore "SELF == Androids" in the C sources...
19:45 < SupSuper> i guess either link stuff to organizations or to relation thresholds
19:45 < Skin36> or neutral ?
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe make it so recruits can be 'provided' by orgs?
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I can imagine being friendly to people could increase the recruits available? Even outside of mutant/androids?
19:47 < SupSuper> well items are provided as well
19:47 < SupSuper> dunno what else is. vehicles?
19:47 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-4tfn6TM9i/
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> so the recruits are created as being 'owned' by SELF?
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Then I guess 'hiring' them change s the owner to X-COM?
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: I've always wondered why my engineers can build $CRAZY_ALIEN_TECH
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> but can't put together pistol ammo
19:48 < SupSuper> clearly it's trademarked :p
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Might be an intereting mod - you can build anything
19:49 < SupSuper> i think only the "generators" should be owned. you don't wanna end up tracking individual items...
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> but doing to makes the 'trademark owner' angry?
19:49 < SupSuper> hah
19:51 < Skin36> in any case, I'll write it on the forum, if you want to
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Skin36: please do
19:51 < Skin36> kk
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I won't be able to implement it right now
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> so having it there as a reference would be useful when I do
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I might pull us up to msvc2015 soon...
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> as then I can do crazy QT stuff in master
19:53 < SupSuper> uh-oh :p
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> appveyor also fixed itself so it actually runs the version of msbuild you ask it to
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> See my WIP/vs2015 branch
19:56 < SupSuper> should you be doing crazy qt stuff before the game?
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> it's to help me with the game
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> So far it's a single dialog box... :P
19:59 < SupSuper> i guess you'll corner the modder market ;p
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/GLORIOUS.png
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> you're just envious of my UI skills
20:04 < SupSuper> i'm glad there's a help button, i was confused for a second
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, it doesn't do anything
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> It just seems to be added unconditionally
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> It fools you with the illusion of help
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> only to smash your hopes & dreams
20:09 < SupSuper> makes sense, i haven't seen that button since windows 98
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and it only takes ~12mb code to show those 6 controls!
20:51 < SupSuper> hmm what to do next. base building is tempting, but that cityview...
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Just having multiple bases switchable in the corner would be nice...
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> The market is another big thing that seems pretty separate
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I think Skin36 has some comments on the original data files on that too somewhere
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> my god, don't run QT apps in a leak checker...
20:55 < SupSuper> :p
20:55 < SupSuper> oh yeah i was also gonna add data to the ufopaedia
20:56 < SupSuper> did Skin36 ever post the relation thresholds?
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> <=74, <=24, <=-25, <=-50
21:06 < SupSuper> i wonder if we could use some shortcuts for these list of labels and labelled controls we have all over the place
21:06 < SupSuper> or if the shortcuts would outweight the normal code :p
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> shortcuts? What do you mean?
21:11 < SupSuper> just a shorthand for LABEL_0 = FindControl, LABEL_0->SetText, VALUE_0 = FindControl, VALUE_0->SetText, LABEL_1->SetText, VALUE_1->SetText, etc
21:12 < SupSuper> btw is the updated msvc stuff in git?
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> vs2015?
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> checkout WIP/2015 in my repo
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Or juist the boost stuff?
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> give me 5 seconds...
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21:13 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vVDyG
21:13 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master fdd66e0 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix 'make tidy' target...
21:13 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master fd6e45e Jonathan Hamilton: Only include SDL headers in event.h...
21:13 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 85e3bd8 Jonathan Hamilton: Disable automatic boost linking for msvc...
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21:15 < SupSuper> i doubt the vs2015 stuff is anymore complex than "upgrade project" :p
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> and "change sdl nuget package"
21:16 < SupSuper> at least update 2 seems to have made vs much smarter about reloading projects on a git update
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> If you think it's useful there's nothing blocking me from vs2015 now the appveyor thing's fixed
21:17 < SupSuper> it doesn't make a difference for me since i have both vs2013 and vs2015 anyways
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I haven't noticed any differences with the compiler or anything
21:18 < SupSuper> btw i suppose this is harmless? warning LNK4006: __NULL_IMPORT_DESCRIPTOR already defined in dbghelp.lib(dbghelp.dll); second definition ignored
21:21 < SupSuper> also the version is gone on windows
21:21 < SupSuper> game version
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21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh yeah, I disabled the cmd.exe version.h generator and didn't re-add it...
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Give me a second...
21:34 < SupSuper> where's the debug checkbox
21:34 < SupSuper> where's the building screen
21:34 < SupSuper> where's all the questions???
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> the debug checkbox didn't actually do anything?
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think...
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure what's gone wrong with the building screen, should look in to that..
21:49 < SupSuper> it just showed a debug menu, which is accessible from the "options" anyways
21:49 < SupSuper> i'm just reporting anything that's off in case it's a bug and not a feature :p
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Currently the debug options for the tileview in the InGameOptions don't work either
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> if you want to file bugs on temporary debug features to make yourself feel better about something :P
21:51 < SupSuper> panic panic panic panic panic
21:51 < SupSuper> i never tried those, curiously
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Don't, even when they worked right they were super-debug-doesn't-make-sense-to-real-people
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> like drawing GL_LINES around boxes that are not translated by the screen viewport sort of thing
21:52 < SupSuper> debug isn't made for real people anyways :p
21:53 < SupSuper> i have noticed one annoying visual studio limitation. now i can't access the data files from within vs since they're not inside a "project folder"
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> ...add a "data" project? :P
21:54 < SupSuper> blergh
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, I haven't re-added the building->scenery map after the GameStateSerialise thing
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I have a fix for that in progress (was doing it the same time as fixing building collapsing)
21:59 < SupSuper> i don't think i'll ever have as many wip things as you do, i'd get lost
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> git branch -a|grep WIP|wc -l
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> 88
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> o_O
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I should try finishing things...
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> a lot of those aren't really "WIPs"
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> so much as openapoc has become my playground for "I wonder how this works..."
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> not really intending to actually merge them unless it turns out roses
22:04 < SupSuper> pffff whatever happened to git reset --hard and starting anew everytime? :p
22:04 <@JonnyH`Work> for i in $(git branch -a); do git branch -D $i; done
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, this weekend I will: Get research projects working, re-add building collapse, re-add building/scenery map, maybe move to msvc2015 by default
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> AKA finish the things I've started the last couple of weeks :P
22:10  * SupSuper shudders
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I forgot to add "Solve P=NP, Release my paper on a new grand-unified-theory of physics & cure world hunger"
22:11 < SupSuper> maybe i'll do items at some point. well, the interface. no idea how the market works
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> It'll be a fair bit of figuring out IIRC
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I think skin again has a spreadsheet of the values in the "Market data" block, which might be useful there
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> even without the market "buying/selling an unlimited number of items" would be useful for the UI
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> anyhway, I'm off for the afternoon
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19:13 < Skin36> hi JonnyH !
19:13 <@JonnyH> hey
19:14 < SupSuper> hey
19:15 < Skin36> how are you ?
19:15 <@JonnyH> I'm good thanks
19:15 <@JonnyH> Poking research with a stick
19:16 <@JonnyH> Trying to think of a way of doing dependencies cleanly
19:18 < Skin36> I do think what else to do
19:19 <@JonnyH> Maybe we can start looking the battlescape
19:20 <@JonnyH> like agent equipment? See how similar it is to vehicle equipment?
19:20 < Skin36> but we still have the resources, the purpose of which is not clear
19:20 <@JonnyH> "resources"?
19:22 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-3tfn6TM9n/
19:22 < Skin36> for example
19:22 <@JonnyH> hmmm... not sure
19:23 <@JonnyH> Surely somewhere there's pathing for the roads etc.?
19:23 < Skin36> for example
19:23 <@JonnyH> Or is that all done from the map? (the map tiles have flags to say they're a 'road'?)
19:24 < Skin36> possible so that
19:24 <@JonnyH> there was also some things that were possibly masks of 'transparent pixels' for overlay tiles?
19:24 <@JonnyH> Or something else related to the city drawing WRT depth
19:27 < Skin36> MASKDATA.DAT  used very often, while driving transport and missiles, etc.
19:28 < Skin36> PPLPATH.DAT  used when moving units
19:29 <@JonnyH> I guess that's just people tubes etc. for agent movement
19:30 <@JonnyH> is there something similar for ground vehicles & roads?
19:35 < Skin36> I think no. Here a different algorithm
19:37 < Skin36> Perhaps I have to work with the algorithm of funding
19:37 <@JonnyH> There was some talk on it being related to the number of tiles of each building type owned by each org
19:38 <@JonnyH> alsso just confirming a few things in the game would be nice for research
19:38 < Skin36> interesting
19:38 <@JonnyH> Like are research points only added to a project every hour? Or at the 5 minute tick?
19:40 < Skin36> ok? im see on it
19:40 <@JonnyH> When you attack a building some defence aircraft pop up - are they generated at attack time (if so how), if not does that mean non-xcom vehicles are tracked? Are they purchased by the org or just appear etc.
19:44 < Skin36> I wrote these questions, I try to answer them
19:56 < Skin36> http://pastebin.ru/Udu6dWsY
19:56 < Skin36> see on    Research()
19:57 < Skin36> its Research funk on time cycle
19:58 <@JonnyH> that can't be the only Research() call?
19:58 <@JonnyH> As that seems to be the end-of-day handling (hour >= 24)
19:59 <@JonnyH> wait, no, that's outside that if ()...
20:00 <@JonnyH> I guess it's every minute?
20:00 <@JonnyH> no..every second
20:00 <@JonnyH> v4 is presumably subsecond ticks (36/second)
20:00 <@JonnyH> it then does second++
20:00 <@JonnyH> then if (second < 60) return
20:01 <@JonnyH> then minute ++
20:01 <@JonnyH> the if (mnute < 60) return
20:01 <@JonnyH> so yes, every hour
20:01 <@JonnyH> diplomatic recalculation, research and manufacturing are only done every hour
20:09 <@JonnyH> I suppose the next question should be do we want to be restricted in the same way :P
20:22 < Skin36> I suppose the next question should be do we want to be restricted in the same way
20:23 < Skin36> research function is called twice, the second call is an ultra fast time
20:24 <@JonnyH> The 'ultra fast' speed seems to skip a lot of the normal update loop
20:25 < Skin36> &hour >> 16 its  mnute
20:26 < SupSuper> JonnyH: it probably doesn't do any map simulation
20:26 < SupSuper> since you can't use 'ultra fast' while there's stuff going on in there
20:26 <@JonnyH> yeah, it checks the projectile list at least...
20:27 <@JonnyH> it also bypasses the pathfinding - anything on route /will/ arrive within the next 5 minute tick
20:28 < Skin36> you're right, see this function
20:28 < Skin36> http://pastebin.ru/32X4MHP4
20:29 < Skin36> second not count
20:31 <@JonnyH> Huh, it does leap years :P
20:31 < Skin36> minute = 5 * ((minute ) / 5 + 1);
20:31 <@JonnyH> hmm... line 244 looks kinda weird - maybe a decompiler error?:
20:31 <@JonnyH> v33 = (year == 0) % 4;
20:32 <@JonnyH> maybe they meant "(year % 4) == 0"
20:38 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-5tfn6TM9p/
20:41 <@JonnyH> huh, guess it's just dead code then?
20:50 < Skin36> v33 = (year == 0) % 4;     I think it is such a notation.   if  year == 0 then  v33 % 4
20:51 <@JonnyH> either way it't not needed
20:51 <@JonnyH> as either (year % 4) != 0 is handled by the case above
20:55 < Skin36> tomorrow I still deal with it
20:55 < Skin36> time to go to bed
20:56 <@JonnyH> good night!
20:58 < Skin36> ok )
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21:41 <@JonnyH> Meh, I'm not getting much useful done, I might wander off and play xcom2 in a bit...
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19:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ccc23eb SupSuper: Preliminary item stats in Ufopaedia articles
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19:44 <@JonnyH> I'm going to have to fix the order of stuff in the ufopaedia now, aren't I?...
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20:06 < SupSuper> it is kinda weird seeing ammo come before the weapon :p
20:06 <@JonnyH> The iterator goes in ID text order
20:07 <@JonnyH> I was tempted to name then ID_10_ ID_20_ whatever to force an order...
20:08 < SupSuper> lol
20:08 < SupSuper> also looks like some equipment is missing stats, possibly not implemented yet?
20:08 <@JonnyH> I think all the vehicle equipment stats should be set?
20:08 <@JonnyH> What are we missing?
20:12 < SupSuper> turn_rate and accuracy_modifier looks like
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20:13 <@JonnyH> I thought we store those...
20:13 < SupSuper> and i guess we gotta map the ammo types to items, but we don't have items yet so that can wait :p
20:13 < SupSuper> well the *variables* are there. they're just not getting extracted
20:14 < SupSuper> oh i see, they're just not in the serializer
20:15 < SupSuper> the woes of copy-paste
20:15 <@JonnyH> fixing now :)
20:15 <@JonnyH> 'guded' and 'turn rate'
20:15 <@JonnyH> Accuracy should be there already?
20:16 < SupSuper> yeah it's just missing from the extractor
20:17 <@JonnyH> 83: e->accuracy = wData.accuracy;
20:17 < SupSuper> accuracy_modifier i mean
20:17 < SupSuper> the control modules
20:17 <@JonnyH> Aah, :P
20:19 < SupSuper> at least these are pretty close to the data tables
20:22 <@JonnyH> Looks like the label for accuracy_modifier is wrong, it says "Range"?
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20:22 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c18d143 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix some missing VEquipment stats...
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20:25 < SupSuper> fixing it
20:26 < SupSuper> btw all this modularity has tripled my compile time :p
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20:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 22c51b7 SupSuper: Fix Ufopaedia vehicle stats
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20:42 <@JonnyH> hmm.. 40 second rebuild time...
20:42 <@JonnyH> Probably a fair bit we can improve on...
20:57 <@JonnyH> as a comparison, my build using cmake is ~39 seconds
20:58 <@JonnyH> Building 'best case' (igoring lib dependnecies and just linking everything together at the end) is ~37 seconds
20:58 <@JonnyH> Unless the act of my splitting has caused more #includes being pulled in or something...
20:59 <@JonnyH> Yeah, the incude tree looks rather excessive for some files...
21:00 < SupSuper> i can run resharper on the includes, but there are some rather nasty "catch-all" headers in there
21:00 <@JonnyH> I've been slowly trying to remove those
21:00 <@JonnyH> and replace with pre-declarations as necessary..
21:00 <@JonnyH> If it helps go ahead
21:01 <@JonnyH> TBH it seems to take ~15 seconds for gamestate_serialize.cpp alone
21:01 <@JonnyH> Assuming it's even perfectly parallelised over the 4 cores in my pc
21:01 <@JonnyH> that's like 10% of the build in one file
21:02 <@JonnyH> Maybe just splitting the file at serailizeIn/serializeOut would help that
21:02 <@JonnyH> so they can be split over 2 cores, instead of a good amount of the time waiting for the GameState lib only using 1 core
21:03 <@JonnyH> the ogl_3_0 GL interfaces could be cleaned up too
21:03 <@JonnyH> it we use like ~25 functions it defines...
21:17 <@JonnyH> hmm... no real difference to end compile time...
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21:17 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master b5b11ad SupSuper: Fix unknown glyph warnings in Ufopaedia
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21:19 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 097740a Jonathan Hamilton: Add -pthread to "library" cmake build...
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21:19 <@JonnyH> there were tabs in the decriptions?
21:20 <@JonnyH> I hope they were copy-paste errors? Not the original resources?
21:20 <@JonnyH> Or did 'tab' actually do anything?
21:23 < SupSuper> i didnt find any tabs in the original descriptions
21:24 < SupSuper> there is one dot without a space afterwards, that's gonna mess up linebreaks :p
21:24 <@JonnyH> You mean our linebreaks aren't already messed up? :P
21:25 <@JonnyH> If you can persuade boost::locale to split all split-able points in a text we can use that
21:26 <@JonnyH> damn, I'm going to have to change that in the .po file too..
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21:26 <@JonnyH> Otherwise they key for the translations won't match
21:27 <@JonnyH> Maybe it's finally time to add annoatations to translateable strings so we can generate that...
21:38 < SupSuper> even from xml?
21:38 <@JonnyH> even from xml :P
21:38 <@JonnyH> I was thinking about wrapping UString in a TRString or something
21:38 <@JonnyH> so you wouldn't call tr() on a ustring
21:39 <@JonnyH> but reading a TRSTring would return the translated variant
21:39 <@JonnyH> and then we can have a little xpath query or something dumping all the <trstring> nodes in the xml
21:45 < SupSuper> xpath *shudders*
21:47 <@JonnyH> Or in SerializeIn or something? I could add a --dump-all-strings option?
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17:01 < Skin36> Do you think I was wrong about (-24 ... 0)?
17:01 <@JonnyH> No not really
17:01 <@JonnyH> Just something I didn't realise
17:02 <@JonnyH> I don't think I've ever been less than friendly to them in any playthrough...
17:03 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-5tfn6TMat/
17:04 <@JonnyH> I think it's quite fun to start digging into how the game you've played quite a few times actually works
17:04 <@JonnyH> and what mechanics you 'correctly' figured out by playing it, and which you didn't
17:06 < Skin36> I'm working on yearly cycle of game time
17:06 <@JonnyH> I didn't realise there was a yearly cycle...
17:06 <@JonnyH> I've always completed the game in less than 10 weeks or so :)
17:06 <@JonnyH> I was surprised they did leap years for the same reason
17:07 < Skin36> some things can not understand, such as the number of 32
17:07 <@JonnyH> Interestingly that snipped you posted there implies that the android/mutant new agents are in addition to any other agents
17:07 <@JonnyH> which is useful to know
17:11 < Skin36> http://pastebin.ru/Lc0PfoXX
17:12 < Skin36> then there is necessary to understand
17:14 <@JonnyH> I think that's creating (0..3) technical, (0..1) mutant, (0..1) androids
17:14 <@JonnyH> with a maximum number of 
17:15 <@JonnyH> '180' total agents at any one time
17:15 <@JonnyH> (The size of the agent section in memory/the save?)
17:16 <@JonnyH> is the "//Technical" comment on line 63 confirmed?
17:20 < Skin36> 180x206 its max size for all unit
17:23 < Skin36> result = (signed __int16)make_unit_charact(v31, v15 + 2, 0);// Technical
17:23 < Skin36> v31=0...3
17:25 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-5tfn6TMau/
17:26 <@JonnyH> 0-3 includes {human, technical_bio, technical_eng, technical_qua}
17:26 <@JonnyH> Does that mean it's a 1/4 chance of a soldier ("Human")?
17:42 < Skin36> strange it all
17:46 < Skin36> no, there is still a nested cycle that defines how many units to generate
17:48 < Skin36> human, and others simply generated in the cycle, but their number is assigned separately
17:50 < Skin36> I think that the v12 is an array that specifies it, for example [5,2,2,2]
17:51 < Skin36> right ?
17:53 <@JonnyH> Sorry, I have to go do work stuff
17:53 <@JonnyH> I'll try to have a look later
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17:55 < Skin36> No, sorry, I did not see it ... make_random(3)       you're right again
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume make_random(N) does 0...N inclusive?
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> so (1) would be 0 or 1, (2), would be 0, 1, or 2
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18:05 < SupSuper> hello
18:11 < TheSnide> q/sb end
18:17 < Skin36>  for example      unit_struct1->gend = make_random(1);  gender 0 or 1
18:18 < Skin36> hi  SupSuper
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> hi SupSuper 
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> ...was it here someone was talking aobut going to google IO a couple of weeks back?
18:29 < SupSuper> not me
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18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug*
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18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm sure I remember someone talking about it, meh
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, if sfalexrog appears I tried running oapoc arm linux this week and did some profiling - it spent a lot of time in libstdc++'s stl library
18:35 < SupSuper> rip
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> if that is a limiting factor he could look at moving to eastl or something for intrustive members, which look like they'll be a better fit (one less indirect jump & cache line every op)
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18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Still not too worried myself ATM, as 'performance tuning' can wait (it's just fun ocasionally :P)
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18:49 < SupSuper> well i ran a cursory analysis and found 300 unused includes. hope they're not all false positives :p
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> kill them
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> push to my repo
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> See if travis fails?
18:53 < SupSuper> it's kinda weird how half the time STL headers are "unused". there's probably some nesting in the STL headers
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> probably...
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I remember having to fix some difference in the 'nesting' between gcc  versions...
18:53 < SupSuper> like "strings" always seem to be included everywhere
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> there's be no real benefit if every .cpp file actually ends up using the headers anyway...
19:06 < SupSuper> the biggest source of confusion seems to be macro/ifdef headers
19:06 < SupSuper> i guess that's c++ for you :v
19:08 < SupSuper> btw it might be useful bringing the debug checkbox back for stuff like "unlock all research" or something
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure
19:08 < SupSuper> or maybe just put the debug menu in place of that sample options screen
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe make a set of options in the  debug menu
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> as some of the city ones are still useful (at least the mission path thing is kinda handy)
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> and I removed it in a half-assed way - the label is still there...
19:09 < SupSuper> well i meant the main menu options screen
19:09 < SupSuper> i think pmprog just used it for testing ui? but we have the form previewer now
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Honestly, I can't remember
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe it hid the debug menu option?
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> the reason I removed it was becuase it was dead code, nothing read the value?
19:10 < SupSuper> yeah it just controlled an extra "debug menu" button
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> and an old 'selected tile' thing in the city, which was superceded anyway...
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19:12 < SupSuper> i'll probably need to add a required_research to the facilities now too huh :p
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I was going to make a 'Dependencies()' class, that has a 'bool satisfied();' member or something
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19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> which then contains a set of required research (including "all" and "any" lists), items, magic (Or fake items to do 'have completed ufo/alien building mission')
19:17 < SupSuper> makes sense
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> actually, that's mostly working...
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I might push that before finishing the research UI if it'll make your job easier
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> probably this evening?
19:19 < SupSuper> it's fine i'm just looking at odds and ends to put off the inevitable multiple bases :p
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Same here
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been pretty sick all week
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> and I've been putting off "big" stuff...
19:20 < SupSuper> i mean here i am cleaning up includes instead of coding :p
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Here I am thinking of changing the compiler for a platform I rarely use for... reasons
19:21 < SupSuper> binary literals! clearly :v
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> arbitray numerical splitters
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> 100'00'000
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> just to confuse you
19:27 < SupSuper> oh turns out half the warnings were from 3rd party libraries. whoops :p
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20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: RFC https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/f3159e245a934a7a3d454a7360c8d049d7d76244
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/compare/master...JonnyH:WIP/research-dependencies
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> now with ufopaedia.xml changes
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20:43 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 581ca74 SupSuper: Spring cleaning!...
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20:43 < SupSuper> i may have gotten a bit carried away :p
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> whoops, forgot to push a fix to pmprog...
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20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW: Any chance you could replace any 'None' symbols (e.g. UfopaediaEntry::Data::None)?
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus the X11 libraries do a nasty #"define None something"
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> so if you happen to indrectly include an SDL header (which then includes X) it explodes...
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I dunno if there's a LEAN_AND_MEAN equivalent...
20:53 < SupSuper> ah so that's why we had Nothing in some places
20:53 < SupSuper> i mean we're using enum *classes* but can't hurt
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> if you git blame you'll probably see me trying to figure out "Weird insane build error" until I figured it out
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> It would be OK if it was a symbol or a static const or something, but it's a #define...
20:54 < SupSuper> at least it's not win32's Font (or was it Text), that has broken my builds an odd bunch of times :p
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> GetForm
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
20:55 < SupSuper> nah in openxcom i mean
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh :P GetForm has broken openapoc before...
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> just one I remembered
20:55 < SupSuper> namespaces what are they even for
20:56 < SupSuper> speaking of, we have some stuff in anonymous namespaces which weirds me out (the loaders?)
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> In fairness X11 headers were probably  written on a pdp-7 by toggling switches on the front panel
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> anonymous namespaces are just to keep symbols in-file
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Like static functions
20:57 < SupSuper> well stuff like namespace
20:57 < SupSuper>  {
20:57 < SupSuper> class LodepngImageLoader : public OpenApoc::ImageLoader }
20:57 < SupSuper> could just be namespace OpenApoc?
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> probababy, but then "LodepngImageLoader" would be an extra symbol exported to everything...
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> that you shouldn't depend on
20:58 < SupSuper> ah
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> so I was just removing the chance of 'accidently' using it
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Or if two different files happened to use the same symbol they would conflict
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20:58 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6f3cf75 SupSuper: Don't let the X11 bite
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20:59 < SupSuper> well it has "using namespace OpenApoc" anyways
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> *shudder*
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably me being lazy
20:59 < SupSuper> probably you didn't wanna have to do OpenXcom::sp
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Nothing wrong with putting the file under namespace OpenApoc { namesapace { //anonymous
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> except, you know, spelt correctly
21:12 < SupSuper> btw how should we store organization relations? every organization has a map to every other organization?
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess so...
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe have a RelationShip object in there to wrap stuff like isHostile()/isFriendly() instead of lots of hardcoded (value < 25) etc.
21:14 < SupSuper> good point
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> gonna merge in that initial research-depedencies attempt
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I just added a button in the InGameOptions to give you all research
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and the ufopaedia articles 'correctly' appeared after that
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> so I guess that counts as well-tested for me
21:18 < SupSuper> woo
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> You could add a ProjectDependency to the FacityType stuff too
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> and check .satisfied() there
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and maybe add a MoneyDependency to that?
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> so we can use it for manufacturing too?
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and the ItemDependency stuff is stubbed out for no as we don't really have an 'inventory'...
21:19 < SupSuper> that's a lot of dependencies :p
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Item, REsearch, Money
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> if Item can be generalised to include "alien corpse"?
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> that should be enough?
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe we should add a magic "Non-Reachable" research topic or something?
21:21 < SupSuper> possibly, maybe a static const or something
21:21 < SupSuper> what's a ProjectDependency?
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe change "no research dependencies" to mean "never satisfied"
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> and add a "RESEARCH_INITIAL_KNOWLEDGE" or something that everything you start with depends on
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> ProjectDepndency should package up a set of Research, Item (and possibly Money) dependencies
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> so that's what you should use if it depends on any of them
21:22 < SupSuper> ah
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> as the UFOPaedia cann't depend on items (it has no 'current base') or cash I just used the research one directly there
21:22 < SupSuper> what about stuff that unlocks overtime? (like flying armor). or is that based on relationships?
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, that's weekly..
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe research topics like RESEARCH_WEEK_0, RESEARCH_WEEK_1...
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> that are 'given' at the end of each week?
21:23 < SupSuper> might as well just make a TimeDependency then, if you're subdividing
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC you can in some cases get items before they're unlocked from raids, but they still don't appear in the ufopaedia until the week
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I was thinking invisible research topics could also be given for UFO/ALIEN_BUILDING/whatever
21:24 < SupSuper> right
21:24 < SupSuper> MagicDependency :p
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than having UFOMissionCompleteDependency, FirstTimeYouEnteredTheAlienDimensionDependency, WearingOddSocksDependency etc.
21:28 < SupSuper> i should check that last one
21:29 < SupSuper> all my socks are the same color so i always worry i got a pair wrong
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect there's a time in every man's life where you finally go "f**ck, I'll just buy 20 pairs of the same socks, so if one goes missing IDGAF"
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I did the same a couple of years ago :P
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21:39 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 558b589 Jonathan Hamilton: Initial attempt at having a general 'dependencies' type...
21:39 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 470a49e Jonathan Hamilton: Pull ufopaedia required research topics to new format
21:39 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ee5adce Jonathan Hamilton: Add a button in the InGameOptions to mark all research as complete
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22:16 < SupSuper> whoops
22:16 < SupSuper> didn't realize defaults got serialized
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I have a work-in-progress to get rid of that...
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> by only serialising out if it doesn't match a default
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> but that's a prototype-idea not a nearly-ready WIP :P
22:20 < SupSuper> looks like apoc originally had a much deeper diplomacy/economy system: http://hastebin.com/xokirefefe.po
22:24 < SupSuper> also relationships aren't bidirectional? that's confusing
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Nope, you can be friendly with someone who hates you back
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> And it stores the 'initial' relationship at game init
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> and I think it showly goes back to the initial value over time
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> and other orgs buying buildings was a known 'dropped' feature
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> guess they did that by 'auction' :P
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe people could bid against you buying buildings?
22:26 < SupSuper> yeah looks like you could use those for income instead of just relying on government grants
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> other orgs get income from their buildings
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe the plan was you could 'invest' in other buildings :P
22:27 < SupSuper> a true bureaucrat of the future
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus they'll show real income in the order of weeks
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work>  /s
22:30 < SupSuper> god and people will wanna see all that implemented again :p
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> tracking VIPs
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> multiple cities
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> All that goodness
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> clearly *MORE STUFF* == *BETTER GAME*
22:31 < SupSuper> explains what the cells were for
22:32 < SupSuper> to be fair, the diplomacy was absolute rubbish :p
22:32 < SupSuper> it led to the x-com endgame of "fuckit let everyone get angry at me it's more profitable that way"
22:33 < SupSuper> transtellar deserves it anyways :p
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> being able to buy your own taxy fleet and telling them to f**ck themselves
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04:40 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master fb321d5 Jonathan Hamilton: Pull 'head' of update loop into GameState, add 'turbo' update mode...
04:40 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c306f9c Jonathan Hamilton: MSVC warns about functions that may not return even if all enums are handled in a switch
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18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper 
18:38 < SupSuper> hey
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> so I added a quick std::map<StateRef<Organisation>, float> to Orgs to track their relations
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> not that it doesn anything useful yet (all set at '0', so they're all 'neutral ' - this stops the all-out war that was happening previously)
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> and put hooks for a 'tubo' update speed in GameState
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> just to let you know :)
18:40 < SupSuper> cool :)
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> so I was going to start actually adding research progression too
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> probably later today (after work)
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I also added a 'snooze for (RAND)' time at the end of each vehicles GotoRandomBuilding missions
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> so they don't stay constantly in the air
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> to be more like the original
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> It would be interesting to know how the original manages vehicle spawning (IE what organisations start with what vehicles)
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> and how their movement is calculated (IE how often are they 'in the air'? Do they prefer going to some buildings over others?)
18:47 < SupSuper> well there is a pattern to it. some organizations always seem to have "the big ships" while others just have cop cars and stuff
18:47 < SupSuper> i don't know if they evolve overtime though. i'd guess they just have a "this organization has x y z" and whenever you destroy them they just buy them back later
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I know they don't use 'combat vehicles' unless their buildings are attacked (outside of police cars)
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I dunno if those vehicles are actually stored & owned by that organisation
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Or they're magically spawned when a building is attacked
18:49 < Skin36_> it is interesting
18:51 < Skin36_> you found the offset in the executable file for the relations?
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> It starts at offset 0x189040 in my ufo2p.exe
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> the following bytes (in hex) if you want to search:
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> 64 00 00 00 9c ff ff ff 4b 00 00 00
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> it seems to be a set of uint32_t  values in organisation order
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. the first value is "100", as xcom->xcom is as friendly as can be
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> then next is -100, as the second org in the list is aliens (and xcom->aliens isn't quite as friendly)
19:01 < SupSuper> i wonder what happens if you hexedit the game to make aliens friendly...
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> The savegme editor I remember exposed the relationship stuff - I'm sure someone has tried it already :P
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19:03 < Skin36_> I just asked, I have long found
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, fine then :)
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Not extracted yet though
19:06 < SupSuper> i guess i'm gonna have to bite the bullet and look into base building :P how's building clicking doing?
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> errm...
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> give me 1 minute
19:08 < SupSuper> while i'm asking, does it work in top-down? :)
19:08 < SupSuper> hoping i can just steal that for clicking on bases to buy...
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it did...
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> You'll have to add the box around 'buyable' buildings there though
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19:14 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3fda621 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix building selection in cityscape...
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19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> give that a go
19:19 < Skin36_> I found two arrays that are ufopedi in the executable file, do not understand how they are used
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I think we're OK with just re-implementing the ufopaedia data outselves
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> We probably don't need any info in how apoc actually did that
19:21 < Skin36_> first-ufopedif by the number of sections (11 sections), and the second 2248 bytes
19:22 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: unlocks would be nice but that's it
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I think that's in the research struct?
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> there's an integer for the unlocked 'group' and entry within the group
19:23 < Skin36_> ok, was just interested
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Actually, I left a comment to myself that it's more complex than that
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> (See tools/extractors/extract_research.cpp:76)
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19:24 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-4tfn6TMbf/
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19:32 < Skin36_> I try to understand the generation of vehicle organizations
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19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Is there any way to make it so a msvc project isn't built by default?
19:51 < SupSuper> don't make anything depend on it?
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> nothing depends on 'editor' in my WIP/editor branch
19:52 < SupSuper> if you're not building the solution, it should just build the deps of your current startup project
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> If I remove the 'build' checkbox in the configuration manager it seems to remove it's ability to ever be built
19:52 < SupSuper> make sure you're using Build Selection and not Build Solution?
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> the one in bold is 'tinyxml2' - if that's the 'startup project' :P
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I want is to 'msbuild' defaults to building OpenApoc
19:53 < SupSuper> probably. you'll find out if you try to run the debugger :p
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> 'msbuild editor' (or something) builds the editor
19:54 < SupSuper> i've never used msvc from command line so
19:54 < SupSuper> even the startup project seems to be a user setting
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> but user settings appear to be a msvc thing, not an msbuild thing...
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Or is using the cmdline build tools so far outside the 'normal ms' way of doing things it's amazing it works at all?
19:56 < SupSuper> probably :p
19:56 < SupSuper> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms171463.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396 ?
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I can 'msbuild whatever.vcproj'
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> but then the $(Solutiondir) substitutions don't seem to work
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> and it seems to lose the references to other projecfts...
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I just want to be able to merge in the editor stuff without requiring everyone to install qt...
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16:36 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 52652ba Jonathan Hamilton: Create Lab and ResearchState classes to package up research-related state
16:36 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master cd717f4 Jonathan Hamilton: Don't save the game when giving all research...
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16:40 < Skin36_> hi
16:41 <@JonnyH> hey there
16:42 < Skin36_> I found a formula for the calculation of improving relations organizations
16:43 <@JonnyH> Oh, nice
16:43 <@JonnyH> Put it on the forum and I'll have a look at it later
16:43 <@JonnyH> probably after research (my immediate task)
16:44 < Skin36_> ok
16:45 < Skin36_> also found three structures for research - (but as I understand it is not so actual)
16:47 < Skin36_> formula I checked, the results coincide with the game
17:04 < Skin36_> I also want to find the contribution of other actions in the relationship
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19:16 < SupSuper> heya
19:21 <@JonnyH> g'day
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19:27 < SupSuper> how goes?
19:27 <@JonnyH> Alright
19:28 <@JonnyH> Just solved a nasty issue at work I've been beating my head against for a couple of weeks
19:28 <@JonnyH> which is nice I guess :)
19:29 < SupSuper> funny, we keep beating our head over no nasty issues to solve :p
19:29 <@JonnyH> Another one of these "3 weeks to debug, one line fix" thingies
19:29 < SupSuper> ah yes
19:29 <@JonnyH> about stack corruption & compiler behaviour over multiple threads between different cores
19:29 <@JonnyH> all coming together to make it near impossible to debug
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20:24 <@JonnyH> So... How are we going to to user notifications?
20:24 <@JonnyH> Like "Research complete, please select new topic"?
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20:40 < SupSuper> wasn't that just a message box?
20:41 < SupSuper> or a ticker message?
20:41 <@JonnyH> I think all ticker messages were message boxes
20:42 <@JonnyH> selectable in the ingameoptions?
20:42 < SupSuper> don't think so, there's no "research complete" in the options
20:43 < SupSuper> upon testing, research is just a yes/no messagebox. for ingame events, i guess we'll need a pausebox or something, with pause/resume buttons
20:43 < SupSuper> and store a list of Tickers with timestamp and map location (if any)
20:43 <@JonnyH> Maybe a Stage?
20:44 <@JonnyH> for stuff like "Assault team arrived at building" it zooms to that right?
20:45 < SupSuper> not sure. either it zooms when you select pause or when you use the zoom button
20:45 < SupSuper> and yeah a Stage is fine for modal notifications
20:45 <@JonnyH> I'm reasonably sure if you responded to an "Alien Spotted" thing it pops up the building screen when they arrive?
20:47 < SupSuper> there's an Alert screen when it's spotted
20:47 < SupSuper> and when you get there it's a Yes/No message box
20:47 <@JonnyH> that's a magic "Building screen that shows all bases" one right?
20:47 < SupSuper> yeah all bases and vehicles iirc
20:47 <@JonnyH> to select which units should respond?
20:49 < SupSuper> right
20:50 <@JonnyH> ..does it has a different .pcx? I guess it has different buttons...
20:50 < SupSuper> ALERT.PCX iirc
20:50 <@JonnyH> Yeah, has the equip agent/vehicle buttons too
20:50 < SupSuper> so basically only the stuff in the ingame options can show a "notification" if checked, which gives you the option of pause/resume
20:51 < SupSuper> everything else is just a screen or a messagebox
20:51 < SupSuper> and all of the above are logged in the ticker
20:56 < SupSuper> at least you don't need a million different notification stages like openxcom :p
20:56 <@JonnyH> No.
20:56 <@JonnyH> We have /different/ problems
20:57 < SupSuper> a million things happening in the cityspace?
20:57 <@JonnyH> Everything in one place! How convenient!
21:08 <@JonnyH> I think I've decided I'll add a RESEARCH_WEEK_0 etc.
21:08 <@JonnyH> that's automatically given each week
21:08 <@JonnyH> to make things appear in the UFOPAedia at the right time
21:09 <@JonnyH> anything without any research dependencies will _never_ be visible for research
21:09 <@JonnyH> to hide the unused topics
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21:13 < SupSuper> alright
21:17 < SupSuper> hmmm where do you draw objects in the cityscape?
21:17 < SupSuper> all i see in CityView::Render is the debug stuff
21:31 <@JonnyH> TileView::Render?
21:32 < SupSuper> that only seems to render tiles? like i was looking for what would render "overlays", like the vehicle icons and stuff
21:32 < SupSuper> or in other words, what's the most appropriate place to render stuff like base outlines :p
21:33 <@JonnyH> Vehicle icons aren't treated as overlays atm, they're drawn as any other tile
21:33 <@JonnyH> e.g. they'll (incorrectly) go 'under' scenery if they actually are below it in z...
21:33 < SupSuper> ohhhh
21:34 <@JonnyH> So probably either after the tile loop in TileView::Render
21:34 < SupSuper> i guess CityView::Render does make the most sense then
21:34 <@JonnyH> or before the UI drawing in CityView::Render would be best
21:35 <@JonnyH> only if TileView::viewMode == Strategy?
21:35 <@JonnyH> Anyway, you can use TileView::tileToScreenCoords() and that should translate it to values you can pass to Renderer::drawLine()
21:35 <@JonnyH> that will 
21:36 <@JonnyH> .'correctly' translate for the isometric view too
21:36 <@JonnyH> but I'm not sure that makes sense :P
21:37 <@JonnyH> for each point you do (this->tileToScreenCoords(baseCornerPointInTileUnits) + this->getScreenOffset())
21:37 <@JonnyH> I think...
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22:09 < SupSuper> does comparing shared pointers make sense?
22:10 <@JonnyH> yes, that's cool
22:11 < SupSuper> so if x == y, does that mean x and y point to the exact same object?
22:11 <@JonnyH> yup
22:11 <@JonnyH> std::shared_ptr<> implements operator==
22:11 <@JonnyH> it's equivalnt to a.get() == b.get()
22:11 <@JonnyH> which is presumably what you want?
22:13 < SupSuper> yes
22:13 <@JonnyH> similarly, you can compare StateRef<> against sp<> or UString :P
22:13 < SupSuper> people always make a big fuss about equal comparisons, but i find myself wanting to find out if it's *the exact same object* much more than *object with the exact same values*
22:14 <@JonnyH> I often use it for "if (thing == this) doSomethingDifferent()
22:14 <@JonnyH> similarly, the IDs in a StateREf<> are /meant/ to be globally referring to the same object
22:14 <@JonnyH> not an 'equivalent object', but the same
22:20 < SupSuper> also is it me or do the vehicles... freak out after a while?
22:20 < SupSuper> i guess they can't figure out their destination?
22:20 <@JonnyH> They do eventually get stuck flipping between two adjacent tiles
22:20 <@JonnyH> Not sure why...
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22:21 <@JonnyH> Might have tried to Land when there was something in the way, as it's often directly above a launch tube
22:21 <@JonnyH> Save the state and inspect the VehicleMission queue?
22:21 <@JonnyH> *serialization as debugging tool*
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22:38 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SupSuper pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vwvLr
22:38 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4abdba8 SupSuper: Add organization relations to Ufopaedia
22:38 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 564fcab SupSuper: MSVC is still not pleased
22:38 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 1223496 SupSuper: Format
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22:38 <@JonnyH> YOU MUST APPEASE THE MSVC GODS
22:39 <@JonnyH> I should mark Logerror() as NoReturn
22:39 <@JonnyH> or whatever msvc attribute means "Stop doing analysis here, it's done goofed"
22:39 < SupSuper> probably a #pragma
22:40 <@JonnyH> c++11
22:40 <@JonnyH> [[noreturn]]
22:44 <@JonnyH> Not sure how I can do the error path in agent.cpp:probabilityMapRandomizer for when T=an enum
22:45 <@JonnyH> the (probabilityMap.empty()) path that is
22:47 < SupSuper> btw you can't compare StateRef<> against UString
22:47 <@JonnyH> No, only other StateRefs... my mistake
22:48 <@JonnyH> stateref == {&state, ID_Ustring} would work though
22:48 <@JonnyH> but at _what cost_?
22:56 < SupSuper> i just did stateref.id == ID_Ustring :p
22:58 <@JonnyH> Should be equivalent...
22:58 <@JonnyH> ASsuming you didn't change the current GameState under it :)
23:10 < SupSuper> well it appears to work? http://puu.sh/ohfYR/830ca5ad53.png
23:10 < SupSuper> although it required a billion type conversions
23:12 < SupSuper> auto screenOffset = this->getScreenOffset();
23:12 < SupSuper> Vec3<float> posA = { building->bounds.p0.x, building->bounds.p0.y, 0 };
23:12 < SupSuper> Vec2<float> screenPosA = this->tileToScreenCoords(posA);
23:12 < SupSuper> screenPosA += screenOffset;
23:12 < SupSuper> Vec3<float> posB = { building->bounds.p1.x, building->bounds.p1.y, 0 };
23:12 < SupSuper> Vec2<float> screenPosB = this->tileToScreenCoords(posB);
23:12 < SupSuper> screenPosB += screenOffset;
23:12 < SupSuper> Colour borderColour;
23:12 < SupSuper> fw().renderer->drawRect(screenPosA, screenPosB - screenPosA, borderColour, 2.0f);
23:13 < SupSuper> possibly a Vec3 -> Vec2 and a tileToOffsetScreenCoords are in order
23:18 <@JonnyH> I'm kinda surprised glm doesn't already do vec3->vec2 truncation...
23:18 <@JonnyH> I guess that's because it's a 'port' from glsl
23:18 <@JonnyH> where they explicitly disallowed any 'auto' type conversions
23:18 <@JonnyH> Vec2<T> myVec2{myVec3}; might work
23:19 < SupSuper> well there is vec2->vec3 and vec<int>->vec<float> and stuff
23:19 < SupSuper> i guess they didn't want lossy conversions?
23:19 <@JonnyH> expansion in graphics makes sense (0,0,0,1) padding
23:19 <@JonnyH> truncation doesn't really have an equivalent for 'points in space'
23:20 < SupSuper> makes sense for colors
23:20 < SupSuper> still i'm *pretty* sure glsl does truncation
23:21 <@JonnyH> through a constructor
23:21 < SupSuper> though i guess you have to be explicit about it
23:21 < SupSuper> like c2 = c.rgb or whatever
23:21 <@JonnyH> 'accidently' instanciating a new vec4 register in gpu-land is kinda nasty
23:22 <@JonnyH> .xy should already work with glm
23:22 <@JonnyH> .xy() maybe? They tried to make it fix with c++ syntax
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05:50 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 377cd78 Jonathan Hamilton: Handle having no selected lab in the research screen...
05:50 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3c9a928 Jonathan Hamilton: Stub ResearchSelect screen
05:50 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 393fa4b Jonathan Hamilton: Add list of available research to ResearchSelect screen
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17:31 < sf{bed_alloc}> hey JonnyH
17:32 <@JonnyH> HEY
17:32 <@JonnyH> sorry, caps :)
17:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> I've decided to finally try my luck at writing physfs archiver for apks (since physfs supports adding archivers by the app, it shouldn't be that complicated)
17:33 <@JonnyH> If you get 'in' to physfs you can fix the iso backend to be less fragile?
17:34 <@JonnyH> And enable .cue/.bin reading? (Presumably just single-track 'iso' modes?)
17:34 <@JonnyH> then solve world hunger... :P
17:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> .cue/.bin is on my list (should be fairly easy, just make a physfs_io layer to feed to the iso archiver)
17:35 <@JonnyH> IIRC it's just you need to slice off the ecc data from each sector? Then it's an iso file?
17:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> well... there's a bunch of modes, but yeah, you just get 2048 bytes from each 2352 sector and you've got your "cooked" iso data
17:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> so basically the hardest part would be to write a .cue parser, which should not be *that* hard
17:37 <@JonnyH> Maybe 'borrow' code from bchunk?
17:37 <@JonnyH> Or only support single track mode 2 files?
17:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> I've seen a parser somewhere in the flac library (it actually has a bunch of "test" .cue files)
17:37 <@JonnyH> IE the only 'data' CDs you'll get?
17:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> does openapoc use mode2?
17:38 <@JonnyH> sorry, MODE1/2352
17:38 < sf{bed_alloc}> iirc there's basically two modes for data: mode1 and mode2/type1
17:38 <@JonnyH> is the 'only' real data mode
17:38 <@JonnyH> mis-remembered
17:39 <@JonnyH> Really we probably only need to support the gog shipped version
17:39 < sf{bed_alloc}> also mode1/2048, which is "iso" (looks like cuesheets might refer not just to .bin files)
17:39 <@JonnyH> I doubt people would dig out their old apoc CDs and rip them :P
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17:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, if it's a single track cd, then we can just parse FILE, TRACK and INDEX
17:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> so it should be very easy
17:41 < sf{bed_alloc}> but I've been looking around other parts of the code and noticed some places would have data/ prefix for actual data and others won't
17:42 < sf{bed_alloc}> maybe we should mount data dir to /data/ physfs mountpoint? mount
17:42 <@JonnyH> if you want references:
17:42 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/gog-apoc-cd/XCOM.cue
17:42 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/gog-apoc-cd/XCOM.BIN
17:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> thanks, that's beautiful!
17:44 < sf{bed_alloc}> one thing I'm concerned about is FILE command having the filename in a wrong case
17:44 < sf{bed_alloc}> I think I saw something like that in another random .cue file
17:44 < sf{bed_alloc}> but since we're only targeting that specific cue file, we should be fine
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17:46 <@JonnyH> the filenames are directly copied from the gog download
17:48 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/steam-apoc-cd/cd.iso
17:48 <@JonnyH> is the steam iso
17:48 <@JonnyH> it's _exactly_ the same files
17:48 <@JonnyH> but you might want it as reference
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17:50 < Skin36__> hi
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17:51 <@JonnyH> hey
17:52 < Skin36_> did you see the formula? all clear ?
17:56 <@JonnyH> I haven't had a look
17:56 < Skin36_> ок
17:56 <@JonnyH> is this the 'bribe' formula? The cost to make an organisation friendlier?
17:56 <@JonnyH> I think SupSuper was doing a bit more on organisation relationships
17:56 <@JonnyH> so he might have a better idea
17:57 < Skin36_> but we need to know how it was in the original
18:02 < Skin36_> if you want to remind about the algorithm change of day and night, write
18:02 <@JonnyH> That's a good next one actually
18:02 <@JonnyH> now we have 'time' progression
18:03 < Skin36_> cool
18:03 <@JonnyH> TBH you're going quite a bit faster than I can code :P
18:03 < Skin36_>  :)
18:08 < Skin36_> if I make all the structures 630, 448, 206, and so on, Reversing be a trifle)
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18:09 < Skin36_> hi SupSuper
18:12 < SupSuper> hey
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18:13 < kkmic> Hello folks
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18:15 < sf{bed_alloc}> hey SupSuper
18:16 < sf{bed_alloc}> how's your windows phone/uwp port thingy?
18:16 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: don't run, i got questions! the worst kind of questions! :p
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> oh no...
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm still around :)
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> just probably shouldn't be
18:17 < SupSuper> what to name things and where to put them! what every programmer loves! ;p
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW I managed to get clang-tidy to /actually/ work to fix identifier naming
18:17 < SupSuper> :o
18:18 < SupSuper> i should try that sometime on openxcom. and totally break it
18:18 < SupSuper> sf{bed_alloc}: haven't gotten past installing *all the things* yet
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> the only way I've reliably got it to not SEGFAULT half way through
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> if to have one_big_file.cpp
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> that #include "all/other/sources.cpp"
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> and run it on that :P
18:18 < SupSuper> weird
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems to be inter-dependent changes that break it
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g if a.cpp and b.cpp rely in c.h
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> 'both'try to make the changes to c.h
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and they use fixed offsets for the string in memory
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> which may no longer be valid as the a.cpp changes modified the strings in memory...
18:19 < SupSuper> that's really bad
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
18:20 < SupSuper> anyways i got bases working, kinda sorta hacky. my question now is, i need to refactor, but where do i put the things???
18:21 < SupSuper> for example the base/minibase/etc drawing. should it go in a parent base stage class? as base state helpers? some kind of generic static thingy??
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe a static that returns a sp<COntrol>?
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> you'd still have to handle each ButtonClick event manually though...
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm in a similar situation thinking about where to put the "Package up agent portrait, health bar and frame" stuff somewhere..
18:23 < SupSuper> gut tells me i shouldn't put ui things in the state. and there's a bunch of common functionality among base screens like "change the base and refresh the screen stuff"
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe have a class GenericBaseScreen : public Stage
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> that BaseView / ResearchScreen inherit from?
18:24 < SupSuper> that's what i was thinking (well i couldn't get past "BaseBaseScreen" :p)
18:24 < SupSuper> but, there's also minibases in the cityview! that breaks my "only base screens need this" paradigm! oh noes
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> BaseScreenBase :P
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18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> having the 'gamestate' Base class w/a member that returns an sp<Image> could work?
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> That's *most* of the minibase work right?
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> the other stuff (layout, event handling) would have to be different on the CityView anyway?
18:26 < SupSuper> right
18:26 < SupSuper> but should we put ui stuff in the state? does it even have access to that stuff?
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> no, GameState project should not depend on GameUI (or Forms)
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> but an sp<Image> isn't 'ui' stuff.. directly...
18:28 < SupSuper> maybe we *do* just need a generic helper static class for producing specific graphics of specific stuff
18:28 < SupSuper> like your health bar thing, that's gonna be used *everywhere*
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't want a 'Utils' class full of statics
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> just make them functions if they don't need state...
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> sp<Image> getMiniMap(StateRef<Base>); is fine right?
18:29 < SupSuper> well when i say "static class" i just as well mean "c++ namespace"
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> or sp<Control> getFramedHealthPortrait(sp<Image> portrait, float health, Colour healthColour (blue for shield));
18:31 < SupSuper> something like BaseGraphics::getMiniMap(base)?
18:31 < SupSuper> or StateGraphics::getAgentPortrait which just ends up doing getFramedHealthPortrait(...)
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> sure, namespaces are easier to tweak later than most things
19:24 < sf{bed_alloc}> how do I keep breaking everything I touch... somehow now archiver_iso (and, by extension, probably the whole of physfs) is very much case-sensitive
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> framework/ignorecase.c
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> we had to do a fair bit of work getting around that
19:25 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, I definitely didn't touch any of that
19:25 < sf{bed_alloc}> (probably)
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC iso9660 mostly has things in UPPER_CASE
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> but a lot of viewers 'fix' that by default
19:27 < sf{bed_alloc}> iso9660 should have all caps and 8.3 all the way, though there's that Joliet extension (which is apparently supported by archiver_iso - wonder if turning that off is going to have any effect?)
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> dunno if the apoc iso has the joliet data
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> or rockridge
19:28 < sf{bed_alloc}> physfs apparently is not very happy to have an archiver that doesn't need a physfs_io to function
19:30 < sf{bed_alloc}> maybe I should just provide a "dummy" physfs_io for android assets that won't freak out other archivers
19:30 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: what's preferrable, tileToScreenCoords(..., bool offset) or tileToOffsetScreenCords?
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> errm... I think I slightly prefer a new function name
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than 'bool dosomethingdifferent'
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19:34 < SupSuper> i'm kinda curious how often you want non-offset coordinates, since most cases seem to have them
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I wanted to make tileToScreenCoords<> static...
19:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> AHAHAHAHA
19:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> AAssetManager_openDir will always return a non-null pointer
19:48 < sf{bed_alloc}> even if you actually try to open a directory that doesn't exist in the assets
19:49 < SupSuper> i don't know if offsetScreenToTileCoords is needed as well though
19:49 < sf{bed_alloc}> and that's kinda why case-insensitivity was no more
19:51 < sf{bed_alloc}> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26101371/checking-if-directory-folder-exists-in-apk-via-native-code-only
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I should just make all resources lower case in openapoc
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> we're a little inconsistent right now...
19:55 < sf{bed_alloc}> funny thing is, the "correct" case for iso would probably be "upper", but ah well, if the case-insensitivity works, it's fine either way
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19:56 < sf{bed_alloc}> somehow I'm seeing the same file getting opened over and over again, though...
19:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> (probably when probing imageloaders)
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> we try to open palettes with an image loader first?
20:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> not sure... but we seem to open the file over and over in each image reader, when we could load the whole file into a buffer and use that on different decoders
20:00 < SupSuper> "binary '+' : no operator found which takes a left-hand operand of type 'glm::tvec2<float,0>' (or there is no acceptable conversion)"
20:00 < SupSuper> ughhhhhhhhhhhh
20:03 < sf{bed_alloc}> this was so much easier when I just unpacked everything to a case-insensitive filesystem T_T
20:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> now I can't even be sure how exactly the AAssetManager operates, because who the hell needs explicit docs with corner cases
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> That's what stackoverflow is for, right?
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> The only way I've managed to get anything done is have an aosp checkout for reference...
20:08 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, except the whole asset manager is broken down into several .cpp files in different places and why should that even be that hard really it's just reading a .zip
20:08 < sf{bed_alloc}> (I've actually stumbled upon an archiver_apk.c somewhere - it just opened the .apk as a .zip and didn't care)
20:09 < sf{bed_alloc}> Seems like I managed to get to the main menu, except there's no graphics or anything
20:09 < sf{bed_alloc}> progress!
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH you could probably implement an fs.c backend using the android asset stuff directly
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> that falls back to physfs if that fails
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than modifying physfs directly
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> and I should probably replace all the 'readAll()' calls with something that can be replaced by a const mapping
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> so it doesn't /have/ to re-read everyt ime
20:15 < sf{bed_alloc}> where's the fun in that? besides, I'm not modifying it per se - I'm just writing a PHYSFS_Archiver that I'm then registering in the physfs itself... thing is, seems like that stuff is not yet for public consumption
20:15 < sf{bed_alloc}> as it mentions physfs 2.1
20:16 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh! a couple xml fixes, and we're in! wonder if the horrifying loading times is due to the debug build
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> probably?
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Loading the game? Or loading the menu?
20:17 < sf{bed_alloc}> the menu
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm.. that shouldn't be doing much...
20:17 < sf{bed_alloc}> it was showing me a blank screen for a good couple of minutes
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Normally that's pretty quick
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> but then starting the game takes a while
20:17 < sf{bed_alloc}> a couple of seconds on a desktop
20:18 < sf{bed_alloc}> but mobiles are much more limited, apparently
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh,it does instantiate all the Forums
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> which takes quite a while to load the images...
20:19 < sf{bed_alloc}> ...and of course it crashes a while later, because I didn't remove all those data/ prefixes
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> (and depending on how long ago you branched, might read the whole ufopaedia, which is a lot of images...)
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> which really should be loaded on demand...
20:20 < sf{bed_alloc}> um, yesterday?
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, not changed since then :)
20:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> I've finally freaked out about half of the code using PhysFS to read the files while the other half just assumed we're running from the parent dir of data
20:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> wrote four lines to "fix" the issue
20:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> (i.e. change the working dir to whatever the Resource.LocalDataDir's parent would be)
20:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> wrote another twenty lines to whine about the fact that I have to do it
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, that's something I want to fix...
20:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> thought about it for a while
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> writing out with minizip doesn't work with streams, for example
20:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> and decided to just "fix" the offending places in serialize.cpp
20:24 < sf{bed_alloc}> by the way, how about subclassing IFile from ifstream? right now I've got a lot of basically-the-same code in readPack and readDir
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> feel free to push patches :)
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20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> It's already an istream?
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> what does ifstream give you on top?
20:27 < sf{bed_alloc}> saying something like std::istream in = boost::filesystem::ifstream(manifestPath, ...); if(!in) in = Framework::getInstance().data->fs.open(manifestPath)
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> you mean boost::filesystem::ifstream?
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> not std::ifstream?
20:27 < SupSuper> ok vec's frustrate me so i've given up on that particular refactoring :p
20:27 < sf{bed_alloc}> boost::filesystem::ifstream is a subclass of std::ifstream, isn't it?
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: what were you trying to do?
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: yeah, I think the only difference is a constructor that takes boost::filesystem::path
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH you could probably get away with std::ifstream(path.string())
20:28 < SupSuper> i just did return this->tileToScreenCoords(c, v) + this->getScreenOffset() but it's really angry about these differing types for whatever reason
20:28 < SupSuper> well i just did this->tileToScreenCoords(c, v) + Vec2<T>{this->getScreenOffset()} and it fixed it?? so ??? whatever
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Vec<int> vs Vec<unsigned int>?
20:29 < sf{bed_alloc}> anyway, I can't assign to an std::istream object (and for a good reason, but that's not the point), and that leads to code duplication on my part
20:29 < SupSuper> int vs float
20:29 < SupSuper> *shrug*
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20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, according to my profile - at startup (IT to main menu)
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> 1/3 of the time is spent running mktime()
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> 1/4 or so reading in pcx images (about 1/3 of that is the initial RGBImage colour set, which is completely useless)
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> those results are... interesting :P
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20:37 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SupSuper pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vwU8o
20:37 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 13d2927 SupSuper: Clean up unused variables
20:37 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4b76fc0 SupSuper: Stub base selection on map
20:37 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master aa188b0 SupSuper: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc.git
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20:38 < SupSuper> hmmm just noticed getScreenOffset isn't a simple getter... hope that doesn't turn into a performance drain
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably not huge...
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> if it is, we can store the 'centerPos' in screen coords, not tile coords
21:00 < SupSuper> well clicking on bases totally works, but i can't put the map back the way it was since i can't share a this. maybe i should use a c-pointer ;)
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> shared_from_this?
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> USTring ID -> StateREf<>?
21:01 < SupSuper> stages aren't in state
21:01 < SupSuper> i think?
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, no... std::enable_shared_from_this?
21:02 < SupSuper> why is that optional? surely there must be consequences for doing it...
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> it effectively means you *must* have created the object from std::make_shared<>
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> (or mksp<>)
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I think we do for Stages anyway?
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> as it attached a weak_ptr<> to *this
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> that's set to be that initial shared_ptr<>
21:04 < SupSuper> oh it already has enable_shared_from_this
21:04 < SupSuper> hurray!
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> :D
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> auto shared_ptr = shared_from_this();
21:08 < SupSuper> i wonder why clang_format keeps generating tmp files
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21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/physfs-hg-import/commit/5918c4ffe96d37a1e43cc669120115b5d5a9a0f5
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21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> how do halve the time spent loading the game...
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22:52 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vwUQN
22:52 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 138a968 Jonathan Hamilton: Make PCXLoader a fair bit faster...
22:52 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f1b7391 Jonathan Hamilton: More PCXLoader speed improvements...
22:52 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4675136 Jonathan Hamilton: Disable timestamps in dependency physfs...
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22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> ...maybe I should make the image loader lazy? Currently it reads in all referenced images at game load, including all the fullscreen ufopaedia screens etc...
22:59 < SupSuper_> *shrugs* depends if you prefer lag inside or outside the game i guess
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Still, those commits go from 1.65 seconds to 1.2 seconds to "start game, load novice game, quit"
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> hopefully the proportions would be similar (or even better) on mobile
23:01 <@JonnyH`Work> along with a physfs 'hack' that disables timestamps which was causing a worrying large chunk of time to be spent on that...
23:01 <@JonnyH`Work> we don't care about atime/mtime in the iso anyway
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23:28 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SupSuper pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vwUbX
23:28 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8018088 SupSuper: You can buy bases! Still can't select them though...
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23:29 < SupSuper_> i was gonna do ui but messing around with vecs and pointers took all my time :p
23:30 < SupSuper_> so you get a crude "click on bases and buy the hell out of them"
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> nice :D
23:32 < SupSuper_> btw vehicles seem to freak out even more now
23:36 <@JonnyH`Work> they end up with 2 vehicles on the 'same' tile
23:36 <@JonnyH`Work> and they freak out trying to get past each other
23:36 <@JonnyH`Work> the original moved vehicles a couple of tiles in a $RANDOM direction to try to solve that
23:37 <@JonnyH`Work> not yet implemented here
23:37 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW if you go to turbo mode it'll fix it
23:37 <@JonnyH`Work> as one will move far enough in one update loop to get out the way :)
23:39 < SupSuper_> TURBO mode???
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> GO FASTER
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> max speed
23:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm off, might be back a bit laster
23:44 <@JonnyH`Work> but it'll probably be $CRAZY AM over in yurop
23:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so have a good evening :)
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18:56 < Skin36_> hi
18:57 < SupSuper> hey
19:00 < Skin36_> you want to alter the algorithm the relationship between the organizations?
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19:53 < SupSuper> Skin36_: what do you mean?
20:02 < Skin36_> you want to alter the algorithm the relationship between the organizations?
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20:10 < SupSuper> i don't think we extract the relationship data yet
20:15 < Skin36> I wrote on the forum about the algorithm improve relations. Johnny said. that you would like to change it
20:16 < SupSuper> oh, just in general
20:17 < SupSuper> the fact that all you can do is piss people off and buy them back is dumb
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15:38 < Skin36> hi
15:38 < SupSuper> hey
15:42 < Skin36> I'm trying to understand how to generate veh of organizations. Nothing I can not understand
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15:11 < JonnyH> How's it going?
15:11 < JonnyH> Apart from hating c++ of course :P
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15:30 < Skin36> hi
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15:31 < Skin36> http://www.strategycore.co.uk/files/a-patcher/
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17:25 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2da3a01 Jonathan Hamilton: Correctly initialse LAB_ starting ID to 0, regenerate gamestate
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18:17 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ebb91c8 Jonathan Hamilton: Show total skill currently assigned and required lab size for research
18:17 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4f2a525 Jonathan Hamilton: Show research topic title & description on mouse over
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17:52 < Skin36_> hi
17:55 < JonnyH> hey
18:06 < Skin36_> I seem to figured out how to generate vehickles for organizations
18:07 < JonnyH> cool
18:10 < Skin36_> but I still have to specify the details
18:10 < JonnyH> I assume the equipent on all generated vehicles is always the default starting equipment?
18:10 < JonnyH> As in 'non-xcom' organisations cannot change equipment
18:12 < Skin36_> but I can say that the generation occurs not during the attack on the building, and in advance, for all organizations
18:13 < Skin36_> as if to destroy the vehickles, the organization will buy it for the money
18:14 < JonnyH> Oh, so everyone keeps a 'stock' of vehicles
18:14 < Skin36_> yes default, but perhaps as the level is changing
18:15 < Skin36_> I found the structure for this(veh for org)
18:16 < Skin36_> its 68x27
18:16 < Skin36_> 27 -orgs, 34x2 vehickes
18:17 < Skin36_> but I do not understand how they are distributed on buildings
18:18 < JonnyH> possibly randomly?
18:19 < Skin36_> possible, but I can not find evidence of this
18:20 < Skin36_> and it seems they are limited to 5 per building
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18:35 < SupSuper> hey
18:38 < JonnyH> hi
18:42 < Skin36_> hi
18:42 < JonnyH> ok, so I might make gamestate_Serialize.cpp autogenerated...
18:43 < SupSuper> hah
18:43 < JonnyH> autogenerated, but checked-in source
18:43 < SupSuper> out of curiosity, did anyone ever send one of our videos to mr. gollop? ;)
18:44 < JonnyH> I'm not aware of anything like that
18:44 < JonnyH> Probably should make a new video too :)
18:44 < JonnyH> with a couple of bug fixes first...
18:44 < SupSuper> you can't make a new video until the destructability is back ;p
18:45 < JonnyH> and I've fixed the imageoffset for scenery tiles...
18:45 < JonnyH> And I've fixes the pathfinding getting 'stuck' when it encounters another vehicle...
18:45 < JonnyH> And....
18:46 < JonnyH> Well, I've had a few days off work, and I'm free today
18:46 < JonnyH> Let's see what I can get done :)
18:47 < SupSuper> i'm hoping to finish up base selection soon
18:47 < SupSuper> speaking of which, got a question
18:47 < JonnyH> oh no...
18:51 < SupSuper> what's the best way to generate a graphic in runtime? blitting to an image? rendering to a surface? mystery option 3?
18:52 < JonnyH> depends on the size & frequency of changes
18:53 < JonnyH> I suspect if you're not compositing images together, ie each 'draw' call only touches a handful of pixels
18:53 < JonnyH> it'll probably be quicker doing it in sw with a n RGBImageLock
18:54 < SupSuper> well i'm abstracting the render minimap/minibase/baseview as we discussed
18:55 < JonnyH> minbase would probably be good with sw
18:55 < SupSuper> for minimap it was easy as that was already a self-contained rgbimage
18:55 < JonnyH> you modify it once
18:55 < JonnyH> and it'll be read-only for many frames
18:55 < SupSuper> but for miniview i'm having trouble doing blits as the framework returns Images and the lock expects RGBImage/PalettedImage
18:56 < SupSuper> and for baseview it might not be feasible because of text and alpha composition?
18:56 < JonnyH> why not return a Control tree?
18:56 < JonnyH> each minimap will be a sw-rendered RGBImage
18:57 < JonnyH> but the text etc. will be it's own Controls?
18:57 < SupSuper> that's gonna lead to a few dozen controls...
18:58 < SupSuper> and can i custom render to controls? i havent' checked how you do your health bar stuff...
18:58 < JonnyH> Don't you need the Controls anyway to handle the click events?
18:58 < JonnyH> I just render to an RBImage, and set that as a Graphic control
18:59 < SupSuper> hmmm full baseview probably doesn't need to be abstracted as it's only in two screens
18:59 < SupSuper> although buffering it would save some renders, but less messy to update i guess
19:09 < SupSuper> ok so blitting it is. so how do i deal with this "cannot convert sp<Image> to sp<RGBImage>"
19:11 < JonnyH> dynamic_pointer_cast<RGBImage>(image) should work
19:11 < JonnyH> as it's just a virtual superclass
19:21 < SupSuper> whoops, there is no RGBImage::blit, only PalettedImage::blit
19:22 < SupSuper> hopefully we can assume all the source graphics are Paletted :p
19:24 < SupSuper> they don't even have the same parameters! this is some interesting inheritance you got here :)
19:25 < JonnyH> Think of it as a tag then, "Subclasses of this class behave in some ways like an image"
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19:25 < JonnyH> the research progress bar must be an image somewhere, it's not solid colours...
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19:27 < JonnyH> and it's completely different between the select screen and the lab screen...
19:28 < SupSuper> there seem to be some bar-like graphics in NEWBUT.PCK 62 and 63
19:28 < SupSuper> 62 looks like the vertical facility usage and 63 looks like the research one (the back at least)
19:29 < JonnyH> 63 looks like the research select screen yup
19:29 < SupSuper> the bar itself looks like a flat color drawn on top
19:29 < JonnyH> and the research screen one is baked into the background...
19:30 < JonnyH> Yeah, just red over the top of the gray bar
19:30 < SupSuper> gotta be efficient!
19:30 < JonnyH> 100x2 px in the select, 150x2 in the lab screen
19:30 < JonnyH> I may have been hoping to generalise :P
19:31 < SupSuper> well you can make both controls, but one conveniently doesn't have a background graphic?
19:32 < JonnyH> I was just going to make a 'control' with a red background that changes width?
19:32 < JonnyH> Actually, making a fill-width control that we modify the Image of might be better...
19:32 < SupSuper> well i mean for the list you're gonna need to put the bar background as well
19:34 < SupSuper> hmmm my paletteimage blit is crashing :<
19:35 < JonnyH> Maybe it's not a PaletteImage?
19:35 < JonnyH> dynamic_pointer_cast<Palettemage> would return nullptr then
19:36 < SupSuper> what else could it be!
19:36 < JonnyH> RGBImage? Surface?
19:37 < JonnyH> If you load_image("/path/to/palette/image:path/to/palette") it'll convert it upfront to an RGBImage
19:37 < JonnyH> if so implementing RGBImage::blit would be trivial
19:37 < JonnyH> IE sed s/Palette/RGB/g
19:38  * SupSuper weeps openly
19:38 < JonnyH> It crashes? Backtrace! Debugger! Magic!
19:39 < JonnyH> What kind of c++ coder are you?
19:39 < SupSuper> yeah because running openapoc in debug doesn't take an hour :p
19:39 < JonnyH> Forgot you run on windows... :P
19:40 < SupSuper> but you are right, it's an RGBImage. i guess while i'm here i'll make the blit calls match
19:40 < JonnyH> It still generates debug info on release, just the optimiser makes everything hard to track... you might have some luck anyway
19:40 < JonnyH> TBH you should probably make the paletteImage one match RGB
19:40 < JonnyH> as having a src offset might be useful there too
19:41 < SupSuper> but all that code!
19:42 < SupSuper> ...actually nothing uses the palette blit either
19:42 < JonnyH> wait.. where's the RGBImage::blit implementation?
19:42 < SupSuper> oh no, the font does
19:42 < JonnyH> BitmapFont uses it
19:42 < SupSuper> that's what i told you, there is no RGBImage::blit :p
19:42 < SupSuper> it's all a web of lies!
19:42 < SupSuper> and i'm caught right in the middle
19:42 < JonnyH> I clearly put that there just to trick you
19:43 < JonnyH> and you fell into my trap
19:43 < SupSuper> who can you trust when you can't trust headers!
19:43 < SupSuper> intellisense, apparently
19:43 < JonnyH> Until you're deep in templates
19:44 < JonnyH> I guess that's probably intentional to discourage such things
19:50 < SupSuper> well i guess it was about time i broke the very core of the application :p
19:50 < JonnyH> hey, that's my thing...
20:01 < SupSuper> http://hastebin.com/esuziqaxar.cpp better?
20:02 < JonnyH> maybe transform-and-clamp before the loop?
20:03 < SupSuper> that's what the size does, i think
20:03 < JonnyH> ha, yeah :P
20:03 < JonnyH> lgtm
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20:06 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 71be8fe Jonathan Hamilton: Correctly init lodepng state in loadPNGPalette...
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20:06 < SupSuper> and it's the exact same code for RGB... too bad we can't just abstract it :p
20:06 < JonnyH> template<ImageType> ImageLock?
20:08 < SupSuper> the pixels aren't in Image...
20:08 < SupSuper> and they're not called the same either :p
20:08 < JonnyH> naa, you'd have a template<> ImageLock<RGBImage>{}; specialisation
20:08 < JonnyH> and a template<> ImageLock<PaletteImage>{} too
20:09 < SupSuper> although the locks are also pretty similar...
20:09 < JonnyH> you wouldn't be able to lock Image directly...
20:09 < SupSuper> but i think i'll save that refactoring for later, first i wanna make sure i didn't break everything :p
20:15 < SupSuper> now drawMinimap is crashing??? this can't be right...
20:16 < JonnyH> wait, that's _your_ code
20:16 < JonnyH> No way that could be incorrect
20:16 < SupSuper> well that was already working, i didn't touch it :p
20:16 < SupSuper> i probably corrupted something somewhere
20:16 < JonnyH> clearly
20:17 < SupSuper> at least the new blit works, i can still see text :p
20:18 < JonnyH> hurdur I'm an idiot
20:18 < JonnyH> for another reason :P
20:18 < JonnyH> I've been wondering why my Control has zero siize
20:18 < JonnyH> but the size xml takes width/height not x/y
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20:23 < SupSuper> yeah that's always confusing
20:23 < SupSuper> game engines always call everything x/y/z to not get into that :p
20:23 < JonnyH> I kinda did that in my serialisation stuff
20:23 < JonnyH> It's a Vec2<> if it's a size/height/offset
20:23 < JonnyH> and that has x/y
20:24 < SupSuper> yeah at least you have Vec2s. don't look at openxcom where stuff is called differently everywhere :p
20:26 < SupSuper> ok so drawMinimap *is* broken. but i didn't touch it. did *you* break it? :p
20:26 < JonnyH> probably?
20:26 < JonnyH> not knowingly though...
20:27 < SupSuper> on the bright side, the minibase works?
20:27 < SupSuper> the mind boggles
20:28 < JonnyH> the minimap appears fine here...
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20:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 32c5ec8 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix whitespace
20:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3cda76e Jonathan Hamilton: Show project progress in lab screen
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20:36 < JonnyH> bah, building with sanitize is _slow_
20:37 < JonnyH> when are those 24 core xeons coming out? :P
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20:43 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c1e4965 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix crash when selecting workshops in the research screen...
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20:46 < SupSuper> i think we need keyboard shortcuts, so i can actually test things in debug :P
20:47 < JonnyH> For profiling I've sometimes changed MainMenu to go directly to another Stage :P
20:48 < SupSuper> i can barely make it past the loading screen...
20:48 < JonnyH> On windows - in release at least - it spends like 2/3 of it's time 'loading' running PHYSFS_Stat...
20:49 < JonnyH> I guess they need a dentry cache :P
20:50 < JonnyH> It'll probably be bypassed if you use the 'extracted cd' option instead
20:50 < SupSuper> well they probably don't cache them inside isos...
20:50 < JonnyH> It's just made worse by the ignorecase.c implementaiton...
20:50 < JonnyH> which stats /everything/
20:50 < SupSuper> well i found my bug. a bad interaction between my MiniViews and Minimap
20:51 < JonnyH> they interact?
20:51 < SupSuper> just for testing i did a for (int i = 0; i < 8; i++) miniview(). because of the funny way c++ maps work, this ended up generating 7 null bases...
20:52 < JonnyH> oh, yeah, even going near operator[] means you get lots of weird default constructed objects you probably didn't intend
20:52 < SupSuper> yeah, you can't even const []. but .at is so ugly...
20:53 < JonnyH> I normally just use find() and compare against .end()
20:53 < JonnyH> as the exception handling is even worse
20:54 < JonnyH> this is why we need std::optional!
20:54 < SupSuper> that's even uglier!
20:54 < JonnyH> it'll be in c++17 apparently...
20:54 < JonnyH> Gogo msvc 2025!
21:00 < SupSuper> woohoo! http://puu.sh/onhpR/24862cadf3.png
21:00 < SupSuper> i know it looks exactly the same, but i can assure you the code is *completely* different :p
21:01 < JonnyH> It doesn't look *exactly* the same
21:01 < JonnyH> The red box highlighting the selected base is missing
21:02 < JonnyH> though that was a different size to the white outlines and looked a bit weird anyway...
21:02 < SupSuper> that's how it looks in the original :p
21:03 < JonnyH> really?
21:03 < JonnyH> huh
21:03 < SupSuper> you can insult a lot of things but not my pixel accuracy, mr. can't even be arsed to match up the rgb colors ;)
21:03 < JonnyH> Well, I mean it's /kinda/ red right?
21:03 < JonnyH> TBH I should make all these colours part of GameState..
21:04 < SupSuper> coloralias.xml? :p
21:05 < JonnyH> Next time pmprog is around ask when he can implement a full theme engine for Forms :P
21:05 < JonnyH> that'll scare him right off again...
21:05 < SupSuper> look on the bright side, his Forms are gonna have a long longevity
21:05 < SupSuper> compared to everything else we rewrite on a whim...
21:06 < JonnyH> "Once you check-in code, you aren't allowed to touch it for N months"
21:06 < JonnyH> might make interesting development.. no check-ins until you're 100% sure
21:07 < SupSuper> "initial commit" - 12 years ago
21:08 < JonnyH> commit #1 "Implement everything - we've been working on this by passing around floppy discs to avoid weird source control rules" - 2 hours ago
21:09 < SupSuper> i wonder what's the quickest way of matching a base to a control. for (base : player_bases) i++?
21:10 < SupSuper> oh wait, controls can have Data! i knew that would come in handy :)
21:10 < JonnyH> SetData(base_sharedptr)?
21:10 < JonnyH> then you can recover that to a StateRef<> with a State
21:27 < SupSuper> SetDepressedImage is a really unnerving name
21:27 < JonnyH> It's just a picture of a sad man..
21:28 < JonnyH> Mod idea: Soldier happyness
21:28 < JonnyH> Keep them entertained for extra stat boosts!
21:28 < SupSuper> theme x-com huh
21:28 < JonnyH> The Sims: Enemy Unknown
21:33 < SupSuper> ok i've restored all original functionality, time for a push me thinks
21:34 < SupSuper> before a crash happens or something :p
21:37 < JonnyH> quick, before I break something else
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21:49 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 58e92a2 SupSuper: Refactor blit for PaletteImage and RGBImage
21:49 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d258a3e SupSuper: Refactor base drawing into common functions
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21:54 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8de0edb Jonathan Hamilton: Add basegraphics.{cpp,h} to cmake build
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21:55 < SupSuper> you're not using wildcards? :p
21:58 < JonnyH> Naa, I fell into that breaking too often to be worth it
22:23 < SupSuper> hmmm apparently you don't need to null-initialize shared pointers
22:23 < SupSuper> would clean up some constructors
22:24 < JonnyH> do we do that commonly?
22:24 < SupSuper> probably leftovers from the pre-shared-pointer wars
22:24 < JonnyH> Dark times...
22:24 < SupSuper> 25 results
22:37 < SupSuper> ugh so easy to make the game recompile everything...
22:38 < JonnyH> sorry :$
22:38 < JonnyH> I tried to split it a bit better when moving stuff around
22:38 < JonnyH> but it's still not perfect...
22:38 < JonnyH> At least stuff like the Forms should be separated?
22:38 < SupSuper> i dunno what i did, sometimes it just feels like it
22:39 < SupSuper> probably clang decides to reformat something global
22:39 < JonnyH> Maybe it modified mtime even it doesn't do anything useful?
22:40 < SupSuper> woo, refactoring: http://puu.sh/ono89/1262068721.png
22:41 < SupSuper> also the building cost formula doesn't seem to be as linear as i thought. maybe Skin36 can figure it out?
22:45 < JonnyH> So it's not linear to the area?
22:45 < SupSuper> it's proportional to the area, but it doesn't seem to be linear. or each building has a different per-tile cost. or i messed up my math :p
22:47 < JonnyH> I think the building 'types' have different values?
22:47 < JonnyH> skin saw a table of that somewhere, possibly related to income for organisations
22:47 < JonnyH> so maybe it uses the same data?
22:47 < SupSuper> probably slums and warehouses are different?
22:48 < JonnyH> I'd guess, as they're the only buildings xcom can buy we might not be able to test the others...
22:49 < SupSuper> well we're missing all the building type metadata anyways...
22:49 < JonnyH> yeah, dunno if we have that pinned down yet?
22:49 < SupSuper> i think the only clue would be seeing what ufopaedia accesses
22:49 < JonnyH> the .bld file has a _lot_ of unknowns
22:50 < SupSuper> since it shows % alien infiltration for buildings
22:50 < JonnyH> at least some are used for live game data (like % alien infiltration you said)
22:53 < JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/191e29de391b4916426c595fffcb444aa6ec27a9
22:53 < JonnyH> thoughts?
22:54 < JonnyH> Is an xml definition of all the gamestate 'evil'?
22:54 < JonnyH> I like the ability to add all kinda of metadata for introspection there
22:54 < JonnyH> like i could 'automatically' hook up the std::map<UString, T> that contain a StateObject<T>
22:55 < JonnyH> and make it so serializeOut only outputs the 'difference' from a reference (IE the reverse of the 'patches' stuff)
22:55 < SupSuper> gotta make xml to make xml?
22:55 < JonnyH> and I can also annotate it to get a GUI tree in the editor :)
22:55 < JonnyH> It's xml all the way down
22:55 < JonnyH> I only used that as we *already* use xml
22:55 < JonnyH> I don't really like it, much too verbose when all I want is a key=value tree
22:56 < SupSuper> :p
22:56 < SupSuper> might have to drop the "base selection as a stage" idea, since indirectly hooking into cityview is... messy
22:57 < JonnyH> maybe...
22:57 < SupSuper> could just toggle controls i guess
22:57 < JonnyH> A helper for TileView to handle the 'Click at x/y, does it hit any tiles?' might be enough
22:57 < SupSuper> cityview is gonna get pretty big though :p
22:57 < JonnyH> the code's already there, just might need moving
22:58 < JonnyH> (maybe a map of tile 'types' you're interested in, like non-vehicles :))
22:58 < SupSuper> well the render's also in cityview. and the events. and etc etc
22:59 < JonnyH> TileView, not CityView
22:59 < JonnyH> Of course, CityView inherits that...
22:59 < SupSuper> and stuff like craft commands will probably need a running state anyways
23:00 < JonnyH> It pauses when you choose a craft action, right
23:00 < JonnyH> ?
23:01 < SupSuper> it pauses the *craft*. not the rest of the game
23:02 < JonnyH> that single craft?
23:02 < JonnyH> That's going to be hard to re-implement...
23:02 < JonnyH> but it's kinda weird behaviour...
23:02 < JonnyH> Might just make it pause the game for ease of use
23:02 < JonnyH> Anyway, I might change the click-on-tile stuff to use screenspace rects around the Images again, instead of the voxel map
23:03 < JonnyH> as quite a few vehiciesl end up with voxel maps that don't appear to cover the areas they visually cover
23:03 < JonnyH> making it rather annoying to try to select something...
23:03 < SupSuper> well i guess i'll leave it for now until you figure it out :p
23:04 < SupSuper> and reuse whatever you use for orders i guess
23:04 < JonnyH> Naa, that'll be hidden behind a "WhatHaveIClickedOn(Vec2<int>screenCoords)
23:04 < JonnyH> I also need to hook into your base stuff, and stop you destroying labs with assigned agents or ongoing projects...
23:05 < SupSuper> well there's a placeholder for that
23:05 < SupSuper> in canDestroyFacility
23:06 < SupSuper> annoying thing is each facility has a custom string instead of a "%s in use" :p
23:11 < SupSuper> wow BaseScreen is barely 400 lines now
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23:14 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 400c404 Jonathan Hamilton: Block destroying labs with active projects/assigned agents
23:14 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4799be7 Jonathan Hamilton: Enable 'cancel current project' button in research select screen
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23:16 < JonnyH> Right, the research screen is pretty much functional now
23:17 < JonnyH> I just need to actually progress research?
23:29 < SupSuper> woah slow down there
23:29 < JonnyH> I'm going as slowly as I can
23:29 < SupSuper> the arrow doesn't work ;p
23:30 < JonnyH> Oh, yeah, about that...
23:30 < JonnyH> errm....
23:30  * JonnyH runs away
23:30 < JonnyH> Anyway, I'm off for a bit, so have a good evening
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23:31 < SupSuper> cya
23:31 < SupSuper> well i got base switching working, this is getting gamier by the minute!
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23:57 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 1aa3c55 SupSuper: Add base graphics to Base Buy screen
23:57 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master cd1bdde SupSuper: Add base switching to Base Screen
23:57 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2cceeb4 SupSuper: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc
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18:37 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4dd8c69 Jonathan Hamilton: I keep accidently reverting the version of dependencies/physfs...
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18:39 < SupSuper> lol, hey
18:40 < JonnyH`Work> hey
18:40 < JonnyH`Work> The issue with the dependencies/ version only being used for windows (and travis)
18:40 < JonnyH`Work> is I don't notice if I don't 'git submodule update'
18:40 < JonnyH`Work> then 'git add -u' picks up the 'old version' still checked out...
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18:42 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #67: update build doc for Ubuntu 14.04.3 (master...ImproveUbuntuBuildDoc) https://git.io/vVDfb
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18:42 < SupSuper> good thing most clients don't know what submodules are :p
18:42 < JonnyH`Work> 'new' git (2.6+?) automatically update it on pull
18:43 < JonnyH`Work> But clearly I can't rely on that being installed
18:51 < SupSuper> btw nice job with the research stuff
18:52 < SupSuper> although i noticed lots of nested controls is a quick way to wreck the fps :p
18:53 < JonnyH`Work> Yeah, some drivers don't like the Surface switching...
18:57 < JonnyH`Work> Todo: Add 'financial' dependencies
18:57 < SupSuper> maybe it should all just be immediate rendering?
18:57 < JonnyH`Work> Possibly, just drawing on top of the current Form surface may be good enough
18:57 < JonnyH`Work> but then we'll have to re-work the 'relative' offset stuff
18:58 < JonnyH`Work> which would be easy enough, passing an accumulating offset down the ->Render() call stack
18:58 < SupSuper> well the 'relative' stuff doesn't work at all outside of controls anyways :p
18:58 < JonnyH`Work> but IDGAF as all the platforms I happen to test on don't even break a sweat on that particular detail...
18:59 < SupSuper> oh you
18:59 < JonnyH`Work> Or at least it's less annoying to me, so less likely to get pissed off enough to start hacking through source :P
18:59 < SupSuper> you're just lucky i know jack shit about gl :p
18:59 < JonnyH`Work> You shouldn't need to touch the Renderer at all
19:00 < JonnyH`Work> just make the Control not have it's own Surface, and instead offset all offsets passed into the draw calls in ->Render() by a passed in parentOffset
19:00 < JonnyH`Work> and pass this controls offset down as any subcontrols parentOffset
19:01 < JonnyH`Work> TBH I've not noticed it on win10/intel win10/amd linux/intel or linux/amd
19:01 < JonnyH`Work> nvidia-specific slowness?
19:02 < JonnyH`Work> or something more nuanced than 'vendor/platform'
19:02 < SupSuper> i can run a profiler
19:02 < JonnyH`Work> might be nie
19:03 < JonnyH`Work> if it doesn spend all it's time in the Surface switching it would be useful to know
19:03 < JonnyH`Work> (or something else unexpected)
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19:29 < JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog 
19:29 < JonnyH`Work> How's it going?
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19:29 <@pmprog> Hiya, okay thanks. Not had much time on the PC. How's you?
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Good, better having had a nice long weekend - took an extra couple of days off
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> was quite nice, I didn't even look at a computer for best part of 3 days (probably a record :)
19:31 <@pmprog> :)
19:32 <@pmprog> I'm back doing 5 day weeks for another 4 weeks. I really miss my 4 day weeks
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> and for openapoc, I've got much of the research UI working now
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Heh, I might move to something like that soon..
19:32 < SupSuper> god i wish i had 4 day weeks :p
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been treating my couple of years in the US as "Live on a shoestring, save everything"
19:32 <@pmprog> Hey SupSuper :)
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> and seem to have quite a nice buffer from that :D
19:33 < SupSuper> hey pmprog, i got multiple bases working :)
19:33 <@pmprog> Wow, you guys sound like you've made loads of progress on Apoc
19:33 < SupSuper> well, ""working""
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Might go back to the UK and in a low COL area (like the north east) retire at 35: P
19:33 <@pmprog> :) I'm 35 this year and looking to retire... Don't think I'll make it though
19:34 < SupSuper> pmprog: well we still have no idea how the actual *game* parts of the game work :p
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe you should treat it as a spending problem instead of an income problem
19:34 < SupSuper> it'll probably be like openxcom where we fake it until like 0.9
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Live in a box under a bridge and raid the bins for food
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> you can dramatically decrease your outgoings
19:34 <@pmprog> JonnyH`Work: Or get my wife to go back to work ;-)
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19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> "Stay at home Dad" sounds like a great job
19:35 <@pmprog> SupSuper: well, can't have everything... At least there's been a tonne of progress
19:35 <@pmprog> That was a consideration, apart from the fact I brought home more money than the wife, so I'm kinda the bread-winner
19:35 < SupSuper> shame we can't jog jullian's memory... or i was too coy? either way
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> one of my co-workers is doing exactly that, 'working from home' half the week for ~50% pay
19:36 <@pmprog> Have you quizzed him on Apoc?
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus it was cheaper than daycare :P
19:36 <@pmprog> Yep, childcare is amazingly expensive
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19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> his wife worked for a law firm in London though... they weren't struggling...
19:38 < SupSuper> pmprog: this was it: https://twitter.com/OpenXcom/status/507843878863372288
19:38 <@pmprog> lol, I bet
19:38 < SupSuper> i'm not very direct...
19:39 <@pmprog> Bah...
19:39 <@pmprog> Good try though
19:40 <@pmprog> Any of you guys Commodore computer fans?
19:40 < SupSuper> can't have long messages in tweets...
19:40 < SupSuper> i was thinking JonnyH might be more persuasive with a more direct tweet and video on hand ;)
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe...
19:40 <@pmprog> Are there any newer videos?
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I kinda avoid most of this 'social media' stuff :P
19:40 < SupSuper> pmprog: sorta, i missed the craze but Commodore has some nostalgia value
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog: Nothing new outside my brain yet
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog: I spent a bit of time working with someone doing an fpga-based re-implemnetation of a c128
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> but never had the 'nostalga', a little too young for that :P
19:41 <@pmprog> JonnyH`Work: Not the Mega65 by per-chance?
19:41 <@pmprog> Although that's more of replicating the non-existant C65
19:42 <@pmprog> http://mega65.org
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, it started out as a c128 then morphed into something completely different
19:42 <@pmprog> I bought the FPGA board they're using to dev, but as with everything, it's not even come out of the packaging yet
19:42 < SupSuper> there seems to be a whole lot of 8-bit computer projects lately...
19:42 <@pmprog> Yeah, that's because 8bits were great
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, I really should write up my m68k sbc too :P
19:42 <@pmprog> Apart from the loading times
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> loading time? you had 64kb ram, how long does it take to fill that? :P
19:43 <@pmprog> JonnyH`Work: I'd be interested in that... I was on amigakit looking at a Keyrah, and noticed they were selling 68000 chips
19:43 <@pmprog> JonnyH`Work: Well, 20 minutes or longer... esp' when loading from tape
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> 68000 or 68008? (the smaller 8bit bus, but only DIP 48 instead of the rather insane DIP-64?)
19:44 <@pmprog> Depends on the game and if they used any "fastloaders"
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> 20 mins? That's almost like running on a console! :P
19:44 <@pmprog> http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=45&products_id=1058
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> dip-40 == 68008
19:45 <@pmprog> Nar, consoles were generally faster because the carts just plugged the RAM directly to the processor
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> It spend like half the cycles waiting on the bus
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> no cache, 16-bit instructions, 8-bit bus
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> means half speed
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> the 68000 was literally 2x the speed because of it...
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I acutally got a 68010 (a tweaked, pin-compatible 68000) :P
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19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> of course my 16-bit data, 21-bit address bus looked rather silly on a breadboard w/patch cables...
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> and exploded above ~4mhz :P
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> $16 on ebay for 2 68010p12
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> not bad
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> it was clearly pulled from a system, but worked
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> took ~2 weeks to arrive from china too...
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19:55 <@pmprog> Sorry guys, gotta go. Have fun, and see you next time
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20:16 <@SupSuper> http://puu.sh/oos3v/6f3a92b4d0.png this explains everything!
20:23 <@SupSuper> well controls definitely have a noticable impact on gpu, although that's not the lags i'm seeing, but probably something to be looked at later
20:24 <@SupSuper> every screen adds a load to the gpu, specially since we're always rendering everything on the stack, so the deeper it goes, the more it renders :p
20:24 <@SupSuper> gpu is at 6% in the cityview, up to 11% in the base screen, and up to 16% in research
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> what crappy aenemic gpu are you using on that thing?
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> It uses like ~10% of the gpu total to show the base screen on my old snb celeron
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Or are you running at 4k or something?
20:26 <@SupSuper> hey it's only 3 years old :p
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20:29 <@SupSuper> oh, on your research listbox, you redraw the *entire* list on every click
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> sorry, ivb - 1037u
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> in the research select screen?
20:30 <@SupSuper> yeah
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> only at HoverChange / SelectChange?
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> sorry, SelectChange
20:31 <@SupSuper> right. seems a bit much just for updating a red background
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> and the 'total skill' number
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> again, it's not been a focus for me as on my system it doesnt even show up in the profile...
20:32 <@SupSuper> i guess in the full game you won't have 50 techs at once but
20:34 <@SupSuper> on that note, what should i move to next? clean up the damn "base selection" mode? fix up base naming and text events? clean up old practices in code? mystery option?
20:35 <@SupSuper> gotta ride this coding frenzy while it lasts :p
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Ooh, ooh, mystery box!
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> What interests you?
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Market? 'Stored' items?
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> initial 'equip troops' ui?
20:36 <@SupSuper> anything that doesn't make me hit a brick wall :p
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, not sure if I can help you then...
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Reimplement my pathfinding with something that doesn't suck?
20:37 <@SupSuper> oh god :p
20:37 <@SupSuper> 'stored' items might be a good one. we're gonna need items for everything else anyways... and i can dick around with market screens even though we don't have any market data
20:37 <@SupSuper> in openxcom stores were basically just a map. do we need anything more advanced?
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> map<StateRef<StoredItemType>, int> would probably be fine?
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> StoredItemType would then ahve a StateRef<> to whatever type it instanciates as when taken out of stores (ie VEquipment / AgentEquipment (or something))
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> plus maybe a 'store size'?
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess the market would also act on the StoredItemType?
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe even merge it with alien corpeses?
20:40 <@SupSuper> openxcom just had an all-encompassing ItemType blob :p not sure that's worth repeating
20:40 <@SupSuper> but we'd have to figure out how to best break it down
20:41 <@SupSuper> i mean, modders *do* like items that can simultaneously be a waypoint explosive flaming scanning stat boosting medkit, but
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> ItemType with an enum type { VehicleEquipment, AgentEquipment, (Ammo?), AlienContainmentItem}
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> with a StateREf<AgentEquipment>, StateRef<VEquipment>, StateRef<Ammo?>, StateRef<AlienContainmentItem>?
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> only one of which (corresponding to the type) is non-null?
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Possibly if I merge in my autogenerated GameState (or just do the same manually with the current system) it won't emit xml 'default' values
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> which means lots of fields wouldn't bloat the save
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> short term I'll probably fixup research
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> then start cleaning a few of the issues we've accumulated in the city
21:34 <@SupSuper> i think i'm gonna start cleaning stuff up before tackling items as well
21:34 <@SupSuper> maybe in the meantime we'll get more sweet deets :p
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21:49 <@JonnyH`Work> deets?
21:55 <@SupSuper> details
22:03 <@SupSuper> what happened to Alien Building 4?
22:04 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
22:06 <@SupSuper> in the research list there's no Alien Building 4. mia? :p
22:06 <@SupSuper> or maybe that's the one without a number. just to mess with you
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22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> didn't I add the numbers to make the IDs unique?
22:40  * SupSuper shrugs
22:43 <@SupSuper> i like the mystery
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22:59 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SupSuper pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vwG0g
22:59 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 77bd7d7 SupSuper: Show base names
22:59 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 73417e0 SupSuper: Restore minibase facility highlighting
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23:02 <@SupSuper> slowly putting back the features i left commented :p
23:14 <@JonnyH`Work> One of these years I'll search for some of the FIXME/TODOs I leave scattered in my wake
23:14 <@SupSuper> i think we're getting to the point some TODOs aren't even TODOs anymore...
23:28 <@SupSuper> hmmm where do we hide all our sdl calls? in framework?
23:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I think so
23:29 <@JonnyH`Work> framework.cpp is the only thing to reference any sdl calls (outside the sdl audio backend)
23:30 <@JonnyH`Work> SwapBuffers() should probably be pushed to the renderer though...
23:30 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe GL Context init too
23:30 <@JonnyH`Work> as they are kinda renderer specific - sfalexrog had to do a bit of hackery there to get gles working, which really should just be owned by the backend...
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23:52 <@SupSuper> for fun i decided to implement sdl text events
23:52 <@SupSuper> then i realized our textedits are broken...
23:54 <@SupSuper> because they get both focused and defocused in one go
23:56 <@JonnyH`Work> huh
23:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Real Men enter text with a debugger
23:56 <@SupSuper> probably another casualty of our event efforts :p
23:56 <@JonnyH`Work> probably...
23:57 <@SupSuper> the textedit raises a mouseclick event, so it goes "yay i'm focused!". but then everything else behind it also raises a mouseclick event, so the textedit thinks "oh no i'm defocused!". and nothing happens
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00:04 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, that old chestnut...
00:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I think someone needs to sit down and decide how we expect control trees to generate events
00:05 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than the inconsistent mess we have now...
00:06 <@JonnyH`Work> "someone" == "not me" :P
00:15 <@SupSuper> i'll sleep on it :P
00:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Night, I'm off home now too
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00:23 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 80046bb SupSuper: Format
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19:08 <@JonnyH> hey sup
19:08 <@JonnyH> I less than three valgrind :D
19:08 <@JonnyH> just solved an issue our whole team have spent the best part of a week on in 5 mins..
19:10 < SupSuper> :o
19:12 <@JonnyH> It's great, I get to take credit for someone elses hard work :)
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07:43 < kkmic> Mornin'
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14:24 < kkmic> Hi JonnyH
14:24 <@JonnyH> hi there kkmic 
14:24 < kkmic> What's cooking? :)
14:24 <@JonnyH> Not a lot
14:24 <@JonnyH> Doing all kinda of weird experiments to try to get introspection working in the GameState
14:25 <@JonnyH> so I can 'generate' the serialization passes / modify at runtime / incorporate into a proper gui editor...
14:25 < kkmic> Can't help you there I'm afraid...
14:25 <@JonnyH> Might have to run things past supsuper and pmprog...
14:25 <@JonnyH> I have a few solutions, none of them 'good'....
14:25 < kkmic> No C++ skills at all
14:26 < kkmic> Thou I can take a look at the end result and say that you did it wrong :p
14:26 < kkmic> *Though
14:26 < kkmic> j/k
14:26 <@JonnyH> The 'easiest' way might just be to write a little tool that generates the GameState
14:26 <@JonnyH> ending up with no 'weird' c++ at all...
14:27 < kkmic> I appreciate the effort you guys are putting into this project
14:27 <@JonnyH> but instead an extra build step/more complexity...
14:27 < kkmic> Wait... why generate the GameState?
14:27 <@JonnyH> I kinda started this as much as "Learn 'Modern' C++" as "Create Playable Game"
14:27 < kkmic> I mean, you need to rewrite the code based on something else?
14:28 <@JonnyH> if we generate the gamestate, the same 'source' we generate it from can be used to generate other things (like introspection lookup tables, serialization in/out code etc.)
14:28 <@JonnyH> currently if we add a new thing to the gamestate, you /also/ have to add it to the serializeIn code, and the serializeOut code, and (maybe soon) the editor
14:28 <@JonnyH> I've already hit a few bugs where I forgot one :P
14:29 < kkmic> Hm...
14:30 <@JonnyH> and it'll need a lot of changes from it's current state for the editor stuff too..
14:30 <@JonnyH> And I want to change it so we can save 'relative' GameState patches too...
14:30 < kkmic> Pardon my C++, but that sounds kinda bad
14:30 <@JonnyH> rather than having the "WHOLE COPY OF EVERYTHING" - again necessary for a 'sane' editor
14:31 < kkmic> Why is there a serialize/unserialize procedure? What is it needed for?
14:32 <@JonnyH> We use it for both game sves
14:32 <@JonnyH> *saves
14:32 <@JonnyH> and the 'initial' state is loaded from it (Like the starting city, the vehicle 'types' you can buy, the research tree etc... IE Everything)
14:32 <@JonnyH> and the 'relative' stuff is used for mods
14:33 <@JonnyH> so you can have a mod that when loaded changes some of the initial state
14:33 < kkmic> Hmm...
14:35 < kkmic> I see the benefit, and I do understand that you need to define a "baseline" state for the game and then update it as requested by a  mod... but... maybe I'm not following you
14:36 <@JonnyH> We also use the 'baseline' + 'modifier' to add some openapoc-specific data
14:36 <@JonnyH> that doesn't have a direct map (or we haven't figured one out) from the original's data files
14:37 <@JonnyH> plus 'patches' - like glitched maps - we just fix the issue instead of having a 'whole new map'
14:37 <@JonnyH> I'm happy with the layout of that
14:37 <@JonnyH> It's just the code that implements it could be cleaned up
14:38 < kkmic> I see
14:38 < kkmic> Actually, I lied... but I do trust your judgement :)
14:39 <@JonnyH> well, that's worrying
14:39 <@JonnyH> Nobody should trust me...
14:40 < kkmic> I'm not in a position to effectively judge your actions, either
14:41 < kkmic> So the only logical thing is to trust you
14:41 < kkmic> Live long and prosper!
14:41 < kkmic> :p
14:41 <@JonnyH> Clearly making things appear confusing is advantageous in me getting my way
14:42 < kkmic> That's true from ancient times
14:42 <@JonnyH> I suspect that explains a lot in software engineering :P
14:43 < kkmic> Oh yeah, I always like when the expression "our specialists" is used by any kind of corporate figure... and if you get the chance to actually meet the said specialists....
14:44 < kkmic> Hilarity ensues
14:44 <@JonnyH> They've probably been told not to contradict their bos
14:44 <@JonnyH> despite the things they're saying are insane
14:44 <@JonnyH> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg
14:44 <@JonnyH> worryingly accurate at times
14:45 < kkmic> I know the sketch... from when I worked for a company where things were just like that...
14:46 <@JonnyH> Thankfully, we're pretty much still run by engineers
14:46 <@JonnyH> and we effectively sell to other engineers, which makes things easier :P
14:46 <@JonnyH> but I've heard some horror stories...
14:48 < kkmic> I lived them :)
14:48 <@JonnyH> I get the impression I've been lucky
14:48 <@JonnyH> Went back to see some mates from my uni course last christmas
14:48 < kkmic> I was pretty close to the "red line expert" position in the sketch
14:48 <@JonnyH> and got the impression I had one of the better experiences :)
14:49 < kkmic> :)
14:49 <@JonnyH> I decide my own priorities, I decide my own design, and I can see it actually being useful in the real world
14:49 <@JonnyH> One was moaning how pretty much since he left uni (~5 years) he's not 'finished' a single released thing :P
14:49 < kkmic> Sounds like you're your own boss
14:50 <@JonnyH> Technically, pretty much
14:50 < kkmic> Nice
14:50 < kkmic> Congrats then
14:50 <@JonnyH> Even the other side of the world from the 'rest' of the team
14:53 <@JonnyH> but I've always 'owned' my code since I started here (first job out of uni) - so I seem to have skipped the 'junior' dev step :P)
14:54 <@JonnyH> the problem is I guess C / kernel / driver level stuff seems 'uncool' at the minute
14:55 <@JonnyH> they're being taught less at schools etc. so it's really difficult to find new people...
14:55 <@JonnyH> Or job security, as I call it :P
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15:01 < kkmic> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikipedia_to_the_Moon
15:09 < Pawlac> That is a great way to get the planet annihilated
15:16 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus the only reason we haven't been annhilated by the rabbits on the moon is their lack of wikipedia access...?
15:19 < Pawlac> No I meant that I dislike that there is some certain people who doesn't even think about that there are hostile aliens out there
15:20 <@JonnyH`Work> If they can get to us, we're kinda f**cked anyway
15:20 <@JonnyH`Work> The chance of meeting an alien race at a similar technilogical stage to ourselves is pretty much nill
15:20 <@JonnyH`Work> It'll be a curbstomp by *someone* if there's a fight
15:22 < Pawlac> right
15:22 < Pawlac> "we" don't even have proper space flight technologies and the current one out there is only suitable for only uh 1 galaxy? or whatever the hell 'Sol' is grouped into
15:23 <@JonnyH`Work> solar system?
15:24 < Pawlac> ah yes
15:24 <@JonnyH`Work> We can't even get a human out of our own gravity well :P
15:26 < Pawlac> yep or any sustaining system that can last for months or years
15:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm really pro space travel for the exploration/driving development standpoint
15:27 <@JonnyH`Work> But stuff like 'colonising mars' is a solution to zero problems :P
15:28 < Pawlac> mhm I think colonization to other planets needs to be developed. Hanging all the time on a single planet is just asking for trouble.
15:28 < Pawlac> It is a wonder that Humanity could last extremely amount of years so far
15:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm sure humanity will survive pretty much anything
15:29 <@JonnyH`Work> A good part of the population? Current society? Not so much
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16:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Huh, hard difficulty deadlocks...
16:25 <@JonnyH`Work> In trying to init the starting base? Maybe it's got into a state where it cannot place the facilities?
16:55 < Skin36_> whom question?
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17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Talking to myself as much as anything
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> And if supsuper arrives later it'll be in the irc history
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17:16 < SolariusScorch> ...I was speaking too soon.
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> were you?
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> what about?
17:16 < SolariusScorch> That I'm here. Since my net just died.
17:16 < SolariusScorch> whatever :P
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> There's still a phanton Solarius hanging around
17:17 < Skin36_>  :)
17:17 < SolariusScorch> Sure, I'm the good spirit of this project
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17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh no, the sprit of this project left
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, I guess I should pack it in then
17:19 < SolariusScorch> WTF is happening
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Guess whatever server you happened to connect to previously died?
17:20 < SolariusScorch> Yeah. I'm not promising anything today :P
17:20 < SolariusScorch> But even if you can't see me, I'm always nearby!
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> freenode has had a fair number of issues recently...
17:20  * JonnyH`Work checks behind him
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17:22 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6c47ce5 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix livelock in 'hard' difficulty Base::startingBase...
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17:22 < SolariusScorch> ...great, we have a droid too.
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Damn pest robots...
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18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper 
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I tweaked the Base::startingBase() stuff a bit
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> as it was livelocking on 'hard' difficuty for me
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> as it happened to place facilities on such a way there were no free 2x2 blocks for the vehicle repair bay
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> so I made it place large facilities first
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> then small
18:07 < SupSuper> i thought it already did that :S
18:07 < SupSuper> ah well
18:07 < SupSuper> thanks
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> and I might move forward with a 'generated' gamestate
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> as generating stuff like the serializeIn & Out/reflection table at the same time would be nice...
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect I'm re-implementing something like protocol buffers...
18:11 < SupSuper> probably :p
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> compile-time reflection could also be used
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> but unless I do something crazy with libclang
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> or another 'object file' tooling thing
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> the templates etc. necessary make it really nasty
18:19 < SupSuper> how bad can you make those compile times :p
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> #include <boost/hana.hpp?
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> If you ever wanted an aneurism look at that
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH the generated source will likely be a _lot_ faster
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's the template expansion and instantiation that normally kills it
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> and it's not needed at all if it's generated...
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22:49 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7e471c0 SupSuper: Add text events
22:49 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 60fbceb SupSuper: Restore Windows git versioning
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22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Oops, I only restored git versioning in my msvc2015 branch... :(
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18:24 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: this might come in handy: http://libsmacker.sourceforge.net/
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> interesting...
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18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> seems to decode the intro correctly at least
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> a/v sync might be fun :)
18:51 < SupSuper> ain't it always :p
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21:03 < Think> No promises on that though
21:04 < Think> Just got through the most boring meeting ever.
21:04 < Think> And I may be back.
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> wrong chat window Think ?
21:05 < Think> I just love 99 slide power point presentations
21:05 < Solarius> It's a good thing we weren't at this meeting lol
21:05 < Think> Yes, very good
21:05 < Think> It might still be going on
21:06 < Think> but I will retire before it is over
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16:25 <@JonnyH> Any idea how large the average 'audio' buffer is these days?
16:25 <@JonnyH> As in is it larger thanthe time a video frame is displayed for?
16:30 < SupSuper> i think it's usually 4096 samples? whatever that means
16:31 <@JonnyH> 4096 samples @ 22050hz == a fair few frames... :(
16:33 < SupSuper> yeah i don't think you can expect to just feed one frame to each buffer and hope for the best, specially given multithread-syncing, even though you can customize it
16:34 <@JonnyH> I was hoping to use the music thread to synchronise with the current frame...
16:34 < SupSuper> maybe libsmacker already does some syncing?
16:34 < SupSuper> if you're feeling brave you can always check our player: https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/src/Engine/FlcPlayer.cpp
16:34 <@JonnyH> nope, it literally gives you "Here's a bag of bits for the frame & audio"
16:36 <@JonnyH> SL_Delay(1) holy batman
16:38 < SupSuper> SDL_Delay(1) is basically code for "let the other threads have a go"
16:38 < SupSuper> i doubt it can actually sleep for 1ms :p
16:41 <@JonnyH> 1ms is a large time on desktop :)
16:44 < SupSuper> if i had to guess you wanna keep feeding the audio buffer continuously and then try to keep the video frames in sync accordingly, as audio gaps are much more noticable and it plays at a much faster ratio than the video
16:46 <@JonnyH> That was my plan, try to use the 'time since last frame' to progress to the video frames
16:46 <@JonnyH> but re-align it if necessary every time we update the audio buffer
16:47 <@JonnyH> I could tweak my audiobackend a bit to allow tunable buffering
16:48 < SupSuper> are you using sdl for audio?
16:48 <@JonnyH> yup
16:48 <@JonnyH> but not sdl_mixer
16:49 <@JonnyH> 'caus we're all a little mad here
16:49 < SupSuper> :p
16:49 <@JonnyH> TBH I can't remember why we don't...
16:49 < SupSuper> well most of your audio formats are custom
16:49 <@JonnyH> I think it was reworked by sfalexrog for android? Maybe that was why?
16:49 < SupSuper> well sdl lets you customize the buffer but no guarantees you'll get what you want: https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL_AudioSpec
16:50 <@JonnyH> Naa, 22050 uint8/sint16 are pretty common
16:50 < SupSuper> and you can feed audio either via callback or manual pushing
16:50 <@JonnyH> so you *have* to fill the buffer every callback?
16:50 <@JonnyH> I guess so, as there's no return value from the callback...
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16:52 < SupSuper> yup
16:53 < SupSuper> if you use SDL_QueueAudio instead you have control over the length but then you gotta make sure you never let the buffer starve
16:53 < SupSuper> https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL_QueueAudio
16:54 <@JonnyH> but with no callback I'm in charge of the timings already
16:54 <@JonnyH> which I'm trying to avoid :)
17:04 <@JonnyH> Meh, not going to get anything more done today
17:04 <@JonnyH> See you o7
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17:04 < SupSuper> cya
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20:21 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6e7dc0a SupSuper: Move Base Select screen to its own Stage derived from TileView
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17:45 < SupSuper> hey JonnyH
17:46 <@JonnyH> hey
18:02 < SupSuper> turns out making a new Stage derived from TileView worked out better than expected
18:02 <@JonnyH> huh, cool
18:02 <@JonnyH> That was kinda the point of inheriting TileView
18:02 <@JonnyH> nice to know it (almost) works :)
18:02 < SupSuper> there definitely is some stuff that should be moved up to TileView though (or down to CityView :p)
18:03 < SupSuper> for example the base selection isn't concerned with rendering vehicles and the like
18:04 <@JonnyH> Are they not still shown though?
18:10 < SupSuper> nope, only gates: http://puu.sh/ouaKC/65da851d44.png
18:11 <@JonnyH> seems like a rather odd thing to stop...
18:11 < SupSuper> i guess they don't want the clutter
18:12 < SupSuper> well if you reuse the TileView for the battlescape you won't have those either :p
18:12 <@JonnyH> But there will be differen TileObjects..
18:12 <@JonnyH> I didn't want to 'special case' any...
18:14 < SupSuper> ah
18:14 < SupSuper> some kind of visibility filter maybe?
18:14 <@JonnyH> I already have a set of 'types' trying to work around the weird draw order
18:15 <@JonnyH> having a set of 'types' to draw / ignore wouldn't be the end of the workd...
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01:37 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 48a7965 SupSuper: Restore facility build time
01:37 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e6c02d2 SupSuper: Gitignore and format
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16:51 < Skin36_> hi
16:51 <@JonnyH> hey
16:52 < Skin36_> whats new
16:52 <@JonnyH> not a lot
16:52 <@JonnyH> been busy the last week...
16:52 <@JonnyH> got some initial work in generating the gamestate (mainly to help with an editor)
16:53 <@JonnyH> and the .smk (intro video) player
16:53 <@JonnyH> nothing apoc reverse-enginnering related...
16:54 < SupSuper> i've mostly been finalizing the base building loose ends
16:54 < Skin36_> I make one more step in reversing- compiled function
16:59 <@JonnyH> Oh, and if anyone sees sfalexrog I've got a work-in-progress OGL3.1/GLES3 renderer to fixup a lot of the batching issues
17:01 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: http://openxcom.org/bugs/openxcom/issues/1217
17:02 <@JonnyH> I hope you don't mind me poking openxcom bugs...
17:02 <@JonnyH> I guess 'no tile' == mod issue?
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17:07 < SupSuper> that's what we thought, but it seems to be happening to a bunch of people so Warboy is looking into it
17:07 < SupSuper> might be something broken in the latest death routine fix
17:08 <@JonnyH`Work> no tile at 'z==0' is broken anyway right?
17:18 < SupSuper> maybe they're falling through the floor :p
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I have that problem in openapoc - not all tiles 'fill' their voxel maps
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> so stuff can leak through the floor...
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> normally visible by the shadow disappearing, as I currently use that to try to get the shadow 'height'...
17:25 < SupSuper> need a min huh :p
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I tried clamping it on z=0, but that looked weird as the shadow 'dropped' down the hole and popped back up again...
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe giving it a 'width' would be a better idea
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's less likely to fall down cracks
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18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Huh, somewhere along the line I seem to have broken core opengl contexts in the gl30 renderer..
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> aah... VAOs...
18:39 < SupSuper> where's the vulkan backend :p
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm currently ripping it apart for the 3.1 backend
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> as 99% of the 'layout' is the same
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> it seemed about as much work to move to gl with the azdo-like flow
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> as move to the actual released version of vulkan
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> and give the majority of the benefit...
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13:58 < kkmic> Hi JonnyH
14:01 <@JonnyH> hey
14:12 < kkmic> How are things?
14:12 <@JonnyH> Alright I guess :P
14:12 <@JonnyH> Having 'fun' with more 3d graphics stuff right now
14:12 <@JonnyH> Maybe not the most 'efficient' use of my time on openapoc
14:12 <@JonnyH> but it's fun (which is the whole point of a side-project :)
14:16 < kkmic> 3D?
14:17 < kkmic> Cityscape?
14:50 <@JonnyH> Yeah :P
14:50 <@JonnyH> Trying to reduce the number of render calls it takes
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21:28 < SupSuper> cfun c++ fact: apparently what headers you actually need to include don't just change from compiler to compiler, but from standard to standard as well!
21:28 < SupSuper> how does this happen
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I can see stuff like <memory> not being included the the c++03 standard library...
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18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Hey SupSuper 
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> What gpu do you have?
18:31 < SupSuper> heya
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> And does it have GL_ARB_ES3_compatibility ?
18:32 < SupSuper> probably?
18:32 < SupSuper> i have a geforce gtx 760
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> I'd guess a 760 wouldd..
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> I want people with old decrepid gfx cards
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> I want to see if they implement new extensions (even if they require no 'new' features)
18:32 < SupSuper> damn
18:32 < SupSuper> maybe ask in #openxcom? :p
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> ...I might just replace the gl3/'new' gl3.3 renderer with an es3 renderer then
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> the gl2 one will stay as a fallback (but it's already like a fraction of the speed...)
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18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Hopefully the better batching will give a better speedup
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> and when we move to sprite-based projectiles it'll be even better (as currently each is a hard flush to the batching code)
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04:29 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vwiK2
04:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 449eeef Jonathan Hamilton: Add --load-save and --frame-limit options...
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17:56 < Skin36> hi
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> hey Skin36 
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> How's it going?
17:59 < Skin36> good
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I noticed kammerer put an updated smallfont on the forums too, hopefully soon I'll integrate that and enable more glyphs for more languages :)
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> And I have a work-in-progress that marks which strings are 'translateable' in the xml, to auto-generate the .pot files
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> And I'm currently working on a (much) faster renderer
18:02 < Skin36> I found out how to generate vehicles for organizations
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> and it'll be even faster when I move to sprite-based weapon projectiles (as it'll allow even more batching)
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, cool :D
18:03 < Skin36> its so intresting
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> (Make sure you write it on the forums, I'm meant to be working now :P )
18:04 < Skin36> By the way the number of veh depends on money and relationships with other organizations.
18:06 < Skin36> I want to write more about this on forum
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18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Hi SupSuper 
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I managed to somehow get the GLES3 compatibility extension working under windows
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Even the intel driver :D
18:12 < SupSuper> :o
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> (I also played around with explicit multi-adaptor on linux - but that's kinda overkill for us :)
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19:48 < pmprog> Morning
19:48 < SupSuper> hey
19:48 < pmprog> Hey SupSuper, how's things?
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19:49 < SupSuper> work is very blah :p
19:49 < SupSuper> is there such a thing as non-blah work? the mind wonders
19:50 < pmprog> I don't know... My work occasionally has good streaks, then it goes to pot
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, it's been 'kinda meh' here too
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Not work wise - technically it's still interesting
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> but I've not got a visa this year either
19:50 < pmprog> They didn't sort it out for you?
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> so I might end up having to leave the country next year
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> They tried, but due to the clusterf**ck the us visa system is
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> there's like a ~20% chance of getting opne
19:52 < pmprog> Well, I hope you do get it sorted
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> To be honest, I don't think I can plan for my future here with just a ~20 chance of staying...
19:53 < SupSuper> nasty
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> The visa type we *should* have used (L 'Intracompany transfer' - IE what we actually did)
19:53 < pmprog> How many of you over there are "native"?
19:53 < SupSuper> i've considered relocating but companies seem to be super foggy on how much relocation support they provide
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> doesn't have the same restrictions
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> but somehow HR screwed up and made us ineligable for that through a technicality
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> which I was pretty pissed off about, as it kinda looks like they went out of their way to do something weird that caused that...
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> The paranoid nut in me suspects the person who did that did so intentionally
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> as they personally wanted to do the same thing but were rejected by their boss
19:55 < pmprog> You think they might wrap up the American branch?
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> and have since 'left' the company quickly & quietly, with no severence package
19:56 < pmprog> ah
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> We have a whole division out there, so they won't stop it completely
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> but they might 'review' the ~3 people in our team we have out there
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Annoyingly, 1 of us got a visa - it's the guy that came over last year, not the 2 of us who've been here for ~3.5 years
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> whose 'current' visa doesn't expire next year...
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway.. nothing I can do
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> (Which is even more annoying TBH)
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't even look for another job at this point...
19:59 < pmprog> Sounds a bit of a bummer
19:59 < pmprog> I've been talking to a mate, and we're thinking about trying to make a commercial indie game
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Heh, I'm tempted to do something similar
20:00 < SupSuper> god speed
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I've got enough savings that I can last a good few years doing my 'own' thing, even with no income
20:00 < SupSuper> i'm nowhere near as persuasive :p
20:00 < pmprog> I was going to keep my day job to see how it goes
20:00 < pmprog> But I was reading the Gunpoint developers blog
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think I'd want to do '100% my own game'
20:01 < pmprog> Why not?
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> But I'd like getting into the nitty-gritty of developing one
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I like playing with nerdy backends/frameworks/small efficiencies too much to see the 'bigger picture' on my own stuff
20:02 < SupSuper> how's that renderer coming :p
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> In the last 3 days I have:
20:02 < pmprog> Hehe, yeah, I kinda get stuck playing with my framework... But this project is going to be smaller than I usually plan
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Moved it from GL3.1 to GL3.3 to GLES3
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Found the GL wrapper I used is crazy and doesn't work, so wrote my own
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Things I have not done in the last few days:
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> - Made progress in completing the renderer's functionality
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> But hey, maybe I should release the wrapper :P
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Others might find it useful to use GLES on android/linux/windows :P
20:03 < SupSuper> i like doing games from scratch personally so i can get experience in every component of a game, but i definitely wouldn't do it on a commercial thing
20:03 < pmprog> Absolutely... I always think about including Android as a port of my games, but never get around to looking into how to build
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Kinda Nasty really :P
20:04 < pmprog> I keep opening a few game dev kits, but bizarrely, I find them confusing and don't really know where to start, so I go back to my C++/Allegro framework ;-)
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, 'frameworks' hide complexity
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> but it inevitably leaks in non-trivial ways...
20:06 < pmprog> Well, as you've seen, mine's more like a library of code really ;-)
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm a big fan of Libraries over Frameworks :P
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> That's *good*
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Honestly, you should be able to pull the Library/Framework/Forms directories out of openapoc and use them for something else
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> there's not much apoc-specific in them
20:07 < pmprog> Well, unless you've changed it even more than last I was aware, that's kinda what it was :-)
20:08 < pmprog> Even my current "build" one has the forms code though
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> 'our' modified forms, or your original?
20:08 < pmprog> My original... What have you been adding to the forms? Might be useful for me
20:09 < SupSuper> the form ui itself has been mostly the same... just adding/refactoring stuff
20:09 < SupSuper> we've run into trouble with events though :p
20:09 < pmprog> Oh? What trouble have you had?
20:10 < SupSuper> well we tried to have multiple forms in one stage
20:10 < SupSuper> which doesn't work so well since the event system is based on everything being in the same tree...
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> event callbacks, lots of List changes ('highlighted'/'changed' events with sp<void> data)
20:11 < SupSuper> in retrospect JonnyH`Work, we probably should've just used child controls wrapping the tabs instead of forms :p
20:11 < pmprog> Hmmm, should still be able to have multiple forms
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> the issue was overlapping forms IIRC
20:11 < SupSuper> pmprog: well the problem with multiple overlapping forms, is who wins the event
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> an event would be 'handled' by one even if there were no active controls under the event point
20:11 < pmprog> Did you check the e->Handled prior to sending it ot the next form?
20:12 < SupSuper> normally you award it to the childest control
20:12 < SupSuper> but if both forms have overlapping childest controls, who wins? there's no z-ordering...
20:12 < pmprog> Well, only the childest of the top-most form
20:12 < pmprog> Yeah, you have to manually handle z order on forms
20:12 < pmprog> inside forms, z order is catered for
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> It was something we 'could' have worked around, like carving up the shared forms to avoid overlapping
20:13 < pmprog> To be fair too, you've probably pushed the forms code a lot more than I have
20:13 < SupSuper> instead we made the event system sillier :p
20:13 < pmprog> :-)
20:13 < SupSuper> fix one thing, break another :)
20:13 < SupSuper> pmprog: well it's a lot better than openxcom's wild-west approach
20:14 < SupSuper> but at least there's no z-fighting, because i can just make shit up as necessary :p
20:14 < pmprog> That "forms" code was originally written for my attempt to write a version of Konquest (KDE game) so it could be run on the Pandora
20:14 < pmprog> and add a few features
20:15 < SupSuper> all approaches i've found just have a singular control tree, so we probably need to go back to that eventually...
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> The current event system doesn't do what I want
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Should I fix it?
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Nope! Instead I'll do a completely parallel path :P
20:15 < pmprog> Yeah, I remember mentioning your forms back when you were implementing it, but you dismissed me of overcomplicating (which to be fair, I probably was) :-)
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I think that was me looking at the xml
20:16 < SupSuper> well it is hairy
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think I've ever needed to change the forms without rebuilding the code being possible
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> and any non-trivial change requires code anyway...
20:16 < SupSuper> but apoc is a lot more "standardized controls" than ufo
20:16 < SupSuper> ufo pretty much needs bespoke artisinal functionality everywhere :p
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Hand-crafted games :P
20:17 < pmprog> Yeah, shame there's no easy way to export OpenApoc functions and make the XML point back into the program
20:17 < SupSuper> don't give JonnyH`Work ideas :D
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> We could do callbacks based on dlsym...
20:17 < pmprog> hehe, I'll stop ;-)
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Recently I wrote my own in-memory implementation of callbacks based on string symbol names
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> to workaround an android security feature :P
20:18 < pmprog> So you've already got a code base, amazing :-)
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Poking around in the linker's internal memory map of this program was 'fun'
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> was for work though, so might be license issues :P
20:20 < pmprog> Perhaps all the game rules should be compiled as a .dll/.so, and everything linked to the UI exec
20:20 < pmprog> You could have a "research.dll" which handles research loads etc.
20:20 < pmprog> And easy to wire up UIs to the exports :-D
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, I like the idea of 'accumulating up' rule state
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> and the interfaces to 'research.dll' would encode a lot of how it should work anyway
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> so might not be as flexible as you want
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> if you end up having to modify the interfacing code as well for much in-depth changes :P
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Though I was working on adding reflection information to the GameState
20:24 < pmprog> Yeah, I never really thought of it as a serious suggestion
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> so we can create a UI
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> for modifying it without resorting to xml-text-editors
20:24 < pmprog> How would you add reflection to C++? It's a feature I love in .NET
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably by generating the c++ using a tool
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> and also generating reflection metadata tables... :'(
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> AKA not in c++
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> (I was also looking into using the same 'source' to generate the serialization code, as having to update the 'same' thing in ~3 places is kinda annoying, and a clear source of bugs)
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> (Without some nasty macro/template stuff anyway)
20:29 < pmprog> Shame... I do loads of neat stuff with reflection at work
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> ..or some wrapper around clang or something to introspect the source...
20:30 < pmprog> Right, I better go. Take care everyone, see you next time
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> o/
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00:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Good news: The renderer is much faster
00:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Bad news: http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/openapoc-renderer-gone-wrong.mp4
00:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I've enabled shrooms-vision
00:17 < SupSuper> aaaaaaaaaaa
00:17 < SupSuper> ship it
00:17 <@JonnyH`Work> It is ~4x faster though..
00:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Is it worth everything shaking like that?
00:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I think so
00:17 < SupSuper> floating point errors?
00:19 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure...
00:20 < SupSuper> or some x/y mixup
00:20 < SupSuper> seems it's just the transforms that are messing up and not the actual positions?
00:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Just looks like the position, not the scale...
00:29 <@JonnyH`Work> no idea how that could happen...
00:31 < SupSuper> tiles are definitely getting squashed :p
00:31 < SupSuper> some mvm gone horribly wrong?
00:33 < SupSuper> yet the ground seems unharmed?
00:38 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/OpenApoc.trace_call_3119-1_0.png
00:38 <@JonnyH`Work> after draw 1
00:38 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/OpenApoc.trace_call_3130-1_0.png
00:38 <@JonnyH`Work> after draw 2
00:39 < SupSuper> huh
00:39 < SupSuper> might help to draw the region borders?
00:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure if the corners of the walls are 'another' bug?
00:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Disabling instancing fixes it...
00:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe one of my divisors is off..
00:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh wait, all my divisors are off....
00:41 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
00:41 < SupSuper> rip
00:41 < SupSuper> can't wait for you to push it and watch it break horribly on windows :p
00:43 <@JonnyH`Work> fixed :P
00:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I was using the wrong 'sprite size' for each
00:46 <@JonnyH`Work> From 36ms to 4ms
00:46 <@JonnyH`Work> that's a win, right?
00:47 < SupSuper> told ya it was transforms :p
00:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I was confused at it was changing 'every frame'
00:48 <@JonnyH`Work> but I guess the vehicles moving between tiles changed the 'order'
00:48 <@JonnyH`Work> and most of the tiles were of, as they tend to be the same size...
00:48 < SupSuper> ah
00:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm not using an mvp directly
00:48 <@JonnyH`Work> as calculating it would be high-cost for every tile
00:48 <@JonnyH`Work> and 16 floats is larger than 4 :P
00:49 <@JonnyH`Work> each sprite is now completely described in 40 bytes
00:49 <@JonnyH`Work> (Could probably be improved, having 32-bit precision there seems overkill... But I'll only worry about that if that's a bottlenecl)
00:50 < SupSuper> how many renderers can you open-source now
00:50 <@JonnyH`Work> errm... 6?
00:51 < SupSuper> maybe send them to sdl :p
00:51 <@JonnyH`Work> gl2, gl3, gl3.3, gles2, gles3, this 'new' gles3
00:51 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, maybe...
00:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess 'lots of 2d rects, optionally RGB/paletted' is kinda what sdl does...
00:52 <@JonnyH`Work> batching currently doesn't work for rotated sprites, but I can fix that if necessary...
00:52 < SupSuper> i don't think sdl does batching yet
00:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Form some reason I find those shakey-tiles weirdly entertaining...
00:53 < SupSuper> or at least not exposed to the user...
00:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe keep that for the blooper reel :P
00:53 < SupSuper> they are, aren't they
00:59 <@JonnyH`Work> So naturally it's like 50x slower on my windows intel laptop...
00:59 <@JonnyH`Work> *sigh*
01:00 < SupSuper> intel: gl? never heard of it!
01:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I might have to say "Intel is only supported on linux"
01:01 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus this is getting silly
01:02 < SupSuper> so like every other game developer :p
01:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe they have good reasons :P
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01:02 < SupSuper> i think it's usually "intel doesn't seems to acknowledge gl extensions most of the time"
01:03 <@JonnyH> It seems to support ES3_compatibility
01:03 <@JonnyH> But clearly not enough to make it usably performant
01:03 <@JonnyH> I'm kinda guessing they don't actually implement instance rendering
01:04 <@JonnyH> and their driver has a big 'for (int i = 0; i < count; i++) drawOne();' loop somewhere
01:04 < SupSuper> so wasteful, it should clearly be ++i
01:05 <@JonnyH> It'll be DCE'd...
01:05 <@JonnyH> Unless you're running on a compiler from the '80s
01:05 <@JonnyH> or 'msvc' as it's known
01:05 <@JonnyH> :P
01:05 <@JonnyH> (Actually, for many things the msvc optimising backend is very good...)
01:06 <@JonnyH> It's good we still have different renderers
01:06 <@JonnyH> I might do "if (GL_RENDERER=="intel windows driver") defaultRenderer = somethingDifferent
01:06 <@JonnyH> Or make it an option
01:07 <@JonnyH> gamers seem to love having lots of pointless tweakable options
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16:28 <@JonnyH> Apparently I can't do the simplist things in graphics anymore...
16:28 <@JonnyH> I did the 'hard' stuff, instancing the tiles so we can now draw the city in a single call
16:29 <@JonnyH> But drawing a solid coloured quad on screen? No luck...
16:31 < SupSuper> quads are deprecated, clearly
16:32 <@JonnyH> I mean just a 4-element triangle strip..
16:32 <@JonnyH> You know, exactly the same thing I currently use the for the sprites...
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20:35 <@JonnyH> Bah, I'm having 'one of those days'
20:35 <@JonnyH> Staring at the same thing for hours wondering wtf it doesn't work...
20:37 <@JonnyH> And naturally the second I say that I figure out what's going on..
20:41 < SupSuper> maybe it's time for another video to get your mind off coding :p
20:42 <@JonnyH> :P
20:42 <@JonnyH> You mean like the one I said I'd do january?
20:42 <@JonnyH> Or the one I said I'd do in february?
20:42 < SupSuper> just call it a belated happy new year ;)
20:43 <@JonnyH> I might be able to do a 'happy new year' one by the end of december
20:43 <@JonnyH> Unfortunately, it'll be for 2015
20:51 <@JonnyH> Anyway, my gles3 renderer seems to work now... :D
20:52 <@JonnyH> Feel like giving it a go and seeing if it improves anything for you?
20:53 <@JonnyH> (Though on a desktop gfx card you probably weren't renderer limited anyway...)
20:56 < SupSuper> which branch is it
20:57 <@JonnyH> WIP/gles3
20:57 <@JonnyH> the head of that should work
20:57 <@JonnyH> (though I've been regularly rebasing it - make sure you have b239050d2)
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21:38 < SupSuper> it just crashes for me :p
21:38 <@JonnyH> oh poo...
21:38 < SupSuper> at std::string extension_list = reinterpret_cast<const char *>(LocalGetString(EXTENSIONS));
21:39 <@JonnyH> hmm... I guess that means your driver doesn't support wglGetProcAddr("glString")
21:40 <@JonnyH> ..actually, what version of windows are you testing on?
21:40 <@JonnyH> I /think/ that might be even before the driver
21:42 < SupSuper> windows 10
21:42 < SupSuper> Exception thrown at 0x00000000 in OpenApoc.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation executing location 0x00000000.
21:42 <@JonnyH> huh, my windows 10 w/intel works OK
21:42 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I guess it's caus wglGetProcAddress is returning null
21:43 <@JonnyH> oh, wait...
21:43 <@JonnyH> wglGetProcAddress​ will not return function pointers from any OpenGL functions that are directly exported by the OpenGL32.DLL​ itself. This means the old ones from OpenGL version 1.1.
21:43 <@JonnyH> what sort of weird restriction is that?
21:43 <@JonnyH> So I magically have to know if a function pointer was exported before 1.1 or not?
21:44 <@JonnyH> Time to implement some weird LoadLibrary/GetProcAddress wrapper..
21:47 < SupSuper> you just don't like windows :p
21:47 <@JonnyH> Please correct me if there's something I'm missing here, but /why/?
21:47 <@JonnyH> Why have 2 ways of getting functions, split by a rather arbitrary difference?
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21:59 <@JonnyH> Right, pushed a fix
21:59 <@JonnyH> It should also work if you happen to directly link against libGLESv2 on windows too
21:59 <@JonnyH> Not sure if that's a thing though
21:59 <@JonnyH> Or use egl
22:06 < SupSuper> well it works :p
22:06 <@JonnyH> Good :)
22:07 <@JonnyH> Is it actually being used?
22:07 < SupSuper> how can i tell
22:07 <@JonnyH> in the log should be "Using renderer: something" from Display_Initialise
22:15 < SupSuper> failed to find es3-compatible device
22:15 <@JonnyH> So I guess you don't have ES3_compatibility extension?
22:18 < SupSuper> how do i find out :p
22:21 <@JonnyH> errm... an extension viewer?
22:21 <@JonnyH> Or pull again, I've added it to the logs
22:26 < SupSuper> i don't see anything in the log
22:27 <@JonnyH> errm...
22:27 < SupSuper> I 209023100 bool __cdecl gles_wrap::gles3::supported(bool,class std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >): No "glGetString" symbol found
22:27 < SupSuper> I 209023100 bool __cdecl gles_wrap::gles3::supported(bool,class std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >): No "glGetString" symbol found
22:27 < SupSuper> W 209023100 class OpenApoc::Renderer *__thiscall OpenApoc::`anonymous-namespace'::OGLES30RendererFactory::create(void): Failed to find ES3-compatible device
22:27 < SupSuper> I 210023200 void __thiscall OpenApoc::Framework::Display_Initialise(void): Renderer "GLES_3_0" failed to init
22:27 <@JonnyH> "no glGetString symbol found" is bad
22:27 <@JonnyH> It means... I don't know what it means
22:27 < SupSuper> i wonder if it's always been like this and i never noticed :p
22:28 <@JonnyH> oh, wait...
22:28 <@JonnyH> dumb typo :P
22:29 <@JonnyH> try again
22:29 < SupSuper> btw why not use the SDL_GL functions?
22:29 <@JonnyH> 'caus they don't have the GLES symbols
22:32 < SupSuper> I 353011900 void __thiscall OpenApoc::Framework::Display_Initialise(void): Using renderer: GLES30 Renderer
22:33 <@JonnyH> good stuff :D
22:34 <@JonnyH> It's weird that my laptop would behave completely differently to yours for wglGetProcAddress
22:35 <@JonnyH> I know the spec for wglGetProcAddress says it doesn't work for gl-1.1 and below functions
22:36 < SupSuper> well, it seems to work. can't tell if it's any faster. antialiasing is gone though
22:36 <@JonnyH> Oh, I disabled linear blend trying to fix something.... brb
22:49 < SupSuper> is there anyway to switch between renderers in code?
22:50 <@JonnyH> change the default in openapoc.cfg?
22:50 <@JonnyH> IT's an ordered ':' separated list
22:51 <@JonnyH> or run with ./OpenApoc Visual.Renderers=GL_3_0
22:51 < SupSuper> yeah just brings up the uncomfortable question of "where's openapoc.cfg" :p
22:54 < SupSuper> oh it's vsynced anyways
22:56 <@JonnyH> Right, *actually* fixed linear sampling now :)
23:01 <@JonnyH> At least my *speed machine* radeon 250x is vsync limited at 3840x1200
23:01 < SupSuper> you sure about that?
23:02 <@JonnyH> Yes
23:02 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/oCWw3/4962012a52.png
23:02 <@JonnyH> hmm... maybe it doesn't have a LOD default
23:07 <@JonnyH> maybe fixed?
23:10 < SupSuper> nope
23:10 <@JonnyH> :(
23:11 <@JonnyH> Oh, wait, pushed the wrong head...
23:11 <@JonnyH> Give me a second to kill that commit :)
23:11 <@JonnyH> fetch again (you'll probably need to reset)
23:12 <@JonnyH> Apparently, "), 0)" is not the same as ", 0))"
23:12 <@JonnyH> Who'd have thought?
23:12 < SupSuper> how the hell does all of this work on your end :p
23:13 <@JonnyH> 'caus the vec2() constructor has a vec3() speciailisation?
23:13 <@JonnyH> so vec2(some_vec_2, 0)  ends up as vec2(vec3(some_vec_2.x, some_vec_2.y, 0))
23:14 < SupSuper> now it's a different unexpected :p
23:14 <@JonnyH> *sigh*
23:15 < SupSuper> next line needs a lod too?
23:15 <@JonnyH> wait.. how the hell does this work for me?
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23:16 < SupSuper> i think your gpu is just lying to you :p
23:16 <@JonnyH> there's an extra 0 on the next line...
23:17 <@JonnyH> how does that even parse?
23:18  * JonnyH checks he's actually building the right thing...
23:18 <@JonnyH> fix for that pushed, but I somewhat doubt my own 'testing' right now..
23:23 <@JonnyH> I'm dropping one frame in every six at 4k...
23:23 <@JonnyH> That gives what, 50fps? Not bad
23:23 < SupSuper> ok it runs again. seems to antialias now. something off with button rendering now, but that always seems to happen :p
23:24 <@JonnyH> button rendering? any chance you can screenshot that
23:28 < SupSuper> before: http://puu.sh/oCY1P/8b6dcceb37.png after: http://puu.sh/oCY6t/392dd28189.jpg
23:29 < SupSuper> your pesky quads again?
23:29 <@JonnyH> Yeah, looks like the button is being drawn ~2px too high?
23:30 < SupSuper> yeah the inner rects seem to be 1-2px off
23:30 < SupSuper> but enough pixel pushing for today, i got work tomorrow :p g'night
23:30 <@JonnyH> night
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18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Hey SupSuper
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I merged GLES3 :P
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> So good luck...
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> And fixed a few 'minor' issues too (like landing being b0rked, missing SceneryTile draw offset, 'excessive' CPU use in the vehicle::update loop)
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Now back to breaking everything again :D
18:31 < SupSuper> woohoo!
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> I need to poke sfalexrog to test it on an android device too...
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, I also made the ufopaedia background 'lazily' loaded
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> as a few hundred 640x480 .pcx images was like 60% of the 'loading' time...
18:34 < Skin36>  :)
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18:50 < SupSuper> well, it works :p
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> On one of my many computers (intel skylake gfx) I get weird halos around some sprites
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it's setup the filtering wrong, as we're getting pixels from the 'next' sprite at the edges
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll have to look into that...
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Hopefully I won't have to 'pad' the sprites, but it's one possible solution
18:52 < SupSuper> the old sprite bleeding?
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> using texelFetch *should* avoid that
18:53 < SupSuper> i think that's always been an issue if you're spritesheeting them
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> but clearly it doesn't...
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> (at the cost of no filtering, you're literally asking for an exact integer pixel coord)
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I might do the padding anyway to allow linear scaling while still using the spritesheet path...
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19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Are there any more 'small annoyances' you can think of I should fix before working on the next break-everything rework? :P
20:03 < SupSuper> *shrug*
20:03 < SupSuper> how easy would it be to put the event system back the way it was? :p
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> 'was'? When?
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20:08 < SupSuper> before you rewrote it
20:09 < SupSuper> but i guess that's not a "small annoyance" :p
20:13 < SupSuper> so either way you're good to go. i think i'm just gonna add more ui crap :p and maybe make sure all the old ui screens are using the new stuff as well
20:19 < SupSuper> also, FlowControl: yay/nay?
20:19 < SupSuper> i.e. a container that automatically places controls next to each other
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20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> A columnating control would be nice
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I 'manually' did 2 columns in the research screen
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> so if that's what you're thinking of that's another user
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20:30 < SupSuper> i was thinking of all the labelled images, but columns would work too, just set their size in advance
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Or all the Controls places in there have the same width, which is total_size/2?
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> but a 1d version would be nice for paired control, as you said
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Like the checkbox/label in the options screen too
20:45 < SupSuper> also for some reason i uncovered another part of master of magic formats in a dream
20:45 < SupSuper> i think i have a problem :p
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> :D My local team just won the premier league :D
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> ...and does that imply dream-logic was used in the formats inception?
21:08 < SupSuper> possibly? i mean, i'll give them credit, it's not all just hidden away in the exe :p
21:09 < SupSuper> but everything's wastefully padded so that might be where dreaming comes in
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> memcpy(struct) seems to be the file-format of choice
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> so some stuff is 32-bit aligned, others different base types
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> depending on $COMPILER_MAGIC
21:10 < SupSuper> does that explain 16 bytes of zeros?
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> fixes size char[] array?
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Two structs concat'd together?
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Union of two different struct types?
21:13 < SupSuper> oh there's plenty of redundancy, fixed-size char[] and only-useful-to-programmers metadata. i guess filesize wasn't a big concern :p
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Not to the byte-by-byte level I guess
21:15 < SupSuper> for example the terrain tiles are {width}{height}{16 empty bytes}{actual uncompressed sprite}{8 empty bytes}. and even then all tiles have to have the same size, could've just had a series of sprite data :p
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> It might also be the remains of a previous file format
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work>  like the .pck files in apoc appear to have a bounds, but that seems just a 'hint' and can be derived from other data?
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> and changing it seems to not affect rendering in the original
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> At least in the single use-case I tested...
21:21 < SupSuper> while magic images have name, description, width, height, no of frames, frame to loop back to, list of frame offsets, internal palette data, clear render on next frame, etc
21:21 < SupSuper> all this for a format more inefficient than gif :p
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> NIH gif?
21:26 < SupSuper> guess so. i remember gifs were already around back then, they probably just didn't have fast runtime decoding
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> The compression was also patented until relatively recently...
21:28 < SupSuper> like all the microprose installers had a GIF background and you could actually see it slowly rendering out: http://puu.sh/oE3YX/d4c9c37ca5.GIF
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess that was licensed from installshield or something though...?
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Heh, it seems half the Leicester team have been in prison...
21:28 < SupSuper> dos installers. i don't think installshield was a thing then
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup, sounds like leicester :P
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> they all had a pkunzip.exe right?
21:29 < SupSuper> yeah
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess they were mashed together bits of 3rd party code?
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> And publisher-provided? Ie not the game studio's problem?
21:29 < SupSuper> well nobody's gonna figure out those 100 sound drivers themselves :p
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Banging registers to get sound in a realtime-sensitive application?
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Ain't nobody got time for that...
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10:12 < sf{bed_alloc}> hey everyone
10:15 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH`Away: wow, an instancing renderer! Tried checking it out, feels faster than before, but has a bunch of issues
10:17 < sf{bed_alloc}> the loader doesn't work on android out of the box - it won't load glGetString, of all things, and then it does an improper check for version
10:18 < sf{bed_alloc}> so I suggest throwing out all this "check for glx/wgl/egl and then maybe dlfcn" and just replacing it with a simple, cross-platform, not-our-problem SDL_GL_GetProcAddress
10:19 < sf{bed_alloc}> and maybe check the context version with SDL as well?
10:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> also, this: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-nEU5c76PeuZlg2bjZMcFBELVU
10:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> I assume rendering to fbo is broken?
10:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> as for that cue reader, I *think* I'm close to a working implementation, didn't think I'd have to reimplement the whole iso9660 reading stuff though
10:25 < sf{bed_alloc}> so I've got ~200? lines of code for parsing cue file and 800+ for dealing with iso :p
10:26 < sf{bed_alloc}> because obviously physfs won't export the archiver struct symbols in release (packaged) build
10:28 < sf{bed_alloc}> on the bright side, we can now have our own (buggy and incomplete and not strictly standards-compliant) implementation and not use someone else's (buggy and incomplete and not strictly standards-compliant) library :p
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10:58 < sf{bed_alloc}> less than 60 ms per render! Impressive. Frame time is still ~120ms, but I attribute that to the "updated" (yeah, broken like all hell) compiler - had to mess *yet again* with the compilation flags because I haven't learned my lesson about not updating my tools.
11:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> "vehicles update" takes up ~60ms as well, but that's probably due to the large number of vehicles on the screen and lack of optimizations (how do you even ship a linker that segfaults on lto?!)
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14:52 <@JonnyH> sf{bed_alloc}: The problem with SDL_GL_GetProcAddress is it doesn't use libGLESv2 by default
14:52 <@JonnyH> which is the way I've been testing on desktop
14:52 < sf{bed_alloc}> iirc there's a hint/environment value that controls that
14:53 <@JonnyH> Meh, what's wrong with the eglGetProcAddress() anyway?
14:53 <@JonnyH> I assume on android you'd set EGL DLFCN in the buildsystem
14:54 <@JonnyH> and that screenshot looks kinda like a driver bug... using the wrong shader?
14:54 <@JonnyH> Maybe the compile failed? If so it should LogError()...
14:56 < sf{bed_alloc}> I've definitely set the first one, missed the second one though. As for what could go wrong with eglGetProcAddress - https://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/file/d41acf6379f6/src/video/SDL_egl.c mentions busted implementation on Android (bug's closed, but still), and it is not required to return correct addresses for non-extension procs?
14:57 <@JonnyH> Yeah, it _must_ return non-null
14:57 <@JonnyH> it just returns a dummy function that does nothing for unrecognised funcs
14:57 <@JonnyH> The same as the glXGetProcAddres and wglGetProcAddress specs (They do not _have_ to return null, just many implementations do)
14:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> no, it used to return null for extensions that were present on the system
14:58 <@JonnyH> so relying on null == missing is broken on everything really
14:58 <@JonnyH> It uses the android wrapper, so the driver can 'expose' extensions that don't exist in android, and then you can't use them :P
14:58 <@JonnyH> Either way, we should be using DLFVN, just change the default "GL' to "GLESv3" for the lib name and you're golden
14:59 < sf{bed_alloc}> ...why not link to glesv3 directly and omit the loader entirely for sane platforms then?
15:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> for a very generous definition of "sane"
15:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> (I'm still traumatized by AAssetManager)
15:00 <@JonnyH> technically without EGL_KHR_get_all_proc_address eglGetProcAddress() may return invalid values for non-extension (IE "core") functions too :)
15:00 <@JonnyH> but I think Android's wrapper supports that by default... (IE not a driver-dependent thing)
15:00 <@JonnyH> 'caus on windows it uses the ES3_compatibility extension
15:01 <@JonnyH> through wgl/GetProcAddress
15:01 <@JonnyH> on linux it does the same thing but with glXGetProcAddress/dlsym or eglGetProcAddress/dlsym depending on the platform
15:02 <@JonnyH> Or, if you're lucky enough to have a 'real' gles3 implemention, directly through libGLESv3.so and dlsym
15:02 <@JonnyH> All paths have _some_ use :P
15:02 <@JonnyH> You might argue that there are some that are only realistically available when another would be there (and preferable) anyway...
15:04 <@JonnyH> Android is pretty much the only platform I didn't test on... :P
15:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> my experience so far is that sdl does its own magic, creating the context I've asked for and getting the functions I ask for, pretty sure they're grabbed from libGL or a corresponding .dll (so ES3_COMPATIBILTIY)
15:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> wait, and did that work?
15:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> because you're off by one in the version string :p
15:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> (at least on my adreno...)
15:05 <@JonnyH> It does "sym = dlsym(FUNC); if (!sym) sym = eglGetProcAddress(sym)"
15:06 <@JonnyH> which breaks if you have libGL loaded into the process but using an ES context
15:06 <@JonnyH> as it'll pick some symbols from libGL, some from eglGetProcAddress
15:07 < sf{bed_alloc}> hence you don't link against libGL explicitly?
15:07 <@JonnyH> Of course, probably nobody but me ever experiences that situation though :P
15:07 <@JonnyH> libSDL by default pulls in libGL, weather we like it or not...
15:07 <@JonnyH> I do it the other way, not link against libGLESv3 explicitly
15:08 <@JonnyH> like dlsym(NULL, "glGetString") will return the libGL one (the first one in the search list of the libraries in the DT_NEEDED section of the elf)
15:08 <@JonnyH> but 'es3_handle = dlopen("GLESv3); dlsym(es3_handle, "glGetString")" will return one from libGLESv3.so
15:09 <@JonnyH> I just locally changed lib_name and rebuilt (need to make that a #define from the buildsystem?)
15:11 < sf{bed_alloc}> huh, I was under the impression it's only loaded dynamically. Also, no mentions of shaders in the log - maybe a driver bug? shader compiler bug?
15:11 <@JonnyH> And on top of that, I could probably re-use the spritesheet/batching stuff in GLES2 too, minus the instance rendering (so we'll have an extra copy of vertices for each quad)
15:11 <@JonnyH> do you get the GL_EXTENSION list?
15:12 < sf{bed_alloc}> yes
15:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> https://paste.gnome.org/pocpqtdld
15:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> (added a version string output because was having stoi failure - you probably want version_string.substr(0, 1) or something)
15:17 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, if I understand correctly, SDL_VIDEO_GL_DRIVER envvar should allow you to specify your GL library
15:17 <@JonnyH> Did I get the 'OpenGL ES 3.x" char count wrong or something?
15:17 <@JonnyH> And I want it to 'correctly' fallback to the 'desktop' gl3.0 if gles3 is not available...
15:18 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, version_string.substr(1, 1) == '.' if I understood correctly
15:18 <@JonnyH> aah, yeah, should be 0,1
15:18 < sf{bed_alloc}> I believe it falls back, but I'll re-check
15:19 <@JonnyH> I'm probably the only person in the world with one GPU providing libGL.so, and a /different/ card providing libGLESv3.so :P
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15:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e2b5601 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix OpenGL ES version parsing
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15:20 < sf{bed_alloc}> https://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/file/d41acf6379f6/src/video/SDL_egl.c#l193 - it insists on loading libGLESv2, so that might not be useful for your particular case
15:21 <@JonnyH> You might also want to tune the OGLES30Renderer values: spritesheetPageSize, maxSpriteSizeToPack, spriteBufferSize, spriteBufferCount, texturedBufferCount and quadBufferCount :P
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15:21 <@JonnyH> should all be performance tunables
15:22 <@JonnyH> might be different of different devices...
15:22 <@JonnyH> they're not 'tuned' now at all, just 'guessed values' :P
15:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> by the way, why did you go highp?
15:22 <@JonnyH> texcoords over a 4096-width texture
15:23 <@JonnyH> I could probably set those highp and the rest lowp though
15:25 <@JonnyH> though mediump would probably be enough post-iteration...
15:26 <@JonnyH> But again, feel free to tweak, I've not been able to test on hw that honours less than mediump anyway
15:26 <@JonnyH> at least the colourProgram frag shader could probably be set wholly to lowp..
15:28 < sf{bed_alloc}> by the way, how do you prevent strings from getting into sprite cache?
15:30 <@JonnyH> errm.. we don't :P
15:30 <@JonnyH> I have some more work on a string cache, to keep them & allow proper re-use
15:30 <@JonnyH> but that's not working right yet..
15:30 <@JonnyH> It just so happens most strings are generated once and re-used
15:30 <@JonnyH> so technically it'll 'leak' until a spritesheet repack is called
15:30 <@JonnyH> (Which, again, is currently never?)
15:31 <@JonnyH> I would love it if you could time the cost of a repack during a 'live' cityscreen on a mobile device...
15:32 <@JonnyH> and I was going to move to texStorage too, so 'adding a new page' would be expensive and a good place for a 'repack' anyway
15:34 <@JonnyH> I can also probably look into instancing colour rects/lines if they end up being an issue, but I've not noticed them being high on the profile...
15:34 <@JonnyH> brb
15:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, first things first, I'd really appreciate a cityscape that's not a bunch of randomly (?) colored triangles :p
16:28 <@JonnyH> shrug...
16:29 <@JonnyH> All my debug says I'm doing the 'correct' opengl things...
16:29 < sf{bed_alloc}> okay, looks like enumerating directories works(?), opening and reading (at the very least from root) works, and leaks are caused by icu54 :p
16:30 < sf{bed_alloc}> and physfs, which is still in the *not caused by me* domain
16:30 <@JonnyH> Yeah, physfs sounded like a great idea
16:30 <@JonnyH> but I keep running into bugs with it..
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16:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, time to try to insert this into the OpenApoc tree!
16:33 <@JonnyH`Work> :D
16:33 <@JonnyH`Work> If you get a branch building for me I can try to debug silly ogl issues locally
16:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> i.e. android stuff? sure, I'll probably update that shortly
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I have a nexus5x and a few powervr devices
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> What were you testing on?
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> nexus9?
16:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> nexus4, it's my only gles3-capable device
16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> that qcomm, might be able to repro on my n5x then
16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Performance wise: If this is currently the 'peak' performance we're going to get, do you think it's worth writing a gles2 renderer?
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> As things that support only that will inevitably be slower?
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> (just the renderer that is, there's still lots of improvements possible in the update loop)
16:38 < sf{bed_alloc}> tough question, as for some reason my nexus 7 (2012) was getting better framerates with gles2 than my n4 with either gles2 or gles3 (old one)
16:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Might have been nvidia's driver was optimised from the non-batching POV
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> really in the 'tileview' render path we should be GPU limited, not driver limited...
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> as it should be pretty much a single draw call :D
16:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, how much worse should a single non-instance draw call that draws all the triangles at once (through glDrawElements) perform wrt instancing?
16:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Depends on the driver implementation
16:40 <@JonnyH`Work> but a non-instanced version would likely have an extra copy of the {0,0}{0,1}{1,0}{1,1} vertices per call
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> and the whole sprite descriptor block would need copies too
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> so a naieve re-implmentation it would take ~4x the memory bandwidth for the vertex buffers
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> which, if you're not memory bound, may be no difference at all...
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> but most mobile GPUs are memory bw bound for many things, so I guess it would be a solid improvement
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> especially as the shader is relatively simple
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> so unlikely alu limited
16:43 <@JonnyH`Work> so worst case, probably less than 4x on the gpu
16:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> uh, why the {0,0} {0,1} {1,0} {1,1} vertices?
16:43 <@JonnyH`Work> the corners of the quads
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> they _could_ be generated from a geometry shader, but that's even less likely to be suppored...
16:44 < sf{bed_alloc}> so, position + texcoord... don't you *have* to supply both anyway?
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I 'calculate' the position and texcoord from those {0,0}..{1,1} quad coords
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> from the sprite start & size in the texture map
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> and the same for the screen position
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> "this_vetex_position = screen_position + (input_vertex * screen_size);
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> (If youre cpu driver bound it really could be more than 4x :P)
16:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh, right, these are advanced per-instance
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, the whole 'sprite description' is shared for all 4 vertices of a quad
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> which is the advantage of DrawInstanced  over MultiDraw
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> You *might* be able to do something similar by having a big array descriptions as a uniform, and a 'small' index copied for all 4 vertices
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> but an indirect uniform lookup in the shader is often slower
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> as the GPU can't 'predict' which it will use simply, so can't get things ready in a pipelined manner
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> ('push' constants vs 'pull' constants in Vulkan terms IIRC)
16:51 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, looks like before we just pre-computed all four coordinates and just sent them?
16:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, but they're instanced to the 'same' four coords are sent for all 4096 instances :P
16:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Not a bad use of 32 bytes :P
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, one possible thing I've noticed, try reducing the spritesheet page size from 4096x4096 to 2048
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Apparently, gles3 only 'requires' 2048, and I'm not checking the max correctly...
16:53 < sf{bed_alloc}> I've tried 1024x1024 already, didn't really notice much difference
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Not Meh, I should add a query anyway...
17:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> for what it's worth, the menu displays almost correctly, except for all the text - which is all rendered to fbos?
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, the text would probably go through the spritesheet path
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> SO it's likely that's the broken path...
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Anything above 256x256, or is a Surface (not an RGBImage/PaletteImage) would go through a 'non-instancing' path
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> so probably the background would be > 256x256
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> and the buttons are mostly made of coloured rects (again, not spritesheet path) drawn to a Surface
17:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, it's 640x480 iirc
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think it's likely to be FBO related...
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> It's probably just the same as the cityscape - the instanced sprites are b0rked..
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> which is annoying, as that's the whole point of the renderer re-work...
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17:07 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f3464d4 Jonathan Hamilton: GLES3v2 renderer: Clamp spritesheet size to MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE...
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17:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> if only gles was more specific about how large a texture you can *actually* allocate :p
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> It depends :P
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Unfortunately, the opengl API pretty much stops you making accurate short-term memory usage estimates
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. it /requires/ glTexImage2D to copy the *whole* input texture if there is outstanding rendering
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> (Or an async texture upload and format conversion, for instance)
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> vulkan solves that by not hiding such actions
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Add in the fact that we (and presumably other vendors) have to make copies of _any_ modified buffers immediately if there is outstanding rendering makes it difficult to determine when such copies are made - effectively any modification to data could cause a copy to be created for the lifetime of a current render
17:19 < sf{bed_alloc}> completely unrelated, saw an old talk about quake3, there was some stuff about how opengl was easy to initialize and start drawing and api is simple and straightforward... oh, how far we've come :p
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> It is!
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> You should see my vulkan backend :P
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> like 3 kloc just to setup the damn device and swapchain...
17:25 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, I kinda get that, but even the "create your context (in a very platform-specific way - or just use SDL, you know) - create your VAO - bind your VAO - create your VBOs while making sure the right VAO is bound - compile and link your shaders while you're at it - specify how your data that you will put in buffers is located - oh, NOW you might try to draw your triangle!" is not THAT straightforward :p
17:25 < sf{bed_alloc}> and I'm probably missing some steps anyway...
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Hope you have your shaders in spirv blobs, not something high level like 'glsl' :P
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Synchronisation? Your problem
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Memory allocation? Your problem
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Virtual address mapping? Your problem
17:28 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, at least you're gonna have _one_ compiler, not a thousand and one for each chip out there... right?
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, but most of the bugs aren't in the 'simple' glsl frontend
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> but the massive optimising machine-code-generating compiler
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Like those people said "Compiling glsl is slow!"
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> but the frontend parsing is like ~2% of the execution time :P
17:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> why are people so sensitive about shader compilation times anyway, you don't want a recompilation mid-frame anyway
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> It's easy to measure :P
17:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> and you mask your shader compilation times during loading
17:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> and save the binaries if that's so important
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Our driver kept being constantly blamed as we had the 'slowest' compiler
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> but that was a design decision for exactly that reason - android caches it
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> and the 'benchmarks' explicitly changed the source with random comments etc. to avoid the cache
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> we could have saved significant time by turning down some optimisation passes
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> but that would regress non-silly benchmarks
17:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> who even came with the idea to measure that time? It's not like you're gonna want to recompile mid-render
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> IT's easy to measure :P
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> THe same with the 'driver overhead' tests
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> they're _terrible_ for us
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> as they're explicitly designed to measure time for a single trivial draw from beginning to end
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> but as we're deferred we benefit from stacking up lots of draws more than most
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> as in a trivial draw();flush(); takes about the same amount of time as 1000x draw()s then a flush()...
17:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Like we're often the bottom of the 'micro'-benchmark tables
17:39 <@JonnyH`Work> but the top of the 'actual game content' stuff
18:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> wow, apk asset reading is sloooooow
18:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> I mean, I had to wait for several minutes to get the cityscape to load
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18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I found on windows a large amount of the time was in the case-insensitive search
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> as it 'stat' every file in every directory in the path 
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> which apparently is really slow on windows w/physfs
18:24 < sf{bed_alloc}> my logs were spammed by trying to load a palette a LOT of times over and over again
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> which palette?
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> it *should* be cached after the first successful load?
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe it can't read it at all?
18:27 < sf{bed_alloc}> pal_01.dat? It gets "decoded" a lot, from what I'm seeing
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm.. maybe the cache isn't cache-ing properly...
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, wait, we don't cache palettes :P
18:27 < sf{bed_alloc}> um, now it's creating spritesheet after spritesheet
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, time to fix that...
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> weird, I've never seen it allocate more than 2 in my testing...
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not clamped to a silly MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE?
18:29 < sf{bed_alloc}> about a spritesheet per second in the menu. Maybe I've messed with the values a bit too much :<
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> sounds like *something*'s not being cached?
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> We kinda rely on the cache to 'merge' the same images together
18:30 < sf{bed_alloc}> pagesize is {1024, 1024}, spritebuffer is 1024, 2 spritebuffers
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Might be fontcache related...
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll finish that off 'next'
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> If you can get an apitrace or something you should be able to see the contents of the spritesheet
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> or annotate ->upload() in the gles3 backend...
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> a ->repack just before we would have expanded the spritesheet might also be a good idea, to 'prune' unused sprites
18:32 < sf{bed_alloc}> as for case-insensitive search, I believe it relies on enumerating directory contents, and apk backend *requires* a round trip to java
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> So if it enumerates a lot of files in lots of directories it'll be a lot of round-trips?
18:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> because for some reason AAssetManager (the C interface) does NOT list directories
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH case-insensitivity is a kinda nasty hack...
18:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, we *could* just cache them
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I only added it as $OTHER_DEVS kept adding incorrect cased stuff, as they happen to work on a non-sensitive os :P
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, maybe not the IFiles themselves, but a map of (tolower(path), real_path) would be useful
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> also a lot of the loading time was spent loading the ufopaedia backgrounds at game start
18:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> I was thinking more about caching in the archiver
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> I recently made that lazy though, so that should be better...
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> If it's a problem multiple 'backends' have it might make sense for it to be the layer above
18:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> come to think of it, I've already done it in the (yet unreleased) cue-bin reader...
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> apparently the physfs iso reader doesn't cache anything
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> and lots of read(small number of bytes) kills perf on windows :P
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> as that's how it implements stat (re-reads the iso fs entry)
18:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> ouch
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> A lot of these things just don't seem to be a problem on linux
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> so the first I notice is Sup saying "You've made it so startup takes 5 minutes on an i7!"
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> and I go "WTF? Less than a second here, and $HOT_FUNCTION doesn't even show up in the profile" :P
18:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, I've decided to just store filesystem contents in a kinda-recursive map[]
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Just a path lookup table in Data would be useful, right?
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> And I need to add a palette cache, as having the 'same' palette loaded as differen sp<> would not only be more time loading/wasted memory
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> but barriers for batching renders together
18:39 < sf{bed_alloc}> guess so? so, recursively enumerate files in all mounted points and store them?
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, make it so when we scan a directory add it to the cache
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> probably stop the vast majority of re-scans
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> even if we don't store the WHOLE tree at startup
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> just noticed a bug in the dlfcn() path :P
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18:48 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c6615d3 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix dlfcn path in gles3wrap...
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18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> hi SupSuper 
18:51 < sf{bed_alloc}> https://github.com/sfalexrog/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/physfs_rw/framework/platform/android/archiver_apk.cpp#L231 - one of the reasons I should not be allowed to write comments :p
18:52 < sf{bed_alloc}> hey SupSuper
18:52 < SupSuper> hey
18:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH`Work: well, here goes: https://github.com/sfalexrog/openapoc_android/tree/WIP/gles3_bugs
18:58 < sf{bed_alloc}> should be close enough to the current state of openapoc source tree
18:58 < sf{bed_alloc}> hope you still have all those crazy android dependencies from before :p
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> oh god, what magic did I do last time to do this...
18:59 < sf{bed_alloc}> also, I've used ndk-r12 to build, will probably fail on r11
19:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> I'd say something about using android studio to build it, but it takes 30-40 minutes to reindex everything after *every* change to the build configs, and won't let you build/run while it does so
19:02 < sf{bed_alloc}> and that's on a laptop-ish core i7 with 16gb ram and on an ssd
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> They probably code like me then ;)
19:04 < sf{bed_alloc}> using vim and staying away from java stuff? :p
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, just inefficiently
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean the guys writing android studio
19:07 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, they also tend to drop in platform-specific (okay, windows-specific) bugs and not care about native code development as much as they say they do
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> We just integrate into the android build tree itself
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Much easier than this ndk mess
19:07 < sf{bed_alloc}> (seriously, they recommend using clang and yet their IDE can't even parse #include_next)
19:07 < SupSuper> sf{bed_alloc}: i'll say, you made a typo ;p
19:08 < sf{bed_alloc}> SupSuper: which one :p
19:08 < SupSuper> wistom
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19:11 < sf{bed_alloc}> SupSuper: in my defense, I'll say I was deeply shocked by this thing: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base.git/+/1cadc07dd1e3711fb1e57548038e3026682c5ef8/native/android/asset_manager.cpp#132
19:11 < SupSuper> MUST PRESERVE THE ABSTRACTION AT ALL COSTS
19:12 < SupSuper> i hate that not even usb drivers let me at the android filesystem
19:12 < sf{bed_alloc}> (basically there's a Java interface to a thing and a C interface to a thing and they behave in a different way)
19:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> my recent experience with mtp? I was trying to get a file (an OpenXcom save, of all things) from a device and it was constantly getting truncated
19:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> because at some point in time the device reported the filesize and surely it won't change during the lifetime of usb connection
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> so... how do I stop it building $EVERY_ARCH again?
19:18 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH`Work: ./gradlew assembleArmv7-aDebug
19:18 < sf{bed_alloc}> or something like that
19:18 < sf{bed_alloc}> I guess referring to .travis.yml is somewhat rude, but https://github.com/sfalexrog/openapoc_android/blob/WIP/gles3_bugs/.travis.yml should be kinda useful
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> assembleArm64-v8aRelease
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> is the one I want I guess...
19:19 < sf{bed_alloc}> will probably fail if you don't have a signing config
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Last time I signed manually with signapk IIRC...
19:19 < sf{bed_alloc}> or just produce an unsigned apk that you'll have to sign yourself, yeah
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Whelp, the clang in the ndk is broken for aarch64...
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> armv7a it is, I guess
19:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> might be just my compile flags, actually
19:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> and which ndk?
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> 11c
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> fatal error: error in backend: Cannot select: 0x218987a8: i32 = AArch64ISD::FCCMP 0x1a0cabf0, 0x1d53ea08, 0x2189db30, 0x220e9030, 0x1b61e0e8 [ORD=3] [ID=18]/home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc_android/OpenApoc/src/main/jni/boost_libs/math/include/boost/math/special_functions/detail/ibeta_inverse.hpp:830:37
19:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> haven't seen that one before (no complaining)
19:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> you'll probably want to patch openapoc/build.gradle
19:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> line 307 is probably libc++-specific and ndk-r12-specific
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> -lunwind is missing too...
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> and c++abi
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> and android_support?
19:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, that's line 307
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> (wait, isn't that part of the sdk)
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> wiped the line, trying again...
19:25 < sf{bed_alloc}> another good idea is to change line 283 to read 'toolchain="gcc"' and line 285 to 'stl="gnustl_static"'
19:25 < sf{bed_alloc}> if the build barfs again
19:29 < sf{bed_alloc}> an added bonus is that you'll be able to uncomment lines 78, 82 and 83 to enable some optimizations (lto is still broken with clang... or maybe I'm just not passing enough flags)
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19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> [GLES3Renderer] Version: OpenGL ES 3.1 V@127.0 (GIT@I8366cd0437)
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> GLES3.0 not available; disabling GLES3 renderer...
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> huh
19:31 < sf{bed_alloc}> hah!
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git submodules update'
19:32 < sf{bed_alloc}> is there a --recursive flag or something?
19:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> you probably want that as well
19:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> anyway, where should I put my archivers? framework/archivers or something? (framework/platform/* seems somewhat wrong)
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> framework/fs?
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> move physfs_fs there too?
19:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> framework/fs it is then
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> the pack/unpack part of serialize.cpp probably should be moved to something similar...
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19:42 < SupSuper> sf{bed_alloc}: is your openxcom port on the master branch or the sdl2 branch?
19:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> sdl2
19:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> sometimes sdl2_nogfx (it's a branch of sdl2 that doesn't use sdl_gfx, instead having the relevant parts copied into the engine)
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> does gradle not do dependency tracking?
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems to start the build from scratch each change I make?
19:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> huh? seems to not do that on my end (it still takes quite some time, but not as much as a full recompile)
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Or does it wipe everything after a failure?
19:46 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, it does recompile every single thing if you touch any of the .gradle files
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, just .cpp
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug*
19:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> but I've observed opposite behavior, like linking errors that go away after a clean rebuild
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19:56 < SupSuper> sf{bed_alloc}: seems your _nogfx branch is all messed up
19:56 < sf{bed_alloc}> how so?
19:57 < SupSuper> for one thing it still requires sdl_gfx :p
19:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> you're building with cmake?
19:57 < SupSuper> and it has a bunch of compiler errors and broken xml files and etc
19:57 < SupSuper> pfffff never :p
19:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> vs?
19:58 < SupSuper> 'course
19:58 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, I probably didn't update the project in a long while (well, any of them)
19:59 < sf{bed_alloc}> you can safely remove sdl_gfx from it
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 05-03 13:01:38.958 29457 29471 D OpenApoc: W 509767000 virtual OpenApoc::Renderer *OpenApoc::(anonymous namespace)::OGLES30RendererFactory::create():
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> 05-03 13:01:38.958 29457 29471 D OpenApoc: Using OpenGL|ES context     
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> And visually looks fine to me
20:04 < SupSuper> shame sdl2 doesn't have any primitive drawing functions
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: then you're kinda missing the goal of a *simple* direct media layer
20:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH`Work: oh well, time to upgrade apparently :p
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Before android M google didn't actually have any gles3 conformance testing as part of the android CTS
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise known as "People claimed gles3 compatibility without testing anything"
20:06 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: and how *simple* has it been for you to implement drawing rects and lines? :p
20:07 < sf{bed_alloc}> apparently it's a different meaning of "simple" :p
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Using SW rendering? Using OpenGL?
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Which context? Whose state do you want me to f**ck up?
20:07 < sf{bed_alloc}> as in "thin", not as in "easy to do"
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> 'simple' could mean unity from another pov, right
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: doesn't seem any faster than the gl_3_0 renderer though
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe my phone was never gpu limited? :P
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Is there any way of changing the options your loader shows (scale etc.)?
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Or are they read-only?
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Also, an '--enable-tracing' option would be nice
20:09 < sf{bed_alloc}> not yet (I'm too lazy to finally do nice little dialog boxes for each of those options)
20:09 < sf{bed_alloc}> tracing is enabled by default
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, where does it drop the file?
20:10 < sf{bed_alloc}>  /sdcard/openapoc
20:10 < sf{bed_alloc}> probably
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> it failed to load a save too?
20:11 < sf{bed_alloc}> ughhh.... probably setting your working dir properly
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> it saved save.zip
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> but failed to load it?
20:12 < sf{bed_alloc}> couldn't find it? :p
20:12 < sf{bed_alloc}> though it's weird
20:12 < sf{bed_alloc}> either I've messed with serialization without knowing better
20:12 < sf{bed_alloc}> or I don't know what's up
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Huh, still ~150ms in the renderer
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess qualcomm implement DrawInstanced
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> with (for each instance) drawOne()
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> in software
20:13 < SupSuper> sf{bed_alloc}: your OpenGLRenderer.cpp has a compiler error
20:13  * JonnyH`Work doesn't know why I bother sometimes
20:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> I'm anxious to see pvr results
20:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> SupSuper: wait what
20:15 < SupSuper> in the sdl2 branch, a misplaced try-catch
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I also only ever get one spritesheet page :)
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Guess something more than rendering artifacts is going on with your renderer...
20:16 < sf{bed_alloc}> SupSuper: probably a mismerge, I've had some like that
20:16 < sf{bed_alloc}> I was going to eventually rewrite that with more gles2
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: building for x86 fails
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc_android/OpenApoc/src/main/jni/OpenApoc/dependencies/physfs/src/physfs_internal.h:94:19: note: expanded from macro 'malloc'
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> #define malloc(x) Do not use malloc() directly.
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> stupid physfs...
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> that's being included from:
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> In file included from /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc_android/OpenApoc/src/main/jni/OpenApoc/framework/platform/android/archiver_apk.cpp:14:
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> In file included from /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc_android/OpenApoc/src/main/jni/SDL/include/SDL.h:38:
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> In file included from /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc_android/OpenApoc/src/main/jni/SDL/include/SDL_cpuinfo.h:59:
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> In file included from /opt/android-ndk/toolchains/llvm/prebuilt/linux-x86_64/bin/../lib64/clang/3.8.243773/include/xmmintrin.h:36:
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> /opt/android-ndk/toolchains/llvm/prebuilt/linux-x86_64/bin/../lib64/clang/3.8.243773/include/mm_malloc.h:49:12: error: use of undeclared identifier 'Do' return malloc(__size);
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> so physfs is breaking the system malloc() whenever it's included, which some x86 headers happen to use internally?
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20:19 < SupSuper> sf{bed_alloc}: well after some fighting, i can confirm openxcom on sdl2 on windows still works
20:19 < SupSuper> i assume the android-specific stuff is elsewhere?
20:19 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, that's physfs_internal that I shouldn't be including in the first place, but that's... interesting
20:19 < sf{bed_alloc}> SupSuper: all there, #ifdef-guarder
20:19 < sf{bed_alloc}> *guarded
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> still, it feels like a grade-a dumb thing for physfs to do
20:21 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: yeah it should obviously be an assert :p
20:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> #undef malloc?
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> _Static_Assert()
20:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> SupSuper: yeah, try defining __MOBILE__, see what happens :p
20:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> (probably not a lot, though... minor stuff like missing cursor and touch sensitivity)
20:25 < sf{bed_alloc}> what kind of android-specific stuff are you looking for, anyway?
20:26 < SupSuper> nothing i was just expecting it to look COMPLETELY DIFFERENT instead of... not :p
20:26 < SupSuper> well on my phone the options are different at least
20:27 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, __MOBILE__ governs that (there are system-specific options that I had to put in because androids are buggy)
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20:29 < SupSuper> building for windows phone is gonna be fun, as i need to do *everything* from source
20:29 < sf{bed_alloc}> welcome to the club!
20:29 < SupSuper> any chance you already have all the sources? :p
20:30 < sf{bed_alloc}> https://github.com/sfalexrog/openxcom-android
20:30 < sf{bed_alloc}> neatly tucked away in all the submodules: https://github.com/sfalexrog/openxcom-android/tree/master/app/src/main/jni
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Honestly, do all android apps have to have folder layouts from hell?
20:30 < sf{bed_alloc}> btw, I should probably drop boost already since yaml-cpp doesn't need it anymore
20:31 < SupSuper> does android support c++11?
20:31 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH`Work: that's java residue
20:31 < sf{bed_alloc}> SupSuper: define *support*
20:32 < SupSuper> well to drop boost you need to have c++11
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> it *claims* to support c++11, if that's what you mean
20:32 < SupSuper> also you'll probably want the latest code so you don't get filled with include errors :p
20:32 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, to compile openapoc I need c++11 as well so :p
20:32 < SupSuper> that would be nice though, the less stuff i have to shove into a windows phone build :p
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Heh, just tried it on an n-preview for fugu and it crashes instantly at startup...
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure if that's preleases being.. prereleases, x86 weirdness, something else...
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Doesn't look like it even gets to the gpu driver part of init :)
20:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> okay, looks like I'm not reading enough of the iso :<
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> the .iso? Or the .bin?
20:41 < sf{bed_alloc}> the isofs of the .bin
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH I might have impllemented that as a bin2iso pre-run pass :)
20:42 < sf{bed_alloc}> so, how many iso9660 reader implementations do we have now?
20:50 < SupSuper> less than renderer implementations?
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> you can never have enough renderers!
20:54 < SupSuper> sf{bed_alloc}: so you actually have a branch of openxcom for sdl2, that then branches into a separate openxcom for android, that then branches the other libraries from source as well? damn
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20:55 < sf{bed_alloc}> uh, not as complicated as you make it sound
20:55 < sf{bed_alloc}> sdl2 branch is platform-agnostic (well, more or less)
20:56 < sf{bed_alloc}> then I have a separate repo that uses sdl2 branch of openxcom as a submodule
20:56 < sf{bed_alloc}> and all that's there to that I could press a button and get a build :p
20:57 < SupSuper> probably not a bad idea. sounds simpler to just have a separate "openxcom-rt" that pulls the other projects, instead of trying to mix it with your structure
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> crash on fugu 'fixed' by using gcc over clang...
20:58 < sf{bed_alloc}> so that's why they've decided to deprecate gcc!
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe it's like that tls bug I found?
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> static constructors failing? Would explain why it's a crash before *any* output
21:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> nothing in the logcat? not even a segfault?
21:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> *signal, at the very least
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Just a segfault
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> but they broke the backtrace debuggerd normally gives in n :)
21:02 < sf{bed_alloc}> how do they keep breaking stuff again and again
21:04 < SupSuper> well thanks for the inspiration sf{bed_alloc}, i think i'm just gonna set up a separate repository for openxcom-rt and pull everything else through submodules
21:04 < SupSuper> also i sent you a fix :p
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> things chrome's trace viewer doesn't like:
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> 300mb trace files
21:19 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/oFdST/c0772a748d.png uhhhhhh
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> heh :D
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> buffer_contents	
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> "4096"
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Wall Duration	
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> 0.160 ms
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Not bad for a mobile device :)
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21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> WE're hitting ~100ms frame time
21:22 < SupSuper> haha windows 10 is telling me to activate "programmer mode"
21:23 < SupSuper> getit because it's actually a mobile os!!!
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> of which ~50ms is just looping through the TileMap...
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21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Yeah, it's windows 10, what did you think it was?
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> An OS usable for anything remotely professional? Pff...
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Our driver seems fbo-switch limited from what I can see
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> spending ~20ms per frame
21:24 < SupSuper> it's just amusing that it hooks into visual studio enough to tell you "hey you're gonna need this programmer mode" but still actually need such a mode...
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> the actual instanced draw seems pretty small, ~5ms or so
21:26 < SupSuper> the openxcom app is here!! http://puu.sh/oFeo6/edf83fdf9e.jpg
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Wow! 3d xcom!
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup, for us at least it's pretty much pegged by UI rendering
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> in-game 1080p tileview is taking ~14ms
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> on a fugu (which isn't exactly a *fast* gpu by modern standards)
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> and 99% of that is the looping through TileObjects in sw
21:34 < SupSuper> good old STL :p
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe I'll look at reducing the constant Surface switching/re-rendering in the Forms
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I might switch to an intrusive container, will save at least 1-indirection (and possibly a cache miss) every reref...
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> FontCache too would help...
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> At least in the InGameOptions screen
21:38 < SupSuper> isn't every text intrinsically cached by the ui surface anyways?
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Only text in a Control
21:38 < SupSuper> why would you have text outside a control! :p
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Sorry, a TextButton
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Lables are constantly re-rendererd
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC TextButton for some reason has a special-case cache
21:39 < SupSuper> oh right every control does its own text rendering...
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm just going to make a 'dirty' flag for every control
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> and only re-render if that's set?
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that sane?
21:40 < SupSuper> dirty rects like it's the 90s!
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup, It's almost as if they were running on limited hardware or something, so had to be clever about what they actually recalculated
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Thank god we don't have to do that today
21:41 < SupSuper> well that's how openxcom does it... so i can't say if it's sane :p
21:41 < SupSuper> mostly because software blits don't scale
21:42 < SupSuper> but it might've also been premature optimization on my part so ???
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> This seems to be taking ~70% of the frame time
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I think that's no longer 'premature' optimisation :P
21:42 < SupSuper> yeah text tends to be a special-case since it's a lot of teeny tiny blits
21:43 < SupSuper> imagine the ufopedia :p
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> we construct text in sw...
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus it was slower to get the gpu involved
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> If we did something like a font spritesheet it might be faster, but meh
21:44 < SupSuper> i think we still construct it on OnRender though? so that's probably not great
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Show me a profile with that at the top and I'll jump on it :)
21:45 < SupSuper> well the OnRenders are always on top... but that's probably because it's the tick :p
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Advantages of a update();render(); pair I guess :P
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Not planning to make then out of lockstep though
21:47 < SupSuper> on a tangent, how the hell do submodules work
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> poorly, apparently
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I seem to randomly need to 'git submodule init;git submodule update' again
22:00 < SupSuper> oh good so it's not just me
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Ooh, simple 'dirty' flag implementation for Controls:
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Goes from 106ms/frame
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> to (fanfare please)
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> 20
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess that's a 'good' optimisation then 
22:17 < SupSuper> nice
22:17 < SupSuper> sf{bed_alloc}: let me know if you ever update your sdl2 git clones
22:21 < SupSuper> wonder how much of my win32 abuse is gonna backfire in winrt :p
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Choose between (1): Lots, or (1): All
22:23 < SupSuper> still, so far building for uwp has been surprisingly painless
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I seem to have somehow disabled touch events...
22:23 < SupSuper> since it's still the same old visual studio workflow, it's just a matter of mashing all your source and dependencies into a uwp project and letting it compile
22:23 < SupSuper> and being glad SDL2 already did the dirty work :p
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> wtf....
22:29 < SupSuper> more event system madness?
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> probably
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> my 'current solution' is randomly sprinking 'this->markDirty();' around interesting places though...
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> blerg, looking at the Controls event handling leaves me kinda confused
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> some things react to 'normal' input
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Some things to FORMS_whatever that's derived from that
22:36 < SupSuper> yeah it's a bit messy
22:36 < SupSuper> i think the idea is controls take in raw input, and convert it into generic forms events
22:36 < SupSuper> so stages don't tie directly to raw sdl events and junk
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> The events is something that's been slowly accululating special-cases/hacks and could do with some 'design'...
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> If you feel like writing up your current issues with it & ideas it'll probably be helpful
22:45 < SupSuper> i think i've vented plenty :p
22:46 < SupSuper> i just have a hard time getting a big picture out of it
22:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't really like having two paths througn everything
22:46 < SupSuper> at the end of the day, you just want something that sends raw events to everything and avoids overlaps
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> overlaps and conflicts is kinda a good description of what we have now...
22:49 < SupSuper> well i think pmprog's initial idea wasn't too far off. just send events through, child objects first, and if it's "handled" the parents don't get to see it
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> If every event had a position
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> we could only 'handle' events in this rect
22:52 < SupSuper> that's usually how mouse events work. the rest rely on some kind of "focus"
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> then we I think the 'selected' control should be a top-level Form thing
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> not a 'control-managed' thing
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> For non-mouse events
22:53 < SupSuper> i guess you could just constantly keep track of the current "focused" element (for mouse events, "focus" is the rect), and only send events to that one, and bubble-up
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I also want to start using User events
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> for stuff like "Research Complete" notification
22:53 < SupSuper> instead of the whole tree spreading thing
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean for keyboard events
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> For everything else focus follows mouse
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure how (if?) we should do stuff like tabbing between controls...
22:54 < SupSuper> right
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> If we ignore that for now, I think "All" Control events have a position...
22:54 < SupSuper> well i mean instead of the current "the mouse is clicked, send the event through the control tree until the control that was actually hit turns it into a click"
22:55 < SupSuper> you could have the reverse: "the mouse is clicked, what is the current 'active' control. send the event to it, and bubble up"
22:55 < SupSuper> the bubbling up is important for parent-child management
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> but finding current 'current active' has to go down the tree?
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> IE if you move the mose?
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> ...mouse :P
22:56 < SupSuper> sure, but you're not sending the event itself, just determining who matters. this avoids the mess of everyone getting alerted about it
22:57 < SupSuper> and getting a few dozen clicks when you haven't even decided who should get it...
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> I still think top-down works...
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> But they should only be 'handled' by specific controls
22:57 < SupSuper> it's just a thought
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> and parent controls should only pass it to children if it's within their rect
22:58 < SupSuper> in openxcom, literally every control gets every event, and it works :p
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I might prototype a bit of this and see how it works out - after the control rendering dirty flag/some other optimisation
22:59 < SupSuper> like this is the entirety of openxcom's "event system": https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/src/Engine/InteractiveSurface.cpp#L106
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, we don't need a 'general form system' where you can do arbitrary overlaps, occlusion etc.
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> We just need as required for apoc :P
23:01 < SupSuper> we avoid the overlap problem because only "interactive" controls get events (eg. no sprites), and they never collide
23:01 < SupSuper> and there's no parent-child system so every control deals with it as is fitting
23:01 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH that's the same here
23:01 < SupSuper> it does make for a lot more redundant logic though :p but original x-com is a lot more special-case anyways
23:02 <@JonnyH`Work> if we just restricted "->Handled=true" to active controls where the event is within it's rect that'll do.. right?
23:02 < SupSuper> i think the problem in apoc is, as you said, some stuff use MouseClicks, other use ButtonClicks, it's kinda muddied
23:02 < SupSuper> and i think the Handled stuff is commented out...
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> that's caus if an event entered a control, it would *always* set it handled
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> no check for 'is this control active?' or 'Is this within my bounds?'
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01:48 <@JonnyH> sf{bed_alloc}: If you're still around
01:48 <@JonnyH> those last few changes improve the startup on my fugu android by like 2x
01:48 <@JonnyH> and "EXPERIMENTAL/dirty-controls" doubles the fps..
01:49 <@JonnyH> but breaks touch on my n5x? (and probably should be cleaned up, hence "EXPERIMENTAL" :P)
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09:00 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] sfalexrog opened pull request #68: Cuesheet parser/image reader (master...WIP/cuesheet) https://git.io/vw7Eb
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09:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH`AWay: Thanks, I'll be sure to check these out! Probably could mean gles2 devices are viable after all :v
09:08 < sf{bed_alloc}> Made cuereader a p/r because even though it seems to load the file and work just fine, it needs a review
09:08 < sf{bed_alloc}> (in my opinion, of course)
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14:28 <@JonnyH> sf{bed_alloc}: I fully intend to support GLES2 (possibly w/crazy extensions) for the pyra
14:33 < kkmic> OpenApocalypse/game/state/tileview/tile.h:82: OpenApoc::Tile* OpenApoc::TileMap::getTile(int, int, int): Assertion `x > 0' failed.
14:34 < kkmic> Aborted (core dumped)
14:34 <@JonnyH> kkmic: errm... oops
14:34 < kkmic> When starting a beginner game
14:34 <@JonnyH> in debug mode?
14:34 <@JonnyH> 0 is a perfectly valid coord=
14:34 < kkmic> Not sure, lemme check
14:34 <@JonnyH> it should be >= 0 not >0 for that check...
14:35 < kkmic> Debug
14:36 < kkmic> git pull
14:36 < kkmic> Already up-to-date.
14:36 <@JonnyH> yeah, already got the issue
14:36 <@JonnyH> I'll push a fix in seconds...
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14:37 <@JonnyH> It's pushed
14:37 < kkmic> :p
14:37 <@JonnyH> Just waiting for the irc bot to catch up :P
14:37 < kkmic> Well, that was a fast one
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14:38 <@JonnyH> I only changed that last night
14:38 < kkmic> So just a bad assert? Not an actual issue?
14:38 <@JonnyH> and clearly I shouldn't code late at night...
14:38 <@JonnyH> Naa, I changed the check from a LogError() to an assert at the same time as moving it to the header
14:38 <@JonnyH> and copy-pasta wrong :)
14:38 < kkmic> Nobody should drink and code
14:41 < kkmic> Question: what was that test_rect that hanged around a while back?
14:42 <@JonnyH> It was a quick unit-test for some of the Rect<> code, if you're talking about the thing I think you are
14:42 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH: judging by the travis logs, std::regex is broken for clang build :( (though I could probably just have used UString::split() instead)
14:43 < kkmic> Yeah, I think I'm talking about the thing you are
14:43 < kkmic> The map seems to pan a little faster today...
14:44 < kkmic> Cityscape, that is
14:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> kkmic: probably JonnyH's awesome new gles3 renderer in action
14:45 < kkmic> Could be
14:46 < kkmic> Panning the cityscape sucked :)
14:46 < sf{bed_alloc}> that reminds me, I should probably look at how it all works on windows/intel, because apparently that's still a thing: http://www.g-truc.net/post-0720.html
14:47 < kkmic> If I press up or down + left or right on the keyboard, it pans faster
14:47 < kkmic> Strafe-running?
14:48 < sf{bed_alloc}> (in my tests, gl3.2 core context is fine, gles3 context - on Windows/Intel - is oversaturated, as in fig.3)
14:49 < sf{bed_alloc}> then again, maybe it's the intended behavior, and I was just missing some gl call
14:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH: compiled upstream+dirtyrects for my n7, not seeing major performance differences wrt graphics, then again that's to be expected probably
14:56 < kkmic> Are you drawing the entire cityscape or only what's in the viewport?
14:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> not seeing major touch issues (minor issues are there, like base menu missing buildable buildings until you touch something)
14:58 < sf{bed_alloc}> kkmic: viewport + a bit more (think: a rectangle that's turned 45 degrees wrt viewport and that contains the viewport entirely)
14:59 < kkmic> I  see
15:00 <@JonnyH> sf{bed_alloc}: On my fugu, outside a particularly bad path (our renderer doesn't like fbo switching, it causes a flush of the tiler) that the dirty-controls stuff avoids
15:00 < kkmic> But you are processing the entire cityscape? Weapons, cars, ships, crashes...
15:00 <@JonnyH> It seems to be pretty much vehicles::update bound
15:00 <@JonnyH> 28ms in a 50ms frame
15:00 <@JonnyH> ~10ms constructing all the Vec2<float> positions for tiles for rendering
15:00 <@JonnyH> Maybe just the atom has a hilariously slow fpu?
15:00 < kkmic> As in everything happens regardless if it is on the screen or not
15:01 < kkmic> Benchmark time? :)
15:01 <@JonnyH> kkmic: Yup, all scenery is checked for falling, projectiles are checked for collisions, all vehicles are recalculated for missions
15:01 < kkmic> Gotta go pick up the wife, have fun doing your thing :)
15:01 <@JonnyH> kkmic: You can use some flags to get a benchmark 'mode':
15:01 <@JonnyH> 1) Make a save (default output name:save.zip)
15:01 < kkmic> I'm listening
15:02 <@JonnyH> 2) run with "./OpenApoc --load-save=save --frame-limit=100" will load the save, dump you straight into the cityscape and quit after 100 frames
15:02 <@JonnyH> as the rng is reproducable it should be a decent benchmark
15:02 <@JonnyH> (Also note - there isn't a '.zip' suffix in the --load-save option)
15:03 < kkmic> Will try it tomorrow if I'll have the time
15:03 <@JonnyH> If you --enable-tracing too
15:03 < sf{bed_alloc}> in my experience atom's performance is kinda close to some arms (I'm seeing about twice the time for vehicles::update)
15:03 <@JonnyH> it outputs an 'openapoc_trace.json' file
15:03 <@JonnyH> you can open in chrome "about:tracing"
15:03 <@JonnyH> that'll show per-frame time and some rundown of what's going on
15:03 < kkmic> You should stick that in the readme somewhere
15:03 <@JonnyH> kkmic: It's kinda itnernal only
15:03 < kkmic> Or it's a dev stuff
15:03 < kkmic> Ah, okay
15:03 <@JonnyH> We simulate *most* things, but not everything
15:03 <@JonnyH> I don't want people reading much  into it
15:04 <@JonnyH> But it's useful for comparing platforms/changes in a reproducable manner
15:04 < sf{bed_alloc}> and we could probably just use threaded rendering to not "waste" frame time in updates
15:05 <@JonnyH> sf{bed_alloc}: Naa, it's bottlenecked by the construction of the position and actually looping through the tileObject sets
15:05 <@JonnyH> The 'time in renderer' is pretty trivial now :)
15:05 <@JonnyH> You could probably thread the vehicle update() loop (as I said, ~60% of the frame time)
15:06 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, we should synchronize at some point anyway
15:06 <@JonnyH> but I worry about vehicle interactions, if 2 vehicles are trying to move to the same tile at the same time, one 'wins' in the single-thread scenario
15:06 <@JonnyH> but the multi-threaded they both could (without locking, which will probably remove the perf advantage)
15:08 <@JonnyH> If we can actually get instruction-level profiling, or a sim of the atom
15:08 <@JonnyH> we could possibly verify if it's fpu bound
15:08 <@JonnyH> but that's the biggest 'chunk' of code I can see in the vehicle->update
15:08 < sf{bed_alloc}> instancing is still broken on my n4 :( maybe it's time to seek some unofficial-but-probably-containing-latest-gpu-driver firmware?
15:08 <@JonnyH> *shrug*
15:09 <@JonnyH> Keep the 'old' gles3 renderer?
15:09 <@JonnyH> HAve a fallback 'broken device' list?
15:09 <@JonnyH> (Actually, I was going to make some improvements to gles2 - that may end up being better than the 'old' gles3)
15:13 <@JonnyH> Maybe I should move the whole tileMap to integer coordinates... :P
15:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> huh, adreno profiler has suddenly decided to work
15:15 <@JonnyH> That was nice of it
15:15 <@JonnyH> I kinda suspect we're not GPU limited?
15:15 <@JonnyH> there might be small improvements we can make WRT effeciency though
15:15 < sf{bed_alloc}> says "some active vertex attributes are not being stored in buffer objects". Maybe that's what causing weird bugs?
15:16 <@JonnyH> huh?
15:17 <@JonnyH> I'm sorry mr. Adreno Profiler
15:17 <@JonnyH> but that is simply not true...
15:17 <@JonnyH> Unless it's 'optimised' internally a silly 4-entry buffer object :P
15:17 <@JonnyH> (We do stuff like that, if it's small enough it's more efficient to copy direcly into the command stream)
15:19 <@JonnyH> does the adreno expose KHR_debug extensions/
15:19 <@JonnyH> I might add a LogWarning() or something round that
15:19 <@JonnyH> possibly behind a 'debug mode' flag...
15:19 < sf{bed_alloc}> seems so iirc
15:19 <@JonnyH> At least the mesa drivers also use that for 'performance warning' messages
15:19 <@JonnyH> so might be useful in the future
15:20 <@JonnyH> if the adreno profiler decides to stop working again
15:20 <@JonnyH> (Or might even tell us what's going on with the nexus4... does that have KHR_debug?
15:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> pretty sure it should,
15:22 <@JonnyH> right...
15:24 < sf{bed_alloc}> okay, somehow that one 4096x4096x1 r8ui texture seems completely black
15:24 <@JonnyH> hmm...
15:24 <@JonnyH> all zeros?
15:24 < sf{bed_alloc}> that's probably not a good sign, right?
15:24 <@JonnyH> Or does it just not display one-channel textures right?
15:25 <@JonnyH> You might be able to workaround that by using a GL_RED (IE not-integer texture) and multiplying the return value by 255.0f?
15:26 <@JonnyH> if it's the ui part, not the r8, that's b0rked :P
15:26 <@JonnyH> It's possible I'm doing something out-of-spec
15:26 < sf{bed_alloc}> could be both, how much should I trust a texture dump?
15:27 < sf{bed_alloc}> from a tool that's, uh, not very reliable?
15:27 <@JonnyH> but I suspect that's unlikely, as it's running fine on our driver, whatever's in my nexus 5x (qualcomm snapdragon 808?), my ivb intel desktop linux, my snb indel laptop windows, my skylake laptop windows & linux, my linux desktop mesa AMD radeon 250, my windows desktop radeon 280, my laptop radeon m265 linux mesa & windows....
15:29 < sf{bed_alloc}> pretty sure it's not the r8ui part as well, because I've tried that with my gles3 rewrite and it worked just fine
15:29 <@JonnyH> maybe trace the previous gles3 code (assuming that worked) and see if that r8ui texture is also black?
15:30 <@JonnyH> Then it's clearly the tool
15:31 < sf{bed_alloc}> probably just the profiler (I can't remember it ever producing a non-black texture, now that you've mentioned it, I've only got an idea of how sprites got packed with apitrace, but that was on desktop anyway)
15:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> some other textures are black as well (text, probably?)
15:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> wait
15:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-nEU5c76PeuR1BPYlFxVlMzc3M/view?usp=sharing
15:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> is this vertex data sane?
15:35 <@JonnyH> nope, negative screen position, for one
15:35 <@JonnyH> the others looks ok?
15:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> I'm concerned about fourth vertex
15:35 <@JonnyH> except vertex[3], which is missing a load of stuff?
15:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> shifted, rather
15:36 <@JonnyH> how queer
15:36 <@JonnyH> I'm pretty sure I don't align the last of the array differently...
15:36 <@JonnyH> I don't think you /can/ with gl
15:36 <@JonnyH> that'll explain why your weirdly coloured triangles aren't quads I guess
15:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> as for negative positions - well, that's kinda expected with the current tileview (see kkmic's question about rendering tiles)
15:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> as we don't remove offscreen tiles from rendering completely
15:37 <@JonnyH> Oh, we clamp in tilecoords, right
15:37 <@JonnyH> so there's a fair triangle of 'negative' positions :P
15:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> four triangles, probably
15:37 <@JonnyH> I'm also worried why uses_palette and page are blank
15:37 <@JonnyH> I assume it goes (0 == false == blank)
15:38 < sf{bed_alloc}> but these are ints!
15:39 < sf{bed_alloc}> it should not do that (or maybe the profiler can't understand ints?)
15:39 <@JonnyH> maybe?
15:39 <@JonnyH> Might be interesting to add a 5th vertex
15:39 <@JonnyH> that's just a copy of the 4th
15:39 <@JonnyH> and drawInstanced(5) instaed
15:40 <@JonnyH> and see if the bug is 'last vertex is screwed', or '4th vertex is screwed'
15:40 <@JonnyH> Again, assuming that isn't just more profiler weirdness, and the hw is actually using 'different' data :P
15:44 < sf{bed_alloc}> will definitely give that a try
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15:48 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: BTW did you repro the touch events not working on buttons anymore?
15:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Possibly caused by my dirty-controls?
15:48 < sf{bed_alloc}> uh, no?
15:48 < sf{bed_alloc}> how can they be, anyway?
15:48 <@JonnyH`Work> On my n5x it seems to do the highlight of the mainmenu buttons as if they've been pressed
15:48 <@JonnyH`Work> but then do nothing...
15:48 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug*
15:50 < sf{bed_alloc}> huh, maybe the fingerup event is not fired (had that one with oxc)
15:50 <@JonnyH`Work> but it stops highlighting?
15:50 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, that one _is_ weird
15:50 <@JonnyH`Work> as I said, a weird one :P
15:50 < sf{bed_alloc}> touch somewhat longer? :p
15:51 <@JonnyH`Work> meh, I'll try again after a meeting
15:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I just gave it a quick go last night
15:51 <@JonnyH`Work> and didn't really dig into anything
15:52  * sf{bed_alloc} wonders what would be the effect of JonnyH seriosly digging into the android port
15:53 < sf{bed_alloc}> would probably already run 10 times as fast at least
15:59 < sf{bed_alloc}> fifth element doesn't seem to make a rendering difference (though the profiler now displays first four vertices' data correctly)
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16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: Right, just enabled KHR_debug to the log
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> give the irc bot a second...
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16:47 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vw5yD
16:47 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 19ce650 Jonathan Hamilton: GLES3 renderer: Enable KHR_debug output if available
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16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> there we go
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe give that a go on the n4?
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> You might have to #define DEBUG_RENDERER in framework.cpp to get 'more' output
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16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> apparently it's optional for drivers to enable/disable more/less debug output based on that flag...
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17:59 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2e032b1 Jonathan Hamilton: Some compilers don't like Function(type) if 'type' is typedef'd to void
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18:10 < SupSuper> hey
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> hi
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18:51 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 377b638 Jonathan Hamilton: Optimise StatRef<> resolving a bit...
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19:14 < SupSuper> really getting all these ms huh :p
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> THis is what I love
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Well defined requirements
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Easy to measure
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Quick iteration time
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> What more could you ask for? :P
19:16 < SupSuper> a sane event system? ;)
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> pff, that requires thought...
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't do that in 20 minute bursts while waiting for other things
19:32 < SupSuper> down to 245 errors in openxcom-universal :D
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19:34 < SupSuper> and 200 of those are from cheeky uses of win32 :p
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19:35 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e925806 Jonathan Hamilton: Optimise vehicle::update() for vehicles with multiple weapons...
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19:37 < SupSuper> i figured sf{bed_alloc} would have gotten rid of most of these crossplatform nasties, but apparently he just ifdef'd them away...
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Meh, cross-platform code doesn't exist... Not really :P
19:38 < SupSuper> well at least those that were fixed in sdl2 :p
19:39 < SupSuper> hmmm how does messing with files in a submodule work out?
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> A submodule is just a default head revision for the git repo
19:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> commit changes in submodule, then commit submodule - something like that
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> If you change stuff you need to commit in the submodule, then update the submodule head in the parent & commit that,
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah,m that :P
19:41 < SupSuper> ah
19:41 < SupSuper> bet vs doesn't support that :p
19:41 < sf{bed_alloc}> and don't forget to push everything because that's submodules for you
19:42 < sf{bed_alloc}> don't they already have linux in windows anyway?
19:42 < sf{bed_alloc}> just use git from the command line :p
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: down to 36ms frames on fugu
19:42 < sf{bed_alloc}> O_O
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> 1080p@30 goodness
19:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> cinematic experience!
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Pff, the human eye can't see over 24fps anyway
19:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> if the bugs persist, I'll probably just try one of those unofficial android 6 builds for mako
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> and ~60% of that frame time is due to fact that there are millions of vehicles in the map - which is quite a bit more than the 'vanilla' ever did
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but I like having a more 'alive' city :)
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I want traffic jams to be a real issue
19:46 < Colombo1> JonnyH`Work: 24fps? Where did you get this nonsense?
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I find things just _look better_ on an xbox than my pc
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> :P (/sarcasm btw :)
19:47 < SupSuper> sf{bed_alloc}: what are the odds of you updating your sdl mirrors :D
19:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> there seems to be an up-to-date driver for adreno 320 for n7, and there are reports of it working for n4 on marshmallow
19:48 < sf{bed_alloc}> SupSuper: ugh... probably if I manage to make hg_import work more than once?
19:48 < SupSuper> fine i'll just scour the internet :p
19:50 < sf{bed_alloc}> damn, looks like khr_debug is not supported, time to finally upgrade I guess
19:53 < SupSuper> oh god sdl_gfx is still on svn..
19:53 < SupSuper> then again it only updates once every year
19:53 < SupSuper> i think we were the most activity it had :p
19:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> you'd want a special patch for it to work with sdl2
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't quite hit locked 60fps with a more sane number of vehicles...
19:55 < sf{bed_alloc}> probably this one: https://github.com/sfalexrog/OpenXcom/blob/sdl2/patches/SDL_gfx-SDL2.patch
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> But with those recent change we're once again render-loop limited at slowest speed
20:09 < sf{bed_alloc}> also, JonnyH`Work, about those touch events not firing - I *guess* that's due to the hacky way of needing to send an event twice? maybe it somehow got deleted for touches?
20:10 < sf{bed_alloc}> I'm not sure if that was ever in the master for touches
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm reasonably sure it was working on my n5x before I started making changed
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> but I didn't check it wasn't a bad partial build or anything
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> (At least changing headers doesn't seem to cause complete rebuilds - if there was a mismatch anything could happen :)
20:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> maybe a mismerge or something?
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think so
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> as I said, I had at least one other issue that was due to gradle not correctly rebuilding sources where headers were modified
20:22 < SupSuper> sf{bed_alloc}: doesn't sdl2_gfx work?
20:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> it's another thing completely, I believe it uses sdl_textures as targets
20:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> no, I'm wrong: it uses SDL_renderer
20:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> but still won't really help you
20:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> if you want to draw to an sdl_surface
20:24 < SupSuper> guess i'll just clone yours
20:25 < SupSuper> curiously sdl2 has primitives that use renderer as well... wonder what's up with that
20:25 < SupSuper> i guess if you get the draw order right it won't matter anyways
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20:26 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH`Work: guess what, updating to some weird, built-by-God-knows-whom marshmallow firmware fixed my graphics issues
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> well, that's nice...
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Hopefully they don't use the same method we use - by putting hw-specific workarounds/bugs as compile-time selection not runtime...
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> assuming you've wedged in a driver from a 'different' device :)
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20:28 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, if I understand correctly n4 and n7 *should* have the same soc...
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> We've had different rtl revisions in the 'same' device before :P
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> let alone the same soc 'marketing name'
20:30 < SupSuper> oh great, UWP support for sdl2_image/sdl2_mixer is only available in source. i don't wanna have to get another client...
20:31 < sf{bed_alloc}> now to get gapps and restore everything...
20:31 < sf{bed_alloc}> SupSuper: you mean hg?
20:32 < SupSuper> yeah
20:33 < SupSuper> oh phew, hg lets you just grab a zip
20:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> but what about source controls! also, it's almost-but-not-quite git and is written in python
20:35 < SupSuper> this is why i hate dependencies :p
20:36 < SupSuper> wait, you have different sdl2s for openxcom and openapoc?
20:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> openapoc one might be stripped down?
20:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> but yeah, openapoc one is newer
20:37 < SupSuper> blah
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC everything 'useful' in hg is also a plugin, not a default-enabled thing
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> but other than that it was pretty good - we used it at work for a while
20:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> or maybe I'm mixing stuff up... I probably ended up just including the "relevant" parts of sdl2 directly in openapoc_android tree, just to save some sanity (because apparently I'm missing something, but in gradle I have to specify which files/paths I *don't* want to include in the build)
21:04 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/oGn7E/5bca802a89.png this isn't even my final form
21:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> what's up with -uwp and _uwp mixups
21:06 < SupSuper> the _uwp already came with sdl :p the rest i made myself
21:06 < sf{bed_alloc}> looks kinda like how openapoc used to
21:06 < SupSuper> sorry, -uwp are the sdl ones
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> so.. when can I play openxcom on my xbone?
21:07 < SupSuper> hope there's a mouse addon for that...
21:07 < SupSuper> annoyingly, SDL2_image doesn't have UWP projects yet: https://forums.libsdl.org/viewtopic.php?p=50206
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Bah, I'm struggling to get the TileView::Render below ~9.5ms...
21:08 < SupSuper> but SupSuper! surely upgrading some 8.1 projects to UWP is a quick and painless process! uh well https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt148501.aspx#MigrateCPlusPlus
21:08 < sf{bed_alloc}> kb+mouse on an xbone? think about all these 13 year old kids who think they're good at shooters!
21:10 < sf{bed_alloc}> wonder if kinect can be somehow mapped to touch controls :v
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> "To Rage-quit, start swearing and flip over your coffee table"
21:11 < sf{bed_alloc}> isn't it a "reload your latest save" gesture?
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> No, that's "Muttered swears as the vein on your forehead starts to bulge"
21:12 < sf{bed_alloc}> in other news, looks like I'm going to find out how much of a pain in the ass it is to reinstall my steam authenticator
21:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> would be fun if I'm going to be locked out of my steam account because of a desire to "update" video drivers :v
22:04 < SupSuper> well looks like openxcom-uwp won't be coming any time soon. damn dependencies...
22:06 <@JonnyH`Work> The curse of 'not programming, but you still have to do it...'
22:06 < SupSuper> at least it's prompted me to clean up CrossPlatform a bit
22:07 < SupSuper> and sdl2 has a nice __WINRT__ define. that file is about to get a whole lot bigger :p
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe have a CrossPlatform.cpp that #includes "CrossPlatform_Linux.inl" / "CrossPlatform_Win32.inl" whatever?
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> if you don't want to change the file to be buildsystem selected
22:09 < SupSuper> well between ifdef'ing or breaking out the shared parts, i'm not sure what's worse
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> how much is shared between linux & win32
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> that isn't shared between _every_ platform?
22:12 < SupSuper> well the problem is linux actually means linux/bsd/haiku/morphos/android/etc/etc
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> #include "CrossPlatform_Unix.cpp" then :P
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> or POSIX
22:13 < SupSuper> and those all have a bunch of "shared linux" and "specific bit for this one little distro"
22:13 < SupSuper> and sometimes win32 happens to support the posix api :p
22:15 < SupSuper> out of curiosity, win32 stuff that isn't available in uwp: SHGetFolderPathA, PathAppendA, PathRemoveFileSpecA, PathIsDirectoryA, PathFileExistsA, GetLocaleInfoA, StrCmpLogicalW, FlashWindow, LoadIcon, GetDateFormatA, GetTimeFormatA
22:16 < SupSuper> so either stuff that is not agnostic or makes no sense in that context. fair enough
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22:21 < SupSuper> now i just have to wait for sf{bed_alloc} to update his openxcom branch ;)
22:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> um, update == sync with upstream?
22:23 < SupSuper> right
22:24 < SupSuper> i'm pretty sure only 1 person is gonna use this port, but at least it's a good exercise :p
22:25 < SupSuper> although openapoc probably would've been easier...
22:26 < sf{bed_alloc}> you should probably start by writing a directx renderer :v
22:26 < SupSuper> oh yeah, no opengl in uwp...
22:27 < SupSuper> although there's this: https://github.com/MSOpenTech/angle
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> ugh, gradle builds /all/ cpp files in a subdir tree?
22:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH`Work: unless you explicitly exclude them with ignore in gradle.build
22:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> https://github.com/sfalexrog/openapoc_android/blob/WIP/gles3_bugs/OpenApoc/build.gradle#L320
22:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> uh, ignore == exclude
22:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> (bet there's probably a much better and easier way of doing this, but oh what the hell)
22:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> SupSuper: that's still gles2 (and maybe gles3), also do you have to build it with your project or is this a system-wide library?
22:39 < sf{bed_alloc}> I'll probably rewrite opengl backend at some point anyway, I've already tried it about a year ago and even got some shaders to work (not those bundled with oxc, but still)
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> right, eastl _does_ show some decent improvements on android
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> but not really on a desktop...
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> and it'll be  a _lot_ of work to integrate...
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22:47 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 606b6e7 Jonathan Hamilton: Add trace points for GameState::saveGame and loadGame
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22:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> okay, let's see how badly I've merged yet again...
22:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> somehow git+meld keeps doing weird stuff to my branch, overwriting my changes again and again
22:59 < SupSuper> i moved Logger::now() around fyi
23:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, noticed that
23:00 < SupSuper> now all the nasty platform errors are in one place :p
23:00 < SupSuper> also building the latest yaml-cpp without boost seems to work fine
23:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> it's just that it keeps reverting stuff lke _color[i].a to _color[i].unused
23:00 < SupSuper> weird
23:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> and makes me forget to re-include CrossPlatform.h all over the place
23:01 < SupSuper> well feel free to send upstream any changes that would help the both of us
23:02 < sf{bed_alloc}> right now everything seems to work just fine, don't know what to fix to be honest
23:03 < sf{bed_alloc}> okay, it compiled for arm, usually means there's nothing too broken
23:03 < SupSuper> also you should probably get rid of openxcom.2013 if you're not gonna maintain it :p
23:03 < sf{bed_alloc}> now to wait for armv7, x86 and x86-64
23:03 < SupSuper> i don't use it but it's just misleading
23:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, I should probably update it some day (editing .2010 means I'm gonna get screwed every time there's an update to the upstream project)
23:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> and having a working vs2013 project tends to be quite an asset sometimes
23:07 < sf{bed_alloc}> especially since I can't be bothered to convert android project from .mk files to full gradle-experimental (and android studio acts as if it doesn't know anything about cpp if you don't build through gradle...)
23:08 < SupSuper> shame vs doesn't take wildcards
23:11 < sf{bed_alloc}> it could also be a bit more friendly with suggesting relative paths and macro substitutions
23:12 < SupSuper> luckily setting up a new vs project is just a matter of making a new project > Show All Files > right-click src folder > Include In Project
23:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> but will it set up filters according to your folder structure?
23:13 < SupSuper> god no :p
23:14 < SupSuper> if your repository is tidy it's simpler to just use Show All Files all the time (it's what i do for openapoc anyways)
23:16 < sf{bed_alloc}> I tend to not find my files quickly that way (sometimes I miss the double-shift search from android studio/idea)
23:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I pretty much always use filename search/tag search myself
23:17 < SupSuper> you can do Ctrl+, in vs for that (yeah it's not really obvious...)
23:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh well, looks like intro playing is broken :<
23:36 < SupSuper> i don't even remember it working :p
23:37 < SupSuper> the only fix i remember doing to the intro in the last few months was a missing setPalette
23:39 < sf{bed_alloc}> probably a mismerge again :<
23:43 < SupSuper> clearly you should just move all your custom code changes to AndroidPleaseDontChange.cpp
23:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> huuuh, looks like openxcom just outright ignores my fingers
23:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> no, not that easy
23:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> stops updating the screen at some point
23:58 < sf{bed_alloc}> maybe a buggy system?
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00:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, looks like that, apparently...
00:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> nexus 7 runs just fine
00:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> "ah, just ship it!"
00:03 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh, I just had a bad config apparently!
00:04 < sf{bed_alloc}> that's why you always want a clean install
00:07 < sf{bed_alloc}> SupSuper: https://github.com/sfalexrog/OpenXcom/tree/sdl2 - good enough?
00:19 < sf{bed_alloc}> ...and for some reason even the "selected weapon" rectangle is not bugged...
00:20 < sf{bed_alloc}> (or not, looks like it's more or less device-dependent?)
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00:42 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8dc89d4 Jonathan Hamilton: Make TraceEvents allocate a chunk at a time, shrink from 72 to 64 bytes on x86_64 linux...
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14:59 < Pawlac_1> hmm
15:00 <@JonnyH> hmm?
15:00 < Pawlac_1> Is there a tutorial how to run X-Com Apoc under loonix with dosbox?
15:00 < Pawlac_1> appearntly it seems it is a bit different then on windoze one
15:00 <@JonnyH> ..it works for me with exactly the same dosbox.conf that ships with the steam version for me :)
15:01 <@JonnyH> just run 'dosbox' from the 'XCom Apocalypse' dir (IE with dosbox.comf/cd.iso/whatever in)
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18:57 < SupSuper> hey
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> hola
19:20 < SupSuper> goddamn git submodule is bad
19:20 < SupSuper> i thought "git submodule update" would update any submodules that had new changes in the remote
19:20 < SupSuper> instead, it discarded any of my local changes to those submodules :I
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> what version of git are you using?
19:21 < SupSuper> latest
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC submodules default to a specific sha, not HEAD or a branch
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> If you expected 'git submodule update' to change the head?
19:24 < SupSuper> well they added a feature to track branches, but apparently that's not the command i wanted
19:24 < SupSuper> instead you have to git pull each submodule you wanna bring up to date, and checkout master back on the submodules you left in a headless state
19:24 < SupSuper> live and learn
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, submodules are 'sha' by default (detached head, so even if it happened to be a head it's lost)
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19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I few times I've accidently 'reverted' submodule updates by not updating on another checkout
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> and then 'git add -u' without checking ;)
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20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Ok... So... Events
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21:12 < SupSuper> apparently building for uwp is extra stringent about compiler warnings
21:12 < SupSuper> "unused variable! can't compile"
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> -Werror is a cancer...
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I hope they don't enable -Wnarrowing/-Wsign-conversion, otherwise openapoc is going to explode...
21:25 < SupSuper> they do enable those dumb fopen_s warnings, luckily you can still define them away :p
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> They're not bugs, they're just "more difficult to use correctly"
21:26 < SupSuper> "use these non-standard functions instead!"
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> and for whatever reason they went for the _s versions instead of the strn versins
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> claiming that a failure on truncation is better than just returning how many chars were written...
21:43 < SupSuper> "potentially uninitialized local pointer variable 'args' used" what
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I've mad msvc go "Function may not return a falure"
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> for if(A) { return A; } else { return B; }
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> falure = value
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I was thinking of both failure and value, and went for both
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22:34 < SupSuper> wait, what am i supposed to do when the warning comes from *inside the system header*
22:35 < SupSuper> oh it's probably a template
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> the call came from *INSIDE THE HOUSE*
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> gcc has an '-isystem' include path option
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> so it can be told to ignore stuff from 'system' paths
22:49 < SupSuper> well it seems when compiling for mobile platforms, msvc enforces stricter flags
22:49 < SupSuper> for native code
22:49 < SupSuper> i guess they don't want you bricking their devices?
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> If you *can* brick the device from a userspace app
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> You kinda deserve what you get :P
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23:58 < SupSuper> woo, down to only 2 compile errors in uwp
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00:00 < SupSuper> also i found the one situation where msvc is the *standards* compiler
00:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, really, stop playing with me...
00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, got the 'easy' part of the VideoPlayer working
00:02 < SupSuper> apparently every other compiler decided to come up with a #warning flag... except msvc
00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> #pragma warning instead?
00:02 < SupSuper> yup
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02:38 <@JonnyH`Work> blerg, sdl_raw audio backend is kinda b0rked for streaming music...
02:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Other than that, WIP/smk now plays videos :)
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18:44 < Skin36> hi
18:44 <@JonnyH> hey Skin36
18:44 < Skin36> how things
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18:46 <@JonnyH> Good
18:47 <@JonnyH> Got the smk player working yesterday
18:47 <@JonnyH> which just revealed lots of bugs in the SDL audio backend...
18:47 <@JonnyH> Which I've pretty much just completely rewritten...
18:47 < Skin36> I'm trying to understand the second week of how the generation of vehicles )
18:49 < SupSuper> JonnyH: it was inevitable huh :p
18:50 < SupSuper> out of curiosity, what kind of bugs? because it worked out for us, though we're not in sdl2
18:51 <@JonnyH> Specific to our backend
18:51 <@JonnyH> Like it was playing 'music' by reading the _Whole_ file into memory
18:51 <@JonnyH> instead of 'streaming' in chunks, which you have to do for video as it's got a new audio chunk per frame
18:52 <@JonnyH> not libsdl bugs, but framework/sound/sdlraw_backend.cpp
18:52 < Skin36> First, using two arrays are created vehocles for the organization, it is a general list. Then, it was under attack from this list are selected some vehicles. As it happens, I can not understand. But this is not a random sample.
18:52 < SupSuper> ah
18:53 < SupSuper> i'm shocked how the "load the *whole* thing into memory" didn't become apparent before, given apoc's raw music format
18:54 <@JonnyH> Adding a trace shows it took ~10ms on my desktop i7...
18:54 <@JonnyH> It also did that and audio conversion in-callback
18:54 <@JonnyH> so it would pretty much always miss some buffers when doing stuff like that
18:54 <@JonnyH> and if it didn't exactly line up to the audio buffer size it would spew noise in the last bit :)
18:55 <@JonnyH> which we probably didn't notice as that'll only be at track transition
18:55 <@JonnyH> as each 'chunk' was the whole track in length :P
18:57 < Skin36> By the way, each track has a name)
19:01 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-2tfn6TMr3/
19:02 < Skin36> 3 track buffer
19:02 < SupSuper> any interesting names?
19:03 <@JonnyH> oh,and msvc std::chrono is completely broken...
19:03 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-2tfn6TMr4/
19:04 < Skin36> names
19:05 < SupSuper> i guess they were originally separate files like the sounds and were packed together for... reasons?
19:06 <@JonnyH> limited open files in dos?
19:07 < SupSuper> well they'd be less than the sounds
19:07 < SupSuper> maybe it was handier for streaming big chunks
19:07 <@JonnyH> Don't have to worry as much about track progression? Just keep going?
19:08 < SupSuper> at least this clarifies which tracks belong to which "group"
19:09 < Skin36> continue to goes the length and offset
19:09 <@JonnyH> I have officially found something I want to use that is only available in msvc2015...
19:09 < SupSuper> lol
19:10 <@JonnyH> and doesn't seem easy to work around...
19:13 <@JonnyH> errm... would it annoy everyone if I pushed a msvc2015 requiremnet?
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19:24 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a0c35c3 Jonathan Hamilton: Remove ignorecase.c,h from build...
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19:25 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH opened pull request #69: Add SMK video player, Rewrite SDLRaw sound backend (master...WIP/smk) https://git.io/vwpJu
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19:25 <@JonnyH> I don't just want to push a change like that stepping on toes - please comment on the merge request!
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19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Does adding a review request magically tag you? Or do I have to 'mention' you or something?
19:33 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: where?
19:34 < SupSuper> oh a pull request? i only get notified if i subscribe, though you can also namedrop me for a guaranteed notification
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> github push requests
19:34 < SupSuper> video player isn't really my specialty though :p
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I just named you...
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> It's more 'Is moving to 2015 going to annoy you'?
19:34 < SupSuper> oh i'm a dev of the repository so i get notified anyways
21:03 < SupSuper> well i have both vs2013 and vs2015 so this is fine by me :p sf probably doesn't use vs, pmprog might have an opinion
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I also attached sf as it's 'his' sdlraw audio stuff I ended up poking
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I might have missed something important he'd notice
21:07 < SupSuper> well not loading a whole 300mb file is probably handy for android :p
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I also started scribbling down things to show off in a video this weekend
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Plus the video masks a fair bit of the loading :P
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> it takes ~10 seconds to just load the ui
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work>  and most of that is GetCorrectTileName...
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> As the APK reader is really slow at enumerating files...
21:10 < SupSuper> i'm still shocked you got video up that fast :p
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> the a/v is out of sync by a few frame though...
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> they're timed right from the 'start'
21:11 < SupSuper> not sure why vs has Mixed Platforms now
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> but for whatever reason the first frame on my qcomm device is like ~200ms...
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Was that me? I tried to add libsmacker, but for some reason it only setup win32
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> and tried to link a win32 library to an x64 build -_-
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> so I added x64 'manually'
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and the video was the easy bit...
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21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, push time...
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21:36 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #69: Add SMK video player, Rewrite SDLRaw sound backend (master...WIP/smk) https://git.io/vwpJu
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21:51 < SupSuper> i forget, is this how flags work: (data.dwFileAttributes & FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY) != 0
21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess so? If it's a bit flag
22:26 < SupSuper> well fixed all the compiler errors
22:27 < SupSuper> and disabled opengl for uwp :p
22:27 < SupSuper> of course now, there's the linker errors...
22:36 < SupSuper> funny we only use sdl_image in one place, we wouldn't need it if everyone used png :p
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22:54 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d48c30d Jonathan Hamilton: Fix crash at exit if a music thread happens to be running
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23:38 < SupSuper> well that was a fun rebuild. openapoc still wins the award for most complex compile process :p
23:38 <@JonnyH`Work> cmake .; make
23:38 <@JonnyH`Work> what more do you want?
23:38 < SupSuper> not taking half an hour :p
23:39 <@JonnyH`Work> make -j
23:39 < SupSuper> also you forgot git submodule update ;)
23:39 <@JonnyH`Work> What do you mean you're not running a dual-socket 8-core xeon with 64gb ram?
23:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't be expected to support _everyone_
23:39 < SupSuper> wait why do we have boost chrono if we have std chrono?
23:42 < SupSuper> C2664	'void (gles_wrap::gles3::KHR_debug::GLDEBUGPROC,const gles_wrap::gles3::GLvoid *)': cannot convert argument 1 from 'overloaded-function' to 'gles_wrap::gles3::KHR_debug::GLDEBUGPROC'	framework	D:\SupFiles\Coding Projects\OpenApoc\framework\render\gles30_v2\ogles_3_0_renderer_v2.cpp	1544	
23:42 < SupSuper> you broke it :p
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00:13 <@JonnyH`Work> errm... more reinterpret_cast<>?
00:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that uwp?
00:21 <@JonnyH`Work> or win32 -_-
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00:28 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 5d213b3 Jonathan Hamilton: Annotate KHR_debug proc with apientry...
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00:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Happy *grumble grumble*
00:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, I'm off, have a good evening
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10:08 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: nice job on the intro video :)
10:08 < SupSuper> seems to be synced up fine for me
10:08 < SupSuper> the volume sliders no longer work though
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10:28 < Kaljakoppa> OMG we need a proggress video!
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21:15 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f7ecd9d Jonathan Hamilton: Fix audio volume setting...
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21:50 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7b2f3d2 Jonathan Hamilton: Start the game at midday
21:50 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master bfddfa1 Jonathan Hamilton: Add interpolated palette based on time of day in the CityView
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21:56 < SupSuper> ohhhh shinies
21:56 < SupSuper> let me know if you want me to finish something up for the video
21:56 <@JonnyH> I'm going to do it tomorrow
21:56 <@JonnyH> I just want to get a 'research complete' dialog
21:57 <@JonnyH> There's still the glaring hole of 'items'
21:57 <@JonnyH> then we can add item dependencies to the REsearch
21:57 <@JonnyH> and research dependencies to buildable base modules
21:57 < SupSuper> 'items' aren't something i can just finish up :p
21:58 <@JonnyH> I already have a 'silly' hack for the equip screen...
21:58 <@JonnyH> I suspect most of our core systems are 'silly' hacks that slowly outgrew their purpose
22:25 < SupSuper> we really need to clean up the vehicle equip screen :p
22:25 <@JonnyH> Has it got dusty?
22:25 < SupSuper> it's all hacks instead of ui
22:27 <@JonnyH> True
22:27 <@JonnyH> After research I was going to look at agents, that could extend to the equip screen
22:27 <@JonnyH> I assume a lot of commonality there means I'll end up rewriting half the vequipscreen...
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22:43 < SupSuper> figures id should jump at this: http://www.pcgamer.com/id-software-shows-doom-running-on-gtx-1080-using-vulkan/
22:45 <@JonnyH> I read the headlines of the nvidia event, I'm kinda cautious, as the numbers they claim are pretty crazy...
22:48 <@JonnyH> And considering the regulay hype for Tegra, and every time them being at best cherry picked (or pretty much lies...) I'm not holding my breath
22:49 < SupSuper> well id are pretty much the only aaa developer caring about opengl and co.
22:49 < SupSuper> which pretty much means it'll run great on a few cards and shit on everything else :p
22:51 <@JonnyH> Honestly, if you're GPU limited you'll probably get nothing out of vulkan....
22:53 < SupSuper> btw switching to vs2015 actually seems to have sped up compilation, it seems to be smarter about what needs to be rebuilt
22:54 <@JonnyH> It also seems cache previous builds for the LTCG stuff
22:54 <@JonnyH> at least it prints out some messages implying that :)
22:54 < SupSuper> yeah
22:54 < SupSuper> 4>  Generating code
22:54 < SupSuper> 4>  384 of 36898 functions ( 1.0%) were compiled, the rest were copied from previous compilation.
22:54 < SupSuper> 4>    63 functions were new in current compilation
22:54 < SupSuper> 4>    428 functions had inline decision re-evaluated but remain unchanged
22:54 < SupSuper> 4>  Finished generating code
22:55 <@JonnyH> I still love the way the msvc optimiser is pretty ancient compared to other stuff, it's intra-function analysis is kinda pants
22:55 <@JonnyH> Though apparently they're released a new backend for testing the other day...
22:56 <@JonnyH> TBH we could probably disable the LTCG stuff anyway, as it doesn't gain as much as it did
22:59 < SupSuper> LTCG?
22:59 <@JonnyH> link time code generation? LTO (Link Time Optimisation) in non-msvc verms
22:59 <@JonnyH> cross-.cpp file optimisation, inlining etc.
22:59 < SupSuper> ah
23:00 <@JonnyH> It was pretty necessary as without it 2013 really failed for some of the tilemap stuff...
23:00 <@JonnyH> but that seems to be less of an issue (not sure if 2015 'fixed' it, a new 2013 version, or just changing the code)
23:00 < SupSuper> well 2015 had a significant c++ push
23:02 <@JonnyH> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/05/04/new-code-optimizer/
23:03 <@JonnyH> At least they're trying to fix stuff :)
23:04 < SupSuper> windows core c++ base is probably game devs anyways which never update and optimize way beyond the compiler anyways :p
23:08 <@JonnyH> Generally, I feel like the msvc compiler is great for simple, clear loops & hot paths
23:08 <@JonnyH> but you add a few layers of abstractions/containers/whatever fancyness and GCC's your man
23:10 <@JonnyH> Anyway, I've gotta run
23:10 <@JonnyH> Hopefully get time to record something tomorrow :)
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23:36 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 964afcc SupSuper: Don't log empty strings as we use them everywhere
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23:59 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 25ed8a9 SupSuper: Added title to Vehicle Equip screen
23:59 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c2b08c7 SupSuper: Moved current city and base to game state, since multiple stages can change it
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16:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 331943e SupSuper: Add research dependencies to base facilities
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16:10 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: things i can't figure out: how to hide the unused "cells" facility, how to make facility build time actually tick down
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16:27 <@JonnyH> I guess we'll need to add a updateDaily() callback?
16:27 <@JonnyH> I was thinking about making the cells/whatever depend on 'research' that can never be completed
16:28 < SupSuper> i tried that but then the game crashes over the research not existing :p
16:28 <@JonnyH> Same with the weekly 'new' stuff, have  a WEEK0 research item all 'normal' items are dependent on
16:28 <@JonnyH> then a WEEK1 for the hawk air warrior, whatever else is on the next week
16:28 < SupSuper> also i can't check if facilities show a messagebox on completion because days take SO LONG in apoc :p
16:29 <@JonnyH> Add a 'progress day' debug button to the ingameoptions?
16:29 < SupSuper> well i mean in original apoc
16:29 <@JonnyH> It takes I was going to say, at turbo is goes through maybe 2 hours a second for me.. :P
16:30 < SupSuper> specially with all the events you have to sit through
16:30 < SupSuper> either way, i think you got enough for a video ;)
16:31 < SupSuper> people will miss the pew-pews though
16:31 <@JonnyH> You can turn off events inthe ingameoptions
16:31 <@JonnyH> but it'll have to 'slow down' when ufos appear?
16:31 < SupSuper> yeah
16:32 < SupSuper> might be faster to just hexedit a save :p
16:32 <@JonnyH> Possibly?
16:32 <@JonnyH> What do you want to test anyway?
16:32 < SupSuper> just wanted to see if it notified you at all or not
16:35 < SupSuper> ok it does just show you a messagebox
16:36 <@JonnyH> I think so, one for each completed facility after you exit the 'end of day' screen?
16:36 <@JonnyH> From memory...
16:36 < SupSuper> so i guess we'll need some kind of game event notification so we can push messageboxes in the sage
16:36 < SupSuper> *stage
16:36 <@JonnyH> Modal message boxes could just push themselves onto the stage stack?
16:37 <@JonnyH> The whole stageCmd thing is to we don't delete 'this'
16:37 <@JonnyH> really it's only needed for pop (and quit, I suppose)
16:38 <@JonnyH> TBH we could probably do something like Framework::Run() takes a sp<> ref on the stage it's Update()ing
16:38 <@JonnyH> then it will be free to 'pop' itself without worry
16:38 <@JonnyH> as it knows it won't actually be deleted
16:38 <@JonnyH> if that's a better flow
16:38 < SupSuper> the current system isn't very flexible anyways as we can't do multiple push/pops
16:39 <@JonnyH> I was thinking exactly that for the 'research complete' dialog
16:39 <@JonnyH> As in it'll push the 'research' screen
16:39 <@JonnyH> but if you select 'show ufopaedia' it pushes the ufopaeida on top of /that/
16:39 <@JonnyH> so exiting the ufopaedia goes to the research screen
16:39 <@JonnyH> I might have a look at that today...
16:39 <@JonnyH> If we think that's a decent idea :)
16:40 < SupSuper> everything's a decent idea until we actually see the code and curse ourselves :p
16:40 <@JonnyH> Right, I'll implement it
16:40 <@JonnyH> and do a 'pull request' we can treat as a review
16:40 < SupSuper> on that note, don't look at the new BaseStage :)
16:41 <@JonnyH> It's getting to the point where me going in and hacking/slashing things until they work for me is no longer a great idea...
16:41 <@JonnyH> (If it ever was...)
16:41 <@JonnyH> So expect more 'review requests' from me ;)
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17:02 < Skin36> hi
17:06 < Skin36> I wrote on a forum about the function of the time of day changing
17:20 <@JonnyH> Hi Skin36 - thanks again :D
17:20 <@JonnyH> I already implemented this yesterday - looking back at your IRC comments from *ages* ago :P
17:21 <@JonnyH> And I think I did it right (3am-6am, 6am-9am, 3pm-6pm, 6pm-9pm as the transitions
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17:21 < SupSuper> speaking of, you left some unused variables :p i assumed it was WIP
17:22 <@JonnyH> Oh, pal_1 replaced by palette1 and forgot to delete the old one? :P
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17:24 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c2f258a Jonathan Hamilton: Remove unused variables
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17:24 < SupSuper> that and more: http://puu.sh/oKHyy/b5957e0880.png
17:25 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I originally wrote it interpolating using 2 floats
17:25 <@JonnyH> then went "Hey, wait, I have a mix() function for stuff like this...
17:25 < SupSuper> funny how it can only flag primitives as unused, possibly because of hidden sideffects
17:31 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I guess an out of line constructor can do *anything*
17:31 <@JonnyH> And I use that for the TraceObj stuff - you don't want it going 'Oh, that's dead, I'll remove it'...
17:35 < SupSuper> reminds me of this: http://jeffq.com/blog/when-code-is-suspiciously-fast-adventures-in-dead-code-elimination/
17:35 <@JonnyH> msvc2013 also does 'weird' stuff with scope
17:36 <@JonnyH> If you use that to trace you get out-of-order start/end tags
17:36 <@JonnyH> which is 'out of spec' :P
17:43 < SupSuper> also half of the gl rendering code is reported as "unused" because they're basically crazy macro magic :p
17:43 <@JonnyH> crazy macro magic?
17:43 <@JonnyH> Where?
17:44 < SupSuper> well crazy gl magic
17:44 <@JonnyH> I guess if it doesn't realise glWhatever() does something
17:44 < SupSuper> i assume stuff like "ActiveTexture a(unit);" actually changes some state and isn't just dummy variables
17:45 <@JonnyH> You mean crazy constructor magic? :P
17:46 < SupSuper> i mean crazy :P
17:53 < SupSuper> speaking of crazy, today i learned operator overloads don't have to be bidirectional
17:54 <@JonnyH> TBH the fact that msvc2013 clearly does the traceObj stuff 'wrong', which uses the same pattern as the Surface/GL binding stuff
17:54 <@JonnyH> makes me a little worried...
17:54 < SupSuper> you can do StateRef == shared_ptr but not shared_ptr == StateRef
17:54 <@JonnyH> Ha, have you never done "string" + std::string(whatever)?
17:54 <@JonnyH> and wondered why it doesn't work?
17:55 < SupSuper> not since they added "string"s :p
17:56 <@JonnyH> We could add an out-of-class operator==(sp<>, StateRef<>) that should that, if you want
17:56 < SupSuper> still not as bad as doing "number of things: " + 5
17:57 <@JonnyH> or 5["string"]
17:58 <@JonnyH> that probably won't work in c++ though :P
18:05 < SupSuper> it does actually
18:06 < SupSuper> it'll earn you a stern finger-wagging though :P
18:06 <@JonnyH> More than a stern finger-waggling I'd hope...
18:07 < SupSuper> along with doing 0 == x
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18:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 953ac34 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix research progression
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18:25 < SupSuper> can't seem to figure out why a MouseEnter event isn't firing...
18:25 <@JonnyH> Is it getting the Mousemove event?
18:29 < SupSuper> *shrug*
18:29 < SupSuper> it fires fine in the BaseScreen but not in the ResearchScreen
18:29 <@JonnyH> Printf debugging :)
18:30 < SupSuper> and breakpointing events is just asking for a headache
18:30 <@JonnyH> I always do conditional breakpoints on the type at a location
18:30 <@JonnyH> anything else is madness :)
18:39 < SupSuper> found the problem and it was dumber than i expected
18:41 < SupSuper> apparently we don't have any sanity checks for duplicate ui id's... so it's a gamble whatever FindControl dedices to return :p
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18:42 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6b5f4fe SupSuper: Don't need to reload current base
18:42 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4ab66bd SupSuper: Remove duplicate items
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19:49 <@JonnyH> https://youtu.be/heP_T4Fu2MY
19:51 < Kaljakoppa> Fug yes :)
19:52 < Pawlac> great progress man
19:53 <@JonnyH> Hopefully you can actually hear me blither over the top
19:53 <@JonnyH> Let me know if that's a good idea, what can be improved etc.
19:54 < Pawlac> well maybe turn up your mic volume a little bit higher
19:55 <@JonnyH> that was unfortunately the highest it will go... :)
19:55 <@JonnyH> I tried to renormalize it a bit, but I thought youtube did total-video normalization anyway?
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20:02 < SupSuper> JonnyH: usually you fix it in post-edit instead of recording everything together
20:02 < SupSuper> it's more reliable
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20:03 <@JonnyH> I couldn't seem to persuade the audio streams to stay unmixed :P
20:03 <@JonnyH> Probably 'good enough' though
20:03 <@JonnyH> as I've gotta run in a few mins, and  I want something out today if possible...
20:04 < SupSuper> i'll be sure to tweet it ;)
20:04 <@JonnyH> I'll set it public then?
20:05 <@JonnyH> public it is :)
20:10 <@JonnyH> Right, I'll let that simmer...
20:10 <@JonnyH> Have a good afternoon :)
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20:17 < sf{bed_alloc}> hey everyone
20:21 < SupSuper> hey
20:21 < SupSuper> sf{bed_alloc}: got your sdl2 build working on uwp, but it had a lot of hidden headaches :p
20:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH`Away: really liked the intro masking intro times! but apparently my apkfs needs to be much less naive, right now it takes 3 seconds to open a file - (almost) any file. Running without it is a *lot* faster.
20:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> SupSuper: yay! congratulations on getting it to run, bet there's a bunch of terrible stuff left by me in all of the engine files (and some of the states)
20:26 < sf{bed_alloc}> how did you manage resource loading? if I understood correctly there were a bunch of win32 functions you were not allowed to use
20:26 < sf{bed_alloc}> which you were using (?) for exactly that purpose I guess?
20:28 < SupSuper> most of them had winrt equivalents or could just be commented out
20:28 < SupSuper> you didn't even bother to use SDL_MessageBox or SDL_PrefPath :p
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20:30 < SupSuper> your display flags just crash on winrt
20:30 < SupSuper> also you added a new 32bit png which gave me a world of trouble :p
20:30 < sf{bed_alloc}> the weapon selection box?
20:30 < SupSuper> yeah
20:30 < sf{bed_alloc}> it's 32bit? fffuuuuuuuuuuu
20:30 < sf{bed_alloc}> I *knew* there was something wrong with it :(
20:31 < SupSuper> you could've just drawn a rect :p
20:32 < SupSuper> well it was partially my fault because i disabled sdl_image
20:32 < sf{bed_alloc}> it worked just fine for xcom1, then worked okay for xcom2 while you were using sdl_image to load it, but after the switch to lodepng I guess it was getting displayed not as intended
20:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> and I've tried to kinda sorta fix it, but failed spectacularly because I cannot into graphic editors
20:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> but at the time I thought I'd be extra fancy and not just draw a rect, but make it look ~authentic~
20:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> annnd apparently paint.net bit me in the ass
20:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> and SDL_MessageBox was not implemented for android at the time I might have looked at some code that showed a message box, and then just forgot about it I guess?
20:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> I'm trying to get a gl context no matter what, don't I? and that's what crashes winrt?
20:40 < SupSuper> probably, good thing you kept the sdl renderer :p
20:40 < SupSuper> i think winrt also always needs vsync
20:40 < SupSuper> in the end you still saved me from porting to sdl2 so good job ;)
20:42 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, give page some credit, he was the one who started it all (and probably made the most progress, I just fixed a couple of bugs and then ran git fetch upstream && git merge upstream/master once in a while)
20:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> wonder how sdl_renderer manages to run w/o vsync, doesn't gles2 turn that on by default anyway?
20:43 < SupSuper> *shrug* winrt is directx
20:44 < sf{bed_alloc}> is angle a built-in library or do you have to build it and bundle with your app yourself?
20:45 < SupSuper> you have to get it
20:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> mind you, it's not *that* complicated (I mean, I've managed to build it once), but still - that'd give a nice gles2->dx translator
20:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> prebuilt from nuget?
20:46 < sf{bed_alloc}> or from git and using a weird google-ish toolset?
20:47 < SupSuper> *shrug* it's on github by microsoft
20:47 < SupSuper> you can get it as a vs template
20:50 < sf{bed_alloc}> also, how does it treat resizing the window?
20:51 < sf{bed_alloc}> I remember toying with google's ARC welder (which is a thingy to run apks in chrome, because your browser is an operating system now), and oxc used to crash on resize
20:51 < sf{bed_alloc}> didn't do that on desktops, but then again desktops are relatively more sane
20:53 < SupSuper> resizing seems to work like a normal window
20:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh! and are the sources public? I've got a half-crappy windows 10 tablet (which is, I guess, the closest thing to an actual winphone), I'd be extremely glad to look at how it works there (touchscreen and stuff)
20:56 < sf{bed_alloc}> and whether the keyboard appears (don't know whether it works in sdl... remember googling docs about it, apparently you have to jump through hoops to get an on-screen keyboard to appear)
20:58 < SupSuper> i've only tried it on desktop so far so i couldn't tell you :p
20:58 < SupSuper> on desktop it's pretty much the same as normal windows
20:59 < sf{bed_alloc}> except probably some of the mouse stuff does not work properly (pretty sure I gave up on inverted drag-scrolling)
21:04 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh! looks like on-screen keyboard through sdl is fairly recent (as in, less than 24 hours recent - that's the last commit in sdl's hg): https://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/rev/0f89301aae00
21:10 < SupSuper> yeah seems they're still catching up with uwp
21:10 < SupSuper> there's no sdl_image uwp projects yet
21:10 < SupSuper> and my source's a mess because of various projects from submodules, non-submodules, custom patches etc etc all in an effort to just make it run :p
21:11 < SupSuper> well you know how it is ;)
21:15 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, I guess I can imagine. Would you mind sending a compiled package then? (there's gonna be some hoop-jumping to install it, but should be worth it)
21:16 < SupSuper> yeah i don't even know where that *is*. vs just magically builds it and installs it on its own
21:16 < SupSuper> and i had to manually shove all the data in there and and and well it's just not ready for prime
21:16 < sf{bed_alloc}> try searching for, uh, .appx?
21:17 < SupSuper> well when debugging the AppX is just a folder
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21:18 < SupSuper> i'll try making a package from vs, the biggest annoyance is there's no easy way to just package your custom data in there without adding it all in vs
21:19 < SupSuper> which is why i haven't been able to test it in the phone emulator, the data never makes it there :/
21:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> I had to hack in a build step that would package the data and put it in the proper folder
21:21 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/oKXa2/fe7fd32e4f.png but even an error message is better than nothing :p
21:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> isn't there a pre-build step in vs that would accomplish the same thing?
21:22 < SupSuper> information on uwp is very flakey
21:22 < SupSuper> apparently if you're manually making the package you can just tell it to package up a whole folder for you
21:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> hey, I'd say it's pretty far in the bootup stage if it prints *this* message!
21:22 < SupSuper> but if you do it through vs, it has its own build steps that override any custom steps you make and just ughhhhhhhhhhhhh
21:23 < SupSuper> but yeah it works fine on desktop: http://puu.sh/oKXjd/b6f86ba39a.png
21:24 < sf{bed_alloc}> at least you don't have to deal with android studio, which outright refuses to work with its default settings (needs more RAM) and re-indexes everything after you change even a single line in the build.gradle :p
21:24 < SupSuper> one weird quirk is that the mouse cursor is always visible, and if you disable it you lose all mouse input (presumably it uses touch instead?). from the sdl docs, showcursor() on winrt is kinda weird
21:25 < SupSuper> yeah the nice thing of just using visual studio is, hey it's just visual studio all over again!
21:25 < sf{bed_alloc}> not even relative input?
21:26 < SupSuper> i haven't given it much debug yet, it's probably "cheating" to test it on a desktop
21:27 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, having a build system that's not a functional-programming-inspired script is probably not a bad thing (though I'm having a sort of Stockholm syndrome with gradle if I'm phrasing it like that)
21:27 < SupSuper> anyways if i'm gonna publish this we probably have to decide what goes where. do i pull request the winrt fixes to your repository, or just have a separate repository for that, and then another one for the uwp build stuff? plus more sdl2 submodules... :p
21:29 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, re sdl2 submodules there's this: https://github.com/spurious/SDL-mirror (there are probably mirrors for sdl2_mixer and sdl2_image as well)
21:31 < sf{bed_alloc}> I'd say it'd be better if you had your own sdl2 branch and I'd just keep mine up-to-date with yours (you know more about how to keep your code clean and readable than I do)
21:34 < SupSuper> well i don't have nearly as much time :p
21:35 < SupSuper> i'm already on openxcom and openapoc, openxcom uwp is mostly just an experiment (although openapoc uwp would be interesting as well...)
21:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh yeah, better start writing that dx renderer :p
21:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> (at least you won't have to choose between two compilers and 4? 5? different stl implementations...)
21:38 < SupSuper> well this doesn't sound too bad: http://developernote.com/2015/11/combining-opengl-and-xaml-together-in-a-windows-store-app-uwp/
21:39 < SupSuper> i guess i'll just pull request to you every now and then, since your stuff is already a fork of my stuff anyways, so i can decide what should go in main openxcom and in sdl2 openxcom
21:41 < sf{bed_alloc}> maybe just add you as a committer? (wonder how that works...)
21:42 < SupSuper> as for the mirrors, the problem is we need latest source, and none of them stay up to date :p spurious would be good if he added the libs as well
21:44 < sf{bed_alloc}> we could try setting up our own, probably (should be a matter of running hg-fast-import once in a while, I've probably messed up my sdl2 mirror because of some changes that I've added - in retrospect that was a Bad Idea)
21:56 < SupSuper> see you've totally got this better than me :p
21:58 < SupSuper> wish sdl would add SDL_PreferredLocales soon too
21:59 < sf{bed_alloc}> ugh, hg-fast-export does not like unnamed heads (which apparently sdl2 has)
22:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> uwp has no posix-style locales as well?
22:01 < SupSuper> nope, which is weird because win32 does
22:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> in android I ended up just passing the system locale as a runtime option (and that's still just to select the right display language)
22:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> and the locale was determined at java side
22:01 < SupSuper> at least it's tipped me off that openxcom needs better handling if the locale is invalid :p
22:02 < sf{bed_alloc}> apparently there's a strong belief that posix locale is broken and therefore should not be implemented on new platforms anymore
22:02 < SupSuper> c locale stuff is a mess, it's true
22:02 < sf{bed_alloc}> and no one got the memo with the new standard
22:03 < SupSuper> even the c++11 stuff is... uh...
22:03 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH said they're gonna fix it in c++14? or c++17?
22:03 < SupSuper> rip
22:04 < sf{bed_alloc}> and then we'll have to wait ~4-5 years before there's a reliably working implementation
22:04 < sf{bed_alloc}> and google will surely make a mess of it (although I'm being too harsh, recent toolkits are more standards-compliant)
22:07 < SupSuper> when native isn't your main userbase, you get to be as flexible as you want :p
22:07 < SupSuper> at least winrt c++ is pretty much the same as win32 c++, besides windows-api stuff (which you should be avoiding anyways)
22:28 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: nice video! you kinda sound like gollop :p
22:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh god I got mentioned
22:39 < sf{bed_alloc}> it's a bit too much credit, considering most of the time I tend to come up on irc and say "oh god everything is broken save me plz"
22:40 < SupSuper> me too :p
22:41 < sf{bed_alloc}> hey, at least you fix stuff and commit stuff
22:42 < SupSuper> also i figured out how to manually make an appx, hold on to your butts
22:42 < sf{bed_alloc}> wooo!
22:43 < SupSuper> i didn't enable any of the mobile stuff though so this will likely just burn on launch
22:43 < SupSuper> also guess what an appx is just a zip in disguise :p
22:46 < sf{bed_alloc}> so the same as .apk (and probably .ipk)?
22:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, my win10 tablet is x86, so I guess it might work fine?
22:49 < SupSuper> oh good because i built for x86 :p
22:49 < SupSuper> you'll probably need dev mode as well: http://www.howtogeek.com/219651/windows-10-allows-you-to-sideload-universal-apps-just-like-android-does/
23:21 < SupSuper> any luck?
23:27 < sf{bed_alloc}> none so far - apparently I'm missing something obvious, but I can't really install the package
23:28 < sf{bed_alloc}> windows won't recognize it as an app package, and some third-party app (WindowsAppBoss) throws some dism errors
23:30 < SupSuper> is this any useful? https://technet.microsoft.com/itpro/windows/deploy/sideload-apps-in-windows-10
23:31 < SupSuper> apparently on desktop you have to use powershell, pfft
23:32 < SupSuper> at least we don't need the store...
23:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> okay, now you're a root certificate issuer for my tablet, apparently
23:37 < SupSuper> hurray for dev certificates!
23:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> annnnd I need Microsoft.VCLibs.140.00.Debug
23:38 < SupSuper> damn
23:38 < SupSuper> should've made a release build
23:38 < sf{bed_alloc}> fun times with different runtimes for debug and release
23:38 < SupSuper> well you also can't distribute debug builds on windows, so at least it's consistent :p
23:39 < sf{bed_alloc}> unless you package all of the *d.dll with your build? (which would make it legally non-distributable I guess...)
23:40 < SupSuper> yeah
23:40 < SupSuper> and who wants a slower build anyways
23:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> but but but my stack traces!
23:47 < SupSuper> great the release build just crashes :p
23:48 < SupSuper> well eventually i'll set up the repository so you can mess around with it
23:51 < SupSuper> nevermind it was just missing the data
23:51 < SupSuper> it shouldn't crash just from missing the data though...
--- Day changed Mon May 09 2016
00:04 < sf{bed_alloc}> progress (bar)!
00:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh god it runs
00:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> it ruuuuuns!
00:06 < sf{bed_alloc}> and I can pinch the globe
00:06 < sf{bed_alloc}> forever
00:07 < sf{bed_alloc}> ...and apparently touching with fingers *and* using stylus breaks stuff
00:08 < sf{bed_alloc}> and now it refuses to run, claiming something's missing
00:08 < sf{bed_alloc}> I blame microsoft
00:10 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh, looks like it changes working dir on subsequent runs
00:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> at least it starts looking for data in Users/$USER/AppData/Local/Packages/OpenXcom.App_garbledgarbled/LocalState/OpenXcom/OpenXcom
00:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> ...and deleting it just causes the app to crash
00:16 < sf{bed_alloc}> and then it suddenly starts working again
00:16 < sf{bed_alloc}> ~magic~!
00:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> and yeah, I guess building with __MOBILE__ would produce a more touch-oriented build, but nevertheless great job! I really like how it looks and feels.
00:24 < sf{bed_alloc}> Glitches with touch and/or pen might be due to my device's faulty touchscreen (it's a cheap tablet, and I guess I wasn't lucky with this unit, so it now has quite an impressive amount of paper and insulating tape, but apparently it doesn't always help)
00:31 < SupSuper> well i imagine any quirks are due to windows or sdl's touch emulation
00:32 < SupSuper> glad it works though! even if it's basically a repackaged windows app
00:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, it's a nicely repackaged windows app, and you are now officially a mobile developer :p
00:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> okay, I'm off to sleep, please check my cuesheet branch (though I've got a couple things I'd like to do with it before a merge)
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09:11 < Colombo1> Congratulation JonnyH`Away, you have been noticed!
09:11 < Colombo1> https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/openapoc-the-open-source-engine-for-x-com-apocalypse-shows-impressive-progress.7186
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11:54 < kkmic> Intro video... nice
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14:11 < Pawlac> what the hell
14:11 < Pawlac> www.openapoc.pmprog.co.uk redirects to some weird ass site
14:12 < Pawlac> removing the www. part shows the forum
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15:03 <@JonnyH> Pawlac: Huh, you're right, I guess that breaks whatever virtual server stuff pmprog uses
15:03 <@JonnyH> I
15:04 <@JonnyH> I'll remove any www.s
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15:26 < TheSnide> JonnyH: hi
15:28 <@JonnyH> Hi
15:31 <@JonnyH> Whelp, I guess it's time to try to get a list of features to get the 'next' progress video done a bit quicker than this one :)
15:31 < TheSnide> nice progress since last time i lurked here
15:32 <@JonnyH> I dunno, it kinda feels slow to me...
15:32 <@JonnyH> At this rate we'll have a complete game just in time for the heat death of the universe
15:33 < TheSnide> i know the feeling
15:33 < TheSnide> (last visit was last uear)
15:33 < TheSnide> year
15:33 < TheSnide> :-p
15:34 < TheSnide> .. i also started to implement a vixel RT tactical engine
15:34 < TheSnide> but got nowhere
15:34 < TheSnide> ... so, at least you made some progress
15:35 < TheSnide> hence, you have all my admiration
15:35 < TheSnide> :)
15:37 < TheSnide> (useless commznt, i agree. but  i felt compelled to say it anyway)
15:41 <@JonnyH> All cheerleading comments are appreciated :D
15:42 < Pawlac> JonnyH: when OpenApoc reaches the status that it's 100% playable i.e. all Apoc features are added, is there any plan for adding cut out contents? like the spying stuff that Apoc was supposed to have. Just wondering.
15:43 <@JonnyH> Pawlac: definately yes
15:43 <@JonnyH> Or at least the 'hooks' for them to be modded in
15:43 <@JonnyH> I don't know if all the planned features will make a 'better' game, so they probably won't be default-on though
15:44 < Pawlac> makes sense, since afaik there is no proper documentation of those things + it would confuse players why OpenApoc plays different then the DOS one.
15:45 <@JonnyH> Plus some game ideas sound good ,but when implemented just don't quite fit
15:46 <@JonnyH> but I do expect an OpenApoc:Extended for something
15:46 <@JonnyH> (At least as a 'build-in' optional mod)
15:47 <@JonnyH> I want to make 'core' openapoc more mod-able than openxcom, so hopefully fewer things require source changes
15:47 < Pawlac> more modable huh?
15:48 < Pawlac> like allowing the modder to use scripting language?
15:48 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I expect to add some script language for some stuff
15:50 <@JonnyH> Back in a bit...
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15:50 < Pawlac> alright sounds great
15:51 < Pawlac> I am already curios what kind of mods OpenApoc will have
15:51 < TheSnide> is it still in plan to have a different tactical engine than thr citymap one ?
15:53 < Pawlac> "different tactical engine" like the Real-Time/Turn-Based mode?
15:54 < TheSnide> you're making the citymap firzt, right ?
15:54 < TheSnide> Pawlac: yup
15:55 < Pawlac> ah, iirc he wants to do the Real-Time mode first since the Citymap is in Real-Time then later he will add the Turn-Based one
15:58 < TheSnide> fine for me. i don't lke Trun ;)
15:58 < TheSnide> turn
16:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH`Work: judging by the travis logs, clang does not like regex. I *think* I could get away with just splitting strings (though I'd rework the string splitting code first)
16:29 < sf{bed_alloc}> then again, I can't seem to reproduce that behavior locally (gcc5.3/clang3.7.0)
16:38 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: IIRC the ubuntu clang builds against an 'old' version of libstc++ by default
16:38 <@JonnyH`Work> for whatever reason...
16:41 < sf{bed_alloc}> so, not an issue then?
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Depends if you want to support ubuntu I guess :P
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> And what's wrong with our String;:split?
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not very fast, causes unnecessary copies, but you probably shouldn't be doing string management in hot-paths anyway :P
16:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Or do you want to split by strings not chars?
16:46 < sf{bed_alloc}> that should be executed once per cue archive, so not exactly hot path?
16:46 < sf{bed_alloc}> thing is, multiple spaces produce multiple empty strings
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, so you want some kind of split & trim :)
16:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> so UString("     FILE       something.bin    ").split(" ") -> {"", "", "", "", "FILE", "", ""...} - you get the idea
16:48 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, that's how split used to work in python, which is probably the only implementation I've used :p
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> You could add a 'bool ignoreEmpty'
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> and instead if 'strings.push_back(tok);' make it 'if (!tok.empty()) strings.push_back(tok);
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> if that flag is set?
16:49 < sf{bed_alloc}> and even then there could be 'FILE "something with a space in the middle" BINARY'
16:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, the split isn't really useful for generic parsing :)
16:50 < sf{bed_alloc}> and splitting by spaces would still not do much good (especially if there are multiple consequitive spaces)
16:52 < sf{bed_alloc}> so regexes are probably somewhat overkill, but they tend to get the job done
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably less overkill than a boost::spirit or  bison parser or something
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> kinda depends if you want it to be bullet proof for all .cue files
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Or just work with the ones you're likely to see
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Or even just the single one in gog.com's apoc :P
16:55 < sf{bed_alloc}> We could actually generate "virtual" cue files that would point to an .iso file (if we'd like to use this archiver instead of the physfs-bundled one for some reason)
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Just assume it's a single iso track of a 'default' mode?
16:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, just pass it "file /path/to/iso binary\n track 1 mode1/2048\n index 00:00:00" (I'm actually ignoring the contents of index command)
16:59 < sf{bed_alloc}> but we'd have to use something like mountIo or mountMemory instead of a regular mount...
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> mmap() the whole file and mountMemory might be easiest :P
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I really miss mmap using physfs...
17:39 < sf{bed_alloc}> seems to work on android, seems (?) to work on my fc23, haven't tried windows (do you regenerate project files using cmake, by the way?)
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Nope, the msvc project files are separate to the cmake files
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18:35 <@pmprog> Hi
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog :)
18:36 <@pmprog> Hi JonnyH`Work, how's things?
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Alright - finally did another progress video
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> (which I guess you've noticed :)
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18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh my, supsuper too, the whole gang's here
18:37 <@pmprog> Yes, I saw the video, great work guys!
18:38 < SupSuper> hey
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> They get a fair few views (the october one has ~6k)
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> but not sure if they attract devs :P
18:39 <@pmprog> I saw this -- https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/openapoc-the-open-source-engine-for-x-com-apocalypse-shows-impressive-progress.7186
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> me too :)
18:39 < SupSuper> yeah i shared it on the openxcom networks, since a bunch of people follow
18:39 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: in my experience you don't attract devs, devs come to you :P
18:40 < SupSuper> every now and then someone shows up at #openxcom wanting to fix ALL the thing and adding ALL the features. and then we got nothing for them :P that's how you know
18:40 <@pmprog> Yes, thanks for sharing SupSuper
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> And I sound like gollop... in a good way?
18:41 < SupSuper> you have that awkward-dev-in-the-spotlight down ;)
18:41 < SupSuper> j/k you have a similar british accent i guess
18:42 <@pmprog> lol - this comment -- https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/openapoc-the-open-source-engine-for-x-com-apocalypse-shows-impressive-progress.7186#60715
18:42 <@pmprog> Collecting engine source code :)
18:42 <@pmprog> Sounds kinda like what I used to do
18:42 <@pmprog> Until I realised I never used them or read the source, so they were a bit pointless
18:44 < SupSuper> i just bookmark them all :p
18:45 <@pmprog> You should check my github stars ;-)
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> You don't fork them? It seems to be what everyone else does....
18:46 <@pmprog> I only fork them depending on my intentions
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, I'm joking about people who don't know what it means using it to 'tag' stuff
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18:46 <@pmprog> I figured, but still, I do fork some projects
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Hell, I forked openapoc
18:47 <@pmprog> :D
18:47 <@pmprog> and it's a good thing that you did
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> and made.. one or two branches :)
18:47 < SupSuper> given every bugfix becomes a "fork", you can't trust those much either :p
18:47 <@pmprog> To be honest, I still to this day, do not fully understand branches
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog: *spooky git magic*
18:48 < SupSuper> ^^^^
18:48 <@pmprog> I kinda mean their use, not the technicals on how they work :P
18:48 < SupSuper> i think the name "branch" is a misnomer, because actual branches don't normally split and merge back and intertwine and what not :p
18:49 < SupSuper> pmprog: mostly so you can work on separate things without having them all in the same bag
18:49 <@pmprog> I guess most of my code was pretty much solo efforts, so I only ever really worked on one thing at a time
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I tend to use them for work-in-progress stuff where it takes longer than one 'coding session'
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> as I can write notes/have broken commits/whatever and nobody complains
18:50 < SupSuper> yeah i can never get into them, but "theoretically" they're nice so you can undo/redo stuff without affecting some other unrelated feature
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> then squash merge to hide all the crappy middle stages
18:50 < SupSuper> atlassian has a pretty good (and verbose) write-up: https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/comparing-workflows/
18:51 <@pmprog> Does it seem bad that I have 83 repos in my account? with 60 of them being original projects!
18:51 < SupSuper> it builds character!
18:52 <@pmprog> lol - "This guy starts lots and finishes none"... Sad but true
18:52 <@pmprog> Well, mostly true
18:53 <@pmprog> My Nexys4 FPGA board I bought to help test out the MEGA65 firmware hasn't even made it out of the box yet
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> heh, I've got a nexys4 ddr somewhere..
18:55 <@pmprog> Well... One project I was making was rehousing a RaspPi in my old Amiga 600 case... After not bothering trying to solder and code a Teensy to control the keyboard, I just bought a Keyrah... and it now sits on my desk unconnected
18:55 <@pmprog> I really should try and work out how to expose all the Pi bits out of the back of the case
18:56 <@pmprog> But it's that time thing again...
18:56 <@pmprog> ... and speaking of which, I better get off. Just wanted to drop by and say congrats on the vid and the progress :-)
18:56 <@pmprog> Cya next time
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> o7
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18:59 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vrvyZ
18:59 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3e773cf Jonathan Hamilton: Some warning fixes
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19:18 < SupSuper> btw i also twitted gollop ;) doubt he'll reply though
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> You never know...
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20:32 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH opened pull request #70: Add ID and data to UserEvent and use it for 'research complete' (master...WIP/research_complete_message) https://git.io/vrvjP
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20:34 < JonnyH`Work> Let's keep extending Events until they literally explode!
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07:21 < TheSnide> btw, is it possible to extract all the files from the iso ?
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08:01 < kkmic> Are you asking if it is possible to unpack the ISO or if it is possible to play OpenApoc with it unpacked?
09:40 < TheSnide> well, i was more asking about having all the individual files extracted from the pack files (which are on the iso.. but that's not an issue)
09:41 < TheSnide> --> i'd be specifically interested in having a bunch of png for all the sprites
09:42 < TheSnide> (ie, ripping the sprites)
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11:41 < kkmic> AFAIK, the physfs library used allows you to extract the individual files that are in the ISO and use them unpacked - not sure though if this is actually implemented in the OAC code
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11:41 < kkmic> As for the individual sprites... hmm...
11:41 < kkmic> Technically it is possible
11:42 < kkmic> But you'll have to ask JonnyH if support for this is planned or possible
12:50 < TheSnide> kkmic: as then a 1srt extract could be done. ahead of time sortof
12:51 < TheSnide> and then, just reuse the one without phyf
12:51 < TheSnide> phyfs
12:57 < kkmic> What's 'lsrt'?
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13:38 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 971f46c Jonathan Hamilton: Add a String "ID" and sp<void> to UserEvent and use it for 'research complete'...
13:38 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 985ee21 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #70 from JonnyH/WIP/research_complete_message...
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13:39 < JonnyH> TheSnide: Yes, you can play with the 'cd path' pointing to a directory instead of an .iso
13:40 < JonnyH> And if you want the extracted sprites: http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/
13:49 < Skin36> I wrote about the change of day and night, but you have already done it
13:50 < JonnyH> Yeah, I looked back at the IRC logs when you were discussing it :)
13:50 < JonnyH> So thanks!
13:54 < Skin36> I am preparing an article on the generation of veh for organizations, but not yet clear. the generation of all vehs algorithm is clear, but how they are distributed on buildings is not clear.
13:54 < JonnyH> I'm looking forward to removing my current 'hack' :)
14:07 < Skin36> have a question, map of the city to its present size will be expanded?
14:07 < JonnyH> The data files are 100x100x10
14:07 < JonnyH> But there's nothing in openapoc that means that can't be expanded
14:08 < JonnyH> there are no limits really in open apoc :)
14:08 < JonnyH> Up to memory size...
14:09 < JonnyH> Or 'int' size I guess (2billion x 2billion x 2bollion) ;)
14:09 < JonnyH> though if MASSIVE maps become a thing I'll probably have to change how some of the update loop works
14:09 < JonnyH> as it won't be very efficient if it's really big
14:10 < Pawlac> chunk based updates?
14:10 < JonnyH> At least some kind of 'activity check'
14:10 < JonnyH> so it doesn't have to check each tile only to realise it's not doing anything interesting
14:12 < Skin36> but the map of the city in the game more, she supplemented with grass tiles
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14:13 < JonnyH> That's not in the city itself, you can never get an object in those tiles
14:14 < JonnyH> It's just the renderer goes "No tile? Draw grass"
14:17 < Skin36> I thought that the vehs can go outside of 100x100  or I'm wrong
14:17 < JonnyH> No they can't
14:17 < JonnyH> There's some grass in the 100x100 map
14:17 < JonnyH> and you can go to that
14:20 < kkmic> Hi JonnyH
14:21 < JonnyH> hi kkmic 
14:21 < kkmic> Nice one with the intro video
14:22 < kkmic> I was not remembering it SO grainy though...
14:22 < kkmic> :)
14:22 < JonnyH> It always was awful
14:22 < JonnyH> You just have rose-tinted glasses :)
14:22 < kkmic> :)
14:22 < JonnyH> I could make it bilinear filtered
14:22 < JonnyH> but then it just looks blurry instead of blocky
14:22 < kkmic> Do you think that applying some kind of filtering on it will help?
14:23 < JonnyH> Maybe something fancy like lancosz
14:23 < kkmic> Play it in a smaller area? :)
14:23 < JonnyH> It looks great on my phone!
14:23 < kkmic> :)
14:24 < JonnyH> well, no, it pretty crap on my phone
14:24 < JonnyH> But not as bad as on my 28" screen...
14:24 < kkmic> Let's try with a smaller screensize
14:24 < kkmic> Where is the config file again?
14:25 < JonnyH> on linux? ~/.local/share/OpenApoc/settings.cfg
14:25 < JonnyH> I really should add an options screen ;)
14:25 < JonnyH> I have a half-assed start of a qt 'editor' that allows changing that
14:25 < JonnyH> Maybe make that into a 'launch screen' or something...
14:26 < kkmic> .local? Why not .config?
14:26 < JonnyH> It's the default PHYSFS_writeDir()...
14:26 < kkmic> OTOH, OXC uses both .config and .local
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14:28 < kkmic> Headache incoming
14:28 < JonnyH> TBH small platform issues can be sorted later :)
14:29 < JonnyH> Like I don't even have a 'save/load' screen, let alone decided paths for that..
14:29 < kkmic> Well, at 640/480, the intro is watchable
14:30 < kkmic> It's not a masterpiece either, but at least it won't convolute your brain when trying to watch it
14:34 < JonnyH> checkout my "EXPERIMENTAL/video-linear-filtering" branch if you want to see how it looks w/bilinear filtering
14:35 < kkmic> Too much hassle :)
14:36 < JonnyH> I want to add more fancy scaling filters anyway
14:36 < JonnyH> as having everything at 1:1 pixel isn't great on high-dpi screens
14:36 < JonnyH> So something like 1:1.5/1:2 might be better
14:36 < JonnyH> and then we need filtering
14:36 < JonnyH> And bilinear isn't great :)
14:38 < kkmic> :)
14:43 < Pawlac> tbh fam I don't like mipmapping/billinear mapping because it makes the texture look like it came from a swamp
14:44 < JonnyH> Mipmapping looks good
14:44 < JonnyH> But it's only for making textures look smaller, not larger :)
14:44 < JonnyH> Bilinear is 'Ok' for up to 2x the size
14:44 < JonnyH> Any more than that and I believe the technical word for the look is 'ass'
14:45 < JonnyH> We (powervr) expose bicubic as a magnification filter too, which is a fair bit better
14:45 < JonnyH> but it's a non-standard opengl extension...
14:45 < JonnyH> So to make it work everywhere we'll need to implement it in the shader
14:49 < Pawlac> Is the shader variant more "expensive"?
14:49 < JonnyH> Yes, quite a bit
14:50 < kkmic> Question: can it be implemented so that it will filter each sprite individually instead of filtering the entire screen at once?
14:50 < JonnyH> In our HW the bicubic filtering is done in the texture unit
14:50 < JonnyH> It can do either :)
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15:34 < Pawlac> http://ppmforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=24839&postorder=asc&sid=820cff90f41ab9443582e84cf88c6fd0 just found this while searching for texture filtering
15:34 < Pawlac> fucking pig disgusting
15:36 < JonnyH`Work> what's wrong with that?
15:36 < JonnyH`Work> the meshes look pretty good IMHO
15:47 < Pawlac> this one? http://www.ppmsite.com/images/trucka_000.gif nope it's crap, and all the pictures at 2nd page looks like it is made from clay
15:47 < JonnyH`Work> Sharpen the textures and it'll look alright...
15:47 < JonnyH`Work> But voxel->mesh is kinda hard anyway
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16:55 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: holymolly! thx for the png !
16:56 < JonnyH`Work> Currently the palette replacement stuff makes it difficult to 'import' .png files into openapoc...
16:57 < JonnyH`Work> but we can export them fine :)
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18:58 < JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper 
18:58 < SupSuper> hey
18:58 < SupSuper> how goes?
18:58 < JonnyH`Work> Alright
18:59 < JonnyH`Work> I added a 'Research Completed' event the other day
18:59 < JonnyH`Work> and was looking at adding updateDay()/updateWeek() hooks
18:59 < SupSuper> ohhhh
19:00 < SupSuper> have you fixed the events yet? :p
19:00 < JonnyH`Work> TBH if we don't actually think about what they *should* do
19:01 < JonnyH`Work> I'll just make them so they're 'differently broken' :P
19:02 < SupSuper> i thought you had an idea last time
19:02 < SupSuper> i forget
19:02 < SupSuper> i think i've thought all i can about events
19:03 < JonnyH`Work> There's a few thing I 'don't like' about it currently
19:03 < JonnyH`Work> but I've not really done due dilligence in the 'best way of fixing them'
19:04 < SupSuper> is there some convenient open-source ui :p
19:04 < SupSuper> not for replacing but for er borrowing ideas
19:04 < JonnyH`Work> (though at least the forms handling changes are a 'clear' improvement, and probably separate from any 'core' event changes)
19:05 < JonnyH`Work> QTs signals/slots?
19:05 < SupSuper> i said *convenient*
19:06 < JonnyH`Work> but 'multiple producers' might be a decent idea..
19:07 < SupSuper> admittedly the only other one i know is CEGUI
19:08 < JonnyH`Work> I  *do* want to (ab)use it for 'game' events too
19:08 < JonnyH`Work> No point have 2 parallel systems for GUI/Game
19:08 < JonnyH`Work> (like "Research completed", "live alien spotted", whatever...
19:09 < JonnyH`Work> )
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19:22 < SupSuper> as long as it doesn't depend on forms :p
19:23 < JonnyH`Work> Naa, I expect to keep the heirachy as is now
19:23 < JonnyH`Work> As in it'll be libFramework, not libForms
19:24 < JonnyH`Work> woop, new radiohead album :)
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20:35 < JonnyH`Work> Seems quiet today...
20:35 < JonnyH`Work> And here I am looking for distractions from work...
20:35 < SupSuper> coding to distract from coding huh :p
20:36 < JonnyH`Work> It would be fine if I was actually coding at the minute...
20:39 < JonnyH`Work> Babysitting something through the QA team
20:39 < JonnyH`Work> Just involved enough I can't get anything else really done
20:40 < JonnyH`Work> But long enough turnaround times to be annoying
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23:27 < JonnyH`Work> I might go full-steam into a generated gamestate :)
23:27 < JonnyH`Work> Just to warn you
23:27 < JonnyH`Work> Anyway...
23:27 < JonnyH`Work> Have a good evening
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18:52 < JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/78f7ea80accca09ec09023ddda89c85ce87acd24
18:52 < JonnyH`Work> all that BS is why I want to generate the gamestate...
18:52 < JonnyH`Work> with a 'deep' operator==
18:53 < SupSuper> fun ;D
18:53 < JonnyH`Work> Plus I can generate the UI for the editor :P
18:53 < JonnyH`Work> But my initial 'designs' seem to involve re-implementing half the c++ type system in some kind of nasty xml...
18:54 < SupSuper> just give it up and make your own language already :p
18:54 < JonnyH`Work> I was thinking about 'autogenerating' it from the c++ sources
18:54 < JonnyH`Work> with a libclang app to parse the headers and pull out data :P
18:55 < SupSuper> that's how most serializers/binders already work
18:55 < JonnyH`Work> Or some nasty MACRO_(WHATEVER) hacks to try to avoid a 'full' c++ parser
18:57 < SupSuper> macros are basically a full parser since they're turing-complete :p
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16:33 < Pawlac> uh-huh
16:33 < Pawlac> one might call the Cult of Sirius as bunch of cucks
16:34 < JonnyH> #MakeMegaPrimusGreatAgain
16:35 < Pawlac> Donald Trump for Mega Primus when
16:36 < JonnyH> They've successfully built a wall
16:36 < JonnyH> but UFOs fly unfortunately...
16:37 < Pawlac> I guess it would be time for some Heavy AA weaponry then
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17:26 < Pawlac> will there later a possibility to change the GUI layout?
17:27 < JonnyH`Work> Yes? You should be able to change quite a bit right now :)
17:27 < JonnyH`Work> It's not integrated into the 'mod' system yet though...
17:28 < Pawlac> That's great.
17:28 < JonnyH`Work> and not everything can be changed...
17:28 < Pawlac> might be useful later when a Mini-TC mod pops up just in case that it adds alot of items, as the current GUI layout doesn't seem to be adequate for large amount of items
17:29 < JonnyH`Work> And the UI will certainly need work for different DPI/resolutions
17:29 < JonnyH`Work> currently it's just the 640x480 'center' of the screen
17:30 < JonnyH`Work> so looks kinda silly in the middle of a massive 4k screen :)
17:30 < JonnyH`Work> Plus touchscreen interfaces will likely need some tweaks too..
17:30 < JonnyH`Work> but all this is 'post version 1.0'
17:30 < JonnyH`Work> so my plan is to 'make it possible to change' at the moment
17:30 < JonnyH`Work> rather than actually making the changes
17:31 < Pawlac> Alright, good to hear about that.
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19:26 < SupSuper> https://www.reddit.com/r/opensourcegames/comments/4ionje/openapoc_xcom_apocalypse_engine_progress_video/
19:28 < JonnyH`Work> "The dude's a superhero to me"
19:28 < JonnyH`Work> How come you have fanboys?
19:28 < JonnyH`Work> *grumble*
19:29 < SupSuper> that's what you get for namedropping me :p
19:29 < JonnyH`Work> usurped? :P
19:29 < SupSuper> on the other hand you also don't get hateboys :P feedback really goes two ways
19:29 < JonnyH`Work> True, I don't get bitchey bugs about not documenting live builds :P
19:43 < JonnyH`Work> IIRC ivan posted on /r/xcom too
19:44 < JonnyH`Work> https://www.reddit.com/r/Xcom/comments/4iknfc/openapoc_may_2016_progress_video_progress_report/
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14:31 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vrOCN
14:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 5ecaf4a Jonathan Hamilton: Remove 'go faster research' hack :)
14:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6ffa291 Jonathan Hamilton: Add updateEndOfDay/updateEndOfWeek hooks
14:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0ca19c5 Jonathan Hamilton: Regenerate gamestate data with 'day' variable
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14:56 < kkmic> Hi JonnyH
14:57 < JonnyH> hi
14:59 < kkmic> What's brewing?
14:59 < JonnyH> errm... more structural stuff?
15:00 < JonnyH> Autogenerated state, so we can make 'relative' saves (IE no longer need to hand-write 'patches' and 'mods' - instead you can just make the change and get the system to figure out what changed)
15:00 < JonnyH> A qt5 based editor for the same
15:00 < JonnyH> 'caus nobody likes xml :P
15:01 < JonnyH> waiting with baited breath for the new amd & nvidia cards to be released...
15:04 < kkmic> XML is too verbose, IMHO
15:05 < JonnyH> It works :)
15:05 < kkmic> pmprog said he favored it over yaml or others, and it was the end of it
15:05 < JonnyH> And other markup languases have other issues
15:05 < JonnyH> Yeah, we inherited xml from pmprog's forms really
15:06 < JonnyH> I might have gone for something else if we started 'from scratch'
15:06 < JonnyH> but I think it's better to have one markup language than many
15:06 < JonnyH> and there doesn't seem to be anything sufficiently better to go through and change everything...
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15:44 < kkmic> This is the same argument that ended my discussion with pmprog
15:44 < kkmic> That there is no 'clearly better' alternative
15:44 < JonnyH`Work> Honest, as we abstract the whole serialization code changing it for something else wouldn't be the end of the world
15:45 < JonnyH`Work> Or even supporting multiple backends at the same time...
15:45 < JonnyH`Work> Except the Forms stuff, that's still it's own custom stuff ;)
15:45 < kkmic> So I feel that XML is too verbose, but I must admit I cannot recommend another markup language that is clearly better suited for this than what is already in use
15:46 < JonnyH`Work> Everything sucks
15:46 < kkmic> :)
15:46 < kkmic> Gotta go, have a nice weekend
15:47 < JonnyH`Work> You too
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18:10 < JonnyH`Work> nice :)
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18:28 < JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper 
18:29 < JonnyH`Work> so my whole beef with 'generated gamestate' is to get compile-time introspection of the objects
18:29 < JonnyH`Work> then I read about bost 1.61 release, and it's compile time introspection framework... :)
18:29 < JonnyH`Work> But naturally doesn't work with msvc...
18:30 < SupSuper> it's like i don't eve know you anymore :p
18:31 < JonnyH`Work> True, since when has lack of windows support every stopped me :P
18:31 < JonnyH`Work> Naa, but if we 'already have' boost...
18:31 < JonnyH`Work> but even then it's not a perfect solution, having to annotate the definitions
18:32 < JonnyH`Work> but might be better than a 'custom definition format' anyway...
18:42 < SupSuper> fine i'll start this no-more-boost group over here, all on my lonesome
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19:11 < JonnyH`Work> It'll totally be standard c++ by 2024 though :P
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12:09 < kkmic> git submodule update
12:09 < kkmic> fatal: reference is not a tree: 407d671954030b5875f3ad0328f2810ab7839f37
12:09 < kkmic> Unable to checkout '407d671954030b5875f3ad0328f2810ab7839f37' in submodule path 'dependencies/glm'
12:09 < kkmic> Hmmm....
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14:06 < JonnyH> kkmic: I had that, apparently the glm guys removed something upstream
14:07 < JonnyH> you might have to de-init and re-init glm...
14:07 < JonnyH> I can't remember how to get it to refetch...
14:22 < kkmic> So how do I de-init and re-init the thing?
14:23 < JonnyH> errm...
14:23 < JonnyH> git submodule deinit dependnecies/glm
14:23 < JonnyH> git submodule init dependencies/glm
14:23 < JonnyH> ?
14:27 < kkmic> Same
14:27 < kkmic> Hmm...
14:27 < JonnyH> huh
14:27 < JonnyH> if you go to dependnecies/glm
14:27 < JonnyH> and 'git remote -v'
14:27 < JonnyH> what does it print out?
14:28 < kkmic> origin  https://github.com/JonnyH/glm.git (fetch)
14:28 < kkmic> origin  https://github.com/JonnyH/glm.git (push)
14:28 < JonnyH> if you do 'git fetch origin'
14:28 < kkmic> No error
14:28 < JonnyH> then 'git log 407d671954030b5875f3ad0328f2810ab7839f37'
14:28 < JonnyH> ?
14:29 < kkmic> fatal: bad object 407d671954030b5875f3ad0328f2810ab7839f37
14:29 < kkmic> Should I try a git pull or something on dependencies/glm?
14:30 < JonnyH> naa, the 'git pull' is just 'git fetch && git merge FETCH_HEAD'
14:30 < JonnyH> the fetch should bring in the objects...
14:30 < JonnyH> This clearly worked last week...
14:30 < kkmic> If I delete the whole glm dir and then run a git submodule init && git submodule update on the openapoc repo?
14:30 < JonnyH> I'll try to push branches instead of tags
14:31 < JonnyH> maybe github removes revisions it doesn't "think" are needed?
14:31 < kkmic> No idea
14:31 < JonnyH> try a git submodule update again now
14:32 < kkmic> Seems to have worked
14:32 < kkmic> Submodule path 'dependencies/glm': checked out '407d671954030b5875f3ad0328f2810ab7839f37'
14:33 < JonnyH> *shrug*
14:33 < kkmic> Do I need to recompile GLM after this ... update?
14:33 < JonnyH> I tested this with a 'fresh' checkout.. no way that wouldn't have worked if it didn't have the revision...
14:33 < JonnyH> Naa, glm is header-only
14:33 < JonnyH> it'll rebuild *Everything* after you change it anyway :P
14:34 < JonnyH> Unless you use your system glm, which you probably should...
14:34 < kkmic> Okay, I'll take your word on this ;)
14:34 < kkmic> I'm not sure what GLM I am using
14:34 < JonnyH> It only uses dependnecies/glm if your system glm is too old (ubuntu 12.04 IIRC), and on windows
14:34 < kkmic> Checking
14:34 < JonnyH> If you're not manually setting any CMAKE variables to point to the path it'll use your system one
14:35 < JonnyH> I only updated it as they removed the revision I happened to previously use
14:35 < kkmic> The phyfs is used from the dependencies
14:35 < JonnyH> Not for any 'real' reason (not aware of any API changes or bug fixes that affect us)
14:36 < kkmic> tinyxm... that one I had to install system-wide, I'm not sure why it didn't worked from the dependencies dir...
14:36 < JonnyH> yeah, we need a 'pre-release' version of physfs and some custom iso patches
14:36 < kkmic> *tinyxml
14:36 < JonnyH> Generally, it's preferably to use the system libs unless we have a specific reason
14:36 < kkmic> I don't see any GLM-related config in CMAKE
14:36 < kkmic> Yep
14:36 < JonnyH> again, tinyxml2 in dependencies/ is only used on windows
14:37 < JonnyH> GLM_INCLUDE_DIR is the varaible name - it's marked as 'advanced' though
14:37 < kkmic> Are you sure? I remember doing a install for tinyxml...
14:37 < JonnyH> Well, you can compile & install the version in dependencies, but there's no advantage over using the system one
14:37 < kkmic> If it's "advanced" then I have definitely not touched it
14:37 < JonnyH> assuming your system has a tinyxml2-dev package :P
14:37 < kkmic> Hmm....
14:38 < kkmic> Might have I missed the -dev package?
14:38 < JonnyH> pugixml and miniz are header-only, so are used from dependencies.
14:38 < JonnyH> libsmacker is a small project and doesn't seem commonly packaged by distros, so we use the dependencies/ one there too
14:38 < kkmic> GLM_INCLUDE_DIR                  /usr/local/include
14:38 < JonnyH> huh, /usr/local/include implies you've installed your own version of glm
14:39 < JonnyH> system ones normally appear in /usr/local...
14:39 < JonnyH> ..sorry, not /usr/local, but /usr (so /usr/include)
14:39 < kkmic> Hmm... could b
14:39 < kkmic> I don't CLEARLY remember what I did for each dependency
14:40 < kkmic> But I am sure that I have not manually edited any "advanced" option for openapoc\
14:40 < JonnyH> Instead of setting and 'advanced' options
14:40 < JonnyH> if you 'make install' in glm it'll do what might have happened to your system - install it in /usr/local
14:41 < JonnyH> then the 'normal' find-glm part of cmake searches both /usr/include and /usr/local/include
14:41 < JonnyH> so it'll probably be pretty random which one it uses -_-
14:41 < JonnyH> TBH, on a 'perfect' system (IE everything from the distro package manager) you shouldn't have anything in /usr/local ;)
14:42 < JonnyH> but that falls apart when you 'need' a pre-release physfs etc.
14:42 < kkmic> :)
14:43 < kkmic> Yeah, I'd rather not "sudo make install" on anything
14:43 < kkmic> I try to keep things as mint as possible
14:45 < JonnyH> If you happen to run gentoo I've made ebuilds for everything already :P
14:47 < kkmic> Kubuntu
14:47 < kkmic> 14.04 I believe
14:48 < kkmic> Yep, trusty
14:48 < kkmic> Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS
14:48 < JonnyH> Meh, gentoo has the abilty to automatically build from a git repository, which is really cool for 'active' developemnt :)
14:50 < kkmic> I do web development, so that's a feature that I don't need
14:50 < JonnyH> not sure if I *need* it
14:50 < JonnyH> or if I've just been using gentoo so long stockholm syndrome has set in...
14:53 < kkmic> :)
14:53 < kkmic> Habits change hard
14:53 < JonnyH> there's value to be had in knowing in depth how it works
14:53 < JonnyH> and accumulated setup/config/scripts
14:58 < kkmic> Knowledge is always valueable
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18:10 < JonnyH`Work> Morning SupSuper
18:13 < SupSuper> hey
18:14 < SupSuper> have you reinvented c++ yet
18:14 < JonnyH`Work> I'm calling it "c+++"
18:16 < JonnyH`Work> naa, but srsly, I'm still not sure if the mess of having a generator / crazy macro magic / crazy template magic
18:16 < JonnyH`Work> is 'better' than having the 'same' thing copied in ~3 different places...
18:16 < JonnyH`Work> I'm seeing this as a 'prototype that may go nowhere', rather than "something I /will/ push"
18:17 < Pawlac_1> why don't you use HolyC
18:17 < JonnyH`Work> so far it seems to be a loop of: Try $NEW_THING, start implementing a part of the GameState, realise it looks really ugly, NEW_THINK=$NEXT_THING; loop
18:18 < JonnyH`Work> TempleOS is our only supported platform
18:18 < Pawlac_1> Great, blasphemers don't need to apply.
18:22 < SupSuper> don't look at me, i'm the king of copy-paste :p
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21:58  * JonnyH`Work is trying to find docs on when we were figuring out the projectile sprite drawing...
22:04 < SupSuper> we  should probably have *some* form of comments
22:04 < SupSuper> besides FIX ME OH GAWD WHY
22:06 < JonnyH`Work>  //FIXME: Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?
22:09 < JonnyH`Work> but srsly, I really should at least say the expectations about inputs/outputs in headers for functions...
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23:02 < JonnyH`Work> I'm glad I keep logs of this channel :)
23:02 < JonnyH`Work> (That's right, I'm spying on you)
23:06 < SupSuper> ~~spooky~~
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06:50 < Skin36> JonnyH`Work is trying to find docs on when we were figuring out the projectile sprite drawing...      see forum )
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14:06 < JonnyH> Skin36: I found this: http://openapoc.pmprog.co.uk/index.php?topic=124.msg1239#msg1239
14:07 < JonnyH> but that didn't have the location in the .exe and stuff like that
14:07 < JonnyH> but I found some screenshots of IDA in chat from you that did :)
14:12 < Skin36> ок, im sent u offset for image
14:12 < JonnyH> I already found everything
14:12 < Skin36> cool
14:12 < JonnyH> and 'documented' it in a header :) https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/bulletsprites/tools/extractors/common/bulletsprite.h
14:13 < JonnyH> so I have all the info I need, I just need to write code to extract the images, then draw then in-game
14:19 < Pawlac> noice
14:19 < Skin36> By the way, I was a bit wrong with the generation veh organizations. Because the structure of the funds was with totaly wrong offset in the ApocD.
14:20 < Pawlac> http://b.1339.cf/irqexsw.webm
14:23 < JonnyH> Oh?
14:24 < JonnyH> Do you need to correct any comments in the forum?
14:25 < Skin36> im ? yes
14:26 < Skin36> its need some work
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15:56 < JonnyH`Work> Projectiles are working :)
15:56 < JonnyH`Work> but they're all backwards...
15:56 < Kaljakoppa> Small thing :) At least they are working
15:57 < JonnyH`Work> Speak for yourself, I think it's a big thing :P
16:04 < JonnyH`Work> I think that's officially a "Skin36" feature - it couldn't have been done without your help, so thanks!
16:28 < Skin36_> cool ) !
16:30 < Skin36_> thanks u JonnyH`Work for u work  :)
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16:36 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 6 new commits to master: https://git.io/vrWqz
16:36 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3370431 Jonathan Hamilton: Initial bullet sprite definitions in ufo2p.exe
16:36 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 94f6482 Jonathan Hamilton: Pull out line drawing into Library
16:36 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ea3c827 Jonathan Hamilton: Extract bullet sprite images
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16:45 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-5tfn6TMxi/
16:45 < Skin36_> its wrong offset
16:47 < JonnyH`Work> so some of the 'unknown' values at the end are actually the start of the next organisation info?
17:08 < Skin36_> yes
17:09 < Skin36_> I think this shift is 8 bytes
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18:13 < JonnyH`Work> hi SupSuper
18:13 < JonnyH`Work> Projectile sprites are now working
18:13 < JonnyH`Work> Though you can't tell 'caus everyone loves everyone
18:13 < SupSuper> aw :p
18:14 < SupSuper> time to implement attack commands?
18:14 < JonnyH`Work> I had to turn off hippy mode to test it
18:15 < JonnyH`Work> I'm really happy with my line-drawing iterator :p
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20:24 < JonnyH`Work> Huh, apparently the guy who wrote libsmacker cares enough about us to point out bugfixes
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20:41 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vrWhZ
20:41 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d6fe7ff Jonathan Hamilton: Update libsmacker...
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15:47 < Pawlac> hmm since mega-primus got the capabilities to travel to a different world like to mars and the moon, doesn't it mean that x-com need to actually go there for possible alien infiltration?
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16:31 < JonnyH> Pawlac: Yeah, even if we allow multiple cities/whatever
16:31 < JonnyH> it'll be a massive pain keeping track of them
16:31 < JonnyH> and not sure how 'time' works - playing each day multiple times (effectively how the alien dimension is implemented in the original) sounds like a terrible idea..
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16:39 < Pawlac> hmm right, the player would be probably screwed even more because he forget to clean a site at moon
16:40 < Pawlac> I was just a bit confused why there is only a brief mention of moon and mar
16:40 < Pawlac> mars*
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17:03 < JonnyH`Work> IIRC the lore says apoc happens after interceptor
17:04 < JonnyH`Work> so really you kinda expect mentions of bases across the whole frontier :)
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20:13 < pmprog_laptop> Morning
20:14 < JonnyH`Work> afternoon
20:14 < JonnyH`Work> How's things pmprog?
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> They're okay, thanks. How's things with you?
20:14 < JonnyH`Work> Good enough, I guess :)
20:15 < JonnyH`Work> Oh, I put my pre-order down for the pyra :P
20:15 < pmprog_laptop> Cool, me too
20:15 < JonnyH`Work> and I was in the process of getting openapoc up to speed on the pandora
20:15 < pmprog_laptop> Thought it was basically unplayable on the Pandora?
20:15 < JonnyH`Work> Not sure if the cpu is going to base enough on that though...
20:16 < JonnyH`Work> Not without lots of optimisations it's not playable, no
20:16 < JonnyH`Work> though there is plenty of areas we can improve
20:16 < JonnyH`Work> I'm not sure if it'll be worth it, as it'll be pretty much device-specific...
20:16 < JonnyH`Work> and there's a million other things I probably should do first
20:17 < JonnyH`Work> but I kinda enjoy trying to get stuff to work on limited hw :)
20:18 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, but the Pandora's probably not worth it TBH
20:19 < JonnyH`Work> yeah, but it's a challenge...
20:19 < pmprog_laptop> True
20:19 < JonnyH`Work> Though at this point making driver changes seems a bit worthless
20:19 < JonnyH`Work> if I can't release them...
20:19 < pmprog_laptop> Seems a shame really
20:20 < pmprog_laptop> The Pandora really could do with that boost
20:20 < JonnyH`Work> yeah, I feel sorry for the apparent lack of support they get for the gpu from TI
20:20 < JonnyH`Work> like it's painful that people are struggling on ancient driver versions with bugs I've fixed...
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> I really hope they get something better for the Pyra, but I'm worried that they won't
20:21 < JonnyH`Work> Hopefully they have a new enough version to support dma-buf
20:21 < JonnyH`Work> then I can write a compositor using omapfb and the gpu
20:22 < JonnyH`Work> and can treat the gpu as just a 'dumb' device
20:22 < JonnyH`Work> rather than the nasty 'device-specific' integration we had to do before that
20:22 < JonnyH`Work> (without code available effectively meaning you're stuck with the whatever ti used)
20:22 < pmprog_laptop> Sounds interesting
20:22 < JonnyH`Work> not holding my breath though, as ti closed the omap division ages ago...
20:23 < pmprog_laptop> I know, but apparently ED and co have some contacts within TI
20:23 < JonnyH`Work> Something like the allwinner chip would be cool
20:23 < JonnyH`Work> but I know their video backend has some issues WRT gpl compliance...
20:23 < pmprog_laptop> He won't pick them because of the GPL violations
20:24 < JonnyH`Work> Unfortunately, the wiki listing all the 'gpl compliance issues' is wrong on most of them
20:24 < JonnyH`Work> the code is available (we use it) it's just weirdly hard to find :)
20:25 < pmprog_laptop> Hmmm, maybe that point should be raised
20:25 < JonnyH`Work> They still have issues, specifically with their nand driver and video block IIRC
20:25 < pmprog_laptop> Suppose it doesn;t matter now... but I guess it does mean that an Allwinner CPU board could be produced later
20:25 < JonnyH`Work> so 'less issues' != 'no issues'
20:27 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, and I guess for some of the zealots on the board one issue is an issue too many
20:27 < JonnyH`Work> the nand thing is kinda a big issue TBH
20:27 < JonnyH`Work> the video less so
20:28 < JonnyH`Work> IIRC specs & docs are available
20:28 < JonnyH`Work> so someone could write a driver
20:28 < JonnyH`Work> but why should they do work for allwinner?
20:29 < pmprog_laptop> The whole SoC market seems very broken... Everybody seems to produce chips and boards but make no drivers or don't support them
20:29 < JonnyH`Work> really it's a shame omap was killed
20:29 < JonnyH`Work> the omap5 was late, but the omap6 was already on the go
20:31 < JonnyH`Work> the rockchip SoCs look nice
20:31 < JonnyH`Work> but they all seem weirdly under-gpu'd
20:31 < JonnyH`Work> so it'll barely be an upgrade from the omap5
20:31 < JonnyH`Work> maybe amd or someone will release a 5w apu...
20:33 < pmprog_laptop> AMD would be an interesting choice, but ED would immediately lose Notaz (who doesn't want to work with non-ARM system)
20:34 < JonnyH`Work> amd have at least an a57 core released
20:34 < JonnyH`Work> and have a 'k12' internal arm64-microarchitecture core planned for 2017
20:35 < JonnyH`Work> so you never know ;)
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> I guess ED's seperate CPU board might have been a good choice for upgrades
20:36 < JonnyH`Work> you never know, with pop/hbm or something it might be quite a simple design
20:36 < pmprog_laptop> Though could really fragment he's user-base
20:37 < pmprog_laptop> *his even
20:37 < JonnyH`Work> Yeah, backward-compatible maybe
20:37 < JonnyH`Work> but possible difficult for forwards-compat...
20:37 < JonnyH`Work> TBH I doubt they'll really do an 'upgrade board'
20:38 < pmprog_laptop> I'd probably agree
20:39 < JonnyH`Work> Or at most a "pyra2" that you can upgrade old pyras to
20:39 < pmprog_laptop> but it's a nice consideration... Esp' when you consider the GPD-WIN that's on the way
20:39 < JonnyH`Work> but re-design/tweak the base unit at the same time...
20:41 < pmprog_laptop> I'm hoping the keyboard is nice to use... He's convex'd the keys like the Pandora :(
20:41 < JonnyH`Work> heh, that looks like the hp 200lx
20:43 < JonnyH`Work> TBH for a 'game console' device
20:43 < JonnyH`Work> you could drop 2 of the cpus and use that area for gpu
20:43 < pmprog_laptop> I actually quite liked the HP Jornada devices, despite never actually buying one myself
20:43 < JonnyH`Work> and probably get a better balance
20:44 < JonnyH`Work> honestly, hbm will make creating a system like that much easuer
20:44 < pmprog_laptop> I still quite like the idea of an ARM/FPGA board, but it's probably not worth the cost
20:44 < JonnyH`Work> MAybe if they actually release full SoCs with that we'll see an explosion of similar projecfts
20:45 < JonnyH`Work> FPGAs are massive power hogs
20:45 < JonnyH`Work> mobile fpga? Nonsense
20:45 < pmprog_laptop> :-)
20:45 < pmprog_laptop> I think you'd need to be able to expose more pins out if you were to do that
20:46 < JonnyH`Work> or on-die
20:46 < JonnyH`Work> if you have memory onboard
20:46 < JonnyH`Work> you only need power/usb/video/'whatever gpios'
20:46 < JonnyH`Work> not routing memory will make the cpu board soooooo much easier
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> I think I've finally figured out why my Chameleon code would run... not tested it yet though
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> *wouldn't
20:47 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, but the Pyra has nowhere to expose GPIOs
20:47 < pmprog_laptop> The Pandora had that naff "ext" connector, but at least it had something
20:49 < JonnyH`Work> I mean 'gpios' for whatever connections I didn't think of
20:49 < JonnyH`Work> like keyboard, touchscreen, whatever
20:49 < JonnyH`Work> stuff that doesn't need high-speed
20:54 < JonnyH`Work> IT's a shame the omap5 isn't rogue powered anyway...
20:54 < JonnyH`Work> gles3.1, compute, vulkan, actively-developed codebase still...
20:55 < JonnyH`Work> I want that more than *moar faster* :)
20:56 < JonnyH`Work> I am looking forward to treating the pyra like a console
20:57 < JonnyH`Work> and using it to the 'max' - the dsp can be used for the audio mixing, the vivante blitter can be used for composition
20:58 < pmprog_laptop> The dsp on the Pandora got basically no use
20:58 < JonnyH`Work> same as the dsp on any omap on android either
20:58 < JonnyH`Work> For whatever reason the omap devices were always stuffed full of 'nice ideas'
20:59 < JonnyH`Work> that never quite got the sw love to be very useful
20:59 < pmprog_laptop> hehe, sounds like my head... "nice idea projects" that never get implemented
20:59 < JonnyH`Work> like the dss on the omap3 can do fullscreen compositition from ~4 buffers, YUV video decode, rotation
20:59 < JonnyH`Work> all for 'free'
20:59 < JonnyH`Work> but people keep using the gpu 'caus it's easier
21:00 < JonnyH`Work> (And the pyra added a rotation chip for some weird reason too)
21:00 < JonnyH`Work> I spent the best part of a year making the android hwcomposer use as much of the dss as possible
21:01 < pmprog_laptop> Problem for people like me, is using libs like SDL and Allegro, I wouldn't know how to use the DSS
21:01 < JonnyH`Work> Most likely, it'll actually be most useful as a 'wayland/X backend driver' level compositor
21:01 < JonnyH`Work> so you'd still go "Create me a window and just me draw"
21:02 < JonnyH`Work> but composition of multiple windows/XV video playback/whatever would just magically use it when possible
21:02 < JonnyH`Work> the gc320 vivante gpu was a weird addition too
21:02 < JonnyH`Work> not sure if that was ever used on android...
21:02 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, but you'd need that smart person to write the version of SDL/Allegro to do that first though, surely
21:02 < JonnyH`Work> So they literally have ~3 hw blocks that do pretty much the same thing on omap5 :)
21:03 < JonnyH`Work> Not SDL/Allegro, but the X DDX/wayland backend/XCompMgr thing
21:03 < JonnyH`Work> (that's why I hope it has dma-buf support, as that's the api we need to support to do that without driver code changes)
21:03 < JonnyH`Work> When I get my pyra I might give it a go myself
21:03 < JonnyH`Work> you never know ;)
21:04 < pmprog_laptop> Look forward to it :D
21:04 < JonnyH`Work> Look forward to a half-based solution in ~3 years you mean?
21:04 < pmprog_laptop> Sure
21:04 < JonnyH`Work> I'll probably do just enough to prove it's possible
21:04 < JonnyH`Work> then drop it
21:04 < JonnyH`Work> as *NEW SHINY* comes along :)
21:04 < pmprog_laptop> That;s how the rest of the SoC business works
21:04 < JonnyH`Work> Pff, SoCs are obsolete before they come back from the fab...
21:05 < JonnyH`Work> Like we recently signed a deal for something that might be perfect for the pyra-upgrade level thing
21:05 < pmprog_laptop> Did you ever discuss with ED about the rotator chip?
21:05 < JonnyH`Work> but you won't see silicon for ~2 years
21:05 < JonnyH`Work> Oh, no, never got round to it
21:06 < JonnyH`Work> I might try to dig out an omap5 EVM and see if I can repro their environment
21:06 < JonnyH`Work> as I'm sure there must have been a reason they didn't "echo 90 > /sys/devices/dsscomp/rotation"
21:06 < pmprog_laptop> Isn't is something to do with then they couldn't use the framebuffer object?
21:07 < pmprog_laptop> omapfb?
21:07 < JonnyH`Work> Perhaps as they need to allocate framebuffers from the TILER heap memory, which might not be implemented in ti's integration code with the gpu
21:08 < JonnyH`Work> *shrug* the compositor can directly use the DSSCOMP apis and override omapfb
21:08 < JonnyH`Work> and I'm not sure if people really care about the bootspash being rotated 90 in memory before the compositor starts up
21:09 < pmprog_laptop> Would look a bit weird though
21:09 < JonnyH`Work> (My experience with DSS is with the omap4 - on paper they have the 'same' block on omap5, but never actually used it)
21:09 < pmprog_laptop> Though you could store the boot splash pre-rotated
21:09 < JonnyH`Work> I mean the bootspash would just be pre-rotated
21:09 < JonnyH`Work> :)
21:09 < JonnyH`Work> the kernel log output (if you enable that) might be sideways though...
21:10 < JonnyH`Work> but if you need to see that you're probably doing weird system dev stuff anyway, not an 'end user'
21:10 < pmprog_laptop> Well, the rotators here to stay anyway (though it can be disabled/bypassed)
21:11 < JonnyH`Work> omapfb.rotate=<angle>
21:11 < JonnyH`Work> global omapfb setting :)
21:11 < JonnyH`Work> seems to work on my beagleboard (omap3 - same as the pandora?)
21:12 < JonnyH`Work> maybe I should have a look at the kernel they're using and see which fb driver they're using..
21:13  * JonnyH`Work goes trawling through the forums
21:16 < JonnyH`Work> Kek, the first google result for a pyra kernel is a link to my fork
21:16 < pmprog_laptop> :)
21:19 < pmprog_laptop> I doubt they'll change the circuit boards now, but would be interesting to see a comparison between rotator chip and it disabled with omapfb.rotate (if it works)
21:19 < pmprog_laptop> in terms of performance and power usage
21:20 < JonnyH`Work> TBH the rotater would likely be 'faster', as if it has it's internal buffer it doesn't need the extra memory BW the dss TILER rotation requires
21:20 < JonnyH`Work> if you're memory bound, ofc
21:24 < JonnyH`Work> ...though the TILER swizzling better matches the sgx pbe pattern... os rendering to the framebuffer might be more efficient....
21:24 < JonnyH`Work> bah, performance is hard
21:26 < pmprog_laptop> hehe, I wouldn't know... I haven't ever really tried to optimise anything
21:27 < JonnyH`Work> we had something on the omap3 where enabling swizzled framebuffer output improved composition by like 2x
21:27 < pmprog_laptop> most projects die before that stage
21:27 < JonnyH`Work> as it wasn't blowing the texture cache for strided accesses
21:27 < JonnyH`Work> AKA *spooky magic go faster button*
21:32 < pmprog_laptop> I like go faster magic buttons :D
21:33 < pmprog_laptop> I need to go, g'night
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21:34 < JonnyH`Work> night
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22:44 < JonnyH`Work> openxcom: 50% open source game, 50% personality cult
22:46 < SupSuper> isn't that what open-source really means? :p
22:46  * JonnyH`Work is really tempted to book a conference room to have a nap...
23:39 < JonnyH`Work> I'm off home before I fall asleep
23:39 < JonnyH`Work> Have a good evening
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13:15 < scionga> hihi
13:15 < scionga> I just saw openapocmay 2016 progress video, was watching a gallop interview on mattchat, so exited to see an effort to remake it
13:53 < Skin36> hi
13:56 < Skin36> gallop see 2016 progress video ?
14:15 < scionga> no I wish xD
14:15 < scionga> I just googled apoc remake when he was talking about it
14:15 < scionga> and found you guys :p
14:15 < scionga> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBcupDyS2UE
14:15 < scionga> theres 3 videos to the interview
14:15 < scionga> I worked a long time ago
14:15 < scionga> on a mod for Halflife
14:16 < scionga> called xcom apocalypse
14:16 < scionga> I mean fuck xcom lasthope
14:16 < scionga> http://www.moddb.com/mods/x-com-last-hope
14:16 < scionga> this one, we made a mod for hl1 first
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16:48 < JonnyH> :D It's nice people care about us
16:48 < JonnyH> Still a lot of work to go before it's playable though...
17:08 < Kaljakoppa> You guys have holiday in the summer right?
17:08 < Kaljakoppa> Cancel all stupid plans
17:08 < Kaljakoppa> Sun gives cancer and makes your skin older
17:08 < Kaljakoppa> Deving on the other hand....
17:14 < scionga> ^^
17:55 < JonnyH> I just booked my holiday, I don't intend to take my laptop
17:55 < JonnyH> Sorry to disappoint :P
17:56 < Kaljakoppa> Fug
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18:17 < Pawlac> " It's nice people care about us" well I am highly interested on being able to play it natively because DOSbox performance isn't that great tbh
18:18 < TheSnide> i'm wondering about when copyright on games will expire
18:18 < JonnyH`Work> As it was created after mickey mouse
18:18 < JonnyH`Work> I guess 'never'
18:18 < TheSnide> meaning ?
18:19 < Pawlac> isn't mickey mouse on use
18:19 < Pawlac> still on use?*
18:20 < JonnyH`Work> copyright for creative works in the US seems to extend 1 year every year, exactly co-inciding with the release of mickey mouse
18:20 < TheSnide> 95 years...
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18:24 < TheSnide> .... will be a long time for vid games ;)
18:35 < Pawlac> so that means classic x-com copyright got extended because of those 2 newer release?
18:35 < JonnyH`Work> IANAL - and it'll likely be different for different countries too
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23:49 < JonnyH`Work> ...I wish our saves were only ~2.2 mb :P
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06:40 < Zone51> hi
06:43 < Zone51> it would be a good idea to add a progress bar to the main website (with notes on each stages of developement on the progress bar)
06:44 < Zone51> welp i gotta sleep,i may be back
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09:53 < scionga> morning
10:01 < Skin36> hi
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13:24 < scionga> http://openxcom.org/forum/index.php/topic,929.60.html
13:24 < scionga> btw, I have all the source code, and model file
13:24 < scionga> I was hosting the server for xcom last hope mod back then
13:24 < scionga> Im trying to get in contact again with some of the the guys
13:24 < scionga> so far I got Pendra back, I need to figure out Nod
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20:13 < JonnyH`Work> Whelp, looks like I might have a quiet afternoon at work
20:13 < JonnyH`Work> Maybe fire up the old openapoc again? :P
20:23 < SupSuper> maybe :P
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00:29 < JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/EXPERIMENTAL/gamestate-playground/game/state/gamestate_serialize.inl
00:29 < JonnyH`Work> Is that too ugly?
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09:12 < scionga> it's fucking sexy *_*
11:07 < scionga> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF6lmoBrf3Y&list=PLZVMGCh7sZUjkMaVhfTOXwZ2uSy8rCyiF
14:29 < Pawlac_1> "This is the most hippy peaceful city in the world" man everytime I hear this I am havin' a giggle'.
14:32 < Pawlac_1> http://openapoc.pmprog.co.uk/index.php?PHPSESSID=6v6mmtg7b7rrc3tlt8fdug8pd2&topic=5.0 huh looks like this page hasn't been updated for a while
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16:10 < Pawlac_1> "Also i wonder if dev team would add a simple 3d support, so we can model vehicles for cityscape instead of drawing a new sprites. Though sprites may be fine too."
16:10 < Pawlac_1> ahahahahah
16:10 < Pawlac_1> those sprites are renders
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17:22 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vr2fz
17:22 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9b0f0a5 Jonathan Hamilton: Add big TODO list...
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17:22 < JonnyH> So I started a TODO list
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17:41 < Kaljakoppa> https://www.facebook.com/openkeeper/
17:41 < Kaljakoppa> Custom textures :)
17:41 < JonnyH> Looking good there
17:43 < Kaljakoppa> Thanks, so slow that decided to release some news, we've had it for awhile
17:43 < Kaljakoppa> the feature
17:44 < SupSuper> i love all the "gross you're using *java*" comments that always show up
17:44 < Kaljakoppa> Yeah :D On every media
17:45 < Kaljakoppa> People take these things seriously
17:46 < SupSuper> even though c# is basically java but nobody dares call out unity over it, because everyone's using it, and it's finally proven everyone's damn sick of c++ and don't care about cycle-level optimizations
17:48 < Kaljakoppa> Yeah, the one that suits you, the one you are most productive in, should be ok nowadays
17:48 < Kaljakoppa> Things evolve
17:50 < JonnyH> Yeah, if starting 'from scratch' I probably wouldn't choose c++ for openapoc either
17:51 < Pawlac_1> so something like Rust? hueheuheuehu
17:51 < Kaljakoppa> Or that BrainFuck
17:51 < JonnyH> whitespace
17:52 < JonnyH> Naa, but "fast paths" like the renderer might be c++ or something
17:52 < JonnyH> but all the game logic is kinda unnecessary, may as well use a managed language
17:52 < SupSuper> well it's nice having that low-level access for old-skool 2d manipulation but that's about it
17:53 < SupSuper> if someone wanted to remake it in 3d i sure as well wouldn't write it myself :p
17:53 < JonnyH> You design a '3d' game different;y
17:53 < JonnyH> It won't be the same xcom
17:55 < SupSuper> well you know what i mean
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18:09 < JonnyH> SupSuper: BTW, please add anything you think I missed in TODO.mk
18:10 < SupSuper> i'm probably the last person to have a detailed apoc mechanics breakdown :p
18:10 < JonnyH> A good amount of the time I'm the same :P
18:11 < JonnyH> my assumptions about how things worked are completely wrong
18:11 < JonnyH> Maybe add "Events are a mess" to the framework chunk?
18:11 < SupSuper> lol
18:11 < SupSuper> that's usually how it goes, games are just smoke'n'mirrors so you never really know what's going on
18:12 < SupSuper> like i still have no idea how we're gonna figure out the actual "simulation" that drives it, everything else is just bullet points on top
18:12 < JonnyH> We're slowly carving bits out of the simulation :)
18:13 < SupSuper> i'm sure it's probably not much fancier than "keep spawning ufos in waves" though
18:13 < JonnyH> there are a few different 'groups' of UFOs that spawn each week, depending on the week number
18:14 < SupSuper> we also need a "cut features everyone wants to see us restore" list ;)
18:15 < JonnyH> I've been trying to say "1.0 won't have any of that BS"
18:15 < JonnyH> ..but it *may* have the hooks to mod it in ;)
18:16 < SupSuper> yeah we tried that with openxcom, it didn't last :p
18:16 < JonnyH> The 'hooks' will be "Here's the code, get gud"
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18:34 < SupSuper> someone suggested adding a "console", boy that would be interesting
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18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Noticed another guy hitting the yaml-0.5.2 issue
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18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> so pushed a pull request with an check and (hopefully) better error message
18:05 < SupSuper> what issue?
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> the fail to load any rules thing
18:06 < SupSuper> ah
18:06 < SupSuper> yeah i guess it's only a problem for do-it-yourself-ers
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> If 0.5.2 is the default on ubuntu 16.04 I only expect the number of people hitting it to increase
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug* feel free not to merge it if it's just going to make things look messier
18:08 < SupSuper> if your definition of "messy" is one extra line in cmake, i dread to think what "clean" is :p
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> openapoc is my definition of clean, clearly I'm not quite right in the head
18:09 < SupSuper> i'm just wondering if it should be a code-level check
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH it's probably only a short term thing anyway, as everyone slowly picks up newer versions...
18:17 < SupSuper> yeahh right :p
18:17 < SupSuper> i bet some distros are still on 0.3
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> And some people still run winxp
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> really the best solution is to statically link
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> as yaml-cpp isn't really 'replaceable' anyway
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> as the headers & .so cannot be changed out of sync
18:24 < SupSuper> yeah but these are people doing it themselves so
18:24 < SupSuper> i don't know how the linking mumbo jumbo works on linux, on windows i just give them the dlls :p
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> You *can* ship the .so files with openxcom, but $PWD isn't in the library search path by default
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> You might have seen some linux games etc. on steam that are actually a script that sets the lib paths & then runs the 'real' executable
18:28 < SupSuper> well i'm not the on that makes the linux packages either :p they could be statically linked for all i know
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think they are, as they 'depend' on a special version of yaml-cpp package etc.
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> at leas the ubuntu ppa I saw...
18:33 < SupSuper> well the ppa has its own yaml-cpp so it hopefully doesn't matter
18:33 < SupSuper> i guess people like packages :p packages usually aren't distributed with statics
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, but if *anything else* on the system uses yaml-cpp it'll explode
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> MEh, not really my problem
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Just on my mind as I was trying to get openapoc packages together :)
18:35 < SupSuper> now i'm kinda curious, doesn't cmake just let you enforce minimum library versions?
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Yes?
18:37 < SupSuper> well i guess all we need is sdl 1.2
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> and sdl at least has forward compatability (unlike yaml-cpp)
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> IE something built against sdl 1.2.1 headers will work with the 1.2.2 lib
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> but that's not the case with yaml-cpp
18:40 < SupSuper> well it's also a c api
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, c++ headers with templates etc. makes it *really* difficult for that sort of thing
18:43 < SupSuper> ugh data paths are always a sore spot
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> case sensitive too?
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> if it wasn't for physfs and linux's iso filesystem driver disagreeing about the case of files I'd just remove out hacky case-insensitive stuff...
18:45 < SupSuper> we also have case sensitivity hacks :p
18:47 < SupSuper> it doesn't help that xcom is old enough that the files might be all lowercase, uppercase or some variation depending on the original filesystem
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I really hate SHOUTYNAMES
18:55 < SupSuper> good old fat16
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> SHOUTYNA.MES
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18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper 
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> I finally got state deltas working
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/EXPERIMENTAL/gamestate-playground/data/difficulty1_patch_common_diff/gamestate.xml
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> for example is the result of adding the common_patch and then serializing out the delta
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> so hopefully I'll then pull in the ediro
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> and never have to write a single line of xml again
18:37  * JonnyH`Work can dream
18:38 < SupSuper> not as long as we need data not found in the original :p
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> No, we'll still have the patches
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> but 'adding' said data should be done in the editor, not in xml
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> that's my plan, at least
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll probably merge in the QT editor framework to master soonish too
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> but as a non-default build target on windows
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> so you don't have to install the qt sdk if you don't want that
19:30 < Skin36-> hi
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19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> hi Skin36- 
19:34 < Skin36-> I found out something interesting - the exact structure of organizations
19:35 < Skin36-> +Total Income formula for orgs
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19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Cool ")
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> I really want to get more of the organisation stuff less 'fake'
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> We also have the massive looming 'battlescape' I at least want to start prototying soon...
19:40 < Skin36-> I found that the structure of the game itself, in the editor
19:41 < Skin36-> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-4tfn6TMB4/
19:41 < Skin36-> see on it
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> don't forget to put on the forum
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't really review it right now :)
19:41 < Skin36-> ok
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20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh ffs msvc 2015 variadic macros are broken..
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Fixed
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> now msvc & gcc both produce the same output
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> which is nice :)
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23:44 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: finally got his attention: https://twitter.com/julian_gollop/status/735490330775150592
23:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Cooool!
23:49  * JonnyH`Work expects the views to come flying in
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, I'm off
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Expect silly changes to the gamestate stuff Soon (tm)
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16:21 <@pmprog> Morning
16:23 < SupSuper> hey
16:24 <@pmprog> Hi SupSuper, how's things?
16:25 < SupSuper> 'tis good. got time off work til monday, enjoying it by doing absolutely nothing :3
16:26 < SupSuper> also gollop said a thing!! https://twitter.com/julian_gollop/status/735490330775150592
16:28 <@JonnyH> hey
16:30 <@pmprog> Cool, hope you enjoy your time off. Also, great that he's acknowledged the project :)
16:30 <@pmprog> Hi JonnyH
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16:35 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Hope you enjoy your holiday
16:35 <@JonnyH> I've got half of next month off myself, just limping along until then...
16:36 <@pmprog> Neat. I have a couple of holidays next month too
16:36 <@JonnyH> flying back to the UK and everything :)
16:37 <@pmprog> :)
16:37 <@JonnyH> So, I got the delta state serialisation working
16:37 <@JonnyH> so I'm currently working on the editor proper :)
16:38 <@JonnyH> currently.. it lets you set paths and extract an iso
16:38 <@JonnyH> nothing state based.. yet :)
16:38 <@pmprog> Sounds great
16:38 <@JonnyH> slow going as I figure out qt...
16:38 <@pmprog> Are you using Qt for the editor?
16:39 <@JonnyH> yup
16:39 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/EXPERIMENTAL/gamestate-playground
16:39 <@JonnyH> tools/editor
16:39 <@JonnyH> if you want to spy on my wip
16:41 <@pmprog> Interesting, how come you code the UI rather than a WYSIWYG tool? Just preference?
16:42 <@JonnyH> Yeah
16:42 <@JonnyH> and I intend the majority to be generated from the gamestate.inl definitions
16:44 <@pmprog> cool
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17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> and I'm thinking about forking physfs to have a context
17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than global state...
17:03  * JonnyH`Work needs someone to stop me
17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> While we're at it we could change the physfs iso backend to default to lowercase filenames
17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> and remove the GetRealCase hackery...
17:08 <@pmprog> Though we already forked physfs to fix that weird bug
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17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> a few other 'less weird' bugs in the iso backend too...
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> But I mean 'fork' as in 'change the api'
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> not just bugfixes
17:33 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: just use regular fs, and extract everything offline
17:34 < TheSnide> via INSTALL.EXE #huhuhu
17:37 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: .... but to add a context, no need to fork, just put a wrapper around it. changing the global state prior each call
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> TheSnide: I kinda do that
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> but there's state that cannot be queried, like the mount order
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> and it breaks if you happen to try to mount the same file twice
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> and if you have multiple threads god help you
17:38 < TheSnide> phyfs is single threaded anyway, no ?
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, it's accessible from any thread
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> it's all mutexed internally
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Plus it's been weeks since I last re-wrote some core system library
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm getting a little anstey and need to blow off steam
17:47 < SupSuper> we need a "it's been X days since a rewrite" sign
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> You probably don't need to get enough numbers for a second digit...
17:51 <@pmprog> I think you should move back to Allegro, they just put out 5.2 :D
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> You mean you weren't using 5.2 pre-releases?
17:53 <@pmprog> Well, I always used 5.1.x... but odd minor versions meant "unstable" api, 5.2 is now stable
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Does it have vulkan support yet?
17:54 <@pmprog> No idea... I'm just hoping it's supported on the Pyra... I don't really fancy recoding everything
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, it should work
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRc 5.1 introduces GLES compatibility
17:54 <@pmprog> If they get the 3D driver going
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I really should look into seeing if I can find an omap5 sevm and try their current kernel...
17:55 <@pmprog> sevm?
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> the TI dev boards
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> the EVM is just a board
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> the SEVM is a 'phone' form factor (though closer to the triggerhappy TV phone than one you'll actually use :)
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> we had a stack before they closed omap
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I think we still have *some*... somewhere
17:57 <@pmprog> ah cool
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> not in this office unfortunately
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> as we moved after the closed omap and sent everything back then :(
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I was digging through the cupboards the other day to check
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> and I know we threw at least 3 out then... :(
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I probably could have hawked them on the pyra forums thinking about it...
18:01 <@pmprog> Does anyone here use GIMP?
18:03 <@pmprog> I don't get why if you want to save a PNG, you have to select "Export" rather than Save
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus you lose data, like layers/whatnot
18:04 < SupSuper> yeah audacity uses the same thought process, which kinda annoys me
18:04 <@pmprog> Yeah, but you can have them all under save, but just select which file format you want
18:04 <@pmprog> That's how every other tool I use works
18:05 <@pmprog> Then they warn you if you are to "lose" information
18:05 < SupSuper> ~~open-source~~
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> literally copied from photoshop :P
18:05 <@pmprog> Pity PSP9 doesn't work properly through WINE
18:06 <@pmprog> Best graphic editor I've ever used
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably makes sense if your 'normal' use case is working on the same image for multiple sessions, not just sticking something together in 5 mins...
18:06 <@pmprog> Well, I've been doing my art in Inkscape, and I've just been trying to extract the pieces in GIMP so I can try and animate it in Spriter
18:07 <@pmprog> I almost wish I had a developer for my game, and I'd just do the art
18:07 <@pmprog> Actually quite fun for a change
18:07 < SupSuper> i've become quite fond of pixel art editors, and just use something average enough like paint.net for the rest
18:08 <@pmprog> aseprite is pretty nice
18:08 < SupSuper> at least pixel art editors aren't trying to do everything all the time
18:08 <@pmprog> I found Paint Shop Pro 5 and 9 were both great at doing Pixel art, and more of the layers and other neat features
18:08 < SupSuper> yeah i bought aseprite, totally worth it. finally i have a tool that can deal with palettes and grids :3
18:09 <@pmprog> I haven't yet... I have donated to Inkscape, as I've really come to love that tool
18:11 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/p61wb/b9488067b3.png for all my xcom needs :p
18:11 <@pmprog> Bah, I'm really gutted I missed the humble bundle with Spriter Pro!
18:12 <@pmprog> :)
18:12 < SupSuper> yeah i wasn't enough of an artist to pick that up
18:13 < SupSuper> but ended up buying aseprite because of the amount of effort it saved me fiddling with x-com's paletted images and writing my own sdl-based tools
18:13 <@pmprog> Urm, this is odd... You alt+click to draw bones in spriter, but for some reason it's resizing and moving my window... I'm sure it never used to do that!
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> alt-click is one of the normal linux wm keys?
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a bit like using alt-f4 for something
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> that's pretty crazy?
18:17 <@pmprog> Well, I know on the Pandy, you can press Left Shoulder and it'll let you move the window - which I think is the same... but I'm sure I've used Spriter before on this PC
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe the wm changed the order in which hotkeys are processed or something?
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Just rebind meta to something else
18:18 <@pmprog> Yep, just changed it from Alt to Meta, so I can Win+Click to move, and Alt+Click to draw bones
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> spriter pro was in last years steam summer sale, so you never know ;)
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> wait.. can you gift humble bundle steam keys?
18:31 <@pmprog> Don't know, but I missed the bundle... They didn't add it until right at the end, and I'd written the bundle off as it was 90% RPG stuff
18:31 <@pmprog> Well, I've got my character rigged
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> what sort of game are you making there pmprog?
18:36 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: you can gift unused keys yeah
18:38 <@pmprog> It's a game set in medieval times, you are (or were) a retired knight. It'll have two modes of gameplay, a kind of isometric engine for the "world", where there'll be a few puzzles, and a combat arena
18:38 <@pmprog> So for the gameworld, think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il9PLzZqPac
18:38 <@pmprog> And for the duel arena, this is my current prototype https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfSjabY49q0
18:40 <@pmprog> I'm thinking of trying to sell it on Itch and Humble (if they'll take it) when and if I'm happy that it runs fine, looks great, and I actually finish it
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I wonder if there's enough of a market for stuff like a pyra 'store'...
18:44 <@pmprog> Well, one of the guys who released a commercial game for the Pandora shared all the details about his experience
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> ..bad?
18:44 <@pmprog> No, but not something you could survive off alone
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean if literally everyone buys the game... there's been what, ~700 pre-orders?
18:45 <@pmprog> Heh, Maybe I could do a deal with ED :)
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> My biggest worry is 'selling' something implies support that 'give away' doesn't really have :)
18:45 <@pmprog> Yeah, that's a worry for me too
18:46 <@pmprog> But I guess if I don't try, I'll never find out
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> if it's not going to be enough to stop working/move to part time or something, I'm fine with hobbyist stuff :P
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> You don't know if you don't try
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> you never know, you could be the next xNotch
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> and I'll be telling people about how I know you before you got big
18:46 <@pmprog> Well, I read Tom Francis's blog (he wrote Gunpoint)
18:46 <@pmprog> and that really pushed me to try and actually do this
18:47 <@pmprog> http://www.pentadact.com/2013-06-18-gunpoint-recoups-development-costs-in-64-seconds/
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> If you want help getting it running fast on a 486-dx 50 or something equally silly let me know ;)
18:47 <@pmprog> Gunpoint was okay, it wasn't brilliant, and it was rather short
18:48 <@pmprog> How about an FPGA? ;-)
18:48 <@pmprog> I could sell it to Arcades
18:49 <@pmprog> And developing in my spare time (what little I have of it), means that if I don't complete, or it doesn't sell, it's not really been a big loss
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> If the workload is anywhere *near* what an asic can do well enough, that's nearly always better...
18:50 <@pmprog> I've still not downloaded the Mega65 core for my Nexys4 board yet
18:50 <@pmprog> Though I did finally get my test FPGA project running on my Chameleon!
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> :D
18:51 <@pmprog> All these projects though serve as a bad distraction!
18:51 <@pmprog> one of my mates asked he could pair program a game with me
18:51 <@pmprog> but he hasn't comeonline
18:51 <@pmprog> brb
19:10 <@pmprog> back
19:16 <@pmprog> JonnyH`Work: https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/kami-retro-update-fix-commercial-release.67976/page-3#post-1148128
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Interesting
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> but don't quit your day job ;)
19:22 <@pmprog> Not for a Pyra only game, for sure
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19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm reasonably sure I'm supposed to be in a customer meeting in ~3 mins
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> but nobody's given me call-in details or anything
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> so instead I'm off for lunch
19:32 < pmprog_laptop> hehe, enjoy
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21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Who let the chat bot into #openxcom?
21:54 < SupSuper> it keeps the place active :v
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15:47 <@JonnyH> hola SupSuper 
15:47 <@JonnyH> enjoying your holiday?
15:47 < SupSuper> hey
15:47 < SupSuper> yessir
15:48 <@JonnyH> well too bad, get back to fixing openxcom!
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15:49 < SupSuper> :p
15:50 <@JonnyH> hi pmprog
15:50 <@pmprog> Hi... I'm in a bad mood. My Cyanogen phone updated and it's broken pretty much everything
15:50 <@JonnyH> :(
15:50 <@JonnyH> Clearly should have got an iPhone
15:50 <@pmprog> And there's a big fucking Google menu ...
15:51 <@JonnyH> then you get a free flannel shirt, bushy beard and glasses with no lenses
15:51 <@pmprog> No, I'm going to get a feature phone next
15:51 <@JonnyH> or a nokia brick :)
15:54 <@pmprog> Wish that was the only thing going wrong
15:54 <@pmprog> Bah, have fun... I'm off
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17:35 < Skin36> hi
17:36 < SupSuper> hey
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> hey
17:39 < Skin36> I have some questions)
17:40 < Skin36> I'm trying to figure out how to get money to the organization
17:41 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-3tfn6TMCS/
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I was just looking at your forum post :)
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I would guess: v8 (bld[97]) is the number of tiles in the building
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> bld[99] is then the income from each tile for that building
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> bld[95] is a fixed upkeep cost for the building
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and bld[98] is the per-tile upkeep cost
17:42 < Skin36> it may be in the range of 250- 2500?
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> which one? The per-tile?
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> cost? Income?
17:43 < Skin36> tiles count
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> What pointer type is 'v7'? uint16_t?
17:44 < Skin36> yes
17:44 < Skin36> it all uint 16
17:47 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-5tfn6TMCT/
17:47 < Skin36> OMG 57
17:47 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-3tfn6TMCU/
17:48 < Skin36> 2100
17:48 < Skin36> 50,60, 2400...
17:49 < Skin36> its +194 offset
17:53 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-1tfn6TMCV/
17:53 < Skin36> sorry its char
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> if it's a char*
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> that means (v7+96) is only 96 bytes into the struct, not 192?
17:59 < Skin36> No, the correct value of 192
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> ...so is that char* a disasm bug?
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/ac72e0de188343218c084b53421712f30d8fa5eb
18:00 < Skin36> perhaps
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> that's a quick dump of the data?
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> sorry, that should be https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/d5e3128fb5ffbcd7b40448a8c4f35893df4fbd3b
18:02 < Skin36> num_units ?
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> the names are made up :P
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I assumed it was NUM_UNITS * PER_UNIT_COST
18:02 < Skin36> not tile ?
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> clearly not number of tiles, too large
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> might be some arbitrary scale
18:03 < Skin36> may be its members of org ?
18:03 < Skin36> or so
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Can you see if that offset is used anywhere else in the game?
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> It might just be a value they tweaked for 'balance'
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> (assuming that is *is* a uint16 - if it's truncated to an int8_t it will be a different value)
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> but I've seen other places where the 'type' of pointer is wrong in IDAs disasm
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> if it's never taken out of a register
18:07 < Skin36> if its 97 - its too 50...6000
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> but if it's just the high 8 bits in a char
18:08 < Skin36> not
18:08 < Skin36> see
18:08 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-1tfn6TMCW/
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> it's (-112..120) which doesn't look right
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, 16bit registers
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> got knows where ida for the char* from :)
18:10 < Skin36> its 194
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> cool
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> so I guess my dumps are correct (though the names are probably misleading, the values should be good)
18:10 < Skin36> 200 mean owner
18:12 < Skin36> then another question
18:13 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-2tfn6TMCX/
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> security_number?
18:14 < Skin36> im call it Security_number
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems to be off the global save_funding
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> where I guess the score etc. is?
18:14 < Skin36> I do not know whether this is true
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the 'difficulty' of assaulting organisations increases over time (faster if you have a higher score)
18:15 < Skin36>  global save_funding yes
18:15 < Skin36> its gen secur for org
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I think there were some comments on ufopaedia about how that progression affects what technology is available for the defending security guys
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Is it per-organisation, or global?
18:16 < Skin36> per-organisation
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> [v2] is an organisation offset into save_funding then?
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> aah, yea, bld[200] is the 'owner' right?
18:17 < Skin36> yes
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess it's spawning how many defending agents there are?
18:18 < Skin36> bld_num -its per bild
18:18 < Skin36> yes dep of org
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> It uses the bld to lookup the owning organsiation, then save_funding[organisation] is the struct it looks security_number in
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> it looks like it changes how many defenders there are
18:19 < Skin36> yes
18:19 < Skin36> v4 = (make_random(50) + 75) * v3->Security_number / 100
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and the if( check_relation_no_hostile...)
18:19 < Skin36> wtf mean Security_number
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> stuff seems to say there are only defenders if they're hostile to xcom, xcom are hostile to them, or they're org '3' or '4'
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise there are no defending agents (so unarmed civilians only?)
18:21 < Skin36> yes
18:22 < Skin36>  type = 13;                                  // Security Guard     default
18:24 < Skin36> check_relation_no_hostle(0, bld[200])  0-xcom   bld[200] -bld owner
18:25 < Skin36> Now watch other use ...
18:25 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-1tfn6TMCY/
18:26 < Skin36> save_funding[v1].Security_number * save_funding[v1].Security_number   what is it ?
18:27 < Skin36> area ?
18:29 < Skin36> compare it    v4 = (make_random(50) + 75) * v3->Security_number / 100   and  v5 = save_funding[v1].Security_number * save_funding[v1].Security_number * (*(v7 + 97) / 100)
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess it uses Secutity_number^2 for some things?
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Secutiy_number * (bld[97]/100)
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> bld[97] is used in the income/cost
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe it's like a building 'value'?
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> So it costs more, has higher income, and more defence
18:31 < Skin36> hm
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Or security_number isn't *just* security
18:33 < Skin36> I thought so, too
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> but something like 'organisation tech level' - so it affects the funding too?
18:33 < Skin36> but it is used to generate security anyway
18:34 < Skin36> not its not level
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> It kinda depends on the context of the 'secrity_number ^ 2' chunk - if that's still related to defence it's not really saying anything else
18:35 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-4tfn6TMCZ/
18:36 < Skin36> 'secrity_number ^ 2   it is difficult to say how it is used
18:37 < Skin36> I think in the construction of a new base
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> huh... weird?
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Why would the security_level of who you're buying a building off matter?
18:39 < Skin36> no, its not correct
18:39 < SupSuper> maybe it's tied to the magical building cost?
18:39 < Skin36> not
18:40 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-5tfn6TMD0/
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's doing for each (org/org) pair?
18:40 < Skin36> a comparison between all the organizations
18:40 < Skin36> yes
18:45 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-6tfn6TMD2/
18:46 < Skin36> then 0,1,2 use for ofset 30 byte mass
18:46 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-6tfn6TMD3/
18:47 < Skin36> 1 mass for unfrend xcom, 2 -frendly
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> so the ...A8 array is only used for orgs 20, 21, 22, 3, and anything with 'like_alien' set?
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise the C6 array
18:49 < Skin36> 20, 21, 22 gansters
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Gotta go to a meeting for a bit...
18:50 < Skin36>  like_alien- captured organization
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Don't forget to put stuff you figure out on the forums!
18:50 < Skin36> but I did not understand (
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Just a reminder of when we do :)
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14:29 < kkmic_> Hi JonnyH
14:29 <@JonnyH> Good morning
14:30 <@JonnyH> Back to work for me after a long weekend :(
15:01 < kkmic_> Already?
15:01 < kkmic_> :)
15:05 <@JonnyH> It does feel like a lot less than 3 days, I'll admit...
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17:12 < Skin36_> hi
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> hey
17:14 < Skin36_> I understood, as income goes to organizations)
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Nice :D
17:16 < Skin36_> all considered to be the number of tiles. But the price of the tile depends on the type of building, and is calculated by the index of the array. In addition, the destroyed building has fewer tiles, its price falls.
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> So it's number of tiles in *3d*
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> not just the size in x/y 2d?
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18:12 < Skin36_> its 3d
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> and it's live,so takes into account 'destroyed' tiles
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> heh
18:12 < Skin36_> start count on 5 tile
18:13 < Skin36_> 5-> value
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm not sure what you mean?
18:14 < Skin36_> tile->value
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> you mean the value is at offset'5' in the tile struct?
18:15 < Skin36_> in editor
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe a screenshot would help clarify?
18:16 < Skin36_> CITYMAP.DAT
18:16 < Skin36_> in *
18:16 < Skin36_> yep
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, so that is the tile structs :)
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18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> hi sup
18:17 < SupSuper> heya
18:17 < Skin36_> hi
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Have a good holiday?
18:19 < Skin36_> see it
18:19 < Skin36_> http://pastebin.com/Bg9TRBgC
18:19 < SupSuper> it was good. it's nice and warm out
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> It was over 30 degres over here
18:20 < SupSuper> of course i'll be leaving in a week, and then i'll need a holiday for that leave :p
18:20 < Skin36_> I hope everything is clear
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> and might peak at ~35 this week...
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> it was a 3 day weekend here
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> and I barely even looked at a computer
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> It was nice :)
18:21 < SupSuper> hopefully it'll still be that nice when i get there
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> where will you be?
18:21 < SupSuper> malvern, near philadelphia
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> ..."there"... the us is pretty big ya know :)
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> that's like ~2800 miles away
18:23 < SupSuper> i'm an european, where would i be without my generalizations :p
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> it's like saying "The weather in Lisbon is nice, hope it's still nice when I stop by Warsaw next week"
18:24 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: how long in warsaw ?
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, just an example :)
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Found somewhere about 2800 miles from lisbon :P
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> and that came up
18:25 < TheSnide> oh. /me will be in warsaw next week ;)
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> not going back to europe until the end of July
18:25 < SupSuper> don't give my colleague ideas, he'd probably be all aboard a roadtrip across the us
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> and then probably won't leave the uk
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> If you spend 24/7 driving (literally never stop or sleep)
18:26 < TheSnide> meh, uk isn't really eu ;)
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> it'll be over 2 days
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> TheSnide: Certainly not for long! ;)
18:26 < TheSnide> lol
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> but then the whole world will be destroyed anyway
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> at least according to the hyperbole (on both sides of the 'Britain stay/leave' divide)
18:27 < TheSnide> i have some mixed feelings about it.
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't really see the issue of saying in the eu
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> even with "OMG the polish are coming!"
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> we never even got near hitting the 'immigration caps' they're worried about
18:29 < SupSuper> i don't think anyone wants to be in the EU at this rate :p
18:29 < TheSnide> ooh, "go for it, and dont annoy us anymore", otoh, "eu was all about *unity*. don't let the past divides reoccur"
18:31 < SupSuper> the eu's fine when everything's already fine, and awful when everything's already awful
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> it seems a bit "It isn't perfect"
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> so the clear solution is to throw everything away
18:32  * TheSnide secretly whishes for "1. brexit. 2 uk collapses. 3 uk goes into eu again. 4 no more *uk exception* for rules. 5. EuropeanUnitedStates emerege as a new country"
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> The UK doesn't really have any more exceptions than pretty much any other "big" eu nation
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> it's just we make a bigger deal about talking about them
18:33 < SupSuper> well when you're already struggling, what more can you lose
18:33 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: everyone wants some "coz uk has some"
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> If we just shut up about them it wouldn't be a big deal
18:34 < SupSuper> the economic standardization is great for the big guys, but not when you need the flexibility to fix your shit up
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> but locally they pander to the "UK is totally special" by pretending they're a big deal
18:34 < TheSnide> i'd say "bite the bullet, and make it a real county. with a real *elected* gov"
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Let's standardise on something that's already working for the "big guys
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> They are elected
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> It's just a shame the electorate is 100% dumb
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> (myself included)
18:35 < SupSuper> democracy works*!
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> democracy tends to stop people causing damage with crazy decisions
18:36 < TheSnide> SupSuper: that's a entire philosophical domain.
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> but makes 'death by 1000 cuts' near guaranteed
18:37 < TheSnide> dictatorship is way more efficient. true. yet it might not be *your* effciciency.
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> dictatorship may be great
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> but OTOH has a much higher chance of you beig put in a gulag
18:38 < TheSnide> its choosing the dictatoe that usually causes trouble
18:38 < TheSnide> ;)
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> The greeks had a the right idea
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> random ballot
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> where it's public service & a sacrifice
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> not a life goal
18:39 < TheSnide> true
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> but then again you might 'randomly' choose someone who likes "The Voice"...
18:39 < TheSnide> things got awry when politics became a *job*
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> It becomes an issue when you have to plan your life around getting "into politics"
18:40 < TheSnide> in some .ch counties IIRC they randomly choose part of local gov
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> you only get people who are willing to bet their lives on getting onto power
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> which is probably the opposite of the sort of person you want
18:41 < TheSnide> let's make it *unejoyable* to reign ;)
18:43 < TheSnide> if you limit "civil duty" to 10y per lifetime, it becomes much more difficult to walk into power
18:44 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: you'r uk ?
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm from the UK
18:45 < TheSnide> anyway.. let's pretend politics works. and go back to our mundane life ;)
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> though been working in the US for the last ~3 uears
18:46 < SupSuper> traitor :p
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug*
18:46 < TheSnide> SupSuper: pragmatic.
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll probably be kicked out back to Mexico when trump get's in anyway
18:47 < TheSnide> SupSuper: he's from UK... not EU.
18:47 < TheSnide> ;-)
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> My plan is to save up working now in the US
18:47 < TheSnide> he won't understand us.
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> then move back to sanity-land
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean, you wouldn't want to raise a family out here or anything... -_-
18:48 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: why ?
18:48 < SupSuper> family, what's that? :P
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Certainly in the bay area
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> like $1million gets you a small 2 bedroom apartment
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> It's best if I rent a shed for a couple of years
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> then live like a king on savings in the north-east of england
18:49 < TheSnide> london isn't cheapo either
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> (and at home I'm a 'small village' guy - the bay area really doesn't sit with me culturally)
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Don't like London either :)
18:49 < SupSuper> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/29/man-moves-to-san-francisco-pays-400-a-month-to-sleep-in-wooden-box-inside-friends-living-room/
18:49 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: move to utah ? ;-)
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe, it might be more "small town vs endless spawl" than "UK vs US"
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> really, the bay area is like the worse place to live ever
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> it's not no real culture - just people whose life is work
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> http://www.businessinsider.com/why-google-employees-live-in-the-parking-lot-2015-10
18:51 < TheSnide> mmm, $wife is evaluating to move there.
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, I'd recommend it for like a couple of years
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> some parts are nice, if you're a massive geek
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> get housemates
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> earn $silly
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> then 'retire' when you're 40 and do something interesting :)
18:53 < SupSuper> finally finish openapoc :p
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> sure, so if I retire in 10 years
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> then we can *start* :P
18:54 < TheSnide> oh. as we already are 40... let's directly move to then 2nd part
18:54 < TheSnide> ;-)
18:55 < TheSnide> ... so i guess it'll be more .sg than .sf ;)
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> sg?
18:56 < TheSnide> sngapore
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug*
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure what it's like over there
18:56 < TheSnide> same nolife. better pay.
18:57 < TheSnide> ;+)
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> One of my uni mates spend 2 years working near shenzen, china
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> literally living out of a hotel
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> but saved $EVERYTHING
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> as all living expenses were paid for
18:57 < TheSnide> yeah. that's the plan.
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> and he said it was useful for that long, but 'never again'....
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> careful, as certainly in the BA there's a lot of age-ism
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> people seem obsessed over the 'chance of the next best thing'
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> more than 'proven good results'
18:58 < TheSnide> ba ?
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> and that seems to extend to hiring - better to get a chance of some genius than the guarantee of 'Good'
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Bay Area
18:58 < TheSnide> oh.
18:59 < TheSnide> SG is the oppoqite.
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I think that's slowly being overturned though
18:59 < TheSnide> don't like geniuses.
18:59 < TheSnide> too hairy to manage
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> as the "Gold Rush" of startups on silly products that are loud and get aquired for $millions then never heard of again" seems to be fading
18:59 < TheSnide> better have a robot
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I would say the sort of person who can hammer together a decent prototype
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> and someone who can make a solid product
19:00 < TheSnide> oh, you mean *even* BA is feeling the turmoil ?
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> are often different (not one is better than the other, just different skillsets)
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I would say it was a mini-bubble that's slowly deflating
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe deflating due to lack of results
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe deflating to general 'financian downturn'
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure myself
19:01 < TheSnide> oh. i fully agree.
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> as I'm not interested in 'Go fast, burn out' startup culture
19:01 < TheSnide> i'm the *patching* type. not the *building* one.
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> At work I'm very much "slowly building things right"
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> which is why it's often fun to let my hair down with openapoc :P
19:02 < TheSnide> i manage to make a good product excellent. but cannot build even a decent one from scratch
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, working on embedded GPU drivers puts slightly different requirements on you than "Web App that does something kinda neat but ultimately useless"
19:03 < TheSnide> muhahaha.
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> If your web app needs refreshing before you see some photos of food so what
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> If your phone reboots when trying to call 911... we have issues
19:04 < TheSnide> $wife started new job recently. before she was in embedded soft dev. now she's in the J2ee one. she was like "OMG, OMG, OMG...
19:04 < TheSnide> "
19:06 < TheSnide> "better pay, but i don't want to be brainwashed, so let's keep searchinh ;)"
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> the bay area is terrible for that
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I do a bit of 'game dev' stuff on the side
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> more helping friends with 3d stuff
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> and they look at me funny when I prototype a little app in C or something
19:07 < TheSnide> 3d is overrated.
19:07 < TheSnide> 2
19:07 < TheSnide> 2
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than Sapphire-On-Tracks or some javascript framework
19:07 < TheSnide> 2.5d is the thng ;)
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> or $NEXT_BUT_THING
19:08 < TheSnide> js frameworks have 2016 fall collections ;)
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> node.js? pff, that's so winter 2015
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> We've moved on since then!
19:09 < TheSnide> huhu, yup
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19:10 < TheSnide> sapphire on tracks isn't so 2010 ?
19:10 < TheSnide> ok, good luck with oapoc.
19:11 < TheSnide> OApoc even. looks more hypy than the so 2014 openApoc
19:11 < TheSnide> ;-)
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> ty, we probably need it :)
19:12 < TheSnide> if i may help, i'd be glad to. but i don't think i can. ENOTIME and ENOCLUE
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19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> All help is greatly appeciated
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> even if it's just pointing out typos in my comments
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> ...Or letting me know about where there probably should be comments :)
19:16 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-1tfn6TMFw/
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> graphs??
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Where did they come from?
19:17 < Skin36_> It is a beta
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, I grabbed that the other day
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work>  but it seems to SEGV dosbox...
19:18 < Skin36_> in the original it is, -History for 52 weeks, but not displayed
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Honestly, who ever took 52 weeks to complete apoc?
19:19 < Skin36_>  :)
19:19 < TheSnide> hip.ru ?
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> crazy russians :)
19:20 < TheSnide> i use http://lut.im/
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I tend to use jonnyh.net
19:20 < TheSnide> (from a friend)
19:21 < TheSnide> yeah, selfhosting works well also
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH if there was a single cmdline image / binary / text uploader I'd probably use that
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> like sprunge but binaries too
19:29 < SupSuper> curl? :p
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> that's what sprunge uses :P
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I can pipe someting to "curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us"
19:30 < SupSuper> hah
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> but if that used fileinfo on the contents and setthe mime type accordingly it'd be perfect
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Instead it treats everything as text
19:30 < SupSuper> funny, there are a bunch of windows one-click upload tools... but they always get dated fast, so i always feel like writing my own :p
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> pipe-to-stdin is my go-to UI
19:32 < SupSuper> usually the issue is every host does things *slightly different*. unless you own it, but wrapping ftp isn't pretty either :p
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19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> surey 'http put' is a standard?
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19:36 < SupSuper> you mean there's more than get and post????? ;)
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> https://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec9.html
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Loot at all those methods nobody uses!
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19:46 < SupSuper> that's what happens when you let browsers rule
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06:15 < kkmic_> Hehe
06:15 < kkmic_> A hidden side of the Internet was revealed to SupSuper
06:16 < kkmic_> :)
06:18 < kkmic_> And they are not unused... they are not used mostly because GET and POST will usually cover all edge cases
06:19 < kkmic_> I made use myself of the HEAD one for several projects
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07:28 < TheSnide> PUT, PATCH & DELETE get some light due to REST
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17:49 < Skin36_> hi
17:49 <@JonnyH> hey
17:50 < Skin36_> im have a question)
17:50 <@JonnyH> shoot
17:52 < Skin36_> name building ...
17:52 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-3tfn6TMGj/
17:52 < Skin36_> on start a game it name a building
17:53 < Skin36_> name index:
17:53 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-5tfn6TMGk/
17:55 <@JonnyH> no idea...
17:56 <@JonnyH> maybe it's looking up the "function" text?
17:56 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-6tfn6TMGl/
17:56 < Skin36_> 37-http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-6tfn6TMGl/
17:56 <@JonnyH> Yeah, that's the "function"
17:56 < Skin36_> Building function
17:57 < Skin36_> no
17:57 < Skin36_> its not "function" text
17:58 <@JonnyH> http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/square_small/6/60173/2402285-dosbox_2012_12_28_15_46_29_69.jpg
17:58 < Skin36_> its  http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-2tfn6TMGm/
17:58 <@JonnyH> Ok, so you're asking why it's indexing the 'building_names' list with a variable that seems to come from 'building_function'?
18:01 < Skin36_> these names already defined in the file SITYMAP *.BILD why they redefined?
18:03 <@JonnyH> There isn't an index for the names in the .BLD file
18:03 <@JonnyH> I just assumed they were in order
18:03 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-1tfn6TMGn/
18:03 <@JonnyH> I haven't gone through all the maps and verified that is true though
18:03 <@JonnyH> Looks like they are in order there?
18:04 <@JonnyH> So that may be the 'correct' way of doing it, but they happen to have the same results?
18:04 < Skin36_> the order corresponds to the order of names on the map
18:05 <@JonnyH> I guess that index is a set of [25] names for each building 'type'
18:05 <@JonnyH> and we probably *should* use that instead of just assuming the .bld order matches the name order
18:05 < Skin36_> I did not find differences
18:06 <@JonnyH> Still, if someone modded/changed it maybe we should do it 'right' anyway
18:06 < Skin36_> yes, 25 variant
18:06 < Skin36_> I guess that index is a set of [25] names for each building 'type'    yes
18:07 <@JonnyH> so it does:
18:07 <@JonnyH> For each building type, loop through all buildings
18:07 <@JonnyH> If the building matches the 'current' type, set the name to build_name_ind[current_type][number_of_this_type]
18:07 <@JonnyH> then increment number_of_this_type
18:08 < Skin36_> maybe it's the rest of the city map generator?
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18:09 <@JonnyH> hey pmprog 
18:09 <@pmprog> Morning JonnyH et all
18:09 < Skin36_> hi pmprog
18:09 <@pmprog> Hi Skin36_
18:09 <@pmprog> How is everyone?
18:09 <@JonnyH> I'm good thanks
18:09 < Skin36_> good )
18:10 <@pmprog> glad to hear
18:10 <@JonnyH> Currently getting a bit confused about the apoc data files
18:11 <@JonnyH> They seem to like putting redundant info in them
18:11 <@JonnyH> (Or we're missing something :)
18:11 <@pmprog> Perhaps they were for features that got cut?
18:11 <@JonnyH> Just seems to be building names
18:12 <@JonnyH> An overly-complex way of assigning names that has exactly the same results as the simple way :P
18:12 <@pmprog> Lookup table based on a linked list based on RNG?
18:13 <@JonnyH> Naa, looping through all buildings for each building "type"
18:13 <@JonnyH> counting how many of each type there are
18:13 <@pmprog> Is that to say "SLUMS_1" and "SLUMS_2"?
18:13 <@JonnyH> and assigning the name based on the 'count' of each building from a table of type indices
18:14 <@JonnyH> which happens to be an ordered integer array... (1,2,3,4,5....)
18:14 <@pmprog> :)
18:14 <@JonnyH> The names "Whatever Apartments" "Something-or-other block" are indexed by 'building type'
18:15 <@JonnyH> a 2d array of [type][index]
18:15 <@JonnyH> with a max index of 25 (so max 25 buildings of each type)
18:15 <@JonnyH> I can only assume some coder was being paid by the line
18:16 <@JonnyH> brb
18:16 <@pmprog> Unless their plan was for rebuilding destroyed buildings, or maybe some cities were going to be larger or whatnot?
18:16 <@JonnyH> Maybe renaming buildings as they changed hands?
18:18 <@pmprog> Possibly
18:18 < Skin36_> This function works only at the beginning of the game and in the editor
18:19 <@pmprog> Oh, then I guess my best guess would be that they were going to have maps of different sizes (different number of buildings), but scaled back due to memory or something?
18:20 < Skin36_> Why should buildings be assigned the same names that they already have?
18:23 <@pmprog> Maybe they originally were going to allocate them through the array, but then added the quicker route and forgot to take out the other?
18:23 <@pmprog> I'm just guessing wildly now
18:26 <@JonnyH> back
18:26 <@JonnyH> Maybe they intended to be able to build new buildings?
18:26 <@JonnyH> So would need a name 'pool' for each type?
18:26 < Skin36_> pmprog you're right, this piece seems not work
18:26 < Skin36_> http://pastebin.com/h5iUL08N
18:27 < Skin36_> or no ?
18:28 <@JonnyH> half the apoc code seems to be stubbed out and disabled features :P
18:30 < Skin36_>  :)
18:30 <@JonnyH> It probably makes your work even harder skin - figuring out what's useful and what's not...
18:32 <@pmprog> What's "a1" on the first line?
18:32 <@JonnyH> IIRC IDA names the arguments (a...)
18:33 <@JonnyH> From the context I guess it's a pointer to the 'current building' struct?
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18:34 < Skin36_> a1 its 226 building struc
18:35 <@pmprog> It's very confusing v34 seems to point to the building struct, yet v3 is just the reference? On line 11 it clears a single building name
18:36 <@JonnyH> v3 in incremented at the end of the while(1) loop
18:36 <@JonnyH> so whats effectively:
18:36 <@pmprog> ah, missed that bit
18:36 <@JonnyH> while (1) { if (building_num > bld_count) break; ... do stuff to current building... ; current_building++; num_buildings++}
18:37 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-4tfn6TMGq/   its exit ?
18:37 <@JonnyH> Not sure why *v34 is used in the loop though
18:38 <@JonnyH> maybe the 'first building struct member' actually has some global data in it?
18:38 <@pmprog> Okay, so I'm lost on what you're confused for... The first loop clears it's name, and calculates the number of buildings in the map, the second loop works out who owns what, then the third seems to assign names
18:39 <@pmprog> Is it just because they could have done the third loop inside the first?
18:39 <@JonnyH> v3 contains the 'current building'
18:39 <@pmprog> v3 isn't used in the last "naming" loop
18:39 <@JonnyH> *v34 contains the 'first building' - v34 doesn't seem to be incremented in the loop?
18:39 <@JonnyH> I'm just looking in the first loop (counting the number of tiles in the building?)
18:40 < Skin36_> yep
18:41 <@JonnyH> should I be amused that the first loop is checking against the variable 'bld_count'
18:41 <@JonnyH> while the second just does ( < 37) :P
18:41 <@JonnyH> magic numbers...
18:41 < Skin36_> not
18:41 <@pmprog> Perhaps some maps were smaller?
18:42 <@pmprog> I'll be honest, it looks very confusing
18:42 <@JonnyH> Could well be some half-assed code to deal with different sized maps?
18:42 <@JonnyH> afk again for a few
18:42 <@pmprog> What does this code do -- ++*&v34[4];
18:42 < Skin36_> 37 its     http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-4tfn6TMGs/
18:48 < Skin36_> ++*&v34[4]; its ida bug
18:49 < Skin36_> its only increment
18:50 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-3tfn6TMGt/
18:51 <@pmprog> Ah, okay :)
18:56 < TheSnide> that's the asm of ?
18:59 < Skin36_> yess
19:07 <@JonnyH> Skin36_: is that not incrementing * (v32 + 4)?
19:07 <@JonnyH> v34 sorry
19:08 <@JonnyH> Not 'v34' itself?
19:10 < Skin36_> not
19:12 < Skin36_> *&v34[4] = 0;   = ++*&v34[4];  a variable
19:12 < Skin36_> only
19:12 < Skin36_> *v34 pounter
19:12 <@JonnyH> Oh, so 'v34' is on the stack and so v34[4] is just the next temporary?
19:13 < Skin36_> yes
19:13 <@JonnyH> an ida disasm 'weirdness'?
19:13 < Skin36_> It is often
19:17 < Skin36_> here's another interesting field for buildings ...
19:17 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-3tfn6TMGu/
19:18 <@JonnyH> ..hotels?
19:18 < Skin36_> or
19:18 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-2tfn6TMGv/
19:18 < Skin36_> yes
19:19 < Skin36_> respect
19:19 <@JonnyH> Maybe that's some remanant of the VIP code? Like deciding where they 'go'?
19:19 <@JonnyH> ...why do buildings need respect??
19:19 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: Skin36_ has been looking into the 'original' apoc
19:19 <@JonnyH> to try to figure out how the hell it works
19:19 < Skin36_> $$needed
19:19 <@JonnyH> (Apparently the answer is 'weirdly')
19:20 <@JonnyH> Maybe $$needed == "upkeep cost" or something?
19:20 < Skin36_> hm
19:22 < Skin36_> $$needed +-  more precisely
19:23 <@JonnyH> maybe it could be negative?
19:23 <@JonnyH> ...Or the +- means it's a 'range'
19:23 <@JonnyH> like a small randomiser on something?
19:26 < TheSnide> oh, reverse eng
19:27 <@JonnyH> yeah, Skin36_ is our resident reverse engineer genius
19:27 < TheSnide> ... that's why you are coding so fast ;)
19:27 < TheSnide> you know what to do ;)
19:27 < TheSnide> (just choose the how)
19:29 <@JonnyH> yeah, I already have a list of things Skin36_ has already figured out
19:29 <@JonnyH> but I've not yet implemented
19:29 <@JonnyH> so he's going too fast :P
19:29 <@JonnyH> (though a lot of the 'core design' of openapoc is quite different to the original - so it's not as simple as 'doing the same thing')
19:39 < Skin36_> im go sleep now  :)
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19:39 <@JonnyH> night
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19:57 <@pmprog> Sorry, got dragged away, and shutting down now. Catch you next time
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19:58 <@JonnyH> o7
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21:05 < SupSuper> so any updates?
21:05 <@JonnyH> from me?
21:05 <@JonnyH> not really...
21:06 < SupSuper> just in general
21:06 < SupSuper> any new secrets uncovered?
21:06 <@JonnyH> just some weirdness about how buildings are named
21:07 <@JonnyH> and some 'early' info on how income is generated
21:07 < SupSuper> weirdness?
21:08 <@JonnyH> like there is an index in the .bld file that *seemed* to me to be the index into the name array
21:08 <@JonnyH> but Skin36 showed some code that suggested it's actually some weird combination of a lookup into list of name indices for each building 'function'
21:09 <@JonnyH> ...but they seem to have exactly the same result at the end of the day...
21:09 <@JonnyH> I might implement Skin36's found code chunk and see if it matches exactly for all maps, as I can't be bothered to manually double check each building against the original dosbox game ;)
21:10 < SupSuper> well i did mention there was something magical about the building type strings before
21:10 < SupSuper> though they're probably just flavor
21:13 <@JonnyH> I *suspect* the intention was new buildings could be built
21:13 <@JonnyH> then you have a pool of names for each 'type'
21:13 <@JonnyH> Like you don't want to call an apartment building "Warehouse 5"
21:15 < SupSuper> and possibly their role could actually dictate behavior
21:15 < SupSuper> i guess it was more important when owners were dynamic, otherwise it's pretty obvious what buildings are for based on who owns them
21:16 <@JonnyH> Maybe? I *think* it's involved in the 'random vehicle pathfinding'
21:16 <@JonnyH> like emergency vehicles are more likely to visit the rescue place
21:16 <@JonnyH> and cargo trucks the warehouses etc.
21:16 < SupSuper> time to start peeking where all the supply trucks come from
21:16 <@JonnyH> and it seems like the organisation income is calculated per building
21:16 <@JonnyH> based on how many tiles there are
21:17 <@JonnyH> and the building type (IE larger building = more income, some building types have higher income than others)
21:17 <@JonnyH> plus the types are obviously used to select the tacmap :)
21:18 < SupSuper> so probably the same as the price
21:18 < SupSuper> which from observation was number_of_tiles * some_magical_value_number
21:18 <@JonnyH> there seems to be an 'upkeep' per tile too
21:18 <@JonnyH> which seems odd to me, as you could have just taken that off the income ;)
21:19 < SupSuper> god we're gonna have to restore all this functionality aren't we :p
21:19 <@JonnyH> not even scratched the surface yet
21:19 < SupSuper> at least it makes the archeology more exciting
21:22 < SupSuper> even if it makes the development much slower :p
21:23 <@JonnyH> It seems to be "Look at all this weirdly overdone and overly complex code that does a simple thing"
21:24 <@JonnyH> ..."I wonder if this was intended to do *really fancy thing* but was disabled halfway through?"
21:27 < SupSuper> only one way to find out! *kidnaps gollop*
21:28  * JonnyH books ticket to bulgaria
21:30 < SupSuper> it probably would take less time
21:30 <@JonnyH> Depends how much he remembers/was actually involved with coding
21:31 <@JonnyH> and how much mr. HalfBrickInASock reminds him :D
21:31 < SupSuper> i imagine he was very involved given how much he regrets it :p
21:31 < SupSuper> remembering on the other hand...
21:33 <@JonnyH> MR GOLLOP IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE YOUR CHILDREN AGAIN SEND DETAILED NOTES ON HOW FIRE SPREADS TO THIS NUMBERED SWISS ACCOUNT
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21:35 <@JonnyH> That reminds me, we haven't even started on the battlescape :)
21:36 < SupSuper> surely it's just a tileview ;)
21:36 <@JonnyH> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/05/26/may-update-for-the-cc-extension-in-visual-studio-code/
21:36 <@JonnyH> VS:Code now has clang-format integration?
21:36  * JonnyH hopes that'll make it to full-fat vs
21:36 <@JonnyH> then you can all stop checking in bad indents :)
21:38 <@JonnyH> so.. is VS:Code a parallel project? Or are the intending to merge it in/replace the VS editor at some point?
21:38 <@JonnyH> 'caus ms currently seems to have 2 IDEs?
21:38 < SupSuper> it's probably just 2 different GUIs for the same backend
21:38 <@JonnyH> naa, it runs in linux and it all JS based IIRC
21:39 <@JonnyH> so doubt it's the same codebase
21:39 < SupSuper> yeah but i mean that's the frontend. presumably all the magical compiler stuff is very similar
21:40 < SupSuper> or at least the stuff they can afford to cross-platform :p
21:40 <@JonnyH> it doesn't use the same project files, and relies on external make etc. too?
21:40 <@JonnyH> but honestly, I've never really had a look..
21:40 <@JonnyH> *downloads now*
21:40 < SupSuper> well you can also point vs at other tools now (and it soon won't need project files either)
21:40 <@JonnyH> yeah, it's node.js based?
21:41 < SupSuper> yeah it probably uses the same thing that all the webby editors use (cloud9/atom/sublime/etc)
21:42 < SupSuper> but i doubt it will ever replace vs as that's a legacy behemoth (it doesn't even have 64-bit!)
21:42 < SupSuper> it's probably more of an exercise in "we can't cross-platform vs, but we can cross-platform bits of it"
21:42 <@JonnyH> it's all based on office
21:42 <@JonnyH> as installing office 2013 conflicted with some of the core stuff IIRC
21:43 < SupSuper> office has 64-bit at least :p
21:43 <@JonnyH> if you buy the 64-bit version - different sku
21:44 < SupSuper> luckily i have msdn ;)
21:44 <@JonnyH> show off...
21:44 < SupSuper> also there's a clang-format extension for full vs but no actual *docs* on it anywhere, probably because nobody uses it... kinda wish microsoft made their own instead
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22:14 <@JonnyH> My 'openapoc dev' thoughts are still circling around gamestate BS at the minute
22:14 <@JonnyH> like I've implemented a *working* state delta using macros
22:14 <@JonnyH> but it's *really* ugly
22:14 < SupSuper> ok i figured out how the visual studio clang-format plugin works, it's just not intuitive at all :p
22:14 <@JonnyH> oh?
22:15 < SupSuper> well first you have to install clang for windows first, but the 32-bit one! vs doesn't seem to like the 64-bit one
22:15 <@JonnyH> of course, 'caus that *totally* makes a difference...?
22:15 < SupSuper> then you install the plugin from the nightlies page (there isn't a release version for some reason)
22:16 <@JonnyH> do people still use 32bit? :P
22:16 < SupSuper> like i said, vs is 32-bit :p
22:16 <@JonnyH> naa, but it's just calling an external process right?
22:16 <@JonnyH> It's not re-implementing clang-format against libclang itself right?
22:16 <@JonnyH> right????
22:16 < SupSuper> probably, but i dunno how inter-process communication works
22:16  * JonnyH is never sure with windwos tools
22:17 < SupSuper> anyways then you have to dig into the hidden vsclangformat options and set style to "file" so it actually picks up your clang-format
22:17 <@JonnyH> Did you use your budding psychic powers to figure this out?
22:17 < SupSuper> and then, *finally*, you can use clang-format... by manually selecting the piece of text you wanna format and selecting "tools > clang-format". there is no batch functionality
22:18 < SupSuper> also this screams "sample": http://puu.sh/pdh7W/d67e7ed518.png
22:19 < SupSuper> talk about the black sheep of the family
22:19 <@JonnyH> none of the vs icons make sense, they're just keeping to that tradition
22:19 <@JonnyH> how about just adding clang-format to your git commit hooks?
22:19 < SupSuper> we're number one! we're number one!
22:56 <@JonnyH> Bah, I keep forgetting just hot limited opengles2 really is...
22:56 <@JonnyH> Annoyingly, the hw supports many of the things I want to do
22:56 <@JonnyH> just not exposed through the driver...
22:57 < SupSuper> gonna write your own driver huh
23:00 <@JonnyH> I wonder if people would be OK with weird shader binary blobs :)
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15:30 < Skin36_> hi
15:32 < Skin36_> I figured out how the calculation of of funfs for the week
15:33 < Skin36_> *funds
15:34 <@JonnyH> hi Skin36_ 
15:34 <@JonnyH> Great :)
15:34 <@JonnyH> Don't forget to put it on the forums
15:34 <@JonnyH> I've gotta go to work in a few mins, so won't be able to work on it *right now* :P
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19:24 < Skin36_> hi
19:25 <@JonnyH> hey
19:27 < Skin36_> I seem to understand how finances are calculated
19:27 < Skin36_> its seems bed
19:27 <@JonnyH> crazy complex is it?
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19:28 < Skin36_> not
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19:29 <@JonnyH> hey pmprog_laptop
19:29 < Skin36_> its very simple
19:29 < pmprog_laptop> Mornink
19:29 <@JonnyH> ...afternoon :)
19:29 < Skin36_> hi
19:29 < pmprog_laptop> how's it going?
19:29 <@JonnyH> good, good
19:30 <@JonnyH> Randomly browsing forums while -pretending to work- working Really Hard
19:30 < pmprog_laptop> sounds like my work, only I spend as much time on The Register too
19:30 <@JonnyH> ooh, bofh, that's something that'll waste another few mins ;)
19:33 <@JonnyH> also doing a few GLES ports for some pandora games, which might be nice :)
19:33 <@JonnyH> BTW do you know if anyone has tried regal on the pandora?
19:34 < Skin36_> funnds incom based on score system only
19:34 < pmprog_laptop> Nice. And no, I don't think so, but not sure what it is
19:34 <@JonnyH> it's an implementation of 'desktop opengl' on gles
19:35 <@JonnyH> (Or emulating 'newer' versions of opengl on older)
19:35 < pmprog_laptop> Hmm, there's a few posts on it
19:35 < pmprog_laptop> https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/search/190054/?q=regal&o=relevance
19:35 <@JonnyH> IIRC glwrap does the same, but limited to gles1?
19:36 < pmprog_laptop> Don't ask me :)
19:36 <@JonnyH> TBH people still using gles1 kinda makes me shudder...
19:36 < pmprog_laptop> I still don't know if shaders are possible on the Pandora
19:37 < pmprog_laptop> Not that I've ever used them
19:37 <@JonnyH> yeah, it has full gles2 support
19:37 <@JonnyH> which can be quite a bit faster than gles1 as you can limit the shaders to what you actally use
19:37 < pmprog_laptop> Hmmm, does that mean the Allegro Shader functions would work? Maybe I should look into what you can actually do with shaders
19:40 <@JonnyH> BTW I recently built a full hardfloat root image for the pandy to get openapoc working on it
19:40 <@JonnyH> I think I'm realistically going to have to wait for the pyra...
19:41 < pmprog_laptop> petitSeb says he's compiled but never used Regal -- https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/neverball-neverputt.74201/page-2#post-1300665
19:41 <@JonnyH> without putting a lot of time into it :)
19:41 < pmprog_laptop> Notaz released some changes which add hardfloat support IIRC
19:42 <@JonnyH> The issue I had was finding a sgx hardfloat driver
19:42 < pmprog_laptop> What games were you thinking of porting?
19:43 < pmprog_laptop> Not that I haven't loaded up anything other than Vice and Deadbeef in a long time (and maybe DraStic and FBA)
19:44 <@JonnyH> i spent a bit of time the other day trying to wedge as much of the pcsx renderer into gles2 as possible
19:44 <@JonnyH> It's really annoying knowing the hw supports a feature, but it's not exposed through gles -_-
19:47 < pmprog_laptop> I loved poor SNESFANs post in the M4 roadmap thread -- https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/roadmap-using-the-cortex-m4-cpus.77494/page-2#post-1381229
19:47 < pmprog_laptop> Sort of sums up some of the community members for me
19:48 <@JonnyH> ITT: If I plug in my arduino into my PC, I can use that to make it run faster, right?
19:48 < pmprog_laptop> Hehe, well, that's not quite what some of us were thinking about
19:49 <@JonnyH> It's great for stuff like background tasks that keep running even if the a15 is off
19:49 < pmprog_laptop> There was kinda a mixed suggestion. But one of them is a low power mode that could be used to run the phone segments; maybe even a low power MP3 player
19:49 <@JonnyH> sure, you might be able to use that to drive the dsp/audio decoder with the ap off
19:50 < pmprog_laptop> That's the thing, I don't think anybody really knows, yet some people wade in going "Not possible"
19:50 <@JonnyH> sure, it'll be possible
19:50 <@JonnyH> but they can't run full linux/the same armv7a binaries
19:51 < pmprog_laptop> That's okay, at least as far as I'm concerned
19:51 < pmprog_laptop> Having it handle phone and GPS is sufficient for me
19:51 <@JonnyH> TBH you can probably do that with the dsp on the pandora
19:51 <@JonnyH> IIRC the phone is handed by the modem
19:51 <@JonnyH> they have microcontrollers of their own
19:51 < pmprog_laptop> and obviously an MP3 boot mode would be fantastic
19:52 <@JonnyH> something like opportunistic sleep on android should be do-able
19:52 <@JonnyH> like set a mp3 player going on the m4/dsp
19:52 <@JonnyH> then let the a15 go into suspend
19:52 <@JonnyH> and power off
19:52 < pmprog_laptop> Sounds good to me
19:52 <@JonnyH> the m4 then interrupts the a15 to wake it when it's running out of buffers to playu
19:52 <@JonnyH> it wakes to dump more data...
19:53 <@JonnyH> AKA what android does today
19:53 < pmprog_laptop> I often wondered what it'd be like if I actually followed up on most of my project ideas...
19:53 <@JonnyH> You would either be super productive
19:53 <@JonnyH> Or a complete burned our wreck
19:53 < pmprog_laptop> Well, I think I'm pretty much a burnt out wreck anyway
19:53 <@JonnyH> Some part of me wants to use *all* of the omap5
19:53 < pmprog_laptop> I think that's why most of my projects suffer
19:53 <@JonnyH> it's like a grab bag of weird bits of hardware
19:54 <@JonnyH> like 4 different ways of compositing/blitting pixels around
19:54 <@JonnyH> people like apple went the opposite way
19:54 <@JonnyH> where instead of having 50 slightly different dedicated units
19:54 <@JonnyH> they used the extra transistor/space budget to make the 'general purpose' parts better
19:54 <@JonnyH> and just use those
19:55 <@JonnyH> "Run the android kernel on the m4s"
19:55 <@JonnyH> pff hehe
19:56 < pmprog_laptop> I often wonder whether I should try and learn GL and shaders etc.... and on the other hand, I sometimes wonder if I should try and move to game making tools like Unity... then I just go back to my C++/Allegro projects
19:56 < pmprog_laptop> I used to like the idea of Android on the Pyra... I have a few Android apps... but I guess I wouldn't cry if I never used them again
19:57 < pmprog_laptop> although the banking ones are helpful
19:57 <@JonnyH> you might be able to get art runtime running on the pyra reasonably enough
19:57 <@JonnyH> but I suspect the banking stuff uses some of the more esoteric android APIs
19:57 <@JonnyH> for 'security' etc.
19:59 <@JonnyH> Bah, stupid omap5, stupid 5 year old soc...
20:00 < pmprog_laptop> :)
20:00 < pmprog_laptop> brb
20:04 < pmprog_laptop> back
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20:08 < pmprog_laptop> Bah, not heard from my artist in ages
20:08 <@JonnyH> you have an artist?
20:08 <@JonnyH> You keep him in the basement and feed him fish heads? :P
20:08 < pmprog_laptop> haha, not quite. He's my friend, but he said he'd work on some art for my Ivan game
20:09 < pmprog_laptop> I could possibly do all the art myself, but it'll delay the game. Not that I have a deadline or anything
20:10 < pmprog_laptop> This is the main character that I designed -- https://github.com/pmprog/IvanIronfist/blob/master/resources/ivan_placeholder.png
20:19 <@JonnyH> ...oops
20:19 <@JonnyH> I suspect I may have just thrown out my new drivers license
20:19 <@JonnyH> and kept my out of date one...
20:19  * JonnyH is not a smart man
20:19 < pmprog_laptop> d'oh
20:20 <@JonnyH> Noticed just as one of my co-workers asked if I could sit in the car for his drivers test...
20:20 <@JonnyH> AKA I look like a complete dumbass right now...
20:22 < pmprog_laptop> Will you be able to find it in your rubbish?
20:23 <@JonnyH> It was collected on tues...
20:23 < pmprog_laptop> :-(
20:23 <@JonnyH> Whelp, time to get another dmv appointment
20:24 < pmprog_laptop> Can they not just reissue lost cards? Surely they have a record you received one
20:24 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I guess so, it's still on the dmv online system as "I have a valid license"
20:24 <@JonnyH> but apparently as a foreign national I can't go through the "simple" ways of doing stuff
20:27 < pmprog_laptop> pah
20:28 <@JonnyH> "Sure, I'll go to the dmv with you" ... checks wallet... "Errm... about that"
20:28 < pmprog_laptop> Well, you might need to go to the dmv too :)
20:28 <@JonnyH> yeah, but without an appointment it's like a 2 hour wait
20:28 <@JonnyH> I ain't got time for that on a workday!~
20:29 < pmprog_laptop> My wife has just said "I've been waiting for you to talk to me for 2 hours"
20:29 < pmprog_laptop> So I argued that she could have actually started talking to me :) Conversation is a two way thing
20:32 < pmprog_laptop> I better go. Hope you get your licence sorted
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22:24 <@JonnyH> g'day sup
22:27 < SupSuper> hey
22:30 < SupSuper> long day of preparations :p
22:43 <@JonnyH> preparing for what?
22:46 < SupSuper> for the work trip! leaving this saturday
22:46 <@JonnyH> Of course!
22:46 <@JonnyH> to the other side of the US than me :)
22:46 <@JonnyH> (probably for the best...)
22:48 < SupSuper> yeah can't get distracted by openapoc :p
22:49 <@JonnyH> Much more important things to do!
23:03 < SupSuper> maybe you can sneak into e3 ;)
23:36 <@JonnyH> LA?
23:36 <@JonnyH> It'll be a fair trip...
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17:06 < Skin36_> hi
17:06 <@JonnyH> good morning
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17:08 < Skin36> funding income based only score system
17:08 <@JonnyH> So funding increase only depends on your score every week?
17:08 < Skin36> yes
17:09 <@JonnyH> I guess it'll be similar to the monthly stuff in the previous xcoms...
17:09 <@JonnyH> Though I seem to remember the funding is 'paid' by the government
17:09 < Skin36> 7 level scorr system
17:09 <@JonnyH> so if they don't have enough money you only get what they can afford :)
17:13 < Skin36> there func for week calc funding
17:13 < Skin36> http://pastebin.com/D1NS3NGN
17:14 < Skin36> see line 337
17:14 <@JonnyH> there's only 332 lines?
17:15 < Skin36> 260 sorry
17:15 <@JonnyH> Oh, so it had different levels if your score is:
17:16 <@JonnyH> (-2400, -1600, -800, -400, 0, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800)
17:16 < Skin36> v53 = (v54 - (__CFSHL__(v54 >> 31, 4) + 16 * (v54 >> 31))) >> 4;    this shit only /16  ets.
17:17 < Skin36> more score more income
17:19 < Skin36> I even have thought, for what and how much give score
17:19 <@JonnyH> brb
17:19 < Skin36> kk
17:26 <@JonnyH> back - sorry about that :)
17:29 < Skin36> ok
17:31 < Skin36> oh sorry
17:31 < Skin36> v59 = save_funding[2].balance / 2;
17:31 < Skin36> 2 this  overnment ?
17:32 <@JonnyH> I think so - 0 is xcom, 1 aliens, 2 government
17:32 < Skin36> yep
17:32 <@JonnyH> So it only allows you up to half the current government balance in funding
17:33 < Skin36> hm
17:34 < Skin36>       v57 += dword_E0C5C[2 * v58];
17:34 < Skin36>       v55 += dword_E0C60[2 * v58];
17:34 < Skin36> v57  week score
17:34 < Skin36> v55  total score
17:38 < Skin36> weight          http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-2tfn6TMHV/
17:39 <@JonnyH> Nice!
17:40 <@JonnyH> I guess from that we can actually start calculating a score :)
17:44 < Skin36> cool
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18:39 < TheSnide> Skin36: btw, why *img* instead of textual ?
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC the 'free' version of the ida decompiler restricts copy/paste :P
18:41 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: really ?
18:41 < TheSnide> nothing a good OCR cannot handle :)
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> wait... that wasn't ida, but some other one I was trying out...
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe ida too? *shrug*
18:41 < TheSnide> i was wondering about it running in dosbox, and not being able to copy/paste
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19:01 < Skin36> coz JonnyH ban me for many text )
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, I'm banning people?
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Or do you just mean pasting lots of text in irc?
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> as that does break irc :P
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume TheSnide was referring to using an image pasting site instead of a 'text' pasting site
19:26 < Skin36> I'm joking)
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
19:27 < Skin36> http://pastebin.com/D1NS3NGN   is that not text
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup, that's text
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> git http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-2tfn6TMHV/ is an image?
19:28 < Skin36> yep its only 7 value
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18:22 < Skin36_> hi
18:22 <@JonnyH> o7
18:22 < Skin36_>   :o
18:24 < Skin36_> you could see that the mean image in beta PLANET.PSK ?
18:25 <@JonnyH> Nope, what's that?
18:26 < Skin36_> image
18:26 < Skin36_> u can extract ?
18:27 <@JonnyH> yeah, got a copy around here somewhere...
18:27 <@JonnyH> ...can't find anything called planet.psk...
18:27 <@JonnyH> what's the path?
18:27 < Skin36_> ufodata
18:27 <@JonnyH> Ooh, planet.pck :)
18:28 < Skin36_> yes )
18:28 < Skin36_> googl translit )
18:28 <@JonnyH> :)
18:29 <@JonnyH> If you're on linux you can probably try my xcapoc-resources project...
18:29 <@JonnyH> I'll give that a go see ifit works
18:29 < Skin36_> no linux in ma comp )
18:31 < Skin36_> I wonder what these 10 maps?  ASTRUC0*.MAP
18:32 <@JonnyH> not sure, but clearly not citymap files - much too small...
18:32 <@JonnyH> Maybe part of the alien structure -> tactical map link?
18:33 < Skin36_> should be checked, it is difficult to say
18:34 <@JonnyH> not sure if it's worth it..
18:34 <@JonnyH> Might be useful if it gives us clues on how the released version works
18:34 <@JonnyH> or if we want to include resources that are only ijn the beta
18:34 <@JonnyH> but it'll be lower priority than the released version :)
18:39 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/beta/
18:39 <@JonnyH> not sure whic is the correct palette..
18:39 <@JonnyH> but they look like spheres - so maybe the plan was you can traven to different planets?
18:47 < Skin36_> interesting
18:49 < Skin36_> ASTRUC is planet map
18:54 < Skin36_> if we decide to add it, it will be necessary to have two CD?
19:03 <@JonnyH> don't think so? We can have directories as data sources too
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19:16 <@JonnyH> hey pmprog_laptop 
19:16 < pmprog_laptop> Hiya, how's things?
19:16 <@JonnyH> Quiet :)
19:16 <@JonnyH> Not looked at openapoc the last couple of weeks
19:17 <@JonnyH> and sup's on some business trip
19:18 < pmprog_laptop> Fair enough :) I'm being killed by hayfever
19:19 <@JonnyH> I used to get that awfully
19:19 <@JonnyH> but not noticed anything since moving over here...
19:19 <@JonnyH> Maybe different pollen types?
19:19 < pmprog_laptop> Think mine's grass
19:20 <@JonnyH> Or my house used to back onto fields, but here's a bit more urban
19:20 < pmprog_laptop> but it wrecks my eyes
19:21 <@JonnyH> I think it's officially time to update my PC too
19:22 <@JonnyH> My new laptop now has a faster cpu than my desktop )
19:22 < pmprog_laptop> My game has stalled... in fact, everything in my life has stalled
19:22 < pmprog_laptop> Wow, that's impressive
19:22 <@JonnyH> Take a couple of weeks off then, no need to burnout
19:23 <@JonnyH> so you don't feel like you *should* be doing anyhting to it :)
19:23 < pmprog_laptop> Well, I'm on holiday for 10 days. Going to Anglesey, so was thinking of leaving the laptop at home
19:23 < pmprog_laptop> I'm already burnt out
19:23 < pmprog_laptop> Wonder if I'll ever not be any more
19:25 < pmprog_laptop> I don't think having two developer jobs helps either
19:25 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I think I'll leave my laptop when visiting the uk next month...
19:25 <@JonnyH> Sometimes I kinda feel I should get a job in a completely unrelated field
19:25 <@JonnyH> to leave my 'developer effort' for my own projects
19:25 < pmprog_laptop> I'm always thinking that
19:26 < pmprog_laptop> Even to a point I was thinking of going stacking shelves in a supermarket
19:26 <@JonnyH> Or save for like ~5 years living frugally
19:26 <@JonnyH> then 'retire' when I'm 30
19:26 <@JonnyH> (or move to part time or something)
19:26 < pmprog_laptop> haha, well, I'm already "part time". My day job is 4 days a week
19:27 < pmprog_laptop> I plan to retire at 45 and move to Llandudno
19:27 < pmprog_laptop> :-D
19:27 < pmprog_laptop> I could do with completing my game and it being somewhat successful
19:28 < pmprog_laptop> Doesn't have to be "very successful", we're not big spenders
19:28 <@JonnyH> Meh, I don't think games as income is a good investment
19:28 <@JonnyH> It seems you only ever get "MASSIVE BREAKOUT HIT" or nothing
19:28 <@JonnyH> a massive gulf in between...
19:28 <@JonnyH> but you never know :)
19:28 <@JonnyH> it might just be those are the two kinds of people loud on the internet
19:28 <@JonnyH> the people just earning a living aren't wasting their time on forums :)
19:28 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, I bet... Still, if I can make the game, would be worth seeing what would happen
19:30 < pmprog_laptop> Well, my friend knows one of the developers of Gang Beasts. It came out about 4 years ago, they've done nothing since (as far as their website declares), yet they are still "in business"
19:35 <@JonnyH> I don't really know many gamedevs irl :)
19:35 <@JonnyH> I suspect most can't afford it in the bay area...
19:35 <@JonnyH> if you don't *need* to be here
19:35 <@JonnyH> it really doesn't make sense...
19:41 <@JonnyH> offtopic: can you remember if the pyra was intending to use X or wayland?
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19:49 < pmprog_laptop> Pyra's planning on X for now AFAIK
19:51 <@JonnyH> I'm poking around in #dragonbox-pyra
19:52 < pmprog_laptop> hope it's better than #openpandora is/was :)
20:04 < pmprog_laptop> Wow, you're getting harrassed :)
20:04 <@JonnyH> :)
20:04 <@JonnyH> Valid questions IMHO
20:06 <@JonnyH> I do kinda want the pyra to do well
20:06 <@JonnyH> and am willing to put in effort to help it
20:06 <@JonnyH> plus the 'challenge' of actually using 'all' the omap5 crazy hw blocks
20:06 < pmprog_laptop> Not disagreeing :)
20:07 <@JonnyH> 'caus I wrote the hwcomposer used on omap for android
20:07 <@JonnyH> and that was clearly lightyears ahead of what the pandora does today (and what the pyra can do)
20:08 < pmprog_laptop> I certainly hope that the pyra does benefit from your knowledge and we do actually get a nice machine
20:20 <@JonnyH> This is fun :)
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20:27 < pmprog> crappy network driver :(
20:27  * JonnyH just found out the git messages are translated when pulling from a foreign server
20:27 <@JonnyH> At least I hope so, or someone has replaced my locale with german again...
20:28 < pmprog> ?
20:28 < pmprog> sounds crazy
20:35 <@JonnyH> Cloning into 'gta04-kernel'...
20:35 <@JonnyH> remote: Zähle Objekte: 5902438, Fertig.
20:35 <@JonnyH> remote: Komprimiere Objekte: 100% (863409/863409), Fertig.
20:35 <@JonnyH> *shrug*
20:35 < pmprog> FERTIG!!!
20:54 < pmprog> heading bed. g'night
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14:50 <@JonnyH> hello again pmprog :)
14:50 < pmprog_laptop> morning
14:50 < pmprog_laptop> hows things?
14:50 <@JonnyH> Alright, asking for permission to help out the pandora guys
14:50  * JonnyH is actually somewhat optimistic
14:50 < pmprog_laptop> Wow, neat
14:51 <@JonnyH> as in I haven't got a 'no' :)
14:51 < pmprog_laptop> That'd be pretty great if you could
14:52 <@JonnyH> I'm also bringing up the open-source discussion again... not much hope there though
14:53 <@JonnyH> We were burned by that a while back, and the guys in charge still shy away from even thinking about that :(
14:58 <@JonnyH> I also started 'porting' my craptacular bullet hell 'engine' to the pandora
14:58 <@JonnyH> It *might* be able to run it...
14:58 <@JonnyH> TBH I bet the pandora/pyra layout would be pretty cool for twin-stick style shooters....
14:58  * JonnyH has ideas....
15:02 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, there was a nice twin stick shooter ages ago, don't think it runs on modern OS though
15:03 < pmprog_laptop> TBH, I hate the Pandys nubs
15:03 <@JonnyH> my current engine makes heavy use of gles3 batching
15:03 <@JonnyH> so we get a few 10s of thousand of projectiles on screen...
15:03 <@JonnyH> I might have to rethink some of that...
15:04 <@JonnyH> I feel my thumbs are just a little too short for the pandy...
15:04 <@JonnyH> Clearly ED has massive bear-hands
15:04 < pmprog_laptop> Nice, you'll undoubtled get somebody asking you to add C4A support. I'd probably suggest Tounament Hub, but I doubt I'll ever finish that :/
15:04 <@JonnyH> c4a?
15:04 < pmprog_laptop> It's the online scoreboarding
15:05 <@JonnyH> I don't actually have a 'game' yet
15:05 < pmprog_laptop> I started Tournament Hub to make a more "complete" system, with game launcher
15:05 < pmprog_laptop> Bullethell IS the game ;-)
15:06 <@JonnyH> Like the 'spawn script' is currently a plan, not code :)
15:07 < pmprog_laptop> I love rRootage for bullet hell, but on the Pandy, the blue bullets are almost invisible to see (at least on mine)
15:37 < pmprog_laptop> JonnyH: In case you can get it develiered when you've back in the UK : http://www.watterott.com/en/OMAP5432-EVM
15:39 <@JonnyH> I *think* svtronics have them in stock too
15:39 <@JonnyH> but the checkout link just pops up a server error :)
15:40 < pmprog_laptop> Ah, try a different broswer :)
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05:00 < Kaljakoppa> R.I.P. BNC4FREE
05:00 < Kaljakoppa> Back here idling with PanicBNC :)
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17:42 < Skin36_> hi
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> hey
17:42 < Skin36_> how things ?
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> busy busy busy :P
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> not really had any time for openapoc...
17:43 < Skin36_> omg
17:44 < Skin36_> I hope this is not forever
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> me to...
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Hopefully short term
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> as a couple of co-workers are on holiday
17:45 < Skin36_> recently I figured out the algorithm of music. It is very interesting
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> oh?
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> You mean how it decides which track to play?
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Or some modification of the music data itself
17:47 < Skin36_> All music tracks are divided into four groups, each corresponding to a level of anxiety in the game. In addition, there is a play list for each group
17:48 < Skin36_> I was struck by this difficult choice, in such a simple place.
17:48 < Skin36_>  :)
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19:17 < Kaljakoppa> https://youtu.be/WHk7i4SXA-Y
19:17 < Kaljakoppa> We progressed! :P
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> :D
19:17 < Kaljakoppa> Or regressed...
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21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW so we don't waste work
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/omap5-sgx-ddk-linux/tree/ti-img-sgx/1.14.3699939/k4.4
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> is the kernel 4.7 build fixes
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> heh, wrong channel :P
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14:24 < Skin36> hi )
14:25 <@JonnyH> hey
14:27 < Skin36> I take care of the music and the level of anxiety. He began to deal with the generation of portals
14:27 <@JonnyH> Cool
14:28 <@JonnyH> Don't forget to put notes on the forum or somewhere
14:28 <@JonnyH> I still won't have time to look into much directly this week :(
14:28 < Skin36> I can not understand why portals are moving within a small range
14:30 < kkmic> Hey JonnyH
14:40 <@JonnyH> hi kkmic 
14:48 < kkmic> What's cooking?
14:49 <@JonnyH> Not much right now :)
14:49 <@JonnyH> Spent what little free time so far this week trying to get the graphics working on my pyra
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17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog
17:11 <@pmprog> Hey JonnyH`Work, how's things?
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Alright
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Got my omap5 dev board
17:11 <@pmprog> cool
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> been playing around with getting the sgx on that working
17:12 <@pmprog> that's great news
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus the pandy is a mess of 3d drivers
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm sure we can do better...
17:12 <@pmprog> yep
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> AKA we can do better :P
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> And 'caus the omap hasn't really changed, I wouldn't be surprised if we can backport everything to the pandy too...
17:13 <@pmprog> Neat
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> but, openapoc has suffered from a lack of attention :P
17:15 <@pmprog> Never mind
17:16 <@pmprog> I've been playing with some C64 development... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMhorlxntEg  -- didn't really do any work today at work
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> plus holiday next month probably means it'll be Aug before I get back in to the groove...
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
17:18 <@pmprog> I don't really help myself randomly jumping into other projects, but meh
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> plus everything is currently on fire at work
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> just as half my team are on holiday....
17:34 <@pmprog> that's usually the way :)
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18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper 
18:11 < SupSuper> heya
18:12 < SupSuper> i just did a git clone that took 117381750 ms. gamedev is amazing
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> ...someone checking in binaries?
18:13 < SupSuper> probably. the .git folder alone is 10gb
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> ugh
18:13 < SupSuper> well, binary assets
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> git relies on being able to diff stuff
18:14 < SupSuper> and for whatever reason the git server caps at 100kb/s
18:14 < SupSuper> i have recommended they look into lfs
18:16 <@pmprog> heading off, laters
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18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> cyua
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19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh god
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Just found an "Everything Is Broken" bug in our driver...
19:08 < SupSuper> rip
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> and have a device RTM this afternoon...
19:09 < SupSuper> ignore it until it goes away?
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20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> oh god EVERYTHINGS BROKEN
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> and everyone else is on holiday
20:23 < SupSuper> you should join them
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Or I could fix this...
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> It's only a fundamental rewrite of the synchronisation code
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Nothing hard... right?
20:25 < SupSuper> you've done worse i'm sure :p
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> no comment :P
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21:37 < nadir> Ah, there ya go! Perfect! Comment out the parts that break things!
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18:10 < Skin36_> hi
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14:03 < Keise> hey, anyone around?
14:06 < Keise> anyway, I was curious to get in - got the master build running from github
14:06 < Keise> problem is that it's lagging immensively and window freezes if set to highest speed
14:07 < Keise> although utilizing only 10-13% of cpu
14:07 < Keise> is it normal for Debug build? :)
14:08 < Keise> impossible to test stuff huh
14:08 < Keise> I'm on Windows btw, x86 or x64 - doesn't matter
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15:40 <@JonnyH> Keise: Yeah, that's normal for a windows debug build
15:40 <@JonnyH> We make heavy use of c++ STL containers
15:40 <@JonnyH> and the MSVC compiler makes that REALLY SLOW in debug mode
15:42 < Keise> I see
15:42 <@JonnyH> I think supsuper tried to make a "RelWithDebInfo" build type
15:42 <@JonnyH> that still has all the debug info, but turns down some of the slower STL checks
15:43 < Keise> at least release is fine
15:44 <@JonnyH> Good :D
15:44 < Keise> I'm interested in vehicle missons btw
15:44 <@JonnyH> In release mode it runs at 60fps on a nexus player (android intel atom)
15:45 <@JonnyH> Oh? Currently the mission system is kinda working
15:45 < Keise> yeah, the system is good
15:45 <@JonnyH> Are you interested from a 'dev' perspective?
15:45 < Keise> sure
15:46 < Keise> trying to write something for AttackVehicle
15:46 <@JonnyH> 'caus I've not really had time to finish it :)
15:46 <@JonnyH> Cool
15:46 < Keise> you've put it aside for now?
15:46 <@JonnyH> not specifically
15:47 <@JonnyH> But It's been crazy busy at work recently
15:47 <@JonnyH> and I'll be out the country much of next month
15:47 <@JonnyH> so haven't had time to work on *Anything*
15:47 < Keise> I hear you
15:47 < Keise> had a couple crazy weeks at work myself
15:48 <@JonnyH> Hopefully i'll get a bit more time soon, big release today hopefully means it'll calm down...
15:48 < Keise> cool
15:48 <@JonnyH> Speaking of, I've gotta go to work
15:48 <@JonnyH> I normally kinda-idle here
15:48 <@JonnyH> so I should be able to respond if you have any questions
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15:51 < Keise> okay, I'm sure something will come up
15:51 < Keise> still trying to make sense of everything
15:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Some of it doesn't really make sense :)
15:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I treated some of it as a 'learn c++11' thing
15:51 <@JonnyH`Work> and you can sort of tell I was still figuring things out...
15:51 < Keise> yea, I had a project like that :)
15:51 <@JonnyH`Work> So apologies for that in advance
15:52 < Keise> it doesn't have to be faithful to the original for now? mechanics wise..
15:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Not for the AI
15:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I want the 'mechanics' to be as similar as possible
15:53 <@JonnyH`Work> but, to be honest, the pathing and AI was so bad it makes sense to improve
15:53 < Keise> sure
15:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I want it to "play" the same
15:53 <@JonnyH`Work> so 'inaccuracies' the user doesn't really notice are fine
15:57 < Keise> yea I just wouldn't reverse the original
15:57 < Keise> although I even modded it
15:57 < Keise> toxiguns OP haha
15:57 <@JonnyH`Work> We're 'reversing it' kinda to figure out how it works generally
15:58 <@JonnyH`Work> and what all the stats in the data files actually *mean*
15:58 <@JonnyH`Work> but we're not using that as the 'one true reference' on how to actually implement it if we think we can do better
15:58 < Keise> that's what I wanter to hear
15:58 < Keise> awesome
15:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Like I said, I want to make it 'feel' the same to the casual user
16:00 <@JonnyH`Work> but we're already breaking from some things
16:00 <@JonnyH`Work> like it was locked at a 18fps update tick
16:00 <@JonnyH`Work> which feels really janky today
16:00 <@JonnyH`Work> same with the fixed point precision issues for the maps
18:15 < TheSnide_> 18fps ?
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18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, it uses the 8086 timer that runs around that
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18:39 < Keise> have shooting stuff in cityscape worked properly in the past?
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> "properly"?
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Collisions should work
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> but the damage model for vehicles isn't yet working
18:39 < Keise> my projectile does only ~50% of distance and the direction way off
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> so they're 'invincible'
18:40 < Keise> collision is fine, yeah
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> No, they should shoot straight...
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> If you wany to test it out
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> make everyone hostile (IE make Organisation::isRelatedTo() always return Hostile)
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> any they should shoot at each other
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> that *Was* working...
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18:41 < Keise> thanks
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20:53 < Keise> yeah
20:53 < Keise> figured it out
20:54 < Keise> now you can tell them to shoot each other :)
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> :D
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> The 'selection' of vehicles in the cityscape is a little dodgey
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> we currently use the voxel 'hit box'
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> which is often smaller/misaligned to the sprite
20:55 < Keise> yeah, hawk works fine but others are tricky
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I have a plan to change it so it uses the pixel bounds of the image instead
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> as I think that'll be a better user experience
20:56 < Keise> by the way projectile dissapeared because of Z overflow
20:56 < Keise> there was target +0.5 position calculation when aiming
20:56 < Keise> so it went straigth up
20:58 < Keise> because my ships fly at max height
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I think that's because the 'vehicle' tile goes from {0,0.0} to {1,1,1}, so the 'center' is at {0.5,0.5,0.5}?
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> There might be some extra offset being applied incorrectly somewhere...
20:59 < Keise> yea, I removed the offset and it's fine
21:00 < Keise> bullseye everytime heh
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I changed it a while ago so the 'position' was now the center of the tile, not {0,0,0}
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> so that offset may have been incorrect since then...
21:00 < Keise> yea it was hard to notice when vehicles are moving
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> And we have some initial reveng stuff on how the 'accuracy' value is actually used
21:01 < Keise> evasion and accuracy stuff in the original was very weird
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> but as yet not implemented...
21:01 < Keise> can't say it worked well
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Generally, things seem similar to the previous xcoms
21:02 < Keise> totally makes sense
21:02 < Keise> :)
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> (but that tends to 'break' in realtime, like it doesn't lead shots so you end up demolishing the city half the time)
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> that's one of the things I don't intend to be 'accurate to the original' with
21:03 < Keise> yea
21:04 < Keise> damage model was very simple
21:05 < Keise> I'll test some more stuff
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> directional armor + health
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> exactly the same calculations as the previous xcom's battlescape from what we can tell
21:05 < Keise> yea, damage - armor on the spot
21:06 < Keise> I remember rebalancing hoverbikes by impoving bottom armor on big UFOs
21:07 < Keise> how it works with pull requests by the way?
21:07 < Keise> if I clean it up eventually...
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW we have a clang-format script that automatically formats the code to the 'standard' style
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21:09 < Keise> useful
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> supsuper has some luck locally integrating that with his visual studio
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't really use windows so not much help unfortunately -_-
21:09 < Keise> I can figure out something..
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> if you install clang-3.8
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> you can run 'clang-format.exe -i whatever.cpp'
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> if it's run from the openapoc directory it'll automatically pick up the .clang-format settings file
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> There's also a travis-ci (for linux) and appveyor (for window) CI setup on my personal github (https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc) - I tend to use that as a 'staging' point for stuff before I push to pmpro
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> the travis one also does a clang-check static analysis pass, if you find that useful
21:14 < Keise> okay
21:16 < SupSuper> you can also install the clang-format vs addon and do it in vs
21:17 < SupSuper> but that's about your only windows options :p
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: That's nothing that can be put 'into' the repostory and kept in git is it?
21:18 < SupSuper> nah
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> :(
21:18 < SupSuper> i put a clang-win-format.bat in git you can use if you want
21:18 < SupSuper> it just clang-formats everything in source subfolders, possibly too much
21:18 < SupSuper> installing clang is pretty straightforward
21:33 < Keise> looks like plugin works
21:33 < Keise> fixed 0 lines lol
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Then we don't have to fight about tabs/spaces :)
21:38 < SupSuper> you have to highlight what you wanna format with the plugin
21:38 < SupSuper> it's not great :p
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21:58 < Skin36_> hi
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> hi Skin36_ 
22:01 < Skin36_> I found out how to appear portals, their movement and timing of UFO
22:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Nice
22:03 <@JonnyH`Work> So are they completely random?
22:03 < Skin36_> offset in save game b0(dword) is timer for portals jamp and ufo
22:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Or are there specific locations it chooses
22:04 < Skin36_>       LOWORD(v2) = make_random(2820);
22:04 < Skin36_>       v3 = 135 * v2;
22:04 < Skin36_>       LOWORD(v4) = make_random(3600);
22:04 < Skin36_>       portal_replace_count = 36 * v4 + 16 * v3 + 3110400;
22:04 < Skin36_>       portal_replace();
22:05 < Skin36_> its timer
22:05 < Skin36_> 3110400/36/60/60=24 hour
22:05 < Skin36_> interval 24...48
22:06 < Skin36_> 1 interval   0...18 hour
22:07 < Skin36_> portal jump does not depend on the complexity, but only on the week. The higher the week, the more likely to jump on.
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> 2820*135*16 + 3600*36 = 6220800 = 36*60*60*48 = 48 hours?
22:09 < Skin36_> 6220800+3110400=48
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's not 24..48 hours, but 24..72?
22:10 < Skin36_> sorry? yes
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's 24 + (rand(0-48)) hours
22:10 < Skin36_> 24...72
22:11 < Skin36_> I do not understand why they made such a complex formula, rather than a single value
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> presumably as a 16-bit imul(135) then a 32bit(shift 4) is cheaper than an imul(32)?
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> sorry, 32-bit wide imul?
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> but 2 calls to rand()? Not sure
22:13 < Skin36_> its no rand
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> make_random() sorry :P
22:14 < Skin36_> ah
22:14 < Skin36_> their own function
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean logcally it's kinda random(0-47 hours) +_ random(0-59 minutes)
22:16 < Skin36_> yes
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> but I don't know what that gives you different to random(0-48 hours) :P
22:17 < SupSuper> granularity?
22:17 < SupSuper> so you don't stare waiting for the hourly tick
22:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean random(0...9331200) as it's all in integer ticks
22:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Surely that's the same thing?
22:18 < SupSuper> true. saves on bits? :p
22:19 <@JonnyH`Work> It's all packed into a 32bit register anyway?
22:20 < Skin36_> yes
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe make_random() doesn't copy with numbers that high
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> so they split it for granularity, as you said sup
22:20 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-4tfn6TMUu/
22:21 < Skin36_> make_random()
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> it uses libc rand)?
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> and...the mouse position??
22:21 < Skin36_> yes
22:21 < Skin36_> yes
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> huh
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess it might be the libc they used (Wacom?) had limitations as to it's rand()
22:21 < SupSuper> that's an interesting way to seed it
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe it only returned a 16-bit integer?
22:22 < SupSuper> so after 10000 goes it rerolls to keep you guessing
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> no, it srand(rand)
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's still deterministic on the rand() implementation
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> so that gives you nothing 'more' random than just calling rand() without the 'reseed'
22:23 < SupSuper> it feels like the whole "the more stuff we add to it the more random it'll be!"
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, cargo-cult randomness :)
22:25 < Skin36_> )
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Unless there were noticable issues with a terrible libc rand()
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> int make_random() { return 4; }
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> much simpler :)
22:27 < SupSuper> as long as all the shots miss :p
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway... seriously... Anyone in portugal hiring an opengl driver engineer? :P
22:28 < Skin36_> I tested, values are quite different )
22:28 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: what's happening?
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> 'brexit' :P
22:29 < SupSuper> well you're technically not in the uk atm
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> The number of people who came up to me today asking "What are you going to do now?"
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> makes it sound like some kind of doomsday scenario
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> so I can only assume they know something I don't
22:29 < SupSuper> well i think everyone's been asking that to every immigrant
22:30 < SupSuper> but you have to be pretty desperate to look at portugal as a positive job market :P
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a shame as it directly causing my brother lose his job
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> But I guess that's your own fault for speciaising in EU law :P
22:35 < Skin36_> sorry, can we add portal in map ?
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22:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably, I guess I'll have to create a new TileObject
22:35 <@JonnyH`Work> You could add it as a Dooddad but that's not interact-able
22:36 < Skin36> 3 portals
22:36 < Skin36> x_portal_coord = make_random(99)
22:36 < Skin36> y_portal_coord = make_random(99)
22:36 < Skin36> z_portal_coordmake_random(6)+2
22:36 < Skin36> tile=0
22:36 <@JonnyH`Work> So, it's just a random position with a z from 2..8
22:36 < SupSuper> are portals interactable?
22:36 <@JonnyH`Work> You can 'go to location' on them
22:36 <@JonnyH`Work> But you can also 'go to location' on crashed ufos
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> so there's 'more magic' that we don't implement their either
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> That reminds me... when a UFO crashes above a building
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I magically shifts sideways so it always hits the ground not the building
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> I wonder if there's a flag in the tile or something that says it's a building or the ground?
22:38 < Skin36> before raid the portals make jump
22:39 < Skin36> for portals empty tile
22:39 < Skin36> *needs
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> so... if you want a portal-free cityscape
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> just park a hoverbike in all 60000 possible tiles? :P
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Does it re-random if it's not empty?
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Or something else?
22:40 < Skin36> yes
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> so that'll actually probably lockup as it constantly randomises the location and find it's full, forever...
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe not a good idea then =/
22:42 < SupSuper> it worked for base modules :p
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> and I already had to reorder the module spawning order to work around that :P
22:43 < SupSuper> keep moving left until you find a free tile? the building can't be that big
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Keep a list of posible locations and randomise within that? then you can special case "0 possible locations, PANIC!"
22:45 < Skin36> http://pastebin.com/1Vk0gkuC
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but 'creating anew list of 100000 tiles' sounds like a bad idea :P
22:45 < SupSuper> if that happens you've reached the meat planet
22:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Skin36: what's that?
22:48 < Skin36> jamp portals
22:48 < Skin36>             v6 = (*(x_coord) - (2 * week_count + 15);
22:48 < Skin36>             v7 = make_random((4 * week_count + 30));
22:48 < Skin36>             new_x_coord = v6 + v7
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> ((v21 + 2)>>16) and ((v21 + 22)>>16) are the x_coord and y_coord?
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Seems to clamp them between -10 and 110 too
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Seems a little odd, as clamping to JUST_OUTSIDE_THE_MAP doesn't really make sense to me?
22:50 < Skin36> yes
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh no wait
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> portals can be in the 'endless grass outside the city' right?
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess by at most 10 tiles
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I might have to tweak my tileview code
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> as I've been assuming nothing usable actually exists out there...
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can't move a vehicle there or anything
22:52 < Skin36> I checked the coordinates stored in the game, they were sometimes -2 and so on
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Balls
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> So much for simplicity
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> But then what else did we expect from apoc...
22:57 < Skin36>         *(v21 + 2) = v24;
22:57 < Skin36>         *(v21 + 12) = v25;
22:57 < Skin36>         *(v21 + 22) = v22;   x,y,z
22:57 < Skin36> oh time to go bed
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23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> night Skin36 
23:02 < Skin36>       night  :)
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23:24 < nadir> Is there any point in grabbing the wrecks of unmanned UFOs if I've already researched them?
23:29 < SupSuper> nope
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18:23 < Skin36> hi
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> hey
18:25 < Skin36> I also found the first flight / jump portals
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> cool
18:26 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-2tfn6TMVV/
18:26 < Skin36> 10...12 hours
18:30 < Skin36> You can change the offset of B0(dword) in the saved game to change time  the raids UFO
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> there's some info in how the alien dimension spawns UFOs in the ufopaedia.org...
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> and IIRC that changes what 'missions' are chosen
18:32 < Skin36> it is not necessary, and so I can see)
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19:27 < Skin36_> hi
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> good afternoon
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> ..or whatever it is wherever you are :P
19:29 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-6tfn6TMX3/
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that the editor?
19:31 < Skin36_> I downloaded from the beta file organizations(ORGS.001)
19:31 < Skin36_> in editor
19:32 < Skin36_> what mean "members" im dont know
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Might be how many people 'work' for it?
19:33 < Skin36_> maybe
19:38 < SupSuper> it's great getting to see all these variables and realizing programmers' greatest weakness: names
19:44 < Skin36_> combat value not use in final version
19:45 < Skin36_> is the sum of the combat power of the organization veh
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14:55 < Keise> hey
14:55 <@JonnyH> good morning
14:56 < Keise> as I dived deeper into the code I have stuff to discuss :)
14:57 < Keise> UI for example
14:57 <@JonnyH> Oh?
14:57 < Keise> I need agression/heigth buttons on the vehicle to work
14:58 < Keise> but couldn't figure out how to add those
14:58 <@JonnyH> So the UI is kinda  mix of a definition in an xml file
14:58 <@JonnyH> and code
14:59 < Keise> so I need xml definition first?
14:59 < Keise> and then callback in the code
14:59 <@JonnyH> Yeah, you probably want to add a <graphicbutton> to data/UI/city/city.xml for the right tab
15:00 <@JonnyH> you might also need to dig through the data files to find which image is the 'correct' image to use for when the button is depressed
15:00 < Keise> yea and probably coords too
15:02 <@JonnyH> I have .pngs of most of the images here:
15:02 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/ufodata/
15:02 <@JonnyH> Might make it easier to find what matches :)
15:02 < Keise> nice
15:02 <@JonnyH> And 'caus there's no visual editor I keep getting the coords a few pixels out
15:02 <@JonnyH> and end up having to tweak it manually after running...
15:03 <@JonnyH> I think 'icon_m' is where most of the other city UI buttons are, so it's probably one of those
15:06 <@JonnyH> And before you complain, we kinda know it's not the best UI system in the world
15:06 <@JonnyH> We seem to have got stuck between 'declarative UI in xml' and 'define UI in code'
15:06 <@JonnyH> and ended up with the worst of both worlds -_-
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15:08 < Keise> that'll do it for now
15:09 < Keise> I want to update city pathfinder as well so it tried to stay at required height
15:10 < Keise> in original it just went diagonally until it reached
15:11 <@JonnyH> Keise: Maybe modifiy the weight so it 'costs less' to move along the correct height?
15:15 < Keise> hm.. that might do it
15:16 < Keise> and finally, pull requests
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15:17 < Keise> you have access to pmprog repo?
15:17 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
15:17 <@JonnyH`Work> sup too
15:17 < Keise> or I can PR to yours
15:17 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog tends to act as 'upstream' so use that
15:18 < Keise> oke
15:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I like using mine to try out crazy things, probably best not relying on it
15:18 < Keise> yea, I forked pmprog's
15:18 < Keise> doing stuff on the branches anyway
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04:50 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] idshibanov opened pull request #72: Gameplay: vehicle altitude and attack mission (master...gameplay/vehicles) https://git.io/vKvCR
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04:54 < Keise> heh, nice bot
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17:50 < Skin36_> hi
17:50 <@JonnyH> good morning Skin36_ 
17:51 < Skin36_>  :)
17:52 < Skin36_> Have you heard about the bids and the auction of the game?
17:52 <@JonnyH> Huh? No?
17:52 <@JonnyH> Is that related to 'buying buildings'?
17:53 <@JonnyH> And was disabled for release?
17:53 < Skin36_> It seems it was not realized, but remained in the game functions
17:53 <@JonnyH> Like half the stuff on apoc :P
17:54 < Skin36_> I do not even know what they want to buy or sell at auction)
17:54 <@JonnyH> I seem to remember some stings being in the same chunk for buying/selling buildings talking about auctions
17:56 < Skin36_> http://pastebin.com/7GB8yYfB
17:57 <@JonnyH> Workforce/wages?
17:57 <@JonnyH> I guess it was intended for you to be able to buy businesses?
17:57 < Skin36_> hm
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18:17 <@JonnyH> Hey SupSuper 
18:21 < SupSuper> hey
18:21 < SupSuper> is openapoc dead yet? :p
18:22 <@JonnyH> nope, I've acutally got a bit of time today
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18:23 <@JonnyH> just having a look at that vehicle altitude & attack mission stuff
18:28 < Skin36_> my internet lose )
18:28 <@JonnyH> Though part of me is saying if I wanted to 'finish' this in a sane time
18:29 <@JonnyH> we should have started with something like java/c#
18:30 < Skin36_> This function provides a graphical interface to the auction. I can try to call her
18:30 < SupSuper> JonnyH: oh no, you're falling to the xenocide effect :p
18:31 < Skin36_> the auction sold the building
18:32 <@JonnyH> MOAR REWRITES
18:32 <@JonnyH> naa, I think this is the point where 'starting again' is slower :P
18:33 <@JonnyH> Skin36_: Sold an x-com building to a 3rd party? Or can a 3rd party building be purchased by x-com?
18:33 < SupSuper> i don't know any similar low-level java/c# apis anyways
18:34 < SupSuper> besides crude GL wrappers :p
18:35 <@JonnyH> or completely overblown frameworks like unity/'game engine de jour'
18:36 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-5tfn6TMZr/
18:39 < SupSuper> JonnyH: everyone knows the 'game engine de jour' is webdev ;)
18:40 <@JonnyH> html5 bro
18:40 <@JonnyH> Skin36_: I suspect that's one game system we're not going to implement for v1.0 :p
18:40 <@JonnyH> I really don't know how tacking on a company management sim will help the game...
18:41 < SupSuper> finally i can sue the cult of sirius out of business!
18:45 < Skin36_> This has some advantages ... found the name for the field structure of the building ...
18:45 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-2tfn6TMZt/
18:45 <@JonnyH> Yeah, we would never have guessed those :P
18:46 <@JonnyH> are the last 2 the same string?
18:46 <@JonnyH> 'Fixed costs'?
18:47 < Skin36_> sorry
18:47 < Skin36_> v39 = read_string(37u, 116u);                 // Current income:
18:47 <@JonnyH> Oh, cool
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18:47 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 7 new commits to master: https://git.io/vKUmv
18:47 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d1d533e Ivan Shibanov: Very basic AttackVehicle mission & fixed vehicle accuracy calculation
18:47 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0329965 Ivan Shibanov: Follow logic
18:47 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2dc0439 Ivan Shibanov: Extra checks/avoid extra pathfinding
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18:47 < Skin36_> Ivan Shibanov who is
18:47 < Skin36_> )
18:48 <@JonnyH> 'Keise' - popped up a week or so back offered to help
18:48 < Skin36_> cool
18:48 <@JonnyH> More help is always welcome :)
18:48 <@JonnyH> And seems to work for me, and that's my criteria for merging at this point
18:51 < SupSuper> everyone wants to get the shooty bang bang done ;)
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18:51 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d8ce549 Jonathan Hamilton: Make clang-tidy pass save replacements to a file...
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18:55 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 43d69f1 Jonathan Hamilton: Update TODO...
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20:42 < Keise> hey JonnyH, thanks for the merge
20:42 <@JonnyH> No problem
20:42 < Keise> had more questions for you but can't recall them now lol
20:42 <@JonnyH> Thanks for the work :)
20:43 <@JonnyH> You should keep poking me until I 'fix' selection
20:43 <@JonnyH> And we probably need a check in the 'looking for someone to shoot at'
20:43 <@JonnyH> to prefer the 'current target' - as AFAICT in the original if you manually 'attacked' a vehicle it'll shoot at it even if you're not hostile
20:43 <@JonnyH> and shoot that in preference if multiple enemies are in range
20:43 < Keise> yea
20:44 < Keise> still have couple things to fix
20:45 < Keise> and I have no idea how "agressive" mode compares to "evasive"
20:45 < Keise> tested stuff in the original but seen no difference
20:46 <@JonnyH> I 'think' it's the range from the target they stop approaching and start moving sideways etc.
20:46 < Keise> probably.. I had idea similar to the interception modes in first x-com
20:47 <@JonnyH> I assume everything is the same as the previous xcoms unless proven otherwise :P
20:47 < Keise> heh
20:48 < Keise> and yeah, the distance between targets is calculated in tiles in the code
20:49 < Keise> but weapon have some arbitrary numbers like 400
20:49 < Keise> so right now it pretty much ignores the distance :)
20:49 <@JonnyH> I think it subdivides the tiles into the voxel submunits
20:50 <@JonnyH> so each tile is actually 32x32x16?
20:50 <@JonnyH> it'll probably make sense if it uses those units for other values (like the range etc.?)
20:51 <@JonnyH> Assuming it's actually 'range', not 'lifetime' or something
21:09 < SupSuper> or it'll be like the first xcom where the units make no sense :P
21:30 < Keise> something to test I guess
21:31 <@JonnyH> All the units used in vehicle movement are also kinda 'made up' for now
21:31 <@JonnyH> like the distance each moves per 'tick' etc.
21:32 < Keise> by the way, map Z is capped at 10 right now, but UFO/highest altitude setting is at 11
21:33 < Keise> plus on X&Y map is also bigger somewhat
21:33 <@JonnyH> Skin36 already pointed out in 'vanilla' objects could get -10/+10 outside the map in x/y
21:34 <@JonnyH> So I know I'm going to have to relax those restructions...
21:35 < Keise> dimensions are coming from the map extractor right now? that's the only place where I found them
21:35 <@JonnyH> Yup
21:36 <@JonnyH> I assumed the map size == the 'playable area' size
21:36 <@JonnyH> but clearly that's not quite right
21:37 <@JonnyH> Right, I'm off for the day (likely)
21:37 <@JonnyH> I'll probably be on tomorrow
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23:49 < Keise> hmm.. right now it hits the target only on a straigth line
23:49 < Keise> one tile higher or one tile to the side and it passes right through
23:50 < Keise> armor/damage model is almost ready btw
23:51 < Keise> have to figure out how to properly blow up vehicles
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17:04 < Keise> hey Jonny, got a minute? I need a hint
17:04 <@JonnyH`Work> sure
17:04 < Keise> I'm blowing up a vehicle, using tile->removeFromMap() (judging by the scenery code)
17:05 < Keise> plus shadowtile->remove
17:05 < Keise> however vehicle is still in the UI list and probably sits somewhere else
17:06 < Keise> obviously it crashes if you try to assign order to one
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> removeFromMap just removes it from the (non-persistant) tilemap state
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> you also need it remote from gamestate->vehicles?
17:06 < Keise> state.vehicles.erase() didn't do it either
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Is the ui list keeping a reference on top of that? It probably shouldn't...
17:07 < Keise> yea, I'm not sure if it's just a reference left or it is stored somewhere else
17:08 < Keise> I can PR again once I figure it out..
17:09 < Keise> forgot that rear armour on the hawk 3 times stronger than front..
17:10 < Keise> thought I have a bug in the code when tested lol
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that a data-entry bug do you think? Wouldn't be the first one :P
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> But I suspect if something is holding an sp<vehicle> or StateRef<vehicle> outside the 'serialisable' state it's probably a bug
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> they should hold weak references if possible (IE the ID string, and copy with it disappearing)
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> if it /is/ in the serializable state
17:13 < Keise> oh, I can save it and check xml?
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> then we might need a removeObjectFromAllPossibleRefences() helper then, like the research stuff
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, if the ID of a removed object still exists in the saved xml
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> that's an indicator of a bug
17:14 < Keise> that's a lead
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH I was thinking of adding 'create'/'remove' helpers for all StateObjects
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> so they can guarantee unique IDs etc.
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> and instead of having 'this object is deleted, that object has to go through a remove() helper' it'll be consistend...
17:16 < Keise> yea, that's a way to go
17:16 < Keise> and it would be easier to jump in and call generic remove instead of figuring out all possible references
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe I should add a 'weak' StateREf<> ?
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> instead of having to keep the ID string and re-resolve...
17:26 < Keise> sounds better
17:27 < Keise> but not too sure here since I haven't looked much at gamestate code
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably for the best
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I keep trying to replace it
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> then ending something that is even worse...
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> just make sure every time you modify a gamestate class
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> you fixup the corresponding serializeIn/serializeOut too
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I was trying to make that serialiation code autogenerated
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> but introspection in c++ is a mess of templates (or X-macros) if you want compile-time introspeciton
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> then I was looking at generating that from a common source
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> but then that ended up trying to implmenent half the c++ type system in it's 'simpler' format...
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> so I shelved it for now
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> (ideas welcome though :)
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17:34 < Keise> hm.. webchat hangs
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Never had much luck with that myself
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Hence my irc-client-on-a-random-vps 'solution' :P
17:35 < Keise> don't have irc client on this laptop
17:35 < Keise> anyway
17:36 < Keise> you're saying that tiles are not permanent
17:36 < Keise> if I just cleanup gamestate
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> NAa, the 'tileMAp' is just an 'optimisation' of 3d-lookup
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> it shouldn't be definitive for tile existance (and it's not kept in the serialised state, but re-generated at serialisation load)
17:37 < Keise> I see
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> that was the plan at least
17:39 < Keise> I remember you mentioned voxel stuff for collisions
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, the collision code first tests the TileMap to see if any objects are in the tile
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> then for each object starts looping through their voxels for collision detection
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> It's also used for pathfinding, as 'any' objects in a tile block it for pathing
17:41 < Keise> so it basically for everything? mouse clicks as well
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> (any collideable objects that is, so scenery & vehicles, not doodads and projectiles)
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> mouse clicks use the 'same' collision detection, so yes
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> though as you showed the voxels don't quite line up to the 'visual' sprites
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> which makes clicking on vehicles kinda annoying
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> so I might change that to match the visual sprite
17:42 < Keise> yea and valkyrie shoots itself
17:42 < Keise> and blows up
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> So it spawns it's own projectiles 'inside' it's voxel map?
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know how the original dealt with that
17:42 < Keise> looks like it
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> if it has a 'magic' position outside the voxel it spawns projectiles
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> or something like it ignores collisions from the 'firer'
17:43 < Keise> that might be a workaround
17:43 < Keise> however missile may hit the firer I think
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC we just spawn projectiles in the middle of the tile
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so it might be quite a common problem for 'tall' vehicles...
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> stuff like the hovercar are probably less than half a tile tall
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so they probably spawn projectiles 'above' the craft :P
17:44 < Keise> hawk is fine surprisingly
17:44 < Keise> it's my goto vehicle for tests
17:45 < Keise> where voxel signatures are defined? is it in game data?
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> It's in the game state
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> it's generated from the vehicle definitions in the 'origianl' data files
17:46 < Keise> oh
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> on a half-guess value in the vehicle struct (which may be wrong :)
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus it seems to be about right
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> stuff like the scenery clearly has 16 voxel 'slices' in it's data
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> while the vehicles seems to have one and a 'height'
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> so I've assumed it's (height * that one slice)
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> it might be something different in reality though
17:47 < Keise> interesting
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> but playing the original seems to show some collision is a bit iffy anyway :P
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> at least comparing visuals to what hits and what doesn't
17:48 < Keise> yea
17:48 < Keise> we might just fix the voxel models.. the vehicle list is not that big
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect what I've done is mostly correct
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> but think the 'height' might be off
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> IE I've assumed it's starting at the 'bottom' of the tilke
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> but it might actually be 'around' the tile center
17:49 < Keise> maybe
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> which would explain why the collision voxels seem slightly 'lower' than the sprite
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> (noticible when trying to click on a vehicle :)
17:49 < Keise> is there way to display them now?
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Not right now
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I could add a debug mode to dump collisions
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> like for (every pixel on screen) test for collisions
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> and colour differently depending on which object they collide
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe dump to an image
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> it'll probably be too slow for a 'live' view
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> but might be useful anyway...
17:50 < Keise> yea
17:51 < Keise> btw, none of the UFO stuff is in, right?
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Not yet
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC they only difference is they have no 'inertia' (which isn't really implemented for vehicles anyway) as they turn 'instantly'
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> and animate
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> intertia/acceleration is something I've been meaning to look into for ages
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> but we've never really figured out how the original did it
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> so I could implement a mockup... but it'll probably be slightly 'wrong'
17:52 < Keise> I don't think that original was right either
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> (though my plan is to make openapoc 'feel' the same as the original - small differences in implementation are OK)
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I seem to remember stuff 'stopped' instantly, but took time to accelerate
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> but 'turning 'was just a visual effect
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> IE it would instantly start moving in the desired direction, even as the sprite 'slowly' rotated
17:56 < Keise> yea, but gameplay-wise it's minor..
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup
17:56 < Keise> collisions would be great to fix
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, the 'target' location is the same as the 'projectile' spawning location too
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> so the issue I mentioned above means most vehicles are actually shooting slightly above the target :P
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> would be nice to fix..
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe we should add a pass to find the 'middle' of a voxel map
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably something like the 'mean x/y/z of all filled voxels' would be good
17:58 < Keise> hmm
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> it'll be like the 'center of mass'
17:59 < Keise> yea, it sounds right
17:59 < Keise> useful for debug too
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Hopefully I'll have a bit of time this afternoon after work to look into that properly
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> but I want to get the research stuff 'finished' before moving on though
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> though that's ending up depending on a lot of other systems (the next one is 'stores')...
18:00 < Keise> I was thinking about purchase screen/market after vehicles too
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> organisation relations would be nice
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> like actually becoming hostile to people if you shoot at them :)
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> And 'attack building'... And fixing the 'support' code to re-enable building collapses... And a million other things (see: TODO.md :)
18:02 < Keise> that's the first file I looked at tbh :)
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> If you fix something / realise something is missing
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> please change accordingly
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Even if it's to 'split' a single item into multiple sub-items
18:04 < Keise> sure
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18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> hi pmprog_laptop
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> ... and SupSuper I guess :P
18:55 < SupSuper> hello
18:56 < pmprog_laptop> Hi JonnyH`Work and SupSuper
18:56 < pmprog_laptop> and anyone else who's lurking :)
18:57 < pmprog_laptop> How's everyone doing?
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Good I suppose
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Big Project at work winding down, so might have some openapoc time again
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Keise is helping with some cool stuff soo, which is nice :D
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> and I've gotta run for a meeting... back in a bit :)
18:59 < pmprog_laptop> I saw somebody send in a pull request
18:59 < pmprog_laptop> you know him?
18:59 < pmprog_laptop> ok
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: that was Keise
19:02 < pmprog_laptop> Worth adding him to the repo so he can commit directly?
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably, he's still around at least :)
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Nice quick meeting
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> "Anything to talk about?".... "Nope?"... "Well, bye then"
19:04 < pmprog_laptop> I like those :)
19:04 < pmprog_laptop> Added him as a collaborator
19:05 < pmprog_laptop> Weird, as it's indicating that he needs to accept the invite, I'm sure it never did that when I added everyone else
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe they changed it?
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't remember what I did...
19:05 < pmprog_laptop> Possibly
19:06 < pmprog_laptop> Welcome aboard Keise :)
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> but I think there was an issue where people could get 'spammed' through github w/adding people to projects...
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, now I'm going to run off for lunck :)
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> ..lunch...
19:07 < pmprog_laptop> Enjoy
19:18 < Keise> hello
19:19 < Keise> thanks for the collab
19:20 < Keise> I've been bugging Jonny for the past week with questions :)
19:21 < pmprog_laptop> Hi Keise, no problems, glad you're interested in the project :)
19:26 < Keise> yea, I am a fan of apoc and good strategy games in general
19:28 < Keise> I'm planning to work mostly on gameplay.. vehicle-related stuff for now
19:29 < Keise> then maybe organizations or market
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19:33 < pmprog_laptop> Sounds great
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> heh, it's always a bit weird as a brit going to a 4th July  party in the us..
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> People kept coming up to me seeminly thinking it was a national day of mourning in the UK or something...
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19:51 < pmprog_laptop> Just make sure you take plenty of tea :-)
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> They had a swimming pool
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I should have brought some crates of tea so they could ritually thow them in ;)
19:52 < pmprog_laptop> That'll make for one huge cuppa then
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> It's warm over here
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> but not quite enough for a proper brew I'm afraid ;)
19:52 < pmprog_laptop> :D
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and chlorinated tea? No thanks...
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> And how much milk would you need?
19:53 < pmprog_laptop> Just throw in a few cows
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm pretty sure we had a few full cows on the bbq...
19:54 < pmprog_laptop> :)
19:59 < pmprog_laptop> I really hate how I lose momentum on everything :(
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> What project are you leaving now?
20:00 < pmprog_laptop> heh, I'm not leaving, but I've not worked on either Ivan or SJKT64 for a few days and I struggle to pick them up
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I feel like I've had a terribly unproductive week toio
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Fighting with the TI ddk for the omap5
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> God knows what they've done
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> but nothing works...
20:02 < pmprog_laptop> I really want to get back on Ivan, but I don't really know what to do about graphics. I was going to use a spritesheet, but as my sprites are quite large, I wasn't sure whether my spritesheet would be too large to upload to GPUs
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> It's even more frustrating as I pulled the equivalent non-ti version from our internal repos
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> and no issues...
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 4k is probably the realistic limit
20:03 < pmprog_laptop> So I was tempted to use Spriter, but that's a bit overkill
20:03 < pmprog_laptop> Hehe, I saw ED's post about the 3D driver, I take it that was your handy work?
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> If you're ok with gl3 compatibility you can use array textures to increase that :)
20:03 < pmprog_laptop> I use Allegro... Does that help?
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> errm... no
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> https://twitter.com/EvilDragon1717/statuses/749769754659946497
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> That's my hand on the video
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> and I manageed to get someone else (aTc) to get to the same point to make sure it's not me doing something weird
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> it's a the same point as the pandy (Not integrating with X, just taking over the display)
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I was hoping to do it properly with dri3 or wayland or something
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> but after ~7 days fighting... Meh
20:05 < pmprog_laptop> Good work
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> It wasn't much work really :)
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> It was just putting together all the little bits I'd already done
20:05 < pmprog_laptop> But still good
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> It's good as a proof of concept
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> the HW is working
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> everything then is 'just' software...
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> If we really wanted to we could write our own wayland backend/xcompmgr/xf86-video driver to get everything working, the interfaces are 'public' so it's do-able
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> just work :)
20:07 < pmprog_laptop> that's good news for the pyra project
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> that's with the dra7xx drivers too
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> (slightly hacked to recognise the 'omap5432' string)
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20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Told you they were the same soc :)
20:08 < pmprog_laptop> :)
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> for some reason ti have added some magic 'platform detection' code that was messing stuff up
20:09 < pmprog_laptop> There's a surprise
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> so it only 'detected' one core (which it did with strcmp() on the soc name...)
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> instead of using the 'num cores' register provided by the sgx for some reason
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> VALUE ADD BABY
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> aren't you glad TI paid someone to do that?
20:10 < pmprog_laptop> I wish they'd paid me to do it :D
20:10 < pmprog_laptop> Sounds like the sort of hacks I can do
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20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> _aegis_ 'fixed' it IIRC
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> by finding the function and hexediting it to "return 2;"
20:10 < pmprog_laptop> lol
20:12 < pmprog_laptop> Right, I'm shutting down for the evening. Maybe I'll find my fire again and I'll reappear with SJKT64, Ivan and a load of battlescape code for OpenApoc... I wouldn't hold my breath though
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Take a week off
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Ban yourself from a keyboard
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> It works!
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> (for me at least :)
20:13 < pmprog_laptop> It doesn't really, I've tried that, that's partly why I lost speed and motivation on Ivan and SJKT64
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> but pls have a functional battlescape by Thursday
20:13 < pmprog_laptop> :)
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> or I'll have to pop round yours with a cricket bat again
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> and take our your other knee
20:13 < pmprog_laptop> You want to play cricket now
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> ?
20:14 < pmprog_laptop>  :)
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, have a good evening
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> Man, as for OpenApoc, not sure I've even built it since we moved to SDL!
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> I'm so badly disorganised and run down, maybe I'm about to have a midlife crisis
20:15 < pmprog_laptop> Take care, and catch you again soon, hopefully
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20:41 < SupSuper> i'm sure given enough time JonnyH`Work will move it to something else :p
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> It's been over 2 weeks since I last changes some fore part of the framework for no reason
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm starting to get withdrawal symptoms
20:48 < SupSuper> on that note, do you use any fancy library for audio streaming or is it all you?
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> me
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> we just use SDL's audio callback
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> and do mixing etc. outselves
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus writing core OS functionaity is fun, right?
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Is it breaking with something?
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus I could (should?) remove the big audio mutex, as that's kinda nasty having in a realtime path
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and use atomic refcounts & lockless lists instead
20:53 < SupSuper> nah i was just looking into "free audio cross-platform libraries" but the options are basically 0 :p
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Doing mixing etc. ? really hard
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> openal is pretty much 'the' option if you want any hw acceleration too
21:02 < SupSuper> which one :p
21:03 < SupSuper> there's like a million implementations now
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 'ideally' the interface is the same... right?
21:07 < SupSuper> well afaik the only free versions are the ancient openal 1.1 or a branched software-driven version
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> the 'software' openal at least allows hw mixing etc.
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> just not the 3d positioning stuff
21:10 < SupSuper> i'll stick to pointing people to fmod and let go their gpl-blindness
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I *love* having code
21:11 < SupSuper> i *love* having something that actually works :p
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> SDL works
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> SDL_mixer does too
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> sometimes
21:12 < SupSuper> when you're not looking
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> When the planets are aligned
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I've personally found sacrificing a goat before each release works well
21:13 < SupSuper> i'm all out
21:15 < SupSuper> i dunno what is it about audio stacks that makes them so crazy wacky compared to graphics stacks
21:16 < SupSuper> bizarre codecs? unrealiable streaming protocols? ...dumb luck?
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03:28 < Skin36_> hi  Keise
03:33 < Keise> hi
03:38 < Keise> weapon range notes: looks like 100m ingame is around 6 tiles
03:40 < Keise> with current 32x32x16 velocity scale projectiles did only half of what they are supposed to
03:41 < Keise> I will be updating those made up values in tile.h
03:55 < Keise> and range stored is 2 times higher than shown ingame..
03:55 < Keise> 400 = 200m
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06:08 < TheSnide> is openal soft the same api than openal non free ?
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20:02 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4025828 Jonathan Hamilton: Enable dumping the voxel 'view' of the TileView...
20:02 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c55444e Jonathan Hamilton: MSVC doesn't like std::uniform_int_distribution<uint8_t>
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20:02 < Keise> hooray
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> All it does it show it's not quite right :P
20:03 < SupSuper> hurray!
20:03 < Keise> at least you're looking at it
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> But at least you can see there's an issue to fix it
20:03 < Keise> yea
20:03 < Keise> we're talking with Skin36 about collisions as well
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a bit of a debugging-only hack for now...
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Don't try it in msvc debug mode
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> you'll be there all day :P
20:03 < Keise> haha
20:04 < Keise> I'll push my stuff tonight
20:05 < Keise> brb
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> honestly, msvc
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> how is an unsigned char not an integer type?
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> *grumble*
20:06 < Keise> lol
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> uniform_int_distribution<uint8_t> is fine on gcc + libcxx
20:06 < SupSuper> file a bug report? :p
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20:07  * JonnyH`Work looks at c++ spec
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Huh, apparently it is 'undefined' if not a short, int, long or long long
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> (+ unsigned equivalents)
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Seems more a spec oversight than an msvc bug then
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20:16 < SupSuper> static_assert(_Is_IntType<_Ty>::value,
20:16 < SupSuper> 		"invalid template argument for uniform_int_distribution");
20:16 < SupSuper> template<class _Ty>
20:16 < SupSuper> 	struct _Is_IntType
20:16 < SupSuper> 		: _Cat_base<is_same<_Ty, short>::value
20:16 < SupSuper> 		|| is_same<_Ty, int>::value
20:16 < SupSuper> 		|| is_same<_Ty, long>::value
20:16 < SupSuper> 		|| is_same<_Ty, long long>::value
20:16 < SupSuper> 		|| _Is_UIntType<_Ty>::value>
20:16 < SupSuper> 	{	// determine whether _Ty satisfies <random>'s IntType requirements
20:16 < SupSuper> 	};
20:17 < SupSuper> you can always go in there and change it to _is_UIntType, but that probably wouldn't work for the build system :p
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> presumably ||is_same<_Ty, char>::value
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> is what we 'want' added to that :P
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> but I can't really argue, msvc is doing the 'right' thing according to the spec
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> the spec says no 'char'
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> just seems the spec is mad :)
20:18 < SupSuper> you'd probably have pretty shitty randomness at that point
20:19 < SupSuper> or they don't like perpetuating that char is a byte :p
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Don't see how it's any diffferent TBH
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> as a short is 'exactly' 2x the bits of a char
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> 'dist<short>(rng) & 0xff'
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> should be sufficient
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> IFF the short is 'good' randomness
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20:27 < Skin36_> hi
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> hi there Skin36_ 
20:28 < Skin36_> I found a lof for flying machines
20:30 < Skin36_> I hope it was necessary to
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> cool
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I was just looking into how our voxel collision stuff is a little broken :)
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> so that's good timing
20:33 < SupSuper> what about our little broken z-ordering :p
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> The z ordering of collision voxels should be 'correct'..
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> It's just the drawing that's a little 'off'
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> With the exception of hoverbikes
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> which for some reason have a completely different voxel slice size to everything else...
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean, it's probably makes sense, the smallest unit in the game
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> having a 2x sized slice... because... reasons
20:44 < Skin36_> for hoverbikes its 151 offset
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/tools/extractors/common/vehicle.h#L28-L29
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been assuming those 2 values are the 'height of the loftemps stack'
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> and the 'index into loftemps'
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Does that match what you see Skin36_ ?
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> I've gotta run
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Skin36_: if you do have any info on the lof for vehicles please stuck it on the forum or something
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> cheers :)
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00:02 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 219ac41 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix zero-sized line segments on 'just launched' vehicle shadows...
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01:44 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ea17255 Ivan Shibanov: Projectile damage/directional armour debug
01:44 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 58245d0 Ivan Shibanov: Vehicle destruction and new field serialization
01:44 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 33233f4 Ivan Shibanov: Merge branch '43d69f18f405f63e06ab7fb6f661c4cd8071a654' into gameplay/vehicles
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04:18 < Keise> http://imgur.com/hXeg0Vh
04:18 < Keise> dun dun dun
04:19 < Keise> get ready, they even shoot each other :D
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15:39 <@JonnyH> looking good Keise :)
15:40 < Keise> shields are op
15:40 <@JonnyH> yeah
15:40 <@JonnyH> but expensive then they /do /pop
15:41 < Keise> so UFO animation is done but I have to find a right speed for those
15:41 < Keise> any guesstimates?
15:41 <@JonnyH> not really looked into it myself...
15:42 <@JonnyH> same with the explosion doodad animations, just 'kinda looks OK'  guesses
15:42 < Keise> alright
15:48 <@JonnyH> game/state/city/vehicle.cpp:812:89: error: specialization of ‘static const OpenApoc::UString& OpenApoc::StateObject<T>::getId(const OpenApoc::GameState&, OpenApoc::sp<T>) [with T = OpenApoc::Vehicle; OpenApoc::sp<T> = std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::Vehicle>]’ after instantiation
15:48 <@JonnyH>  const UString &StateObject<Vehicle>::getId(const GameState &state, const sp<Vehicle> ptr)
15:48 <@JonnyH> hmm... gcc doesn't seem to like that
15:48 <@JonnyH> Not sure why, as it's not a specialisation? *shrug*
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15:57 < Keise> oh those cryptic errors
15:57 <@JonnyH> Well, it's 'fixed' just by moving the getID implementaiton to above it's use in vehicle.cpp
15:57 < Keise> wow
15:57 <@JonnyH> and I'll update the cmake file for the rules/vequipment.h rename while I'm at it
15:58 < Keise> yea, forgot about this one
15:59 < Keise> it was just confusing to see two identical files in tabs
15:59 <@JonnyH> I suppose, it doesn't bother me but I think I've seen some other tools get confused before
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16:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0ce5717 Jonathan Hamilton: CMake/GCC build fixes...
16:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master fdf8bbc Jonathan Hamilton: Format...
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16:10 <@JonnyH> I know some of the 'clang-format' stuff is a little ugly (like around multi-line macros)
16:10 <@JonnyH> but It's just so much easier to stick with it :)
16:11 <@JonnyH> there might be some magic option in the .clang-format file we can tune to help
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16:14 < Keise> yea, I was just running the *.bat script
16:14 < Keise> but it even breaks a couple of files
16:15 <@JonnyH> really? hmm... Maybe slightly different clang versions or something?
16:16 <@JonnyH> or the windows .bat script doesn't quite do the same thing as linux w/cmake running clang-format...
16:17 < Keise> mine is 3.9.0
16:17 <@JonnyH> 3.8 :)
16:17 <@JonnyH> IIRC 3.9 isn't released yet, it's still in beta?
16:18 <@JonnyH> might be an idea to stick to 3.8 for now... Might explain why it 'breaks' some things :)
16:18 <@JonnyH> there were some changes I remember between 3.7 and 3.8 (new options, different 'defaults')
16:18 < Keise> looks like it
16:18 <@JonnyH> that meant we had to update the .clang-format file
16:18 < Keise> I'll see if rollback fixes it
16:19 <@JonnyH> so maybe we need to have a 3.8 file and a 3.9 file etc...
16:19 <@JonnyH> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/JonnyH/openapoc
16:19 <@JonnyH> 'caus my 3.8 formatted files seem fine for msvc
16:21 <@JonnyH> btw I think if you get a travis-ci login
16:21 <@JonnyH> and 'enable' it for your own github repository
16:21 <@JonnyH> it should all with automatically with the .travis.yml file
16:22 <@JonnyH> to build test on linux without having to push to my own repo :)
16:22 < Keise> good solution
16:22 <@JonnyH> and the 'tidy' pass does a format-and-diff against clang-format-3.8
16:22 <@JonnyH> as well as a clang-tidy static analysis pass
16:23 < Keise> I was thinking about linux anyway
16:23 < Keise> for debug
16:27 <@JonnyH> I'd better start working
16:27 <@JonnyH> but I'll try to have a look at the voxel stuff this afternoon
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16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, apparently I disabled screenshots when moving to gles3
16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Guess I should fix that too :)
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18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> morning SupSuper
18:28 < SupSuper> hey
18:48 < SupSuper> i wonder who are these people that actually get so many interesting emails they have to keep coming up with new exciting ways to manage and organize it all
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I get nearly 10 emails/day at work!
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Unmanageable!
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> well, excluding auto-sorted mailing list/build result/whatever emails...
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18:54 < SupSuper> at work i just get jira spam :p
18:54 < SupSuper> everything else is dealt through direct communication protocols (aka skype)
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20:05 < Skin36_> hi
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> hey there
20:08 < Skin36_> I do not understand how to read the file loftemp.dat
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/framework/apocresources/loftemps.cpp
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a concatinated set of bitmasks
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> with a uint32_t width and uint32_t height first (so 8 bytes of header)
20:10 < Skin36_> what size of the template? 32x32?
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> any widths are rounded up to 32
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Most are 32x32
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> some are 32x64, some 64x64
20:10 < Skin36_> hm
20:11 < Skin36_> im miss header
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> { uint32_t width; uint32_t height; uint32_t variable_length_masks[];}
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> the mask length is defined by (width rounded up to 32) * height / 32 (as there are 32 bits in each word)
20:13 < Skin36_> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-1tfn6TN0Q/
20:14 < Skin36_> looks like
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess the CFSHL(5)...  << 5 is the rounding to 32
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> then it masks out one bit as a time
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/framework/apocresources/loftemps.cpp#L70
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> probably like that :P
20:15 < Skin36_> yes
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm reasonanbly sure that's correct'
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I extracted the bits into images to visually check
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/ufodata/loftemps/
20:18 < Skin36_> then what is not working properly?
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably just 'bugs' and mistakes
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> like I didn't realise there were non-32x32 voxel masks when writing the collision code
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> which are used for 'large' ufos
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and for some reason the hoverbike...
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> so it doesn't handle those correclty
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> It's bugs in my implementation, not really a misunderstanding of apoc itself :P
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21:16 < Keise> well even regular lofs are much smaller than should be
21:17 < Keise> it makes me cheat on damage to crash the UFO otherwise they can't do much to it :D
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> the large ufos will probably be clamped to a single tile, so only 1/4 will be hit-able
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> even if the 64x64 voxel map works otherwise
21:50 < Keise> http://imgur.com/a/sy642
21:51 < Keise> fast attack ship is weird, almost looks like it's overwritten by regular tile
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be something like the TileMap lookup is off
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's not actually checking against the right voxel map if the object spans multiple tiles
21:53 < Keise> I tried to debug it last night but no results so far
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> All the transparent sections around tiles also is wrong IIRC...
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> AKA lots of things for me to look at...
21:57 < Keise> I wish I could help
21:57 < Keise> but it's hard to visualize what's going right now
21:58 < Keise> and debug mode on msvc not very cooperative
21:58 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work doesn't like msvc :p
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> debug mode on msvc means any STL usage turns into OMGWTF_SLOW_MODE
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> which is probably fine for some things
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, and msvc killed my dog
22:00 < Keise> dog food dispenser too slow in debug mode?
22:00 < SupSuper> everything in openxcom runs on STL so i'm still gonna blame you :p
22:01 < SupSuper> we avoid maps though
22:01 < SupSuper> *shudders* c++03
22:02 <@JonnyH`Work> openxcom uses the stl
22:02 <@JonnyH`Work> openapoc abuses it
22:02 <@JonnyH`Work> slight difference :P
22:04 < Keise> by the way
22:04 < Keise> what's 'UFO 'beamdown' mechanic' in todo?
22:05 <@JonnyH`Work> the ufos 'beam' alien troops into some buildings in some missions
22:05 <@JonnyH`Work> spreading corruption
22:06 < Keise> ah, infiltration mission
22:06 < Keise> sure
22:13 < Keise> I'll probably push UFO stuff tonight
22:13 < Keise> teaching them to crash land
22:13 < Keise> all sprites are working nicely
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Looking at that image I suspect there is some kind of cross-tile issue going on...
22:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Or they 'happen' to be cut exactly on tile boundaries...
22:24 < Keise> yea, it's cut
22:24 < Keise> trying to catch vehicle mid-tile
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Might not be able to dig into much before this weekend unfortunately...
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> So unless you happen to spot some terrible bug and fix it you should probably just pretend everything's working for now :P
22:26 < Keise> yea, I tried it yesterday and kind of moved on
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I also kinda want to fixup the terrible inefficiency of re-iterating the entire line for every tile it touches
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> which isn't too bad for 'short' lines
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> but terrible for the image generation :P
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> so probably low priority...
22:30 < Keise> take your time
22:30 < Keise> but collision fix would be a huge improvement
22:30 < Keise> other gameplay stuff is relatively simple..
22:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect this is something I've broken...
22:34 <@JonnyH`Work> As it /did/ work cross tile, I tested it... I'm sure...
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02:03 < Keise> got travis ci up and running
02:03 < Keise> 24 minute build, not bad :D
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02:22 <@JonnyH> Keise: Heh, I know
02:22 <@JonnyH> but not bad for a cost of $0
02:24 < Keise> sure
02:25 <@JonnyH> plus it has to rebuild a few dependencies, 'caus ubuntu sucks... :P
02:40 <@JonnyH> Intestesting...
02:40 <@JonnyH> the gles3 man pages specif GL_PACK_IMAGE_HEIGHT
02:40 <@JonnyH> but it's not in the khronos headers...
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02:52 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 49413f8 Jonathan Hamilton: Enable screenshot (f5) with GLES3 renderer
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03:24 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7a69f00 Ivan Shibanov: UFO animation, crash logic and shield destruction
03:24 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 15f6d8a Ivan Shibanov: Merge remote-tracking branch 'pmprog/master' into gameplay/vehicles
03:24 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2b216bf Ivan Shibanov: Merge remote-tracking branch 'pmprog/master' into gameplay/vehicles
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03:24 <@JonnyH> I have a few random warning fixes staged to
03:25 <@JonnyH> nothing 'functional', just slightly annoying when trying to find 'real' bugs :)
03:26 < Keise> cool
03:27 < Keise> looks like clang is working properly now
03:30 <@JonnyH> clang-3.8?
03:30 <@JonnyH> Or something else changed?
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03:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 75d6192 Jonathan Hamilton: Remove unused TileView::EventOccurred::selectionChanged
03:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 573771e Jonathan Hamilton: SDLraw audio: print device name to info...
03:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master be1ec2e Jonathan Hamilton: Fix some signed/unsigned inconsistencies in GL30 renderer
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03:32 <@JonnyH> clang-tidy doesn't like lodepng
03:32 <@JonnyH> or pugixml...
03:33 <@JonnyH> the others in the travis-ci 'tidy' pass seem to be false-positives
03:33 <@JonnyH> so hopefully we should fix anything 'new' on that...
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03:47 < Keise> I'm on 3.8 now, yea
04:09 <@JonnyH> hmm.. no luck figuring it out yet
04:09 <@JonnyH> and I'm going to call it a night
04:09 <@JonnyH> so see you later
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16:41 < Keise> hey Jonny
16:41 <@JonnyH> hey there
16:41 <@JonnyH> I think something's gone wrong with the offset between voxel map/position
16:42 < Keise> how could I raytrace between two vehicles?
16:42 < Keise> basically to check if they see each other
16:42 <@JonnyH> Probably something like:
16:43 <@JonnyH> auto collision = tileMap->findCollision(thisVehicle->getPosition(), otherVehicle->getPosition);
16:43 < Keise> oh, that simple?
16:43 <@JonnyH> if (collision.obj == otherVehicle->tileObject) return true;
16:43 < Keise> cool
16:44 <@JonnyH> it *should*  be that simple
16:44 <@JonnyH> but clearly it's a bit buggy :)
16:46 <@JonnyH> It'll also fall into the issue where the 'position' may not be the center of the collision voxels...
16:46 <@JonnyH> so 'small' vehicles may alwas 'miss'...
16:46 <@JonnyH> that's still on my 'to fix' list :P
16:47 < Keise> yea but at least the logic will be there
16:57 <@JonnyH> hmm... I might re-enable the printf format checking for the Log* functions...
16:58 <@JonnyH> Aparently there are quite a few that are kinda broken :)
16:58 <@JonnyH> it'll mean changing the format string from a UString to a 'const char*'...
16:59 <@JonnyH> but I think everyone uses utf8 anyway :)
16:59 <@JonnyH> (or at least they should)
17:01 < Keise> heh
17:02 <@JonnyH> ..maybe I could annotate the UString(const char*) constructor to allow it to be tracked through format strings...
17:02 <@JonnyH> the gcc 'format_arg' attribute looks like it might do that...?
17:02 <@JonnyH> I assume there's something similar for msvc, but I'll leave that out for now ;)
17:03 <@JonnyH> (I only noticed as one of the logs was showing stuff that Wasn't Possible - then it turned out it was printing an int as %f... oops :)
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17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Nope, can't annotate ustring.. If I want it to work it seems like the only choice is to make the format a const char*....
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> or unwrap it in a macro...
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17:37 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 59d3695 Jonathan Hamilton: Add gcc printf annotations to Logger to enable format mismatch warnings
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20:05 < Skin36> hi
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> hi Skin36 
20:07 < Skin36> why the mask for two directions is considered differently
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> 'mask for two directions'? Not sure what you mean...
20:08 < Skin36> http://pastebin.com/928qrk0p
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, this is armour directions?
20:08 < Skin36>   under;front;
20:08 < Skin36> yes'
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure how the hell that works :P
20:10 < Skin36> lol
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess they wanted to avoid a cross product on a 386...
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I think Keise implemented this recently...
20:13 < Skin36> but the masks are not working correctly
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I /think/ what's happening is that the voxels are half a tile away from where they 'should' be
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> then clipped to the edge of a tile
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> It clearly uses the voxel to decide between under & front
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> but all the others don't? The just use the projectile/vehicle direction?
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Sems a bit odd
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe the 'under' is treated specially?
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Like if the voxel it hit is in the lowest layer it's 'under'?
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> but yeah, just 'caus apoc does this a really weird way doesn't mean we'll use the same algorith...
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/game/state/city/vehicle.cpp#L347-L373
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> that's Keise's implementation
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> clearly 'similar' with the exception of using the voxel mask
20:18 < Keise> well it's only for directions
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> When calculating the 'closest' sprite direction
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I compared the dot product against each cardinal direction
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and choose the one with the 'smallest' angle
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus that also works with non-cardinal directions too :)
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> but that's probably not important for armour
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I doubt people will want to supply armour values between them, seems like it'll start getting impossible to manage
20:20 < Keise> for sure
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> of course, that wouldn't really be possible for 'original' apic
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> as it didn't require an fpu
20:21 < Keise> and there's no formations to take advantage of directional armor
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I doubt directional armour affected my city gameplay in any way :)
20:22 < Keise> yep
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> quite a few of xcom's systems seem rather overdone for their extremely limited gameplay effects...
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Like the vehicle manual controls 
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Don't think I've ever used it :)
20:28 < Keise> is rand() good enough for simple stuff like vehicle sidesteps?
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> use the rng on the gamestate
20:29 < Keise> oh I missed it
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> It'll (soon) be serialised for predictable stuff
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> and whatever distribution you need in the c++ <random> header
20:30 < Keise> yea, I saw <random> somewhere, that's why I asked
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> 'good' RNG is hard (especially for the distribution stuff)
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> so let someone else do the hard work :)
20:30 < Keise> soon (tm) :)
20:31 < Keise> well for -1/+1 on tile pos it doesn't matter much since I also check if it's valid
20:32 < Keise> but I agree
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20:36 < SupSuper> also protip: always have separate gameplay and UI RNGs :p
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> the one in the GameState should be the the one that affects gamestate
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> So non-persistent state and fluff and the like can make their own!
20:37 < SupSuper> i don't think apoc has any random ui stuff besides the music though
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe stuff like 'which doodad/explosion'?
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> doesn't affect the 'game' as such
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> ...or do all the same type of projectiles always have deterministic explosins... can't remember
20:41 < SupSuper> well it's only stuff the player can influence at will without touching the state that is a "problem"
20:41 < SupSuper> like mashing ui buttons affecting your aim chance
20:41 < SupSuper> presumably a doodad/explosion will be the consequence of a gamestate action
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> like the old rfactor games
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> not 'randomness', but still weird state changes
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> it used a quaternion to define your car's direction
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> and you could 'wind' it (IE keep turning in one direction until you started getting floating point errors accumulating)
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> then you'd actually go slightly 'faster' in the opposite direction :)
20:44 < SupSuper> and that's why you never use floating point ;p
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> ieee fp is deterministic
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> but possible 'deterministically' wrong
20:47 < SupSuper> determinstically annoying: http://contraptionmaker.com/coding-natural-laws-of-a-cartoon-universe/
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> the other option is some fixed point
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I /think/ the original used 256.256
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> but that would also mean we 'have' to use a 36/sec tick rate otherwise we'll accumulate errors different from the original
20:48 < SupSuper> i don't think anyone used fp in the dos days
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> fpu was only guaranteed for a pentium/586+
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I had a 486 sx that ran apoc perfectly fine :)
20:49 < SupSuper> it'd probably be much more "accurate" if i still used original x-com's trignometry luts but damn if i could be arsed :p
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> glm::cross() is soo much easier
20:50 < SupSuper> props for effort thugh: http://ufopaedia.org/index.php/COS.DAT
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> 2880 values?? seems a bit pointless
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Just linearly interpolating a relative small number of values is probably perfectly tine
20:52 < SupSuper> well it's because all the degrees in x-com are represented as 0-2879, so it's just a straight lookup
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess :P
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Back in those days instruction cost wasn't quite overshadowed by cache cost they way it is today
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17:00 < Iamasandwich> hi
17:01 <@JonnyH> hey there
17:01 < Iamasandwich> how are you doing today JonnyH?
17:01 <@JonnyH> I'm doing well, thanks
17:04 < Iamasandwich> I just wanted to thank y’all for the work you’ve been doing. I loved apoc as a kid. I’ve been following things on github. it’s pretty exciting.
17:05 <@JonnyH> Thanks :)
17:05 <@JonnyH> It's slow going, but hopefully we'll (eventually) get there
17:06 < Iamasandwich> side projects out of passion always are slow going, but this one seems to be getting a lot of momentum.
17:06 <@JonnyH> Yeah, it would be much easier if I didn't have a day job too
17:06 < Iamasandwich> 13 contributors is pretty good for a project that started basically 2 years ago.
17:07 < Iamasandwich> according to gh, you guys hit 2 years 3 days ago
17:07 <@JonnyH> Well, we should have a party then...
17:07 < SupSuper> only 3 more years to go ;)
17:07 <@JonnyH> ugh, don't say stuff like that sup
17:08 < Keise> we'll get there
17:08 < Iamasandwich> I like the comment on the first commit: “Start of something beautiful - hopefully� https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/commit/dd99c517a91200a5fc55673a7d43c09c28cde744
17:08 < Iamasandwich> apoc has never looked so good
17:09 < SupSuper> it definitely scales a lot better than openxcom
17:09 < SupSuper> 1:1 pixel ratio what is this madness
17:09 <@JonnyH> I feel sorry for people on those high-dpi screens
17:09 <@JonnyH> Get a magnifying glass to see what's going on
17:10 < SupSuper> well the alternative would be 16px wide pixels
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17:11 <@JonnyH> If you're cool with everything looking slightly out of focus I guess we can do linear scaling with the renderer
17:11 <@JonnyH> Not sure how/if we should do 'fancy' scalers...
17:11 < Iamasandwich> of course you should do fancy scalars!
17:11 < Iamasandwich> i mean, it’s not a high priority feature, but....
17:11 < Keise> yea, why not
17:11 <@JonnyH> Yeah, a million and one things to do first :)
17:12 < Iamasandwich> that’s the kind of feature that someones like “I really like fancy scalers let me add it�
17:12 < Iamasandwich> and then you get a PR
17:13 < Keise> I was playing with opendune code a while ago, scalers did a good job there
17:13 <@JonnyH> We have the place to plug it in now
17:13 <@JonnyH> I just need a way of supplying 'custom' shaders
17:13 < Keise> by the way, are dimensional portals considered scenery?
17:13 <@JonnyH> nope
17:14 <@JonnyH> scenery is just the stuff in citymap{1..5}.dat
17:14 <@JonnyH> I guess they'll be a doodad?
17:14 <@JonnyH> Or a new object completely?
17:14 < Keise> eh.. it should be an object
17:14 <@JonnyH> As stuff can fly through them, they don't collide w/projectiles
17:14 <@JonnyH> they just have special-case handling when you fly 'to' them w/a magic future plane
17:14 < Keise> but they have a constant animation
17:15 < Keise> so either special case dooadad or special case for object
17:15 <@JonnyH> add a repeat flag to doodads?
17:15 <@JonnyH> I think I already considered that with the 'temporary' flag
17:15 <@JonnyH> but didn't actually use it for anything
17:15 < Keise> plus you should be able to click on them
17:16 < Keise> collisions again
17:16 <@JonnyH> they're like crashed UFOs, right?
17:16 <@JonnyH> special case for 'goto {location}'
17:16 <@JonnyH> but yeah, if we use the collision voxels for mouse selection
17:16 < Keise> well I'm planning to leave crashed UFOs as a normal vehicle
17:16 <@JonnyH> we'll have to special case that
17:16 <@JonnyH> so they 'hit' the mouse, but not projectiles..
17:16 <@JonnyH> crashed UFOs still get 'hit' by projectiles right?
17:16 < Keise> they're stil on the UI list and you can destroy them if hit accidently
17:17 < Keise> I just flip the sprite and disable weapons
17:17 < Iamasandwich> I always thought crashed ufos were a type of vehicle. they have all vehicle properties in the game.
17:17 <@JonnyH> and make it fall?
17:17 < Keise> yea, 'Crash' mission
17:17 <@JonnyH> And IIRC they magically slide sideways to avoid landing on buildings...
17:17 < Iamasandwich> like, you have a harvester then harvester crashed as separate “vehicles"
17:17 <@JonnyH> (Not sure how it decides what's a 'valid' tile for them to land on)
17:18 < Keise> I'm working on it now
17:18 <@JonnyH> Oh, plus the 'smoke' would be another repeating-forever doodad?
17:18 < Keise> using regular pathfinder to the ground tile
17:18 < Keise> yea, doodad, but that's minor
17:18 <@JonnyH> Is there a flag in the tile data somewhere that says 'this is ground'?
17:19 <@JonnyH> I think we'll need something similar for 'attack building' missions too
17:19 <@JonnyH> So you don't keep blasting the ground under the building if it's on a hill
17:19 < Keise> hm.. true
17:19 < Keise> I was using height for now
17:20 <@JonnyH> I suspect there is a flag in one of the 'unknown' parts of the citymap_tile_entry?
17:21 < Keise> maybe.. I don't see one now
17:21 <@JonnyH> Or it's something like one of the 'walk' types, or has_basement?
17:21 <@JonnyH> That name was taken from the editor mode of apoc
17:21 <@JonnyH> I don't know what it *means*
17:22 < Keise> my guess it's for RVs
17:22 <@JonnyH> RVs?
17:23 < Keise> road vehicles
17:23 <@JonnyH> Oh, not Recreational Vehicles
17:23 < SupSuper> people use those?
17:23 <@JonnyH> http://www.arvclub.co.uk/Forum/styles/prosilver/imageset/arvclub_left.jpg
17:23 <@JonnyH> WELCOME TO AMERICA
17:24  * SupSuper sheds a single tear
17:32 < Keise> there should be a flag
17:32 < Keise> did a quick test now
17:32 < Keise> road tiles were left alone too
17:36 <@JonnyH> Plus, despite the documentation claiming otherwise
17:37 <@JonnyH> msvc2015 now supports %z as a printf size specifier
17:39 < SupSuper> i thought %z was non-standard
17:39 <@JonnyH> it's c99
17:39 <@JonnyH> which I guess is why msvc now has to support it? As c++11 pretty much went #include "c99.h"
17:39 <@JonnyH> They previously has '
17:40 <@JonnyH> 'I' as a non-standard msvc-only version
17:40 <@JonnyH> so it's not like it was hard
17:40 <@JonnyH> literally change one character in their crt
17:41 < SupSuper> well 'add', you know once ms does something they can never go back on it :p
17:42 <@JonnyH> extra "case 'z': //FALL-THROUGH"
17:42 <@JonnyH> but then somewhere there's probably some app that relies on the exact byte size of the CRT vsprintf function
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18:11 < Iamasandwich> it’s nice to see this chat is pretty active. i’m out. have a great day everyone and thank you!
18:11 < Iamasandwich> maybe one of these days i’ll actually get this thing to compile.
18:12 < Iamasandwich> I’m on a mac. so maybe i can make a build for it.
18:19 < Keise> not sure if anyone tested macs
18:19 < Keise> but totally do it
18:21 < Iamasandwich> i have spent about 8 hours trying to get it to compile (including build times and stuff)
18:21 < Iamasandwich> but i didn’t think about IRC
18:21 < Iamasandwich> and it was last year some time
18:21 < Iamasandwich> the build process looks like it’s been streamlined a bit
18:23 < Keise> I would say code is in good state to jump in now
18:23 < Keise> in general
18:23 < Keise> I just started tweaking things two weeks ago and already feel some progress
18:27 < SupSuper> yeah we are at the point *after* we moved everything around
18:27 < SupSuper> so cmake should be all you need
18:27 < SupSuper> assuming JonnyH doesn't move everything around again :p
18:37 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: That's not fair
18:37 <@JonnyH> It's been nearly 2 weeks since I last changed everything
18:37 < SupSuper> you're on vacation right :)
18:37 <@JonnyH> That's a new record! :P
18:46 < SupSuper> it's been 27 days since i remembered msvc exists
18:47 <@JonnyH> I apologies for bringing it up then
18:47 < SupSuper> no i'm reading your sign :p
18:47 <@JonnyH> And with a sigh I replace the number with a 'zero'
19:00 <@JonnyH> I've gotta run, beer to drink, sports of questionable interest to watch
19:00 <@JonnyH> I'll probably continue staring at voxels tomorrow...
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19:01 < Iamasandwich> fuck it. i’m going to try and make this compile. other work and socialization be damned
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19:13 < SupSuper> what's tripping you up?
19:13 < SupSuper> finding all the dependencies?
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20:08 < SupSuper> hey pmprog_laptop
20:09 < pmprog_laptop> Hi SupSuper, how's things?
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20:09 < Iamasandwich> SupSuper: yeah. the package manager we have is a bit weird. i’m using macports
20:10 < Iamasandwich> it installs everything to /opt....
20:10 < Iamasandwich> i may try homebrew which puts things in the “normal� places
20:10 < SupSuper> ah, i thought everyone used brew
20:10 < SupSuper> which seems the most linuxy
20:10 < Iamasandwich> my biggest issue is that it’s destructive; it replaces system binaries
20:10 < Iamasandwich> so you can get in a bad situation sometimes
20:10 < SupSuper> ouch
20:10 < Iamasandwich> vs macports which does things in isolation
20:11 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: finally on holiday, woo
20:11 < SupSuper> too bad this heat just makes me wanna lie around all day and do nothing :p
20:11 < Iamasandwich> it’s sooo hot.
20:11 < pmprog_laptop> Sounds good-ish ;-)
20:12 < pmprog_laptop> There's no harm in having a bit of a wind down
20:13 < pmprog_laptop> Well, sometimes... For me it takes me out of the routine/momentum
20:14 < SupSuper> yeah it's nice
20:15 < SupSuper> until you start feeling guilty over wasting your free time :p
20:15 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, used to that... and now I have no free time :(
20:16 < pmprog_laptop> Or at least any useful free time :(
20:17 < SupSuper> eventually i'll be able to live off my savings. in my 50s. then i'll finish openxcom 2.0!
20:18 < pmprog_laptop> :-) v2 not close to completion?
20:18 < pmprog_laptop> How's TFTD support?
20:18 < pmprog_laptop> I'm afraid I've not looked at OXC for a long time
20:19 < SupSuper> oh it's pretty much done, it's just the remaining "when do we call it done" :p
20:19 < SupSuper> there's always a laundry list of feature requests and scary looking bufs
20:19 < SupSuper> *bugs
20:20 < pmprog_laptop> sounds good. I should really give TFTD another play -- sometime
20:20 < SupSuper> plus just putting a zip out there and calling it done doesn't feel like doing it justice. it needs some fanfare you know?
20:20 < SupSuper> because i'm a terrible ambitious person :p
20:20 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, need to make splash :)
20:20 < Iamasandwich> time for a streamathon
20:20 < Iamasandwich> and other hype
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> BTW, do you have this bundle - https://www.humblebundle.com/pc-android-14-bundle - Wondering if SpaceCom is any good, as that's the only game I think looks interesting
20:21 < Iamasandwich> 2.0 wil be a big deal
20:21 < SupSuper> even though everyone that probably wants to is already playing the nightlies
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> Let me know if you do, I'll put a link on OA's facebook
20:21 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: don't have it. apparently you can get spacecom for free though
20:22 < pmprog_laptop> Really?
20:22 < SupSuper> yeah scroll down
20:22 < SupSuper> no steam key though :p
20:22 < pmprog_laptop> lol
20:22 < pmprog_laptop> that's fine, DRM free is good enough for me
20:22 < SupSuper> that's a dealbreaker for me!!!
20:22 < pmprog_laptop> In fact, I only really look for DRM free games these days
20:23 < SupSuper> Iamasandwich: well we've already streamed it before. in fact i don't know what to do next time, since i've already showed off ufo and tftd. apoc? gamedev? :p
20:23 < pmprog_laptop> Thanks for being so helpful. Can't believe I never saw that myself
20:24 < SupSuper> np
20:24 < Iamasandwich> SupSuper: just because it’s been streamed before, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be again to hype the release. maybe do a run with some mods or something to showcase them
20:24 < Iamasandwich> not xpiratez or whatever
20:24 < Iamasandwich> to get people interested in the game
20:24 < Iamasandwich> the diehard xcom fans are on nightlies but other people might not.
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20:25 < SupSuper> i'm awful with mods :)
20:25 < SupSuper> but i should probably just talk less and more actually get it done
20:27 < SupSuper> and apoc. and all my other side projects. god the days aren't big enough :p
20:27 < pmprog_laptop> hehe, what other side projects do you have?
20:29 < SupSuper> well there was master of magic. and other random game ideas i'd like to remake. and i'm also helping out on undisclosed unity thing
20:29 < SupSuper> you know biding my time until firaxis finally gives us an x-com hd contract or something :p
20:29 < pmprog_laptop> hehe, sounds like a good plan
20:31 < SupSuper> what about you?
20:33 < pmprog_laptop> Well, my side projects are a PiZero/Lego remote control car (which is on hold), a C64 make of my SuperJumpKickTurbo, and Ivan Ironfist (That I'm hoping to eventually try and sell as an indie game)
20:33 < pmprog_laptop> That said, I've barely spent any time on any of them lately
20:33 < pmprog_laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nImf7mdCiiU
20:33 < SupSuper> a more hands-on guy huh
20:34 < pmprog_laptop> Oh, I've also got two FPGA boards - one I was hoping to play with the MEGA65, but also try and make my own 16bit retro computer on a chip
20:34 < pmprog_laptop> but that's also going very slowly
20:35 < SupSuper> i think closest i have to fiddling with retro stuff is "figure out msdos maybe somehow???? that'd be pretty rad and also impossible"
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> MSDOS v1 source code was released you know?
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> In case you're interested
20:37 < pmprog_laptop> I actually bought an VHDL book, which was pretty nice to read. I was also thinking of maybe a FPGA Gameboy core... but too many projects, and not enough time
20:38 < SupSuper> didn't know that. i guess the scary thing is i wouldn't know where to even start or look
20:39 < pmprog_laptop> Well, it'd probably be easier for me to try and write a gameboy emulator first - software based - then try and move it to "hardware"
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> but that's a dream, that I need to let go, and try and just concentrate on Ivan
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> I'd like to see if I could make any money from indie games
20:41 < SupSuper> now that's scary :p
20:41 < pmprog_laptop> Not really, I'll keep my day job until a time where it feels like a real success
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> So really, if it never sells, the only thing I've "lost" is time
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> and maybe a bit of money if I pay for graphics and audio
20:45 < SupSuper> i've got major respect for anyone that makes money off their stuff, i can't really wrap my head around it, don't have the marketing mindset for it
20:45 < SupSuper> at the very least i'd always open-source it, there's so few resources as it is
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, not sure I do either, hence why I thought I'd just give it a go as a sideline
20:46 < SupSuper> _michal seems to do alright on the mobile market
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20:47 < pmprog_laptop> I should try and grab him sometime
20:47 < pmprog_laptop> Hi JonnyH
20:47 < pmprog_laptop> But it's past my bed time now, so I better go
20:47 < pmprog_laptop> Catch you again next time. Take it easy
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20:47 <@JonnyH> hi pmprog
20:48 <@JonnyH> ...bye pmprog
20:52 < Skin36>  :)
20:54 <@JonnyH> Yeah, side-side projects :)
20:55 <@JonnyH> I made the 'mistake' of trying to help someone get the pvr chip in their portable game device working...
21:02 < SupSuper> did it work? :p
21:03 <@JonnyH> ...maybe?
21:03 <@JonnyH> It's like working with your hands tied behind your back
21:03 <@JonnyH> I have source access to the driver
21:04 <@JonnyH> while they 'have' to use the TI binary, with the specific set of options & weirdness they decided on
21:04 <@JonnyH> I should *encourage* reverse engineering efforts of our GPU or something ;)
21:04 <@JonnyH> 'caus an open source driver would make this sooooo much easier
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18:13 < Keise> hey Jonny
18:14 < Keise> Skin36 found crash logic, all looks good now
18:15 < Keise> http://pastebin.com/BkJvzj6Y if interested
18:16 < Keise> mainly checks 'walk_type' on tile if ground or not
18:18 < Keise> as for attacking buildings I'm sure that value is the thing to check
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19:03 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] idshibanov pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vKGSp
19:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ee5d6e8 Ivan Shibanov: Vehicle attack modes and pathfinder fixes
19:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ff1b78a Ivan Shibanov: Merge remote-tracking branch 'pmprog/master' into gameplay/vehicles
19:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a527001 Ivan Shibanov: Disable weapons when evasive or wrecked
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18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog_laptop
18:43 < pmprog_laptop> Hiya JonnyH`Work, how's things?
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> good enough :)
18:43 < pmprog_laptop> Good stuff
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Trying to get the last few things finished before holiday at the end of next week
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so looking forward to that
18:45 < pmprog_laptop> Hope you have a great hols :)
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Thanks :)
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21:32 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7e5ffb1 Jonathan Hamilton: Add function to calculate the 'centre' of a voxel map...
21:32 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a6399e5 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix test_rect framework linkage...
21:32 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0792c52 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix test logging & cleanup the CMakeFile
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23:44 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 86cb559 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix assert
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17:42 < Yolo> Hi guys!
17:42 <@JonnyH> hey
17:42 < Yolo> Do you pan 1:1 remake?
17:42 < Yolo> or wan
17:42 < Yolo> or wanna include some improvements?
17:42 < Yolo> plan*
17:43 <@JonnyH> Version 1.0 is only really looking at 'bug fix' level stuff
17:43 <@JonnyH> I'm not a game designer, so I don't want to 'change' the gamplay
17:43 <@JonnyH> But we're leaving hooks in there to allow easy changing of stuff (like mods etc.)
17:43 <@JonnyH> Even getting that far is going to take a while
17:43 < Yolo> Yeach, but there are lots of stuff that can make life better without altering gameplau
17:43 <@JonnyH> so much beyond that is still 'early' plans
17:44 < Yolo> I mean hotkeys, better ui etc.
17:44 < Yolo> Auto reequipping soldiers
17:44 <@JonnyH> We're already tweaking the UI to fit 'modern' higher-resolutions etc.  better anyway
17:44 < Yolo> Well
17:44 < Yolo> You need more devs?
17:45 <@JonnyH> and auto-reequipping soldiers was 'there' in the original, it just was kinda buggy and easy to break :)
17:45 <@JonnyH> yup, devs would be cool :D
17:45 < Yolo> yeach
17:45 < Yolo> I love xcom, but I don't see point in 1:1 remake
17:45 < Yolo> I mean without usability improvements
17:45 <@JonnyH> I fully expect us to continue after 1.0 to fix issues :)
17:46 <@JonnyH> It's just a milestone on the way
17:46 < Yolo> I
17:46 < Yolo> I'm not they guy who likes loader plumbing
17:46 <@JonnyH> 'loader plumbing'?
17:47 < Yolo> Reverse engineering original apoc
17:47 < Yolo> but I could help with gameplay
17:47 <@JonnyH> Oh no, that's Skin36's job :P
17:47 < Yolo> I guess
17:47 <@JonnyH> TBH he's faster at reverse-engineering than we are at programming already
17:47 < Yolo> ;)
17:47 <@JonnyH> as in we're bottlenecked by coders
17:48 < Yolo> I'm not really experienced
17:48 <@JonnyH> Everyone has to start somewhere ;)
17:48 <@JonnyH> Though I suspect our choice of c++ isn't great for a programming newbie
17:48 < Yolo> I made somethink like that
17:48 < Yolo> http://www.indiedb.com/games/warlocks-gauntlet
17:48 < Yolo> I work as backend web developer in c#
17:49 < Yolo> something*
17:49 <@JonnyH> I kinda treated this as a project to 'learn' modern c++11
17:49 < Yolo> blah, sorry just bought ergonomic keyboard ;)
17:49 <@JonnyH> so it's probably more similar to c# than oldschool c++
17:49 < Yolo> C++ was my first lang
17:50 < Yolo> but it was years ago
17:50 <@JonnyH> If you feel like taking a look anyway I'm sure *any* help would be appreciated :D
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17:50 < Yolo> can you guide me a bit
17:50 < Yolo> ?
17:50 <@JonnyH> Sure, what platform are you on?
17:51 < Yolo> win
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17:51 <@JonnyH> That should be simple enough, you need msvc2015 (2013 doesn't have some c++11 features we use)
17:51 < shadow> Bah
17:51 < shadow> gotta install C++ stuff
17:51 <@JonnyH> clone it from github (if you use the github for desktop UI it'll pull in submodules automatically)
17:51 <@JonnyH> open openapoc.sln and build :)
17:51 <@JonnyH> should be enough
17:52 <@JonnyH> I spend a fair bit of time to try to get it as close to 'one button setup' as I could
17:52 <@JonnyH> but yeah, you need the c++ tools from msvc2015
17:52 <@JonnyH> the community edition is fine
17:52 < shadow> I have enterprise
17:53 <@JonnyH> and even just the 'build' tools package works if you're willing to use the cmdline to build
17:53 < shadow> just gotta install c++
17:53 <@JonnyH> I assume that works the same? I've never tried though...
17:53 < shadow> yeach
17:53 <@JonnyH> (I dev on linux for my job :)
17:53 < shadow> och ;))
17:53 <@JonnyH> I like it
17:53 <@JonnyH> Some tools just don't seem to have a windows equivalent
17:53 <@JonnyH> I mean, how can you work on native code without valgrind/sanitizers? :P
17:54 < shadow> Idk
17:54 < shadow> I don't work on native code ;_
17:54 <@JonnyH> Lucky you..
17:54 <@JonnyH> My 'day job' is embedded gpu drivers
17:54 < shadow> och
17:54 <@JonnyH> c++11 is 'high level' for me ;)
17:54 < shadow> hardcore for me
17:55 < shadow> I programmed some stuff on uc in asm, but hate the plumbing after all
17:55 < shadow> ok
17:55 < shadow> do you have some issue tracker
17:56 <@JonnyH> It's all a bit ad-hoc
17:56 < shadow> and kind of easy stuff to do for newcomer? :)
17:56 <@JonnyH> we have a big TODO.md in the root of the project
17:56 <@JonnyH> but we don't yet have any fleshed out into standalong 'projects', they're all top-level headline features
17:56 < shadow> well, that's original ;)
17:57 < shadow> och btw, what license do you plan to release on?
17:57 <@JonnyH> currently MIT
17:58 <@JonnyH> though I've been thinking of re-licenceing the 'libraries' MIT and the 'game' GPL or something
17:58 <@JonnyH> but don't really care enough at this point
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18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Scared them off already :D
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18:19 < shadow> Well
18:19 < shadow> it works
18:19 < shadow> O.o
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> cool :)
18:19 < shadow> lags like hell thougg
18:19 < shadow> though
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> debug mode?
18:19 < shadow> aye
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> MSVC's debug mode *really* doesn't like our use of the stl for the game structures
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Not really sure what to do about it
18:20 < shadow> bah
18:21 < shadow> load takes a while too
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I think SupSuper tried to make a build option that is debug, except disabling the extra stl checks, not sure how successful that was
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> needless to say, performance of the 'debug' build hasn't been a priority :P
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18:22 < shadow> well, compiling release ;)
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I got vsync-limited 60fps on my nexus player (Android intel atom)
18:22 < shadow> how many pple works on windows?
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> so suspect it's corner cases
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper does
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I think Ivan does too...
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess that leaves me as the only one using linux mostly :P
18:23 < shadow> bah C++  looks so savage :P
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Note: 'My c++' is not necessarily the same as 'Good c++' :P
18:24 < shadow> I guess that's due to -> and :: operators
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Better than perl :P
18:24 < shadow> ;D
18:24 < shadow> ok on release it is nice
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH the linux debug mode doesn't seem to have the same degree of slowdown, so it's not bothered me enough to fix...
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Honestly, on pretty much any semi-modern hardware it should be pretty fast
18:25 < shadow> i5-6600k here
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> No problem on that then :)
18:25 < shadow> and I had like 5 fps in debug
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it's because we use foreach loops in the 'core' game loop
18:26 < shadow> It looks pretty well tbh
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> they optimise out to pretty much nothing
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> but if you enable all the stl iterator checks etc. that debug does it makes a big difference
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm currently trying to fix some bugs in the collision code
18:27 < shadow> hmm some sprites are zfighting sometimes
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> So if you see any issues there it's OK, I know :P
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> unfortunately, there's no real way we can correct that
18:28 < shadow> esp shadows
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> the original has 'z fighting' :P
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> the shadows disappearing through the floor is one symptom of some collision issues
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> as it currently figures out where to put the shadow by using the same collision code
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> but stuff like it popping up from 'behind' a hill seems unavoidable
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's just an artifact of how the tile engine works
18:29 < shadow> och
18:29 < shadow> no image found for vehicle
18:30 < shadow> you said something about bug file
18:30 < shadow> ?
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> and I don't really know how to fix that without modifying the original data files (like adding a depth to each pixel or something)
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> TODO.md has the big list of stuff that we know doesn't work :P
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> If you tried to launch a ground vehicle it'll fail to find an image at this point
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> as ground vehilcles are pretty much entirely unimplemented
18:31 < shadow> I guess that was that
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> If it's a flying vehicle that shouldn't happen...
18:32 < shadow> hmm I see some bugs with airbone pathfinding already ;)
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it clips through corners for one
18:32 < shadow> yeach and takes suboptimal path
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> That might be the 'preferred height' you can set
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise it should be optimal
18:33 < shadow> nah
18:33 < shadow> in gorund level
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm.. that shouldn't happen
18:33 < shadow> sec
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> one possible issue is it doesn't recalculate until there's a blockage directly in front of it
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> so if it launches when something's in the way of the optimal path
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> it'll continue with the suboptimal one if it moves out the way
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise it just uses a*
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> (though we've tweaked it a bit recently to do stuff like the 'preferred' height, so it's possible it's not quite working right)
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> there's a 'show vehicle paths' to show the planned routes in the options menu
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> might be useful for validating it
18:36 < shadow> bah
18:36 < shadow> made screenshot
18:37 < shadow> but I'm on mobile connection TT
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> If something doesn't look right Ivan ('Keise' on chat) is probably the guy to ask
18:37 < shadow> ok
18:37 < shadow> Shall I check it?
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Perhaps? I can't really look at it directly right now
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> as I unfortunately don't get paid for work on openapoc ;)
18:38 < shadow> or Idk
18:38 < shadow> yeach
18:38 < shadow> could you just point me out
18:39 < shadow> where I can do something useful and not too hard?
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> hmmm.. maybe the save dialog or something?
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> currently it just saves/loads 'save.zip' with no way of selecting the path/name/whatever?
18:40 < shadow> ok
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Though that involves writing a Form, which is a bit nasty (see the data/UI/whatever.xml file for reference)
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRc the original has 10 selectable slots
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> you could use that (and then you can use the same background image)
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> or something fancier
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> but for now save1...10.zip would probably be fine :)
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Keise was mostly working on 'vehicle missions' recently
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> as I said I was looking at the collision detection bugs, and hopefully when that's fixed I'll go back to completing research
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> there's a lot fo stuff in the 'base' management stuff that is still todo if that looks more interesting
18:42 < shadow> bah, lack of tracker makes me feel weird, idk what to do with my report ;)
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> put it on github
18:43 < shadow> okay!
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> github issues are probably the simplist for now
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Assuming we need anything more :)
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog's repository is the 'main' one
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm going to hop out for lunch, so back in a bit
18:52 < shadow> Have you thought about introducing something like cgui, to don't bother with gui plumbing?
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> It keeps going through my mind
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> but my experience with cegui is that it's hard to match the 'feel' on old game GUIs
19:17 < shadow> gui systems looks nice
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> for better or worse :)
19:17 < shadow> at first glance ;
19:17 < shadow> I guess that backgrounds are unpacked from iso?
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it 'mounts' the iso as part of the data path
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> sometimes it can be hard finding the 'correct' image
19:19 < shadow> bah how to open pcx
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> so I extracted them all to .pngs
19:19 < shadow> nice
19:19 < shadow> how to do so?
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/
19:19 < shadow> thx
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> that's the .pck's not the .pcx
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> .pcx is a 'standard' graphics format IIRC?
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> my previewer here opens them fine...
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe something like photoshop?
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Or paint.net or something will show them?
19:21 < shadow> ok i'll try
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I uploaded the .pcx in .png format there too
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> it's a bit complex for images, as most things in apoc are paletted
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> so the .pcx files contain both a palette and the image using it
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> while .pck files just the image, so need a palette reference
19:24 < shadow> it
19:24 < shadow> well is there support for regular images?
19:24 < shadow> I see there is, but can I make custom weapon? :_
19:25 < shadow> without palette?
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> yup, we support .pngs too
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> but we use the original data files where possible :)
19:26 < shadow> I
19:27 < shadow> I guess you extracted only part of sprites there?
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> the shadow and 'strategy map' sprites aren't extracted
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> and all the 'tactical' game sprites are missing too
19:29 < shadow> save screen bg will be there as sprite, or magic is involved?
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> that'll be one of the .pcx files
19:29 < shadow> ach damn, options screen have bg of equipment screen
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> ufodata/savegame.png?
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> well, .pcx :)
19:30 < shadow> derp
19:30 < shadow> thanks, I hope that i'll used to it ;)
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I normally fire up the original in dosbox and take a screenshot for reference
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> but the save game stuff is some thing we can easily improve on
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> we're no longer limited in disk space to 10 slots :)
19:32 < shadow> I think that i'
19:32 < shadow> i'll remake original for start
19:32 < shadow> but I think that one improvement is needed
19:33 < shadow> pass name of save to load in cmd line ;)
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> ./OpenApoc --load-save=save.zip
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> already there :P
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> It's how I test most things
19:34 < shadow> ach I need that so bad :D
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW your bug report
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> you expected it to go diagonally down into the pad?
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19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure why it didn't, it *should* use euclidian distance (not manhatten or anything)...
19:42 < shadow> ye
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Also it should probably choose the closer landing pad to...
19:42 < shadow> I updated screen with built in traciking
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Unless a vehicle happened to be in that tile when it first calculated the route
19:42 < shadow> From what I see each building have entrance and exit
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, each landing pad can be used for either
19:43 < shadow> they arent
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it launches from the first-free (so depends on the order they're specified)
19:43 < shadow> I guess that I need to report that too :D
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> but should route to the closest
19:43 < shadow> Atm it looks like it always uses one to enter and other one to leave
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> It should probably launch from the closest too
19:43 < shadow> I tested on two buildings
19:44 < shadow> can I live reload forms?
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm...
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Nope, unfortunately, you have to restart the game
19:44 < shadow> guess not?
19:44 < shadow> looks easy to implement though
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> it currently parses all forms at startup
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but you could probably defer that to GetForm?
19:46 < shadow> nah I need to reload em
19:46 < shadow> to ease setting gui pixels
19:46 < shadow> worth it>
19:46 < shadow> ?
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably is?
19:46 < shadow> i'll try then
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I've spent quite a bit of time tweaking forms by a couple of pixels to get stuff to line up
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> if that'll make that easier it's good
19:47 < shadow> yeach hate that too LD
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog did most of the form stuff
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I think he tried to add a 'form viewer' in the debug menu
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> but not sure how useful that is, as it won't show "dynamic" elements
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> IE the stuff you add in-code
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> just the xml
19:48 < shadow> but no manipulation?
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> nope
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> no editor
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I have the start of a 'GameState' editor in a branch somewhere
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> but it requires quite a few changes to the serialization code so it's not done yet
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> The 'magical future plan' was to possible add  UI editing too
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> but still not even started looking at that
19:49 < shadow> another suggestion
19:49 < shadow> do you like convetions? :)
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> 'conventions'?
19:50 < shadow> like "take all xml in that dir and parse forms from em"
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm cool with that
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm not sure I like the current 'having to edit the parent .xml to add every new file'
19:50 < shadow> :)
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> so something like "include UI/*.xml " is fine with me
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I think we use boost::filesystem for 'os-agnostic' filesystem stuff like that
19:53 < shadow> I guess that I'll do it after start menu
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I want to avoid win32/posix directly
19:53 < shadow> don't wanna mess too much with io at start
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Might also be useful for 'does the file save1.zip exist' etc.
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> for the savegame ui
19:53 < shadow> ach true
19:53 < shadow> no there yet though :D
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> 'saving' data in openapoc is a mess at the minute
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> different paths use different APIs...
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> physfs should be used for 'reading' data though
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> (through the fs.cpp wrapper)
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> as stuff like Android uses a different implemntation
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> and allows us to read the .iso file etc.
19:56 < shadow> ow android
19:56 < shadow> what other platforms?
19:56 < shadow> are there?
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I've only tested windows & linux
19:56 < shadow> you plan android?
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't have a mac to test on, same with ios
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> eventually, yes
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> we got a proof-of-concept running
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> and that's "enough" for now, as it doesn't make sense to finish the small issues when 90% of the game still doesn't wrok right :)
20:18 < shadow> I see you don't have correct excludes in repo for vs, shall I add em to gitignore?
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> sure
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Also I need to add a couple of unit tests to msvc too...
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I wrote them trying to track down the collision issues
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> it kinda makes sense to keep them around in case
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20:25 < shadow> aww heck, it's not gitignore, sb commited .user (local vs settings) to repo
20:25 < shadow> wut
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug*
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> if it's not meant to be there, remove it and add it to .gitignore?
20:26 < shadow> I guess that i'll ask vs guys when they'll be there
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> CMAkeLists.txt is mine :)
20:27 < shadow> removing it would kill their builds ;C
20:27 < shadow> ;)
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I also have an appveyor doing CI on windows for my repo
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> but that uses msbuild directly, so no .user file I guess?
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> as it worked fine without it...
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> (and travis-ci doing the same for linux)
20:27 < shadow> Och sirry
20:27 < shadow> I mean custom settings not build
20:28 < shadow> (damn ergonomic keyboard ;d)
20:28 < shadow> nvm this, i'll discuss with vs guys
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems to store stuff like then 'current' build type
20:28 < shadow> or command line paramters ;)
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> so yeah it doesn't seem to need being hept in the repo?
20:28 < shadow> nope, at least I don't do so at work
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> c:\users\embarressing_user_name\Documents\where_i_keep_my_porn
21:02 < shadow> I need some way to reload only forms without other resources
21:02 < shadow> and loading forms is coupled with parsing xml
21:02 < shadow> I guess that I'll decouple that?
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC the only things in that xml are forms?
21:03 < shadow> nope
21:03 < shadow> fonts too
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm, yes
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> probably splitting them out would be cool
21:03 < shadow> I mean maybe not decouple, but make possibility to load one kind of node too
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> no real need to have an xml file specifying all the fonts
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> just make LoadFont("name") try to open data/Fonts/name.xml or something
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> same with the forms
21:04 < shadow> it works other way now - "load these xmls whatever is there"
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC the forms/fonts was the 'first thing' we implemented
21:05 < shadow> I guess that i
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> before we really had though of the 'right' structure to design :)
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and we can't just push them into the GameState
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> as the MainMenu depends on them :P
21:06 < shadow> hmm I think that I should just limit names of nodes that this methods accepts, don't really see way of changing this without changing whole loading stuff
21:07 < shadow> and I think that i'm not ready for that
21:07 < shadow> so something like "load all xmls, but skip nodes not named form"
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Or mandate that everything in UI/*.xml Must be a form xml
21:08 < shadow> yeach but what about mods then?
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21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure how mods will interact with the UI yet
21:08 < shadow> they definietly need to
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's likely they'll then add another UI/ path into the physfs union
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> then openFile(UI/form.xml) will check the mod path first, then fallback to the default etc.
21:09 < shadow> okay then
21:09 < Mutter> Hi
21:09 < shadow> Hello!
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> good afternoon!
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> ...Or whatever it is, wherever you are...
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21:10 < skin36> Hm
21:11 < skin36> Good night for me
21:13 < skin36> I'm figure out ufo crash code
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that how it uses the tile WALK_TYPE to find if a tile is ok to crash on?
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Or something else?
21:20 < skin36> Yes, but something else
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> oh?
21:23 < skin36> For walk type 1
21:24 < skin36> If road junction tile Brocken
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21:39 < shadow> bah forms have different file names than form names
21:39 < shadow> too scared to remake whole resource loading anyway ;)
21:39 < shadow> but it works nicely
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23:13 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vK4AT
23:13 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f7bad37 Jonathan Hamilton: travis: Make the test pass print out messages to console...
23:13 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9169907 Jonathan Hamilton: Start work on a tilemap test
23:13 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master fefef21 Jonathan Hamilton: Add some more lines to collision test_tilemap...
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15:21 < shadow> Hello
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16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Hi shadow
16:58 < shadow> I made some extensions to control loading
16:59 < shadow> I hope that you'll like em ;)
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Cool :)
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I fixed the collision stuff too, so I might go back to research
16:59 < shadow> you may write x% to set size to percentage of parent
16:59 < shadow> and you may set "item" height  to set height to closest listbox itemSize
17:00 < shadow> what you think>
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can do relative sizes?
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Nice :)
17:00 < shadow> yeach
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Does that work if you resize the parent?
17:00 < shadow> nope
17:00 < shadow> it's just extension to xml loader
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that going to be used in the saved game?
17:01 < shadow> Kind of
17:02 < shadow> http://pastebin.com/KGHVhKAJ
17:35 < shadow> can't really do that after all
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
17:35 < shadow> I think that I'll drop it
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a shame pmprog is busy with 'real life' stuff
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> He knows a lot more about the forms stuff tham me (He wrote it after all :)
17:36 < shadow> Bah
17:36 < shadow> I'll just hardcode everything I guess
17:36 < shadow> :(
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> :( indeed
17:37 < shadow> Will he be here anytime soon?
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I doubt it
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> he's not been active much recently
17:38 < shadow> Well I can fight it though, but I'm new and don't want to be too aggressive with changing stuff
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> He's been on irc a couple of times this last week
17:38 < shadow> through*
17:58 < shadow> by the way, I noticed that Strings::IsInteger returns true for "123ASC", is this correct?
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it returns true if it can be parsed as an integer
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> which that can (it'll get '123' then stop)
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> not "Is this string wholly an integer"
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> IT'll also return true for fp types I guess :P
18:21 < shadow> Can I bother you with questions when you're at work?
18:22 < shadow> SP much new stuff in C++ *.*
18:22 < shadow> So*
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> TODO: Make the vehicle pathfinding slightly less inefficient ;)
19:12 < shadow> Live reload is ready
19:13 < shadow> https://github.com/ShadowDancer/OpenApoc/commit/88d4926ea03d4fff13db45c0ebb938dc8137c5dd
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, for code formatting we have a .clang-format file that specifies the standards
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> so if you install clang 3.8 you can use that to make sure it matches the rest of the code :)
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I think there's a msvc plugin to use it too
19:15 < shadow> you use clang as compiler? I have like 50 warnings
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> You can use clang-format as a seprate formatting-only tool
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> use also use clang on linux :)
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> but you probably only care about clang-format
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> The goal is just to have a standard for the whole repository
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and a tool that enforces that is easier than manually fixing up code IMHO
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19:21 < shadow>  You see these warnings on clang build too?
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> https://travis-ci.org/JonnyH/OpenApoc/jobs/144607655
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> is a clang build
19:21 < shadow> thx
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> https://travis-ci.org/JonnyH/OpenApoc is my linux build tester
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> it does gcc, clang, and a 'tidy' pass (running the clang-tidy static analyser)
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> If you register for travis-ci with your own github account you can enable it on your fork too
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> it should automatically pick up the .travis.yml file that contains the build instructions
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> but I've not tried clang-on-windows
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19:44 < shadow> Got it
19:44 < shadow> https://github.com/ShadowDancer/OpenApoc/commit/88d4926ea03d4fff13db45c0ebb938dc8137c5dd
19:45 < shadow> Looks like clang format won't be my favourite way of programming stuff though ;)
19:46 < shadow> formatting stuff
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> don't like the style?
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Or just doesn't integrate well with msvc?
19:48 < shadow> I'm used to getting stuff formatted as I type
19:48 < shadow> but I guess that you can't have this in cpp
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> the clang libtooling supports that, but naturally msvc doesn't use that :P
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19:49 < shadow> TT What editors support that?
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> vim? ;)
19:49 < shadow> och don't scare me ;)
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> My workflow is very unix-ie, my 'ide' is the command line
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Some find that pretty scary :P
19:50 < shadow> I'd like to try
19:50 < shadow> but before I configure everything
19:50 < shadow> I'd probably made few applications on windows
19:50 < shadow> that scares me away
19:51 < shadow> anyway I added refresh button in form viewer
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I think stuff like qt-creator supports clang's tooling too, if you want a more GUI-based thingie :)
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I tend to avoid stuff modifying stuff 'live' in the editor myself
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I have the reformat stuff integrated into the build pass
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> but then again I don't like autocomplete either
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and some people seem to love it
19:52 < shadow> well
19:53 < shadow> it helps in declarative programming ;)
19:53 < shadow> you just specify start and target type, and press autocomplete till it's done
19:53 < shadow> :D
19:54 < shadow> helps if it's 12th hour at work
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> That's the dream of software engineering right? Get the computer to do *Everything* for you :P
19:54 < shadow> Yeach
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20:17 < shadow> What is usting type?
20:18 < shadow> UString
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> UString is just a wrapper to force utf8 strings
20:18 < shadow> what about wstring or something like that?
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> wstring isn't utf8 and changes size on each platform
20:19 < shadow> are there things that I shouldn't do with these?
20:19 < shadow> I find myself doing stuff like specialsizey.str().back()
20:19 < shadow> ustrung.str().back()
20:19 < shadow> etc.
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> that will return the last byte, which may be in the middle of a codepoint
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Depends what you're doing with it?
20:20 < shadow> I want to check if it is some character
20:20 < shadow> let
20:20 < shadow> for instance '%'
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Comparing against ascii (the low 127) is fine
20:21 < shadow> thanks
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> as if it's a multibyte code the high bit is set
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> so will compare 'false', which is probably what you want :)
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20:49 < shadow> Looks like I'll have to implement enumerateDirectory myself?
20:50 < shadow> with PHYSFS_enumerateFiles(currentPath.c_str());
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup, we currently have nothing that searches in a directory so it's not been useful (yet)
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> if I was making my own library (rather that just requiring the minimum to get openapoc working :
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I would try to use the c++17 filesystem api w/physfs support
21:15 < shadow> I wonder how to manage save files. They are zip files, but need additional metadata.
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> probably add the openapoc_manifest.xml to zip files?
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> then 'is this a save' becomes (IS_VALID_ZIP(file) && HAS_VALID_MANIFEST(file))
21:16 < shadow> ok thanks
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I added that initially so you could seralize in stuff from directories
21:16 < shadow> what about save names?
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> but probably could be added to the 'zip' path too
21:17 < shadow> how to avoid collision with system reserved names?
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> add a <name> tag to the manifest?
21:17 < shadow> ye, but I guess that user would like to find something reasonable in saves folder
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Ask supsuper how openxcom does it next time he's around?
21:17 < shadow> ok
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> You could have a 'sanitized' version of the name as the filename
21:18 < shadow> I thought about prefix initially
21:18 < shadow> should deal with com0 etc.
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> like in unix any valid c string is a perfectly fine filename with one exception - the '/' character
21:19 < shadow> sadly not on win ;(
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC the 'nul' 'com0' etc. files are only 'reserved' through some api paths
21:19 < shadow> ye, but i'll do more research
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure what physfs uses :)
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> (probably the oldest most-busted ones)
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22:22 < shadow> bah
22:22 < shadow> time's up
22:22 < shadow> good night~
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> night
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16:32 < shadow__> Hello
16:34 <@JonnyH> hey
16:34 < shadow__> you told me some stuff yesterday
16:35 < shadow__> about save games, but can't get it right
16:35 < shadow__> save should be directory or zip?
16:35 < Keise> hi
16:35 < shadow__> or maybe directory with manifest and zip?
16:35 < shadow__> hello
16:35 <@JonnyH> saves probably zips
16:36 <@JonnyH> but they both go through the same serialization paths
16:36 < shadow__> but physfs can get inside zip?
16:36 <@JonnyH> I just think a self-contained file is more user friendly
16:36 <@JonnyH> yeah, you can PHYSFS_mount a zip
16:37 <@JonnyH> but for the saved game it actually decompresses into memory using minizip not physfs
16:37 < shadow__> I don't need to decompress whole save
16:37 < shadow__> because it would lag at save screen if you have lots of saves
16:38 < shadow__> ok, thanks for tips, i'll check it
16:38 < Keise> finally I'm home and can work on stuff..
16:38 < shadow__> I got loading basically, still that PHYSFS gives me hard time
16:39 < Keise> hey Jonny, error pops up on my laptop during the intro and I'm not sure why
16:39 < Keise> "Only nearest scaler is supported on paletted images"
16:39 < Keise> never seen it before
16:40 <@JonnyH> The intro video?
16:40 < Keise> yes
16:40 <@JonnyH> that should be using the NEAREST scaler...
16:40 <@JonnyH> ...because non-nearest isn't supported on paletted images :)
16:41 <@JonnyH> Wait, it does...
16:41 <@JonnyH> But only on the gles3 renderer :)
16:41 <@JonnyH> I bet you have older gpu drivers or something so it falls back to the (slower) renderer
16:43 < Keise> yeah, probably
16:43 < Keise> it's a laptop anyway
16:43 <@JonnyH> wait... no... gles3 doesn't support that anyway...
16:43 <@JonnyH> How is this working normally????
16:44 < Keise> I think the error is coming from ogl 2.0 renderer
16:44 <@JonnyH> ogl2? That's pretty ancient :P
16:44 <@JonnyH> It'll be noticably slower in the city...
16:44 <@JonnyH> I do lots of fancy batching and stuff for the gles3 renderer (which was my focus)
16:44 <@JonnyH> ogl2 is very much a fallback...
16:44 < Keise> I see
16:44 <@JonnyH> Can I ask what gpu that is?
16:45 < Keise> ugh.. intel something-something
16:45 < Keise> I can check later
16:45 <@JonnyH> It'll say at the top of the openapoc_log.txt what extensions etc. it has
16:45 <@JonnyH> if you can post that somewhere it might be interesting
16:45 < Keise> alright
16:46 <@JonnyH> I'll fixup that spurious error anyway
16:47 < Keise> great
16:47 < Keise> how is collision stuff going?
16:48 <@JonnyH> Collision is officially fixed :)
16:48 <@JonnyH> the f6 output image shows what I expect
16:48 <@JonnyH> and I added a couple of unit tests to hopefully stop me breaking it again
16:48 <@JonnyH> Turned out my assumption that the line drawing could be extended to real numbers is complete nonsense
16:48 <@JonnyH> so it was testing against the wrong tiles
16:49 <@JonnyH> Also, I just tested on my laptop i3320 intel gpu and that has GL_ARB_ES3_compatibility
16:49 <@JonnyH> which is the extension we use
16:49 <@JonnyH> so 'relatively' old intel GPUs are ok
16:49 < Keise> maybe it's a driver
16:50 <@JonnyH> Maybe
16:50 <@JonnyH> The ES3 compat isn't really anything new, it's just a rollup of api changes
16:50 <@JonnyH> so doesn't need a fancy new gpu, but more likely an updated driver
16:51 <@JonnyH> I *could* port most of the fast stuff to 'desktop' opengl3 (probably with some extensions?)
16:51 <@JonnyH> but that'll be a fair bit of work...
16:52 < Keise> that's not needed now
16:52 <@JonnyH> hopefully that should fix pointless scaler messages
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16:52 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vKun0
16:52 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master abf3d64 Jonathan Hamilton: Always use Nearest scaler for video...
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16:52 < Keise> it worked on the laptop in general
16:52 < Keise> just the error kept popping up
16:52 <@JonnyH> If it's places other than the video playback I might have to fix those paths too...
16:53 <@JonnyH> Or make it a warning and fallback-to-nearest anyway (which is what the ogles3_v2 version uses, which is why I didn't notice)
16:53 <@JonnyH> that reminds me, I should delete the 'old' gles3 (non-v2) renderer
16:53 <@JonnyH> as it is objectively worse when running on the same hw
16:54 < Keise> cleanup time again :)
16:54 <@JonnyH> We probably should remove everything but 'gl2' as a lowest-required-feature but slow version
16:54 <@JonnyH> and ogles3_v2 as the fast one
17:26 < Keise> oh, by the way
17:26 < Keise> I was looking at project's github
17:27 < Keise> should we cleanup issues and etc?
17:27 <@JonnyH> Oh, probably :)
17:27 <@JonnyH> I think I was playing around with that for a while to see if it was useful to track progress
17:28 <@JonnyH> but it doesn't really fit well to 'milestones' that constantly split :)
17:32 < Keise> yea, big TODO list kind of replaced milestones
17:32 <@JonnyH> It might be a better fit if you actually know what was still to do
17:33 <@JonnyH> rather than constantly figuring out how apoc did thing
17:33 < Keise> I think we figured out most of the stuff
17:35 < Keise> is compiling and running extractors project enough for the data update?
17:35 < Keise> I'll put more variables into scenery
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18:20 < Keise> hmm I feel performance improvement in-game with new collisions
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> 'Long' lines will have (if they cross multiple tiles it used to effectively re-draw the line completely for each tile)
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> but stuff within one tile should be pretty mich the same
18:23 < Keise> it definitely runs faster and F6 takes only 2 seconds instead of 20
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, f6 would hit that as they draw lines through the whole map
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's rarely used 'in game' - like projectile collisions only draw the distance moved in one tick
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> The shadow projection should also be a bit faster if higher than z=1 similarly
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> and the cursor click hit detection too
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> but they're probably not high on the profile anyway...
18:25 < shadow__> https://www.dropbox.com/s/312rkl4el8subo2/SaveMenu.png?dl=0
18:25 < shadow__> save menu form
18:25 < Keise> awesome fix :)
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks good :)
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that opening each file to get the info manually? Or using physfs?
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> the serialisation stuff wasn't really designed for 'peeking' little bits of data...
18:26 < shadow__> well atm it is usung physfs, but files are not packed
18:26 < shadow__> so it's well
18:26 < shadow__> guts not really finished
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> I might be able to tweak the serialisation stuff so you can query 'metadata' without reading the whole package if that's useful
18:27 < shadow__> that would be awesome
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe I'll be able to look at that this weekend...
18:28 < shadow__> also attempt to load game from directory crashes game with message that openapoc_manifest is missing
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I already planned to add metadata
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, when you 'save' to a directory it should create an openapoc_manifest.xml containing a list of all the contained files
18:28 < shadow__> I'll take a look later
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> it uses that to try to tell the difference between a directory that contains a saved game and any other dir.
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> all saves should either be .zips or have an openapoc_manifest.xml in the root dir
18:29 < shadow__> och, I was so confused because zips don
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> that's something that will likely change with the metdata planned too, as the .zips would need a manifest too
18:29 < shadow__> don't have manifests
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> the .zip file directory effectively acts as a manifest there
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> but I want to add more data than the zip directory contains (so we can do 'relative' saves / mods etc.)
18:30 < shadow__> ok, so I guess that I will polish ui and leave guts open
18:30 < shadow__> btw how we'll do it?
18:31 < shadow__> you will commit to master and i'll merge?
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> You can push the UI to master (or a pull request in github)
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> even if it doesnt 'function' right now
18:31 < shadow__> ok
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> you're not regressing anything :)
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> don't forget to clang-format before pushing
18:32 < shadow__> yeye
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Otherwise I'll while like a little girl
18:32 < shadow__> I extended some features like Strings, Filesystem etc.
18:32 < shadow__> shall I document it somewhere?
18:33 < shadow__> for instance in pull request or something?
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> comments in the relevent headers are probably the closest we have to documentation right now
18:33 < shadow__> ok, doxydoc?
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> the pull request should have an overview, but probably not 'technical docs'
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> not currently using any documentation generator format
18:33 < shadow__> I mean
18:34 < shadow__> och you work in terminal :)
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> pretty mich?
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Bah, I recently moved to a fancy mechanical keyboard w/blank keycaps
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks nice but not helping my typos...
18:35 < shadow__> das keyboard?
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> yup, das ultimate :D
18:35 < shadow__> you live in us?
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, CA
18:35 < shadow__> derp
18:35 < shadow__> can't buy das keyboard in EU :)
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> But I'm coming home to the UK next week
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> So not sure if I'll be doing much openapoc on holiday :)
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Huh, you can get das keyboards on amazon (uk)... expensive though
18:38 < shadow__> my coworkers wanted to make joke and changed keycaps all over keyboard
18:38 < shadow__> so now if you look at my keyboard at all you cannot type anthing
18:39 < shadow__> level higer than das ultimate ;)
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably worse than blank keys, at least they're not distracting :)
18:39 < shadow__> anyway back to comments
18:39 < shadow__> msvc can read comments in popular formats from header files and display in editor
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been playing around with clang-tidy stuff a fair bit
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> and one thing that allows is mandating specific comment formats for function annotations etc.
18:40 < shadow__> I am suprised that noone's using that (here)
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I suppose it's what you get with organic growth of a project with no real 'plan' :P
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Same with the completel different naming_styles betweenFiles
18:40 < shadow__> yeach
18:41 < shadow__> wanted to ask about it too
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> (another thing I intend to make better Soon (tm))
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18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I personally quite like lower_case
18:41 < shadow__> what is main naming convention?
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> but that seems to become a religious war :)
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18:41 < shadow__> well I can get used to anything
18:41 < shadow__> but lowercase gets a bit hardcore ;D
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I think 'most' is using camelCase for variables, CapitialisedForFunctionsAndClasses
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I find _ as a separator much easier to scan over than capsInMiddleOfWords
18:42 < shadow__> yeach maybe
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and Capitals_With_Underscores looks kinda ugly...
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> but at some point 'small' preferences aren't worth having inconsistency
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18:43 < shadow__> on the other hand if you_have_super_long_variable_name_with_underscores_it_is_a_bit_long
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I tried to use the clang-tidy autoconversion feature
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> but it crashed :P
18:43 < shadow__> lol
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> ifYouHaveSuperLongVariableNameWithNoUnderscoresItsNotMuchMoreReadable
18:43 < shadow__> ye but shorter so you may fit two in one line ;)
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm very much pro 'terse' code where possible\
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> 'i' is a fine iterator if it's obvious in context
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> no need for number_of_widgets_that_we_are_currently_looping_through
18:44 < shadow__> C++ is verbose like hell though
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> a rather extreme example, but you know what I mean ;)
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> And even the standard library is not consistent
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> 'most' c++ std uses lower_case
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but not all
18:45 < shadow__> och about lower case earlier i was talking about all lowercase identifiers
18:45 < shadow__> like newitemslot
18:45 < shadow__> idk who likes that style but it is all over ui
18:46 < shadow__> O_o
18:46 < shadow__> anyway so what convention should I push?
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect that's a "c library" thing
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> where 8 characters was all you got
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> you end up with ctype/strstr/whatever :)
18:48 < shadow__> there is urban legend about guy whose company reserved first 5 ;)
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> general code stuff: use 'auto' where possible, same with iterators/foreach
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/PROPOSAL/code-style-doc/CODE_STYLE.md
18:50 < shadow__> foreach o_O
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I started trying to write a code style doc there
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> but kinda put it to the side as we'd need to go through all the current code to make it match :P
18:51 < shadow__> no way to make clang formatter working?
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> the formatter only does formatting, not renaming
18:52 < shadow__> clang-tidy*
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> But everything else 'should' be automagic with the clang-format config file checked in
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> clang-tidy was the thing I was experimenting with, and it's rather... unstable with the Identifier Naming pass :)
18:53 < shadow__> darn
18:53 < shadow__> anyway
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> This was a while back, it was only introduced in 3.8 IIRC
18:53 < shadow__> it's better to have spec and make new code conform it than have nothing
18:54 < shadow__> what about comments?
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I quite like 1 line c++ //
18:54 < shadow__> msvs guys would be reeeealllly happy if it was in doxy or xml format ;)
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> more than 1 line /* c style block\n * with aligned stars */
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> but xml stuff really sucks balls when reading outside of msvc :P
18:55 < shadow__> I mean comments in .h files
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the modern doxy annotations aren't terrrible though, so they may be a good compromise
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18:56 < shadow__> I see that physfs is documented that way
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19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe I should just suck it up and get the codebase a little more consistent before looking at the next shiny feature...
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19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> And that code style doc is a decent start, but could do with some updating / tweaks
19:09 < Keise> went through the doc and it looks good
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I want to start using exceptions in a few more places too
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> specifically 'init/allocation failed'
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> caus there are a few places where it will currently silently crash/continue on corrupting everything...
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> It's already used in serialization failed, but that's more due to simplicity of passing error data up the stack ;)
19:11 < Keise> bright idea
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Generally I want to get across 'New features aren't scary!"
19:12 < Keise> although I don't want to see Java-style exceptions in every function :P
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> try { x++ } catch (OverFlowException &e) {....}
19:14 < shadow__> speaking about serialization
19:14 < shadow__> is there way to autoserialize stuff to xml?
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> the gamestate, yes
19:15 < shadow__> I think about save manifests
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> if you add a new member to something in GameState you'll have to modify game/state/gamestate_serialize.cpp manually
19:15 < shadow__> so not that automatic ;)
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> no, it can't introspect all class members...
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I was looking at that, but most solutions seem even worse...
19:20 < shadow__> are heavy constructors ok?
19:20 < shadow__> like hitting filesystem and doing stuff?
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> hence me saying you kinda _need_ exceptions for constructors that can fail
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I hate having 'invalid' objects until you call some magic init()
19:21 < shadow__> I am used to light constructors, but sometimes laziness wins ;)
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus when ever are you going to construct something and not init it? MAy as well make it one call
19:22 < shadow__> ye, but you may init on demand
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> That just means it fails sometime later when you can't handle it :)
19:22 < shadow__> ach damn you can't do it easly in c++ I guess
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I doubt there are many 'heavyweight' objects around
19:23 < shadow__> I have class that reads metadata of all saves that it can find
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> most 'large' resources probably should go through the Data class anyway
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, something like that makes sense creating the dentry in the constructor
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> (and maybe an interator-like interface to loop through saves? Then read the metadata when interating to each file?)
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> meh, I don't design stuff
19:24 < shadow__> It throws back reference to vector
19:24 < shadow__> is that ok?
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> My 'day job' is more embedded stuff
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> If it doesn't need to keep around state how about just a function that returns a straight vector?
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> like a vector<SaveInfo>; class SaveInfo{UString name; boost::filesystem::path path; UString dateModified;}
19:26 < shadow__> atm it does but can be refactored out
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> If something removes the file after the enumeration but before loadGame(path)
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> it's proably OK to fail and go back to the save menu :)
19:27 < shadow__> how to store date?
19:27 < shadow__> I have timestamp atm
19:28 < shadow__> not sure how to do it correctly
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> A string is probably ok for that?
19:28 < shadow__> ye, but string does not keep timezones
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I bet some localisation people would get annoying by that though...
19:29 < shadow__> (sorry corporate skew) :_
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe unix time and boost::locale probably has some 'date formatting' thingie for the 'local PC timezone/date format'?
19:29 < shadow__> I;ll check it
19:29 < shadow__> atm i'm using std fucntion
19:30 < shadow__> gotta check if it uses locale
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> We only use the boost stuff for what the std library lacks
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> like gettext integration...
19:31 < shadow__> btw, we use pch?
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't, 'caus it doesn't work the same way on linux
19:32 < shadow__> O_O
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Meh, I suppose it's a bit of a gain:
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> 47 full rebuild w/pch
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> 1m4 for no pch
19:44 < shadow__> och
19:44 < shadow__> I was just curious
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20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> the fastest I can get a full rebuild is ~25 seconds...
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> that's using the system physfs, boost and tinyxml2 though
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> so saves a bit relative to windows 'from scratch'
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20:10 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] ShadowDancer opened pull request #74: Reloading forms at runtime (master...form_live_reload) https://git.io/vKuHE
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20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll pass that over to our code review team
20:12  * JonnyH`Work puts on 'code review team' hat
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm... interesting
20:13 < shadow__> that's not pull request that we were talking about ;)
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW that crashed if you click reload with no forms selected :)
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> probably add a if(currentSelected == nullptr) ignore the event or something
20:19 < shadow__> och
20:19 < shadow__> >.>
20:19 < shadow__> It crashes also if xml is invalid
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, that formpreview.cpp is kinda a mess...
20:19 < shadow__> but I do not really know how to deal with it
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> if (currentSelectedControl == nullptr) {} else {}
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> worlds most useful code there :p
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> ..throw an exception?
20:20 < shadow__> nono
20:20 < shadow__> well
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Or can't you easily test for that? :P
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> If the data files can't be loaded
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> it's kinda a failure event anyway
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> LogError() was designed for stuff like that
20:20 < shadow__> ok i'll check it
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> "Something weird has happened so that we can no longer really continue playing the game"
20:22 < shadow__> ach I recall
20:22 < shadow__> GetForm reads form from map
20:22 < shadow__> is it worth to nullcheck there or better crash?
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> probably a check in GetForm would be useful
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> if someone typos a form name or something a LogError("Couldn't find form \"%s\"") is probably friendler than SIGSEGV
20:23 < shadow__> It is useful only for that debug form
20:23 < shadow__> because game will probably crash, as noone checks for lack of form
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> even if it then returns nullptr and crashes, at least you got an error dialog telling you why first
20:24 < shadow__> yeach, you're right
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20:32 < shadow__> btw It says that map complexity is logn
20:32 < shadow__> wouldn't it be better to use hashmap or something like that?
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20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> If you have enough forms to care
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> you're probably doing something wrong....
20:46 < shadow__> ye, but I am suprised a bit that such structures are even used
20:47 < shadow__> in c# there are hashmaps everywhere
20:47 < shadow__> literally, haven't seen bst tree there
20:47 < shadow__> and I wonder what's different between these languages
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I'd guess 'caus hashmaps may cause reallocations/rebinning
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> while a b* tree is more predictable?
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> c++ was all about predictable :P
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> and they already had operator<, but no 'standard' std::hash(type) at that time
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> plus the constant cost of recalculating hashes etc. probably means for 'small' N hashmaps are a poor choice
21:02 < shadow__> okay, updated merge with fixes
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> looks good to me
21:10 < shadow__> shall I close it or something?
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Once it passes CI i'll merge and close
21:11 < shadow__> Ok. My first pullrequest ever ;)
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Damn good work for the first :)
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> My first experience trying to use github involved lots of random flailing
21:11 < shadow__> thanks
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21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> right, looks good, merged
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22:45 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] ShadowDancer opened pull request #75: Save screen - gui (master...savemanager) https://git.io/vKzLe
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22:45 < Shadow__> still got that hat?
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I had it somewhere...
22:45  * JonnyH`Work searches desk
22:46 <@JonnyH`Work> game/state/rules/vehicle_type_rules.cpp needs game/state/gamestate.h include sorting
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> and if you use %s in a format string for LogWhatever
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> you need to pass the char* from .c_str()
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> not the UString itself
22:48 < Shadow__> ye learned that hard way
22:48 < Shadow__> may be some lurking though
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> OpenApoc/forms/control.cpp:558
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> and OpenApoc/forms/control.cpp:523
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll add that to the todo list
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> We really shouldn't be using c-style varargs in the Log* functions
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> but instead the templated version from boost::Format
22:49 < Shadow__> I am a bit disappointed that template engine can't deal with it
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> The problem is the logger uses the C functions (vsnprintf etc.)
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> and adding 'custom types' to that is a massive pain
22:50 < Shadow__> damn you, c
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> *shakes fist*
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> You also need to add the files to the CMakeLists.txt
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> but I can do that as a follow-up
22:52 < Shadow__> to verify that I need cmake?
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and #includes are case-sensitive (so no #include "SaveMenu.h"
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Or setup travis-ci
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> that uses cmake
22:52 < Shadow__> ow
22:52 < Shadow__> on windows they're not, sorry :)
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> goto travis-ci.org
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> sign in using your github account
22:53 < Shadow__> ok
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> enable your openapoc fork in the 'my repositories' list
22:53 < Shadow__> got it already, just builds forever
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, ~5-7mins per build isn't ideal...
22:53 < Shadow__> och no
22:53 < Shadow__> interface got stuck, I guess I had web outage
22:53 < Shadow__> >.>
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW I suspect the SaveManager code probably should be under the GameState project, not GameUI?
22:55 < Shadow__> Well I don't really know what GameState is
22:55 < Shadow__> I mean project, sec
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> localtime_s appears to be a msvc extension / c11 feature (not 'standard' c++11?)
22:55 < Shadow__> ye maybe
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I probably should write docs on that :P
22:55 < Shadow__> wait what
22:55 < Shadow__> are you talking about now?
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> The goal is the gamestate should be the game 'simulation' code
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> 'only' the ui should go into game/ui
22:56 < Shadow__> wait
22:56 < Shadow__> ach ok
22:57 < Shadow__> ye, I recall that ms made lots of _s functions
22:57 < Shadow__> i'll check what the hell is that
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, the linux guys went a slightly different way with their 'safer' versions
22:57 < Shadow__> you mean?
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> snprintf instead of sprintf_s
22:58 < Shadow__> och, I just rely so much on ide telling me quirks
22:58 < Shadow__> because I don't really know language
22:59 < Shadow__> it told me to make localtime_s so I did :D
22:59 < Shadow__> savegame manager is coupled with ui a bit
22:59 <@JonnyH`Work> It looks like the _s version is the reentrant version
22:59 <@JonnyH`Work> which might be localtime_r on linux?
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> there's probably a c++ version in <chrono> we probably should use anyway, not the c library versions
23:00 < Shadow__> ye, looks like that's similar
23:01 < Shadow__> something like std::localtime?
23:01 < Shadow__> och
23:01 < Shadow__> it is there
23:01 < Shadow__> ye
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23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> system_clock::now.time_since_epoch()?
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that what we 'want'?
23:04 < Shadow__> Not sure.
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure how you're meant to 'stringify' that using the c++ library...
23:05 < Shadow__> It is used to parse timestamp to string
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> probably the iostream stuff then, is there an operator<<(time_point&)?
23:06 < Shadow__> nope, but this is operator<<(tm&)?
23:06 < Shadow__> i mean i am doig something like time_t >> tm >> stream
23:06 < Shadow__> because stream cannot be feed with time_t directly, and localtime converts time_t to tm
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> boost::locale::date_time might be the best way...
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> We already import boost::locale, so may as well use it :)
23:07 < Shadow__> ok
23:08 < Shadow__> savemanager is in game ui
23:08 < Shadow__> because it is coupled with stage
23:08 < Shadow__> so you may do something like load quick save without save menu
23:09 < Shadow__> and you need game ui to load game anyway
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I didn't mean to say 'It must be in GameState"
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> more "There's probably a reason it's not already" :P
23:10 < Shadow__> I think it is not worth to split it, no real benefit
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I kinda see it as "If I (god forbid) made a text mode apoc interface, what parts will be shared?)
23:11 < Shadow__> well, there may be eventually problems with mods
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a bit of a gray area, as the 'GameState' mostly deals in persistent (saved) state and game logic
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> While this is "game" stuff, while not *really* being UI, or game logic
23:12 < Shadow__> ye
23:13 < Shadow__> dealing with it will be rather simple
23:13 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, looks like the args for localtime are reversed anyway?
23:13 <@JonnyH`Work> or is that a difference between _r and _s...
23:13 < Shadow__> ?
23:15 <@JonnyH`Work> gcc errored out as it expected the 'struct time_t *' first and the 'struct tm*' second
23:15 < Shadow__> ye, looks like
23:15 < Shadow__> i mean
23:15 < Shadow__> cppreference says so
23:15 < Shadow__> well need to get rid of it
23:15 < Shadow__> apparently ms implementation has swapped arguments
23:16 <@JonnyH`Work> heh, crazy msvc extension version didn't even use the c11 args?
23:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I thought they were importing c11 for c++17...
23:16 <@JonnyH`Work> wonder what they'll do with 2 functions with the same name and different args
23:16 < Shadow__> lol
23:16 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's the C api, no polymorphism
23:17 < Shadow__> they are so fkd up
23:17 < Shadow__> that well
23:17 < Shadow__> lmao
23:19 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/6bfb4ba09f0b0f2f5078d3315b56e92b0b24f544
23:19 <@JonnyH`Work> that builds & runs here
23:19 <@JonnyH`Work> though as it's not really testing half the functionality until we get the save metadata stuff wired up :)
23:19 <@JonnyH`Work> And I doubt that'll work on windows, as I just used localtime_r
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> ...is there any way I can push that to 'your' pull request or something?
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't really know much about github :P
23:20 < Shadow__> i guess that you have to fork my repo :D
23:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, you could pull that branch to yours?
23:21 < Shadow__> ye, doing so
23:21 < Shadow__> but confusing a bit
23:24 <@JonnyH`Work> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/JonnyH/openapoc-ufjne/build/ShadowDancer/savemanager-0.0.794
23:24 <@JonnyH`Work> bah, so msvc doesn't have a localtime_r
23:25 <@JonnyH`Work> They silently added some c99 stuff in printf ('z' as a size specifier for size_t, the docs explicity say "NOT SUPPORTED" but the 2015 warnings suggest it, and it seems to work :)
23:26 <@JonnyH`Work> I whine about it but certainly recently msvc seems to be adding a lot of useful stuff
23:28 <@JonnyH`Work> https://travis-ci.org/JonnyH/OpenApoc/jobs/145140431#L1596
23:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Bah, the old c++ library ubuntu uses with clang bites again...
23:28 < Shadow__> ok managed to merge that
23:29 < Shadow__> what
23:29 <@JonnyH`Work> for now you could probably do #ifdef _POSIX_C_SOURCE localtime_r() #else localtime_s() #endif
23:29 <@JonnyH`Work> ignore it, ubuntu does Weird Stuff
23:30 < Shadow__> Maybe use boost?
23:30 < Shadow__> It must be there, it's boost after all
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> no need to workaround for broken compiler versions
23:32 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll fix it by pulling in a new libc++ or something
23:32 <@JonnyH`Work> if gcc builds you're all good
23:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I won't merge it for now until we've got a version that works on both linux & windows...
23:37 <@JonnyH`Work> through boost or something
23:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, I'm going to go home, so I'll be back on a bit later :)
23:38 < Shadow__> ok
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23:38 < Shadow__> cya
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18:28 < Shadow__> Hi Jonny
18:29 <@JonnyH> hey
18:30 <@JonnyH> Right.. what did I promise to do for the saves?
18:30 < Shadow__> I've done it already
18:30 < Shadow__> just having problems with physfs
18:30 <@JonnyH> Oh?
18:31 < Shadow__> Well I extended SerializationArchive with method to load only selected files from zip
18:31 < Shadow__> https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/pull/75/commits/e5c46b4fc4ffe4eaf06e7cb0be3fd07aa010a999
18:33 < Shadow__> but I think that I should not use physfs for loading games
18:33 < Shadow__> because zip loading module uses absolute paths, and physfs does its magic
18:33 < Shadow__> therefore I have conflict, because one needs /data/saves/savegame.zip, and the other /saves/savegame.zip
18:40 <@JonnyH> Huh, does physfs work if you don't mount the zip?
18:40 < Shadow__> what you mean by mount the zip>
18:40 <@JonnyH> IE does loading "path/to/file.zip/path' automatically open 'file.zip' and look for 'path'?
18:40 < Shadow__> I think nope
18:41 < Shadow__> should it>
18:41 <@JonnyH> Maybe the Metadata is something we should add to the SerializationArchive directly...
18:41 < Shadow__> ye it is
18:41 < Shadow__> i'm doing that
18:41 < Shadow__> I mean atm archive contains gamestate, openapoc_maninfest, and save_manifest
18:42 < Shadow__> .xml
18:42 < Shadow__> maybe not atm, because not commited :)
18:43 <@JonnyH> IE instead of 'readArchive()' and 'readArchivePartly()'
18:43 <@JonnyH> SerializationArchive defers reading to getRoot()
18:44 <@JonnyH> and readArchive 'only' reads and checks the metadata?
18:44 < Shadow__> great idea
18:44 < Shadow__> hope that it won't backfire in future
18:45 < Shadow__> okay, but how to deal with physfs
18:46 < Shadow__> serialization archive does not use it
18:46 <@JonnyH> so: SerializationArchive has a 'SaveMetadata' member (that's filled out at readArchive() time?)
18:46 <@JonnyH> and createArchive() takes a SaveMetadata param for new saves?
18:46 < Shadow__> ewww I plan to do it like
18:46 < Shadow__> save manager creates archive
18:46 < Shadow__> then adds save metadata
18:46 < Shadow__> then adds gamestate
18:47 < Shadow__> then writes archive
18:47 <@JonnyH> I want to merge the openapoc_manifest and save_manifest if possible?
18:47 <@JonnyH> So it can only write the manifest when the data is complete for the checksums?
18:48 < Shadow__> Ye, but I'd like to put checksums in additional element
18:48 < Shadow__> so it's not mixed up with everything
18:48 <@JonnyH> BTW I'm just bouncing around ideas, don't consider these 'perfectly thought out' :P
18:48 < Shadow__> also atm there is no openapoc in zip, so I just added new file
18:49 < Shadow__> also one more thing - there is game time in gamestate.xml, that I need to read to get saveMetadata
18:49 < Shadow__> so maybe merge save metadata with gamestate.xml?
18:49 < Shadow__> I think that this is better way?
18:49 <@JonnyH> hmm// that would interact with the SerializeIn/SerializeOut stuff
18:49 <@JonnyH> Maybe just keeping a 'copy' in the save metadata isn't too bad :)
18:49 < Shadow__> yeach
18:50 < Shadow__> ach also atm openapoc is handled by serializationArchive
18:50 < Shadow__> while gamestate and save manifest are handled above it
18:50 < Shadow__> I mean on another level of abstraction
18:51 < Shadow__> I hope you got what I mean ;)
18:51 <@JonnyH> Should it though?
18:51 <@JonnyH> I dislike 'hard coding' xml parsing in the state directly
18:51 < Shadow__> I think it's not bad as it is
18:51 <@JonnyH> That's a 'framework' specific thingie
18:52 <@JonnyH> Yeah, these are always discussions on what is 'less bad' :P
18:52 < Shadow__> I see it as openapoc being internal serializationArchive mechanic
18:52 < Shadow__> to verify file integrity
18:52 < Shadow__> and I think this is good (maybe name is unfortunate)
18:52 <@JonnyH> yeah, maybe rename it
18:53 < Shadow__> while application layer above uses other stuff
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18:58 <@JonnyH> One problem with physfs is it's all 'global' state...
18:59 <@JonnyH> It would be nice if you had some kind of context you could pass around
18:59 <@JonnyH> so the 'save' could have a different fs state to the other stuff..
18:59 < Shadow__> ye, that's terrible
18:59 <@JonnyH> It's a rather 'old-school' api
18:59 <@JonnyH> A couple of times I've thought I could improve it
18:59 < Shadow__> life is too short for writing libraries ;)
18:59 <@JonnyH> But then that would be even more distracting from openapoc :)
19:01 < Shadow__> also I think of removing extensions from archive
19:01 < Shadow__> so instead of readDir then readPack it would check if it is file and then upack eventually
19:01 < Shadow__> what you think?
19:02 < Shadow__> I mean unpack to memory :)
19:02 <@JonnyH> We could make 'readArchive' just check it's a valid zip w/metadata.zip or wherever?
19:02 < Shadow__> ye exacly
19:02 <@JonnyH> and we could use that to see if a file is a valid save?
19:03 <@JonnyH> And defer the 'unpack everyhting' to getRoot()?
19:03 < Shadow__> i changed extension from .zip to .save (for directory listing)
19:04 < Shadow__> and I treat everything with .save as valid save file
19:04 <@JonnyH> At least until you try to open it and realise it's not a valid zip or something, but that's the user's problem :)
19:05 < Shadow__> ye
19:05 < Shadow__> I thought that it's better to let loading files without manifests so you may just drop existing saves to save directory and it will work
19:06 < Shadow__> ok then, what to do with these freaking io libraries?
19:06 <@JonnyH> the manifests should be packed 'inside' right?
19:06 < Shadow__> ye
19:06 <@JonnyH> They're only excluded from the 'packed' version for now as I was lazy :)
19:11 < Shadow__> blah in this freaking c
19:11 < Shadow__> ++
19:11 < Shadow__> everything is so hard to do
19:11 < Shadow__> even checking if dir exists requires 3rd party library, wtf
19:18 <@JonnyH> boost::filesystem is the best bet
19:18 < Shadow__> ye but it's boost
19:18 <@JonnyH> It's actually available in the 'upcoming c++ standard'
19:18 <@JonnyH> and in both msvc2015 and the newest gcc
19:19 <@JonnyH> so we probably *could* just use that... :P
19:19 < Shadow__> yeach
19:19 < Shadow__> so you are telling me that microsft implemented bash in windows before std implemented files
19:20 < Shadow__> kinda tragic :D
19:20 <@JonnyH> Yup, it's a c++17 planned feature :P
19:20 <@JonnyH> But then again MSVC implemneted bash in windows before msvc supports all of c++11 too...
19:20 < Shadow__> ye
19:20 < Shadow__> recently they're pushing for c++ because of mobiles though
19:21 < Shadow__> before who cared about c++ in ms ;)
19:22 <@JonnyH> I think they recently realised that for all the fancy new javascript/xaml/whatever stuff
19:22 <@JonnyH> their core is still c++, and will remain like that for some time
19:23 < Shadow__> Windows mobile
19:23 <@JonnyH> dead :)
19:23 < Shadow__> not really
19:23 <@JonnyH> and they were pushing c# as the 'only' language for it
19:23 < Shadow__> nope
19:23 <@JonnyH> They're putting 'full fat' windows on tablets etc.
19:23 <@JonnyH> but that's a different codebase to 'windows mobile' (and different groups so different priorities etc.)
19:24 < Shadow__> you may make apps in html/javascript and c++
19:24 < Shadow__> for windows mobile
19:24 <@JonnyH> I think half the problem at ms is the groups don't seem to talk to each other :P
19:24 < Shadow__> maybe
19:24 <@JonnyH> The guys working on 'core' .net don't know what the desktop people want from them etc.
19:25 < Shadow__> you mean?
19:25 <@JonnyH> I only had experience from the mobile side of things due to my job
19:25 < Shadow__> "universal apps"?
19:25 <@JonnyH> I mean there's no single 'vision' for where ms want to be in a couple of years :)
19:26 < Shadow__> och I think that they have very clear vision
19:26 < Shadow__> I saw it first when I made simple application what works on desktop, surface, my phone and raspberry pi without any code changes ;)
19:26 <@JonnyH> but they weren't sure if that app is written in .net, javascript, c++, uwp...
19:27 < Shadow__> well you may write universal apps in javascript, .net and c++
19:27 <@JonnyH> And they're pissing off a lot of their 'core' business ('enterprise' apps) by saying the 'next big thing' is going to be bigger than is ends up being
19:28 < Shadow__> hard to say from my perspective
19:28 <@JonnyH> Yeah, again I have a very skewed view from my perspective too :)
19:28 < Shadow__> I work in web and they made really big and awesome stuff there
19:29 < Shadow__> idk what happens in enterprise bussiness
19:29 <@JonnyH> I work on embedded gpu drivers and they do some really small and terrible stuff there :)
19:29 < Shadow__> they changed a lot though
19:30 <@JonnyH> yup, that's a problem in embedded though
19:30 < Shadow__> I wouldn't imagine that I will write app in aspnet that can run on raspberry pi year ago
19:30 <@JonnyH> We literally "can't keep up" with their changes in the mobile space WRT driver models etc.
19:30 < Shadow__> ye, they made hurricane there
19:30 <@JonnyH> It's a laudable goal to say 'the same driver api for desktop and mobile!'
19:30 < Shadow__> I think that they know where are they going though
19:31 <@JonnyH> but the details of that ended up meaning it all had to be pretty much rewritten anyway
19:31 <@JonnyH> and then they changed their minds again half way through the project...
19:31 <@JonnyH> And that's when windows mobile dropped down to <1% of the market so we kinda stopped caring ;)
19:31 < Shadow__> maybe they have  bunglers in embedded dept ;_
19:31 <@JonnyH> I suspect it was 'politics'
19:32 <@JonnyH> Like a fight between the 'old' windows mobile team and the 'windows desktop' team trying to make everything the same
19:32 < Shadow__> they prepared it for years
19:33 < Shadow__> hope they won't fail, because tooling for universal apps is truly awesome ;)
19:34 <@JonnyH> possibly, but I'm probably a bit jaded having seen lots of 'truely awesome new things' come and go...
19:34 <@JonnyH> As I said, I happen to be in the market they kinda obviously screwed up with though ;)
19:34 < Shadow__> Well it is awesome already
19:34 <@JonnyH> Cool, that's an infinite amount more experience with that than I have ;)
19:35 <@JonnyH> This might be the one that sticks
19:35 < Shadow__> ye, I wonder how they will recover from windows phone failure
19:35 < Shadow__> they kinda have awesome technology, but no customer
19:36 < Shadow__> we'll see how they end up
19:38 < Shadow__> so what about those filesystems? ;)
19:39 <@JonnyH> I guess you'll have to use a mz_zip_reader api that allows you to hook the read commands
19:39 <@JonnyH> Or provide the memory buffer directly
19:39 <@JonnyH> "mz_zip_reader_init_file" just uses the c fopen etc. IIRC
19:39 < Shadow__> I did it already
19:39 <@JonnyH> so won't actually use physfs
19:40 < Shadow__> I just need to get rid of physfs enumerate directory
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19:40 <@JonnyH> Maybe give me a few months to write something 'like' physfs, but with a better api and contexts :P
19:40 < Shadow__> shall I use boost filesystem?
19:40 <@JonnyH> I think boost filesystem is the best choice here
19:41 <@JonnyH> As I said, it's (pretty much) the api that will be the standard
19:41 <@JonnyH> so then we could drop boost and just use that
19:41 < Shadow__> okay
19:41 <@JonnyH> but we already have boost_filesystem as a dependency today, so not so bad
19:44 < Shadow__> so serializationArchive will keep file open until it is destructed, to read xmls on demand
19:44 < Shadow__> or it should read em all, just not parse?
19:44 <@JonnyH> Yeah, keep it open and read on demand
19:44 <@JonnyH> It might end up containing resources that aren't xml?
19:45 <@JonnyH> like images etc. for mods
19:45 < Shadow__> idk
19:45 < Shadow__> ye I guess
19:45 < Shadow__> maybe image of saved game?
19:45 <@JonnyH> I'm currently usign the same 'serializationArchive' to do mods
19:46 <@JonnyH> (currently the only 'mod' is the base, but you can overlay them by loading multiple into the same gamestate)
19:46 < Shadow__> hmm how you want to organize mods?
19:46 < Shadow__> just reading xml resources?
19:46 <@JonnyH> Not sure yet, 
19:47 < Shadow__> can I make mod what increases megapol armor weight by 2?
19:47 <@JonnyH> Maybe in the manifest it'll have an 'xml'seciton, then a 'resource' section or something...
19:47 <@JonnyH> Yeah, you can do that today
19:47 < Shadow__> I mean without redefining whole armor
19:48 <@JonnyH> sure, see the 'common patch'
19:48 <@JonnyH> for example, it adds some data to the facility_types without redefining everything
19:48 <@JonnyH> all maps with a 'key' that match only override specified nodes
19:48 <@JonnyH> if you don't have the node it won't change it
19:49 <@JonnyH> While we don't have agent equipment implemneted yet, I don't see why that shouldn't be different
19:50 < Shadow__> I mean
19:50 < Shadow__> because I see that difficulties just redefine everything
19:51 < Shadow__> for instance each difficulty has organisation allien with balance 5000 and income 1000
19:51 < Shadow__> shouldn't be there core mod having that
19:52 < Shadow__> and for instance hardest difficulty having balance 6000 etc?
19:52 <@JonnyH> That's more 'caus that data happens to be generated that way
19:52 < Shadow__> och ok
19:53 <@JonnyH> It could be implemented as a 'core' game, then the differences of the difficilties as 'mods' on top of that
19:53 < Shadow__> ye
19:53 < Shadow__> sc2 does it that way
19:53 < Shadow__> you have core mod, then you may add any dependencies
19:53 < Shadow__> that override each other
19:54 <@JonnyH> Sure, but as the 'core' mod happens to be autogenerated at this time
19:54 < Shadow__> ok, looks good then
19:54 <@JonnyH> it just happens to generate it ince for each difficulty
19:54 <@JonnyH> no technical reason why it couldn't be re-orged if that is a better fit
19:55 <@JonnyH> but the vast majority of the data in the data so far (we don't have the full gamestate yet so expect more to some)
19:55 <@JonnyH> is the city map - which is different for each difficulty
19:55 < Shadow__> how is map defined?
19:55 <@JonnyH> through some really nasty xml:
19:56 < Shadow__> have you thought about using some ready editor?
19:56 < Shadow__> like tiled?
19:56 < Shadow__> or whatever
19:56 < Shadow__> so other pple may extend it easly?
19:56 <@JonnyH> Well, we actually read the 'original' game maps (in tools/extractors)
19:56 <@JonnyH> that then generates the xml from a map that tiled can edit
19:56 < Shadow__> great
19:57 <@JonnyH> but we wanted to add more data to the map than the original file format allowed
19:58 <@JonnyH> the only reason we check-in the generated xml instead of reading the source every startup
19:58 <@JonnyH> is it requires a specific binary xcom apoc executable & data files
19:58 <@JonnyH> so if someone got a different language version / different patch it'll all break
19:58 <@JonnyH> as a lot of the data is packed into the .exe directly
19:58 < Shadow__> hmm
19:58 < Shadow__> that sucks
19:59 <@JonnyH> It does mean that we're never going to be able to 'import' original apoc save files or anything
19:59 <@JonnyH> The internal structures are just too different
20:07 < Shadow__> btw how do I handle contracts in c++
20:07 <@JonnyH> contracts?
20:07 < Shadow__> I want to have contract ISerializationDataProvider that can get list of files and get file contents
20:08 < Shadow__> and then ZipDataProvider and DirectoryDataProfider
20:08 <@JonnyH> 'pure virtual functions' are functions that inheriting classes must implement (else it's an error)
20:08 < Shadow__> so abstract class?
20:08 <@JonnyH> yup
20:09 < Shadow__> what't naming convention?
20:09 < Shadow__> ISomething?
20:09 <@JonnyH> SameAsAnyOtherClass
20:09 < Shadow__> or
20:09 < Shadow__> ow
20:10 <@JonnyH> c++ classes pretty much always have *some* associated code (even if it's just a generated virtual destructor)
20:10 <@JonnyH> hence there's not really an 'interface-only' object?
20:12 < Shadow__> hmm each "implementation
20:12 < Shadow__> "
20:12 < Shadow__> needs header file, or just forward declaration in interfaced class is ok?
20:12 < Shadow__> or maybe it's better to not do such things?
20:13 <@JonnyH> If they're implementations that are completely private they don't need to be defined in a header
20:13 < Shadow__> hmm, but how abstract class will instantiate them
20:14 <@JonnyH> have a static function in the 'interface' class to return a new instanciated object?
20:14 < Shadow__> ok i'll check it
20:14 < Shadow__> thanks
20:15 <@JonnyH> Again, if you know a better way of doing things give it a go
20:15 <@JonnyH> I just have an allergic reaction to IInterfaceAdaptorInterfaceFactoryFactory
20:16 < Shadow__> bah
20:16 < Shadow__> i'll try to keep things simple ;)
20:16 <@JonnyH> :)
20:16 < Shadow__> however I've personally written names 50 characters longs
20:16 < Shadow__> and it wasn't that bad I think
20:17 <@JonnyH> Realistically, if there's only ever going to be a single implemnetation an 'abstract class' only makes sense if the concrete one has lots of private data you don't wnat to pollute the header with
20:17 <@JonnyH> The reason why I did the serilizationNode at the time is some people dislike xml and wanted to try something like json
20:17 <@JonnyH> but it turned out they didn't care enough to actually write code :)
20:18 < Shadow__> :D
20:18 < Shadow__> anyway I think xml wins over json in configuration stuff
20:18 < Shadow__> by knockout
20:18 <@JonnyH> I think pretty much all markup languages suck donkey balls
20:18 < Shadow__> so what you propose?
20:18 <@JonnyH> and arguing about which is 'slightly less worse' is pointless
20:19 <@JonnyH> we already had xml, and nothing was 'clearly better' enough to be worth the transition
20:20 <@JonnyH> I've gotta run for a bit
20:20 <@JonnyH> I might be on later, or tomorrow
20:20 < Shadow__>  cya
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23:51 < Keise> you recharge shield 15 to 60 times faster than it should be :P
23:52 < Keise> it actually works on percentage
23:52 < Keise> updating it now
23:55 < Keise> I've put some extra stuff into 'FlyingVehicleCanEnterTileHelper' and shortened the name a bit since it does more right now
23:55 < Keise> not sure if it's worth forking into stand-alone class still
23:56 < Keise> since it's so tied to vehicle pathfinding
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13:06 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH`Away: Just checked out upstream, tried it on Android and - holy shit it's MUCH faster now!
13:07 < sf{bed_alloc}> also, hi, sorry for being away for so long :(
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13:20 < shadow> hey sf
13:21 < shadow> are you working on android port maybe?
13:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> hey
13:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, kinda sorta yeah
13:24 < sf{bed_alloc}> (I meah, I've been a bit preoccupied lately, but yeah, I'm to blame for it)
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14:02 < Keise> speaking of performance
14:02 < Keise> I profiled it on msvc (where it's ultra slow on debug)
14:03 < Keise> std::map is the biggest problem
14:04 < Keise> comparing UStrings is slow as well
14:05 < Keise> surprisingly the bottleneck was Organization::isRelatedTo()
14:08 < sf{bed_alloc}> Keise: would changing std::map to std::unordered_map help?
14:10 < sf{bed_alloc}> (I'm not familiar with a lot of the code, but I don't think we *need* ordering *that* much)
14:11 < sf{bed_alloc}> (also, might be some weird stuff that msvc does with its "telemetry", maybe that's related?)
14:13 < Keise> have to add a hash function then
14:13 < Keise> but I can check later
14:16 < sf{bed_alloc}> just call the underlying string's hash function? possibly storing the hash value in the UString?
14:21 < Keise> yeah
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21:16 < JonnyH> Hey all
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21:28 < sf{bed_alloc}> Hey JonnyH
21:29 < Skin36> hi
21:31 < Skin36> im figured out mass and strength for tile
21:37 <@JonnyH> Cool
21:37 <@JonnyH> Any idea what mass does?
21:37 <@JonnyH> Fallin damage?
21:37 <@JonnyH> and sf{bed_alloc} - what about the 'newest head' changed since the last time you tried android?
21:38 <@JonnyH> The only thing I expected that to change performance wise was the gles3 renderer, which I thought we had last time you were around?
21:39 < sf{bed_alloc}> apparently there were some changes in the "city update" logic that made things, uh, faster
21:39 <@JonnyH> Interesting...
21:39 < sf{bed_alloc}> though I'm testing on a different device now (which actually has a powervr, yay!)
21:39 <@JonnyH> Oh, the shadow drawing might be faster
21:40 <@JonnyH> at least the 'find where shadows should be' logic
21:40 <@JonnyH> What device?
21:40 < Shadow> Speaking of shadows there not always where they should be
21:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> a zenfone 2 (n4's touchscreen started to die, unfortunately)
21:40 < Shadow> but I hope that u know that ;)
21:41 < sf{bed_alloc}> annnnd it somehow seems to break openxcom (which is not exactly related, but still)
21:41 <@JonnyH> Shadow: If you mean compared to the 'origianl', I know
21:42 < sf{bed_alloc}> apparently it does *not* like window resizing (especially smaller -> larger)
21:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> though it might be a bug in sdl2's gles code, though a trace didn't seem to show any errors (all glGetError() calls returned NO_ERROR)
21:43 <@JonnyH> IIRC the renderer keeps a 'copy' of the viewports you probably need to change if you resize
21:43 <@JonnyH> It might be it re-created the context or something?
21:43 <@JonnyH> Or rebound in a different thread?
21:44 <@JonnyH> IIRC gl* calls just return *nothing* if no context is bound?
21:44 <@JonnyH> Blerg, I caught a cold or something, currently wrapped up in a blanket on the sofa...
21:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> I expected a kind of a crash, to be honest. Instead there's sometimes a thin flickering strip (that might contain the screen data)
21:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> and no crashes :(
21:47 <@JonnyH> the viewport_size is in the default surface
21:47 <@JonnyH> Might need to reset that too....
21:47 <@JonnyH> As that's used for transforms from pixel->screen size
21:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> then again, it's probably a case of a bad rom more than anything else (I'm running "official" cm13, which is probably closer to actual nexii than anything else? except less stable than official roms, I guess)
21:49 < sf{bed_alloc}> so I guess I'm finally writing (again?) a gles2 renderer for oxc, to see if the problem persists
21:49 <@JonnyH> heh, at least the hawk air warrior shadows are screwed up
21:49 <@JonnyH> Looks like the line we draw is 'colliding' with itself
21:49 <@JonnyH> so it always draws the shadow just under the craft...
21:49 < Skin36> Fallin damage , yes
21:50 <@JonnyH> brb, off to the shops
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15:09 < shadow> hello
15:10 <@JonnyH> Hey there
15:10 < shadow> Saving is done so far
15:10 <@JonnyH> Cool :)
15:10 < shadow> only missing part is edit control which doesn't work
15:10 < shadow> textedit
15:10 <@JonnyH> Does it not?
15:10 <@JonnyH> hmm... Where's pmprog when you need him :P
15:10 < shadow> or well I am not sure how to use it
15:11 < shadow> I guess that i'll make issue on github
15:11 <@JonnyH> Sure, if you squash / cleanup the branch I'll merge it
15:11 <@JonnyH> Maybe one checkin for the forms/ fixes you needed
15:11 <@JonnyH> then another adding the SaveManager stuff
15:12 <@JonnyH> then a last with the actual UI?
15:12 < shadow> okay
15:12 <@JonnyH> Or however it naturally splits :P
15:12 < shadow> ach and it is not fast enough
15:12 < shadow> I mean lazy laoding
15:12 <@JonnyH> Per-file lazy loading?
15:13 < shadow> ye
15:13 < shadow> If i have 20 save files it takes few seconds
15:13 <@JonnyH> Maybe instead of 'lazy' make it 'load the manifest' , then 'load everything else'
15:13 < shadow> I guess that it has to do with unpacking zips
15:13 <@JonnyH> Yeah, the minizip code is 'small', not fast
15:14 < shadow> So not sure how I can fix it
15:14 < shadow> would have to split save into manifest and zip
15:14 <@JonnyH> Unpacking a single from a zip shouldn't be a big job
15:14 <@JonnyH> the index in zips allows you to decompress each file independantly...
15:15 < shadow> ok i'll take a look
15:15 <@JonnyH> Maybe make sure it's not doing something weird (like decompressing everything then discarding all but one file)
15:15 < shadow> atm only xml parsing is lazy
15:15 <@JonnyH> IIRC the xml parsing itsn't really that slow
15:15 <@JonnyH> the zip decompression was slower
15:16 <@JonnyH> but the really slow stuff is serializeIn() calls :P
15:16 <@JonnyH> but that's kinda 'lazy' anyway
15:16 < shadow> ye
15:16 < shadow> one more thing
15:16 < shadow> what about wrapping game time in something?
15:17 <@JonnyH> sure, IIRC we probably want to store 'ticks' as the canonical format
15:17 <@JonnyH> then maybe if it's wrapped in a class you can translate that do day/week/hour/whatever as needed
15:17 < shadow> ye, and could share that between saving code and game code
15:18 < shadow> another thing - quick save with F5, F6 - what you think?
15:18 <@JonnyH> Sure, currently I happen to use f5/f6 as screenshot/'debugging voxel view'
15:18 <@JonnyH> so change them in the cityview first
15:19 <@JonnyH> That reminds me, we really need semantic key names...
15:19 <@JonnyH> and allow rebinding
15:19 < shadow> Also what I shall do next?
15:20 <@JonnyH> Anything particularly take your fancy?
15:20 <@JonnyH> You'
15:20 < shadow> I thought that I could augument equipment screen or vehicilies a bit
15:20 <@JonnyH> ...You're doing this for 'fun', I'm not your manager :P
15:20 < shadow> ye, just blah
15:20 < shadow> it's not my project so far : )
15:21 <@JonnyH> Agent equipment screen is a big missing thing too...
15:21 <@JonnyH> Might be a fair overlap with the vehicle equip screen
15:21 < shadow> Ye, I think we could just reuse that
15:21 <@JonnyH> but IIRC some of the agent equipment stats etc. still need to be added to the 'extractor'
15:22 < shadow> I think that there are some good things that can be added to eq screen
15:22 < shadow> for instance right click to equip/unequip something
15:22 < shadow> iie you click on cargo module and it equips it into free slot
15:23 < shadow> and take off everything button
15:25 < shadow> and lastly there are some memory leaks on cityscape
15:26 < shadow> I am not sure how to hunt memory leak in native code >.>
15:26 <@JonnyH> memory leaks in cityscape? I've not noticed anything....
15:26 <@JonnyH> My testing uses valgrind
15:26 <@JonnyH> and gcc's memory sanitizer
15:26 <@JonnyH> they tend to be pretty accurate
15:27 < shadow> After bootup game takes ~150mb of ram
15:27 < shadow> and grows like 0,2 mb/minute
15:27 <@JonnyH> hmm.. Might not be 'leaks'
15:27 < shadow> on my machine it was using 240 mb after some time
15:27 <@JonnyH> but objects that still have a reference somewhere
15:28 < shadow> well that's definition of memory leak in managed world ;)
15:28 <@JonnyH> I've not noticed anything growing in massif
15:28 < shadow> maybe not massive, but it is there
15:28 < shadow> just sayin
15:28 <@JonnyH> but I'll set a trace running (unfortunately, it's very accurate, but slows the game down a fair bit so it's more difficult to notice 'long' running leaks
15:29 <@JonnyH> It might not be a leak
15:29 <@JonnyH> but it pulls in graphics tiles into video ram at first-draw
15:29 <@JonnyH> so if you scroll around the map you expect memory use to increase slightly
15:29 <@JonnyH> Until all tiles are in video memory, then it'll stop
15:29 < shadow> nah
15:29 < shadow> I just left game open for few hours
15:30 < shadow> it was growing without moving anything
15:30 <@JonnyH> no interaction? Interesting...
15:30 <@JonnyH> I've gotta run for a meeting
15:30 < shadow> cya
15:30 <@JonnyH> I might leave a heap profiler going for a while and see if anything is obvious
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16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, I've set a profile run going
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll give it ~30 mins and see what's going on
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16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> this is linux though, so there might be platform differences
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> :(
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19:22 < pmprog_laptop> Mornink
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> g'day
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Been an interesting week w/a couple of devs showing up
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Shadow has been poking around your forms stuff too
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC her has an open pull request
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> If you have a few mins it would be lovely if you could eyeball the forms stuff in that
19:25 < Shadow> hi
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Though I'll probably try to rebase/squash the commit history a bit before merging
19:27 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, seen a few new names in the git pulls. :)
19:27 < Skin36> hi
19:27 < Shadow> looks like SupSuper broke textedit when porting to sdlinput
19:27 < pmprog_laptop> Hi Shadow & Skin36
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> And I'll be on holiday from Thurs
19:27 < Shadow> hello
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> so not sure how much time I'll get to work on things...
19:27 < Shadow> btw, i'll squash myself (adding that time)
19:28 < pmprog_laptop> Do you know which commits I need to look at for the forms?
19:28 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-6tfn6TN7M/
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> It might end up being a 'lot' after a couple of days back with my parents, hiding behind my laptop :p
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Skin36: Running on an nvidia card? :P
19:28 < Skin36> yes
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> The problem is I can't even do if (GL_VENDOR=="nvidia") doEverythingUpsideDown()
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> as different driver versions/hw versions don't show that :(
19:29 < Shadow> pmprog: you want to see my changes or see textedit problem?
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Try renaming the .exe 'quake3.exe' :P
19:29 < Skin36> Why is that nothing has changed since leaving Allegro
19:29 < pmprog_laptop> Re: mirrored graphics - - Can we not add it as a setting saved in the file?
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Skin36: It's part of the GL driver
19:29 < pmprog_laptop> Maybe a commandline switch too?
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: Yeah, we could add a "my_graphics_driver_sucks=true" :P
19:30 < pmprog_laptop> Shadow: what's the textedit problem?
19:30 < Shadow> doesn
19:30 < Shadow> doesn't work at all onclick event sets editing = true and editing = false in single event.
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC you can already set any Settings option on the cmdline, anything not recognised as a '--option' is parsed as 'key=value'
19:30 < pmprog_laptop> JonnyH`Work: well, maybe just "invert_display=true" ;)
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> ./OpenApoc should_have_got_a_radeon=true
19:31 < Shadow> commit 7e471c0a
19:32 < pmprog_laptop> Okay, let me check against my old code
19:32 < Shadow> https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/commit/7e471c0a
19:33 < Shadow> I am not sure if it used to work before
19:35 < pmprog_laptop> https://github.com/ShadowDancer/OpenApoc/blob/509ac6dfe1c729add4ee350a0d9fd8bda51a64c9/forms/textedit.cpp#L40
19:35 < pmprog_laptop> On that line, you could get away with a "return;"
19:36 < pmprog_laptop> Once you've established that you're starting input mode, that's the event "handled", so you don't need to process any more
19:36 < Shadow> tried it, doesn't help
19:36 < pmprog_laptop> Really? Do you know why not?
19:36 < Shadow> but wait a sec, i'll confirm
19:36 < Shadow> yeach, that's the point where it gets hard :)
19:37 < Shadow> if I know i'd fix myself
19:37 < pmprog_laptop> Urm, can I ask why the Handled flag isn't being set as True?
19:37 < pmprog_laptop> Why is that line commnted out?
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19:38 < pmprog_laptop> If just returning doesn't work, re-enable that line that sets Handled to true, and that should fix it
19:38 < pmprog_laptop> The code is certainly quite different from my original
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Quick, blame someone else! :P
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably me...
19:38 < Shadow> :D
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC there was some issues with the event 'handling' stuff due to overlapping 'Forms'
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> It might have been a hack to do that which had unintended consequences...
19:39 < pmprog_laptop> I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just saying I'm not 100% sure on the fix, as it's a fair bit different from what I wrote
19:40 < pmprog_laptop> That said, I understand the theory, so I think my fix should work
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect as we don't really have many text edit controls handing around at this point
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> it's possible we 'fixed' something else and never tested the edit control...
19:41 < Shadow> ye, return and handles doesn't help
19:42 < pmprog_laptop> Hmmm, maybe I need to properly get back involved with the code
19:42 < Shadow> looks like control isn't getting keyup events
19:42 < Shadow> I am not familiar with that sdl input ;?
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: we can't be trusted to look after this stuff
19:43 < pmprog_laptop> Well, it was originally written with Allegro's input, so I have no idea either, but I'm sure we can figure it out
19:44 < pmprog_laptop> Does OpenApoc build SDL2 and whatnot like it used to do with Allegro?
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> not any more
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> sdl2 is not used from the distro
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> as we don't require a 'pre-release' verison
19:44 < Shadow> btw, why moved away from allegro?
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> It didn't allow us to write our own GL renderer (easily)
19:45 < pmprog_laptop> Bah, still getting cmake version warnings :(
19:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> maybe there also was someone who liked androids involved :p
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> off, nobody *likes* android...
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> some people tolerate it however
19:46 < pmprog_laptop> lol
19:46 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, "liked" in a weird sense
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> some crazy mix of stockholm syndrome and masochism
19:46 < Shadow> lol
19:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> so yeah, at the time sdl was better suited for androids than allegro
19:48 < sf{bed_alloc}> (to be fair, allegro did have a fair bit of code re: android, but it required jumping through hoops to get it working, like having a standalone toolchain to produce a .so for ONE abi)
19:48 < sf{bed_alloc}> (and android technically has SEVEN of the damn things)
19:49 < pmprog_laptop> It's a shame, because I still prefer Allegro over SDL, but as I wasn't contributing much, I let them pick what worked best for them :)
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> :D
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> allegro and sdl kinda solve different problems
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> allegro is more a 'game engine' than 'set of support libraries'
19:50 < pmprog_laptop> Not sure I'd quite agree with that
19:50 < pmprog_laptop> There's still no "engine" in Allegro
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> There seemed (At the time) no way of telling allegro it no longer 'owned' the gl context and to stop loking state
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> it would try to upload textures etc. at loadimage time
19:51 < sf{bed_alloc}> uh, what's up with https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/blob/master/game/state/city/vehiclemission.cpp#L326 ?
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess as the routes work to the 'center' of the tiles
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> but the origin of each is {0,0,0}
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> to make it so it land in the 'middle' of the tile, but at the bottom, you have to offset by that?
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> that will likely need de-magicing for large (2x2) craft
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> it should probably be {bounds.x/2, bounds.y/2, 0)?
19:53 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, my compiler fails at this line (should it be dest = ... + vec3{} ?)
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> ..old version of glm?
19:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> like line 313
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, wait, mistread it
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> didn't see the ; on the line earlier
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, that's a pointless declaration...
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess we'll have to ask keise what he intended there...
19:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> so, where do I find a textedit? only in the savegame p/r?
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC you can rename bases?
19:57 < pmprog_laptop> I'm just updating my cmake.
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: you have older than cmake 3.1??
19:57 < pmprog_laptop> Should be able to compile at somepoint tonight - maybe :)
19:57 < pmprog_laptop> Yes, Mint 17 has 2.8
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> ....why?
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> I've just had to add a ppa
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> Because it's based on Ubuntu 14.04 or something
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> I don't really get it
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> Aparently you can't upgrade VLC either, you need a different more recent distibution
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> cmake you can just download the binary package and run that
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> no cross-dependencies or anything
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> /path/to/local/extracted/cmake .
19:59 < pmprog_laptop> well, I've added a ppa now
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I did that for ubuntu 12.04 on travis...
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> but when we moved to 14.04 that had 3.1
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> wait... mint 17 is based on trusty.. which has cmake 3.1?
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe it was a backport?
20:01 < pmprog_laptop> No idea, all I know is that I'm running Mint 17, and the package manager only has 2.8
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> brb
20:05 < Shadow> how do I make callback in c++?
20:05 < Shadow> I have member in gamestate that needs to call parent method sometimes when parent calls its method
20:06 < pmprog_laptop> You could push an event into the event system
20:06 < Shadow> like "day passed"
20:06 < Shadow> ?
20:07 < pmprog_laptop> You could pass the parent into the child's method as a parameter
20:07 < Shadow> I would have header cycle then
20:07 < Shadow> looks like I
20:07 < Shadow> I
20:07 < Shadow> I
20:07 < Shadow> fck
20:08 < Shadow> I'll just make pool for changes
20:09 < sf{bed_alloc}> why the header cycle, btw?
20:09 < sf{bed_alloc}> you could pass a sp<> of parent
20:10 < sf{bed_alloc}> and just declare "class Parent; " in your child's header
20:10 < pmprog_laptop> Crap, I can't even build openapoc!!!! :(
20:10 < Shadow> I don't like coupling timer with gamestate
20:10 < Shadow> but I guess that's easiest option
20:11 < sf{bed_alloc}> pmprog_laptop: I've resorted to building via the .travis.yml steps, probably not the best method but it's the one that works
20:11 < pmprog_laptop> It's okay, think I've found my problem
20:11 < pmprog_laptop> I'll tell you in 3 hours :)
20:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> ugh, TextEdit recieves two form_interaction events, probably due to a certain workaround involving sending each event _twice_
20:13 < Shadow> O.o
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: what won't build?
20:13 < pmprog_laptop> Why is each event sent twice?
20:13 < pmprog_laptop> JonnyH`Work: I'm getting package not found errors
20:13 < pmprog_laptop> think it's physfs
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> so I did a submodule init (which I forgot), but still not getting anywhere
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, you *have* to use the patched version of physfs
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> build it and use that's PKG_CONFIG_PATH
20:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> I believe a while ago JonnyH and SupSuper had to make it because for some reason a control would ignore the event the first time (though I might be wrong)
20:15 < pmprog_laptop> Ugh, another missing lib now
20:16 < pmprog_laptop> Just going through all the deps now
20:16 < pmprog_laptop> what's pugixml?
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> a header-only xml library
20:17 < sf{bed_alloc}> a lib to parse/create xml... but it should be in the deps anyway (as a submodule)
20:17 < pmprog_laptop> in addition to tinyxml?
20:17 < pmprog_laptop> and what's miniz?
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> zlib and .zip handling for the serialization code
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> we could link against libz, as that's standard on all linux
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> but then we'd have to do something different on windows
20:19 < pmprog_laptop> okay. But why two xml libraries?
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I think there was some terrible bug with tinyxml2...
20:19 < pmprog_laptop> Is tinyxml still used?
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> yes, by the forms
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be a decent idea to standardise on one of them
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Or move the forms stuff to the abstracted 'SerializationNode' interface
20:20 < Shadow> +1
20:20 < pmprog_laptop> Sounds good to me
20:21 < Shadow> serialization node is a bit weird though
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> At 43% building, though I think I'm nearly ready for bed :(
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: :P
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I was playing around the other day
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> So tired, didn't get a lot of sleep last night
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> and the 'fastest' build I got was 25 seconds on an i7 3770
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> I always forget the -q
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> or whatever for cores
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> '-q'?
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> -j ?
20:22 < pmprog_laptop> I don't know I forget ;)
20:22 < pmprog_laptop> Is there a way to default it?
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> -j4 is probably what you want :P
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Outside an 'alias make = make -j4
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> don't think so
20:22 < pmprog_laptop> I might stick that in my .profile
20:24 < pmprog_laptop> bah, I don't have my copy of XcomApoc on my NAS! and my desktop isn't on
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20:26 < pmprog_laptop> Found it on my NUC :)
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> wget s2.jonnyh.net:~/pub/apoc_cd_steam.iso ;)
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20:31 < pmprog_laptop> Bollocks!
20:31 < pmprog_laptop> Trying to copy the file using SCP crashes the WiFi. This laptop is wank
20:31 < pmprog_laptop> Asus should be ashamed
20:32 < pmprog_laptop> Although it'd probably be fine if I was running Windows :(
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> wow, that's pretty crappy..
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> what wifi chipset?
20:33 < pmprog_laptop> Dunno, how do I find out?
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> lsmod? lspci?
20:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> unscrew the lid?
20:34 < pmprog_laptop> 03:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8821AE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
20:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> last time I've heard of them, realteks were not at the very top on linux
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC they're 'alright'
20:34 < pmprog_laptop> To be honest, this laptop really isn't as good as I hoped considering it has an i5
20:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> probably a bad/old kernel module
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> but an AC chip is 'extremely new'
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> probably newer than the kernel that ships with mint17 is the cmake age is any indication :P
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> I run apt-get dist-upgrade. anything else I can do to upgrade the system?
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> 1) Download gentoo iso
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> 2) Install gentoo.
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> 3) try to get gentoom to actually work
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> 10000) give up on gentoo
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> To be honest, I normally pay slightly more for my laptop to have an intel wifi chip
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> which I *know* will work
20:37 < pmprog_laptop> Well, I don't use wifi much in the house, as I usually use lan over power
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be that mint 17 has the lastest kernel and the realtek driver still sucks :P
20:38 < sf{bed_alloc}> I just randomly got an intel 7260 card, didn't expect it to be at the store, and it was quite cheap at the time
20:39 < pmprog_laptop> I got this because it had an i5, and HD4400, which I though would be enough to run games like FTL and Convoy... I was only part right... It still can't play a lot of "simple" games
20:39 < pmprog_laptop> That's clearly an err on my part, and really should have just bought a gaming laptop
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> but I didn't really want anything greater than a 13"
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I have an i7 6700 hq on my laptop
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> I really wanted a 12"
20:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> huh, I thought hd4400 is not a bad chip?
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> and it's quite nice thank you very muich :)
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> the hd4400 isn't bad
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> No, which iswhy I don't understand why Convoy doesn't work
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> Unless it's to do with the Trusty base for Mint 17?
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> the problem is more the intel windows drivers seem to be terrible at not crashing/actually rendering stuff
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> So would Gentoo work any better do you think?
20:43 < pmprog_laptop> Does Steam for Linux work on Gentoo?
20:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> um, I'd suggest trying fedora first
20:43 < pmprog_laptop> Not that I really use steam any more though
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, steam works!
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> You just have to manually delete the libstc++5 from the library search path if using a driver w/llvm!
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> And this, and that!
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> And all the other tweaks and helpers I've accumulated over years of using it...
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> For a 'new' user? I wouldn't recommend it :P
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe arch, or some other rolling distro is better
20:45 < pmprog_laptop> I assume whatever I tried, I'd have to reinstall everything; which isn't a big deal I guess
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> At some point experience with a distro is much more important than (small) 'improvements'
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Like I wrote an ebuild for gentoo to build  & install openapoc and all dependnecies (including patched versions from git)
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I might be able to do the same thing for ubuntu (or whatever) 'even easier'
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> but I don't know _how_
20:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh, btw yay for pvr tools actually being designed to run on linux!
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> we have pvr tools?
20:48 < pmprog_laptop> as in mythtv?
20:48 < pmprog_laptop> or some other pvr?
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> 'PowerVR'?
20:48 < sf{bed_alloc}> powervr sdk & tools, yeah
20:48 < pmprog_laptop> ah :)
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Those evil freedom-hating bastards
20:49 < sf{bed_alloc}> as opposed to "yeah, we totally have a version for linux, it just requires libc++" snapdragon stuff
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> If there's one thing we do well
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> It's building against versions of linux from the middle-ages
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> One day we'll move from c89 to c99
20:50 < sf{bed_alloc}> is there actually a major distro with libc++ working out of the box?
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> gentoo - 'emerge libcxx' works fine thank you very much?
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> not 'the default' though...
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Does android count as a distro?
20:50 < sf{bed_alloc}> does android count as a linux? :p
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup, it uses the linux kernel
20:51 < pmprog_laptop> Meh, we'll have moved onto Rust by then :)
20:51 < pmprog_laptop> Firefox is releasing a Rust build
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Possibly justifying that annoying guy going "Technically you mean GNU/Linux"
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> does Rust have a standard library?
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Or is it like Go, where it's all statically linked in?
20:52 < pmprog_laptop> I have no idea. I installed it at work, but never really tried it
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I looked at it a while ago
20:53 < pmprog_laptop> I better shut down, it's late, and whilst openapoc built, i couldn't copy the cd; hopefully on weds, I'll pop back on and I'll look through all the forms stuff (maybe even try and look at it at work)
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> but backed off when they were still making 'core syntax changes'
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> is it finally 'stable' now?
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> at least language-wise?
20:53 < pmprog_laptop> Not sure on that either, I think so
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> bye pmprog :)
20:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh god control event system
20:54 < pmprog_laptop> See you next time... Oh, and if our new devs want direct access to the repo, feel free to give it (if you can), or let me know, and I'll add them
20:54 < pmprog_laptop> Laters
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21:06 < Shadow> is such code ok?
21:06 < Shadow> https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/pull/75/commits/a185ec502c61075cf985024e22ef9e33cef07149#diff-cac787d8745dd7407843480811d0153aR808
21:06 < Shadow> or refactor it into public field?
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> the serializeIn is unsigned int
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> and the storage is unsigned long
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Will that cause overflow issues in extremely long running games?
21:08 < Shadow> will game be that long?
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> 60ticks/second
21:08 < Shadow> so it may last 30 years
21:08 < Shadow> 60*
21:09 < Shadow> but need long long then
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> or 'only' 15 as I think it actually uses (signed) int for the conversion...
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> still, probably not an issue :)
21:09 < Shadow> well to make it bigger we need long long int
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I might prefer c99 cstdint-style types
21:09 < Shadow> or maybe use uint32 etc?
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> uint32_t
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> ^^
21:10 < Shadow> ye,
21:10 < Shadow> long int is 32 bit on windows
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise a 64-bit build might behave differently to a 32bit
21:10 < Shadow> yet noone does ;)
21:10 < Shadow> I mean noone uses ints with size
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, I just tend to use int / unsigned int if I 'know' it's never going to reach a 32-bit/31-bit limit
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Nobody is expecting this to run on some 16-bit word sized arch I hope
21:11 < Shadow> never say never ;)
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> so 'unsigned int' is probably fine
21:12 < Shadow> ok
21:12 < Shadow> I just see that my class uses constructor initialization
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe leave an assert (ticks < MAX_INT) in the time code...
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> at least if we know it's going to crash it'll spit out a message first
21:12 < Shadow> and any other doesn't
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I'd prefer GameTime(unsigned int ticks) : ticks(ticks) {}
21:13 < Shadow> och constructur init lists?
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
21:14 < Shadow> I could use em im more places
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I think they're preferred elsewhere in the codebase
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC they're also specified in my 'work in progress' code style doc
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> (which I *really* should finish)
21:15 < Shadow> ok then
21:15 < Shadow> i'll squash and submit new pullrequest
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> cool :)
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> ...I've gotta actually do some work for a bit
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> so might not be able to help until later/tomorrow/whatever...
21:18 < sf{bed_alloc}> preliminary conclusion: textedit keyboard events are completely broken :(
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> :(
21:19 < Shadow> yep, they are
21:19 < Shadow> :C
21:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> I mean, even if I uncomment the code to unset the "editing" flag, I'm not getting KeyPress/TextInput events
21:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> which is, well, weird
21:21 < Shadow> you're on win or linux?
21:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> linux
21:30 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh, okay, looks like Control::EventOccured checks for control focus, but it's always "not focused"
21:30 < sf{bed_alloc}> that explains the lack of events
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21:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> "Unexpected event type 11"
21:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, that's something, at least!
21:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> looks like TextInput is not actually handled
21:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Ooh, a few FormEventType members missing from that list
21:36 <@JonnyH`Work> GotFocus/LostFocus/TextInput/TextEditFinished?
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Should probably be added to the fall-through case?
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21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> hey Keise
21:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> it's a TextInput, which is in the enums, but does not seem to be handled
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> what's up with this: https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/blob/master/game/state/city/vehiclemission.cpp#L326?
21:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> annnd it segfaults if I try to make a trivial handler. Fun!
21:49 < Keise> hey there
21:50 < Keise> z is 0 so it lands on the bottom of the tile
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, the +Vec3.. is a new statement?
21:50 < Keise> ugh
21:50 < Keise> lol
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe an extra semicolon than you intended? :P
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I understand what it was trying to do :)
21:51 < Keise> extra semi
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> https://travis-ci.org/JonnyH/OpenApoc/jobs/145593143#L3377
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Couple of issues there too
21:55 < Keise> this one should be old since it never had override on it
21:55 < Keise> but sure
21:56 < sf{bed_alloc}> ohh-kay... apparently FormsEvent does not have a text field, which is not exactly helpful
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Not saying you introduced the issues :P
21:57 <@JonnyH`Work> IT's kinda annoying it's lost in false positives (research.cpp below it) or stuff in lodepng (maybe issues but IDGAF :P)
21:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> Okay, got a kinda sorta working textedit!
21:57 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: :D
21:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> but it's a total hack, since it won't unfocus itself
21:57 < Keise> yea, I'm wondering how did you even catched this
21:58 < Shadow> bah
21:58 < Shadow> not really sure if it is helpful then ;)
21:59 < Keise> I'm thinking what should I do next
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> UFO missions?
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I kinda want something to shoot at :)
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, maybe stuff like homing projectiles too
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Or 'leading' shots?
22:01 < Keise> would be nice to have portals for UFO missions
22:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I might want to add c 'collidable object type' list ot the collision code
22:02 <@JonnyH`Work> so stuff like the shadow 'line' won't hit other vehicles
22:02 < Keise> then yea, I was thinking about weapon accuracy and if we should lead shots
22:03 < Keise> not faithful to the original but totally makes sense
22:03 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, apparently the "mouseClick" event is fired twice, so it makes the textedit lose focus immediately
22:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe make it an option? :P
22:03 < Keise> that's a point
22:03 < sf{bed_alloc}> at least you can stop editing by pressing enter!
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22:05 < Keise> by the way Skin36 reversed building destruction
22:05 <@JonnyH`Work> oh?
22:06 < Keise> not as simple as I thought
22:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Any docs/logs about that anywhere?
22:07 < Keise> I have few links, yea
22:07 < Keise> can ask him to post it on the forum
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Or drop them on the forum for later reference or something
22:09 < Keise> looks like tile strength is related to how much mass it can support
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> huh
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> And how is 'force' calculated?
22:09 < Keise> and the algo loops on Z  axis adding all mass
22:11 < Keise> http://pastebin.com/6Gg5uzss
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> If that link isn't on the forum somewhere, drop it there
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> decoding stuff like that might be interesting my 11 hour flight ;)
22:12 < Keise> heh
22:12 < Keise> where to?
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> skin dumps most stuff here: http://openapoc.pmprog.co.uk/index.php?topic=124
22:13 < Keise> yea, I saw the thread
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I dunno if we're at the stage where some systems could be 'correctly' documented
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> and write it up and stick it somewhere more 'official' (ufopaedia.org wiki?)
22:15 < sf{bed_alloc}> okay, https://github.com/sfalexrog/OpenApoc/commit/a8f1b3ca1116b1cc408c9a6e3f387d631931d12f <- good enough?
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> If it works?
22:15 < sf{bed_alloc}> well
22:15 < sf{bed_alloc}> the base does not "remember" its new name
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't really know the forms stuff well enough to do a proper review without time digging through it
22:16 < sf{bed_alloc}> but I'm not entirely sure if it's related
22:16 < Shadow> Jonny could you accept my pull request: https://github.com/JonnyH/physfs-hg-import/pull/3
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> sure
22:17 < sf{bed_alloc}> Shadow: see if my changes work with your savegame menu
22:18 < Shadow> sf{bed_alloc} it is better to make textedit per save slot or make one and move it around?
22:19 < sf{bed_alloc}> not sure, but it'd probably be a bit easier on the code side to do one movable textedit? especially with the current "hack" when you'd probably end up with multiple textedits recieving the same data all at once
22:20 < Shadow> but only one would be "editable" I guess?
22:20 < sf{bed_alloc}> (is the LostFocus event even fired anywhere?)
22:20 < Shadow> och well
22:20 < Shadow> looks like this is seriously broken
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't really know if the form 'focus' system has been used in anger
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> and if it's just completely b0rked
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I'd have thought focus state would be 'owned' by the parent form
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> not the individual controls?
22:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> well... so far IsFocused() returns false for everyone, which contributed a bit to the brokenness of the whole textedit thingy
22:22 < sf{bed_alloc}> I guess it's not so much broken as if it's not yet implemented?
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> We should just #include "QtGui"
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> so what if it looks and behaves nothing like apoc :P
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> (Honestly, I'm the last person to talk about UI libraries, they're well outside my experience set)
22:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> openxcom seemed to have a decent ui lib...
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> pre-apoc ui was extremely simple IIRC
22:24 < Shadow> btw, have you thought about integrating openxcom into openapoc?
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> We thought about taht when we started
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> and it was generally believed it was 'too' different
22:24 < Shadow> ...and?
22:24 < Shadow> well
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> to be worth trying to keep parallel code paths
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe a 'fork' would have been a do-able thing
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> certainly, the real-time aspect of the tile engine alone would be a *lot* of changes to the xcom code
22:25 < Shadow> hmm aye
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> stuff like it can 'never' has an object 'between' tiles
22:26 < Shadow> <sf{bed_alloc}> how can I pull your commit into my branch?
22:27 < Keise> add his repo to remotes
22:27 < Shadow> och thanks
22:27 < sf{bed_alloc}> I tend to 'git remote add <repo-name> <repo-url> && git fetch <repo-name> && git merge <repo-name>/<branch>'
22:28 < sf{bed_alloc}> better done in detached head mode, though
22:29 < Shadow> ok got it
22:38 < sf{bed_alloc}> ugh, it probably won't really work... TextEdit::RaiseEvent is a stub, hence my inability to actually rename bases
22:39 < sf{bed_alloc}> ...and of course it's not handled!
22:39 < Shadow> it kinda works
22:40 < Keise> and here I was happy that UI is already done...
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Keise: HAHAHHA good joke
22:41 < Shadow> I wonder why onclick is fired multiple times though
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> No clue
22:41 < Shadow> maybe lets remove it and see what's broken?
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect pmprog had one idea about how events should work when he imported 'his' forms stuff
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> then Sup and I misunderstood/hacked around stuff that we weren't using properly...
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> We probably need some benelovent dicatator to take charge of the Forms/Events UI
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and tell us how it *should* work
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> preferably with examples/tests
22:43 < Shadow> blah
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW I added a couple of tests for the collision/voxel stuff
22:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> at the very least it should probably be a bit simplier... :p
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Is there any easy way of integrating them into msvc?
22:44 < Shadow> hmm yeach
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> AFICT each 'project' can only create a single executable?
22:44 < Shadow> not really sure how though
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so having one-main-function-per-test isn't a great model for that?
22:44 < Shadow> och
22:44 < Shadow> wekk
22:44 < Shadow> well
22:45 < Shadow> I don't really know how to do it in c++
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> neither do I -_-
22:45 < Shadow> msvc is different beast here
22:45 < Shadow> than the one I knwo
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> the 'c++ unit tests' project wizard just imports some massive "Microsoft Unit Test Framework"
22:46 < Shadow> what lib are you using?
22:46 <@JonnyH`Work> none
22:46 < Shadow> command line :D
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> just a program that reuturns EXIT_SUCCESS/EXIT_FAILURE :P
22:47 < Shadow> ok I may look for something
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm sure you could wrap main() in something that links up to some magic framework
22:47 < Shadow> and implement
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I just wanted to know if someone happened to know 'some easy way'
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> If the answer if no we can leave it for now, until we have more 'useful' tests
22:48 < Shadow> maybe do it canonical way and let's stick language name before "Unit"
22:48 < Shadow> hmmm hmmm
22:48 < Shadow> http://cppunit.sourceforge.net/doc/cvs/cppunit_cookbook.html
22:50 < Shadow> looks not bad, I may try to integrate it
22:51 < Shadow> when i'm done with saves
22:51 < Shadow> anyway cya
22:52 < Shadow> 1:am here ;)
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> night ;)
22:52 < sf{bed_alloc}> okay, it works!
22:52 < sf{bed_alloc}> bases can now be renamed
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: Careful, if you fix forms you'll start owning that code...
22:52  * sf{bed_alloc} runs away
22:53 < sf{bed_alloc}> still, the base name in the base screen and the base name in the cityscape ui appears different
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> ...huh
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe it just doesn't update the Label or whatever?
22:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> (it fixes itself once you get a second base and switch between them)
22:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> so yeah, doesn't update the label in a timely fashion
22:58 < sf{bed_alloc}> still, gotta take a nap (and finally rework&merge the cue/bin loader, honestly it's not even funny anymore)
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Damn, I could do with a nap...
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Feeling somewhat under the weather, just limping through the day, then home for an early night I guess
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15:24 < Shadow> hi
15:24 <@JonnyH> hey
15:24 < Shadow> sf{bed_alloc} are you here?
15:24 < sf{bed_alloc}> Shadow: kinda
15:25 < Shadow> how's that textedit? I see you made new commit
15:25 < Shadow> can I base my work on that?
15:27 <@JonnyH> If it works, push it to pmprog ;)
15:27 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, just after you left. Textedit now should actually create the "input finished" event and call the callback
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15:27 < Shadow> great
15:28 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, it's more of a workaround (you can only stop input by pressing enter)
15:28 < Shadow> ok
15:28 < Shadow> how are we going to push it into main repo
15:28 < Shadow> if there will be my commit, your commit, my commit etc?
15:29 < sf{bed_alloc}> but I guess the control library will need an overhaul one day, and more textedit consumers will provide more test cases
15:29 < sf{bed_alloc}> I can just commit to master, you'll probably have to merge (maybe squash?)
15:30 < Shadow> would be awesome
15:30 < Shadow> what overhaul does forms lib need?
15:31 < Shadow> For me it looks simple and nice
15:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it's more 'bugs' in the event handing code
15:31 <@JonnyH`Work> instead of "Replacing the api"
15:32 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, api is fine, event handling though...
15:32 < sf{bed_alloc}> though it's probably always messy (see openxcom InteractiveSurface, it's scary)
15:33 < Shadow> bah
15:33 < Shadow> Not really :)
15:33 < Shadow> I've seen some really big forms with nice code
15:34 < Shadow> however Idk how to apply that to C++
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15:37 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] sfalexrog pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vKrHf
15:37 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a72c58a sfalexrog: Hack in/"fix" TextEdit support...
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15:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> this should have both yesterday's commits
15:38 < sf{bed_alloc}> (and a kinda sorta working textedit?)
15:51 < Shadow> btw, I have problem with our error handling
15:51 <@JonnyH`Work> oh?
15:51 < Shadow> to override game I make copy
15:52 < Shadow> and save new file in target path
15:52 < Shadow> if this fails and user clicks exit he is left with random file name
15:52 < Shadow> not sure if big deal
15:52 <@JonnyH`Work> That probably means you shouldn't use LogError, but 'handle the exception' (possibly removing a file) /then/ call LogError()
15:53 < Shadow> SerializationArchive uses LogError
15:53 <@JonnyH`Work> It probably shouldn't then :)
15:53 < Shadow> ok
15:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I want to move LogError() to mean 'unrecoverable error'
15:53 <@JonnyH`Work> if that doesn't fit, we probably shouldn't use it
15:54 < Shadow> I guess that it was unrecoverable error when you had just one save file ;)
15:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Plus when developing it was easier to see a BIG FAT ERROR :P
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15:55 < sf{bed_alloc}> LogFatal maybe?
15:55 <@JonnyH`Work> make LogWarning show a dialog too?
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15:55 <@JonnyH`Work> And remove my excessive use of it with debug info :P
15:56 < sf{bed_alloc}> so that LogError would mean "you're in an inconsistent state, proceed at your own risk" and LogFatal would be "that's it, you're done"
15:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm not sure I see the difference between the two?
15:56 < sf{bed_alloc}> warning showing a dialog box is a bit excessive (it's useful because it outputs to stderr as well as to the logfile)
15:57 <@JonnyH`Work> If it's a 'possibly recoverable error' it should be handled in-game?
15:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, we could place LogErrors so that we would know where to place recovery code later
15:58 < sf{bed_alloc}> (i.e. "never")
15:58 < Shadow> maybe throw exception instead of killing application in log error?
15:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Start abusing exceptions?
15:58 < Shadow> some states can recover from fatal error
15:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I should probably make it so 'nothing' in the framework/library uses Logerror
15:59 <@JonnyH`Work> as really it's up to the user to decide if that's a failure or not...
15:59 < Shadow> yep
15:59 < Shadow> I think they should be changed to log warning
15:59 <@JonnyH`Work> and a throw?
15:59 < Shadow> not sure
16:00 < Shadow> for instance archive code can just return false
16:00 < Shadow> and caller will know that it failed
16:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> #define LogError(...) static_assert(false, "Don't do this!") in a framework header :p
16:00 <@JonnyH`Work> sure, if 'returning' a resource
16:00 <@JonnyH`Work> but with an exception you can have more info, did it fail as it doesn't exist? Or wrong format? Or something else?
16:01 < Shadow> ye, but you don't care why it failed
16:01 < Shadow> it just doesnt work
16:01 < Shadow> need to display message "this save is broken dude" in any case
16:01 < Shadow> exception is ok too
16:02 < Shadow> also I think that LogWarning should show window in developer build
16:02 < Shadow> or there should be switch somewhere
16:02 <@JonnyH`Work> It would certainly discourage me from overusing it :)
16:02 < Shadow> really?
16:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Or at least leaving it in for 'normal 'occurances
16:02 < Shadow> For instance if I am making form code and I got warning about "unknown xml node"
16:02 <@JonnyH`Work> (currently watching a lot of "Launching" warnings go past ;)
16:03 < Shadow> it's message for developer
16:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Or mod author
16:03 < Shadow> yep
16:03 <@JonnyH`Work> anyone who modifies the xml in a way to hit that warning probably wants to see it
16:03 < sf{bed_alloc}> LogWarning, iirc, has an explicit flush which is useful for debugging (LogInfo often doesn't cut it)
16:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, sf{bed_alloc} that's intentional, as sometimes 'warning' would show the symptoms of something that's about to crash
16:04 <@JonnyH`Work> but flushing on every LogInfo looked to expensive
16:04 < Shadow> it's not
16:04 < Shadow> ;)
16:04 < Shadow> or well
16:05 < Shadow> I doubt that it would decrease performance significaly
16:07 < sf{bed_alloc}> depends on the platform, and wouldn't it cause issues w/multithreading?
16:07 < Shadow> I have two servers handling dozens of users/second
16:07 < sf{bed_alloc}> (I don't have a single idea about threads, honestly, so I'm really not sure there)
16:07 < Shadow> they spit logs everywhere
16:08 < Shadow> and once dude set flushing debug trace on production
16:08 < Shadow> noone noticed :)
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16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a different world...
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> We get pinged if our .text section grows by a few kb
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> But then again some customers are 'silly' :P
17:04 < Shadow> Well we aren't pinged until log parition is closing to 90% :)
17:04 < Shadow> but the point was that there were no really impact of this
17:06 < Shadow> sorry for my english :)
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> It's no worse than mine
17:15 < Shadow> ok, should I add openapoc_manifest file for zip files too?
17:15 < Shadow> we were talking about it sometime ago
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe just for consistency
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> although the .zip contains CRCs and whatnot
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't wnat to 'stop' people modifying save games...
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe make checksum errors a warning not error?
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW for the 'memory leak'
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> it doesn't repro on linux
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I get to 120.7 mb at init
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> then it creeps up to 122.0 as sp<>s are lazily allocated in Tiles
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> but then stabilises after about 2 hours there
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> left it running overnight and didn't increase
17:23 < Shadow> well
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> we *could* significantly reduce that memory overhead from 122
17:23 < Shadow> shit
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the 'growth' is when the first object ever enters a tile the set<> allocates memory it then keeps
17:24 < Shadow> I
17:24 < Shadow> I'll leave game running in my company for few days
17:24 < Shadow> we'll see how much ram it takes after day or two
17:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Hopefully you'll see something similar...
17:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't want to try to debug some platform specific issue :(
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> as I wouldn't know where to start debugging this on windows
17:25 < Shadow> neither do I :(
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> 35.6 mb of that is RGBImage copies we *could* remove after uploading to GL...
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> 12.5 is the gamestate
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> 27.5 is the tilemap
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Not too bad for memory usage IMHO, considering it's not been a requirement :)
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> That does not include the GL buffers though
17:28 < Shadow> idk how much memory avg rig have
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> which should be approximately the same as the RGBImage + ~6mb palette images + vertex buffer (less than 1 mb)
17:29 < Shadow> usually I have >16 gb, so hardly issue for me ;)
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> plus whatever driver overhead
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> It should work on a 1gb mobile device, I think that's a decent aim to have
17:29 < Shadow> aye
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> which means we can waste ~8x more memory :P
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> It will grow a fair bit actually when loadingthe ufopaedia backgrounds
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> each has a 640x480 image
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> and currently we never purge them from memory after lazily loading...
17:30 < Shadow> I wouldn't care until we hit wall
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> each being 300k :O
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> 266 images is ~82 mb...
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Still not worth putting time into
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Assuming there are actually no leaks
17:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, there's https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/x98tx3cf.aspx in terms of leak detection on windows
17:41 < sf{bed_alloc}> but be aware this thing might get you "false positives"/leaks in libraries that you don't have a source code to/other stuff
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I know, icu and sdl both 'leak' on linux
17:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> and you have to have the debug lines *everywhere* (though it's easily solved by creating a "memdebug" header and force-including it with a certain compiler flag)
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> but only one bllock at init, I'm sure we can cope with 4800 bytes every time I create a GL context
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> and 1024 whenever I imbue a date locale
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> plus my graphics driver seems to keep around a lot of static global state
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> honestly, running a system where you have debug symbols and source for *everything* is sooo much easier
17:47 < Shadow> you know it's even easier in managed code ;)
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> possibly
17:48 < sf{bed_alloc}> ...especially when you have mastered gdb
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> but a 'fully managed OS' is at most a research project these days
17:48 < Shadow> yeach but managed application is enough
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, the people who say 'I love MSVC's visual debugger' have never used some of the more powerful gdb features :)
17:49 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, android *seems* to be mostly managed, bar kernel and some libraries
17:49 < Shadow> you make memory dump, load in application, load symbols and you can peek on each object
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: other than the things that actually crash...
17:49 < Shadow> check referencing object etc
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> The number of times I see a backtrace enter java and 'disappear'
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Shadow: sounds like a core dump
17:50 < Shadow> well on windows it is called "break state"
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> same idea I guess?
17:50 < Shadow> you may attach to any application and "break it"
17:50 < Shadow> maybe
17:50 < sf{bed_alloc}> obviously you need a symbol table for andorid's java implemetation :p (though nowadays it tries to compile bytecode to machine code, probably throwing all debug away)
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> art elf files have some debug info
17:51 < sf{bed_alloc}> gdb is not exactly frontend-friendly, though
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> The issue is no single tool seems to cross the java/native battier well
17:51 < sf{bed_alloc}> (and noob-friendly)
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, it's very much the 'command line scripting' focus
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> you can somewhat wrap that in a ui, but you nearly always limit the flexibility
17:52 < sf{bed_alloc}> I've had a debugger+frontend crash on me several times while debugging a fairly simplistic code
17:52 < Shadow> well debugger is about speed, not about flexibility
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I've never had gdb do something 'wrong'...
17:53 < Shadow> at least from my perspective
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Shadow: same thing in some ways
17:53 < Shadow> or well "usability"
17:53 < Shadow> speed in getting to know what you like
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> most bugs that aren't just 'break on line, step through code, oh that value's wrong' require some level of crazystuff
17:53 < sf{bed_alloc}> and sometimes processes would "run away" from the ide, chewing on ram and cpu until everything starts to slow down
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> like reverse debugging/tracing/conditional breakpoints/threading stuff
17:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> conditional breakpoints *drool*
17:54 < Shadow> well not much experience in native world
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> the tooling for native code on linux is great
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> the issue is it's clearly been built by 'experts' who forget how long it took them to get where they are today
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I remember doing some 'capture the flag' style thing at uni
17:55 < Shadow> btw
17:56 < Shadow> speaking of debugger
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> we were given a binary 'bomb' and using a debugger try to figure out a couple of obfuscaed input/password style stuff
17:56 < Shadow> msvs without debug mode is crap
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> so I just cleaned the stack and jumped to success()...
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Suspect that wasn't the point
17:56 < Shadow> lol
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, gcc's release optimisations still 'work kinda well' with gdb
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> -Og is great :)
17:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> -fno-omit-stack-pointer as well?
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> also I've had issues with msvc debug info failing to expand inside macros when setting through...
17:57 < Shadow> can you hotswap in c++?
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: nobody uses x86 anymore... x86_64 or go home!
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> not directly, but you can use elf symbol interposition to do the same thing as a function level
17:58 < sf{bed_alloc}> JonnyH`Work: tell that to "amd64 kernel, x86 userspace" Asus :(
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: nexus player? :P
17:58 < sf{bed_alloc}> zenfone
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> same SoC :P
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> same issue
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Intel have some crazy ideas...
17:59 < sf{bed_alloc}> x32?
17:59 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, but that requires a new abi
17:59 < sf{bed_alloc}> that's not present on android
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> if you need a new abi may as well change isa and just go arm...
18:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> well why not just force x64 on everyone? hell, that thing has 4gb ram, one of my core2duo pcs used to have the same amount and ran amd64 happily
18:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> not like there's gonna be lots of devs compiling for x86 anyway
18:02 < sf{bed_alloc}> (and they're shipping emulator images with pure x86_64, without x86 libraries)
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> the nexus player only has 1gb
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> but the *real* limit is ICache use
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> (and DCache I suppose :)
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> the atoms need all the help they can get
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Less of a big deal on an i7 w/8mb l3 though
18:04 < sf{bed_alloc}> shouldn't that be an issue on arms as well?
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> indeed, but most arm is still armv7
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and they refreshed the 32bit to armv8 too
18:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> so arms actually got their equivalent of x32?
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I suppose, yes
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> new instructions/'cleaner' isa/whatever but still 32-bit pointers
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Though thing the register width is still 32 in armv8
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> plus thumb interop means it can use 'compressed' instructions with the same instruciton stream already
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> but then arguably the x86 variable-length isa is kinda 'compressed' already
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> until you start using some new sse/avx insn, of corse :P
18:09 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, it's not like atoms have avx anyway
18:10 < sf{bed_alloc}> x32 was merged into linux 3.4, wonder whether it was before/after api20 with "64-bit support"
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> api20?
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, android api level?
18:11 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> x32 was well before that
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> but it'll require them to add lots of support code/bionic/bionic (well, art now) backends
18:12 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, the *idea* is quite old (first days of amd64, when memory prices were quite high), but the implementation is, what, 2011? 2012?
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Honestly, it's more cache than memory use
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I'
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> ..I'd guess even then :)
18:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> still, they *did* have to add support for x64
18:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> (if only they would use a "real" c library!)
18:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> (but I guess that had something to do with licensing)
18:15 < Shadow> Failed to add resource dir "./data/cd.iso" wut?
18:15 < Shadow> you know such problem?
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> It tries a number of paths for the CD
18:16 < Shadow> it fails to mount anything
18:16 < Shadow> I mean suddenly game stopped working
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Did you have the apoc iso copied there?
18:16 < Shadow> ye, ofc
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> then cleaned your git repo or something?
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Or changed $(CWD)?
18:16 < Shadow> it fails to mount empty directory
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> if using the msvc build
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> make sure you run the .exe from top-level directory of the repository
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> the linux build copies it to the build output directory, but the msvc build doesn't IIRC
18:17 < Shadow> ye, apparently CWD changed
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> by default running inside msvc uses the top-level directory
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> unless that has changed?
18:18 < Shadow> I doubt
18:19 < sf{bed_alloc}> maybe it's picking up your old configs?
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, the 'iso data directory' is a config variable
18:20 < Shadow> I guess that I
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> but you can't really set that without editing the config file right now :)
18:20 < Shadow> just have bad day
18:20 < Shadow> just copied bins into main directory and it ran
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> or checkout my 'editor' branch...
18:20 < sf{bed_alloc}> doesn't it get set whenever you pass a command-line parameter?
18:20 < Shadow> nah, I was just debugging and suddenly stopped starting
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> sure, you could run ./OpenApoc Resource.LocalDataDir=c:\something\wackey
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> then it will 'store' that
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> it only stores it if it's changed from the defaults (which are in a table at the top of framework.cpp)
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> not the best place for it... maybe we should ship a 'initial .config' instead?
18:22 < Shadow> I don't have settings.cfg
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> in %APPDATA%/openapoc?
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it'll write it unconditionally...
18:23 < Shadow> #Resource.LocalDataDir=./data
18:24 < Shadow> I guess that i'll just burn my repo and clone again
18:24 < Shadow> what a day...
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, if it's the default it still writes them just commented out :)
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git clean -xfd; git reset --hard'
18:31 < Shadow> git clean did it
18:31 < Shadow> wtf
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> the cd isn't in the .gitignore
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I just set my Resource.SystemCDPath=/home/jonny/code/projects/apoc-raw/steam/XCom Apocalypse/cd.iso
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> in my global settings.cfg
18:32 < Shadow> problem wasn't with cd only
18:32 < Shadow> it couldn't even mount OpenApoc/data
18:32 < Shadow> or OpenApoc/saves
18:32 < Shadow> whatever
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, weird...
18:32 < Shadow> anywway works atm
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> We've had a lot of bugs with physfs' iso9660 backend, but not seen anything with the 'system fs' backend?
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug* if it works now pretend it never happened
18:33 < Shadow> ye
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> It's what I do with my safety-critical code
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> so good enough here too
18:34 < Shadow> ;)
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19:21 < Shadow> btw, I've disabled _HAS_ITERATOR_DEBUGGING and doesn't help with vs debug mode speed
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> :(
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a shame there isn't an -Og eqivalent...
19:22 < Shadow>  I guess that someone smarter than me will have to look at it
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a shame as even with crazy debug & sanitizers enabled on my linux build it (nearly) hits 60fps on my i7
19:23 < Shadow> Looks like ms debug lib adds lists of iterators to each container
19:23 < Shadow> idk if that's reason
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't really know what msvc does so differently
19:24 < Shadow> First time I have such problem
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> as I've not (yet) seen an issue picked up by the ms stl that wasn't also picked up in gcc
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> It's probably some terrible misunderstanding where I've enabled some /fomg-slow option
19:24 < Shadow> I've worked on cpp games before
19:25 < Shadow> and they had no problem with ms debug mode
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH I've never bothered profiling debug mode...
19:26 < Shadow> well i'm not speaking of profiling
19:26 < Shadow> it just worked
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> which is how it is on linux, which is why I didn't really 'notice' :P
19:26 < Shadow> Well I think that something is seriously misconfigured
19:27 < Shadow> this game worked http://screen.bitterglory.com/in/11-04/bewbvbvhe.png
19:27 < Shadow> I had much weaker machine back then
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it'll probably be one rather specific thing rather than 'everything's slow'
19:27 < Shadow> ye
19:28 < Shadow> and I guess it's in compiler  settings
19:28 < Shadow> because both game and gamestate loading is slow
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Is there a way of enabling/disabling specific optimisation passes in msvc?
19:28 < Shadow> ye
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> gamestate loading is slow on gcc debug too
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> as it 'really likes' inlining :)
19:29 < Shadow> but inlinign is set to default
19:29 < Shadow> och wait default
19:30 < Shadow> may be different for debug :D
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume it'll be disabled for debug
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> as leaving stuff in the stack frame really helps the debugger
19:30 < Shadow> ye
19:30 < Shadow> interactive window doesn't basically work
19:30 < Shadow> without inlining
19:31 < Shadow> "this function has been inlined" everywhere :C
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19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> on gcc debug it spend maybe ~50% of the city update time in findClosestEnemy
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> half of that (so 25% total) in isRelatedTo :P
19:33 < Shadow> what isRelatedTo does?
19:33 < Shadow> it seems not ok somehow
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> gets the relationship (hostile/friendly/whatever) between two organisations
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Doesn't seem like it *should* be a massive performance drain...
19:33 < Shadow> but it's called once per update, not multiple times?
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Nope, it's called 842 thousand times in  125 frames
19:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> how about map->unordered_map? would it help in isRelatedTo?
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> so about 2 seconds :P
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> So the issue is more the number of calls, not the calls themselves
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19:34 < Shadow> but it looks bad
19:35 < Shadow> it should be precomputed maybe?
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe we can memoise the relationships...
19:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> so, 6736 calls per frame? seems kinda plausible
19:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> if each vehicle calls that function for each other vehicle
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> in range
19:35 < Shadow> och damn
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> and this is 'worse case'
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> the city during normal gameplay shouldn't have anywhere near that many vehicles flying around at all times
19:36 < Shadow> well I guess that we should move away from dicts
19:36 < Shadow> and move to hashmaps ;)
19:36 < Shadow> wouldn't be issue then
19:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> with 100 instances of each possible non-xcom vehicle type
19:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> it's still gonna be a sizeable bunch of calls, range or no range
19:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> or is it 100 vehicles total?
19:39 < sf{bed_alloc}> um, how do I do formatting? make format, that's it?
19:39 < Keise> yea, I had 33% in isRelatedTo on msvc
19:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> (except "make format" is giving me a LOT of errors and still does... stuff... to my sources)
19:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> (all of them)
19:40 < Shadow> Keise: do you know how to heal msvc debug mode? :)
19:40 < Keise> no
19:42 < Keise> I usually just load save with everything prepared :)
19:44 < Shadow> ye but it sucks
19:44 < Keise> do you have a way?
19:44 < Shadow> I don't like half measures ;)
19:44 < Shadow> nah
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: ypu
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> ..you're using clang 3.8 right?
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Not the 3.9 pre-release?
19:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> looks like I've got 3.7.0
19:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> gotta find myself 3.8.0?
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> 3.8 changed a few of the options
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> so the .clang-format file will only 'work' with that :)
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be possible to make a .clang-format-{VERSION} or something if you can't update
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> interestingly, even in release isRelatedTo is like 25% of the runtime
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> so clearly an opportunity for improving there
19:46 < Keise> cache?
19:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> looks like 3.8 is in fc24, brace for update
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, I guess it's doing a StateRef dereference every call?
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> seems excesssive...
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> wait.. why is it copying a StateRef<>?
19:51 < Shadow> Keise: do you have problems with debugger refusing to load symbols?
19:51 < Keise> if it's a release build then yea :)
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> does release not still output .pdb?
19:51 < Keise> but on debug everything is fine except for the speed
19:52 < Shadow> Jonny: yep it does
19:52 < Shadow> but apparently not for all projects
19:52 < Keise> odd
19:52 < Shadow> I can hit breakpoint in gamestate but not frameework
19:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> ughhh https://travis-ci.org/sfalexrog/OpenApoc/jobs/145918756#L1449
19:54 < Keise> I'm mainly hacking gamestate, so can't tell anything about framework
19:56 < sf{bed_alloc}> probably a case of boost libs being too old on the build server
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> sf{bed_alloc}: is that right? The for loop will call begin on the directory_iterator?
20:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> huh, I'm not sure how exactly, but for some reason my compiler sees that as valid code
20:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> though there's definitely no .begin() for directory_iterator
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> it may be that boost added the .bgin()/.end() methods to the iterator specifically for c++11 foreach loop compat
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> it might also expand 'begin(TYPE)'
20:02 < sf{bed_alloc}> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_61_0/libs/filesystem/example/tut3.cpp
20:03 < sf{bed_alloc}> they're using basically the same construct, but that's more recent boost version (an older version of the page actually has directory_iterator(p)/directory_iterator() as, well, actual iterators)
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> the quesion is did boost 1.54 support that?
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> as that's what ubuntu on travis uses
20:07 < sf{bed_alloc}> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_61_0/libs/filesystem/doc/release_history.html - looks like begin() and end() were added in 1.51.0
20:08 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh well, it's easier to just rewrite it as an ordinary for loop
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> plus auto for the type, pls
20:23 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, that seems to work
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20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> well, that makes isRelatedTo 1/10 the time by my testing..
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20:27 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vKowk
20:27 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4728256 Jonathan Hamilton: Cleanup Organisation relation method constness, ref args...
20:27 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 336f555 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix vehicle mission LogError when attacking itself...
20:27 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 577f8ee Jonathan Hamilton: format
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20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> let me know if it doesn't help on windows/android/other
20:31 < sf{bed_alloc}> by the way, how do we (re)generate/edit windows project files? through cmake or by hand (in actual visual studio)?
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> by hand
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> the cmake & msvc builds are completely disconnected
20:32 < sf{bed_alloc}> ugh, gotta add filesystem to the project then
20:32 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, had to reboot anyway
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> we already use boost::Filesystem
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's already in msvc
20:32 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, my file isn't :p
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
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20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I often edit the xml in vim
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> probably shouldn't -_-
20:43 < Shadow> Fix vehicle mission LogError when attacking itself...
20:43 < Shadow> wut
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> It's an error printed out if somehow a vehicle's target == this
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Not expected to be hit :)
20:44 < Shadow> Lol
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> but still, the LogError() would have broken due to a missing argument
20:44 < Shadow> Well commit message was mind bending ;)
20:55 < Keise> well it's even possible in original
20:55 < Keise> to set
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> editing the save?
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Or in the UI?
20:56 < Keise> with usual UI
20:56 < Keise> vehicle just hangs in place I think
20:57 < Keise> but I disabled it in cityview since it's stupid anyway
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> should allow it but get it to do retardes stuff
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Like chase it's own tail and launch homing missiles at itself
20:58 < Keise> lol
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW did you try that isRelatedto fix in windows debug? Any better?
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Though you said it's ~30% of the trace? Even if reduced to 0 cost it'll still be 'slow'...
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20:59 < Keise> not yet
21:00 < Keise> I tried to replace isRelatedTo with return 0 a while ago, a bit better but not much
21:01 < Shadow> btw, it has to be updated every frame?
21:01 < Keise> I wonder what SupSuper was doing
21:01 < Keise> with msvc build
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I haven't seen sup in a while actually...
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess he's still drunk from when portugal won the euros
21:04 < Keise> haha
21:04 < Keise> I like the activity on the project now :)
21:04 < Keise> should keep it up
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Just in time for me to go on holiday :)
21:06 < Keise> no apoc on holidays?
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe, I'll have my laptop
21:06 < Keise> at least bug you with questions some time
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll be at my parents house in the country for a week
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> it might be that's the most productive week in openapoc history
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Depending on how much I'm avoiding my family :)
21:08 < Keise> lol
21:08 < Shadow> wut
21:12 < Keise> time to get home
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> o7
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21:22 < Shadow>  reworked that zip stuff and now with 50 saves takes around second to initialize
21:22 < Shadow> \O/
21:27 < sf{bed_alloc}> okay, seems like the upgrade is kinda painless! and formatting seems to work just fine as well
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21:28 < sf{bed_alloc}> now to squash and (finally) commit
21:39 < Shadow> I like squashing, makes me look like good programmer who knows how to design something ;)
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> You can remove all the "oops..." commits :)
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git rebase -i' is food from the gods
21:40 < Shadow> aye
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21:42 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] sfalexrog pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vKo97
21:42 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2c756cc sfalexrog: Add a cuesheet PhysFS archiver...
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21:43 < sf{bed_alloc}> "committed on May 4" now that sounds like a time machine :p
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> 3.3ms update, 3.5ms render
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> not bad...
21:45  * sf{bed_alloc} remembers about physfs_apk
21:46 <@JonnyH`Work> that took like 1/2 a second just to tell if a file existed :P
21:46 < sf{bed_alloc}> 1/2 a second? lucky you, my n4 used to take like 3 seconds :p
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> clearly powervr based hw is just faster at... reading the nand?
21:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> all joking aside, I'm still not sold on the idea of reading stuff directly from the apk
21:48 < sf{bed_alloc}> (but yeah, zenfone does have better performance wrt reading the resources)
21:49 < sf{bed_alloc}> I mean, there's a folder for your app's storage needs on the "removable"/"external" media
21:50 < sf{bed_alloc}> and you can access it through, well, basically any method you'd like
21:50 < sf{bed_alloc}> and not through some weird AAssetManager stuff
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> fopen()
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> actually, we're c++... fstream.read()?
21:52 < sf{bed_alloc}> um, I think I've lost you
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> If we can just read stuff out of the fs normally, it's clearly the preferred method
21:52 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, we were doing that before :p
21:53 < sf{bed_alloc}> we just had to unpack the data somewhere
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Or we say 'screw you memory'
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> embed a zip in the .apk, extract that to memory and 'mount' that using physfs?
21:53 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh god
21:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> (although it's what, 50 megs?)
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> 4.2 mb is the whole data folder zipped
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> and not everything is actually used in-game...
21:55 < sf{bed_alloc}> sounds about right
21:55 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, it's not like 50 megs would *really* make a difference, especially when we require a 500 mb iso
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> 1.8mb after removing non-english langs, some spare images and whatnot
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> at some point you just go f**ck it, mmap it in
21:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> (and we could put the data.zip in the apk, copy it into the external storage and mount it via physfs... except we would have to go through serialization/deserialization code and make it actually read from physfs)
21:57 <@JonnyH`Work> that's doable reasonably enough
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21:58 <@JonnyH`Work> there's a minzip api that takes 'read more data' callbacks iirc
21:58 <@JonnyH`Work> so we can embed saves in the zip in the zip in the apk
21:58 <@JonnyH`Work> or is that too far? :P
21:58 < sf{bed_alloc}> um, I don't want to touch the apk in the native code, at all :p
21:58 < sf{bed_alloc}> not even by a weak reference
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> make the 'loader screen' just copy the data.zip to 'app cache dir'
22:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, that's what I actually did a while back
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> we could leave it as a zip instead of unpacking individual files
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> might make it easier to manage
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> embed a version so you can 'wipe' it if necessary?
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I think part of me went "We already read zips, why not the apk?"
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> the answer being 'caus it's slow and hard'
22:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, an apk will have a data.zip and data.md5, will check for data.zip existence and data.md5 contents
22:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> and replace if necessary
22:02 < sf{bed_alloc}> it's kinda-like-but-not-exactly how openxcom currently works :p
22:04 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh, and it seems gradle now supports native project dependencies! yay for (eventually) not having a huge, compile-it-all-at-once file
22:04 <@JonnyH`Work> :D
22:06 < sf{bed_alloc}> (the fact that I can almost make sense of those files and nearly enjoy writing them is probably the most stockholm-syndrome-ish thing for me)
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm looking forward to be able to buy one of these new graphics cards that was recently released
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> but currently it seems impossible to find...
22:08 < sf{bed_alloc}> which ones?
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> radeon 480
22:10 < Keise> I am waiting for one too
22:10 < Keise> non-reference
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I currently have a r280
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> or a 7950 as it was called when I got it ;)
22:11 < Keise> lol
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> it's doing pretty well for something apparently build sometime before the jurassic period actually
22:11 < sf{bed_alloc}> huh, I've missed the whole "release" thing. Saw an announcement, then a bunch of tests, benchmarks, comparisons, but no release
22:11 < Keise> I'm on gtx650 now so it will be quite an upgrade
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> You say "Oh, my graphics card is 5 years old but plays doom high at 60+fps"
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> 1440p
22:11 < sf{bed_alloc}> doom vulkan tests are a lot of fun
22:12 < sf{bed_alloc}> somehow nvidia manages to lose framerate compared to opengl
22:12 < sf{bed_alloc}> and amd has enormous gains
22:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> which is, I guess, a funny way to say "amd has excellent hardware and a really, really crappy driver"
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> It's like half one half the other
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> the gcn architecture has all kinda of fancy features (The current big one going around is the ACE frontends for 'async compute')
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> that literally cannot be used for dx11/most opengl
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> so from one point of view, it's more future proof
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> the other says it was wasted all this time, silicon that could have been more shader units :P
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> plus the amd opengl driver seems to have crazy high overheads
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> so that in many tests the "completely unoptimised" open source mesa driver is faster...
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Plus airlied just posted a prototype oss vulkan driver for gcn 1.2 on mesa-devel
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> which is nice :)
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> As I said, I'd never choose nvidia as open source drivers are sooooo useful
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> and nouveau sucks
22:18 < sf{bed_alloc}> fun fact: I'm still not sure whether the whole bumblebee thing actually works on my laptop since I've never had a reason to turn it on
22:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I was surprised the hybrid graphics on my laptop "just worked" out the box on linux
22:18 <@JonnyH`Work> "DRI_PRIME=1 glxgears" runs on the amd discrete
22:19 < sf{bed_alloc}> yeah, I had to do some magic that I'm not even sure works (and pretty sure didn't survive the system upgrade)
22:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess that's the advantage of both using the 'same' libGL.so
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22:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2df81d8 sfalexrog: Fix typo
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22:32 < sf{bed_alloc}> (it kept popping up every build, it was starting to get annoying)
22:32 < Shadow> speaking of build
22:33 < Shadow> I wonder why gcc hates ifstream from iostream
22:33 < Shadow> and msvs and clang allows it
22:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> define "hates"
22:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> it's not from <iostream>, it's from <fstream> iirc
22:33 < Shadow> <JonnyH`Work> so that in many tests the "completely unoptimised" open source mesa driver is faster...
22:33 < Shadow> <JonnyH`Work> Plus airlied just posted a prototype oss vulkan driver for gcn 1.2 on mesa-devel
22:33 < Shadow> https://travis-ci.org/ShadowDancer/OpenApoc/jobs/145945785#L1431
22:33 < Shadow> yeach
22:34 < Shadow> but clang and msvs accepts just iostream
22:34 < Shadow> or maybe lack of fstream idk
22:34 < Shadow> ewird
22:34 < Shadow> weird
22:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> different implemetations of c++ stl
22:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> msvc and clang might have everything stream-related in <iostream>, and have <fstream> just include <iostream>
22:35 < Shadow> ye apparently
22:35 < Shadow> btw LostFocus is working for me
22:36 < Shadow> I just send it manually :D
22:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, that's a loose definition of "working" :p
22:36 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, I've had a few 'issues' due to newer gcc versions of the c++ library being more 'correct' in what headers define what
22:37 < sf{bed_alloc}> I'd say it's more of "you make it do its job"
22:38 < Shadow> well
22:38 < Shadow> it's enough for me ;)
22:40 < Shadow> but I think that there should be just one textedit allowed
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I think 'focus' should be handled by the form? So focus being taken by a new control immediately de-focuses the last?
22:43 < Shadow> yeach
22:43 < Shadow> btw events travel up or down the tree?
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> so LostFocus shouldn't need to be pushed explicitly by TExtEdit...
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Down the tree
22:43 < Shadow> that's wrong
22:43 < Shadow> Is it?
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> It makes sense for input events
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> they have to go down the tree to find who they belong to (based on x/y/ position?)
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> form events are just pushed into the standard event queue
22:44 < sf{bed_alloc}> I'd say "up the tree", in that any control first dispatches the event to every underlying control
22:44 < Shadow> I mean
22:44 < sf{bed_alloc}> and if it's handled, calms down
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so it goes all the way back up to Framework to re-call the EventOccurred() hnandlers?
22:44 < Shadow> it should dispatch event to parent
22:44 < Shadow> and so
22:45 < Shadow> at least that's how it's done in everything I worked in
22:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> apparently?
22:45 < Shadow> for instance
22:46 < Shadow> well
22:46 < Shadow> i must think it through, but they did it for reason "D
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I must admit I have extremely little experience with UI frameworks
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> so likely lack the experience to differentiate a "good design" from a "kinda shitty one" :P
22:50 < sf{bed_alloc}> um, JonnyH`Work, should I be worried by IMGSRV errors in my log?
22:50 < Shadow> Just blocking event on more broad control is kinda useless
22:50 < sf{bed_alloc}> 07-20 01:49:24.113 8199-8220/org.sfalexrog.openapoc E/IMGSRV: :0: RGXRetrievePartialRenderCountInFWRTData: Failed to retrieve Partial Render Count from HW RTData (191)
22:50 < Shadow> because usually most detailed control know if event was handled
22:51 < sf{bed_alloc}> 07-20 01:51:05.942 8199-8220/org.sfalexrog.openapoc E/IMGSRV: :0: FlushRenderSurface: ScheduleTA did not work properly on the attachment
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> ScheduleTA failing is a bad thing...
22:52 < sf{bed_alloc}> it happens after a keyboard shows up
22:52 < sf{bed_alloc}> or hides
22:52 < sf{bed_alloc}> (actually, hiding the keyboard looks worse)
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> what driver are you using?
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> GL_VERSION/GL_RENDERER
22:54 < sf{bed_alloc}> Version string (cut): 3.1 build 1.4@3283119
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> holy craphola 1.4
22:54  * JonnyH`Work digs through the dusty archive
22:55 < sf{bed_alloc}> I'm not sure whether it's from the official 5.0 build, 6.0 beta or a nexus player
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> well, nexus player is on 1.6...
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> do you get anything from "PVRSRVRGXGetPartialRenderCountKM" in dmesg?
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> It looks like the usermode is passing a handle for a memory buffer that doesn't exist into the kernel...
22:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> um
22:58 < sf{bed_alloc}> I grepped by PVRSRV, looks like I got a bunch of stack traces!
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> any change you can send me the logcat?
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> or tombstone or whatever has the best log :)
22:59 < sf{bed_alloc}> thing is, I'm not sure whether the stack trace is from the moment when the app glitches out or from the part when I force-close it
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> is it openapoc itself that's freezing?
23:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> looks like it
23:01 < sf{bed_alloc}> okay, it happens during normal gameplay
23:02 < sf{bed_alloc}> http://pastebin.com/1t1VAkaT
23:02 < sf{bed_alloc}> happens after opening base screen, for some reason
23:02 < sf{bed_alloc}> but does not lock up the game, it seems
23:03 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, it happens on every touch on the base screen
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> It doesn't do that on 1.6 :P
23:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, somehow I think getting drivers from nexus player and putting them into the zenfone is a BAD idea
23:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> (I believe you once said something about drivers being different for the same SOC...)
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, all the moorefield devices are the same
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> are you not running the official release?
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> CM or something?
23:08 < sf{bed_alloc}> cm13, official managed to be sluggish somehow
23:09 < sf{bed_alloc}> guess my best bet would be to go back to official and try how that works there?
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> One thing you *cannot* do is mix/match user/kernel versions
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> that specific call happens to only be requesting debug info
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> so that failing isn't "bad"
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm more worried if that fails does that mean we have some terrible state corruption somewhere?
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Or disable KHR_debug :P
23:12 < sf{bed_alloc}> why would I :p
23:13 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus we cannot write drivers that don't fuck stuff up?
23:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> um, okay, maybe I was wrong about game locking up
23:14 < Shadow> Good night!
23:14 < sf{bed_alloc}> night!
23:14 <@JonnyH`Work> ScheduleTA failing will screw up all kinda of stuff...
23:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Night Shadow 
23:15 <@JonnyH`Work> It'd be embarressing if I have to do if (GL_VENDOR == "powervr") enable_workaround();
23:15 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, at least it doesn't corrupt the image and stuff
23:15 < sf{bed_alloc}> and doesn't give me a black screen
23:16 < sf{bed_alloc}> touch coordinates are off after trying to type anything, though
23:17 < sf{bed_alloc}> but that's because we don't actually react to window resize event
23:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh my god, this is a bug I fixed!
23:18 < sf{bed_alloc}> and it should not be a problem if we restore the window (I'm trying to use immersive mode, but after showing a keyboard it won't hide the interface again)
23:18 < sf{bed_alloc}> that whole ScheduleTA thing?
23:19 <@JonnyH`Work> the debugging code calling RGXRetrievePartialRenderCountInFWRTData with f**cked up args
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, debug contexts are f**cked on 1.4
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> 1.5+ is fine
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> *sigh*
23:21 < sf{bed_alloc}> so where do we have to kick asus in order to get them to release a newer version?
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> you *might* just be able to pull it off nexus player..
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> and get vulkan for 'free'?
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> as IIRC intel release the driver to asus, and it's the 'same' core
23:26 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, that's good news)) will probably try doing something like that "soon"-ish. Anyway, if you reduce the number of vehicles (spawn 10 vehicles of each type), the game starts to be very responsive and rather fast, crankig it up to 100 gets us into the less-than-10-fps territory
23:27 <@JonnyH`Work> --enable-tracing and give me the json?
23:27 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be interesting to see why it's different to my nexus player
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23:32 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vKKJK
23:32 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a264fa7 Jonathan Hamilton: OGLES3v2 renderer: Don't use KHR_debug on Release builds...
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23:33 <@JonnyH`Work> gogo workaround!
23:33 <@JonnyH`Work> just make sure you have -DNDEBUG on android :)
23:40 < sf{bed_alloc}> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-nEU5c76PeuOUdnTjQ0QXJPcHc/view?usp=sharing
23:42 < sf{bed_alloc}> both traces are medium difficulty, at 100 scale. I'm just moving the screen around.
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> ~200 ms 'gamestate::update::vehicles" with no routing...
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, that's not ideal...
23:43 <@JonnyH`Work> the cpu generally seems maybe ~50% slower than the fugu?
23:43 <@JonnyH`Work> but still, that's 10x what it was
23:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> maybe the fugu build had less vehicles? I *think* I've commited that somewhere
23:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> https://github.com/sfalexrog/OpenApoc/blob/aaa3f72c9bee23babbf6abfb6bcb355f115dd6da/game/gamestate.cpp#L118
23:45 < sf{bed_alloc}> yup
23:46 < sf{bed_alloc}> that's what my android project references
23:46 < sf{bed_alloc}> so yeah, 10x sounds about right
23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm... I seem to remember the cityscape being 'full'...
23:47 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug* lots of opportunity for optimisations :)
23:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I love that sort of stuff, well defined limits, easily testable...
23:47 < sf{bed_alloc}> and with 10 vehicles of each variety we're just at 30 fps!
23:47 <@JonnyH`Work> but also probably pointless today as it'll probably change anyway tomorrow
23:49 < sf{bed_alloc}> (also, turning on paths grinds everything to a halt)
23:52 < sf{bed_alloc}> anyway, I'm off for the night
23:56 <@JonnyH`Work> night
23:57 <@JonnyH`Work> and yes, the paths line drawing completely kills the batching in the renderer
23:57 <@JonnyH`Work> it'll be slow on a titan x :)
23:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm off myself...
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15:54 < Shadow> hi
15:59 < Keise> hey
16:16 < Shadow> DO you experienced problems where game wouldn't mount physfs volumes?
16:16 < Shadow> like no music, etc?
16:25 < Keise> no
16:25 < Keise> haven't tested latest changes though
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16:40 < Shadow> och I se it
16:40 < Shadow> I removed OpenApoc.xproj.user from git repository
16:40 < pmprog_laptop> Hi all...
16:41 < Shadow> so default startup path got reset to /game
16:41 < Shadow> hello
16:41 < Shadow> so I cannot start game because there are no files
16:41 < Shadow> what the hell
16:42 < Keise> o/
16:43 < Shadow> well I am not sure then if I should remove that file from repo or not
16:43 < pmprog_laptop> I would have thought so, .user files are always per-developer
16:52 < Shadow> atm it is checked in
16:53 < pmprog_laptop> In the main repo?
16:55 < Shadow> ye'
16:55 < sf{bed_alloc}> https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/blob/master/game/OpenApoc.vcxproj.user
16:55 < sf{bed_alloc}> hey all
16:56 < Shadow> that way if you checkout it and build it will run
16:56 < Shadow> gigo
16:56 < Shadow> hiho
16:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> but that's probably harmless... it should set the working dir correctly (well, to the solution root)
16:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> so you'd have access to data/stuff
16:58 < Shadow> ye, but if you want set on load save
16:58 < Shadow> it prompts to commit it
16:58 < Shadow> or well any other setting
16:58 < Shadow> you may try to set
17:00 < sf{bed_alloc}> um, it's in your p/r but marked as deleted: https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/pull/75/files#diff-d13686eeeecf95cca7bcea4e77cfdfbcL1
17:00 < Shadow> because well
17:00 < Shadow> who commit user files to repository ;)
17:02 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, I guess SupSuper had his reasons? (reasons possibly being msvs allowing setting debugger work dir only in .user files)
17:02 < pmprog_laptop> or it was just overlooked on a commit
17:03 < Shadow> His commit message says explictly that he's setting work dir
17:04 < pmprog_laptop> Is it causing any actual problems?
17:04 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, deleting this file should cause some :p
17:04 < sf{bed_alloc}> openapoc.exe by default expects its data directory to be in the working dir
17:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> and msvs has other thoughts about where to put that
17:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> (probably)
17:05 < sf{bed_alloc}> like project directory (as opposed to solution directory/output path)
17:06 < Keise> I would leave it as is
17:06 < Keise> because now you can clone, press F5 and launch the thing
17:07 < sf{bed_alloc}> maybe add it to .gitignore and still have it in the repo?
17:07 < Keise> *.user files should be in the gitignore already
17:07 < Shadow> apparently you just need to --assume unchanged on it
17:32 < Shadow> you muted msvs performance warnings?
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18:32 < Keise> dunno about warnings
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19:10 < Shadow> I have lots of warnings about conversion between numeric types
19:10 < Shadow> anyway, forms library drives me nuts
19:11 < Shadow> each form has OnRender, Onbegin, OnUpdate etc.
19:11 < Shadow> and now if you don't type Controll::OnBaseFunctionName()
19:11 < Shadow> it won't be called in child function
19:11 < Shadow> no idea how to deal with it
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20:06 < pmprog_laptop> Shadow: The reason for this is so that it renders through the heirarchy in the correct order
20:06 < pmprog_laptop> What are you trying to accomplish?
20:09 < Shadow> well I would like to have on render on my controlls called ;)
20:09 < Shadow> or so on
20:09 < Shadow> not much I guess :P
20:10 < pmprog_laptop> Which control?
20:11 < Shadow> all of em
20:11 < Shadow> if you set any control as child of any other control it won't get events
20:11 < pmprog_laptop> It should still render. Rendering isn't done by events
20:11 < Shadow> ye it renders
20:11 < Shadow> but no OnUpdate method etc.
20:12 < pmprog_laptop> You have to call the form OnUpdate from the stage's OnUpdate
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20:12 < Shadow> ye, there are templates for all controls
20:12 < Shadow> however noone did em correctly and I dislike that
20:12 < pmprog_laptop> I wrote them all originally, but they've been quite heavily modified since then
20:13 < pmprog_laptop> But I'm interested to understand what you mean by "noone did em correctly"
20:13 < Shadow> each control has empty OnUpdate, OnBegin etc
20:13 < Shadow> this means that children of this control doesn
20:13 < Shadow> do not get events passed by
20:13 < Shadow> idk if all or just on update
20:13 < pmprog_laptop> Controls don't have an OnBegin?
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> Most controls don't need a specific "OnUpdate", as it just uses the base "Control::OnUpdate"
20:14 < SupSuper> hello all
20:14 < Shadow> hello
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> and what that does is run through child controls
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> hi SupSuper
20:14 < SupSuper> i see i was paged on github while i was on vacation. why does stuff only happen when i'm not around? :p
20:14 < Shadow> yes, he point is that because they aren't calling base onUpdate
20:15 < pmprog_laptop> SupSuper: :) Did you have a good holiday?
20:15 < Shadow> children of these controls got no update
20:15 < pmprog_laptop> Shadow: Urm, why isn't it called on the Stage's OnUpdate?
20:15 < Shadow> because someone who made that control forget to do it
20:16 < pmprog_laptop> But it's the stage's responsibility to activate the OnUpdate, not the controls
20:16 < pmprog_laptop> Unless I'm misunderstanding something
20:16 < Shadow> well
20:16 < Shadow> sec
20:17 < Shadow> https://github.com/ShadowDancer/OpenApoc/blob/savemanager/data/UI/SAVEMENU.XML#L21
20:18 < Shadow> as you see here
20:18 < Shadow> there is textedit in textbutton
20:18 < Shadow> and because textbutton doesn't call Control::OnUpdate()
20:18 < Shadow> textedit isn't updated, so its blinking cursor doesn't work
20:19 < pmprog_laptop> Well, yes, textbutton is a "top level" control, not a "container"
20:19 < pmprog_laptop> You can't put textboxes inside buttons in Qt, GTK or .NET Forms
20:19 < Shadow> why?
20:20 < pmprog_laptop> Because it's a button - so it handles clicks as clicking the button... If you have a textbox inside, it doesn't know if you're trying to edit, or trying to click the button
20:20 < Shadow> yet it works perfectly
20:20 < SupSuper> we do not have any general container classes besides Control itself
20:20 < Shadow> apparently it doesn't know about its limitations ;)
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> You just said it doesn't pass OnUpdates
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> That's clearly the limitation
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> It does that because it doesn't "expect" any child controls
20:21 < Shadow> it looks more like incorrect interface
20:21 < SupSuper> it probably only works because of the wedge JonnyH`Away fit into the system so everything gets events all the time
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> Yes, technically the xml loader doesn't care if it's supposed to have any children or not
20:21 < SupSuper> as opposed to hierarchy
20:22 < SupSuper> but that's another topic
20:22 < Shadow> btw'
20:22 < Shadow> in win forms I can do button in button
20:22 < Shadow> maybe you mistaken with wpf
20:22 < pmprog_laptop> Really? I can't
20:22 < pmprog_laptop> Nope, I work with WinForms every day
20:22 < SupSuper> i think it's the other way around
20:23 < Shadow> hmm och wait
20:23 < SupSuper> you can do whatever you want with wpf
20:23 < Shadow> I can od it in designer I guess
20:23 < pmprog_laptop> But the second button will be overlapped, not a child of
20:23 < SupSuper> winforms will just be a layer of handles and hacks though :p
20:23 < pmprog_laptop> Well, think about Qt then... You can't put any controls in a button object on that
20:24 < SupSuper> you can treat any winforms control handle as a parent for other controls but the results may be kinda funky
20:24 < Shadow> well
20:24 < Shadow> I guess that I could hack winforms with winapi though :)
20:24 < pmprog_laptop> Only by using WinAPI, the WinForms .NET code doesn't by default (AFAIK, but then I've never really tried)
20:25 < Shadow> but whatever
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20:25 < pmprog_laptop> But back to OpenApoc... My Forms lib was kind of based around the WinForms stuff
20:25 < pmprog_laptop> Hence why Form is a Control, just a special type of contrl
20:25 < Shadow> well winforms turned out to not be best ui lib out there ;D
20:25 < Shadow> anyway back to openapoc
20:26 < pmprog_laptop> True, but it was/is the one I am intimately familiar with
20:26 < Shadow> it just needs small overhaul to non virtual interface
20:26 < SupSuper> every ui lib should be wpf :p
20:26 < Shadow> :D
20:26 < pmprog_laptop> Why a non-virtual interface?
20:26 < Shadow> so it will be called
20:26 < pmprog_laptop> I'm not sure I'm understanding the problem
20:26 < SupSuper> anyways the ui is probably a mess because nobody can actually agree on what it should be like
20:27 < pmprog_laptop> So what will be called? The update on your TextEdit?
20:27 < pmprog_laptop> Just don't put your textedit as a child to the textbutton (which doesn't make sense anway)
20:27 < SupSuper> at least that's my experience with JonnyH`Away :)
20:27 < pmprog_laptop> You can use a Control with the same location as your text button, make it invisible, and make it visible when the button is clicked if that's what you want?
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20:28 < Shadow> well I just need augumented button
20:28 < Shadow> so I just added few labels to it
20:28 < Shadow> button because whole control needs to make clicking sound etc
20:28 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, I think one of the problems is that this UI works well for me, because I understand how to design with it (because I designed it)... but I kept it relatively styled like WinForms
20:28 < pmprog_laptop> TextEdit is not a label
20:29 < pmprog_laptop> TextEdit expects a user to input data
20:29 < pmprog_laptop> If you want labels, that should be fine
20:29 < SupSuper> i know winforms... but games are very different beasts
20:29 < Shadow> Ye, sometimes label, sometimes textedi :)
20:29 < pmprog_laptop> SupSuper: True, but UI is UI whether being game or business application (well, mostly)
20:29 < Shadow> I think games are not that different
20:30 < Shadow> unless we are talking about in game huds etc
20:30 < pmprog_laptop> TextEdit doesn't belong inside a button, they are two seperate user input controls
20:30 < SupSuper> anyways i would not use textbutton anyways because savegame list is not formatted like "buttons"
20:30 < pmprog_laptop> I've never seen anyone try and do that in a real world application
20:30 < Shadow> well
20:30 < SupSuper> i'd just use a listbox with child controls and check selection events, like JonnyH`Away did with research screen
20:31 < pmprog_laptop> If you're really insistant, make them both child to the same control, but keep their posistions, the TextEdit should draw over the button but still retain it's own events
20:31 < Shadow> okay
20:31 < Shadow> still I don't see a point
20:32 < Shadow> ordering in xml shouldn't matter
20:32 < pmprog_laptop> Well, I don't see a legitimate reason to put a text edit in a button, personally
20:32 < pmprog_laptop> That said, if you want to edit the TextButton::OnUpdate to call Control::OnUpdate, that'll do what you want
20:32 < Shadow> download my branch and check what I need to achive
20:33 < pmprog_laptop> Ordering in XML will matter if you put both controls on the same parent, but want them to render in the correct order
20:33 < Shadow> yes
20:33 < Shadow> so If I swap label and textbutton
20:33 < Shadow> people will se nothing
20:33 < Shadow> my solution is resistant to this
20:34 < pmprog_laptop> What label? we were talking about TextButton and TextEdit?
20:35 < Shadow> well I have multiple labels and textedit on clickable button
20:35 < Shadow> because when user clicks button he activates textedit
20:35 < Shadow> that's how it works in original game
20:36 < pmprog_laptop> Can I offer an alternative... Create a TextEditButton class that inherits TextButton, and add the TextEdit and Labels in the contructor and export the extra values as public
20:37 < Shadow> my button has 4 labels
20:37 < Shadow> or more
20:37 < pmprog_laptop> Or just do a TextButtonHost which implements TextButton but also calls Control::OnUpdate() on TextButtonHost::OnUpdate()
20:38 < Shadow> or maybe just make all controls call all events on all child controls?
20:38 < Shadow> what you think?
20:38 < pmprog_laptop> I think it's silly, but go ahead, I barely write any code for OpenApoc any more
20:38 < Shadow> well idk
20:39 < pmprog_laptop> Just do it, it's fine
20:39 < Shadow> you just said it's silly ;)
20:39 < pmprog_laptop> Yes, because I don't think a text edit makes sense inside a button from a UI perspective. But you seem intent on doing it
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> So, you might as well implement it
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> Let's put it this way, if you implement it - you're not going to break anything
20:40 < Shadow> ye I know
20:40 < SupSuper> my stance is "as long as it doesn't break anything" :p
20:40 < Shadow> just
20:41 < Shadow> for instance atm list box is using hack that I am using atm
20:41 < SupSuper> because we love hacking the ui as it is
20:41 < Shadow> calls base update explicite
20:41 < Shadow> so if I didn't used that hack wouldn't fix problem with need for such hack :)
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> That's not a hack
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> Because the function is virtual, you have to reimplement it, but because the Control::OnUpdate is common, it's just a standard back-call
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> so code isn't duplicated for each control
20:42 < SupSuper> yeah listbox specifically expects child controls, and even has to be aware of what happens in its children to provide general events
20:43 < SupSuper> personally i would just create my own composite control, because i love them so :p
20:43 < Shadow> ye but you say that it isn't meant for calling base on update
20:44 < pmprog_laptop> TextButton isn't, because it doesn't (normally) have child controls
20:44 < pmprog_laptop> but listbox *does* expect children, so it will
20:44 < Shadow> so maybe control class does too much?
20:44 < pmprog_laptop> No, it does the common functionality
20:44 < Shadow> it shouldn't contain child list then
20:44 < pmprog_laptop> Of course it should
20:44 < pmprog_laptop> This is the base class for each other control
20:44 < Shadow> yeach
20:44 < Shadow> but there could be another class
20:44 < Shadow> panel
20:45 < Shadow> that is implemented by form and listbox
20:45 < pmprog_laptop> You can use "Control" as a WinForms "Panel"
20:45 < Shadow> so controls inheriting parent would be allowed to have children
20:45 < pmprog_laptop> A Control class is literally just a container
20:45 < Shadow> yeach, but you say that classes inheriting it are not
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> Only user input controls
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> Ones where it's expecting to handle what the user is doing
20:46 < Shadow> still they break liskov subsitutuin principle
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> For example, if TextBUtton has focus, and you press space, it'll "click" the button
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> You can also tab through controls, but if you have a textedit inside a button, you'll confuse the events and focus
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> because both expect to handle keyboard and mouse
20:47 < Shadow> does focus work?
20:47 < pmprog_laptop> It did in my old Allegro version
20:47 < Shadow> it doesn't anymore apparently
20:48 < Shadow> sf{bed+alloc} hacked textedit for me because previous hack with double click even broken focus
20:48 < Shadow> (hackception) :D
20:49 < SupSuper> textedit has been broken for months. blame JonnyH`Away, he doesn't like ui :P
20:49 < SupSuper> here's what i remember: https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/issues/76#issuecomment-234078064
20:50 < Shadow> textedit works atm
20:50 < Shadow> "works"
20:50 < Shadow> thanks to sf{bed
20:52 < Shadow> just focus doesn't
20:52 < Shadow> so looks like UI is broken a bit
20:52 < SupSuper> it's not "broken", it's a "known issue" :p
20:52 < Shadow> ;D
20:52 < Shadow> idk how to deal with it now
20:52 < SupSuper> nobody ever cared about textedit before :D
20:52 < pmprog_laptop> I don't get this bit where everything gets events, why doesn't it just get passed to the Stage and let the Stage disseminate like it used to?
20:53 < pmprog_laptop> Moving upstairs, but I'm wired it, so I might drop, but I should be back
20:53 < Shadow> och well you see why now it makes sense to put input controls inside each other
20:53 < SupSuper> well that's my interpretation of it, i don't know the details since it was a JonnyH`Away thing :p
20:54 < Shadow> or looks like it makes sense :C
20:54 < SupSuper> a long long time ago, back when we were putting together the cityscape ui, the ui didn't like our approach of splitting up the tabs. events weren't being disseminated properly
20:55 < Shadow> well
20:55 < Shadow> why is ButtonClick fired twice?
20:56 < SupSuper> so JonnyH`Away did a thing, which fixed the tabs. and then broke a bunch of stuff. gradually he managed to unbreak it. some stuff forever stayed broken though. like the textedit and the ui preview screen and other oddities
20:56 < sf{bed_alloc}> hey SupSuper
20:56 < SupSuper> but the moral is nobody really knows how the ui events works anymore. at least i don't. it works "enough" :)
20:56 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, to be fair a couple days ago TextEdit was broken in more than one place
20:57 < Shadow> ;D
20:57 < sf{bed_alloc}> (it didn't really handle all our event wrapping shenanigans, for one)
20:57 < Shadow> idk what I shall do now then
20:57 < SupSuper> possibly, i remember i tried updating it to SDL2 but then remembered the textedit was broken anyways so kinda gave up
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20:58 < SupSuper> Shadow: well
20:58 < Shadow> to make it like pmprog said
20:58 < Shadow> we'd need something like order in xml
20:58 < SupSuper> if you can come up with an ui event system that works and makes sense, i'm all for it :)
20:58 < Shadow> well I don't wanna rewrite everything ;)
20:59 < SupSuper> yeah thats JonnyH`Away's job
20:59 < Shadow> "D
20:59 < SupSuper> i can't comment on the xml stuff. most of our ui is generated dynamically so we don't really do anything fancy with it
20:59 < Shadow> really?
20:59 < Shadow> O_o
20:59 < Shadow> shouldn't it be like
21:00 < Shadow> dynamically generating stuff based on xml snippets?
21:00 < SupSuper> well the static stuff, sure. but in listbox's case, i always populate them with composite controls in runtime
21:00 < Shadow> och
21:00 < Shadow> I took another aproach
21:00 < Shadow> I put children in em
21:00 < Shadow> then visible = false
21:01 < Shadow> and I copy child based on my needs
21:01 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away was one step ahead of me, he wrote the whole vehicle equip screen without even using listboxes, just handcoded rendering!! :p
21:01 < Shadow> och shit
21:01 < SupSuper> so yeah it's hard to find "conventions" from us :)
21:01 < Shadow> but why
21:01 < Shadow> I understand that there may be some dynamic stuff
21:02 < Shadow> but I guess that template item should be in xml, so you change font in xml uh?
21:02 < SupSuper> i guess
21:02 < SupSuper> i haven't needed to make a list of text yet
21:02 < SupSuper> you can see how ufopaedia and research do it
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21:03 < SupSuper> i'm guessing it's all code though :)
21:03 < Shadow> brb, gotta take shower
21:04 < SupSuper> i guess it's more intuitive for us to do complex stuff in code instead of constantly poking at xml
21:06 < pmprog_laptop> Sorry, what did I miss?
21:06 < SupSuper> <SupSuper> a long long time ago, back when we were putting together the cityscape ui, the ui didn't like our approach of splitting up the tabs. events weren't being disseminated properly
21:06 < SupSuper> <SupSuper> so JonnyH`Away did a thing, which fixed the tabs. and then broke a bunch of stuff. gradually he managed to unbreak it. some stuff forever stayed broken though. like the textedit and the ui preview screen and other oddities
21:06 < SupSuper> <SupSuper> but the moral is nobody really knows how the ui events works anymore. at least i don't. it works "enough" :)
21:07 < SupSuper> hey sf{bed_alloc}
21:07 < sf{bed_alloc}> um, I have a feeling I broke something in our code
21:08 < pmprog_laptop> Bah, I kinda wished it'd stayed on Allegro, I knew how it all worked... Though I haven't been here much, so I guess that wouldn't have been much help to you guys
21:09 < pmprog_laptop> The whole different projects for different parts of OA seems a bit confusing too
21:09 < pmprog_laptop> but it also kind of made sense
21:09 < sf{bed_alloc}> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-nEU5c76PeuZUExdVZlc0RBWEU/view?usp=sharing
21:10 < sf{bed_alloc}> pretty sure you're not supposed to have taxis and ufos and stuff at your disposal?
21:12 < pmprog_laptop> Is that not just for debugging?
21:12 < pmprog_laptop> Bah, I've got to go now. Hopefully be back soon, and see if I can try and help untangle UI stuff
21:12 < pmprog_laptop> Later
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21:12 < Shadow> bah
21:12 < Shadow> I gotta sleep
21:12 < Shadow> see you later
21:13 < sf{bed_alloc}> oh, that might make sense
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21:20 <@JonnyH> ...What have I broken now? :P
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21:21 < SupSuper> JonnyH: the problem is what did you break *before* :P
21:21 < SupSuper> you need to document it for all the newbies
21:21 <@JonnyH> Forms? Yeah....
21:23 <@JonnyH> I should ban myself from touching it :)
21:25 <@JonnyH> I think there was a misunderstanding how form events should work
21:25 <@JonnyH> I assumed 'all controls' that overlap a point should get an event
21:26 <@JonnyH> e.g. if you have a Label on top a Button, the Button should still get an event
21:26 < SupSuper> well hopefully i brought everyone up to speed on "you know as much as we do" :P
21:27 <@JonnyH> Which is... *shrug*
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21:29 < Shadow> Well I finished save menu
21:29 < Shadow> but idk if it fits our ui vision
21:29 <@JonnyH> Cool, we have a ui vision?
21:30 < Shadow> that's the problem I gues
21:31 <@JonnyH> I think the save screen will always be a little odd anyway
21:31 <@JonnyH> It's interacting with the os in a way the original wasn't really designed for
21:31 <@JonnyH> Back in dos days having a fixed 10 slot ui was fine
21:32 <@JonnyH> Now people probably want quicksave/autosave/six thousand ongoing games
21:32 < Shadow> save screen UI has nothing to do with os
21:32 < Shadow> everything is hidden in save manager
21:32 <@JonnyH> I mean from the design considerations
21:33 < Shadow> och
21:33 <@JonnyH> Expectations of use and doing the 'same thing' as other apps on the system
21:33 <@JonnyH> Maybe we should pop up the win32 save dialog on windows :P
21:33 < sf{bed_alloc}> that's waaaay overthinking it
21:33 < Shadow> ye, definietly
21:33 < Shadow> we have problem here because I made textedit in button
21:34 < Shadow> and pmprog says it sucks
21:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> people generally shouldn't care where their saves are as long as they can save and load them
21:34 < sf{bed_alloc}> and maybe delete old ones
21:35 < Shadow> I'm never deleting saves
21:35 < sf{bed_alloc}> and I can't really think of a game that would allow a player to save wherever he/she wants
21:36 < sf{bed_alloc}> it's usually either a flat list of saves or no saves at all ("checkpoint system")
21:50 < SupSuper> sf{bed_alloc}: people reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally care where their saves go, trust me :p
21:50 < SupSuper> not on the ui though, nobody wants a file picker save screen, no way
21:51 < SupSuper> but they do want unlimited slots and load/save/delete ui
21:51 < SupSuper> and fancy sorting
21:51 < SupSuper> that's my takeaway from openxcom :)
21:52 < sf{bed_alloc}> well, they do want to know where the save is stored, my point is that they generally don't want to specify where exactly one should store each save
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21:52 < SupSuper> right
21:52 < sf{bed_alloc}> damn, fc24 did break stuff :(
21:53 < sf{bed_alloc}> scrolling views don't work that well anymore
21:53 < sf{bed_alloc}> polari is not as good as it was before :(
22:03 < SupSuper> brb
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23:13 < SupSuper> oh boy a vs2015 hotfix, this must be serious :D
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23:41 < Keise> JonnyH: I was planning to extend the map to 120x120
23:42 < Keise> and instead of allowing negative coords to update city extractor
23:43 <@JonnyH> sure, you could tweak the extractor to 'start' at {10,10} for scenery
23:43 <@JonnyH> and buildings too I guess
23:44 < Keise> it's all driven by xml anyway
23:47 < Keise> and then 'infinite' doodad for portals
23:48 < Keise> is it reasonable to add voxels for it later on?
23:49 <@JonnyH> Sure, just make Doodad subclass that returns a non-null voxelmap
23:49 < Keise> okay
23:49 <@JonnyH> Also 'infinite' means 'repeating' too I guess
23:49 < Keise> yeah
23:50 <@JonnyH> it'll probably also be useful for 'smoke' above crashed UFOs
23:50 <@JonnyH> (plus smoke on the battlescape?)
23:51 < Keise> smoke in first two xcoms had specific TTL
23:51 < Keise> but have no idea how it works in apoc
23:51 < Keise> rarely used smoke grenades tbh
23:54 < Keise> I would leave 'GoToPortal' mission for later anyway
23:55 < Keise> as it's a lategame and we have to AI for alien dimension
23:55 < Keise> no AI*
23:56 <@JonnyH> I think it's the same as previous smoke, unless proven otherwise
23:59 < Keise> not all doodads are extracted, right?
23:59 < Keise> where can I look them up
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00:01 < Keise> by the way, Skin36 found a palette in the game code used somewhere on the cityscape during the day
00:01 <@JonnyH> They're not exactracte
00:01 <@JonnyH> they're 'manually' added in a 'patch'
00:01 <@JonnyH> There may be a big table of animations frames/timing somewhere in the .exe, but I don't know where now
00:02 <@JonnyH> I only did the couple that are already there to 'test' the doodad code
00:02 < Keise> okay
00:02 <@JonnyH> Like not all 'weapon hit' doodads are there
00:02 <@JonnyH> so they just use 'generic explosion' for now
00:02 <@JonnyH> similarly the frame timings are guessed
00:03 < Keise> I'll ask skin36
00:04 < Keise> he's very fast at finding stuff
00:04 <@JonnyH> another palette? Weird...
00:04 <@JonnyH> As the vga card can only have a single fullscreen palette at a time
00:05 <@JonnyH> and I'm pretty sure we've figured out where the city view & ui window palettes come from
00:05 <@JonnyH> Maybe there's some UI without a .pcx background somewhere?
00:09 < Keise> he couldn't figure out how exactly it's used
00:10 < Keise> probably in addition to 'main three' during the day cycle
00:11 <@JonnyH> Visually, the current fade looks 'correct'
00:11 <@JonnyH> IIRC the alien dimension doesn't 'fade'
00:11 <@JonnyH> as there's no day/night there...
00:12 <@JonnyH> Maybe it's something like the 'editor' screen? Don't remember that having a pcx
00:13 < Keise> maybe
00:13 < Keise> there is a building auction function as well
00:14 <@JonnyH> I saw that
00:15 <@JonnyH> there's all kinda of values (like 'employees' and whatnot) that seem to be used in that screen
00:15 <@JonnyH> Another of the 'many' cut features I guess :P
00:15 < Keise> room for modding :)
00:15 < Keise> one day I guess
00:16 <@JonnyH> I'm currently leaving post-1.0 features for now
00:16 <@JonnyH> unless they're 'easy', or if adding 'hooks' now makes them easier later
00:19 < Keise> SupSuper: I heard you were working on 'faster'
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00:19 < Keise> debug build for msvc
00:20 < Keise> any results in the end? :)
00:20 <@JonnyH> I improved the isRelatedTo speed
00:20 <@JonnyH> as that was doing unnecessary StateRef<> (which contain a string) copying
00:20 <@JonnyH> that was like 25% of the profile time
00:21 <@JonnyH> but I don't think anyone found some magical 'just go a bit faster but still be useful for debug' option
00:22 <@JonnyH> huh, this this is actually the 2nd hotfix since msvc2015 up3
00:22 < SupSuper> Keise: pure lies :p
00:22 <@JonnyH> ...or just didn't install it last time
00:23 <@JonnyH> as it downloaded a file with the same name as something already in my downloads folder...
00:23 < Keise> heh
00:24 < SupSuper> the only way to run debug "fast" is with the optimizations that make debug impossible in the first place so
00:25 < SupSuper> blame JonnyH :p
00:25 <@JonnyH> I blame me not using msvc to dev
00:25 <@JonnyH> so it seems rather more likely I accidently do something msvc really hates without noticing...
00:28 < SupSuper> and yeah 2015 has only had one hotfix so far. i don't get why half the updates are individual downloads either. i guess they had a falling out with the windows guys :p
00:28 < SupSuper> presumably in all their cross-platform craze they can't just rely on windows update anymore
00:29 <@JonnyH> ...but the 'cross platform' msvc is a completely different codebase?
00:29  * SupSuper shrugs
00:30 <@JonnyH> I've spoken to stl a few times and their compiler team
00:30 <@JonnyH> and it seems they're pretty separate from the 'IDE' team
00:31 < SupSuper> they all seem pretty departmental, as is microsoft tradition
00:31 <@JonnyH> The compiler guys seem pretty active 'socially'
00:31 <@JonnyH> at least they hang around in reddit.com/r/cpp
00:32 < SupSuper> i bet they get a lot of c++14 nerds in their face :p
00:32 <@JonnyH> and seem pretty sharpish responding to bugreports
00:32 <@JonnyH> Presumably they realise 'community' is important even for devs
00:33 < SupSuper> in any case i'm pretty sure 2010 or 2013 was still strictly updated via windows update and 2015 dropped it
00:33 < SupSuper> there's a lot more individual extension and product component updates as well. maybe it's all part of modularization?
00:34 < SupSuper> well i wish they'd figure out how to just download and launch silent installers from a ui, everyone else has :p
00:34 <@JonnyH> But how else can they silently install 'windows phone emulators' without you noticing if they don't have some tiny hidden default-on dialog box?
00:35 <@JonnyH> hmm.. profiling debug suggests it's death-by-a-thousand-cuts rather than any single 'simple to fix' thing
00:35 < SupSuper> oh that's my favorite because they can't silently update a component that was never installed in the first place and it just fails :p
00:37 <@JonnyH> Or the remove fails half way through
00:37 <@JonnyH> and you can never get it to remove the second half of the install...
00:39 < Keise> release msvc gave me 30% in render(), 20% in update()
00:39 < Keise> not bad
00:40 <@JonnyH> I suspect if you --enable-tracing
00:40 <@JonnyH> you'll see it's vsync limited
00:40 <@JonnyH> IE spends time 'waiting' in the first clear()/last swapBuffers()
00:40 < SupSuper> the annoying thing about profiling games is the hot spot is always gonna be the render cycle. i wonder if you can easily exclude it
00:41 <@JonnyH> ...challenge accepted
00:42 <@JonnyH> Certainly on my fugu it wasn't render limited, it spend like ~10% time in that :P
00:42 < SupSuper> well it's still gonna be the biggest % in a bunch of other really tiny %
00:42 < SupSuper> i don't like profiling :P
00:46 < Keise> oh I see 4-tile explosion doodad
00:46 <@JonnyH> big UFOs?
00:46 < Keise> probably
00:47 < Keise> but it's pretty hard to destroy one
00:48 <@JonnyH> hoo boy debug doesn't like saving games..
00:49 < SupSuper> that xml isn't serializing itself!
00:50 < Keise> dimensional portal is also there with other effects and 30 frames of animation
00:50 < Keise> (that look pretty similar to me)
00:52 < SupSuper> i don't even remember them animating
00:52 < SupSuper> aside from the always-on-animation
00:53 <@JonnyH> they just spin right?
00:54 < SupSuper> right. surely that's not worth 30 frames
00:54 < SupSuper> maybe they originally had more sparkly effects like in the intro
00:54 <@JonnyH> Like when a ufo popped out? Maybe
00:54 <@JonnyH> Perhaps they realised the chances of you staring at a portal when a ufo popped out was pretty low
00:55 < SupSuper> i'm pretty sure they rate up there in "top 10 most underwhelming representations of an alien portal"
00:55 <@JonnyH> 'Triangle in circle w/sprinkles'
00:55 < Keise> lol
00:55 <@JonnyH> are the ones on the alien side the same?
00:55 < SupSuper> "whoops we don't have the budget to do alpha blending"
00:55 <@JonnyH> Maybe then spin the other way or something :P
00:55 < Keise> I think so
00:56 <@JonnyH> alpha blending on a paletted surface? You must be mad
00:56 < SupSuper> let me tell you about tftd...
00:57 <@JonnyH> Proving my point, clearly if tftd does it, it must be mad
00:57 < SupSuper> anyways they look the same here on both dimensions
00:58  * JonnyH wonders if my profile run of '500 frames' was a little optimistic
01:10 <@JonnyH> still a bit of low hanging fruit where we can avoid copies with &references
01:14 <@JonnyH> 100 frames from 26.9s to 22.8
01:17 < SupSuper> how big are your copies when you can measure the difference??
01:18 <@JonnyH> It's more 'it was copying the StateRef<>/Pair<> 'every' vehicle update tick
01:18 <@JonnyH> a small copy
01:19 <@JonnyH> ran a million times
01:19 <@JonnyH> huehue
01:19 < SupSuper> ah yes, good old allocations in an update loop
01:19 <@JonnyH> Just removing the single std::Vector iterator in the TileView::Render
01:19 <@JonnyH> reduces it to 17.9
01:20 <@JonnyH> (doing 'for (int x = 0; x < vector.size; x++) { auto &obj = vector[x];' instead)
01:20 <@JonnyH> This is why profiling debug mode is silly
01:26 <@JonnyH> right, a few changes incoming
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01:26 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vKipH
01:26 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4272da8 Jonathan Hamilton: Don't copy StateRef in operator==/!=...
01:26 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9da06c0 Jonathan Hamilton: Avoid std::pair copying in Vehicle::findClosestEnemy...
01:26 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c392bf1 Jonathan Hamilton: Avoid using iterator in TileView::Render loop...
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01:26 <@JonnyH> the speed up the 'in game' update/render loop by ~50% on my x64/debug build
01:27 <@JonnyH> excluding init costs, save loading, pathfinding etc.
01:28 <@JonnyH> Much of the rest of the time is spent in iterators too
01:28 <@JonnyH> but they're map/set/unordered_map
01:28 <@JonnyH> so probably can't be pulled out to an int
01:28 < SupSuper> gross :p
01:29 <@JonnyH> Let me know if that's better
01:29 <@JonnyH> ...or even noticable
01:29 < SupSuper> i have never had good experiences with maps in update loops
01:29 <@JonnyH> It's still not 'fast' :P
01:30 <@JonnyH> true, it's probaly a decent idea to have a vector instead of a map for TileObjects within the tile
01:30 <@JonnyH> as they tend to be small (1-2)
01:31 <@JonnyH> and the cost of testing each is probably a lot lower than the indirection/cache misses from chasing a tree
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01:39 < SupSuper> can confirm debug in msvc is still a lost cause ;D
01:39 <@JonnyH> still working on it...
01:40 < SupSuper> i think you're poking at the wrong spot because even outside the cityspace the fps is bad. unless the cityscape is still chomping away when other screens are up...
01:40 <@JonnyH> TileView::Render is always called every frame
01:40 <@JonnyH> and that's pretty much 1/2 the time
01:40 <@JonnyH> so I expect it to be 'faster' when paused... but not fast
01:40 < SupSuper> :(
01:41 <@JonnyH> cd ..
01:41 <@JonnyH> :)
01:53 < Keise> neat
01:53 < Keise> it's much easier to click stuff now
01:54 <@JonnyH> Collision fixes?
01:54 < Keise> debug performance
01:54 < Keise> cursor still lagging but not as bad as before
01:54 <@JonnyH> well, at least someone's happy :P
01:55 < Keise> for collisions I would check if right LOFs are used
01:56 < Keise> since there is no voxel map for hovercar or bike
01:56 < Keise> and UFOs are strange
01:57 <@JonnyH> hoverbike has some weird 32x64 voxel map
01:57 <@JonnyH> Possibly rejected as I assmed 1x1 tile objects will 'always' have a 32x32 voxel layer
02:01 < Keise> yeah
02:02 < Keise> large UFOs probably have 4 lofs?
02:02 < Keise> or there is one 64[64
02:05 <@JonnyH> 64x64 iirc
02:06 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/ufodata/loftemps/150.png
02:06 <@JonnyH> for example
02:18 <@JonnyH> Think I'm going to call it an early night
02:18 <@JonnyH> Flying off tomorrow, and been struggling with a cold :(
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15:12 < Keise> hmm
15:12 < Keise> original game runs at 36 ticks per second, right?
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15:57 < shadow> I guess that openapoc runs at more
16:01 < Keise> standard 60tps
16:02 < shadow> I refactored gametime out of gamestate
16:02 < shadow> btw
16:02 < SupSuper> well i think the internal game timer is clamped at whatever speed the original ran at
16:03 < SupSuper> at least i remember JonnyH looking into that at some point
16:03 < Keise> we use original delays, for weapons for example
16:03 < Keise> so 12 should give 3 shots per seconds, but now it's a mess :)
16:04 < Keise> note to self to clean it up
16:04 < SupSuper> at least it's not like x-com where it was "cpu-based" so everyone felt differently so we just gave them a slider :p
16:04 < Keise> heh
16:05 < SupSuper> you can't fight preconceptions with facts
16:06 < Keise> also time controls, first button should advance at 1/2 speed, second is actual realtime
16:06 < Keise> now it's a 1x, 2x
16:07 < SupSuper> fast-forward is stubbed out as well
16:08 < Keise> ultra speed? it seems alright
16:09 < SupSuper> well in the original it's not so much a "speed multiplier" as "skip ahead to the next event"
16:10 < SupSuper> since you can't use it while stuff is going on
16:11 < Keise> yea, but I like how smooth it is now
16:41 < Keise> okay I get the source of confusion
16:41 < Keise> weapon ranges are x2 in the data, but we should leave them as it is
16:41 < Keise> for calculations
16:42 < Keise> and only /2 when it's displayed in the UI (in meters)
16:44 < Keise> and then 'tick_scale' feels iffy cause it's works for 36 tps
16:44 < Keise> cleanup time tonight :)
16:47 < Keise> any ideas how 'turn_rate' for missiles work?
16:47 < Keise> shouldn't be a delay since more = faster turns
16:47 < SupSuper> nope, we haven't seen it actually used anywhere in the code
16:48 < Keise> so it's a same rate for all missiles?
16:48 < SupSuper> well in practice every missile seems to home the same?
16:49 < Keise> probably
16:49 < Keise> have to look at it again..
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19:27 < Keise> turn rate is used in fact
19:27 < Keise> but this function is a mess
19:27 < Keise> там полюбому точно�ть тоже где-то е�ть
19:27 < Keise> http://pastebin.com/6iDh6brX
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19:53 < Shadow_> what is that
19:53 < Shadow_> O_o
19:54 < SupSuper> cydonia
19:55 < Keise> looks like it's homing projectiles
19:55 < Keise> it calculates target position and then madness starts
19:57 < Shadow_>  SupSUper
19:57 < Shadow_> do you know how arming things works?
19:57 < Shadow_> I mean equip screen?
19:58 < SupSuper> you mean equip vehicle?
19:58 < Shadow_> ye
19:58 < SupSuper> i think vehicles just have a list of vequipment?
19:58 < SupSuper> or are you asking something else
19:59 < Shadow_> are there any quirks that I need to take care of?
20:00 < SupSuper> i don't think so. you can check what the vequipscreen does when you drag something on/off
20:00 < Keise> it worked well when I hacked stuff around
20:00 < Shadow_> ok then
20:00 < SupSuper> but i think vequipment just covers everything and then the game logic just figures out what to do with it based on the various types
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20:00 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away is the brains of the operation :p
20:01 < Keise> it's even possible to equip ufos if you disable error msg :)
20:01 < Shadow_> How can I spawn ufo?
20:01 < Keise> you should have some at the base?..
20:02 < Keise> there's no AI for aliens or UFO missions yet
20:02 < Shadow_> och
20:02 < Shadow_> I was scared of touching em
20:02 < Shadow_> as some vehiciles crash the game
20:02 < Keise> ground vehicles are not implemented
20:02 < Shadow_> hmm, why all ufos
20:03 < Shadow_> gain hp gradually>
20:03 < Shadow_> ?
20:03 < Keise> shield
20:03 < Shadow_> och
20:03 < Shadow_> true,
20:03 < Keise> they have all equip by default
20:03 < Shadow_> this ui is so poor
20:04 < Shadow_> well I cannot equip ufo as it's constantly giving errors
20:05 < Keise> that's what I said
20:05 < Keise> try to press esc for now
20:06 < Keise> have to comment it out
20:06 < Keise> but other stuff should work for them
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20:16 < Shadow_> btw, will mods load dlls?
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20:29 < SupSuper> that sounds like hell in c++ :p
20:30 < Shadow_> ye I wonder how vehicle screen could be extended
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20:32 < Shadow_> Can't really do that in xml only
20:32 < Shadow_> as it needs events and stuff
20:33 < Keise> scripts?
20:33 < Shadow_> looks like game would have to be rewritten in lua then ;)
20:34 < SupSuper> don't give JonnyH`Away ideas :p
20:34 < SupSuper> he'd come up with a brand new scripting language by the end of it
20:36 < Keise> lol
20:45 < Shadow_> but you say
20:45 < Shadow_> dll in cpp is problem, really?
20:46 < Shadow_>  world is so cruel..
20:48 < Keise> there's rarely need for big code changes
20:49 < Keise> and when it's needed you can just fork the project and write it up
20:50 < Keise> I always thought that dlls is just work around for closed source
21:18 < SupSuper> c++ is really nasty for runtime cross-platform binding
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21:38 <@JonnyH> hmm... writing our own scripting language, you say....
21:38 <@JonnyH> There's no real 'difference' between any ufo, buyable vehicle or civilian-only vehicles in the data
21:39 <@JonnyH> other than ufo/civilian vehicles referring to .pcx files that don't exist
21:39 <@JonnyH> hence the error when trying to load the background
21:40 <@JonnyH> Oh, and at least one civilian vehicle actualy has 'overlapping' equipment...
21:44 < Keise> UFOs should have it too..
21:51 < SupSuper> yeah x-com has never cared for the logistics of non-player units
22:06 <@JonnyH> I guess I'll either need to add 'placeholder' backgrounds/vhicle icons
22:06 <@JonnyH> or just ban xcom from owning them
22:07 < SupSuper> don't we have a placeholder X
22:07 < SupSuper> i doubt equipping npc vehicles is gonna become a feature
22:37 <@JonnyH> Anyway, I'm off, have a good evening
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00:03 < Keise> "i doubt equipping npc vehicles is gonna become a feature" all you have to do is provide 'equipment_screen' in the xml
00:05 < SupSuper> right i don't think you need to hack the existing vehicles not meant for player consumption
00:44 < Keise> there was a fun megapol mode
00:44 < Keise> where you manufacture police cars and fight x-com
00:45 < Keise> just as an example
00:53 < Keise> ah, by the way I managed to land this huge 2x2 battleship on top of the school building
00:53 < Keise> in original
00:54 < SupSuper> rip orphan school
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01:54 < Keise> portals are on the map
01:54 < Keise> hype hype
01:59 < SupSuper> finally the sparkly pyramids are here!
02:05 < Keise> now I can simulate some alien activity
02:07 < Keise> oh wow looks like rng is not seeded on game start
02:18 < SupSuper> i think JonnyH`Away intentionally set the RNG with a fixed seed to make it easier to develop for now
02:20 < SupSuper> kinda hard to debug vehicle interaction if the random circumstances only happen once
02:23 < Keise> okay, makes sense
02:23 < SupSuper> maybe he should actually document these things sometime... wink wink nudge nudge
02:24 < Keise> I'll add favourite // FIXME
02:29 < SupSuper> we boast a proud 100 FIXMEs to 1 line of code ratio
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03:57 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 735e226 Ivan Shibanov: Dimensional portals
03:57 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7fdfee0 Ivan Shibanov: Fix range calculation
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17:41 < iamasandwich> howdy openapoc-ers
17:41 < iamasandwich> lots of great stuff going in to git!
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18:09 < Shadow_> hi
18:10 < pmprog_laptop> hi
18:10 < Shadow_> so what about that gui?
18:11 < pmprog_laptop> what about it?
18:11 < Shadow_> well
18:11 < Shadow_> it's kinda broken now
18:11 < Shadow_> where it should go?
18:11 < pmprog_laptop> oh yeah
18:12 < pmprog_laptop> I don't know
18:12 < Shadow_> me neither
18:12 < Shadow_> but apparently you're expert ;)
18:12 < pmprog_laptop> I thought you were going to update textbutton to send updates to child controls?
18:12 < pmprog_laptop> I was - when it was the allegro version :)
18:12 < Shadow_> display library doesn't really matter, does it?
18:13 < pmprog_laptop> Well, apparently a lot of things changed when OA moved from allegro to SDL, including the events system
18:13 < Shadow_> so let's fix it
18:13 < pmprog_laptop> Can you not just make a "composite" control like SupSuper suggested yesterday?
18:14 < Shadow_> and I'll make composite control everytime I need to put something inside something?
18:14 < Shadow_> don't like that idea
18:14 < pmprog_laptop> No, only when you want to go against standard UI design
18:14 < pmprog_laptop> TextEdits should never be inside TextButtons
18:15 < Shadow_> I am not sure if putting control inside button is going aganist ui design
18:15 < Shadow_> if it is then design needs to change, because we have such requirements I guess
18:15 < pmprog_laptop> I completely disagree
18:16 < pmprog_laptop> Buttons should never host other controls... It doesn't make sense to
18:16 < Shadow_> well
18:16 < pmprog_laptop> There is, however, no reason you couldn't "overlap" related controls
18:16 < pmprog_laptop> Without it being a "child"
18:17 < SupSuper> Shadow_: why not just put them all inside a Control container instead?
18:17 < SupSuper> well i don't know if xml recognizes raw Controls
18:17 < pmprog_laptop> It does
18:17 < pmprog_laptop> Or at least it did when I wrote it
18:17 < pmprog_laptop> <control>
18:18 < SupSuper> alright
18:18 < Shadow_> I need textbox to pass events to textedit
18:18 < Shadow_>  click sound, shinning etc.
18:18 < pmprog_laptop> In fact, I'm pretty sure I use <control> for the border in the main menu screen
18:18 < SupSuper> anyways Shadow_ you're basically arguing about something that there is no convention for, so i would suggest just picking one and then we can figure out later which convention is best
18:18 < pmprog_laptop> You can handle FormInteraction->MouseClick to code a button click sound
18:18 < SupSuper> lest you get stuck for a week on a button
18:18 < Shadow_>  it's ready
18:19 < Shadow_>  waiting for mereg
18:19 < pmprog_laptop> Can I offer a different idea? Rather than type the name into the button area once clicked, how about a pop up window that details game information and gives you space to enter a game name
18:20 < SupSuper> currently the conventions are 1. JonnyH`Away doesn't care for UI, 2. i ask JonnyH`Away, he doesn't care for UI, so i just go with whatever "makes sense to me", 3. whatever someone already did before :p
18:21 < SupSuper> in any case i don't think there's a practical difference between "textedit is child of textbutton" vs "textedit and textbutton are child of some other container" as long as the draw order still matches
18:21 < Shadow_> well
18:21 < Shadow_> there is no conncept of draworder atm
18:21 < pmprog_laptop> it's the xml order, unless somebody's changed it?
18:21 < Shadow_> just luck
18:21 < Shadow_> ye
18:22 < SupSuper> right
18:22 < SupSuper> so a <control><textbutton/><textedit/></control> would work the same as a <textbutton><textedit/></textbutton>
18:22 < Shadow_> adding one would be a solid oslutioon I guess
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21:13 < Keise> o/
21:14 < Keise> finally it's a weekend
21:46 < Keise> Shadow_: what do you mean by 'precompute spacing for vehicile'?
21:49 < Shadow_> you put additional vector of available space in tile
21:49 < Shadow_> and ship can move only if space >= size
21:55 < Keise> ah, alright
21:57 < Keise> we have voxel maps for scenery and vehicles
21:57 < Keise> so there was an idea to calculate based to those
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12:38 < shadow_> hi
12:40 < shadow_> JonnyH: can you take a look on my pull request?
13:08 <@JonnyH> I'll have a look this afternoon
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14:31 <@JonnyH> shadow_: Generally looks good to me
14:32 <@JonnyH> a few comments, and it'll need to be rebased against master due to a (small) merge conflict
14:34 < shadow_> okay, will take some time to fix it
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11:08 <@JonnyH> hey pmprog 
11:08 <@pmprog> Morning there JonnyH. How's things?
11:08 <@JonnyH> Alright, landed in the UK, only just got up
11:08 <@JonnyH> Not yet found a good way of dealing with the time difference, and never been able to sleep on planes...
11:09 <@pmprog> Yeah, jet lag is a bitch
11:10 <@pmprog> Got much planned for your holidays?
11:10 <@JonnyH> And I'm sorry if I keep trying to avoid any real work on the openapoc forms framework :)
11:10 <@JonnyH> It's more I feel like I don't really know what a 'good UI api' looks like
11:10 <@pmprog> You don't need to apologise
11:11 <@JonnyH> I do feel like I  may have jumped in to solve a single specific issue, not really 'got' what was going on, and kinda broke 2 things when fixing the 1 other :P
11:12 <@pmprog> Sup mentioned you changed things so everything got events or something, but I didn't really understand what he was saying
11:13 <@JonnyH> Yeah, the issue was overapping controls, specifically in the city UI we have 2 forms on the same screen that overlap
11:13 <@JonnyH> that do the 'changing' bit of the current tab, and another form that does the buttons on the side
11:13 <@JonnyH> That may have ended up being a bad idea :)
11:14 <@pmprog> Hmmm, why didn't you use several "controls" and change visibility based on the "tab" buttons?
11:14 <@JonnyH> there would be a *lot* of controls...
11:14 <@pmprog> I guess
11:14 <@JonnyH> Or does having a single 'non-visible' parent Control hide all it's children?
11:14 <@pmprog> Correct
11:14 <@pmprog> If you hide the parent control, nothing beneath it shows
11:14 <@JonnyH> Might have been a better idea :P
11:15 <@pmprog> it's hirarchicle
11:15 <@pmprog> or wahtever
11:15 <@pmprog> bah keyboard
11:15 <@JonnyH> but I didn't really know that was possible/a good idea anyway
11:15 <@JonnyH> a tree? :P
11:15 <@pmprog> yes
11:15 <@pmprog> I kinda wished I'd been able to sort more UI out
11:16 <@JonnyH> Or document it P
11:16 <@JonnyH> Though I can't say *anything* about that sort of thing...
11:17 <@pmprog> Well, as my API is kind of based on .NET WinForms, I thought it'd be pretty easy... but ShadowDancer said he does WinForms (or was it WPF), and found it confusing
11:17 <@pmprog> But then he was trying to put a textedit inside a textbutton, which to me, doesn't make sense
11:19 <@pmprog> because that means you won't be able to "click" the textbutton as all clicks will filter down to the textedit
11:19 <@pmprog> (apart from what little margin is added around it)
11:22 <@pmprog> Really feel like I need to dive back in and try and sort out some of the UI stuff, but I'm in a shit mood and feel miserable
11:25 <@JonnyH> I think with like an 'active' flag (IE when disabled it's visible but doesn't take events) would ork
11:25 <@JonnyH> as you only ever wany either the button or textedit to be click-able at any time, not both
11:25 <@JonnyH> IE you click the button, then that 'activates' the TextEdit
11:26 <@JonnyH> and disables the Button
11:26 <@JonnyH> In original apoc I think once active it's modal, can't no anything until you enter the name and press return / cancel with escape
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11:30 <@pmprog> There's no reason that the name entry couldn't actually be a different form or even stage where that's it's only role. Could always PreviousStage->Render() so it looks like it appears on top of the button if that's still desired
11:30 <@JonnyH> Yeah, not sure what the UI 'should' be
11:31 <@JonnyH> but if de-selecting the TextEdit is the same as 'confirming the name and saving the game' that might be a bit unexpected...
11:31 <@JonnyH> Maybe putting up a dialog box with ok/cancel would be a more 'expected' behaviour
11:32 <@JonnyH> But then again, my idea of 'good ux' is vim
11:32 <@JonnyH> so I clearly can't be trusted with such things :)
11:33 <@pmprog> I've been building UI applications for 15 years, and I still think most of mine look like crap
11:37 <@JonnyH> 'looking fancy' != 'usable' :P
11:38 <@JonnyH> see: half the animcation-heavy nice looking but impossible to figure out websites
11:41 <@pmprog> Yeah, but there's looking fancy and looking awful... Some of mine are really bad. Others aren't too bad
11:41 <@pmprog> but yes, sometimes "style" gets in the way of usability
11:42 <@pmprog> Hell, have you used MS Office 2013/15 or whatever it is
11:42 <@pmprog> It's atrocious
11:42 <@pmprog> Trying to get a save dialogue up takes about 5 clicks, where it used to be 2 or Ctrl+S
11:44 <@JonnyH> You've thrown away 10 years of experience on 'how Windows UI works'
11:45 <@pmprog> No, it's been taken from me by Microsoft
11:45 <@pmprog> Then spent nearly two decades building up this approach, then in the last couple of years went "urm, you know what, let's changed *evvverrrryyything**"
11:45 <@pmprog> *change even
11:46 <@JonnyH> twice with metro etc.
11:46 <@pmprog> The ribbons! Gah!
11:48 <@pmprog> I can understand metro on mobile phones, because you need large touch areas for capacitive touch screens, but on desktop
11:49 <@JonnyH> I think their 'one platform for mobile/desktop' isn't a good idea
11:49 <@pmprog> I'm just gutted that Starcraft 2 still doesn't have a native Linux build
11:49 <@JonnyH> as a "Good Touch UI" is quite a bit different to "Productive mouse/keyboard UI"
11:49 <@JonnyH> which still really is MS' bread and butter
11:49 <@pmprog> aye
11:49 <@pmprog> well, was :)
11:50 <@JonnyH> It's the 'reason' all laptops ship with windows
11:50 <@JonnyH> if you 'just' use small apps and a browser, save $50 and drop on a linux
11:51 <@pmprog> I'm disappointed in linux on laptops. Don't know if it's just the ones I've owned, but the battery life seems to drain a lot quick than it did on windows; plus also on my current one, half the "Fn+" keys don't work, but others do
11:52 <@JonnyH> Yeah, it's pretty hit-and-miss
11:52 <@JonnyH> I actually got a kill-a-watt the other day
11:52 <@JonnyH> and tested my (lenovo) laptop on linux/windows
11:52 <@JonnyH> idle windows/linux was pretty much the same power use
11:53 <@JonnyH> but I know my previous laptop had a few issues on linux :P
11:53 <@JonnyH> Half the problem is the defaults are 'wrong' - if you run powertop on linux it'll show half the drivers with power-management defaulting to 'off'
11:56 <@pmprog> The other half is that people like me have never heard of powertop
11:56 <@JonnyH> You shouldn't have to imho...
11:57 <@pmprog> Oh, and if I try to copy xcom's iso over this laptops wifi, it kills the network and I have to reboot
11:57 <@JonnyH> :P
11:57 <@pmprog> yet it can stream youtube for ages
11:58 <@JonnyH> Yeah, like I paid slightly more to get the 'intel AGN wifi' option
11:58 <@JonnyH> as I *know* that will work well on linux
11:58 <@JonnyH> (and did fancy 2x2 ac... which I don't use)
11:59 <@JonnyH> same reason I but radeon not geforce
12:00 <@JonnyH> as I know it'll work 'out the box'
12:00 <@JonnyH> (may only get 90% speed with the open drivers, but also debugging graphics issues with *full driver source code* is wonderful :)
12:01 <@JonnyH> hell, even the switchable graphics work perfectly fine with just the open-source drivers on this
12:05 <@pmprog> Okay, my laptop says 9W and expected to run out in 3 hours according to powertop
12:05 <@JonnyH> seems alright to me?
12:05 <@JonnyH> Though if you open chrome it'll probably halve that :P
12:05 <@pmprog> Tunables - "Bad Wireless Powersaving for interface wlan0"
12:06 <@pmprog> What's NMI watchdog?
12:06 <@pmprog> It says I should turn it off
12:06 <@JonnyH> It's like a driver debugging feature, if the kernel doesn't do *anything* for a time it'll dump a backtrace and panic
12:06 <@JonnyH> but it does that with a regular timer tick, causing the cpu to wake up every now and then to check stuff is still working
12:07 <@pmprog> Wow, seems like it's not easy to turn off -- https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=159733
12:08 <@pmprog> VM writeback timeout?
12:08 <@JonnyH> It might make no difference, may as well use powertop itself (the tunables switch with 'space') and check the power usage
12:08 <@JonnyH> VM writeback timeout is the time between writing to an mmap'd file and it actually being flushed to disk
12:09 <@JonnyH> so longer values mean lower disk use as it's more likely to be able to batch up multiple ops
12:09 <@JonnyH> but if the system dies you might get more 'stale' data
12:09 <@JonnyH> there's a program called 'laptop mode' that can set many of these things in an init script
12:09 <@pmprog> yeah, just noticed powertop can make the config
12:10 <@JonnyH> depending on the distro it might be useful
12:10 <@JonnyH> powertop's not persistent though, you reboot and it'll lose the state
12:10 <@JonnyH> but it's good for testing
12:10 <@JonnyH> It might be that there's 1 or 2 settings that make a real difference
12:10 <@JonnyH> and everything else doesn't
12:11 <@pmprog> just installed laptop-mode-tools
12:12 <@pmprog> For some reason, they say tyou need to reboot several times... Not sure why it'd need more than one reboot really
12:12 <@JonnyH> huh... no idea
12:12 <@JonnyH> shouldn't need to reboot at all actually
12:13 <@JonnyH> laptop-mode also has a config file where you can setup differences between AC/battery power etc.
12:14 <@pmprog> http://askubuntu.com/questions/180712/how-to-enable-laptop-mode
12:15 <@pmprog> hmmm, it links to this question -- http://askubuntu.com/questions/172391/is-laptop-mode-tools-still-relevant-for-12-04-and-the-3-x-kernels
12:16 <@JonnyH> Yeah, it's a bit trial and error
12:16 <@JonnyH> it might be all the 'useful' options are already set
12:16 <@JonnyH> The issue is that $LAPTOP_VENDOR has already tested and probably set this up for windows
12:17 <@JonnyH> but not for linux
12:17 <@pmprog> hmm, the "Laptop Mode Tools Configuration Tool" doesn't actually load :(
12:17 <@JonnyH> pff
12:18 <@pmprog> Wow, just doing those manual changes in powertop has brought power from 10w to 7.9w!
12:19 <@JonnyH> 20% more battery life ain't bad...
12:19 <@pmprog> If laptop-mode doesn't sort this, I might remove and try and apply these in my .profile
12:19 <@JonnyH> Though 'long idle' may exaggurate those compared to actually using the machine
12:20 <@JonnyH> IIRC powertop is 'officially' maintained still
12:20 <@JonnyH> while laptop-mode isn't
12:20 <@JonnyH> so 'new' options only be usable through powertop
12:21 <@pmprog> I'll remove laptop-mode; as when you tunable, it gives you the command line, so I can copy it out
12:22 <@pmprog> got to nip away for a bit
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12:22 <@JonnyH> isn't there a 'powertop --enable-everything'?
12:22 <@pmprog_afk> --auto-tune
12:22 <@pmprog_afk> yes
12:24 <@pmprog_afk> now I just have to remember how to add powertop to sudoers
12:27 <@pmprog_afk> fuck, I've broken sudo
12:27 <@pmprog_afk> how do I fix this?
12:28 <@JonnyH> My sudoers has '%sudoers ALL=(ALL) ALL'
12:28 <@JonnyH> which allows anyone in the 'sudoers' group access
12:29 <@pmprog_afk> I hate linux sometimes
12:30 <@JonnyH> :P
12:30 <@pmprog_afk> I can't even run sudo
12:30 <@pmprog_afk> it just errors with a parse error
12:30 <@JonnyH> Then you probably screwed up the syntax somewhere...
12:30 <@JonnyH> I guess it's one problem with text-configs
12:31 <@pmprog_afk> I did "ALL ALL = NOPASSWD:powertop"
12:32 <@JonnyH> think that should be:
12:33 <@JonnyH> powertop ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
12:33 <@pmprog_afk> Why? That's not what this says -- http://askubuntu.com/questions/159007/how-do-i-run-specific-sudo-commands-without-a-password
12:33 <@pmprog_afk> "user host = (root) NOPASSWD: /home/someuser/bin/"
12:33 <@JonnyH> Oh, I thought you had a user called 'powertop' that was running the init :P
12:33 <@pmprog_afk> no I want to grant sudo to the program powertop
12:34 <@pmprog_afk> without needing a password
12:34 <@pmprog_afk> regardless of who sudos it
12:34 <@pmprog_afk> Thankfully this helped me "undo" it -- pkexec visudo -f /etc/sudoers.d/shutdown
12:35 <@JonnyH> ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: powertop
12:36 <@pmprog_afk> Nope, that doesn't work
12:36 <@JonnyH> yeah...
12:36 <@JonnyH> BTW you should 'always' use visudo to editor sudoers
12:36 <@JonnyH> as it checks syntax and makes sure the permissions are correct
12:37 <@pmprog_afk> but it still doesn't tell me the bloody syntax
12:37 <@JonnyH> Oh, it needs an absolute path
12:38 <@pmprog_afk> Ah
12:38 <@pmprog_afk> Riiight... Now we're getting somewhere
12:38 <@pmprog_afk> Because the MintUpdate was just "ALL ALL = NOPASSWD:UPDATE"
12:39 <@JonnyH> ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/powertop
12:39 <@JonnyH> 'sudo powertop' then works from my user
12:39 <@JonnyH> check your distro puts it in the same path though
12:39 <@pmprog_afk> have done
12:40 <@pmprog_afk> and yes, it seems to be okay now
12:40 <@pmprog_afk> i better go down and see my wife and child. so much for having a "me day" :(
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12:41 <@pmprog_afk> hmmm, just rebooted and run powertop and they're all still listed as bad
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12:46 <@JonnyH> :(
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16:33 < Shadow> hi
16:33 < Shadow> JonnyH: nice that you had time to look at that code
16:34 <@JonnyH> Hi
16:34 <@JonnyH> no problem
16:34 <@JonnyH> I might try to add a -fsanitize pass to the tests
16:35 <@JonnyH> and a test that does something like save game / load game / assert loaded == saved
16:35 < Shadow> ye I guess
16:35 <@JonnyH> Also, on the save form the name overlaps with the time?
16:35 < Shadow> if you type really long one?
16:35 <@JonnyH> not really :P
16:36 <@JonnyH> i'll post a screenshot..
16:36 < Shadow> would be nice
16:36 < Shadow> I have some questions about member initialization
16:36 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/openapoc-overlapping-save-names.png
16:37 <@JonnyH> the names are 'save2' 'save1' and something like 'sdasdasdasd' or wahtever :P
16:37 <@JonnyH> not particulatly long
16:37 < Shadow> och
16:37 < Shadow> on my system there's no "sat jul"
16:37 <@JonnyH> It might be my locale
16:37 < Shadow> derp
16:37 <@JonnyH> Maybe there's a 'short' version?
16:37 <@JonnyH> Or read back the length and offset accordingly?
16:37 < Shadow> I'll take look
16:38 <@JonnyH> If you have a locale that is sooooo long with the date you get no save name it's your own fault :P
16:38 <@JonnyH> Ok, initialisers?
16:38 < SupSuper> yeah you have to be careful fetching locale-dependant stuff
16:38 < Shadow> xmlserialization archive has
16:38 < Shadow> 	std::map<UString, xml_document> docRoots;
16:39 < Shadow> it is not initialized without constructor right?
16:39 < Keise> hey
16:39 <@JonnyH> std::map<> has a default constructor that creates an empty map
16:39 < Shadow> hi
16:39 < Shadow> ye but it is member field
16:39 <@JonnyH> only 'base types' (int, unsigned int, float, bool) lack constructors IIRC
16:40 < Shadow> gosh
16:40 < SupSuper> you can always use a custom date format: https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/src/Engine/CrossPlatform.cpp#L735
16:40 < Shadow> so I need to initialize just primitive types?
16:40 < SupSuper> yes
16:40 < Shadow> ok
16:40 < Keise> JonnyH: I remember you linked your server once with extracted images but can't find it
16:40 < Shadow> SupSuper: but in some parts of the world people use / for date separator, others write mm-dd-yyyy
16:41 <@JonnyH> Keise: http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/
16:41 <@JonnyH> real people do day before month
16:41 <@JonnyH> or ISO yyyymmdd
16:41 < Shadow> ;)
16:41 < SupSuper> Shadow: it's a iso standard, people can just cope :p
16:41 < Shadow> Afaik whole USA doesn't cope :P
16:42 <@JonnyH> Shadow: indeed they don't
16:42 < SupSuper> plus 320x200 doesn't afford us anything else
16:42 < Shadow> I'll figure out something
16:42 < SupSuper> if you do wanna use locale then yeah pretty much assume any text can take up 250% the space it normally does
16:42 < Shadow> well in c# they handled it nicely
16:42 <@JonnyH> Or german comes along and concatinates all the words so you can't wrap or something...
16:43 <@JonnyH> boost::locale has lots of functions for stuff like that
16:43 <@JonnyH> Might be useful
16:43 <@JonnyH> TBH if we've sold out souls to boost
16:43 <@JonnyH> may as well use it :)
16:43 <@JonnyH> similarly I might push the UString::format/Log* format strings to the type-safe boost::format versions
16:44 < SupSuper> i thought they already did?
16:44 < Shadow> why not use cpp formats?
16:44 <@JonnyH> not Log*
16:44 <@JonnyH> maybe UString::format?
16:44 < Shadow> i mean streams or something
16:45 < SupSuper> streams are garbage :p
16:45 < Shadow> och
16:45 < Shadow> I thought they're awesome ;D
16:45 < Shadow> maybe because of bitshift operator
16:45 < SupSuper> they look nicer but they're more limited than format
16:46 < SupSuper> you can't localize them for example
16:46 < Shadow> really?
16:46 <@JonnyH> streams don't translate
16:46 < Shadow> you mean?
16:46 <@JonnyH> You can replace "Cannot {1,verb} the {2,pleural}!"
16:46 <@JonnyH> but not "Cannot"
16:46 <@JonnyH> "the"
16:46 <@JonnyH> which is what streams expand to
16:46 < Shadow> ocj
16:46 < Shadow> well
16:47 < Shadow> that sucks I guess
16:47 <@JonnyH> And genrally format strings are nice, if you want to output decimal/hex/whatever
16:47 < Shadow> there's no some magic template
16:48 <@JonnyH> same with precision/padding is easier than a std::fill("0")<<std::align(whatever)<<var<<undo_fill<<undo_align
16:48 < Shadow> where you may write format string that later is sliced and pushed with stream?
16:48 <@JonnyH> Shadow: I think that's pretty much what boost::format does?
16:48 < Shadow> och idk
16:48 < Shadow> it would be great then
16:49 <@JonnyH> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_56_0/libs/locale/doc/html/localized_text_formatting.html
16:49 <@JonnyH> is the docs for the 'localisation enabled' version of boost:format
16:50 < SupSuper> note that boost::format and boost::locale::format use different conventions
16:50 < SupSuper> because boost is wonderful and not at all confusing :p
16:50 <@JonnyH> :P
16:50 <@JonnyH> Prefer the locale version
16:50 <@JonnyH> as we can magically extract that to gettext and push to the translation service
16:50 < Shadow> I guess that just one format was too mainstream
16:50 < SupSuper> yeah but it doesn't have padding!
16:50 < SupSuper> because... reasons
16:51 < SupSuper> i do prefer {0} {1} rather than %s %d %fdkfgmdgofdkgofd
16:51 <@JonnyH> You can do both, which is nice
16:52 <@JonnyH> and you need the {} vesions to give locale 'hints' (like pleurals on arguments, if it's a date or whatever)
16:55 <@JonnyH> But we'll probably try to move over in one step
16:55 <@JonnyH> so keep using the 'same' conventions as the rest of the code for now
16:55 < SupSuper> i don't think apocalypse has many fancy strings anyways
16:55 < SupSuper> since they went with an icon interface :p
16:56 <@JonnyH> they also 'localised' it by rebuilding the .exe
16:56 <@JonnyH> so could do locale-speciic stuff 'in code'
16:59 < Shadow> one more question: http://pastebin.com/4NzmvFqg
16:59 < Shadow> why namespace on filesystem_error and rename is required
16:59 < Shadow> but on exists and remove_all it's not?
17:00 < Shadow> can't find it
17:02 <@JonnyH> which file is that?
17:02 <@JonnyH> the namespace lookup rules in c++ are worryingly complex :P
17:02 < Shadow> tooling highlights it
17:03 < Shadow> in across all ny files
17:03 < SupSuper> there might be an using but we still specified the namespace sometimes because we're used to it???
17:03 < SupSuper> is there any "using namespace fs"
17:03 < Shadow> it
17:03 < Shadow> using namespace fs = boost::something
17:03 < SupSuper> well
17:03 < SupSuper> magic
17:03 <@JonnyH> hmm.. at first glance I think exists and remove_all should need fs:: too...
17:04 < Shadow> mee too
17:04 < Shadow> compiles though
17:04 <@JonnyH> on msvc?
17:04 <@JonnyH> And gcc?
17:04 < Shadow> msvc
17:04 < Shadow> i'll try gcc
17:04 <@JonnyH> Sometimes you have to be a bit careful msvc isn't trying to be 'helpful' :P
17:05 < Shadow> well class enums have to be specified explicite too?
17:05 <@JonnyH> there are some places they don't have to be (switches on the type IIRC, maybe some others?)
17:06 <@JonnyH> It might loopup the function in the 'argument type' namespace if the initial lookup fails or something
17:07 < Shadow> ok so should I type namespaces eveywhere
17:07 < Shadow> or may I skip em?
17:07 <@JonnyH> probably keep them
17:07 <@JonnyH> If we 'add' an OpenApoc::exists() function or something it'll magically start breaking
17:09 <@JonnyH> Though at this point, if it works in msvc & gcc, that's all we need anyway
17:10 < SupSuper> what if a crazy forth compiler comes along???
17:10 < SupSuper> made by... uh... gaben
17:10 <@JonnyH> then we're ok, as we're written in c++ not forth
17:10 <@JonnyH> We should totally throw everything away and rewrite in Rust or something anyway :P
17:11 <@JonnyH> clang tries to be gcc 'extension compatible'
17:11 <@JonnyH> though ubuntu clang falls down as the ubuntu guys have decided to build it against a rather ancient libstdc++ for whatever reason...
17:13 < Shadow> speaking of clang, all clang builds fail
17:13 < Shadow> on travis says cant find clang package
17:13 <@JonnyH> :'(
17:14 < Shadow> can I do something about it?
17:14 < Shadow> E: Unable to locate package clang-3.8
17:14 < Shadow> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'clang-3.8'
17:14 <@JonnyH> :(
17:14 <@JonnyH> they've probably decided to rename it for some crazy reason
17:15 <@JonnyH> Who really can discern the working of those ubuntu guys...
17:15 < Shadow> but package was there
17:15 < Shadow> and they removed it?
17:15 < Shadow> it used to work
17:15 <@JonnyH> it worked yesterday...
17:16 <@JonnyH> this is the problem I have with ubuntu, they seem to enjoy changing things for zero reason...
17:16 < Shadow> my 19 hours ago build succeed, but 9 hours failed
17:16 < Shadow> ubuntu is weird
17:16 < Shadow> I guess just as its devs
17:17 <@JonnyH> On my system 'clang-3.8' has been called 'clang-3.8' since clang-3.8 was released...
17:17 <@JonnyH> I mean, what else would you call it?
17:18 < Shadow> apparently you need to add key
17:18 < Shadow> with apt-key add
17:18 < Shadow> whatever that is
17:18 < Shadow> http://askubuntu.com/questions/735201/installing-clang-3-8-on-ubuntu-14-04-3/735220
17:18 < Shadow> 'nah
17:18 < Shadow> nvm february
17:19 < Shadow> or well
17:19 <@JonnyH> add-apt-repository should add the key automatically
17:20 <@JonnyH> Sometimes I've seen the llvm repository remove a package for a day and reappear later
17:20 <@JonnyH> Not sure why...
17:21 < SupSuper> gotta keep us on our toes
17:22 <@JonnyH> they just released 3.8.1
17:22 <@JonnyH> but I *assume* that would just replace '3.8'? Right? That's the sane thing to do?
17:33 < Keise> probably
17:33 < Shadow> 2 errors left, I am not sure how to deal with em
17:33 < Shadow> (in save games)
17:34 < Shadow> "add pugixml.cpp to the build instead"
17:34 < Shadow> how to do so?
17:34 < Shadow> make new vs project for pugi?
17:35 < Shadow> not sure how to add it to Cmake too, isCmakeLists enough?
17:36 <@JonnyH> Just adding the .cpp to the 'state' to the Framework project will be enough?
17:36 <@JonnyH> Similarly, there should be a big list of files in framework/CMakeLists.txt
17:37 < Shadow> can Cmake go out of directory?
17:37 < Shadow> no such entry (going up directory) in framework/Cmakelists.txt
17:39 < Keise> oh nice
17:39 <@JonnyH> IIRC you can do relative "../whatever"
17:40 < Keise> alien city works as it is
17:40 <@JonnyH> or maybe expand ${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}?
17:40 <@JonnyH> though that might expand 'this' cmakelists.txt directory
17:40 <@JonnyH> in the root CMakeListst.txt you sould set a variable like OPENAPOC_ROOT_DIR to that CMAKE_SOUrCE_DIr
17:41 <@JonnyH> and then use that (before the add_subdirectory commands) or something...
17:41 <@JonnyH> But probably adding it as a new CMakeLists.txt and target_link_libraries() that to the Framework would be best
17:41 < Shadow> argh
17:41 <@JonnyH> and the equivalent in msvc (add a pugixml project, get framework to depend on it)
17:41 <@JonnyH> Or.... Just push the msvc version to yourb branch
17:42 <@JonnyH> I'll fixup the cmake version
17:42 < Shadow> ok
17:42 < Shadow> not sure how to do it in msvc though too ;)
17:42 < Shadow> how it compiles just with header file?
17:42 < Shadow> it has both header and cpp in single file and then switches based on define?
17:42 < Shadow> wtf?
17:43 <@JonnyH> if you #define PUGIXL_HEADER_ONLY
17:43 <@JonnyH> before the #include "pugixml.hpp
17:43 <@JonnyH> it effectively #include "pugixml.cpp" in the header
17:43 < Shadow> ok thanks
17:43 <@JonnyH> so my issue is you get the same cpp files included every time you include the header with that defined
17:49 <@JonnyH> I'm off, talk later :)
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18:12 < Keise> ugh
18:12 < Keise> I updated the city maps
18:13 < Keise> but it's a 1mil line diff in git :D
18:14 < Keise> also alien city tiles are using wrong stratmap pck
18:14 < Keise> but when I plugged in alien_s.pck it complains that offsets are wrong
18:15 < Keise> file structure should be the same, no?
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19:08 <@JonnyH> Shadow: https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/3d07b2a2a8e3c5dcf555da741afe99317cc744bf
19:13 < SupSuper> what's pugixml, didn't we already have xml?
19:14 <@JonnyH> There was some bug meaning that if I used tinyxml to write the xml with the seralizeOut stuff it'll fail to read it with serializeIn
19:16 < SupSuper> ...how
19:16 <@JonnyH> Can't remember TBH :P
19:16 <@JonnyH> I agree it's a bit weird to use both pugixml and tinxyml
19:17 <@JonnyH> not sure which is objective 'better', but pugixml seems more 'c++' (like it actually uses std::strings, streams etc.)
19:22 < SupSuper> well you can't be tiny with c++ :p
19:23 <@JonnyH> the two do seem mutually exclusive
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20:08 < Shadow> if (!node)
20:08 < Shadow> 		return;
20:08 < Shadow> 	unsigned int ticks = 0;
20:08 < Shadow> 	serializeIn(state, node->getNode("ticks"), ticks);
20:08 < Shadow> something is broken here
20:09 < Shadow> node is always not empty, even though it doesn't exist
20:10 < Shadow> I thought that there is 	if (!node)
20:10 < Shadow> 		return;
20:10 < Shadow> to stop serialization process if parent is nullptr
20:10 < Shadow> but apprently parent never is nullptr
20:10 < Shadow> wut
20:13 < SupSuper> is it uninitialized?
20:14 < SupSuper> or is there always some kind of "root" parent
20:25 < Shadow> Looks like calling getNode
20:25 < Shadow> will give you node
20:26 < Shadow> even if it is not there
20:26 < Shadow> and there are asserts in serialization code
20:26 < Shadow> if(!node) return;
20:26 < Shadow> Doh
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18:30 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8714b7b Jonathan Hamilton: Update libsmacker...
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18:32 < Shadow_> Hi Jonny
18:32 <@JonnyH> hi
18:33 <@JonnyH> I just tried out your latest save screen stuff and looks good :)
18:34 < Shadow_> great
18:34 < Shadow_> I have one concern though
18:34 < Shadow_> https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/pull/75/commits/2e2b523da4662db473e674b480e34b2045879a6d#diff-cde769ae46a1b1171c1b167bf8943403R199
18:34 < Shadow_> how does it even work?
18:34 < Shadow_> I think that it works by accident
18:36 <@JonnyH> what about it? The lambda capture of 'this'?
18:36 < Shadow_> ye
18:36 < Shadow_> then messagebox is head control
18:36 <@JonnyH> so PUSH doesn't actaully remove the previous from the StageStack
18:36 < Shadow_> so it executes stagcmd = loadingscreen
18:36 < Shadow_> ye but I guess that if loadingscreen executes pop
18:36 < Shadow_> for instance because it fails
18:37 < Shadow_> it will be back to messagebox?
18:37 <@JonnyH> I don't think loadingScreen 'can' fail
18:37 < Shadow_> it can
18:37 < Shadow_> I made it so it can ;)
18:37 < Shadow_> instead of you know
18:37 < Shadow_> going black screen with dramatic music
18:38 < Shadow_> you think that such code is ok?
18:39 <@JonnyH> I'll just check the state of the StageStack when loading from in-game...
18:39 < Shadow_> well it does that it is supposed to
18:40 <@JonnyH> as if you don't remove the current CityView it'll stay around, using memory and having 2 TileViews?
18:40 <@JonnyH> and 2 GameStates?
18:40 < Shadow_> for instance when you save it pops save screen
18:40 < Shadow_> from inside messagebox
18:46 < Shadow_> ok
18:46 < Shadow_> after loading game from inside game it has
18:46 < Shadow_> mainmenuform, activeTextEdit, activetab, menuForm, activeTextEdit, activeTab
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18:47 <@JonnyH> Oops, we already leak the CityView in 'Abandon and restart game' in master
18:47 <@JonnyH> It replaces the InGameOptions stage, not the parent CityView
18:47 < Shadow_> Oh
18:48 <@JonnyH> so it keeps *all* gamestate for every loaded/newly created game until you quit the program -_-
18:48 <@JonnyH> So you're not adding a bug there, we already have one :)
18:48 <@JonnyH> I'm going to have to think how to do this with the StageStack
18:48 <@JonnyH> 'POP'ing multiple stages at a time...
18:48 <@JonnyH> PopUntil (stage)?
18:49 < Shadow_> well maybe popall?
18:49 <@JonnyH> then PopUntil(MainMenu)?
18:49 < Shadow_> depends if you want new main menu or you want keep one at bottom
18:49 <@JonnyH> I guess you could re-create the MainMenu at 'back to main menu' time
18:49 < Shadow_> ye
18:49 <@JonnyH> Keeping it at the bottom doesn't really seem useful to me...
18:49 < Shadow_> so drop all and replace with new menu
18:49 <@JonnyH> ReplaceAll
18:49 < Shadow_> same should happen with load
18:50 < Shadow_> *after load
18:50 <@JonnyH> as you 'cannot' ever have an empty stage stack, you *must* have something to show
18:50 <@JonnyH> load: On success, ReplaceAll with new CityView
18:50 < Shadow_> ye exacly
18:50 <@JonnyH> On fail: Pop back to old game's SaveMenu
18:50 <@JonnyH> so you don't 'lose' the old game state if you fail to load?
18:51 < Shadow_> ye exacly
18:51 <@JonnyH> Right...
18:52 <@JonnyH> So feel free to merge your branch in :)
18:52 <@JonnyH> (do you have write access to pmprog?)
18:52 < SupSuper> this would be a lot simpler if you could do multiple pops :p
18:52 <@JonnyH> Pop(number)?
18:52 < Shadow_> looks like it leaks
18:52 <@JonnyH> But what if you go to the save menu with a screen popped up?
18:52 <@JonnyH> Or in the BattleScape stage?
18:53 < Shadow_> I think that there needs to be something like
18:53 < Shadow_> "pop all"
18:53 < Shadow_> or
18:53 <@JonnyH> (actually, I can't currently think of a pop-up that's not modal and can access InGameOptions, but you never know)
18:53 < Shadow_> "find in stack stage typed ***
18:53 <@JonnyH> I'll probably run with REPLACE_ALL
18:53 < Shadow_> and pop until
18:53 < SupSuper> eh works for openxcom :p
18:53 < SupSuper> we have pop, push and set
18:53 <@JonnyH> so that clears the stack completely, then puts the 'new' stage as the only stack entry
18:54 < SupSuper> usually you always know deep in the stack you went
18:54 <@JonnyH> Then make 'back to main menu' ReplaceAll with a new MainMenu
18:54 <@JonnyH> and we're good?
18:54 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Usually? Or always? :P
18:54 < Shadow_> I think that it's error prone
18:54 < Shadow_> no matter what you got into
18:54 < Shadow_> burn main menu there
18:54 <@JonnyH> I think 'back to main menu' or 'load new game' should be more like "Reset state, start again"
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18:55 <@JonnyH> I feel that's a better fit to what we're actually doing?
18:55 < Shadow_> btw atm it leaks gamestages
18:55 < Shadow_> after 1 load 3 stack entreies, after 3 loads 9
18:56 < Shadow_> ok but how to tell messagebox
18:56 < Shadow_> what load on success?
18:56 < SupSuper> JonnyH: well always because you can "queue" up commands :p iirc openapoc only lets you do 1 command, but in openxcom you can pop; pop; push; push; etc.
18:57 < SupSuper> we only use set (replace_all) for wiping the state
18:57 < Shadow_> makes sense too
18:58 <@JonnyH> Maybe we should add a queue to openapoc too
18:58 < Shadow_> replace all is special case when starting game
18:58 <@JonnyH> but currently I know of no screens (outside this 'reset') that need it (yet?)
18:58 < Shadow_> well
18:58 <@JonnyH> and the CityView takes a sp<> ref on GameState
18:58 < Shadow_> you may for instance open base screen and popup menu
18:58 <@JonnyH> so that still being around will cause the GameState to stay
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19:02 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Maybe we should make StageCmd's be 'normal' Events?
19:02 <@JonnyH> So they're queued?
19:03 <@JonnyH> And for consistency as much as anything :P
19:03 < SupSuper> don't talk to me about event consistency :p
19:03 <@JonnyH> Well, what I have here is a hammer..
19:04 <@JonnyH> so all possible communication looks a little nail shaped
19:05 < Shadow_> I think that it's good idea
19:05 < Shadow_> for instance messagebox could just queue stage change on success
19:05 < Shadow_>  no super complex lambdas
19:07 <@JonnyH> btw loadingscreen.cpp 'CreateUiForGame' function is old and no longer used?
19:10 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/53b8a2d284b2cd30c3461f37fa30d945dc3fa629
19:10 <@JonnyH> that ok for now
19:10 <@JonnyH> ?
19:10 < Shadow_> solves one problem
19:10 <@JonnyH> I might just merge this in anyway
19:11 <@JonnyH> as AFAICT it doesn't regress anything :)
19:11 < Shadow_> but then how do I queue next stage after messagebox?
19:11 <@JonnyH> MessageBox should REPLACE itself?
19:12 <@JonnyH> so you end up with the new stage on top of the SaveMenu?
19:12 < Shadow_> Yes, but atm I have just lambda
19:12 < Shadow_> that messagebox calls
19:12 < Shadow_> maybe it should be extended?
19:13 <@JonnyH> hmm....
19:13 <@JonnyH> Maybe it should have the StageCmd passed into the callback?
19:13 <@JonnyH> Or as sup said, a 'stagecmd' queue
19:13 <@JonnyH> that's presumably global state?
19:13 <@JonnyH> Oh, you probably want to add a 'delete save' button :)
19:13 <@JonnyH> As my window is getting kinda full
19:13 < Shadow_> well stage command as event sounds nice
19:14 < Shadow_> lambda could then just queue new event with push stage loading screen
19:14 <@JonnyH> fw().PushEvent(new StageEvent(REPACE, newStage)) or whatever...
19:14 < Shadow_> ye, exacly
19:14 <@JonnyH> hmm.. probably should make PushEvent threadsafe
19:24 <@JonnyH> Right... merge time?
19:24 <@JonnyH> then I
19:25 <@JonnyH> ..I'll push the cmake fix/REPLACEALL/event lock on top?
19:25 < Shadow_> I guess
19:25 <@JonnyH> :)
19:25 < Shadow_> we need to deal with leaking gamestates though
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19:25 < 7GHABOFFE> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 9 new commits to master: https://git.io/vK5aI
19:25 < 7GHABOFFE> OpenApoc/master 2079183 Przemyslaw Onak: Refactor of control loading, new functionality for contrls First load all nodes related to particular control and then children (so children may depend on parent data) Relative size setters for control, items extension for xml loader...
19:25 < 7GHABOFFE> OpenApoc/master 58d24d1 Przemyslaw Onak: Misc things for saveform:...
19:25 < 7GHABOFFE> OpenApoc/master c1e5321 Przemyslaw Onak: Refactored gamestate->time to gametime.h
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19:25 < 32NABGZ97> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #75: Save screen - gui (master...savemanager) https://git.io/vKzLe
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19:25 < SupSuper> just make them devs already :p
19:25 < Shadow_> i'll open issue on github
19:25 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: ...how?
19:28 <@JonnyH> can only pmprog do that?
19:28 <@JonnyH> Like I get a 'settings' tab in JonnyH/openapoc, where you can add people, but not pmprog/OpenApoc?
19:29 < SupSuper> hmmm
19:29 < SupSuper> it is a mystery
19:30 < SupSuper> yeah i don't even have a Settings tab
19:30 < SupSuper> not that i'd want to :p
19:30 <@JonnyH> Guess pmprog has to do it...
19:30 <@JonnyH> Just check he hasn't already first :P
19:30 < SupSuper> file it in the bug tracker ;)
19:31 <@JonnyH> push a branch or something Shadow_  to pmprog and see if it works
19:31 <@JonnyH> If so, you can just then delete it without messing up the history
19:32 < Shadow_> 403
19:32 < Shadow_> remote: Permission to pmprog/OpenApoc.git denied to ShadowDancer.
19:32 <@JonnyH> bah
19:33 <@JonnyH> BTW with my REPLACEALL fix cleaning up CityView it now seems to destroy GameState correctly too
19:34 < Shadow_>  it's kinda like
19:34 < Shadow_> it works by mistake
19:34 < Shadow_> or by accident ;)
19:34 <@JonnyH> but it works? :P
19:34 < Shadow_> ye
19:34 < Shadow_> still :)
19:34 <@JonnyH> On success, REPLACEALL is pretty much what we want?
19:35 <@JonnyH> On failure, just pop the LoadingScreen and we're back to the previous state?
19:35 <@JonnyH> So that's what we want too?
19:35 < Shadow_> I mean that messagebox does random stuff
19:35 < Shadow_> leaks resources
19:35 < Shadow_> and then everything is smashed with replaceall
19:35 < Shadow_> can't stay it doesn't work, but not perfect ;)
19:41 <@JonnyH> Right, I've gotta run
19:41 <@JonnyH> have a good evening
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19:41 < Shadow_> cya
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02:28 < smoke_fumus> do we have any sort of tactical scape map viewer?
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04:55 < Skin36_> hi smoke_fumus
04:55 < smoke_fumus> Hi
04:58 < Skin36_> u need tactical scape map viewer ?
04:59 < Skin36_> был какойто �торонний редактор тактиче�ких карт, � им пользовал��, в�помнить бы название
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12:41 < smoke_fumus> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9288177/planetgen_v6.png planetgen, this time with resulting output from-planet-to-flat map being isometric  seems to be working. woot!
12:51 < Skin36_> cool
12:52 < Keise> nice
12:53 < Keise> smoke_fumus: you were asking about battlescape stuff
12:53 < smoke_fumus> yayaya i was
12:53 < Keise> I believe no one worked on it yet
12:53 < smoke_fumus> Dang it
12:53 < Keise> there's a stand-alone viewers
12:53 < smoke_fumus> well, when i was searching it hit me that apocalypse has mostly used art deco in it's building designs, so should be pretty easy, for my current task
12:54 < Keise> but tactical missions are pretty far in openapoc
12:57 < Keise> try XME if you just want to look at those
12:58 < Keise> http://devisraad.com/xcom/apoc.htm
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16:35 < Shadow> Are there plans for remaking turn-based game too?
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18:27 < Keise> Shadow: I think turn-based tactics definitely will be there
18:28 < Shadow> they are weird though
18:29 < Keise> well feels like it was balanced around realtime
18:29 < Kaljakoppa> Better at least to design it so that either implementation doesn't hinder or make it impossible to implement the other
18:29 < Shadow> it almost looks like they wanted to make real time game and added timed
18:29 < Shadow> because why not
18:29 < Keise> because 50% of players choose turn-based
18:29 < Kaljakoppa> Because not to scare away the oldschool? :)
18:30 < Shadow> and they reaload each time someone comes out of nowhere and fires 3 brainsuckers at them?
18:30 < Keise> I actually did most of my runs in turn-based
18:30 < Keise> leave some TUs they will do reaction shots
18:31 < Kaljakoppa> A weird design choice to implement both, a bit overhead, but it worked out nicely
18:31 < Keise> yes, it worked out really well
18:31 < Shadow> ye if you are lucky enough and pod lands in front of you
18:31 < Keise> and I liked that you can choose one before each mission
18:31 < Keise> so easier missions were done in RT for speed
18:32 < Kaljakoppa> The Altair UFO versions (Aftermath etc.)
18:32 < Kaljakoppa> Had a quite working system
18:33 < Kaljakoppa> Planned real time
18:34 < Keise> it's somewhat common
18:35 < Keise> but I would stick to original modes
18:36 < Kaljakoppa> Oh yes, of course
18:36 < Shadow> I think that in turn mode turn should be 1/4 long
18:36 < Shadow> or whatever
18:36 < Shadow> to take account for broken melee enemies
18:36 < Keise> it was 13 seconds
18:36 < Keise> or something like that
18:37 < Shadow> I don't really understand purpose of stances too
18:37 < Shadow> at least in rt
18:38 < Shadow> because in turn I guess they decide if person will shoot or run away
18:38 < Shadow> in rt they make people die for no reason
18:38 < Shadow> weird purpose ;/
18:39 < Keise> dunno, it worked for me
18:39 < Keise> but most of the time I set them to agressive to have full control
18:39 < Shadow> me too
18:39 < Keise> I guess unit AI would be a challenge
18:40 < Shadow> in other stances keeling people stand up and run backwards
18:40 < Shadow> so they take shoots in the back
18:40 < Shadow> another example - skeletoid enters room, where my unit was standing in front of him with machinegun
18:41 < Shadow> he turns back and skeletoid fires in his back
18:41 < Shadow> or dude with grapling hook turns back and tries to run from popper
18:41 < Keise> bravery? :)
18:41 < Shadow> when I set em to aggresive they don't do that?
18:42 < Shadow> I guess AI wants to hide behind cover
18:42 < Shadow> but doing so in middle of long corridor
18:42 < Keise> it should also depend on number of enemies or 'threat level'
18:42 < Shadow> at many things
18:43 < Shadow> I don't really see a point in stances
18:43 < Shadow> if I want to dodge I'd dodge manually
18:43 < nadir> The purpose is, I assume, reducing micromanagement
18:44 < Shadow> I guess it's purpose is to increase game length
18:44 < Shadow> because I have to reload if I forget to set stance to aggresive
18:45 < Shadow> >.>
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19:19 < Keise> I wonder if current tilemap will do it for battlescape
19:20 < Keise> since tactical maps have same 4-tile system as the first x-com
19:21 < SupSuper> it'll probably be very similar
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20:03 < Shadow> I wonder why game creators made some decisions
20:03 < Shadow> like no corpses
20:03 < Shadow> or no cost for swapping equipment
20:04 < SupSuper> what do you mean no corpses?
20:04 < Shadow> in previous ufo games you may pick dead or stunned units
20:05 < SupSuper> oh
20:06 < Shadow> I guess that's because your mission is to kill alliens, not just gain technology
20:07 < Shadow> bio research looks terrible
20:07 < Shadow> because of that
20:07 < SupSuper> it was mostly a flavor feature, no real use
20:08 < SupSuper> does apoc even recover carried stuff if you abort?
20:08 < Shadow> it would be weird
20:09 < Shadow> if it did, uh?
20:09 < Shadow> I wonder how it calculates units lost when aborting
20:10 < Shadow> for instance 3 pple exchanging fire with aliens, aborting makes 2 dead
20:11 < SupSuper> well i mean leaving the combat zone. i don't think you even can abort and leave people behind
20:12 < SupSuper> less features to worry about at least :p recovery is always a clusterfuck
20:12 < Shadow> btw
20:13 < Shadow> I wonder, is there possiblity of integrating old aliens or soldiers into openapoc?
20:13 < Shadow> I mean sectoids, gillman etc?
20:14 < SupSuper> you'd probably need new graphics
20:14 < SupSuper> granted apoc could use new graphics :p
20:14 < Shadow> well
20:14 < Shadow> I guess they would be pretty much compatible?
20:15 < Shadow> 8 facing directions etc
20:15 < SupSuper> yeah but they'd be tiny and have the wrong palettes
20:15 < SupSuper> maybe with some tweaking
20:15 < SupSuper> i don't know how apoc puts the units together
20:16 < Shadow> what is original xcom resolution?
20:16 < Shadow> apoc is 640?
20:16 < SupSuper> 320x200, tiles are 32x40
20:16 < SupSuper> also original xcom puts units together out of parts: http://ufopaedia.org/index.php/SECTOID.PCK
20:16 < SupSuper> apoc likely just has solid pre-renders
20:17 < Shadow> O.o
20:17 < Shadow> I guess that i'm thinking to much and I should just program something ;)
21:07 < SupSuper> who knows maybe i'll do some programming as well :p
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22:32 < Keise> I like that idea :P
22:34 < Keise> I have to write a stub for UFO incursions
22:36 < Keise> setting timer in gamestate should be enough? don't want to get into global AI yet..
22:37 < SupSuper> openxcom just had rng() ufo spawning and moving until like v0.9. nobody noticed the difference :p
22:37 < Keise> hehe
22:38 < SupSuper> since you can only see what's on your radar anyways, or in apoc's case, what's in your city, so anything that comes from portals is good enough
22:38 < SupSuper> half the time they just hang around anyways
22:38 < Shadow> SupSuper: can I play both TFTD and normal mode in openxcom?
22:38 < SupSuper> yes, openxcom supports both UFO and TFTD in the nightlies (not simultaneously)
22:39 < Shadow> I mean simultaneously
22:39 < SupSuper> you'd have to mod that in :p
22:39 < Shadow> hard to do?
22:39 < Keise> hard to imagine?..
22:40 < Shadow> Keise: why?
22:40 < SupSuper> well it's more a logistics thing. sure you can just mash both game files together, but you have to think how everything's gonna work together. it's already been discussed plenty in the forums though
22:40 < SupSuper> if you just make a mod with all the things it's just gonna feel very silly and repetitive :p
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22:41 < Keise> and no need to research sonic guns since autofire is OP
22:42 < Keise> same with the other content..
22:42 < Shadow> can you point me at forum topics?
22:42 < Shadow> what keywords?
22:43 < Shadow> Keise: you simply make sonic /harpoon/gauss work underwater
22:43 < Shadow> and laster/plasma/guns work in air
22:43 < SupSuper> http://openxcom.org/forum/index.php/topic,1851.0.html http://openxcom.org/forum/index.php/topic,3025.0.html
22:43 < Shadow> thx
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23:11 < Shadow> Looks like people have it perfectly sorted out
23:12 < Shadow> even to level of Levels 0 and 1 are underwater, with sand, rocks, reefs and angry lobstermen.
23:12 < Shadow> Levels 2 and 3 are flat sand, dunes, and girls playing beachball.
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14:32 < SupSuper> did we ever figure out how a new base cost is calculated?
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16:00 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: I think it might have been proportional to the building 'size' in the citymap?
16:00 <@JonnyH> Like a 1x1 building is less than a 2x2 etc.
16:00 < SupSuper> yeah but seems each building has a different "per-tile" cost and we never did find where that came from
16:01 <@JonnyH> possibly one of the 'weird' buildings values skin found?
16:02 <@JonnyH> Might be on the forum...
16:02 <@JonnyH> Can't dig through my irc from here though
16:06 < SupSuper> the forums aren't much easier to navigate :p
16:06 < SupSuper> there only seem to be organizations on there not buildings. o well i was just curious
16:14 <@JonnyH> If it's building 'type' there's only warehouses and slums right?
16:15 <@JonnyH> So might be simple enough just to calculate it from the original game and hardcode (or put in GameState...)
16:17 < SupSuper> hardcoding? you monster :p
16:18 <@JonnyH> I mean not extract and put in the common_patch or whatever
16:18 <@JonnyH> I don't mean 'int cost = 5000;'
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16:23 < Keise> hi
16:25 < Keise> JonnyH: I have a huge commit for map extension and a bit hesitant to merge it right back
16:25 < Keise> https://github.com/idshibanov/OpenApoc/blob/8d18df74d68ac4d0fea93f6a35d10e1d0a41c66d/tools/extractors/extract_city_map.cpp
16:27 <@JonnyH> +- 20?
16:27 < Keise> +1mil -500k in xml
16:28 <@JonnyH> :P
16:28 < Keise> https://github.com/idshibanov/OpenApoc/commit/54390055bac9251f50fcafa59ff0201bd097dc6c
16:28 <@JonnyH> The curse of having game data in-repository
16:28 < Keise> yea
16:28 < Keise> so I don't want to re-generate those again if there's something wrong
16:29 < SupSuper> when we're done we can probably just generate it on demand
16:29 < Keise> or zip it..
16:29 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: We probably can do that today, just call the extractor
16:30 <@JonnyH> Keise: Then modifying 1 byte of the gamestate causes the whole zip file to change :P
16:30 < SupSuper> Keise: we used to but that's a pain to make manual changes :p
16:30 <@JonnyH> we moved away from zips in repo
16:30 < SupSuper> JonnyH: well i mean in development there's no way to tell when stuff needs "regenerating". when it's done you probably just need to generate it once and not put it all in source control
16:30 < Keise> okay
16:32 <@JonnyH> ...Or have a separate repository that's updated by a hook in the ci system or something
16:32 < SupSuper> JonnyH no, bad JonnyH
16:32 <@JonnyH> I wonder if we can build a system
16:33 <@JonnyH> that autogenerates xcom games
16:33 < SupSuper> we already have more build setup than any other project :p
16:33 <@JonnyH> then we just need to tweak the input until it spits out something like apoc
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17:56 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: why are we using longs
17:56 < SupSuper> longs are nothing but c++'s biggest lie
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18:16 <@JonnyH> ...we use longs?
18:16 <@JonnyH> I'm a little tempted to say 'Thou Shalt Use Sized Types'
18:17 < SupSuper> well GameTime has unsigned long ticks but then it gets used everywhere as a unsigned int so ???
18:17 <@JonnyH> hmm... and gametime probably is something we want to have a size for
18:18 <@JonnyH> we don't want to save on a 64bit machine and overflow when loading on a 32
18:18 <@JonnyH> or 2^32 ticks? How long is that?
18:18 < SupSuper> well i think everything treats long as 32-bit for historical reasons
18:18 <@JonnyH> 136 years @ 60ticks/sec..
18:18 <@JonnyH> probably alright actually :P
18:19 <@JonnyH> linux 32: sizeof(long) = 4
18:20 <@JonnyH> linux 64: sizeof(long) = 8
18:20 <@JonnyH> IIRC sizeof(long) == sizeof(int) on linux
18:20 <@JonnyH> at least x86
18:20 < SupSuper> uhhhhh did you do your math right? a 32-bit on 60ticks/sec is like 826 days
18:20 < SupSuper> which is still more than enough :p
18:20 <@JonnyH> 2^32 = 4294967296
18:21 <@JonnyH>  / 60 = 71582788 seconds
18:21 < SupSuper> that's 71582788 ticks :p
18:21 <@JonnyH>  / 60 = 1193046 minutes
18:22 < SupSuper> wait yeah 71582788 seconds
18:22 <@JonnyH>  / 60 = 19884 hours
18:22 <@JonnyH>  (which is what I missed earlier, so you're robably right)
18:22 < SupSuper> but 4294967296 / 60 / 3600 / 24 = 828 days
18:23 <@JonnyH>   / 24 = 8828 days
18:23 <@JonnyH> ...828
18:23 <@JonnyH> = ~2.3 years
18:23 <@JonnyH> Possible to hit then
18:23 <@JonnyH> Kinda crazy, but possible
18:23 < SupSuper> i think we'll be fine for now. even original x-com games barely go over 1-2 years
18:24 <@JonnyH> time to make it a uint64_t
18:24 <@JonnyH> yeah, but I don't want to get 'close' to limits :P
18:24 < SupSuper> oh sure everyone's gonna play through 2 years of apocalypse :P
18:24 < SupSuper> either way i'm probably gonna rewrite gametime.cpp, there's a lot of bad assumptions
18:24 <@JonnyH> until someone pops up with some weird mod
18:25 <@JonnyH> a quick grep shows most of the 'longs' in framework/ are dealing with external APIs that use longs...
18:25 < SupSuper> like assuming the game starts on week start when it actually starts on tuesday, 7th march, 2084 because ???
18:26 <@JonnyH> ???
18:26 < SupSuper> also probably gonna use boost::date_time *shudders* since i don't wanna manually figure out the gregorian d-m-y for an arbitrary amount of ticks :p
18:26 <@JonnyH> Maybe we should change it into 'ns since epoch' or something
18:26 <@JonnyH> as most locale libs use something like that internally anyway
18:27 < SupSuper> well the game doesn't really care about date. just day starts and week starts, the rest is flavor
18:27 <@JonnyH> How will we deal with leap seconds?
18:27 <@JonnyH> :P
18:28 < SupSuper> :P
18:28 < SupSuper> well we could just use boost if you want games to be consistent even if people mod the starting date i guess?
18:28 <@JonnyH> Maybe 'ns since unix epoch' will be fine
18:28 <@JonnyH> the only thing that needs to know the 'time' is GameTime
18:29 <@JonnyH> and that can do update(int ticks)
18:29 <@JonnyH> game_time += ticks * NS_PER_SECOND / 60
18:29 <@JonnyH> or something
18:30 <@JonnyH> make that changeable to support non-60fps displays?
18:30 < SupSuper> i'm searching for anything useful here: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_61_0/doc/html/date_time.html
18:30 < SupSuper> but going through boost docs is ughhhhhhhhhhh
18:32 < SupSuper> apparently we want posix time?
18:33 <@JonnyH> time_t is only second granularity
18:33 < SupSuper> well boost's ptime has nanosecond (96-bit) and microsecond (64-bit) granularity so
18:33 < SupSuper> ship it!
18:35 < SupSuper> it's impressive just how long it takes to go through a day in apoc. i don't think anyone's making it to one year :p
18:35 <@JonnyH> Hopefully we could losslessly serialize using from_iso_string/whatever
18:38 < Shadow> why tuesday, 7th march, 2084
18:39 < SupSuper> ~~lore~~
18:39 < Shadow> O.o
18:39 < SupSuper> (it's an arbitrary date like every other game)
18:39 < Shadow> there's problem with localtime
18:39 < Shadow> date + time switch shows dd/mm/yyyy hh:mm:ss on my rig
18:39 < Shadow> but appends name of month/day on linux
18:40 <@JonnyH> probably depends on locale too
18:40 < Shadow> maybe there is boost utility to get just date time without names
18:40 < SupSuper> you can probably specify the string format
18:40 < Shadow> also afaik time_t is 64bit int on all arch
18:40 < Shadow> maybe use that
18:40 < Shadow> ?
18:41 <@JonnyH> but if that's only a second count
18:41 < Shadow> SUpSuper: but point of using locale is not to specify format ;)
18:41 < Shadow> JonnyH or tick count or whatever
18:41 <@JonnyH> we'll have to split out some 'sub-second' for the 36/60 ticks a second (or whatever)
18:41 < SupSuper> then you have to deal with crazy locales :p
18:42 < SupSuper> for game time it makes sense to use a fixed format, since game canon takes place in a fixed place
18:42 < SupSuper> and people need to have gregorian calendar or game logic wouldn't work
18:43 < SupSuper> anyways i haven't looked into boost, but usually date libraries have built-ins like "short date format", "long date format", etc (locale-appropriate)
18:43 < Shadow> ye
18:43 < Shadow> but std doesn't
18:43 < SupSuper> oh lol
18:43 < Shadow> std::put_time at least
18:43 < SupSuper> you're using c++ locale? that's hot garbage :>
18:44 < Shadow> I'm used to standard library being enough :)
18:44 < Shadow> apparently still doesn't hold true in cpp
18:44 < SupSuper> c++ locale is historically a mess
18:44 < SupSuper> because ~~backwards-compatible~~
18:44 < Shadow> then they should throw it out of a window
18:44 < Shadow> and write new one
18:45 < SupSuper> but ~~backwards-compatible~~
18:45 < TheSnide> LANG=C and prob solved ;-)
18:45 < SupSuper> ^^^^
18:45 <@JonnyH> <locale> was pretty much 'Here's an interface, it's optional to implement it, and it's fine to do anything you want'
18:45 <@JonnyH> AKA Least useful API ever
18:45 < SupSuper> also c locale affects everything
18:45 <@JonnyH> C locale?
18:46 <@JonnyH> You mean 'unix system locale'?
18:46 < SupSuper> i mean the global locale setting that c/c++ use
18:46 < SupSuper> so if you set it to the user locale suddenly whoops you can't convert strings to floats correctly and other fun weird stuff
18:46 < SupSuper> because it's not granular
18:47 < SupSuper> so by default you want it to be the "c locale" which is basically "not actually a locale but makes everything english and consistent across systems"
18:47 <@JonnyH> you set it in another thread and suddenly your whole process starts returning different strings from stdlib functions :P
18:47 < SupSuper> or some such it's really a mess
18:47 < Shadow> O
18:47 < SupSuper> so yeah they should've just deprecated the old stuff and made it new
18:48 < Shadow> Just parsing time_t to string would be enough
18:48 < SupSuper> but there's so many c++ locale libraries already might as well just use those
18:48 <@JonnyH> like imbueing different output streams with different locales?
18:48 < SupSuper> at least they kinda fixed unicode? sorta? maybe?
18:49 < SupSuper> in openxcom we took the bold approach of "nope"
18:49 < Shadow> well problems with 3rd party libs is that they're 3rd party libs
18:50 < SupSuper> ignore it all and roll your own :v
18:50 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Brave...
18:50 < Shadow> that's good way to never finish project ;_)
18:50 < TheSnide> Shadow: forcing english is a good way to limit dev
18:51 < SupSuper> it's worked for JonnyH so far
18:51 < Shadow> anyway
18:51 <@JonnyH> TBH there doesn't actually seem to be much 'string manipulation' in a game that requires poking into unicode chars
18:51 < SupSuper> well we already have boost::date_time so i'm just gonna use that. hopefully it's sane. who am i kidding it's boost :p
18:51 < TheSnide> and once engine is done, addind it afterwards is not difficult. tedious maybe, but boy difficult
18:52 <@JonnyH> we already have some half-assed gettext support
18:52 < Shadow> I guess that it should be merged into save screen
18:52 < Shadow> will forms be localized or something?
18:52 < TheSnide> +1 to gettext. fast and easy
18:53 <@JonnyH> I do want to use boost::locale::format's extended syntax though
18:53 <@JonnyH> so you can declare stuff like pleurals, dates and the like
18:53 < SupSuper> forms are already localized
18:53 <@JonnyH> instead of just "Ran out of %s"
18:53 < SupSuper> though we're just using apoc strings for now
18:54 < TheSnide> isn't apoc one build per lang ?
18:54 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: yup
18:54 <@JonnyH> different .exe
18:54 < TheSnide> ouch
18:54 <@JonnyH> but we clearly don't want to do that :P
18:54 < TheSnide> hu
18:54 < TheSnide> huhu
18:55 < TheSnide> anyway. do as best. as i am only comentting in a sterile way
18:56 < TheSnide> (doers rule. not sayers)
18:57 < Shadow> JonnyH: you may delete saves now: https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/pull/77
18:58 <@JonnyH> currently the locale is saved in ~/.local/share/OpenApoc/settings.cfg at first run
18:59 <@JonnyH> you can change that - anything with a dir in data/languages should work to some degree...
18:59 <@JonnyH> Shadow: On my laptop at parents house so probably can't really check that right now :)
18:59 <@JonnyH> If you think it's good I'll trust you and merge anyway
19:00 < Shadow> nothing special there
19:00 <@JonnyH> so long as it doesn't accidently delete c:\boot.ini
19:00 <@JonnyH> we're good :)
19:01 < Shadow> I wonder how can I create filtering/transforming iterators in cpp
19:01 < Shadow> what is recommended way to do so?
19:01 <@JonnyH> not sure TBH
19:01 < Shadow> I see that there us even no base iterator class
19:01 < Shadow> kinda sucks
19:02 <@JonnyH> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/iterator/iterator/
19:02 <@JonnyH> ?
19:02 < SupSuper> what do you mean by filtering/transforming iterators?
19:03 <@JonnyH> presumably you have an iterator that does something like 'list all files'
19:03 < SupSuper> something like this? http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/algorithm/
19:03 <@JonnyH> that's wrapped by another iterator that skips over anything not ending in .save?
19:03 < Shadow> for instance
19:03 < SupSuper> oh
19:03 < Shadow> filtering -> you give it predicate and it filters based on predicate
19:03 <@JonnyH> most of the algorithms work on in-memory full lists
19:04 < SupSuper> you can always make your own iterators i guess. they probably work with foreach and stuff
19:04 <@JonnyH> which you might not want for file stuff
19:04 < Shadow> life is too short for making iterators
19:04 <@JonnyH> just override operator++?
19:05 < SupSuper> i mean extend std::iterator
19:05 < Shadow> sounds good, I'll take a look
19:05 < SupSuper> i'm gonna look away and suddenly we'll have our own c++ linq won't we
19:05 < Shadow> bah
19:05 < Shadow> maybe there is one
19:06 < Shadow> i'll chceck
19:06 < Shadow> https://cpplinq.codeplex.com/
19:06 < SupSuper> goddammit
19:06 <@JonnyH> I mean subclass boost::directory_iterator (or whatever it is)
19:06 < Shadow> well but I thought that there is cpp way of doing so
19:06 <@JonnyH> operator++
19:07 <@JonnyH> becomes base::++; while (*base != predicate) base::++;
19:07 < Shadow> JonnyH what about transforming iterator?
19:07 < Shadow> something like
19:08 < Shadow> It<b> Collection<a>.GetIterator(lambda[a] { return b(a); })
19:08 < TheSnide> whoah. i'm so used to C those days
19:08 < Shadow> I guess overriding *
19:09 < SupSuper> well the closest there are is std::find_if and std::replace_if, you give them a predicate and they apply it to a range of iterators
19:09 <@JonnyH> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_61_0/libs/iterator/doc/transform_iterator.html
19:09 <@JonnyH> ?
19:09 <@JonnyH> I know, 'boost', but we're already using it...
19:09 < TheSnide> c++ sugar seems quite sweet from here
19:09 < TheSnide> isn't boost the stdlib incubator ?
19:10 < Shadow> I've seen that
19:10 < Shadow> but
19:10 < Shadow> it doesn't look like way to go
19:10 <@JonnyH> Shadow: You could write a transforming iterator exactly like that, but I don't think theres one in the stdlib
19:10 <@JonnyH> maybe boost
19:10 <@JonnyH> boost is more than the c++ library incubator - it also has a load of stuff they're completely not interested in pulling into the stdlib too
19:11 < TheSnide> JonnyH: what's the matter with boost ? seems like a good lib to me
19:11 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: A lot of people don't seem to like it
19:11 <@JonnyH> It seems more personal than any objective reason though :P
19:11 < TheSnide> yes i saw. but why
19:11 < TheSnide> oh. ok.
19:11 <@JonnyH> With a few exceptions (some boost 'modules' are obviously lower quality than others)
19:12 < SupSuper> i'll tell you
19:12 < TheSnide> too bloated ?
19:12 <@JonnyH> We've already sold our soul to the monster that is c++11
19:12 < TheSnide> but doesn't boost only compile what's needed ?
19:12 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: The output binary does, yes
19:12 < TheSnide> is c++11 bloated ?
19:12 < SupSuper> imagine if you used c++, but thought "man there isn't enough messy stuff as it is". there comes boost
19:12 <@JonnyH> but the compiler has to jump through lots of hoops to remove the stuff it doesn't need
19:13 < SupSuper> boost is not a "singular" thing, it's a massive compilation of differently-maintained libraries and what not so quality and standards can vary wildly
19:13 <@JonnyH> My biggest annoyance with it is it's not really a c++11 library
19:13 <@JonnyH> and some things clearly have a 'better' way now
19:13 < SupSuper> and they all have a hair's nest of dependencies and what not. boost is so bloated it has its own build system, it's almost its own language
19:13 < TheSnide> boost11 then ;)
19:13 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: some 'modules' use c++11, many do not
19:13 < TheSnide> oh.
19:13 < SupSuper> it was basically a "let's fill all the gaps c++03 has" that got crazy out of hand
19:14 < TheSnide> boost is like npm then ;)
19:14 <@JonnyH> It has ~3 different template PEG libraries :P
19:14 < SupSuper> boost has "everything" but most devs do not want "everything", they are deadly afraid of dependencies as it is
19:14 < SupSuper> specially in the c++ world where linking is a mess
19:15 <@JonnyH> some libs are header-only, some are not
19:15 <@JonnyH> linking in c++ is 100% platform dependant
19:15 < SupSuper> if it wasn't for nuget, building all of that would be a headache
19:15 <@JonnyH> It even supplies a tool to create a 'boost subset' tree you can include into your own project :P
19:16 <@JonnyH> as clearly they don't expect anyone to use 'all' of it :P
19:16 < TheSnide> unrelated but fun https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/758824415547109376
19:16 < TheSnide> about being adequate
19:16 < SupSuper> JonnyH: the boost "subset" just for yaml-cpp is 15mb of headers :p
19:16 <@JonnyH> du -sh /usr/include/boost/
19:16 <@JonnyH> 133M	/usr/include/boost/
19:16 <@JonnyH> A lot of headers :P
19:17 < TheSnide> whooooooa
19:17 <@JonnyH> ....My whole linux dev system /usr/include is 377mb
19:17 <@JonnyH> for *everything*...
19:17 <@JonnyH> so boost is like 1/3 of that
19:17 <@JonnyH> and that doesn't include the 'library' code
19:17 < TheSnide> omg
19:18 < SupSuper> for comparison, the entire openxcom source is 5mb :p
19:18 < TheSnide> really looks like j2ee projects ;-)
19:18 < TheSnide> which usually are
19:18 < TheSnide> ... what kind of jar didn't i use yet ?
19:18 < TheSnide> SupSuper: apoc is C ?
19:19 <@JonnyH> hmm... maybe make 'delete saved game' a button from the save/load game menu?
19:19 <@JonnyH> So you can delete from the main screen?
19:19 <@JonnyH> apoc is C, borland IIRC
19:19 <@JonnyH> sorry, wacom :P
19:19 < TheSnide> sweet times wacom C
19:19 < SupSuper> everything in dos days was probably wacom c
19:19 < SupSuper> with that built-in dos4gw support
19:20 <@JonnyH> You can recognise the function prologues :P
19:20 < TheSnide> with that infamousb"dos extender"
19:20 < SupSuper> JonnyH: in the original apoc, load game / save game / delete game were separate pause menu options
19:20 <@JonnyH> ... (saved game ui): Maybe a 'trash can' button beside each line?
19:21 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: but I don't see the issue of 'improving' this ui
19:21 <@JonnyH> As we're already throwing away the '10 slot' idea
19:21 <@JonnyH> we may have to change other stuff too
19:21 < TheSnide> http://www.tenberry.com/dos4g/ FTW ;)
19:21 < SupSuper> well you're gonna have to reuse those "button slots" in the menu then
19:21 <@JonnyH> Just a button to the delete screen from the 'load/save' ui would be cool
19:22 < SupSuper> apoc ui isn't very modular
19:22 < SupSuper> TheSnide: order now!
19:22 <@JonnyH> not sure if you'll have to photoshop a button into the sidebar or something...
19:22 <@JonnyH> LGTM though, I'll push it after I format it...
19:23 <@JonnyH> (Developing over ssh on a server :)
19:23 <@JonnyH> I just assume it's rendering correctly...
19:23 <@JonnyH> Anyway, gotta run for the night
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19:23 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vKjHn
19:23 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2181759 Przemyslaw Onak: Delete save game
19:23 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 396f6b0 Jonathan Hamilton: format
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20:55 < SupSuper> wonder how many "format" commits are we gonna see by the end of the project :p
21:11 < Shadow> bad me
21:11 < SupSuper> oh don't worry i do it all the time ;)
21:11 < Shadow> I'll add it as prebuild
21:11 < Shadow> the problem is that some files are not commited
21:11 < Shadow> and format's breaking header order
21:12 < Shadow> so after formatting I have to manually revert changes
21:12 < SupSuper> and it tries to format 3rd party stuff sometimes
21:12 < Shadow> aye
21:12 < Shadow> but basescreen is the one that has broken includes
21:12 < SupSuper> oh?
21:12 < Shadow> if you run format
21:13 < Shadow> base screen includes are sorted
21:13 < Shadow> and it doesn't compile anymore
21:14 < Shadow> (clang_format_win)
21:14 < Shadow> maybe it's misconfigured to sort headers?
21:14 < Shadow> I see that clangformat plugin for vs sorts by default, maybe command line does that too
21:15 < SupSuper> well includes shouldn't depend on each other anyways, so that should be fixed in the headers themselves
21:15 < Shadow> I'll check it
21:15 < Shadow> cpp build scares me though
21:16 < Shadow> makefiles and shit
21:16 < Shadow> brrr
21:16 < SupSuper> visual studio uber alles ;)
21:16 < Shadow> I preffer pasting package names in package list ;)
21:16 < Shadow> 4>base\basescreen.cpp(149): error C2065: 'dragFacility': undeclared identifier
21:16 < Shadow> 4>C:\Users\Przemek\Desktop\OpenApoc\game/ui/base/basescreen.h(25): error C2143: syntax error: missing ';' before '<''
21:16 < Shadow> sht
21:17 < Shadow> idk why it doesn't see stateref anymore
21:17 < Shadow> after running format
21:19 < SupSuper> well stateref comes from game/state/stateobject.h. try adding it to basescreen.h and see if that fixes it
21:19 < Shadow> it does
21:19 < Shadow> weird
21:19 < SupSuper> oh i think i know why
21:20 < SupSuper> basescreen.h doesn't include stateobject.h
21:20 < SupSuper> but by a happy coincidence basescreen.h is used after researchscreen.h which *does* include stateobject.h
21:20 < SupSuper> see, it was all pointing you to an actual problem :p
21:21 < Shadow> btw
21:21 < Shadow> I think of remaking a bit equipments
21:21 < Shadow> make one interface for equipment, etc
21:21 < Shadow> so later agents may implement it
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21:22 < SupSuper> sure
21:22 < Shadow> I thought about abstracting equipment in slot
21:23 < Shadow> but I am not sure if it has any point
21:23 < SupSuper> vequipscreen is also all hardcoded, we'll probably need to abstract the common stuff out to proper ui so we can use it in soldier equipment screen as well
21:24 < Shadow> the problem is that I would like to make it so unit has list of slots
21:24 < Shadow> and slot has list of items
21:24 < SupSuper> well slots are purely a ui thing. they don't really matter to the game logic
21:24 < Shadow> but then I have troubles passing items to 3rd party code
21:24 < Shadow> ye exacly
21:25 < SupSuper> so i think that would just make determining owned items messier
21:25 < Shadow> so I think that there should be just equipment conteiner with equipment list
21:25 < SupSuper> although
21:25 < SupSuper> it might be handy to immediately find whatever's in the "engine" slot or the "right hand" slot
21:25 < SupSuper> hmm i dunno
21:25 < Shadow> I think that
21:26 < Shadow> rather it'd be handy to quickly find "exclusive" slots
21:26 < Shadow> so you don't check all general equipment and engines when looking for weapon to fire
21:26 < Shadow> and so for soldier
21:27 < Shadow> because equipment in shared slot, engines and armor just adds stats
21:28 < Shadow> but splitting it that way makes it weird for ui
21:28 < Shadow> doh
21:28 < Shadow> I just really need IEnumerable
21:29 < Shadow> ;)
21:29 < SupSuper> :p
21:29 < SupSuper> well JonnyH`Away is the c++ whiz around here
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21:38 < SupSuper> could be worse, i'm currently going nuts with boost::date_time
21:38 < Shadow> told ya :P
21:39 < SupSuper> no wait it's me i'm the idiot
21:40 < SupSuper> see i told you i'm no c++ whiz :p
21:44 < Shadow> well I wouldn't mess with gametime ticks property
21:44 < SupSuper> why's that
21:45 < Shadow> I mean just adding offset for display
21:45 < Shadow> and ticks go from 0, what you think?
21:45 < Shadow> unsigned long is 32 bit on windows
21:46 < Shadow> and gamestate api does not support long long
21:46 < Shadow> I mean serialization
21:47 < Shadow> so you need to either make it 64 bit in serializer, or add 64 bit offset
21:48 < Shadow> I may be wrong, but that's how I remember it
22:27 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/qkak5/93b8405a79.png well i broke it
22:33 < SupSuper> man all of this just to have a formatted date :p
22:36 < Keise> haha
22:36 < nadir> Looks fine to me
22:36 < SupSuper> everyone expresses the date in hexadecimal in the future
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22:53 < SupSuper> ok i found a good use case for "using namespace"
22:55 < SupSuper> "const boost::posix_time::ptime GameTime::GAME_START = boost::posix_time::ptime(boost::gregorian::date(2084, boost::date_time::Mar, 7), boost::posix_time::time_duration(12, 0, 0));"
22:55 < SupSuper> :|
23:11 < Keise> beauty of the boost
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00:06 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8ce65b0 SupSuper: Use boost::date_time to format GameTime...
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00:07 < SupSuper> well that started with just wanting the current game date and ended nowhere i had planned
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01:21 < Keise> hm.. I doesn't pause the game when UFOs are coming from the portal although canTurbo() return true..
01:27 < SupSuper> probably not implemented :p
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09:54 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master fefbe2c Jonathan Hamilton: Enable c++11 for pugixml cmake build...
09:54 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master fc66f70 Jonathan Hamilton: Use sized types in 64-bit int/uint serialize...
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10:04 < Shadow> I'm trying filter iteraotr
10:04 < Shadow> but it sucks
10:04 < Shadow> Generally it makes filter_iterator<Predicate, Type>
10:05 < Shadow> so I cannot filter based on parameter (as that would be different filter_iterator)
10:05 < Shadow> :(
10:18 <@JonnyH> hmm... not really looked into stuff like that TBH
10:18 <@JonnyH> Forwarding 'optional' args is a bit of a pain in c++
10:18 <@JonnyH> maybe you could use auto template types for a parameter pack?
11:14 <@JonnyH> https://gist.github.com/JonnyH/23aff7ffee8554107b26e9db0d598909
11:14 <@JonnyH> works for me
11:14 <@JonnyH> but not sure how to add arbirary args
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14:20 < SupSuper> hey
14:22 <@JonnyH> hola
14:22 < SupSuper> i think i introduced precision problems in the game time :p
14:22 <@JonnyH> ...oh?
14:23 < SupSuper> well i couldn't rip out the existing "ticks" since it was used in tons of places and i didn't wanna break anything
14:23 < SupSuper> so i just convert the "ticks" in runtime to a boost ptime and format that
14:24 < SupSuper> so it's just a visual bug, the ticks stay the same :p probably because 1/60th of a second doesn't round nicely
14:24 <@JonnyH> what's the result of this 'bug'?
14:25 < SupSuper> it'd probably be solved if i just used ptime and a TICK_IN_MICROS but that's for braver people than i
14:26 < SupSuper> what matters i don't have to roll my own day-month-year tracking :p
14:28 <@JonnyH> so what's the ressult of this inaccuracy?
14:29 <@JonnyH> it seems to use microseconds by default for the ptime tick rate?
14:30 < SupSuper> probably because i'm adding 1/60ths to ptime which isn't an exact number of miliseconds
14:30 < SupSuper> 16.6666666666~ms rounded to 16ms slowly lose a second overtime :p
14:31 < SupSuper> also looks like i broke travis?
14:31 <@JonnyH> I think I fixed that...
14:32 <@JonnyH> on my branch
14:32 < SupSuper> ah
14:32 < SupSuper> dammit linux :p
14:33 < SupSuper> yeah i think i just went with "long long" since that's what pugixml used
14:33 <@JonnyH> the issue is we don't use 'long long' or 'uint64_t' everywhere
14:33 <@JonnyH> and, on x86_64 linux though they're the same size, they have different 'c++ mangling name' tyes
14:34 < SupSuper> figures
14:34 <@JonnyH> on win64 sizeof(int) == sizeof(long) IIRC
14:34 <@JonnyH> while linux x86_64 sizeof(long) == sizeof(long long)
14:35 <@JonnyH> so uint64_t is a 'long', not a 'long long'
14:35 < SupSuper> yeah there's a table here: http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/types
14:35 < SupSuper> windows values backwards compatiblity above all else :p
14:36 <@JonnyH> huehue, the pro london bike race had to be paused as they're too quick and catching up to the amateur one that set off a few hours ago :P
14:37 < SupSuper> lol
14:37 < SupSuper> well the 64-bit might come in handy later. penxcom eventually needed 64-bit funding values, because players are just that crazy :p
14:38 <@JonnyH> 'Bignum' time
14:43 < SupSuper> anyways all this just so i could start working on notification messages :p
15:00 <@JonnyH> That seems to be the way of things
15:00 <@JonnyH> 1) Intend to work on $FEATURE
15:00 <@JonnyH> 2) realise there are 50 things you need to do first
15:00 <@JonnyH> 3) Lose steam half-way through
15:05 < SupSuper> yeah
15:06 < SupSuper> i made facilities build overtime, then realized there is no way to notify the player from the gamestate so just left it at that
15:06 < SupSuper> i do the ui, you do the plumbing ;)
15:07 <@JonnyH> .time to add 'game' Events?
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16:02 < SupSuper> JonnyH: i need to store a StateRef of arbitrary type and know what type it is, recommendations?
16:03 < SupSuper> id and enum?
16:14 < Shadow> how do I provide const iterator for for loop?
16:14 < Shadow> atm I have begin() and end() methods, however cannot use them in const menthods
16:23 < SupSuper> cbegin and cend iirc
16:23 < SupSuper> or just use const_iterator
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16:26 < Shadow> doesn't work so far
16:27 < Shadow> or well nvm
16:27 < SupSuper> maybe detail your problems :p
16:27 < SupSuper> c++ is too ambiguous for quick answers
16:28 < Skin36> HI
16:28 < SupSuper> hey Skin36
16:30 < SupSuper> how goes?
16:40 < Skin36> good
16:41 < Skin36> work on turn_rate
16:41 < SupSuper> did you ever find any interesting building data?
16:42 < SupSuper> i noticed the price of a new base = amount of building tiles * per tile cost, which varies per building
16:43 < Skin36> building data ? what do you mean ?
16:43 < SupSuper> buildings on the city
16:44 < Skin36> Yes, I have already written about it. But I can see again
16:44 < SupSuper> do you have a link?
16:45 < Skin36> No, I think I just wrote here
16:45 < SupSuper> oh
16:45 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-1tfn6TNdS/
16:46 < SupSuper> what is that
16:47 < Skin36> direction to calculate the trajectory of the projectile  and turn_rate
16:48 < Skin36> numbers the angles, colors-directions
16:50 < SupSuper> damn that's really detailed
16:54 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: So the serialization code can't do dynamic types
16:55 <@JonnyH> so you'll likely have a list of each possible StateRef<Type>, all but 1 null
16:55 <@JonnyH> Or a pair of <Enum, StateRef<TypeBasedOnEnum>> or something?
16:55 <@JonnyH> wait... the pair won't work
16:56 < SupSuper> JonnyH: well it's just for the messages
16:56 <@JonnyH> Everything must have a known type at compile time for serialiasation
16:56 < SupSuper> at first i thought each message just needed a Vector3 location
16:56 < SupSuper> but then i realized they actually track the thing they're about
16:56 <@JonnyH> ...What will it 'do' with the event?
16:56 <@JonnyH> Like a callback to say "OK clicked" or whatever it is?
16:57 < SupSuper> and the thing might be gone by the time you go to the location
16:57 <@JonnyH> Otherwise we'll need a big list of switch on every possible event type for different handling in the message box?
16:57 < SupSuper> sorry, i mean the message history you have on the city screen
16:57 <@JonnyH> Isn't that just a string and postion?
16:58 < SupSuper> right
16:58 < SupSuper> but turns out it's not just fixed positions, it actually follows whatever the thing *is* (vehicles mostly)
16:58 < SupSuper> so i'll probably need a string and a id, and i turn the id into a StateRef in runtime
16:58 <@JonnyH> If there are just 'fixed locations' and 'TileObjects' you could probably deal with that?
16:59 <@JonnyH> sp<TileObject>? Do fixed locations still have a tile you can center on?
16:59 <@JonnyH> We probably need to have some EVent type to 'zoom screen to position' or something too
16:59 <@JonnyH> to set the TileView 'position'
17:00 < SupSuper> well for now i'm keeping it simple
17:00 < SupSuper> getting it working *first*, because that alone is a headache :p
17:08 <@JonnyH> It's probably a good idea to make TileView event driven anywy
17:08 <@JonnyH> for position of the camera that is
17:08 < SupSuper> you don't wanna have TileView pointers everywhere???
17:08 <@JonnyH> Into internal CityView state?
17:09 <@JonnyH> That sounds like a great idea!
17:09 < SupSuper> good thing we don't have internal state ;p
17:09 <@JonnyH> All State Is Global State
17:10 <@JonnyH> Still, we need a separation of things triggered by the GameState, and the things they trigger in the UI
17:10 <@JonnyH> Events probably will work for that
17:12 < SupSuper> well the most basic events are just "we need to show a message in a box" and "we need to show a message not in a box"
17:12 <@JonnyH> Stuff like 'research' zoom to a Stage
17:13 <@JonnyH> optionally to ufopaedia too...
17:13 < SupSuper> the question is should gamestate send a "pushstage" event or an event that later turns into a "pushstage" event
17:14 <@JonnyH> But it's optional?
17:14 <@JonnyH> We could create a State, and just throw it away if someone says 'no'
17:14 <@JonnyH> Probably not the end of the world
17:15 <@JonnyH> or a messagebox event has a yes/no callback
17:15 <@JonnyH> that can then push a pushstage event on 'yes'
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18:10 < Skin36> v10 = 50 * tile_count * (unsigned __int16)cost_bld_array[6 * (*(_DWORD *)&v6->field_A8 >> 16) + 1] / 100;// *&v6->field_A8 this bld_function
18:10 < Skin36> this
18:15 < Skin36> cost_bld_array  define tile size ( depend on bld_function)
18:26 < SupSuper> nice
18:26 < SupSuper> more stuff for JonnyH`Away to extract :p
18:28 < SupSuper> is bld_function the function associated with each building? like Warehouse/Slums/etc
18:42 < Skin36> yes
18:45 < SupSuper> currently we only know this about buildings: https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/blob/master/tools/extractors/extract_buildings.cpp#L10
19:05 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-6tfn6TNei/
19:06 < Skin36> bld_function
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19:19 < Shadow> looks like my 2nd attempt failed miserably
19:19 < Shadow> I made something like that:
19:19 < Shadow> http://pastebin.com/rSd4tCBZ
19:19 < Shadow> that could be used like that:
19:19 < Shadow> http://pastebin.com/w76sZxv5
19:20 < Shadow> however it sucks a bit, as compiler needs separate functions
19:20 < Shadow> i.e. Weapons() and cWeapons() because of constness
19:21 < SupSuper> i think iterators should implicitly cast to const_iterators, but not the opposite
19:21 < Shadow> need better idea
19:22 < Shadow> but api was nice to use
19:22 < Shadow> <SupSuper> i think iterators should implicitly cast to const_iterators, but not the opposite
19:22 < Shadow> <Shadow> need better idea
19:22 < Shadow> 			for (auto &item : equipment.General())
19:22 < Shadow> 			{
19:22 < Shadow> 				if(item->type->shielding > 0)
19:22 < Shadow> 				{
19:22 < Shadow> 					shieldModules.push_back(item);
19:22 < Shadow> 				}
19:22 < Shadow> 			}
19:23 < Shadow> would filter and iterate over all General equipment
19:23 < Shadow> and cast it to vEquipment
19:23 < Shadow> with reinterpret_cast
19:24 < SupSuper> Skin36: what tool is that?
19:28 < Skin36> this apocD
19:29 < Skin36> http://www.strategycore.co.uk/forums/topic/5290-apocd/
19:29 < SupSuper> huh why didn't we look there :p
19:29 < SupSuper> well maybe JonnyH`Away did but i didn't know
19:30 < SupSuper> i wonder if j'ordos is still around, he was the only one interested in apoc
19:30 < Skin36> JonnyH`Away did
19:30 < Skin36> j'ordos away from april (
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19:33 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 181896c SupSuper: Clean up UI
19:33 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 1efa9d1 SupSuper: Add Message History screen
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19:35 < SupSuper> i wonder what the price does
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20:00 < Skin36> price determines the value of the building when buying base
20:01 < Skin36> cost determines the  of building maintenance
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21:18 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/qlcfJ/f53ce144c3.png amazing
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21:47 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 67e606b SupSuper: Add function to buildings, fix base cost
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22:12 < Keise> nice :)
22:12 < Keise> do a purchase screen next :P
22:16 < SupSuper> ohhhhh that's what i was gonna do... before i got sidetracked and sidetracked and sidetracked and
22:21 < Keise> and I have to focus for the final push on ufos
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18:48 < Skin36> hi SUPSUPER
18:49 < SupSuper> hey
18:50 < Skin36> im figured out base cost )
18:51 < SupSuper> oh?
18:52 < Skin36> (size_x+1)*(size_y+1)
18:53 < Skin36> if simplified
18:54 < Skin36> complete function    http://pastebin.com/9FY0sj2Y
18:54 < Skin36> I hope everything is clear
19:02 < SupSuper> all that for a cost? :o
19:05 < Shadow> so it doesn't matter how many carved tiles are there?
19:05 < Shadow> one base can have 30% space of the other and cost as much>
19:05 < Shadow> ?
19:06 < SupSuper> it's the outer building size, not the layout size
19:06 < SupSuper> so yeah layout is irrelevant :p
19:14 < SupSuper> from experimentation all that does just come down to tiles * magical_constant
19:14 < SupSuper> who doesn't like magical constants!
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19:15 < Keise> magic.xml
19:16 < Skin36> cost=(size_x+1)*(size_y+1)*2000
19:17 < Skin36> magical_constant ? where ?
19:18 < SupSuper> https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/blob/master/game/ui/city/basebuyscreen.cpp#L17 shhhhhhhhh
19:19 < Skin36> it's not true, only the size of the building.
19:21 < Skin36> to buy, but for the maintenance of the building, the constants are taken from the array
19:22 < SupSuper> well 2000 is basically magical :p
19:22 < SupSuper> wait, buildings have maintenance?
19:22 < Skin36>  :)
19:23 < Skin36> Yes, buildings have maintenance costs, they also generate income.
19:24 < Keise> for AI organizations I guess
19:25 < SupSuper> hmmm there must be something else
19:25 < SupSuper> for warehouses your formula checks out. but the slums seem different
19:26 < Keise> is it off by constant?
19:26 < SupSuper> a 9x6 slum costs $96000, not $108000
19:27 < Skin36> I checked everything on the easiest level of the building, the formula worked
19:27 < SupSuper> maybe something off with how size is calculated?
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19:28 < Skin36> ок, im check it
19:29 < Keise> well that function in the snipper had nested loops
19:29 < Skin36> citymap_dat.has_basement=-1 maybe
19:35 < Skin36> im not find slums  9x6
19:35 < Skin36> where it ?
19:37 < SupSuper> bottom-right of novice map
19:37 < SupSuper> top-left slums (11x7) also don't add up
19:37 < SupSuper> unless i'm miscounting
19:39 < Keise> yea, 11x7 costs $112000
19:41 < Keise> and it's a different price per tile
19:42 < Skin36> (x2-x1+1) *(y2-y1+1)  correctly ?
19:42 < Keise> $1777 for 9x6 and $1454 for 11x7
19:43 < Skin36> not not not
19:53 < Skin36> see it
19:53 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-3tfn6TNeA/
19:53 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-6tfn6TNez/
19:53 < Skin36> 76-68+1=9
19:53 < Skin36> 69-64+1=6
19:53 < Skin36> 6*9=48*2000=96000
19:54 < Skin36> what's wrong ?
19:59 < SupSuper> hmmm in openapoc i get 77-70+1, 68-64+1
19:59 < SupSuper> there's probably something funky about our coordinate system
20:04 < Skin36> wrong coordinate
20:04 < Keise> 6*9 = 54, * 2000 = 108000 :)
20:05 < Skin36> hm
20:07 < SupSuper> the magic never ends
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20:15 < Skin36>   if ( v20 > 8 )
20:15 < Skin36>       v20 = 8;
20:15 < SupSuper> maybe there's some max, as 8*6*2000=9600, 8*7*2000 = 112000
20:15 < Skin36> see it
20:15 < Skin36> 8 max value
20:16 < SupSuper> aha
20:16 < SupSuper> i was so close via experimentation!
20:16 < Skin36> not
20:16 < SupSuper> :p
20:16 < Skin36> Once the code of the function
20:19 < SupSuper> it's very hard for me to read reversed code
20:20 < SupSuper> i hope the original wasn't so ugly :I
20:21 < Keise> same here
20:21 < Skin36>   if ( v21 < v0->x1position )
20:21 < Skin36>       v21 = v0->x1position;
20:21 < Skin36>       
20:21 < Skin36>       ....
20:21 < Skin36> (76+68)/2-3=69
20:21 < Skin36> (69+64)/2-3=63  ->64
20:21 < Skin36> 76-69+1=8
20:21 < Skin36> 69-64+1=6
20:21 < Skin36> 6*8=48
20:21 < Skin36> .....
20:21 < Skin36>   if ( v21 < v0->x1position )
20:21 < Skin36>       v21 = v0->x1position;
20:21 < Skin36>       
20:21 < Skin36>       ....
20:22 < Skin36> Use the top part of the function
20:23 < Skin36> (x2-x1+1) *(y2-y1+1)  this simplification
20:24 < SupSuper> checks out :)
20:25 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-6tfn6TNeB/
20:25 < SupSuper> so what's all the other code? compiler fluff?
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20:27 < Skin36> Yes, decompile sometimes contain garbage
20:27 < Skin36> here the main calculation of the size and cycles
20:31 < Skin36> although there is still something calculated.v22 | = 128u;v22 >> = 1;v11-> field_AE) = v22but I do not know that
20:32 < Skin36> 128u is 10000000
20:32 < Skin36> and shift 1 >>
20:33 < Skin36> layout or something
20:50 < SupSuper> what is has_basement for
20:51 < Skin36> its tile with basement
20:51 < SupSuper> apoc has basements?
20:51 < Skin36> yes
20:52 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-2tfn6TNeC/
20:52 < Shadow> Whole xcom base is located in basement
20:52 < Shadow> isn't it?
20:52 < Skin36> yes
20:52 < SupSuper> i guess so
20:52 < Shadow> why the heck I buy base
20:52 < Shadow> and then use just basement
20:53 < Shadow> what a waste :D
20:53 < SupSuper> because of the planning permits department!
20:54 < SupSuper> the real question is why don't people live underground
20:54 < SupSuper> sunlight is overrated :p
20:54 < Skin36> you can create in the editor any other building
20:55 < Shadow> I wish there was option to bribe
20:55 < Shadow> so you'd have permit to excavate
20:55 < Shadow> w/e just that can't build message is so funny
20:57 < SupSuper> they're pretty great
20:57 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-6tfn6TNeD/
20:58 < SupSuper> "Regulation 44(1)(e) of the health and safety at work (labs and workshops) "
20:58 < SupSuper> "act (2074) prohibits the construction of more than 6 small or more than 4 "
20:58 < SupSuper> "large labs or workshops in any one basement. Contractors therefore refuse to"
20:58 < SupSuper> " carry out the proposed illegal construction work."
20:58 < Shadow> wat
20:58 < Shadow> really is there something like that?
20:58 < Shadow> or you're kidding ;D
20:59 < SupSuper> there is
20:59 < SupSuper> (the actual reason is because it wouldn't fit in the ui :p)
20:59 < Shadow> ;D
21:00 < Shadow> tbh ui is terrible
21:04 < Skin36> im need go to sleep )\
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21:14 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SupSuper pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v6JJb
21:14 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 423b3aa SupSuper: Really fix base prices now
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21:20 < SupSuper> can't wait when i have to do base costs :p
21:21 < Keise> GameState::updateEndOfWeek() is right there :P
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02:28 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f4519f4 Ivan Shibanov: Weapon accuracy and precision
02:28 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 162e108 Ivan Shibanov: FollowVehicle mission
02:28 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 5439005 Ivan Shibanov: Extending city map
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09:39 < kkmic> http://pastebin.com/hYnnLw5i
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15:31 < smoke_fumus> guys, refresh my memory, how the hell do i get toxin type c, let along psi grenade?
15:43 < nadir> Catch Queenspawn
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18:49 < Skin36> hi
18:49 < SupSuper> hey
18:50 < Skin36> u read my post forum ?
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18:57 < SupSuper> huh the code isn't used?
18:59 < Keise> o/
18:59 < Keise> which code?
19:00 < SupSuper> cost code
19:03 < Keise> lol
19:03 < Keise> well now it's looking close to the original
19:03 < Keise> the prices doesn't make sense anyway
19:10 < Keise> I would pay for more 2x2 slots, not for useless buildings :P
19:17 < Skin36> second half of the function generates a  base layout , but it is not used
19:19 < Skin36> need fix it
19:20 < SupSuper> procedural layouts would've been more interesting. maybe they were very bad for gameplay?
19:20 < Keise> probably
19:21 < Skin36> in any case, should the price depends on the size.
19:23 < SupSuper> well it already does
19:24 < Keise> for a building, not a base
19:24 < Skin36> Still, I found the place where the selected base layouts
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19:28 < SupSuper> https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/blob/master/tools/extractors/common/baselayout.h i think JonnyH`Away already found them
19:29 < Skin36> not layout, selection algorithm
19:30 < SupSuper> oh
19:56 < SupSuper> hmmm i wonder if i could just treat game events like form events
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19:59 < Skin36> build_num % 16
20:00 < Skin36> http://pastebin.com/aFPLTAxF
20:01 < Shadow> can I submit pull request to wiki?
20:02 < Shadow> wanted to document some stuff
20:02 < Shadow> :C
20:02 < SupSuper> cant' everyone access the wiki?
20:02 < Skin36> stuff ?
20:02 < Shadow> I've added some extensions to forms xml loader
20:02 < Shadow> so you may size forms to parent or listbox item
20:02 < SupSuper> maybe we should just make a list of people for pmprog to add to git
20:03 < Keise> documentation is always good
20:03 < Keise> sure, push it
20:04 < Shadow> By default, only collaborators on your repository can make changes to wikis, but you can configure this to be enabled for all users on public repositories.
20:04 < Shadow> >.>
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20:17 < Shadow> are there items that give cross benefits?
20:17 < Shadow> I mean is it safe assumption to iterate only engines when calculating speed
20:17 < Shadow> or it's better to not place such assumptions?
20:18 < Shadow> maybe it would be better for modders not do so?
20:20 < SupSuper> technically you can, but it's certainly not in vanilla
20:21 < SupSuper> although the code will quickly be a mess if everything can be everything
20:26 < Shadow> it already is everything
20:26 < Shadow> just there are restrictions stuffed (if module is not engine then continue)
20:27 < Shadow> so it would make code better
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20:38 < Keise> well I could see some smart computer improving speed
20:42 < SupSuper> well apoc only has the concept of "engine", "weapon", "everything else"
20:43 < Keise> yea and everything else influences everything
20:44 < Keise> but anyway I agree that it's safe to stick to module types for now
20:44 < Keise> we won't be adding new params in near future
20:46 < SupSuper> refactoring is always fun
20:48 < Keise> I would refactor whole gamestate/stateref system with slow maps and string ids
20:49 < Keise> and silly getID() function that does a search every time
20:49 < Keise> but I know I'll get stuck for a while..
20:52 < SupSuper> i rarely need the ids, usually i can just fetch a stateref from the source
20:53 < Keise> when you create StateRef using object pointer it runs getID :P
20:53 < Shadow> what is point of staterefs?
20:53 < Shadow> wouldn't be better to have global table with ids?
20:53 < Shadow> and you would have magic macros
20:54 < Shadow> getVehicle(handle)
20:54 < Shadow> ?!
20:57 < SupSuper> mostly they're serializable smart pointers
20:57 < Shadow> ye
20:57 < Shadow> so I understand it works like that
20:57 < Shadow> if you load game
20:57 < Shadow> game resolves these pointers on first access
20:58 < Shadow> but this way everything must be pointer
20:58 < Shadow> or semi everything
20:58 < Shadow> i mean state ref poitner
20:58 < Shadow> am I wrong?
20:58 < SupSuper> it's c++, everything is pointers :p
21:00 < SupSuper> i mean you can do it the openxcom way where everything is manually-managed arbitrary raw pointers instead...
21:02 < Shadow> so no smart pointers?
21:02 < SupSuper> no, it's c++03
21:02 < Shadow> och my god
21:02 < Shadow> well I came from managed world :D
21:03 < Shadow> so it's shocking
21:03 < SupSuper> yeah... i'm glad JonnyH is a master of the c++11
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21:05 < Shadow> but how do you invalidate pointers
21:05 < Shadow> let's say craft dies, but you have it open in ui tab
21:06 < Shadow> how craft tells ui that it doesn't exist anymore
21:06 < Shadow> ?
21:09 < Keise> state.vehicles.erase(this->getId(state, this->shared_from_this()));
21:09 < Shadow> ye but on raw pointers
21:09 < Shadow> <SupSuper> i mean you can do it the openxcom way where everything is manually-managed arbitrary raw pointers instead..
21:12 < SupSuper> well you can't. so you just gotta be real disciplined
21:12 < SupSuper> all ui is modal, so it's impossible to lose a craft while a ui window is open
21:12 < Shadow> ok so another example
21:13 < Shadow> one craft is attacking another one
21:13 < Shadow> so both crafts must keep references to each other
21:13 < Shadow> pointers*
21:13 < Shadow> and say something like "hey, I just died so your pointer to me is invalid"
21:13 < Shadow> or there is better way?
21:14 < Shadow> sorry for asking silly questions, just for me it's really impressive ;)
21:15 < SupSuper> well for one thing, only the gamestate owns the pointers, so nobody else is allowed to hold on to them and prolong the lifetime of an object
21:16 < SupSuper> and second, any possible circular references are only resolved in the end
21:17 < Shadow> bah don't see it
21:17 < SupSuper> for example in craft combat, dead craft aren't deleted "immediately". one of the craft dies and once the combat ui is over the pointers are cleaned up and no longer used
21:17 < Shadow> och
21:17 < Shadow> makes sense now
21:17 < Shadow> so not really big difference compared to what we have now
21:17 < Shadow> nvm
21:17 < Shadow> not exacly what I wanted to say :D
21:18 < SupSuper> and if a craft dies, the destructor checks any other crafts currently targeting it and tells them to head back home, and any soldiers are deassociated, and etc
21:18 < SupSuper> yeah it's just a lot more "manual". you always gotta be aware of who knows what
21:19 < SupSuper> in openapoc's case, gamestate owns all the StateRef. so everytime you try to access a StateRef, it first checks if the id still exists in the state, otherwise it returns a null pointer. so it's less manual
21:19 < SupSuper> but if you expect to "lose" a stateref you have to check for null pointers, or only hang on to an id
21:20 < Keise> it's cool that you can regenerate pointer by id
21:20 < Keise> and it will point to the same object so you can compare pointers
21:20 < Shadow> what are performance implications?
21:20 < Shadow> of using smart pointers/
21:20 < Shadow> I mean
21:21 < Shadow> I can read 100 pages of google
21:21 < Shadow> but here we have two games, and one uses smart pointers while other does not
21:21 < Shadow> you tried to compare?
21:21 < Shadow> I guess not that easy
21:21 < SupSuper> well it's mostly because in openxcom days, c++ had no smart pointers. well, technically, they were garbage :p
21:22 < SupSuper> but c++ has evolved since
21:22 < SupSuper> the technical difference is a "raw pointer" is just a memory address, a quick lookup, no other overhead. but you have to manually decide when the memory is allocated and freed and not let it leak
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21:24 < SupSuper> a smart pointer is more managed. openapoc mostly uses "shared pointers", which keep track of how many pointers there are to an object. once all the pointers are gone, the object is freed. this avoids leaks and having to worry who owns what, you just can't have circular references
21:25 < SupSuper> shared pointers are the closest to managed languages, where once there are no more references to an object, it will eventually be garbage collected
21:27 < Shadow> thanks for explanation ;)
21:28 < SupSuper> no problem. so in openapoc's case you should definitely use the smartest option :)
21:28 < [1]Keise> auto and shared_ptr are the best features of c++11
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21:32 < SupSuper> in games you wanna be careful with shared pointers though, so you don't get a ui screen holding on to a dead craft or something :p but StateRefs already solve that
21:40 < Shadow> no problem with cycles though?\
21:40 < Shadow> I think that openapoc has memory leak on cityscape ;)
21:41 < SupSuper> well StateRefs are all owned by the gamestate, so no problem with cycles
21:41 < SupSuper> i don't know about leaks though :p
21:42 < SupSuper> plus there's plenty of regular shared pointers out there...
21:42 < Shadow> If i leave game open for few hours
21:42 < Shadow> it uses few times more memory
21:42 < Shadow> I would test it on server running for few days, but I have troubles transfering iso over remote desktop
21:43 < SupSuper> annoyingly smart pointers are harder to debug :)
21:44 < Shadow> harder than?
21:44 < SupSuper> raw pointers. there's plenty of tools to find leaks since you control the allocations
21:44 < SupSuper> but smart pointers... well, manage themselves :) so it's trickier
21:45 < Shadow> bah too abstract for me, never used such tools
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22:57 < SupSuper> speaking of leaks, openapoc crashes when i go into the base screen now :/
23:02 < Keise> huh
23:03 < Keise> had it
23:03 < Keise> 	auto minimap = mksp<RGBImage>(Vec2<unsigned int>{100, 100});
23:03 < Keise> oh okay
23:04 < Keise> I'll fix it
23:07 < SupSuper> bool VehicleMission::getNextDestination has no return value if case MissionType::Patrol:
23:07 < SupSuper> possibly related?
23:08 < Keise> it's almost a typo
23:09 < SupSuper> that must be a hell of a typo to cause a full on "the stack is broke and there's no debug info" compiler panic
23:12 < Keise> well break instead of return
23:12 < SupSuper> ah so it is that. i guess lacking a return value would break the stack
23:13 < SupSuper> why that isn't an error is beyond me :p
23:13 < Keise> dunno
23:13 < SupSuper> ~~c++~~
23:13 < Keise> yea there is no return at the end of the function and you think about break when looking at switch :)
23:13 < SupSuper> yeah i prefer return at end of function than "default: return"
23:15 < Shadow> bah
23:15 < Shadow> c++ in hardcore
23:15 < Shadow> when programming in c# i'm like
23:15 < Shadow> "och what a nice api I just made"
23:15 < Shadow> and when working in c++ i'm like
23:15 < Shadow> "och god, what template monster I just made"
23:15 < Shadow> >.>
23:16 < Shadow> good night ;)
23:16 < SupSuper> :p
23:17 < Keise> :))
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23:24 < SupSuper> http://codepad.org/YGsV4c0b i love you c
23:26 < Keise> oh wow
23:26 < Keise> undefined behaviour?
23:26 < SupSuper> yup. learn something new every day
23:28 < Keise> there are click events for minimap, right?
23:28 < Keise> on the base screen
23:29 < SupSuper> there are in apoc. i don't remember if i implemented that yet
23:29 < Keise> oh okay
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23:31 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] idshibanov pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v6TxA
23:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 14446ff Ivan Shibanov: Use offset for base screen minimap
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23:32 < Keise> there's 5-6 files for basescreen
23:33 < Keise> not sure what they do :)
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23:35 < SupSuper> magic
23:40 < Keise> I wonder if there's a better way to find if I have required UFOs in the alien city
23:40 < Keise> than looping all vehicles in the state
23:43 < Keise> have to do that 20-30 times for each alien mission until I can give up
23:44 < SupSuper> time to enforce -Werror in git :p
23:45 < Keise> I thought those fancy build system will do that for me
23:46 < Keise> I've set up it on my account at least to see linux builds
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00:03 < SupSuper> Keise: maybe split the vehicles by city?
00:04 < Keise> maybe
00:05 < Keise> however they jump between cities so doesn't belong to one
00:07 < SupSuper> maybe split them by "ufos" and "not ufos" :p
00:07 < SupSuper> or just have a handy count tracker
00:15 < Keise> hm.. might go with handy tracker
00:15 < Keise> count then use it to find a mission
00:16 < Keise> then work with actual vehicles..
00:16 < SupSuper> nothing wrong with redundant information... as long as it's kept in sync ;)
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08:26 < TheSnide> +1 to Werror and Wall ;)
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08:52 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: The problem with -Werror in build system is warnings appear/disappear with different compiler versions/local options...
08:52 <@JonnyH> I should add -W anyway by default to the gcc build though...
08:52 <@JonnyH> And maybe ignore signed/unsigned comparisons, as that's rarely an issue and a lot of noise...
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10:34 < smoke_fumus> it seems that apocalypse has dos4gw, but it's not  in the distro. my guess that it's packed along with executable. any way to unpack it?
10:36 < kkmic> OpenApocalypse/game/ui/general/savemenu.cpp:102:12: error: ‘put_time’ is not a member of ‘std’
10:39 < smoke_fumus> kkmic: http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/cstdlib/
10:40 < smoke_fumus> grep sources for put_time, if it's not a general function
10:43 < kkmic> So... what am I supposed to do?
10:44 < kkmic> Considering that I don't quite speak C++
10:44 < kkmic> I'm on Linux btw
10:53 < smoke_fumus> kkmic: Fixed for GCC 5
10:53 < smoke_fumus> install or build GCC5
10:53 < smoke_fumus> or newer
10:53 < smoke_fumus> you probably using gcc 3.6 or some version of gcc 4
10:54 < kkmic> Ok
10:54 < kkmic> gcc version 4.8.4 (Ubuntu 4.8.4-2ubuntu1~14.04.3)
10:55 < kkmic> Damn...
10:57 < kkmic> Great, no gcc 5 in the default repos
11:08 < smoke_fumus> you gots to compile it yourself then
11:09 < smoke_fumus> don't know why idiots even bother with linux if all you do is use stock repositories. You can only feel perfomance edge of *nix systems when you recompile them for your hardware specifically
11:10 < smoke_fumus> because stock repositories built with general flags to be as compatible to variety of archetictures as possible
11:10 < smoke_fumus> it's basically like running windows.
11:10 < smoke_fumus> only shittier
11:10 < kkmic> So... am I on the big or small idiots list? :)
11:10 < smoke_fumus> i don't know. What are you using linux for?
11:11 < kkmic> In my case, this is my workstation... so not much "compile the entire OS" thing that I can do
11:11 < kkmic> BTW, I managed to upgrade the GCC
11:11 < kkmic> Thanks for the tips
11:12 < smoke_fumus> Yah, you can. It's not that hard. first you start by bootstrapping compiler, build it with -mtune=native -march=native , don't forget general flags like -pipe, and include correct libraries like mpfr and stuff like that. THEN you re-build the compiler with -o3 with itself to, in case of late gcc, unlock full graphite lib optimizations. After that you suck in your os kernel and build that one,
11:13 < kkmic> :)
11:14 < smoke_fumus> after that - build as you see fit, but keep in mind that most heaviest stuff should be built by you - so GTK and KDE should be built, while distros which use them like libre office can be downloaded, since at that point they're mostly scripts which use power of core stuff
11:15 < smoke_fumus> Only after that you can compile wine and realize that half of the games which are slow on windows (on this specific machine) work faster on wine
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11:18 < kkmic> Okay, you've lost me :)
11:18 < smoke_fumus> one more thing - make sure you got all the nescessary drivers for x-server. Although that mostly gone away lately, i remember the times when xwin wouldn't launch because of lack of drivers
11:18 < smoke_fumus> ok then why the fuck are you even using linux? switch to windows
11:19 < kkmic> There was a time when I was keen on building everything for my home PC Linux installation
11:19 < kkmic> COMPANY POLICY!
11:19 < kkmic> Linux is free, Widows is $$
11:19 < kkmic> Among other things
11:19 < smoke_fumus> :\ why are you even building openapoc on work pc?
11:20 < kkmic> Keeping an eye on the project
11:27 < kkmic> Why are you so wind up against people using public distros?
11:27 < kkmic> They are supposed to make _using_ linux easier
11:29 < kkmic> Besides, not everybody need to understand exactly how the OS actually works, it is enough to be able to use it
11:45 < kkmic> I still had to fiddle around with the GCC versions, since cmake was using g++ and I had not upgraded that
11:47 < kkmic> [100%] Built target OpenApoc
11:47 < kkmic> Thanks again smoke_fumus
11:48 < smoke_fumus> kkmic: i am against because linux tries to be as easy as windows. it fucking isn't. because windows is a commercial product designed by designated teams which have objective keep product quality high, incentivized via money.
11:49 < smoke_fumus> Linux developers have objective to mostly fucking around, incetivized by jack squat
11:49 < smoke_fumus> Linus with his midlife crisis doesn't help either
11:51 < smoke_fumus> That's why most of the opensource projects need an evergrowing base of developers. because it's evershriking either. Without some form of material incentive you're left with only vanity and knowledge ones, and these wear off in 1-2 years.
11:52 < smoke_fumus> There are of course solutions - openra, to example, uses bounty system to push development forward
11:54 < kkmic> Well, yes, the Linux world is not quite.. standardised
11:54 < kkmic> Because there is no governing body that decides what to do
11:54 < kkmic> so yes, most developers do stuff as they see fit
11:54 < kkmic> And some see better, some see worse
11:54 < smoke_fumus> Because every single schmuck tries to drag the sheets to his own fucking corner. It's not just linux. Node-js development history is a shining middle finger example of such clusterfuck
11:55 < kkmic> And Linux attempting to be more non-technical-user-friendly is bad because... ?
11:56 < smoke_fumus> With this sheet draggery? Good luck
11:57 < smoke_fumus> Do or do not - there is no try. At the moment it does on the tip of the iceberg, when you shove your cock at least an inch deep - the bees and worms come out. In other words-  you don't want to screw with it if you need something to be done and you don't wanna bother with getting technical with it
12:00 < smoke_fumus> Because most of the games don't work with it natively, ones which do through wine gonna be generally slower than windows until you rebuild kernel, x-server, your window manager and wine with -mtune=native and -march=native
12:01 < smoke_fumus> most of the apps are poor man's versions of windows apps - blender is a joke when compared to 3dsmax/maya, gimp is tolerable but cannot be compared to photoshop without laughing out loud, LMMS is a janky piece of 'we wanna be like but cannot', when compared to FL Studio, and linux don't have any other DAWs that i know of
12:02 < smoke_fumus> the only app which actually kinda-sorta works, and even then is a poor man's version of illustrator is inkscape
12:02 < smoke_fumus> well to be honest it's kinda compatible with old corel draw, but still
12:03 < kkmic> Yep, those applications are pretty bad
12:03 < kkmic> They work, but are definitely not good
12:03 < kkmic> OpenOffice is a bit better IMHO
12:04 < smoke_fumus> it is mostly compatible with office 98-2003
12:04 < kkmic> I use Netbeans at work, so it makes no difference if I use Windows or Linux
12:05 < smoke_fumus> at least it's not eclipse :D
12:07 < kkmic> Netbeans was used by the company
12:07 < kkmic> And by me at the previous workplace
12:07 < kkmic> I have tried Eclipe with an Android application
12:07 < kkmic> *had
12:08 < kkmic> I haven't found it a good IDE for what I do
12:08 < kkmic> So I stick with NB
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13:14 <@JonnyH> kkmic: Yeah, that seems to be a gcc 4.8 issue
13:16 < kkmic> Solved by upgrading g++
13:16 <@JonnyH> We have the same issue on ubuntu with clang
13:16 < kkmic> I had to upgrade g++, as the gcc upgrade did nothing
13:16 <@JonnyH> as it uses the c++ library from gcc 4.8, even on the 'newest' clang
13:16 < kkmic> :|
13:16 <@JonnyH> Possibly? Depends how your distro packages it, g++ is 'part of' the gcc project
13:17 < kkmic> Ubuntu seems to think it's a different package
13:17 < kkmic> Probably there is a "meta" package that upgrades everything
13:17 <@JonnyH> It might be g++ 'depends' on gcc, but gcc doesn't automatically pull in 'g++'
13:18 < kkmic> But I haven't looked it up, so I upgraded gcc and g++ by hand
13:18 <@JonnyH> like you can install gcc without any c++ support
13:18 <@JonnyH> Our travis setup uses the ubuntu package way
13:19 <@JonnyH> If you're running a distro with a package manager (IE pretty much all?), it's normally a good idea to use packages (when available)
13:19 <@JonnyH> as otherwise you can 'accidently' overwrite some settings/config/something else
13:20 < kkmic> Yeah, I had to add a new apt repositry, install and then update-alternatives for the new versions
13:20 <@JonnyH> like on gentoo, for example, '/usr/bin/gcc' isn't actually the gcc program, but a forwarding script that allows having multiple different versions of gcc installed at once
13:20 <@JonnyH> cool, I think that's the ubuntu way of doing things (Or debian I suppose :)
13:21 < kkmic> Likewise here... /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/gcc which in turn is another symlink to /usr/bin/gcc-version
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16:23 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/v6IzJ
16:23 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 863e192 Jonathan Hamilton: physfs/libsmacker submodules got downgraded accidently
16:23 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3be87af Jonathan Hamilton: Add Debug builds to travis...
16:23 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d778f29 Jonathan Hamilton: gcc 4.8 build fix...
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19:11 < Shadow> hey
19:18 < Keise_> o/
19:20 < Skin36> hi
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19:36 < Shadow> how do I serialize list
19:36 < Shadow> with gamestate_serialize?
19:36 < Keise_> there should be a function already, no?
19:37 < Shadow> och true
19:37 < Shadow> but my problem is that my list is internal
19:37 < Shadow> to my object
19:37 < Shadow> so I cannot just say myObject.serialize(internalObj)
19:38 < Shadow> is there simple workaround or I must go hard way?
19:39 < Keise_> serializeIn(state, node->getNode("internalList"), obj.internalList)
19:39 < Keise_> or it's not for gamestate?
19:39 < Shadow> nioe
19:40 < Shadow> nope
19:40 < Shadow> vehicle has it's vehicleEquipment object
19:40 < Shadow> that has internal std::list of equipments
19:40 < Shadow> exposed by iterators
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19:45 < Keise_> ugh.. not sure what's needed
19:45 < Keise_> we already are serializing equipment list
19:46 < Keise_> in general it works function by function
19:46 < Keise_> one for vehicle that calls serialize on all members
19:46 < Keise_> then if the member is more complex (std::list) it calls other one
19:47 < SupSuper> what's up
19:47 < Keise_> if list contains VEquipment then it itself calls equipment serializer
19:47 < Keise_> so in the end all I have to do is to call first serializer and it will handle all other stuff
19:48 < Keise_> SupSuper: dev talk as usual
19:48 < SupSuper> the horror
19:50 < Keise_> Shadow: if all you have is the iterator then it's a one-way serialization?.. I'm not sure what's the use case
19:51 < Keise_> iterators should be re-initialized after state is loaded but not serialized
19:55 < Shadow> ye, it's one way serialization
19:55 < Shadow> I decided to copy list template
19:55 < Shadow> and use that for my iterator
19:55 < Keise_> yea for this you need something custom
19:56 < Shadow> compiler spits garbage though
19:56 < Shadow> I have no idea if my path is wrong or what
19:56 < Shadow> http://pastebin.com/68aNKdTA
19:57 < Shadow> 2>gamestate_serialize.cpp(1355): error C2908: explicit specialization; 'void OpenApoc::`anonymous-namespace'::serializeOut<OpenApoc::VehicleEquipment>(std::shared_ptr<_Ty>,const T &)' has already been instantiated
19:57 < Shadow> 2>          with
19:57 < Shadow> 2>          [
19:57 < Shadow> 2>              _Ty=OpenApoc::SerializationNode,
19:57 < Shadow> 2>              T=OpenApoc::VehicleEquipment
19:57 < Shadow> 2>          ]
19:57 < Shadow> could you take a look?
19:57 < SupSuper> compilers aren't great at template errors. usually clang figures them out better
19:59 < Keise_> well it just says that this function already exists
19:59 < Shadow> but it doesn't
19:59 < Shadow> I added that class and these 2 functions
19:59 < Shadow> and git says that I am right
20:00 < SupSuper> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/0w9xyawz.aspx
20:02 < Shadow> Doesn't really help
20:02 < Shadow> I understand error, but in that file are only "serializeOut" functions :C
20:04 < SupSuper> it means your serializeOuts are in the wrong order
20:04 < Shadow> och
20:04 < Shadow> can be
20:05 < SupSuper> if another serializeOut is calling your serializeOut, then your serializeOut needs to be defined before that one
20:05 < Shadow> works!
20:06 < SupSuper> aren't templates fun :p
20:07 < Shadow> gosh
20:08 < Shadow> but why it said that my template function was already instantiated?
20:08 < Shadow> I would expect it that it was not
20:08 < Shadow> I expected something like not found template serializeOut with parameters blah blah blah
20:10 < SupSuper> like it says in the msdn article, it was using the "general" template since that was the last match, so by the time it reached your explicit template, the template was "already instantiated"
20:10 < SupSuper> in other words: ~~templates~~
20:11 < Shadow> achhh I see
20:11 < Shadow> template <typename T> void serializeOut(sp<SerializationNode> node, const T &val);
20:11 < Shadow> /* Avoid out-of-order declarations breaking */
20:11 < Shadow> template <typename T> void serializeOut(sp<SerializationNode> node, const T &val);
20:13 < Keise_> SupSuper: is message system ready? for messages like 'vehicle destroyed'
20:14 < Keise_> I saw you did a screen for it
20:14 < SupSuper> i kinda wanted to talk to JonnyH`Away about it first
20:14 < Keise_> heh
20:14 < Keise_> I have some questions for him as well
20:15 < SupSuper> i was thinking of having GameEvents that the gamestate sends out and then the cityscreen or whatever can pick up and display messages as appropriate, reusing the existing ui event system
20:15 < SupSuper> but i don't know if having all these events under one system is good :p
20:15 < Shadow> hih
20:15 < Shadow> huh
20:15 < Shadow> looks like I made it
20:15 < Shadow> vehicle equipment is finally abstracted away
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20:16 < Keise_> wow
20:18 < Keise_> I would say that it's fine to have those events there
20:18 <@JonnyH> Hey y'all
20:19 < Keise_> hey we missed you
20:19 <@JonnyH> :)
20:19 <@JonnyH> I'm flying back to the US tomorrow
20:20 < Keise_> have weekend to get over jetlag?
20:20 <@JonnyH> naa, back to work on friday
20:20 <@JonnyH> Though this way isn't normally as bad, as it's just an '8 hour longer day'
20:21 <@JonnyH> not a '16 hour longer day' the other way :)
20:21 < Keise_> I guess
20:22 < Keise_> anyway I wanted to make a toggle yesterday on F7 or something
20:22 <@JonnyH> plus I can always limp through 1 half-day on friday :)
20:22 < Keise_> that will change current_city in the state and render other dimension instead
20:22 <@JonnyH> ...we really need to get around to abstracting key events
20:22 <@JonnyH> I might make that my next 'infrastructure' project?
20:23 < Keise_> I don't think it's that urgent
20:23 <@JonnyH> But it'll become bigger as we add more 'hardcoded' keys
20:24 < Keise_> maybe.. this one is a debug feature similar to that voxel screenshot
20:25 < Keise_> wanted to watch how UFOs behave
20:25 <@JonnyH> sure, but still if someone want fwhatever to become 'quicksave' or something later...
20:26 <@JonnyH> so feel free to hardcode for now
20:26 < Keise_> okay
20:26 < Keise_> so I ran into up<TileMap> on city and map copy on TileView
20:27 <@JonnyH> oh?
20:27 < Keise_> this basically means that I have to pop the state stack and recreate CityView with new map
20:27 < Keise_> haven't tried it
20:28 <@JonnyH> hmm... we probably want the TileMap to be part of GameState, not the view?
20:28 <@JonnyH> But explicitly not serialized
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20:29 < Keise_> TileMap sits in the city right now
20:29 < Keise_> ah, right
20:29 < Keise_> CityView (TileView) has a reference to the map
20:29 < Keise_> so I couldn't replace it
20:30 <@JonnyH> Creating a new Tileview stage and pushing that on 'top' of the human cityview should be ok?
20:30 <@JonnyH> Time is weird in the alien dimension
20:30 <@JonnyH> as it goes 'backwards' to the time your craft entered the gates
20:30 <@JonnyH> and you play the 'same time' again from the alien side...
20:30 <@JonnyH> Really no idea how to do that sanely
20:31 < Keise_> I think it was a ugly hack in the original :P
20:31 <@JonnyH> probably
20:31 < Keise_> skip day, load other dimension instead of the city
20:31 < Keise_> skip day load city again
20:32 <@JonnyH> it does mean my current idea of having the alien city 'updated' in time with the human city won't really work
20:32 <@JonnyH> as the alien city will have to be 'reversed' back to the time your first craft entered the gate
20:33 <@JonnyH> Unless we move from the old game design and have the two cities switchable in realtime...
20:33 <@JonnyH> that might get pretty crazy to manage though
20:34 < Keise_> right
20:34 < Keise_> although I like how it runs now
20:35 < SupSuper> hey JonnyH
20:35 <@JonnyH> hi sup
20:37 < SupSuper> so let's talk events :p
20:37 <@JonnyH> Oh no
20:37 <@JonnyH> I'm only on for ~15 mins or so
20:37 <@JonnyH> Then probably not till friday
20:37 < SupSuper> oh no
20:37 <@JonnyH> So we can 'start' discussions now
20:37 <@JonnyH> but don't expect to get much in-depth thought :)
20:38 < SupSuper> well i was thinking just creating GameEvents with appropriate data and send them through the framework ala ui events would probably be fairly effective
20:38 <@JonnyH> seems sane
20:38 <@JonnyH> A big enum of game event types?
20:39 <@JonnyH> Or have a string id or something?
20:39 < SupSuper> string id would be nice for options
20:39 < SupSuper> but that's a "implementation" detail, i'm thinking high-level for now
20:39 <@JonnyH> sure
20:40 < SupSuper> my only concern is game events don't really need the whole control hierarchy that ui events do
20:40 < SupSuper> so what's more wasteful, having two event systems or having useless event trees :p
20:41 <@JonnyH> 'Useless Event Trees'?
20:41 < SupSuper> events being needlessly sent through the control tree
20:41 <@JonnyH> We could add an if to Control::handleEvent
20:42 < SupSuper> granted realistically speaking, 99% of events will only be picked up by cityview or something
20:42 <@JonnyH> to not propogate anything that's not a known type (Mouse, Keyboard, Interaction, whatever)
20:42 <@JonnyH> or just if (event.type == USER) return;
20:43 <@JonnyH> but even then I've never seen the event handling stuff anywhere near the top of any profiler
20:43 <@JonnyH> so it's probably not the end of the world anyway
20:45 < SupSuper> true. i'll play around with it and get back to you
20:45 < SupSuper> i have a purpose, woo! :v
20:46 < SupSuper> don't tell my other projects
20:48 < Keise_> :))
20:49 <@JonnyH> Yeah, so I'm off
20:49 <@JonnyH> play safe kids
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19:21 < SupSuper> hey
19:26 < Keise> hi
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19:30 < SupSuper> how go the ufos?
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21:14 < Keise> just got home
21:15 < Keise> ufo's are alright, have to figure out missions
21:16 < Keise> plus they should spawn with delay
21:16 < Keise> for example escort ufos: they will support the other transport if you shoot down first
21:18 < Keise> it's easy to preset the missions at the moment you gather the ufos for incursions
21:18 < Keise> for transports especially: goto buidling, drop, go back
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21:26 < SupSuper> i wonder where the popup message graphic comes from
21:27 < SupSuper> this one i mean: http://puu.sh/qq0GR/dd4c71478f.png
21:31 < Keise> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/ufodata/icon_m.pck/pal_01.dat/RLEA/5.png
21:31 < SupSuper> yeah i can find the buttons but not the background pannel
21:35 < Keise> and both panels look like same thing just scaled
21:37 < SupSuper> maybe it's just a crude rounded rect drawing
21:39 < Keise> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41086005/ufo2p_box.png
21:39 < Keise> good enough? :D
21:40 < Keise> there's a 'fancy' highlight in the middle
21:41 < Keise> but other than that colors are solid
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16:25 <@JonnyH`Work> bah, clang-format seems to have some slight differences between 3.8.0 and 3.8.1
16:37 < Pawlac> the 3.8.1 is a patch release?
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah
16:38 <@JonnyH`Work> https://travis-ci.org/JonnyH/OpenApoc/jobs/149579658#L4837
16:38 <@JonnyH`Work> plus crlf in the xml files is nasty
16:38 < Pawlac> sounds a bit odd to me
16:39 < Pawlac> should the difference actually happen on Minor/Major releases or something?
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Sorry, that link is the wrong one...
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> It was just aroudn some msvc warning #pragma IIRC
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> plus using the rng for the initial state setup is annoying
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> as it 'changes' every time I regenerate the data...
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> That should be deterministic
16:41 < Pawlac> hmm couldn't you use a seed as a temporary solution?
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> and a non-default rng, IIRC c++'s 'default' is implementation-defined
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> so might be the same on the same build, but I build on msvc/gcc/different version of something and it might be different
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I have a plan of adding our 'own' rng so we can serialize rng state (NO SAVESCUMMING)
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> so I might do that
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17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> And now I'm back from holiday I might try to get a few more 'visible' features ticked off and do another progress update...
17:34 < Skin36> cool
17:39 < Shadow> Is there list of known open apoc bugs?
17:40 < Shadow> one wave before mothership I had wave of scouts and probes
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Shadow: no bug list as such
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> just the 'todo' list
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> feel free to add things to that if they don't work as expected
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know if having a proper 'bug' tracker is necessary at this point
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> as it'll mostly be 'missing features' rather than 'bugs' as such
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17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> but if you don't want things to get lost, github issues will work I suppose
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18:12 < Shadow>  I mean bug in actual game
18:12 < Shadow> not in remake
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh... I think ufopaedia.org has the 'best' current analysis of the origianl game for stuff like that
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> It might make sense to go through some of Skin36's recent stuff and update/add ufopaedia.org wiki pages accordingly
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> and IIRC you relatively often got waves of probes etc. late game if you destroy enough ufos so they have no ufos that fit one of the 'later' missions
18:16 < Shadow> ye, however ufoapedia bug list if fot eu and tftd only
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> add a page then :)
18:16 < Shadow> well not sure if it was bug
18:17 < Shadow> you say that it may be due to many destroyed ufos
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> http://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/UFO_Incursions_(Apocalypse)
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> has a list of the ufos required for each mission type
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> if it doesn't have enough for the 'current' week, I think it goes up the list until it find one with ufos available
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> though the ufopaedia site seems really slow for me right now...
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> it's _really_ slow for me...
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe we should host the apoc wiki somewhere else :P
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19:50 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2f3f42c Jonathan Hamilton: Enable '-W' warning flag on travis builds
19:50 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master bfcbe53 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix build with tinyxml2 4.0+...
19:50 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 480113f Jonathan Hamilton: Format...
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20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> hi SupSuper
20:48 < SupSuper> hey
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> So guess I should do another progress video soonish :?)
20:50 < SupSuper> *shrug* i havne't done anything since, dunno about the rest :p
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> When we can actually see the ufos flying around it might be something useful
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think I've done any 'visible' features
20:52 < SupSuper> i might do messages soonish?
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and replace the current 'research complete' dialog?
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Actually, that doesn't use the standard in-city message stuff does it..
21:08 < Shadow> I have naming problem
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> one of the most difficult problems in programming there..
21:08 < Shadow> luckly we don't have to deal with cache invalidation :)
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> or off-by-1 errors
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21:11 < Shadow_> ok
21:11 < Shadow_> weird connection errors :C
21:11 < Shadow_> btw, this is methods I used to debug glsl shaders
21:12 < Shadow> you can get around off by 1 errors with adding or subing 1 in various places
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21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> ...we have issues with our glsl?
21:13 < Shadow_> nioe
21:13 < Shadow_> nope
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, you just mean generally debugging glsl :)
21:14 < SupSuper> glsl is just "fun" to debug
21:14 < Shadow_> luckly it wasn't "our" glsl :)
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> renderdoc + apitrace
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Otherwise you'll go mad
21:15 < SupSuper> i know the guy who does renderdoc, he is definitely mad in some way :p
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> crazy mofo
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> we also have a gdb plugin
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> where you can break and step through shaders
21:17 < Shadow_> I'm generally using this method
21:17 < Shadow_> http://i.imgur.com/XckpI.jpg
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's a massive pain to find the 'correct' instance of a shader and break on that
21:17 < SupSuper> Shadow_: that's equally appliable to gl
21:18 < Shadow_> back to my naming problem :)
21:18 < SupSuper> "i can't see shit. is my camera wrong? did i set up the viewport right? did i forget some obscure gl flag? am i looking at a backface? etc etc"
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> apitrace apitrace apitrace
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> view the vertices at vshader input
21:19 < Shadow_> I have Equipment (inherited by vequipment) for single item and some other class for all equipment of unit (used to be list in vehicle class)
21:19 < Shadow_> and idk how to name it, as equipment doesn't have plural form in english?
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> equipment is pleural :P
21:20 < SupSuper> inventory?
21:20 < Shadow_> och
21:20 < Shadow_> great!
21:20 < Shadow_> thanks :D
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> InventoryItem?
21:20 < Shadow_> hmmm
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I consider the 'inventory' to be the set of items within
21:20 < SupSuper> well he said it's the list
21:20 < Shadow_> atm equipment is single item
21:21 < Shadow_> doh stupid english
21:21 < SupSuper> now you have the problem that equipment/inventory is better for the group, but "item" is awfully generic for the singular thing :p
21:21 < Shadow_> but I guess equipment = item is ok?
21:22 < SupSuper> yeah i think a Inventory containing Equipment is alright
21:22 < Shadow_> ok, thanks!
21:22 < SupSuper> since we already have Equip classes
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> VehicleEquipment
21:23 < Shadow_> ye, VEquipment
21:23 < Shadow_> I see that you like short names :)
21:23 < SupSuper> the unix approach
21:24 < SupSuper> hm i just thought of a better way of writing code i did before
21:24 < Shadow_> I'm used to stuff like IAnonymousRetailOrderHistoryTokenGenerator
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> VEqp
21:24 < SupSuper> that's how you know it's good!
21:24 < SupSuper> Shadow_: enterprise much? :D
21:24 < Shadow_> kind of
21:24 < Shadow_> but I like it
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> IRanOutOfHorizontalSpaceInMy80ColumnVirtualTerminal
21:24 < SupSuper> i hear ya i'm a boring old enterprise dev by day as well
21:24 < Shadow_> :D
21:25 < Shadow_> I think enterprise is fun
21:25 < Shadow_> as long as you are chef engineer
21:25 < SupSuper> i'd like it more if everything wasn't an interface rendering "find definition" useless
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm... tasty codes
21:25 < Shadow_> SupSuper: you use c#?
21:26 < SupSuper> java and c#, depending on the product
21:26 < Shadow_> find implementations?
21:26 < SupSuper> i loathe eclipse though >_>
21:26 < SupSuper> yeah jumping to the implementation of a method call. if it's an interface then eclipse will take an hour to figure out the possibilities and likely crash
21:26 < Shadow_> pcj
21:26 < Shadow_> och
21:26 < Shadow_> resharper does so instantly
21:27 < SupSuper> you're better off just doing a class hierarchy or a live debug
21:27 < SupSuper> yeah i really hate eclipse :p
21:27 < Shadow_> switch to one true msvs :D
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> mapped to 'ctrl-| g' in my vim - goto implementation :)
21:27 < SupSuper> well not every client wants c#. sometimes they want java... sigh...
21:27 < SupSuper> but at home it's vs+resharper all the way :D
21:28 < Shadow_> well one pros of being chef enginner is that you say what you want write in ;)
21:28 < Shadow_> I work in small company though
21:28 < SupSuper> i'm sure JonnyH`Work is disappointed that the vs users outnumber him now :p
21:28 < Shadow_> < 100 employee
21:28 < Shadow_> :D
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I AM WORTH 50 VS PROGRAMMERS!
21:28 < SupSuper> ah that makes sense
21:28 < SupSuper> lol
21:28 < Shadow_> lol
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, I've heard good things about the c++ support of the new vs code version too
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I might give it another go
21:29 < Shadow_> not worth it
21:29 < SupSuper> no resharper no go :p
21:29 < Shadow_> generally my rule of thumb with microsoft products - if resharper doesn't work on it, don't bother
21:29 < Shadow_> :D
21:29 < SupSuper> i was reborn when resharper added c++ support
21:30 < Shadow_> I kinda like it
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> probably someone's done a clang-rewrite plugin by now...
21:30 < SupSuper> it's so good
21:30 < Shadow_> yeach
21:30 < SupSuper> beats visual assist all the way
21:30 < Shadow_> I have no idea what I'm doing, still it works
21:30 < Shadow_> alt enter until it stops being red :D
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> That's like writing letters only using the top predictive typing suggestion :P
21:31 < Shadow_> well
21:32 < Shadow_> It's like horse taking you home when you're too drunk to ride
21:32 <@JonnyH`Work> the horse will take you to a valid home
21:32 <@JonnyH`Work> but might not be the one you intended
21:33 < SupSuper> that's c++ in a nutshell :p
21:33 < Shadow_> I guess that's not resharper problem :D
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, c++ might take you somewhere that looks a little like a house, so you step inside
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> only to realise it's actually a bottomless pit
21:36 < SupSuper> reinterpret_cast<House>(pit)
21:37 < Shadow_> bah, speaking of reinterpret_cast - why it doesn't work for pointers?
21:37 < SupSuper> the horse was also a pit
21:37 < Shadow_> lol, n1
21:37 < SupSuper> reinterpret_cast is bad. you likely want dynamic_cast or static_cast
21:37 < Shadow_> nah, I want reinterpret
21:38 < Shadow_> I want to cast derived class to parent
21:38 < Shadow_> and I know that it is right based on enum, so no need of dynamic_cast checks
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> static_cast will do that
21:38 < SupSuper> you can do that with static_cast
21:38 < Shadow_> sorry
21:38 < Shadow_> base to derived
21:39 < SupSuper> since pointers can be cast to anything
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> does static_cast not work there? It should....
21:39 < Shadow_> well base class may not be derived class
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> you should only need reinterpret_cast if you type pun to void*, some non-pointer type, or something outside the class heirachy completely?
21:39 < SupSuper> reinterpret_cast is literally "this memory block has a X but i wanna treat it like a Y", so it doesn't apply to pointers because they're always just addresses
21:39 < Shadow_> i mean
21:40 < Shadow_> auto pointer
21:40 < Shadow_> or
21:40 < Shadow_> well
21:40 < Shadow_> sp<thing>
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> you can reinterpret_cast<type*>(pointer_to_different_Type)
21:40 < Shadow_> i want to cast it to sp<derived_thing>
21:40 < Shadow_> couldn't find a way except reinterpret_pointer_cast in cpp 16\
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, sp<> can't be reinterpret_cast as it's not a base type, it has magic data contained (opaque refcount + destructor pointer)
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> static_pointer_cast<>?
21:41 < Shadow_> nope
21:41 < SupSuper> ok you must be doing something weird
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> that should expand to reinterpret_cast<T*>(r.get())
21:41 < SupSuper> c++ won't even give you the courtesy of checking if your cast is valid so :p
21:41 < Shadow_> sp<VEquipment> vehicleEquipment = std::dynamic_pointer_cast<VEquipment, Equipment>(equipmentToAdd);
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> (if static_cast, dynamic_cast and const_cast all fail to substitute with type <T>
21:42 < Shadow_> this works, however I am unhappy because of runtime check
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> it's static_pointer_cast<T>, not *T or sp<T> or anything weird
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> dynamic_pointer_cast is fine
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH the 'runtime check' cost is tiny on any sane compiler
21:43 < Shadow_> ye, still I can just compare two ints instead of traversing type table
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> don't optimise until you've shown it to be a problem
21:43 < SupSuper> anyways to clarify things:
21:44 < SupSuper> dynamic_cast = i wanna cast this class to another cast in the hierarchy and have the compiler validate it (only works for virtual inheritance)
21:44 < Shadow_> generally I've read docs
21:44 < SupSuper> static_cast = just convert X to Y, i know what i'm doing
21:45 < SupSuper> reinterpret_cast = treat X as Y without any conversion at all (afaik this is meaningless for pointers since they're always just addresses)
21:45 < Shadow_> ye, but usually compiler won't compile unless type is correct :)
21:45 < SupSuper> well c++ trusts you :p even dynamic_cast is only checked at runtime
21:46 < Shadow_> anyway, they added reinterpret_pointer_cast at cpp 16
21:46 < Shadow_> (or 17?)
21:46 <@JonnyH`Work> not-yet-released so likely 17 at this rate :)
21:46 <@JonnyH`Work> c++1z in gcc terms
21:46 <@JonnyH`Work> (11 was x, 14 y)
21:46 < Shadow_> what then?
21:47 < Shadow_> they'll overflow to a?
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> static_pointer_cast *should* work
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> considering they had to rename c++11 from c++0x to c++1x those names are not 'stable'
21:47 < SupSuper> should've just called it c+++
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> c+++1
21:48 < Shadow_> och well static cast works
21:48 < Shadow_> damn me
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> between pointers static_cast should work
21:48 < Shadow_> apparently I messed something else back then
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> reinterpret_Cast is normally useful where there is a 'sane' conversion you *dont* want
21:48 < SupSuper> well the casts only take one type, that might've been it
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> (like int-to-float is well defined truncation, but you might just want the bits of the float in an integer type)
21:48 < SupSuper> like here you wrote std::dynamic_pointer_cast<VEquipment, Equipment> instead of std::dynamic_pointer_cast<VEquipment>
21:49 < SupSuper> i think pointers in the same hierarchy are even implicitly static cast for you but don't quote me on that :p
21:49 < Shadow_> well it compiles
21:49 <@JonnyH`Work> the second template arg is inferred from the argument
21:49 < Shadow_> with 2 parameters
21:49 <@JonnyH`Work> so not needed
21:49 < Shadow_> och
21:49 < SupSuper> templates *shakes fist*
21:49 < Shadow_> I just was in state of trying everything
21:50 < SupSuper> reinterpret_cast probably works for pointers but it's just too dangerous to use
21:50 < SupSuper> because it can do anything and the compiler won't tell you about it
21:50 < Shadow_> apparently static cast was broken because of some other thing, then I saw reinterpret_pointer_cast and I thought that's that it is for
21:50 < Shadow_> what is it for*
21:51 < SupSuper> so if you accidentally pass a non-pointer to reinterpret_cast things will get interesting
21:51 < SupSuper> probably as interesting as not having a return value in all code paths :p
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> A quick grep shows I use reinterpret_cast for function pointers
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and arrays-to-pointers conversions
21:52 < SupSuper> you monster
21:52 < SupSuper> (says the guy that uses c-style casts)
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
21:52 < Shadow_> does array to pointer need conversion?
21:52 < SupSuper> it's usually implicit
21:52 < SupSuper> memory-wise they are the same
21:53 < Shadow_>  ye, that's what I remember
21:53 < Shadow_> sp<> then I guess
21:53 < SupSuper> c++ just loves having multiple redundant confusing approaches for everything :p
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, interfacting with other librarys (like annoying GLUchar* typedefs in opengl)
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> it might be equivalent to use static_cast<> for everything the GLwhatever types can sanely be typedef'd to
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> but you never know
21:54 < SupSuper> tbf opengl is basically its own language
21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a C api
21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> wedging it into the c++ type system isn't great...
21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> worse, it's a 1980s C api
21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> like win32 :P
21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> LPSTR..
21:55 < SupSuper> *shudders*
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> honestly, why are 'strings' in C *signed* chars?
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> madness...
21:56 < Shadow_> wut
21:56 < Shadow_> are they?
21:56 < SupSuper> at least directx is c++... even if it's full of com
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> the <string.h> functions take char*
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> not unsigned char*
21:56 < Shadow_> och
21:56 < Shadow_> true
21:57 < SupSuper> i'm glad every other language figured out "char = byte" is just weird
21:57 < SupSuper> typedef unsigned char byte god there
21:57 <@JonnyH`Work> uint8_t
21:59 < SupSuper> if only that didn't require a header :p
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> a lot of c is _extremely_ legacy, like expecting 8bit registers
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I doubt theres a language used in such a range of tiny 8-bit ucontrollers to 64bit top-end cpus
22:00 < SupSuper> uhhhh... cobol? :v
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> if they just removed non-stdint types I'd probably be happy enough
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> cobol may have the age, but it's always been used on 'big' machines
22:02 < Shadow_> well there's pascal
22:02 < Shadow_> :)
22:13 < Shadow_> if this ok:
22:13 < Shadow_> return std::static_pointer_cast<EquipmentType>(type.getSp());
22:13 < Shadow_> type is stateRef
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> if type is a stateref of a subclass of EquipmentType you probably don't need the conversion anyway?
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> if it's down the inheritance tree that looks good though
22:17 < Shadow_> it says that return cannot convert to base
22:17 < Shadow_> apparently sp<> is not covariant
22:20 < SupSuper> i changed GameTime to have a stored boost::ptime instead of recreating it every single tick. i'm sure this will increase performance by huge unnoticable levels!
22:20  * JonnyH`Work checks profile
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Top: SupsupersCrappyCode()
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Nice you kept that in the function name so I could blame you quickly
22:22 < SupSuper> i kinda would like to compare the before-after so i can weep at the miliseconds i wasted time on :p
22:22 < SupSuper> but i'm no good at profiling
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I use the command like save loading and frame limit for that
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Best 'reproducable' run I can think of
22:22 < Shadow_> speaking of time
22:22 < Shadow_> why in apoc my agents travel back in time after mission ends?
22:23 < SupSuper> battlescape time is fake
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus the battlescape is a different .exe that has a 'starting' time
22:23 < SupSuper> same as alien city time :p
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> but that's not fedback to the city
22:24 < SupSuper> it's a neat concept until they immediately went "wait time travel would be a pain and not fun for the player at all"
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> You might be able to play the mission, then reverse time in the cityscape but lock the agents & craft for the mission time for the length of the mission
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> but then how annoying would that be if a ufo popped up or something else happened and they were stuck there :P
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not realistic, but probably more 'player friendly' to have battlescape missions have a fake time, and 'instant' as far as the city is concerned
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Same as previous xcoms really, though they didn't even pretend to have a battlescape 'time'
22:26 < SupSuper> apoc doesn't even have light so :p
22:27 < Shadow_> well
22:27 < Shadow_> battlescape shouldn't be broken
22:27 < Shadow_> and all events should be delayed until you finish
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know
22:28 < Shadow_> or no timer on battlescape
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> It would be really frustrating in some situations if your agents were 'stuck' due to something that hadn't happened yet
22:28 < Shadow_> why they would be stuck?
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> if they had to 'wait' until the end of the mission time before they 'finished' the mission int he cityscape
22:29 < Shadow_> och
22:29 < Shadow_> well that's other possiblity
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> If you just skipped the time in the city what would happen in between?
22:29 < Shadow_> I think it would be nice
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> if there are still ufos around?
22:29 < Shadow_> well
22:29 < Shadow_> there is another option
22:29 < Shadow_> you enter building
22:29 < Shadow_> battelscape starts
22:30 < Shadow_> you finish missions
22:30 < Shadow_> then you move back in time to where cityscape was before
22:30 < Shadow_> then after duration of battlescape mission you have message
22:30 < Shadow_> "vehicle1 returning from mission in xyz"
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> but the agents & craft are 'busy' and can't do anything else until the time of the mission 'finish'
22:31 < Shadow_> ye
22:31 < Shadow_> that's how universe weorks
22:31 < Shadow_> works
22:31 < SupSuper> granted crafts not getting "stuck" is the reason it's never necessary to have more than one craft ever in any x-com game :p
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> but it'll be frustrating for the player if something happened during that time
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe not likely though
22:31 < Shadow_> like what can happen then?
22:32 < SupSuper> well they can have *two* craft
22:32 < Shadow_> unless you parked in middle of alien fleet with motherspawn
22:32 < SupSuper> mind-boggling i know
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> if it was 'realtime' you could say "Oh no, a ufo has appeared, abort the mission as we need the missile launcher on your transport craft' or something
22:32 < Shadow_> well
22:33 < Shadow_> so there finally would be reason to use apc?
22:33 < Shadow_> alternative solution
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Or maybe you could launch the craft, but you had to put it back into the building to take them home after the mission ended?
22:33 < Shadow_> well
22:33 < Shadow_> they could go back home on foot
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Or you lose the loot? They could walk home :P
22:34 < Shadow_> there's bigger problem
22:34 < Shadow_> what if you are on ufo mission and you take off
22:34 <@JonnyH`Work> you can't walk to crashed ufos
22:34 <@JonnyH`Work> they're not on the people tubes :P
22:34 < Shadow_> what if you are on ufo mission and you take off
22:34 < Shadow_> bah
22:34 < Shadow_> ye
22:34 < Shadow_> I guess you couldn't launch from such missions?
22:35 <@JonnyH`Work> or maybe it's 'finished', but doesn't disappear until you pick your guys up again
22:35 < Shadow_> and you have ufo parked for months?
22:35 < Shadow_> looks weird
22:35 <@JonnyH`Work> and if you don't pick them up in ~24 hours they all get hungry and start getting unhappy
22:35 < SupSuper> whoops i broke the time again
22:35 < SupSuper> optimizing!
22:35 < Shadow_> or alternative solution
22:35 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
22:35 < Shadow_> assume nothing happens on cityscape while fight is going on
22:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I think this is something where it's just easier to say "Do the same as original apoc, even if it's 'weird'"
22:36 < Shadow_> It fucks up your saves
22:36 < Shadow_> becasue you save after you finish tact mission
22:36 < Shadow_> then you leave
22:37 < Shadow_> and next day you see save from inside tact mission with time later than city save
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess there will be a 'BattleState' independant of GameSTate
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> initialised with the current GameState time
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> but during battle GameState::update is _not_ called
22:37 < Shadow_> well just don't track time on battlestate then
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> there's a clock in the corner, for better or worse
22:38 < Shadow_> or at least don't reproduce save shuffling
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> 'save shuffling'?
22:38 < Shadow_> beacuse it's really frustrating
22:38 < Shadow_> <Shadow_> It fucks up your saves
22:38 < Shadow_> <Shadow_> becasue you save after you finish tact mission
22:38 < Shadow_> <Shadow_> then you leave
22:38 < Shadow_> <Shadow_> and next day you see save from inside tact mission with time later than city save
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, you mean the 'time' in savegame ui...
22:39 < Shadow_> I think that it's much bigger problem that craft being stuck in building fro a minute
22:39 < Shadow_> or whatever
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> you can't do that, as there are still 2 points in the gameplay with overlappping time
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> so would have the same savegame UI issues
22:40 < Shadow_> you can fix it by not rewining game timer
22:40 < Shadow_> after leaving battlescape
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> but you have to in order to play the cityscape 'during' the battle
22:40 < Shadow_> yes, but assuming that time in the city freezes when team goes on mission
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe make the save game 'just' use the city time
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> so all saves within a battle have the 'same time'?
22:41 < Shadow_> is better assumption that randomly rewining time for saves
22:42 < Shadow_> freezing time on battlescape is not good also
22:42 < Shadow_> becasue if you save 3 times
22:42 < Shadow_> you load random save then>?
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> they all have the 'same' time
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> which would make sorting/figuring out which is 'newer' difficult
22:42 < Shadow_> ye
22:43 < Shadow_> so
22:43 < Shadow_> do like this
22:43 < Shadow_> time always flows with user
22:43 < Shadow_> and if user isn't somewhere
22:43 < Shadow_> time there freezes
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe having sort of 2 times is better
22:43 < Shadow_> therefore it's intuitive
22:43 < Shadow_> and user can just follow timer
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> if in battle, sort (city time) then by (battle time) if the same city time
22:44 < Shadow_> bah
22:44 < Shadow_> just don't rewind timer
22:44 < Shadow_> after leaving battle
22:44 < Shadow_> that's all what you need
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> but then that time 'never passed' int he city?
22:44 < Shadow_> still better than passing back
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so everything just stood still for a few mins :P
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> It would be weird if there is an ongoing fight
22:45 < Shadow_> as weird as fight completing in 0 seconds
22:45 < Shadow_> but wouldn't confuse people
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but where it's 'kinda weird' either way, I'd lean towards doing the same thing as the original
22:46 < Shadow_> yeach but unlike original you can say which save is later
22:46 < Shadow_> without loading it
22:46 < Shadow_> I guess that's what point of "time" is
22:46 <@JonnyH`Work> still, if it doesn't do the same thing as the original someone will complain :P
22:47 < Shadow_> c'mon
22:47 < Shadow_> who will complain
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> If that means saves are more difficult to order, then we may just have to accept it for 1.0
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> no, someone will complain about the 'missing city time' or something
22:47 < Shadow_> that's just logic thing to do
22:47 < Shadow_> yeach like now i'm complaining about missing battlescape time
22:48 < SupSuper> games are not "logic", they are nostalgia :p
22:48 < Shadow_> but there won't be 10 people complaining about missing saves
22:48 < SupSuper> this is the case where you make it default to original behavior and an option for what to do with that "missing time"
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH I always named my saves with incrementing integers
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Or add a 'real world' date/time - quite a few games do that
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably more people go "I want to continue the game I was playing last night"
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> than "The one at 15:30 March 13th 2056 in-game" ( or whatever the dates are :)
22:49 < Shadow_> I thought that we're making remake to NOT include original defects and bugs
22:49 < Shadow_> ;)
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> 'optionally' remove the defects
22:50 < Shadow_> och
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> One man's bug is another man's nostalga inducing 'quirk' :P
22:50 < Shadow_> well
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> But really, if I was designing from scratch I would have the save time as 'real world'
22:51 < Shadow_> but this way you may have two games
22:51 < Shadow_> one really long on superhuman
22:51 < Shadow_> and one short on easy
22:51 < Shadow_> you may play em both and tell difference by time :)
22:51 < Shadow_> so there is use case
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> It's unlikely you'll play both in one 'sitting'?
22:52 < Shadow_> ye, but you could swap
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> But from that, having 'week/day' ingame and the difficulty would probably be a better identifier than the ingame-time exactly
22:52 < Shadow_> ye
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> plus the realworld time for which save was 'later'
22:52 < Shadow_> obviously
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and that might be a better ui design for the save
22:53 < SupSuper> apparently GameTime gets initialized like 3 times when state starts up :p
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: I guess once constructed, by the 'empty' GameState, then again as the 'initial' state is serialized in?\
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure where the third comes in...
22:53 < Shadow_> difficulty
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> difficulty, day/week, if in battle
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I wouldn't remember what 'ingame' time it was :P
22:54 < Shadow_> third time come from loading difficulty mod
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> that's the serializeIn
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Unless it's both in the serializedIn data, and the startGame() call?
22:55 < Shadow_> start game sets it to correct values
22:55 < Shadow_> serialize in loads 0s
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> then it shouldn't be in the 'difficulty mod' data at all?
22:55 < SupSuper> i think it's generated by the extractor
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, 'caus that serialzeOut doesn't skip "default" values :P
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> which was one thing I was trying to solve a way back
22:56 < Shadow_> serializeOut adds node with 0 ticks
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> but ended up being too ugly to even look at
22:56 < Shadow_> so when difficulty gets precomputed 0 goes there
22:56 < Shadow_> I think
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> serializeOut will (uselessly) write out the default GameState constructed state :)
22:56 < Shadow_> I guess it shouldn't
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe we could move teh 'start time' to the 'extracted data'
22:57 < Shadow_> I think that not serializing 0 would be ok
22:57 < Shadow_> start time could be in xml then
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> but then startGame() would just clobber that
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> if you changed it a mod
22:57 < Shadow_> well everything should not serialize default values
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> as startGame() is called after mod loading
22:57 < Shadow_> ye
22:57 < Shadow_> so remove it from startGame
22:57 < Shadow_> and leave it in xml only
22:57 < Shadow_> so mod can override it
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I was looking into trying to autogenerate something like if (value == defualt) skipSerialize()
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> without having to add a lot more hand-written code for each type in gamestate_serialize.cpp
22:58 < Shadow_> I guess there could be another template doing that
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> but I couldn't find a good way of doing that...
22:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I then started looking into having an 'autogenerated' gamestate_serialize.cpp
22:59 <@JonnyH`Work> either from the gamestate.h header directly, or some data definition (that would also generate the headers)
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22:59 <@JonnyH`Work> then I started going down the rabbit hole of writing my own dsl to define the gamestate.. and though it was better if I had a lie down and reevaluate my priorities
23:06 < Shadow_> well so going back to game time
23:06 < Shadow_> maybe let's make switch?
23:07 < Shadow_> "nostalgia mode" and well
23:07 < Shadow_> fixed :)
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> "missing time in a different place" mode
23:07 < Shadow_> but I think that there should be just one switch
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know
23:08 < Shadow_> not 30 like in openxcom
23:08 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe it should be a bool in GameState
23:08 <@JonnyH`Work> and a 'mod'?
23:08 < Shadow_> ye
23:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Or a big lost of 'options' somehwere
23:08 < Shadow_> well
23:08 < Shadow_> options should be in config file
23:08 < Shadow_> so or in separate menu
23:08 < Shadow_> but there should be presets
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect the current method of specifying a default in .cpp isn't going to scale well with large numbers of options..
23:09 < Shadow_> ye
23:09 < Shadow_> btw
23:09 < Shadow_> "please insert openapocalypse cd" is nostalgia feature, or just dosbox crash?
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> that's bug :P
23:10 < Shadow_> doh
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Same with the occasional dos4gw page fault
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think we should try to re-implement those :P
23:10 < Shadow_> doesn't happen for me
23:10 < Shadow_> (page fault)
23:11 < SupSuper> Shadow_: oh you'll have 30 options in no time :P
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC there's a missing file in one of the scenery objects meaning that there's a (small) chance loading a battle will fail with the "please insert cd"
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> and the page fault I've only seena  couple of times (clear bug causing crash)
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> like the old 'press both mouse buttons' on tftd would crash it
23:11 < Shadow_> but if insert cd was nostalgia mode I wouldn't sweat as much when restarting
23:12 < SupSuper> oh i thought i broke the game but turns out it's just the ufos don't let time fast forward :p
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> CanTurbo checks for that?
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Is it not yet restricted to "..In the human city"?
23:13 <@JonnyH`Work> You also need to say 'if you're in the alien city, don't turbo' either
23:13 < Shadow_> SupSuper: yeach, but there should be preset
23:13 <@JonnyH`Work> ...and then we're going to have the same discussion WRT time there too :P
23:13 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: well it doesn't affect the interface yet so it was confusing me :p
23:14 < Shadow_> SupSuper: # of people who care if weapon dmg is tft or eu -> 0, # of people who want to play tft or eu - probably much more
23:14 <@JonnyH`Work> did we implement 'f6 switch to alien dimension'?
23:15 < Shadow_> these are my estimates ofc
23:15 < SupSuper> Shadow_: guess which people are loudest
23:15 <@JonnyH`Work> the sort of person that does stat analysis of their hits to guess the mechanics
23:15 < Shadow_> so you tell em to configure it
23:15 < SupSuper> right
23:15 < SupSuper> that's why i said vanilla by default :p
23:16 < SupSuper> i would love to actually do analytics on what options are actually used
23:16 < SupSuper> but you can totally play openxcom without ever touching the options screen and that's the way i like it
23:16 <@JonnyH`Work> require an internet connection to phone home in openxcom :P
23:16 <@JonnyH`Work> "You must first login to your OpenXcomHome account!"
23:16 < Shadow_> lol
23:17 < Shadow_> I personally gave up
23:17 < Shadow_> when I saw all these well
23:17 < Shadow_> stuff
23:17 < SupSuper> well you don't have to if you just like vanilla like me :)
23:17 < SupSuper> but every youtuber spends an hour going through them and drooling
23:17 < SupSuper> so clearly i did *something* right
23:18 < Shadow_> well
23:18 < Shadow_> I'm not saying that they are not right
23:18 < Shadow_> I just say that it would be nice if there were preset
23:18 <@JonnyH`Work> again, "the sort of person who videos themselves playing old games" is probably already selecting a small number of people who actually play it...
23:19 < Shadow_> generally many people that I know personally (and me) don't have nostalgia for this game
23:19 < SupSuper> yeah but they're the ones that actually spread it around :p
23:19 < Shadow_> because we're playing it first time
23:19 < SupSuper> well i think the difference most people want apoc to be "the game it could've been" rather than "the game it is"
23:19 < SupSuper> so that'll be a tough bar to set
23:20 < Shadow_> well
23:20 < Shadow_> just people from first group make one way of the switch, people from the other will make other
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> but nobody has really a functional design doc of 'the game it could have been'
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> just a pile of brief idea descriptions and half-implemented code
23:20 < Shadow_> because you don't make games by design docs
23:20 < Shadow_> you make games by trying ideas
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> exactly, it might not be fun :P
23:21 < Shadow_> it is
23:21 < Shadow_> ;)
23:21 < Shadow_> well actually this is first game that I am "remaking"
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> "Game Design" is a big topic, and something of an art I don't really want to put in the time to really get good at...
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> hence me remaking an old game - avoiding the whole thing!
23:22 < Shadow_> ye
23:23 < Shadow_> it's really fun to make your things than just remaking IMO
23:23 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, but I _could_ have made my own tile-based turn-based strategy game, not xcom:Apoc :P
23:24 <@JonnyH`Work> in half the time...
23:24 < Shadow_> well
23:24 < Shadow_> I mean
23:24 < Shadow_> you may remake vanillia
23:24 < Shadow_> and then make mod
23:24 < Shadow_> experiment, ye?
23:24 <@JonnyH`Work> it might (read: probably...) have been a lot worse
23:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, my goal is to have a 'faithful' reprouddction for 1.0
23:24 <@JonnyH`Work> but probably not stop there
23:25 < Shadow_> ye exacly
23:31 < SupSuper> Shadow_: i'd rather remake than make :P design is painful
23:32 <@JonnyH`Work> wasn't Warboy doing a game design degree or something?
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23:33 <@JonnyH`Work> brb, off to get cake
23:33 < SupSuper> yes, i'm sure he can attest to how painful it is
23:39 < Shadow_> well I made good game (judging by 5 star user ratings), and wasn't that painful ;)
23:41 < SupSuper> oh making a game is easy, it's dealing with user feedback that isn't :p
23:42 < Shadow_> hah
23:42 < Shadow_> somehow I managed to get over it
23:42 < SupSuper> i had a game design course in uni
23:43 < Shadow_> but generally I organized it like:
23:43 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, this was the first project I had game-wise outside of 'single mechanic' games
23:43 <@JonnyH`Work> This _was_ an AAA title of it's time :P
23:43 < SupSuper> when it came time to playtest it live, everyone really enjoyed it and we had a great time
23:43 < Shadow_> well they secret with user feedback is to have somebody else to do it fo you
23:43 < Shadow_> :)
23:43 < SupSuper> but we realized all our work was useless because nobody actually understood any of our features and only the core of the game was fun :p
23:44 < SupSuper> it was basically a starfox-style shooter. turns out once you have that down, any other detail is worthless
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I did something a bit breakout-clone-like for a course at uni
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I had a similar issue, I had all kinds of modifiers that did weird things with the game physics etc.
23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> but no way to discover them :P
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> and doing something like that in a 'full' 3d environment can make it look fancy, and weird and 'interesting' game play
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> but some players just didn't seem to "get" the 3d environment and found it frustrating
23:51 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, I'm off
23:51 <@JonnyH`Work> have a good evening
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23:51 < Shadow_> good night
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02:49 <@JonnyH> BTW I've had enough of assert() and added a LogAssert
02:49 <@JonnyH> that does the same thing, but 'always' enabled (IE no -DNDEBUG)
02:49 <@JonnyH> and uses the logger, so shows a dialog
02:50 <@JonnyH> then I plan to kill some of the more annoying warnings
02:50 <@JonnyH> then actually do something useful. Maybe.
02:51 < SupSuper> well i spent all night messing with GameTime some more instead of doing something useful. it's a trap i tell you :p
02:51 < SupSuper> but i looked at event.h and that scared me off
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02:55 < Keise> ugh
02:56 < Keise> I hope I can finish with those ufos on sunday
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02:58 < SupSuper> watching the olympics? :p
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17:23 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Nope, not watching olympics
17:23 <@JonnyH> might watch specific events (IE cycling)
17:23 <@JonnyH> but that's about it
17:29 < SupSuper> i did it!
17:29 < SupSuper> i made an enum :p http://hastebin.com/utiyopetil.cpp
17:29 <@JonnyH> Congratulations!
17:29 <@JonnyH> What about manufacturing paused due to lack of funds?
17:30 <@JonnyH> (I don't think manufacturig in apoc needed resources?)
17:30 <@JonnyH> also agents rearmed/not enough stuff to rearm
17:31 < SupSuper> i'm sure there's more, this is just what i could find in the options screens and old saves. probably more than enough for now :p
17:31 <@JonnyH> :)
17:31 < SupSuper> there's also entering/leaving alien dimension etc etc
17:31 < SupSuper> i can see why they didn't put them all in the options screen
17:31 <@JonnyH> it might be some are 'mirrored', like vehicle rearm is the 'same' as agent rearm etc.
17:36 < SupSuper> yeah looking at the game strings there are shitload of messages but who knows which are actually used :p
17:39 < SupSuper> i don't see anything about manufacture stopping though
17:39 <@JonnyH> I'm pretty sure that's a thing...
17:41 < SupSuper> huh apparently it's possible to obliterate a building so hard you lose your base
17:41 < SupSuper> thanks hawk air warrior
17:42 <@JonnyH> it's a modal dialog, like research completed
17:42 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/nomoney.png
17:43 < SupSuper> ah "halted", not "paused"
17:43 <@JonnyH> also some things don't pause but show up in the list
17:43 <@JonnyH> like 'ufo crash landed'
17:43 < SupSuper> yeah that's why there's a lot more events than options
17:43 < SupSuper> luckily saves store the message history so there's a lot of stuff there
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17:48 < SupSuper> http://hastebin.com/opoxigupok.cpp that extensive enough for you :p
17:48 <@JonnyH> probably :p
17:48 <@JonnyH> I just think a relatively comprehensive list is useful as a reference for what we still need to do
17:49 < SupSuper> yeah
17:49 < SupSuper> though this just encompasses stuff the state needs to communicate to the ui, not stuff the ui can infer on its own (errors etc)
17:50 < SupSuper> and we'll never figure out what stuff organizations actually do :p
17:50 <@JonnyH> all that half-implemented stuff there solely to confuse Skin36  :)
17:52 < SupSuper> now i hope i can just make a class GameEvent : Event and not need all the crazy stuff in event.h
17:52 < SupSuper> game events just need a "type" and a "thing" at most
17:52 <@JonnyH> remember the history must be serializable...
17:53 <@JonnyH> some have multiple things
17:53 <@JonnyH> like 'delivery from "organisation" to "base" ' string
17:53 <@JonnyH> plus the location of the base?
17:59 < SupSuper> yeah i don't mean i'm gonna make it all one blob class :p
18:00 < SupSuper> but for example 90% of vehicle events just have a VEHICLE_ID and you can infer what the message is from the type, so you only need a GameVehicleEvent
18:01 < SupSuper> the important thing is this all goes through the event system, which nobody's really sure how it works :p
18:31 < SupSuper> should i just mark game events as EVENT_USER or add a EVENT_GAME_STATE for clarity sake?
18:31 <@JonnyH> maybe replace USER?
18:32 < SupSuper> what does USER do?
18:33 <@JonnyH> nothing but RESEARCH_COMPLETE right now IIRc
18:35 < SupSuper> hm
18:35 < SupSuper> again going hear event.h just scares and frightens me :p
18:36 <@JonnyH> be brave sup
18:36 <@JonnyH> We're all here to help you through this
18:48 <@JonnyH> I might start using in-class initialisation of members
18:48 <@JonnyH> hopefully cleanup some of the constructors and make stuff more 'obvious' if we miss something
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19:41 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d6e9da6 Jonathan Hamilton: Warning fixes...
19:41 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d430c22 Jonathan Hamilton: Keep Event pointers in the event list as up<>...
19:41 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 38c5ddf Jonathan Hamilton: Don't drop WINDOWEVENT_RESIZE events...
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19:48 < SupSuper> ohhhhh, leak fixes
19:48 <@JonnyH> just little things
19:48 <@JonnyH> but annoying, as the leak checker would highlight them
20:00 < SupSuper> too bad leak checkers can only figure out c-pointers
20:01 <@JonnyH> ...what can't they figure out?
20:01 < SupSuper> smart pointers. i mean those don't "leak" so much as they get stuck in limbo
20:02 <@JonnyH> yeah, stuff like sp<> 'loops' don't get picked up by valgrind and the like until app exit
20:07 <@JonnyH> clang-tidy really doesn't like lodepng...
20:16 < SupSuper> what's a name for apoc's vertical scrolling notifications? marquee? news ticker? those are always horizontal...
20:19 <@JonnyH> MessageLog?
20:19 <@JonnyH> I see a ticker as a scrolling hirozontal thingie
20:19 < SupSuper> right, now what's a scrolling vertical thingy :p
20:20 < SupSuper> i mean the display on the cityscape, not the list which is already called MessageLog
20:20 <@JonnyH> showing just the latest, so not expanded to the whole log?
20:20 < SupSuper> yes
20:20 <@JonnyH> No idea :P
20:25 < SupSuper> apparently you can have vertical marquees
20:26 < SupSuper> but i might just call it a Ticker because it's more obvious what its function is, even if the display is non-standard
20:26 < SupSuper> marquees just give me horrible horrible memories: http://www.fillster.com/htmlcodes/marquees.html
20:26 <@JonnyH> <blink>
20:31 < SupSuper> btw we should probably at some point actually account for delta time
20:31 <@JonnyH> delta time?
20:32 < SupSuper> real time between ticks
20:32 < SupSuper> using vsync is all well and good until you run it on a 120hz monitor and watch the fun :p
20:32 <@JonnyH> there's real time between ticks?
20:32 <@JonnyH> TBH having a locked 'update' rate probably makes sense
20:32 < SupSuper> well i think currently we just assume vsync is good enough?
20:33 <@JonnyH> yeah
20:33 <@JonnyH> I don't know if it'll be useful to 'properly' decouple the draw/update loops
20:33 < SupSuper> which is on par with 50% of game developers out there so don't worry :p
20:33 <@JonnyH> we could 'force' 60fps or something by dropping vsyncs if > 60
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21:50 < Shadow>  		fuel += item->type->max_ammo;
21:50 < Shadow> wut
21:50 < Shadow> interesting piece of logic ;)
22:00 <@JonnyH> I think the same value for ammo in weapons is used for fiel in engines
22:00 <@JonnyH> It probably should be named 'capacity' or something
22:09 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/qsd7d/0837d7645d.png i wonder if this is too boilerplatey
22:09 <@JonnyH> looks alright to me
22:10 < SupSuper> it's awfully tempting to kill all readability and just do GameEvent<T, U, V> :p
22:12 < SupSuper> must not fall for the dark side
22:16 < SupSuper> kinda wondering how we're gonna deal with expired staterefs... like if you get a vehicle destroyed message, how can you go to the vehicle location? keep a invisible vehicle around?
22:17 <@JonnyH> a resolved stateref will keep the sp<> open
22:17 <@JonnyH> but it'll be wiped when serialize in/out...
22:17 <@JonnyH> so if you save a game it'll lost any message 'history'
22:18 < SupSuper> that's fine, but if a message is keeping a sp<> to a destroyed vehicle alive you don't want it to still be "visible" in the city
22:18 <@JonnyH> it won't be in the 'vehicle'l ist though
22:18 <@JonnyH> just a detached sp<>
22:18 <@JonnyH> so if you're using that to show what's in the city it'll be ok
22:19 < SupSuper> ah that would work
22:19 <@JonnyH> though we also don't want to re-scan all vehicles every frame and recreate the controls...
22:19 < Shadow> maybe each event should have position?
22:19 <@JonnyH> So we might need to notify the cityview something has changed and to redraw it's list
22:20 <@JonnyH> IIRC 'vehicle' events go to the current poition of the vehicle
22:20 <@JonnyH> not the position the event was created at
22:20 <@JonnyH> but stuff like 'vehicle destroyed' clearly doesn't move :P
22:20 < SupSuper> well you get VehicleDestroyed events so you can take advantage of those
22:21 < Shadow> still
22:21 <@JonnyH> we could keep a list of 'recently destroyed' stuff like that
22:21 < Shadow> you can have vehicle out of ammo that's instantly destoryed
22:21 <@JonnyH> and move it to that so staterefs<> cope (or a flag or something)
22:21 <@JonnyH> and only clean it when there are no more sp<> refs
22:22 <@JonnyH> (or 'end of day' or some other thing that loses event histroy)
22:22 < Shadow> but should there be clear of event history?
22:23 <@JonnyH> things fall off over time
22:23 <@JonnyH> so you could have a 'time destroyed'
22:23 <@JonnyH> and remove it when it would have fallen off the event history
22:23 < Shadow> yeach
22:23 < Shadow> but I think that it should be something like "keep history from last 24 hours"
22:24 < Shadow> rather than clear history on each day
22:24 <@JonnyH> stuff like 'live alien spotted' is definately useful some time after
22:24 <@JonnyH> you don't want one spotted at 23:59 and forget where it was when you actually try to go after it
22:25 < SupSuper> vanilla apoc keeps history for a looooooong time. it likely just has a limit of "messages" rather than "time"
22:26 <@JonnyH> for live alie spotted there's the circle on the map too
22:26 <@JonnyH> that contracts and disappears (over some time I can't remember)
22:27 < SupSuper> it probably disappears when the actual alien activity does (and then it gets added to the organization's infiltration level)
22:27 <@JonnyH> naa, it's time
22:27 <@JonnyH> like it can be gone and there's still aliens there if you investigate it
22:28 < SupSuper> looking at my old save, it has around 70 messages from 12 june to 21 june. and yes the "goto" of the oldest messages still work :p
22:28 <@JonnyH> the circle drawing is probably a different lifetime to the message itself
22:28 < Shadow> we can keep all messages from the start of game, because why not
22:29 < Shadow> and then filter based on some criteria
22:29 < Shadow> i.e. don't save vehicle ooa when older than 24 hours
22:29 < Shadow> so messages like research completed, vehicle losts etc. are there
22:30 <@JonnyH> ..Never delete any vehicles? Just add a 'destroyed' flag? :P
22:30 <@JonnyH> I dread to think how big saves will getf people do 'years' in game though
22:31 < SupSuper> maybe let's see if it's actually a problem before we try to solve it :p
22:31 < Shadow> the witcher save has around 100mb
22:31 <@JonnyH> I *hope* we wont have the same system requirements at the witcher...
22:32 < Shadow> ye, but how many history messages it will take to get 1% of that?
22:33 < SupSuper> i don't know if anyone beats paradox and their "raw text dump of the entire game history"
22:33 < SupSuper> but since they learned to zip them they compress pretty well
22:33 <@JonnyH> Stuff like that compresses well :P
22:33 <@JonnyH> We zip stuff to. So we can clearly make the same design choices right?
22:33 <@JonnyH> A save just becomes a coredump?
22:33 <@JonnyH> Hope you didn't want to load it on a different machine :P
22:34 < Shadow> can you even load coredump?
22:34 < Shadow> on same machine?
22:35 <@JonnyH> there are patches for linux for that
22:35 <@JonnyH> not sure if they're sane :P
22:35 <@JonnyH> or just 'research experiments'
22:35 <@JonnyH> It's used fairly often in migrating VMs too
22:36 < Shadow> but I guess that's only in "simple" cases
22:36 <@JonnyH> yeah, stuff like in-kernel device 'state' would be fun
22:36 < Shadow> skipping stuff like open descriptors, etc
22:38 < Shadow> bah, wanted to do something today
22:38 < Shadow> then realised that I'm away from home, so no iso
22:38 < Shadow> I guess that i'll have to host is somewhere
22:38 < Shadow> good night
22:39 < SupSuper> can't download from stream?
22:39 < SupSuper> *steam
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22:39 <@JonnyH> *cough* http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/apoc_cd_steam.iso
22:39 <@JonnyH> :(
22:39 <@JonnyH> I keep all that in a git repository
22:40 <@JonnyH> along with all the extracted .pngs and stuff for references
22:40 <@JonnyH> as viewing .pck files is a pain
22:41 < SupSuper> your pngs aren't great either :p if only they were automatically palette-matched
22:41 <@JonnyH> naa it just did 'all palettes', which didn't work at the time as it didn't include the .pcx palettes for the ui stuff
22:41 <@JonnyH> but it's enough to recognise the images
22:42 < SupSuper> or give you an eye sore :p
22:42 < SupSuper> btw why is Lab::setResearch(StateRef<Lab> lab, StateRef<ResearchTopic> topic) static?
22:43 < SupSuper> if you're gonna end up passing "lab" anyways...
22:44 <@JonnyH> caus you need a StateREf<Lab>
22:44 <@JonnyH> and adding shared_From_this just to create a new StateRef<> felt bad
22:44 <@JonnyH> AKA no real reason
22:44 < SupSuper> wait why do you need a stateref
22:46 < SupSuper> how can i code in peace with all these mysteries!! :p
22:47 <@JonnyH> 'caus the ResearchTopic itself has a link to the lab?
22:47 <@JonnyH> Hence also needing a special destory function to unlink the circular dependency
22:51 < SupSuper> now i wish i didn't know
22:52 <@JonnyH> labs show the current progress of topics not at 'this' lab too...
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23:31 < SupSuper> i just realized our controls don't have an "enabled" property... how basic
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23:43 <@JonnyH> they have a 'visible' state?
23:44 < SupSuper> yeah but hiding disabled items only works in openxcom :p
23:44 < SupSuper> apoc visually greys stuff out, shockingly
23:45 <@JonnyH> Oh... then I guess we need to add that
23:45 < SupSuper> hmmm does that mean we tint it lighter or darker?
23:58 < SupSuper> hmmm drawTinted doesn't seem to work for controls
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00:06 < SupSuper> it's http://i.imgur.com/D0daEJW.gif all over again
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01:11 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9341145 SupSuper: Add game state events
01:11 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4dbe017 SupSuper: Support linebreaks in Labels
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05:33 < TheSnide> why not *transforming* the destroyed vehicule in a wreck ?
05:33 < TheSnide> so it's not the same type, and maybe not the same list, but the wreck could encapsulaye
05:34 < TheSnide> the original vehicle instance
05:34 < TheSnide> like wreck(ship)
05:34 < TheSnide> as a constructor
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21:10 < Skin36> ufopaedia down (
21:11 < Keise> yeah, for a while now
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, it's annoying when trying to reference stuff..
21:28 < SupSuper> time to crack open dosbox :p
21:40 < Skin36>  :)
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22:15 < SupSuper> i still have some late-game savegames if anyone needs
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14:51 < kkmic> Hey JonnyH
14:52 <@JonnyH> hey there
14:55 < Skin36> hi
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14:59 < kkmic> Oh well, time to go, nice talking to you JonnyH :)
14:59 <@JonnyH> :)
15:00 < kkmic> B-bye!
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21:35 < Shadow_> hey
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> hi there
21:35 < SupSuper> heya
21:36 < Shadow_> still fighting vehicles, but short on time ;(
21:36 < Shadow_> can you help me a bit?
21:36 < Shadow_> my vehicleInventory class has method std::list<sp<VEquipment>>::iterator begin();
21:37 < Shadow_> however I would like to move it to base class
21:37 < Shadow_> generic inventory, where it would be std::list<sp<Equipment>>::iterator
21:37 < Shadow_> is there easy way to do so?
21:37 < Shadow_> (so if I am using vEquipment I am getting iterators to VEquipment, if I am using generic Equipment iterators to generic?
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, you can get an sp<Equipment> iterator
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> operator* will return sp<Equipment>
21:38 < Shadow_> kinda sucks
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> and you can dynamic_pointer_cast<> that to sp<VEquipment>?
21:38 < Shadow_> ye, but I want to make nice api
21:39 < Shadow_> so no savage casts in vehicle.cpp
21:39 < SupSuper> nice api? in c++? :o
21:39 < Shadow_> :D
21:39 < Shadow_> so only solution I see is something like
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> in c++ APIs are either nice to use
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> or nice to write
21:39 < Shadow_> vehicle.Equipment.All()
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> not both -_-
21:39 < SupSuper> or nice to hate :p
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> 'nice' being relative to other c++ code already :P
21:40 < Shadow_> so vehicle.Equipment has Equipment, and vehicle.Equipment.All() is helper class that spawns VEquipment iterators
21:40 < SupSuper> speaking of APIs, it's been a real thorn in my side that control's can only have a specialposition set in xml, not in code
21:40 < SupSuper> so i think i'm gonna fix that
21:40 < Shadow_> what's specialposition?
21:40 < SupSuper> left/centre/right/etc. it aligns a control to its parent
21:41 < Shadow_> wut it doesn't?
21:41 < SupSuper> it's how the screens stay centered and all that
21:41 < Shadow_> hmm I think it works
21:41 < SupSuper> well you can only do it via xml. so it blows for custom controls
21:41 < Shadow_> or maybe works only with labels
21:41 < Shadow_> och
21:41 < Shadow_> "so vehicle.Equipment has Equipment, and vehicle.Equipment.All() is helper class that spawns VEquipment iterators"
21:42 < Shadow_> do you think it's reasonable?
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> you could have a non-class begin()/end()
21:42 < Shadow_> JonnyH: can you provide me with some keyword?
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> begin(sp<VehicleInventory>) returns a VEquipment iterator
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> begin(sp<AgentInveotry>) returns AgentEquipment iterator (or whatever)
21:42 < Shadow_> will it work with foreach loop?
21:43 < Shadow_> I guess so
21:43 < Shadow_> ok thanks for hint, i'll check it ;)
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/range-for
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Explanation bullet 2 is the Type.begin()/Type.end()
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> the third is begin(Type)/end(Type)
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> not a good description though...
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> begin(sp<Inventory>) could return iterator<Equipment> too, but then you'd have to cast
22:04 < Shadow_> one more thing
22:04 < Shadow_> genrally iterors cannot be compared, except std::list one (no == operator)
22:04 < Shadow_> is there base class for such iterator that supports ==?
22:04 < Shadow_> like forward_operator
22:05 < Shadow_> forward_iterator*
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, forward_iterator is just a 'tag', an empty class you can enable_if<> expand on
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> iterators must be able tob e compared, as foreach expands to an operator !=...
22:13 < Shadow_> when I do boost::transform_iterator<something>
22:13 < Shadow_> it says that it has no != operator
22:14 < Shadow_> I guess that I'm doing something terribly wrong then ;/
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> transform_iterator just overrides some stuff on top of another iterator
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> so it should use the operator!= of the superclass iterator?
22:15 < Shadow_> och
22:15 < Shadow_> I guess that's the problem
22:15 < Shadow_> ok thanks, I'll check it
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> operator!=, operator++ and operator* is the minimum to get foreach to work IIRC
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> it doesn't actually have to inherit from std::iterator or have a tag, but it probably should...
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22:57 < SupSuper> hmmm this is annoying
22:57 < SupSuper> i need an enum that has left, centre, right *and* none. but i don't wanna mess with the existing enum. should i just make a new one?
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, you can't 'extend' enums unfortunately...
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> unless we go through and replace all enums with classes with constants or something...
22:59 <@JonnyH`Work> but then they're no longer enums :)
23:14 < SupSuper> now comes the real challenge: naming
23:15 <@JonnyH`Work> True, False, FileNotFound?
23:17 < SupSuper> tempting
23:17 < SupSuper> i mean i have a HorizontalAlignment { Left, Centre, Right }. now what do i call its bretheren { Left, Centre, Right, None } ?
23:18 < SupSuper> BizarroHorizontalAlignment? :p
23:18 <@JonnyH`Work> what is a 'None' alignment?
23:18 <@JonnyH`Work> what is this used for?
23:18 < SupSuper> well i was gonna use this for the special position
23:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, the controls...
23:19 <@JonnyH`Work> what does 'none' mean? Absolute position or something?
23:19 < SupSuper> right. either the control *is* anchored to the parent and uses the special position, or it's not and uses the normal position
23:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I thing 'special' position is a terrible name anyway :P
23:19 < SupSuper> clearly i should do this the c++ way and do HAlign = (HorizontalAlignment)-1 for none :p
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> ~0ul surely :P
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm saying is there a way of combining position & special position
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> as it doesn't really make sense to define both?
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> but something like ControlHorizonalAlignment might be a sufficient name here
23:23 < SupSuper> i don't wanna imagine combining a vector and an enum...
23:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean there's an enum that decides what the anchor is (parent's left, parent's right, parent's center, 'the screen' (or whatever none is)
23:24 <@JonnyH`Work> then an offset from that?
23:24 <@JonnyH`Work> so a 'non-special position' is just none + offset
23:25 < SupSuper> you're not solving my problem :p
23:25 <@JonnyH`Work> probably not. I suspect I don't understand your problem :P
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23:26 < SupSuper> maybe VerticalDock or VerticalAnchor are clearer
23:26 < SupSuper> although it's not really an ui anchor... it's more like magic :p
23:26 <@JonnyH`Work> 'SpookyMagicModeSelector'
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23:34 < SupSuper> because "none" doesn't really make sense. every control is aligned to the top-left by default so uhhhhhh...
23:35 <@JonnyH`Work> init it to valign='top' and halign='left' then?
23:41 < SupSuper> it never ends does it...
23:41 < SupSuper> 0 days since SupSuper rewrote the controls again
23:41 <@JonnyH`Work> *sigh* resets sign
23:45 < SupSuper> time to sleep on it :p g'night
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> nn
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16:10 <@JonnyH> hi pmprog
16:10 <@pmprog> Hi JonnyH, how's things?
16:11 <@JonnyH> good :)
16:11 <@pmprog> Glad to hear
16:11 <@JonnyH> Back from holoday now, was good while it lasted...
16:11 <@pmprog> Get up to anything exciting?
16:11 <@JonnyH> holoday is clearly some crazy future version of holiday... or a typo
16:12 <@JonnyH> Not really, went back to the uk, spent most of the time running around seeing friends
16:12 <@pmprog> Sounds good to me
16:13 <@JonnyH> hows things on your side?
16:14 <@pmprog> Slow and tired, but I'm okay
16:14 <@pmprog> Don't remember the last time I wrote any non-work related code, but hoping to change that tonight
16:17 <@JonnyH> :)
16:18 <@JonnyH> I was hoping to get some stuff for another openapoc progress video soonish
16:18 <@JonnyH> Though this weekend might be working on drm drivers for omap5 ;)
16:23 <@pmprog> :)
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16:28 <@pmprog> How's work going these days?
16:28 <@JonnyH`Work> same old
16:28 <@JonnyH`Work> got back a rejection for the visa this year too -_-
16:32 <@pmprog> Oh no :( Does that mean you'll have to ship back over to the UK?
16:34 <@JonnyH`Work> My current visa doesn't run out till next year
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's making me feel extremely insecure
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Annoyingly, another guy that came over got his on the first try...
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16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> and if I go back he'll probably lose his job
16:35 <@pmprog> Hmmm, sounds a bit iffy
16:35 <@pmprog> Hope you get it ironed out
16:36 <@pmprog> switching pcs
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16:37 < pmprog_laptop> On laptop now :)
16:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Meh, nothing I can do about it
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> which is the most annoying thing TBH, there's literally nothing I can do...
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I feel being in this limbo is worse than 'knowing' I have to back to the UK (or something)
16:43 < pmprog_laptop> yeah, uncertainty is always the worst
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17:24 < pmprog_laptop> well, I've accomplished nothing yet :-(
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> have you got it building at least? :P
17:28 < pmprog_laptop> Nope, not done absolutely anything apart from finish my tea :(
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> You can cross off 'drink tea' from the todo list then
17:29 < pmprog_laptop> I don't drink tea ;-)
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17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> bah, can't seem to get a video of the olympics cycling TT yet  :(
18:00 < Shadow_> hey Jonny
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18:00 < Shadow_> got a second?
18:02 < Shadow_> Looks like I'm trying to climb mountain that's too high for me
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> sure
18:08 < Shadow_> basically I nailed it except converting from std::list<sp<VEquipment>>::iterator to std::list<sp<Equipment>>::iterator
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think you can convert the iterators easily
18:08 < Shadow_> because I want to expose list (so client classes may iterate over it as with foreach(
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> You can convert the iterator returned operator* though...
18:08 < Shadow_> ye that's why I'm here :D
18:09 < Shadow_> doesn't help, as I am trying to hide internals
18:09 < Shadow_> at the moment I have two lists of equipment (base and derived)
18:09 < Shadow_> but I think that it's stupid
18:10 < Shadow_> here's my current api: http://pastebin.com/JzJa6Fqu
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> so you've got 2 references to each equipment, one to sp<Equipment> one to sp<DerivedEquipment>?
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, that sounds not ideal :)
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't really knopw the best way of dealing with this
18:12 < Shadow_> :(
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> without prototyping different solution and seeing which is best
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> (or least worst :)
18:12 < Shadow_> where could I take a look?
18:12 < Shadow_> I made like 3 solution on the way
18:12 < Shadow_> solutions
18:13 < Shadow_> even with attempt for polymorphic iterator that really is pointer to another iterator
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Can't you just make the VehicieInventory begin() return an iterator<VEquipment>?
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> and do the conversion from sp<Equipment> to sp<VehicleEquipment> in it's operator*?
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> IE a VehicleInventoryIterator is a different class to an AgentInventoryIterator?
18:14 < Shadow_> ye but how to define interface then?
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't really know, any suggests may be completely wrong :)
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> you have a class class 'VehicleInverntoryIterator' that inherits from std::iterator w/the forward iterator tag
18:15 < Shadow_> ok
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> that stores the std::list<sp<Equipment>>::iterator locally
18:15 < Shadow_> och
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> implements operator++ as the local list itereator++
18:15 < Shadow_> I see
18:15 < Shadow_> ye, that would make sense
18:16 < Shadow_> keep list of base equipment
18:16 < Shadow_> and make typed operators in vehicleinventory
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> and operator* as 'return dyanmic_pointer_cast<VehicleEqupment>(*local_iterator)' or something
18:16 < Shadow_> thanks :D
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> you could even make operator++ 'skip' any non-vhicle equipment
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> if you expect inventories to contain different equipment 'types'
18:16 < Shadow_> och I think that boost::transform_iterator will take care of it
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> (not sure if that will ever happen though)
18:17 < Shadow_> ye I have such classes
18:17 < Shadow_> using snippet you provided some time ago
18:17 < Shadow_> I think it's nice to use (for(auto stuff: equipment.Weapons())
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC my snippets did the 'bare minimum' foreach requies (operator*(), begin(), end(), operator++())
18:17 < Shadow_> ye, I extended it a bit
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
18:18 < Shadow_> but no I think that it was unnecessary
18:18 < Shadow_> now
18:18 < Shadow_> because I could've just used boost::transform iterator
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably
18:18 < Shadow_> with boost::filter_iterator
18:18 < Shadow_> not sure if I should spend another few hours rewriting code that works though
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> You could inherit filter_iterator and do any 'modifications' (like casts on the return from operator*)
18:19 < Shadow_> can operators be virtual?
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
18:19 < Shadow_> O_o
18:19 < Shadow_> ok thanks ;)
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> they're just functions with 'weird' names
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> but if the parent class doesn't declare it virtual
18:20 < Shadow_> ye
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> you can't make it virtual in a subclass
18:20 < Shadow_> operators in c++ are insane
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> (well you can, but it will only take effect on _it's_ subclasses)
18:20 < Shadow_> I wouldn't ever imagine joining path segments with / operator ;D
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> but you're probably using the concrete class name for iterators
18:20 < Shadow_> (like boost::path does)
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> not a superclass name
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> so no need for virtual functions at all
18:21 < Shadow_> ye, I htink that I'll nail inheritance
18:21 < Shadow_> probably I attempted to use non-list iterator
18:21 < Shadow_> for instance forward_iterator
18:21 < Shadow_> and that's why my previous attemts failed
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> you might be able to template the iterator type...
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus so long as the 'parent' iterator is a forward iterator it doesn't matter if it's a list, vector, or any container really..
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18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> but that's probably more complexity for no benefit ;)
18:24 < Shadow_> yes, but you cannot compare non-list iterators
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> you can't compare iterators of different types
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18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> but you should be able to compare any iterator for the same underlying container
18:30 < Shadow_> och
18:30 < Shadow_> so I couldn't compare em because list<Equipment> and list<Vequipment>
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> as the operator!= will expect an argument the same type
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> so iterator<Equipment> not iterator<VEquipment>
18:31 < SupSuper> i feel JonnyH`Work has been a bad influence on you :p
18:31 < Shadow_> ye, I see it now
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> and there's no implicit conversions between iterators with different types
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> if you keep the parent iterator always as the generic <Equipment> and only cast at operator* return
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> they should all be comparible
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> (so long as they came from the same collection, compaing iterators from 2 different container instances doesn't really make sense)
18:32 < SupSuper> i haven't seen one day where you two aren't busy reinventing c++ a new one
18:32 < Shadow_> man
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> It's interesting SupSuper!
18:33 < Shadow_> but then I can go and say
18:33 < Shadow_> hey look I programmed that
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I've not really dug into the workings of iterators much beyond the bare minimum of 'getting it working'
18:33 < Shadow_> without saying "but don't mind these casts"
18:33 < Shadow_> :D
18:33 < Shadow_> well you get what I mean
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> You could define constructors that go from EquipmentIterator to VehicleEquipmentIterator and the like
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> and implicit conversions should then work
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> but again, if you only need foreach you don't need that
18:34 < Shadow_> EquipmentIterator doesn't have constructor
18:34 < Shadow_> it's abstract class
18:34 < SupSuper> Shadow_: you fool, c++ is all about casts! :p
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> it could is what I'm saying :)
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Type *pointer = reinterpret_cast<Type*>(0x80d3c00);
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> I once saw something like that
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> *shudder*
18:36 < SupSuper> should've been 0xdeadbeef
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> no, it was actually a region they mmap()'d with a hint
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> but if it didn't succeed in using exactly the same address god knows what would have happened
18:40 < SupSuper> probably the return of satan or we would've gone back to c++99, whichever is worse
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> c++98?
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> c++99 is probably some bizzarre twilight-zone parallel-universe version of c++
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> that actually makes sense
18:42 < SupSuper> i thought that was c++03. nobody seems to figure out how it actually exists
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> c++03 was just a library update to c++98 right?
18:45 < SupSuper> right, but it was so trivial it's a wonder it needed a milestone
18:48 < SupSuper> i think most compilers basically treat them the same
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19:54 < SupSuper> what happpened to GetActiveControl?
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> ...what does that do?
19:56 < SupSuper> no idea, resharper is noting that it's in the header but has no definition :p
19:56 < SupSuper> i assume it got lost during the great event wars
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> 5c6fbbebfbce4c3d2f4d5f0dd9c444bda450e836
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess I removed it as it didn't really do anything useful if there are multiple forms
20:02 < SupSuper> http://hastebin.com/kiyiligofo.cpp now i wish i had weak enums :p
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH if you swich() on an enum type it should pull in the enum 'namespace' :P
20:11 < SupSuper> could be worse, i love putting my enums in classes to restrict their scope :P
20:11 < SupSuper> at least then i don't need as much naming, i could just do Control::Align::Left
20:12 < SupSuper> pain to use in declarations though
20:14 < SupSuper> i probably picked this up from c# where that's the norm and you don't need crazy includes and namespaces everywhere
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20:34 < SupSuper> *refactors control code* *entire solution rebuilds* hurray c++
20:38 < SupSuper> also i need to add an option to be able to turbo anytime :p
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> a debug option?
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> What we need is a way of shooting those damn UFOs out the air!
20:40 < SupSuper> yeah
20:40 < SupSuper> that too!
20:41 < SupSuper> or just a skip time option, all my features are based on waiting around doing nothing :p
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Look at them, lording it over us, just because of their 'infinitely small hitboxes'...
20:42 < SupSuper> hmmm why do the dimension gates disappear? i thought they were always in the same place
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> adding a checkbox to 'always return true in canTurbo()' won't be a terrible idea
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure, do they relocate every N hours or something?
20:43 < SupSuper> maybe for testing?
20:43 < SupSuper> i know they *originally* planned to have random dimension gates but i think that got cut
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> City::dailyLoop() calls City::generatePortals
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> which should clear and re-randomize
20:43 < SupSuper> so testing i guess
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, 'caus it not 'day aligned' in the original
20:44 < SupSuper> also their animations freeze on turbo mode which i'm not sure if it's intentional or a quirk :p
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> ..It might be the skip ticks is a multiple of the animation ticks...
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23:05 < SupSuper> we really gotta get rid of some of these master includes...
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> 'master includes'?
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> you mean like framework/includes?
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23:10 < SupSuper> and forms.h and etc
23:10 < SupSuper> i guess it won't be so bad once the engine stuff stabilizes
23:14 < SupSuper> in the meantime: http://puu.sh/qwSlt/fcac754c3f.gif
23:16 <@JonnyH`Work> 'stabilizes'? What's that?
23:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and that is some sweet ticker action
23:21 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/qwSLl/dca4aedf14.txt now to find out where this ui comes from. or just put it in a png myself :p
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> did you mean to push a local path in text?
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I'd assume not...
23:22 < SupSuper> whoops: http://puu.sh/qwSPK/df9820f65b.png
23:22 < SupSuper> damn shortcuts
23:23 < SupSuper> that ui doesn't seem to be in UFODATA or TACDATA for some strange reason. hope it's not hardcoded...
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23:26 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SupSuper pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v68Hc
23:26 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3e0e00f SupSuper: Refactored control alignment code
23:26 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 134315c SupSuper: Added a news ticker
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23:33 < SupSuper> well i made a text thingy scroll, there's no way i can top that
23:34 <@JonnyH`Work> retire while you're ahead
23:34 < SupSuper> you're right. g'night
23:35 <@JonnyH`Work> desbord.dat or isoborda.dat look suspicious...
23:35 <@JonnyH`Work> night :)
23:35 < SupSuper> oh no, not the dats
23:35 <@JonnyH`Work> like the isobord* stuff
23:36 < SupSuper> did you have that extracted somewhere? i need to save a copy of that
23:39 <@JonnyH`Work> desbord is the 'editor' screen...
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23:44 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/ufodata/desbord.png
23:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's not that
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> (and isoborda is the organisations tab, just for some reason it has a different name to the others)
23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I might scan the .exe for the paletted data later
23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> but other than that... *shrug*
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Though it seems suspicious the tick/cross has both setting in the icon pck
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> as other 'toggle' buttons only have one, with the default state 'baked in' to the background
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> so it might be generated/embedded in the .exe :(
23:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, I'm off myself
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16:05 < Skin36> hi
16:10 <@JonnyH> hey
16:12 < Skin36> how there Apoc things?
16:13 <@JonnyH> Going alright
16:14 <@JonnyH> Some good progress with UFOs floating around, sup doing some UI stuff
16:14 <@JonnyH> I hope to do another 'progress video' soonish
16:14 < Skin36>  cool
16:18 < Pawlac> o very noice
16:30 < Kaljakoppa> Yes please :)
16:30 < Kaljakoppa> I had problems with Visual Studio & GIT, so I've been living in the shadows
16:39 <@JonnyH> Kaljakoppa: what problems?
16:39 <@JonnyH> I
16:39 <@JonnyH> .. tried my best to make it 'one click build'...
16:39 <@JonnyH> but if there's something I can fix please let me know :)
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16:40 < Kaljakoppa> It is just my expertise, the lack of it
16:40 < Kaljakoppa> I can't resolve some conflicts (I've done nothing...)
16:40 <@JonnyH`Work> you shouldn't have any conflicts?
16:40 < Kaljakoppa> I haven't used VS in 10 years
16:40 <@JonnyH`Work> just get a fresh clone from github
16:40 < Kaljakoppa> Yes, that is what I tried telling the IDE
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> open openapoc.sln in msvc2015 (must be 2015, 2013 won't work)
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> press build
16:41 < Kaljakoppa> I already installed the new VS version
16:41 < Kaljakoppa> And was going to do that
16:41 < Kaljakoppa> But lazyness kicked in
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> make sure your submodules are up to date too (if you use the github GUI program that does that automatically - otherwise 'git submodule init; git submoudle update' from the cmdline)
16:42 < Kaljakoppa> Oh yeah, I should use the github GUI thing, didn't think about it
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16:43 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, if you used the cmdline you need the submodule commands
16:43 < Kaljakoppa> I tried to use the VS build in one
16:43 <@JonnyH`Work> oherwise they'll be missing files
16:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know how msvc's git integration works
16:43 < Kaljakoppa> Poorly
16:43 <@JonnyH`Work> but considering it completely broke everything last time I tried it I wouldn't trust it...
16:44 < Kaljakoppa> I had 2 months of holiday, 1 week I commited to OpenKeeper
16:44 < Kaljakoppa> But work just started when I got curious about your progress
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll be interested, as if it's difficult for you to get setup
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> it'll probably be difficult for others too
16:46 <@JonnyH`Work> And I want as little stopping people helping us as possible :P
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> :( it won't work right now
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> as the github link I use for miniz has disappearewd
16:57 < Kaljakoppa> I don't think the setting up was difficult, I didn't have much difficulties last time
16:57 < Kaljakoppa> Good documentation
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> well, it'll fail right now
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> give me ~30 seconds...
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17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> right, fixed
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17:01 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 00b0d29 Jonathan Hamilton: Move miniz submodule url to JonnyH's github...
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18:43 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: any idea why travis broke?
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> the miniz submodule link broke?
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Is it fixed now?
18:44 < SupSuper> guess so
18:45 < SupSuper> how does a git just disappear like that?
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> the guy deleted the repository? Or made private?
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I pushed acopy to my own github
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I pinkie promise not to delete it
18:47 < SupSuper> so that's how open-source proliferates
18:47 < SupSuper> what's miniz?
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> zlib and .zip support
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> used to package saves
18:52 < SupSuper> ah right
18:52 < SupSuper> libraries so bad you'd rather use another library for the library?
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> zlib 'just' does deflate
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't want to write my own .zip format reader/writer
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> physfs only does read
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's a bit simpler...
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> (And that seems to have it's own version of miniz #includes :)
18:57 < SupSuper> pffff what programmer has never written his own zip reader/writer :p
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Doesn't support zip64? No ZPAQ compression mode
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I can do better!
18:58  * JonnyH`Work starts rewriting something else
19:06 < SupSuper> is there an easy way to extract DAT files?
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> depends what's in them
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> if it's just the 'raw' paletted data (like the isobord* stuff) I just use my font2png program from xcapoc-resources
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> It works :P
19:12 < SupSuper> gross, i have to compile something myself :p
19:16 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/qxR4M/c59ae9234b.png foiled again!
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> if there's not a libpng & dependencies in nuget you'll probably be stuffed :P
19:18 < SupSuper> am i gonna have to get bash just for this :p
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> not even looked at windows/msvc for that repo...
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I could probably add a little util that links against the openapoc framework and takes a 'load_image()' string
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> and spits out a png
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> then we 'know' it'll be the same as openapoc will see
19:22 < SupSuper> if only cmake could pull dependencies as well...
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> there are cmake modules that do that..
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> but they seem sooooo complex and overdesigned
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> (and that's _me_ saying that)
19:23 < SupSuper> well now i have to guess which package name matches this lib
19:23 < SupSuper> ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh linux
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> 'apt-cache search png+'
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> says png++-dev?
19:26 < SupSuper> seems to just link to libpng...
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> png++ is just 'header only' wrappers around libpng
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> so that should pull in any libpng dependencies itself
19:27 < SupSuper> apparently it's *lib*png++-dev
19:27 < SupSuper> linux rules: when in doubt add a "lib", if that fails add a "-dev" as well
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> ...but it's not a lib...
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> *ubuntu* rules: when....
19:28 < SupSuper> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/png++
19:29 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/qxRWB/f92e89f4db.png *sighs*
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> tinyxml version 0.0.0
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't remember testing with that :P
19:30 < SupSuper> apt-get says it's there...
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> it's using a _git prereleases_ of tinyxml2 from _2012_
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Dear ubuntu devs: Please kindly fuck off. Sincerely, Devs
19:31 < SupSuper> me right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w6L93kD3xw
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> you could probably just remove city_tile.cpp from the lib
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> and anything outside the image stuff :P
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> but honestly... why should you need to?
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> If you actually had a released version of tinyxml2 there's probably be no issue :P
19:33 < SupSuper> i bet they're still using the sdl_gfx version from last century too :P
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm all for 'stability'
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> but to 'stabilise' on a prerelease is insane to you too right?
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Not just me?
19:39 < SupSuper> you're talking to the guy whose fanbase lives off nightlies :p
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> GOTTA GET DEM FEATURES
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> and since when did you have a fanbase -_-
19:41 < SupSuper> frothbase?
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> 'local insane asylum day out'
20:03 < SupSuper> you were right, it easier to just write an imagepreview form :p
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> if the 'reload' in the 'debug ui preview' works you don't even need to restart
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20:27 < SupSuper> hmmm can't seem to view the image
20:35 < SupSuper> nevermind, i was the bug all along
20:40 < SupSuper> oh hey you were right: http://puu.sh/qxWRP/b47b9be099.png
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> for some reason that's '8'
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> when 'a' is the normal tab?
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> whatever...
20:42 < SupSuper> maybe the organizations tab was a late addition
20:42 < SupSuper> since most of their functionality was cut :p
21:54 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: if i create a UString from a char*, i no longer need the char* right?
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it copies it
21:55 < SupSuper> in my quest for that sprite i ended up adding an image previewer and clipboard paste support :p
22:04 <@JonnyH`Work> http://i.imgur.com/D0daEJW.gif
22:14 < SupSuper> we really need a better caret :p
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> going to redraw the fonts now?
22:17 < SupSuper> tempting but no. i'll wait until we have actual font metrics
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22:21 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e92c7b2 SupSuper: Add debug image previewer
22:21 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master b0d297a SupSuper: Add clipboard paste support
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22:23 < SupSuper> now i can actually do something usef-ohhhhhhh facets
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> you had better not be looking at <locale>
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> that way leads to madness...
22:30 < SupSuper> but moooooooom, boost doesn't do datetime formatting the way i waaaaaaaant
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18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> hi SupSuper 
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I added a little tool to dump images to .png files last night
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> might be useful
18:54 < SupSuper> a bit late :p
18:54 < SupSuper> but thanks
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Disappointed at how many empty seats there are in the velodrome at rio
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I couldn't get tickets for anything there in London...
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21:17 < Keise> hi
21:17 < SupSuper> hey
21:19 < Keise> I wonder if I overthinking a solution to simple issue
21:20 < Keise> wanna add a list with lambdas that will be executed with certain delay and removed after
21:21 < SupSuper> a process queue?
21:22 < Keise> each function will launch ufo into the city with said delay at selected portal and push vehicle missions into queue
21:23 < Keise> too much?
21:23 < SupSuper> sounds fine to me, better than carrying around timer variables
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> is that a wall-timer?
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Or 'on event' trigger?
21:25 < Keise> wall-timer?
21:25 < Keise> yea, it's basically event queue with delay in ticks
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, you could add a priority queue of events
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> and have a recurring task every update() that runs everything that matches the current tick no.
21:27 < Keise> okay sounds good
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume you want it synchronously run with the update loop
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> as if it's modifying state you don't want to think about locking
21:29 < Keise> yea, just a check in state loop
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18:02 < SupSuper> JonnyH: did you ever add the stage queue thing?
18:02 <@JonnyH> nope
18:02 <@JonnyH> I went 'huh, that sounds like a good idea'
18:02 <@JonnyH> then promptly forgot about it
18:03 < SupSuper> alright
18:03 < SupSuper> also i just noticed the "dimension gate animation freezes on turbo speed" happens in the original as well
18:04 < SupSuper> not sure if it's a timing thing or they just turn off animations
18:04 < SupSuper> animations are kinda quirky in general
18:08 <@JonnyH> man do I love the image of the keirin
18:08 <@JonnyH> Bored looking bloke on moped being chased by cyclists
18:08 < SupSuper> :p
18:08 < Skin36>  :)
18:09 < SupSuper> you can tell america hasn't changed you because you actually care about the olympics :p
18:09 <@JonnyH> I am being quietly smug as I feel the london ones were clearly better than rio :)
18:11 <@JonnyH> though it is a little annoying how much the (bbc feed) commentators seem so focussed on british competitors even if they're clearly not going to get close
18:13 < SupSuper> i remember the us being really excited about not coming last in the opening ceremony for once :p
18:13 <@JonnyH> we seem to punch above our weight
18:13 <@JonnyH> by aiming for sports nobody else cares about
18:13 <@JonnyH> It's a good strategy
18:14 <@JonnyH> hehe, the stream I'm watching is mostly Americans
18:15 <@JonnyH> and the chat went wild when the USA women's team persuit got the world record
18:15 <@JonnyH> then quiet when GB beat that in the next round :)
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22:11 < SupSuper> is there any downside to having a UString -> std::string operator?
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00:28 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7236c34 SupSuper: More accuracy, more!
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16:23 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6b62e23 Jonathan Hamilton: Some small warning & format fixes
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16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> MSVC2015 update 3 release notes:
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Improved performance of debug builds significantly by reducing the number of bookkeeping function calls in our iterator debugging machinery.
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> :D
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Have you noticed any real difference?
16:59 < SupSuper> haven't tried it
16:59 < SupSuper> and i wonder how you always catch formatting i don't :p
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> probably 'caus the integration into cmake is rather excessive?
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> It formats _everything_
16:59 < SupSuper> how does it not format 3rd party libs then? :p
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I explicitly then remove all files from the format list that are under ${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}/dependencies/
17:02 < SupSuper> i wonder if we could move lodepng there
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably should....
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> clang-tidy doesn't like lodepng either
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I spent a bit of time last night trying to create a 'minimum' iso to get the DataExtractor working
17:08 <@JonnyH`Work> then I hope to add stuff like that to the 'test' run
17:10 < SupSuper> we have tests?
17:10 <@JonnyH`Work> (mainly as I don't want to put the 'real' .iso somewhere that travis can get it, as then other people can get it too, and legally I don't want to be 'distributing warez')
17:10 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, tests/*.cpp
17:10 <@JonnyH`Work> not wired up in msvc though
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> as the only way I can think of doing it is adding a new 'project' for each one
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> (or wrap their main() function in some ms-proprietrary test library)
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> and that looks messy
17:11 < SupSuper> well if it's just for automation, probably not worth setting it up with every test compiler framework out there
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I just use the cmake 'ctest' function
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> that just expectes a program (with main funciton)
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> that returns EXIT_FAILURE or EXIT_SUCCESS
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Huh
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> in fullscreen mode on my windwos 10 laptop
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> the area where the taskbar goes at the bottom appears to interact with the (non-visible) taskbar instead of the game
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> so I can't actually click on the buttons at the bottom of the city...
17:23 < SupSuper> are you actually in fullscreen or a conveniently sized window?
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> fullscreen mode
17:23 < SupSuper> i'll admit i've never tried fullscreen :v
17:24 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, but the fullscreen setting is 'false'...
17:24 <@JonnyH`Work> something weird is going on...
17:24 < SupSuper> the game res is too big for your laptop?
17:24 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, exactly right (1600x900)
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> which is where that 'odd' default came from :)
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> unless win10 now has some magic handling of 'window_size == desktop_size'
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> it didn't do this when I last tested it on this (a month ago or so?)
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm.. I guess it must be
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> as changing the res slightly 'fixes' it?
17:27 < SupSuper> well windows has always automatically handled desktop-size windows: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20050505-04/?p=35703
17:27 < SupSuper> i don't know what sdl does behind the scenes though
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, I guess it's that magic detection going wrong?
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> As in it visually hides the taskbar, but even events still go there
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> but yeah, it's not 'fullscreen' mode
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> but trying to alt-tab minimises it like it was?
17:31 < SupSuper> *shrug* i just tried it here, if i set the game to windowed desktop resolution, the taskbar is always on top
17:32 < SupSuper> but if i set it to fullscreen, the taskbar goes away fine
17:32 < SupSuper> maybe you have some weird taskbar app poking out
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> For all I know it's a graphics driver bug, where the taskbar 'should' be drawn on top :P
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, vanilla windows 10, nothing special about this
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a laptop that only ever runs outlook for work :)
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> (plus msvc when I want to test something on windows)
17:33 < SupSuper> well "vanilla" laptops are full of manufacturer trickery
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> nope, 'vanilla' as in installed fresh from a windows 10 corp iso
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> ..then updated to win10, then updated a few versions within that
17:34 < SupSuper> you should definitely see the taskbar if you're not fullscreening
17:34 < SupSuper> oh and debug mode is still unusable, sorry :p
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I saw that
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Might be faster, but not faster enough for me to think 'wow, this is faster!'
17:35 < SupSuper> yeah. i mean the minute-long loading is an immediate turnoff
17:35 < SupSuper> it might be fine once we don't have 1000 vehicles going around and spamming the console?
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> afaict the console is only spammed during launch/land
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> once everything's in the air it's still hella slow
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21:27 < SupSuper> i created a new header and it refuses to find boost. wut
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Does that project have boost in it's nuget
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> As that's per-project, not per-solution?
21:28 < SupSuper> yes. boost is already used throughout the same project
21:28 < SupSuper> i'm sure it's just vs having a laff
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably having a giggle m8
21:29 < SupSuper> having a regular kerfuffle at my expense
21:29 < SupSuper> despite the amount of time i spend with british people i don't think i'll ever be able to cuss as well as they do :v
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> The advantage of a diverse language over many years
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Towns ~20 miles apart have their own lingo for such things
21:33 < SupSuper> and yup, vs cleared itself up
21:33 < SupSuper> trick question: should i name a file that extends boost .h or .hpp? i feel .hpp better warns against such trickery
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Really, I tend to use .hpp for c++
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> but so far everything in openapoc uses .h?
21:39 < SupSuper> fair enough
21:42 < SupSuper> p.s. never look at a boost header, you'll never be human again
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22:01 < SupSuper> welp, i did it, i successfully extended a boost date_facet. can't wait to see if this compiles in other platforms
22:02 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Just assume the answer is 'no' :P
22:06 < SupSuper> also all this time a header went without #pragma once and somehow it didn't break anything. amazing
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> which header?
22:07 < SupSuper> gametime.h
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, I'll push an extra serialization test and add the DataExtractor to travis
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22:08 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 88e1623 Jonathan Hamilton: Add a serialize out/in roundtrip test...
22:08 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3470be5 Jonathan Hamilton: Don't show dialog on LogError with no framework window...
22:08 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f6a935a Jonathan Hamilton: Start xvfb in travis to run tests on
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22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> TODO: Remove non-deterministic rng stuff from DataExtractor
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> as currently it's 'different' on pretty much every build
22:09 < SupSuper> :p
22:09 < SupSuper> wait an extractor has rng?
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, the city initial_tiles used for the 'outside the game area' grass
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> which feels wrong to me :P
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Or I should import my 'known algorithm' rng
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> (and add state to the serialized GameState at the same time)
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22:13 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 5f07fde SupSuper: Correct day formatting in date_facet....
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22:13 < SupSuper> apparently intellisense doesn't believe that typedefs can be inherited
22:13 < SupSuper> compiles fine though, let's see what travis thinks
22:15 < SupSuper> but yeah look at this mess: https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/blob/5f07fdea8ee588e16e9bf550b25c1b428c9348af/game/state/gametime_facet.h
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> EDG vs VS?
22:15 < SupSuper> all this just to add my own format flag
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> oh...
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/game/state/gametime_facet.h:23:33: error: ‘char_type’ does not name a type
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work>   explicit apoc_date_facet(const char_type *format_str, const input_collection_type &short_names,
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> you and your msvc-only BS
22:16 < SupSuper> ok so i *do* have to manually copy them over. oh well
22:16 < SupSuper> i was hoping the .h didn't have to look so horrible :p
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22:18 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master bf4cef1 SupSuper: Keep the typedefs
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22:18 < SupSuper> i guess i've pretty much surrendered at making it pretty at this point and will just forever banish it to a nether realm
22:27 < SupSuper> looks like your test failed? trying to open travis in my browser just crashes it :v
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I had issues with travis taking _ages_ to load the logs this morning...
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> it fails only on clang?
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> ..and took ~50 minues?
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> that can't be right...
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work>  10 files changed, 36075 insertions(+), 36075 deletions(-)
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, that's a lot of diff context for travis to show :P
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22:55 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c628f36 Jonathan Hamilton: Make travis log output shorter...
22:55 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a061f3c Jonathan Hamilton: Don't run tidy/DataExtractor on build failure
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22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> damn, those are some _ugly_ typedefs
22:56 < SupSuper> welcome to boost :p
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00:10 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3004db3 Jonathan Hamilton: Pull lodepng out into a library
00:10 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a3e961d Jonathan Hamilton: Add lodepng library to msvc build
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12:21 < Skin36> istrebitel heh
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17:53 < Skin36> hi
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> hey there
17:53 < Skin36> how things?
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Alright
17:54 < Skin36> cool
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Thinking about what to work on next...
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe something 'shiny' so I can then do a video
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> how are you?
17:56 < Skin36> just found out, it is considered a total capacity of all installed devices
17:57 < Skin36> 10+10=15
17:57 < Skin36> 10+20=25
17:57 < Skin36> 10+20+10=28
17:58 < Skin36> and so on
17:59 < Skin36> you know this formula?
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> hmmm... maybe sort-by-size
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> then 1/1 * the first
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> + 1/2 * the second
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> + 1/3 * the third
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> not really enough examples to verify :)
18:02 < Skin36> its so mad
18:03 < Skin36> create an array of 100 values
18:03 < Skin36> http://pastebin.com/MaJV5eeD
18:04 < Skin36> if u have Python u may try it
18:05 < Skin36> its correct formula from code
18:15 < Skin36> and yet, the accuracy depends on the speed
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18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW that looks correct for that code snippet
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> what that appears to be effectively doing is sort-by-size
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> then summing accuracy += (argument[n] * 1/n)
18:32 < Skin36> http://pastebin.com/wFjWkW27
18:32 < Skin36> original
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21:00 < Istrebitel> Hey everyone! Tried to build and run OA, win7, vs2015, it runs all right, but for some reasons all buttons are blank (in cmd window it says it can't find a glyph in the font) and clicking any difficulty causes loading screeen to display indefinetly (while supposedly nothing happens)
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: Is this a debug build?
21:01 < Istrebitel> tried both
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> MSVC is _really_ slow in debug mode, and takes ~1 minute to loca
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> ..load
21:01 < Istrebitel> ah
21:01 < Istrebitel> i see
21:02 < Istrebitel> okay i'll let it load then
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> release should be a few seconds...
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> The font stuff might be due to your locale
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I've only tested fr_FR and en_GB myself...
21:02 < Istrebitel> should any difficulty load?
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> all difficulties should work
21:02 < Istrebitel> how do I set locale for the game?
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> currently the only difference is the city
21:02 < Istrebitel> yeah, it was debug
21:02 < Istrebitel> loaded now
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not really 'playably' yet :P
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> where you ran openapoc from
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> there should be an openapoc_log.txt file
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21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> there should be a line like "Setting up locale "en_GB.utf8"" near the top
21:04 < Istrebitel> yeah
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW debug mode is just as slow in-game
21:04 < Istrebitel> so how do i make it set it to en_BG
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> which is really annoying :P
21:05 < Istrebitel> oops
21:05 < Istrebitel> en_GB
21:05 < Istrebitel> it sets to ru, which is my locale
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> in %USER%/appdata/roaming/openapoc/openapoc
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> there should be settings.cfg
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> that's a simple key=value config file
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> open it in a text editor and there should be a line like 'Language=ru_RU.UTF-8'
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> change that to en_GB.UTF-8 (or en_US.UTF-8 if you want american english) :P
21:06 < Istrebitel> thanks, fixed
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> a UI to do config is still on the 'todo' list :P
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> the problem with the russian
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> is we have a translation
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> but the fonts don't have many of the characters it uses
21:08 < Istrebitel> so, I'
21:08 < Istrebitel> I'm new to the project
21:08 < Istrebitel> I'
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Welcome :D
21:08 < Istrebitel> god dammit
21:08 < Istrebitel> keyboard bugs out
21:08 < Istrebitel> anyway
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> (Don't worry, I keep doing that, ' and return right next to each other)
21:09 < Istrebitel> So I'd like to help. What part of the game could I help with?
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Good question :)
21:09 < Istrebitel> Like, what isn't anyone working on right now?
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> We have a big 'TODO.md' in the root
21:09 < Istrebitel> yeah I saw that, but I guess some of those are being worked on by other members?
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> but we don't have an official 'task assignment' thing
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> We recently got a bit more help,so it's probably worth starting something like that soonish...
21:10 < SupSuper> we're still missing all the "gamey" stuff so there's plenty of openings :p
21:11 < Istrebitel> I'm going to spend some time figuring out how everything is coded (game screens etc) and then I think it's best to start with something small
21:11 < Istrebitel> like, maybe, production, if that's not done yet?
21:11 < SupSuper> yeah we have research but not manufacture
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, 'manufacture' and research share some code
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> 'Research' requirements alreay have some code
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> but other stuff (like actual creation of items, the 'repeat' mode, money costs of manufacturing) might be something useful
21:13 < SupSuper> TODO: update the TODO.md
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21:13 < SupSuper> but crudely speaking we don't have: any real cityspace simulation (someone's working on ufos?), markets, organizations, items, transfers, scoring, funding, etc etc
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> UFOs and missions kinda work
21:14 < SupSuper> and of course the battlescape is a big empty nothing
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Like they appear every now and then to 'hover above a building and show the beam animation'
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> We also need to fixup vehicle hit boxes
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> and the damage model
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> then we can actually shoot those pesky ufos
21:15 < SupSuper> and proper player commands while we're at it :p
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> 'proper player commands'?
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> You can give vehicles commands now?
21:15 < SupSuper> being able to order stuff around with a proper ui and stuff
21:16 < SupSuper> i'm aware it works but that ui is so not up to code :p
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Little things like 'highlighting current vehicle's target' too
21:17 < Istrebitel> so, what would be a good place to start?
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and the paths on the map...
21:17 < Istrebitel> for a new member?
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Manufacturing might be good :)
21:17 < SupSuper> just pick a small mostly finished thing that's either missing some functionality or some polish
21:17 < SupSuper> then you can expand from there
21:18 < SupSuper> if you like base management stuff, manufacturing is good since it mostly uses the research backend which is already there
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> game/state/research.cpp Lab::update()
21:18 < Istrebitel> thanks
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe add a if (current_project->type == "Engineering") for the complete code
21:18 < SupSuper> although i find JonnyH`Work's statics and global labs gross :p
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> to say 'create new item in inventory (that currently doesn't exist :P)'
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> 'decrement 'number of items to produce'
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> if number of items == 0 show 'done' dialog
21:19 < SupSuper> well we have "items", that's good enough
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> else if you have enough cash start the next, or show dialog showing out of cash
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Base::inventory
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> feel free to take tips off SupSuper to cleanup the code generally :P
21:20 < SupSuper> it's all awful all of it!
21:21 < Istrebitel> yeah, I hope I'll figure it out )
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Well of course, I wrote it
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Feel free to ask questions here
21:21 < SupSuper> well i tend to be ui janitor
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> But remember 'why' anything is probably 'it seemed like a good idea at the time' :P
21:21 < SupSuper> but there's plenty of things still in a "rough" state so feel free to go through and fix them up and polish so we don't save it all up to the end
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> You might also want to ask Supsuper how to setup clang-format on windows
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I like my formatting consistent :)
21:22 < SupSuper> i wonder if i should make clang-format a pre-build step...
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> git commit hook...
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I've gotta run for a meeting
21:23 < SupSuper> oh no, actual work!
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> :O
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Meeting != work...
21:24 < SupSuper> oh yeah you can blame JonnyH`Work for debug builds being unusable in visual studio...
21:24 < SupSuper> hope you like printf's!
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> LogWarnings()!
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22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> By 'meeting' what I meant was start a meeting, then get distracted by watching the olympics cycling :P
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01:21 < Thinky> Hey
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04:38 <@JonnyH> Hi
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09:27 < Skin36> hi Isrebitel
09:48 < Istrebitel> hi
09:51 < Istrebitel> wasn't payin attention to the chat, just downloaded the sources and trying to figure them out )))
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13:04 < Istrebitel> Is anyone around? I'm trying to figure out how the code works and I'm puzzled
13:25 < Skin36> hi
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15:18 < Istrebitel> Hmm, can anyone tell me where does the game take the research from?
15:18 < Istrebitel> I see research defined in each of the difficulty's xml files, but I assume they must be populated from one single source, rather than having to copy-paste same data manually into every difficulty?
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15:52 <@JonnyH> Hi Istrebitel 
15:52 < Istrebitel> hi
15:53 <@JonnyH> currently the research is 'extracted' from the original game's .exe
15:53 <@JonnyH> see: tools/extractors/extract_research.cpp
15:54 <@JonnyH> The 'extracted' data is then 'patched' with common_patch
15:54 <@JonnyH> then the difficultyN_patch
15:54 <@JonnyH> to generate difficultyN_patched
15:54 <@JonnyH> the 'patched' version is then autogenerated
15:54 <@JonnyH> At this point I might remove the 'extractor' system and instead just check-in the result
15:55 <@JonnyH> and modify that manually
15:55 < Istrebitel> So manufacturing should also be extracted from there?
15:55 <@JonnyH> I do not know if we have figured out where the manufacturing data is in the .exe...
15:55 <@JonnyH> If you put it in data/common_patch
15:55 <@JonnyH> it'll be included in all difficulties
15:55 < Istrebitel> Well... I could just start with manually adding some entries, and then we either find it or we can fill it all manually
15:56 <@JonnyH> so if you just want to manually add it there
15:56 < Istrebitel> Another question is do I make a separate class for it, or use research class? Because the way system is built, labs and workshops are handled by Lab class
15:56 <@JonnyH> I'm not sure?
15:57 <@JonnyH> It probably depends on how much in common research/manufacturing has
15:57 <@JonnyH> You can create a new class for now
15:57 < Istrebitel> ResearchTopic's Type has an entry for Engineering now
15:57 <@JonnyH> but if you end up copy-pasting lots of stuff we can then look into merging
15:57 < Istrebitel> so technically Engineering projects are research topics now
15:58 < Istrebitel> we can leave them as that, or separate them, I see benefits and problems with either approach
15:58 <@JonnyH> I suspect either way will be 'ok' :P
15:59 <@JonnyH> It might make sense to keep them together
16:00 <@JonnyH> so the dependencies stuff is shared
16:00 <@JonnyH> e.g. if someone wanted to mod in a manufacturing topic that required an item you could
16:00 <@JonnyH> even if the original game didn't need it
16:01 <@JonnyH> (But then that might just mean creating a ManufacturingTOpic class that has a ResearchDependency member... Or renamed ResearchDependency if it's no longer just research :)
16:01 <@JonnyH> I'm no good at software design clearly :P
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16:12 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW Istrebitel do you use MSVC on windows?
16:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I was going to move some of the build output directories around a bit
16:18 <@JonnyH`Work> but I don't really use windows for dev, so don't want to do something unexpected and 'weird'
16:39 < Thinky> Hey Jonny
16:40 <@JonnyH`Work> hey Thinky 
16:44 < Thinky> Long time
16:45 < Thinky> How have you been?
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Alright
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Still progressing... slowly :P
16:45 < Thinky> You've made a lot of progress, which is awesome
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> And a few people have popped up recently to help
16:45 < Thinky> Well progress no matter how small is better than none at all
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> which is awesome :D
16:45 < Thinky> I know!
16:46 < Thinky> I can't code, but if you need any help with some of the unit values and stuff, I will see what I can do.
16:46 <@JonnyH`Work> most we 'try' to drag directly out the old .exe
16:46 < Thinky> Who has helped recently?
16:46 < Thinky> Ah...
16:46 <@JonnyH`Work> but there are actually some bugs we've noticed
16:46 < Thinky> Please do tell.
16:46 <@JonnyH`Work> like 'unusual' armour values, a couple of city tiles clearly in the wrong place (like some grass in the middle of a wall)
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> and 'x-com' owning a water treatment plant :P
16:47 < Thinky> Huh...
16:47 < Thinky> That is strange
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> It's just interesting to see all these weird things in the original :P
16:47 < Thinky> What weird things?
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> All those things are in the original, I just didn't notice
16:48 < Thinky> Oh
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> but you can go back and see them in dosbox
16:48 < Thinky> I haven't either
16:48 < Thinky> What's wrong with armor values?
16:48 < Thinky> From what I could tell most were pretty normal
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> plus reverse engineering some of the mechanics show some of my 'understanding' when I was ~12 playing this for the first time were clearly wrong
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I was thinking of the 'voxel' values actually
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Like they look nothing like the aircraft sprites in some cases :P
16:50 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH what I probably need is someone to keep the 'community' stuff going
16:51 < Thinky> I could help with that if you need
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Like translating git logs / chats in irc into regular 'progress reports' or something would be nice
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and doing the odd show-off video for more shiny features
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been meaning to do that for a while
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> but keep making excuses :P
16:52 < Thinky> I could do that, although I would probably need someone to translate new features for me
16:53 < Thinky> But other than that, I could certainly help
16:53 < Thinky> I could make show-off videos every other month or so and have some "features to come" stuff
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I also want to make the install process a bit easier
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> and it might be worth running that by someone who doesn't think the command like is the pinnacle of user experience :P
16:54 < Thinky> Hey! That sounds just like me!
16:54 < Thinky> And I could even help write the install process if you need it simplified
16:56 < Thinky> Would I have to make a new youtube account for this?
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I think pmprog made a generic 'openapoc' one...
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> But I think I just used my own :P
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> These are just ideas, not sure if theyre 'good' or not ;)
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> but got a fair few views and interest for the videos I did
16:59 < Thinky> So I would just reupload the current progress reports, and then post new ones on a channel that I would make (probably should name it something like OpenApoc 2)
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> though we really want to 'advertise' to devs at the minute
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> which is probably a bit different to aiming for 'HYPE!!'
17:04 < Thinky> I could try contacting programmers I know
17:04 < Thinky> or at the very least
17:04 < Thinky> I could try to contact a group or forum or something
17:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Meh, don't want to be annoying though
17:04 < Thinky> It shouldn't be
17:04 < Thinky> If they don't want to, they just say "no, thanks"
17:04 < Thinky> But if they are interested
17:05 < Thinky> then you get a few extra hands
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> If they know c++/c++11 that'll be cool too
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I originally treated this as a 'learn c++11' project
17:05 < Thinky> I will look for those who know C++ as well
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and some is... clearly learning code ;)
17:06 < Thinky> http://www.programmingforums.org/forum15.html
17:06 < Thinky> Could post a request there
17:06 < Thinky> At the least it may turn a few heads
17:06 < Thinky> get people talking
17:07 < Thinky> 12 people are looking at it now, so it has decent traffic
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect you might also need to have some interest in gamedev
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> or played the orignal apoc or something
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> to care enough to put in some work :)
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> but yeah sure, go ahead
17:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know the etiquette of asking for help though
17:08 < Thinky> Don't worry, formality is my specialty
17:09 < Thinky> I will see what I can do
17:09 < Thinky> No promises on new devs, but hopefully some heads will turn
17:10 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH with the people arriving recently I probably need to do some 'management' stuff
17:10 <@JonnyH`Work> like updating the todo
17:10 <@JonnyH`Work> tracking what people are working on what
17:10 < Thinky> Hmm
17:10 < Thinky> I could do that
17:10 < Thinky> But
17:10 < Thinky> It would be difficult to find everyone's progress
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be easier to start a forum thread where each of the devs can say 'what I'm working on'
17:11 < Thinky> Yeah, and they update it at their pace with a "To-Do" list
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I might do that this evening, after work
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll probably discuss it with people next time I see them here
17:11 < Thinky> Not a bad idea, you could probably post it on the OpenApoc forum
17:11 < Thinky> I will do the same
17:12 < Thinky> That way it would be easier for a Project Manager to see progress
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Even if it's just someone bugging me 'It looks like you've checked something in referring to *THING* - have you updated the TODO list about *THING*?'
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> It's easy to be lazy if it's just me working on things
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's not helpful for others
17:13 < Thinky> True
17:13 < Thinky> One suggestion though
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> oh?
17:14 < Thinky> I would but another sub-category under the OpenApoc forum (under the development tab) called "Progress" so the personal progress reports aren't clumped into other programming stuff
17:14 < Thinky> Not sure if that is possible, but it would tidy things a whole lot more
17:14 < Thinky> http://openapoc.pmprog.co.uk/
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe... NOt sure if I can do that, or we'll need pmprog
17:15 < Thinky> Likely, for now we can do an interim solution
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> a thread where each dev has a post they edit wouldn't be too messy?
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Or someone reads follup posts and edits the first one with the 'latest status'
17:16 < Thinky> That won't be messy, it will just be difficult to find among the other posts
17:16 < Thinky> Not bad.
17:17 < Thinky> For now we could probably put the personal progress reports (I will just refer to them as PPRs) in the Troubleshooting tab, but if that isn't possible we can put it in the general discussion
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17:23 < Thinky> Hello Pmprog
17:23 < Thinky> speak of the devil
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog is clearly the devil :)
17:24 <@JonnyH`Work> We were just discussing ways we can keep track of stuff now we have a few more poeple helping out
17:25 < Thinky> And hopefully I will be able to help out soon as well!
17:25 < pmprog_laptop> Hey guys. How's things?
17:25 < pmprog_laptop> That's great. I assume Trello isn't working?
17:26 < Thinky> I am uncertain
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> 'working' requires someone to keep it upto date and stuff I guess
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> If that's the best solution going forward it certainly makes sens to do so
17:27 < pmprog_laptop> Well, anything to "track stuff" will require people to update it
17:27 < pmprog_laptop> I don't know if Trello is the best, I've never really tried to manage a project before
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> same here...
17:30 < pmprog_laptop> If it's ineffectual, then sure, replace it
17:30 < pmprog_laptop> Pity there's no way you could generate a TODO list from source code, and create stub classes that need filling
17:31 < pmprog_laptop> So you could start with a Battlescape class - which as work starts, expands to several further classes
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> stub classes require at least a data model level of design I suspect we can't really do right now
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> brb meeting
17:31 < Thinky> Well, I am no expert in project management, but I could provide an interim solution if needed.
17:32 < Thinky> I have managed several projects before, so that's a plus.
17:33 < pmprog_laptop> Sure, offer up what you;ve got, and if it works better than Trello, I guess it's a no-brainer
17:36 < Thinky> Alright, I will have to be absent for a few moments (as in an hour or so) but I will continue this conversation later.
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18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> back
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> so I suspect the issue with planning is "I don't really want to put any time into it"
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I want a magic no-effort solution to a problem with no magic no-effort solutions :P
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> If we get trello up to date and actually use it it might be great
18:19 < Thinky> I can put the work and effort into the community management
19:06 < pmprog_laptop> Sure, I struggle for time to do anything, even project manage any more :)
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19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> hi SupSuper
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> MSVC people: is this sane?
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/dcd0e6186b4ed4729bacd12605b0c49610bb26ca
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus currently build output/intermedate files seem to go all over the place
19:15 < SupSuper> yeah msvc++ does not have sane defaults :p
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll push that then?
19:16 < SupSuper> yeah it looks about right
19:16 < SupSuper> openxcom uses $(ProjectDir)..\bin\$(Platform)\$(Configuration)\ and $(ProjectDir)..\obj\$(Platform)\$(Configuration)\
19:17 < SupSuper> as long as it compiles :p
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I like having a single dir for all build output
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's at least 'better'... I guess?
19:18 < SupSuper> well i'm pretty sure i pointed out the mess before, i just couldn't get it to compile afterwards
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> This was pretty simple
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect some stuff might have been 'fixed' by using msvc references for libs
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> not directly adding stuff to the 'linker options'
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I also added RElease/Debug/win32/x64 to appveyor
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and added the .pdb to the stored output for backtraces
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19:23 < pmprog_laptop> JonnyH`Work: The worse thing about MSVC IMO is that if you have two .c files with the same name (and maybe same class name, but in different namespaces), it tries to build the .obj in the same place, overrides the other and causes build errors! :(
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: yeah, that's one reason I wanted to make sure at least the intermediates of each project are in a different die
19:24 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: every build tool does that afaik
19:25 < pmprog_laptop> It's stupid. They should mimic the directory stucture of the file location under /obj/... then you'll never have problems
19:26 < SupSuper> well iirc you can have make just mimic the directory structure under obj... but then it's a headache getting it to link everything
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: cmake mirrors the source directory structure
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> so game/file.cpp goes to build/game/file.o
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> well ,not exactly that, but something derived from the source path :P
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19:30 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/v6KfW
19:30 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master dcd0e61 Jonathan Hamilton: Try to standardise the msvc build directories a bit...
19:30 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 82d4b6f Jonathan Hamilton: MSVC: Disable whole program optimisations...
19:30 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9b1a10d Jonathan Hamilton: Update 'master' appveyor config w/new build dirs
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19:31 < SupSuper> oh no my optimizations!
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> from my profile run, the difference was.. zero :P
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> You need to enable -fomg-fast I guess :P
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH I've not had any issues with 'release' performance anyway
20:18 < pmprog_laptop> I'm off... Catch you again next time. Have fun :)
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20:50 < Skin36> hi JonnyH`Work
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> hi Skin36 
21:13 < Skin36> I understood, it is believed accurate but I do not understand how it is used
21:14 < Skin36> http://pastebin.com/P7ueAkvC
21:16 < Skin36> then used
21:16 < Skin36> http://pastebin.com/dF7hdgSL
21:17 < Skin36> similar to the logarithmic dependence
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> what's the _CHP instruction?
21:23 < Skin36> http://pastebin.com/FfmEWTME
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> so it sets the fpu round mode etc.?
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> v18 seems to be read from *proj_x  and never used...
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess accuracy_use
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> veh_x,y,z contain the position of the firing unit
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> *proj_x,y,z contain the 'target'
21:25 < Skin36> yes
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> It uses the accuracy (and range) to modify the proj_x,y,z values
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> so it agrees with my post on the forum that the 'hit' stuff is all done in voxel space
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> same as the previous xcoms
21:26 < Skin36> complicated formula
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> it makes a 'valid' random float (the make_random do..while loop)
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> __FYL2X__(v26, 0.69...)
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> is 0.69... * log2(v26)?
21:31 < Skin36> perhaps
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> ...How the hell does my rng still generate different values in msvc??
21:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Ooohh, I bet it's uniform_int_distribution!
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Balls... If we can't use the distributions deterministically it'll be a massive pain...
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I wonder if boost has a version we can use? So at least it's the same on all platforms...
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21:48 < Skin36> __CHP   The command number of rounds in accordance with the rounding mode set
22:04 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-3tfn6TNnC/
22:05 < Skin36> This feature rejects the direction of the projectile
22:06 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-1tfn6TNnD/
22:06 < Skin36> you're right
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> so presumalbly it checks firing arc
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> if outside the arg it cannot fire (loc_5B70D is presumably 'return FAILED_TO_FIRE' or something
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> it calculates the accuracy
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> the uses that to 'modify' the target position
22:10 < Skin36> but how do we use the accuracy?
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> today, openapoc doesn't use accuracy
22:11 < Skin36> Make your own formula?
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22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, we want to copy the apoc one as much as possible
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> If you keep those function disasm handy somewhere
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> we can use them to try to get something that'll behave the same
22:13 < SupSuper> just copy the disasm straight into openapoc
22:13 < SupSuper> better yet just link into the exe for all the mystery bits
22:13 < SupSuper> boom game done
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> #include "ufo2p.exe"
22:16 < Skin36>  :D
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22:18 < SupSuper> worked for keeperfx
22:19 < SupSuper> they just turned the original game into a dll and rebuild it one function at a time :p
22:20 < SupSuper> that would probably gut me inside though, working with unpure unclean reversed code *shudders*
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> same with openrct2
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> though that's more disasm2c
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/serialize_rng
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Why the f**ck does this still generate different results for the initial_tiles on windows?
22:26 < SupSuper> how are you seeding it?
22:26 < SupSuper> maybe different platforms seed differntly by default?
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> rng{}
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm pulling in my own xorshift rng
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> test_rng asserts the values are the same (and passes on windows and linux)
22:27 < SupSuper> hmmm
22:27 < SupSuper> try using a fixed value to rule out it's the rng?
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> (count++) % 4
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> generates the same on win and linux
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> (rng()) % 4 doesn't
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> finaly :)
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> int->uint casts matter when chainging size!
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> time to rewrite history so nobody sees my dumb mistake...
22:46 < SupSuper> lol
22:46 < SupSuper> are you building on different archs?
22:48 < SupSuper> also how the hell does anyone make sense of disassembled c? it just looks weird and scary to me
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> A lot of it  isn't really needed
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> the disasm has to keep side effects (like the condition flags, any fpu state etc.)
22:49 < SupSuper> that's what makes it so weird!!
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> even if the program never actually uses it
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Often I fire up a x86 instruction reference looking at Skin's screenshots :)
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> static_assert(sizeof(long) == 8, "Your longs are too short");
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> problem solved :P
22:52 < SupSuper> who uses longs
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> me apparently when I make a think-o
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> probably should have beena  long long
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> or evern better uin64_t 
22:53 < SupSuper> looooooong
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> or even even better, the template type :P
22:54 < SupSuper> so is there a "make sense of disassembled code" primer or what :P
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I think H P Lovecraft wrote something similar to that
22:55 < SupSuper> well everyone else seems to do it!
22:55 < SupSuper> meanwhile here i am writing things from scratch like a sucker
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> 'everyone else'?
22:56 < SupSuper> all the other remakes
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it's a skill to do anything but the bare minimum of pattern recognition
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> But they're insane
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> when I mentioned the rollercoaster tycoon 2 remake?
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Don't look at the code
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> It'll make your head explode
22:57 < SupSuper> taking after ttd i guess :p
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> openttd?
22:58 < SupSuper> yeah it's also a disassembled mess. they all are. but it works out for them!
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> was that wrapped around disasm? Not a re-implementation?
22:59 < SupSuper> judging by the quality of the code i doubt it
22:59 <@JonnyH`Work> looks very dissimilar to how you would write a dos game in C/asm...
22:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Unless it's been modified so much since it looks different, of course
23:01 <@JonnyH`Work> There was someone doing that with the old pc98 touhou games
23:01 <@JonnyH`Work> disasm-to-c
23:01 <@JonnyH`Work> recompile with a 'wacom C' compatible compiler
23:01 <@JonnyH`Work> ensure it builds & runs
23:01 <@JonnyH`Work> go through and progressively replace crazy disasm c with readable c
23:02 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm.. google images thinks the pc98 only ever had porn games
23:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess it is Japan...
23:02 < SupSuper> sounds about right
23:02 < SupSuper> and it has been over 10 years since openttd first came to be
23:02 <@JonnyH`Work> One of my friends went over there for a couple of years
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> said there aren't 'pc' games over there
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> You either game on a console
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> or it's code for 'porn games'
23:03 < SupSuper> it's true, pc is all "visual novels"
23:03 < SupSuper> if you know what i mean
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> (lenny_face)
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> I've noticed that the 'new game' queue on steam seems full of that stuff now
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess they're relatively cheap to create
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Or they're just going through the back catalogue and translating them or something...
23:06 < SupSuper> steam is probably a good market for them
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Full of lonely losers who want to escape their depressing existance by way of cartoon catgirls
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> ....
23:07  * JonnyH`Work gets out credit card
23:07 < SupSuper> imagine the steam achievements
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't want to know...
23:08 < SupSuper> also i found the earliest commit of openttd: http://git.openttd.org/?p=trunk.git;a=tree;h=efaeb275f78e18d594d9ee8ff04eccd2dc59512c;hb=efaeb275f78e18d594d9ee8ff04eccd2dc59512c
23:08 < SupSuper> definitely more polished than a straight disasm but there's still lots of archaic stuff that probably came from one
23:08 < SupSuper> like using c in 2003 :p
23:09 < SupSuper> also it was the win32 version so that probably disassembles nicer
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> https://wiki.openttd.org/OpenTTD
23:10 < SupSuper> then again sawyer loved asm so who knows how far off it really was
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess it might be? It started life as a binary patch?
23:10 < SupSuper> different things
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> disasm of something from C looks very different from something build initially in asm
23:12 < SupSuper> "The Patch's method of modifying the game made a lot of potential features near-impossible. Ludde contacted Owen Rudge, owner of TT-Forums, in 2003, and explained he was going to reverse engineer the game and convert TTD to C. A year later Ludde surprisingly presented Owen Rudge with the first release."
23:12 < SupSuper> yeah i would've been surprised as well
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> So someone locked himself in a room and a year later had a full C ttd implementation?
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Could ahve been anything :P
23:13 < SupSuper> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6559
23:13 < SupSuper> not surprised he was involved in scummvm :P
23:15 < SupSuper> also probably the first time in history someone just dumping a whole bunch of source and asking for help actually turned into something fruitful
23:15 <@JonnyH`Work> if the source 'already kinda works' you have a decent chance
23:18 <@JonnyH`Work> all my coworked seem to have f**cked off....
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23:18 < SupSuper> hurray for summer work
23:18 <@JonnyH> well, 2 are on holiday
23:18 <@JonnyH> on a team of 5...
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23:40 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 10 new commits to master: https://git.io/v6KKc
23:40 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 33ff7cf Jonathan Hamilton: Add a 'deterministic' RNG and serialize it with GameState...
23:40 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 797f9cc Jonathan Hamilton: Add library/xorshift.h to cmake
23:40 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 63ac1cf Jonathan Hamilton: Add library/xorshift.h to msvc
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23:42 < SupSuper> your quest for testable code is finally over :p
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00:01 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v6KiW
00:01 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 1e40a1a Jonathan Hamilton: Try to shrink travis log...
00:01 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6469b25 Jonathan Hamilton: Update miniz to avoid some (technically) undefined behaviour
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00:04 < SupSuper> huh vs finally added c++ version flags: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/08/12/stl-fixes-in-vs-2015-update-3/
00:04 < SupSuper> shame i can't force it to old c++ :p
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01:09 < Think> Hello Jonny!
01:09 < Think> Again!
01:11 <@JonnyH> hey there
01:12 < Think> So anything new?
01:25 <@JonnyH> I think I might have just broken starting the game :(
01:25 <@JonnyH> But who will ever want to do that? pff
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11:08 < Istrebitel> Anyone can tell what's the purpose of num_labs_created in research class?
11:08 < Istrebitel> Seems to only get incremented and never decremented or used
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11:51 < kkmic> Unable to fetch in submodule path 'dependencies/miniz'
11:51 < kkmic> Authentication required for this module?
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15:55 <@JonnyH> kkmic: The github it was linked to was deleted
15:55 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: and num_labs is used to make sure the lab name is unique
15:55 <@JonnyH> so they're called LAB_1, LAB_2...
15:55 <@JonnyH> kkmic: to fix that you need to 'git submodule deinit dependencies/miniz'
15:56 <@JonnyH> delete the .git/modules/dependencies/miniz folder
15:56 <@JonnyH> and re-run 'git submodule init' and 'git submodule update'
15:56 <@JonnyH> There's probabaly a better way, but that seems to work for me :)
15:56 <@JonnyH> New checkouts won't have that problem
15:56 <@JonnyH> Oh, and Istrebitel - Shadow was doing stuff on equipment and inventory
15:57 <@JonnyH> that may cross over with equipment stores etc.
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18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I tweaked the initial base layout stuff last night
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> as it was once again getting into an 'impossible to place' situation on hard
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> due to slightly different rng results :)
18:18 < SupSuper> how hard can it be to make a random base? :p
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I made it so it makes a list of possible locations and randomly chooses within that
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> so we can go "No possible locations? Abort, reset the base and try again"
18:20 < SupSuper> didn't i do that in the first place? god who knows anymore
18:20 < SupSuper> anyways thanks
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> It also completely ignored the 'count' of each module
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> so it only ever made one of each :P
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> It currently relies on destroyFAcility() always succeeding on an otherwise empty base
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> so if we add stores/living quaters 'use' it'll have to create the base before filing them
18:24 < SupSuper> that'll keep modders from making overstuffed bases :p
18:25 < SupSuper> i'm still not sure how it can "fail" making the base when the 2x2 always comes first...
18:26 < Istrebitel> @JonnyH'Work, well, I'm almost done
18:26 < Istrebitel> with inventory and manufacture
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> :D
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I started to resurrect my 'code style' doc too
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> With other working it makes sense to fianlly go through that
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> So expect some massive commits from me renaming everything :P
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> then I'll add the stuff to clang-tidy, so at least travis will point out new issues
18:28 < SupSuper> there goes the git blame :p
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> As it's mostly auto-generated (through clang-format and clang-tidy)
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I could get a script to rewrite history
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> but that sounds fragile and ... insane?
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah. Insane.
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Let's do it :D
18:29 < SupSuper> also doesn't LogError kill the game?
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> 'may' kill the game
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> LogAssert() _does_ kill the game
18:30 < SupSuper> so user-friendly :p
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I see the 'limp along' button as a 'anything could happen' button, though it has been handy debugigng stuff :)
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I see in a 'release' version LogError will always die and not allow to continue
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> but as it can't be marked noreturn clang-tidy whines about it
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> so did we get a decision on where we should keep track of our 'current' tasks?
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> forum? Trello? Post-its on the moon?
18:35 < SupSuper> *shrug* trello's pretty popular as far as "post-its on the moon" go
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> https://trello.com/openapoc
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> If everyone makes an account I can add them to that?
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Then I'll translate the tODO.md tehre?
18:37 < SupSuper> sure, you know my account
18:37 < SupSuper> though it's easier to keep track of "what's being done" than "what still needs doing" :p
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I just want to make sure people don't overlap too much
18:38 < SupSuper> well i'm the "do whatever is boring as fuck" guy
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> UI it is then :P
18:40 < SupSuper> i'll finish the message history eventually!
19:15 < SupSuper> btw JonnyH`Work you have automated builds on msvc right?
19:15 < SupSuper> how does that work? do they do it on a windows machine?
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> appveyor
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> yup, I guess it's a wondows vm somewhere
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> wondows... the cheap chinese knock-off, from macrosoft
19:15 < SupSuper> wish i could do that, i'm getting so tired of mingw's bullshit :p
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> can you not?
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> you can get it to save the build output too
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/JonnyH/openapoc/build/job/3phqsd227ap28icp/artifacts
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> nice .zip
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Travis doesn't do that :P
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19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> so we don't have 'nightly' binaries for linux, only wondows
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> ffs...
19:16 < SupSuper> interesting
19:17 < SupSuper> i mean it's still more convenient only having one machine build everything
19:17 < SupSuper> but at least then i'd have stack traces :p
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I added the .pdb to the zip the other day
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> so we get stack traces in openapoc too :D
19:17 < SupSuper> mingw debug builds are huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> but the download is 20x the size...
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, it doesn't really like windows debug format
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> With dwarf on elf-linux
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> you can use debuglink (so it's in a different file) and zlib compressed
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, if you just want backtraces, -g1 will make much smaller debug info to -g (which defaults to -g2 iirc)
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and having 'one machine' do everything is useful
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> until you get someone else to do it for you
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> so technically I have zero machines :)
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20:40 < SupSuper> wait appveyor costs money?? what???? whaaaaaat??????
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20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> wait... what?
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm not paying anything?
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> "Free for open-source projects. "
20:41 < SupSuper> ok it says it's "free" but also "50% discount"? *shrug*
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I think you can pay for >1 process at a time
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and it'll kill you if you take more than 60mins
20:52 < Istrebitel> Okay manufacturing is almost ready, along with some improvements to research, will hopefully make a pull request tomorrow
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> coolio :D
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Did you get clang-format working?
20:53 < Istrebitel> erm... what is it? afaik, it's some kind of commenting guideline?
20:53 < Istrebitel> i just went with what i saw in code
20:54 < Istrebitel> meaning, commented like it was commented in code, etc
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> WEll, the closest thing we have to a code-style doc is my work-in-progress here:
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/PROPOSAL/code-style-doc/CODE_STYLE.md
20:56 < SupSuper> clang-format just does general formatting
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> plus the formatting stuff encoded in the .clang-format file
20:56 < SupSuper> tabs, linebreaks, etc
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> if you install clan 3.8.1
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper hade a batch file that reformats all code in the repository accordingly
20:56 < SupSuper> yeah if you install clang you can either use the clang_format.bat or the visual studio plugin
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> similarly on linux there's a 'format-sources' make target
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> *sigh*
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> just noticed Github's markdown renderer has gone and replaced all tabs with 4x spaces
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Kinda makes the 'examples' in that useless...
21:04 < Istrebitel> so, what do I have to download?
21:04 < Istrebitel> I tried to follow the way the code that I saw is formatted, but I can also run a tool if needed
21:05 < Istrebitel> manufacturing works btw. only can do 1 item at a time right now. next I need to code in the control to select the amount
21:06 < SupSuper> just add a scrollbar, i think that's how the original worked
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> http://llvm.org/releases/download.html
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> should have 'clang for windows' - I assume you want 64bit
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Does the installer automatically add it to the PATH?
21:07 < SupSuper> i don't think it matters for clang-format
21:07 < SupSuper> i think there's an option for it
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> c:\program files\clang\bin\clang-format.exe is a pain to write each time though?
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I suppose you could locally modify the .bat file with the path
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: I apologies, I rarely use windows, so I rely on SupSuper for working with 'real person' platforms
21:09 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: sorry i meant "I assume you want 64bit - i don't think it matters for clang-format" and "Does the installer automatically add it to the PATH? - i think there's an option for it"
21:10 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/qG9tI/a728fac647.png there it is
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, this evening I'll update the CODE_STYLE.md
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> merge it into master
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> so at least we have a reference :)
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> even if much of the code doesn't match yet :P
21:12 < SupSuper> i just follow whatever the file's already like
21:12 < SupSuper> even if it's not internally consistent :P
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> CODE_STYLE.md: "Do what I say not what I do"
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23:19 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW has anyone bothered creating a trello account yet?
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23:52 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7606e0f Jonathan Hamilton: Try all difficulties in test_serialize...
23:52 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a0cc760 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix a couple of clang-tidy issues
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06:41 < SupSuper> JonnyH: apparently we already had a trello? https://trello.com/b/utjnWSzw/openapocalypse
06:46 < kkmic> JonnyH: no, the deinit/delete/init/update thing does not work for me
06:46 < kkmic> I'll make a fresh clone
06:49 < kkmic> Well, even with a fresh clone it still insists to clone into 'dependencies/miniz' when doing a git submodule update
06:49 < kkmic> :)
06:49 < kkmic> Hold on
06:50 < kkmic> Scratch that, I was working in the old repo
06:50 < kkmic> Everything seems to be ok
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11:19 < Skin36> hi
11:36 < Istrebitel> ffs... how do I merge my fork with main one?
11:37 < Istrebitel> I've done a commit to my fork, during these days main project had several commits too, now I need to merge those into my fork, but there's no merge option
11:37 < Istrebitel> only pull request for my commit into the main project, but I want to do that after I merge main project into my form
11:37 < Istrebitel> fork*
11:51 < Istrebitel> Well, I don't know if it's the right way, but I made a pull request from pmprog's openapoc to mine. It won't let me commit because of dependencies/miniz, says "add them as submodules from GitShell or delete .git folders". What should I do?
11:56 < Istrebitel> Toreiterate what I'm trying to do:
11:57 < Istrebitel> Istrebitel/OpenApoc is 1 commit ahead, 18 commits behind pmprog/OpenApoc
11:57 < Istrebitel> I want to merge 18 commits from pmprog/OpenApoc into Istrebitel/OpenApoc
11:57 < Istrebitel> How do I do that properly?
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15:18 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: a pull request will say if it can already be merged?
15:19 <@JonnyH> git 'automatically' merges on pull
15:19 <@JonnyH> so you only have to do something if the merge fails due to conflicts
15:19 <@JonnyH> Or you can use the command line git to rebase
15:19 <@JonnyH> Not sure how to do that in the UI (if it's possible)
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16:40 < Istrebitel> it says it can't be merged but you can make a pull request
16:41 < Istrebitel> so I just create a pull regardless of the fact I'm behind by 18 commits?
16:41 < Istrebitel> and then what? How do
16:41 < Istrebitel> I sync Istrebitel/OpenApoc with pmprog/OpenApoc after the pull?\
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> If you sync in pmprog/OpenApoc it'll start a merge
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> you might need some manual fixups
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> then commit the 'merge commit'
16:41 < Istrebitel> erm
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and then the pull request should then contain the merged version
16:42 < Istrebitel> how do I "sync in", where is that option?
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> How are you using git?
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> the 'github desktop' client?
16:43 < Istrebitel> yes
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> no idea...
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm having a quick playaround with it
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I know the git command line instructions you need
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> but I don't know what button you need to press to do them in the github app...
16:51 < Istrebitel> okay
16:51 < Istrebitel> that was what I was doing
16:52 < Istrebitel> but it says
16:52 < Istrebitel> could not comit submodules: dependencies/miniz
16:52 < Istrebitel> add them as submodules from git hsell or remove their .git folders to add them as requular directories instead
16:52 < Istrebitel> do I delete the .git folders?
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Bah, I had to change what repository miniz linked to
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> as the old one was deleted
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> and it keeps messing up github...
16:57 < Istrebitel> so what can I do to actually complete that pull request?
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably reset miniz from scratch...
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> If you click the cog in the top-right of the github app
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> there's "Open in Git Shell"
16:58 < Istrebitel> ok
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> type 'git submodule deinit dependencies\miniz'
16:58 < Istrebitel> error:the following file has local modifications
16:59 < Istrebitel>  dependencies\miniz
16:59 < Istrebitel> do i use -f to force?
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> then 'del .git\modules\dependencies\miniz'
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> It'll ask if you want to remove the whole directory and children
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> say 'Yes to All' by pressing 'a'
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Then when that directory is deleted
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> type 'git submodule init'
17:01 < Istrebitel> done
17:02 < Istrebitel> done
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> It should re-add dependencies\miniz - but make sure it uses (https://github.com/JonnyH/miniz.git) as the path
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> then 'git submodule update'
17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> then hopefully you should be able to commit :)
17:04 <@JonnyH`Work> If you do a pull request we can review it
17:04 <@JonnyH`Work> and merge it ourselves
17:04 < Istrebitel> yes it does
17:05 < Istrebitel> 2016-08-19 20:05:14.5488|WARN|thread: 1|StandardUserErrors|Showing user error Failed to create a new commit.
17:05 < Istrebitel> GitHub.IO.ProcessException: Checking patch game/state/research.cpp...
17:05 < Istrebitel> error: game/state/research.cpp: does not exist in index
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> errm....
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17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess the github app had gone terribly wrong somewhere...
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> The git command line may be 'difficult' to figure out
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> But at least it works :P
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> You can do the commit there if you want
17:06 < Istrebitel> restarted, seems to have done it
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug* whatever
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I use linux, so command lines are my 'normal' interace :P
17:07 < Istrebitel> okay I commited, now what?
17:08 < Istrebitel> I now have a pr/2 branch
17:08 < Istrebitel> pull request 2 i guess
17:08 <@JonnyH`Work> At the top there's "pull request"?
17:08 < Istrebitel> do I now merge this with my repo?
17:08 <@JonnyH`Work> It'll push it next time you press "sync" I think
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17:08 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #78: just merge it already (master...pr/2) https://git.io/v6Xhr
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17:08 <@JonnyH`Work> there we go :)
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17:09 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #78: just merge it already (master...pr/2) https://git.io/v6Xhr
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17:09 < Istrebitel> erm
17:09 < Istrebitel> it was on your repo for some reason
17:09 <@JonnyH`Work> it says pmprog on those pull requests
17:09 <@JonnyH`Work> That's what we want, right?
17:11 < Istrebitel> erm
17:11 < Istrebitel> actually I wanted to learn how to pull from your repo into mine
17:11 < Istrebitel> first
17:11 < Istrebitel> usually you do that first and then you ask to pull changes into main repo, no?
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Only if there's a merge conflict?
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Otherwise they're equivalent
17:12 < Istrebitel> erm
17:12 < Istrebitel> what if I, say, want to develop my form
17:12 < Istrebitel> fork*
17:12 < Istrebitel> but at the same time want to receive all commits main repo receives?
17:14 < Istrebitel> that is pull from main repo into mine, right?
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> If you select the branch
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> there should be an "Update from pmprog/master" button at the top?
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> No need for a pull request to do that
17:14 < Istrebitel> nope
17:15 < Istrebitel> i see only new pull request
17:15 < Istrebitel> and create new file, upload files, find file, clone or download
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> http://i.imgur.com/DlmPeb0.png
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Nothing likethat?
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17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Or you can do "git remote add pmprog https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc.git"
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> then to merge in:
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> "git fetch pmprog"
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> "git merge pmprog/master"
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus cmdlines are cool :P
17:22 < Skin36> hi
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> hi Skin36
17:22 < Skin36> CHP that  ceil
17:22 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-6tfn6TNoc/
17:23 < Skin36> 99.7777777777777   -> 100
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's ceil(the top ofthe cpu stack)?
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> ..fpu stack :)
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> x87 fpu is kinda a bit weird compared to the rest of the x86 instructions :P
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17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> It's ceil(x) not just fround(x) right?
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> so 99.1 goes to 100 too?
17:28 < Istrebitel> well its borked
17:28 < Istrebitel> i now have a branch master and a branch pr/2
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> That's normal?
17:28 < Istrebitel> branch pr/2 is 1 commit ahead or pmprog/openapoc
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup, that makes sense
17:29 < Istrebitel> if i try to update master from pmprog/master
17:29 < Istrebitel> i get teh same miniz error
17:29 < Istrebitel> but it's not fixed if i do the steps i did before
17:29 < Istrebitel> it remains
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> goddamn submodules :P
17:29 < Istrebitel> what do i do so that pr/2 becomes my master?
17:29 < Istrebitel> pull pr/2 into master?
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> 'master' is just another branch name
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> You can delete it like any other
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> and then re-create it
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> if you added pmprog as a remote as aboce
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> you can throw away any of your own changes with 'git reset pmprog/master'
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Not - that's pretty dangerous if you've got any changes you want to keep on your current branch :)
17:31 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-3tfn6TNoe/
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's round() not ceil()
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> presumably that means .4 goes down, .6 goes up
17:32 < Skin36> 99.2222222222 -> 97
17:32 < Skin36> *99
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> 97? It says 99...
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh :P
17:33 < Skin36> round() ? kk
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> ok, so I'm pretty sure it's fround(top of fpu stack)
17:34 < Skin36> 99.44444->99
17:34 < Skin36> 99.5555->100
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/cmath/round/
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> yup looks like float round()
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17:36 < Skin36> not
17:36 < Skin36> its roundl
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> doubles?
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, it's probably technically the crazy 80-bit float format x87 uses :P
17:37 < Skin36> yes
17:38 < Skin36> this bit set 1 (in SR) thet mean 80-bit
17:39 <@JonnyH`Work> but we probably don't care too much about the precision difference between float/double/long double
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW on your merge
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> for common_patch
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> you shouldn't re-define all the data that's already there
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> as it'll try to merge the two
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Only things that are added/changed from the extracted data
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> As otherwise that results in some things being doubled (like all the bullet sprites are now 2x as long, as they're appended)
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> same with the research, only have the values you changed in the patch
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> not everything
17:49 < Skin36> oh sorry it seill  rounding to 0, I set the wrong mode
17:50 < Skin36> its mode 1f00
17:51 < Istrebitel> okay, i deleted master, cloned pr/2 into new "master" deleted pr/2
17:51 < Istrebitel> it says master 1 ahead of pmprog's
17:51 < Istrebitel> hope this works...
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I should continue my GameState operator== work..
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Then we can generate the 'minimal' state patch required...
17:57 < Istrebitel> also, for some reason, it introduced this into the research.cpp fiole
17:57 < Istrebitel> <<<<<<< HEAD
17:57 < Istrebitel> 		unsigned ticks_per_progress_point = TICKS_PER_HOUR / skill;
17:57 < Istrebitel> =======
17:57 < Istrebitel> 		unsigned ticks_per_progress_hour = TICKS_PER_HOUR / lab->getTotalSkill();
17:57 < Istrebitel> >>>>>>> refs/remotes/origin/master
17:57 < Istrebitel> wtf
17:57 < Istrebitel> ?
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18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> That's a merge conflict marker
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I changed the lab->getTotalSkill() stuff recently
18:03 < Istrebitel> yeah I know you did
18:03 < Istrebitel> but why would it "mark" it in code?
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> when you did the pull it should have notified you of any conflicts?
18:03 < Istrebitel> i mean, doens't it show diff
18:03 < Istrebitel> well it showed me the diff
18:04 < Istrebitel> did i have to deselect those rows?
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably? MAybe? Not sure how github desktop deals with merge conflicts...
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> MErging is a very non-trivial thing :P
18:04 < Istrebitel> the diff display format in git is kinda... confusing. usually you're allowed to keep one, both or none
18:04 < Istrebitel> and you just check what you want
18:04 < SupSuper> github client is garbage hth :p
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git' doesn't do that, normally it calls out to a merge tool
18:05 < Istrebitel> here, it lets you select rows... but what happens if i select a "-" row? does it delete the string, or does it actually keep it?
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Not a clue...
18:05 < Istrebitel> yep
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> solution: Buy beyondcompare, set that as the merge tool :P
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper :)
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Already had to go down to the cmdline once to fix github desktop's suck
18:06 < Keise_> I usually just go in and edit the file
18:06 < SupSuper> or get tortoisediff
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> kdiff3 ain't bad either
18:06 < SupSuper> if all else fails, you know visual studio has git tools built in :p
18:07 < SupSuper> they're not very powerful but they *are* very fancy
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: do they actually work now?
18:07 < SupSuper> yeah as of 2015 they're pretty good. still gets a bit confused around submodules, but who doesn't
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I've noticed sometimes submodule updates get 'revered' by the next change accidently :P
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess as they didn't get updated, and it wasn't clever enough to realise it's just an old revision, not an intended change
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW looking at identifier-naming
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Wish me luck :)
18:09 < SupSuper> in vs it just always sees submodules as "changes" that can never be committed
18:09 < SupSuper> but it fixes itself once you do an external update
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I should add a 'force update submodules' as a pull hook or something...
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> but then vs probably doesn't honour hooks :P
18:10 < SupSuper> it's just a gui :P
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> it wraps 'git'?
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Or some craptacular '.net git database library' or something
18:10 < SupSuper> yes they don't do their own git replacement lol
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Like jgit in eclipse :P
18:11 < SupSuper> it just calls to msysgit
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> it's what git porcelain is for
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> a 'stable' machine interface to the cmdline tools :P
18:11 < SupSuper> they also made this, which is super good: https://github.com/Microsoft/Git-Credential-Manager-for-Windows
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> ssh-agent equivalent?
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> hmmm.. how to make clang-tidy work for initialisms...
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> It thinks ARGB is a word, and tries to make it Argb
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> which just feels wrong :)
18:13 < SupSuper> that's the .net convention :p
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Argb?
18:13 < SupSuper> yeah acronyms are treated as words
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> That makes the alpha look special in some way...
18:13 < SupSuper> Html, not HTML, etc
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> And if .net does it it _must_ be wrong
18:14 < SupSuper> i kinda like it, otherwise the *acronym* looks special
18:14 < SupSuper> or like a constant :p
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I suppose it's it's only initials in the whole identifier...
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I might actually have a _ prefix for member variables too...
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Who knows!
18:15 < SupSuper> :o
18:15 < SupSuper> so did you ever figure out which trello is the real one?
18:16 < SupSuper> i guess we needed a TODO: remember to use trello...
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I think they're both 'real'
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I made an openapoc 'group
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> and an openapoc 'board'
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> and I can't seem to reparent the board under the group :P
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> So I might throw that away, as a group makes sense
18:16 < SupSuper> kill one and use the other?
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH it's not like the data on there isn't horribly out of date or anything
18:17 < SupSuper> yeah :p
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> ..I think I added you to the group?
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> you should now be able to view the completely empty board there :P
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Keise_: Istrebitel: if you setup trello accounts give me the name/email and I can add you
18:20 < SupSuper> i feel so special
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Skin36: It might be worth having a 'reveng progress' board too?
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> At least so we know what we're missing
18:22 < SupSuper> apparently you can copy-paste a board, but i guess none of the old stuff is worth carrying over
18:22 < SupSuper> besides the ideas i guess
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> ..probably not
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> If you're keen feel free to start moving stuff over
18:23 < Keise_> JonnyH`Work: it should be @keise1 for trello
18:23 < SupSuper> also apparently you can only delete boards, not close them
18:23 < SupSuper> you can move them though in Settings > Change Team
18:24 < SupSuper> *you can only close, not delete
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Ooh, it's pmprog's board, and I don't have admin privs?
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll put you lot as admin in the group though
18:25 < SupSuper> ah that explains it
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> ...are you changing the background?
18:26 < SupSuper> maybe
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems to be changing it live here: P
18:26 < SupSuper> lol nice
18:26 < SupSuper> it's the only way to preview
18:26 < SupSuper> not a great selection though
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> mine just says 'get trello pro' :P
18:28 < Keise_> so we just have to copy tasks on new board?
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Or port the TODO.md stuff
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> plus anything else you think needs to be there
18:28 < SupSuper> i'll create some tasks
18:28 < SupSuper> if i miss anything let me know
18:31 < Istrebitel> okay, now to figure out this clang business
18:31 < Istrebitel> so, I install VVLM, what next?
18:31 < Istrebitel> LLVM*
18:32 < SupSuper> that's it
18:32 < SupSuper> just run clang_format_win.bat or use a visual studio plugin to format stuff
18:36 < SupSuper> alright i added a bunch of stuff, feel free to mess around with it as you see fit
18:37 < SupSuper> i recommend using cards for broad game features and then using a checklist inside to actually drill into all the parts of that feature
18:37 < SupSuper> and keep track of what you've done / what's still missing, so we don't lose track of stuff to "polish" later
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I want to try to keep track of what people are doing too
18:38 < SupSuper> i have no idea what you are doing :p
18:39 < Keise_> ^ this
18:39 < Keise_> is there a way to assign a task to myself?
18:40 < SupSuper> just click it and add members
18:42 < Keise_> hmm maybe I can't edit
18:42 < Keise_> checkboxes not clickable either
18:42 < SupSuper> have you sent JonnyH`Work your username so he can add you
18:42 < Keise_> yea, I'm in the group
18:43 < SupSuper> did you join the board from the menu?
18:44 < Keise_> I don't see an option to do that
18:44 < SupSuper> ok i added you all
18:44 < SupSuper> if that works
18:45 < Keise_> okay now it's fine
18:47 < Keise_> do we need a list for reversing?
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know if we 'need' one
18:47 < SupSuper> well that's Skin36's department
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> But I remember a few times thinking "I should get skin to look at thius"
18:47 < SupSuper> if he'd rather have a board or a list or just a mental.txt :p
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> and other times skin asking if there's anything he should be looking at
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> and connecting the two up makes sense :)
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18:48 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #79: Manufacturing almost done, and Research bugfixes (master...master) https://git.io/v61Or
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18:48 < Istrebitel> okay I think I got everything right
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> you still need to remove the extr stuff in common_patch
18:49 < SupSuper> i've made a bunch of checklists so you can get an idea how i organize things
18:49 < SupSuper> but feel free to do it differently
18:50 < Keise_> I'll add missing stuff from TODO list later today
18:50 < Keise_> and I'll check my own todo if anything is worth adding
18:50 < Keise_> finally it's a weekend :)
18:51 < SupSuper> that battlescape list is gonna explode at some point :p
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> TODO: Battlescape
18:52 < SupSuper> TODO: Actually give a damn about ground vehicles
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> TODO: Make ground vehicles acutally useful
18:53 < SupSuper> WONTFIX
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I gues we could probably release without user ground vehicles and nobody would notice :P
18:54 < SupSuper> there i gave us a nice background for motivation :P
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> ...grey?
18:56 < Keise_> cool
18:58 < SupSuper> i set a custom background, maybe only i can see it
18:58 < SupSuper> that'd make these premium features really dumb
18:58 < SupSuper> i don't know how i got them, but damn if i'm not gonna use them :p
18:59 < Keise_> I see it alright
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> you actually pay for trello??
18:59 < SupSuper> nah pretty sure it was one of their giveaways
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh no, it's mjust trello-backgrounds.s3.amazonaws.com seems to be going at dial-up speed
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> It's still readong :)
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Still not finished loading... This can't be normal :P
19:04 < SupSuper> turn it off and on again?
19:11 < Keise_> hmm
19:11 < Istrebitel> JonnyH`Work, what do I have to fix in common?
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19:29 < SupSuper> Istrebitel: i think he means all the extra stuff that got added to the common xml
19:29 < SupSuper> the common_patch should only contain the stuff that *can't* be extracted from the game
19:29 < Istrebitel> erm
19:30 < Istrebitel> we discussed with him that we're going to start using our own xmls as sources
19:31 < SupSuper> hmmm
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> "maybe in the future" - not now
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Having both right now breaks some stuff
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> like the bullet sprites list ends up getting doubled etc.
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19:53 < Istrebitel> so, can I append to research.xml then? can I create a list with my own entries for research.xml so they get added to the ones extracted from the game?
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Anything that matches the ID of an already existing map only modifies the members with xml nodes
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> If there's no node, it keeps the same value
19:55 < SupSuper> magic, got it
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> *spooky* magic
19:55 < Istrebitel> so, I just add manufacturing entries
19:55 < Istrebitel> but no research ones?
19:55 < Istrebitel> and that's done?
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> yup, if you don't need to modify any of the research data
19:55 < Istrebitel> btw, how do I change a color of a label?
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> just add the new maufacturing ones
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> then yes, that's all you need
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> text colour or 'background' colour?
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: You're Mr. Forms :P
19:56 < SupSuper> we don't have text "coloring" yet
19:56 < SupSuper> afaik
19:56 < SupSuper> you can set a palette? no idea if it works
19:56 < Istrebitel> ah, I see
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> unless you create a new palette I think...
19:56 < SupSuper> this is why i added a card for "fonts: how do they work???"
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the original allows them to be an 'offset' for the palette index from some different points for different colours...
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> We could add a new palette for each and it should work
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> but that seems ineffecient?
19:57 < SupSuper> sure i'd be offseting it right away... if this was openxcom :p
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> nothing else uses offsets, with no day/night/light shading
19:58 < SupSuper> you could always "tint" it but that might be inelegant? or shader it cleverly
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Or make the font a=0
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> so it draws a 'punch through' to the coloured layer beneath?
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> You'll need to modify the blend mode in the renderer though
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> And it's completely insane, too
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think there are many different colours
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> so having a few 'font palettes' might be fine
20:02 < SupSuper> the only annoyance is the fonts aren't 0-indexed
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I think they're 0-10 or something?
20:02 < SupSuper> they map directly to the UI_PALETTE.PNG wherever that came from
20:03 < SupSuper> but yeah there's only like white text and... blue text?
20:03 < SupSuper> so not a huge priority
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I thin there's yellowish too?
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20:08 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #79: Manufacturing almost done, and Research bugfixes (master...master) https://git.io/v61Or
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20:08 < Istrebitel> okay, done
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20:08 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #80: Manufacturing almost done, and Research bugfixes v2 (master...master) https://git.io/v6141
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20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I think if you update the branch it'll update the pull request
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> no need to close/reopen
20:09 < SupSuper> yeah
20:09 < SupSuper> ~~magic~~
20:09 < Istrebitel> yes?
20:09 < Istrebitel> does it?
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> and maybe squash it into a single commit?
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> If there's only one 'logical' change
20:10 < Istrebitel> hmm, it does
20:10 < Istrebitel> how do I '
20:10 < Istrebitel> squash?
20:10 < SupSuper> a pull request is just a wrapper for a branch, it doesn't actually change git :p
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Any idea if the github client does that?
20:10 < SupSuper> don't look at me, i've never even done on the command line
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> If not, 'git rebase -i pmprog/master' will let you do the magic on cmdline
20:11 < Istrebitel> so i open git command from git client
20:11 < Istrebitel> and do that?
20:11 < SupSuper> apparently you can do it when accepting the pull request: https://help.github.com/articles/about-pull-request-merge-squashing/
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: cool :)
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: Generally, learning about rebase is really useful anyway
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> as you can modify previous commits in pretty much any way
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> merge/split/reorder/rename/change descriptions
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> but as it 'changes history' it's best not to do that after the changes are actually merged into the upstream repository :
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> but your own repository is exactly for those changes while you cleanup and stage it for push
20:13 < SupSuper> pfffff clean git histories, what is this, enterprise? :p
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: No, exactly the opposite
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Hence me wanting clean history :)
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> not full of 'merged the merge of the merged merge
20:14 < SupSuper> instead it's full of 'clang-format' polluting the blame :D
20:14 < Istrebitel> so I have to do the rebase then?
20:15 < Istrebitel> I've read about it and I don't think rebase actually squashes anything
20:15 < Istrebitel> it says it's just a different way of merging
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> you 'can' squash while rebasing
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> 'rebase -i' is the interactive rebase
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> where 'squash' is one of the options you can choose for each commit
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> what rebase normally does is instead of merging in the remote branch
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> It applies your local changes on top of the remote branch
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> If the diffs apply :)
20:17 < Istrebitel> are you sure I should type 'git rebase -i pmprog/master
20:17 < Istrebitel> not 'git rebase -i Istrebitel/master
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> depends what you want to rebase on top of
20:17 < Istrebitel> well I want to rebase my own thing right
20:17 < Istrebitel> before you merge?
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Rebase works against your currently checked out branch
20:18 < Istrebitel> I see now
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> the argument is the branch you want to rebase against, which would be the upstream pmprog version
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> But you don't need to
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> as we'll probably just squash the merge in github
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> which does pretty much the same thing :)
20:18 < SupSuper> it's a learning experience for all of us!
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> rebase is useful if you have a series of patches on top of an old version
20:18 < SupSuper> i'll let JonnyH`Work do it so he can tidy up the commit log :p
20:18 < Istrebitel> nope. didnt't do anything
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and you want to make it as if you made those changes on the new version instead
20:19 < Istrebitel> it said "successfully rebased and updated" but nothing changed
20:19 < Istrebitel> i still have 3 commits
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git rebase -i {branch|' should pop up a text editor
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> listing all the commits different from {branch}
20:20 < Istrebitel> okay it did
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> you replace 'pick' with the command you want to run on that commit
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> 'pick' just says 'use commit as normal' - so if everything is pick it's like a non-interactive rebase
20:21 < SupSuper> https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Tools-Rewriting-History
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> ^^ docs are always good
20:21 < Istrebitel> so I do squash,squash,pick and they get squashed into last one?
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> This is well into the advanced parts of git
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> It goes top->bottom
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> if I squash line2 it'll get merged into the commit on line1
20:22 < Istrebitel> so on line 1 i pick commit 3, on line 2 i squash commit 2 and on line 3 i squash commit 1?
20:22 < Istrebitel> if commit 3 is the lastest one
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> line3 will contain the newest commit, line1 the oldest
20:22 < Istrebitel> so squash,squash,pick then?
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> line1: 'pick' line2:'squash' line3:'squash'
20:23 < Istrebitel> but then i need to edit commit 1 to have text of commit 3/
20:23 < Istrebitel> ?
20:24 < Istrebitel> so it's edit squash squash?
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I think squash automatically appends the comments, but still gives you the opiton to change it
20:24 < Istrebitel> or rather reword
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> 'edit' is if you want to change code too
20:24 < Istrebitel> reword squash squash
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> 'reword' is just the checkin message
20:24 < Istrebitel> yep
20:24 < Istrebitel> so I do this:L
20:24 < Istrebitel> reword 909a443 t
20:24 < Istrebitel> squash 18c612d Applied CLang, fixed problems introduced with pull/merge
20:24 < Istrebitel> squash 73918fa Faster research list navigation, lab size now relevant, fixed unbuilt labs being usable
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> that should then push everything into a single commit
20:25 < Istrebitel> and it will ask me for new message?
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> and pop open an editor (likely notepad by default :) to change the message
20:25 < Istrebitel> erm how do i execute that?
20:25 < Istrebitel> it says the term reword is not recognized...
20:26 < Istrebitel> do I actually save the text file?
20:26 < Istrebitel> it opened?
20:27 < Istrebitel> because the text file gets deleted immediately after it's created
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20:27 < Istrebitel> and has a bogus name (most likely a temp name)
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a temp name
20:28 < Istrebitel> it says "successfully rebased and updated" 1 second after opening the text
20:28 < Istrebitel> in the cmd
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> when the editor is existed the contents of the temp file should be pulled in as the new message by git
20:28 < Istrebitel> and deletes the text file
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git log' should now have the updated commits?
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, single updated commit :)
20:28 < Istrebitel> no, it shows file with pick,pick,pick, immediately deletes it and rebases (basically doing nothing)
20:28 < Istrebitel> it doesn't wait
20:29 < Istrebitel> I'm using notepad++ for text file editing if that matters
20:30 < SupSuper> git on windows probably isn't configured for external editors
20:30 < Istrebitel> oh...
20:30 < Istrebitel> so I have to reassociate notepad with txt files now?
20:31 < SupSuper> well git specifically calls out to an editor in .gitconfig
20:31 < SupSuper> i dunno if github client does that for you
20:31 < SupSuper> because you won't have any of the stock linux command-line editors :p
20:31 < Istrebitel> where is gitconfig?
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> 'notepad.exe' is what opens on mine
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> with no changes to the config
20:32 < Istrebitel> well maybe notepad.exe is default editor?
20:36 < Istrebitel> well i changed git's default editor to notepad
20:36 < Istrebitel> it worked
20:36 < Istrebitel> now git desktop says I have merge conflicts and have introduced those <<<<<< HEAD and ===== into the files again
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe git desktop doesn't like rebasing...
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> If you go back to the cmdling
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> make sure it hasn't merged anything
20:39 < Istrebitel> how?
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> and 'git push -f' to get the github version to have exactly the same rewritten histroy
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git log' would show any merge commits
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> the latest commit should be your squashed one
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/git-rebase-screenrecord.mp4
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> is what I see when rebasing
20:40 < Istrebitel> yes latest commit is my squashed one
20:40 < Istrebitel> next is your "fix a couple of ..."
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, that's the latest pmprog/master
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> which is good
20:41 < Istrebitel> git push -f now?
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> that'll push it to wherever the default push for this branch it
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> It'll default to where you first pulled it from (IE your github fork)
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> the -f means 'force'
20:41 < Istrebitel> done
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> If you ever rewrite history you'll need that
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's dangerous if you don't *know* it'll remove any commits you've deleted/not got locally
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> So only ever do it to your own fork :)
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> And now your pull request only has a single commit! perfect :)
20:43 < Istrebitel> aaaand it somehow reverted to an older version
20:44 < Istrebitel> basically last commit is lost
20:44 < Istrebitel> 3rd one
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Interesting...
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, to undo everything you've just done
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> do 'git reflig'
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> reflog sorry
20:44 < Istrebitel> ok done
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Find the sha in the list referring to the commit just before your rebase
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> It should be commit: {whatever the message for the now missing 3rd commit is}
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git reset {the short sha at the beginning of that line}'
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> will bring you back to that state
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> As if you never rebased anything
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> This is really poking around the internals of git here :)
20:46 < Istrebitel> okay i'm back
20:46 < Istrebitel> at 3 commits
20:46 < Istrebitel> why did this happen?
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> No idea
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> You might need to reset the local files to the current revision
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git reset' only changes the git state, not the checked-out files
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> then try the rebase again?
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I can only assume the lost commit's line in the 'rebase' editor was accidently changed in some way?
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> So it no longer matched?
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Or it was in a bad state from the partial rebase/merge first time
20:48 < Istrebitel> okay how do i put that online
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git push -f' will make the github.com version match your local one
20:48 < Istrebitel> i mean, how do I revert what is located on the github site
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> So once you've locally reverted it
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git push -f' will do the same on github
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I think we'll survive with possible extra merge commits for now :)
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Much less effort by the sound of it...
20:50 < Istrebitel> okay i deleted local version, cloning again
20:50 < Istrebitel> now I will try rebase again
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> you shouldn't need to delete anything locally?
20:51 < Istrebitel> yes?
20:51 < Istrebitel> well i dont know the command
20:51 < Istrebitel> so i just did that
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Once you 'git reset {whatever}' it should throw away any state
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> And if you 'git push -f' to github that'll replace any versions on the github server
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> no 'git reflog' for the github copy :)
20:52 < Istrebitel> okay it forgot i've set notepad.exe as its editor
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> with a local version you can _always_ undo changes
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> The editor is probably stores in a local file .git/config in the repository then
20:55 < Istrebitel> eh
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: I just noticed, for whatever reason git-scm.com redirects me to the turkish version by default?
20:55 < Istrebitel> i did everything, then pressed sync, and it seems to have replaced local versioin with github version
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know what 'sync' actually does
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> A git pull and git push
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> *should* stop if there are differences that need merging
20:57 < Istrebitel> so i should do git push -f?
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> "git push -f" REPLACES whatever is on github with your current checked out version
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Only do that if you're sure the current local state is the one you want
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git log' - check the commits are what you expect
20:58 < Istrebitel> last time they were too but it was borked
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git status' - make sure you don't have any outstanding modifications not yet committed
20:59 < Istrebitel> well it seems last time
20:59 < Istrebitel> it ignored 3rd commit
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Something must have gone wrong
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> It doesn't just 'ignore' commits
20:59 < Istrebitel> it did only ask me to merge two commit's notes
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I can only assume the hash in the rebase command was accidently modified
20:59 < Istrebitel> now it asked me to merge 3 commit's notes
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> so it couldn't match anything?
21:00 < Istrebitel> hmm
21:00 < Istrebitel> maybe
21:00 < Istrebitel> anyway, works now
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> if you're sure it's right now
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> git push -f
21:00 < Istrebitel> I'll rebuilt and run
21:00 < Istrebitel> to see
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW if you login to travis-ci
21:00 < Istrebitel> but files seem to be in order
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> you can get automatic builds to test linux
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Same with appveyor and windows
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> there are config files in the git repository that set everything up right
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> You just need to login & enable the repository in the web interface for each
21:02 < Istrebitel> so do I get it correctly, I rebased against your branch so that only commits that were made by me were rebased?
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> yup, the argument to rebase isn't modified
21:02 < Istrebitel> it was used to find the point where branches split, and work from there on?
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> only things 'after' that are modified
21:02 < Istrebitel> I see
21:03 < Istrebitel> I always wondered, why make GUIs when you have to use terminal anyway...
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> The issue seems to be the GUI isn't really complete -_-
21:03 < Istrebitel> yep
21:03 < Istrebitel> and it doesn't even have help
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Which makes it more difficult switching between the two all the time
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> and they probably mess up each others' state
21:03 < Istrebitel> it says "do stuff in command line" without even hinting where to look for what excatly do I have to do in the command line
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> That's how you end up with git repositories full of bad merges
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> and half the messages are "Enter commit message here" :P
21:04 < Istrebitel> btw, can you multithread the building process?
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably?
21:04 < Istrebitel> in vs2015
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> msbuild /m?
21:04 < Istrebitel> it takes several minutes and it only uses 1 core
21:04 < Istrebitel> where do I se that?
21:04 < Istrebitel> set*
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> errm... no idea
21:06 < Istrebitel> it's set in the project property
21:06 < Istrebitel> so I can enable it but then it will be commited to the repo
21:06 < Istrebitel> should I do it?
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, make it the default for everythig thogh
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> all platforms/configs too
21:06 < Keise> should be /maxcpucount ?
21:07 < Istrebitel> done
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the max is a VS option?
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Not a per-project saved option?
21:07 < Istrebitel> how do I make it default?
21:08 < Istrebitel> do I not edit each project directly
21:08 < Istrebitel> but set it somewhere in the solution?
21:08 < Istrebitel> btw, it's working, so there's 1 commit now and it's a proper one
21:08 < Istrebitel> you can verify it and merge that pull
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> You also need to add the new files to the CMakeLists.txt
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> forthe linux build
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> though I can do that if you don't have a linux to test on :)
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> See: https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/istrebitel/research_manufacture
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll push a change that enabled the multiprocess stuff on msvc build
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Kinda surprised that's not the default these days
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21:24 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v61rQ
21:24 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ae52a39 Jonathan Hamilton: Enable multi-process build on MSVC
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21:27 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v61oE
21:27 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f3a8c45 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix signed/unsigned warning
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21:29 < SupSuper> btw JonnyH`Work i wonder if you could get travis and appveyor to actually point to pmprog/OpenApoc instead of JonnyH/OpenApoc
21:30 < SupSuper> so it would actually validate our changes :p
21:30 < SupSuper> and pull requests and etc
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> It only gives me the option of 'my' github repos
21:30 < SupSuper> aw
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> appveyor does though
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll enable that at least
21:31 < SupSuper> btw Istrebitel congrats on the PR, you definitely picked things up fast :)
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a bit of a trial by fire
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> To ask me about git or stuff like that was probably a mistake :P
21:32 < SupSuper> i use a gui like all sane people :P
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I /tried/ to use the gui to start with...
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/JonnyH/openapoc-f2fqb
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> is the pmpog appveyor
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Huh, apparnetly amd are moving in next door
21:38 < SupSuper> uh oh
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> They're moving from 'just down the road' though
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> So not really a massive shift :)
21:40 < SupSuper> they're out for your gl secrets
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> oh noes
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> They're a customer, so they can just look at their copy of stuff I guess?
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22:04 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4281bc4 Jonathan Hamilton: Make a number of Warnings Infos instead...
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22:05 < SupSuper> so what's the difference between a warning and an error :p
22:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Error is abort()
22:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Warning is 'something has kinda gone wrong, but we can still keep going'
22:12 < SupSuper> we kinda outgrew those: https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/src/Engine/Logger.h#L35
22:13 < SupSuper> based on how much the messages annoy users or developers :p
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe a 'LogDebug' under Info might be useful
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Disabled by default
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise people's openapoc_log.txt would get large in normal use :P
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> are there really any LOG_ERRORs that probably won't cause a fatal soon after?
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Or could be show in-game ('game load failed' or whatever)
22:16 < SupSuper> LOG_FATALs are basically anything crashy, i.e. things you can't predict
22:16 < SupSuper> while LOG_ERRORs are bad things that don't crash the game, just display a user-friendly error message or get worked around
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> like 1==2, cats living with dogs sort of things
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> LogAssert() is on top of LogError I guess? :P
22:17 < SupSuper> well an assert is basically fatal
22:18 < SupSuper> LOG_WARNING is kinda the odd one out, since it's for things that are kinda weird but not worth stopping over? like not being able to load options or a device conspiciously absent or something
22:20 < SupSuper> LOG_INFO was basically the "dev dump". but then users didn't wanna see the dev dump, so we added LOG_DEBUG. but then modders wanted to see the "dev dump", so we added LOG_VERBOSE. so those are kinda arbitrary :p
22:21 < SupSuper> honestly i think the severity system is kinda broken. it makes more sense to classify stuff in terms of "relevance"
22:22 < SupSuper> I'M A LOOSE CANNON
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, having like 'per-module' log streams makes sense
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Like I want to know about... "VEHICLES", or "BASE" or something :P
22:24 < SupSuper> right. for example users don't want all the stuff. in fact they'd rather have no stuff, stuff's scary. if something *does* go wrong, they just wanna know *what went wrong*
22:25 < SupSuper> everytime a user sends me a bug report they think everything in the log is a potential bad thing
22:25 < SupSuper> now modders, modders wanna *know stuff*, but only the stuff relevant to what *they* can change. the rest is meaningless
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> That's why I wanted a verification pass in the editor
22:27 < SupSuper> while devs, we wanna know *all the stuff*. but not all at once. specially if something goes wrong. we only wanna know what we're working on
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I already made it so if you use an StateREf<> that didn't go anywhere it would highlight it red
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> which I thought was fancy
22:27 < SupSuper> nice
22:27 < SupSuper> yeah the most common modder mistake is incorrect ids or filenames
22:28 < SupSuper> that's what i get for making them type by hand i guess :p
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Annoy people by using data files only differing by case
22:28 < SupSuper> god i don't think anyone's done that yet. though they do get the casing wrong a lot
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, as someone using linux, mods are always a bit of a crapshoot :)
22:31 < SupSuper> we have the same issue at work :p
22:31 < SupSuper> the dev environments are windows but the test environment is linux
22:33 < SupSuper> because no dev wants to do development on linux but no dev wants to do deployment on windows :p
22:50 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: so you gonna merge that PR or what? :p
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> is the weapon trail sprites doubling fixed?
22:52 < SupSuper> dunno, diffs always crash my browser :p
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> they are rather large :)
22:53 < SupSuper> i *think* they're fixed. the files aren't in the changelog anymore
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, LGTM then
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> https://travis-ci.org/JonnyH/OpenApoc/jobs/153691900
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> a few new warnings though we can fix them later
22:54 < SupSuper> at least it's no vs cast warnings, those are never getting fixed :p
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> One reason for that is I enabled 'MAXIMUM WARNINGS'
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> we could wind it down to 'only' level 2 or something
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> the default seems to be level 1 :P
22:57 < SupSuper> i'm pretty sure vs cast warnings always show since i get them in openxcom as well
22:57 < SupSuper> i could just find the particular compiler error code flag, but that reeks of effort
22:58 < SupSuper> clearly we need a round operator :p
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22:58 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #80: Manufacturing almost done, and Research bugfixes v2 (master...master) https://git.io/v6141
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23:29 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 7 new commits to master: https://git.io/v6172
23:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 62f077a Jonathan Hamilton: Add new aequipment/vammo files to cmake
23:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6737073 Jonathan Hamilton: Remove unnecessary LogWarning in serializeOut(ResearchTopic)
23:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master af7e6a9 Jonathan Hamilton: Don't build dependencies with lots of warnings...
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23:29 < SupSuper> slow day at work huh
23:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Just the odd few mins here and there
23:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Keep getting pulled into calls etc.
23:30 <@JonnyH`Work> with nothing to say and a laptop, so I just put it on mute and talk shit on irc
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Plus we've cracked open the beers now
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> So honestly...
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23:31 < SupSuper> friday woo!
23:32 <@JonnyH> I've never hated my job enough to one of those weirdly-happy-it's-friday people
23:37 < SupSuper> i think it's less hating your job more loving sleeping in
23:38 <@JonnyH> I've become a morning person
23:38 <@JonnyH> I don't like it...
23:38 <@JonnyH> It scares me
23:40 < SupSuper> *holds a cross* stay back, beast
23:41 <@JonnyH> If I'm not out and doing something by 9 on  a weekend
23:41 <@JonnyH> I may as well throw away the whole day
23:48 <@JonnyH> I'm off home, have a good evening
23:49 <@JonnyH> Or early morning? Whatever...
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05:50 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/v6MJx
05:50 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 71d6483 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix X11 headers #define 'None' breaking some enums...
05:50 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 09538fe Jonathan Hamilton: Add some more clang-tidy checks and fixes...
05:50 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 566d25a Jonathan Hamilton: Add all OpenApoc headers to clang-tidy filter...
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08:42 < Istrebitel> Hmm, why does it say I'm "ahead" 1 commit of master, if you merged my pull request?
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09:12 < Istrebitel> Oh ffs, now I have identical repos, however, mine is 2 commits ahead .... bonkers
09:13 < Istrebitel> Anyways
09:13 < Istrebitel> ---
09:13 < Istrebitel> I'd like to add pictures to research projects. That would require putting all research data into common_patch. Can I do that, or do I have to wait?
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12:07 < SupSuper> Istrebitel: you can put all the research entries but only add the "image" node and the other stuff will be normally extracted
12:07 < SupSuper> see for example how the base facilities add non-extracted data
12:07 < Istrebitel> so i just delete everything inside the <sp> right?
12:08 < Istrebitel> and only add my new key?
12:08 < SupSuper> right
12:08 < Istrebitel> thanks
12:08 < Istrebitel> btw, manufacturing nearly done (can manufacture multiple items, I am importing list of manufacture topics and then I'm 100% done)
12:08 < Istrebitel> what should I tackle next?
12:09 < Istrebitel> pictures? something else?
12:09 < SupSuper> you can go check the trello: https://trello.com/b/lX5Y3DwR/openapoc
12:09 < SupSuper> if anything suits your fancy, or even anything that's needed but not there
12:14 < SupSuper> or anything in the code that's looking kinda messy and needs improvement :p
12:14 < Istrebitel> erm... what is trello?
12:14 < Istrebitel> we're using like all sorts of things for communication
12:15 < Istrebitel> irc, slack, trello,....
12:15 < SupSuper> trello is just a task tracker
12:15 < SupSuper> so you can see who's doing what and what needs doing
12:15 < Istrebitel> it has... cards?
12:15 < SupSuper> a fancier TODO :p
12:15 < Istrebitel> what is a card?
12:15 < SupSuper> cards are tasks. it's very informal
12:16 < SupSuper> it's like having a board full of post-its
12:16 < SupSuper> oh yeah if anyone needs you can join the openapoc board through here: https://trello.com/invite/b/lX5Y3DwR/90c38b598c4c05024237814081bbb107/openapoc
12:25 < Istrebitel> do we extract agent inventory from exe?
12:25 < Istrebitel> or should I fill it myself?
12:25 < Istrebitel> I want to be able to manufacture these things so I need them
12:30 < SupSuper> i don't think anyone's implemented inventory yet
12:31 < Istrebitel> At the link I was provided it says "unknown" for all the fields, so I guess we don't even know the format?
12:33 < SupSuper> there's probably some info in j'ordos tool
12:33 < SupSuper> i'd suggest just having "items" for now and later look into extract their proper attributes, as they'd probably be a pain to write by hand
12:33 < Istrebitel> For me it's kinda easier to do it by hand.
12:34 < Istrebitel> But at the same time I could try to figure out how to get them out of the exe
12:34 < SupSuper> well whatever suits you, though there's probably a bunch of stuff not publically displayed
12:35 < SupSuper> but unless you're planning on implementing agent inventory as well (and battlescape?), you don't need all those attributes yet
12:36 < SupSuper> we don't even have soldier agents yet :p
12:37 < Istrebitel> well, I'd love to do battlescape, I'm just trying to start with small things first and learn everything
12:37 < Istrebitel> c++ is the weakest language I know :P
12:37 < SupSuper> if this is your weakest, i'd hate to see your strongest :P
12:38 < SupSuper> well you can look into just having general "items" and "storage" since i don't think anyone's done that yet. i haven't looked into how the vehicle equipment is handled
12:39 < SupSuper> and a lot of features depend on items
12:40 < Istrebitel> well I worked as a programmer for like 10 years and mostly we used C# (.Net), only had to use C and C++ for some low-level stuff (like codecs)
12:40 < Istrebitel> C# is so comfortable to use. C++ is like you have to be capitain obvious every time
12:41 < Istrebitel> like of course i'm not going to try to call a property of a pointer, why ask me to dereference? but I understand the language was built that way and will stay that way...
12:47 < SupSuper> couldn't agree more
12:47 < SupSuper> but C# had the advantage of foresight :p
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14:54 < Istrebitel> It appears that game re-orders entries inside the research topic list by alphabet
14:54 < Istrebitel> that should not happen, because entries are in a specific order in game, and there's a reason (it's grouped, craft followed by weapons followed by equipment etc.)
14:54 < SupSuper> yeah i think JonnyH`A1ay noted that at some point, it's probably using a ordered_map for ids somewhere? you'd have to ask him
14:56 < Istrebitel> it's using a map, therefore, not ordered
14:56 < SupSuper> in c++ you have map and unordered_map
14:58 < SupSuper> equivalent to TreeMap and HashMap :p (i forget what the c# equivalents are)
15:10 < Kaljakoppa> Mmm, JAVA
15:11 < SupSuper> i wonder why every language has to have its own names for basic data structures
15:13 < Istrebitel> well
15:13 < Istrebitel> I dunno if its ordered
15:14 < Istrebitel> ah
15:14 < Istrebitel> I see
15:14 < Istrebitel> in order to order the contents of map, I need unordered_map
15:14 < Istrebitel> lol
15:14 < Istrebitel> that's kinda... backwards?
15:14 < SupSuper> historical reasons :p
15:14 < Istrebitel> anyways, problem is, we need unordered_map for reearch
15:15 < SupSuper> originally c++ only had map and set, which are implicitly ordered
15:15 < SupSuper> until they realized that sucked, so in c++11 they added unordered_map and unordered_set
15:15 < Istrebitel> or.. maybe no problem, just change that and duplicate serialization functions for unordered stuff
15:16 < SupSuper> well we probably wanna keep the original ordering everywhere, so that ammo follows weapons and etc
15:16 < SupSuper> or add a "order position" property :p
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17:00 < JonnyH> std::map is ordered on operator< of the key
17:00 < JonnyH> IE alphabetical for strings
17:02 < JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/clang-tidy-fixes
17:02 < JonnyH> Lots of code renaming there :)
17:03 < JonnyH> I might merge that sooner rather than later
17:03 < JonnyH> as otherwise if people start branching it'll be a pain to merge...
17:05 < SupSuper> there goes my browser
17:05 < JonnyH> CamelCase classes
17:05 < JonnyH> camelBack methods
17:06 < JonnyH> I might just push it now... :)
17:06 < JonnyH> It's mostly autogenerated, so there might be some crazyness
17:06 < SupSuper> tab.fileName().cStr() does this compile?
17:07 < JonnyH> but it seems to generate the same code :)
17:07 < JonnyH> cStr() is in UString
17:07 < Istrebitel> JonnyH, may I change research to unordered_map?
17:07 < JonnyH> sure
17:08 < JonnyH> but then it'll be a different random order
17:08 < JonnyH> that does operator< on hash(key)
17:08 < JonnyH> If you want it strongly ordered you have to have a list-of-pairs or something
17:08 < JonnyH> and you can't lookup easily
17:08 < SupSuper> JonnyH: it just feels so wrong...
17:09 < SupSuper> as long as it compiles
17:09 < JonnyH> I went for CamelCase/camelBack as that seemed to be the most popular...
17:09 < SupSuper> yeah that seems fine. it's when we get to vars that it's gonna get messy :p
17:10 < JonnyH> yeah, as they seem to be most camelBack too
17:10 < JonnyH> and hopefully there won't be any conflicts...
17:13 < Istrebitel> erm
17:13 < Istrebitel> now I have lots of 		"The C++ Standard doesn't provide a hash for this type errors
17:13 < JonnyH> Yeah, presumably as the key is UString
17:13 < JonnyH> and that doesn't have hash defined?
17:13 < JonnyH> We could add one
17:13 < JonnyH> but it still won't order things how you want
17:13 < SupSuper> time to make our own map!
17:14 < Istrebitel> erm?
17:14 < JonnyH> If you want a 'custom' order with still-fast lookup
17:14 < Istrebitel> why won't it order them?
17:14 < Istrebitel> in the order they're filled?
17:14 < Istrebitel> isn't unordered_map supposed to do that?
17:14 < JonnyH> Istrebitel: It'll order them based on the numberical sort of the has of the key
17:14 < JonnyH> unordered_map is a hashmap
17:14 < JonnyH> If we still want 'fast' lookup (IE not scanning every member of a list)
17:15 < Istrebitel> erm... doesn't map already sort them based on key?
17:15 < Istrebitel> what's the point of unordered map then?
17:15 < JonnyH> Yup, map<> is sort(key)
17:15 < JonnyH> unordered_map<> is sort(hash(key))
17:15 < Istrebitel> oh...
17:15 < JonnyH> Lookup in a hashmap is o(1) (of good size, good hash)
17:16 < JonnyH> lookup in a map (it's a RBTree internally) log n
17:16 < Istrebitel> okay so we need another property then
17:16 < Istrebitel> to sort by
17:16 < JonnyH> It might be easier to add a number to the actual Research topic
17:16 < Istrebitel> yep
17:16 < JonnyH> copy to a local list
17:16 < JonnyH> and sort on that
17:17 < Istrebitel> can this : 	for (auto &r : state->research.topics)
17:17 < Istrebitel> be easilly changed to something with a sort function?
17:17 < JonnyH> We likely need to do something similar for the ufopaedia order..
17:17 < Istrebitel> or do we have to copy and sort?
17:18 < SupSuper> well you can always make a pair<order, id> key
17:18 < SupSuper> and sort based on order
17:18 < JonnyH> Copy the staterefs you actually want to show to a new container
17:18 < Istrebitel> I mean in C# you can supply a function that will sort
17:18 < Istrebitel> Is there something like htat in c++
17:18 < JonnyH> and call std::sort with a comparitor that looks at the research->order value (or whatever it is)
17:18 < JonnyH> Istrebitel: New container required in c++
17:18 < Istrebitel> we will be doing that every time we want to display a list of research topics?
17:19 < JonnyH> std::list<StateRef<ResearchTopic>> sorted_list;
17:19 < SupSuper> c++ sorts based on < operator since it has operator overloading
17:19 < JonnyH> for (auto &pair : state->research.topics) sorted_list.push_back(pair.second);
17:19 < JonnyH> SupSuper: std::sort also allows a Compare object
17:19 < SupSuper> ew unary_functions
17:20 < Istrebitel> is it faster maybe to create another map?
17:20 < Istrebitel> map <int,researchtopic>
17:21 < Istrebitel> where int is order?
17:21 < SupSuper> that's what i suggested
17:21 < Istrebitel> ah, no, we will need unique orders then
17:21 < JonnyH> std::sort(sorted_list.begin(), sorted_list.end(), [](StateRef<ResearchTopic> a, StateRef<ResearchTopic> b) { return a->order < b->order})
17:21 < SupSuper> have a <int, x> key which you < compare via int
17:21 < SupSuper> in openxcom we just have a list *and* a map, and use the map for lookups and list for iterating. it's kinda inelegant but we have some helper methods :p
17:22 < Istrebitel> I thought of that too
17:22 < Istrebitel> research list aint supposed to change its contents ever during gameplay
17:22 < JonnyH> Yeah, the only management of that required would probably be if we load mods that add/remove research
17:22 < JonnyH> and that's just one place
17:22 < JonnyH> so we can cope with a bit of complexity there
17:22 < Istrebitel> so we can just populate list after loading gamestate
17:23 < JonnyH> You probably actually want a std::map<ResearchCategory, std::map<int, StateRef<ResearchTopic>>
17:23 < JonnyH> as you 'first' want to sort by topic?
17:29 < JonnyH> Right, time to invalidate all your brances :)
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17:31 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v6Mz8
17:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 611c823 Jonathan Hamilton: CamelCase class/struct/enum types
17:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 53e673e Jonathan Hamilton: Methods should be camelBack()
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17:34 < Istrebitel> almost done
17:34 < Istrebitel> butit gives this
17:34 < Istrebitel> Severity	Code	Description	Project	File	Line	Suppression State
17:34 < Istrebitel> Error	C2664	'bool OpenApoc::ResearchState::updateTopicList::<lambda_1ca60b5d35491a64916a0650b0a8dbec>::operator ()(OpenApoc::StateRef<OpenApoc::ResearchTopic>,OpenApoc::StateRef<OpenApoc::ResearchTopic>) const': cannot convert argument 1 from 'std::shared_ptr<T>' to 'OpenApoc::StateRef<OpenApoc::ResearchTopic>'	gamestate	D:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 14.0\VC\include\list	1737	
17:35 < JonnyH> Oh, it's a sp<ResearchTopic> not StateRef<ResearchTopic> in that list :)
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17:39 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 98ecb23 Jonathan Hamilton: Add initial code style documentation...
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17:55 < Istrebitel> btw, can anyone help me with what happened today?
17:56 < Istrebitel> It said I'm  "1 ahead" of pmprog\master
17:56 < Istrebitel> despite you merging my pull request
17:56 < Istrebitel> I tried to update from master
17:56 < Istrebitel> it demanded me to fix merge conflicts
17:56 < Istrebitel> I did
17:56 < Istrebitel> now I'm 2 ahead of master, but the code is identical (well until your last commit that is)
17:56 < JonnyH> It's because it did a merge commit
17:56 < JonnyH> so the 'merge commit' is an extra commit, despite being no different code
17:57 < Istrebitel> so I did right?
17:57 < JonnyH> Sounds fine
17:57 < Istrebitel> what do I do with these 2 commits I'm ahead by?
17:57 < Istrebitel> squash them again?
17:57 < JonnyH> You can remove them with 'git reset pmprog/master'
17:57 < Istrebitel> what does that do?
17:57 < JonnyH> They're just you merging pmprog back into yours
17:58 < JonnyH> 'git reset' means throw away my current state and make it the same as the argument
17:58 < Istrebitel> I've done alot since then
17:58 < Istrebitel> a lot*
17:58 < JonnyH> Ok, so don't do that :)
17:58 < JonnyH> Just leave it, next pull request will sort that out
17:58 < Istrebitel> squahs again?
17:58 < JonnyH> 'empty' merge commits are quite common in git
17:59 < JonnyH> and it deals with them well, it's just a bit more noise in the log
18:02 < Istrebitel> okay, ordered manufacturing done and with ability to select quantity
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19:07 < Skin36_> hi
19:08 < JonnyH> hi Skin36_
19:08 < Skin36_> im adding on trello
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19:14 < Skin36> can u add me in team ?
19:15 < JonnyH> 'skin36' the user there too?
19:15 < Skin36> yes
19:16 < JonnyH> Right, I think you're added
19:16 < Skin36> kk
19:17 < SupSuper> this should also work: https://trello.com/invite/b/lX5Y3DwR/90c38b598c4c05024237814081bbb107/openapoc
19:17 < SupSuper> Istrebitel when are you joining trello? at the rate you work we'll never keep up :p
19:17 < Istrebitel> I will tomorrow
19:17 < Istrebitel> Have to run today
19:18 < SupSuper> alright
19:18 < Istrebitel> I have done sorted manufacturing and research
19:18 < Istrebitel> will make pull req tomorrow
19:28 < Skin36> JonnyH im find this algoritm for accuracy
19:28 < Skin36> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box–Muller_transform
19:29 < SupSuper> that's what we use in openxcom ;)
19:29 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-6tfn6TNoo/
19:29 < Skin36> cool
19:30 < SupSuper> https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/src/Engine/RNG.cpp#L115
19:30 < JonnyH> Makes sense
19:31 < JonnyH> If the previous xcom's code ain't broken...
19:31 < SupSuper> i don't know if this is *exactly* what original xcom did, but it seemed workable enough
19:32 < SupSuper> c++11 might have that built-in?
19:33 < JonnyH> it only has non-dimensional distributions
19:35 < JonnyH> TBH an independent x/y from a normal distribution would do about the same thing?
19:35 < SupSuper> oh apparently we don't use boxMuller anymore. we probably just reversed the original. well, we did at *some point* :p
19:36 < JonnyH> Leave the dead code there
19:36 < JonnyH> to confuse people trying to reverse engineer it for open open xcom
19:36 < SupSuper> well *i* didn't write it :)
19:39 < SupSuper> if you can make sense of it you can just peek here: https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/src/Battlescape/Projectile.cpp#L276
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21:03 < Pawlac> oh there is progress on the battlescape?
21:03 < JonnyH> nope
21:03 < JonnyH> I've been meaning to throw it at a Tileview, as it's pretty similar to the 'city' in many respects
21:04 < JonnyH> It'll look good without actually doing anything useful...
21:05 < SupSuper> just like the city :p
21:06 < JonnyH> Put planes in the battlescape! Pewpew!
21:13 < Pawlac> that would be actually gr8 tbh
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09:43 < Istrebitel> Okay, need help with git again
09:43 < Istrebitel> Online, I'm 3 commits ahead 3 commits behind pmprog/master.
09:43 < Istrebitel> However, github client doesn't show newest comimts to master and says "nothing to update"
09:43 < Istrebitel> Trying to rebase results in it first saying "warning  pmprog/master. is ambiguous" twice, and then, after I close notepad, it says "error cannot apply patch <name of my 1st commit>" and says "when you resolve it do rebase --continue" without actually telling me HOW to resolve it.
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14:51 < Istrebitel> okay, I did manage to finally get these 3 commits that I'm behind on, and merged them via update, but still rebase gives that error
14:55 < SupSuper> you toyed with git and git won
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17:06 < Istrebitel> So, do we know where tactical maps are located?
17:07 < SupSuper> maps folder
17:13 < Istrebitel> I guess we're not reading them yet?
17:15 < SupSuper> nope. i don't know what JonnyH`Away and Skin36 have unearthed. presumably they're not too different from cityscape maps
17:18 < Istrebitel> Is anyone else planning to work on battlescape?
17:20 < Skin36> I have not looked battlescape, but it seems very different maps
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17:28 < JonnyH> Hi
17:30 < JonnyH> yeah, the buillding maps are similar to the city
17:30 < Skin36> hi
17:30 < JonnyH> except in 'chunks', as specificed by the first 3 dwords in the building.day
17:30 < JonnyH> building.dat that is :)
17:31 < JonnyH> the number of 'chunks' in each map is specified in the .dst file as the first 3 dwords
17:31 < JonnyH> then the map indexes themselves as in the .sls, with 4 bytes  per entry
17:32 < JonnyH> I guess 4 different object types (floor, left wall, right wall, object) similar to previous xcoms
17:32 < JonnyH> I think the .sls files are some kind of line of sight database?
17:33 < JonnyH> and the sob are dropped object points
17:33 < JonnyH> I guess for spawning stuff like the psyclone in gang areas, maybe alien/xcom spawn points
17:34 < SupSuper> if it's anything like original x-com, you'll have route layers, lof 3d masks, and the actual tile sprites
17:35 < JonnyH> maybe packed into the .sls?
17:35 < JonnyH> for the route & lof
17:35 < JonnyH> nothing else seems large enough
17:35 < SupSuper> well lof are usually per tile. though since the maps are fixed, they could be per map?
17:36 < SupSuper> do the cityspace tiles have lof maps?
17:36 < JonnyH> Oh, they're part of the object description
17:36 < JonnyH> in mapunits/
17:36 < SupSuper> aha
17:36 < SupSuper> yeah the key is probably mapping all the tiles in the mapunits/ stuff to the respective map files
17:36 < JonnyH> cd map
17:37 < SupSuper> sometimes there are pcx's in there for some reason
17:37 < JonnyH> at least mapunits/ have decent file names :)
17:38 < JonnyH> so for example, senate/building.dat first 3 dwords are 24 24 5
17:38 < JonnyH> so each chunk is 24x24x5
17:39 < JonnyH> the first 3 dwords of senate/01sec01.sdt are 2 2 2
17:40 < JonnyH> so there are 2x2x2 chunks, so the whole map is 48x48x10
17:40 < JonnyH> so 23040 tiles, which is exactly the size of the .smp divided by 4
17:40 < JonnyH> so no space for anything extra in there AFICT
17:40 < JonnyH> the .sls file seems to change size though
17:41 < JonnyH> so maybe stuff like more/less routing nodes
17:42 < SupSuper> judging by the PCXs in maps\02POLICE\MAPUNITS, ANIMATE are any animated tiles (might link to their static versions in the other files?), FEATURE are tile objects, GROUND are floor tiles, LEFT is left-walls/doors and RIGHT is right-wall/doors
17:43 < SupSuper> the DATs probably define the tile attributes, and the S* are probably the damaged versions
17:43 < SupSuper> some maps have a STRATMAP but not all of them
17:45 < JonnyH> floor.pck and ground.pck are different?
17:45 < SupSuper> there's only ground.pck
17:45 < SupSuper> wait no senate has floor.pck and ground.pck. weeeeeeeeeird
17:45 < JonnyH> might be old files there to confuse us :P
17:46 < SupSuper> maybe, there's lots of inconsistencies between maps
17:46 < SupSuper> i wonder what the .USE files are for as they're just 0/1s
17:47 < JonnyH> strings of tacp.exe seems to suggest floor.pck isn't used in the ma
17:47 < JonnyH> only ground.pck
17:48 < JonnyH> tacdata/floot.ck is however
17:48 < JonnyH> ignoring my terrible typing
17:49 < JonnyH> but there is no tacdata/floor.pck.. only gfloor.. with no tab?
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20:18 < Istrebitel> Have to go now, so I'll just leave two questions here.
20:18 < Istrebitel> First: If anyone has any ideas why git refuses to cooperate again, please give em to me.
20:18 < Istrebitel> I am several commits ahead of pmprog/master
20:18 < Istrebitel> Trying to rebase results in it first saying "warning  pmprog/master. is ambiguous" twice, and then, after I close notepad, it says "error cannot apply patch <name of my 1st commit>" and says "when you resolve it do rebase --continue" without actually telling me HOW to resolve it.
20:21 < Istrebitel> Second: Assuming noone is actually doing tactical, I'd like to start doing it. I'm going to spend time tomorrow to draw a plan of what to do in what order, as this is quite a big task. Then start doing it bit by bit. Starting by studying the way tileview works right now and all the information about what files contain what tactical data (I've copied all the chat from above, will read tomorrow). Any help here would be appreciate
20:21 < Istrebitel> d.
20:25 < SupSuper> First: if all your changes are saved in pmprog/OpenApoc, i'd just dump your git repository and do a fresh clone
20:25 < SupSuper> basically https://xkcd.com/1597/
20:27 < SupSuper> Second: probably just worry about getting a static map to load and display correctly for now, that'll be a lot of work
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09:43 < Istrebitel> Unfortunately, no, my changes aren't
09:43 < Istrebitel> I have done some progress on manufacturing and research that is new
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14:17 < kkmic> I've noticed that the mouse cursor lags a bit on my machine
14:18 < kkmic> Is it possible to use a hardware mouse cursor?
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15:05 < JonnyH`Work> kkmic: not really
15:06 < JonnyH`Work> it does too many 'strange effects' (like highlighting boxes/animations) for the mouse cursor
15:06 < JonnyH`Work> so while we could use a hw cursor for stuff like the city
15:06 < JonnyH`Work> it'll change randomly, and sometimes lag, which may be more annoying than being consistent
15:06 < JonnyH`Work> The real question is why it's lagging :P
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17:32 < Istrebitel> JonnyH, could you please help me with git again?
17:32 < JonnyH`Work> sure?
17:35 < Istrebitel> well, it won't rebase
17:35 < Istrebitel> without telling me what to do, as I said before
17:36 < JonnyH`Work> what does 'git status' say?
17:39 < Istrebitel> Windows PowerShell
17:39 < Istrebitel> Copyright (C) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
17:39 < Istrebitel> WARNING: posh-git support for PowerShell 2.0 is deprecated; you have version
17:39 < Istrebitel> 2.0.
17:39 < Istrebitel> To download version 3.0, please visit
17:39 < Istrebitel> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=34595
17:39 < Istrebitel> For more information and to discuss this, please visit
17:39 < Istrebitel> https://github.com/dahlbyk/posh-git/issues/163
17:39 < Istrebitel> To suppress this warning, change your profile to include 'Import-Module
17:39 < Istrebitel> posh-git -Args $true'.
17:39 < Istrebitel> E:\Projects\GitHub\OpenApoc [master ?]> git status
17:39 < Istrebitel> On branch master
17:40 < JonnyH`Work> anything like "Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'."
17:40 < JonnyH`Work> ?
17:40 < Istrebitel> yes
17:40 < JonnyH`Work> so if you 'git log' the latest commit starts with 13f07cb?
17:41 < Istrebitel> yes
17:41 < JonnyH`Work> Right, so I can try to rebase the 'same' thing locally and see waht breaks
17:41 < JonnyH`Work> Probably easier than over irc :P
17:41 < Istrebitel> ok
17:42 < JonnyH`Work> lots of conflicts... :(
17:42 < Istrebitel> conflicts?
17:42 < JonnyH`Work> 	both modified:   game/state/gamestate_serialize.cpp
17:42 < JonnyH`Work> 	both modified:   game/state/research.cpp
17:42 < JonnyH`Work> 	both added:      game/state/rules/aequipment_rules.cpp
17:42 < JonnyH`Work> 	both added:      game/state/rules/aequipment_type.h
17:42 < JonnyH`Work> 	both added:      game/state/rules/vammo_rules.cpp
17:42 < JonnyH`Work> 	both added:      game/state/rules/vammo_type.h
17:42 < JonnyH`Work> 	both modified:   game/ui/base/researchscreen.cpp
17:42 < JonnyH`Work> 	both modified:   game/ui/base/researchselect.cpp
17:42 < JonnyH`Work> 	both modified:   game/ui/city/cityview.cpp
17:43 < Istrebitel> ah so you have to resolve everything again?
17:43 < JonnyH`Work> It looks like a commit was incorrectly not marked as a merge
17:43 < JonnyH`Work> so it doesn't think it's included a commit, so tries to re-apply it
17:43 < Istrebitel> well yes, you merged it but git didn't think so and said I'm 'behind" on my own commit
17:44 < Istrebitel> and then i merged my own commit back into my master when I updated
17:44 < JonnyH`Work> I'll try to base and merge against the last matching 'master' commit (98ecb23b156c1426c8907d633f10ec951b49c6a2)
17:49 < JonnyH`Work> Right, I reset back to that master commit
17:49 < JonnyH`Work> and I'm cherrypicking your fixes on top
17:49 < JonnyH`Work> (which is effectively what 'rebase' does
17:50 < JonnyH`Work> )
17:50 < JonnyH`Work> but I'm fixing the build errors/format before commiting the cherry-pick
17:50 < JonnyH`Work> so it should have a cleaner history
17:53 < JonnyH`Work> I also assume you didn't mean to commit screenshot.png and stuff like that :)
17:53 < JonnyH`Work> so I'll fix that too
18:12 < JonnyH`Work> hmm.. your latest commit
18:13 < JonnyH`Work> that adds the "any" research dependency to the large physics lab
18:13 < JonnyH`Work> doesn't work right due to a 'bug' in the serializeIn code
18:13 < JonnyH`Work> It ends up adding a 'new' dependnecy for any
18:13 < JonnyH`Work> leaving the 'all' one
18:13 < JonnyH`Work> when you actually want to replace it, right?
18:14 < JonnyH`Work> so I rebased everything
18:14 < JonnyH`Work> you can see the result here:
18:14 < JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/istrebitel/master-rebased
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18:14 < JonnyH`Work> You can reset your local branch to be the same with:
18:15 < JonnyH`Work> git remote add JonnyH https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc.git
18:15 < JonnyH`Work> git fetch JonnyH
18:15 < JonnyH`Work> git reset remotes/JonnyH/istrebitel/master-rebased
18:15 < Istrebitel> okay so
18:15 < Istrebitel> how did a screenshot get commited??? lol
18:16 < JonnyH`Work> if  you already have my gitub as a remote you can skip that step
18:16 < Istrebitel> ah I see
18:16 < Istrebitel> okay, so what do I need to do
18:16 < JonnyH`Work> and replace the 'fetch $NAME' and 'remotes/NAME/' with whatever name you gave it
18:17 < JonnyH`Work> the 3 git commands above should reset the 'current branc' in your repository to the new rebased one
18:18 < JonnyH`Work> so make sure you're on the branch you want when you start
18:18 < Istrebitel> okay I did it all, now I commit changes?
18:24 < JonnyH`Work> Update your github accordingly
18:24 < JonnyH`Work> 'git push -f'
18:25 < JonnyH`Work> and now you can work on top of that
18:25 < JonnyH`Work> and you should be able to merge in future pmprog/master changes cleanly
18:29 < Istrebitel> okay, but do I commi the changes?
18:29 < Istrebitel> I got 12 changes after I did that
18:29 < JonnyH`Work> So you've made more changes after the quantum lab one?
18:33 < JonnyH`Work> If so, they should 'git cherry-pick {SHA}' on top
18:33 < JonnyH`Work> If not, they should already be included :)
18:34 < SupSuper> this is the last time you're giving anyone git advice JonnyH`Work :p
18:34 < JonnyH`Work> He somehow managed to get a partial merge and commited it anyway...
18:34 < JonnyH`Work> So the next merge tried to pull in the same commits 'again'
18:34 < JonnyH`Work> Not sure how that's possible with the gui...
18:35 < JonnyH`Work> or the cmdline for that matter...
18:37 < JonnyH`Work> so it's probably better to 'reset to a known state and re-add commits on top'
18:42 < Istrebitel> I meant the changes you did
18:43 < Istrebitel> like, remove dependency, make LOFTEMPS caps
18:44 < JonnyH`Work> I'm not sure what you mean?
18:44 < Istrebitel> well, after I did what you said
18:44 < JonnyH`Work> loftemps shouldn't be caps?
18:44 < Istrebitel> I now have 12 changes
18:44 < JonnyH`Work> relative to what?
18:44 < Istrebitel> for example, in research xml
18:44 < Istrebitel> <entry>
18:44 < Istrebitel>                 <type>any</type>
18:44 < Istrebitel>                 <topics>
18:44 < Istrebitel>                   <entry>RESEARCH_ALIEN_CONTROL_SYSTEM</entry>
18:44 < Istrebitel>                   <entry>RESEARCH_ALIEN_ENERGY_SOURCE</entry>
18:44 < Istrebitel>                   <entry>RESEARCH_ALIEN_PROPULSION_SYSTEM</entry>
18:44 < Istrebitel>                 </topics>
18:44 < Istrebitel>               </entry>
18:44 < Istrebitel> is removed
18:44 < Istrebitel> in vehicle_types
18:44 < Istrebitel>  <entry>LOFTEMPS:xcom3/UFODATA/loftemps.DAT:xcom3/UFODATA/loftemps.TAB:121</entry>
18:44 < Istrebitel>               <entry>LOFTEMPS:xcom3/UFODATA/LOFTEMPS.DAT:xcom3/UFODATA/LOFTEMPS.TAB:121</entry>
18:45 < Istrebitel> lowercase changed to upper
18:45 < JonnyH`Work> the research change should be in 265e496537885e2c4946c3088a30dcb3c05ede7e
18:45 < Istrebitel> basically there's the output of the commands you gave me
18:46 < Istrebitel> Windows PowerShell
18:46 < Istrebitel> Copyright (C) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
18:46 < Istrebitel> WARNING: posh-git support for PowerShell 2.0 is deprecated; you have version
18:46 < Istrebitel> 2.0.
18:46 < Istrebitel> To download version 3.0, please visit
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18:46 < JonnyH`Work> Oh, the 'git reset' doesn't affect the currently checked out files
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18:46 < JonnyH`Work> To get them to match what git things they should be
18:46 < JonnyH`Work> do "git checkout '*'"
18:46 < JonnyH`Work> I thought you mean 12 commits
18:46 < JonnyH`Work> not 12 changed files :)
18:46 < Istrebitel> done
18:46 < Istrebitel> good, now there's no changes
18:47 < JonnyH`Work> ok, so now the top commit in git log
18:47 < JonnyH`Work> should be "265e496537885e2c4946c3088a30dcb3c05ede7e"
18:47 < Istrebitel> yes
18:47 < JonnyH`Work> so update your github to match
18:47 < JonnyH`Work> 'git push -f'
18:47 < JonnyH`Work> should do that
18:48 < Istrebitel> new changes popped out
18:48 < JonnyH`Work> ...what?
18:48 < Istrebitel> that loftemps thing again
18:48 < JonnyH`Work> git push shouldn't make any changes?
18:48 < Istrebitel> well I clicked sync as I always do
18:48 < JonnyH`Work> You're not 'git pull'ing are you?
18:48 < Istrebitel> maybe that was a mistake
18:48 < JonnyH`Work> Ooh, no, don't use sync for this
18:48 < Istrebitel> oh...
18:48 < JonnyH`Work> We're explicitly 'replacing' the github version
18:48 < JonnyH`Work> not adding to it
18:49 < Istrebitel> okay
18:49 < JonnyH`Work> as there was a bad merge in it
18:49 < JonnyH`Work> so make sure your head is still '265e496537885e2c4946c3088a30dcb3c05ede7e'
18:49 < Istrebitel> how do I undo the sync?
18:49 < JonnyH`Work> and you don't have any outstanding merge ('git status' will tell you if you have an outstanding merge)
18:50 < Istrebitel> do I just redo everything agian?
18:50 < JonnyH`Work> no need
18:50 < JonnyH`Work> if 'git log' still has that commit on top
18:50 < JonnyH`Work> it hasn't damaged anything
18:51 < Istrebitel> it has
18:51 < Istrebitel> btw how to exit log
18:51 < Istrebitel> ?
18:51 < JonnyH`Work> 'q'?
18:51 < Istrebitel> it keeps popping more and more text
18:51 < Istrebitel> status has
18:51 < Istrebitel> you have unmerged pathx.
18:51 < Istrebitel> paths*
18:51 < JonnyH`Work> right, type 'git merge --abort'
18:52 < Istrebitel> ok
18:52 < Istrebitel> now it says they "have diverged and have 3 and 8 commits each"
18:52 < Istrebitel> but no merges it seems
18:52 < JonnyH`Work> Yup, that makes sense
18:52 < JonnyH`Work> as I 'squashed' 8 commits into 'only '3
18:52 < JonnyH`Work> 'git push -f' now :)
18:52 < Istrebitel> ok done
18:53 < JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/Istrebitel/OpenApoc/commits/master
18:53 < JonnyH`Work> your github master branch looks good now
18:53 < Istrebitel> yes
18:53 < Istrebitel> 3 commits
18:53 < JonnyH`Work> So you can continue working on master now
18:53 < JonnyH`Work> and it'll have a clean historty
18:53 < Istrebitel> can I make pull request now?
18:53 < JonnyH`Work> yup
18:53 < Istrebitel> I finished manufacturing and stuff
18:53 < JonnyH`Work> it should merge cleanly
18:54 < Istrebitel> okay
18:54 < Istrebitel> and before you fixed this
18:54 < Istrebitel> I made another branch
18:54 < Istrebitel> for battlescape
18:54 < JonnyH`Work> 'battlescape'?
18:54 < Istrebitel> and done some work there
18:54 < Istrebitel> how do I now push this there?
18:54 < JonnyH`Work> It probably makes sense to reset that branch 'back' to the same as your new master
18:54 < JonnyH`Work> then cherry-pick your new work on top of that
18:54 < JonnyH`Work> That will make it look you started from your 'new' master in the first place
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18:55 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #81: Manufacturing done, basescape link to ufopaedia, ordered ResearchTopics (master...master) https://git.io/v6Sly
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18:55 < Istrebitel> so I manually copy files over, then delete it, then make it again?
18:55 < JonnyH`Work> no
18:55 < JonnyH`Work> 'git checkout battlescape'
18:55 < JonnyH`Work> 'git reset master'
18:55 < JonnyH`Work> 'git cherry-pick 3b0df66b57971ce9067bd5edd0ebe607f8853635'
18:55 < Istrebitel> what does reset master do?
18:55 < JonnyH`Work> should bring it up to date with your new master
18:56 < JonnyH`Work> then re-adds your "Test Battlescape In progress "commit
18:56 < JonnyH`Work> 'git reset $BRANCH' makes the current branch EXACTLY the same as $BRANCH
18:56 < JonnyH`Work> so it's effectivey reverting any changes made on the 'battlescape' branch
18:57 < JonnyH`Work> changing it to the new master
18:57 < JonnyH`Work> then the cherry-pick re-adds your battlescape change on top
18:57 < Istrebitel> refresh it please
18:57 < Istrebitel> I forgot to push something
18:57 < Istrebitel> erm.. if it "makes it exactly" then where are the commits stored that we cherrypick?
18:57 < JonnyH`Work> right, that just means add an extra
18:57 < JonnyH`Work> 'git cherry-pick f1fe89f77211e29ccf7b8ca3923f4a105d9632cc' after the first cherry-pick
18:58 < JonnyH`Work> git never removes commits
18:58 < JonnyH`Work> even if they're no longer on a branch
18:58 < JonnyH`Work> if you remember/record the sha you can ALWAYS get it back
18:58 < Istrebitel> sorry I am really confused by this, I'm used to microsoft's team foundation, it's way easier to use
18:58 < JonnyH`Work> probably :P
18:58 < Istrebitel> okay so
18:59 < JonnyH`Work> Distributed version control like git is pretty complex to get your head around
18:59 < JonnyH`Work> but often worth it in the end
18:59 < Istrebitel> oh... more errors
18:59 < JonnyH`Work> ?
19:00 < JonnyH`Work> If the cherry-pick failed due to merge conflicts
19:00 < JonnyH`Work> you should fix them
19:00 < JonnyH`Work> then 'git add' the changed files
19:00 < JonnyH`Work> then 'git cherry-pick --continue' tells git the conflicts have been fixed
19:00 < Istrebitel> E:\Projects\GitHub\OpenApoc [battlescape ¦ +5 ~19 -0 !]> git cherry-pick 3b0df66
19:00 < Istrebitel> b57971ce9067bd5edd0ebe607f8853635
19:00 < Istrebitel> error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by merge:
19:00 < Istrebitel>         game/state/gamestate.h
19:00 < Istrebitel>         game/state/gamestate.vcxproj
19:00 < Istrebitel>         game/state/gamestate.vcxproj.filters
19:00 < Istrebitel>         tools/extractor.vcxproj
19:00 < Istrebitel>         tools/extractor.vcxproj.filters
19:00 < Istrebitel>         tools/extractors/extractors.cpp
19:00 < Istrebitel>         tools/extractors/extractors.h
19:00 < Istrebitel> Please commit your changes or stash them before you can merge.
19:00 < Istrebitel> error: The following untracked working tree files would be overwritten by merge:
19:00 < JonnyH`Work> 'git checkout '
19:00 < JonnyH`Work> ...git checkout '*'
19:01 < Istrebitel> ok
19:01 < JonnyH`Work> that is because 'git reset' only changes the 'internal git state'
19:01 < JonnyH`Work> not the copy of the files in the actual directory
19:02 < Istrebitel> and now cherrypick?
19:02 < JonnyH`Work> yup
19:02 < JonnyH`Work> try to cherry-pick the first one
19:02 < Istrebitel> E:\Projects\GitHub\OpenApoc [battlescape ¦ +5 ~0 -0 !]> git cherry-pick 3b0df66b
19:02 < Istrebitel> 57971ce9067bd5edd0ebe607f8853635
19:02 < Istrebitel> error: The following untracked working tree files would be overwritten by merge:
19:02 < Istrebitel>         game/state/battle.cpp
19:02 < Istrebitel>         game/state/battle.h
19:02 < Istrebitel>         tools/extract_battlescape_map.cpp
19:02 < Istrebitel> Please move or remove them before you can merge.
19:02 < Istrebitel> Aborting
19:02 < Istrebitel> E:\Projects\GitHub\OpenApoc [battlescape ¦ +5 ~0 -0 !]>
19:02 < Istrebitel> delete them?
19:02 < JonnyH`Work> oh, remove those files
19:02 < JonnyH`Work> yup, just delete them
19:03 < JonnyH`Work> they files will end up being 'exactly' the same
19:03 < JonnyH`Work> but git doesn't know that, and tries to play it safe by just aborting
19:03 < Istrebitel> oklay first cherrypick worked
19:03 < JonnyH`Work> right, try the second
19:04 < Istrebitel> second again wants me to delete stuff
19:04 < JonnyH`Work> same reason
19:04 < JonnyH`Work> if you added files
19:04 < JonnyH`Work> the 'git reset' won't delete them automatically
19:04 < Istrebitel> okay worked
19:04 < Istrebitel> that's it?
19:04 < JonnyH`Work> right
19:04 < JonnyH`Work> check 'git log'
19:04 < JonnyH`Work> make sure you're not missing any commits
19:04 < Istrebitel> git log
19:04 < JonnyH`Work> and then 'git push -f'
19:04 < Istrebitel> oops
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19:04 < JonnyH`Work> ..oops?
19:05 < Istrebitel> it has 2 commits followed by 265e4....
19:05 < Istrebitel> i typed here instead of git window
19:05 < Istrebitel> I think it's correct right?
19:05 < JonnyH`Work> I guess so?
19:05 < JonnyH`Work> the sha will change when you cherry-pick
19:05 < JonnyH`Work> as the 'parent' is part of the hash
19:06 < JonnyH`Work> so a different parent causes a different hash value
19:06 < Istrebitel> phew
19:06 < Istrebitel> I guess it's done
19:06 < Istrebitel> wonderful
19:06 < JonnyH`Work> so 'git push -f'
19:06 < Istrebitel> Yep, worked
19:06 < JonnyH`Work> and again, that should merge cleaning into pmprog/master
19:06 < JonnyH`Work> or from pmprog/master if we make more changes to that
19:06 < Istrebitel> Now, proper question, do we know where voxelmaps or anything of that sort is located for battlescape?
19:07 < Istrebitel> like scenery tiles for cityscape?
19:07 < JonnyH`Work> I believe it'll be in the mapunits/floor.day for floor tiles
19:07 < JonnyH`Work> left/right/ground.dat for their tiles too
19:08 < Istrebitel> like, we know where the indexes to sprites are located, (ground wall scenery) but where is the info about how tough the wall is, or how tall the scenery is
19:08 < Istrebitel> do we know the format?
19:08 < JonnyH`Work> but I haven't looked in them to figure out the firmat
19:08 < JonnyH`Work> sorry, it's not ground.dat
19:08 < JonnyH`Work> but grounmap.dat
19:08 < JonnyH`Work> and leftmap etc.
19:09 < Istrebitel> any ideas how to decode the format?
19:09 < Istrebitel> I mean, is there any reversed code, or maybe something of sorts?
19:10 < JonnyH`Work> not that I know of?
19:10 < JonnyH`Work> Maybe some map editors/jordos' tools have something?
19:10 < JonnyH`Work> I can have a look this evening
19:10 < JonnyH`Work> but it's kinda hard to describe reverse-engineering flow
19:10 < Istrebitel> thanks!
19:10 < JonnyH`Work> as if often relies on some magic insight :P
19:10 < Istrebitel> and thanks alot for help with git...
19:10 < JonnyH`Work> brb lunch :)
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20:10 < JonnyH`Work> git is fun isn't it :P
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20:49 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/v6SPK
20:49 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 554e3f4 IstrebiteI: Manufacturing finished, ordered ResearchTopics, links to Ufopaedia articles...
20:49 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ea2da11 IstrebiteI: Right-clicking facilities in basescape shows proper ufopaedia entry
20:49 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 265e496 IstrebiteI: Proper requirements for adv quantum phys lab...
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21:20 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/v6S96
21:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6ef7346 Jonathan Hamilton: Remove deprecated renderers...
21:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2ca4fc2 Jonathan Hamilton: Remove some 'old' OPENAPOC_GLES code...
21:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master aec0ab8 Jonathan Hamilton: Remove deprecated renderers from msvc build
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22:16 < Think> Congrats on making a lot of awesome progress guys!
22:18 < JonnyH`Work> :D
22:18 < JonnyH`Work> Thanks Istrebitel for doing a lot of the real work :)
22:21 < Think> Well, you two have been doing a lot these last few days
22:21 < Think> Any updates?
22:22 < JonnyH`Work> manufacturing works now?
22:22 < Think> Awesome, that sounds wonderful!
22:22 < JonnyH`Work> the ticker at the bottom of the city now can scroll text?
22:23 < JonnyH`Work> You can now have more than one module of each type in the initial base layout
22:24 < JonnyH`Work> UFOs now spawn and wobble around beaming into buildings every now and then
22:24 < Think> This code is a very hard nut to crack, huh?
22:24 < JonnyH`Work> we have a proper save/load screen
22:24 < Think> Apocalypse always had so many unknown numbers and unknown stuff whenever I was sifting through it
22:24 < Think> Great!
22:24 < SupSuper> apocalypse certainly hasn't drawn as many obsessive fanboys as ufo did :p
22:24 < JonnyH`Work> it also had a lot of unknown numbers that weren't actually used for anything too :P
22:25 < JonnyH`Work> like half-implemented building income/purchasing companies
22:25 < Think> Yeah, well that's what happens when you run out of money to produce the game
22:25 < Think> I only hope that one day I could mod it to bring back all those half-baked features
22:26 < Think> Like VIP capturing, assassination
22:26 < Think> Or diplomacy
22:26 < JonnyH`Work> Assuming these half-baked features actually add to the game :P
22:26 < Think> True
22:26 < Think> But I think they would
22:26 < JonnyH`Work> more features != better game
22:26 < Think> Diplomacy in its small scope already adds onto the game in a great many ways
22:26 < Think> I agree entirely
22:26 < JonnyH`Work> but then again adding the flexibility to re-enable stuff like that for use in mods would be damned useful
22:26 < Think> Sometimes simplicity is key.
22:27 < Think> Sure would.
22:27 < Think> But that would be a tricky thing to pull off
22:27 < JonnyH`Work> DOOM should totally have base management and a macro economics game
22:27 < JonnyH`Work>  /s
22:28 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: if there's anything that XPiratez has proven is that people only care about more and more features even if they're a nonsensical clusterfuck :p
22:28 < JonnyH`Work> oh, and blimp-titted anime girls
22:28 < SupSuper> well i think the internet figured that out first
22:28 < Think> True
22:29 < SupSuper> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO:_Enemy_Unknown#/media/File:OpenXcom_XPiratez_097D.jpg thanks wikipedia
22:30 < Think> X-Piratez does have its strengths though.
22:30 < Think> It allows for a lot of customization for the user
22:30 < Think> And I think Apocalypse would benefit from some more depth on certain aspects
22:30 < Think> Such as diplomacy.
22:31 < JonnyH`Work> I don't really like it when 'sexy posed nekkid girlz' appear for literally no reason
22:31 < JonnyH`Work> it doesn't really mesh, and seems at best pandering to a specific audience
22:31 < Think> I agree with that, I would at the very least feel like there is some context there
22:31 < Think> like*
22:32 < SupSuper> well when you're sourcing from the internet you're not gonna get a lot of "context-appropriate imagery"
22:32 < Think> The gameplay, both strategic and tactical is very enjoyable, but the research screens can be cringey.
22:32 < JonnyH`Work> Yeah, it adds nothing
22:32 < Think> True, but at the very least create some context for the exaggerated images
22:32 < SupSuper> i'm more shocked 256 colors don't completely destroy them :p
22:32 < JonnyH`Work> not even a 'Their Culture Is Different' thingie
22:33 < Think> Context like maybe "Oh they are scavengers and cannot afford clothes"
22:33 < Think> or something
22:33 < JonnyH`Work> It's literally just "Here's some titties. No reason. No context"
22:33 < Think> Just something would help a little, and toning down the amount of it too
22:33 < JonnyH`Work> And do you really think all post-apocalyptic wasteland livers would be playboy centerfold lookalikes?
22:33 < JonnyH`Work> They could have rubbed it into the player's face it's not a great time to be alive
22:34 < Think> I am almost tempted to try my hand at a less absurd graphical mod
22:34 < Think> Just replacing all of those out of place research screens with something more fitting
22:34 < Think> Wouldn't be too hard
22:34 < JonnyH`Work> Badly mspaint-ed cloathes
22:35 < JonnyH`Work> SFWPorn style
22:35 < Think> Just tedious
22:35 < Think> I am actually fine with the character outfits for the most part, but that is all relative
22:37 < Think> Nothing against the creator though, I think X-Piratez minus some of the graphical assets is a wonderful expansion to the original game
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22:38 < JonnyH`Work> NEver really played it...
22:38 < JonnyH`Work> I should probably finish the original ufo first
22:38 < SupSuper> probably
22:39 < SupSuper> and tftd just in case :p
22:40 < Think> X-Piratez is dangerously addictive once you get into it, but it also suffers from some long periods of time between researchable objects (sometimes you have too much, sometimes too little)
22:40 < JonnyH`Work> like apoc then :P
22:40 < JonnyH`Work> If you want to speed-run it it's worth it to not clean all aliens at the game start until you have a bio-trans module
22:41 < JonnyH`Work> to get the toxiguns a couple of days earlier
22:41 < JonnyH`Work> and your physics guts just sit in their thumbs until week2
22:41 < JonnyH`Work> then it's a mad rush as ufos/disruptors spawn
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22:42 < SupSuper> either way you spend a really slow early game
22:42 < SupSuper> until finally you're allowed to have all the fun stuff
22:42 < JonnyH`Work> week1 is probably like the tutorial :P
22:43 < SupSuper> i guess they didn't want the ufo "just research heavy plasma" strat
22:43 < SupSuper> so instead there's 999 useless human weapons and a few really good alien ones
22:43 < JonnyH`Work> and silly things like dual pistols being one of the best weapons in the game
22:44 < JonnyH`Work> and of course toxiguns :)
22:44 < SupSuper> the more you can spam it the better it is
22:44 < SupSuper> ~~real-time bitch~~
22:44 < JonnyH`Work> pistols are more accurate, better range, more power, better dps
22:44 < JonnyH`Work> than machine guns
22:44 < JonnyH`Work> and you can dual-wield them for spam
22:44 < JonnyH`Work> literally the only limiting factor is the way there's 4 clips in the whole city
22:45 < JonnyH`Work> It's like the joke of soviet russia
22:45 < JonnyH`Work> more rifles than clips
22:45 < SupSuper> do you start with any ammoless weapons? i forget
22:45 < SupSuper> besides the vehicle stuff. hoverbike laser swarms for life
22:45 < JonnyH`Work> just the stun grapple IIRC
22:46 < JonnyH`Work> which is pretty useful anyway :)
22:46 < JonnyH`Work> stun grapple + pistol = early game win
22:46 < JonnyH`Work> as the only things that can really do any damage are close range
22:46 < JonnyH`Work> and then you get toxiguns...
22:46 < SupSuper> too bad the starting equipment is all randomized human weapons and there's no auto-equip
22:46 < SupSuper> well, that and grenade spam. grenade spam never changes :p
22:47 < JonnyH`Work> ko-grenade spam
22:47 < JonnyH`Work> useful for displacing smoke, putting out fires
22:47 < JonnyH`Work> not destroying the city...
22:47 < SupSuper> specially since it's a lot less research-dangerous in apoc
22:47 < Think> I always felt the Machine gun in Apocalypse was always really fun
22:47 < SupSuper> hey destroying the city is the whole point :p
22:47 < JonnyH`Work> dual pistols > machine gun in every way
22:47 < JonnyH`Work> except limited ammo on the market :P
22:47 < Think> Oh! And I also made a mod in Apocalypse the changed the 40mm Gatling gun, remember that guy?
22:47 < SupSuper> ah yes the gatling gun, world's least accurate thing
22:48 < Think> Dual pistols are actually less accurate, and still aren't as good for suppression IMO
22:48 < SupSuper> spray and pray
22:48 < Think> The mod made the Gatling gun have 30% accuracy, but 1 ROF which made it fire about 20 rounds a second
22:48 < Think> So it would just spray the entire UFO
22:48 < Think> usually it ran out of ammo before it could kill larger ships
22:48 < JonnyH`Work> 18 rps
22:49 < JonnyH`Work> the lawpistol actually has a higher accuracy stat
22:49 < Think> It does, but not when dual wielded
22:49 < SupSuper> judge dredd style
22:49 < Think> Accuracy drops significantly
22:49 < JonnyH`Work> IIRC not much as it's marked one-handed
22:49 < Think> *BOOM*
22:53 < Think> Not as much
22:53 < Think> But still it drops a good amountr
22:53 < Think> Amount*
22:53 < Think> I changed the Lawpistol into a different weapon in my mod
22:54 < Think> I changed most guns actually
22:54 < Think> the Machine Gun fired faster, the Sniper was more powerful but took longer to aim
22:54 < Think> the Lawpistol got a new model and was made into a Sub-Machine gun (less ROF, but lighter, more powerful and more accurate)
22:55 < Think> the Stun gun was made into a Stun Gas Grenade launcher
22:55 < JonnyH`Work> and hopefully replacing/adding weapons is easier if it's just an xml file that's loaded at runtime
22:55 < Think> And some other neat things that I cannot remember.
22:55 < JonnyH`Work> instead of hacking random binary files
22:55 < Think> Yeah, it wasn't very user friendly doing all that stuff
22:55 < Think> Hopefully modding will be easier, as that is what will help keep OpenApocalypse alive.
22:56 < Think> Or at least, it is what's keeping OpenXcom alive.
22:56 < SupSuper> it is? i thought it was anime titties
22:56 < JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Exactly, modding in amime boobs
22:56 < SupSuper> we should just make it built-in
22:57 < Think> Yeah, a default mod
22:57 < JonnyH`Work> 'Bewb-mode'
22:57 < SupSuper> options > advanced > anime ON
22:57 < JonnyH`Work> as a default mod
22:57 < Think> Like those "Skyranger can have a gun" mods
22:57 < Think> Precisely
22:57 < SupSuper> either way let's never forget the proest of strats: http://i.imgur.com/x0BNqcC.gif
22:57 < JonnyH`Work> Doubles eye-size
22:57 < JonnyH`Work> and gives everything tits
22:57 < Think> And all of the death and sound noises need to come from Anime
22:57 < JonnyH`Work> Even reapers
22:57 < JonnyH`Work> somehow...
22:58 < Think> Disruptors for days
22:59 < SupSuper> this is also good: https://www.reddit.com/r/Xcom/comments/25uftw/my_girlfriend_explains_xcom_apocalypse_in_one/
23:00 < JonnyH`Work> I'm still surprised by all the people whining about how 'you have to restock ammo by hand!'
23:01 < SupSuper> well even ufo did it automatically...
23:01 < JonnyH`Work> so does apoc
23:01 < JonnyH`Work> Just takes 5 mins :P
23:01 < Think> True, that could have been implemented but it is fine for the most part
23:01 < SupSuper> everyone starts off empty though which blows
23:01 < SupSuper> "you can select multiple soldiers by using control I believe. This duplicates what items you give them, providing you have the inventory of course." sweet mother of god
23:01 < JonnyH`Work> everyone starts out with a crappy 'default'
23:02 < JonnyH`Work> If they started empty it's be easier with the ctrl-select
23:02 < SupSuper> new hires start empty. not even armor. gotta draw all those individual pieces every time
23:02 < SupSuper> *draw = drag
23:05 < JonnyH`Work> so.. what *should* I be doing, openapoc wise?
23:05 < JonnyH`Work> Start digging through the battlescape tile data?
23:06 < SupSuper> agent stuff?
23:07 < SupSuper> uhhhh... ground vehicles? :p
23:09 < SupSuper> maybe i should poke at those at some point so i can actually claim credit for working on something actually gameplayish
23:10 < SupSuper> they're just air vehicles on rails right???
23:10 < JonnyH`Work> I guess?
23:10 < JonnyH`Work> Can't go up?
23:10 < JonnyH`Work> Can't turnaround unless the junction flag is set?
23:10 < JonnyH`Work> Must be on the 'correct' side of the road?
23:10 < JonnyH`Work> Adding a 'canEnterTile' helper that encodes that would probably mean you can re-use the current pathing
23:10 < SupSuper> all that and the essential function: if (sneeze) vehicle->selfDestruct()
23:11 < JonnyH`Work> if (wet fart) bridge->collapse()
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23:11 < JonnyH`Work> while (true) vehicle->shootAtGroundHittingOwnRoad()
23:12 < JonnyH`Work> the road-side stuff might be intrresting
23:12 < JonnyH`Work> as the 'target' position of the vehicle depends on the direction
23:12 < SupSuper> isn't it just a sprite offset? :p
23:13 < JonnyH`Work> Probably
23:13 < JonnyH`Work> but the origin for bullets/selection/voxel hitmask are offset too
23:13 < JonnyH`Work> And you can't driver over a vehicle on the same road direciton
23:13 < JonnyH`Work> but you can pass going the other way on the same tile
23:14 < SupSuper> do traffic jams ever occur?
23:14 < JonnyH`Work> Yup :P
23:14 < SupSuper> interesting
23:14 < JonnyH`Work> Normally due to damaged roads screwing with pathing
23:14 < JonnyH`Work> or a t-junction when there are enough things going past and they can't get a chance to turn
23:15 < JonnyH`Work> normally there aren't enough vehicles around to really do much though
23:15 < Think> Can you imagine how much hype people would generate if they saw actual combat in OpenApoc? It would cause some heart attacks
23:15 < JonnyH`Work> what do you mean actual combat?
23:16 < Think> Well, are you able to engage in gameplay tactical combat?
23:16 < JonnyH`Work> Maybe I should make it so aircraft can actually hit stuff :P
23:16 < JonnyH`Work> the battlescape? YEAh :P
23:16 < Think> Oh
23:16 < Think> then I retract my previous comment
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17:09 < JonnyH`Work> BTW this is what  I know about the tactical map so far?
17:09 < JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/extract-battlemap/tools/extractors/common/mapunits.h
17:09 < JonnyH`Work> those 40 'mapunits' indices look about right
17:10 < JonnyH`Work> for example the senate 'right' tile '1' - image http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/maps/01senate/mapunits/right.pck/tactical.pal/1.png
17:10 < JonnyH`Work> has 0x10 in those 40 values
17:11 < JonnyH`Work> which corresponds to this loftemps: http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/tacdata/loftemps/tacdata-loftemps/16.png
17:11 < JonnyH`Work> which looks right for a wall like that :)
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17:26 < Skin36> tactical map ?  Why such a hurry?
17:27 < JonnyH`Work> Not really a rush
17:27 < JonnyH`Work> but now we have more people helping
17:28 < JonnyH`Work> it makes sense to spread ourselves wider
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18:18 < JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper
18:18 < SupSuper> hey
18:21 < JonnyH`Work> do you know how tall the loftemps stacks are for the battlescape in openxcom?
18:21 < JonnyH`Work> I think the ones in apoc are 40
18:22 < JonnyH`Work> compared to 16 in the city?
18:23 < SupSuper> 24 iirc
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23:30 < Think> There is activity in here!
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15:45 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v650a
15:45 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e42215d Jonathan Hamilton: Screenshot.png got added again....
15:45 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 63463e8 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix clang-format typo...
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15:50 < Kaljakoppa> Progress video!!
15:50 < JonnyH> where? :O
15:50 < Kaljakoppa> Even Bannerlord updated their progress
15:51 < Kaljakoppa> That was a demand :)
15:51 < JonnyH> I know :P
15:51 < JonnyH> One can hope...
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15:54 < Kaljakoppa> I looked in GIT that you have gained millions of LOC
15:54 < Kaljakoppa> That has to mean a feature or two
15:54 < JonnyH`Work> I doubt it's millions of Loc
15:54 < JonnyH`Work> Maybe millions of lines of autogenerated xml files :P
15:55 < Kaljakoppa> That yeah, UI code?
15:55 < JonnyH`Work> But yeah, we probably have plenty to be worth another 'progress video' or two
15:55 < JonnyH`Work> All the 'game state' is there too (like the city layout, definitions of vehicles and weapons etc.)
15:55 < JonnyH`Work> As it's easier to mod an xml instead of a hexeeditor on the .exe :P
15:56 < Kaljakoppa> Ah ok, clever
15:58 < JonnyH`Work> but xml isn't very... efficient :)
16:10 < Kaljakoppa> Yeah, takes "forever" to load
16:11 < JonnyH`Work> Only in debug?
16:11 < JonnyH`Work> on msvc?
16:11 < JonnyH`Work> It hits some bad behaviour there
16:11 < JonnyH`Work> <1 second on release/linux
16:11 < Kaljakoppa> In general, and actually I was referring more on what we have in OpenKeeper
16:11 < Kaljakoppa> We have GUI definitions in XML
16:12 < JonnyH`Work> We have UI in xml too
16:12 < JonnyH`Work> but it's loaded with a different system to the gamestate
16:12 < JonnyH`Work> as you need the ui to select which 'mods' etc. :)
16:12 < Kaljakoppa> And it takes awhile to parse it, while anything else takes no time at all
16:13 < JonnyH`Work> ~200k of xml ui is pretty much instant here
16:13 < JonnyH`Work> ~13mb of gamestate xml however? Takes a fair bit longer
16:13 < JonnyH`Work> Especially as the xml parser (pugixml) is built from source in the windows release
16:13 < JonnyH`Work> so debug mode == debug mode for the xml parser too :)
16:14 < Kaljakoppa> Ouch :)
16:21 < JonnyH`Work> It's interesting, as gcc/clang even with optimistaions disabled and UBER_DEBUG mode are quite a bit faster
16:22 < JonnyH`Work> same with the stl iterator stuff (which is used all the time for the per-frame update and city draw code :(
16:22 < Kaljakoppa> There is plenty of time to optimize it all later
16:23 < Kaljakoppa> Premature optimization is a curse
16:23 < JonnyH`Work> I don't know if we should
16:23 < JonnyH`Work> as it seems intrinsic to all iterators
16:23 < JonnyH`Work> and I don't want to make that less clean
16:23 < JonnyH`Work> and 'release' mode is fine anyway :)
16:24 < JonnyH`Work> But it's probably annoying if you're developing on windows...
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18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog 
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, my script doesn't automatically +o me via chanserv if it automatically reconnects when away :(
19:05 <@pmprog> Hey JonnyH`Work. I don't have a script for it, it just happens when I log in (after I identify)
19:05 <@pmprog> I'd set you up, but I don't think I have permissions, and I don't actually know who created the channel now
19:06 <@pmprog> How's things anyway? I've seen a lot of activity on OpenApoc (but not looked enough into what's changed)
19:08 <@pmprog> Also, am I going nuts? We have two contributors with the same name - even looks like the same URL, but has two different profiles
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> ..who?
19:08 <@pmprog> https://github.com/IstrebiteI
19:08 <@pmprog> https://github.com/Istrebitel
19:08 <@pmprog> ah, ones an "I" and the other's an "L"
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> heh, looks like his local git config uses the email associalyed with the 'I' one, but the repository is owned by an email associated with the 'l' one
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> You can see stuff in the history where I kinda did something similar, where I had my work email as my ID for a few commits :)
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Github then tries to be 'clever' and associate the email with a github account if it can
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> which I presume uses the login email?
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> so he likely had a different github login email to the one in his git <author> tag
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll run on assuming it's the same person, rather than some crazy way of putting backdoors in openapoc or something :P
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/846e6d053114d03846177f1a0b58596b2a75824e
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> for example links to your github account
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> as the Author: tag matched your github account
19:26 <@pmprog> hehe, never thought it was for backdooring OpenApoc... but now you mentioned it, we better audit the code :D
19:27 <@pmprog> I didn't write that commit
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> But if says you did?
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> And it was committed by you
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> So must have been :P
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I dunno what happens if you have 2 accoutns with the same email
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Does github allow that?
19:34 <@pmprog> no idea
19:34 <@pmprog> did I really do that commit?
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> No, I did
19:34 <@pmprog> I was going to say
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19:35 <@pmprog> So you can totally forge commits?!
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> I just changed the 'author' to "Marq Watkin <devhead@pmprog.co.uk>"
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, it's just a bit of text
19:35 < Istrebitel> oh
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> like the commit message
19:35 < Istrebitel> I will try to figure it out tomorrow
19:35 < Istrebitel> why I have two accounts
19:35 < Istrebitel> I also thought I saw the last letter being too close to an "I"
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> git allows you to sign things properly with gpg keys if you actually want authentication :P
19:35 <@pmprog> That's shocking
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> It's the way it worked
19:36 < SupSuper> pmprog: also there is a different "commited by" field you can't change :p
19:36 < Istrebitel> btw, I managed to get first attempt at battlescape to display
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> It's distributed
19:36 < Istrebitel> results are... far from satisfactory
19:36 <@pmprog> SupSuper: Hi, ah, that makes a bit more sense
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> any authentication either needs challenge-response from a trusted source
19:36 <@pmprog> But still, reporting the wrong person is a bit scary
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Or you're keeping secrets from yourself :P
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: if the 'committed by'
19:37 < SupSuper> if you're getting different commit authors, remember that stuff done through github will use your github details while stuff done through git will use your local .gitconfig details
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> thing isn't internally managed by github
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> it doesn't provide authentiication either
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> I could set my .git config to call myself supsuper for all it cares
19:38 <@pmprog> Ah, as long as your SSH key lets you access the repo
19:38 <@pmprog> okay, think I understand it now
19:38 < Istrebitel> http://imgur.com/a/jB7yX
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> the 'can I access a repository?' is completely different system to 'What is my name?'
19:38 <@pmprog> Yep
19:38 < Istrebitel> Tomorrow I'll figure out what went wrong
19:39 < SupSuper> Istrebitel: well it's something
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: Probably 'caus the tile size is setup wrong in the CityView
19:39 <@pmprog> Looks interesting Istrebitel :)
19:39 < SupSuper> given everything is off by two, probably a wrong size somewhere
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> And I'm not sure if it actually does x/y/z chunk1 then x/y/z chunk2 etc.
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I also need to allow the VoxelMap size to be changed
19:40 <@pmprog> Okay, I gotta go, hopefully catch up again soon, as it looks like there's quite a bit of activity :)
19:40 <@pmprog> Have fun
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> currently the collision stuff expected it to be 32x32x16
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19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> which is wrong for the attle
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19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: Did you see my https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/extract-battlemap/tools/extractors/common/mapunits.h
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I think that's the loftems
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> also, generally
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> do we want each 'map' self-contained?
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Like have all the mapunits it uses?
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I like the idea of the maps being 'self contained'
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> but that'll have the cost of a fair bit of duplication...
19:47 < SupSuper> what do you mean?
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean currently each building has multiple maps
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> but share the mapunits tile definitions
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> maps/01senate/01sec* maps all use the same maps/01senate/mapunits/featmap.dat
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> (for the features, for example)
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I think 'maps' is something where it should be easy to add new ones for mods etc.
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe something different, each map 'can' have it's local tile types
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> but all the extracted ones go into a global pool...
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Meh, still thinking about how this should be laid out :)
19:53 < SupSuper> well i'd imagine tilesets will be very reused
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19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I think maybe add 'all' the extracted tile types to the base state
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> then if someone wants to create a new map
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> they can use anything from that
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> while still allowing new tiles to be added 'locally'
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Should be do-able with the current Serialize stuff
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> if I add anew 'base' class for the battleScapeMap
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> or whatever it'll be called :)
20:04 < SupSuper> i'm sure the maps will not be huge at all in xml :p
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> But we'll only load one at a time... right?
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> The set of 'all' tile data might be worse...
20:07 < SupSuper> until people want procedural maps back :p
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> It was designed to be able to stick together the 'chunks'
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> that's why each has set entry/exit points in the same places
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> so they would hook up
20:08 < SupSuper> wouldn't that make for a ridiculously big map?
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Like late game it's common to get 2 of the 'slums' maps just stuck together
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> but the aliens ever only spawn in 1 place
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> so you only ever end up fighting on half the map anyway :)
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> stuff like generating/modifying maps in a script is well beyond my thoughts right now
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll let you guys figure it out over in #openxcom first :)
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20:14 < SupSuper> well our scripts are just "how many different ways can you shuffle blocks" :p
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Don't they also do destructive geometry?
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Like carving out corridors?
20:19 < SupSuper> that's more of a "hack" than a "feature"
20:19 < SupSuper> because of bad non-inter-connecting map design :p
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Just adding a few more user-creates maps for each building would probably significantly increase the replay
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> each having, what, 3-4 maps that are constantly repeated now?
20:20 < SupSuper> either way it's less scripting more "set of features you can kinda call via yaml because actual scripting would kill me"
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> BadScripting then :)
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Like those predicates... *shudder*
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Though if it's bad in yaml
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> it'll be worse in xml...
20:21 < SupSuper> hey if *you* wanna expose our lovely mess of an api via lua, be my guest :p
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> a cut-down addTile/removeTile/queryTile :P
20:23 < SupSuper> sure and carry the whole state with it
20:23 < SupSuper> specially c++ state *shudders*
20:23 < Solarius> pirat
20:24 < Solarius> Sorry, was trying to log in to x-piratez :P
20:24  * JonnyH`Work quickly tries to guess Solarius' username
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20:27 < Solarius> Same?
20:27 < Solarius> Right user, wrong channel :P
20:28 < SupSuper> there's a pirates channel?
20:28 < Solarius> #x-piratez
20:29 < Solarius> It's like, a year old
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Whelp, I know what I'm not joining :P
20:30 < Solarius> It's mostly Ivan, Bloax and Nadir, doing nothing
20:30 < Solarius> It's pretty lively tonight though.
20:31 < Solarius> Dioxine is there, and Oheartstein, and some people I didn't know a moment ago.
20:32 < SupSuper> to think you used to need to fill out a signed form just to get a channel on freenode
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> good times...
20:33  * JonnyH`Work strokes his big unix beard
20:35 < nadir> Now ya just /join
20:35 < nadir> Granted, if you want fancy stuff like an affiliated cloak, there's still some red tape.
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I should set that up here...
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I feel like I'm missing out :P
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20:39 < SupSuper> at least *i* get a fancy whois mask :p
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> grumble grumble showoff
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> With your 'proven' project
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> instead of a collection of hacks pretending to be a game
20:56 < Solarius> Sorry, does anyone know if it's possible to save guides in Photoshop? I'd like to make a grid for a spritesheet, separating the frames.
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Sorry, I've never used PS
21:11 < SupSuper> photoshop grids aren't great for spritesheets as they have to be square
21:12 < Solarius> It's OK, I already found a way
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> can't you have a layer that's not exported containing the grid or something?
21:12 < Solarius> Actually, if you save as .psd, the grids stay.
21:12 < Solarius> So it's a non-issue
21:12 < Solarius> *guides, not grids
21:13 < Solarius> thanks anyway
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22:11 < SupSuper> oh no i got a null pointer :<
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> put it back
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> get a real pointer instead
22:12 < SupSuper> OpenApoc.exe!OpenApoc::Vehicle::handleCollision(OpenApoc::GameState & state, OpenApoc::Collision & c) Line 356	C++
22:13 < SupSuper> auto vehicle = std::static_pointer_cast<TileObjectVehicle>(c.obj)->getVehicle(); -- shared_ptr expired
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> line 356?
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> *this == nullptr?
22:13 < SupSuper> line 356 is where the method is :p
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> That's why I guessed *this is bad
22:14 < SupSuper> sorry, where the top of the stack is
22:14 < SupSuper> yeah the actual problem line is at OpenApoc.exe!OpenApoc::City::update(OpenApoc::GameState & state, unsigned int ticks) Line 200	C++
22:14 < SupSuper> i guess a nullcheck is needed if TileObjectVehicles expire? what the hell is a TileObjectVehicle
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> a TileObjectVehicle should never exist without a valid Vehicle?
22:16 < SupSuper> shenanigans!
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Vehicles still don't get destryoed, right?
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> That *could* happen if 2 bullets hit the same vehicle in the same frame
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and the first causes the vehicle to die?
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> but that can't happen in the current codebase as vehicles are invincible?
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> But we probably need to handle that case anyway
22:18 < SupSuper> well i can't get it to happen again. wasn't our RNG deterministic? :p
22:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah
22:18 <@JonnyH`Work> but if it's an order of the std::future returns it might not be deterministic in the order of processing...
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, my head actually instantly dies in UI::applyAliases at startup?
22:24 < SupSuper> oh no, memory corruption is afoot
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> might be a partial build :P
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> My system tinyxml2 library got updated today...
22:25 < SupSuper> i'm not running in debug anyways so not like i'll get much useful info
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I didn't clean, so maybe some code uses old headers & new library
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll try again...
22:27 < SupSuper> also to whoever enabled the multiprocessor flag: 3>cl : Command line warning D9030: '/Gm' is incompatible with multiprocessing; ignoring /MP switch
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> ...I don't know what they do
22:27 < SupSuper>  /Gm (Enable Minimal Rebuild) /MP (Build with Multiple Processes)
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I enbabled the multi-processor compilation in the UI, and it definitely caused more processes to appear per build?
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> is there another option that magically gets disabled due to that?
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> ...Minimal rebuild? Is that 'only rebuild files where the .cpp has changed"?
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Or something fancier?
22:29 < SupSuper> the minimal rebuild is the fancy thing where it tries to calculate what has actually changed rather than recompiling all changes
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> there may also be a data race between the threads and their sp<> copying?
22:30 < SupSuper> so i assume the multiprocessor build only works if it's a fresh build?
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> ...Why would that stop support for multiprocessor builds?
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Can't you just use the modified time of the .cpp and the .obj?
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> meh, I don't know?
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> See which one is better, /MP or /Gm?
22:31 < SupSuper> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/kfz8ad09.aspx
22:31 < SupSuper> it's mostly for dealing with include cascades
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, so it is 'more magic'
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> as it won't rebuild if you modify the .h
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> if you happen to modify it in a way that doesn't change this file's codegen?
22:32 < SupSuper> apparently all forms of magic aren't multithreaded :p
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> cmake / gcc's -MD stuff will rebuild everything if they all #include a modified header
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I've not really noticed that being a big issue? So we can disable it?
22:33 < SupSuper> i guess because you need to figure out in advance what you need to rebuild so multithreading wouldn't really work
22:34 <@JonnyH`Work>  /MP sounds 'better' than /Gm then
22:34 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, that ui crash was due to tinyxml changing versions
22:34 <@JonnyH`Work> a clean rebuild - no issues
22:37 < SupSuper> oh minimal rebuild is only enabled for Debug builds
22:37 < SupSuper> good thing nobody uses that :p
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe we can be more 'clever' with our debug builds
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Like build tinyxml/pugixml/physfs as release anyway?
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> as we're probably not debuggingthose internals?
22:38 < SupSuper> well you never know
22:39 < SupSuper> but if you want you can configure that at the solution level
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> You're the one constaltly whining about debug performance :P
22:42 < SupSuper> not during *compiling* :p
22:42 < SupSuper> i doubt a release tinyxml will have that much runtime impact
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure, but loading is a pain
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and a lot of that is xml stuff
22:43 < SupSuper> i guess. openxcom also has sluggish loading in debug because node-based / stl-based libraries tend to be fairly slow in debug
22:43 < SupSuper> guess i could try it and see what impact it has on loading
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> The GameState seralize stuff does really rely on inlining, true :)
22:43 < SupSuper> also here's an interesting blog on vc parallel compiling: https://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/03/22/make-vc-compiles-fast-through-parallel-compilation/
22:44 < SupSuper> the main takeaway is "everything has to be on the same settings to really take advantage of it" :p
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> it can't parallelise stuff with different _cmdline_ options?
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> ...Why does it care?
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Just run cl.exe multiple times?
22:46 < SupSuper> because it doesn't run one cl.exe per file, that'd be gross :p
22:46 <@JonnyH`Work> why?
22:46 <@JonnyH`Work> It's lost in the noise to fork a new process on linux :P
22:48 < SupSuper> well you probably have more files than cores
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah? I just run -j and let the scheduler sort it out
22:48 < SupSuper> :p
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> what make when you give it a limit is spawn(N)
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> when one finishes, it pops the next file off the todo list and spawns a process for that
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Nothing fancy
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> but it works
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> You don't need a scheduler or cooperative anything
22:54 < SupSuper> i'm sure they have a perfectly good reason based on win16 or something
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> as far as I can tell, technically I'm meant to lock around any sp<> inc/decref
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> In c++14 you can use std::atomic<> stuff around shared_ptrs
22:55 < SupSuper> so shared_ptrs aren't thread-safe?
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> But gcc uses atomics 'by default' in it's implementaiton of shared_ptrs
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> so it seems safe on gcc
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe msvc went for 'bear minimum technically according to the spec' and didn't bother with atomics?
22:57 < SupSuper> apparently shared pointer *references* are atomic, but shared pointer *accesses* aren't?
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> 'accesses' aren't in the way the underlying object may require locking
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22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> But I'm talking about the copy constructor doing a reference++
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> and destrtructor doing a if((reference--) == 0 ) destroy()
22:58 < SupSuper> right
22:59 < SupSuper> well everything i see says the standard dictates those must be atomic
22:59 < SupSuper> unless you're manually doing it yourself?
22:59 < SupSuper> how does the StateRef wrapper work?
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23:05 < SupSuper> there is this :p http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/experimental/atomic_shared_ptr
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23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/memory/shared_ptr/atomic
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> states non-const memer calls on sp<> is bad
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Like, for example, the copy constructor? Or destructor? :P
23:11 < SupSuper> apparently they are in c++11 though, not c++14
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, the non-member std::atomic<shared_ptr> stuff is c++11
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> but the atomic_shared_ptr<> is c++14
23:13 <@JonnyH`Work> AFAICT they do the same thing at the end ofthe day
23:18 <@JonnyH`Work> does msvc2015 provide the atomic_shared_ptr<> header?
23:22 < SupSuper> doesn't look like it
23:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I might be able to make sp<> a wrapper class instead of just an alias?
23:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Or disable multithreaded collision detection :P
23:30 <@JonnyH`Work> as it does give some non-determinisn
23:33 < SupSuper> ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh i hate it everytime i try to use "this" as a sp
23:34 < SupSuper> can i just turn a "this" into a reference?
23:34 <@JonnyH`Work> auto &reference = *this;
23:34 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
23:39 < SupSuper> now it's bitching about const
23:39 < SupSuper> fuckit i'm doing this, i'm passing a raw pointer
23:40 <@JonnyH`Work> const auto &reference = *this?
23:40 < SupSuper> living on the eeeeeeeeeeeeedge
23:42 < SupSuper> oh it was the lambda
23:42 < SupSuper> crisis averted
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> :(
23:43 < SupSuper> i guess if you pass a ref to a lambda without qualifying it it becomes weird?
23:44 < SupSuper> well you're safe from raw pointers... for now
23:46 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/qNhIq/c53a7eaf33.jpg now it looks apoc authentic :p
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23:49 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master b099744 SupSuper: Add event notifications
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23:51 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master bb64d03 SupSuper: Obsolete TODO.md
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23:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe add that as a 'bug' on github
23:57 <@JonnyH`Work> or trello or something?
23:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, I'm off
23:57 <@JonnyH`Work> have a good evening
23:58 <@JonnyH`Work> If I don't get any time to do stuff later, that is :)
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08:13 < Istrebitel> Okay, tactical is actually loading in proper order... now to display it correctly
08:13 < Istrebitel> for some reason, "chunks" mean nothing. You just read sequentually x then y then z
08:13 < Istrebitel> the whole map
08:13 < Istrebitel> regardless of the number of chunks. they're just multipliers to the size
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08:26 < Istrebitel> Okay here's how it looks now
08:26 < Istrebitel> http://imgur.com/a/dHh1Z
08:27 < Istrebitel> there are.... seams, for some reason? What can I be doing wrong?
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16:49 < Istrebitel> Okay, first pass battlescape is done
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> cool :D
16:49 < Istrebitel> map is displayed 99% correctly, you can chose active layer and change the way layers are displayed (up to current one, all layers, only current layer)
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Did you fix the 'seams'?
16:49 < Istrebitel> yes
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Is this using TileView?
16:50 < Istrebitel> only small differences remain to vanilla in insignificant places, like, derelict houses's broken walls are displayed a bit differently in several pixels (may be the original game is the one that's displaying incorrectly btw)
16:50 < Istrebitel> no, I made my own tileview
16:50 < Istrebitel> copying code from TileView
16:50 < Istrebitel> I saw no easy way to use TileView for battlescape
16:51 < Istrebitel> Should I commit it to pmprog/master now, or should I wait until it's more developed?
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> "no easy way" - we should probably fix that :)
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> If it works and doesn't regress anything, feel free to push to pmprog
17:16 < Istrebitel> Well, to fix that
17:17 < Istrebitel> we would need to change TileView
17:17 < Istrebitel> to use some classes that Tile and battle objects inherit
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> TileObjects?
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I know we need to de-hardcode the tile size & voxelmap size
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> then we can re-use the collision detection
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Is your battlescape branch up to date on github?
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I might have a look myself :)
17:18 < Istrebitel> almost
17:19 < Istrebitel> only added some minor stuff
17:19 < Istrebitel> I just copied and renamed everything
17:20 < Istrebitel> tile size is not hardcoded, you just use constants in constructor, they can be replaced with anything
17:20 < Istrebitel> what we need to do is to change TileView, Tile, TileObject
17:21 < Istrebitel> so that CityTileView and BattleTileView inherit those
17:21 < Istrebitel> and CityTile and BattleTile, etc, do too
17:22 < Istrebitel> also, I am not entirely sure I need different objects for ground, walls and scenery, maybe they're not really different at all?
17:22 < Istrebitel> like, all of them have voxelmap, all of them can get destroyed, all of them can fall etc.
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I think 'scenery', 'object(dropped objects/flying grenades?)', 'bullet', 'agent (including alien/civs?)' would be sufficient
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, maybe an object for gas/fire/smoke
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> All scenery objects would have a voxel, a set of 'support' flags
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> if they can be passed in x/y/z, if they can be walked 'on' (and if so the slowdown)
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> health/armour, if they explode when destroyed, if they have a 'damaged' object that replaces it when destroyed...
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, doors and lift flags too
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I think windows also have a flag so you can see through them but they block bullets
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> At least the first one before they get destroyed and drop the farm on your agent's heads ;)
17:59 < Skin36> omg GitHub banned me
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> what?
17:59 < Skin36> One of our mostly harmless robots seems to think you are not a human.
17:59 < Skin36> Because of that, it’s hidden your profile from the public. If you really are human, please contact support to have your profile reinstated. We promise we won’t require DNA proof of your humanity.
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Send them an email full of adverts for viagra
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> that'll solve the issue :)
18:00 < Skin36>  :)
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18:23 < Istrebitel> Oh wait, there is a difference
18:23 < Istrebitel> right wall must be drawn after left wall
18:23 < Istrebitel> otherwise, graphics glitch
18:23 < Istrebitel> they're made that way, so that right wall goes on top of left one
18:24 < Istrebitel> also, obviously, both go on top of the ground, and scenery goes on top of both
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's {floor, left, right, feature}?
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> in order?
18:24 < Istrebitel> yes
18:24 < Istrebitel> so they all have same Z but need different drawing order
18:24 < Istrebitel> still, that could be done somehow otherwise, without creating multiple classes
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I enabled 'layer sets' to do that in TileView :)
18:25 < Istrebitel> layersets take different class types, as I understand
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, but we could change that so the enum is just a member of the 'same' class
18:25 < Istrebitel> yes
18:25 < Istrebitel> so, is the wall really no different to ground or scenery?
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I expect this to change to fit the battlescape stuff as well as city
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Not that I can tell?
18:25 < Istrebitel> btw, could you tell me what is loftemp?
18:26 < Istrebitel> I undetstand what voxelmap is (bits that signify which small cubes are present and which are not in a 3d simplified image of an object)
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/extract-battlemap/tools/extractors/common/mapunits.h#L12
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks like it starts at offset 15 in each *map.dat file
18:27 < Istrebitel> also, I can't seem to open buttons for tactical
18:27 < Istrebitel> there's a pck just like city
18:27 < Istrebitel> but it doesnt' open in XED and openapoc throws too
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> what's the name?
18:27 < Istrebitel> xcom3/tacdata/icon_m.pck
18:28 < Istrebitel> and about loftemps - i know it's in those bytes, I mean, what actually does "loftemp" mean?
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Line Of Fire (maybe Templates?)
18:28 < Istrebitel> ah, I see
18:29 < Istrebitel> so, for cityscape, values in the dat files are adresses into some loftemp files
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure on the 'temp' part, that's a guess :P
18:29 < Istrebitel> it's the same here?
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it's the same format as the city, but into tacdata/loftemps
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> it seems to load fine
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I converted them to images here:
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/tacdata/loftemps/tacdata-loftemps/
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can visually see the layers
18:30 < Istrebitel> okay, so, should I code this transition to a single tileview/map/tile/tileobject?
18:30 < Istrebitel> or would you do it?
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18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I might do it?
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> It probably will involve some work to get that serialized out to keep a live Battle state too
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> And I might tweak how some of that works...
18:34 < SupSuper> hello
18:34 < Istrebitel> hello
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> And it might end up that the battle/city tile engines are too different to realistically share, but I'll give it a go
18:34 < Skin36> hi
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> hey sup :)
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> It's clear the two .exes don't quite share exactly the same codebase from the disasm
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> but where possible it makes sense to share, as they appear similar at a high level
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> But if every function turns into 2 just wrapped in if (battle) {} else if (city) {}
18:38 < Istrebitel> Well, the point of merging them together is to utilise shared code
18:38 < Istrebitel> written once, that fits both
18:41 < Istrebitel> I see a lot of code will be shared:
18:41 < Istrebitel> - drawing basic objects (scenery) is the same
18:41 < Istrebitel> - strategic/isometric separation is the same
18:41 < Istrebitel> - projectiles work the same
18:41 < Istrebitel> - collision I think is the same too (may be wrong)
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> collision seems the same,but different voxelmap size
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> (Just a hardcoded Vec3<>->parameter, should be easy enough)
18:43 < Istrebitel> What will not be shared?
18:43 < Istrebitel> - All the unit logic (vehicles, troops - pathfinding, movement, actions)
18:43 < Istrebitel> - Unit selection logic (in tactical you select via a tile-snapping cursor, in cityscape via collision with a finger)
18:43 < Istrebitel> - Items laying around, items moving according to their impulse vector and gravity
18:43 < Istrebitel> I think that can be coded in the classes that inherit the base ones
18:45 < Istrebitel> So, should I just commit it as it is (you might have noticed I have most stuff dumped into single files, battle.h and battle.cpp, as I didn't knew what classes exactly I'd end with)? Or should I separate them into proper files first (and also merge scenery/ground/walls into single class with type)?
19:00 < Istrebitel> Also, what's image offset? It seems to matter not what I type there
19:00 < Istrebitel> even though some right walls have different sizes, visually it seems fine
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> It's where the image is relative to the voxel map IIRC
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> so you need to do that to 'align' the hit map against what it appears they hit
19:02 < Istrebitel> I see
19:02 < Istrebitel> Will have to do in the future then
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22:05 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: is there any point in having a whole class defined in an .h instead of .h/.cpp?
22:05 <@JonnyH`Work> not really?
22:06 <@JonnyH`Work> in the 'good old days' you could claim inlining
22:06 <@JonnyH`Work> but you can enable lto if you want that these days :)
22:06 < SupSuper> lto?
22:06 <@JonnyH`Work> link time optimisation
22:06 <@JonnyH`Work> LTCG in msvc terms?
22:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Link Time Code generation?
22:06 < SupSuper> ah
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> sometimes if it's a single like I'm lazy and leave the implementaiton inline :P
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22:28 < SupSuper> what does the serialize handle, lists or vectors?
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> yes
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> std::vector<T> std::list<T> and std::map<U,V> all decompose to the corresponding types
22:40 < SupSuper> i always think a std::list would be more efficient but end up needing the indexing :p
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> For small objects vectors tend to be more effecient
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> due to pointer chasing as lists aren't using contiguous memory
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> or extremely large lists where you want to add something at a specific place
22:59 < SupSuper> i wonder if the fact we just make everything public will eventually bite us back :p
23:42 < SupSuper> there are no negative map coordinates right?
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> no
23:43 <@JonnyH`Work> we moved everything to +20,20 for that reason
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23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe a video this weekend?
23:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel's battle stuff will look shiny, even if it's not interactive :P
23:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, have a good evening
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00:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 81716ba SupSuper: Log event messages in the game state
00:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d3669b9 SupSuper: Add zooming to last game event
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15:53 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v6Axl
15:53 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 1c0c095 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix linux build...
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16:08 < Istrebitel> JonnyH, are you here?
16:08 <@JonnyH`Work> hey
16:09 < Istrebitel> Hello. I've finished bringing battlescape classes into proper form and files
16:09 < Istrebitel> and merged the branch back into my master. I can now remove the battlescape branch, right?
16:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, if you want
16:09 <@JonnyH`Work> You know you can do a pull request directly from a branch?
16:09 < Istrebitel> now, should I rebase before I do a pull request?
16:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I tend to keep my 'master' the same as pmprog's master
16:09 <@JonnyH`Work> If it merges cleanly, no need for a rebase
16:10 < Istrebitel> yes, I just don't see a point keeping battlescape as experimental development that could break something else is over, I'm going to work in master now
16:10 < Istrebitel> so I just send a pull request with 14 commits?
16:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure
16:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I can rebase/squash commits as necessary if I desperately think it needs cleaning up :)
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16:13 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #82: Battlescape initial work, a display of a static map (58UFO8) (master...master) https://git.io/v6xen
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16:13 < Istrebitel> there's a lot of merges
16:13 < Istrebitel> and really it's just one commit
16:13 <@JonnyH`Work> If I do squash/rebase
16:13 <@JonnyH`Work> you will need to reset your master to whatever I end up deciding
16:13 <@JonnyH`Work> but I can talk you through that as necessary
16:14 <@JonnyH`Work> if you 'merge' it you'll get _yet another_ merge commit :)
16:15 < Istrebitel> well general situation is that by the time pull request is accepted, somethign else has been done
16:15 < Istrebitel> so I can't rely on reset
16:15 < Istrebitel> so I'll just merge
16:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, merging is the simplist way of 'not accidently losing work'
16:16 < Istrebitel> I think I got a handle of how git works. I just have to click sync constantly after every action, otherwise it bugs out (after I started syncing after every action I had zero problems)
16:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I just like rebase before I push to my own github
16:18 < Istrebitel> so, I can merge after you squash/rebase?
16:29 <@JonnyH`Work> sure
16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> It'll merge it in, realise 'nothing has changed', and continue fine
16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> but still add the history, so it knows any future merges don't need any more work on the older commits
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16:50 < Treonin> hey
16:50 <@JonnyH`Work> hey
16:51 < Treonin> Bit late but figured out Istrebitels post
16:51 < Treonin> but I suppose he/she already over it:I
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Not read them yet :P
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> sorry Istrebitel if you were asking for help on the forum...
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW you can't use operator[] on const maps
16:55 <@JonnyH`Work> as if it doesn't exist, operator[] creates a new one
16:55 <@JonnyH`Work> which modifies the map
16:55 <@JonnyH`Work> which is banned by it being const
16:55 <@JonnyH`Work> ...exactly as Treonin said :P
16:55 < Treonin> xD
16:57 < Treonin> wisdom twice is wisdom that remains
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not the most useful error msvc could give though
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> gcc isn't much better though:
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> error: passing 'const std::map<int, int>' as 'this' argument discards qualifiers 
17:00 < Treonin> ye just generic does not exist errors
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17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> oh no:
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> ==4530==ERROR: AddressSanitizer: heap-buffer-overflow on address 0x6030034c9bc0 at pc 0x000000870e73 bp 0x7f7877e0f9b0 sp 0x7f7877e0f9a0
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> READ of size 1 at 0x6030034c9bc0 thread T3 (ThreadPool 1)
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work>     #0 0x870e72 in loadVersion1Format /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/framework/apocresources/pck.cpp:205
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work>     #1 0x870e72 in processFile /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/framework/apocresources/pck.cpp:79
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work>     #2 0x870e72 in PCK /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/framework/apocresources/pck.cpp:49
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work>     #3 0x870e72 in OpenApoc::PCKLoader::load(OpenApoc::Data&, OpenApoc::UString, OpenApoc::UString) /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/framework/apocresources/pck.cpp:370
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work>     #4 0x6c0e9b in OpenApoc::Data::loadImageSet(OpenApoc::UString const&) /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/framework/data.cpp:180
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work>     #5 0x6eb2cf in OpenApoc::Data::loadImage(OpenApoc::UString const&, bool) /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/framework/data.cpp:351
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work>     #6 0x5665c8 in OpenApoc::InitialGameStateExtractor::extractBattlescapeStuff(OpenApoc::GameState&, OpenApoc::UString, OpenApoc::UString) /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/tools/extractors/extract_battlescape_stuff.cpp:81
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess our pck loader needs some work :)
17:25 < Treonin> did you ctrl c ctrl v that one by one? :D
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> no?
17:25 < Treonin> is this automatic error output?
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> this is building with -fsanitize=address
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I could add it to travis
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> so it runs the tests/DataExtractor with sanitizers...
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> That's probably a good idea actually...
17:26 < Treonin> ah I see
18:11 < Istrebitel> erm... ot dodm
18:11 < Istrebitel> it didn't throw error for me on that line
18:12 < Istrebitel> and yeah I made a topic for battlescape discussion and one for coding questions on the forum, because I seem to be online mostly when noone else is
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> :) Yeah, I'm US west coast timezone
18:19 < Treonin> why does the earth have to be round ...
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, that pck issue is nothing to do with you
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> It doesn't repro with 'my' xcapoc-resource pck extractor
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Which I might just replace the current pck stuff with, as IMHO it's cleaner :)
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18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll probably just merge it anyway
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> and try to fix that this afternoon
18:28 < SupSuper> hey JonnyH`Work
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> hola sup
18:28 < SupSuper> apparently i broke the build? but it worked on msvc :p
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess msvc doesn't differentiate between template<>function() and function()
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> As you define the function 'after' it's use
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> gcc picks up the generic template one
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> not the overloaded non-template one
18:29 < SupSuper> ah. yeah i saw some functions with template<> and some without so i just shrugged
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> They probly all should be template<>
18:30 < SupSuper> i'm sure that file is going for the code-line olympics :p
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> except the ones that take more args (the TypeMap ones?)
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> It's takes like 20 seconds to build that file along :)
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> make -j is pretty much limited on that single file
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> We could move serializeIn/serializeOut to different files
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> if that's better
18:33 < SupSuper> well the dependency on order is annoying, though having a .h *and* a .cpp would just make it worse
18:33 < SupSuper> normally i would just have each class handle its own serialization, but i don't know how your system is set up so
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> We could add a static function to each class
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> but I didn't wnat the generated template mess to be pulled into 'every cpp file'
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Really, that should be 'temporary' until it's autogenerated  :P
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> But I keep falling into the trap of there's 50 different ways of doing it
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> none 'perfect'... so I keep changing my mind as to how it should be done
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> and end up doing nothing
18:36 < SupSuper> add it to the trello? :p
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18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, the trello background actually loads now :)
18:39 < SupSuper> enjoy it while it lasts, i don't know if it stays on after my premium expires
18:40 < SupSuper> i don't know why anyone would pay for that when all you get are custom backgrounds, emojis and powerups :p
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> private boards too?
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Like corporate stuff?
18:42 < SupSuper> i think that's a free feature
18:42 < SupSuper> there is a separate trello *business* though: https://trello.com/business-class
18:43 < SupSuper> i guess trello gold is less premium more just being generous
18:46 < SupSuper> oh and there's this now: http://blog.trello.com/trello-power-ups-for-all/
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18:53 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 24 new commits to master: https://git.io/v6xBW
18:53 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ec29c8e IstrebiteI: Test Battlescape In progress
18:53 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d846799 IstrebiteI: Battlescape progress
18:53 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ee2fdea IstrebiteI: Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/pmprog/master'
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19:03 < Istrebitel> erm
19:03 < Istrebitel> how do I close an IFile?
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> destructor
19:04 < Istrebitel> erm....
19:05 < Istrebitel> how? :p
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Let it go out of scope?
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Reassign it to an empty object?
19:05 < Istrebitel> nah, I need to close it before it goes out of scope
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Just not care about closing it?
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Why?
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> why do you 'need' to close a file?
19:05 < Istrebitel> I need to open a file, read its size, and then it will be opened again by a code I will call
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Open it again then :P
19:05 < Istrebitel> it won't be in use?
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> ...by a reader?
19:06 < Istrebitel> usualy you can't open twice
19:06 < Istrebitel> but okay
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> ..Is this the completely brain dead windows file locking stuff again?
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> try it
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> if it doesn't work we'll figure something out...
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW there are a fair few warnings in the battle stuff:
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> https://travis-ci.org/JonnyH/OpenApoc/jobs/155428359
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Ignore the gl20 stuff :)
19:10 < SupSuper> Istrebitel: just use a block?
19:10 < Istrebitel> will it GC it immediately?
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> c++ doesn't gcc
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Destructs are always run at scope
19:10 < SupSuper> yes, there's no GC in c++, once the block goes, everything in its stack goes
19:10 < Istrebitel> I mean, when it leaves scope, something does close it right?
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> in reverse order of declaration
19:10 < Istrebitel> so it does it immediately at the end of scope?
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Yes
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> It's well defined when c++ destructors run
19:11 < Istrebitel> okay, so I have to make sure there's no warnings in my code?
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> With the exception of some buggy versions of msvc2013 I found :)
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: I like to keep the linux builds clean
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I've gone through and made sure only the more useful warnings are enabled
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I haven't done -Weverything
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> so most of them are acutal issues, or at least could hide future issues is you start ignoring those warnings again
19:13 < SupSuper> good luck getting rid of msvc's casting warnings though :p
19:13 < Istrebitel> erm....
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> We could reduce it to /W2 from /W3 or something?
19:13 < Istrebitel> what does this mean home/travis/build/JonnyH/OpenApoc/game/ui/battle/battleview.cpp:33:41: warning: field 'selectionState' will be initialized after field 'palette' [clang-diagnostic-reorder]
19:13 < Istrebitel>       state(state), followAgent(false), selectionState(BattleSelectionState::Normal),
19:13 < Istrebitel> will be iniailised after... so what?
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, it's considered bad form
19:14 < Istrebitel> erm... what is?
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's relatively common for people to use previously-initialised members for later members
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> and it can stop the constructor decomposing to just a memset()
19:14 < SupSuper> Istrebitel: you should initialize members in the same order you defined them
19:14 < Istrebitel> ah
19:14 < Istrebitel> I see
19:14 < Istrebitel> interesting
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I generaally want to start moving to in-class-definition initialisers anyway
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> But not much code uses that right now :)
19:16 < Istrebitel> how do I fix this? /home/travis/build/JonnyH/OpenApoc/game/ui/battle/battleview.cpp:317:11: warning: Access to field 'type' results in a dereference of a null pointer (loaded from variable 'gameEvent') [clang-analyzer-core.NullDereference]
19:16 < Istrebitel>                 switch (gameEvent->type)
19:16 < SupSuper> did you initialize gameEvent?
19:17 < Istrebitel> I copied the code from cityview
19:17 < Istrebitel> it looks like this
19:17 < Istrebitel> auto gameEvent = dynamic_cast<GameEvent *>(e);
19:17 < Istrebitel> 		if (!gameEvent)
19:17 < Istrebitel> 		{
19:17 < Istrebitel> 			LogError("Invalid game state event");
19:17 < Istrebitel> 		}
19:17 < Istrebitel> 		switch (gameEvent->type)
19:17 < Istrebitel> 		{
19:17 < Istrebitel> 			default:
19:17 < Istrebitel> 				break;
19:17 < Istrebitel> 		}
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> The LogError() doesn't always stop the game
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> so you could return after it
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> or put the switch in the else
19:17 < Istrebitel> the code in cityview has
19:17 < Istrebitel> auto gameEvent = dynamic_cast<GameEvent *>(e);
19:17 < Istrebitel> 		if (!gameEvent)
19:17 < Istrebitel> 		{
19:17 < Istrebitel> 			LogError("Invalid game state event");
19:17 < Istrebitel> 		}
19:17 < Istrebitel> 		if (!gameEvent->message().empty())
19:17 < Istrebitel> 		{
19:17 < Istrebitel> 			state->logEvent(gameEvent);
19:17 < Istrebitel> 			baseForm->findControlTyped<Ticker>("NEWS_TICKER")->addMessage(gameEvent->message());
19:17 < Istrebitel> 			auto notification = mksp<NotificationScreen>(state, *this, gameEvent->message());
19:17 < Istrebitel> 			stageCmd.cmd = StageCmd::Command::PUSH;
19:17 < Istrebitel> 			stageCmd.nextStage = notification;
19:17 < Istrebitel> 		}
19:18 < Istrebitel> I don't see the difference?
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> then the cityview has the same issue :)
19:18 < Istrebitel> but i doesn't say so in the page you showed me
19:18 < Istrebitel> or did you only test my files?
19:18 < SupSuper> could make it an if-else
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> There's a limit to the patterns clang-tidy can match
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> So it might not notice it even if the same issue exists
19:19 < Istrebitel> ah, I see
19:29 < SupSuper> it would probably be simpler to have a "if dynamic_cast else fail" shortcut
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Or make LogError() noreturn...
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> And disable the 'limp along' button :)
19:30 < SupSuper> but what if i like limping???
19:30 < SupSuper> actually that button's always bugged me because the text doesn't fit in the button :p
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> ...does it not?
19:31 < SupSuper> well it looks off on windows
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> looks fine in linux :)
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> IT's like the crappiest dialog box ever though
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> 'raw' X :P
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> from the 1080s
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> 1980s... 1080s would be impressive for any software :)
19:32 < SupSuper> it's also the crappiest win32 dialog so it matches :P
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/dialog.png
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> look at that beauty and weep
19:34 < SupSuper> wooooooow
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, my plan for this afternoon:
19:35 < SupSuper> ok i was wrong, this is the crappiest win32 dialog: http://puu.sh/qPpDQ/76d0e3eefe.png
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> - fix PCK
19:37 < SupSuper> Istrebitel: battlescape looks really cool :)
19:37 < SupSuper> but damn that map is big, if i go to the top level it lags like hell :p
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> ..anything else on my 'immediate' list (IE blocking someone else?)
19:41 < SupSuper> not afaik. i'll probably finish up the message stuff
19:41 < SupSuper> multiple push/pop would be nice but probably not an afternoon thing?
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Depends if we just add stuff to the event queue...
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> proably not an afternoon thing to make 'everything' use the event for push/pop state though
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> and I don't want to have 2 things doing the 'same' thing
19:45 < SupSuper> right, we don't want more temporary workarounds :p
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: At least on my machine, there isn't really any 'nasty' cpu use when drawing all the tiles at 1080p
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe we're hitting the limits of your gpu driver/gpu card?
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems batched optimally here...
19:55 < SupSuper> possibly? at the top level, i get 40fps at the center of the map, and the normal 120fps at the top-left corner
19:55 < SupSuper> it's certainly not bad but it is noticably different when scrolling around
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> 7ms draw here
19:56 < SupSuper> there's probably a fair amount of optimization once you can detect occluded tiles anyways
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> We can't detect occlusion without effectively doing a raster due to the 'transparent' pixels
19:59 < SupSuper> really? wouldn't that horribly bog down the original?
20:00 < SupSuper> that would explain the lackluster performance in big maps though...
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> It gets a bit laggy, maybe ~20 fps
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> at 720p on my laptop i5 3320m integrated gpu :)
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> No issues at 2k with my radeon 7730
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> which is probably the lowest-end discrete gpu I have avilable...
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> ~4ms render
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> that's ~240fps :)
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Anything less than vsync isn't often useful to benchmark
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> as you get stuck in the quagmire of latency and scheduling more than actual performance above that
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> unless it's some win/linux issue
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> my laptop 3320m bieng windows
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> and that radeon linux
20:12 < SupSuper> you just don't like nvidia :p
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I no longer have an nvidia card to test
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> As it melted...
20:12 < SupSuper> i don't know how you would do proper gpu profiling though
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> if you install apitrace
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> you can run a trace with the timers enabled
20:14 < SupSuper> i don't wanna use the "i have a 2gb card therefore your argument is invalid" :p
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> 2gb being large, or small?
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus my home desktop now has an 8gb gpu :P
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I use the intel integrated 'gpu' normally to test
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> as I /want/ it to be fast
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, and the mobile gpu in a nexus player too
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> If you have a gpu slower than that?
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Meh
20:20 < SupSuper> i was wondering why apitrace for windows was 80mb, and then i saw it
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> qt.dll?
20:20 < SupSuper> qt *shudders*
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> ..then why is the mingw build only 7.6mb?
20:22 < SupSuper> presumably they let your package manager deal with it
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> ooh, .pdb
20:22 < SupSuper> wait nevermind
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I have 100 frames at
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/OpenApoc.trace
20:25 < SupSuper> how do i make a trace
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> open mine if you want
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Or run the application under 'new'
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> you'll need the current workig directory set right though
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I use the cmdline for that
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> from a console in the OpenApoc checkout root:
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> c:\path\to\apitrace.exe trace bin\path\to\openapoc.exe
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> should work under windows?
20:28 < SupSuper> oh they have a gui client nevermind
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Or just open mine
20:28 < SupSuper> ok i opened yours, now what
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> and trace->profile
20:29 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/qPtih/e302f783d0.png
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> "total gpu time" for all programs is ~1.2 seconds
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> that means if the gpu was 100% efficiently used by the driver you'd get ~83 fps
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> though the gaps in the red graph are placeds where the gpu is idle
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> so we could possibly benefit from some work there
20:31 < SupSuper> seems the big red blocks are glDrawArraysInstanced?
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> yup, that makes sense
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> as that's the think that does "Draw 1000 sprites"
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> so there should be maybe ~2 big ones per frame
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> doing all the tile view
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> then some smaller draws after that putting together the ui
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> (you can zoom with mousewheel into a frame)
20:34 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/qPtBf/12164c96b5.png
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/profile.png
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> here is mine
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> you can see that we're vsync limited (as it's waiting in the fist glClear() for the buffer to be free)
20:35 < SupSuper> yeah my frames are hogged by the glDraw compared to yours
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> the cpu time is a lot higher than the gpu time
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> You can just ignore the glClear time on mine
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> That's just a wait
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems my gpu is relatively faster than my gpu
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> compared to yours :P
20:37 < SupSuper> can you get a trace at the bottom level to compare?
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> 'trace at the bottom'?
20:37 < SupSuper> bottom map level
20:37 < SupSuper> to compare fastest-slowest performance
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/OpenApoc.level1.trace
20:40 < SupSuper> yeah very different: http://puu.sh/qPtXr/8236b037dd.png
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> ok, so that's clearly cpu limited
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Zooming in to the blue shows it's lots of tiny 'glBindFramebuffer(); glViewport(); glClear(); glDrawArrays();' loops
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> which means it's likely UI stuff
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> not the tileview itself
20:41 < SupSuper> time to get a new pc just for openapoc :p
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll capture another trace at the top level
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> but with the UI disabled...
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/OpenApoc.noui.trace
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> On mine there's a big decrease in the (cpu) blue
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> but the red stuff is about the same
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> so it takes the driver a bit of time to sort stuff out
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but there's not much more work for the gpu
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> as it seems to batch everything up internally anyway
20:46 < SupSuper> so you're worrying about the gaps instead of the thickness?
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm worried about the proportion of each frame actually filled
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> as that's probably closest to 'utilisation' we have
20:47 < SupSuper> yeah cpu is lighter now: http://puu.sh/qPupp/6a846069a8.png
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/profile.noui.png
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> is mine
20:48 < SupSuper> it seems gpu times also went down? the spikes are smaller
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> And the GPU red bar is much more sparse..
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> The couple of spikes in the middle might be outliers, we can ignore them
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> it's the average/total we care about
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> It went from ~193ms to 500ms total gpu time..
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> That doesn't make sense
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, no, I was comparing against level 0
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> 1.185s + 169ms to 515ms
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> so for whatever reason disabling the UI doubles your fps...
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess your gpu _really_ doesn't like changing render targets...
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I can deal with that
21:04 < SupSuper> add to trello: "optimize the hell out of this 90s game!!!!!"
21:05 < SupSuper> so was "program 6" the ui thread?
21:06 < SupSuper> i can see how it impacts with its ~5000 calls
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> the programs are shared for all ui/tile rendering
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> they're split more on if it's Palette/RGBImages
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> or size of image (e.g. 'large' images don't get batched, and so have a different shader)
21:34 < SupSuper> how do i remove frames from a trace?
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Not easily
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> theres a 'trim' function
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> but that's more "Remove everything that isn't required for a single frame"
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> but as opengl is a state machine
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> it involved some horrendous dependency analysis
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> and often gets stuff wrong
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> as it doesn't really 'know' what buffers/state is needed for the next frame, and what is just going to be overwritten
21:39 < SupSuper> ah right
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: Question: why are there two extract_battlescape_map.cpp files?
21:40 < Istrebitel> erm?
21:40 < Istrebitel> where?
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> tools/extract_battlescape_map.cpp
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> and tools/extractors/extract_battlescape_map.cpp
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume the tools/extractors one is the one we actually want to use?
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> as the other isn't added to the build?
21:41 < Istrebitel> yeah that's a bug on my part
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> and the pck issue
21:41 < Istrebitel> that one in tools is unused
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21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> is you're loading a 'strategy' format pck as a 'normal' pck
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> and the current pck code, instead of retporting an error, just crashes :)
21:42 < Istrebitel> erm?
21:42 < Istrebitel> strategy format?
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it uses a different file format for the strategy map images
21:42 < Istrebitel> but I read and displayed strategy map just fine?
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Really?
21:42 < Istrebitel> Iyes
21:43 < Istrebitel> there's another problem, I fixed it already
21:43 < Istrebitel> in other maps, other than 58 and some others
21:43 < SupSuper> out of curiosity i decided to profile openxcom, it's hardly surprising :p http://puu.sh/qPxVe/4fa482d761.png
21:43 < SupSuper> the gpu is basically snoozing
21:43 < Istrebitel> there's not enough strategy images
21:43 < Istrebitel> for all the tiles. I assume not all tiles need strategy maps.
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> well, you use sw rendering right?
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> there's just the scale at the end done using opengl?
21:44 < Istrebitel> that's why I read .TAB file to see how many sprites are there in strategy PCKs
21:44 < Istrebitel> and then I only assign strategy sprite if there's one in the PCK
21:45 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: pretty much
21:45 < Istrebitel> but for 58UFO8 it should work just fine, that one has enough strategy sprites for all objects
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21:50 < Istrebitel> I can make another pull request with a fix for that (strategy sprite count checking)
21:50 < Istrebitel> so that yopu can open any map
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH we should proably fix trying to load an invalid pck offset
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> returning 'empty images' is much better than crashing :)
21:52 < Istrebitel> okay, 1 min
21:53 < Istrebitel> rrright
21:53 < Istrebitel> it's working, and you can load any map
21:59 < Istrebitel> okay, making pull request
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22:00 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #83: Battlescape now can load any map, fixed tiles trying to load nonexistant strategy images (master...master) https://git.io/v6x7N
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22:02 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/battlescape-strategy-sprites
22:02 <@JonnyH`Work> how that is apparently showing the same results is blowing my mind
22:10 < Istrebitel> well, on my machine my code works
22:10 < Istrebitel> strategy map is shown
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> the loadVersion1Format stuff is going over the end of the arrays
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> It that's a'' '0' and unused
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> it actually ends up with the same result...
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess pmprog's 'Version1Format' is functionally equivalent to the 'stratmap pck' for some widths :)
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22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> they both use a similar rle system
22:12 < Istrebitel> http://imgur.com/a/8Nn8s
22:12 < Istrebitel> I have to run to bed now, I'll read everything you reply tomorrow
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> but it breaks if the stratmap doesn't 'fill' the whole tile
22:12 < Istrebitel> here's a screen of it working on my machine
22:12 < Istrebitel> right now
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. if the start pixel isn't at the x=0 column
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> night Istrebitel 
22:13 < SupSuper> those ufo tiles don't look right
22:13 < Skin36> hi
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> the bushes look wrong too
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and the pink 'flashes' on some grass tiles shouldn't be there
22:19 < Skin36> I think I figured out the accuracy
22:19 < Skin36> http://pastebin.com/XQ48xN5p
22:20 < SupSuper> "while true" is always a good sign ;)
22:20 < Skin36>  :)
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> sounds like xcom code
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22:25 < SupSuper> http://puu.sh/qPAr3/e18529c1af.png woo?
22:27 < SupSuper> proudly continuning world's most boring features
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> that's what you're good at, right?
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> The boring stuff?
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
22:29 < SupSuper> that explains why i suck at interviews :P
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13:54 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 343d654 SupSuper: Add messages to Log screen.
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15:05 <@JonnyH> hi SupSuper 
15:05 <@JonnyH> Do you still have that slow gpu around?
15:06 <@JonnyH> Could you try increasing the buffer count in the ogles_3_0_renderer_v2.cpp
15:06 <@JonnyH> OGLES3Renderer::spriteBufferCount, texturedBufferCount and quadBufferCount?
15:06 <@JonnyH> To something like '50' fo each and see if that helps?
15:08 < SupSuper> "that slow gpu around"? you're talking about my main pc :p
15:08 <@JonnyH> Whichever one is slower than my intel integrated laptop
15:08 <@JonnyH> that one :P
15:08 <@JonnyH> i think what might be happening is it's ending up waiting for the previous draw to complete before it can start the next
15:08 <@JonnyH> I enabled round-robin buffers
15:09 <@JonnyH> then set most of them to a count of '1' for some reason...
15:09 <@JonnyH> which doesn't really make sense
15:09 <@JonnyH> that's nearly... 4k we've saves!
15:09 <@JonnyH> A quick test here shows I get much better cpu/gpu overlap
15:09 <@JonnyH> so I wondered if it would help for you too
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15:47 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7cf6ee5 Jonathan Hamilton: Increase buffer sizes in gles3 renderer...
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16:46 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: i still have the same performance issues but i didn't do a detailed profile
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21:01 < Istrebitel> I'm hacking battlescape .dat files right now
21:01 < Istrebitel> I hope to get it fully decoded by tomorrow
21:01 < Istrebitel> playing with explosives is fun :P
21:43 < SupSuper> can't wait until we have collapsible physics :D
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13:02 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #84: Minor fixes to battlescape data extraction and xmls, plus fixed some warnings (master...master) https://git.io/v6hwX
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15:40 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: is it me or is the Vehicle class not very well suited for ground/air stuff? :v
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15:59 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Probably not?
15:59 < SupSuper> you wrote a Mover class which was smart but then the rest of Vehicle is littered with land/takeoff/etc.
16:03 <@JonnyH> That's mission stuff....
16:03 <@JonnyH> Maybe generic-ify them into 'leave building'/'enter building'?
16:04 <@JonnyH> Or just say 'ground vehicles may not be given 'takeoff' missions, but instead the new 'leaveGarage'' or whatever
16:27 < SupSuper> just having generic "enter/leave" might make more sense
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16:28 < SupSuper> i've never actually used a ground vehicle before so this is gonna require a lot of testing :p
16:28 <@JonnyH> Neither has anyone else
16:30 < Skin36> Hello, you saw my script? there is something clear?
16:34 <@JonnyH> For the accuracy?
16:35 < Skin36> yes
16:35 <@JonnyH> Looks good to me
16:36 <@JonnyH> Shouldn't to hard to convert to c++
16:37 < Skin36> can have the article on the calculation accuracy by using the unit unit of the vector?
16:38 < Skin36> ort vector *
16:39 < Skin36> I do not quite understand why the z coordinate in one case = 0, and then another, divisible by 3
16:40 <@JonnyH> No sure either
16:40 <@JonnyH> Maybe having z with a 'smaller' variance makes it play better?
16:41 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: does that stuff look similar to openxcom BTW?
16:43 < SupSuper> you'd have to ask Warboy :p
16:43 < SupSuper> if i had to guess the z stuff is because shots normally don't have vertical deviation
16:44 <@JonnyH> It's probably something where they coder implemented x/y/z the same
16:44 <@JonnyH> then playtesters said it sucks, so they tweaked values
16:44 <@JonnyH> hence the constant '0' being added :P
16:45 < Skin36>  constant '0'  ?
16:45 < Skin36> wtf
16:47 <@JonnyH> z2=0
16:47 <@JonnyH> (z1+z2)
16:47 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-3tfn6TNpR/
16:48 < Skin36> as a function of a few useless multiplication by 0
16:48 <@JonnyH> I assume that's what their C code looked like
16:48 <@JonnyH> 'useless' multiply/add zero
16:49 <@JonnyH> and the compiler was't smart enough to remove it
16:50 < SupSuper> here's the x-com version: http://pastebin.com/MiKaUiQ0
16:51 <@JonnyH> warboy just sent me that :P
16:51 <@JonnyH> So he's spying on us...
16:52 < SupSuper> uhhhhh... sure :P
16:53 <@JonnyH> or we have traitors in ths channel... :P
16:54 < Skin36> This formula is not like
16:55 <@JonnyH> apoc requied an fpu
16:55 <@JonnyH> so I guess previous xcoms had to stick to integer
16:56 < SupSuper> yeah xcom didn't have floats, practically speaking
16:56 <@JonnyH> well, if it had to run on a vanilla 386/486sx you had no fpu unit
16:56 <@JonnyH> and emulation as _slow_
16:57 <@JonnyH> So this at least looks like something rewritten for apoc
16:57 <@JonnyH> The same idea (offsetting the voxel by something derived from distance/accuracy)
16:58 <@JonnyH> but rather different implementation
16:59 < Skin36> at least in the apoc used the normal distribution
17:01 < SupSuper> yeah the "offset voxel" approach is more natural because it leads to hits that might miss and misses that might hit
17:02 < SupSuper> as opposed to the modern approach of "first check if it's a hit/miss, and then trace the shot"
17:06 <@JonnyH> Game vs Simulation I guess :P
17:13 <@JonnyH> Talking w/warboy suggests that the bullet 'ray' drawing is the same between apoc and xcom
17:14 <@JonnyH> Interesting they split out the XZ and Z as 2 different loops
17:14 <@JonnyH> so they can handle arcs (e.g. thrown grenades)
17:14 <@JonnyH> Might have to think about that
17:18 < TheSnide_> JonnyH: how are bounced hnadled ?
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17:19 <@JonnyH> no bounces in apoc
17:34 <@JonnyH> I'm of for a bit, might see you later
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20:22 < TheSnide> didn't the grenades bounce off walls ?
20:22  * TheSnide isn't so sure anymore
20:26 < SupSuper> i remember boomerangs bounce around but i think that's part of the grenade rather than physics
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20:28 < TheSnide> boomerangs ? in apoc ?
20:28 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: Now you mention it, they do 'fall to the floor' if they hit something
20:28 <@JonnyH> maybe backwards a bit
20:28  * TheSnide missed something
20:28 <@JonnyH> Boomeroids, the aliens 'homing' proximity grenades
20:28 <@JonnyH> Annoying things, keep destroying all the cool loot :)
20:29 < TheSnide> oh. right.
20:29 < TheSnide> i remember being diffivult tontrow around corner
20:29 < TheSnide> to throw
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20:39 < SupSuper> JonnyH: how do the flying vehicles pathfind? just a* across the tilemap?
20:43 <@JonnyH> Yeah, a*
20:43 <@JonnyH> with a 'canEnterTileHelper' that decides if a tile is inter-able or not
20:44 <@JonnyH> If that has the 'origin' tile from each you should be able to use that interface for ground vehicles too, right?
20:45 < SupSuper> yeah i'm thinking using a* on road tiles with the intersections as the "nodes" so they don't turn around on a dime
20:46 <@JonnyH> hmm.. I guess you need the direction as well for that...
20:46 < SupSuper> well i guess you could just have a heuristic that disallows turning around unless the tile is an intersection
20:47 <@JonnyH> I think that's banned, not just avoided
20:47 <@JonnyH> canEnterTileHelper could return false for entries like that? Maybe?
20:48 < SupSuper> and i guess now every building needs a "list of hangars" *and* "list of garages". even though i think they only ever use one
20:48 <@JonnyH> If you blow up a road in original apoc, if it's not a juction I think the cars just sit there
20:48 <@JonnyH> can't do u-turns
20:48 <@JonnyH> IIRC there is only ever one
20:48 < SupSuper> well buildings sometimes look up they have multiple but i guess they're decoys
20:50 <@JonnyH> I think they only have a single garage tile
20:50 <@JonnyH> But that might split into a couple of exits still underground
21:02 < SupSuper> i guess i'll just do basic pathfinding first and go from there :p
21:03 < SupSuper> just getting them on the map will be interesting
21:03 <@JonnyH> getting them in the right place might be interest
21:03 <@JonnyH> ing, as for flying stuff I just went for tile center
21:04 < SupSuper> at least they don't tilt
21:04 <@JonnyH> but side of the road depends on directions...
21:04 <@JonnyH> You get sloped roads?
21:04 <@JonnyH> But not diagonal connections
21:04 < SupSuper> yeah but that's just "use whatever the tile says"
21:05 <@JonnyH> plus they can pass if they're on different sides of the road...
21:06 < SupSuper> hopefully ground vehicle combat is the same as air vehicle combat, there's just a lot less in range :p
21:06 <@JonnyH> I think so...
21:07 < SupSuper> just have to make sure the pathfinder is happy just getting "close to destination" and not "actually there"
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01:37 < Iamasandwich> hi
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01:50 < Iamasandwich> i really like all the progress i’m seeing
01:50 < Iamasandwich> just watching github
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17:06 < Think_> Yeah, just going to say, loving all this progress! Keep up the amazing work y'all.
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I would love to take the praise
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> But mostly it's a couple of new guys helping out :)
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Which is great!
17:48 < Think_> Awesome!
17:48 < Think_> Your wish seems to be coming true
17:48 < Think_> New guys do speed up the process.
17:49 < Think_> So soon I should be able to me more involved here, hopefully I can take some of the community tasks off your mind and have you focus on the all-important coding!
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Would be nice :)
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been meaning to do another video for a while
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> But recently I've been waiting for $ONE_MORE_FEATURE to show off
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> but that means I'll never do anything, as there's always one more on the way after that :)
17:57 < Think_> Maybe we just do a "What's done" and "What's WIP" portions of the video
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17:57 < Think_> So people can actually hear where we are progressing
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18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Heh, Istremitel has done well with figuring out the battlescape map stuff
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Might end up having the battlescape usable sooner rather than later :)
19:10 < Skin36> cool
19:11 < SupSuper> but does it collapse!!! this is important
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> nope
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I still haven't pulled out the support flags for the city yet...
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20:37 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: is there any way to assign a vehicle a specific tilehelper?
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> not right now?
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> as FlyingVEhicleTileHelper is constructed in VehicleMission directly
21:03 < SupSuper> maybe i should just go back to ui :p
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> It does seem easier
21:06 < SupSuper> but will i ever grow as a programmer this way!!
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> and 'fixing my poorly designed hack job' helps you grow?
21:07 < SupSuper> isn't that every programmer's job description? :p
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> 'Must have experience in: Fixing JonnyH's poorly designed hack jobs'
21:18 < SupSuper> i guess the same could be said of your ui :p
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Me working on UI code:
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/455/1*snTXFElFuQLSFDnvZKJ6IA.png
21:20 < SupSuper> i still need to fix that research screen agent list...
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> the one where it only first 4 before the scrollbar appears?
21:24 < SupSuper> right
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23:41 < Think_> That picture signifies my programming experience
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Think_: but that won't stop me doing _something_
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Which is probably worse :)
23:42 < SupSuper> next up: a procedurally generated codebase
23:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Write a program that creates XCom: Apocalypse implementations...
23:44 < SupSuper> eventually one of them will be correct
23:44 <@JonnyH`Work> cat /dev/random > openapoc.cpp
23:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Can't be much worse than what we have
23:52 < SupSuper> less TODOs probably
23:52 <@JonnyH`Work> ahem... 'fewer'
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18:34 < Istrebitel> hello JonnyH
18:35 < Istrebitel> Just a small question, have you seen what I posted on forums about .DAT file format (and other things battlescape)?
18:37 < Istrebitel> In particular, right now I'm worried about loftemps. I believe we're reading them wrong.
18:42 <@JonnyH> oh?
18:42 <@JonnyH> my 'lof stack' indexes are wrong in the mapunits .dat?
18:43 <@JonnyH> Or we're reading the loftemps.dat file itself wrong?
18:44 <@JonnyH> so you think  it's not really sa stack of 40
18:44 <@JonnyH> but 2x20 somehow?
18:45 <@JonnyH> Maybe one is for line of sight
18:45 <@JonnyH> One is bullet line of fire
18:45 <@JonnyH> Like glass is transparent, but blocks bullets
18:45 <@JonnyH> Maybe find a fullheight glass tile and see if that's different?
18:48 <@JonnyH> Yeah, that's exactly it
18:48 <@JonnyH> 20 lof 'line of fire' 20 lof 'line of sight'
18:48 <@JonnyH> check 01senate 'left' index 71
18:49 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/maps/01senate/mapunits/left.pck/tactical.pal/71.png
18:49 <@JonnyH> looks like glass
18:49 <@JonnyH> it has 20x '0x07' then 20x '0x00'
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18:52 < SupSuper> i guess it is the first game with glass :p
18:53 <@JonnyH> so each voxel is actually 20 high
18:53 <@JonnyH> I thought 40 was a bit unbalanced
18:53 <@JonnyH> lots of z resolution
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19:09 < SupSuper> you mean 2 high?
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> 16x16x40 seems a bit unbalanced
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Considering the relative 'visual' height of the tiles
19:12 < SupSuper> yeah original x-com lofs weren't uniform either. i think each counted double
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20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> weirdly, it doesn't seem like you can get cheap old nvidia cards?
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> they're still around the release RRP for something like a 750... :(
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> you can get a _new_ radeon 460 for less...
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21:01 < SupSuper> woah check out this wizardry: http://i.imgur.com/lkC7tBZ.gif
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> nooo, it should be 5x2
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> for 4x3?
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> How are you going to fit 10 people in?
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I think we need to reduce the gap between name/skill
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> so they pack
21:02 < SupSuper> well that's your fault
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that done 'proper'y in Forms?
21:03 < SupSuper> yes, it's magic
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Or just changed my 'if (number > 5) useColumn2()' to if (number > 4)
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Does it start scrolling if you try to fit more than that?
21:04 < SupSuper> yeah it should start scrolling if you fill all the columns. i can see the modders drooling already...
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> yay, my 500-person lab idea is possible :)
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> aka 'cheating'
21:05 < SupSuper> but yeah, now lists have an item direction *and* a scroll direction! does that make sense? who knows! should i have just made a grid control? who cares!
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Can you make got after filling the 2 columns, add 1 row at a time for the scrolling?
21:06 < SupSuper> it will just add more columns
21:06 < SupSuper> adding more rows when you want it to have *fixed rows* is kinda confusing
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can't say 0-5 column1, 6-10 column2, then interleave :P
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> It's rather specific there...
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Assuming scrolling horizontally isn't perfectly fine there
21:07 < SupSuper> i leave that as an exercise to the reader :P
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> That's a dangerous thing to say to me about UIs
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> god knows what it'll end up looking like
21:08 < SupSuper> anyways don't break me or i'll never make the tree control when we get there :p
21:09  * JonnyH`Work breaks sup
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> The agent->vehicle assignment is only 1-deep trees, right?
21:10 < SupSuper> probably
21:10 < SupSuper> i should refactor the scrolling functionality out of the list at some point, or everything's gonna have to go in the list :p
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> a 'Scrolling' Container wrapper maybe?
21:11 < SupSuper> or do it the win32 way where everything scrolls...
21:12 < SupSuper> also this is how it looks in the original so you'll probably have to do some tweaking: http://puu.sh/qUhiJ/7a34de9230.png
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21:13 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SupSuper pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/viUkO
21:13 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0f3e10a SupSuper: Fix research screen assigned list
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21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, the skill is below the name when in the 'unassigned' list
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> but to the right when assigned
21:15 < SupSuper> they thought of everything!
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> The important thing is you're consistent
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> conistently inconsistent
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17:44 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master fb0dd91 Jonathan Hamilton: Add 'sanitize' CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE to enable 'address,undefined' sanitizers...
17:44 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 96b9a9d Jonathan Hamilton: Make test_serialize output to a tmp file...
17:44 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master fdaf4c0 Jonathan Hamilton: Travis: Parallelise ctest
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15:52 < Skin36> hi
15:52 <@JonnyH> hey Skin36 
15:52 <@JonnyH> Good work on the accuracy stuff :)
15:55 < Skin36> on forum last correct version
15:56 < Skin36> I also found out how the turn rate, but I can not describe this algorithm
15:58 < Skin36> since this is not entirely an angle, and this change in angle of 180 degrees relative to
16:00 < Skin36> I also began work on the tactical part
16:02 < Skin36> it starts up tasp.exe you can change the play mode to "demo", "train", "net", ets
16:03 < Skin36> I think all that remained from the beta version
16:07 <@JonnyH> Never really played the beta...
16:08 < Skin36> but some of these modes work
16:10 < Skin36> you do not know how it works TACTICAL.MAPS?
16:10 <@JonnyH> Does the beta do maps differently then?
16:10 < Skin36> I'm not talking about the beta
16:11 <@JonnyH> Oh, Istrebitel has done a fair bit of work on that
16:11 <@JonnyH> I think most of his thoughts are in his forum threads
16:12 < Skin36> I have not understood anything ....
16:13 < Skin36> but I know that it indexes files in the "mapunits" folder
16:14 <@JonnyH> Yeah, there are 4 indexes per tile in the map
16:14 <@JonnyH> for the floor/left wall/right wall/'feature'
16:14 < Skin36> yes
16:14 < Skin36> im see code
16:14 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel seems to have figued out much of the 'per tile data'
16:22 < Istrebitel> I asked Skin36 for help actually
16:22 < Istrebitel> since he's disassembling
16:22 < Istrebitel> I asked maybe code has some hints
16:22 < Istrebitel> because I decoded most values but not all
16:22 <@JonnyH> :)
16:22 < Istrebitel> and I haven't found several crucial things
16:22 < Istrebitel> like: how does the game know the tile is a smoke/fire spawner?
16:22 <@JonnyH> I also replied on the pull request
16:22 < Istrebitel> how does the game know what to spawn then thing falls
16:22 <@JonnyH> Let me know if there's anything else you want to know
16:22 < Istrebitel> I know
16:22 < Istrebitel> I was waiting for you to come by
16:22 <@JonnyH> I just want to keep the git history 'clean'
16:23 < Istrebitel> of course
16:23 < Istrebitel> I screwed up with that temp file
16:23 <@JonnyH> I use stuff like 'git blame' a lot :)
16:23 < Istrebitel> but I was going to ask, what do I do with debug code
16:23 <@JonnyH> #if 0
16:23 < Istrebitel> ah
16:23 < Istrebitel> I see
16:23 <@JonnyH> is a relatively standard way of disabling it
16:23 < Istrebitel> so if 0 is allowed but comment is not?
16:23 < Istrebitel> in main repo?
16:23 <@JonnyH> Or just remove it
16:24 <@JonnyH> It's likely you'll be able to re-add it quickly enough if tracking down the next issue
16:24 <@JonnyH> It's just a personal distaste thing, not a hard rule
16:24 < Istrebitel> I only leave code that I frequently need
16:24 < Istrebitel> like, that difficulty code
16:25 < Istrebitel> I need it to debug my stuff so there's no 5 threads ran at once but only 1
16:25 <@JonnyH> MAybe make it #ifndef NDEBUG
16:25 <@JonnyH> so 'debug' builds enable it?
16:25 < Istrebitel> erm, no, we both know debug aint working
16:25 < Istrebitel> I mean, is slow
16:25 <@JonnyH> It's fine on linux :P
16:25 < Istrebitel> well....
16:25 < Istrebitel> anyways
16:25 <@JonnyH> NDEBUG being defined for 'release' might be linux only too...
16:25 <@JonnyH> Not sure if msvc does that
16:26 < Istrebitel> so, when leaving debug code I'm frequently using, should I use if0?
16:26 <@JonnyH> TBH cleanup the xml and the temp files
16:26 < Istrebitel> or should I never leave debug code I'm frequently using?
16:26 <@JonnyH> and I would merge it with the commented out code
16:26 < Istrebitel> ok
16:26 <@JonnyH> Well, if it's frequency used it might be useful as a build option or something
16:26 < Istrebitel> I think commented makes more sense since it's less amount of lines
16:27 < Istrebitel> okay should I revert changes?
16:27 < Istrebitel> or just commit without this temp file?
16:27 <@JonnyH> Remove the tmp file ina  new commit
16:27 <@JonnyH> and if you regenerate all the xml with extractor.exe
16:27 <@JonnyH> it *should* change all the xml LOFTEMPS back?
16:27 <@JonnyH> I think?
16:27 <@JonnyH> And that can be yet another commit
16:28 <@JonnyH> IF I do a dquash merge it'll ignore any intermediate states in your branch
16:28 <@JonnyH> so if you change something and change it back, it'll be like it was never changed at all
16:28 <@JonnyH> dquash == squash :)
16:28 < Istrebitel> okay....
16:29 < Istrebitel> I will re-run extractor now
16:29 < Istrebitel> also, how do I not get those temp files commited?
16:29 <@JonnyH> If you scan over the file list for added files in github
16:29 <@JonnyH> for things that don't really belong
16:29 <@JonnyH> you can deselect them
16:29 <@JonnyH> Or add *.TMP to the .gitignore would also work?
16:30 <@JonnyH> Until we try to add a file properly that ends in .TMP (Though that's probably unlikely)
16:31 < Istrebitel> so I should manually look for tmp files and delted them
16:31 < Istrebitel> after running clang?
16:31 <@JonnyH> Sure
16:31 <@JonnyH> Every time when I add things to git
16:31 <@JonnyH> I have a quick scan over the files it wants to add/change
16:31 < Istrebitel> can't it... be autmoated somehow?
16:31 <@JonnyH> Probably? I've never seen any .TMP files appear when running clang-format myself
16:32 <@JonnyH> the .gitignore change will mean no .TMP files will show up in the github client at all
16:32 < Istrebitel> Okay, next question :P
16:32 <@JonnyH> which might be good enough
16:32 < Istrebitel> 	// scenery (seems related to strat imgs)
16:32 < Istrebitel> oops
16:32 < Istrebitel> 	// scenery (seems related to strat imgs)
16:32 <@JonnyH> oops
16:32 < Istrebitel> hmm, won't copypase
16:32 < Istrebitel> anyway
16:32 < Istrebitel> several maps will throw when trying to read their strat images
16:32 < Istrebitel> namely // "07CORPHQ", "15ACPOSH", "18HYDRO", "48GATE"
16:32 < Istrebitel> but also others
16:32 <@JonnyH> after my change to PCKSTRAT?
16:33 < Istrebitel> well I never tried todo it before your change
16:33 <@JonnyH> Yeah, the PCK 'happened' to work
16:33 <@JonnyH> it wasn't correct
16:33 < Istrebitel> but now I've loaded every map and several maps (like 1/3 of them) don't load stratmaps for scenery
16:33 < Istrebitel> (they do load for left, right and ground)
16:33 <@JonnyH> It just happened to be equivalent if every image starts at x=0 for every line
16:33 <@JonnyH> which is true for many strat tiles, but not all
16:33 <@JonnyH> Light be why feature fails, as they tend to be the 'middle' of the tile
16:34 <@JonnyH> so more likely to have skipped columns the beginning of the pck format...
16:34 < Istrebitel> okay, so we can't read them for now?
16:34 < Istrebitel> until we update our pck reader?
16:34 <@JonnyH> PCKSTRAT: seems to wrok for me
16:34 < Istrebitel> try to load any of these maps
16:34 <@JonnyH> I'll try those maps you mentioned to double-check
16:34 < Istrebitel> also I know for sure BASE won't load
16:35 <@JonnyH> BASE is a little different
16:35 <@JonnyH> as that is generated from your baselayout
16:35 < Istrebitel> I mean, base map's strat for scenery, I don't remember name
16:35 <@JonnyH> So might need some special handing
16:35 < Istrebitel> 36BASE or 37BASE
16:35 < Istrebitel> yeah I just meant it won't load strat images like others
16:36 <@JonnyH> E 7983882283 OpenApoc::sp<OpenApoc::PaletteImage> OpenApoc::loadStrategy(OpenApoc::IFile&): Writing to {636,1} in 8x8 stratmap image
16:36 <@JonnyH> Yeah, that's not right...
16:36 <@JonnyH> I'll look into that in a bit
16:36 <@JonnyH> I've gotta run for a meeting, I'll be back in a bit
16:36 < Istrebitel> ok
16:37 <@JonnyH> well, 'working' in a bit, but still online ;)
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16:50 < Istrebitel> okay, are you here?
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> hey
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I might just reduce that error to a warning for now
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> It looks like the stratmap sprites end up drawing outside the 8x8 box normally used for those tiles
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure if it's intentional or not...
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I reduced that error to a warning
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> It'll just ignore any pixels outside the 8x8 box now
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17:05 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vitTQ
17:05 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e2dfb7e Jonathan Hamilton: Just warn if a PCKSTRAT file has pixels outsize the 8x8 box...
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17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> It would be interesting to visually inspect the output of those tiles
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and compare against the original in dos
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and see if there are any differences
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be that it ends up writing pixels 'before' the normal 8x8 tile...
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> It might even be intentional
17:07 < Skin36> skin36 [19:55]
17:07 < Skin36> "DEMO" 2CA2a9
17:07 < Skin36> "TRAIN" 13680A
17:07 < Skin36> for tacp.exe
17:08 < Skin36> set 0 to 1 for active this mods
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: did you intend to remove all the contents of common_patch/gamestate/agent_equipment.xml?
17:11 < Istrebitel> yeah I'm going to be reading it soon
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> you removed it from the patch, but not from the generated patched versions?
17:12 < Istrebitel> erm...
17:12 < Istrebitel> thing is, generated ones are already coming from ufo2.exe
17:12 < Istrebitel> I just haven't commited the code yet
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, maybe split that out into a different commit then
17:12 < Istrebitel> It has a lot of comments since I'm still figuring out
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Leav ethe agent_equipment stuff for this version
17:13 < Istrebitel> well, if it's okay that agent equipment reading code has a lot of comments right now I can commit it
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> as if I rerun the extractor locally with that git commit it changes all the generated agent_equipment xml files
17:13 < Istrebitel> I'm in process of figuring out all the ofsets
17:13 < Istrebitel> oh
17:13 < Istrebitel> yes that's my bad
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> So i guess you didn't mean to remove it from the common_patch in this commit
17:14 < Istrebitel> so, can I commit a WIP agent equipment extraction code?
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> instead that removal should wait until your next one that does equipment extraction?
17:14 < Istrebitel> well, it can't really wait because locally the code already takes those values from exe and thus the xmls in diff folders will differ
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll merge it without the common_patch changes
17:14 < Istrebitel> so I'll upload different xmls rather than what you get locally
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> It should merge cleanly back into your branch anyway
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> if you've already made the same change
17:15 < Istrebitel> ok
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> all the LOS voxel maps seem to be empty too
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume that's still a work in progress :)
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> merged :)
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> thanks again
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17:17 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vitIN
17:17 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8301b96 Jonathan Hamilton: Squashed commit of the following:...
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17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> You're really powering ahead
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW I'm changing a bit of the GameState_Serialize stuff
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> so instead of the big mess in gamestate_serialize.cpp and hoping you get it right
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> you instead add any new GameState members to an xml file instead
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/gamestate_serialize_generated/game/state/gamestate_serialize.xml
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Hopefully cleaner
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and allows us to autogenerate patches
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and I'll resurrect my gui editor :)
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> It works for serializeIn now
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Some small tweaks needed for serailizeOut, but hopefully it should be transparent to your stuff
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll update the xml myself to match whatever's in gamestate_serialize when it's ready to merge
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> so just continue on using that for now
17:24 < Istrebitel> Yeah I have planned most of battlescape work right now
17:25 < Istrebitel> I approximated about... 272 work hours until we have a working (real time) battlescape (with no ai and only a single map, but everything working - units moving, shooting automatically, destruction, damage etc.)
17:26 < Istrebitel> So I hope to get it done in two months )
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> cool :)
17:26 < Skin36> yep
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> The number of hours I can actually spend on openapoc varies significantly and unexpectedly
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> So I have no idea when I'll finish anything I start... :(
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> but from a personal motivation point of view, having progress elsewhere can only help :)
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18:59 < Istrebitel> Anyone has any idea where to look for sounds, projectile images and "unit" types (that is, ones that have different damage resistance - human, hybrid, android, gun emplacement, etc)
19:03 < SupSuper> i think you can find some of those in j'ordos apoc tool
19:15 < Skin36> sounds in RAWSOUND folder
19:16 < Istrebitel> erm, where can I get the tool?
19:16 < Istrebitel> I only have XED
19:17 < Skin36> projectile images in ufo2 hardcoded
19:18 < Skin36>   ufo2p.exe
19:19 < Skin36> http://www.strategycore.co.uk/files/apocd/
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19:50 < pmprog_laptop> Hey kids
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> hello old man
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
19:51 < pmprog_laptop> Hiya JonnyH`Work. How's things?
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Good I guess
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel's charging through styff
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> making me look lazy
19:52 < pmprog_laptop> Well, hate to think what he makes me look like then ;-)
19:53 < pmprog_laptop> Glad to hear there's still progress though
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> You can now look around the battlescape :D
19:54 < pmprog_laptop> That's amazing
19:55 < pmprog_laptop> Going to make a post on Facebook. Any other interesting notes?
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe a screenshot?
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> If you can built it yourself it's a temporary button in the ingameoptions menu
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm working on geneating the serialization stuff
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> then I'll resurrect my editor
19:57 < SupSuper> hey pmprog_laptop
19:57 < pmprog_laptop> Hiya SupSuper. How's things?
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> JonnyH`Work:
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> Entering 'dependencies/miniz'
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> Username for 'https://github.com':
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> Password for 'https://github.com':
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> remote: Repository not found.
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh this old chestnut...
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> The minizin github I used was removed
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> and git submodules _really_ don't like being changed
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git submodule deinit dependencies/miniz'
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> 'rm -r .git/modules/dependencies/miniz'
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git submodule init'
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git submodule update'
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> should hopefully remove it and reset it to the new location
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> a massive PITA
20:01 < pmprog_laptop> Still wants a username/password for the https://
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> ...you might need a 'git pull' fater the rm
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise it won't point to the new place (as the first pull 'failed')
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/ufo-battlescape.png
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> is a screenshot anyway
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> 1080p goodness
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> If you don't have anything locally changes
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> It could be easier to delete the whole openapoc checkout
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> and re-clone... :(
20:04 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, I'm  just going to reclone
20:06 < pmprog_laptop> Something has gone nuts on this laptop. One url tried to open in Spriter, and another in Aesprite, rather than just using Firefox
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> ..oh
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> messed up your xdg mime types or something?
20:08 < pmprog_laptop> no idea. I don't understand how associations work on Linux
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> the problem is each desktop environment used to di it their own way
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> and some still kinda do
20:08 < SupSuper> i didn't even know linux had file associations
20:08 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: work driving me nuts, i'd rather work on openxcom and openapoc all day :p
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> it has mimetype associations
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> so no hiding your porn by renaming .jpg to .dat :P
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> that was an embarressing usb stick auto-preview...
20:09 < pmprog_laptop> SupSuper: My work is so mind numbing, I don't *want* to work on anything :-(
20:09 < SupSuper> so it has to decipher every file?
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> libmagic on every file, yeah
20:10 < SupSuper> that sounds awful
20:10 < pmprog_laptop> Surely there'd still be a protocol handler first (ie, checks http: over file:)
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> It's still faster than windows preview on the same laptop :P
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> if you do 'xdg-open http://google.com'
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> that's pretty much what the opening thing should do internally
20:11 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: well i just do things i wouldn't classify as work :p
20:11 < SupSuper> like i managed to add a whole news ticker to openapoc: http://puu.sh/qWB7G/e459883be8.gif
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm here....
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> and it no longer crashes sup!
20:11 < SupSuper> ?
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> The first time I tried it when you checked-in it insta-segfaulted :P
20:12 < SupSuper> oh
20:12 < pmprog_laptop> Awesome! Nice job on the ticker!
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> the 'last line doesn't check if there's actually another string before it starts scrolling' thingie :)
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I also finally pushed a CODE_STYLE.md too
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> so hopefully things are more consistent now
20:13 < pmprog_laptop> Nice one
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> brb
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20:17 < pmprog_laptop> Missed another Ludum Dare - Saw this on Itch, which looked quite good -- https://asmb.itch.io/no-marios-sky
20:22 < Pawlac> "you should buy their games"
20:22 < Pawlac> how about no
20:24 < pmprog_laptop> "Any likeness is coincidence" -- Bollocks
20:25 < pmprog_laptop> That's why Mario's name is in the title
20:25 < pmprog_laptop> Don't understand why people aren't just honest about things
20:26 < Pawlac> Nintendont law suit coming in 3...2..
20:26 < pmprog_laptop> Nar, they won't be bothered for something like that (though I could be wrong)
20:28 < Pawlac> Nintendont likes to fill alot of law suits
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> they're obliged to
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Trademarks are lost if you don't 'defend' them
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20:29 < pmprog_laptop> True
20:30 < pmprog_laptop> Wasn't sure if that was only related to "commecial" infringements
20:30 < pmprog_laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0RiMrfnjCY
20:30 < pmprog_laptop> This is an interesting vid on StarWars
20:37 < pmprog_laptop> Right, well, I'm off to bed. G'night everyone :)
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20:41 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: how am i supposed to know if it works in windows ;p
20:41 < SupSuper> i remember i had to add some checks at some points but i guess i missed one
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> it works now even through valgrind
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> so that's a pretty safe bet
20:42 < SupSuper> queues are kinda weird
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> front()returning a pointer is just weird
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> especially as there might not be anything in the queue
20:44 < SupSuper> well that's STL standard
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> It's probably so front() and back() can be used as iterators
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> when front() == back() it's empty
20:44 < SupSuper> isn't  that what begin() and end() are for?
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug*
20:45 < SupSuper> i looked it up and it returns a reference, not a pointer. so it's even weirder?
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> so it can't even be NULLPTr
20:46 < SupSuper> c++: when in doubt, it's undefined behavior :p
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> c++: It's undefined behaviour
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> -fsanitize is a life saver, honestly
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I wonder if the new msvc-with-clang supports that?
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21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> heh, pmprog just put the link to my server on facebook
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> not uploaded the image itself
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> wondered where those funny connections were coming from
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23:36 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/gamestate_serialize_generated
23:36 <@JonnyH`Work> thoughts anyone?
23:37 <@JonnyH`Work> effectively replacing the game/state/gamestate_serialize.cpp hand written file with game/state/gamestate_serialize.xml
23:37 <@JonnyH`Work> and a generator program
23:37 <@JonnyH`Work> (also replaces the UString->enum maps spread throughtout the codebase
23:37 <@JonnyH`Work> )
23:41 < SupSuper> but does it blend? :o
23:41 <@JonnyH`Work> do, we use opengl for blending
23:41 <@JonnyH`Work> It's 'functionally' equivalent to the current checked-in master
23:41 <@JonnyH`Work> other than a working operator== for all the gamestate stuff
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and next step is at serializeOut time don't bother writing nodes that have 'default' values
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> (hence all the unused 'ref' values pased around, they're the reference for that :)
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> TODO: Figure out how to autogenerate source files in msvc :)
23:42 < SupSuper> prebuild step?
23:45 < SupSuper> apparently only issue is getting them added to the project: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4098103/auto-generated-c-file-in-the-pre-build-not-included-in-the-compilation
23:45 < SupSuper> you either use dummy files or a project wildcard
23:45 < SupSuper> so yeah, tricky :p
23:46 < SupSuper> also i don't see any gamestate_serialize.xml did you add it to git?
23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH we could check in the result
23:47 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/gamestate_serialize_generated/game/state/gamestate_serialize.xml
23:47 < SupSuper> weird
23:47 < SupSuper> yeah they could be checked in, just add a /// THIS FILE IS AUTOGENERATED DON'T BOTHER EDITING IT at the top ;)
23:48 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/gamestate_serialize_generated/tools/gamestate_serialize_gen/main.cpp#L161
23:48 <@JonnyH`Work> It's just 'easy' to make a cmake rule that has dependencies on the xml (and the tool .cpp)
23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I could make it output into ${SOURCE_DIR} instead of ${BUILD_DIR} and it can be checked in
23:49 < SupSuper> reminds me of a codegenerator we use at work: http://www.codesmithtools.com/product/generator
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> a lot of time my 'code generator' is a couple of grep/seds piped together
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> and some vim macros :)
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Of course, once generated there's not really a 'source' you can use for repeatable generation
23:51 <@JonnyH`Work> $3000for a commercial license?
23:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm in the wrong sector...
23:52 < SupSuper> :p
23:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll bang something together with a couple of python scripts
23:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Bam
23:52 <@JonnyH`Work> $3000 please
23:53 < SupSuper> well it's not just a code generator, but a code generator generator
23:53 <@JonnyH`Work> you could write a python script that outputs python scripts :P
23:54 < SupSuper> you write templates that get turned into code that your application can run on its own to generate the actual final output code
23:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm sure there's a million extra useful things
23:54 < SupSuper> but that's not enterprisey!
23:54 <@JonnyH`Work> but my 'day job' rarely calls for such autogeneration
23:55 < SupSuper> yeah my day job is literally working on tools that turn one code into another
23:55 < SupSuper> so there's many many layers of codegen :p
23:55 < SupSuper> that or clients driving us insane, whichever comes first
23:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Kernel stuff is _really_ simple honestly
23:56 < SupSuper> just look at all the buzzwords, doesn't it sell you on the enterpriseness: https://morphis-tech.com/
23:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Thats what's difficult about it, leave your fancy abstractions at the door ;)
23:56 <@JonnyH`Work> An idiot can do it fine
23:56 <@JonnyH`Work> (Case in point: I still have a job)
23:57 <@JonnyH`Work> wow, that's enterprise
23:57 < SupSuper> i know!
23:57 < SupSuper> (we're actually tiny shhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone)
23:57 <@JonnyH`Work> the font changed 3 times during loading, probably as different css was randomly overwritten by questionable javascript
23:57 <@JonnyH`Work> delphi?
23:57 <@JonnyH`Work> _COBOL_?
23:57 <@JonnyH`Work> where are you working? The 1980s?
23:58 < SupSuper> no but our clients are :p there's big business in porting ancient history
23:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess
23:58 <@JonnyH`Work> It's getting hard to find C programmers...
23:59 < SupSuper> you gotta filter by beards
23:59  * JonnyH`Work doesn't have a beard...
23:59 <@JonnyH`Work> The oldest guy on our team is 33
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00:00 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure what that means...
00:00 < SupSuper> how you're gonna get c neckbeards setting that kind of example!
00:00 <@JonnyH`Work> damn, gotta grow out the UNIX beard
00:00 <@JonnyH`Work> You're not a 'guru' unless you can get it caught in your belt
00:00 < SupSuper> https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/blogs/wiredenterprise/wp-content/uploads//2012/06/beard-programmers-final-two.png
00:01 <@JonnyH`Work> you're clean shaven then?
00:01 <@JonnyH`Work> And the only reason the php/ruby guys have stubble is caus they're homeless and can't afford a razor :P
00:01 < SupSuper> depends on the time of day, i switch between java and c# a lot :p
00:01 <@JonnyH`Work> and I wouldn't lump C and Java together
00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> so you have a weird half-beard
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00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> like twoface
00:02 < SupSuper> i think it's actually derived off the programming language *creators*, thus the weird discrepancy
00:03 < SupSuper> old nerds were very posh
00:03 <@JonnyH`Work> but when C was created it was all 'professional business' guys
00:03 <@JonnyH`Work> just they got older
00:04 < Think> Huh, you learn something new everyday.
00:04 <@JonnyH`Work> I was discussing this with another dev recently
00:05 <@JonnyH`Work> In the bay area certainly, a certain amount of 'unprofessional' cloathing (ragged band t-shirts, faded jeans etc.)
00:05 <@JonnyH`Work> is 'proof' I'm being employed for my skills, not business reasons
00:06 < SupSuper> :p
00:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, I'm off
00:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I might try to merge in that if I can fix msvc
00:06 <@JonnyH`Work> and rebase against Istrebitel's latest state changes
00:06 <@JonnyH`Work> but meh... have a good evening
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00:06 < SupSuper> http://thestudentreview.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Dennis-Ritchie.jpg god the c creator is scary
00:07 < SupSuper> well, was
00:08 < SupSuper> meanwhile linus is distinctively against the norm: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/08/LinuxCon_Europe_Linus_Torvalds_05.jpg
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11:29 < kkmic> What is the "Cells" base facility? I don't remember it to be in the original game
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12:21 < Istrebitel> It was disabled
12:21 < Istrebitel> Original had many unimplemented things. This is one of them. Advanced Alien Containment. Is another base facility. Then you have dimension destabilisers, forcewebs etc
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14:40 < kkmic> Yeah, I know that there was a grand plan for Apocalypse, way more features than what got implemented in the end were planned
14:41 < kkmic> I've read a list somewhere, though I did not remembered the Cells facility
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15:04 <@JonnyH> It's probably part of the 'tracking VIPs' stuff
15:04 <@JonnyH> there's also a disabled 'tracking gun'
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16:03 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
16:04 < Istrebitel> Could you possibly help me later? I think I've messed up with image offsets
16:04 < Istrebitel> I've implemented tile selection in the battlescape
16:05 < Istrebitel> and it seems that the image I'm rendering is shifted to the side
16:05 < Istrebitel> because the tile that is supposed to be under mouse is actually not there but shifted to the left and up
16:05 < Istrebitel> Could you take a look, after I finish it and make a pull request?
16:05 < Istrebitel> It's perfectly working otherwise
16:06 < Istrebitel> And I've figured out how to render objects within 1 layer properly  (using BattleTileObjectZComparer class I just check for types and order them accordingly )
16:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Are you doing selection with the voxel maps?
16:09 <@JonnyH`Work> If so, the 'f6' key should output a png of the voxel 'view'
16:10 <@JonnyH`Work> if you compare this with a screenshot ('f5') you should see if they don't like up
16:10 <@JonnyH`Work> line up..
16:19 < Istrebitel> no, I'm doing selection howthe game does it
16:19 < Istrebitel> the game just checks where the mouse points at, in the current layer
16:19 < Istrebitel> whichever ground tile it points to, that's what's considered selected
16:20 < Istrebitel> that is for tactical only of course
16:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Does it do image bounds with transparent pixels etc.?
16:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, the tacmap is 'easy' :P
16:20 <@JonnyH`Work> actually, no thought you meant 'stratmap' - that would be easy
16:20 <@JonnyH`Work> the isometric stuff might be harder
16:21 <@JonnyH`Work> But I guess as the tacmap selects the 'tile' not individual objects it's a bit different from the city
16:21 < Istrebitel> yes
16:21 < Istrebitel> it's just the tile
16:22 < Istrebitel> who's ground is under mouse
16:22 < Istrebitel> so it's easy to selet all right
16:22 < Istrebitel> you just get tile that's under mouse
16:22 < Istrebitel> okay
16:22 < Istrebitel> voxel view
16:22 < Istrebitel> what are those... sticks?
16:22 <@JonnyH`Work> 'sticks'?
16:23 < Istrebitel> erm
16:24 < Istrebitel> http://imgur.com/a/PbQVO
16:24 < Istrebitel> here
16:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess the tileview sees objects there then :P
16:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks like the grounds
16:29 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. tile {0,0,0} has GD_46
16:29 <@JonnyH`Work> which has 2x loftemps:6
16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> then 18 loftemps:0
16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/tacdata/loftemps/tacdata-loftemps/0.png
16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> which is that
16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess you actually mean 'if loftemps == 0, no loftemps'
16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> not 'loftemps:0' :P
16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> If it's like the city, loftemps:0 isn't actually used
16:31 <@JonnyH`Work> (and it's an exact repeat of loftemps:1 in the tacdata, so probably just 'unused' data :)
16:31 < Istrebitel> you mean I have bug in my code?
16:31 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, the extractor
16:31 <@JonnyH`Work> extract_battlescape_stuff.cpp
16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> should have 'if(entry.loftemps_lof[slice] == 0) emptystring
16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> as '0' is a magic value to say 'no layer'
16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> not 'loftemps index zero'
16:33 <@JonnyH`Work> See, these debug features are useful :P
16:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Even if they don't tell you the result you expected
16:33 < Istrebitel> erm, I copied your code I think?
16:33 < Istrebitel> tile->voxelMap = mksp<VoxelMap>(Vec3<int>{32, 32, 16});
16:33 < Istrebitel> 		for (unsigned z = 0; z < 16; z++)
16:33 < Istrebitel> 		{
16:33 < Istrebitel> 			auto lofString = UString::format("LOFTEMPS:xcom3/UFODATA/" + lofFile +
16:33 < Istrebitel> 			                                     ".DAT:xcom3/UFODATA/" + lofFile + ".TAB:%d",
16:33 < Istrebitel> 			                                 (int)entry.voxelIdx[z]);
16:33 < Istrebitel> 			tile->voxelMap->slices[z] = fw().data->loadVoxelSlice(lofString);
16:33 < Istrebitel> 		}
16:34 < Istrebitel> object->voxelMapLOF = mksp<VoxelMap>(Vec3<int>{32, 32, 20});
16:34 < Istrebitel> 		for (int slice = 0; slice < 20; slice++)
16:34 < Istrebitel> 		{
16:34 < Istrebitel> 			auto lofString =
16:34 < Istrebitel> 			    UString::format("LOFTEMPS:%s:%s:%u", loftempsFile.cStr(), loftempsTab.cStr(),
16:34 < Istrebitel> 			                    (unsigned int)entry.loftemps_lof[slice]);
16:34 < Istrebitel> 			auto loftemp = fw().data->loadVoxelSlice(lofString);
16:34 < Istrebitel> 			if (!loftemp)
16:34 < Istrebitel> 			{
16:34 < Istrebitel> 				LogError("Failed to open voxel slice \"%s\"", lofString.cStr());
16:34 < Istrebitel> 				return;
16:34 < Istrebitel> 			}
16:34 < Istrebitel> 			object->voxelMapLOF->slices[slice] = loftemp;
16:34 < Istrebitel> 		}
16:34 <@JonnyH`Work> That happens to work in the city
16:34 <@JonnyH`Work> as ufodata/loftemps:0 is 'empty'
16:34 < Istrebitel> I see
16:34 < Istrebitel> thanks
16:34 <@JonnyH`Work> but it probably should actaully be unused
16:35 < Istrebitel> soo I should loadVoxelSlice("")?
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Or just leave that slices[z] empty
16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> a VoxelMap defaults to 'empty'
16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> or it should.. :P
16:38 < Istrebitel> okay, so, are we sure tactical loftemps are 32x32?
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> the loftemps file format contains the layer size
16:39 < Istrebitel> so we're sure?
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> there's some things in the city that aren't
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Like weirdly the hoverbike is 32x64
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm not sure at this time how to handle that
16:40 <@JonnyH`Work> but all the tac ones I've looked at are 32x32
16:40 < Istrebitel> you mean, every layer has a size?
16:40 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, but I don't know how we can handle different sizes in the same 'stack'...
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> so VoxelMap::setSlices rejects differently sized stacks
16:41 < Istrebitel> okay is the format defined somwhere?
16:41 < Istrebitel> I wanna check the tactical layer sizes
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> The images in http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/extracted/tacdata/loftemps
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> are sized using the saves sizes
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> but otherwise, see framework/apocresources/loftemps.cpp
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> each layer starts with {uint32_t width, uint32_t height}
16:45 < Istrebitel> oh, they're mostly 24x24
16:45 < Istrebitel> I wonder why did they actually read if I'm using wrong size
16:46 < Istrebitel> i mean, they're ALL 24x24
16:46 < Istrebitel> and I was setting size to 32x32
16:47 < Istrebitel> shouldn't it have resulted inblank loftemps?
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, it only rejects in setSlice()
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> but you just set [z] directly
16:49 < Istrebitel> I see
16:49 < Istrebitel> okay another question
16:49 < Istrebitel> the collision code is definetly not working
16:49 < Istrebitel> because the sizes defined there are incorrect
16:49 < Istrebitel> what should I change to make it work?
16:49 < Istrebitel> could you look at the code and tell?
16:49 < Istrebitel> its in voxel.cpp:53
16:49 < Istrebitel> in game/state/tileview
16:51 <@JonnyH`Work> tileSize should probably be {24,24,20}
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> that's causing all the tiles to be 1/2 height
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and 1/2 the x size tehy should be
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> hence the 'gaps' in the floor you see in the f6 image
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> (ignoring the sticks :)
16:52 < Istrebitel> sticks are gone now
16:54 < Istrebitel> okay dumping again
16:54 < Istrebitel> nope, that shrunk the space
16:55 < Istrebitel> let me see
16:55 < Istrebitel> point is in the coordinates of the tiles
16:55 < Istrebitel> so we must divide it by tile size
16:55 < Istrebitel> so tileSize must remain the same
16:55 < Istrebitel> oh
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> did you change tileSizef too?
16:56 < Istrebitel> the code then uses point to find the voxelPos
16:56 < Istrebitel> erm... no
16:56 < Istrebitel> okay, I'll ty to change both
16:57 < Istrebitel> magic!
16:57 < Istrebitel> it works
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> the f6 screenshot thing always draws from the top
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> so should always show the top of the ufo's voxels, even if you're only viewing a lower layer
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> We could probably change that by altering the start z of each ray
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> If you wanted :)
16:58 < Istrebitel> yes
16:58 < Istrebitel> I noticed
16:59 < Istrebitel> that's fine for now
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW I got my 'new' gamestate_serialize stuff working on windows last night
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll merge that soon
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> It shouldn't affect you though
16:59 < Istrebitel> erm... how's that?
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> just if you add new fields to seialize you modify an xml, not the source directly
17:01 < Istrebitel> okay, I'll figure it out before making a pull req
17:02 < Istrebitel> okay so I fixed that
17:02 < Istrebitel> collitison should go properly now
17:02 < Istrebitel> however, I'm still getting a little bit off results
17:03 < Istrebitel> I am using the following code to convert mouse coords into tile
17:03 < Istrebitel> this->screenToTileCoords(
17:03 < Istrebitel> 		    Vec2<float>(e->mouse().X, e->mouse().Y) - screenOffset, currentZLevel - 1)
17:03 < Istrebitel> I suppose this then should be pointing me to the tile that's under the mouse
17:03 < Istrebitel> oh
17:03 < Istrebitel> I see now
17:04 < Istrebitel> why it's happening so
17:04 < Istrebitel> another question then
17:04 < Istrebitel> instead of that one
17:04 < Istrebitel> In XCom, typical ground height is 3, and it seems to be the "default" ground level. Cursor's bottom is drawn on this level.
17:05 < Istrebitel> so, should I just offset the mouse-to-tile coordinates by 3 (and offset selection grid display) to compensate, or should I do it differently?
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> you mean there are 3 'loftemps' slices before the 'ground' level?
17:05 < Istrebitel> erm no
17:06 < Istrebitel> I mean the cursor is displayed 3 loftemps above 0
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure
17:06 < Istrebitel> and thus, mouse selection is based on z level of 3/20 not 0/20
17:06 < Istrebitel> and thus the formula above gives a l;ittle bit incorrect results
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe ask supsuper if previous xcoms have somethig similar
17:06 < Istrebitel> I could just add 3 there
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe adding a tile height 'offset' is the best idea
17:07 < Istrebitel> well, no matter how hight the ground of the tile is
17:07 < Istrebitel> this thing doesn't change
17:07 < Istrebitel> the cursor still displays on that altitude
17:08 < Istrebitel> so it makes sense to just change the code that locates selected tile based on mouse position
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17:08 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f3c5d8a Jonathan Hamilton: Remove set<sp<>> use from City...
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17:08 < Istrebitel> is that ok?
17:08 <@JonnyH`Work> sure, go ahead and tweak the battlescape map's tile/screen conversion
17:08 < Istrebitel> oh
17:08 < Istrebitel> that's another way of doing it
17:08 < Istrebitel> which is better?
17:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I thought that was what you meant :P
17:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Go for whatever you feel is best
17:09 < Istrebitel> nope, should not do that
17:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I've not looked deeply enough in the battlescape stuff myself to really suggest which is better
17:09 < Istrebitel> it's used in voxel dumping
17:09 < Istrebitel> and if I change that it means voxels will stop being aligned
17:09 < Istrebitel> I guess only cursor selection is affect3ed
17:10 < Istrebitel> so only cursor selection should be changed
17:10 < Istrebitel> rright
17:10 <@JonnyH`Work> ok, so just adding (3/20) to the z returned for that with the cursor is sufficient?
17:11 < Istrebitel> yes, 4 gives best result with the cursor ofthe game actually (visually I mean)
17:11 < Istrebitel> this->screenToTileCoords(
17:11 < Istrebitel> 		    Vec2<float>(e->mouse().X, e->mouse().Y+4) - screenOffset, currentZLevel - 1)
17:11 < Istrebitel> so that is the formula then to get the selected tile in the event handling
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, so that's 4 pixels
17:11 < Istrebitel> well I think it's 3
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Not 'magical tile z units' :P
17:11 < Istrebitel> but the cursor of the game is a bit dark on the end
17:11 < Istrebitel> so it's better to have 4
17:12 < Istrebitel> that way it visually suits better
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> sure, tweak away
17:12 < Istrebitel> ok
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Just leave a comment on what that '+4' means
17:12 < Istrebitel> oh
17:12 < Istrebitel> I know why it's 4
17:12 < Istrebitel> its because there';s no "0" in battescape
17:12 < Istrebitel> 0 means height of 1
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's actually 3 'units'
17:13 < Istrebitel> that's why i need 4
17:13 < Istrebitel> well, height of a battlescape object can be 0 to 39
17:13 < Istrebitel> where 0 means 1 pixel high and 39 means 40 pixels high
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Gotta run for a meeting, brb
17:13 < Istrebitel> ok
17:35 < Istrebitel> until I manually built gamestate_serialize_gen, it threw an error at built, because it tried to launch the exe that was not present
17:36 < Istrebitel> I guess build order or something should be changed?
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> It should have that as a referenced project...
17:37 < Istrebitel> well I treid to buuild OpenApoc
17:37 < Istrebitel> and the error came out
17:37 < Istrebitel> after I manually built that
17:37 < Istrebitel> no error
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> 'clean' and rebuild?
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I quite thoroughtly tested all the subparts
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> even 'just' building GameSTate
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> and it seemed ot work
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> so I'd like to know if it's a real issue
17:38 < Istrebitel> ok
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> or just something like 'old' build files still being around and confusing things
17:40 < Istrebitel> okay doing it
17:44 < Istrebitel> yes
17:44 < Istrebitel> it worked
17:45 < Istrebitel> well VS is notorious for screwing up
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I added it as a refence to the GameSTate project
17:45 < Istrebitel> when I worked on big-big C# project I had to clean before every build manually
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I believe 'should 'require it to be built first
17:45 < Istrebitel> even "rebuild" wouldn't help! I had to "clean" manually even though "Rebuild" is supposed to clean!
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise what does it mean :P
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> An I added it as a build step triggered 'before clcompile'
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> so it should regenerate before any source files are actualyl built
17:47 < Istrebitel> okay, seems legit, merged, evertyihing runs fine
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Cool
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> So, I'm going to go through and remove the UString->enum maps too
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> as they're replaced by the generated code too
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> but I've not done that yet, so they're unused but stil around
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> But if you add a new thing that needs serializing, modify the xml instead
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Hopefully it's simple enough to understand :)
17:50 < Istrebitel> okay, made a pull request
17:50 < Istrebitel> or...
17:50 < Istrebitel> actualy it told me to update my old one
17:50 < Istrebitel> I guess?
17:51 < Istrebitel> anyways, pull request #84 is ready
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC pull requests are attached to github branches
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> you update the branch, it 'updates' the pull request
17:52 < Istrebitel> I see
17:52 < Istrebitel> I guess since you haven't merged that yet
17:52 < Istrebitel> it just got updated
18:00 < Istrebitel> anyway, you can take it
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18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> hey sup
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I merged in my gamestate stuff
18:16 < SupSuper> hey
18:16 < SupSuper> :o
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I added a 'custom build' step in msvc
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> it seems to work
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> but Istrebitel had some dependency issues until he did a clean rebuild
18:17 < SupSuper> i'll have a look
18:52 < SupSuper> works fine here, though you forgot to quote your paths again :p
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> *sigh*
18:53 < SupSuper> this is why i keep every project in a path with spaces and unicode characters
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> This is why I don't :P
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18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Or do what cmake does
18:54 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SupSuper pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vimHS
18:54 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ac10f21 SupSuper: Quotes for the quote god
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18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> and all expanded paths are quoted by default
18:54 < SupSuper> fine go back to your C:\PROJ~1\OPENAPOC\
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> c:\xcom3
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> more than 1 directory depth isn't supported by msdos 3
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's a compatibility issue
18:55 < SupSuper> is that why there were so many games that only worked in c:\
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> or they were just lazy
18:56 < SupSuper> well that's every game still writing to c:\windows\games, c:\my documents, c:\documents and settings, etc etc
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Linux is better and worse
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> It's never been ok to write outside the user directory, so people don't do c:\windows\stuff equivalent
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> but in the home directory it seems open season on whatever bs they felt like at the time
18:58 < SupSuper> and every distro still has their own preferred paths without really documenting them
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> there's 'one' xdg standard though
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> but that still depends on interpretation
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> is history a 'setting' or a 'cache'?
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Or 'local data'?
19:00 < SupSuper> and most users don't know about it or how to look it up
19:00 < SupSuper> windows has clearly documented and apiable paths... so everyone is free to ignore them because windows will just sigh and do the right thing either way :p
19:01 < SupSuper> the open season is the "documents" directory, since it's the one user folder you can lazily assume every windows has and treat it like garbage
19:01 < SupSuper> i guess the moral here is developers never change?
19:02 < SupSuper> (openxcom also writes to documents by default... because it's the one place users know where it is)
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> not %APPDATA%/Roaming?
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> so my saves won't automatically get distributed with my AD profile?
19:03  * JonnyH`Work starts writing bug report
19:03 < SupSuper> the horror :p
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> You no longer support NT 3.51?
19:04  * JonnyH`Work starts writing bug report
19:04 < SupSuper> i mean there's even an actual SAVED GAMES folder where you can put your GAMES STUFF that developers have completely squandered
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> wasn't taht introduced with the vista 'game explorer' stuff?
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> So no wonder nobody wanted to be associated with that
19:05 < SupSuper> yup, and just like it it died a horrible death :p
19:05 < SupSuper> pity the poor interns that went to the trouble of writing up game explorer profiles and exe checks for every single pre-vista windows game
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20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> There are a few places where we don't correctly init all members in constructors
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> so I might go through and replace constructors with in-class initialisaers
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> as then its 'really obvious' if you miss something :)
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Then I'll enable the serializeOut 'ref' check
20:10 < SupSuper> isn't an in-class initializer still a constructor?
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, but it's a magic pre-constructor the compiler has to sort out internally
20:12 < SupSuper> i can have resharper tell you all the occurances if you want
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I already have valgrind telling me :)
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I could fix them one by one
20:13 < SupSuper> man i never get to use resharper :p
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> or go through and remove all GAmeState object constructors
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> If resharper has a mode for that go ahead
20:17 < Shadow> Hello!
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Hello!
20:17 < Shadow> How you doing?
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Doing 'bad things' to code again
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm a crime against nature
20:17 < Shadow> so day as usual
20:17 < Shadow> you say?
20:17 < Shadow> :D
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Just be glad you don't work with me
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I've just checked in something that's "Extemely Clever"
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> AKA batshit crazy and amazing it even works
20:18 < SupSuper> it's c, isn't it :p
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> well,yeah :P
20:20 < SupSuper> hmmm i dunno what to work on now
20:20 < Shadow> I see you made lots of things when I was back
20:20 < SupSuper> ground vehicles kinda took my inertia :p
20:25 < Shadow> I'm working on inventory
20:25 < Shadow> just had a beak
20:25 < Shadow> break
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Cool
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> If you had work in progress my serialization change might conflict
20:26 < Shadow> bah
20:26 < Shadow> it was one of most terrible conflicts
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> the gist being 'no longer modify gamestate_serialize.cpp, there's an xml file instead'
20:26 < Shadow> in my life
20:26 < Shadow> maybe I haven't seen much
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> So it might just be easier to throw any gamestate_serialize.cpp changes out and do the same to the xml
20:26 < Shadow> but well
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> it's hopefully pretty simpel...
20:27 < Shadow> haven't touched that yet
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Also I'm removing the string->enum maps
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> as that's now in the xml too
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I've just not yet removed all the old code
20:27 < Shadow> uhm
20:28 < Shadow> i've moved em around
20:28 < Shadow> and changed a bit
20:28 < Shadow> hopefuly I'll get over that
20:38 < SupSuper> Shadow: why aren't you in the trello? :p
20:38 < Shadow> ??
20:38 < SupSuper> https://trello.com/b/lX5Y3DwR/openapoc !!
20:39 < SupSuper> i don't see anyone assigned on inventory
20:39 < Shadow>  och no
20:39 < Shadow> trello :()
20:39 < SupSuper> i have the only card with a green checkmark, i win :o
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> can't have that...
20:40  * JonnyH`Work tries to think of new task in 'messsage histroy'
20:52 < Shadow> btw
20:52 < Shadow> equipment worked perfectly?
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> you mean vehicle equipment?
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> as far as I know, placement was working fine
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> and it would add in effects for general equipment
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> The origin points for bullets is 'wrong'
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> as is the speed/damage for the bullets
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> and homing stuff doesn't home
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> The accuracy isn't applied correctly (though skin recently figured out how that all worked, just need to implement it)
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> for engines, mass & acceleration is all calculated
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> but the 'speed' value likely doesn't correctly relate to the actual velocity of the craft in-map
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> similarly, there is no acceleration (Everything is instantly up to speed)
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> so yeah, working perfectly :)
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21:06 < Shadow> ok thanks
21:07 < Shadow> looks like i've done it
21:07 < Shadow> wohoo
21:08 < Shadow> well except game serialization stuff
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
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21:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e646d78 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix some unset values in default constructed gamestate objects
21:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8790164 Jonathan Hamilton: gamestate_serialize: Enable comparison against ref value at serializeOut...
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21:12 < SupSuper> btw how is "= default" different from just omitting it?
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> same unless you have another constructor
21:13 < SupSuper> right so it's just to override the override
21:14 < SupSuper> ie. you took away all my defaults but i wanted to keep some of them
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> did I?
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> such as?
21:14 < SupSuper> sorry i meant "you" as the compiler :p
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, I was a bit confused there :P
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> 'Dey took our -jerbs- constructors!'
21:15 < SupSuper> i am terribly third-persony
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> there's 'me' and 'everything else'
21:15 < SupSuper> i blame english's lack of proper third-person-ness
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I blame you
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Personally
21:16 < SupSuper> :<
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22:01 < Shadow> https://github.com/ShadowDancer/OpenApoc/commit/d99b37c1e5b9b9d6bb3aae5f51aea509d4be1039
22:01 < Shadow> I dislike new file names
22:02 < Shadow> and probably stats will need to be reworked for human agents, as they have more variables
22:02 < Shadow> but overall I am happy with it
22:04 < Shadow> Esp VehicleEquipment that is subclass of Inventory, and VEquipment - EquipmentType
22:05 < Shadow> I guess that I'll have to refactor that
22:06 < Shadow> also abstracted away place that something is in, so eqscreen should work seamlessly with agents and vehicles
22:06 < Shadow> just need to put in logic like stores etc
22:12 < Shadow> gn
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23:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0d2977b Jonathan Hamilton: City tile '0' voxel layers are empty...
23:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master b36926e Jonathan Hamilton: Unused argument warning fixes
23:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e438179 Jonathan Hamilton: Add initial map serialize minimisation...
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19:08 < Skin36_> hi
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19:09 <@JonnyH> hi there
19:10 < Skin36_> what mean sls,smp,sob,sdt,sec files ?
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19:11 <@JonnyH> I know the sec file has the ize of each map in it
19:12 <@JonnyH> The smp is the map listing the tiles in each map
19:12 <@JonnyH> sorrt, the .sdt has the size
19:12 <@JonnyH> I don't really know much about the others
19:12 <@JonnyH> sob is 'probably' objects
19:13 <@JonnyH> but I don't know the details
19:13 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/tools/extractors/extract_battlescape_map.cpp
19:14 <@JonnyH> I seem to remember someone saying the sls had something to do with line of sight
19:14 <@JonnyH> but again don't know any details, or even if that is correct
19:14 < Skin36> these files formed tactikal.map
19:15 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel has done a fair bit on reading the smp
19:15 < Skin36> in ufo2p.exe
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16:34 < Skin36> hi
16:34 <@JonnyH> Hi
16:35 < Skin36> we have som progres )
16:35 <@JonnyH> Cool :D
16:36 < Skin36> I found the editor tactical maps, and now we know the structure of map objects
16:36 <@JonnyH> excellent!
16:36 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-1tfn6TNsQ/
16:37 <@JonnyH> where did you find that?
16:39 < Skin36> Tacedit, I just forgot about it
16:39 < Pawlac> damn thats a complicated map editor
16:40 <@JonnyH> programmer UI :P
16:41 < Skin36> yes , from MYTHOS
16:41 <@JonnyH> 0-5: dneswu 11-14/21-24: flt/ftr to nesw'
16:41 < Pawlac> speaking of maps, does Apoc even have a random map generator?
16:41 <@JonnyH> I mean clearly not designed by a guy who cares about usability :P
16:41 <@JonnyH> Pawlac: Nope
16:41 < Pawlac> what a shame
16:41 <@JonnyH> It can stick 2 maps together in some situations though
16:42 <@JonnyH> but weas clearly planned to allow arbitray tiling, but not implemented
16:42 <@JonnyH> Or didn't work well and disabled :)
16:43 < Skin36> http://www.terrygreer.com/xcomapocalyse.html
16:43 < Skin36> amout apoc map
16:43 < Skin36> *about
16:46 < Pawlac> "arbitrary tiling" like tiles with different shape such as hexagonal instead of a cuboid?
16:46 <@JonnyH> no, I mean building the maps out of tiles
16:46 <@JonnyH> Like xcom2 does for some missions
16:46 <@JonnyH> Instead there are a number of 'fixed' maps
16:47 <@JonnyH> that are for the most part use straight off
16:47 <@JonnyH> I assume because if you just stuck tiles together randomly you'd end up with pretty crappy maps
16:48 <@JonnyH> Skin36: heh, we know the lof voxels aren't 4x4x4 :P
16:48 <@JonnyH> I guess they misremembered?
16:48 <@JonnyH> Unless there's another line of sight voxel set somewhere...
16:49 < Skin36>  :)
16:49 <@JonnyH> each map has a stored 'size', based on how many troops you sent/aliens there were
16:49 <@JonnyH> So some maps you only ever see if you send a small squad
16:50 <@JonnyH> Only if there was no map of sufficient size would it stick 2 together
16:50 <@JonnyH> I think I only ever saw it in slums late-game
16:50 < Skin36> even I wanted to talk about the animation units
16:51 < Skin36> files ad,ua,uf
16:51 <@JonnyH> I don't know much about them
16:53 < Skin36> ad like  tab, then in  ua*4*36, then offset in uf
16:53 < Skin36> I think that 36 is the number of ticks
16:56 <@JonnyH> makes sense
16:58 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-2tfn6TNt1/
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17:04 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #84: Battlescape collision and voxel data fixed and working, battlescape tile selection, beginning work at agent data extraction (master...master) https://git.io/v6hwX
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17:20 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/visKh
17:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master bd8824a Jonathan Hamilton:     Battlescape collision, voxels, selectable tile...
17:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 427f75b Jonathan Hamilton: Add new agent equipment extractor files to cmake
17:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 39a6187 Jonathan Hamilton: Regenerate difficulty_5...
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17:31 < TheSnide> Skin36: i'd be curious to see a hires version of the sprites
17:31 < TheSnide> at 4x the pixels size
17:32 < TheSnide> 16x more pix
17:37 < Skin36> hm
17:50 < Pawlac> dont "we" need the original models for that or something
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11:04 < Istrebitel> Hello! Can someone help me with templates sp<> and StateRef<>?
11:11 < Skin36_>  u need JonnyH
11:13 < Istrebitel> yeah I hoped someone else could
11:13 < Istrebitel> ok, I'll wait
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14:42 <@JonnyH> hey all
14:42 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: Still around?
14:43 < Istrebitel> Yes
14:43 <@JonnyH> having difficulty with shared_ptr<>s?
14:44 < Istrebitel> Well I have numerous questions for you
14:44 < Istrebitel> as you were not here for the weekends and I was busy ))
14:44 <@JonnyH> Sorry, it was holiday over here :)
14:44 < Istrebitel> yeah np
14:44 < Istrebitel> of course
14:45 < Istrebitel> I kinda figured those out I think
14:45 <@JonnyH> Cool
14:45 < Istrebitel> I was not getting what's the difference between sp and stateref
14:45 <@JonnyH> The reason I made a StateRef<> is for the serialization
14:45 < Istrebitel> so stateref, it's a class?
14:45 < Istrebitel> that contains string and gamestate?
14:45 <@JonnyH> So it saves out a STRING_REFERENCE
14:45 <@JonnyH> Yeah, it's just a way of referring to game objects by their STRING_NAME
14:46 <@JonnyH> Which needs a GameState pointer to lookup the name
14:47 <@JonnyH> a shared_ptr<> (aliased as sp<> in openapoc, as I couldn't be bothered typing it all the time)
14:47 <@JonnyH> is a reference counted pointer, so when the last sp<> pointing the same object is destroyed the object is deleted
14:47 < Istrebitel> yeah that i found out
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14:47 <@JonnyH> But that doesn't work well with the serializer, as it would have to match up all the sp<> that actually point to the same object
14:47 <@JonnyH> and somehow encode that info into the serialized out xml file
14:48 < Istrebitel> so, what I don't get yet is how does it interact together
14:48 < Istrebitel> I mean, I think I was able to pass a sp<> object where StateRef is required
14:48 < Istrebitel> is there some auto-conversion?
14:48 < Istrebitel> I think my function required StateRef, and I supplied sp, and there was no error
14:48 <@JonnyH> I have some lookup functions, so you can go from a STateRef<> to an sp<> and back
14:48 <@JonnyH> given a specific GameState
14:49 <@JonnyH> And those constructors should be auto-selected, so it'll be auto-converted from an sp<> to a StateRef<>
14:50 <@JonnyH> when it tries to convert a sp<> to a StateRef
14:50 <@JonnyH> what it does is it scans the tables of STRING->object maps
14:50 < Istrebitel> how does an sp know what gamestate to use?
14:50 <@JonnyH> (the StateRefMap<> objects in GameState)\
14:51 <@JonnyH> When the stateref is constructed it takes a GameState
14:51 <@JonnyH> Then you can assign a new sp<> to that, it'll assume it's the same GameState
14:51 < Istrebitel> a new sp to a value of type stateref
14:51 < Istrebitel> ?
14:51 < Istrebitel> and it will use gamestate it has?
14:51 <@JonnyH> Yeah, so if I do:
14:52 <@JonnyH> StateRef<Object>(myGameState);
14:52 <@JonnyH> ref = sp<Object>
14:52 <@JonnyH> (sorry, 'ref=StateRef<Object>(myGameState);' for the first :)
14:52 <@JonnyH> 'ref' will store the GameState in the first line, but not yet point at anything
14:53 < Istrebitel> hmm?
14:53 <@JonnyH> wait..no..that doesn't work, as there's no operator=(sp<>) - ignore me...
14:54 < Istrebitel> maybe it was just intellisense not showing error
14:54 < Istrebitel> I didn't actually try to compile it
14:54 <@JonnyH> actually, you shouldn't be able to create a new StateRef<> from just a sp<>
14:54 < Istrebitel> yeah I think so
14:54 <@JonnyH> It *has* to be a (GameStae, sp<>) pair
14:54 < Istrebitel> so you can create stateref from sp?
14:54 <@JonnyH> I've seen intellisense show different errors to the 'real' compiler :)
14:54 < Istrebitel> you don't have to do sp.getid?
14:55 < Istrebitel> you can do {&state, sp}?
14:55 <@JonnyH> Yeah, but with the StateRef(const GameSTate *state, sp<T> ptr) constructor
14:55 <@JonnyH> Yeah, {&state, sp} will choose that constructor
14:55 <@JonnyH> That will call T::getId() internally
14:55 <@JonnyH> to get the STRING name for the object
14:56 <@JonnyH> then store that
14:57 < Istrebitel> ah, I see
14:57 < Istrebitel> so, why when I dereference StateRef I get an object?
14:57 < Istrebitel> where is that logic coded?
14:58 <@JonnyH> I overloaded operator* and operator->
14:58 < Istrebitel> ah
14:58 < Istrebitel> makes sense now
14:58 < Istrebitel> okay next question :P
14:58 <@JonnyH> Generally, if you ever want to reference the 'same' data more than once in the GameState
14:59 < Istrebitel> do we have any idea about where projectile info and sprites are located in tacp.exe?
14:59 <@JonnyH> you have to use StateRef<>s
14:59 <@JonnyH> tacp? No, sorry
14:59 < Istrebitel> yeah I got it, only use sp when storing the ogbject
14:59 < Istrebitel> otherwise use stateref to reference it
14:59 <@JonnyH> sp<> will create a new 'copy' for each if you save/load the game :)
14:59 < Istrebitel> do we have any idae oftheir length?
14:59 < Istrebitel> how many of them?
14:59 <@JonnyH> So they'll point at 'different' objects
14:59 < Istrebitel> yeah I got that when tryign to serialise
15:00 <@JonnyH> :)
15:00 <@JonnyH> Generally I want to avoid sp<>s at all in the GameState
15:00 <@JonnyH> but we stil have some (like the Map stuff has the initial tiles in a list of sp<>)
15:01 <@JonnyH> Maybe Skin36_ has some idea?
15:01 < Istrebitel> well we have to store somewher?
15:01 <@JonnyH> I've not looked at tacp.exe at all myself
15:01 < Istrebitel> yes I asked him he said he'll look
15:01 < Istrebitel> I almost figured it out
15:01 < Istrebitel> just thought maybe you know
15:01 <@JonnyH> We have to store it somewhere, true
15:01 < Istrebitel> yea, about sp, we have to store
15:01 < Istrebitel> so we store in those maps, right?
15:01 < Istrebitel> and everywhere else we stateref
15:02 <@JonnyH> but if you store it in an sp<> nothing else can reference it ever
15:02 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I created the StateRefMap class to store the objects StateRef<> points to
15:02 <@JonnyH> but that's literally std::map<String, sp<ObjectType>>
15:03 <@JonnyH> just with a different name (so that serialize... function is called in favour of the generic map<KEy, Value> one)
15:03 < Istrebitel> okay, next question :P
15:03 < Istrebitel> do we know how to open pcks of animated units?
15:03 < Istrebitel> those that XED cannot open
15:03 < Istrebitel> and ptangs?
15:04 <@JonnyH> ptangs are the explosion animations, right? They open fine in the normal PCK reader
15:04 <@JonnyH> It's currently used for doodads
15:04 <@JonnyH> But the animation frame order/time of each etc. is not yet extracted
15:04 <@JonnyH> I just 'manually' added a coupleof explosions to test
15:04 <@JonnyH> IIRC Skin36_ was looking into that (the .ua/whatever files) the other day
15:05 <@JonnyH> but they're just 'normal' pck images I think
15:05 < Istrebitel> yeah those are offsets for what frames to use
15:05 < Istrebitel> I mean pcks themselves
15:05 < Istrebitel> like, XED reads gang members and spitters but not xcom soldiers opr anthropods or skeletoids
15:05 < Istrebitel> can we read those?
15:06 <@JonnyH> not sure... what files are they?
15:07 <@JonnyH> tacdata/alien/*?
15:08 < Istrebitel> tacdata/unit/*
15:08 <@JonnyH> I'll have a look in a bit
15:08 <@JonnyH> I've gotta go to work :)
15:11 < Istrebitel> ok
15:12 < Istrebitel> thanks
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15:15 <@JonnyH> huh, xcom1a at least has a header we've never seen before
15:15 <@JonnyH> so it doesn't read right now...
15:16 <@JonnyH> I'll look if it's actually a structural change, or if we're being too strict in checking the 'compression format' index
15:16 <@JonnyH> back in a bit, meeting ;)
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15:30 < Istrebitel> found projectiles
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16:28 < Istrebitel> btw, gamestate_serialize.h? is it still useD?
16:28 < Istrebitel> it's not icluded in the project
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16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, gamestate_serialize.h is still used
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Did I remove it from the msvc project? If so it was an accident :)
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW xcom1a.pck seems to contain 2 different pck formats
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> The first time I've ever seen that...
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> The first ~56 seem to be using xcom.blk lz-style dictionary
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> then offsetn 56 seems to use RLEA again?
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> If so I'm going to have to change a fair bit of the pck reader to allow that
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> plus it doesn't use a 4-byte tab index like the other files do
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> IE the 'real' byte offset in the pck is 4* the value in the tab in most other files
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> but in this it's just 1*
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> So no, we don't currently support the units pck formats
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> but we know what needs to be done :)
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> add it to trello and assign me, I'll fix it asap
17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Even then, my xcom.blk decoder seems to be mostly correct, but shows corrupt lines.. :(
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17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe it does something slightly differently to the files I tested on...
17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably some silly bug
17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll look at it this evening
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17:05 < Istrebitel> erm
17:05 < Istrebitel> does the version in pmprog/openapoc 's extractor works?
17:07 < Istrebitel> When I try to update from pmprog/master, extractor stops working for me. It fails on UString FileSystem::getCorrectCaseFilename(const UString &path)
17:07 < Istrebitel> on physfs_fs.cpp:303
17:07 < Istrebitel> 	std::lock_guard<std::recursive_mutex> l(this->pathCacheLock);
17:07 < Istrebitel> when it tries to load city
17:07 < Istrebitel> file CITYMAP5
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> ..it should work?
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> You're saying it blocks on that mutex?
17:13 < Istrebitel> it throws acces violation 0xc5
17:13 < Istrebitel> when trying to open citymap5 file
17:13 < Istrebitel> on that line
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> weird, I get no issues here...
17:13 < Istrebitel> when trying to change case
17:13 < Istrebitel> well thing is
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> This on win32?
17:14 < Istrebitel> yes
17:14 < Istrebitel> it's ridiculous
17:14 < Istrebitel> I click update
17:14 < Istrebitel> I get updates
17:14 < Istrebitel> i then discard changes on things that do not need changes
17:14 < Istrebitel> I am left with only UI files
17:14 < Istrebitel> (that obviously do not affect extracting)
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> huh?
17:14 < Istrebitel> and with cmake txt file
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> So if you update it starts a merge?
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> You *have* to cmplete that merge
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> you can't just revert specific files
17:14 < Istrebitel> erm... I mean update
17:15 < Istrebitel> the button "update from pmprog?
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, that should start a merge
17:15 < Istrebitel> okay
17:15 < Istrebitel> I can't build while merging???
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> When merging if it has conflicts it'sl likely it won't build
17:15 < Istrebitel> well
17:15 < Istrebitel> i cleared all conflicts
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Ok, then it *should* work?
17:16 < Istrebitel> yes, and it doesn,t in a wierd way
17:16 < Istrebitel> that's why I'm clueless
17:16 < Istrebitel> what to do
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> If you don't have any local work, your tree should look exactly the same as pmprog/master?
17:16 < Istrebitel> oh
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> IE 'git diff pmprog/master' returns nothing?
17:16 < Istrebitel> I guess I found out why
17:17 < Istrebitel> For some reason, if there's an invalid XML in common patch
17:17 < Istrebitel> it can happen
17:17 < Istrebitel> dunno why exactly it happens this way, access violation in a lock
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I had an issue where your branch had some invalid xml in the difficulty5_patched/ directory...
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe the same issue?
17:18 < Istrebitel> well
17:19 < Istrebitel> oh, it was me?
17:19 < Istrebitel> that commited that wierd xml?
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I didn't see any in common_patch, just difficulty5
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe a local change that wasn't in git?
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH at this point I feel the github client is more trouble than it's worth
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Like it or not, merging code is difficult
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> it trying to hide that just makes it worse when it isn't a trivial merge
17:20 < Istrebitel> well actually I got used to it
17:20 < Istrebitel> understood what to click
17:20 < Istrebitel> and it's easy now
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Until a merge fails I guess :P
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> If you were on the command line, you could just diff against pmprog/master directly
17:21 < Istrebitel> well I got why my merges failed
17:21 < Istrebitel> learned to fix it
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> and rebase any changes on that
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a shame rebase doesn't seem to be exposed in the github client
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> It's really powerful
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> (But I guess, power == danger in a way, if you do it wrong it can make things worse...)
17:23 < Istrebitel> well, yes, only basic functions are
17:23 < Istrebitel> but at least I got handle of that
17:23 < Istrebitel> It just made no sense, it allows you to select rows in diff window, but it makes no difference
17:23 < Istrebitel> because you have to edit files yourself anyway
17:24 < Istrebitel> I mean why let me select or deselect a row if that makes no difference ? and why not let me edit text in a text edit window?
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17:24 < Istrebitel> but anyway, now I just do everything with notepad (if there are real conflicts, not just stuff I have to discard)
17:25 < Istrebitel> okay, I've done importing unit types, equipment presets and projectiles
17:25 < Istrebitel> now I'm going to do map generation, so that we can spawn any tactical map, just like the game does (built from blocks)
17:25 < Istrebitel> do we know how the game decides to spawn more sectors? it seems to be related to squad size but are there exact numbers?
17:28 < Istrebitel> ---
17:28 < Istrebitel> and yes, gamestate_serialize.h seems to not be present in a project
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17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume the unit size must be stored in the map files somewhere..
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17:35 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #85:  Reading tactical bullet sprites, unit types, equipment sets (master...master) https://git.io/viZPc
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17:35 < Istrebitel> unit size?
17:35 < Istrebitel> ah
17:35 < Istrebitel> no, it's not
17:36 < Istrebitel> thanks to skin36 we figured everything out
17:36 < Istrebitel> all map data is now completely known
17:37 < Istrebitel> and since there's no data bout where to spawn units
17:37 < Istrebitel> I guess there must be some other logic
17:38 < Istrebitel> that spawns units and decided to create another sector (I guess it decides that based onthe fact that there's not enough space to distribute forces?
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> .sob I guess?
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Or have you already decoded that?
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Also, in tacedit it shows where it thinks 'exits' for each tile should be, so they can connect
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that hardcoded the same for all maps? Or is that stored in the map data?
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> possibly building.dat if it's the same for all maps in a building
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18:43 < Istrebitel> no, already decoded
18:43 < Istrebitel> sob is for objects to spawn
18:43 < Istrebitel> and exists are defined in building.dat
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe it's a count of tiles then?
18:58 < SupSuper> hey JonnyH`Work
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> hi there sup
19:01 < SupSuper> adding multiple push/pop exposed a lot of places in the code where we were incorrectly running the same code multiple times :p
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> you mean multiple events triggering the same action?
19:04 < SupSuper> yeah
19:04 < SupSuper> also we kinda need a proper solution to the "faded background" now
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I think maybe a Stage that just fades
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and the second it Updates it just pops itself?
19:06 < SupSuper> well the thing is where do we put "if we're on cityview and pushing something, put a fade state in between". putting it at the framework level sounds ugly :p
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess modifying all event handlers in the CityView from "push nextscreen;" to "push fade; push newscreen" isn't too bad?
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> As it's the cityview that knows it needs fading?
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Or we could have the CityView render itself do
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> if (this != topStage()) fade
19:08 < SupSuper> true, every state still renders itself right?
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe use the pause()/resume() Stage stuff to say 'enable/disable fade'?
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> assuming they are still called, they haven't been used yet IIRC
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> and if they're not tested they don't work :)
19:10 < SupSuper> i think i've used it to refresh base info in the cityview, so they're called at least
19:14 < SupSuper> so is the battlescape done yet? ;p
19:17 < Skin36> SupSuper, whether in the OXC files animation ad /ua/ uf ?
19:19 < SupSuper> can you reword that?
19:22 < Skin36> Have there been in Xcom1 animation files with this extension ?
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think so, at least nothing matches .ua/.ad/.uf in my steam copy
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> How are animations encoded in xcom1?
19:24 < SupSuper> nope, the only animations in xcom1 are the sprites in PCK files or the cutscenes in FLIC format
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean the sprite animations
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> what specifys how many images there are in each animation/the timings etc.
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19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Or is it all hardcoded?
19:26 < SupSuper> it's all hardcoded
19:26 < SupSuper> i think everything has the same animation speed to match the tile redraw
19:28 < SupSuper> and tiles just define a list of sprites to animate
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> but each list is of a fixed size?
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Or is there a {first sprite, count} pair or something?
19:28 < SupSuper> yeah
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> the pair?
19:28 < SupSuper> it's fixed size
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> ok
19:29 < SupSuper> if you wanna know about tile data: http://ufopaedia.org/index.php/MCD
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I wonder why apoc did anything different
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> as it seems odd to be able to do arbitrary animations
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe they wanted to be able to 'repeat' frames to make some parts slower?
19:29 < SupSuper> maybe. fixed-size binary formats can be annoying to work with
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I know in 'realtime' the animations are slowed based on the tile
19:31 < SupSuper> and remember in the original everything ran at cpu-speed :p
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> IE if you walk into a 'slow' tile (with higher ap cost) it slows the animations relatively
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> ap == tu, of course :P
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21:02 < SupSuper> so what is there reasonable to do? seems items, agents and battlescape are taken
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> There's a lot of inter-dependencies that kinda makes separation difficult, I'll give you
21:03 < SupSuper> am i really left with ground vehicles? :P
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Stuff like market is a big thing, but that probably depends on 'items'
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> the agent equipment screen would be nice
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Or with Istrebitel's work on agent equipment stats, adding them to the ufopaedia?
21:04 < SupSuper> i think Shadow is doing that? if only he'd use trello :p
21:04 < SupSuper> and the problem with market/organizations is, uh, nobody really knows how they work
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> *spooky magic*
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> hexa.txt seems to ahve some info on the market struct formats
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> might give a clue on how they work
21:05 < SupSuper> just make everything rnd() they'll never notice
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> NUM_ARMOUR_HELMETS =100000
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> NUM_ARMOUR_LEGS = 0; //HAHA
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Actualyl implementign skin's reversed accuracy stuff could be done too
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> along with the accuracy stat calculation
21:06 < SupSuper> do vehicles still fire?
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> IE (sort modifiers, totoal = modifier1/1 + modifier2/2 + modifier3/3...)
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> When they see enemies
21:07 < SupSuper> giving them a more reasonable would also be nice
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> but everyone loves everyone, until a ufo pops up at midnight
21:07 < SupSuper> *reasonable ui
21:07 < SupSuper> hah
21:07 < SupSuper> ufos are already looking pretty authentic :p
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Initial organisation relations?
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> At least some of the income stuff is figured out too
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> IE 'magic starting number' + random (unknown) fuzz
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> income based on building tile ownership
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Same with tile repair at endOfDay(), ownder->funds -= tile->cost()
21:09 < SupSuper> what happens if they run out of funds
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> It still rebuilds and they go negative
21:10 < SupSuper> lol
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> code cleanup stuff? If you're feeling *really* vored
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> replace LogWarning("%s, printf %d formats")
21:10 < SupSuper> we need to start adding this stuff to ufopaedia.org or something :p
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> with boost::format stuff
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> camelBack variable names?
21:10 < SupSuper> i saw that but i thought you liked macros?
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, I used macros 'caus it's easy
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21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Too many times I've done "%s", something_not_const_char*());
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> or ("%d", something_not_int)
21:11 < SupSuper> yeah it's why i added a << overload :p
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> gcc warns about most of them, but some are kinda nasty
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I prefer the look of "String {} with {} placeholders", val1, val2
21:12 < SupSuper> it's a plague in openxcom since va_args only works with primitives
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> IMHO easier to read than "String " << val1 << " with " << val2 << " placeholders"
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> then add a Vec3<T>operator<<(ostream&) to output {1,2,3} or equivalent to make that easier too
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Vec2<T> and Rect<T> too
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> OR add the tests to msvc?
21:13 < SupSuper> i've considered adding our own msvc debugger visualizers :p
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Stuff like the serialization_test would be useful IMHO
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> as it checks if you 'missed' some gamestate :)
21:13 < SupSuper> so it doesn't show as x=0 u=0 r=0 y=1 v=0 g=0
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> IE it 'starts' a game, saves it, loads it again and asserts (started == loaded)
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, I don't know if gdb  does a 'better' job of visualising stuff automagically
21:15 < SupSuper> hope our game is deterministic?
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> or if I'm just so used to it's weirdness
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> It is
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> That's another thing I could check:
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> StateA.update(1); StateB.update(1); assert(StateA == StateB);
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> THe only thing that's possible non-deterministic
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> is the implementation of std::uniform_int_distribution and the like
21:16 < SupSuper> just decompose the whole game state into fixed transitions :p
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> but that's only an issue 'across' platforms
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21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Good idea
21:16 < SupSuper> or if you use floats *shudders*
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Tempted to make the GameState only respond to well defined 'event' signals or something
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> THen we can reconstruct the same GameState by recording a log of the events
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> -ffloat-store :P
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22:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm a little confused as to waht PCK::loadVersion1Format() is used for
22:18 <@JonnyH`Work> as it never seems to be hit...
22:20 < SupSuper> xcom1 format? presumably before the apoc formats were decoded
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug*
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> http://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Image_Formats_(Apocalypse)
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> says 'compression mode 0: No image'
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> while PCK.cpp does if (compressionMode == 0) loadversion1Format()?
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe it was an attempt at PCKSTRAT?
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it'll happen to be the same in some strategy sprites...
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll just remove it :)
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Now, how do we say if the tab contains byte offsets, or  4-byte offsets?
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Read the last and check if 4*(last_value) > file.size()?
22:34 < SupSuper> that's how we do it in openxcom :p (to distinguish 8-bit tabs from 16-bit tabs)
22:35 <@JonnyH`Work> well, that's the golden stamp of approval then :)
22:35 < SupSuper> https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/src/Engine/SurfaceSet.cpp#L86
22:35 < SupSuper> my mistake it's 16-bit (ufo) and 32-bit (tftd)
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> You just read the first
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> and say 'the first .tab index is always 0'
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I'd be doing it the other way
22:37 < SupSuper> ah right
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> read the last, and say if (last_value *4 > pck_file_size) { *4 is wrong}
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Though it may be possible to generate sucha  file where that's wrong
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. a 2-image file where the first one is very simple, but the second complex
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> so start(image 2) * 4 is still within the pck...
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> but I hope that'd be pretty difficult to find :)
22:39 < SupSuper> technically you don't really need the TAB file as each PCK image is clearly delimited, but i suppose it's faster just having the index list done for you
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Assuming no padding, correct
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22:41 < SupSuper> right, each sprite always ends in a 0xFF
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know if there are any alignment restrictions
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. where a tab contains the (offset /4)
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> is it possible for the 0xff to be non-4byte aligned?
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> so the last 4 bytes are actually {0xff, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0}
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> where those 3 bytes are unused padding before the actual pck header of the next image?
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess I'll find out :P
22:42 < SupSuper> dunno, pck 1.0 doesn't have such fancy things as headers :p
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> assert(byte_at(offset -1)) == 0xff)
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23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> 97 insertions(+), 339 deletions(-)
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Told you pck.cpp could be quite a bit simpler :P
--- Day changed Wed Sep 07 2016
00:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Whelp, that was fun
00:41 <@JonnyH`Work> xcom1a now loads correctly
00:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Implemented blk format
00:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Enabled different pck formats in the same file
00:41 <@JonnyH`Work> and 'compressionMode == 0' appears to mean a 'skipped' index
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01:03 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vinMc
01:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 295b383 Jonathan Hamilton: Disable palette section loading from .png files...
01:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f3e1874 Jonathan Hamilton: Add test_images...
01:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f8efc5a Jonathan Hamilton: Enable 'BLK' pck loading, handle different pck formats in same file...
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15:05 <@JonnyH> :D I believe we can now load every .pck in apoc
15:05 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/openapoc_dumped_images/dumped_data/xcom3/
15:05 <@JonnyH> has a .png copy for reference
15:49 < Istrebitel> can I dl that whole dir?
15:49 < Istrebitel> without clicking individual items?
15:49 < Istrebitel> btw, very soon we will be able to generate every map :P
15:51 <@JonnyH> errm... I'll zip it up :)
15:54 < Istrebitel> and btw, we need to consider changing the way we handle gamestates
15:54 < Istrebitel> there are problems with loading everything at once, and storing 5 copies
15:55 < Istrebitel> 1) right now we have to load every tactical tileset on game start, even though we won't be needing almost every one of those. makes much more sense to load a tileset when going into tactical
15:55 < Istrebitel> 2) storing 5 copies of all the map part definitions will seriously bloat the game size
15:56 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I'm thinking about having the battle map having a different 'root'
15:56 <@JonnyH> that can be loaded into a GameState 'live'
15:56 <@JonnyH> and removed when the battle is completed
15:56 <@JonnyH> so you do gameState->currentBattle = Battle::load("/path/to/battle/files");
15:56 <@JonnyH> or something
15:58 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/openapoc_dumped_images/
15:58 <@JonnyH> a nice big dumped_data.zip
15:58 <@JonnyH> Only 100mb :)
15:58 <@JonnyH> And I've not checked the palettes are correct
15:58 < Istrebitel> thanks
15:59 < Istrebitel> yeah, battle we can store all right
15:59 < Istrebitel> battle is going to store tactical data
15:59 < Istrebitel> we need to store map parts, buildings and sectors in separate files
15:59 < Istrebitel> and load only the nessecary ones
15:59 <@JonnyH> But it should be enough to visually recognise the tiles at least
16:00 < Istrebitel> by tactical I mean current tactical situation. Current map, agents, items, projectiles
16:00 < Istrebitel> that won't be large
16:00 < Istrebitel> and will be empty when we're in cityscape
16:01 < Istrebitel> we should store map parts for every tileset separately, and buildings (new class, contain sectors, sectors in turn contain initial map part maps)
16:01 < Istrebitel> and when entering tactiacl we should load the building we need, and its map parts
16:01 <@JonnyH> So yeah, I'll add a Battle.load/Battle.save
16:01 <@JonnyH> like the GameState ones
16:01 < Istrebitel> just wait
16:01 < Istrebitel> until you pull my code
16:01 < Istrebitel> I've made changes
16:01 <@JonnyH> Then your extractor can do (for every battle, create a new Battle, Battle.save("battle_path"))
16:01 <@JonnyH> Sure, not working on it right now
16:01 < Istrebitel> well, yea, but for every building
16:02 < Istrebitel> or "battlemap" as I called it
16:02 < Istrebitel> btw
16:02 < Istrebitel> do we want to be able to make custom maps with tiles from differnt tilesets
16:02 < Istrebitel> or should I store map_parts in the battlemap?
16:02 < Istrebitel> so that its like vanilla, you can only use local tiles
16:02 <@JonnyH> I guess every battlemap has it's own copy of all parts it uses
16:02 <@JonnyH> Might not be very efficient storage wise
16:02 <@JonnyH> but I like each battle being self-contained
16:03 < Istrebitel> Or maybe we just load every tileset that is touched?
16:03 <@JonnyH> Would make future mods easier?
16:03 <@JonnyH> Probably every tileset that's touched
16:03 < Istrebitel> yes
16:03 < Istrebitel> and then we load building, see what tiles it touches, and load every tileset we need
16:03 < Istrebitel> battlemap, not building
16:04 < Istrebitel> so tilesets would be stored in a map battlemap -> (map Ustring->tile)
16:04 < Istrebitel> or something
16:04 < Istrebitel> and we just load those we need
16:04 <@JonnyH> Yeah, the StateRefMap for all battleparts would be in the battle itself
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16:05 < Istrebitel> okay so I will change that too, I will make it so map parts are stored in a map of maps
16:06 <@JonnyH`Work> or 4 maps, I don't know which is better
16:06 <@JonnyH`Work> as I doubt we'll be adding more tile types (beyond left/right/ground/feature)
16:11 < Istrebitel> yea we wont
16:11 < Istrebitel> so it's a map of maps
16:11 < Istrebitel> I will make another class, so that it's a map of a class
16:12 < Istrebitel> and that class can then be serialised to a separate file
16:12 < Istrebitel> dammit, loading every map part 5 times takes long
16:12 < Istrebitel> just to see next bug :PP
16:12 < Istrebitel> btw, am I correct that creating stateref does not check wether the object is present?
16:13 <@JonnyH`Work> creating doesn't
16:13 < Istrebitel> it bassicallly just assigns a pointer to gamestate and a string and that's it?
16:13 <@JonnyH`Work> first dererence does
16:14 < Istrebitel> also, is it safe to open files that aren't there?
16:14 < Istrebitel> just to check if file exists?
16:14 <@JonnyH`Work> sure
16:14 <@JonnyH`Work> auto file = fw().data->fs.open("Path");
16:14 <@JonnyH`Work> if (!file) FileDoesn'tActuallyExist
16:14 < Istrebitel> yes I'm doing it
16:14 < Istrebitel> okay
16:18 < Istrebitel> also, should we temporarily stop including xmls in git? I suspect a large size after I finish with this
16:18 < Istrebitel> i mean, resultant xmls, patched onesa
16:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Or a second repository with all the data or something?
16:19 <@JonnyH`Work> But git is fine with a large chunk of text xml
16:19 <@JonnyH`Work> when we ship we can zip it all up too
16:22 < Istrebitel> yeah well
16:22 < Istrebitel> it can't save
16:22 < Istrebitel> too large file I guess )))
16:22 < Istrebitel> for the map parts
16:22 < Istrebitel> I guess making them save into individual file will help though
16:22 < Istrebitel> gonna do it now
16:35 < Istrebitel> can we search within ustrings?
16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> errm... we probably should, but nobody has yet so not implemented
16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Considering it should just decompse into std::string's find functions
16:45 < Istrebitel> okay, I will manually do it then for now
16:45 < Istrebitel> I need to search in a string for second "_" to find tileset name in mappart name
16:45 < Istrebitel> by name I mean id
16:45 < Istrebitel> anwyays, I hope it works now, I have made a separate class so that map parts are stored in separate files, I will make a pull request when I confirm everything is working
16:46 < Istrebitel> and now we can spawn a battle for any building )))
16:46 < Istrebitel> soon they will also generate properly (proper size and use more than one sector, but I want to push it now so that you can start working on separate serialization when you have time
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Plus the whole *gameplay* :P
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17:31 < pmprog_laptop> Hiya
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17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> hi pmprog_laptop
17:56 < pmprog_laptop> Hiya, how's it going?
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW I removed your PCK 'version 1'
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm not sure what it actually loaded?
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe an attempt at the strategy maps that wasn't quite correct in all cases?
17:56 < pmprog_laptop> Who knows now... but okay :)
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> But the current code seems to be able to extract all images
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/openapoc_dumped_images/
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> if you're interested
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> shadows, animation frames, the lot :)
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> actually, with the single exception of tacdata/icon_m
17:58 < pmprog_laptop> Good work :)
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure what's going on there
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe it's the only example of your 'format 1'? :P
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Or I'm too strict with 'error checking'
18:02 < pmprog_laptop> Hmmm, not sure now. Do you still have the format 1 code? You could try it
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> probably best to checkut a recent version
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> and try that
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18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> well, it detects it as version2
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> it doesnt seem to use the PCKImageHEader at all?
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it was an attempt at the stratmap onesd
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> as it happens to have the same output if a stratmap tile starts at x==0 for every row
18:10 < pmprog_laptop> Bah, I can't remember how PCKs work
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18:23 < Istrebitel> okay, extractor is going bonkers on me
18:23 < Istrebitel> for no reason at all, it seems to arbitrarily cut files in length to 478297
18:24 < Istrebitel> one time it has cut all my mappart xmls to that size
18:24 < Istrebitel> now it has cut citymap xmls to that size
18:24 < Istrebitel> by cut i mean truncate
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> so it outputs invalid xml?
18:34 < Istrebitel> yes
18:34 < Istrebitel> it just randomly dies without error
18:34 < Istrebitel> this time it barely outputted anything
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Is this the master branch of your github?
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I can have a look myself
18:35 < Istrebitel> I haven't uploaded yet
18:35 < Istrebitel> I will now
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18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Hey SupSuper
18:36 < SupSuper> hey
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I updated my 'extracted images' on my webserver
18:37 < Istrebitel> okay, done
18:37 < Istrebitel> my guess is that it goes out of memory
18:37 < Istrebitel> and dies without error because it doesn't expect that
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/openapoc_dumped_images/
18:37 < Istrebitel> btw, in that version I am making only difficulty 5 to save time
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> the only file that fails is tacdata/icon_m.pck I believe
18:37 < Istrebitel> still fials
18:37 < Istrebitel> yes that file is strange
18:37 < Istrebitel> btw
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> if (c == UniChar("_"))
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> won't do what you want
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> "_
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> .."_" reuturns the pointer of where the "_" string was allocated in memory
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> not the character '_'
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> (game/state/battlemappart_type.cpp line 18)
18:43 < Istrebitel> well i never got the chance to use that
18:43 < Istrebitel> because that is used when I load the tactical map
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> It doesn't build on linux
18:43 < Istrebitel> and I never got there
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll fix it locally and continue :)
18:44 < Istrebitel> hmm it built on windows
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe as I'm doing 64bit?
18:44 < Istrebitel> how do I get the character ?
18:44 < SupSuper> vs doesn't give a shit about your rules, man :p
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> UniChar('_
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> ')
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> '_' single quotes not "double"
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> UniChar is a 32-bit integer, so maybe msvc can cope with putting a 32-bit pointer in that
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but gcc barfs as packing a 64-bit pointer in a 32-bit integer is clearly wrong :P
18:47 < Istrebitel> where can I see constructors for char32_t?
18:47 < Istrebitel> I want to understand why UString takes "" but UniChar does not?
18:47 < Istrebitel> in a consturctor
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> UniChar is a single character
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> UString is a stream of characters terminated by a null
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> typedef char32_t UniChar;
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> so UniChar is a base type
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> not a class
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH you could just do if (c == '_')
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> and it'll convert internally
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a bit like doing int x =  int(5);
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> kinda unnecessary but still works
18:49 < Istrebitel> yeah, that I get
18:49 < Istrebitel> what I don't get is why if "_" gives address to the memory, won't it be the same as '_' for purpose of passing a char
18:50 < Istrebitel> I get it's not proper, but still, string[0] is supposed to give first item in the string
18:50 < Istrebitel> and first in "
18:50 < Istrebitel> "_" is '_'
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> in c (and c++) "" strings are defined as  const char* pointers
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Just the way strings are defined in the langage
18:50 < SupSuper> a char is an integer, a string is a pointer to a series of integers
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Similarly, 'more than one character' won't compile either
18:50 < Istrebitel> ah I see
18:50 < Istrebitel> so there's a constructor for char from int, but not from *int?
18:51 < Istrebitel> but "_" is auto-converted to int
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> int x = (const char*)"string";
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> may work
18:51 < Istrebitel> i see
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> but probably doesn't do what you want
18:51 < Istrebitel> okay, anyways, any luck with building it?
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> as 'x' would contain the pointer value, not the string itself
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> just a couple of cmake updates
18:52 < SupSuper> basically you can only compare strings to strings, and even then only if they're string objects and not c-strings
18:52 < SupSuper> because ~~lol c~~
18:52 < Istrebitel> meanwhile I'll try 64bit version myself
18:52 < Istrebitel> maybe it works
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> "string" == inputString
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> probably won't do waht you want either
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> as it'll compare the pointer value, not the string itself
18:53 < SupSuper> good thing only infidels put the literal on the left side
18:53 < Istrebitel> where's that?
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> No, just generally :)
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Not seen that used
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> A few more build issues:
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/tools/extractors/common/bulletsprite.h:31:100: warning: backslash-newline at end of file
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work>  #define PROJECTILESPRITES_DATA_TACP_OFFSET_END                                                     \
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/tools/extractors/common/aequipment.h:6:37: error: jump to case label [-fpermissive]
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work>  #define AGENT_EQUIPMENT_TYPE_WEAPON 0x01
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work>                                      ^
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/tools/extractors/extract_agent_equipment.cpp:133:9: note: in expansion of macro ‘AGENT_EQUIPMENT_TYPE_WEAPON’
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work>     case AGENT_EQUIPMENT_TYPE_WEAPON:
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work>          ^
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/tools/extractors/extract_agent_equipment.cpp:103:10: note:   crosses initialization of ‘AgentArmorData adata’
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work>      auto adata = data_t.agent_armor->get(edata.data_idx);
18:55 < Istrebitel> I copied your code here
18:55 < Istrebitel> the slash
18:55 < Istrebitel> it was there
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> the first one is msvc creating invalid C++ source files
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> the 'must end with a newline' :P
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> The secod is you must use {} scope in switch statements if you have new variables declared within them
18:57 < Istrebitel> what is "in expansion of macro"?
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> that's not important, it's jsut saying the value came from A_MACRO, that's expanded as whatever it's #defined as (0x01 or something here)
18:58 < Istrebitel> what does "expanded" mean exaactly?
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> errm... the english term?
18:59 < Istrebitel> expanded, the word, means "extend,protrude", what does it mean when applied to a macro?
19:00 < Istrebitel> at least that's what I know :P I'm russian
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Variable expansion is a generic term when the contents of a variable are read out instead of the variable name itself?
19:00 < Istrebitel> ah
19:00 < Istrebitel> why does it notify that then? isn't that happening all the time?
19:00 < SupSuper> it's being "resolved". it's called an "expansion" because you're turning a small thing into a big thing (usually)
19:00 < Istrebitel> holy shit
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> to "Expand" on something also can mean to 'get the full version of'
19:00 < Istrebitel> i see the problem now
19:00 < Istrebitel> battle_maps xml is 400 megs in size o_O
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Time to split that up?
19:01 < SupSuper> time for binary :p
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably ran out of memory allocating the xml nodes
19:01 < Istrebitel> yes
19:01 < Istrebitel> I meant to
19:01 < Istrebitel> I forgot :P
19:01 < SupSuper> also you can't initialize variables in a switch-case, because it's not a { } block (although you can add one)
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> the macro expansion is unrelated, it just happens to be a 'case MACRO:' that's hitting the error
19:02 < Istrebitel> erm, why does it? what's the error?
19:02 < Istrebitel> ah
19:02 < Istrebitel> i see
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> the thing is you can't have stack variables in a case: without {}
19:02 < Istrebitel> it just gives extra info for the rror
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> case 1: int x; //BAD
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> case 1: { int x; } //GOOD
19:02 < Istrebitel> by initialise you mean assign value for the first time?
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> declare, the 'int x'
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> not the assignment itself
19:03 < Istrebitel> but... it works?
19:03 < SupSuper> this is why c++ is a terrible intermediate language :p
19:03 < Istrebitel> why is it an error then?
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> IT shouldn't work
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> As the stack location for 'x' here has to be allocated at the beginning of the switch() (NOT the case, as it's in scope for every case after that)
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> but the case 2: below it skips over the initialisation
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Just add {} around all the cases
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. case 1: { code(); break; }
19:07 < Istrebitel> yeah I will ofc
19:07 < Istrebitel> I'm just interested why does it work when it should not
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe a msvc 'extension' to c++?
19:08 < Skin36> hi
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> hi Skin36 
19:08 < Skin36> what is with icon_m.pck ?
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure, not looked at it
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> but my current pck loader rejects it
19:09 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00knEU-5tfn6TNto/
19:09 < Skin36> why
19:09 < Skin36> im exctract it
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I might be 'too strict'
19:10 < Skin36> this is the usual format
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> there's a few other pck files that try to write out of bounds I've told it to ignore
19:11 < Skin36> kk
19:12 < Istrebitel> on an unerlated note
19:13 < Istrebitel> is there a way to save a vector so that every value goes into different file?
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> not right now
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> You can with maps though
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> if the key is a USTring
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> as it uses that for the filename
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> (see: cities)
19:14 < pmprog_laptop> Sorry, got caught up elsewhere, and better go... laters
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19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> bye pmprog :)
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19:25 < Istrebitel> back on topic of tactical icons
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19:25 < Istrebitel> if they're not there... where are they?
19:25 < Istrebitel> the icons like numbers for layers
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> embedded in the .exe?
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/openapoc_dumped_images/dumped_data/xcom3/tacdata/icons/104.png
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> is it not in that?
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> also you ahve a number of values in BattleMapPartType with no default value
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> the bools/ints need =0/=false I guess
19:28 < Istrebitel> ah, yes
19:28 < Istrebitel> buttons are there, thanks
19:29 < Istrebitel> we no longer use constructors right? we initialise in the .h file?
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, IMHO it makes it easier
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> also the USTring::Format(...bdata.destroyed_ground_idx) causes a misaligned pointer access :(
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Silly boost
19:32 < Istrebitel> yeah fixed that
19:32 < Istrebitel> found some other bugs
19:32 < Istrebitel> I'll fix it all and I hope this time it runs
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> it seems to run here
19:32 < Istrebitel> thanks for help
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> 58 BATTLEMAPPART tilesets
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> 382mb battle_maps.xml
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably an idea to split them :)
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Make that a SectionMap too?
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> one problem with that github pull request is it keeps reviving itself...
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure how github maps that to branches
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe forever more your 'master' branch is attached to the same pull request
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW DamageType::ignore_shield should have an initialiser too
19:51 < Istrebitel> let me fix everything
19:51 < Istrebitel> and then accept it
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I might rebase it
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise you'll have a commit that removes all data
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> and re-adds it
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Let me know when you're ready
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and I'll talk you through resetting your tree to match it when I'm done
19:52 < Istrebitel> yeah
19:52 < Istrebitel> i'll be tomorrow
19:53 < Istrebitel> it finally launched and worked
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> no problem :)
19:53 < Istrebitel> now we can spawn any map, any sector
19:53 < Istrebitel> next we will be able to make maps
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I might leap in and change how they're stored
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> so we only load them one at atime
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> And maybe split the maps out of the per-difficulty directories....
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than haveing 5 copies :)
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC nothing in the map changes between difficulty
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> but that hopefully won't affect your work...
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20:54 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: btw here's how msvc bitness woorks: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ewwyfdbe.aspx
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, different to gcc
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20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. uint32_t value : 24;
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> will only take 3bytes in a struct for gcc
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> but msvc will pad that to 4, unless it happens to be followed by something 8bits (or smaller)
20:56 < SupSuper> that's what happens to ~~implementation-defined~~
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> ..what does '/LD' do?
20:57 < SupSuper> creates a DLL, i guess so the sample doesn't need a main
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> so unrelated to the thing discussed :)
20:59 < SupSuper> gotta assume lowest common denominator :p
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/istrebitel-master-fixes-linux
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> look at that beauty
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> 2.2gb of xml :D
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> ...Probably best not trying to open the diff in the browser...
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> That's just an example btw Istrebitel, don't merge that into your branch or anything
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll merge and rewrite some commits when you think you're ready :)
21:01 < SupSuper> also don't pollute git history with 2gb commits :p
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Exactly
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> compresses well though :P
21:02 < SupSuper> also apparently msvc "allows" initializations in switches because it's a c holdover
21:02 < SupSuper> so rather "allows" you to have undefined behavior :p
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> in C there are no 'constructors
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> So it's 'less undefined'?
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> as it just does less at stack variable creation time :)
21:03 < SupSuper> the fun of having a c/c++ compiler
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm kinda surprised, I thought c1 and c1xx were 2 different frontend dlls that were selected by cl.exe
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> not a 'common' parser..
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21:05 < SupSuper> maybe it's some win32 special needs. there's no actual official explanation
21:06 < SupSuper> reminder that win32 will likely be pure c89 until the end of time :p
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Or maybe it's caus the c frontend for msvc is so old a bitrotted
21:06 < Istrebitel> okay then
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> most people actually use 'c++ mode' for C
21:06 < Istrebitel> if you want to leap ain and change
21:06 < Istrebitel> i'll commit now
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> then whine about why something else doesn't work
21:06 < SupSuper> extern c { }
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: Yeah, I'll keep it on a branch inmy repo for now
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> IE not yet merge it to pmprog
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> then change the battle_maps serializer so it can be called independly of the GameState
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> so we only have one copy of the maps for all difficulties
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> then when we're happy I'll merge to pmprog proper
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21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, sup, should I push my 'DUMP EVERYTHING!!!' tool?
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> IT's a c++ conversion of some craptacular bash scripts
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> as re-running OpenApoc_ImageDump for every single .pck index took forever, so I c++ified it
21:09 < SupSuper> sure why not
21:09 < SupSuper> did you make it cross-platform :p
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> errm... it uses boost::filesystem to create directories?
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Its not got a vcxproj though
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/tools/dump_everything/dump_everything.cpp
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> goto tables in code :)
21:09 < SupSuper> funnily enough msvc includes boost::filesystem
21:10 < SupSuper> i guess because it's the one thing c++ sorely needs
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> boost:filesystem is pretty much renamed and included as c++17 <filesystem>
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it's in gcc 6 too
21:11 < SupSuper> seriously why are we still using os-specific c functions for half the file system functionality. turns out nobody reinvented them in 30 years
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> It feels weird using '/' to append paths though
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I see what they're trying to do, but feels wrong...
21:12 < SupSuper> how so?
21:12 < SupSuper> it's literally the / operator?
21:12 <@JonnyH`Work> path("1") / path("2")
21:12 < SupSuper> goddammit boost
21:13 < SupSuper> as if your % formatters weren't weird enough
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> becomes '1/2' (or 1\2 if you're a bit odd in the head and using CP/M)
21:14 < SupSuper> luckily windows supports both :p
21:14  * JonnyH`Work is off to create a file called '/'
21:15 < SupSuper> pretty sure that's one of the verbotten words
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Like you can access it through the directl NT api, but not win32 or something...
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, there's a new playstation? feels like only yesterday the ps4 was launched...
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe I should replace my ps3 as a bluray player soon then if it's that old
21:17 < SupSuper> they're going for the smartphone model
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> new one every year?
21:17  * JonnyH`Work looks at my iphone 6s
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Old crap
21:17 < SupSuper> probably
21:17  * JonnyH`Work throws it away
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> oh it's not a ps5, it's a ps4 'pro'
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> For those professional console gamers, I guess
21:18 < SupSuper> yeah i expected a name like that from microsoft :p
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> 'pro' is ;ole 
21:18 < SupSuper> ps4.1 professional edition for workgroups
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> ...like 'turbo' in the 80s, the marketing 'useless word' de jour
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> 4.11 you mean
21:19 < SupSuper> speaking of, windows filesystem has a hilarious list of legacy reservations: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365247#naming_conventions
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> ..you can't use a colon?
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> balls. I was hoping to use that for overrides
21:20 < SupSuper> yeah it's probably reserved by the shell
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Or it uses drive = split(':')[0]
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Is it one of there magic things where you prefix the path with //?/ and it's all good?
21:22 < SupSuper> i think that's long paths?
21:23 < SupSuper> you can also create files starting with . but not via explorer, it's a whole amazing mess
21:23 < SupSuper> let's count our lucky starts everybody just uses ntfs default settings too, because it can be configured to be a posix, or shortfiles, or etc. :p
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> gogo case sensitive mode!
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> AKA nothing works anymore
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21:31 < Istrebitel> okay I've synced
21:32 < Istrebitel> everything works, all five difficulties are properly output and read
21:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Cool, I'll probably try to rebase after work this evening
21:35 < Istrebitel> yes, and it would be nice to get it to load separately asap (as well as have same maps for all difficulties)
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe we'll need some map metadata per difficulty
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> if only the names of the maps available
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> but hopefully the bulk will be individually load-able
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Possibly the associated building, so we can 'choose' a map without having to load it first
21:43 < Istrebitel> well, building has stateref to map
21:43 < Istrebitel> we can change that
21:44 < Istrebitel> so that building just has map name, not a state ref. basically a UString
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, probably a name string would be better
21:44 < Istrebitel> they're hand filled anyway, since they're not stored in game
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so it does "file open (maps/${NAME}.map)
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> or something
21:44 < Istrebitel> yes
21:44 < Istrebitel> and goes on from there
21:44 < Istrebitel> sees what tilesets it needs, loads them, creates battle object etc.
21:45 < Istrebitel> i guess we can have maps define tilesets they use
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Currently, each map only ever has one tileset right?
21:45 < Istrebitel> and if in future we make an editor, the editor will fill the list of tilesets used in the map, but for now every map will have only its tileset
21:45 < Istrebitel> yes
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe mods in the future will mix and match though
21:46 < Istrebitel> so we will have building/vehicle have a UString pointing to a map
21:46 < Istrebitel> and map have UString pointing to a tileset
21:46 < Istrebitel> and we load those
21:50 < SupSuper> as long as you don't go the convoluted xcom1 route :p
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> which is?
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I might also change the battlemap 'names'
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> IMHOP BATTLEMAP_SENATE is better than BATTLEMAP_1
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRc they're indexed by the 'building type' name array in ufo2p.exe
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I *think* the ufos have names there too..
21:53 < SupSuper> every tileset associated to a map (hardcoded) is combined into one in runtime so all the tile-ids reference this "combined tileset" so you can't even change the order of tilesets or everything breaks :p
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> ugh...
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Give each tile a UUID
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> tiles are then requested on the fly from OpenApoc's cloud
21:53 < SupSuper> it also means you can't have more than 255 distinct tiles per map...
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> That's the modern way of doing things, right?
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> maps-as-a-service
21:55 < SupSuper> well you're already using xml, it's just an extra step to turn it into a rest soap webservice api 2.0
21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> return 403: you must have a pro subscription to access large maps!
21:58 < SupSuper> xcom1 modders biggest gripe are all the battlescape 8-bit limits
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: stll some BattleMapPartType members are unset...
21:59 < SupSuper> and everyone knows 255 is reserved :p
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll fix them in the merge, don't worry :)
21:59 < Istrebitel> unset?
21:59 < SupSuper> in some cases they went as far as reserving 250-255!
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> not set in the constructor
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> so I get 'random' values each time I run the extractoir
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> (for the reference at least)
22:00 < Istrebitel> oh, I haven't gotten to that
22:00 < Istrebitel> I wanted to upload what I have so you can work on serialisation
22:00 < Istrebitel> I will fix that tomorrow
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I want to fix that for serialization
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> No point in having an intermediate step with xml data that'll change every run
22:08 < Istrebitel> erm, what do you mean, intermediate step?
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> like a git commit that changes a load of xml
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> only for the next commit to change it back
22:09 < Istrebitel> ah ok
22:12 < SupSuper> https://github.com/blog/2247-improving-collaboration-with-forks
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know if rebasing the whole thing is a 'minor' change?
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> but probably useful anyway :D
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Might have to see how that works...
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06:04 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Away: i tend to rebase only for fixes.
06:05 < TheSnide> and i always rebase to *earlier*
06:06 < TheSnide> SupSuper: nice feat btw (GH)
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14:56 < kkmic> hey JonnyH
14:56 < kkmic> What's cooking?
14:56 <@JonnyH> good stuff
14:57 < kkmic> Nice
14:59 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel has been making great strides with the battlescape
15:15 < kkmic> The new guy on the team?
15:15 < kkmic> I've seen some commits from him, but I thought it was just some minor stuff
15:16 < kkmic> Good to see that I was mistaken :)
15:20 < Istrebitel> almost finished with battlescape map generator now
15:21 < Istrebitel> if there's no bugs, we can generate any map, sectors being combined together randomly just like the game does it
15:21 < kkmic> I'll lend a hand when its ready for testing
15:22 < kkmic> Until then I'll just drool at commits :)
15:23 < Istrebitel> JonnyH, could you help me with some questions again?
15:23 < Istrebitel> :p
15:39 < Istrebitel> anyways, I'm trying to do: std::vector<std::vector<std::vector<sp<BattleMapSector>>>> sec_map = { size.x, { size.y, { size.z, nullptr} } };
15:39 < Istrebitel> and I get error: conversion from 'int' to 'unsigned __int64' requires a narrowing conversion	
15:39 < Istrebitel> so I have to do: std::vector<std::vector<std::vector<sp<BattleMapSector>>>> sec_map = { (unsigned)size.x, { (unsigned)size.y, { (unsigned)size.z, nullptr} } };
15:39 < Istrebitel> why won't it allow me to just pass an int?
15:39 < Istrebitel> i mean otherwise it seems fine auto-converting unsigned ints to ints
15:40 < Istrebitel> and vice versa
15:47 <@JonnyH> Errm... What are you trying todo?
15:47 < Istrebitel> initaalise a 3d vector
15:47 < Istrebitel> with a size of a map
15:47 <@JonnyH> create a vector of {size.x, size.y, size.z} full of nullptr?
15:47 < Istrebitel> yes
15:48 <@JonnyH> We should probably make a '3dvector' class :P
15:49 <@JonnyH> as a single chunk of x*y*z size would be a fair bit more efficent than x*y vectors of size z
15:49 <@JonnyH> but that's not helping right now :P
15:50 <@JonnyH> I'll have a look now
15:50 <@JonnyH> BTW I'm working on splitting the tilesets/battlemaps out ofthe GameState
15:50 <@JonnyH> so we don't load everything at once
15:50 <@JonnyH> Currently, I have all the tilesets being extracted to data/tileset/01SENATE/.. (or whatever the name is)
15:51 <@JonnyH> and each map section being extracted to data/maps/01SENATE_SEC01/... (or whatever the name / section number is)
15:51 <@JonnyH> And you can read them back individually
15:51 < Istrebitel> yeah but it's better to not use names
15:51 <@JonnyH> each BattleMap now has a list of "used tilesets"
15:51 < Istrebitel> so that we can create an id
15:51 <@JonnyH> The names are just arbitrary, I think names make sense more than IDs
15:52 <@JonnyH> but they're just an identifier to make it easier for the user
15:52 <@JonnyH> And I'm going to add the metadata of 'which map sections can be used' and chance of each into the Building class
15:52 <@JonnyH> Or maybe a BattleGenerator class or something as UFOs will need one too...
15:53 <@JonnyH> So far not much difference to your work, so hopefully it'll be easy to merge with your stuff too :)
15:53 < Istrebitel> erm
15:53 <@JonnyH> As for names, I think a human readable name is 'better'
15:53 <@JonnyH> as modders etc. give maps names
15:53 < Istrebitel> thing with names is, we will have to store them
15:53 <@JonnyH> and it's more likely to be unique called JONNYH_MAP_AWESOME_ONE
15:53 <@JonnyH> than "MAP_5"
15:54 < Istrebitel> right now I know how to get a battlemap id (string) from building purpose or ufo
15:54 <@JonnyH> yeah, we can store them fine
15:54 < Istrebitel> how do I know?
15:54 <@JonnyH> if each BattleGenerator has a list of strings
15:54 < Istrebitel> which map is it?
15:54 <@JonnyH> and those strings correspond to the map 'name'
15:54 < Istrebitel> okay then we need to do the following:
15:55 <@JonnyH> A modder's 'new' map would place the new map under data/maps/NEWMAPNAME
15:55 < Istrebitel> have building's purpose be a reference, not a string
15:55 < Istrebitel> have a clas for building purpose whjich has id, name and list of maps assigned to it
15:55 <@JonnyH> and an xml GameState fragment would be chainloaded adding the "NEWMAPNAME" string to the BattleGenerator
15:55 < Istrebitel> and have same list assigned to vehicle
15:55 <@JonnyH> The BattleGenerator would be the thing referenced y the building's purpose
15:57 <@JonnyH> 'BattleGenerator' is just a way of matching a building's function to the set of possible map sections
15:57 < Istrebitel> yeah something like that
15:57 < Istrebitel> each building and each vehicle will have one
15:58 <@JonnyH> so my 'new map' mod would be:
15:58 <@JonnyH> A new map under data/maps/NEWMAPNAME
15:58 <@JonnyH> and an xml fragment that adds "NEWMAPNAME" to gamestate->battleGenerators[ID_OF_BUILDING_FUNCTION_I_WANT_THE_MAP_ADDED_TO]->sectionList
15:58 <@JonnyH> or something?
15:59 < Istrebitel> yes
16:00 < Istrebitel> btw we must figure out how to differentiate
16:00 < Istrebitel> mods that add and mods that substitute
16:00 < Istrebitel> (orverwrite)
16:03 < Istrebitel> okay this is damn weird
16:03 < Istrebitel> I have a reproducable issue
16:04 < Istrebitel> void CityView::resume() crashes with read access violation
16:04 < Istrebitel> when doing this->uiTabs[0]->findControlTyped<Label>("TEXT_BASE_NAME")->setText(state->current_base->name);
16:04 < Istrebitel> and trying to evaluate current_base gives all ???s
16:04 < Istrebitel> however!
16:04 < Istrebitel> if I put a breakpoint on gamestate:cpp:204
16:04 < Istrebitel> which does
16:04 < Istrebitel> this->current_base = {this, base};
16:04 < Istrebitel> there's no error!
16:06 < Istrebitel> I guess it's oout of memory again, and breaking on the point gives it time to clear some memory up?
16:06 <@JonnyH> is this every time? Is it at startup?
16:06 <@JonnyH> there are things that change the curretnt_base
16:06 < Istrebitel> oh well, now even breakpoint aint helping
16:06 <@JonnyH> so it may be initialised correctly at startup
16:06 <@JonnyH> but then breaking later :P
16:06 < Istrebitel> well I didn't change anything that touches bases
16:07 <@JonnyH> I'll look at it after my BattleMap splitting stuff
16:07 < Istrebitel> i guess it's just memory
16:07 <@JonnyH> Or if you see supsuper I think he did a lot of the base stuff
16:07 <@JonnyH> I normally run with -fsanitizee=address
16:08 <@JonnyH> which enables all kinda of memory checkers, so normally notices if we're doing something bad there
16:11 < Istrebitel> lol
16:11 < Istrebitel> okay
16:11 < Istrebitel> the code after this->current_Base assignment
16:11 < Istrebitel> somehow breaks the pointer
16:11 <@JonnyH> unless it's something gone wrong with git merge or something
16:11 < Istrebitel> i will investigate
16:14 < Istrebitel> man, computers are notoriously bad at giving error messages, but c++ is just so annoyingly bad at it
16:14 < Istrebitel> error message is always completely unrelated to what's actually happening
16:14 <@JonnyH> yeah, you *need* to use tools for that
16:14 < Istrebitel> and what's actually happening is some bizzare shit
16:14 <@JonnyH> valgrind & address sanitizer on linux are great
16:14 < Istrebitel> and there' no sainity checks ever it seems
16:14 <@JonnyH> There's probably a windows equivalent I don't know of :)
16:14 < Istrebitel> right now, agent generation somehow makes an unrelated variable go bonkers!
16:14 < Istrebitel> why? no idea!
16:14 < Istrebitel> lol
16:15 < Istrebitel> okay, I'll get to the bottom of this
16:15 <@JonnyH> is this your master?
16:15 < Istrebitel> yes, not commited yet, i'll figure out myself dont worry
16:16 < Istrebitel> I am determinend now
16:16 < Istrebitel> FILLED WITH DETERMINATION!!!!!!!!
16:16 < Istrebitel> lol
16:16 < Istrebitel> )))
16:17 <@JonnyH> If you use clang codegen apparently you can use -fsanitize=address there
16:17 <@JonnyH> in msvc
16:17 <@JonnyH> To be honest I'd go mad without stuff like that :)
16:17 <@JonnyH> I don't develop myself on windows, so never looked into what debug tools are available (and good)
16:17 < Istrebitel> yeah it kinda does make you mad
16:17 < Istrebitel> listRandomiser does it
16:17 < Istrebitel> in agent generation
16:17 < Istrebitel> lol
16:18 < Istrebitel> okay, let's see
16:18 < Istrebitel> yeah, what is there for windwos? I thought what VS 2015 gives you is enough to debug?
16:18 <@JonnyH> -fsanitize=address annotates *every* memory access in the code automatically at compile time
16:19 <@JonnyH> so it's a fair bit slower (but still playable on my workstation)
16:19 <@JonnyH> but it's sooooo useful for stuff like this :)
16:19 <@JonnyH> as *everything* gets checked
16:19 <@JonnyH> and if it finds an error it points out the line of code causing it exactly
16:20 <@JonnyH> valgrind does the same thing at 'runtime', so it's even slower, but runs on exactly the same binaries (it's not a compiler option) but can also detect some extra things
16:20 < Istrebitel> erm, where do I type that?
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16:21 <@JonnyH> Not sure if they're available for windows :P
16:21 <@JonnyH> Hence my saying there's probably a windows equivalent, but I just don't know of them
16:21 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/dynamorio/drmemory
16:21 <@JonnyH> google says that's similar
16:22 <@JonnyH> Might be worth a try?
16:22 < Istrebitel> I'll check it out later, yes
16:22 < Istrebitel> okay
16:22 < Istrebitel> so
16:22 < Istrebitel> std::uniform_int_distribution<unsigned> dist(0, list.size() - 1);
16:22 < Istrebitel> is producing a dist with random min (like 100123021301203120 or something)
16:22 <@JonnyH> Ooh, I bet the list is empty
16:22 < Istrebitel> no
16:22 < Istrebitel> it's size 3
16:22 < Istrebitel> it evaluates
16:22 <@JonnyH> so (0-1) is doing a underflow
16:22 <@JonnyH> ...what?
16:23 < Istrebitel> list is filled with 3 items
16:23 < Istrebitel> quickwatching it gives that
16:23 < Istrebitel> i mean, comfirms
16:23 < Istrebitel> list is std::list<sp<AgentType>>
16:23 <@JonnyH> how bizarre
16:23 < Istrebitel> yep
16:23 <@JonnyH> You've not changed compiler version and not done a full rebuild or something?
16:23 < Istrebitel> i changesd to x64
16:24 < Istrebitel> I was doing x32 until that problem yesteday
16:24 <@JonnyH> that should be fine...
16:24 <@JonnyH> the output directories are different, so it should be the same as a 'full rebuild'
16:25 < Istrebitel> i have a hunch
16:26 < Istrebitel> it gave me error before
16:26 < Istrebitel> when using sizes and unsigneds
16:26 < Istrebitel> let's see if putting (unsigned) there helps
16:28 < Istrebitel> nope it does not
16:30 <@JonnyH> x64 debug you say?
16:30 <@JonnyH> I'll try it here
16:30  * JonnyH winds up my old windows laptop
16:30 < Istrebitel> nah dont worry
16:30 < Istrebitel> i'll tell you when i give up
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16:37 < Istrebitel> okay so
16:37 < Istrebitel> it seems random generator is the culprit here
16:37 < Istrebitel> could it be that defining a same template twice makes it go crazy?
16:37 <@JonnyH> yes
16:37 < Istrebitel> erm why?
16:37 < Istrebitel> won't it say that?
16:37 <@JonnyH> If you build 2 files with different compiler options or something
16:37 < Istrebitel> like "second template found error"
16:37 <@JonnyH> otherwise it'll be fune
16:37 < Istrebitel> no, i mean, random generator templates
16:37 <@JonnyH> fine
16:38 <@JonnyH> did you try a full rebuild?
16:38 <@JonnyH> IE delete bin/ and start again?
16:38 <@JonnyH> Might still be an old object file screwing around
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16:38 < Istrebitel> anyways, the code in my cpp uses template in other cpp instead of my cpp
16:38 < Istrebitel> i guess we should make those rand templates defined in some common h file?
16:38 < Istrebitel> rather than defining them in fiels that use them?
16:39 < Istrebitel> i mean it's quite a copmmon task to requrie a random int in a certain bounds, we'll use it a lot
16:39 < Istrebitel> shouldn't that be defined somewhere in a common place?
16:39 <@JonnyH> you mean the listRandomiser<> template?
16:39 < Istrebitel> rather than agents.cpp file?
16:39 < Istrebitel> yes, and randbounds template specificallyt
16:39 < Istrebitel> that gives a random between min and max
16:39 <@JonnyH> make it static should also work
16:40 < Istrebitel> yeah but it says identifier not found
16:40 < Istrebitel> as battlemap.cpp does not know about agent.cpp
16:40 <@JonnyH> The issue is if 2 templates called randBounds<> exist in the same namespace and are exported by 2 (or more) objects
16:40 <@JonnyH> but they don't expand to _exactly_ the same thing
16:40 <@JonnyH> that's violating the ODR of c++
16:40 <@JonnyH> so yeah, could break things :)
16:41 < Istrebitel> anyways, should i move them to some common header?
16:41 < Istrebitel> so that everybody can use them?
16:41 <@JonnyH> If other things find stuff like that useful, pulling it to a header makes sense
16:41 < Istrebitel> well we will need a lot of random  in battlescape and other parts
16:41 < Istrebitel> so it will be useful
16:41 < Istrebitel> is there some random generator header already?
16:41 < Istrebitel> that I just add to?
16:42 <@JonnyH> library/xorshift.h defined the generator itself
16:42 <@JonnyH> Maybe turning that into a more general "library/random.h" would be a good idea?
16:42 < Istrebitel> are we supposed to modify a library header?
16:42 <@JonnyH> as it doesn't depend on anythig specific to the game 'openapoc'
16:43 < Istrebitel> oh
16:43 < Istrebitel> it's "our" library?
16:43 <@JonnyH> the library is probably the best place
16:43 <@JonnyH> Yeah :)
16:43 <@JonnyH> The split is more a logical 'seperation of concerns' more than anything else
16:44 <@JonnyH> 'library' being 'useful' tools for general code
16:44 <@JonnyH> Framework then being anything 'generic game' related (graphics, sound etc.)
16:44 <@JonnyH> Forms being generic UI
16:44 <@JonnyH> then gamestate being the 'openapoc game implemnetaiton itslef'
16:44 <@JonnyH> and gameui being 'the ability to view the gamestate'
16:44 < Istrebitel> i see
16:45 < Istrebitel> okay, i really hope it was all because I made another randBounds template
16:45 <@JonnyH> Yeah, even if that's not this specific issue it's _technically_ broken :P
16:45 <@JonnyH> And it's a good chance it's causing issues like this
16:46 <@JonnyH> as it'll be random which implementation it'll actually use :P
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17:36 < Istrebitel> have you actually used x64 a lot before?
17:37 <@JonnyH> I pretty much only use x86_64
17:37 < Istrebitel> hmm
17:37 < Istrebitel> okay rng is bonkers
17:37 < Istrebitel> it doesn't work, period
17:37 <@JonnyH> really?
17:37 < Istrebitel> from certain point onwards
17:37 <@JonnyH> the xorshift?
17:37 < Istrebitel> everything goes bonkers
17:37 <@JonnyH> still likely a memory corruption breaking something...
17:37 < Istrebitel> i have this code
17:37 < Istrebitel> std::uniform_int_distribution<int> dist(min, max);
17:37 < Istrebitel> 	LogWarning("Dist %d - %d", dist.min(), dist.max());
17:37 < Istrebitel> dist.min and dist.max return corret values
17:38 < Istrebitel> but if i watch it, then min is some huge random number like 2109785309755
17:38 <@JonnyH> create a new temporary branch name
17:38 <@JonnyH> push it to github
17:38 <@JonnyH> and I'll try running the 'same' code on liuux and see if it explodes in a similar way
17:38 < Istrebitel> memory corruption you mean, something else overwrites rng ememory
17:38 < Istrebitel> ?
17:38 <@JonnyH> likely memory corruption, yeah
17:38 <@JonnyH> and the dist state just happens to be the thing overwriteen
17:39 < Istrebitel> okay I've commited to master
17:40 < Istrebitel> it will most likely crash for you somwehere around battlemap.cpp:345
17:40 < Istrebitel> because randBoundsExclusive generates -1 where it should generate something within bounds
17:40 < Istrebitel> if you could check it now It would be great
17:46 <@JonnyH> we really need you to start using named branches :)
17:46 <@JonnyH> Rather than just master for everything
17:47 < Istrebitel> well i did when i did something completely new that would probably not work for a while
17:47 < Istrebitel> right now I though this is simple task
17:47 <@JonnyH> github pull requests seem to be per branch
17:47 <@JonnyH> so probably a new branch name for each separate thing you want a new request for makes sense
17:49 <@JonnyH> /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/game/state/city/city.cpp: In destructor ‘virtual OpenApoc::City::~City()’:
17:49 <@JonnyH> /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/framework/logger.h:73:66: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 5 has type ‘const OpenApoc::UString*’ [-Wformat=]
17:49 <@JonnyH> you probably want LogWarning("Building %s",b.first);
17:49 <@JonnyH> LogWarning("Building %s",b.first.cStr());
17:49 <@JonnyH> replace the first with the second :P
17:49 <@JonnyH> Still getting it to build
17:50 < Istrebitel> that's debug
17:50 < Istrebitel> it threw accesas violations there
17:50 < Istrebitel> so I added it
17:50 < Istrebitel> forgot to remove
17:50 <@JonnyH> the LogWarning could throw an access violation due to that
17:51 < Istrebitel> it was not there
17:52 < Istrebitel> when access violation happened
17:52 < Istrebitel> i added it to try to figure out why it happened
17:52 < Istrebitel> and I forgot it since it stopped happening there
17:52 <@JonnyH> no problem, just it popped up with a warning when building though I'd let you know
17:52 <@JonnyH> xorshift.h also needs to include <random> and <map> if it uses them
17:53 <@JonnyH> and <list>
17:57 <@JonnyH> also every time you add a new file to the project
17:57 <@JonnyH> If you could do the same for the CMakeLists.txt in the directory too
17:57 <@JonnyH> that would be useful for me :)
17:57 <@JonnyH> /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/game/state/battlemap.cpp:214:36: error: invalid initialization of non-const referenc
17:57 <@JonnyH> e of type ‘glm::tvec3<int, (glm::precision)0u>&’ from an rvalue of type ‘glm::tvec3<int, (glm::precision)0u>’
17:57 <@JonnyH>    auto &location = vectorRandomizer(state.rng, possible_locations);
17:57 <@JonnyH> It doesn't even build...
17:58 <@JonnyH> Oh, when constructing a new vectorRandomizer
17:58 <@JonnyH> you can't put it in a &reference
17:58 <@JonnyH> as it'll be instantly destroyed, and the reference would point to nothing
17:58 <@JonnyH> change 'auto &location =' to 'auto location ='
17:59 <@JonnyH> that'll cause memory corruption :)
17:59 < Istrebitel> that was added later
17:59 < Istrebitel> than thins happened
17:59 < Istrebitel> but okay
18:00 < Istrebitel> what did i do wrong?
18:00 < Istrebitel> &?
18:00 <@JonnyH> auto &location =
18:00 <@JonnyH> means store a reference to the value on the right
18:00 <@JonnyH> not the object itself
18:00 <@JonnyH> as vectorRandomizer returns an object, not a refernece
18:00 < Istrebitel> yes i fixed it now
18:00 <@JonnyH> that reference points at the reutrned object
18:00 <@JonnyH> then it's instantly destroyed as it's an rvalue
18:00 < Istrebitel> but that was added later actually, error is not cause by that
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18:02 <@JonnyH> right, not it builds I can actually run the memory tester :P
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18:03 < Istrebitel> btw that drmemory thing you pointed out to me.... how do I actually use it?
18:03 <@JonnyH> not a clue
18:05 < Istrebitel> ah, found their documentation page
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18:08 <@JonnyH> with that looks alright to me
18:08 <@JonnyH> No errors detected
18:08 <@JonnyH> what were you doing? Just starting a new game?
18:08 < Istrebitel> yes start new game , superhuman, then click into battle
18:09 <@JonnyH> this debug mode makes the game start very slow.. .give me a minute
18:10 <@JonnyH> ==3493==ERROR: AddressSanitizer: heap-buffer-overflow on address 0x6020001fe338 at pc 0x000000fc5af2 bp 0x7ffd0ddf9900 
18:10 <@JonnyH> sp 0x7ffd0ddf98f0
18:10 <@JonnyH> WRITE of size 4 at 0x6020001fe338 thread T0 (main)
18:10 <@JonnyH>     #0 0xfc5af1 in OpenApoc::BattleMap::CreateBattle(OpenApoc::GameState&, OpenApoc::StateRef<OpenApoc::Organisation>, 
18:10 <@JonnyH> std::__cxx11::list<OpenApoc::StateRef<OpenApoc::Agent>, std::allocator<OpenApoc::StateRef<OpenApoc::Agent> > > const&, 
18:10 <@JonnyH> OpenApoc::StateRef<OpenApoc::Vehicle>, OpenApoc::Battle::MissionType, OpenApoc::UString, std::__cxx11::list<OpenApoc::S
18:10 <@JonnyH> tateRef<OpenApoc::Agent>, std::allocator<OpenApoc::StateRef<OpenApoc::Agent> > > const&) /home/jonny/code/projects/Open
18:10 <@JonnyH> Apoc/game/state/battlemap.cpp:300
18:10 <@JonnyH>     #1 0xfcfb6c in OpenApoc::BattleMap::CreateBattle(OpenApoc::GameState&, OpenApoc::StateRef<OpenApoc::Organisation>, 
18:10 <@JonnyH> std::__cxx11::list<OpenApoc::StateRef<OpenApoc::Agent>, std::allocator<OpenApoc::StateRef<OpenApoc::Agent> > > const&, 
18:10 <@JonnyH> OpenApoc::StateRef<OpenApoc::Vehicle>, OpenApoc::StateRef<OpenApoc::Building>) /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/game/
18:10 <@JonnyH> state/battlemap.cpp:63
18:10 <@JonnyH>     #2 0x108aec9 in OpenApoc::InGameOptions::eventOccurred(OpenApoc::Event*) /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/game/ui
18:10 <@JonnyH> /general/ingameoptions.cpp:135
18:10 <@JonnyH>     #3 0x5613ae in OpenApoc::Framework::processEvents() /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/framework/framework.cpp:497
18:10 <@JonnyH>     #4 0x563454 in OpenApoc::Framework::run(std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::Stage>, unsigned long) /home/jonny/code/projects/
18:10 <@JonnyH> OpenApoc/framework/framework.cpp:357
18:10 <@JonnyH>     #5 0x4f9b4b in main /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/game/main.cpp:75
18:10 <@JonnyH>     #6 0x7fe4d101870f in __libc_start_main (/lib64/libc.so.6+0x2070f)
18:11 <@JonnyH> ooh, I see
18:11 < TheSnide> stack traces dont blend well with irc...
18:11 <@JonnyH> std::vector<int> sec_num_placed { secCount + 1, 0};
18:11 <@JonnyH> in battlemap.cpp
18:11 <@JonnyH> creates a vector of size '2'
18:12 < Istrebitel> eee why?
18:12 <@JonnyH> It's treating {int, int} as a 2-member initialiser list
18:12 < Istrebitel> yes
18:12 <@JonnyH> Not calling the constructor
18:12 < Istrebitel> oh?
18:12 < Istrebitel> lol
18:13 < Istrebitel> so in some cases {} is a constructor and in some its not
18:13 < TheSnide> JonnyH: that's expected
18:13 <@JonnyH> Type variable = {}; will try the initiaser list first
18:14 < Istrebitel> okay
18:14 < Istrebitel> it seems
18:14 < Istrebitel> the problem really was with two things
18:14 < Istrebitel> 1) double randBounds
18:14 < Istrebitel> 2) watch in VS2015 showing BOGUS values
18:14 < Istrebitel> like, i have LogWarning outputting i
18:14 < Istrebitel> it outpust 1
18:14 < Istrebitel> outputs
18:14 < Istrebitel> 1 or 2 or whatever i is
18:15 < Istrebitel> but watch gives -1
18:15 < Istrebitel> so I... THOUGHT.... there was a bug, while there was no bug anymore!
18:15 < TheSnide> JonnyH: ... do you want it to *define* a constructor ?
18:15 < Istrebitel> it works now on my end
18:15 < Istrebitel> after I fixed that bug
18:17 < Istrebitel> thanks for the help
18:17 < Istrebitel> now we have a working map generator
18:17 <@JonnyH> no, we want to call vector<T>(size_t n, const T& value)
18:17 <@JonnyH> with n = secCount + 1
18:17 <@JonnyH> and value = 0
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18:17 <@JonnyH> cool :)
18:19 <@JonnyH> see how useful sanitize is? :P
18:20 <@JonnyH> I couldn't use c++ without it now
18:20 <@JonnyH> Hopefully drmemory or something is similarly useful
18:21 <@JonnyH> one issue is that vector operator[] doesn't do bounds checking
18:21 <@JonnyH> vector.at() does, however
18:22 < TheSnide> {} and not () ?
18:22 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: what?
18:22 < TheSnide> op[] shall be *fast*
18:23 <@JonnyH> well, it's more it is guaranteed not to throw an exception :P
18:23 <@JonnyH> wrapping at() in try{} is a little annoying
18:23 <@JonnyH> as lots of people don't like exceptions for some reason
18:23 < TheSnide> to call the constructor, you should use () and not {} for init as you do
18:24 < TheSnide> but, what do you want to return if OOB ?
18:25 < TheSnide> out of bounda
18:26 < TheSnide> i mean, at() does check, but how does it tell "hey it is OOB!"
18:26 < TheSnide> if it cannot throw
18:27 <@JonnyH> .at can throw
18:27 <@JonnyH> operator[] may not
18:28 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: BTW the initial vector contents are already well defined to be 'all zero bits' for base typesa
18:28 <@JonnyH> so no need to give it a 'value' for that constructor
18:29 < TheSnide> JonnyH: i know ;) you were complaininh
18:30 <@JonnyH> I don't think I was complaining?
18:30 <@JonnyH> Might be you just get used to c++ weirdness though
18:31 <@JonnyH> 'principle of least surprise' is clearly not a goal for the stl api designers :P
18:34 < Istrebitel> JonnyH: well it won't let me construct without devault value
18:34 < Istrebitel> it says it cannot find (whatever) matching the arguments
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18:35 <@JonnyH> does .resize(count) fail too?
18:35 < Istrebitel> maybe not but resizing 3d vectors is not really going to look good
18:36 <@JonnyH> Well, that's what you're doing
18:36 <@JonnyH> Vector type(size)
18:36 <@JonnyH> is equivalent to Vector type(0); type.resize(size);
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18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be a pain to resize them 'in order' through :)
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> having a '3d vector type' might be useful
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> as we already 'hand write' something similar in the TileMap for the city
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19:13 < Istrebitel> all right
19:13 < Istrebitel> all bugs fixed
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work>  :D
19:13 < Istrebitel> map generator officially works and generates maps for any map
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Let me know when you think it's 'ready to merge'
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> so I can rebase my 'serialize maps separately' changes
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19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> and push to pmprog when I get them working together
19:15 < Istrebitel> yes I will be ready tomorrow by the time you're awake
19:15 < Istrebitel> its 22:15 here have to go
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> have a good night :)
19:15 < Istrebitel> tomorrow I'll fix all things, constructors, debug code, do clang and then push
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> You might want to enable travis-ci
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> for your git repository
19:16 < Istrebitel> erm what's that?
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can use it to test the linux build
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a continuous intergration system
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> the config file should already be in git (.travis.yml)
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> so if you just go to travis-ci.org
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> login with your github
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> and 'enable' it
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> it should start automatically building every time you push to github
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> it also runs some tests which might be useful
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and does a DataExtractor with the -fsanitize flag
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> which might have helped some of your debug today
19:17 < Istrebitel> okay i'll look into that
19:17 < Istrebitel> also, what do i have to add to that cmake file?
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Each CMakeLists.txt
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> should have a list of 'source' files and a list of 'header' files
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> relative to the CMakeLists.txt's directory
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20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/istrebitel-battlescape-serialization
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> work-in-progress hack to split out map 'sections'a nd tilesets
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> data/maps and data/tilesets
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> instead of having *everything* stored in the GameState from game start
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> they're loaded on demand
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> TODO: Lots of cleanup :)
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> it's a preview, when Istrebitel's stuff settles down I'll rebase it (as with the battle 'generator' putting together sections it'll likely need changes there too)
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> and I want to split the 'massive squash commit of all Istrebitel's work' a bit
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22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Whelp, I think I'm officially forking physfs
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> to enable mounding ISOs lower case
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23:47 <@JonnyH> I'm going to force everything to lowercase
23:47 <@JonnyH> then remove the 'GetCorrectcase' hack
23:47 <@JonnyH> and ban CAPS
23:47 <@JonnyH> they're evil :)
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14:58 < Istrebitel> I'm ready for pull or merge
14:58 < Istrebitel> and also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh2JVDgeS7s
14:58 <@JonnyH> Cool
14:58 <@JonnyH> I did a bit of work yesterday to standardise paths
14:58 <@JonnyH> so everything should be lower_case
14:59 <@JonnyH> as it was causing some issues (the 'case insensitive find' would break on some systems, be _really_ slow on others (it took >1 second to open a single file on android!)
14:59 <@JonnyH> And it caused issues like the extractor sometimes outputting loftemps.dat or LOFTEMPS.DAT depending on which thread ran first ;)
15:01 <@JonnyH> But I'll rebase my 'map section/tileset serialization split' onto your stuff this evening probably
15:01 <@JonnyH> And hopefully merge it into master :D
15:02 <@JonnyH> is that animation viewer your code?
15:02 <@JonnyH> Or from tacedit or something?
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15:12 < Istrebitel> our
15:12 < Istrebitel> I know how to animate things now
15:12 < Istrebitel> including weapons in hand
15:12 <@JonnyH> :D
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15:17 < Istrebitel> working on implementing units and items in battlescape now
15:17 < Istrebitel> also, we need to learn to read bigger loftemps
15:17 < Istrebitel> tactical loftemps can be twice as big, but they seem to use the same template
15:17 < Istrebitel> just sacle it
15:17 < Istrebitel> scale*
15:17 <@JonnyH> Do all tactical loftemps have the same size per 'tile'?
15:17 < Istrebitel> psimorph loftemp is a thin high wall, which fits the creature model
15:18 < Istrebitel> well, if I guessed right where they are
15:18 < Istrebitel> seems legit, gives cylinder for typical creatures, a "log" for worms
15:19 < Istrebitel> anwyays, psimorph is a high thin wall, so a 24x24 loftemp should be scaled obviously to fit a big model
15:19 <@JonnyH> bah, 'scaling' loftemps might be annoying
15:19 < Istrebitel> just 2x
15:19 < Istrebitel> should be easy
15:19 < Istrebitel> just fill new one based on base one
15:19 < Istrebitel> filling 4 cubes per 1 original
15:20 < Istrebitel> anyways, not urgent
15:20 < Istrebitel> big objects are going to be a PITA anyway
15:21 < Istrebitel> so for now I'll implement only regular ones
15:21 < Istrebitel> and have fully functional battlescape
15:21 < Istrebitel> then we can add support for larger things
15:21 <@JonnyH> yeah.. we need big objects for the cityscape too (large ufos)
15:21 <@JonnyH> so I've just been lazy avoiding it there too ;)
15:25 < Istrebitel> also, I suppose we will be loading units individually too
15:25 <@JonnyH> Probably...
15:26 < Istrebitel> and maybe we should make an object
15:26 < Istrebitel> or anything
15:26 < Istrebitel> that loads series of images
15:26 < Istrebitel> because if I implement it now
15:26 < Istrebitel> i will have about 2000 images
15:26 < Istrebitel> for 1 unit
15:27 < Istrebitel> and each will have to be individually described in xml
15:27 <@JonnyH> hmm.. yeah, having a separate serializable object per unit that's loaded on demand would probably be good then
15:27 < Istrebitel> I'll do it anyway
15:27 <@JonnyH> As Images are loaded upfront
15:27 < Istrebitel> but I think we could just say "load every image from this to this"
15:27 < Istrebitel> so that in xml, its like "path/1.png:path/100.png" or "pck:1:pck:100"
15:28 < Istrebitel> not 100 entries
15:28 <@JonnyH> heh, DataExtractor time with 4 threads: 200 seconds
15:28 <@JonnyH> DataExtractor time with 1 thread: 25 seconds :P
15:29 <@JonnyH> lock contention is a nasty thing
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15:40 < Pawlac_1> what
15:40 < Pawlac_1> how can 4 threads slow it down
15:40 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus the locked critical sections tend to be extremely short
15:40 <@JonnyH`Work> (Normally looking something up in a cache and returning it)
15:41 <@JonnyH`Work> so the deschedule caused by contention is higher cost than the actual work being done
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15:44 <@JonnyH`Work> a fancier lockless cache step would probably help
15:44 <@JonnyH`Work> or allow the cache to be per thread (possibly at the cost of loading some images multiple times)
15:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but not worth it for something that's not really normal use :)
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17:17 < Istrebitel> okay so this travis thing says my build failed with error: https://travis-ci.org/Istrebitel/OpenApoc/jobs/158687629
17:17 < Istrebitel> CMakeFiles/OpenApoc_DataExtractor.dir/extract_agent_equipment.cpp.o: In function `OpenApoc::TACP::getDTypeId(int)':
17:17 < Istrebitel> But "tacp.h" includes "game/state/rules/aequipment_type.h", which in turn includes "game/state/rules/damage.h", which defines DamageType!
17:17 < Istrebitel> What's the problem then?
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> That's a link error
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> so the cmake file is missing damage_rules.cpp?
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> anand aequipment_riles.cpp too by the look ofit
17:26 < Istrebitel> ah
17:26 < Istrebitel> I see
17:26 < Istrebitel> btw
17:26 < Istrebitel> is it okay to initialise stuff with something other than 0 / false
17:26 < Istrebitel> for example, vanilla's default "
17:27 < Istrebitel> AI Priority" value is 2
17:27 < Istrebitel> so if I initialise it with 2, it does make xml size smaller by a serious margin
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17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, init it to whatever seems best
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I just normally use 0/false as that's often the default
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Just if you change the default you likely have to regenerate the xml
17:35 < Istrebitel> yes
17:35 < Istrebitel> that's the question
17:35 < Istrebitel> should we always use 0/false so that we never encotuner such a problem
17:35 < Istrebitel> or should we use what's more frequently found in game files?
17:36 < Istrebitel> I think first is better, but at the same time...
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> If the default is the most freqent it'll make the xml smaller, which would be nice...
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> And for stuff like enums the 'first' is kinda arbitrary anyway...
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> So yeah, maybe non-0 defaults are ok
17:39 < Istrebitel> ....
17:40 < Istrebitel> on the second thought, no, better have everything the same
17:40 < Istrebitel> it's likely only case in the game where default is noit 0/false
17:40 < Istrebitel> aaand
17:40 < Istrebitel> we can change most of it anyway
17:40 < Istrebitel> since spawn flags for zero spawn priority tile mean nothing
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> at this point in development it probably doesn't matter if we have to change the default and regenerate
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> as we keep changing the data all the time anyway
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> So having the default as the 'most common value' makes sense
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. if a modder creates a new object it makes sense to only change 'needed' things
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18:57 < Istrebitel> btw I have questions again
18:57 < Istrebitel> Question 1: should we make proper unique generation for objects?
18:57 < Istrebitel> like for vehicles
18:57 < Istrebitel> you manually ++ the public static member
18:58 < Istrebitel> maybe instead a constructor should take a type and automatically increment the type's count?
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, and that really should be some atomic<int> too...
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Like a helper that generates a 'unique string' per type
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> and the constructor calls that?
19:01 < Istrebitel> well, something
19:02 < Istrebitel> question 2: how do we handle that game never runs of unique ids for agents, when aliens will be agents too
19:02 < Istrebitel> we will spawn many aliens
19:02 < Istrebitel> they'll die and never be used again
19:02 < Istrebitel> maybe we should pick an id that is first unused int?
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> uint32_t would require a _lot_ of missions to hit a limit...
19:04 < Istrebitel> wel... still, why make it limited when we don't have to?
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I like everything being unique
19:05 < Istrebitel> we reallly only need to permanently track agents that exist in cityscape
19:05 < Istrebitel> those must be unique
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> so if we leak a reference it'll clearly break
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than accidently hitting a different object with the same reused id
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> If you're worried change it to a uint64_t
19:06 < Istrebitel> well, maybe we can just give unique ids to player agents
19:06 < Istrebitel> oh i mean
19:07 < Istrebitel> not like right now, but "next unused number"
19:07 < Istrebitel> the only things that reference agents
19:07 < Istrebitel> are the map in gamestate, and tile objects
19:07 < Istrebitel> i mean, persistently reference, saved to disk
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19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Not quite sure what you mean then?
19:13 < Istrebitel> well I mean we track the ids of each agent
19:14 < Istrebitel> when we generate agent, we increment and id from 1 until we find an unused id
19:14 < Istrebitel> this could generate "leaks" but with agents that's hardly possible
19:14 < Istrebitel> because they're not stateref'ed anywhere
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> They probably should be in the future though
19:15 < Istrebitel> only their tileobject will stateref them, and that is discarded when battle is over
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Suff like agents in a vehicle will probably be StateRefs<> too
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> But what's wrong with just going AGENT_(count++)?
19:15 < Istrebitel> well, yes, but how come agent dies and does not get removed from a vehicle?
19:15 < Istrebitel> well I dunno
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Yes, it would be a bug
19:15 < Istrebitel> I always  thought
19:16 < Istrebitel> why make it limited when you can make it unlimited
19:16 < Istrebitel> i know int64 looks big but that's what people who designed IPv4 or date storage thought
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> The other option is more state tracking (a map of 'used' IDs or something?) that needs extra management
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> int64 _does_ look big :)
19:16 < Istrebitel> and now we reached this "big" number. humanity always does
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> ipv4 is 32bit limited
19:17 < Istrebitel> yeah but that seemed "big" at the time
19:17 < Istrebitel> just as fat32's 4gig per file seemed big
19:17 < Istrebitel> and so on )
19:17 < Pawlac_1> future proofing sounds nice tbh
19:17 < Istrebitel> back on topic
19:17 < Istrebitel> we don't need to track, we can afford an overhead of checking
19:17 < Istrebitel> we rarely create new agents
19:17 < Istrebitel> so we can just increment a number and see if an id is in the map
19:17 < Istrebitel> if not, we found a new id
19:17 < SupSuper> mind you most STL containers are limited to an integer size, so i'm sure that wouldn't be the only thing to break if we exceed int32 :p
19:17 < Istrebitel> like, is AGENT_1 taken? yes, then is AGENT_2 taken?
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> but scanning the list would become O(n)?
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> plus the sw complexity of tracking it?
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I see the 'limit' of a count for the lifetime of each save
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> is less bad than the extra complexity trying to solve a problem nobody will hit
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> If they could hit it, move to uint64_t
19:20 < Istrebitel> well I guess we will have to agree to disagree then
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> If that is possible to get hit, then we can look into more complex solutions
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I like the idea of never re-using
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> as if we do have a leak bug it should be obvious
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> and if we end up with something like soldier diaries, no ID will ever be reused (as 'every' agent will maintain some reference for the whole game)
19:22 < Istrebitel> erm
19:22 < Istrebitel> I was talking about aliens
19:23 < Istrebitel> not player agents
19:23 < Istrebitel> player agents are not going to be the problem
19:23 < Istrebitel> but enemy units are, since they're made in bunches and die in buhcnes
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Aliens are what, max ~40 or so per mission?
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> that's a *lot* of missions to get numeric_limits<uint32_t>::max()
19:23 < Istrebitel> as I said, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I see complexity as a cost here, and I'm not sure I see the benefit
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> there _is_ a benefit, I agree, when all things are equal arbitrary limits aren't great
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> but my point is I believe the benefit is so small, and it's not equal due to the complexity of tracking IDs (plus possibly hiding leaks over reuse)
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, hey SupSuper :)
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I was thinking about making everything lowercase for files
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> see my WIP/case_sensitive_files branch
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> as the case correction breaks some things
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> mainly being seriously slow on some platforms, and stuff like the dataextractor randomly changing between different cases of the same thing depending on which happened to be loaded first
19:28 < Istrebitel> question 3: What objects need to have id as a field? and Name?
19:30 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: how does that work?
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> You mean it changing?
19:30 < SupSuper> right, how did it work before and how does it work now :p
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Previously, every time we opened a file
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> we actually did a full recusive find of the directory structure matching case-insensitive
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Afterwards, you have to be correct in case
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> (with the physfs iso standardised in lower_case everything)
19:32 < SupSuper> huh
19:32 < SupSuper> in openxcom we just build an index of every file in the data folder and can just case-insensitive lookup there
19:33 < SupSuper> it does mean you can't have same files just with differing cases, but i think that's a feature :p
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I've done if (path.containsCapital) LogError("Stop that"): P
19:34 < SupSuper> lol
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> so I guess it too disallows different case files
19:34 < SupSuper> well you have an iso, we aren't that fortunate :P
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I was intending that to be there in my wip in case I missed one
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> But if that's worth shipping... :P
19:53 < Istrebitel> my q has been lost it seems, JonnyH, what objects need to have id as a field? and Name?
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the ID is only there for informational prints?
19:56 < SupSuper> worse comes to worse, just use GUIDs, it's not like we need to pretty-print them, and would make code slightly cleaner than "get_last_id + 1"
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> uuidgen :P
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20:17 < SupSuper> i think you're starting to rub off on me JonnyH`Work
20:17 < SupSuper> today at work i created a... separate branch :o
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Mwahaha! The last resistance crumbles!
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Soon you'll be using SHAs to identify codebases in conversation!
20:19 < SupSuper> well i nearly wiped my work in the process, so i guess it was good practice
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> how the hell do you wipe anything creating a branch?
20:20 < SupSuper> well i already had all my work on the main branch, and wanted to move it to a separate one
20:20 < SupSuper> and in all the commotion git forgot all about it :p thank god for git reflog
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> git reflog is the "Oh crap" safety net
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> At work we use p4
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I hate that thing
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> especially as the main server is in the UK
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> over some really narrow flakey vpn link -_-
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> We once shut the thing down to 'restore' the tree
20:22 < SupSuper> lol
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> after someone accidently typo'd a view spec for a new branck
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> (in p4 'branches' are just like directories)
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> and ended up instead of creating a copy of /code/driver to /branches/my_driver
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> he ended up copying EVERY file in the repository in the same place, with a 'my_driver' suffix
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> IE /code/driver/code.cmy_driver appears :)
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> apparently the only way of undoing things is to then shutdown the server and start poking around in the database manually...
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Not my most productive day
20:25 < SupSuper> at least git is much easier, you just fill the server with revert commits and hope people look the other way :p
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> or someone uses 'git push -f' with really understanding the ramifications...
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Most of the time servers disallow that sort of stuff
20:25 < SupSuper> good thing nobody knows how to use a command line here :p
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> and deleting branches actually moves them into a 'recycle bin' sorta thing
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> I've still yet to find a 'good' git gui
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe for 'simple' usage, but I've tasted the forbidden fruit
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> and can never go back :P
20:28 < SupSuper> so far the best gui i've found is smartgui
20:28 < SupSuper> the secret is it costs money :P
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> gitk is 'really powerful'
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> but only a 'gui' in the way it _technically_ uses graphics...
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Clearly designed by the same sort of person who does the cmdline design :)
20:29 < SupSuper> i don't need really powerful, i need really visual :p
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> AKA has a loose grasp of reality
20:29 < SupSuper> i don't mind using the command line for the occasional thing, but when i'm digging through logs and commiting changes i really want a gui
20:29 < SupSuper> for unfucking things, command line is fine :p
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, stuff like that is useful for exploring/figuring out what needs to be done
20:30 < SupSuper> i don't think anyone will never make a sane conflict gui though
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I nearly always go back to the editor
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> and >>> merge conflict markers :)
20:31 < SupSuper> god i'd die
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus I likely need to see context to see if the new chunk still makes sense anyway
20:33 < SupSuper> well guis are pretty good at diffing the whole thing, but they're really bad at letting you solve it. "ok i want a bit of this chunk, and a bit of that chunk. how do i do that? wait which chunk came from where anyways? ours? theirs???"
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Looking forward to semantic patching becoming mainstream
20:38 < SupSuper> but when are we getting binary patching :p
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00:37 < Thinky> Wow, that is a lot of progress, props to Jonny, Sup, and all the new guys!
00:43 < SupSuper> they do good work
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07:40 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Away: seems it exists since 2009 https://lwn.net/Articles/315686/
07:40 < TheSnide> .. but not mainstream indeed.
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17:47 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
17:47 < Istrebitel> Could you help me with what I posed on the forums?
17:47 < Istrebitel> Wierd bugs travis encountered
17:47 < Istrebitel> Weird*
17:47 <@JonnyH> Sure, I'll have a look
17:50 < Istrebitel> Also, I decided to rewrite tileview so that both city and battle can use it
17:50 <@JonnyH> Cool
17:50 < Istrebitel> because otherwise EVERYTHING gets copied, almost, and it's obviously not the way to go
17:51 <@JonnyH> I was kinda expecting quite a bit to be shared
17:51 < Istrebitel> tile, tileview, tileobject, tileobject_xyz, and so on
17:56 <@JonnyH> RE:gcc builds
17:56 <@JonnyH> you need to #include <map> in xorshift.h
17:56 < Pawlac> since they are sharing stuff, you can use the city map as battle scape?
17:56 <@JonnyH> It doesn't know what an std::map is
17:58 < Istrebitel> why does stuff works in VS but not in GCC or others?
17:58 <@JonnyH> I've seen things where another header happens to #include others
17:58 < SupSuper> Istrebitel: c++ has very loose standard
17:59 <@JonnyH> The standard states what headers have to export
17:59 <@JonnyH> but msvc happens to export much more too
17:59 <@JonnyH> gcc used to, but recently they had a concerted effort to clean that up
18:01 < Istrebitel> okay so is that it?
18:01 < Istrebitel> or something else?
18:01 < Istrebitel> that checkbox
18:02 < Istrebitel> must be something else?
18:02 < SupSuper> it's a good general rule to make sure you have the header for anything std:: even if it doesn't error
18:06 < SupSuper> not sure what the checkbox error is about, sounds like you're casting a pointer to the wrong type? i don't know anywhere we use boost::any
18:07 <@JonnyH> stuff like include-what-you-use can check for headers
18:07 <@JonnyH> but it kinda screws up for boost and similar, it keeps trying to include internal headers :P
18:08 < SupSuper> not even computers can figure out boost :P
18:09 < SupSuper> i mean have you looked at a boost header. you can't even find a native type on there, everything is typedefs
18:10 < Istrebitel> well I've not touched checkbox i think
18:11 < Istrebitel> thats why I don't get why it erred there
18:12 <@JonnyH> what's the checkbox error? With that it sees to build locally for me...
18:13 < SupSuper> travis being travis?
18:13 <@JonnyH> THe log is truncated at 10k lines? :P
18:13 <@JonnyH> Maybe fix some of those warnings
18:14 < SupSuper> http://openapoc.pmprog.co.uk/index.php?topic=150.msg1366#msg1366
18:14 <@JonnyH> oh, that's an address checker error...
18:16 <@JonnyH> I guess it's not actually a build failure? Just the last thing printed was checkbox.cpp as it's parallelised a build task?
18:16 < Istrebitel> oh
18:16 < Istrebitel> btw about constructors
18:16 < Istrebitel> auto &bx = Battle({ chunk_size.x * size.x, chunk_size.y * size.y,
18:16 < Istrebitel> 			chunk_size.z * size.z }, destroyed_ground_tile, rubble_left_wall, rubble_right_wall,
18:16 < Istrebitel> 			rubble_scenery, mission_type, mission_location_id, player_craft);
18:16 < Istrebitel> 		
18:16 < Istrebitel> 		auto b = mksp<Battle>({ chunk_size.x * size.x, chunk_size.y * size.y,
18:16 < Istrebitel> 		chunk_size.z * size.z }, destroyed_ground_tile, rubble_left_wall, rubble_right_wall,
18:16 < Istrebitel> 		rubble_scenery, mission_type, mission_location_id, player_craft);
18:16 <@JonnyH> I'll run it locally just to check...
18:16 < Istrebitel> 		
18:16 < Istrebitel> first thing works
18:17 < Istrebitel> no instance of function template "OpenApoc::mksp" matches the argument list	
18:17 < Istrebitel> for second
18:17 <@JonnyH> You might need to construct the first to a Vec3<>
18:17 <@JonnyH> as the mksp<>(Args...) constructor may block type inference
18:19 < Istrebitel> oh i see
18:19 < Istrebitel> mksp<> does not know what constructor arguments are
18:19 < Istrebitel> ?
18:19 < Istrebitel> until after it passes them?
18:19 < Istrebitel> so it must be explicitly told types
18:19 <@JonnyH> mksp<T> just forwards them on to the T::T constructor
18:20 < SupSuper> i hate templates :p
18:20 < Istrebitel> but if it forwards why won't it forward the {,,}?
18:20 < Istrebitel> why can T constructor take {,,} but not the template?
18:20 <@JonnyH> I believe the argument list has to be pushed to a type before the forwarding happens
18:21 <@JonnyH> so at that point it doesn't know it's expecting a VEc3<>, so doesn't lookup a Vec3 constructor that can take that argument list
18:21 < SupSuper> yeah if you don't specify the type for a {} constructor, it has to infer it, and in a template it probably can't
18:21 < SupSuper> you can just add it, ala Vec3<int>{ chunk_size.x * size.x, chunk_size.y * size.y,
18:21 < SupSuper>  chunk_size.z * size.z }
18:21 <@JonnyH> I think that's put in there as a limit to the requirements on type inference complexity
18:22 < SupSuper> vec's have a bunch of implicit type conversions as well so that probably doesn't help :p
18:22 <@JonnyH> If in doubt, declare a type :)
18:23 < SupSuper> if in doubt, blame c++ :p
18:23 <@JonnyH> :)
18:23 <@JonnyH> Time to rewrite in $(COOL_LANGUAGE_DE_JOUR)?
18:23 <@JonnyH> rust maybe?
18:23 < SupSuper> go? :p
18:24 <@JonnyH> go is old hat, I bet it even has a stable syntax...
18:24 <@JonnyH> What could be more fresh than a language that changes syntax every release?
18:26 < Istrebitel> oh and btw we have two voxel.h/cpp files
18:26 < Istrebitel> one in gamestate, one in libraries
18:26 < Istrebitel> can we rename one?
18:27 < Istrebitel> it's really confusing
18:27 < Istrebitel> or is it intended?
18:29 <@JonnyH> sure, rename one if you want
18:29 <@JonnyH> tileview/voxel.cpp probably could be collision.cpp or something
18:30 < SupSuper> poxel? :p
18:39 <@JonnyH> Blerg, it's been a busy week
18:39 <@JonnyH> Hope you don't mind if I veg out watching terrible tv instead of anything useful for openapc :)
18:43 < SupSuper> that's my life motto
18:43 <@JonnyH> I might even order a pizza or something
18:43 <@JonnyH> Go 100% slob
18:55 <@JonnyH> loca sanitize build seems ok
18:55 <@JonnyH> But there's an issue with the version of boost (naturally :) ubuntu uses IIRC
18:56 <@JonnyH> where some of the format stuff does 'techinically' undefined things
19:08 <@JonnyH> Oh, looks like test_serialize is running out of memory when the memory checker is enabled on travis...
19:08 <@JonnyH> Just ignore that build for now :)
19:08 < SupSuper> lol
19:08 < SupSuper> don't tell me you're serializing the entire thing for testing :p
19:08 <@JonnyH> Serialize in, serialize out, serialize in again, compare the two
19:09 < SupSuper> you should probably have a test subset though
19:10 <@JonnyH> it does that for each of a 'newly' started game
19:10 <@JonnyH> an 'started game' but not yet initState()
19:10 <@JonnyH> and a game that's just loaded, not started or inited
19:11 <@JonnyH> Maybe split those three up or something :)
19:11 <@JonnyH> as the memory checker adds a lot of overhead depending on 'recent' mappings (IE free'ing something may not immediately release the memory it was using, it instead marks it bad to trap use-after-frees)
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19:39 < Istrebitel> 'std::equal::_Unchecked_iterators': decorated name length exceeded, name was truncated (compiling source file gamestate_serialize_generated.cpp)
19:39 < Istrebitel> is this serious?
20:23 < Istrebitel> okay, it was pretty easy, now we're using the same tile and tileview and tileobject and everything works fine
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16:50 < Istrebitel> erm... what can cause a valid value become a "Struct at NULL"?
16:50 < Istrebitel> I have such constructor:
16:50 < Istrebitel> TileView::TileView(TileMap &map, Vec3<int> isoTileSize, Vec2<int> stratTileSize,
16:50 < Istrebitel>                    TileViewMode initialMode, Mode mode)
16:51 < Istrebitel> I use it this way:
16:51 < Istrebitel> TileView(*state->current_battle->map, Vec3<int>{BATTLE_TILE_X, BATTLE_TILE_Y, BATTLE_TILE_Z},...
16:51 < Istrebitel> state->current_battle->map is up<TileMap>
16:51 < Istrebitel> *state->current_battle->map is of type TileMap
16:52 < Istrebitel> the same exact thing works for cities, they call it with *state->current_city->map
16:52 < Istrebitel> same types
16:52 < Istrebitel> when I call it, state->current_battle->map is properly pointing to a valid map
16:52 < Istrebitel> when inside constructor, map is "struct at NULL"
17:00 < Istrebitel> can it be because I'm calling shared_from_this on battle just before that?...
17:04 < Istrebitel> okay so  it is
17:04 < Istrebitel> how do I call shared-from-this without making other pointers lose ownership?\
17:07 < Istrebitel> I mean, do I have to store shared pointer to an object within itself?.....
17:59 < SupSuper> i don't know much about that, the only thing i know is you can only call shared_from_this on objects that are already being held by a shared pointer
18:01 < SupSuper> so you can't access a this shared_ptr in a constructor or something, and the object must have already been created in a shared_ptr
18:23 < Istrebitel> thats the thing, if I call shared_from_this, it bugs out
18:23 < Istrebitel> on an object that 's already held by sp<>
18:23 < Istrebitel> if I do not, everything's fine
18:23 < Istrebitel> basically, I have class Battle
18:23 < Istrebitel> it holds list of sp<BattleItem>
18:24 < Istrebitel> I want BattleItem to link to Battle
18:24 < Istrebitel> so I do BattleItem.battle = shared_from_this() in Battle::Init()
18:24 < Istrebitel> and this makes gamestate->current_battle bug out
18:24 < Istrebitel> current_battle is of  sp<Battle>
18:46 < SupSuper> are you creating a circular reference?
18:46 < SupSuper> when is Init called?
19:08 < Istrebitel> no
19:08 < Istrebitel> or
19:08 < Istrebitel> ah, I see
19:08 < Istrebitel> maybe yes
19:09 < Istrebitel> but it allows me to do it if I pass sp<Battle> in the function
19:09 < Istrebitel> if Battle::Init() takes sp<Battle> as a parameter, everything works
19:09 < Istrebitel> even though I now get it I'm creating a memory leak it seems
19:10 < SupSuper> i guess check how ui Controls are set up since i believe they all have parent-child shared pointers
19:10 < SupSuper> might have to make a weak pointer or something
19:10 < SupSuper> i'm not good with smart pointers
19:10 < Istrebitel> the question still stands though
19:11 < Istrebitel> sp<Battle> p = mksp<Battle>();
19:11 < Istrebitel> p->Init()
19:11 < Istrebitel> inside p->Init() we use shared_from_this()
19:11 < Istrebitel> p is dead.
19:11 < Istrebitel> why?
19:12 < Istrebitel> if we pass p to Init as a param, it's fine
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19:12 < SupSuper> what's Init look like
19:12 < Istrebitel> Init just assigns p to some object's properties
19:12 < Istrebitel> for (auto i: items) i->battle = shared_from_this()
19:13 < Istrebitel> or i->battle = in_parameter
19:15 < SupSuper> well when you're passing by parameter you're explicitly creating a copy
19:15 < SupSuper> i don't know how shared_from_this works though
19:15 < Istrebitel> well when i"M passing a paramter it works
19:15 < SupSuper> paging dr. JonnyH`Away
19:15 < Istrebitel> when I'm not passing anything it dies next time i try to access it
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19:39 <@JonnyH> hey, sp<> problems?
19:39 <@JonnyH> Nothing wrong with that from what I cansee Istrebitel 
19:40 <@JonnyH> the parent 'p' variable should keep the variable alive, so shared_from_this() should work...
19:40 <@JonnyH> Pretty much the only shared_from_this 'gotcha' is you can't use it in the constructor
19:43 < Istrebitel> well, I'll try again tomorrow, but it was pretty reproducable
19:43 < Istrebitel> btw is vehicle intendedto have 0 bounds
19:43 < Istrebitel> tileobject_vehicle that is
19:43 <@JonnyH> No :)
19:44 <@JonnyH> the idea of the bounds if to select which tiles we have to calculate collision for
19:44 <@JonnyH> So it should be an overestimate if anything...
19:45 <@JonnyH> and I did commit the 'extract all images' program
19:45 <@JonnyH> tools/dump_everything
19:45 <@JonnyH> Have I not pushed that to pmprog actually...
19:45 <@JonnyH> It's not in the windows build yet though :)
19:46 <@JonnyH> 'struct at NULL' and 'this is 0x08'
19:46 <@JonnyH> are due to methods being called on a nullptr
19:47 <@JonnyH> e.g. Type *something = nullptr;
19:47 <@JonnyH> something->method();
19:47 <@JonnyH> would cause those issues
19:47 <@JonnyH> now the question is /why/ they're null :)
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02:30 < Thinky> So JonnyH, if you are here, just want to let you know that I have once again acquired my laptop, thus I should be able to help a little bit here and there. If community management is what you need, I would love to make a schedule and timeline with you.
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17:20 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH!
17:20 < Istrebitel> I've done items, with collision and movement and stuff, and am now working on units
17:21 <@JonnyH> Cool
17:21 < Istrebitel> I have a question about game time
17:21 <@JonnyH> I'm just merging in your pull request as we speak :)
17:21 < Istrebitel> why was 60 chosen as ticks per second?
17:21 <@JonnyH> 'caus my vsync was set at 60fps at the time
17:21 <@JonnyH> I believe it probably should be '36' to match the x86 timer used in the original
17:21 <@JonnyH> But as we currently lock update/draw
17:21 < Istrebitel> I have tried to calculate and it seems that animation speed for static animations is either 16 or 14 frames per second
17:22 <@JonnyH> that means it won't be vsync synchronised
17:22 <@JonnyH> the original used 36/2 IIRC
17:22 < Istrebitel> so I should see 18
17:22 <@JonnyH> so probably should be 18fps at normal speed
17:22 < Istrebitel> well, what I did was force units to go prone/stand over and over
17:23 < Istrebitel> they did 10 times full cycle in 10 seconds on game clock
17:23 < Istrebitel> going prone is 7 frames, 8 th frame is the one layong on the floor
17:23 < Istrebitel> looks like 16 frames per second
17:23 < Istrebitel> however I may have had delays since I was doing it manually
17:23 <@JonnyH> I believe it should be 18
17:23 < Istrebitel> in that case it could 18
17:23 < Istrebitel> be*
17:23 <@JonnyH> so there may be an extra frame of 'lying down' either side
17:23 < Istrebitel> yes or delays
17:24 <@JonnyH> or dosbox's timer isn't that accurate
17:24 < Istrebitel> well
17:24 < Istrebitel> I wasn't measureing seconds
17:24 < Istrebitel> I'm meaning ingameclock seconds
17:24 < Istrebitel> not real world seconds
17:24 <@JonnyH> but it sould like 18 is within the margin for error
17:25 <@JonnyH> BTW from now on can you use a new branch each time you want to merge?
17:25 < Istrebitel> how do I do it in an easy way?
17:25 < Istrebitel> clone branch after push?
17:25 <@JonnyH> As the way github pull requests work is they 'update' the previous one if you update the branch later (e.g. you start working on the next feature)
17:26 < Istrebitel> yes I know
17:26 < Istrebitel> would that suffice?
17:26 <@JonnyH> To create a new branch checkout the revision you want as your starting point
17:26 <@JonnyH> then click the 'branch' icon at the top to create a new branch from that point
17:26 < Istrebitel> okay thanks
17:26 < Istrebitel> On topic: I don't think people would care about wether standart speed's clock matches real world clock, would they?
17:26 <@JonnyH> (It's the icon to the left of the current branch name)
17:27 <@JonnyH> No, especially as you rarely play the game at 'normal' speed in realtime
17:27 < Istrebitel> I think we could go 72 without problems
17:27 < Istrebitel> as our ticks per second
17:27 < Istrebitel> and have normal be 2 ticks
17:27 <@JonnyH> Normally either 'slowest' if something is happening, or 'fastest' waiting for the next event :)
17:28 < Istrebitel> exactly
17:28 <@JonnyH> I could decouple draw/update, but that sounds like a lot of work...
17:28 < Istrebitel> decouple?
17:28 < Istrebitel> oh
17:28 < Istrebitel> do we draw once per tick??
17:28 <@JonnyH> Currently we draw exactly once each update
17:28 < Istrebitel> I thought drawing should be done in some OnIdle handler... usually?
17:29 <@JonnyH> Yeah, but if you have a callback thread for drawing
17:29 < Istrebitel> that way slower framerate does not screw up with playing that much
17:29 <@JonnyH> you'd have to lock the gamestate or something during the draw to make sure it's not being changed under you
17:30 <@JonnyH> It's certainly do-able, but at this point it's not really the lowest hanging fruit :)
17:30 < Istrebitel> I'm not that experienced game dev, but every game I saw did draw in OnIdle handler of some sorts, sometimes also limiting the framerate usually to 60
17:31 <@JonnyH> For a game like this you probably want vsync enabled
17:31 <@JonnyH> which means the render thread will likely block until the previous frame is offscreen in swapBuffers()
17:31 <@JonnyH> (Or on some gpu drivers the first draw call after swapBuffers())
17:32 <@JonnyH> You can see this in the json trace if you --enable-tracing :)
17:32 <@JonnyH> It can be decoupled with some work, but at this point I don't think it'd give a great benefit
17:32 < Istrebitel> Well, what do we go then, 36 or 72 fps?
17:33 <@JonnyH> If we reduce the update to 36 it'll likely mean you get slight judder as in most frames you'd get a new draw every 2 frames (1/30 a second)
17:33 <@JonnyH> but sometimes you'd get 2 new ones in a row
17:33 <@JonnyH> so not very smooth unless we just round down to 30
17:33 < Istrebitel> we could do 72
17:33 <@JonnyH> But then we have the same issue
17:34 <@JonnyH> if you have a 60hz display (most common)
17:34 <@JonnyH> most frames will have 1 update 'tick'
17:34 <@JonnyH> but some would end up with 2
17:34 < Istrebitel> well as you said we're not going to spend time decoupling it right now
17:34 < Istrebitel> so we don't really have much choice
17:34 < Istrebitel> should be 36 or 72
17:34 <@JonnyH> currently it just slows down to the lowest multiple of the fps
17:34 <@JonnyH> so if you set the frame rate to 36
17:35 <@JonnyH> IT'll probably actually end up being closer to 30 
17:35 < Istrebitel> tthen it should be 72
17:35 < Istrebitel> so it will be 60
17:35 <@JonnyH> Or disable vsync
17:35 <@JonnyH> it would update at 36, but likely tear...
17:36 <@JonnyH> Unless you have a 144hz monitor, or freesync or something
17:36 < Istrebitel> well 72 looks like the best choice then?
17:36 <@JonnyH> The 'best' solution would be decouple and interpolate objects
17:36 <@JonnyH> e.g. the position may only be update 1/36 of a second
17:36 < Istrebitel> of course
17:36 < Istrebitel> but we're not doing that?
17:36 <@JonnyH> but the draws would do a linear interpolation of the previous/next tick
17:37 <@JonnyH> No, we just use the position calculated at the last update tick
17:37 < Istrebitel> I mean, what do we go for now?
17:37 < Istrebitel> since we're not spending time on that yet
17:37 <@JonnyH> It would mean having to add a 'previous' and 'next' copy for everything that has a position
17:38 <@JonnyH> If we leave the tick rate at 70
17:38 <@JonnyH> ..60 sorry
17:38 <@JonnyH> everything will actually run 'too fast'
17:38 <@JonnyH> 60/36 times too fast
17:38 < Istrebitel> I will fix constants
17:39 <@JonnyH> Yeah, the 'time scale' constants I put in were guessed to make it 'look about right' for projectile movement
17:39 <@JonnyH> they weren't accurate at all
17:39 < Istrebitel> well fixing that will be easy
17:39 <@JonnyH> If we assume each tick is 1/36 of as second and setup all the scale/constantants accordingly
17:39 < Istrebitel> we need to fix object movement and research
17:39 <@JonnyH> for now everything will visually run 'fast'
17:40 <@JonnyH> but when we decouple the update/draw it'll all work correctly with no changes to the gamestate itself
17:40 < Istrebitel> why will it run fast if we fix consts?
17:40 <@JonnyH> I mean visually run fast
17:40 <@JonnyH> If in 1 second of 'real time'
17:40 <@JonnyH> we update() 60 times
17:40 <@JonnyH> while all the constants were expecting only 36 ticks per second of 'real time'
17:41 < Istrebitel> but it's easy t ofix em
17:41 < Istrebitel> to fix them*
17:41 < Istrebitel> its vehicles, projectiles and research
17:41 <@JonnyH> that means the ingame clock will actually progress 60/36 seconds (1.67 seconds)
17:41 < Istrebitel> that's easy to fix really
17:41 < Istrebitel> just several consts
17:41 <@JonnyH> I want the game state to be deterministic though
17:42 <@JonnyH> as in 1 tick on my computer is the same as 1 tick on yours
17:42 < Istrebitel> it won't?
17:42 <@JonnyH> no matter if you're running on a really fast PC, or some mobile device that can't actually update 60 times a second
17:42 < Istrebitel> and?
17:43 <@JonnyH> It should be fine, I'm just saying if you find yourself using the 'real' time in the update loop please avoid that
17:43 < Istrebitel> wahy?
17:43 < Istrebitel> I just want to change the ticks per second
17:43 < Istrebitel> that's it
17:43 < Istrebitel> from 60 to 72
17:43 <@JonnyH> that's fine
17:43 < Istrebitel> and all constants accordingly
17:44 <@JonnyH> I'm just saying the general plan, not about that specific change
17:44 < Istrebitel> that would mean it will work just like it did, except drawing a bit too fast
17:44 <@JonnyH> Yeah, changing the tick rate to72 (or 36) plus the movement 'scales' is fine
17:44 < Istrebitel> general plan is switch to 72 ticks per second, fix all consts (in gametime class and everywhere else), check that everythign works fine
17:44 <@JonnyH> as the resulting values only depend on the 'tick count'
17:45 < Istrebitel> and then we can animate properly without problem
17:45 < Istrebitel> 4 ticks per frame
17:45 <@JonnyH> Depends on how the animation rate scales with the rest of the game
17:46 <@JonnyH> If projectiles are moving 'every tick'
17:46 <@JonnyH> then the animations will be 4x too slow :)
17:46 < Istrebitel> projectiles need to be redone anyway
17:46 < Istrebitel> they're not drawn properly now
17:46 <@JonnyH> Yeah, the scale is completely made up there
17:46 < Istrebitel> not only that, they must be drawn separately for every point, for turning projectiles to work
17:46 <@JonnyH> I *think* it should be in voxel units (the 'velocity' is in units of 1/{32,32,16} of a tile
17:47 < Istrebitel> well scale is fine
17:47 < Istrebitel> we just need to chang ethe constant we divide by
17:47 < Istrebitel> right now it's 15
17:47 <@JonnyH> Having a queue of previous points should do for turning projectiles...
17:47 < Istrebitel> yes
17:47 < Istrebitel> spawn new poin when enough ticks pased
17:47 <@JonnyH> it currently uses the 'velocity' and draws a line backwards
17:47 <@JonnyH> but we can override that for non-beams
17:47 < Istrebitel> and point animates through projkectle sprites
17:47 < Istrebitel> I think we draw everything the same
17:48 < Istrebitel> that would be a simple solution
17:48 <@JonnyH> true, I just treat missiles at 'beams' for now
17:48 < Istrebitel> and not really that much slower
17:48 <@JonnyH> Don't worry about speed :)
17:48 <@JonnyH> We can optimise later
17:48 < Istrebitel> okay so
17:48 < Istrebitel> you will merge today, the separate loading?
17:49 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/istrebitel-battlescape-merge
17:49 <@JonnyH> has your work
17:49 <@JonnyH> and my pck fixes
17:49 < Istrebitel> yes
17:49 <@JonnyH> and lower_case names everywhere :)
17:49 < Istrebitel> will you merge it to pmprog?
17:49 <@JonnyH> I need to put my 'separate loading' stuff on top of that
17:49 <@JonnyH> then I'll push to pmprog/master
17:49 < Istrebitel> okay after you do I will update and then introduce the time change
17:50 < Istrebitel> and go on working with units
17:50 < Istrebitel> okay thanks, gotta run now!
17:52 <@JonnyH> o7
17:55 <@JonnyH> If you're still around, I'll just let you know I need to go to work
17:55 <@JonnyH> So I'll do the last merge this evening my time :)
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17:55 < Istrebitel> will you merge today
17:55 < Istrebitel> into pmprog?
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Yes
17:55 < Istrebitel> I'll return only tomorrow
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably before you wake up tomorrow
17:55 < Istrebitel> so when i wake up it will be done most likely
17:55 < Istrebitel> yep
17:56 < Istrebitel> oh
17:56 < Istrebitel> wait
17:56 < Istrebitel> if you're not mergeing yet
17:56 < Istrebitel> can I push 1 more change?
17:56 < Istrebitel> where I have done items
17:56 < Istrebitel> ?
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll do items as a different merge anyway
17:56 < Istrebitel> so I can push?
17:56 < Istrebitel> in master?
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, push
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I've already snapshotted your master
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> so I can pull new changes as a different merge
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18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Hi sup
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Big merge incoming :)
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Plus my 'ban UPPERCASE filenames'
18:28 < SupSuper> :o
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18:29 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 8 new commits to master: https://git.io/viub5
18:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ff3ecba Jonathan Hamilton: Big merge of Istrebitel's battlescape fixes...
18:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 040679f Jonathan Hamilton: Format
18:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6c76772 Jonathan Hamilton: Enable LOFTEMPS to be loaded as 'images'
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18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm currently in the process or splitting out the map sections/tilesets to be loaded separately
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> so the data/ stuff should get smaller sometime this evening
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> but with that you should be able to view any generated map
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> the 'goto battle' button now pops up a 'which map?' ui
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> All Istrebitel's good work :)
18:32 < SupSuper> how soon until we need git-lfs :p
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> A full master is ~27mb
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Not really an issue I guess
19:11 < SupSuper> pulled everything and now the game won't load
19:12 < SupSuper> spends a long time loading and then it errors with "No city matching pointer 0C36737C"
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> huh...
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe remove gamestate_serailize_Generate.cpp/.h and try again?
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> If the dependency tracking on them has gone wrong
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19:55 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: where's that?
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> game/state IIRC
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> It's generated
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm firing up my windows machine now to check
19:58 < SupSuper> did that, still shitting itself
19:58 < SupSuper> spending a good minute loading on release is never a good sign :p
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> that should be fixed by my split-up-map-loading stuff
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> as currently it loads EVERY map at startup
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> which is less than ideal...
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> damn, it _is_ slow to load on windows...
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> but it did load for me...
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> x64|Release
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe it's still using an old data/ directory?
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> does 'git status' show any changes/missing files?
20:10 < SupSuper> nope
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> 'no city matching pointer' is really bad...
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> It means it successfully looked up a city
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> then it disappeared later...
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> wich difficulty BTW?
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> shouldn't make a difference, but you never know
20:12 < SupSuper> beginner
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll try win32
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> as that's what you're using I guess from the pointer?
20:13 < SupSuper> yup
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, wonder if it runs out of address space (2gb for win32?)
20:14 < SupSuper> i really hope your code isn't that bad :p
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Not mine!
20:15 < SupSuper> well your serialization...
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> It does load *all* maps and images into memory
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Nothing specific to the serialization, it's just what Istrebitel's code does
20:16 < SupSuper> yeah x64 works fine
20:16 < SupSuper> the game goes over 2gb loading so that might be it
20:17 < SupSuper> and down to 500mb afterwards
20:17 < SupSuper> maybe don't keep so much xml in memory at once?
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm suprised you don't get some kind of runtime error when it fails to allocate...
20:18 < SupSuper> well it's a release build
20:19 < SupSuper> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396 you could force large addresses on win32 :p
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, this will be fixed by my map split anyway
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> IT'll load less than 1/50th of the data :)
20:20 < SupSuper> you could always just load maps on demand...
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> that's what my split does
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> splits out all maps to they're each their own serialziation 'root'
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> so can be loaded independently
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20:30 < SupSuper> though even if you fix the loading issue, the game currently uses 2gb on xml alone :v
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> ~350 mb of each difficulty is the needlessly copied maps
20:31 < SupSuper> i tried to get vs to debug the memory but it ran out of disk space
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> wat
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> disk space?
20:31 < SupSuper> well detailed dumps of heap space are probably big
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm probably going to tweak Istrebitel's gamestate structures a bit too
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> No need to have everything in the gamestate root...
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> It's starting to get rather messy there
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21:58 < SupSuper> btw don't know if there've been any optimizations but the battlescape speed seems much faster now
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Not since my renderer buffer changes AFAICT
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> but you said at the time that didn't help
22:00 < SupSuper> maybe something about x64? *shrugs*
22:01 < SupSuper> or they just didn't work immediately
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, x64 is a better isa than x86 :P
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I'd be surprised if it wasn't faster
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> With any sane codegen...
22:04 < SupSuper> apparently your auto-generated serializer does this: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/074af4b6.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396
22:05 <@JonnyH`Work> fixed sized buffers in this day and age?
22:05 < SupSuper> good thing we can't debug on windows anyway :v
22:06 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/game/state/battle/battleunitanimation.h#L61
22:06 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a pretty silly type though....
22:06 <@JonnyH`Work> >>>>>>
22:08 < SupSuper> good thing c++11 fixed >>>>>>
22:09 < SupSuper> what is this, a sixtuple lookup
22:10 < SupSuper> you could probably just collapse all those keys into one class. a tuple if you're feeling lazy :p
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> >>>>>>, otherwise known as 3x operator>>
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Or 1 operator>, 2 operator>> and a end of a template...
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Or...
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22:12 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 192df1c SupSuper: Move fadeout effect to cityview
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22:12 < SupSuper> mmm i love elegant solutions
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22:21 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ff1362a Jonathan Hamilton: Fix some unused-variable warnings...
22:21 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c286560 Jonathan Hamilton: Make battlemap entry/exit flag extraction clearer...
22:21 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e34964a Jonathan Hamilton: Big stack of warning fixes...
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22:26 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3762458 Jonathan Hamilton: Reduce out-of-8x8-bounds stratmap pixel warning to info...
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22:30 < SupSuper> slow day at work?
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Low hanging little thingies while sitting in a meeting :)
22:31 < SupSuper> be careful with those unsigneds though, they always cause fun hidden bugs
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> the issue was we were doing printf("%d", size_t)
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> which will f**Ck up the stack
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> if sizeof(int) != sizeof(size_t)
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect some of this agent equipment stuff isn't really ready
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> The curses of not using branches to develop stuff I guess :P
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15:24 <@JonnyH> Hi Istrebitel 
15:24 < Istrebitel>  hi
15:24 <@JonnyH> the map split working for you?
15:24 < Istrebitel> I have spent 5 hours today updating from pmprog
15:24 <@JonnyH> wow, really?
15:24 < Istrebitel> met some issues
15:24 < Istrebitel> IT seems you haven't taken all my changes
15:24 < Istrebitel> your version didn't have items and didn't have same TileView used for battle and city
15:24 < Istrebitel> but I got it going
15:25 < Istrebitel> merged, it works now
15:25 < Istrebitel> so I guess you can.... pull it now? )
15:25 <@JonnyH> I merged your master yesterday mornig my time...
15:25 < Istrebitel> yes and btw, you said you'd merge PCK but it doesn't work
15:25 < Istrebitel> hmm, it says pull reequest is still on
15:25 <@JonnyH> pcks still don't extract?
15:25 <@JonnyH> Which ones?
15:25 < Istrebitel> same ones
15:25 < Istrebitel> strategy and shadow
15:25 <@JonnyH> Every time you make a new commit to your master branch is re-opens the pull request for me...
15:26 < Istrebitel> erm?
15:26 < Istrebitel> it didn't before
15:26 < Istrebitel> previous pull request, you took it and it got closed
15:26 < Istrebitel> this time, it also didn't recognize my commits
15:26 < Istrebitel> I'm still 33 ahead pmprog
15:26 < Istrebitel> even though you merged most of them
15:28 <@JonnyH> Any chance you can try to rebase them on top of pmprog/msteR?
15:28 <@JonnyH> Or are there too many conflicts?
15:33 < Istrebitel> well it says no conflict in the pull request
15:33 < Istrebitel> I could do that
15:33 < Istrebitel> what do I type again?
15:34 <@JonnyH> do you have pmprog as a remote?
15:35 <@JonnyH> 'git remote -v' should list if it so
15:40 <@JonnyH> Bah, just tried locally and it does't rebase cleanly...
15:41 <@JonnyH> Errm... I'll think of something
15:41 <@JonnyH> If we cleanup some of the merges in your history it should make future reabases easier
15:42 <@JonnyH> brb, off to work :)
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15:51 < Istrebitel> ok
15:51 < Istrebitel> I'm going to start developing units today
15:51 < Istrebitel> should I switch to another branch?
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16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, a new branch would be great
16:31 <@JonnyH`Work> If you could start it off pmprog/master instead of your own master it would make merges in the future easier
16:55 < Istrebitel> erm they differ a lot
16:55 < Istrebitel> pmprog does not have all my new stuff - items, using same tileset
16:55 < Istrebitel> gametime going in battle
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, the latest commit I got was:
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> a97d8bea8bc89661718bafc3bf9368e5f0e7a504
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> remove unnesecary comments
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll try to cherry pick them over
16:58 < Istrebitel> can you just merge what I have now
16:58 < Istrebitel> squash and whatever you need
16:58 < Istrebitel> then I could just reset my branch to yours?
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, I'll do that
16:58 < Istrebitel> I'll just copy over manually whatever I change
16:59 < Istrebitel> and then see what differences they are and correct them
16:59 < Istrebitel> and then I'll be just 1 commit ahead
17:05 < Istrebitel> btw
17:06 < Istrebitel> you said "some agent stuff is'nt ready"
17:06 < Istrebitel> which was that?
17:06 < Istrebitel> what did you mean?
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Just thought that until the agent data is used somewhere, it probably belongs in a development branch
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> c3761ab0508720e24edaf7ce8ae70fd13890e37a broke the city collision voxels?
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> 87d8f9c944755bfcdc73126b3e9eb9ea99b94d69 sorry
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> "Changed City and Battle to using the same Tile, TileMap and TileMapObject classes"
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Did a later commit fix that?
17:20 < Istrebitel> erm, it will be used very soon
17:20 < Istrebitel> wait
17:20 < Istrebitel> it is
17:20 < Istrebitel> used to generate agents proprely
17:20 < Istrebitel> broke city collision? hmm, i'll check
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks like it's getting the wrong tile size or something?
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> f6 shows:
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/tileviewvoxels.png
17:21 < Istrebitel> ah yes it did
17:21 < Istrebitel> I mistyped the paramteter
17:21 < Istrebitel> it broke both city and battle
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> np
17:21 < Istrebitel> I fixed later
17:21 < Istrebitel> I'll double check though
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> which commit fixed it? I may as well merge the fix
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Like it was never broken :)
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll add the unit tests to the msvc build too
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> as that was noticed by test_tilemap :)
17:32 < Istrebitel> checked, it's all right
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17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> you've included unrelated changes in your merges :(
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> It's normally a good idea to have each commit do 'one thing'
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git add -i' allows an interactive add
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can split the current changes to your tree into multiple logical commits
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17:55 < Istrebitel> unrelated?
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> like a commit about tileviews also changes loot extraction :P
17:56 < Istrebitel> well all I do right now is a sequential work on battlescape
17:56 < Istrebitel> it's hard to decouple it
17:56 < Istrebitel> and it's quite linear, in a sense that it all needs to be done for battlescape to be playable
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a pain when merging though :)
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> and stratico.pck extracts fine over here...
17:57 < Istrebitel> well, on my side it threw warnings over and over in a loop
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, it throws warnings
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> but extracts fine
17:58 < Istrebitel> It looked like it was infinite, but I may have been wrong
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I recently reduces those warnings to infos
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Might be due to the console on windows being really slow
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> It onmly prints a few thousand lines
17:58 < Istrebitel> yes
17:58 < Istrebitel> it is slow
17:58 < Istrebitel> it visually scrolls
17:58 < Istrebitel> so a few thousand lines would take some time
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> stupid windows...
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> A few thousand lines is less than 1/10 of a second here...
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, I know what you've done
18:00 < Istrebitel> well yes
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a strategy format file
18:00 < Istrebitel> unfortunately you can't expect to game on windows properly
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> So you need to prefix it with PCKSTRAT not PCK
18:00 < Istrebitel> ah
18:00 < Istrebitel> I see
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> and shadows are PCKSHADOW
18:00 < Istrebitel> I tried going linux but couldn't because of games
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Unfortunately the headers are too different to autodetect
18:01 < Istrebitel> otherwise, yes, linux is great
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> It's more 'developing on one platform' rather than linux/windows
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I write stuff that doesn't work well on windows
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> you probably write stuff that doesn't work well on linux :P
18:02 < Istrebitel> well I never developed for linux
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> like the iterators being really slow on windows in debug mode
18:03 < Istrebitel> we only develpoed for windows because serius companies only use windows in Russia
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not an issue with gcc, so I didn't notice it :P
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> If it was too slow and annoying I'd probabl have done something the other way...
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I work on android, so linux is the way to go
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I had a go at rebasing the missing commits:
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/istrebitel-cherry-pick
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Any chance you can have a look and let me know if I missed anything?
18:07 < Istrebitel> this should be identical to what I have now?
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> some linux build fixes...
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> and you just made a7b7dea454041e15e3cd67251707196317b7ae38 after I rebased...
18:09 < Istrebitel> yeah forgot clang
18:09 < Istrebitel> and forgot that it only dumps up to current z level which is 1 for city
18:09 < Istrebitel> and there was a bug in cmake txt
18:09 < Istrebitel> that's fine I can redo that again
18:11 < Istrebitel> yeah it seems in order
18:11 < Istrebitel> does it build? do items spawn on maps like Temple of Whatever?
18:13 < Istrebitel> do exits?
18:14 < Istrebitel> if so then yes its
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18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks like it's missing some changes...
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/missing_chunks.diff
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Mostly linux fixes/format stuff
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> but a few comment changes
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> sectors became a sectionmap?
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> b->initBattle()/gameTime.addTicks() missing?
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> quite a few differences in extract_organisations...
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> You didn't make any changes during merges did you?
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus that's really nasty for future merges...
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> (anything not 'directly' related to fixing the conflicts that is)
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> as those changes will be ignored by later merges
18:24 < Istrebitel> can we just do it the following way:
18:24 < Istrebitel> you commit it like this
18:24 < Istrebitel> I copy my folder somewhere (the code folder)
18:24 < Istrebitel> reset to pmprog/master
18:24 < Istrebitel> copy back
18:24 < Istrebitel> look at what changed and fix
18:24 < Istrebitel> check it builds and stuff
18:24 < Istrebitel> then commit
18:25 < Istrebitel> and i'm 1 ahead of yours with fully working version
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll do the equivalent now...
18:26 < Istrebitel> oh
18:26 < Istrebitel> I found a bug meanwhile
18:27 < Istrebitel> can I commit one more thing now?
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> sure
18:27 < Istrebitel> ok
18:30 < Istrebitel> ok, synced... I also found that test_tilemap refers old file (voxel.h) so I changed that too
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, I already fixes that :P
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been running the tests for every commit
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> and merging the fixes intothe commit that changed it
18:31 < Istrebitel> yeah I guess  we need more tests
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> We need the current tests to be part of the windows build...
18:31 < SupSuper> let me know when windows works again :p
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm sure there's a way of getting msvc to automtically run them?
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: pmprog should work right now
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Just not got Istrebitel's loot changes or tileview merge
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> also I fixed test_tilemap with the new TileMap constructor args
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> re-ordered some constructor initialisers
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> removed some unused variables
18:41 < Istrebitel> well I should have all your changes that you had this morning
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I made them as part of the rebase
18:42 < Istrebitel> okay so you will combine eveyrthing including 92d96c8
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/missing_chunks2.diff.txt
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> BattleMap::CreateBattle
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> if (!l)
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> continue;
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> b->initBattle() in the same function...
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> No idea why git missed them
18:46 < Istrebitel> erm how do I read this?
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, looks like they all track back to merge commits...
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> do you have a diff viewer?
18:46 < Istrebitel> what is a and what is b?
18:47 < Istrebitel> diff viewer?
18:47 < Istrebitel> I use winmerge
18:47 < Istrebitel> and windiff
18:47 < Istrebitel> to see diffs in a visual way
18:47 < Istrebitel> is this some kind of format?
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> a is my WIP/istrebitel-cherry-pick
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> b is your master
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> There's probably an option to open a diff in winmerge or something?
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> It's the standard 'diff' format
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18:49 < Istrebitel> nope, neither seems to recognize it
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> :/
18:49 < Istrebitel> actually only winmerge has an optionto open conflict file
18:49 < Istrebitel> but it says format is not right
18:49 < Istrebitel> maybe something online
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, conflict markers are the >>>>> <<<<<< ====== git puts in files when merging
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess that's what it's looking for with 'conflict files'
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18:50 < Istrebitel> anyways, you already looked at it
18:50 < Istrebitel> what's missing?
18:51 < Istrebitel> I moved init into createbattle yes
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> that seemed to have been done in a merge though, so git ignored it :P
18:51 < Istrebitel> because it should be there, it was outside because I was trying to figure out what makes everything go nuts and thought it may have something to do with pointers
18:52 < Istrebitel> it ignores what is done in a merge? why?
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> A merge tells git how to reconciles 2 heads
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> if I already have those 2 heads in my history (IE I merged earlier or rebased or something)
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> It goes "I don't need this, skip"
18:53 < Istrebitel> oh lol...
18:53 < Istrebitel> then it will miss a lot probably?
19:01 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: how do your tests work?
19:01 < Istrebitel> Anyways, I hope it's salvageable?
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> they all have a main
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> returning 0 on success
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> !0 (EXIT_FAILURE actually) on failure
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> You might need to wrap the main in some test framework instead if msvc doesn't cope with that?
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> test_serialize requires an argument
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> the path to the gamestate to load
19:03 < SupSuper> yeah i was trying to avoid the fancy test framework :p
19:04 < SupSuper> i don't even know if tests are something your puny msvc community supports
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> There was a 'test project template' I say in the new menu
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> But it creates some massive framework of bs I can't be arsed with
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19:25 < SupSuper> server hiccup huh
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> yrah :P
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Just as it died
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> I was saying I updated that branch
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> so the only difference is fixes
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> and some format changes
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> so Istrebitel, you should be able to reset to that
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> 65559310c61887c7a49e5221575011965c8f6dda
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> is that sha
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I can push that to pmprog if that's easier
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> and items _do_ work with that :)
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> at least something appeared in the temple when I looked...
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> on giant a chessboard of all things
19:30 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: apparently your msvc test options:
19:30 < SupSuper> - use the fancy msvc test framework or some other fancy test framework which are available to everyone
19:30 < SupSuper> - use a generic exe test which is only available in msvc premium editions and managed code for some reason
19:31 < SupSuper> - just make a custom build step to run the test executables :p
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> - use a fancy msvc test framework wrapper that does (result = system("/path/to/real/test.exe"
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
19:31 < SupSuper> well that's basically what a build step does
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> You cant' have more than 1 exe per project?
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> right?
19:32 < SupSuper> yeah
19:32 < SupSuper> so whatever option you go with, you still gotta build the exes
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, just annoying to have a million .vcxproj.filters files hanging around
19:34 < SupSuper> i mean you *could* just have the fancy msvc test framework call your actual test functions all in one, as long as you set them all up in function headers that can be easily referenced
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, maybe wrap the main() function in some TEST_FUNCTION macro or something
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> on linux it'll expand to main(int arg,char **argv)
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> on msvc it'll expand to whatever test funciton wrapping stuff is needed
19:36 < SupSuper> i'll poke around
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I put literally _minutes_ into those tests
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> it seems a shame not to use them half the time
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: Is Does that head look ok?
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> It all seems to work for me
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> even with the sanitizer enabled
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20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> oops
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> we seem to have ended up with a file only differing in case
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Needless to say if screws up windows git something royal
20:02 < SupSuper> you monster
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm happy with that now
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: You should be able to reset to pmprog/master
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20:09 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 7 new commits to master: https://git.io/vi2hn
20:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 070e292 IstrebiteI: Changed City and Battle to using the same Tile, TileMap and TileMapObject classes
20:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 62ade1e IstrebiteI: small fixes before switching to a single tileview
20:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ffb3e9a IstrebiteI: Exits, items, game time tracking and buttons for battlescape
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20:14 < Istrebitel> okay I'm here
20:14 < Istrebitel> what do I type? git reset pmprog/master?
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git fetch pmprog'
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git reset 18a6746e8575ad72f4cd16a512bba518f02ce9e0'
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Using the sha means you won't accidently get an old version or something
20:15 < Istrebitel> okay, now I got 3600 changes
20:15 < Istrebitel> commit?
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> No
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Remove any local changes
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> with 'git clean -xfd'
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> git checkout '*'
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> that will remove any files not stored in git
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> and restore any modified files back to what the pmprog/master version thinks they should be
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> hopefully then 'git status' should say no changes
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> then you push that to your github with 'git push -f'
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Then continue working as it nothing happened :)
20:17 < Istrebitel> git checkout '*'
20:17 < Istrebitel> hmm
20:18 < Istrebitel> On branch master
20:18 < Istrebitel> Your branch and 'origin/master' have diverged,
20:18 < Istrebitel> and have 7 and 36 different commits each, respectively.
20:18 < Istrebitel>   (use "git pull" to merge the remote branch into yours)
20:18 < Istrebitel> nothing to commit, working tree clean
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> that's good
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> now the 'git push -f'
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> You don't want to pull and merge
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> you want to replace github's version instead
20:18 < Istrebitel> what is origin/master?
20:19 < Istrebitel> and what is "my" branch?
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> 'origin' is the default name for wherever you initially cloned from
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably your github, so origin/master is 'your' master branch
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20:20 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #85: [READY] Reading tactical bullet sprites, unit types, equipment sets, battle maps, and battle map generator for every map in the game (master...master) https://git.io/viZPc
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20:20 < Istrebitel> btw
20:20 < Istrebitel> am I doing something wrong?
20:20 < Istrebitel> why getting my stuff always takes so much work?
20:20 < Istrebitel> can I be doing it better/
20:20 < Istrebitel> ?
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> It's just that merges of large chunks of work is difficult
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I tend to spend a lot of time rebasing against pmprog before pushing for merge
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I think sup tends to to lots of small bits of work, pushing to pmprog after each
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Now you're on the same 'root' as pmprog/master
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> any future rebases will hopefully be easier
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> So hopefully you should be able to rebase before pushing a new pull request
20:23 < SupSuper> also i can push straight to prod ;p
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> that makes it easier to to 'small' changes yeah :)
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> you don't collect them up
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I normally say anything that takes >1 day should be on a new branch
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> and I tend to rebase before pushing to pmprog
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than merge
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> It can take a bit of work though, as I try to make the build work and tests pass _every_ commit
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> and rewrite each commit individually until they do
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than having 'oops, fix bug' commits 5 minutes after a feature commit :)
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Like it or not, it seems that distributed development is 'hard'...
20:26 < SupSuper> clearly just give everyone commit access and the problem will fix itself!
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> File locks!
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Stop anyone else editing a file while you're working on it!
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> and git isn't exactly very user-friendly...
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> The UIs for it seem to hide half the useful features
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> and the command line is pretty inconsistent with 'magic' options )
20:28 < Istrebitel> so why didn't you tell me to rebase this time... I was already resetted to pmprog before , no?
20:28 < Istrebitel> should I rebase in the future, before making pull request?
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> No, I think you merged...
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, rebase if possible
20:29 < Istrebitel> we definetly did reset once already
20:29 < Istrebitel> after some merge happened that didn't register
20:29 < Istrebitel> and I ended up with some screwed up branch that wouldn't update
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20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect something must have accidently merged in the pre-rebased history...
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> It tends to be good to stick with either rebasing or merging
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than mixing both
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> The problem with merging is you have to be _very_ careful during merge conflict resolution
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> to only do the minimum required to consolidate the changes
20:31 < Istrebitel> anyways, gotta go. tomorrow I'll start working on units. I planned work on animations thoroughly in the last two days, and I think I know everything I need to implement them now
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> no 'notice a missing comment' or 'oops, I'll fix that bug while I'm here'
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Have a good evening!
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Again, thanks for your large amounts of effort :D
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22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> so, next I might look at the agent equipment paper doll stuff
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> and hopefully merge some of it with the vehicle equip
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> and do it 'properly' so SupSuper_ doesn't whine quite do much...
22:48 < SupSuper_> have you fixed win32 builds yet :p
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> that was fixed by my split stuff yesterday
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> keep up1
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> It now uses a max of ~150mb or so
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Is it possible to be unable to unequip a soldier? If you're 100% on stores already?
23:11 < SupSuper_> good question
23:21 <@JonnyH`Work> same with vehicles I guess
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm not sure if I ever had stores issues in apoc
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Never seemed to be the same pressure as previous xcoms
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15:32 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
15:32 < Istrebitel> I think we need some form of "advanced options" or "tweaks" system, like what's available in OpenXCom
15:33 < Istrebitel> I already have several ideas that I'd like to implement right now while doing battlescape
15:33 < Istrebitel> 1) Make throws non-instant, so that you actually have to animate into standing position before throwing (vanilla makes you instantly assume throwing pose whatever you'd be doing, even if crawling half way to another tile)
15:34 < Istrebitel> 2) Make aliens and look actually take space, and every ship/car in the vicinity of building/ufo can take it in, if not enough space - show interface on score screen that allows to pick what to take and what to leave
15:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, having a set of 'option' flags in the gamestate (so it's part of the save?)
15:38 <@JonnyH`Work> It could be implemented in a UI to enable/disable
15:39 <@JonnyH`Work> or even 'mods' that just get chainloaded and set a single flag to true
15:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Having a set of options is likely needed anyway
15:39 < Istrebitel> yes
15:40 < Istrebitel> Maybe they can be the same as general optinos like "pause when illegal flyer detected"
15:40 <@JonnyH`Work> as stuff like the toggle the 'show message for EVENT' stuff needs to be stored somewhere too
15:40 <@JonnyH`Work> ^^
15:43 < Istrebitel> will you do it?
15:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I could add a stub option class now
15:44 <@JonnyH`Work> and you just add new options as and when you need them
15:44 <@JonnyH`Work> If it's all boolean values we could generate the ui to set them
15:44 <@JonnyH`Work> but more complex values might need some 'custom' code
15:45 <@JonnyH`Work> The original used the side panel of the ingameoptions to hold the UI for the event settings
15:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume we're going to have mor ethan that, so it probably won't fit
15:45 <@JonnyH`Work> so might need some thought WRT ui, but we can do that later
16:53 < Istrebitel> well I assume boolean values
16:53 < Istrebitel> with a name and a description bound to them
16:54 < Istrebitel> description could be shown in a tooltip of sorts
16:54 < Istrebitel> or in a popup when right-clicking
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Where's tooltips?? :P
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18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> hi SupSuper :)
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Any comment on how difficult pop-up tooltips would be?
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Also, can we change the Listbox::setSelected
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> so if the selected item isn't currently visible it scrolls so it is?
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Or an option to do that
18:30 < SupSuper> probably? you were the one that added setSelected :p
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean is that a normal thing in ui toolskits?
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Or is it normally the responsibility of the caller to magic up a scroll if needed?
18:32 < SupSuper> not afaik, but i can't think of a context wheere i manually changed a list selection
18:33 < SupSuper> anyways you're already looping the controls so adding an extra flag to set scrollOffset = controlPosition probably would be simple
18:34 < SupSuper> as for tooltips, it sounds easy :p
18:36 < SupSuper> why are you suddenly ui-curious?
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> poking around the agent equip screen
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Like you said, I should do this more 'right' than the veequip :P
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> then I can (hopefully) merge common code
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> (heh, ui-curious :)
18:44 < SupSuper> ah yeah i guess it automatically scrolls to the selected item when you come into the screen? that sounds fine
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Or if you click on one half-off the screen
18:45 < SupSuper> or if we ever add keyboard support :p ok you make a good point
18:47 < SupSuper> i think the only thing missing from vequip was actually using lists and selections and stuff since it was made before that
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> plus the paper doll could be control-ified
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work>  Quick test shows that in the original
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> the stores are _not_ checked when unequiping
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can go over 100% stores
19:00 < SupSuper> hurray
19:01 < SupSuper> also i just realized vequip should probably have scrolling as well because mods :p
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
19:26 < SupSuper> i guess it's a good chance to see if common_patch can override binary files as well
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> ..binary files?
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> what are you doing?
19:27 < SupSuper> i mean if you added a modified VEQUIP.PCX with a scrollbar on the bottom
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, sure, if you create a file data/xcom3/ufodata/vequip.pcx it should override the cd one?
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Or you could go through and change all the users of vequip.pck to point to another file?
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Make sure you don't screw up the palette if you do the first one
19:28 < SupSuper> i'll leave that as an exercise to the reader :p
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> You sound like my maths textbooks...
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> 'proof is left as an exercise to the reader'
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I was never sure if I was mission something obvious
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> or if it was put as a joke after clearly not describing all the techniques required yet
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe a fancy one that only switches to the background with scrollbar when needed
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Or a scrollbar image that looks OK just stuck on top of the background
19:33 < SupSuper> spoken like a true programmer :p
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> If you do it in png you can even blend the edges!
19:33 < SupSuper> i think all our ui rendering is in paletted-mode
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19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> You can throw a RGB image at that finbe
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> It just won't change based on the 'current' palette
19:35 < SupSuper> well for example i tried alpha-blending a control to indicate "disabled" and nothing happens
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> using drawTinted?
19:36 < SupSuper> probably
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> ..it should work...
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> tint = {1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.5} should halve the alpha...
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/disabled-options.png
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks ok to me
19:42 < SupSuper> maybe something specific to ImageButton?
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks like that's done in Control::render()
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> with the controlArea surface
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> so shouldn't depend on the control...
19:43 < SupSuper> the turbo button is disabled when a ufo shows up and doesn't look it
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> ...Is it 'blending' with the background?
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Which is exactly the same image?
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> If so you should probably make the tint a bit darker, not just semi-transparent
19:49 < SupSuper> oh yeah you're right, i forgot most graphics are part of the background. welp :p
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I might tweak the blend mode anyway
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Having the screenshot png 'punch out' the alpha feels wrong
19:51 < SupSuper> how would darken work? {0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.5} ?
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> {0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5}
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> {0, 0, 0, 0.5} would be black
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> but 50% blended black
19:56 < SupSuper> hmmm i was gonna test it, but the game now crashes when a ufo spawns :p
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> does it now?
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19:56 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8a42d76 Jonathan Hamilton: Change default blend mode to average not overwrite alpha...
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19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I notice the beam images for ufos are wrong too
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm sure they used to be correct (big purple beams)
19:57 < SupSuper> crashing on Doodad::remove though it's release so might be inaccurate
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll try to repro here
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> they spawned ok...
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, might be the thread-unsafe sp<> that msvc decided to use
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> does it backtrace into a projectile collision handler?
19:59 < SupSuper>  	OpenApoc.exe!std::list<std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::VEquipment>,std::allocator<std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::VEquipment> > >::remove(const std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::VEquipment> & _Val) Line 1603	C++
19:59 < SupSuper> >	OpenApoc.exe!OpenApoc::Doodad::remove(OpenApoc::GameState & state) Line 46	C++
19:59 < SupSuper>  	OpenApoc.exe!OpenApoc::City::generatePortals(OpenApoc::GameState & state) Line 251	C++
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> why is a doodad calling into a VEquipment list?
20:02 < SupSuper> again, release build might be inaccurate :p gonna try on debug
20:02 < SupSuper> assuming the gamestate will get there today
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> canot reproduce on gcc w/sanitize
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Quite possibly threading
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> As honestly that's known-broken on msvc...
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll remove the multhreaded collision detection and retest?
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> no point keeping things that are known questionable :)
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20:08 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ce0fe60 Jonathan Hamilton: Disable threaded projectile collision...
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20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> even if it's not this issue, it leaves a lot of doubt
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20:12 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0c500f5 Jonathan Hamilton: Disable threaded projectile collisionin battle too...
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20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> see if that still breaks?
20:35 < SupSuper> still crashing
20:35 < SupSuper> it's pretty consistent so i dunno if it's a threaded bug
20:35 < SupSuper> and it certainly didn't happen before...
20:38 < SupSuper> sadly it's impossible to debug because that makes the game unusable :p
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> win32? or x64?
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> x64 runs on my laptop
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Is it always just as the first ufo appears?
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Does it crash on debug if you ack it so generatePortals() is called all the goddamn time?
20:52 < SupSuper> ok i managed to convince it to crash in debug
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> oh?
20:52 < SupSuper> Debug Assertion Failed!
20:52 < SupSuper> Program: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\MSVCP140D.dll
20:52 < SupSuper> File: c:\program files (x86)\microsoft visual studio 14.0\vc\include\xtree
20:52 < SupSuper> Line: 264
20:52 < SupSuper> Expression: map/set iterator not incrementable
20:53 < SupSuper> looks like you're removing items from a container while iterating over it? that's not kosher...
20:53 < SupSuper> 	for (auto &p : this->projectiles)
20:53 < SupSuper> 	{
20:53 < SupSuper> 		auto c = p->checkProjectileCollision(*map);
20:53 < SupSuper> 		if (c)
20:53 < SupSuper> 		{
20:53 < SupSuper> 			// FIXME: Handle collision
20:53 < SupSuper> 			this->projectiles.erase(c.projectile);
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, that's buggy in my change just now..
20:53 < SupSuper> erase will invalidate the projectiles for-loop
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> errm... should test things properly :)
20:55 < SupSuper> that explains why it would crash in a completely unrelated place in release, as it would just go on with undefined behavior...
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> it should do the same iterator stuff as the previous projectile iterator loop
20:55 < SupSuper> you can put back the threading then :p
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> no, sp<> *is* broken
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> over threads
20:56 < SupSuper> who uses threads anyways!
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> not msvc clearly
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean how hard is atomic_compare_and_swap?
21:00 < SupSuper> one way to find out: http://hastebin.com/otupamaxid.m
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm.. that looks like it uses atomic constructs
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Wouldn't be the first time the msvc documentation is just wrong
21:02 < SupSuper> i like how auto_ptr was so bad it was cast off to a _HAS_AUTO_PTR_ETC macro
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> it's removed in c++17 completely IIRC
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> or planned to...
21:03 < SupSuper> breaking changes, in my c++??? :o
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Your own fault if you use auto_ptr :
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21:05 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0d8d97e Jonathan Hamilton: Use removal-safe iteration in projectiles...
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21:05 < SupSuper> also from the msvc documentation: "Thread Safety: Multiple threads can read and write different shared_ptr objects at the same time, even when the objects are copies that share ownership."
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, that sounds fine then
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> all the way back to 2008 according to the cods...
21:08 < SupSuper> it'd be kinda weird for them to mess up a smart pointer when COM has probably had them forever
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the c++11 spec doesn't guarantee it
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> but gcc (and msvc) do
21:08 < SupSuper> ah
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess the docs I saw were just copy-pasted from the spec?
21:08 < SupSuper> probably
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> can't seem to find it now..
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe I just dreamed it?
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> still, the threading here needs work to actually be efficient as it causes cash-line hazards that mean it's nowhere near the speedup you might expect
21:11 < SupSuper> still crashing :p
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> same backtrace?
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I cannot repro on my laptop...
21:16 < SupSuper> god do you know how painful this is
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> closed (works for me)
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> trying win32 debug here to see if that helps
21:18 < SupSuper> don't do that to yourself :p
21:22 < SupSuper> now i got a crash because this fails when there are no portals:
21:22 < SupSuper> 		auto portal = city->portals.begin();
21:22 < SupSuper> 		std::uniform_int_distribution<int> portal_rng(0, city->portals.size() - 1);
21:22 < SupSuper> 		std::advance(portal, portal_rng(this->rng));
21:22 < SupSuper> but i don't know if that's because i've been fast-forwarding the state :p
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, you should never have a game without portals
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe a logerror anyway
21:24 < SupSuper> it's still crashing on release without code changes though *shrugs*
21:24 < SupSuper> https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/commit/0d8d97e16a9fc9ab8fcee8d7ac4e35c0717db588 how is this removal-safe anyways? i always just use the erase return value
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> It's safe as 'it' contains the next iterator at erase
21:32 < SupSuper> it works fine in x64 for whatever that's worth
21:32 < SupSuper> i wonder if there's just something hiddenly corrupt in the win32 city :p
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> did it crash instantly when the ufos appeared?
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> on debug win32?
21:33 < SupSuper> release win32
21:33 < SupSuper> debug win32... is just weird
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> ..weird?
21:33 < SupSuper> like i said, i have to change the code to get anywhere, and then i get anomalous stuff like no portals :p
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I went to end of day in win32 debug
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> and the ufos are (very slowly) floating around now
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22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> It's been running for a good few days now
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> and still nothing...
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> win32 debug
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16:28 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6ebba24 sfalexrog: Provide lower-case names when using cue/bin, as required by 07a2fe9
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18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> hey sup
18:01 < SupSuper> hey
18:08 < SupSuper> anything broke yet? :p
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably, but I haven't found it yet :P
18:19 < SupSuper> ship it!
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I was :D
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> You mean 'nightlies' arent 'shipping'?
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I learned that off openxcom
18:19  * SupSuper twitches
18:20 < SupSuper> maybe time for another video? :P the battlescape sure is a cool thing. although it sorely lacks collapsing...
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I could re-enable my 'fake' support
18:21 < SupSuper> wonder how performant that is in the battlescape
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think we optimise non-falling tiles
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> so exactly the same as drawing a static scene?
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18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm half wondering if we shouldn't checkin the initial game data
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> and just run the extractor as part of the build...
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> requiring the iso for a build isn't great though
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> And the dependencies to make sure it doesn't go out of sync would be a pain too...
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> WTB: someone who can do video stuff
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Installed a video editor last night
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> about 2 hours later I still hadn't figured out anything
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I might just write some opengl to render what I want it to display :P
19:11 < SupSuper> avisynth is the closest i come to programming video :p
19:11 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
19:11 < Istrebitel> doing unit animations takes a bit longer than expected, but I am still working hard on them, hope to get them done soon
19:11 < Istrebitel> btw
19:11 < Istrebitel> Why we use brackets in 1-line ifs or fors?
19:11 < Istrebitel> is it our convention?
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus some people don't like it?
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, CODE_STYLE.md in the root should list it
19:12 < Istrebitel> erm?
19:12 < SupSuper> yeah it's our convention
19:12 < SupSuper> once JonnyH`Work figures out how to enforce it anyways :p
19:12 < Istrebitel> whats the advanbtage?
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I can put a clang-tidy pass in today :)
19:13 < SupSuper> not forgetting to put the brackets back in if the code changes
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Some people seem weirdly paranoid about 'accidently' adding a second statement and forgetting the brackets?
19:13 < SupSuper> it's not paranoid if it keeps happening :p
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe it's caus I'm so used to code that bans brackets around 1-line statements
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe if you're used to it you stop noticing?
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> The end result is some of the code style stuff is somewhat arbitrary
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> but consistency is probably better than 'small possible readability improvements'
19:20 < SupSuper> all the linebreaks!
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> linebreaks?>
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19:24 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3a53e93 Jonathan Hamilton: Move code style to use clang-3.8...
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20:19 < Istrebitel> eee
20:19 < Istrebitel> class methods and member variables (public/private/protected) should be camelBack?
20:19 < Istrebitel> I thought we use lowercase with _'s?
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> It was inconsistent :)
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Like for example the 'extractors' I used lower_case
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> but most of the game UI used camelBack
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I've not yet added a clang-tidy pass as that's not consistent in the code yet
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe prefer camelBack for anything new? But don't bother going back and changing everything yet
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15:35 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
15:35 < Istrebitel> could you look at your code that dumped tacdata/stratico?
15:36 <@JonnyH> what about it?
15:36 < Istrebitel> should they all be purple, or is it a mistake maybe?
15:36 < Istrebitel> maybe pallete?
15:37 <@JonnyH> Maybe? I think I just used the default tactical palette
15:38 <@JonnyH> Maybe there's a palette modification to do stuff like allied/enemy colours?
15:48 < Istrebitel> well
15:48 < Istrebitel> there are three sets of pics there
15:49 < Istrebitel> and there are three colors used ingame: yellow, purple, red
15:49 < Istrebitel> if they'd change it manually why do three sets?
15:51 <@JonnyH> you can see my table in tools/dump_everything/dump_everything.cpp
15:52 <@JonnyH> It's quite possible the palette is wrong
15:53 <@JonnyH> but if so I would expect _all_ the stratmaps should have the same palette
15:54 < Istrebitel> hmm
15:54 < Istrebitel> well city stratmap is correct
15:54 < Istrebitel> city's stratmap icons are colored
15:54 <@JonnyH> do the map sfeature/sground etc. look OK?
15:54 < Istrebitel> so... maybe it's pal_01_dat for the tactical strat map?
15:54 < Istrebitel> well it does
15:54 < Istrebitel> yeah I get it
15:54 < Istrebitel> they should match
15:54 <@JonnyH> Or default.pal
15:54 < Istrebitel> can I just ree-run the dumper on my machine?
15:55 < Istrebitel> or just dump 1 file?
15:55 <@JonnyH> yeah, just run it and it should create a directory called 'dumped_data' in the current path
15:55 < Istrebitel> is it in the VS project/
15:55 < Istrebitel> ?
15:55 <@JonnyH> you can dump a single image with tools/imagedump
15:55 <@JonnyH> errm.. not sure
15:56 <@JonnyH> Don't have msvc to test with atm
15:56 <@JonnyH> there's no .vcxproj file so I assume not
15:56 <@JonnyH> but iamgedump should be
15:58 < Istrebitel> what do I pass? the typical image string?
15:58 <@JonnyH> Yeah, the image string followed by the output .png name
15:58 <@JonnyH> e.g. 'imagedump.exe PCKSTRAT:xcom3/tacdata/stratico.pck:xcom3/tacdata/stratico.tab:480:xcom3/tacdata/tactical.pal" 480.png'
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16:00 < Istrebitel> oh it tries to open music from cd lol
16:00 <@JonnyH> Yeah, it just starts the framework normally :P
16:00 <@JonnyH> That uses the music file as a test to see if it's correctly mounted the cd
16:00 <@JonnyH> even if it's not used the check is fatal if it fails
16:01 <@JonnyH> It might work better if you run it from the root of the repository, as that's probably where the paths are setup
16:01 <@JonnyH> (e.g. ./bin/x64/release/imagedump.exe arguments)
16:01 <@JonnyH> that's what I normally do in windows
16:04 < Istrebitel> yep, that's default pallete
16:08 < Istrebitel> ah
16:08 < Istrebitel> nah they're not
16:08 < Istrebitel> now it's all yellow
16:11 <@JonnyH> no, default looks good
16:11 < Istrebitel> or not
16:11 < Istrebitel> yes
16:11 <@JonnyH> it has a yellow version, then pink version, then red version
16:11 < Istrebitel> it's four sets!
16:12 <@JonnyH> it has 2 yellow ones through?
16:12 < Istrebitel> not three
16:12 < Istrebitel> first two are yellow, then purple and red
16:12 < Istrebitel> ... why four sets?...
16:12 < Istrebitel> yep
16:12 <@JonnyH> I guess we should make all strategy maps use default.pal in the battlescape
16:15 <@JonnyH> Right, lets see if I can create a msvc project without msvc :)
16:15 < Istrebitel> I'll check
16:15 < Istrebitel> the pallete of tactical maps
16:16 < Istrebitel> thing is
16:16 < Istrebitel> tatical maps look correct with tactical.pal
16:17 < Istrebitel> or wait
16:17 < Istrebitel> we're loading them with no palette
16:18 <@JonnyH> so it'll use the current renderer->setPalette()
16:18 <@JonnyH> which is set by tileview.cpp?
16:18 <@JonnyH> which defaults to xcom3/tacdata/tactical.pal in battlescape
16:19 < Istrebitel> erm why?
16:19 <@JonnyH> we might need to have 2 palettes depending on mapview/isometric view
16:19 < Istrebitel> ah yes
16:19 < Istrebitel> set pallete in render method to this pal
16:19 < Istrebitel> and this pal is set in battleview
16:20 < Istrebitel> but then
16:20 < Istrebitel> why does it work?
16:21 <@JonnyH> why does what work?
16:21 < Istrebitel> if palette for stratico is default but for mapparts is tactical?
16:21 < Istrebitel> map parts are rendered correctly with tactical.pal, stratico with default.pal, which do not match, they're completely different I've checked
16:21 < Istrebitel> shouldn't vanilla use one pallete for whole screen?
16:22 <@JonnyH> vanilla never shows the strategy map sprites on the same screen as the isometric sprites
16:22 < Istrebitel> but strategy sprites are tactical.pal?
16:22 < Istrebitel> and strategy icons are default.pal?
16:23 <@JonnyH> Really? I assumed that means the strategy sprites should be default.pal too, same as icons
16:23 <@JonnyH> but I've not checked
16:23 < Istrebitel> well
16:23 < Istrebitel> they are displayed in openxcom right now using tactical.pal
16:23 < Istrebitel> and they look idtentical to vanilla, at least for escort map
16:24 < Istrebitel> and i checked, those palletes are compltely different, hardly have any matching colors
16:24 < Istrebitel> so it can't be!
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16:26 < Istrebitel> and btw, all strat sprites are 8x8
16:27 < Istrebitel> when they need bigger than that, they bundle together several 8x8's
16:28 <@JonnyH> Indeed, I ignore any pixels in a PCKSTRAT that's outside 8x8
16:30 <@JonnyH> I suspect there may be a small section of the palette that the icons use
16:30 <@JonnyH> that is modiifed in code
16:31 <@JonnyH> do do the 'flashing icon' effects
16:34 <@JonnyH> yeah, looks like it uses index 0xFC, 0xFD, 0xFE, 0xFF for the colours that change
16:35 <@JonnyH> We probably should do the same for the city strategy map
16:35 <@JonnyH> IE replace those four colours every frame
16:35 <@JonnyH> It might just be luck that default.pal has seeingly correct colours in those positions
16:35 <@JonnyH> I bet those four indices aren't used by non-icon strategy sprites
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16:49 < Istrebitel> ah I see
16:49 < Istrebitel> so it uses four pink colors but different ones
16:49 < Istrebitel> and they change every tick, in the palette
16:49 < Istrebitel> so that it pulsates onscreen?
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess we have to modify the palette in the Tileview::Render function or something
16:58 < Istrebitel> well that's the same we do with city pallete
16:58 < Istrebitel> just modify extra pixels with another algorithm
16:59 < Istrebitel> do you know which indexes?
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Likely the last 4 again
16:59 < Istrebitel> fc,fd,fe,ff for strat, and which for list?
16:59 < Istrebitel> oh
16:59 < Istrebitel> lift
16:59 < Istrebitel> could you look at lift sprite?
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> which is that?
17:00 < Istrebitel> for example wall 71 of senate
17:00 < Istrebitel> map 01
17:00 < Istrebitel> no, not 71
17:00 < Istrebitel> 55
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll have a look in a bit
17:05 < Istrebitel> also, don't you think it makes more sense to have one common archive of strategy sprites
17:05 < Istrebitel> for units
17:06 < Istrebitel> frather than every unit having it's own sprites?
17:06 < Istrebitel> I mean, we will duplicate a lot
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> so?
17:06 < Istrebitel> every unit wil have to have a set of sprites for all occasions (yellow pink red) and multiple forms (like, agent can be prone and normal, that's different sprites)
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> You mean instead of each unit having <strategy>PCKSTRAT:big:long:string</strategy>
17:07 < Istrebitel> doesn't it make more sense to just load those sprites in gamestate
17:07 < Istrebitel> and access them when drawing?
17:07 < Istrebitel> oh
17:07 < Istrebitel> draw fuinction does not know gamestate
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Nope
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> draw is stateless
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> It only accesses images
17:08 <@JonnyH`Work> it does 'cache' images in a texture atlas at their first draw though
17:08 < Istrebitel> well can we have a common sour of images then?
17:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm not sure what you mean by a 'common source'?
17:08 < Istrebitel> or do you think we should store all possible strat sprites within an object that uses them, for every type of object?
17:08 < Istrebitel> well, just have std::vector<sp<Image>> with strat sprites
17:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I like each object being as independant as possible
17:08 < Istrebitel> and every unit/vehicle/item uses them
17:10 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure...
17:10 < Istrebitel> we will have each unit type have a least a hundred or more strat images
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, if each vehicle has <playerStratmap><entry><direction>North</direction><image>PCKSTRAT::WHATEVER</image>
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> for each direction
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> then for each of 'player-owner'/'neutral'/'enemy' seems a bit pointless
17:12 < Istrebitel> well for tactical that's more
17:12 < Istrebitel> just counting 8 directions 3 colors 2 variants (hollow and filled) is 50, if a unit has prone mode that's extra 144
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I believe the strategy icon is chosen based on the object types
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> IE an 'agent' will always use the same set of icons?
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure how to relate them
17:13 < Istrebitel> all tactical units use same set, some use only 1 some use 2
17:13 < Istrebitel> there are basically 3 sets of icons - small, small prone, big
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> which ones use different icons?
17:13 < Istrebitel> all small units use small, all small units that can go prone use small and small prone, and all prone use big
17:14 < Istrebitel> prone icons take 4 icons for diagonal directions and 2 icons for straight ones
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Having a 'global' map of each
17:14 < Istrebitel> that's 24 icons by 3 colors by 2 variants = 144
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> IE 3x lists of each direction (one for 'small', one for 'prone', one for 'large')
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> then select which to use in code
17:14 < Istrebitel> well yes
17:14 < Istrebitel> that's what I want
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than per-object?
17:14 < Istrebitel> one map for all to use
17:15 < Istrebitel> so that 3 agent types, anthropod, skeletoid, etc all don't sore 194 icons each
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, just put the maps directly in GameSTate
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> no need for it to be loaded 'per battle' like the maps
17:15 < Istrebitel> and how to acces them in draw?
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> loading ~200 strategy sprites into memory isn't the end of the workd
17:16 < Istrebitel> we will be loading about 60 times more sprites than we would otherwise need
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> renderer->draw(state->battleIcons[unit->size][unit->direction], position);?
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Why would it load 60x more than we need?
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> the sp<Image> would be under GameState::battleIcons (or whatever name you choose)
17:17 < Istrebitel> well if we load it once it won't
17:17 < Istrebitel> that's my point
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, that sounds fine to me?
17:18 < Istrebitel> but to do that we need to change tileobject:draw to include gamestate
17:18 < Istrebitel> because only tileobject_XYZ knows the logic
17:18 < Istrebitel> what to draw
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Or youi could copy the list of sp<Image>s into a Unit when it's created
17:18 < Istrebitel> like, it knows what pose the unit is in, so it can choose to draw prone or normal icons
17:19 < Istrebitel> so we just link to the same vector of images everywhere?
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Or have a 'class BattleIcons' that Units take a reference to when created?
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Or just take a reference directly on the map/list/whatever container/
17:20 < Istrebitel> it makes sense to have battleicons class that would have icon drawing logic?
17:20 < Istrebitel> or is it better to have that logic in tileobject_XYZ?
17:20 < Istrebitel> probably latter?
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> In other instances the tileobject has the logic to decide which image do draw
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> to draw
17:21 < Istrebitel> ok then
17:21 < Istrebitel> we just need to refernce the container?
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Or wrap the container in class
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> as it'll have a better name :)
17:22 < Istrebitel> is that better?
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> BattleUnit having a 'BattleStrategyIconList &icons'
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> is more obvious than
17:23 < Istrebitel> ah, I see
17:23 < Istrebitel> I will do it
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> BattleUnit having a 'std::map<Direction, std::map<RelationToPlayer, sp<Image>> 
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17:53 < Istrebitel> did you check the gravlift sprite?
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Haven't had a chance
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18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> hi sup
18:18 < SupSuper> hey
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I've filed 4 bugs so far trying to get my openapoc vulkan renderer working -_-
18:19 < SupSuper> oh god you went and did it you madman :p
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I had a basic version kinda working before it was released :P
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> but it was dumb as a pile of rocks
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> pretty much a direct port of the gl2 renderer, no batching, no spritesheets
18:25 < Istrebitel> btw
18:25 < Istrebitel> should we load images without pallete everywhere then
18:25 < Istrebitel> like, right now I'm loading items with palette
18:25 < Istrebitel> should I stop doing that?
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> All game sprites should be loaded without palettes
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> The UI stuff should be loaded with palettes
18:26 < Istrebitel> ui stuff?
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> buttons and the like
18:27 < Istrebitel> so, unit's equippic is with palette?
18:27 < Istrebitel> the one displayed in equipment screen?
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess so, if they're only valid with a single palette it makes sense to load that upfront
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I thought that might be true for the battle sprites too (as there's no night/day like the city)
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> but clearly with this palette flashing thing that's not true :)
18:28 < Istrebitel> so whatever is within isometric or strategic window goes with pallete
18:28 < Istrebitel> i mean
18:28 < Istrebitel> without
18:28 < Istrebitel> otherwise, it's with palette
18:28 < Istrebitel> right?
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, strategy and isometric sprites are the only things to be loaded without a palette
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> At least as far as we know :)
18:29 < SupSuper> also PCXs don't need palette :p
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> PCXs have their own palette
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> That are used as the palette for the UI screens
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> which was a pain get working...
18:39 < SupSuper> speaking of pain, i've thought of a possible problem with tooltips...
18:39 < SupSuper> they need to render last :p how do we do that without overhauling everything
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, it won't be able to be drawn as part of a control
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> as that'll be clipped to the control region, even if it was in the correct order
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe hang an image off the cursor or something?
18:41 < SupSuper> then it'll end up on top of the cursor? :p
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> The cursor render is always done on the window surface
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> so can draw wherever it damn well pleases
18:50 < SupSuper> i wonder if we need a box control, it's annoying having to do 5 draw rects to get those fancy beveled borders
18:50 < SupSuper> or maybe i should just put them in pngs and do a 9-slice
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> 9patch control or somehthing?
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> go ahead
18:52 < SupSuper> i wonder how the original does it. hardcoded?
18:52 < SupSuper> i never found them in xcom1 either so i assume so :p
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> ask Skin36 ?
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work>  though not sure if it's worth any real effort figuring out :P
18:55 < SupSuper> i guess so
18:55 < SupSuper> hell, they all look like they use the same style
19:02 < SupSuper> looking at it, apoc's tooltips aren't very smart
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> feel free to tweak if you think you can do better
19:03 < SupSuper> they just squish them when they're near the edge of the screen instead of offsetting them, so you always end up with one-word-per-line tooltips
19:04 < SupSuper> then again i guess we don't have to worry about that since our guis are in the middle of the screen :p
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> we support resolution down to 640x480
19:14 < SupSuper> what, no pixel shader 320x200? :p
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess if you set the Scale to 50% it'll work :P
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> but it'd render at 640x480 and scale down
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> ...which doesn't work due to the mouse being clamped in the corner :)
19:28 < SupSuper> "Hey boost that thing looks cool, can I borrow it? The next day boost shows up and moves all their stuff into your living room."
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> "Oh cool TV, mind if I borrow it?"
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> "Sure, oh by the way it takes a non-standard voltage, so here's a generator. Oh, and it doesn't work fit the normal antennae connector, so I'll get the ladder out to replace your current one. Oh, it won't fit your wall mount either, so I'll knock down the wall and rebuild it for you. Much more stable than just screwing a new mount into the plaster if it's in the brickwork"
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19:57 < SupSuper> hmmm if i wanted to add a MouseButton wrapper, where would it be
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> MouseButton?
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> You mean abstracting left/right/whatever?
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> input events?
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20:10 < SupSuper> yeah our current button code is just really misleading
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> DO you mean UI 'button' controls?
20:10 < SupSuper> since the mouse buttons are sdl constants, "4" doesn't make any sense
20:11 < SupSuper> and then i find out it's not actually a Button, it's a ButtonMask
20:11 < SupSuper> so basically i was gonna do something useful but ran into a pet peeve :p
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> http://i.imgur.com/t0XHtgJ.gif
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> again... :)
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I still want to move away from "key == ESC" and the like
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> and instead have some kind of semantic keybinding
20:15 < SupSuper> well we could probably have our own enum and just add keys as we go along. we don't need the whole keyboard :p
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean key 'meanings'
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> like 'go back' or equivalent shortcut names
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> and we could enable rebinding :)
20:16 < SupSuper> oh right
20:16 < SupSuper> well we still have "user events"
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> 'User' being the user of Framework
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> not really "The user of the application" right?
20:18 < SupSuper> right but i mean for passing stuff from the framework to the state
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I suppose if that has to go through a translation layer
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> that takes KeyboardEvents
20:19 < SupSuper> well you could just do *another* event type but semantic keys seem pretty loose for that
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and uses whatever remap table to then output the new USerEVent("EVENT_MEANING") or something
20:19 < SupSuper> like you'd just have GoBack=23 and then the framework checks for a 23 key and sends a GoBack event in response
20:20 < SupSuper> and then you could easily put those in the ui as well, like <control keybind="GoBack"> etc
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> sure, for active controls
20:20 < SupSuper> yeah like screen shortcuts and stuff
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> we could make the Form code take the input and generat the same 'button pushed' event on shortcus
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> shortcut.. generate...
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> How do I type?
20:21 < SupSuper> hmmm... i guess you could abstract the whole thing and have a general event->meaning system. but that'd make for one hell of a translation layer :p
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> All State changes must go through events!
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> The UI must emit a 'Request ${soldier} goes to ${location}' event
20:22 < SupSuper> well i mean decoding stuff like Mouse+Left+Press+Key+Shift+A+2x
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Removing stuff like x/y position being 'read' in the main GameUI stuff might be nice
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure how you would do translation for TileViews though...
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Think thats the only non-form interactions we have?
20:24 < SupSuper> well sometimes you just need to get "clever" with ui code
20:24 < SupSuper> there's no clean semantics for stuff like drag'n'drop
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> TIL interfaces are hard
20:25 < SupSuper> well win32 probably has something, but i wouldn't trust it :p
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> win32 has everything
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> It probably shouldn't have half of it though
20:25 < SupSuper> not like games ever follow system device settings anyways
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I feel worried inheriting the system locale...
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> *someone* will complain right?
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> "I only play games in the original English"
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> and in windows the 'locale' seems to be some magic global setting, not just part of env?
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can't run applications as a different locale?
20:28 < SupSuper> it technically *is* per env, but inter-program-communication with different locales could cause all kinds of shenanigans
20:28 < SupSuper> win32 locale is hairy and complicated and let's not talk about it :p
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus posix locale is perfect
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work>  /s
20:30 < SupSuper> at least win32 ruled out ansi pretty early on
20:30 < SupSuper> i say "ansi" because win32 ascii was not really quite ascii much like win32 "unicode" is not really quite unicode anyways moving on
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> global codepages!
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> *shudder*
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I still see ucs2 as a massive mistake :P
20:31 < SupSuper> who doesn't :P but you can understand the programmer reasoning
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> 'fixed width!'
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> never mind the fact it breaks C
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> strings with zero bytes? *shudder*
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> then languages decided that there are more than 2^16 characters too
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> damn them 
20:32 < SupSuper> "hmmmm should i take the format where i can fit any* character into a unit, or should i take the format where i can't interpret any unit individually"
20:33 < SupSuper> i'm pretty sure every modern language fits in 2^16 though. 2^32 is for weird stuff like... history. and emojis *shudders*
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Then it turns out the concept of a 'fixed width' doesn't exist in many languages
20:34 < SupSuper> and utf-8 is only super nice because if you're english you don't have to do any work at all! :p
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> But you can just treat it as a null-terminated byte stream
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> until you actually ahve to parse it
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> at which point you panic and get someone else to do it for you
20:35 < SupSuper> the real offense is wide-string :p
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> wchar_t
20:36 < SupSuper> the least portable thing that somehow found its way into a standard
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> also 'magic state of streams' WRT imbueing :)
20:36 < SupSuper> because everyone was too busy panicking
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Yall should learn english anyway
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Coming over here, taking our jobs...
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> brb
20:48 < SupSuper> anyways defaulting to system locale + have an option is probably fine. the person that prefers english probably knows their language enough to change it, and the person that doesn't know english probably appreciates you not starting in english requiring them to dig out the option
20:52 < SupSuper> as long as the game doesn't default to a locale that doesn't work :p
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> current it queries the locale at first startup, then stores it
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably that plus an actual option to change it would be fine
22:02 < TheSnide> why storing ?
22:03 < TheSnide> too expsive to recompute ?
22:04 <@JonnyH`Work> It's actually an artifact of there being no 'defualt'
22:04 <@JonnyH`Work> and the setting system saving it if "current != default" :P
22:07 < TheSnide> oh
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> But generally, I think 'system default locale, unless the user manually changed it, then store that instead' makes sense
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23:49 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 43c45a6 SupSuper: Fix right-click Ufopaedia in base screen
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17:17 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
17:17 < Istrebitel> I need to make two functions that start battle (one called before briefing and one after) and two functions that end battle (one called before score screen and one after). How would it be proper to name them?
17:17 < Istrebitel> StartBattle1 StartBattle2, EndBattle1 EndBattle2?
17:18 < Istrebitel> or "BeginBattle StartBattle FinishBattle EndBattle"?
17:21 <@JonnyH> hmmm.. not sure
17:21 <@JonnyH> maybe 'create'/'start'
17:21 <@JonnyH> and 'end'/'destroy'?
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18:31 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/viPxd
18:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c1eb577 Jonathan Hamilton: Add stub agent equip screen
18:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 568990e Jonathan Hamilton: Add stats bars to the agent equipment screen
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18:59 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/viPh3
18:59 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master b77c0fb Jonathan Hamilton: Serialize agent type
18:59 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8f60cca Jonathan Hamilton: Handle zero stats (e.g. Android's psi-attack/energy)
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19:18 <@JonnyH> mmm... stats bars
19:18 <@JonnyH> Anyway, I've gotta run, have a good afternoon
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19:18 < SupSuper> how many times have you written that custom method to draw bars :p
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12:44 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #87:  BattleUnit implementation, Stage 1 (master...bs_units_1) https://git.io/viMIF
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14:58 < kkmic> Hey JonnyH
14:58 <@JonnyH> hey kkmic 
14:59 < kkmic> I see Istrebitel is on fire... PR #87 opened, 4,201 files changed o.O
15:00 <@JonnyH> a lot of that is generated though :)
15:00 < Istrebitel> yeah
15:00 <@JonnyH> We don't have 4000 source files...
15:00 < Istrebitel> we don't distinguish xml from cpp changes
15:00 <@JonnyH> I'm thinking I might remove the generated xml completely
15:00 < kkmic> I'm just reading what GitHub is displaying :)
15:00 < Istrebitel> yes
15:00 < Istrebitel> I agree
15:00 <@JonnyH> and either do it at 'first startup' or as a build step
15:00 <@JonnyH> as it makes diffs more difficult than necessary..
15:00 < Istrebitel> that wolud make sense
15:01 <@JonnyH> But then you *need* a specific cd.iso available in the right place for the build
15:01 < kkmic> Switch formats? :)
15:01 <@JonnyH> It's just a lot of data, no matter the format :)
15:06 < kkmic> And it's worth sticking it the binary, to be generate on the fly on the first run for example?
15:07 <@JonnyH> My issue with that is there's currently no perfect way of identifying a specifc data 'version' during development
15:07 <@JonnyH> so it doesn't know it actually needs to regenerate because I've modified something
15:08 <@JonnyH> In cmake I know we can add a dependency on *any* source to regenerate
15:08 <@JonnyH> but no idea how to do that at runtime (without reading file modified times etc. ourselves, which sounds painful)
15:09 < Istrebitel> btw, JonnyH, travis no longer builds after I added reading units animations
15:09 < Istrebitel> it seems it's trying to run the extractor
15:09 < Istrebitel> and it can't find ANIM.** files
15:09 <@JonnyH> I 'trimmed' the iso slightly
15:09 <@JonnyH> as downloading ~500mb from my server every build sounded nasty
15:09 <@JonnyH> I might need to 'un-trim' those :)
15:14 <@JonnyH> ok... right...
15:14 <@JonnyH> So the files are there
15:14 <@JonnyH> but the iso creator has replaced '-' with '_'
15:14 <@JonnyH> which is clearly wrong...
15:15 <@JonnyH> apparently, the iso file format
15:16 <@JonnyH> defines the only valid characters are letters numbers and '_'
15:16 <@JonnyH> so it's technically an invalid iso? :P
15:19 <@JonnyH> I'll enable joliet extensions then
15:19 <@JonnyH> I think that's the (slightly non-standard) way of relaxing file name limits
15:19 < Istrebitel> btw, my stuff is ready to be pulled
15:19 < Istrebitel> I have done units
15:20 < Istrebitel> they are only standing now but will be walking around soon )
15:20 < Istrebitel> Did separate branch so it won't update
15:20 < Istrebitel> btw
15:20 < Istrebitel> I tried rebasing
15:20 < Istrebitel> and squashing
15:20 < Istrebitel> and it didn't work
15:20 < Istrebitel> it updated from pmprog and ended up not squashing anything but just doing a merge of sorts
15:20 < Istrebitel> so all my numerous commits remained
15:21 <@JonnyH> Yeah, you don't want to squash from pmprog
15:21 <@JonnyH> you want to squash *to* pmprog :)
15:24 <@JonnyH> Right, I've updated my minimal iso with joliet
15:25 <@JonnyH> Try to rebuild? There's a 'rebuild same revision' button in travis
15:28 < Istrebitel> erm
15:28 < Istrebitel> i did git rebase pmprog/master -i
15:28 < Istrebitel> is that right?
15:28 <@JonnyH> yeah, that should be what you want
15:29 <@JonnyH> you don't need the '-i' unless you want to reorder/modify the commits
15:30 <@JonnyH> off for meeting ;)
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15:46 < Istrebitel> well, i did pick first, squash everything
15:46 < Istrebitel> but number of commits did not go down
16:05 < Istrebitel> JonnyH, I will now push one more commit, I have finished some work on agent equipment, now they're equipped with default stuff like in vanilla, this should be useful for you to work on equipment screen
16:05 < Istrebitel> i will add it to my pull request
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16:18 < Istrebitel> and I've mapped all the equipment slots so you can use them
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16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> The same equipment layout structs as a vehicle?
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, you shouldn't merge if you're going to rebase...
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise the rebase doesn't do anything, as the history already has the commits
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the github client likes merging for you though, so might be difficult to stop it  :P
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16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: your bs_units_1 branch doesn't build for me...
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> OpenApoc/tools/extractors/extractors.h:35:6: error: extra qualification ‘OpenApoc::InitialGameStateExtractor::’ on member ‘getItemImagePacksCount’
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> OpenApoc/tools/extractors/extract_unit_animation_packs.cpp:709:65: warning: right operand of comma operator has no effect 
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks wrong too
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> did you want the ',false' at the end of that line to be part of the function call?
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> ,true sorry :)
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> stupid github, too many files changed means I can't leave review comments :(
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> hell, I'm going to make DataExtractor part of the build :)
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> This is getting annoying...
17:16 < Istrebitel> erm?
17:16 < Istrebitel> yeah
17:16 < Istrebitel> that's a typo
17:17 < Istrebitel> second's a typo
17:17 < Istrebitel> first is strange, it builds on windows but not on linux... again
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks like  is_overlay isn't set in the hand state animation's constructor
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> same with two_handed in the agent equipment
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> And something goes wrong with the agent serialziation, test_serialize:
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> E 6118664721 static const OpenApoc::UString& OpenApoc::StateObject<T>::getId(const OpenApoc::GameState&, OpenApoc::sp<T>) [with T = OpenApoc::Agent; OpenApoc::sp<T> = std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::Agent>]: No agent matching pointer 0x615000011d90
17:28 < Istrebitel> erm
17:28 < Istrebitel> it's not set in the constructor
17:28 < Istrebitel> it's provided default value in the h file?
17:28 < Istrebitel> two handed I just fixed, yes
17:28 < Istrebitel> and agent serialize, i'll see
17:31 < Istrebitel> what are you doing to get that error?
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> running test_serialize
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> the travis build does that
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> But the same thing should happen if you save and load a game
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> (as that's what test_serialize is trying to test :)
17:35 < Istrebitel> I have just saved and loaded a game
17:35 < Istrebitel> and it worked
17:35 < Istrebitel> what exactly should the bug be?
17:35 < Istrebitel> agent not saved?
17:35 < Istrebitel> or not loaded/
17:35 < Istrebitel> or some sp not set after loaf?
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> on mine it's doing that at startup, not even load/save :P
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Might be a gcc/msvc difference?
17:38 < Istrebitel> errr
17:38 < Istrebitel> on startup?
17:38 < Istrebitel> at which line?
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Agent::addEquipment()
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> /home/jonny/code/projects/OpenApoc/game/state/agent.cpp:271
17:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I see, you're creating a StateRef<Agent>
17:39 <@JonnyH`Work> from shared_from_this()
17:39 <@JonnyH`Work> but the agent hasn't been added to the StateRefMap yet
17:39 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's still in createAgent
17:39 <@JonnyH`Work> No idea why that wouldn't fail on windows?
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> you probably want the 'state.agents[ID] = agent;
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> before the addEquipment() stuff
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> in AgentGenerator::createAgent()
17:41 < Istrebitel> wierd
17:41 < Istrebitel> weird*
17:41 < Istrebitel> yeah i see the bug
17:41 < Istrebitel> but it should not add any equipment before agent is in
17:41 < Istrebitel> because no player-owned unit spawns with built-in equipment
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> It's (org != state.getCivilian())
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> that addEquipment
17:43 < Istrebitel> yeah but we're not creating agents for orgs
17:43 < Istrebitel> only for player
17:43 < Istrebitel> oh
17:43 < Istrebitel> oh
17:43 < Istrebitel> i think i get it
17:43 < Istrebitel> maybe there's else missing on line 165?
17:44 < Istrebitel> or somewhere there
17:44 < Istrebitel> after if org = player
17:48 < Istrebitel> maybe It somehow failed to receive that fix?....
17:48 < Istrebitel> Idk... git seems to sometimes refuse to commit stuff
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> line 165 is for (auto t : l)
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> 			{
17:48 < Istrebitel> like it will commit all checked and then immediately show a diferent file
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
17:48 < Istrebitel> it should be
17:48 < Istrebitel> 		if (org == state.getPlayer())
17:48 < Istrebitel> 		{
17:48 < Istrebitel> 		}
17:48 < Istrebitel> 		// Aliens get equipment based on player score
17:48 < Istrebitel> 		else if (org == state.getAliens())
17:48 < Istrebitel> 		{
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, yeah, that's missing :)
17:48 < Istrebitel> ok i'll push a fix soon
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> So if org == getPlayer
17:48 < Istrebitel> yeah git seems to forget files
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> it'll go into the != getCivilian() path too
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, you have to add files to a commit
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> then if you change them, re-add
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> 'adding' them makes a snapshot
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> It would also be nice if we can remove some of the warnings in travis
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> some may actually be issues :)
17:59 < Istrebitel> okay I will look through what travis says
17:59 < Istrebitel> which of the 4 builds should I pay attention to?
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> all really :P
17:59 < Istrebitel> oh i see
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> first the gcc and clang (IE not sanitize, not tidy)
18:00 < Istrebitel> okay I will now finish code that displays unit items in battlescape (in UI)
18:00 < Istrebitel> and do it
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not a hard requirement
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> It's just easier to see new issues pop up if there are none to start with
18:05 < Istrebitel> oh
18:05 < Istrebitel> must we call start game before init state?
18:05 < Istrebitel> because I have some things like references to ammo types that are filled in initstate
18:05 < Istrebitel> and in startgame that's not available yet
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> and the ammo type creation shouldn't be in startGame?
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Or both pushed to init?
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> If necessary we can reverse the order of the two
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> If you think that's necessary
18:10 < Istrebitel> i just created afterDeserialization method
18:10 < Istrebitel> that runs after deserialization
18:10 < Istrebitel> that makes more sense
18:10 < Istrebitel> to do all such work there
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> that's what I saw as the purpose of 'init'?
18:10 < Istrebitel> erm
18:11 < Istrebitel> well, the way it is now, init is ran after game start
18:11 < Istrebitel> and it inits things like cities that are created in gamestart
18:11 < Istrebitel> like, scnery is pushed into cities etc
18:11 < Istrebitel> so we need to either split init in 2, or split startgame in 2
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm not sure if I see why there should be an ammo type map that's not serialized in? But used in the startGame?
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Where is it sourced from?
18:12 < Istrebitel> yeah I'll explain
18:12 < Istrebitel> ammo should link to weapons
18:12 < Istrebitel> weapons should link to ammo
18:12 < Istrebitel> when we look @ weapon we wanna know what ammo it uses
18:13 < Istrebitel> but if we store weapon->ammo link, modding becomes difficult
18:13 < Istrebitel> as two mods that introduce ammo for same weapons become conflicting
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> How often do we actually do weapon->ammotype lookup?
18:13 < Istrebitel> weapon->ammotype is much more frequent than ammo->weapon
18:13 < Istrebitel> but I decided to store ammo->weapon so that it's easier to introduce new ammo
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> It's only used when reloading right?
18:14 < Istrebitel> weapon-> ammo when showing tooltips and organising buy/sell/transfer layouts
18:14 < Istrebitel> ammo->weapon when trying to load ammo into weapon
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that link not just serialized?
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I dislike cross-dependencies like that
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> as you'll need to break the circular sp<> references too when freeing
18:15 < Istrebitel> they';re staterefs
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> can we regenerate the map when needed?
18:15 < Istrebitel> so thhere's no problem
18:16 < Istrebitel> regenerate?
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Like at marketscreen init 'for (auto &a = state->allAmmoTypes) { if (a->weapon == currentWeapon) doSomething();}
18:16 < Istrebitel> yeah ofc
18:16 < Istrebitel> that just makes no sense to always lookup if we can once do it
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Feel free to have a postSerialize(); startGame(); initGame(); or something for now though
18:17 < Istrebitel> well for now I just did an afterDeserialize
18:18 < Istrebitel> in future we can always change it
18:18 < Istrebitel> if we want
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I see it the opposite, if it's not _needed_ to be serialized, or for proven performance gains, don't bother precalculating and storing
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH this might be clearer looking at prototype code :)
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18:18 < Istrebitel> well we never change list of weapon->ammo
18:19 < Istrebitel> so why not store?
18:19 < Istrebitel> I mean, it's not that big of a work to do it
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> It just means we effectively have a redundant state in the serialized GameState
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and it's one more thing to go out of sync
18:19 < Istrebitel> erm
18:19 < Istrebitel> no we don't serialize it
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> So it is just a performance gain to lookup?
18:20 < Istrebitel> that's why we do it in a method after deserialization, because we're not storing calculated stuff
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I doubt the weapon->ammo map is going to be a 'hotpath' :P
18:20 < Istrebitel> yes and in case of ammo->weapon it's better to store it this way
18:20 < Istrebitel> for modding
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> If you think it's simpler
18:20 < Istrebitel> well I think we should pre-cache whatever is never going to change and is simple to do
18:21 < Istrebitel> it's like "this takes 1 minute to implement, why not?"
18:21 < Istrebitel> am I wrong?
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> It kinda depends, as adding a new post-serialize hook makes the logic more complex
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> It might end up being worth it though
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> If you implement it we can always review it and see if we can think of a better way
18:22 < SupSuper> what did i miss?
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> (The answer to that might be 'no, this is the best way' :)
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Just an ideological discussion about keeping lookup tables of 'reverse mappings' vs just going over all the forward mappings on the fly
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Started from Istrebitel asking if we should have a afterSerializeButBeforeGameStart() hook
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> (where such a thing would be generated)
18:23 < SupSuper> ewwww, ideologies
18:23 < Istrebitel> well actually we can just do it so game is started after init
18:23 < Istrebitel> and then we have no after
18:24 < Istrebitel> or we can have one game start that inits gamestate on game start
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> but if the game start spawns objects (e.g the city tiles, the initial vehicles)
18:24 < Istrebitel> erm yes it does
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> you have to code their TileObject stuff separate to the serialized-in vehicles or city tiles
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> (Which again, may be fine :)
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> but sounds unclean without actually looking at the code
18:25 < Istrebitel> okay
18:25 < Istrebitel> well I think it's safe to assume
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> So for now feel free to add a function called after-serialize but before game start
18:26 < Istrebitel> that at one point we will require something in the game start routine to be done after gamestate is init
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> We can always go back as we move on
18:27 < Istrebitel> actually it seems cleaner to split startgame, no?
18:27 < Istrebitel> we call startgame once
18:27 < Istrebitel> but init all the time
18:27 < Istrebitel> wouldn't that make more sense?
18:28 < Istrebitel> to split startgame?
18:29 < Istrebitel> yeah I definetly think that's better
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> But the startGames won't be called when loading a game?
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> so if it's not serialized out it won't be hooked up when loading?
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: I'm also looking at making the initial gamestate generation a build step
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> as github is whining about '600 thousand lines changed' and the like
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> and throws a hissy fit :)
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> it would mean an accessible cd.iso is a requirement ot build
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> but I guess anyone developing would have that anyway
18:31 < Istrebitel> yes
18:31 < Istrebitel> we will not split initstate
18:31 < Istrebitel> and leave all that must be done after deserialization there
18:31 < Istrebitel> as planned
18:31 < Istrebitel> but we will split game start
18:31 < Istrebitel> what needs to be done before and after init
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> so you move the parts of startGame() that require this weapon->Ammo map to startGamePostInit()?
18:31 < Istrebitel> yes
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Or whatever you want to call it
18:31 < Istrebitel> oh
18:32 < Istrebitel> yes, move everything that gives player his starting stuff
18:32 < Istrebitel> that would make most sense
18:32 < Istrebitel> as nothing player starts with needs init
18:32 < Istrebitel> but requires data that should be init
18:34 < Istrebitel>  btw
18:34 < Istrebitel> how do I change cursor?
18:34 < Istrebitel> I need that for teleporter, shooting, psi etc.
18:35 < Istrebitel> and, how do I pass info from top form to subordinate form
18:35 < Istrebitel> like, I need to tell TileView which soldiers are selected so TileView can draw selection arrows over their heads
18:35 < Istrebitel> but soldier selection is located in BattleView (same as vehicle selection in CityView)(
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> cursor is part of the framewokr
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> so you might need to add a Framework::setCursorType(CursorType type);?
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> as I think the cursor pointer is private...
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Or add a function to get the ApocCursor& reference and call that
18:38 < Istrebitel> okay and second question?
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe add a std::list<sp<TileOBject>> selectedObjects?
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> to TileView?
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> or a set<>
18:39 < SupSuper> let TileView worry about rendering the map and then BattleView renders afterwards the battle-specific stuff?
18:40 < SupSuper> although i guess you'd have z-ordering issues
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> so it can do 'if (selectedObjects.contains(currentObject)) drawSelectedBox()
18:40 < Istrebitel> well then I change city code yes?
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, the selection box needs one image behind, one image in front of the selected tile IMHO
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, but the city will always have an empty selectedObjects
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm sure we can cope with that
18:42 < Istrebitel> well I'm doing that already
18:42 < Istrebitel> drawing behind
18:42 < Istrebitel> and in front
18:42 < Istrebitel> yeah the solution is to add stuff to common objects that only one user actually uses
18:42 < Istrebitel> which seems to be against OOP?
18:43 < Istrebitel> maybe just make two inheritants to tileview that override stuff like rendering
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Seems fine for me?
18:43 < Istrebitel> I alreayud have to check what type it is because city does not have tile selection boxes
18:43 < Istrebitel> should we go that way  then?
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Due to the way the hook needs to be in the innermost loop of render()
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> you'd have to reimplemented the whole render just to add it
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> which seems against oop too :)
18:43 < Istrebitel> yes
18:43 < Istrebitel> render will be different anyway
18:44 < Istrebitel> for city and battle
18:44 < Istrebitel> at least in some parts
18:44 < Istrebitel> so we could make it completely different, just have two implementations of it, city and battle
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> unless selection state is owned by the tileobject itself?
18:44 < Istrebitel> nah that wouldn't be convenient
18:45 < SupSuper> i would just break up the rendering into discrete parts, and then BattleView can decide how to arrange TileView render steps along with its own
18:45 < Istrebitel> and I may be over-optimizing here again, but I think the less comparisons in render code the better
18:45 < Istrebitel> well battle rendering requires different rendering order, as I described on forums
18:45 < Istrebitel> and rendering selection brackets
18:46 < Istrebitel> and indicators like movement arrows and enemy focus fire arrows etc
18:46 < Istrebitel> and different strategy algorithm
18:46 < Istrebitel> (icons must be drawn after everything else is drawn )
18:46 < Istrebitel> so it makes sense to have just two different renderers
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I need to fix strategy the same way on cityscape
18:46 < Istrebitel> (in strategy higher level ground should not overwrite lower level icons)
18:47 < SupSuper> right, just have TileView have various discrete render steps
18:47 < SupSuper> that CityView and BattleView will actually reuse as they see fit
18:47 < SupSuper> TileView will never be used on its own so having its own ::render() seems kinda pointless
18:47 < Istrebitel> yes
18:47 < SupSuper> besides quick map debugging i guess :p
18:47 < Istrebitel> have CityTileView and BattleTileView implement rendering
18:48 < Istrebitel> it will duplicate some code
18:48 < Istrebitel> but in the end will be worth it I think?
18:48 < SupSuper> well it's easier to break up code in chunks *after* it's all together
18:48 < SupSuper> and easier to reduce duplicates that way
18:49 < SupSuper> like instead of TileView rendering the whole map, it could just have helpers like renderTile that can be more easily reused without dictating order
18:49 < SupSuper> renderDoodad, etc
18:49 < Istrebitel> erm
18:49 < Istrebitel> won't calling more functions introduce more overhead?
18:50 < SupSuper> better than duplicates i think
18:50 < SupSuper> but i'm just giving examples, i havent' seen the tile render code :p so just do as you see fit
18:51 < Istrebitel> okay, we have working item display in battlescape (in hands)
18:51 < Istrebitel> i will push now so that you can actually take that pull request (it will properly compile)
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> don't worry about function call overhead
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> lto/ltgc and devirtualisation is pretty good in compliers
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Only optimise if it's proven a problem (and most of these can probably be solved by compiler 'hints' like final than code changes)
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19:26 < Istrebitel> well, separating allowed to remove several things that were only used in battlescape
19:26 < Istrebitel> clearly a correct decision
19:27 < Istrebitel> they look pretty different already
19:27 < Istrebitel> we can always merge some render code if needed though
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, if 'sharing' code causes more complexity with lots of 'if (mode) {stuffA();} else { stuffB();}
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> there's no real advantage to sharing :)
19:34 < Istrebitel> i left scrolling and strategy overlay in tileview
19:34 < Istrebitel> everyuthing else in render() is diferent enough
19:34 < Istrebitel> okay I'll push this now
19:34 < Istrebitel> and tomorrow take care of warnings
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19:53 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: what are the odds all the tests could just be headers?
19:57 < SupSuper> it'd probably be easier if i could just call test from either the linux main or the windows framework, instead of trying to macro my way
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Or each exports a 'bool run_test()' function?
20:05 < SupSuper> whatever keeps me from doing #include .cpp :p
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> might make 'tests with arguments' difficult...
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I was thinking having each 'test' export a test function
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and you have a main_windows.cpp and a main_linux.cpp that's linked into each
20:06 < SupSuper> i hope this doesn't mean more dlls...
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> or whatever? Dunno, does that work with the msvc test stuff?
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Static libs? :P
20:07 < SupSuper> i wish you'd stop solving problems with more problems :P
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Eventually you get to a problem that's someone else's fault
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> then you can stop trying to solve it and bitch on the internet instead
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07:03 < kkmic> Segmentation fault: http://pastebin.com/HZYHW4Dp
07:03 < kkmic> It happened when trying to start a novice campaign
07:03 < kkmic> Not sure the log is of any use but still
07:04 < kkmic> I'll try to get a stack trace
07:58 < kkmic> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
07:58 < kkmic> [Switching to Thread 0x7fffeb2fe700 (LWP 24014)]
07:58 < kkmic> 0x00007ffff6b3dbc9 in glDeleteTextures () from /usr/lib/nvidia-340/libGL.so.1
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14:25 <@JonnyH> kkmic: 'nvidia' <- there's your issue :P
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14:40 < kkmic> Well, yeah, I kinda figured that on my own :p
14:40 < kkmic> What's the real issue though?
14:40 <@JonnyH> No ideea
14:40 < kkmic> Bad driver or something?
14:40 <@JonnyH> it works on every other graphics card I've tried...
14:41 <@JonnyH> Maybe dump the whole openapoc_log.txt?
14:41 <@JonnyH> That includes some info it detected from the opengl driver
14:41 < kkmic> Sure, where is it?
14:41 <@JonnyH> Should be in the root where you ran it from
14:41 < kkmic> Okay
14:41 < kkmic> One moment
14:41 <@JonnyH> nvidia is pretty much the only gpu I can't test on
14:41 <@JonnyH> and it seems like the most buggy
14:42 <@JonnyH> (crashes, 'upside down' rendering)
14:43 < kkmic> Too big for pastebin
14:43 <@JonnyH> Maybe I should get a cheap geforce just to test with...
14:43 <@JonnyH> It should compress well
14:43 <@JonnyH> xz -9e if you've got spare time ;)
14:45 < kkmic> I have a spare server :D
14:45 < kkmic> https://silviu.audiozone.ro/openapoc_log.txt
14:46 < kkmic> The log is cleared on each run?
14:46 <@JonnyH> yup
14:47 < kkmic> Okay, so this log is 100% from one session
14:47 < kkmic> What can I say... enjoy :)
14:48 <@JonnyH> bah, nothing suspicious :(
14:48 < kkmic> :-(
14:48 <@JonnyH> looks like it correctly created the context and using es3_compatibility (the best tested and fasted path)
14:49 < kkmic> The glDeleteTextures bit of info came from GDB
14:50 <@JonnyH> what gpu is this?
14:50 < kkmic> Not sure
14:51 < kkmic> Checking
14:51 < kkmic> It's my workplace workstation :)
14:52 < kkmic> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G96 [GeForce 9500 GT] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
14:52 <@JonnyH> huh, that's pretty old ;)
14:52 <@JonnyH> I had a geforce 8800 gts back in the day
14:52 < kkmic> Yup
14:52 <@JonnyH> but it melted...
14:52 <@JonnyH> The last nvidia card I got actually
14:53 < kkmic> I am aPHP developer, and this workstation is for development, not gaming, hence the shitty card
14:53 < kkmic> And for keeping an eye on OXC and OXA too ;)
14:53 <@JonnyH> I do graphics development
14:53 <@JonnyH> so I tend to use intel integrated graphics ;)
14:54 <@JonnyH> or amd
14:54 <@JonnyH> as they both have open source drivers that actually work...
14:54 <@JonnyH> and debugging 'into' graphics drivers makes my life a lot easier
14:54 <@JonnyH> and if it works on a crappy 4 year old laptop intel card it'll probably work on everything ;)
14:54 < kkmic> I do backend coding... I almost forgot how to use Photoshop since I have "left" frontend work
14:55 < kkmic> Well, looks like I am the exception :D
14:57 <@JonnyH> ugh, it seems like you can't get a decent priced gf9-era card...
14:57 <@JonnyH> Maybe I should ask around at work for spare gpus
14:58 <@JonnyH> *32* shader cores! Wow :)
14:59 < kkmic> Hey... it's something
14:59 < kkmic> :p
14:59 <@JonnyH> I kinda wonder if it's a driver issue
14:59 <@JonnyH> es3_compatibility is relative new
14:59 <@JonnyH> It's not new hardware features, but a 'different' way of accessing the ones that were already there on dx10-era cards
14:59 <@JonnyH> so maybe they backported it to the older cards and never actually tested it? :P
15:00 <@JonnyH> MAybe install apitrace and trace the app
15:00 <@JonnyH> see if you can capture the crashing calls
15:00 < kkmic> Well, I was thinking (and IIRC I have even asked for already) to ask for a "new" (read replacement) GPU, but that's a low priority even for me :)
15:00 <@JonnyH> Unless you have an ancient cpu you might have onboard gfx that's faster
15:00 <@JonnyH> The only reason I have an amd card in this is to drive 4 screens
15:01 < kkmic> Apitrace? Got a package name for Ubuntu?
15:01 <@JonnyH> errmmm.. 'apitrace'?
15:01 < kkmic> apitrace-gl-tracers
15:01 < kkmic> ?
15:01 < kkmic> I have a apitrace-gl-frontend too
15:01 < kkmic> *I have a apitrace-gl-frontend package too
15:01 <@JonnyH> 'apitrace' is the actual app that uses the 'gl-frontend' stuff
15:02 <@JonnyH> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apitrace
15:02 <@JonnyH> I think thats the packaging stuff right?
15:02 <@JonnyH> claims 'apitrace' has the cli apps
15:02 <@JonnyH> which you can the use with 'apitrace trace ./OpenApoc'
15:03 <@JonnyH> it should create an 'OpenApoc.trace'
15:03 <@JonnyH> which you can replay with 'glretrace OpenApoc.trace'
15:03 <@JonnyH> or inspect in the gui
15:04 < kkmic> The program 'apitrace' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install apitrace-gl-frontend
15:04 <@JonnyH> sure, why not
15:04 <@JonnyH> I don't use ubuntu, so not sure how the packages are named
15:04 < kkmic> Neither do I
15:05 < kkmic> I have a few screens of this: apitrace: warning: _gl_format_channels: unexpected format GLenum 0x8D94
15:05 < kkmic> And at the end of log:
15:05 < kkmic> apitrace: warning: caught signal 11
15:05 <@JonnyH> ooh, that's interesting
15:05 < kkmic> apitrace: flushing trace due to an exception
15:05 < kkmic> apitrace: info: taking default action for signal 11
15:05 < kkmic> The end
15:06 <@JonnyH> right, 0x8D94 is the GL_RED_INTEGER texture format
15:06 <@JonnyH> which we use
15:06 <@JonnyH> and *should* be part of the gles3 spec
15:06 <@JonnyH> which they claim to support
15:07 <@JonnyH> (unless this just an old version of apitrace and that's not coming from the nvidia graphics driver?)
15:07 < kkmic> Beats me man, I just work here
15:07 < kkmic> Literally :p
15:07 <@JonnyH> If it really doesn't support GL_RED_INTEGER
15:07 <@JonnyH> you can use the older slower GL2 backend
15:07 <@JonnyH> you can set it on the command line:
15:07 <@JonnyH> ./OpenApoc Visual.Renderers=GL_2_0
15:08 <@JonnyH> once run it'll store that in the settings.cfg and use that by default from then on
15:08 < kkmic> Trying it now
15:08 <@JonnyH> (see: ~/.local/share/OpenApoc/settings.cfg)
15:08 <@JonnyH> it *will* be slower though
15:08 <@JonnyH> it hasn't had much love, as I've assumed everything will support gles3...
15:09 <@JonnyH> A quick search suggests that _gl_format_channels is an apitrace bug
15:09 <@JonnyH> fixed in 2013...
15:09 <@JonnyH> what version of apitrace is ubuntu using??
15:09 < kkmic> I still get a crash
15:10 <@JonnyH> :(
15:10 <@JonnyH> check the openapoc_log.txt
15:10 < kkmic> How the heck do I get the apitrace version?
15:10 <@JonnyH> mae sure it says 'Using renderer: OGL2.0 Renderer'?
15:11 < kkmic> I 915992921 void OpenApoc::Framework::displayInitialise(): Using renderer: OGL2.0 Renderer
15:12 < kkmic> The last log line gets truncated
15:12 < kkmic> It looks like this
15:12 < kkmic> I 7862473303 virtual OpenApoc::sp<OpenApoc::SerializationNode> OpenApoc::XMLSerializationArchi
15:13 <@JonnyH> yeah, we don't flush the buffers if it crashes
15:15 <@JonnyH> Whelp, I'm stuck..
15:15 <@JonnyH> If even my 'slow, safe' gl2 renderer doesn't work
15:15 <@JonnyH> It sounds like a complete abomination of an opengl driver you've got there
15:15 <@JonnyH> Probably better luck with software rendering
15:16 <@JonnyH> And once again I can whine about nvidia ;)
15:18 < kkmic> :)
15:18 < kkmic> that's it then
15:18 < kkmic> Well, I'll ask AGAIN for a new GPU...
15:18 <@JonnyH> Maybe LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 would work
15:18 <@JonnyH> depending on how nvidia/ubuntu package their driver...
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15:56 < kkmic> Don't bother, I'll see if I can get a "new" graphics card
15:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm tempted to try to write a sw renderer
15:56 <@JonnyH`Work> As it sounds like a fun challenge to make if efficient
15:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Then I can do (if GL_RENDERER == "nvidia") LogError("Get a real graphics card damn it!"); use_software true;}
15:57 <@JonnyH`Work> ;)
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22:37 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: why is the cursor in framework?
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I think as it *needs* to be the last thing drawn, after all Stages?
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> it's effectively global state, as they're only one cursor at any one time
22:40 < SupSuper> doesn't seem to have any functions to actually change it though :p i guess pmprog just wrote the custom format loader and left it at that
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> ..yeah, nothing actually uses the different cursor enums
22:42 < SupSuper> i'm thinking the tooltip will have to be a global thing as well. maybe i'll attach it to the cursor, after all it follows it around
22:42 < SupSuper> just need to figure out how to get the last hovered control without z-ordering :p
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> goto zbuffer
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I think assigning a z would solve our tile ordering stuff too
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> as there are no blended pixels in the tileview
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> just 100% opaque or 100% clear
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I've just spent the last hour at work watching videos of cats falling over
23:08 < SupSuper> a metaphor for coding huh
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> ..is it?
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure if I see it myself...
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> cats falling over can be quite entertaining
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15:02 < Istrebitel> hello JonnyH
15:02 < Istrebitel> got units's movement working, almost, fixing remaining bugs
15:13 <@JonnyH> cool :)
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15:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Next time we see pmprog remind me to poke him to give you direct commit access
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19:39 < Istrebitel> erm
19:39 < Istrebitel> strange bug
19:39 < Istrebitel> in pathfinding
19:39 < Istrebitel> it won't add a valid tile to the fringe
19:39 < Istrebitel> the size before "fringe.emplace" and after is identical
19:39 < Istrebitel> even though this tile (PathNode) has 0 distance to goal
19:39 < Istrebitel> wtf?
19:40 < Istrebitel> how does C++ compare classes? maybe it thinks the node is already in the set for some reason?
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19:47 < SupSuper> Istrebitel: value equality, unless you overload the == operator
19:49 < SupSuper> if you're comparing pointers, then the same object instance will be equal. if you're comparing objects, then an object with the same values will be equal
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, fringe there shouldn't be a set
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> is that my fuckup?
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> It should be an ordered list
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> as if two nodes happen to ahve the same result for PathNodeComparer::operator() it'll only store one
19:53 < SupSuper> there's ordered lists?
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> a priority queue  or something I guess
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> we only ever want the 'smallest heuristic fringe value' each time
19:54 < Istrebitel> oh
19:55 < Istrebitel> but then it discards the goal!
19:55 < Istrebitel> if there is already an object with same distance
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Indeed, it could discard the only possible route :P
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> which is Bad
19:55 < Istrebitel> there is always only one possible route because it adds visited tiles to a list
19:55 < Istrebitel> and never re-visits
19:55 < Istrebitel> so if it discarded goal
19:55 < Istrebitel> it'll never visit goal again
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> No, it'll never discard goal
19:56 < Istrebitel> well it does for me
19:56 < Istrebitel> soldier wouldn't go to a tile I selected and Idebugged and found out it discards goal node
19:56 < Istrebitel> or rather it doesn't add it
19:56 < Istrebitel> to the fringe
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> as no other tile should have (distance to goal == 0)
19:57 < Istrebitel> comparison function is (p1.costToGetHere + p1.distanceToGoal) < (p2.costToGetHere + p2.distanceToGoal)
19:57 < Istrebitel> therefore tile with bigger goal distance can have smaller cost
19:57 < Istrebitel> and be equal
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> hmmm.. you're right there
19:57 < Istrebitel> there's one more thing
19:57 < Istrebitel> there's no point whatsoever to progress algorithm after goal is found
19:58 < Istrebitel> because we add tiles we visit to a "visited" list
19:58 < Istrebitel> and never re-visit
19:58 < Istrebitel> we will never find a better route because we will never try to enter goal tile
19:58 < Istrebitel> again
19:58 < Istrebitel> I think we should sort basd on distance to goal
19:58 < Istrebitel> not distance + cost?
19:58 < Istrebitel> oh
19:58 < Istrebitel> well
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> no, we have to include cost to get there
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise if you expand a diagonal tile from the goal
19:59 < Istrebitel> well it doesn't matter anyway, we need to change it so that we can enter goal multiple times
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> it might choose that before checking the directly adjacent tile
19:59 < Istrebitel> idk, do not add goal tile to the list of visited tiles?
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> even if the cost to get tot he directly adjacent tile is less than sqrt(2)
19:59 < Istrebitel> yes I get it
19:59 < Istrebitel> in that case we should not add goal to the list of visited tiles
20:00 < Istrebitel>  so that we could visit it again
20:00 < Istrebitel> from other direction
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think so, as we only expand a tile (and add it to 'visited') if it's the smallest heuristic
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> and as the heuistic (euclidian distance) is can never over-estimate
20:01 < Istrebitel> well, look, the way algorithm is done now, we will never visit goal twice, so we will never have to compare it
20:01 < Istrebitel> if we found goal we can exit right there
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> if we ever expand the goal tile (and add it to 'visited') we *know* this is the shortest route
20:01 < Istrebitel> return getPathToNode(visitedTiles, nodeToExpand);
20:01 < Istrebitel> well then
20:01 < Istrebitel> in that case we should not add goal to fringe
20:02 < Istrebitel> but exit when we found it
20:02 < Istrebitel> right?
20:02 < Istrebitel> becaue right now we exit when we pick "goal" from fringe
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> No, as just adding to the fringe may not be the shortest path
20:02 < Istrebitel> erm
20:02 < Istrebitel> but adding it to the fringe
20:02 < Istrebitel> also adds it to the visisted list!
20:02 < Istrebitel> and we never re-visit!
20:02 < Istrebitel> look we first do if (visitedTiles.find(tile) != visitedTiles.end())
20:02 < Istrebitel> 						continue;
20:03 < Istrebitel> only then we add to fringe
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm.. then that might not be optimal
20:03 < Istrebitel> yes
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> IT's been a while since I looked at this :P
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Only half-remembered what was going on
20:03 < Istrebitel> we should not discard equally distant tiles to goal
20:03 < Istrebitel> I think
20:03 < Istrebitel> because one of them might provide a better path in the future
20:04 < Istrebitel> we never know
20:04 < Istrebitel> maybe change set to list?
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> one may be the *only* oath to the goal
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. 2 adjacent corridors
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> but one ends in a wall or somehint
20:04 < Istrebitel> yes
20:04 < Istrebitel> and if we discard based on the fact that distance + cost equals
20:04 < Istrebitel> we can discard open one
20:04 < Istrebitel> and get left with the wall
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> this probably happens to work in the city as there are rarely dead-ends etc.
20:05 < Istrebitel> will it be a big overhead if we change set to list?
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> but yeah, it should be fixed
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> make it list and call std::sort(PathNodeComparer) each time?
20:05 < Istrebitel> is list much slower?
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> so the head is always the smallest
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> It's more the sorting (and checking it's sorted) requires at least scanning every entry
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I think a priority queue is what we want really..
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> but then we need to allow updating the visitedTiles paths
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> if we expand the same time with a 'shorter' path
20:07 < Istrebitel> so I do fringe.sort(PathNodeComparer());
20:07 < Istrebitel> right
20:07 < Istrebitel> ?
20:08 < Istrebitel> oh rather fringe.sort(c)
20:08 < Istrebitel> where c is of type PAthComparer
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20:12 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9ca642c sfalexrog: Fixes for Android compilation
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20:16 < Istrebitel> would it be faster to iterate through list
20:16 < Istrebitel> until we find a place where a larger entry lies or reach end
20:16 < Istrebitel> and then instert there?
20:16 < Istrebitel> rather than emplace_back and sort?
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> IT would be
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> but IIRC that's what stuff like priority_queue does internally anyway
20:17 < Istrebitel> and I think we should stop adding goal to visited tiles
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> sure
20:18 < Istrebitel> so that we could try to go into goal multiple times
20:18 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW any way you can write a little unit test to exercise the pathfinder a bit?
20:18 < Istrebitel> well
20:18 < Istrebitel> what exactly needs testing?
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe try to create a case where there are 2 paths and one is discarded?
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> though mocking up a full TileMap might be time consuming...
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> If you can't think of a decent way of actually testing something useful don't bother
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm off to grab some lunch, brb
20:20 < Istrebitel> so how do i change it to priorityqueue?
20:21 < Istrebitel> it's a template for constructor, right?
20:21 < Istrebitel> i mean template for container
20:21 < Istrebitel> or just a container?
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a wrapper that you can change the 'underlying' container with the second template argument
20:22 < Istrebitel> do I do std::priority_queue <PathNode>?
20:22 < Istrebitel> or <PathNode, deque>?
20:22 < Istrebitel> or what?
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> which defaults to std::vector if not specified
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> which is good
20:22 < Istrebitel> vector is not good for us, right?
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> vector is good
20:22 < Istrebitel> well it will have to re-order stuff a lot
20:23 < Istrebitel> won't i be bad to use vector in such case?
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Depends, but pointer-chasing through a std::list might be wose
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> *worse
20:23 < Istrebitel> it looks like deque is better?
20:23 < Istrebitel> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/container/deque
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> leave it as vector :)
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> If it's too slow we can profile and stop guessing
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> andyway, back in a bit
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18:27 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> hey
18:28 < Istrebitel> about cursors
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: You were looking at cursors?
18:28 < Istrebitel> yeah, my question was, is someone doing it yet
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure if sup is actually doing anything
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> but I think he was looking near there for tooltips too
18:31 < Istrebitel> well, I fixed all pathfinding bugs I could find yet
18:31 < Istrebitel> and fixed that code I talked about yesteday
18:31 < Istrebitel> it no longer adds goal to visited tiles
18:31 < Istrebitel> and it uses a list and inserts manually as that is the most efficient way (just iterate until end or found where to insert, then inser)
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18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Oops, I scared sup off
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Thanks for fixing up the pathfinding code
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Making it work is more important than small possible-performance-improvements
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> We can always revisit it later
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19:02 < Istrebitel> well right now it's as fast as it can be i think
19:02 < Istrebitel> it just does several iterations (probably not a lot as newly found point will be close to the beginning of the fringe)
19:03 < Istrebitel> i mean seeveral increments of the iterator
19:03 < Istrebitel> and then inserts once into std::list
19:03 < Istrebitel> that's cheap
19:03 < Istrebitel> I am tempted to increase iteration limit for battlescape
19:03 < Istrebitel> as there's going to be way less pathfinding requests there
19:03 < Istrebitel> (at the same time, the canentertile is way more complex so maybe not)
19:06 < Istrebitel> also, the sound fade curve was way off
19:06 < Istrebitel> in game sound fades even within game screen
19:06 < Istrebitel> like shooting at screen corner is noticably less loud than in the center
19:06 < Istrebitel> I changed the curve from 25-100 to 3-40
19:07 < Istrebitel> so it starts fading at 3 tiles and fades to 25% at 40
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> inserting and removing from a list is cheap
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> but iterating over it is relatively expensive due to the pointer chasing and cache issues
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> and I made up the sound curves just to test if it actually worked :P
19:09 < Istrebitel> we don't ever iterate
19:09 < Istrebitel> we always pick first
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> then it should be fine
19:10 < Istrebitel> yep
19:10 < Istrebitel> list is the best for our case
19:10 < Istrebitel> we don't need to sort because items in list never change their value
19:10 < Istrebitel> we can just insert at proper position (always close to start so it's cheap) and that's it
19:10 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: you realize your whole game is made of pointer chasing :P
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Everyone had a xeon with 20mb l3 now right?
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16:39 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
16:40 < Istrebitel> You want me to commit directly now, so I won't be making any more pull requests, right?
16:40 <@JonnyH> Sure
16:40 <@JonnyH> So long as you don't break the linux build too much ;)
16:41 <@JonnyH> though I think pmprog needs to give you access to the repository, if he hasn't already
16:41 < Istrebitel> so how do I do it, when he does?
16:41 < Istrebitel> I still work in my own branch, right?
16:41 <@JonnyH> Work in your own branch
16:41 < Istrebitel> and then I update pmprog/master from istrebitel/master?
16:42 <@JonnyH> then you should be able to 'git push pmprog'
16:42 < Istrebitel> erm? but merge conflicts?
16:42 <@JonnyH> merge pmprog/master into yours first
16:42 <@JonnyH> then the push should already be merged
16:42 <@JonnyH> Or you could use github pullrequests if you're more comfortable with that
16:43 <@JonnyH> but you'll just click 'merge' yourself :)
16:43 <@JonnyH> as waiting for me is clearly not useful, as I've been busy the last couple of weeks and struggling to find time to even go over merge requests...
16:43 < Istrebitel> ok
16:44 < Istrebitel> I found solution for voxelmaps while trying to implement prone units
16:44 < Istrebitel> all voxelmaps stay the same size
16:44 < Istrebitel> but objects can have more than one
16:44 < Istrebitel> object has x,y,z count of voxelmaps
16:44 < Istrebitel> and object has a function that returns if voxel exists (getvoxel of voxelmap is used now, instead this will be)
16:45 <@JonnyH> you can make it so getVoxelMap() returns a different map depending on if it's prone/standing?
16:45 < Istrebitel> object finds where the point is inside it, then takes appropriate map, gets voxel and returns
16:45 < Istrebitel> and yes, some objects will have different voxelmaps based on their states
16:45 <@JonnyH> You might also need to change the TileObject bounds
16:45 < Istrebitel> some won't
16:45 < Istrebitel> yes
16:45 < Istrebitel> ofc
16:45 <@JonnyH> so it's 'affecting' more tiles
16:45 < Istrebitel> objects will change bounds
16:45 < Istrebitel> also objects will have different voxel maps based on facing
16:45 <@JonnyH> and that should take effect after a add/remove to the tilemap
16:45 <@JonnyH> (which is also done on move)
16:45 < Istrebitel> like, prone object is a log, and this log must face appropriately
16:46 < Istrebitel> yes
16:46 <@JonnyH> sounds good
16:46 < Istrebitel> I'm going to do this generally, so city can benefit too
16:46 < Istrebitel> and then we're almost done implementing big units
16:46 < Istrebitel> all that remains is to change rendering algorithm in battlescape, but I think i'll just go with how openxcom does it
16:46 < Istrebitel> that is, redraw tiles that get overwritten by big units and should not be
16:47 < Istrebitel> I also implemented almost all movement, all that remains is to check if flying works properly
16:47 < Istrebitel> even "giving way"
16:48 < Istrebitel> and well, still have to implement strafing and jumping (and I think i'll implement moving backwards while at it, because why not, Jagged Alliance 2 does it so why can't we)
16:49 <@JonnyH> Sure, make it an option though
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17:02 < Istrebitel> yes ofc
17:02 < Istrebitel> for now I"m adding "Fixtis" where options should be read
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17:02 < Istrebitel> and use a variable named USER_OPTION_
17:02 < Istrebitel> so when we have options
17:02 < Istrebitel> we can just easilly fix everything to use them
17:02 < Istrebitel> :"FIXME"s I means
17:02 < Istrebitel> meant, damm
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17:19 < Istrebitel> btw, can I assume that trvais building means linux build is fine?
17:22 <@JonnyH> yeah, if travis works you're fine
17:22 <@JonnyH> I was halfway through reworking the ConfigFile stuff
17:22 <@JonnyH> to make it a bit more flexible
17:22 <@JonnyH> but that stuff is probably part of the 'game state' IE set at game start and saved in the save game
17:22 <@JonnyH> not really a 'config option'
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21:04 <@JonnyH> not a lot
21:04 <@JonnyH> WAs working at cleaning up options a bit last night
21:04 <@JonnyH> IE use boost:program_options for everything
21:05 <@JonnyH> so can add options from any source
21:05 <@JonnyH> and set them from the cmdline
21:05 <@JonnyH> I'll push my current stuff...
21:05 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/config-cleanup
21:06 < SupSuper> how the hell do options need a boost wrapper
21:06 <@JonnyH> It's more so you can have defaults, do '--help' and it prints them
21:06 <@JonnyH> IIRC getopt isn't on windows?
21:07 <@JonnyH> so then I want to require the iso for build
21:07 < SupSuper> uggggggggghhgghghgh
21:07 <@JonnyH> and generate the gamestate/maps in build :)
21:07 < SupSuper> "We might want to mark some options as persistent (and thus saved) and some not?" this can be handy if you like globals, but you know what they say about globals :p
21:08 <@JonnyH> configs *are* globals :P
21:08 < SupSuper> yeah but they're readonly, conceptually anyways
21:08 < SupSuper> you are not gonna be playing around with the player's volume :P
21:09 <@JonnyH> But you *do* want to save the 'volume' to the config file
21:09 <@JonnyH> but probably not '--enable-debug-mode'
21:09 < SupSuper> for example, the openxcom intro messes with the player volume and i hate whoever did that
21:10 <@JonnyH> ugh, that's nasty
21:10 <@JonnyH> options should all be 'user' set
21:10 < SupSuper> i assume they were like "man this is way too quiet compared to other sounds"
21:10 < SupSuper> but what do you know that varies a lot between users
21:11 < SupSuper> but i don't dare go near video playback code so :p
21:13 <@JonnyH> Not sure if I should point out all the unaligned accesses in the mod player stuff that crashes arm64...
21:37 <@JonnyH> Huh, might actually care about work again
21:37 <@JonnyH> Asked for a pay rise, and they actually gave it to me...
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00:02 <@JonnyH> Right, next step is to make the DataExtractor part of the build step
00:02 <@JonnyH> then we can delete ~150mb of xml from git :)
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18:15 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
18:19 < Istrebitel> I have found out that for some reason, for about a month already (since before I started doing anything but research screen) cityscape voxelmaps are off by 8 pixels
18:20 < Istrebitel> I tried checking out pmprog , several commits, and found out it's that way all along the way
18:20 < Istrebitel> so I had to change offset in extract_city_scenery
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19:08 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: That's possible certainly
19:08 <@JonnyH> I've not verifies the voxel maps match up with the sprites to any degree
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15:20 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
15:20 < Istrebitel> Could you please tell me, why when I try to pass state into enqueue it throws an error about referencing a deleted function (not even telling me which)
15:21 < Istrebitel> I'm trying to do auto loadTask = fw().threadPool->enqueue([vehicle, state]() -> ..... where state is sp<GameState>
15:29 <@JonnyH> Sorry, I'll have to look at that in a bit, I've got a meeting now -_-
16:07 < Istrebitel> yeah and, well, tell me when I have commit haccess
16:07 < Istrebitel> I've implemented doors
16:50 <@JonnyH> back
16:50 <@JonnyH> I think pmprog is the only one that can add commit access...
16:50 <@JonnyH> I've not seen him for a while :/
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17:38 < Istrebitel> oh well
17:39 < Istrebitel> it doesn't matter that much, code isn't going to go away
17:39 < Istrebitel> so, why i can be saying I'm referencing deleted function &GameState when I try to do that?
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I can only guess it's not copying the sp<GameState>
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> but the 'raw' GameSTate itself?
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> is 'state' really a sp<GameState>
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> not a GameSTate& or something?
17:50 < Istrebitel> well I was trying to reuse loading screen for battle
17:50 < Istrebitel> so I wrap my code that creates battle
17:51 < Istrebitel> and do the code similar to difficulty screen
17:51 < Istrebitel> it haS
17:51 < Istrebitel> 	auto loadTask = fw().threadPool->enqueue([path]() -> sp<GameState>
17:51 < Istrebitel> so I do  loadTask = fw().threadPool->enqueue([vehicle, state]() ->
17:51 < Istrebitel> and inside is the code that uses state and vehicle
17:51 < Istrebitel> state is sp<GameState>
17:51 < Istrebitel> and it thrws that
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> that should call the copy constuctor for sp<GameSTate> 
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> which shouldn't be deleted...
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not const or anything?
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Or is it 'vehicle' that it's complaining about?
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Or perhaps the returned task itself?
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe push the code to a different branch I can test locally?
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Or upload the 'full' error message somewherE?
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18:38 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: i swear travis doesn't like me lately :p
18:38 < SupSuper> The command "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test -y > /dev/null" failed and exited with 1 during .
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> :(
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems ppa updates aren't atomic
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> so if you get it halfway though an update or something it just fails
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Which happens pretty regulatly :(
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> brb lunch
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20:01 < Istrebitel> oh i don't know hwy it bugged
20:01 < Istrebitel> no longer does...
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I can only assume it was trying to copy *state not state or something
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04:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 92727ef Jonathan Hamilton: BattleUnit implementation, Stage 1...
04:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 5e6012d Jonathan Hamilton: Regenerate data...
04:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8642d08 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix misaligned pointer access in extract_battlescape_map
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04:11 <@JonnyH> oops, didn't mean to push pmprog :)
04:12 <@JonnyH> *nobody saw anything*
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18:48 <@JonnyH> hi SupSuper
18:49 < SupSuper> hey
18:50 <@JonnyH> hows things?
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18:58 <@JonnyH> Is it me or is freenode struggling today?
18:58 < SupSuper_> seems to be like that lately
19:00 < SupSuper_> anyways i might have had an idea for tooltips. then i can go back to doing nothing productive in gameplay! :p
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19:01 <@JonnyH> You can join me in watching Istrebitel get some insanely fast progress on the battlescape...
19:01 < SupSuper_> i too didn't have a day job once...
19:02 <@JonnyH> Yeah, and once again half my team are on holiday..
19:02 <@JonnyH> I woke up this morning to >100 emails
19:02 <@JonnyH> about 20 of which was a rather entertaining chain
19:03 <@JonnyH> of someone asking for a comment on something at ~1am my time. Pinging me again at ~2am. Starting to get a bit tetchey by 3
19:03 <@JonnyH> Demanding to know where my desk was at 4
19:03 < SupSuper_> in bed, i assume :p
19:03 <@JonnyH> then slightly embarressingly apologising saying that he has just been informed I work in the US, not the UK office
19:04 < SupSuper_> yeah scheduling US<->GMT stuff is always fun
19:04 <@JonnyH> It's a bit weird as there's 3 of us in the US
19:04 < SupSuper_> it's been kinda slow here, i can get like 10min of work done in every hour waiting for my superiors to get back to me :p
19:05 <@JonnyH> and like the other 897 of our group in the same office in the uk
19:05 < SupSuper_> lol
19:05 <@JonnyH> so I can appreciate the assumption :P
19:06 <@JonnyH> anyway.. I'll probably merge this config change stuff
19:06 <@JonnyH> as soon as I can get it working on windows...
19:06 <@JonnyH> It seems boost::filesystem is converting a char* to a wchar*
19:06 <@JonnyH> and then trying to convert it back to utf8
19:06 < SupSuper_> gross :p
19:07 <@JonnyH> ugh, I hate text encodings
19:07 < SupSuper_> you'd think msvc's version of <filesystem> would work on windows...
19:07 <@JonnyH> I guess as wchar* is the 'default' for windows api functions it just runs with that
19:08 < SupSuper_> 'sorta'
19:08 <@JonnyH> not offering a char* version from what I can see
19:08 <@JonnyH> boost version takes an options cvt
19:09 < SupSuper_> every windows function with strings has A and U versions, normally it'll just pick the U version but you can specifically pick a A version if you're calling win32 yourself
19:09 <@JonnyH> but I want to avoid #ifdef WINDOWS (path(cstring, utf8_to_wchar_cvt())) #else (path(cstring)) #endif
19:09 < SupSuper_> but then you face whatever codepage "ansi" is
19:10 <@JonnyH> I mean it has functions to go *to* utf8 on windowsd
19:10 <@JonnyH> but not from?
19:10 < SupSuper_> also the windows c api all uses the ansi versions for char*, naturally
19:11 < SupSuper_> well i don't know boost, but i know win32 *can* convert between encodings back and forth :p
19:11 <@JonnyH> boost does, we do in UString
19:11 <@JonnyH> but at this point I hadn't had a need for a UString.toWString()
19:11 <@JonnyH> so hadn't implemented it
19:11 < SupSuper_> is it just for paths?
19:12 <@JonnyH> and on non-windowqs you *don't* want the wstring version...
19:12 <@JonnyH> ttps://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/config-cleanup/framework/configfile.cpp#L152
19:12 <@JonnyH> h...
19:13 < SupSuper_> wait so it actually uses different path types based on the platform you build it on?
19:13 <@JonnyH> So we set the default config path from PHYSFS_getPrefDir()
19:13 <@JonnyH> which returns utf8
19:13 <@JonnyH> which works with ifstream as we've imbued a utf8 locale globally
19:14 <@JonnyH> but the same std::string passed to a boost::filesystem::path constructor crashes
19:15 <@JonnyH> seemingly trying to interpret a char* array (utf8 or ascii, both are the 'same' here as I had no funny chars)
19:15 <@JonnyH> as a ucs2 wchar array
19:15 <@JonnyH> so it spits out some random chinese characters then finds an invalid encoding
19:15 <@JonnyH> There's probably something really dumb I'm doing wrong...
19:16 < SupSuper_> hmmm according to the docs it should implicitly convert chars on windows...
19:16 < SupSuper_> "For Windows-like implementations, including MinGW, path::value_type is wchar_t. The default imbued locale provides a codecvt facet that invokes Windows MultiByteToWideChar or WideCharToMultiByte API with a codepage of CP_THREAD_ACP if Windows AreFileApisANSI()is true, otherwise codepage CP_OEMCP."
19:16 <@JonnyH> there's that coment in the header
19:16 <@JonnyH> but it seems to lie
19:17 < SupSuper_> well utf-8 is not the same as the default ansi codepage, although close enough for most paths
19:17 < SupSuper_> have you tried using a c_str() instead of a str()?
19:18 < SupSuper_> since the docs only mention char*, not std::string
19:23 < TheSnide> in compiling physfs, i have src/OpenApoc/dependencies/physfs/src/archiver_iso9660.c:305:3: error: ‘for’ loop initial declarations are only allowed in C99 or C11 mode
19:23 < TheSnide> where can i override CFLAGS in CMake ?
19:24 <@JonnyH> you can set CMAKE_C_FLAGS
19:24 <@JonnyH> SupSuper_: I tried .cStr() with apparently the same results
19:24 < SupSuper_> weird, maybe i'll play with it at some point
19:25 <@JonnyH> I just had a quick play around last night
19:25 <@JonnyH> I'll look into it properly this evening
19:25 < TheSnide> JonnyH: where ? as an env var ?
19:25 <@JonnyH> it's a cmake var
19:26 <@JonnyH> so you can set it with cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS="std=c99"
19:26 <@JonnyH> Or in ccmake or the gui
19:26 < TheSnide> oh
19:26 <@JonnyH> you need to be in 'advanced mode' to see it though
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19:27 <@JonnyH> though if it's required, I should probably set that as the default in the physfs CMakeLists.txt
19:27 < TheSnide> libphysfs.so.2.1.0: undefined reference to `alloca' ... hmmmmm
19:27 < SupSuper_> sounds more like you're compiling in weird ansi c mode or something
19:27 <@JonnyH> ugh, alloca...
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19:28 < TheSnide> huhuhu
19:30 <@JonnyH> huh, physfs only #include <alloca.h> if it's on solaris
19:35 < TheSnide> huhuhu. i'm on Deb Jessie...
19:35 < TheSnide> i guess some os guessing has gone bad
19:35 < TheSnide> is phyfs really needed ?
19:36 <@JonnyH> yup, it's used to read the game iso for all the data
19:36 < TheSnide> i can loop mount it
19:36 < SupSuper_> can you extract the iso? :p
19:36 <@JonnyH> we could loop mount it, but for now all data reads go througn physfs, even the directly stuff, as it acts like unionfs too
19:37 <@JonnyH> TBH physfs has turned into a bit of a liability in some areas :P
19:38 < SupSuper_> all dependencies do :P
19:38 <@JonnyH> it's clearly 'oldschool' C code
19:40 <@JonnyH> I can't seem to find a combination of -std= and -ansi that actually fails like that...
19:41 <@JonnyH> Guess those crazy debian guys have gone and patched gcc again?
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19:53 <@JonnyH> right, give this a go:
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19:53 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vPexE
19:53 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 650cb19 Jonathan Hamilton: Update physfs with c99/alloca build fixes
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20:08 <@JonnyH> Though I should be careful here
20:08 <@JonnyH> as it's been nearly 3 days since I last rewrote some unnecessary core component
20:08 <@JonnyH> Hell, I've not even merged my last unnecessary rewrite yet
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21:20 < TheSnide> [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~thx
21:20 < TheSnide> thx
21:20 < TheSnide> thx
21:20 < TheSnide> meh
21:20 < TheSnide> (sorry)
21:22 < TheSnide> hmm doesn't work. same error
21:23 < TheSnide> .. but don't worry, i'll sort it out when i have some time
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21:27 <@JonnyH> you might need to makesure your submodule is up to date...
21:28 <@JonnyH> Or you're not running a GNU-c compatible compiler I suppose :P
21:28 <@JonnyH> tcc or sunc or something weird
21:36 < TheSnide> gcc
21:42 <@JonnyH> gcc --version
21:42 <@JonnyH> ?
21:42 <@JonnyH> any weird CFLAGS set in your env?
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09:55 < TheSnide> no CFLAGS
09:56 < TheSnide> gcc  (Debian 4.9.2-10) 4.9.2
09:57  * TheSnide usually uses libarchive for his zip & iso needs
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14:29 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: Weird, gcc 4.9 works here...
14:30 <@JonnyH> And libarchive is aimed at sequential access, not random access from what I can see
14:32 <@JonnyH> otherwise I'd prefer libarchive TBH, seems much less buggy :)
14:32 <@JonnyH> and allows write, so we wouldn't have to do out own miniz-based writer
16:03 < Istrebitel> JonnyH, are you here?
16:04 < Istrebitel> I'm puzzled. C++ sometimes won't compare Vec3<int>'s!
16:04 < Istrebitel> i mean, x=x, y=y, z=z but vector!=vector
16:07 < Istrebitel> or maybe it's quickwatch playing tricks on me?
16:25 <@JonnyH> We use GLM for Vec<>s ?
16:25 <@JonnyH> so they presumably use that operator==...
16:30 < Istrebitel> well I will check it to just VS being quirky
16:30 < Istrebitel> it often presents bullshit in quickwatch values... I don't know why
16:31 < Istrebitel> btw
16:31 < Istrebitel> I had to raise city up by 1 level in order to make landing and take off work better
16:31 < Istrebitel> because in vanilla vehicle rises from the bottom, while in openapoc before that it was just appearing
16:32 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I guess they appear from z=-1 :)
16:32 < Istrebitel> yes
16:32 < Istrebitel> so raising it up1 level allowed us to make them pop from 0
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16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> makes sense
16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW let me know when you want me to merge stuff into pmprog
16:32 < Istrebitel> also I changed the way vehicle missions work, i made update called when finished, so that we have some kind of "end" handling
16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> as he's been away a while so still hasn't been able to give you access...
16:33 < Istrebitel> and moved code from isFinished there (code that was supposed to run when finished)
16:33 < Istrebitel> also, I made it so that before trying to pathfind, it will check if target is passable
16:34 < Istrebitel> and if not it will path to something nearby (random) and then try to path again
16:34 < Istrebitel> that sped up pathing a lot, and also works like vanilla (try to make 10 vehicles land in the same building and you'll see)
16:34 < Istrebitel> yeah, would be good to merge stuff now as I've done a lot
16:35 < Istrebitel> oh yeah and vehicles were not checking if next destination is accessible, they only checked that when pathfinding, so they could easilly go through each other when arriving
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> good stuff :)
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> As I said, let me know when you want something merged
16:42 < Istrebitel> okay
16:42 < Istrebitel> can we do it today in several minutes? I will just make sure everything works properly and builds on linux
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure
16:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm on linux now
16:43 <@JonnyH`Work> so if you want me to test something let me know
16:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been meaning to finish off my 'move the data generation to the build'
16:43 <@JonnyH`Work> but I've been rushed at work
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> and when I get home late I don't feel like opening up my laptop after starting at a screen all day...
16:44 < Istrebitel> nah I don't want to burden you with something I should be albe to handle
16:44 < Istrebitel> I'll just use travis
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll 'test' it when merging anway :)
16:44 < Istrebitel> to build?
16:44 < Istrebitel> wont that make it slower to build?
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> A bit slower
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but it'll stop the massive xml churn every commit
16:47 < Istrebitel> maybe just leave xmls out of commits
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe
16:47 < Istrebitel> and let people run extractor when they see fit
16:47 < Istrebitel> that would be better really, building is already slow enough
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> But I worry about people not re-running and end up using stale data...
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I might look into cleaning up the includes etc.
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> that will make it a fair bit faster from what I can see
16:50 < Istrebitel> stale?
16:51 < Istrebitel> well right now that's the same
16:51 < Istrebitel> you re-run when you have to update the data
16:51 <@JonnyH`Work> 'stale' == 'old'
16:51 <@JonnyH`Work> but if I update my git with your changes
16:51 <@JonnyH`Work> and don't re-run the extractor
16:51 < Istrebitel> well it can only get stale if you made it so, of you got something from git
16:51 < Istrebitel> in both cases you know about it
16:51 <@JonnyH`Work> your changes may rely on data that doesn't exist
16:54 < Istrebitel> well, yes, if you change something that relies on data not yet generated, you know you hav eto run the extractor
16:55 <@JonnyH`Work> or only check-in the top checksum
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> so if the data is missing or the checksum doesn't match, re-generate
17:00 < Istrebitel> well if we could do some advanced logic then great
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> but at this point we could probably just remove the data
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> We only need to care about 'solving' stale data if it actually turns into an issue
17:02 < Istrebitel> that's my point
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> right, I'll do that
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> probably after your merge
17:02 < Istrebitel> when we remove the data all that changes is a need to manually re-generate after getting from git
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll add it to the builds on appveyor/travis
17:15 < Istrebitel> okay travis seems to have no issues with my build
17:15 < Istrebitel> will push last fixes and it's ready
17:18 < Istrebitel> oh wait
17:18 < Istrebitel> i have to update first
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17:24 < Istrebitel> btw
17:25 < Istrebitel> what's the proper way of updating when you change a subproject/
17:25 < Istrebitel> ?
17:25 < Istrebitel> do I use NuGet's update?
17:26 < Istrebitel> waIt, no, not nuget
17:26 < Istrebitel> I used something last time to make sure physfx wouldn't die on me, because updating fronm your branch does not update subprojects
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git submodule update'
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> or 'git pull --recurse-submodules=yes'
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I think you can do that by setting the git 'fetch.recurseSubmodules' config
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I think that's the default in newer gits
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> or not...
17:34 < Istrebitel> yeah git submodule update worked
17:43 < Istrebitel> okay done
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17:44 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #88: battlescape units, pathfinding improvements, vehicle improvements (master...master) https://git.io/vPJY4
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17:47 < Istrebitel> btw, why when I merge, it creates an extra commit, and that commit has a changelist of all previous commits, when those previous commits also have those changes listed in them?
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> you mean the merge commits?
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> That's normal, as merge commits are treated specially as they reconcile 2 heads
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git show SHA' or 'git log --stat' won't show files in merge commits unless there was a conflict though
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, looks like you've managed to add a data/ui and a data/UI directory...
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll fix that, no problem
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> it also seems if I regenerate the data it creates 'mapsector.xml' not 'mapSector.xml'
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> and delettes ata/imagepacks/spits/ data/animationpacks/chrys data/animationpacks/mwegg and data/animationpacks/spit/
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> and battle_strategy_icon_list.xml
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17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> ooh! hey there pmprog_laptop 
17:58 < pmprog_laptop> Hey hey kids. How are we all?
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Good :)
17:58 < pmprog_laptop> Glad to hear
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> While you're here can you add Istrebitel to the github commit list?
17:58 < pmprog_laptop> Sure, can you not do that?
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> He's been doing a *lot* of good battlescape stuff
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Not by the look of it
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> As in on 'my' fork I get a settings menu I can choose 'collaborators' from
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> but on pmprog/OpenApoc there's no settings tab at all
18:00 < pmprog_laptop> Okay. I've been meaning to ask you about adding him, but I've not really had any time to get on the laptop
18:00 < pmprog_laptop> It's done
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> :D
18:01 < pmprog_laptop> So when you say "a lot", what do we have in battlescape?
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> errm... a lot :)
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> agents, items, animations
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> (fixed) pathfinding
18:01 < pmprog_laptop> Wicked. We need a new video
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Indeed
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I was out the house most of last weekend
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I might try to fire up the old video editor this evening or something...
18:03 < pmprog_laptop> Cool. I might git pull and see if I can build and run it
18:03 < Istrebitel> oh btw, a question, where do I find strings in english?
18:03 < Istrebitel> like, briefings?
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> probably the .pot files
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> they're extracted from the .exxe
18:04 < pmprog_laptop> pot files?
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> data/languages/ufo_string.pot
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> 'po templates'
18:04 < pmprog_laptop> So not potatoes then?
18:04 < pmprog_laptop> Do we not use XML language files any more?
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> It's what gettext uses as a 'source' template, which normally is english 
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> nope, boost::locale and transifex both support the gettext format
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and allow annotations (like pleurals, numbers, dates etc.)
18:06 < pmprog_laptop> Wow, this beast is so different from what I originally started
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> if you want to add a new string, I believe you add it to the transifex project
18:06 < pmprog_laptop> You might have been better scratching all my stuff and starting afresh ;-)
18:06 < pmprog_laptop> Although it sounds pretty much like you have
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> and then the .pot (And the derived translated .po files) are then pulled from transifex
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> It's all been progressing in some direction :)
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> even if the code looks different
18:07 < pmprog_laptop> That's good and bad... I'd have no clue where to start, but progress is much better than I've I was still soloing
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: I get a lot of warnings about:
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> RawSampleLoader::loadSample(OpenApoc::UString): Rawsound "RAWSOUND:xcom3/rawsound/tactical/weapons/firexpls.raw:22050" failed to open file "xcom3/rawsound/tactical/weapons/firexpls.raw"
18:09 < Istrebitel> oh?
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> should that be xcom3/rawsound/tactical/explosns/firexpls.raw
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> as there's no weapons/firexpls.raw file in my iso...
18:11 < Istrebitel> dunno how I missed it
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/3f7e8e2891570a733a6f1647cea457d8ffdadbd9
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> that is the result of re-generating on my linux
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> quite a few differences...
18:12 < Istrebitel> fixed
18:13 < Istrebitel> re-generating, you mean, using my code?
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> why have all my battle_strategy_icon_list.xml entries disappeared?
18:13 < Istrebitel> i changed that to a more fitting name
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, merged in your code, re-ran OpenApoc_DataExtractor
18:13 < Istrebitel> battle_common_images_list
18:13 < Istrebitel> since it now also has loading images and will have something else probably
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, so it was just a file that hasn't been deleted from git :)
18:14 < Istrebitel> erm
18:14 < Istrebitel> ah sure
18:14 < Istrebitel> i forgot to wipe the data folers
18:14 < Istrebitel> folders*
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I always wipe the data folders to check the re-generation
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> that also explains the mapSectors->mapsectors change too
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> as on windows 'open("mapsectors.xml") would map to the already existing "mapSectors.xml" file
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> while on linux it'd create a new file
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Same with the data/UI -> data/ui change
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> git doesn't really cope on windows with files that only differ by case
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> it assumes they're different, even if they happen to be the same file on windows
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> brb
18:17 < Istrebitel> i changed names to lowercase
18:18 < Istrebitel> so that there's no problem with case sensitivity
18:18 < Istrebitel> i think i did it long ago
18:18 < pmprog_laptop> I thought we used to have some code that tried variations of casing if the file wasn't found "as-is"
18:18 < pmprog_laptop> Bah, what do I know ;-)
18:23 < pmprog_laptop> Oh no
18:23 < pmprog_laptop> E 2342850435 OpenApoc::Framework::Framework(OpenApoc::UString, std::vector<OpenApoc::UString>, bool): Failed to open "music" from the CD - likely the cd couldn't be loaded or paths are incorrect if using an extracted CD image
18:25 < pmprog_laptop> Why were filenames changed to lowercase when all files on the CD are uppercase?
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18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus the files on the CD aren't uppercase
18:58 < pmprog_laptop> Sure they are
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> depends on what program/driver you happen to use to interpret the iso9660 data :P
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> So I standardised our physfs to always go lowercase
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> so maybe that needs updating?
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18:59 < pmprog_laptop> Oh, so why do I get errors loading the music?
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe it just didn't open the cd?
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I use that as a 'can we open the cd?' test file in the framework constructor
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: any luck?
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I should probably integrate the physfs build into the default cmake system, rather than trying to use the system one
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> as there's no 'system' binary that'll actually work :P
19:22 < pmprog_laptop> how do I test the opening of the cd?
19:23 < pmprog_laptop> the file is there, and if I open it in Ark, there's the MUSIC file in the root
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> probably the log
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> something like "Resource dir "./data/cd.iso" mounted to "/""
19:24 < pmprog_laptop> I 2280377386 OpenApoc::FileSystem::FileSystem(std::vector<OpenApoc::UString>): Registering external archivers...
19:24 < SupSuper> what did you break JonnyH`Work :p
19:24 < pmprog_laptop> I 2324833477 OpenApoc::FileSystem::FileSystem(std::vector<OpenApoc::UString>): Resource dir "./data/cd.iso" mounted to "/"
19:24 < pmprog_laptop> I 2324840913 OpenApoc::FileSystem::FileSystem(std::vector<OpenApoc::UString>): Resource dir "./data/cd.iso" mounted to "/"
19:24 < pmprog_laptop> I 2324854669 OpenApoc::FileSystem::FileSystem(std::vector<OpenApoc::UString>): Resource dir "./data" mounted to "/"
19:24 < pmprog_laptop> I 2324856830 OpenApoc::FileSystem::FileSystem(std::vector<OpenApoc::UString>): Resource dir "./data" mounted to "/"
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> So I guess the physfs it's using isn't updated then :P
19:24 < pmprog_laptop> Just noticed the ccmake says it's using /usr/local
19:25 < pmprog_laptop> for phsyfs
19:25 < pmprog_laptop> so looks like it's reconfigured the path from the one I sert
19:25 < pmprog_laptop> *set
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll probably make it part of the build and just link it statically
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> IT'll be easier...
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> It'll match the windows build closer too
19:26 < pmprog_laptop> Hmmm... this laptop is going mad. The harddisk has not stopped since it was switched on
19:26 < pmprog_laptop> According to iotop, it's a journalling process, but I have no idea why
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> ..huh
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> any block errors in smart? Or dmesg ATA resets?
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I've only seen that on a failing disk before
19:27 < pmprog_laptop> Don't know, how do I tell?
19:27 < pmprog_laptop> It's a newish laptop so I hope it's not knackered
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> gnome-disks will probably tell you
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19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> or whatever kde equivalent is
19:39 < pmprog_laptop> hmm, supposed to be in KDE Partition manager, but can't find any information
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> nothing about 'smart info'?
19:41 < pmprog_laptop> Can't see anything :(
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> bah
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> 'smartctl -H /dev/sda'
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> would also give you the info
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> might need to install it / sudo
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, I've removed linking against the system version of physfs
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> as it probably won't work anyway :P
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll just sanity check the builds then push that (including Istrebitel's merge)
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> LGBM
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> LGTM
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure what 'B' means in that context...
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> right, pmprog_laptop
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> try to pull again and rebuild
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> No longer should it use a system physfs
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19:46 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 51 new commits to master: https://git.io/vPJg6
19:46 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9d8a213 IstrebiteI: lowercase map sector name for consistency, removed unnesecary sectionmap for sectors which now take only several lines
19:46 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f197680 IstrebiteI: BattleUnit progress #1
19:46 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f81c044 IstrebiteI: BattleUnit progress #2, plus some bugs and tweaks...
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19:46 < pmprog_laptop> Okay, it's not going to be tonight now though. I'm off. Thanks, and I'll try and pop back on soon
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19:48 < SupSuper> damn, Istrebitel's work *is* scary
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
19:48 < SupSuper> reminds me of daiky. i guess the battlescape just clicks for some people :p
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> He's making the rest of us look bad
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, *me* look bad...
19:50 < SupSuper> i dunno he seems to be rewriting as much as you
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, but rewriting it usefully :P
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> +250,836 −7,821
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> that's a scary diffstat though...
19:59 < SupSuper> jesus christ there's already units and shit???
19:59 < SupSuper> seriously when's the video
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> You can already make your guys run around too
20:04 < SupSuper> god what *are* we doing with our lives
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> currently? My job
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> when not shitposting in irc :)
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> so... not my job
20:07 < SupSuper> i dunno shitposting probably describes my day job
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20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, when the ufos spawn
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> they seem to slowly collect at {0,0} in the map
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess that's not right
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20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> And you get a crash if you go prone
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> well, it's still in development :P
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21:50 < SupSuper> btw i still can't make it past one day in 32-bit build :p
22:18 <@JonnyH`Work> crash?
22:19 < SupSuper> yup
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I actually have my laptop with msvc here
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll give it a go
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> win32 release got to the ufos appearing fine for me
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> but then I can't go back into turbo
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> as all the UFOs just sit at {0,0,0} instead of going home
22:41 < Istrebitel> huh? what crashes when you go prone?
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> It whines about not finding at tile at y=-1
22:41 < Istrebitel> oh lol
22:41 < Istrebitel> i broke it
22:41 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: Exception thrown: read access violation.
22:41 < SupSuper> this->_Mypair._Myval2._Myhead was 0x13.
22:41 < Istrebitel> it works fine
22:42 < Istrebitel> i just introduced one more check and broke everything :P
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> also debug builds fail with invaid VEHICLE_ prefix
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Vehicle object has invalid prefix - expected "VEHICLE_" ID "Alien Assault Ship 1"
22:45 < Istrebitel> erm
22:45 < Istrebitel> why could that be?
22:45 < Istrebitel> how can prefix differ for debug?
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think it does, but NDEBUG disables the check
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> so it would just silently return null?
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> no... it should crash...
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, no, you've created a vehicle with id "Alien Assault Ship 1"
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> so so in loadBattleVehicle()
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> in mapselector.cpp
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> you should prepend Vehicle::getPrefix() to the ID
22:51 < Istrebitel> er,
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Or we remove the idea of object IDs having prefixes and remove the check...
22:51 < Istrebitel> Yeah I created a vehicle to spawn maps
22:51 < Istrebitel> it only happens when you open the foirm
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> other vehicle ids are of the form ("%s%d", VEhicle::getPrefix(), state->lastVehicle++)
22:52 < Istrebitel> otherwise I can't spawn ufo maps since they require a vehicle
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> so VEHICLE_1, VEHICLE_2 etc.
22:52 < Istrebitel> h,,
22:52 < Istrebitel> hmm
22:52 < Istrebitel> yeah and I broke infiltrations
22:52 < Istrebitel> fixed them now
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> was that why the UFOs all went tp {0,0,0}?
22:53 < Istrebitel> yes
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
22:53 < Istrebitel> I changed it so that when vehicle can't go to target
22:53 < Istrebitel> it goes somewhere near
22:53 < Istrebitel> and when reaches it then tries again
22:53 < Istrebitel> sothis should work for all missions except infiltration
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> 'small' fixes you can just push to pmprog now
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I tend to use my own repo for 'big' things still
22:55 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: well prefixes are usuful to avoid conflicts, but they should definitely be automated...
22:56 < SupSuper> like a Vehicle::nextId() or something
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I think for each 'object' type
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> a function to generate a unique ID would be useful
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> and it can do whatever atomics/GameState access it needs
22:58 < Istrebitel> okay pushed
22:58 < Istrebitel> yes, +1 for "nextID" thing
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> do you want to push pmprog too?
22:58 < Istrebitel> okay I will
22:59 < Istrebitel> I did it, did I do it properly?
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I think you've just merged, not pushed
23:00 < Istrebitel> i did sync
23:00 < Istrebitel> hmm
23:00 < Istrebitel> well what do i do then?
23:00 < Istrebitel> it says merged on my end
23:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I only know how to do it with the cmdline :/
23:01 < Istrebitel> oh
23:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess you could do a merge request then merge it yourself :P
23:01 < Istrebitel> wait it merged into pmprog but into my branch?
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23:02 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #89: small fixes (master...master) https://git.io/vPJhH
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23:02 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vPJh7
23:02 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master bfbe47e IstrebiteI: fix for prone crash and ufo going to 0,0,0
23:02 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 5b4f9bd IstrebiteI: proper infiltration fix
23:02 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 50799f1 IstrebiteI: Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/pmprog/master'
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23:02 < Istrebitel> why when I updated pmprog/master from origin/master
23:03 < Istrebitel> did It push commit into my branch?
23:03 < Istrebitel> I mean what is this https://github.com/Istrebitel/OpenApoc/commit/4aa5c20aa14687d712f6ddbe1c37db87680e3283
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> It seemed to merge from pmprog to your master, then from your master to pmprog, then from pmprog to your master again
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> 3 merges seems a bit excessive...
23:03 < Istrebitel> well
23:03 < Istrebitel> hooray to github client
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> The end result is fine though :)
23:03 < Istrebitel> all I did was commit my fix
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Just the logs look a bit messy
23:03 < Istrebitel> then update from pmprog
23:03 < Istrebitel> so that I'm in a state that's ready to push
23:04 < Istrebitel> then I switch to pmprog
23:04 < Istrebitel> select master (my master)
23:04 < Istrebitel> and click update (just like I do when I update from pmprog to mine)
23:04 < Istrebitel> and this produced a commit into pmprog (in my UI)
23:04 < Istrebitel> but on github, the commit went into my master!
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> clearly the github client likes merges so much
23:04 < Istrebitel> it even says "merge bla bla into pmprog/master"
23:04 < Istrebitel> but pmprog/master was not changed by it?
23:04 < Istrebitel> how is this possible?
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> a merge doesn't have to change files
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> but as a 'commit' includes the log message and commit time etc.
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> it's still a 'different' head
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> even with exactly the same code
23:09 < Istrebitel> so... why did a commit go into my branch
23:09 < Istrebitel> and not into pmprog/master?
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> no idea :P
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> win32 debug ufos just appeared
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> of course windows debug is slow as hell :P
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> and no crashes
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe it's some thread/timing issue still...
23:21 < SupSuper> the most consistent thread/timing issue :p
23:21 <@JonnyH`Work> wait... you're running nvidia right?
23:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll just blame their driver
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> That's my normal position, right? :P
23:22 < SupSuper> lol
23:22 < SupSuper> i thought it was blaming windows
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> well, I've been running windows and it seems fine
23:23 <@JonnyH`Work> all 3 are windows 10 x64 if that's anything
23:24 < SupSuper> same here :p
23:24 <@JonnyH`Work> 2x laptop (one with a intel 3320m w/integrated graphics, one with intel i7 6700hq w/both integrated and amd graphics, tested with both)
23:24 <@JonnyH`Work> and a desktop (i7 2600k w/amd graphics)
23:25 <@JonnyH`Work> all seem fine... :(
23:25 <@JonnyH`Work> So it's always at 'next day' processing?
23:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Or randomly during the day?
23:26 < SupSuper> always when next day starts
23:26 <@JonnyH`Work> how weird
23:27 <@JonnyH`Work> according to valgrind we leak some circular-dependent Battlescape stuff now
23:28 <@JonnyH`Work> but like ~2mb, not enough to OOM even on 32bit right?
23:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm off home, I'll probably be on in a bit
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02:20 <@JonnyH> ... I just think I've figured out what's going on with my config file saving on windows
02:20 <@JonnyH> it was a static destructor, which happened to be called *after* all the local stuff had been destroyed
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06:02 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Away: bah, don't bother too much. I'l eventually sort it out.
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14:29 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: It turns out the machine I thought used gcc 4.9 doesn't...
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19:08 <@JonnyH> hi sup
19:08 <@JonnyH> I'm probably going to merge my option rework today
19:14 < Istrebitel> hi
19:14 < Istrebitel> fixed some more bugs today
19:14 < Istrebitel> how do I make sure I'm not making extra comits when pushing to pmprog/master?
19:15 <@JonnyH> on the cmdline 'git pull pmrpog' shold merge it in
19:15 <@JonnyH> then 'git push pmprog' should push that merged commit to pmprog
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19:17 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vPkne
19:17 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 51c36d8 Jonathan Hamilton: Add a new config system using boost:program_options...
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19:18 < Istrebitel> ok I will try it
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19:43 < SupSuper> JonnyH: does it blend?
19:45 <@JonnyH> ./OpenApoc --Blend.Things=true
19:45 <@JonnyH> unrecognised option '--Blend.Things=true'
19:45 <@JonnyH> :(
19:45 <@JonnyH> Time to file a github issue
19:47 < SupSuper> looks like the vc team is putting together a more unixy library manager: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/09/19/vcpkg-a-tool-to-acquire-and-build-c-open-source-libraries-on-windows/
19:47 <@JonnyH> I saw
19:48 <@JonnyH> there's a glut of cmake-based ones appearing now too
19:48 <@JonnyH> that hook up to github or something and download sources etc.
19:48 < SupSuper> well that's basically how a lot of languages do it :p
19:49 <@JonnyH> Yeah, as having sonames and a package manager seems surprisingly rare :P
19:49 < SupSuper> also more on the future of windows c++: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/09/19/microsoft-at-cppcon-2016/
19:49 <@JonnyH> oh no, boost 1.62 has been releasd!
19:49 <@JonnyH> We're like 0.02 behind now!
19:49 < SupSuper> oh noooooooooo
19:49 < SupSuper> time to update all hundred libraries
19:50 <@JonnyH> ..and they still haven't fixed the undefined behaviour of that format thingie...
19:50 <@JonnyH> https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ticket/11632
19:51 <@JonnyH> I've been carrying a similar patch for my local boost for some time...
19:52 <@JonnyH> anyway.. with that config change hopefully it'll be easier to add new things int he future
20:04 < SupSuper> time to make your own boost fork!
20:04 <@JonnyH> you mean you don't have one?
20:05 < SupSuper> there's only so many hard disks i can spare
20:06 < SupSuper> std::map<OpenApoc::AgentType::HandState,std::map<OpenApoc::AgentType::HandState,std::map<OpenApoc::AgentType::MovementState,std::map<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>,std::less<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState>
20:06 < SupSuper> ,std::allocator<std::pair<const OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>>>>,std::less<OpenApoc::AgentType::MovementState>,std::allocator<std::pair<const OpenApoc::AgentType::MovementState,std::map<OpenApoc::AgentTyp
20:06 < SupSuper> e::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>,std::less<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState>,std::allocator<std::pair<const OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationE
20:06 < SupSuper> ntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>>>>>>>,std::less<OpenApoc::AgentType::HandState>,std::allocator<std::pair<const OpenApoc::AgentType::HandState,std::map<OpenApoc::AgentType::MovementState,std::map<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::
20:06 < SupSuper> less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>,std::less<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState>,std::allocator<std::pair<const OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::Ba
20:06 < SupSuper> ttleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>>>>,std::less<OpenApoc::AgentType::MovementState>,std::allocator<std::pair<const OpenApoc::AgentType::MovementState,std::map<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>,std::les
20:06 < SupSuper> s<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState>,std::allocator<std::pair<const OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>>>>>>>>>>,std::less<OpenApoc::AgentType::HandState>,std::allocator<std::pair<const OpenApoc::AgentType::HandSt
20:06 < SupSuper> ate,std::map<OpenApoc::AgentType::HandState,std::map<OpenApoc::AgentType::MovementState,std::map<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>,std::less<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState>,std::allocator<std::pair<const
20:06 < SupSuper> OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>>>>,std::less<OpenApoc::AgentType::MovementState>,std::allocator<std::pair<const OpenApoc::AgentType::MovementState,std::map<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2
20:07 < SupSuper> <int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>,std::less<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState>,std::allocator<std::pair<const OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0
20:07 < SupSuper> >>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>>>>>>>,std::less<OpenApoc::AgentType::HandState>,std::allocator<std::pair<const OpenApoc::AgentType::HandState,std::map<OpenApoc::AgentType::MovementState,std::map<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::all
20:07 < SupSuper> ocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>,std::less<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState>,std::allocator<std::pair<const OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::Animation
20:07 <@JonnyH> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/JonnyH/openapoc/build/job/32thtoiewf599nbh
20:07 < SupSuper> Entry>>>>>>>,std::less<OpenApoc::AgentType::MovementState>,std::allocator<std::pair<const OpenApoc::AgentType::MovementState,std::map<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>,std::less<OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState
20:07 <@JonnyH> Linking the log is quicker :)
20:07 < SupSuper> >,std::allocator<std::pair<const OpenApoc::AgentType::BodyState,std::map<glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>,std::less<glm::tvec2<int,0>>,std::allocator<std::pair<const glm::tvec2<int,0>,std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::BattleUnitAnimationPack::AnimationEntry>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
20:07 < SupSuper> whoops
20:07 < SupSuper> we really gotta clean up that type at some point :p
20:07 < SupSuper> yeah if you like crashing the browser instead
20:09 <@JonnyH> it's not as bad as travis
20:09 <@JonnyH> that tries to do all kinda of javascript collapse/syntax highlighting
20:09 <@JonnyH> which kills the browser...
20:09 <@JonnyH> the log.txt is 3.3mb...
20:10 < SupSuper> hmmm openapoc no longer runs on windows. missing arguments?
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20:10 <@JonnyH> ...do you have args in your user file?
20:11 < SupSuper> dunno i never touched it. do i need to reset it?
20:11 <@JonnyH> ooh, --skip-intro has been added...
20:11 <@JonnyH> I'll wipe that :)
20:12 < SupSuper> like it just prints the list of possible options
20:12 < SupSuper> huh. did that ever work? i always saw the intro :p
20:13 <@JonnyH> I think it got pulled in one of Istrebitel's merges?
20:13 <@JonnyH> IF you want it, --Data.SkipIntro=true
20:13 < Istrebitel> oh
20:13 < Istrebitel> I thought everybody would like to skip intro
20:13 < Istrebitel> so I introduced an option
20:14 < Istrebitel> and added it in debug paramteres
20:14 < Istrebitel> I thought that would be more useful by default than having the intro?
20:14 <@JonnyH> sure, just didn't know it existed :)
20:14 <@JonnyH> I normally build with msbuild directly and run from the cmdline
20:15 < Istrebitel> erm is there a reason we adjust view coordinate in render
20:15 < Istrebitel> not update?
20:15 <@JonnyH> errmm.. no specific reason I can think of?
20:15 < Istrebitel> this maeks it so that if modal dialog is open when directional button is clicked, it remains stuck
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20:17 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vPk0R
20:17 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e81c7cc Jonathan Hamilton: Fix running openapoc from msvc...
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20:45 < SupSuper> is the default resolution smaller?
20:46 <@JonnyH> errm... Yeah, I set it to 720p
20:46 <@JonnyH> I initialy used 1600x900 as that happened to be my laptop resolution at the time
20:46 < SupSuper> the horror
20:46 < SupSuper> i should probably just crank it up to 1080p but then i'd get border issues
20:46 <@JonnyH> but then I was stuck using a 1280x800 screen for a while and it kept falling off the end
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20:47 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SupSuper pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vPk2G
20:47 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0e3a2da SupSuper: Missing darken on base building
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21:33 <@JonnyH> Heh, I often lurk on a number of gpu/graphics related forums and the like
21:33 <@JonnyH> occasionally leaving the odd anonymous comment and stuff
21:34 <@JonnyH> and it really delivered - a lovely long foaming-at-the-mouth rant about how wrong I am about something and 'correcting' me
21:34 <@JonnyH> about something I wrote the code for :D
22:06 < SupSuper> hey a friend of mine is running a jam for making games targeting an old 70s computer, if any of you have any nerdy friends / work colleagues i'd appreciate spreading the word: http://www.awfuljams.com/
22:13 <@JonnyH> heh, chip8 :)
22:13 <@JonnyH> Might have some luck in #openpandora or something
22:14 < SupSuper> yeah he basically wrote a little chip8 emulator that grew into its own assembly language and browser-based ide
22:15 < SupSuper> so it's basically user-friendly web-based chip8 :p
22:15 < SupSuper> i made this one year because i am wholly unoriginal: http://www.awfuljams.com/octojam-i/games/rockto
22:27 <@JonnyH> :( Doesn't hold focus in firefox
22:27 <@JonnyH> So I end up trying to search the page for 'wwwwwsswsasd'
22:29 < SupSuper> :( i'll report it
22:30 < SupSuper> i assume you clicked the screen and stuff
22:31 <@JonnyH> yup, I need to re-click it every keypress to actually do anything
22:34 <@JonnyH> It might be some funny BreakEverything=true thing the IT guys set as a default for the domain policy here though
22:34 <@JonnyH> They've done similar things before...
22:39 < SupSuper> lol
23:24 <@JonnyH> Whelp, apparently there's no point turning up to work tomorrow
23:24 <@JonnyH> They're taking the datacentre down that I pretty muich rely on (source control, build machines, all bug reporting etc.) at end of day friday for the weekend
23:24 <@JonnyH> ..end of day UK time :)
23:25 <@JonnyH> I might try to get more of the agent equipment screen done
23:25 <@JonnyH> or even *gasp* record a video
23:26 <@JonnyH> anyway, I'm off, have a good evening
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07:16 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #90: Pathfinding fixes, throwing and falling improvements, other bugs (master...master) https://git.io/vPIsu
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07:16 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 6 new commits to master: https://git.io/vPIsg
07:16 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ec2745c IstrebiteI: city: better infiltration logic, better infiltration position...
07:16 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c773e6c IstrebiteI: proper prone checking, minor bug fix in unit presense code
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09:11 < kkmic> ./OpenApoc: error while loading shared libraries: libtinyxml2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
09:11 < kkmic> Hmm..
09:13 < kkmic> Is present in /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
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14:40 <@JonnyH> kkmic: As that's in /usr/local I guess that's not the system version of tinyxml2?
14:41 <@JonnyH> and so /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu might not be in ld.so.conf?
14:46 < kkmic> Not sure, I'll check
14:46 < kkmic> On moday :)
14:49 <@JonnyH> IIRC we can use pretty much any version of tinyxml2
14:49 <@JonnyH> so you don't need a custom one
14:49 <@JonnyH> so the package manager one should probably work
15:44 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
15:44 < Istrebitel> after last merge options stopped working
15:44 < Istrebitel> I have to add them to command string, it won't accept values from the cfg file
15:45 <@JonnyH> I changed the config file to settings.conf?
15:47 < Istrebitel> ah
15:47 < Istrebitel> so I have to rename it?
15:48 <@JonnyH> Some of the options changed name too
15:48 <@JonnyH> e.g. if you wanted to change the cd directory
15:48 <@JonnyH> it's now Framework.CD=c:\path\to\cd.iso
15:48 <@JonnyH> if you run 'openapoc.exe --help' it'll list the options
15:49 <@JonnyH> and each tool will use a different config directory depending on it's name too
15:50 <@JonnyH> e.g. 'extractor.exe' will be in %USER%/appdata/roaming/openapoc/extractor/settings.conf
15:51 < Istrebitel> oh finally
15:51 < Istrebitel> nice
15:51 < Istrebitel> okay, more pressing question
15:51 < Istrebitel> I did profiling today
15:51 < Istrebitel> and mksp'ing Palettes takes up 1/3rd of rendering
15:52 <@JonnyH> ...really?
15:52 <@JonnyH> in the city?
15:52 < Istrebitel> yeah but here's the problem
15:52 < Istrebitel> Howveer, if I assign values to pallete that's not mksp, it won't apply
15:52 < Istrebitel> so I can change existing pallette but nothing happens
15:52 < Istrebitel> I tried swapping two palettes - nothing happens either!
15:52 <@JonnyH> Yeah, once they've been passed to the renderer
15:52 <@JonnyH> there is a copy updated in the CPU
15:52 <@JonnyH> if you want it to update you need to clear the renderer private data too
15:53 < Istrebitel> okay can I do that?
15:53 <@JonnyH> It's probably more expensive than just mksp<> a new one though...
15:53 < Istrebitel> ?
15:53 < Istrebitel> why so?
15:53 < Istrebitel> can we just tell the renderer to re-check the palette?
15:53 <@JonnyH> Really, creating a new palette shouldn't be too expensive, malloc(256*4)?
15:53 < Istrebitel> it's smart pointers
15:54 <@JonnyH> ...really?
15:54 < Istrebitel> well I read smart pointers are slow
15:54 <@JonnyH> 'slow' in relative terms I guess :)
15:54 < Istrebitel> people complain about them a lot
15:54 < Istrebitel> well, I guess slower than normal pointers
15:54 < Istrebitel> anyway
15:54 < Istrebitel> I tried cycling through 10 palettes - only some frames worked... I tried 100 - most frames worked but not all...
15:54 < Istrebitel> why?
15:54 < Istrebitel> why won't it update if I feed it new palette every frame and only start feeding palette it saw once after 100 frames?
15:55 < Istrebitel> like I mksp'ed 100 paletters into vector, every frame i pick netx palette and assign it to renderer, still it won't update pallete for some frames (like 1 in a second)
15:55 <@JonnyH> weird...
15:56 <@JonnyH> Like it was still using the old palette for new draws?
15:56 < Istrebitel> well looks like that
15:56 < Istrebitel> what it did was instead of mksp I just assign an existing palette
15:56 <@JonnyH> setPalette(pal1); draw(image1); setPalette(pal2); draw(image2);
15:56 < Istrebitel> then as usual I assign all colors
15:56 <@JonnyH> so image2 is drawn with palette1?
15:56 < Istrebitel> well not that simple
15:56 < Istrebitel> like your city code
15:57 < Istrebitel> I generate a palette every render
15:57 < Istrebitel> and fill every color
15:57 < Istrebitel> so instead of having auto newPal = mksp<>
15:57 < Istrebitel> I do auto newPal = paletteVector[paletteIndex++] now
15:58 <@JonnyH> any chance you can push this debug code to a temporary branch or something so I can see it?
15:58 < Istrebitel> erm
15:58 < Istrebitel> how do i save changes?
15:59 < Istrebitel> when I have uncommited stuff?
15:59 <@JonnyH> What I would do is:
15:59 <@JonnyH> create a new branch (called TEMPORARY/work_in_progress or something)
15:59 <@JonnyH> Add the stuff as a new commit on that
15:59 <@JonnyH> and push to github
15:59 <@JonnyH> then you can delete the branch from github afterwards to keep things clean
16:00 < Istrebitel> but I have uncommited changes
16:00 < Istrebitel> I don't want to lose them
16:00 < Istrebitel> but I'm not ready to commit them
16:00 <@JonnyH> Oh, I often 'rewrite' commits
16:00 <@JonnyH> you can modify commits at will if you haven't pushed to github
16:03 < Istrebitel> oh
16:03 < Istrebitel> git stash
16:03 < Istrebitel> that's it
16:04 <@JonnyH> Sure, commit the parts you want to share
16:04 < Istrebitel> will push now once I confirm it works
16:04 <@JonnyH> and you can put the rest in a stash
16:04 < Istrebitel> yeah and btw, forgot to tell you yesterday, would be very nice if you'd do inventory for agents
16:05 < Istrebitel> since I think I'll do at least shooting soon, and will be able to test that better with working inv
16:06 <@JonnyH> yeah, that's my next thing
16:06 <@JonnyH> the eqipscreen (and the actual inventory itself)
16:08 < Istrebitel> but we have to figure out how to deal with ammunition
16:09 < Istrebitel> last clip can be not completely full
16:09 < Istrebitel> when storing at base
16:09 <@JonnyH> stuff like 'dropped' equipment doesn't lose all state
16:09 <@JonnyH> which is slightly different to the city (which instantly unloads all equipment etc.)
16:09 < Istrebitel> yep
16:09 <@JonnyH> by 'city' i mean vehicles :)
16:10 < Istrebitel> agents in city keep loaded state of their equipment
16:10 <@JonnyH> plus stuff like armed grenades keep their timer
16:10 < Istrebitel> but when removing from inventory to base inventory then it can happen
16:12 <@JonnyH> Well, I can assure you that the creation and interpolation of the palette in CityView::update() isn't an issue on linux
16:12 <@JonnyH> 	
16:12 <@JonnyH> 0.006 ms
16:13 < Istrebitel> well IDk, when i profiled, it shoed that mksp<Pallette> was 11000 out of 30000 or something
16:15 < Istrebitel> https://github.com/Istrebitel/OpenApoc/tree/temp_palette_demo
16:17 < Istrebitel> anyways
16:17 < Istrebitel> I'm more interested in why it happens the way it does
16:17 < Istrebitel> why does it bork when I supply new pallete every render call, even if that pallete is sometimes reused
16:17 < Istrebitel> i mnean, even with 10 size, before it gets reused, 9 frames were drawn already!
16:18 < Istrebitel> does renderer "remember" pallettes it was supplied and tries to optimize?
16:21 < Istrebitel> I have an Idea, I will pre-make all palletes and supply them from vector but unchanged (once all colors will be set and then I'll just cycle palletes) and see if that borks or not
16:22 < Istrebitel> surprise, it doesn't
16:22 < Istrebitel> Okay I think it's settled then
16:22 < Istrebitel> rendered probably stores private data about palletes it was supplied
16:23 < Istrebitel> and if you re-supply a pallete in several frames it re-uses that data
16:24 <@JonnyH> yeah, once you pass a palette to the renderer you can no longer change it
16:25 <@JonnyH> so what should that palette test branch show?
16:26 < Istrebitel> nvm, it works now
16:26 < Istrebitel> I just make a vector of 16 palettes and feed current one
16:40 <@JonnyH> yeah, that's probably easier if you loop through palettes
17:04 < Istrebitel> oh and btw
17:05 < Istrebitel> when I try to pull from pmprog it says pmprog is not default so I must specify branch
17:05 <@JonnyH> oh you probabmy want 'pull pmprog master'
17:05 < Istrebitel> when i specify branch it says i either have no access or repo does not exist, and says that pmprog/master isnot a valid name
17:05 < Istrebitel> although I can update from it
17:05 < Istrebitel> through git ui
17:05 <@JonnyH> or 'git fetch pmprog'
17:05 <@JonnyH> then 'git merge pmprog/master'
17:05 <@JonnyH> does the same thing
17:06 <@JonnyH> and more console commands always look more impressive who don't know how to use computers ;)
17:07 < Istrebitel> ah
17:07 < Istrebitel> so I have to say pmprog master
17:07 < Istrebitel> not pmprog/master?
17:07 <@JonnyH> yeah, git pull takes 'remote branch'
17:08 <@JonnyH> I think it automatically tries the same named branch as your current one if none is specified
17:08 <@JonnyH> but if you want to merge 'master' you can always say it
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18:18 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: Looks like now you get nullpointer c.obj in Projectile::checkProjectileCollision
18:19 <@JonnyH> when the UFOs appear in the city at midnight and shart shooting stuff...
18:19 <@JonnyH> I don't remember it being an issue before, so might have been a recent change from you?
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18:21 <@JonnyH> and I'm currently looking at pulling out the GameObject 'id' generation
18:21 <@JonnyH> 'caus it's a slow day at work :)
18:22 <@JonnyH> What I mean by 'slow' is they've taken down the datacentre for the weekend
18:22 <@JonnyH> which means I pretty much can't do anything...
18:58 < SupSuper> maybe you can fix that std::map nest :p
19:00 <@JonnyH> On linux that's only ~400 char symbol name
19:00 <@JonnyH> Totally normal! :P
19:01 <@JonnyH> oh, that expands to 14401 chars pretty-printed
19:03 <@JonnyH> I remember days when symbols had limits of ~32 chars on some toolchains
19:03 <@JonnyH> and wondering 'when ever would you need more than that??'
19:07 <@JonnyH> Meh, I literally can't do anything useful at work
19:07 <@JonnyH> I'm going to go home...
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19:22 < Istrebitel> oh...
19:22 < Istrebitel> yes that's me
19:23 < Istrebitel> forgot brackets in projectile.cpp:76
19:25 < Istrebitel> I seem to have gotten sloppier over last two days
19:25 < Istrebitel> too many bugs :(((
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19:27 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #91: small fixes and change to battleunitmission logic (master...master) https://git.io/vPLDj
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19:27 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vPLyv
19:27 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f30bade IstrebiteI: temp fix to config files not working, small fix to path preview and giving way...
19:27 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0690e1b IstrebiteI: change to battleunitmission logic, small fixes and battle render performance improvements...
19:27 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7deb6de IstrebiteI: fix projectile bug
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07:41 < emrec> Hi guys, I'm trying to compile under OS X, getting some weird error here
07:41 < emrec> 1 min
07:45 < emrec> http://pastebin.com/pTtV9Jyj
07:45 < emrec> Hmm OS X is not supported?
07:49 < emrec> This is the contents of CMakeError.log
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16:27 < Istrebitel> hmm, anyone can tell me why I can't assign sp<TileObjectSomething> to a var of type sp<TileObject>?
16:27 < Istrebitel> I googled and it says sp<Base> should accept assignment of sp<Derived>?
16:31 < SupSuper> works fine here. what exactly is the error
16:33 < Istrebitel> sp<TileObject> to = item->ownerAgent->unit->tileObject;
16:33 < Istrebitel> Severity	Code	Description	Project	File	Line	Suppression State
16:33 < Istrebitel> Error (active)		no suitable user-defined conversion from "OpenApoc::sp<OpenApoc::TileObjectBattleUnit>" to "OpenApoc::sp<OpenApoc::TileObject>" exists	gamestate	e:\Projects\GitHub\OpenApoc\game\state\battle\battleitem.cpp	81	
16:33 < Istrebitel> tileObject is of type sp<TileOjectBattleUnit>
16:33 < Istrebitel> and
16:33 < Istrebitel> Severity	Code	Description	Project	File	Line	Suppression State
16:33 < Istrebitel> Error	C2440	'initializing': cannot convert from 'std::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::TileObjectBattleUnit>' to 'std::shared_ptr<_Ty>'	gamestate	E:\Projects\GitHub\OpenApoc\game\state\battle\battleitem.cpp	82	
16:39 < SupSuper> oh it's because TileObject is an interface, it has no public constructor
16:40 < Istrebitel> erm
16:41 < Istrebitel> so how do I store a reference to something that can be differfent tile objects?
16:41 < Istrebitel> and pass it?
16:41 < Istrebitel> Tile has list of intersecting TileObjects
16:41 < Istrebitel> i want to pass an argument
16:41 < Istrebitel> that will be compared with that
16:41 < Istrebitel> like, item does not collide with it's thrower or projectile with it's firer
16:41 < Istrebitel> so I need to pass a sp<TileObject> into function
16:42 < Istrebitel> but what I will pass will be of type sp<TileObjectSomething>
16:42 < Istrebitel> how do I do that then?
16:48 < SupSuper> hmmm how do you actually make TileObjectBattleUnit objects, it doesn't have a public constructor either
16:50 < Istrebitel> erm?
16:51 < Istrebitel> friend class does em
16:51 < Istrebitel> TileMap
16:51 < SupSuper> oh ok
16:51 < SupSuper> hmm
16:52 < SupSuper> where's JonnyH`Away when you need him :p
16:52 < Istrebitel> can you just pass pointer?
16:52 < Istrebitel> can you convert sp to *?
16:52 < SupSuper> oh are you missing an include? i included the header for TileObjectBattleUnit and now it works
16:53 < Istrebitel> oh geez, why do people never program proper error messages? it's like, never is the error corresponding to the message
16:53 < SupSuper> it's c++ :p
16:53 < SupSuper> i hear clang has better error messages but haven't tried it
16:55 < Istrebitel> anyway, thanks!
17:36 < TheSnide> yeah, C++ is quite notorious for obscure errors
19:04 < Istrebitel> does someone know how our collision algorithm works in depth?
19:05 < Istrebitel> I found a bug
19:05 < Istrebitel> it seems that you can have collision from P1 to P2
19:05 < Istrebitel> but not from P2 to P1
19:05 < Istrebitel> so it's only one way for some reason
19:05 < Istrebitel> what happens is item collides with scenery, I roll it back to previous position and flip vector, and it collides on next step, even though it hasn't before
19:06 < Istrebitel> basically,  P1->P2 has no collision, P2->P3 has collision, and I rollback, and P2->P1 has collision (with same thing P2->P3 did)
19:06 < Istrebitel> Is there some form of exclusion of last point going on?
19:48 < Istrebitel> oh i see
19:48 < Istrebitel> end is bugged
19:48 < Istrebitel> end is last point +1,1,1
19:48 < Istrebitel> regardless of where the line is pointing at
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19:46 < pmprog_laptop> Hi all
19:46 < pmprog_laptop> JonnyH: Have you seen the msg on facebook?
19:51 <@JonnyH> I'll have  alook
19:52 <@JonnyH> Oh, yeah, I'm pretty anti-donation
19:52 <@JonnyH> As want it to be a 'fun' project
19:54 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, it doesn't sit well with me. Glad we're on the same page
19:54 <@JonnyH> the limiting factor for me is time/effort
19:54 <@JonnyH> not cash :)
19:54 <@JonnyH> Unless its so much I can quit my job, which I doubt ;)
19:54 < pmprog_laptop> Yep, the game is cheap, and the devtools are free :)
19:55 <@JonnyH> and that's not even going into legal issues...
19:55 <@JonnyH> Maybe setup a paypal that just gets forwarded to oxfam or something...
19:56 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, the only thing I think we could use it for is domain/hosting, but I'm happy to cover the openapoc.pmprog.co.uk personally
19:57 <@JonnyH> If you weren't I would
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> I still haven't gotten around to building the latest version. Been so busy
19:59 <@JonnyH> heh
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19:59 <@JonnyH> I made physfs built statically
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19:59 <@JonnyH> so hopefully that would solve one of your issues...
19:59 < pmprog_laptop> cool. Look forward to trying it out
20:00 < pmprog_laptop> Best go. Tired and feel a bit sick
20:00 < pmprog_laptop> Catch you next time
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21:35 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: donations? patreon is the hot new thing :p
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22:29 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #93: Projectile improvements and firing weapons in battlescape! (master...master) https://git.io/vPmtP
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22:32 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vPmtd
22:32 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 1ffe96b IstrebiteI: early version of firing implementation for units...
22:32 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7ce3487 IstrebiteI: projectile improvements...
22:32 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 90559ef IstrebiteI: will I ever stop forgetting clang format?...
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16:41 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 839f8a8 Jonathan Hamilton: Build fix...
16:41 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0c46a40 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix leak due to circular sp<Battle> dependencies
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16:52 < Istrebitel> erm
16:52 < Istrebitel> why is there leak?
16:52 < Istrebitel> if we clear the pointers?
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> You only clear the sp<Battle> pointers in ~Battle()
16:52 < Istrebitel> yes?
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> which will never actually be called, as by definition they hold a reference to the sp<Battle>
16:52 < Istrebitel> that's not enough?
16:53 < Istrebitel> erm
16:53 < Istrebitel> so is there a way other than wp?
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> ~Battle() will only be called after the last sp<Battle> is destryoed
16:53 < Istrebitel> will memory be freed when application exits?
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe a 'cleanup' funciton that clears the sp<Battles> that's called before ~BAttle()?
16:53 <@JonnyH`Work> no, the memory won't be free'd then either
16:53 < Istrebitel> yes, I can do that in exitbattle
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> circular sp<> references will never be free'd without manually 'breaking' the circle
16:54 < Istrebitel> I have changed those wp to sp
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks like there's something similar between Agents
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> what's wrong with wp> there?
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> From waht I can see they shouldn't be called that often?
16:54 < Istrebitel> becaue profiler told me lock() is hot path
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> in getDoor?
16:55 < Istrebitel> yes
16:55 < Istrebitel> and in drawing map parts
16:55 < Istrebitel> (or something)
16:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I didn't think those specific sp<Battle> were used in the draw...
16:55 <@JonnyH`Work> and in my profiles the wp<> seems to be fast enough to not even show up :P
16:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Might be a difference in implementation between MSVC and gcc
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Feel free to change them back to sp<>
16:56 < Istrebitel> well I told ya there were complaints about sp's being slow
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> and remove then in the exitbattle or whatever
16:56 < Istrebitel> maybe that's msvc thing
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe?
16:56 < Istrebitel> well thing is
16:56 < Istrebitel> will exitbattle be called if we just close window?
16:56 < Istrebitel> actually, what about just pointers?
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> The Stage destructor will be called
16:57 < Istrebitel> can we store just pointers to battle?
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> so you could exitBattle there too?
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> If it's never valid to have an invalid Battle
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> but in my testing as ~Battle() removed the tileobjects
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> that called Tile::updateBattlescapePArameters()
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> which calls getDoor)
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> which will then call the Battle pointer for the halfway-destroyed object
16:59 < Istrebitel> hmm
16:59 < Istrebitel> I feel there's a better way to do this
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> probably...
17:00 < Istrebitel> make battle a stateref?
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> You'll still need to remove any circular references
17:01 < Istrebitel> well stateref is, it seems, a way to make circular references... without circular references?
17:01 < Istrebitel> btw when is that cleaned up?
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> they only 'become' circulay at first resolve
17:01 < Istrebitel> ah
17:01 < Istrebitel> so they do
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can create circular references
17:01 < Istrebitel> ok
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> but you still need to manually break them when destroying stuff
17:01 < Istrebitel> ok
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I should probably add a StateObject<T>::destroy() hook or something
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> so there's a standard place to put the logic for stuch things
17:02 < Istrebitel> well our task is that we have objects that have to access other objects and everything's interlinked
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> so having a standardised 'unlink' makes sense
17:03 < Istrebitel> or maybe just remove all those references and somehow work around them?
17:03 < Istrebitel> like, door won't need battle if I'll assign a sample to it directly
17:04 < Istrebitel> battlemappart won't need battle if we find a way to save references to doors into xml
17:04 < Istrebitel> because I'm using doorID since I can save that but I can't save an SP
17:04 < Istrebitel> sp<>
17:05 < Istrebitel> is this more appropriate btw? Assigning objects directly to those that use them, like, instead of door having access to common sounds class, have it have it's own sp<Sample>
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, each having it's own sp<> makes sense IMHO
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> there's no benefit to a 'common' shared sound object
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> as the sp<Sample> is already 'shared'
17:06 < Istrebitel> well it's required to know where to take those sounds from
17:06 < Istrebitel> but ok
17:06 < Istrebitel> I'll redo it that way
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> getting the extractor to put it in the tile itself would probably be ok?
17:06 < Istrebitel> one thing tha remains is how to save sp<>'s to xml
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> That's what StateRefs<> do :)
17:07 < Istrebitel> well
17:07 < Istrebitel> so anythign that needs to be serialised
17:07 < Istrebitel> should be StateObject?
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> if you try to serialize an sp<>
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> it'll create a new object for each one
17:07 < Istrebitel> yes yes I know
17:07 < Istrebitel> that's the problem
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, not good
17:07 < Istrebitel> so, if I ever need to serialise a reference to another object, I should make it stateref?
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
17:07 < Istrebitel> I tried to work around it
17:07 < Istrebitel> like, initialise stuff
17:08 <@JonnyH`Work> if they links are derived from other state then it makes sense to keep it in an 'init' step
17:08 < Istrebitel> erm
17:08 < Istrebitel> dreived from other state/
17:08 < Istrebitel> ?
17:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean like the TileObject sp<> itself is defined by the 'real' objects state and location
17:09 <@JonnyH`Work> so you don't save the TileObject or TileMap itself
17:09 < Istrebitel> well yes it won't even exist anyway
17:09 <@JonnyH`Work> you just rebuild them from the parent object's state
17:11 < Istrebitel> oh yeah and we never assign nullptrs to refs?
17:11 < Istrebitel> we .clear() them?
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> gcc doesn't like it
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> as it can't decide if you wanted to convert the nullptr to an sp<T> and use that operator=
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> or the nullptr to a UStrig and use that operator=
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> even though both end up doing pretty much the same thing, gcc doesn't know that
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm somewhat surprised msvc allows it...
17:14 < Istrebitel> yep
17:14 < Istrebitel> for some reason it does
17:14 < Istrebitel> even though it should not
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be based on includes too
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> like if it doesn't know it can convert a pointer to a const char* and then that to a string it might not try that
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> but still it's not really something we can rely on, clearly :P
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> you might want to look at some travis warnings too
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> stuff like this:
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> https://travis-ci.org/JonnyH/OpenApoc/jobs/164679818#L1353
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> looks suspicious
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> game/state/aequipment.cpp:60:3: warning: suggest braces around empty body in an ‘if’ statement 
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess you didn't mean the 
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> ';'?
17:18 < Istrebitel> lol typo
17:18 < Istrebitel> thanks!
17:18 < Istrebitel> yeah I wll after I finish doing current batch of work
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> If you could fix the unused parameter warnings too
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> possibly by removing the name from the function argument
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. function (int unused_argument)
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> becomes function (int /* unused_argument */)
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I find that warning often helpful in case I accidently used a local variable with thes ame name, or typo'd to a similar name
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> but the signed/unsigned warnings are kinda unnecessary, I might remove that from the warning list
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> and things like switch() statements not having all possible values is often useful too
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> even if you 'solve' it with a default: LogError("Unexpected value")
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> it'll stop a silent fall-through if you didn't handle something
17:41 < Istrebitel> okay here's something non-trivial
17:41 < Istrebitel> battlemap knows what to spawn when objects fall or when ground on level 0 is destroyed
17:42 < Istrebitel> so should I assign this information to every battlemappart, so that battlemappart does not have to know battle?
17:42 < Istrebitel> (which knows battlemap)
17:42 < Istrebitel> or should I assign battlemap to battlemappart, so battlemappart knows battlemap, which does not link to battlemappart in return (no circ ref)?
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Possibly at init assign a 'destroyedTile' to all parts at z=0 or something?
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't like BattleMapParts going 'back' to the BattleMap
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> but if it ends up being needed and unavoidable we may not have a choice...
17:44 < Istrebitel> well then we have to assign to every battle map part a list of rubble it becomes when falling
17:44 < Istrebitel> is that proper?
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> perhaps..
17:45 < Istrebitel> well, what's considered better practice here?
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I like the idea each battlemap tile description is self-contained
17:48 < Istrebitel> btw can you assign vectors
17:48 < Istrebitel> will it properly copy everything?
17:48 < Istrebitel> std::vector<StateRef<something>>
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
17:49 < Istrebitel> and it won't validate staterefs?
17:49 < Istrebitel> so it won't fail if there's no such thing yet?
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> It doesn't validate them until you try to dereference them
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> which doesn't happen until all serialization is finished
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can safely use a StateRef<> before the object it's pointed to is loaded
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> so long at the object _will_ eventually be loaded
17:55 < Istrebitel> btw, I've done sounds and doodads and proper speed for city projectiles
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> cool :D
17:55 < Istrebitel> ufos now kick ass (although one got crashed eventually by meeting several hawks)
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> did we solve them using the wrong projectile?
17:56 < Istrebitel> and there's PEW PEW eveywhere
17:56 < Istrebitel> erm they were not
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> as they clearly weren't the proper pink beams
17:56 < Istrebitel> there was bug in projectiles draw code
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> oh :)
17:56 < Istrebitel> it exited when encountering empty sprite
17:56 < Istrebitel> instead of continuing
17:56 < Istrebitel> because it did "continue" and never did "it++"
17:56 < Istrebitel> so it stayed on empty sprite till end
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, so if there was a 'gap' it would just stop :P
17:57 < Istrebitel> there's also a thing of projectiles longer than their sprite list
17:57 < Istrebitel> both missiles and beams do it
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure how to handle that?
17:57 < Istrebitel> but for missiles you can't just repat the sprites again
17:57 < Istrebitel> for beams i just go to begin()
17:57 < Istrebitel> it works
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> how does the original deal witn that?
17:57 < Istrebitel> for missiles I exit, for now
17:57 < Istrebitel> dunno
17:57 < Istrebitel> it seems original also exited
17:57 < Istrebitel> because missiles all look small
17:58 < Istrebitel> and beams were bigger for heavy disruptors (which have 35 tail and 25 projectiles sprites)
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> seems weird to have a list of sprites that isn't used though...
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug*
17:58 < Istrebitel> which?
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean the indices after 'projectile length'
17:59 < Istrebitel> in game files?
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah
18:01 < Istrebitel> erm
18:01 < Istrebitel> which sprites are you talking about?
18:01 < Istrebitel> you mean, projectiles have more sprites than tail size?
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I thought you said there were "projectiles longer than their sprite list"
18:02 < Istrebitel> I meant the opposite
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Did you mean there were more sprites than "projectile length"
18:02 < Istrebitel> tail size bigger than list of sprites
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> or more "projectile length" than sprites?
18:02 < Istrebitel> tail 35, but only 25 projectile sprites for beams
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> aah :)
18:02 < Istrebitel> for heavy disruptor
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> are the last 10 in that just index '0' (or whatever 'empty sprite' is?)
18:03 < Istrebitel> erm no
18:03 < Istrebitel> there are just 25 sprites in that projectile
18:03 < Istrebitel> but weapon has tail length of 35
18:03 < TheSnide> 25 sprites ? wow
18:03 < Istrebitel> its a same projectiles
18:03 < Istrebitel> projectile*
18:03 < Istrebitel> for all three disruptors
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> TheSnide: The projectile sprites are made up of a lot of little 3x3 sprites
18:03 < Istrebitel> yes
18:03 < TheSnide> oh
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> just like the previous xcoms :)
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> It's kinda clever, as it's allowing you to change the direction while still giving the projectile some structure
18:04 < TheSnide> voxel like ?
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> not really, I think it's done in screen space
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I believe projectiles are just treated as a single 'point' right at the front
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> the tail is just a visual effect
18:05 < TheSnide> oh
18:05 < Istrebitel> yes it is
18:05 < Istrebitel> you can teleport into tail and it won't collide
18:05 < Istrebitel> it's just a clever way to draw homing missiles really
18:06 < Istrebitel> I coded it properly, you just spawn points and draw sprites on their location, popping back if there's more points than tail length
18:06 < Istrebitel> and you get a neat missile that looks 3-d but actually is just a series of 3x3 sprites
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18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> hey sup
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: WRT the donations
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> someone brought it up in a facebook message
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> and both pmprog and I are somewhat against donations
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll post the message and my response somewhere...
18:23 < SupSuper> link them my way ;p
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> errm...
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/facebook-message-donations.png
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure I can forward facebook message chains?
18:24 < SupSuper> i mean the donations :p
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: If you have any comments too feel free :)
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Aah :P
18:25 < SupSuper> yeah everyone in openxcom is employed at this point as well, but we appreciate the gesture
18:25 < SupSuper> you're not gonna be quitting your job over it either way :P
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> nope :)
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> I personally think it'd be easier to say 'no donations at all' 
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> or perhaps foward to a charity website or something
18:26 < SupSuper> yeah just make a clear statement and leave some other way to leave a courtesy beer or thank you or something
18:27 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: i usually ask for time.
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> If there's some charity website or something that posts 'I donated $ on behalf of 'OpenApoc''
18:27 < SupSuper> you can always just funnel it all into hosting and builders and other paid services
18:28 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: if they really want to donate something, let them sponsor some code :)
18:28 < SupSuper> our case can get kinda weird because our donations are separate from NineX's donations since he doesn't just host us
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> TheSnide: But I don't want the money
18:28 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: i didn't say they sponsor *your* code
18:28 < TheSnide> :)
18:29 < SupSuper> yeah there's some "sponsor features / fixes" stuff for oss but i never looked into them
18:29 < TheSnide> but to be fair, it doesn't fit the bill here.
18:29 < TheSnide> as those are more aimed at corporate-style donations
18:30 < TheSnide> ie : with several 0 in them :)
18:30 < SupSuper> ah
18:30 < TheSnide> SupSuper: then you got some pool.
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> there are some 'tip jar' style oss things too
18:30 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: yeah, like this.
18:30 < SupSuper> well i dunno. either just say no or spend them all on services/ads/charities/etc
18:31 < SupSuper> like i said, traditional "donations" have kinda fallen out of style :p everyone's either on patreon or some such
18:31 < TheSnide> SupSuper: i'm always asking small donator to donate to OSS that makes $projec possible.
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, the monthly/'milestone' tip seems to have taken over from single 'larger' donations
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> but still, I personally think *any* donations would be a poor idea
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> With possible expectations of 'buy me a beer next time I'm in $YOUR_CITY' :P
18:32 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: that's why i end up asking "if you really like this project, send me a postcard :)"
18:32 < Istrebitel> Well, I think if people want to donate money why not?
18:32 < Istrebitel> There's ofcourse a problem of how to split it?
18:32 < Istrebitel> Many people work/worked on the project
18:32 < TheSnide> Istrebitel: money has so many issues attached to it.
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: I mentioned in my facebook comment, I don't want to get paid for this
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> as I find getting paid makes it less 'fun' and more 'work' :P
18:33 < TheSnide> Istrebitel: it has the tendecy to *taint* everything it touches
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> plus a moral gray area of 'getting paid for remaking someone else's work'
18:33 < SupSuper> i don't think it has affected us, but it's basically a morals thing so i'm not gonna debate
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> It's like lending money to a family member or something, it can suddenly change the dynamics of a group
18:34 < TheSnide> a accepting a donation makes you feel more receptive to 3rd party advice.
18:34 < SupSuper> like, when openxcom started nobody was employed so that was an easy decision :P
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I've seen people confuse 'donations' with 'paid support' in other projects
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> If I was a starving student or something a few $ a month might be nice
18:34 < SupSuper> now it's mostly just a pool that goes to whatever/whoever needs
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> but now? I'm not interested...
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> but if other members of openapoc disagree I want to have the discussion at least
18:35 < SupSuper> i like the idea of people bribing me to not get their soldiers killed though...
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than unilateraly saying 'no donations!'
18:35 < TheSnide> SupSuper: that's called "freemium" :D
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> '$10 gives your rocket guys +5 accuracy!'
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Xcom: PayToWin
18:36 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: i agree with your reasoning
18:36 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: on the other side, a postcard is always nice :)
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> '$20 stops the AI thinking it'd be a great idea to shoot your own guy in the back all the goddamn time'
18:36 < SupSuper> i don't think you should call "donations = paid work" though. in all my years i've never seen that dynamic happen with us. though we're pretty casual :P
18:36 < SupSuper> but i'm pretty sure everyone donating a buck don't expect compensation for their dimes
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> TheSnide: Yeah, like apostcard 'thank you' board or something likely ticks the box of 'showing support' without the compliexity of money actually changing hands
18:37  * TheSnide is really in beerware & postcardware 
18:37 < SupSuper> i'm always amused how low or how high some people will go though
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> When we get OpenApocCon meetup or something we can do this there :P
18:38 < SupSuper> are there any open-source cons?
18:38 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: +1 I used to display an updated pic of it (postcard board) on the website
18:38 < SupSuper> or is it all san francisco hipsters
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> xdc was just in finland?
18:38 < TheSnide> makes it fun & non-commital
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> OpenXComCon:
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper sitting on his own drinking himself under the table :P
18:40 < SupSuper> under? :P
18:41 < TheSnide> naked *on* the table. dancing.
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, you started sitting at the table
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> but a few tequila shots later?
18:42 < TheSnide> a few == glorious moments.
18:42 < TheSnide> several == gloomy moments :)
18:42 < TheSnide> you're in SF ?
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm in the bay area
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> San Jose
18:44  * SupSuper holds up crucifix
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> which is 'next door' in American terms
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Only ~1 hour away :P
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's still part of the 'like the smell of their own farts' Silicon Valley Tech Culture Zone
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, brb, off to grab some lunch
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19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Silicon Valley: The only place where someone suggests they could 'write an iOS app to solve world hunger' with a straight face :P
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20:08 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #94: doodads, projectiles, vehicle weapon improvements and fixes (master...master) https://git.io/vPOkl
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20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> game/ui/city/cityview.cpp~RF5d38ea6.TMP
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> another accidently added temporary file? :p
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20:09 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vPOkV
20:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 62c1cb6 Jonathan Hamilton: Remove temporary file
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20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I fixed it for you
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> If you've got no outstanding work Istrebitel, I'll go through and fix some of the gcc warnings
20:26 < SupSuper> i wonder why clang-tidy generates those TMP sometimes
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I can only assume it happens if something fails
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> or interrupted...
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I've never seen them on linux, so maybe it uses a different path to write files
20:30 < SupSuper> well the files always end up formatted either way
20:31 < SupSuper> maybe it caught them at a bad time
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess if github is constantly checking for 'changed files' it the background
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> it might happen to pick one up halfway through a format...
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20:53 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vPOOS
20:53 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master cc5eda6 Jonathan Hamilton: Cmake: Only build the parts of physfs we use...
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11:33 < Kaljakoppa> OpenApoc compiles forever...
11:34 < Kaljakoppa> Finally resetting the environment
11:54 < Kaljakoppa> Got it :)
11:54 < Kaljakoppa> Nice work guys
11:54 < Kaljakoppa> Tested the battle as well
11:55 < Kaljakoppa> You have much of the puzzle pieces ready it seems
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16:48 < Istrebitel> JonnyH if you will read this, travis showed me this error today and I have no clue how to track it
16:48 < Istrebitel> [ 31%] Generating gamestate_serialize_generated.h, gamestate_serialize_generated.cpp
16:48 < Istrebitel> [ 31%] Building CXX object forms/CMakeFiles/OpenApoc_Forms.dir/checkbox.cpp.o
16:48 < Istrebitel> 0x60200000e7b0: note: object is of type 'boost::any::holder<std::string>'
16:48 < Istrebitel>  01 00 00 6c  b0 75 46 74 4d 2b 00 00  98 ad 00 00 b0 60 00 00  03 00 00 00 00 00 00 04  10 00 00 00
16:48 < Istrebitel>               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
16:48 < Istrebitel>               vptr for 'boost::any::holder<std::string>'
16:48 < Istrebitel> SUMMARY: AddressSanitizer: undefined-behavior /usr/include/boost/any.hpp:243:16 in
16:48 < Istrebitel> 0x60200000e7b0: note: object is of type 'boost::any::holder<std::string>'
16:48 < Istrebitel>  01 00 00 6c  b0 75 46 74 4d 2b 00 00  98 ad 00 00 b0 60 00 00  03 00 00 00 00 00 00 04  10 00 00 00
16:48 < Istrebitel>               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
16:48 < Istrebitel>               vptr for 'boost::any::holder<std::string>'
16:48 < Istrebitel> SUMMARY: AddressSanitizer: undefined-behavior /usr/include/boost/any.hpp:243:73 in
16:48 < Istrebitel> =================================================================
16:48 < Istrebitel> ==10094==ERROR: LeakSanitizer: detected memory leaks
17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: hmm, looks like a bug in the boost version...
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> There's also an issue with misaligned pointer accesses in the extractor
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> IT's ok on x86, but it would break on something like arm64...
17:24 < Istrebitel> erm?
17:24 < Istrebitel> where?
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> tools/extractors/extract_battlescape_map.cpp
17:25 < Istrebitel> where does it say that?
17:26 < Istrebitel> or do you know the offset?
17:26 < Istrebitel> line, i mean?
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> +110
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> sorry, thought I copied that :)
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> the thing is the exits array isn't 32-bit aligned
17:27 < Istrebitel> and?
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> thats one of these things that *technically* invalid according to the c++ spec
17:27 < Istrebitel> why?
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> but most architectures cope
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> (most == x86 and x86_64 at least, so most common certainly :)
17:28 < Istrebitel> that's because i do pragma push?
17:28 < Istrebitel> when defining structure?
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, without the pack pragma it'll leave a gap in the struct
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> which would mean it no longer matches
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> If you read the uint32_t directly and copy it onto the stack
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> and then pass *that* to the Vec3<> constructor
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> that'll workaround it
17:29 < Istrebitel> is doing (int)?
17:29 < Istrebitel> enough?
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> (the issue is that the Vec3<> constructor takes references, which are really pointers internally, so the compiler no longer knows it's misaligned. If it was copying the value directly from the struct, it knows it's misaligned and can fix it up accordingly (possible lowering into 2x16-bit reads instead of 1x32)
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll push a fix :)
17:30 < Istrebitel> ok
17:30 < Istrebitel> i fixed all warnings
17:30 < Istrebitel> like all of them
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> :D
17:30 < Istrebitel> only warnings in libs remain (not our libs)
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Many of the warnings may end up being not real issues
17:30 < Istrebitel> well I found several
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> but I like keeping it clean so you can more easily spot new ones
17:30 < Istrebitel> I understand now why you pay so much attention to them
17:31 < Istrebitel> I found like 5 bugs with l and case's
17:31 < Istrebitel> with ;'s i mean
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah :)
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> they're useful
17:32 < Istrebitel> anyways, I will always clean them up, so don't worry doing it for me
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> cool
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> I was hoping to get some time last night
17:32 < Istrebitel> Question: I saw people use like a LOT of travis stuff
17:32 < Istrebitel> a lot of setups
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> but ended up having to work instead
17:32 < Istrebitel> i mean, a lot of builds
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh? We have 4
17:33 < Istrebitel> I only have 4 build configs, i seen people have like 20
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> and considering each build takes quite a while I think 4 is enough :)
17:33 < Istrebitel> it was supsuper or warboy I dunno
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I think adding more test passes would be a better use of time at this point than more build passes
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> we alredy test 2 compilers, sanitize and a static analysis pass (clang-tidy)
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> we could add maybe a debug pass for each compiler
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> to make it 6
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> in case people put code in assert() or something else that's removed in release builds maybe...
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> also the appveyor builds are kinda on top of that, so another 4 come from that :)
17:35 < Istrebitel> ok
17:35 < Istrebitel> so, are you still working on agent equip?
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> SLowly -_-
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been rather busy with work this last couple of weeks
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> of a team of 5: 2 people are on holiday, 1 just had a baby so is on leave
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> so there's just 2 of us left...
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> At least that's my excuse :)
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> not that you care... If it's blocking you I'll try to make time
17:39 < Istrebitel> no
17:39 < Istrebitel> I have quite a unique situation, being able to just do this a lot of time
17:40 < Istrebitel> don't want to push anybody
17:40 < Istrebitel> I was just hoping I could use that sometime soon, but I can manage without
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> You're making the rest of us look bad :)
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> You're doing too much good work!
17:40 < Istrebitel> well I'm doing this, you can say, more than full time )
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> 25 hours a day!
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> 8 days a week!
17:41 < Istrebitel> well it averages to about 10 hours a day 7 days a week, yes ))))
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Thinking of a job in gamedev?
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> here's my alignment fix:
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17:42 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vPsz3
17:42 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 936e011 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix misaligned pointer access in extract_battlescape_map
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17:42 < Istrebitel> thanks
17:43 < Istrebitel> I'll get it soon
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Like I said, it's probably not a real issue
17:43 < Istrebitel> On topic of job: well, I'm 30. Last year was very much a "what the fuck are you doing with your life" year
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> you're probably not running the extractor on your phone :)
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> but -fsanitize=undefined warns about it
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> and as we've proven making new warnings obvious is often a good idea
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I feel like I'm kinda slowly burning myself out
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe take a year off soonish and do something silly
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> like cycle round the world or something...
17:44 < Istrebitel> Like, all my life I was told what to do by my parents mostly
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> But I see being an engineer in the ay area is a bit of a golden goose at the monute
17:44 < Istrebitel> and they pushed me hard
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so I'm taking advantage of that while I can
17:45 < Istrebitel> I mean, not that I was denied doing what I want, but I was nagged constantly
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, my parents wanted me to do Law, and were 'disappointed' I wanted to waste my time with computers...
17:45 < Istrebitel> I heard law is a goldmine in USA
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably, but I'm british
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean it's very well paid there too
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but not quite as much as the USA
17:46 < Istrebitel> ah
17:46 < Istrebitel> bay area, of course
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> but I can assure you software engineers aren't paid any near as much in England as they are in San Francisco :)
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm probably paid more than my boss (who is based in the UK)
17:47 < Istrebitel> I love everything about England, Scotland, Ireland... was to London many times, and also once to Dublin, Bray, Limerick, Edinburgh etc.
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, having been out in the us for ~3 years now, I still feel like England is my 'home'
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Like I'm spending a few years out here as a short-term thing
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than really settling down
17:48 < Istrebitel> wait, i'
17:48 < Istrebitel> m confused
17:48 < Istrebitel> bay area IS usa
17:48 < Istrebitel> ah, so you migrated temporarily?
17:48 < Istrebitel> but you plan to go back to England?
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I'm here on a temporary visa
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe spend ~5-7 years in the bay area
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> then go back to the UK
17:54 < Istrebitel> so, yeah, I don't know if I'll make it a job, but I just always wanted to do something with my life, and always wanted to develop (or rather design) computer games, so I decided, why not actually try doing it
17:54 < Istrebitel> instead of doing something the matrix keeps telling me to do
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I kinda worry if I 'did my own thing'
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I'd end up doing pretty much what I do now
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> gpu drivers :)
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably reverse-engineering/open source though
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> but having the flexibility to get up in the mornign, go 'Nope, I'm going hiking today' would be something...
18:10 < Istrebitel> anyways, as seen, I've got ways to learn still, in terms of programming in c++, so I'm doing it now, and bringing back one of my best loved games to new life in the process
18:10 < Istrebitel> wonderful )))
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I kinda started working on openapoc as a 'learn c++11' myself too
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> hence some of the code still clearly 'learning the best ways of doing things'
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
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19:30 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #95: warning fixes, more doodads, terrain damage, unit damage (master...master) https://git.io/vPsHk
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19:31 < Istrebitel> oh btw
19:31 < Istrebitel> you wanted to remove xml files from git?
19:31 < Istrebitel> will you do it?
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19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> It's another thing on my 'todo' list
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> It shouldn't be too difficult, I just wanted to split the generation of maps/difficulty/other stuff up a bit first
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> so we don't have to regenerate *everything*
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20:26 < Istrebitel> oh
20:26 < Istrebitel> regeneration takes like a minute or so
20:26 < Istrebitel> it's not that important to split it before that
20:26 < Istrebitel> although makes sense of course
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/extract-data-in-build
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> that's the cmake version
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't have msvc available right now to do the equivalent there
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> It only regenerates if the extractor was rebuilt
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> which may be more than necessary (e.g. any GameState change wouild trigger a rebuild)
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> ...Can nobody hear me in #openxcom? Or are they just ignoring me?: P
22:41 < SupSuper> they're linux users, what do you expect :p
22:42 < SupSuper> we do log out all that path business... but i guess if you can't find the path, you can't find the log
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> the log goes to that dir, yeah :P
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> 'find $HOME -name openxcom.log'
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> **some time later**
22:43 < SupSuper> clearly i need to print it to the loading screen as well
22:43 < SupSuper> or some ingame folder button. if it was window i could just do ShellExecute :p
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> /home/jonny/.local/share/openxcom/openxcom.log
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> xdg-open /path/to/whatever
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> should work
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14:10 < SupSuper> http://xkcd.com/1742/
14:10 < frumple> so true
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15:02 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/extract-data-in-build
15:02 <@JonnyH> Seems to work for me in msvc...
15:02 <@JonnyH> to remove the 'extracted' data from git and add it as a build pass instead
15:02 <@JonnyH> It expects there to be a $(SolutionDir)/data/cd.iso
15:02 <@JonnyH> if that's sane...
15:08 <@JonnyH> I just need to make it re-generate if the extractor changes....
15:09 < SupSuper> i guess just add it to the build instructions
15:09 < SupSuper> well normally post-build steps only run if the project needs building, so it shouldn't run it if the extractor is the same
15:10 <@JonnyH> I couldn't run it as a 'post-build' step
15:10 <@JonnyH> as that was before the nuget package setup it's dlls...
15:10 <@JonnyH> That took me forever to figure out, as it happened to work locally
15:11 <@JonnyH> but appveyor failed with a 'command exited with code -1073741515'
15:11 <@JonnyH> which isn't the most useful error message I've seen
15:12 <@JonnyH> what it meant was 'missing dll'
15:12 < SupSuper> :p
15:14 <@JonnyH> so I added a new 'data' project with just a single 'custom build' step
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15:35 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Should I push that to master?
15:35 < SupSuper> *shrugs* nobody else uses msvc but me :p
15:35 <@JonnyH> It kinda works, you just have to remember to 'this project only->rebuild' the data if you change something...
15:36 <@JonnyH> I _really_ want to stop filling git history with megabytes of autogenerated xml :)
15:36 <@JonnyH> and it'll probably fail horribly if you don't have data/cd.iso
15:54 <@JonnyH> meh, I'll merge it
15:54 <@JonnyH> we can always 'improve' it in master
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18:27 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: if autogen then NotInGitUsually
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18:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9fce6d2 Jonathan Hamilton: Remove checked-in extracted data and instead add to build...
18:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 04a5dfb Jonathan Hamilton: Fix some users of sdl2-2.0.3 instead of 2.0.4 in MSVC...
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21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> ugh, it takes ~50 minutes /per build/ for the debug data generate too
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> that's a total of over 2 hours for the appveyor builds to fully complete... -_-
21:57 < SupSuper> yeah i can see how generating data on demand would suck for auto builds...
22:09 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: what's the empty "data" project for
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> IT's not empty
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> It has the build rule that actually runs the dataextractor
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I could probably add all the common_patch/* and other patch stuff as 'source files' or whatever
22:11 < SupSuper> ok so i have to run it manually?
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> THe MSVC 'build solution' option will build it
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> but if you change the extractor or something you'll have to rebuild it manually, yes
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I was poking msvc to try to get the build rule to depend on that so it would automatically do it
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> but at least adding the extractor.exe as a 'source' for the rule isn't enough..
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> (which is no worse than today, as if you change something that requires a rebuiold of the data you need to re-run it anyway, but now at least that 'rebuild data' button is in msvc)
22:15 < SupSuper> well the problem is the extractor isn't built by default, otherwise just having a post-build step in the extractor would work
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> It was build by default for me...
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Mine seems to build all 'leaf' projects by default...
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I could add the 'data' project as a dependency of the OpenApoc project itself
22:15 < SupSuper> oh the extractor *is* set as a dependency of OpenApoc
22:16 < SupSuper> hmmm let me try something
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> which should then in turn pull in the extractor...
22:16 < SupSuper> also goddammit you forgot to quote your paths again :p
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> 'forgot'? You mean 'intentionally punish those who have spaces/weird characters in their paths'?
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, normally I just expand the macros and assume it'll work... clearly not
22:20 < SupSuper> getting a bunch of "failed to parse checksum.xml"
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> that seems normal
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems since the split ofthe serialization stuff it tries to open the file to read even when writing
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> which clearly fails as it doesn't yet exist?
22:21 < SupSuper> anyways i set it as a post-build step (*not* a custom build step) for the extractor and that seems to work fine
22:21 < SupSuper> in that it'll only do the extraction whenever the extractor changes
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> The issue I had is that depends on sdl2.dll
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> which is copied into the bin/ path by another post-build step by the nuget package
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> and it was random if it would fail, depending on if something else happened to have already copies the sdl2.dll there first
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> there should be a post-post-build step :P
22:23 < SupSuper> weird
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Of course, another option is to statically link in sdl... But that feels like a lot of work for little gain?>
22:23 < SupSuper> but yeah the extraction takes a whiiiiile
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm working on splitting it
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. so maps is a different exe and the like
22:24 < SupSuper> how many projects are we gonna have by the end of this :p
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> so it can be parallelised, and maybe with proper dependencies it won't rebuild everything every time
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22:27 < SupSuper> think Istrebitel is gonna be annoyed if i fix his huge map? :p
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Dunno :)
22:28 < SupSuper> also it seems the bulletsprites are still in git so they're all marked as modified
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> It does seem like a great opportunity for flattening...
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH if each animation is uniquely named
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> you don't need to collect them together in a 'pack' at all?
22:29 < SupSuper> well it's cleaner than putting together ids :p
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean the end result of the lookup for (ItemWieldMode)(HandState)(MovementState)(Whatever) could be packaged into a single class
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> with it's own operator==/operator< so could be directly looked up in a map
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than a map-of-maps-of-maps-of-maps
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. there's a 'class AnimationDescription'
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> with all the enum members required to lookup the correct animation
22:32 < SupSuper> isn't that what "collecting them together" is?
22:35 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I'm just a bit confused why each unit has a vector of these packs instead of just a single [everything required to lookup the animation]->animation map
22:35 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, they're indexed in that vector by 'appearance'
22:36 <@JonnyH`Work> which seems to be set at agent creation...
22:36 <@JonnyH`Work> So instead of keeping the whole list and looking up the same value, can't the agent itself just have the single appearence it's already set to me
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the 'appearance' may be related to the portait too...
22:37 < SupSuper> doesn't every unit look the same?
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> androids have 4?
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> a couple of aliens have 2
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> gangsters have 2
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> that seems to be it
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Though at this point I feel that if I dither long enough, Istrebitel will just appear and fix it anyway :)
22:41 < SupSuper> i'm glad we have clang-format :p
22:42 < SupSuper> on the bright side this should also make the xml much smaller
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> 20552722 deletions(-)
22:43 < SupSuper> actually i'm not sure if all the <key><value> will cancel out repeating the whole index each time
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, it'll probably go from
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> animations[a][b][c][d][e]->whatever
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> to animations[{a,b,c,d,e}]->whatever
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> it'll be a specific workaround to kill maps-of-maps-of-maps-of...
22:46 < SupSuper> crap, some of the maps-of-maps-of-maps-of-maps are slightly different
22:47 < SupSuper> ok leaving it to Istrebitel it is :p
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
22:53 < SupSuper> jesus christ this battlescape
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> popped up quick, didn't it
22:55 < SupSuper> all that's missing is firing, and i'm sure by the time i say this it'll be done :p
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git fetch istrebitel'
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> ...yup, new changes..
23:00 < SupSuper> why is compiling always a guaranteed way to bring my pc to a screeching halt
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> ? On linux or windows?
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> 'make -j' is too much for my machine
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> it tries to alloc ~40gb of ram or so
23:00 < SupSuper> windows :p it hogs all the cores
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> so starts swapping when it gets to 32
23:02 < SupSuper> http://i.imgur.com/RSXJUvd.png
23:02 < SupSuper> clearly i need more cores...
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm, mine hovers between 60-80% or so utilisation...
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> occasionally going to 100
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> that's a laptop w/6700hq
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> so 4 core/8 threads
23:03 < SupSuper> it probably only happens when it can actually build stuff in parallel :p
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it doesn't seem to parallelise between projects?
23:04 < SupSuper> well they're all dependant on each other...
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> on linux you can build the libs/dependencies before the framework
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> then after that bottlenect
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> it can do forms/state at the same time
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> then extractor/gameui
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/good-parallel-msvc.png
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not bad a bit later though
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess as the gamestate/gameui are 'larger' it gives more opportunity within the project to parallelise
23:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, I'm off home
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15:40 < Istrebitel> hello JonnyH
15:40 < Istrebitel> could you tell me what's wrong with map of maps, and why do you want to replace it with a class? Won't class introduce extra overhead?
15:40 < Istrebitel> and slower find speeds?
15:41 <@JonnyH> Not really
15:41 <@JonnyH> but that's a micro-optimisation anyway
15:41 <@JonnyH> As in a map-of-maps is likely less cache efficient
15:41 <@JonnyH> and log(N*2) < log(N) + log(N) for lookup
15:42 <@JonnyH> but the main reason I want to get rid of it is the annoying msvc warnings about silly type names...
15:43 <@JonnyH> Worry about performance later :P
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18:52 < Istrebitel> yeah but... I mean, is it a bad practice to make map of maps?
18:52 < Istrebitel> I thought this is exactly the case .I need to define an object by several enumerations. What is usually done in this case?
18:59 <@JonnyH> not sure there's a 'right' way
18:59 <@JonnyH> Probably depends on how you think of the animation 'key'
18:59 <@JonnyH> is it really a tree of animations, each level being selected by a different enumn
19:00 < Istrebitel> it's a multi dimesional array where each dimension is an enum
19:00 <@JonnyH> or more a single animation that's selected by the set of {HandState, WalkState, WhateverState}
19:00 <@JonnyH> TBH I don't really mind much :)
19:00 < Istrebitel> each animation is defined by a tuple
19:00 <@JonnyH> THen why not have the map key as the tuple?
19:00 < Istrebitel> it consists of (current body, target body, current hands, target hands, current movement, current facing etc)
19:00 < SupSuper> a map of map of map is no different than just a class of all the keys
19:00 <@JonnyH> I only really care as it spews lots of msvc warnings
19:00 < Istrebitel> because the user class does not have a tuple
19:00 < Istrebitel> reayy SupSuper?
19:01 < SupSuper> sure, each entry needs every key right?
19:01 < Istrebitel> won't creating a new instance of a class every time to call the function introduce overhead?
19:01 < Istrebitel> and how will map sort by this class?
19:01 < SupSuper> it'd only be different if you actually had different maps on each key
19:01 < Istrebitel> won't it sort worse by this class than by enums?
19:01 <@JonnyH> a std::tuple<EnumA, EnumB, EnumC> would be pretty trivial to construct
19:01 < Istrebitel> and how will it sort?
19:01 <@JonnyH> probably a lot cheaper than pointer indirection required to step through each level of maps...
19:01 < Istrebitel> sorting enums is trivial, they're ints, but how will it sort the tuple?
19:02 < Istrebitel> ah, so there are benefits
19:02 <@JonnyH> Yeah, but 'small' probably immeasurable differences that'll likely be dominated by other things
19:02 <@JonnyH> like you happen to allocate something across cache lines or whatever :)
19:02 < Istrebitel> the BEST way to implement it would be like tilemap is done
19:02 < Istrebitel> have a size, and just use multiplication to get an integer index
19:03 < Istrebitel> but I don't know if that'll look nice in xmls or in code
19:03 <@JonnyH> if it's a dense map (IE all possible enum keys have a value)
19:03 <@JonnyH> and the size of each dimension is know upfront
19:03 < Istrebitel> it is quite dense, yes, but not 100%, and size is known upfront
19:03 <@JonnyH> then yeah, it's like a 'perfect' hashmap
19:04 < Istrebitel> but dimensions are enums, how do you get a "max" for enum? do you do it manually?
19:04 <@JonnyH> converting from enum to int is somewhat implemnetation defined
19:04 <@JonnyH> unless you give each value a 'Value = 1' etc.
19:05 <@JonnyH> and 'enum class MyEnum : int {...'
19:05 <@JonnyH> so you know it's going to be an int data type
19:05 < Istrebitel> Yeah I know you can (int) an enum, I mean, do you hardode enum's size, or can you ge tit somehow?
19:05 <@JonnyH> and then you still need a 'manual' max
19:05 < Istrebitel> i see
19:05 < Istrebitel> like, some enum implementations I saw had "MAXVALUE" entry at the end for the purpose of getting size
19:06 < Istrebitel> like, "Auto, Snap, Aimed, MAXVALUE", and you can do (int)AimMode::MAXVALUE to find out the size
19:06 < Istrebitel> but I dunno if it's a good practice
19:06 <@JonnyH> c++ tries  to pretend ints and enums are different types
19:06 <@JonnyH> althrough on every 'real' platform and compiler that'll work fine
19:07 <@JonnyH> I'm a little surprised there isn't a iterator interface for enums or soemthing by now...
19:07 <@JonnyH> for (auto &value : EnumType) {}
19:07 <@JonnyH> would be fun
19:08 <@JonnyH> I bet there's some boost::enum or something that uses a ungodly mess of MACROS and <templates> to do just that..
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19:11 <@JonnyH> damn stupid limits on limits on string literals in value templates..
19:11 <@JonnyH> I want to replace the StateObject<> getPrefix/getID/whatever with generatted code
19:11 <@JonnyH> so you do 'class ObjectType : public StateObject<ObjectType, "Name", "PREFIX">'
19:11 <@JonnyH> and it does all that for you
19:12 <@JonnyH> but it seems the c++ spec writers hate me...
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20:14 < SupSuper> JonnyH: wrap them in a type? :v
20:14 <@JonnyH> not sure what you mean?
20:15 <@JonnyH> you mean 'class ObjectTypeName { public: static const UString &getName(){return "Name"}};'
20:15 < SupSuper> instead of having the literals come from the template, have them come from the templated type?
20:15 < SupSuper> so ObjectType can have "Name" and "PREFIX" somewhere in it?
20:15 <@JonnyH> then you can do class StateObjectType : public StateObject<StateObjectType, ObjectTypeName>?
20:16 < SupSuper> something like that
20:16 <@JonnyH> not sure if that's any better thanjust requiring you to define a getName()/getPrefix() as we do now...
20:19 < SupSuper> true
20:19 < SupSuper> macros? *shudders*
20:21 <@JonnyH> you could use a sequence of chars in a ARgs.. pack
20:21 <@JonnyH> but StateObject<StateObjectType, sequence<'P', 'R', 'E', 'F', 'I', 'X'>>...
20:21 <@JonnyH> ugh
20:22 <@JonnyH> you can pass a constexpt char[]
20:22 <@JonnyH> but that'll break the ODR if you use it in a header
20:22 <@JonnyH> as every file that incldues that header will technically end up with a different string pointer..
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18:53 < SupSuper> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/05/announcing-visual-studio-15-preview-5/
18:53 < SupSuper> maybe the next visual studio will be able to load openapoc at a normal speed :p
18:54 <@JonnyH> Is loading the .sln itself that slow?
18:54 < SupSuper> yes :p
18:54 <@JonnyH> It's the debug codegen that annoys me :)
18:54 < SupSuper> c++ version: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/10/05/visual-studio-15-preview-5-now-available/
18:55 <@JonnyH> cmake support? :)
18:55 <@JonnyH> I've improved the compile speed a bit the last day or so actually
18:57 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/compile-time.png
18:57 <@JonnyH> that's  RelWithDebInfo build with gcc
18:57 <@JonnyH> but I assume stuff that's slow with gcc is also slow with msvc..
18:58 < SupSuper> yeah they announced a bunch of cool stuff at cppcon, including cmake: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/10/05/cmake-support-in-visual-studio/
18:59 < SupSuper> seems to be a mix of "tie solution changes back to cmake without shitting itself" and "open cmake projects without needing a generated solution"
18:59 <@JonnyH> cmake is kinda 'difficult'
18:59 <@JonnyH> as it's really a programming language
18:59 <@JonnyH> so to decide what's in a project, you kinda have to 'run' it :)
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20:00 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 78811a1 IstrebiteI: line of sight voxelmaps, fixed voxel map centre...
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15:01 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: one annoying thing of how you've set up the data extraction on msvc is it requires rebuilding the whole project if it ever needs updating :p
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16:45 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 72b195b Istrebitel: Merge pull request #97 from Istrebitel/master...
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18:33 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Away: about being paid : http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/2013/the-perils-of-mixing-open-source-and-money.html
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20:13 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Can't you select 'project only->rebuild' on the data context menu in msvc?
20:14 < SupSuper> yeah but rebuilding a project that has everything as a dependency rebuilds everything :p
20:14 < SupSuper> and i also need to manually delete the old generated files
20:15 < SupSuper> a shell script probably would've been just as effective
20:18 <@JonnyH> aah, yeah, if I add the generated files t the clean target that'd work...
20:19 <@JonnyH> e.g. if you delete data/difficulty1_patched it'll rebuild
20:20 < SupSuper> yeah but there's git files in data/difficulty1_patched so then i need to reset git as well :p
20:21 <@JonnyH> there shouldn't be any git files in the _patched directories...
20:21 < SupSuper> gamestate.xml apparently
20:21 <@JonnyH> that sounds like a mistake
20:21 < SupSuper> bulletsprites also get regenerated sometimes?
20:22 <@JonnyH> bulletsprites should probably get removed from git too then :)
20:22 <@JonnyH> TBH I want to split the generators, instead of a monolithic .exe that does _everything_
20:22 <@JonnyH> then we can be a bit more clever about what we rebuild
20:22 < SupSuper> well i haven't figured out what generates them since "data" doesn't seem to always do it
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21:01 <@JonnyH> it should be the same extractor.exe....
21:20 < SupSuper> you've somehow made building openapoc a bigger ordeal then working with unity :p
21:29 <@JonnyH> :)
21:29 <@JonnyH> I do my best
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10:03 < Istrebitel> JonnyH_, did you introduce the gamestate_common?
10:04 < Istrebitel> ah, I get it now
10:04 < Istrebitel> we really should introduce "clear folders" to extracting
10:04 < Istrebitel> otherwise things get mixed up and behavior is unintended, like, I was getting duplicates all over
10:25 < kkmic> Hey Istrebitel
10:25 < kkmic> What's cooking?
10:25 < Istrebitel> Hello
10:25 < Istrebitel> Almost done collapsible map
10:25 < Istrebitel> just few more bugs (mostly with vanilla's maps)
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10:25 < kkmic> Nice
10:26 < kkmic> You guys have really picked up speed on OpenApoc
11:00 < Pawlac> "collapsible map"
11:00 < Pawlac> for the tactical one?
11:26 < Istrebitel> yes
11:48 < kkmic> Hmm.. minimap?
11:49 < kkmic> Failed to open archive at "data/gamestate_common"
11:49 < kkmic> Am I missing something?
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12:52 < Istrebitel> you need to run extractor
12:52 < Istrebitel> we removed xmls from git
12:52 < Istrebitel> because they introduced bloated "lines changed" and other problems
12:52 < Istrebitel> from now on you should run extractor whenever you get something from git
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14:16 < JonnyH_> Istrebitel: I added a clean target to the data/ project
14:16 < JonnyH_> So if you do 'this project only'->'clean' it should remove the generated directories
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14:17 <@JonnyH> and there's a few bugs on the cityscape too with unsupported stuff
14:17 <@JonnyH> and like a sewerage works being marked as owned by 'xcom'
14:17 <@JonnyH> And some grass in the middle of a wall... :P
14:17 <@JonnyH> I suspect it only worked as the game only checked support when an adjacent object was destroyed
14:18 <@JonnyH> so stuff that started unsupported just hovered there
14:46 < Istrebitel> yeah but that approach also introduced circular references, so to speak, that allowed things to hover in place
14:47 < Istrebitel> say, three obejcts in horizontal line, XYZ, X is supported from below, Y requires X or Z, Z requires Y
14:47 < Istrebitel> X is killed, Y looks at Z and says "I'm supported". Even though Z is no longer supported, it won't be asked to re-check if it is
14:48 <@JonnyH> I guess then you need some kind of 'and' operator for support
14:48 <@JonnyH> 'this tile is supported by +x and +y, if _either_ are removed this tile falls'
14:48 <@JonnyH> I guess that's why in some slum maps
14:49 <@JonnyH> you destroy one side of the building, nothing falls
14:49 <@JonnyH> you destroy the other side, the whole building goes down
14:49 <@JonnyH> as the floors can only be supported from one direction
14:50 < Istrebitel> that also exists
14:50 < Istrebitel> but anyway, there can be circular references like that
14:51 < Istrebitel> and in order to make it properly calculate, you have to first init proper links for everything, so you know what depends on what
14:51 < Istrebitel> and when you re-check, you can ask Z "are you supported without my aid" before accepting it's support
14:52 <@JonnyH> You could still get circular support in chains > 2 tiles like that
14:52 < Istrebitel> no, it will recheck the chain and fail
14:53 < Istrebitel>  X->Y->Z->X
14:53 < Istrebitel> X asks Y if it's supported, Y asks Z, Z is not (since X is not counted as support at this time) and chain fails
14:53 <@JonnyH> Unless the 'without my aid' is actually a set of tiles, appending 'this' as you go down the chain
14:53 < Istrebitel> well it's like this, every tile knows what it supports
14:53 < Istrebitel> when tile is asked to re-check it temporarily marks tiles it supports as not supported
14:53 < Istrebitel> and then checks
14:54 < Istrebitel> if check passes it marks them back as supported
14:54 < Istrebitel> if not it adds them to the list of tiles to re-check
14:54 <@JonnyH> It doesn't have to be perfect :)
14:54 <@JonnyH> certainly v1 is just 'no worse than the original'
14:54 <@JonnyH> I worry if you end up recursively retesting tiles it'll end up with some silly O()
14:55 <@JonnyH> Probably a perfect solution would add a 'strength' to support links
14:56 <@JonnyH> and do some kind of flood-fill to calculate the total 'weight' each link supports
14:56 < Istrebitel> well, I am recursively checking tiles, but I'm not checking eveyrthing
14:56 < Istrebitel> if tile has support without tiles it's supporting recursion doesn't go further
14:56 < Istrebitel> so it checks pretty quickly
14:56 <@JonnyH> I'm trying to break my bad habit of premature optimisation. It's hard at times :)
14:56 < Istrebitel> sure when last supporter of a 9 story slum is down, it will hang up a bit
14:57 < Istrebitel> but then I don't know if there's a better way of handling that thing
15:01 <@JonnyH> some flood fill until you find a ground/'magically supported' flag?
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15:13 < Istrebitel> well yes we can quickly go through list of vec3<int>, each time looking for any map part that is not damaged, if found - add neighbours to the list, if found ground or floating - can be supported, if reached and - whole structure falls
15:13 < Istrebitel> or something...
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17:13 < Istrebitel> okay, collapsible map seems to work fine
17:13 < Istrebitel> gonna push it now after travis confirms it builds
17:13 < Istrebitel> explosions next
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Hopefully my coworkers are coming back from holiday this week
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> so I might actaully have some real time to do something useful...
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18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> hey sup
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> I added a clean target for the 'data' repository
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> let me know if it doesn't work right
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19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: About 'faded' sprites
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> like the cloaked units
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume there aren't new .pck images for them?
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> But instead it just dithered the output?
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20:32 < SupSuper> well they did use that "dither" effect a lot
20:32 < SupSuper> also JonnyH`Work i still say just some .bat files would've been fine :p
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> but those .bat files would still have to be run by the buildsystem somehow?
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> and they used dither as read-modifiy-write on the framebuffer is hella expensive
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> so no blend
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> we can do blending, if that's 'better'?
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> but not Accurate...
20:33 < SupSuper> well i have to run it manually anyways, so running a .bat or building a project is the same :p
20:34 < SupSuper> i guess a .bat doesn't check if the executable is built, but still
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> ..but te bat file would just be
20:34 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: doesn't the base view use blending? seemed to work well enough
20:34 < SupSuper> i mean a cloaked unit would basically be 50% alpha
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> git clean -xfd data; $(SolutionDir)\bin\$(Configuration)\$(Platform)\extractor.exe
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I see the 'dither' effect as a workaround for alpha-blending being too expensive back then
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than an intentional design decision
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW I can't see to add multiple 'output' arguments to the data build step that actually works...
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> if I try to escape, it goes '%(ROOTPATH) failed' or something
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> if I don't escape, it doesn't think any files have been created
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> so _always_ runs the extractor
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW I'm currently trying to get something working WRT sharing the equip code between vehicles/agents
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> so far I'm pretty deep into a templated mess :)
20:37 < SupSuper> see the .bat is looking better and better :p
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> that's an issue with when it's run
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> the .bat wouldn't solve it
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> (unless you did some make-like logic in that, stat extractor.exe and the output, re-run extractor.exe if (modified_date(extractor) > modified_date(output))
20:41 < SupSuper> well i don't think it can accurately detect when it's out-of-date anyways so i'm fine with just a manual button i push every now and then
20:43 < SupSuper> or just wait for visual studio '15 i guess :p
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> ...will that help?
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> better UI for adding generated files or something?
20:49 < SupSuper> well the upcoming cmake support might mean i can just use that :p
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, I'll likely have to tweak the cmakefiles a bit first though
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> as they often assume a posix shell for some things...
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Boy, there's a lot of corner cases in equipment
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Like vehicles outside a base cannot be equipped
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> but agents can, with a shared 'store'
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> until you exit the equipscreen, where everythig dropped is lost
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> in battlescape all equipment is instantiated (presumably to copy with stuff like partially-used ammo, armed grenades etc.) so collapse items into a numbered list
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21:50 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #98: collapsible battle map (master...master) https://git.io/vP0dk
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21:51 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 7 new commits to master: https://git.io/vP0dq
21:51 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 39bc257 IstrebiteI: collapsible map progress #1
21:51 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master dec1cdb IstrebiteI: Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/pmprog/master'...
21:51 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 74d6771 IstrebiteI: Improved handling of OpenApoc ticks...
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22:13 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 5b15c69 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix some clang-tidy issues...
22:13 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 70a4d46 Jonathan Hamilton: Format
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00:12 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ed06539 Jonathan Hamilton: Optimise voxel map loading...
00:12 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3dd51d3 Jonathan Hamilton: Format
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05:05 < Colombo1> hey, you guys are great! Istrebitel, you are doing amazing piece of work there!
05:05 < Colombo1> I see how all these commits pile up!
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11:16 < lamely88> test
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15:45 < kkmic> Failed to add resource dir "./data", error: not found
15:45 < kkmic> Failed to add resource dir "./data/cd.iso", error: not found
15:46 < kkmic> But the location set with cmake is not searched/recognized
15:47 < kkmic> Hmm.. that and more :)
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16:00 <@JonnyH> Try running with --Framework.CD=/path/to/cd.iso
16:01 <@JonnyH> and --Framework.Data=/path/to/OpenApoc/data
16:01 <@JonnyH> the CD_PATH used by cmake effectively sets those when running the extractor/tests
16:01 <@JonnyH> It doesn't 'bake in' that as the default
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20:15 < gottkohl_> hey
20:15 < SupSuper> heya
20:15 < gottkohl_> and all fine?
20:15 < gottkohl_> english?
20:18 < SupSuper> yeah
20:18 < gottkohl_> :`(
20:19 < gottkohl_> I want to help, but not really time
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I know the feeling :)
20:22 < gottkohl_> I read for starting the forum
20:23 < gottkohl_> how long are you doing?
20:23 < gottkohl_> or better i hope, since are you doing?
21:03 < SupSuper> well at least Istrebitel is making crazy amounts of progress :p
21:04 < SupSuper> now JonnyH`Work just needs to make a video of the battlescape
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Huh, did you know my first commit was more than 2 years ago?
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> what have I been doing with my life??
21:06 < SupSuper> getting yourself commited? :p
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> -_-
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18:30 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vPwaB
18:30 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ba93568 IstrebiteI: Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/pmprog/master'
18:30 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 89df6fc IstrebiteI: hazards, also fixes to explosions, map parts and stun damage...
18:30 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6aba31d IstrebiteI: non-msvc build fix
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18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Ooh, the daily Istrebitel pull
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18:55 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vPwKt
18:55 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 60e58d7 Jonathan Hamilton: Implement UString wchar_t/wstring conversions...
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19:00 < SupSuper> oh no, not the wide chars!!!
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> currently the ofstream() constructors will be given utf8 on windows
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> but interpret it as ascii...
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it's only used for relative paths and savegames
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> but still, it seems the 
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> 'only' way on windows of fixing that is wstrings...
19:12 < Pawlac> you guys are making nice progress
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19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, Istrebitel is making great progress :)
19:16 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: well only windows has c++ overloads for wstrings
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, it's a non-standard extension
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> but if we have a converting constructor that perfers wstring, but decomposes to string if that's not available it should still work...
19:17 < SupSuper> you *can* use strings as long as you convert them to the current codepage, which is less elegant but hey less ifdefs :p
19:18 < SupSuper> if it helps: http://utf8everywhere.org/
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19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> 'current codepage' meaning some windows-only multibyte encoding for some languages
19:29 < SupSuper> well when you're already dropping to win32 anyways: https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/src/Engine/Language.cpp#L175 :p
19:30 < SupSuper> it's basically a choice of where you want your glue points
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> boost::filesystem has wstring overloads too
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19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> adding a UString->filesystem::path would probably solve that particular issue
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> even if that ended up being #ifdef _WIN32
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> as paths are the only thing needing a 'native' encoding on windows...
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> all other output is fine in utf8
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I think...
19:40 < SupSuper> depends on your api. for example sdl forces all paths to utf8
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> and windows titles IIRC
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> unless  you build without UNICODE defined
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> becuase that's totally sane
19:41 < SupSuper> well windows is internally consistent... as long as you only use windows apis
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> or you use something that can't be encoded in ucs2
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and the library hasn't been updated in a while
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21:01 < Pawlac> yeah
21:02 < Pawlac> he is quite active on trello
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been embarrassingly idle recently...
21:05 < Pawlac> isn't it because that you are doing more work at your job due to your coworker is sick or something?
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Pretty much :)
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Sick + Paternity leave + Holiday all happening at the same time
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> but they're coming back this week mostly
21:12 < Pawlac> damn that's quite alot
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17:55 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #101: priming explosives + fixes (mostly to collapsible map) (master...master) https://git.io/vPKmL
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17:55 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ecdbf7d IstrebiteI: Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/pmprog/master'
17:55 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ba43da8 IstrebiteI: collapsible map fixes, implemented launchers, other fixes...
17:55 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ec68187 IstrebiteI: more improvements to battle map parts falling
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19:20 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
19:21 < Istrebitel> strange thing is happening, maybe you have an idea why
19:21 < Istrebitel> some of our screens, like BattleView, have sp<GameState> stored in them
19:21 < Istrebitel> I wanted to change that to GameState&
19:21 < Istrebitel> I did, and it stopped working. It threw acces write violations in random places of code, like, really everywhere, where I accessed map or battle
19:22 < Istrebitel> I rebuilt, cleaned, it didnt' solve the issue, until I changed it back to using sp<GameState>
19:22 < Istrebitel> What could be the case here?
19:22 <@JonnyH> I can only assume somehow the GameStae is getting destryoed?
19:22 < Istrebitel> theoretically?
19:22 <@JonnyH> if that sp<> is the last reference?
19:22 < Istrebitel> well it shouldn't should it?
19:22 < Istrebitel> aaah
19:22 < Istrebitel> I see
19:22 < Istrebitel> so if we don't keep reeferense to gamestate in an active screen it dies?
19:23 <@JonnyH> Yeah, if there are no sp<GameState> left, it'll destroy the GameState
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19:28 <@JonnyH> you could probably make the GameState global state
19:29 <@JonnyH> and it can be managed manually (create at start/game load, destroy at quit/new game)
19:29 <@JonnyH> not sure what advantages that would give though, I doubt the reference counting of the sp<GameState> is a big performance issue...
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15:20 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vPXcr
15:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d199688 Jonathan Hamilton: Cleanup game/ui includes
15:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f827b4b Jonathan Hamilton: Format
15:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d7aefa5 Jonathan Hamilton: Build fix for glm-0.9.8...
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23:18 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8c8634e Jonathan Hamilton: Re-add frame limit after config changes
23:18 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 83395f7 Jonathan Hamilton: Stop threadpool early in ~Framework...
23:18 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 92c9933 Jonathan Hamilton: Make LoadingScreen and VideoScreen orthogonal
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11:12 < kkmic> Why are you guys extracting stuff from the Apocalypse ISO?
11:12 < kkmic> Can't the ISO be just used as-is?
11:14 < kkmic> Also, is this "extract stuff" a temporary situation during development?
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14:22 <@JonnyH> kkmic: The 'extract' pulls out data tables from the .exe
14:22 <@JonnyH> So it requires a specific version/specific language .exe
14:22 < kkmic> Only from the exe?
14:23 <@JonnyH> so for 'releases' I expect to ship the extracted files
14:23 < kkmic> I saw something about extracting images or something...
14:23 < kkmic> I see
14:23 <@JonnyH> And it converts the map files too, as the original format was quite limited
14:23 <@JonnyH> The images are read directly from the .pck files at runtime
14:24 < kkmic> And the converted maps will be shipped with the release OpenApoc or be constructed on the user's computer as needed?
14:24 <@JonnyH> probably shipped
14:24 <@JonnyH> as there are a number of 'bug fixes' we need to add to them :)
14:25 < kkmic> Isn't it better to do something akin to the MCD patches OXC had implemented?
14:25 <@JonnyH> 'caus not all data is in the data files
14:25 < kkmic> As I am all for bug fixing, and all against duplicating data :)
14:25 <@JonnyH> some of it then cross-references tables in the .exe
14:27 < kkmic> Ah.. the old days, when the data files were not enough :)
14:27 < kkmic> And you needed a special handling in the .exe for THAT specific situation ;)
14:28 < kkmic> And THAT, and then ten or more of THAT
14:29 <@JonnyH> A lot of it appears to be simple lazyness
14:30 <@JonnyH> stuff like the base layouts *could* be in a datafile, but instead they're just pasted in the exe
14:30 <@JonnyH> same with the minimap colour for each tilemap
14:30 < Kaljakoppa> By the way, do you already play the animations? The "Smackers"?
14:30 <@JonnyH> "the smackers"?
14:30 <@JonnyH> We have battlescape animations working
14:30 < Kaljakoppa> Intro, etc.
14:30 < Kaljakoppa> Movies
14:30 <@JonnyH> Oh yeah, they work
14:30 < Kaljakoppa> Sorry, not animations indeed
14:30 <@JonnyH> though only the intro is played so far, as you can't 'win' :)
14:32 <@JonnyH> we import libsmacker and it seems to do a good job w/the videos
14:32 < Kaljakoppa> Hmm, I missed it somehow
14:33 < Kaljakoppa> I recently finally reset the environment
14:33 <@JonnyH> a/v sync might not be perfect, though it wasn't great on the old dos version either ;)
14:33 <@JonnyH> not that there's any lip sync or anything you can really notice that with...
14:33 < Kaljakoppa> Yeah, only 6 pixels at the time
14:33 < Kaljakoppa> Video formats have come a long way
14:33 <@JonnyH> Yup :P
14:34 <@JonnyH> It's a block-based huffman encoded paletted format
14:34 <@JonnyH> so MUCH more complex than the flc video used in previous xcoms
14:34 <@JonnyH> but still a step behind something like mpeg2
14:34 < Kaljakoppa> Yeah, I actually read the ffmpeg source for it
14:34 <@JonnyH> which did block motion and DCT
14:34 < Kaljakoppa> Just recently
14:34 <@JonnyH> I was thinking of #including ffmpeg
14:35 <@JonnyH> then we could support ANY VIDEO FORMAT IN THE WORLD!!
14:35 < Kaljakoppa> Even Dungeon Keeper II :)
14:35 < Kaljakoppa> THQ
14:35 <@JonnyH> but the api was more complex, and even crazy modders probably won't be making their own videos...
14:36 < Kaljakoppa> I don't know, there is this guy in CorsixTH that did all the cutscenes again
14:36 < Kaljakoppa> Beautiful stuff, they just didn't include it at the moment
14:37 <@JonnyH> was there a structured cutscene file format?
14:37 <@JonnyH> Or was it like the openxcom w/the disc versions - just hard-coding the slideshow times
14:38 < Kaljakoppa> I think they were some proper video formats, but ffmpeg enables them to change these
14:39 <@JonnyH> huh, they implemented their own iso reader
14:39 <@JonnyH> though considering how much effort physfs turned out to be for us I don't blame them...
14:41 <@JonnyH> creating a Video backend for ffmpeg sounds fun..
14:41 <@JonnyH> I must resist the 'fun but pointless' stuff though :)
14:42 < Kaljakoppa> Yeah, but it is so hard to resist :)
14:42 < Kaljakoppa> Compiling, long timne I haven't seen the intro
14:43 <@JonnyH> I've been circling round completely reworking the equipment stuff to share the vehicle/agent code where possible
14:43 <@JonnyH> pull it off appveyor if you're on wiindows
14:43 < Kaljakoppa> appveyor?
14:43 <@JonnyH> travis doesn't store the output for linux right now (and then it really should be packaged 'properly' for each distro')
14:43 <@JonnyH> a 'free' windows CI system
14:43 <@JonnyH> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/JonnyH/openapoc
14:44 < Kaljakoppa> Oh
14:44 <@JonnyH> if you are on windows, don't use debug
14:44 <@JonnyH> it's too slow to be usable :)
14:44 < Kaljakoppa> I noticed :)
14:45 <@JonnyH> gcc doesn't have that issue
14:45 < Kaljakoppa> x64 releaseeee
14:45 <@JonnyH> we use iterators everywhere, and it likes inserting a *lot* of debug calls
14:47 < Kaljakoppa> Hmm, it didn't show the intro... It says debug mode
14:48 < Kaljakoppa> A flag etc.?
14:48 <@JonnyH> naa, it's a holdover, we don't have anything but 'debug mode' at the moment
14:48 <@JonnyH> It should play before the menu screen, though it's skipped on escape/any click
14:49 < Kaljakoppa> Hmm
14:50 <@JonnyH> it works for me with the appveyor .exe...
14:50 <@JonnyH> It starts with a black screen for a few frames...
14:50 < Kaljakoppa> A local problem perhaps, I compiled it now with VS2015
14:51 <@JonnyH> huh, logerror doesn't throw up dialogs with the appveyor build... weird
14:51 <@JonnyH> or on a local build, guess I broke that on windows :)
14:52 <@JonnyH> oh no, just the 'check for .iso' happens before we create the window...
14:52 <@JonnyH> I guess I'll need to fix that, as that's probably the most common 'error' :)
14:53 < Kaljakoppa> The battlescape is nice though
14:53 <@JonnyH> as not everyone runs their windows programs through a console...
14:53 <@JonnyH> That's all Istrebitel,so get him a beer or something :)
14:54 < Kaljakoppa> Yes, at least on this century
14:54 < Kaljakoppa> Yeah I've been following
14:54 < Kaljakoppa> I'm eager to recruit him to our cause :)
14:54 < Kaljakoppa> Actually I'm super tempted to return to my 3D Apocalypse
14:55 < Kaljakoppa> Now that you have actually popped most of the formats
14:55 <@JonnyH> If you think you can in any way relate the loftemps voxels to 3d models, don't bother...
14:55 < Kaljakoppa> I could create a 3D presentation "easily"
14:56 <@JonnyH> If you still had tile-based movement, switching to 3d would just be a matter of visuals to our TileMap
14:56 < Kaljakoppa> No, I know it will require totally hand made 3D models
14:56 <@JonnyH> most of the game itself is already in '3d space'
14:57 < Kaljakoppa> Yeah, super tempting :) As I already have all night/day cycles etc.
14:57 <@JonnyH> probably don't want to have to deal with palettes there
14:57 < Kaljakoppa> No :) Obviously just for show, never intend to finish
14:57 <@JonnyH> but something like tonemapping could probably generate a decent result
14:57 < Kaljakoppa> Perhaps
14:58 <@JonnyH> Well, I'd better at least pretend to be doing something useful
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15:11 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
15:11 < Istrebitel> I have a strange bug with scroll bars
15:12 < Istrebitel> I am using scroll bars for priming grenades, I've set it to be from 0 to 29.
15:12 < Istrebitel> Wierd thing is, the leftmost position of the slider returns value of 0
15:12 < Istrebitel> I mean, of 1
15:12 < Istrebitel> next leftmost is 0, then 1 2 etc
15:13 < Istrebitel> in the same way, rightmost returns value 28, and next rightmost is 29, then 28 27 etc.
15:13 < Istrebitel> I have no idea what may be happening here
15:15 <@JonnyH`Work> ..how weird
15:15 <@JonnyH`Work> This is a Forms bug I guess?
15:22 < Istrebitel> well probably
15:22 < Istrebitel> I'm not doing anything out of ordinary to that scrollbar
15:22 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure how at first glance...
15:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Don't let that stop you checking it in
15:22 < Istrebitel> I'll push my changes today if they check withtravis
15:22 <@JonnyH`Work> it might be easier to debug with a use case that shows the issue
15:31 < Istrebitel> yes of course
15:31 < Istrebitel> it's not an urgent thing too
15:31 < Istrebitel> btw, how do we draw "black" sprites?
15:31 < Istrebitel> for undiscovered map parts?
15:31 <@JonnyH`Work> you could drawTinted
15:32 <@JonnyH`Work> with a Colour of {0,0,0,255}
15:32 <@JonnyH`Work> that would make any non-transparent pixel black
15:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I might have to add that to the fast-sprite path in the renderer if it's used commonly though...
15:33 <@JonnyH`Work> currently it'll be slower than non-tinted draws
15:34 < Istrebitel> well it iwll be used commonly
15:34 < Istrebitel> and constantly
15:34 < Istrebitel> once I implement vision
15:35 <@JonnyH`Work> it doesn't look too difficult, just adding the tint to the sprite description and doing the mul in the shader
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15:59 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #102: unit group move, proximity and boomeroid triggers, medikits, various fixes (master...master) https://git.io/vPDnb
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16:03 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW Istrebitel - passing in a variable for a format string is normally considered bad
16:04 <@JonnyH`Work> as if you end up with a %special character in that variable string it'll try to read the value off the stack
16:04 <@JonnyH`Work> normally when printing a single string, ("%s", string) is used
16:14 < Istrebitel> ok I'll change
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17:21 < Istrebitel> JonnyH, I've tried implementing drawTinted and everything becomes VERY SLOW
17:22 < Istrebitel> I'll push it tomorrow when I implement line of sight checking for terrain and you will be able to check it out. I introduced a #define DRAW_TINTED that is commented by default. with it, unseen tiles are drawn tinted, without it they are skipped (not drawn)
17:23 < Istrebitel> need to do something  about it. Maybe make a copy of every used sprite, tinted black, so we can just use that?
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll look into adding the drawTinted() path into the sprite batching path in the gles3 renderer
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> as it currently uses a known-slower path
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> so I wouldn't worry about performance of drawTinted() right now as it _will_ be faster soon
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> (using the same path as non-tinted sprites, so should be the same speed)
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> So feel free to push it to pmprog and I'll fixup the renderer on that
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> That wasn't too hard...
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Seems to work in my local testing
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17:53 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vP9zM
17:53 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4bf4f05 Jonathan Hamilton: OGLES3 renderer: Push drawTinted() through fast batching sprite path...
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18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: Let me know if it's still slow
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> or doesn't work w/some other issue :)
18:16 < Istrebitel> okay thanks!
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19:29 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #103: line of sight for tiles, drawn using drawTinted (master...master) https://git.io/vP9yB
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19:29 < Istrebitel> okay here you go
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19:29 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vP9yR
19:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 697e44e IstrebiteI: fixes to logwarnings
19:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 80d93f8 IstrebiteI: tile visibility progress #1
19:29 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ad399b3 IstrebiteI: Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/pmprog/master'
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19:29 < Istrebitel> it's still substantially slowing down
19:29 < Istrebitel> the rendering
19:29 < Istrebitel> you can check it out now
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19:37 < TheSnide> Istrebitel: congrats on your commit access :)
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> oops :)
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> try again
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I left a ->flush()
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> that actually ended up making it always do batches of '1'
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19:43 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d430eaa Jonathan Hamilton: Remove tmp file, format
19:43 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3d985bb Jonathan Hamilton: OGLES3: Remove unnecessary flush() in drawTinted()...
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19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> 160ms render-> 6ms render :)
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20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: That work?
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20:24 < iamasandwich> so many commits lately!
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21:22 < Pawlac> So a new video will be coming soon?
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> As soon as I can find the time to make one
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Which I've been promising for what.. the last 3 months?
21:25 < SupSuper> i can make the video and you talk over it? :p
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> You like my voice that much?
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> half the reason I delay it is I know in just a few more days Istrebitel will have _more_ stuff finished
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> So you should totally take a holiday or something :)
21:26 < SupSuper> well i don't actually know what the hell's been going on
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> lots of battlescape stuff
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> and I've done pretty much nothing...
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> I might have to scan over the git logs since the last video to see what actaully is new
21:26 < SupSuper> i guess we'll have the battlescape done before the core game because that's actually a known feature :p
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> 'known' in that the diffs from openxcom are smallr?
21:30 < SupSuper> yeah the only real mysteries are ai and aiming mechanics
21:30 < SupSuper> the rest is "units fight each other the game"
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> realtime is a bit weird
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> but I think between Istrebitel and Skin36 they figured most of that out
21:34 < Pawlac> hmm oh well, at least you all are doing great job so far
21:46 < Istrebitel> yeaH JonnyH`Work that works, thanks!
21:46 < Istrebitel> now it's quick
21:49 <@JonnyH`Work> :D
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07:07 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: doing a vid even without comment is way more interesting than no vid :)
07:08  * TheSnide represents the whole fanbase that don't say or do anything, but are lurking around trying to grab some "goodies" :)
07:09 < TheSnide> so, just do a vid. post it here only if you don't have time for metadata
07:10 < TheSnide> (ie: legend, changelog, ...)
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15:15 < kkmic> Hey JonnyH
15:16 < kkmic> Looking forward to when OpenApoc will be runnable without mandatory additional CLI parameters
15:16 < kkmic> :D
15:16 <@JonnyH> what params? The cd path?
15:17 <@JonnyH> You could set that in the config file...
15:22 <@JonnyH> I have a plan to pop up a dialog or something that goes 'where's your cd?' if it's not already set
15:23 <@JonnyH> then from then on it'll store that path in the config file
15:23 <@JonnyH> cmdline options are special in that they don't trigger the contents to be written to the config
15:23 <@JonnyH> anything set 'in game' would then persist
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16:56 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vP7fR
16:56 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 81f0ccb Jonathan Hamilton: Ban copying TileObject/StateObject...
16:56 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 1914f00 Jonathan Hamilton: create player 'property' in test_serialize.cpp...
16:56 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 761658d Jonathan Hamilton: Cleanup battle if current_battle is still set in ~GameState...
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18:01 < Istrebitel> I thought it would be hard to implement tile/unit visibility, but it ended up quite easy
18:01 < Istrebitel> done!
18:02 < Istrebitel> Btw, JonnyH, I could make a video if you want, although I do have an accent since I'm russian
18:02 < Istrebitel> and, how's agent inventory going? It hurts having to kill your dudes every time to use items/greanades :P
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Alright, I'm currently adding a ->destroy() hook for all StateObjects<>
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> for the purpose of destroying stuff like 'equipped items', as currently there's a circular ref between Agent->AEquipment
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> and that makes adding/removing equipment annoying
18:04 < Kaljakoppa> Video video!
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> alright, alright...
18:06 < Kaljakoppa> :)
18:06 < Istrebitel> well, equipment stores agent after being removed because we need to know who threw the explosion
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I have no plans this evening...
18:06 < Istrebitel> explosive*
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe a quick one of just the battle scape with the theme "Istrebitel is Awesome!"
18:06 < Istrebitel> I could change that so that BattleItem stores it
18:06 < Istrebitel> ah
18:06 < Istrebitel> actually
18:07 < Istrebitel>  it has to be on the item, and it has to be a different value because we can pick up a primed grenade, have it explode in our inventory and we must credit the one who threw it
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess, instantiated items must have all the state needed to kill someone
18:08 < Istrebitel> to grant xp*
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> also their original owner, you don't get points for 'looted equipment' for something you brought yourself
18:09 < Istrebitel> yes that too
18:09 < Istrebitel> but that's an Organisation not Agent
18:09 < Istrebitel> so we need ownerAgent, and that we clear upon leaving inventory, owner org, one who brought it to the fight, and "user", agent who threw / dropped it
18:10 < Istrebitel> last
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> do boomeroids etc. home on any team? Or just the enemy of the thrower?
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> same with hatching brainsuckers I guess?
18:11 < Istrebitel> they home on any moving unit
18:11 < Istrebitel> within 14 tiles
18:11 < Istrebitel> disregarding los
18:11 < Istrebitel> (so they can hop into walls)
18:12 < Istrebitel> omg I have this code
18:12 < Istrebitel> for (auto &u : u->visibleUnits)
18:12 < Istrebitel> 	{
18:12 < Istrebitel> 		log += format("\n%s", u.id);
18:12 < Istrebitel> 	}
18:12 < Istrebitel> how did it even complie and work????
18:12 < Istrebitel> u is function param
18:13 < Istrebitel> but travis says I'm using "u" before deciding on its type
18:13 < Istrebitel> do different compilers treat it differently?
18:13 < Istrebitel> btw, if you wait half an hour on a video I'll push line of sight so you can showcase that
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> where's that?
18:14 < Istrebitel> battletileview.cpp 1497
18:14 < Istrebitel> but anyways it's just a case of
18:14 < Istrebitel> Foo x; for (auto x: x->bar)
18:14 < Istrebitel> why does VS2015 compile it just fine, while other compilers barf?
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, the 'closer' scope will override
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> might be when type inference of 'auto x' happens
18:15 < Istrebitel> so this should work, right?
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think so
18:16 < Istrebitel> std::vector<int> x = {1,2,3}; for (auto x:x) {/*do something*/}
18:16 < Istrebitel> it works in VS2015
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> clang is ok with it too
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm not sure what the spec says
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's kinda insane, so probably best to avoid it anyway
18:17 < Istrebitel> yeah
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18:18 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #104: unit vision (master...master) https://git.io/vP7Gw
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18:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 1fea737 IstrebiteI: Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/pmprog/master'
18:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 646121b IstrebiteI: unit and map visibility
18:31 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d95e9fa IstrebiteI: Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/pmprog/master'
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18:32 < Istrebitel> I will implement three ownerships we discussed
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18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper
18:51 < SupSuper> hey
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: I also tweaked the maps/ imagepacks/ animationpacks/ directories to be relative to the configured data directory
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> hopefully that makes sense...
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and I added a pass in test_serialize for a 
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> ..GameState with an ongoing battle
18:57 < Istrebitel> yeah it does
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19:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ed73434 Jonathan Hamilton: Add a ->destroy() hook to StateObject<>...
19:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9f88252 Jonathan Hamilton: Remove TMP file
19:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 30b11cd Jonathan Hamilton: Add *.TMP to gitignore...
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19:36 < SupSuper> so is the game done yet? :p
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19:36 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master b63c8a0 Jonathan Hamilton: Mark generated operator!= static inline if not external...
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19:56 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 44bb31d Jonathan Hamilton: reduce test_serialize pass to a single difficulty...
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20:25 < Istrebitel> goddamit tmp files
20:25 < Istrebitel> i search for them and delete them every time
20:25 < Istrebitel> yet they still happen to get into commits?
20:26 < SupSuper> i think clang format generates them sometimes
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess so
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I added *.TMP to gitignore
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> so hopefully they won't get pulled again...
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> game/ui/battle/battleview.cpp:1496:16: warning: unknown escape sequence: '\S'
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: Did you mean "\nSeen units [%d]:"?
21:23 < Istrebitel> where'd that n go? :P
21:24 < Istrebitel> of course
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> i'll fix it
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I have a couple of warning fixes lined up
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I keep forgetting to push stuff to pmprog... :(
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22:07 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master bcc6c2f Jonathan Hamilton: Travis: don't extract data twice...
22:07 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e6f9581 Jonathan Hamilton: Small warning fixes
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14:21 <@JonnyH> hey pmprog :)
14:21 <@pmprog> Hey, how's things?
14:21 <@JonnyH> I'm good
14:21 <@pmprog> Glad to hear
14:21 <@JonnyH> Spend a bit of last night recording a few snippets for a new video
14:21 <@pmprog> I see Istrebitel is making lots of commits
14:21 <@JonnyH> The battlescape is looking pretty impressive now
14:21 <@pmprog> Ooooh, new video :)
14:21 <@JonnyH> Maybe this evening, maybe sat
14:22 <@pmprog> I saw SupSuper has started following me on Twitch, and I half wondered whether it was worth trying to live stream a little bit with some of us on a chat or something... but then I didn't see what that would have above a YouTube video really :)
14:23 <@pmprog> I must admit, I've not had chance to get OpenApoc compiled properly. I ended up removing Linux from the laptop, and barely get on the desktop these days
14:23 <@JonnyH> there are some weirdly popular 'gamedev' streams
14:24 <@JonnyH> like staring at someone poking visual studio is interesting or something
14:28 < Kaljakoppa> Surprised me too
14:28 < Kaljakoppa> There are few guys who stream deving and get a shitload of money in doing so
14:29 <@pmprog> How do they get money for it? I assume adverts? or Patreon or something?
14:29 <@pmprog> But yeah, I've loaded a couple of streams up, but they're usually boring as hell
14:29 <@pmprog> I was more of the "quick overview of the current build", showing what it's capable of and what not
14:29 < Kaljakoppa> You can see the donations live, so it is bound
14:30 <@pmprog> Wow
14:30 < Kaljakoppa> to the Twitch somehow
14:30 <@pmprog> I really should quit my day job, Kickstart a game, and stream the development asking for more money on the way
14:30 < Kaljakoppa> Like this guy: https://www.twitch.tv/soulfoam
14:30 <@pmprog> I'd be a meelllionaire by the weekend
14:31 < Kaljakoppa> Yeah :)
14:41 < kkmic> Hey folks
14:48 <@JonnyH> I've seen a couple of ludum dares or something they recorded then 'compressed' into ~30 mins of fast forward/commentry etc.
14:48 <@JonnyH> hey kkmic
14:50 < kkmic> What's the slums map name? In the battle screen
14:50 < kkmic> *In the select battle map
14:51 <@JonnyH> depends on the city map?
14:52 < kkmic> Noob level
14:52 < kkmic> :D
14:52 <@JonnyH>         <name>Borstal Block</name>
14:52 <@JonnyH>         <name>Campesino Apartments</name>
14:52 <@JonnyH>         <name>Chronos Block</name>
14:52 <@JonnyH>         <name>Civic Project</name>
14:52 <@JonnyH>         <name>Dickens Estate</name>
14:52 <@JonnyH>         <name>George Orwell Block</name>
14:52 <@JonnyH>         <name>Grey Visitor Towers</name>
14:52 <@JonnyH>         <name>Heavenly Towers</name>
14:52 <@JonnyH>         <name>Oliver Twist Block</name>
14:52 <@JonnyH>         <name>Scrooge Mansions</name>
14:52 <@JonnyH>         <name>Thomas More Tower</name>
14:53 < kkmic> Heavenly Towers sounds interesting
14:54 <@JonnyH> pmprog: any luck with building by the way?
14:54 < kkmic> Not seeing any of them in the list
14:55 <@pmprog> JonnyH: As I mentioned before, haven't managed it (mostly due to time, and rebuilding the laptop with Windows)
14:55 < kkmic> I'm looking again
14:55 <@pmprog> I didn't really want to put windows on, but there were too many annoyances with Linux. Mainly the WiFi breaking so frequently
14:56 <@JonnyH> if you don't *need* 100% linux performance, virtual machines are pretty good these days
14:58 <@JonnyH> I wonder how much you will all hate me if I include a 100mb qt dependency just to show a 'select file' dialog :P
14:58 <@pmprog> To be honest, I've considered using a Linux VM on the laptop for some things...
14:59 <@JonnyH> unfortunately wonkey linux drivers means you probably can't use a windows vm on linux..
14:59 <@pmprog> I was also surprised to see that Convoy does run on the laptop in Windows... so clearly there was some GL/graphics driver issue in Linux too
14:59 <@JonnyH> I use that at work, it integrated pretty well with rdesktop so they just show up as 'normal' windows in x
14:59 <@JonnyH> 'caus we *have* to use outlook
15:00 <@pmprog> hehe, yeah, we do too (at work)
15:00 <@pmprog> but from a driver perspective, having the laptop running Windows is miles better, even if I VM out to linux for the nitty gritty
15:03 <@JonnyH> yeah, I did a bit of research to make sure my laptop had decent linux drivers
15:04 <@JonnyH> Apparently it's still not at the point where you can get $ANY_LAPTOP and just expect it to work :(
15:04 <@pmprog> You probably knew what you were looking for though :) The Asus page for my laptop is very vague on what kit is inside
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15:04 <@JonnyH> yeah, I had to pay a little extra to get a 'known good' intel wireless chip
15:05 <@JonnyH> instead of a 'Lenovo Branded Special"
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18:32 < SupSuper> oh no github is down *panic*
18:34 < NoBrain> dns is
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19:19 < Kaljakoppa> It was super slow today
19:19 < Kaljakoppa> GitHub
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Someone's ddosing the provider of their dns in the US
19:22 < SupSuper> yeah seems other random websites are erratic
19:23 < Kaljakoppa> Maybe they saw that I finally coded today
19:23 < Kaljakoppa> And wanted to hinder my work
19:23 < Kaljakoppa> God damnit
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, the masters of the internet sat down this morning and said "You know what will _really_ piss off Kaljakoppa?" :P
19:23 < Kaljakoppa> I believe so :)
19:24 < pmprog_laptop> I heard Amazon was down earlier too
19:24 < SupSuper> seems twitter is down too, not only can't you work, you can't bitch about it either!
19:24 < pmprog_laptop> lol
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I've not noticed any issues here
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess my dns cache has eveything already
19:35 < Pawlac> "I didn't really want to put windows on, but there were too many annoyances with Linux. Mainly the WiFi breaking so frequently"
19:35 < Pawlac> install gentoo
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Pawlac: And now you have 2 problems :P
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> If it's the kernel driver, using a vanilla kernel won't help over ubuntu's (or whatever)
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> the only benefit is they tend to be closer to the head, so have newer fixes
19:37 < Pawlac> I dunno man, the distro I have just werks :=)
19:38 < pmprog_laptop> Is there a live-cd version of Gentoo?
19:38 < pmprog_laptop> Might be worth a test
19:38 < Pawlac> maybe =)
19:38 < pmprog_laptop> How different is Gentoo to Mint?
19:38 < Pawlac> both are a meme
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> it's probably one of the 'closest to upstream' distros
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I run gentoo
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's a bit DIY :)
19:39 < Pawlac> you absolute madman
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: gentoo has a live-cd
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's more a minimal environment to bootstrap local versions
19:40 < SupSuper> 'install gentoo' is definitely a meme
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than a full system
19:40 < SupSuper> never heard anyone meme-ing 'install mint' :p
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I think there are 2 types of linux user - 'I don't care, just install ubuntu' and 'Technically minded'
19:42 < pmprog_laptop> Might be worth trying Gentoo, though having to clean the system again is more time
19:42 < pmprog_laptop> Hmmm, I can't build OpenApoc with VS2013
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> c++11 issues?
19:42 < Kaljakoppa> Was it on the readme.md that you need to use 2015
19:42 < pmprog_laptop> Bah, 2015!? :(
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I moved it to 2015 at the same time as smk videos
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> as 2013 <chrono> was just completely broken
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> readme says "(Tested with Visual Studio 2015 community edition - Visual Studio 2013 is known to fail to build)
19:43 < pmprog_laptop> Oh well, I'll see if CMake will let me build with Codeblocks and Mingw
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> not going to work on win32...
19:44 < pmprog_laptop> Yay, well that was fun
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> (
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> You can install just the build tools
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> and run msbuild
19:44 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: by the time you move to vs2015 we'll be on visual studio vnext :p
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> It's how I build most of the time
19:45 < pmprog_laptop> I did install 2015 at work, because you can install Android tools too
19:46 < pmprog_laptop> So I might stick it on the laptop
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> or just download the build.zip from appveyor :P
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> compilation-by-webservice :P
19:48 < pmprog_laptop> Nar, I'll get 2015, because I'd like to have another play with Android too
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20:34 < pmprog_laptop> Bah, going to take all week to install VS2015
20:35 < SupSuper> could be worse, you could be uninstalling it
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> lol, well, I'm wondering if I should uninstall VS2013
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> but I might just leave it on
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I've never successfully uninstalled visual studio
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> You think you got it
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> but then 6 months later you notice a 'SQL Express edition adaptor classes' hanging around or something
20:39 < SupSuper> yeah they seem to got it down to 1 visual studio but 20 sql servers for some reason
20:41 < pmprog_laptop> Offtopic, has anyone played with Love (the game engine in Lua)?
20:41 < SupSuper> this used to be my dev environment: http://i.imgur.com/AGPOgGp.png
20:42 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: i've heard things. usually good things
20:45 < pmprog_laptop> Cool, I was thinking of having a play with it, see if it's quicker to make some game prototypes than dragging all my C++ code around
20:45 < SupSuper> i'm sure anything is better than C++ for prototyping :p
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> I don't know, I tend to have most of my functions already written in my framework repo... there's plenty of stuff I don't have though
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> especially pathing
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> and the last time I wrote A* it ran faster on my Pandora than my i7 desktop! Which was very confusing
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15:45 < Istrebitel> hmm
15:45 < Istrebitel> In file included from /home/travis/build/Istrebitel/OpenApoc/game/state/battle/battleexplosion.cpp:1:0:
15:45 < Istrebitel>   int depletionRate = 0;
15:45 < Istrebitel>                       ^
15:45 < Istrebitel>   bool damageInTheEnd = false;
15:45 < Istrebitel>                         ^
15:45 < Istrebitel>  BattleExplosion::BattleExplosion(Vec3<int> position, StateRef<DamageType> damageType, int power,
15:45 < Istrebitel> it says depletionrate will be initialised after damageintheend
15:45 < Istrebitel> even though it's initialised BEFORE both in .h and in constructor?
16:05 < SupSuper> in the class declaration you have depletionRate after damageInTheEnd, but in the constructor you have damageInTheEnd after depletionRate
16:05 < SupSuper> since you're using both member initializers and initializer list, one will win out
16:06 < SupSuper> to clarify, "bool damageInTheEnd = false; int depletionRate = 0;" are the member initializers, "depletionRate(depletionRate), damageInTheEnd(damageInTheEnd)" is the initializer list
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16:07 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #105: units auto-turning and auto-attacking, proper item ownership, warning fixes (master...master) https://git.io/vPFpB
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16:07 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #105: units auto-turning and auto-attacking, proper item ownership, warning fixes (master...master) https://git.io/vPFpB
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16:10 < SupSuper> ok i checked the c++ standard and yeah, if you have both member initializers and initializer list, initializer list wins. so i guess it's just warning you in case you didn't intend the different order
16:11 < SupSuper> and the order will follow declarations, not initializer list. c++ is messy :p
16:11 < Istrebitel> oh I see
16:11 < Istrebitel> I was mistaken
16:11 < Istrebitel> they're in different order
16:11 < Istrebitel> I thought they are not
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22:11 < pmprog_laptop> Hmmm, anyone running a Windows build of OpenApoc? If I start a new novice game, I'm just sat with the screen loading (spinning cd)
22:11 < pmprog_laptop> Oh, it finally started
22:11 < pmprog_laptop> Slow as hell on this laptop
22:12 < pmprog_laptop> Ah, iirc debug is always superslow on Windows... will try release
22:12 < SupSuper> yeah loading is slower now because the maps are huge xml :p
22:13 < pmprog_laptop> Can't we just parse the binary files?
22:27 < pmprog_laptop> How do I get into the battlescape?
22:27 < SupSuper> options menu iirc
22:27 < SupSuper> ingame options that is
22:28 < pmprog_laptop> Oh, crash
22:28 < pmprog_laptop> Exception thrown at 0x103F3CD8 (ig75icd32.dll) in OpenApoc.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0x00000520.
22:28 < pmprog_laptop> If there is a handler for this exception, the program may be safely continued.
22:30 < pmprog_laptop> Are there only certain battles that work?
22:32 < SupSuper> paging dr. Istrebitel
22:32 < pmprog_laptop> https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/issues/106
22:32 < SupSuper> i haven't tried the game in forever because the compile times kill me :p
22:33 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, does take a long time
22:33 < SupSuper> i think you need to run the data project at least once
22:35 < pmprog_laptop> Will try that
22:37 < pmprog_laptop> Hmm, says it can't start data.exe as it's not found, yet everything built okay :S
22:37 < SupSuper> i think you just build it, not actually run
22:38 < SupSuper> it's like a shell script because that's how JonnyH`Away rolls :p
22:40 < SupSuper> hmmmm i tried it and just get duplicate tile errors :(
22:41 < SupSuper> this project is reaching open-source levels of obscure configuration :p
22:43 < pmprog_laptop> Got further, now getting a load of "Unimplemented function"
22:44 < pmprog_laptop> Couldn't "limp by" and had to exit
22:45 < SupSuper> i've never seen "limp by" work
22:45 < pmprog_laptop> lol
22:46 < SupSuper> i assume it's just there because it's amusing :p
22:46 < pmprog_laptop> Think my missing function was DrawTinted in OGL20Render
22:46 < pmprog_laptop> Well, I guess if I "limp by" for every render call, it'll work, but I just won't see anything :-)
22:46 < SupSuper> well clearing up my data folder and regenerating fixed it for me
22:48 < SupSuper> don't think we use OGL20Render anymore though... the default should be GLES3.0
22:49 < pmprog_laptop> Well, it was defaulted, because I haven't changed anything. How do you change it?
22:50 < SupSuper> should be in framework.cpp
22:50 < SupSuper> maybe your card doesn't support gles3.0?
22:55 < SupSuper> adding a DrawTinted to GL2 shouldn't be that hard... if openapoc hadn't just crashed my visual studio :p
22:58 < pmprog_laptop> This laptop probably doesn't support gles3
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22:59 < pmprog_laptop> I'll have to try it another time, it's nearly midnight, and well past my bedtime
22:59 < pmprog_laptop> G'night, and see you next time
22:59 < SupSuper> gnight
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15:47 <@JonnyH> Huh, there's a graphics card out there that doesn't support gl3?
15:49 < SupSuper> laptops are weird :p drawTinted is probably not beyond any graphics card anyways
15:49 <@JonnyH> The gl2 backend hasn't really been developed, as nothing I have even uses it...
15:49 <@JonnyH> so even if you add it, it'll be super slow
15:49 <@JonnyH> (relatively slow...)
15:50 < SupSuper> well if it's useless you might as well get rid of it. but clearly there's some need for a fallback
15:51 <@JonnyH> If we're not going to have any more renderer changes
15:51 <@JonnyH> I could invest the time to pull back most of the 'performance improvement' stuff from ogles3
15:51 < SupSuper> you could always fallback to sdl's rendering but it probably doesn't do all the stuff you need
15:51 <@JonnyH> most of it doesn't actually require the fancy new only-10-years-old entrypoints
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18:39 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vPNfG
18:39 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 5338317 Jonathan Hamilton: Format
18:39 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c02f5c7 Jonathan Hamilton: Implement drawTinted for the gl2 renderer...
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19:05 < pmprog_laptop> Hey hey kids
19:06 <@JonnyH> hey pmprog
19:06 <@JonnyH> I added a gl2 drawTinted()
19:06 < pmprog_laptop> Hi there JonnyH
19:06 < pmprog_laptop> Cool :)
19:06 <@JonnyH> and I'm currently trying to make the build less evil on windows
19:06 < SupSuper> lies :p
19:06 <@JonnyH> pch?
19:06 < pmprog_laptop> It was fine when I installed VS2015
19:07 <@JonnyH> and if we stop changing the data format every 5 minutes we can skip the regeneration every build :P
19:07 < SupSuper> pch's are kinda their own evil because while they theoretically improve compile times they also hide include errors
19:08 < SupSuper> also i tried the battlescape the other day and oh gawd there's already basic ai and enemies so every map starts in an audio clusterfuck :p
19:09 < pmprog_laptop> Hmmm, TortoiseGit seems harder to use the TortoiseSVN
19:09 < pmprog_laptop> Git Sync doesn't seem to show the new commits in the project to download
19:09 <@JonnyH> git seems to be impossible to create a good ui for :(
19:10 < pmprog_laptop> Oh, might have worked
19:10 < SupSuper> you have to fetch first if you want a preview of what's coming
19:10 < SupSuper> but after you pull it'll tell you what's new anyways
19:11 < SupSuper> i like tortoisegit but yeah it takes some liberties to conform to the "tortoise way" of doing things that hide some git details
19:11 <@JonnyH> in my experience 'hiding some git details' means 'breaks the way I do things' :(
19:11 <@JonnyH> I guess that means my 'flow' is generally considered bad by other devs: P
19:12 < pmprog_laptop> Don't know. TSVN seemed to flow a lot smoother than TGIT... Though I'm sure I'll get used to it
19:12 <@JonnyH> I played with TGit *way* back and it felt a bit like trying to wedge svn-style repo management into git
19:12 < SupSuper> you can always use visual studio's built-in git tools :p
19:12 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Don't even joke about that :P
19:13 < pmprog_laptop> JonnyH, how's the video you were producing?
19:14 <@JonnyH> gently poking it with a stick :)
19:14 <@JonnyH> I noticed my headset now seems to do a weird buzzing noise
19:15 <@JonnyH> so ordered a new one, I might stick a few clips together to do a voice-over-less battlescape preview anyway
19:16 < SupSuper> just add lots of explosions, they speak for themselves :p
19:17 < pmprog_laptop> Did I see a commit by Istrebitel saying that maps are "collapsable", as in you can blow them to pieces
19:18 <@JonnyH> I've taken my inspiration mostly from https://www.reddit.com/r/michaelbaygifs/top/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/montageparodies/top/
19:18 <@JonnyH> pmprog_laptop: I think so :)
19:19 < SupSuper> alternatively just add some short description subtitles
19:19 < SupSuper> i'd add "or just make gifs" but those can be more annoying to produce than a stream of gameplay :p
19:19 <@JonnyH> I tried using a video editor last night
19:19 <@JonnyH> I got confused and had to have a lie down
19:19 < SupSuper> lol
19:24 < pmprog_laptop> kdenlive is nice IMO
19:24 < pmprog_laptop> Unfortunately, I can no longer use that on my laptop
19:25 < pmprog_laptop> I have just had the pleasure at looking at the battlescape... It's really good
19:25 < pmprog_laptop> I did get a crash as I was quitting
19:25 < SupSuper> yeah i was gonna say, seems the window build is crashing on quitting
19:25 < SupSuper> something about ThreadPool
19:26 < pmprog_laptop> this is in "unwrap_callback" in ogl2 renderer
19:26 < pmprog_laptop> inbetween SDL2 function calls
19:28 < SupSuper> JonnyH: here's how i edit videos :p http://pastebin.com/qXJmS4px
19:28 < pmprog_laptop> Pastebin is currently under heavy load :)
19:28 <@JonnyH> I went straight to the deepend with adobe after effects..
19:28 <@JonnyH> Might have been a bit far :)
19:29 < SupSuper> that's probably a lot saner than what i do, but i can't grog adobe products either
19:29 < pmprog_laptop> Tell you what, I'm so impressed with what you guys have made of OpenApoc :)
19:30 < SupSuper> i take all the credit
19:30 < SupSuper> for poking JonnyH about windows actually existing :p
19:31 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Damn, windows. Forgot about that.
19:31 <@JonnyH> pmprog_laptop: does the gl2 drawTinted() work on your laptop?
19:31 < pmprog_laptop> Yep, it renders battlescape great
19:32 <@JonnyH> I don't actually have a gpu that doesn't support gl3 to test it on...
19:32 <@JonnyH> I did my best to wrap the GL api to not 'accidently' use later features
19:34 < SupSuper> here's the crash on quit i'm getting: http://i.imgur.com/8Ypvoiv.png
19:36 <@JonnyH> 'somewhere in the ~ThreadPool destructor'?
19:36 <@JonnyH> no more than that?
19:36 < SupSuper> here's the stack trace after loading msvc symbols: http://i.imgur.com/clpRZuF.png
19:37 <@JonnyH> oh no, it's looks like it's enqueue-ing a task when the Framework is being destroyed..
19:37 <@JonnyH> ...because the sound backend is still working away :)
19:37 <@JonnyH> I can fix that
19:38 <@JonnyH>  weird I've never see that
19:38 <@JonnyH> Luck I suppose...
19:38 < SupSuper> yeah it looks like there's no longer a threadpool at this point
19:38 <@JonnyH> I think it happened to hit the audio callback when ~Framework() is being destroyed
19:39 <@JonnyH> after it killed the ThreadPool but before the soundBackend
19:39 < SupSuper> ~~multithreading~~
19:51 <@JonnyH> apparently my pch is overflowing some heap so I have to add some magic values to the compiler cmdline
19:51 <@JonnyH> ~~msvc~~
19:52 < SupSuper> told you pch was a bad idea :p
19:53 < SupSuper> also what the hell is going on with travis, all my recent builds keep having one of the machines time out for no good reason: https://travis-ci.org/SupSuper/OpenXcom
19:53 <@JonnyH> and including some headers randomly includes the full windows.h
19:53 <@JonnyH> which clobbers over any namespace with silly #defines
19:56 < SupSuper> time to define WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN
19:57 <@JonnyH> doesn't seem to help with #define max()
19:58 <@JonnyH> I now have the framework project building with a pch..
19:58 <@JonnyH> and it's slower to compile...
19:58  * JonnyH throws toys out of pram
20:01 < SupSuper> :p
20:02 <@JonnyH> on linux it's like 2x faster...
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20:02 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 57ddaa9 Jonathan Hamilton: Avoid crash in SoundBackend at shutdown...
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20:03 < SupSuper> i imagine pch isn't so great when you've got everything in multiple projects
20:03 <@JonnyH> but needs a bit of handholding to get it to work through the buildsystem (IE evil hacks)
20:03 <@JonnyH> I created a pch for each project, which included projects it depends on
20:04 < SupSuper> here's ours, you can see the required order and guards at least: https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/src/pch.h
20:04 <@JonnyH> IE framework_pch.h includeded library/whatever
20:04 <@JonnyH> you also can't #ifdef around the pch include in the .cpp file
20:04 <@JonnyH> as WEIRD STUFF happens
20:04 < SupSuper> the pch should be included by the build system, not the file
20:05 <@JonnyH> ../FI for cl.exe?
20:05 < SupSuper> you can add global includes in the project settings. otherwise WEIRD THINGS happen
20:05 < SupSuper> again, this is why i don't bother :p
20:06 <@JonnyH> in gcc workd
20:06 <@JonnyH> if you have a header.h
20:06 <@JonnyH> it looks for a header.h.gch
20:06 <@JonnyH> and uses that if it matches
20:07 <@JonnyH> feels much easier :P
20:07 < SupSuper> yeah i imagine msvc doesn't put much thought into pch because they're a weird mess
20:07 < SupSuper> even though they're in the default project template, but who uses that :p
20:07 < SupSuper> it does come in useful when i need to globally include stuff in the project, like enabling msvc's weird-ass memory leak detection
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20:10 < SupSuper> for reference, msvc's idea of memory leak detection is enabling some weird-ass macros that redefine the memory allocation primitives
20:10 <@JonnyH> aren't malloc/free extension functions?
20:10 < SupSuper> but it works! but it's a pain in the ass to set up :p
20:10 <@JonnyH> so a LD_PRELOAD on the same binary would work?
20:11 < SupSuper> yeah but c++ uses new and delete, which are keywords, not functions
20:11 <@JonnyH> but they still go to an external symbol on the c++ library
20:11 <@JonnyH> they're not inline or anything...
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20:12 < SupSuper> right, but if it just patches them in post you'll just get reports of "memory leaked somewhere"
20:12 <@JonnyH> memory leaked - allocated at (BACKTRACE)?
20:12 < SupSuper> while the macros let you also get compile-time information like "this memory block that was allocated *here* is now leaking"
20:12 <@JonnyH> Probably all you want
20:12 <@JonnyH> If you have debug symnbols you get file:line?
20:13 <@JonnyH> Maybe the c++abi on windows allows inlining malloc/fre/new/delete whatever :P
20:13 < SupSuper> like i said, i don't know why they do it the way they do it, it just works... eventually :P
20:13 < SupSuper> and now with smart pointers the whole thing is probably moot anyways
20:14 < SupSuper> but it works for good old raw-pointers-are-the-best openxcom!
20:14 <@JonnyH> yeah, as you tend not to get 'leaks' from new/delete, so much as incorrectly released objects/circular dependencies
20:14 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: You use auto_ptr,,,
20:14 <@JonnyH> The worse of both worlds there
20:14 < SupSuper> we don't even use that :P
20:15 < SupSuper> thank god
20:15 <@JonnyH> TBH if you now require a semi modern  c++ compiler, maybe replacing the use of audio_ptr with unique_ptr would work
20:15 <@JonnyH> as IRCC c++17 is planning to remove it completely...
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20:29 < pmprog_laptop> Right, I've whipped up a bit of a frenzy on Facebook saying your video is coming soon JonnyH. Best get on it ;-)
20:29 <@JonnyH> oh no
20:29 <@JonnyH> the pressure
20:30 < pmprog_laptop> hehe. If not, I can always try and record a quick vid, shouldn't be too difficult once I've got OBS reinstalled
20:32 < SupSuper> i think the issue is none of us hve any idea what's been going on and we'll just flailing around trying to find all of Istrebitel's stuff :p
20:32 <@JonnyH> Every time I look new stuff has appeared...
20:33 < pmprog_laptop> Doesn't matter if we don't show everything, as long as people can see that progress is being made, it keeps people interested
20:36 < pmprog_laptop> Oh, I've just seen SupSuper go into Shezen I/O again, so I decided to find out what it is... and it's another Zactronics game... I am sooooo interested
20:37 < SupSuper> doooooooomed :p
20:37 < SupSuper> why work on openapoc when i can work on fake programming games!
20:37 < SupSuper> it's a lot nicer than tis-100, fwiw
20:37 < pmprog_laptop> why indeed
20:37 < pmprog_laptop> Cool
20:38 < pmprog_laptop> Right, I'm off. Take care guys
20:38 < pmprog_laptop> See you soon
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20:38 < SupSuper> cya
20:40 < Istrebitel> well you can look @ trello
20:40 < Istrebitel> I documented my work there
20:40 < Istrebitel> you can see what's marked as done
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20:45 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: It's not a complaint :P
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20:46 <@JonnyH> any playing around 'in game' is always more than a description in trello
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23:57 <@JonnyH> there's nothing like a horizontal/vertical box layout in forms right?
23:57 <@JonnyH> IE I want a control with 2 subcontrols, and I want it to magically size so it will contain both
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00:08 < SupSuper> not really. lists kinda do that... but it'd probably make more sense to move that stuff out to an actual layout thingy
00:11 <@JonnyH> I've gotta go, have a good evening
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23:01 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0043cb9 Jonathan Hamilton: Try to add PCH using cotire to cmake
23:01 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 89a325b Jonathan Hamilton: Tune PCHs a bit...
23:01 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 523d259 Jonathan Hamilton: Disable cotire on sanitize builds...
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08:47 < kkmic> CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:21
08:47 < kkmic> On fresh clone
08:48 < kkmic> BTW, Hi :0
08:48 < kkmic> :)
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11:14 < kkmic> Hey Istrebitel
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17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> kkmic: any other message from cmake?
18:21 < Istrebitel> JonnyH`Work, I found some bug with doodads
18:21 < Istrebitel> I think you introduced the function that removes item from vector, and changed city's doodads to a vector?
18:21 < Istrebitel> It's probably related to that. When you fire in city, wierd things happen now, like no doodads for missiles or just null pointer exceptions. Easiest way to reproduce is to launch an airhawk at some vehicle
18:22 < Istrebitel> it usually fires a "blank" missile and then crashes after firing it's beam weapon
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18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> oh dear...
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> aah, yeah, keeping the previous iterator no longer works for vectors like it did lists/sets
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> so if a doodad::update() removes itself from the doodad list it'll either miss the next one, or crash if it was the last in the list...
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19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, doodad leak something fierce
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19:48 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vXv5k
19:48 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8ca508c Jonathan Hamilton: Fix config options with no section...
19:48 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master da74b4a Jonathan Hamilton: Don't init SDL_VIDEO if not creating a window...
19:48 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9d125f2 Jonathan Hamilton: Just use lists for city::doodads...
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19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems when any projectile hits the scenery it creates some weird circular-dependency that stops the whole city being free'd?
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20:49 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: is not initializing SDL_INIT_VIDEO safe?
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> if you don't use any video calls, yeah
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> might not be particularly well tested though, can't imagine many users of sdl not using it
20:52 < SupSuper> yeah back in sdl1.2 SDL_INIT_VIDEO basically covered the whole backend :p but it might be better now
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, pch on openxcom saves ~25% compilation wall time
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21:33 < SupSuper> ~magic
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06:52 < kkmic> JonnyH`Away, this is the whole message: http://pastebin.com/5PJjBmfu
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14:23 <@JonnyH`Away> kkmic: Ooh, I bet you haven't set CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE
14:23 < kkmic> Hmm... Could be
14:23 < kkmic> Din't had to set it before
14:23 <@JonnyH`Away> No, it should work
14:23 <@JonnyH`Away> it's just a bit 'weird' so I don't test iot
14:24 < kkmic> Yeah, it works once build type is set
14:24 <@JonnyH`Away> "quotes" work too
14:25 <@JonnyH`Away> as ${UNSET_VARIABLE} completely disappears
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14:25 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 155e45f Jonathan Hamilton: cmake: Try to cope with unset CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE
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14:25 <@JonnyH`Away> while "${UNSET_VARIABLE}" is an empty-string
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14:26 < kkmic> It works now
14:27 < kkmic> You know, I *DO* set the CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE as Debug, but only before building, after configuring it once at least - I use ccmake
14:27 < kkmic> Building now
14:28 < kkmic> I have a new video adapter, I'm curious if it will make a difference on the laggy cursor
14:31 < kkmic> Question: when the extractors run after building, where is the data extracted to?
14:34 < kkmic> Nevermind
14:34 < kkmic> Huh, segmentation fault
14:35 < kkmic> Thread 2 "ThreadPool 0" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
14:35 < kkmic> Switching to Thread 0x7fffed7fd700 (LWP 2075)]
14:35 < kkmic> 0x00007ffff25ba989 in ?? () from /usr/lib/nvidia-361/libGLdispatch.so.0
14:35 < kkmic> Not again...
14:36 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, threadpool workers shouldn't be doing anything with the gl driver...
14:39 <@JonnyH`Work> a 'bt' from that would be nice
14:39 <@JonnyH`Work> so see what openapoc call ends up in nvidia's driver
15:10 < kkmic> backtrace?
15:10 <@JonnyH`Work> yup?
15:12 < kkmic> http://pastebin.com/1VDtaLEM
15:12 < kkmic> 60 levels deep :)
15:12 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, so it's a destructor for a Palette..
15:13 < kkmic> I hope it helps... I know what a backtrace is, but it looks gibberish to me :)
15:13 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, yeah I know what's happening
15:13 <@JonnyH`Work> for some reason it's loaded a palette that wasn't used
15:14 <@JonnyH`Work> actually, it was used once, and now all references have been dropped
15:14 <@JonnyH`Work> then the threaded loader loads a new palette, which pushes the previous 'used but no longer referenced' palette out the cache, causing it to be destroyed in the threadpool thread
15:15 <@JonnyH`Work> which then tries to use gl commands as though it was in the render thread...
15:15 <@JonnyH`Work> which doesn't work, as it doesn't have a gl context bound
15:19 < kkmic> Yeah, my thoughts exactly
15:19 < kkmic> :)
15:19 <@JonnyH`Work> It actually affects all gl drivers
15:19 < kkmic> Oh, so not just only me?
15:19 <@JonnyH`Work> it's just all the ones I tested on just go 'You don't have a context! REturn error'
15:19 <@JonnyH`Work> instead of crash -_-
15:20 < kkmic> I see
15:20 < kkmic> Well...
15:20 <@JonnyH`Work> NVidia's driver: Very fast, lots of features
15:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Doesn't work half the time :)
15:20 <@JonnyH`Work> it's a 'real' issue, as even if it doesn't crash it leaks the texture memory
15:20 < kkmic> I asked the internal support guy if I should choose a Nvidia or Ati card
15:20 < kkmic> AMD,
15:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Linux? If you want it to 'work' get intel or amd with the oss driver
15:21 <@JonnyH`Work> if you want it 'fast and featureful' get nvidia
15:21 < kkmic> He said to go with Nvidia, as AMD's Linux support is kinda bad
15:21 <@JonnyH`Work> unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an option for both...
15:21 <@JonnyH`Work> THe AMD open source driver is great :)
15:21 < kkmic> What can I say... I'm the PHP guy :)
15:21 <@JonnyH`Work> If you don't need 100% performance and fine with a opengl feature set a couple of years old get amd
15:21 <@JonnyH`Work> (or intel, as I said :)
15:21 < kkmic> I *HAD* to take his word for granted :D
15:22 <@JonnyH`Work> NVidia's binary driver really is better for 'gaming' or high performance stuff
15:22 <@JonnyH`Work> but binary drivers never quite integrate as well into linux as open-source ones
15:22 <@JonnyH`Work> and the open-source nvidia one is _terrible_
15:23 <@JonnyH`Work> As I work on mobile stuff, I don't _need_ top end performance or features, so I'm fine with the open-source drivers
15:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Plus I personally like 'voting with my wallet' for pro-open-source stuff - AMD hires devs to work on their open source driver, Intel hires devs for the same, nvidia do not
15:25 <@JonnyH`Work> It'
15:25 <@JonnyH`Work> .It's probably ironic that I would never run a binary driver
15:26 <@JonnyH`Work> but my day job is working on exactly that...
15:26 < kkmic> :)
15:48 < kkmic> GTG, hope that BT helps
15:49 < kkmic> Have fun!
15:49 <@JonnyH`Work> yea,h I know what's going on
15:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I just need to write code... thanks :)
16:36 < TheSnide> does sdl works with dos ?
16:36 < TheSnide> it be ironic to have openapoc in dosbox ;+)
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> sdl1 did
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> but sdl2 doesn't IIRC
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> and good luck finding a dos opengl driver...
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> not that apoc ever really ran on 'dos'
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> the dos 'extenders' effectively provided a new OS
16:41 < TheSnide> indeed, by dos i meant dos4gw
16:43 < TheSnide> but was more a strike of.humor than a real question. thx for.answering genuinly anyway !
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> we could probably make a sw renderer, and nothing else 'requires' anything not possible on dos
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but it would probably be a lot less efficient than the 'native' dos version, due to a lot of the design decisions we've been making have been assuming more modern platforms
16:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Like we're a *lot* less efficient, but that comes with increased flexibility for mods etc.
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18:53 < pmprog_laptop> Hi kids
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> hey that weird uncle you only ever see at christmas
18:55 < pmprog_laptop> Is it Christmas already? ;-)
18:56 < pmprog_laptop> What's my present? A completed OpenApoc?
18:57 < SupSuper> blink and Istrebitel will probably have completed the battlescape
18:59 < SupSuper> https://trello.com/c/B1jEApjJ/36-battlescape-logic
18:59 < pmprog_laptop> Who's blink???
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19:09 < pmprog_laptop> oh never mind... I was just being dumb
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel's extreme productivity has started the rumour that it's just a front for a team of programmers
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> we have tentatively named one 'blink'
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> oh god everything is on fire at work...
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> the worst thing is nothing is really in what I should be looking after
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> but I end up getting dragged in just 'caus I'm in the same timezone...
19:13 < pmprog_laptop> Literally on fire?
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> well.. no...
19:15 < pmprog_laptop> You know, we had a fire at our workplace quite a few years ago... and I was on a day off in Liverpool and missed it! :/
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> did someone take your stapler?
19:15 < pmprog_laptop> Don't know, I wasn't there ;-)
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> and good alibi there ;)
19:16 < pmprog_laptop> I know... but it was a bit gutting to miss it... The workplace was always boring, so some excitement and I miss it
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14:55 < Kaljakoppa> For heaven's sake... your next progress video is going to be the final, 1.0 release video
14:56 < Kaljakoppa> Judging by the progress
14:56 < Kaljakoppa> The trello board
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17:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Kaljakoppa: That's half a result of how long it takes me to put the videos together as fast progress...
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20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> So I decided to profile the debug extractor.exe on windows to see what it's doing
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> currently 35 minutes and still not finished.... :(
20:02 < pmprog_laptop> I assume you've checked it's not locked up or stuck in an infinite loop :-)
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> it's still 100% cpu...
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> and the release version finished fine
20:03 < pmprog_laptop> crazy
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> done! - 40:29
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I can see why you poor sods on windows don't like my code...
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> oh boy it won't even let me see the whole profile in one go...
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm giving up, it's been 'preparing threads' for 20 mins now and not shown me any actual profile...
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll fire up my slightly larger laptop...
20:24 < SupSuper> time to profile the profiler
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> -_-
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess my faster laptop is faster
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> only 17 mins there
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> ...it's spending _how long_ in boost::format?
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> I take it that it's a long time?
20:48 < SupSuper> ~~templates~~
20:50 < SupSuper> or it might just be streams being streams, i never stress-tested them
20:51 < SupSuper> "C/C++ text to number formatting is very slow. Streams are horribly slow but even C number parsing is slow because it's quite difficult to get it correct down to the last precision bit."
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it's more ~~templates~~
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> as in it's mostly just string insertion...
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> "%s%s", str1, str2
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> for the 'big' users...
20:55 < SupSuper> apparently variadic templates can be slow if the recursion isn't optimizable
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess if you disable optimisations for the debug build it'll hit that...
20:56 < SupSuper> you could try having non-variadic versions for the simple cases and see what happens
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> or just go 'debug is slow'?
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> If it was just a single hot function/file we could #pragma optimize?
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> are you really going to be debugging _into_ boost::format?
20:57 < SupSuper> *shrug*
20:59 < SupSuper> not like i debug anything with your lousy code :p
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> that's 'caus it doesn't need debugging!
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> It needs a priest...
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15:06 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/10/26/recommendations-to-speed-c-builds-in-visual-studio/
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14:34 <@pmprog> Computers are stupid
14:38 <@SupSuper> can't argue with that
14:39 <@pmprog> I can't run Windows Update on my laptop. All fixes seem to require installling KBs. However, when I run the offline installs they all hang on "Searching for installed updates"
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17:51 < TheSnide> pmprog: \o/
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18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> ~o~
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19:48 <@pmprog> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻�┻
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20:12  * TheSnide just wanted to say "hi" :)
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20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Kinda in table flipping territory myself though
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> ssd died in my pc over the weekend :(
20:22 < pmprog_laptop> :-(
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I had a spare, but had to re-install windows etc.
20:24 < pmprog_laptop> Wasted time though
20:25 <@SupSuper> 2spooky4work
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> and it *completely* died, didn't even enumerate to get anything off
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> most hdd failures I get are 'gradual'
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> but it was getting pretty old, ~6 years is a long time for a ssd I guess
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> as my 'windows/linux' root disk all that time
20:29 <@SupSuper> i should replace my ssd, this thing can barely hold my windows dev environment!
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> ~120gb was pretty tight :)
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I got a second 512gb one for my steam partition & home partition
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> so now I'm at the weird position where my laptop has more space than my desktop
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> (it has both a m.2 and sata ssd :)
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> gotta say the 950pro m.2 is pretty nice in that :)
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> And I'm tempted not to get a replacement, as my snb-based desktop is starting to get to the point of 'worth replacing'
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> and then I expect the new board will have m.2 too
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> ..but it does overclock like something else :)
20:32 <@SupSuper> http://i.imgur.com/oRCkaIR.png look at those GBs go
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> you're missing visual studio 13
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> and honestly, 32-bit applications? In 2016?
20:36 <@SupSuper> :p
20:37 <@SupSuper> i think there is 64-bit office but it's a pain to figure out which is which on msdn
20:38 <@SupSuper> in fact i'm pretty sure the only 64-bit programs are microsoft
20:38 <@SupSuper> *programs i have
20:38 <@SupSuper> oh and openttd :p
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> oss probably are 100% 64-bit now
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> no firefox/chrome?
20:39 <@SupSuper> i don't wanna give my browser enough ram to hang itself with :p
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> heh, your 'windows kits' alone takes more space than my whole workstation's linux root
20:40 <@SupSuper> i'm sure if i install the android sdk again it'll exceed all of them combined
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, my android roots are in my /home :)
20:41 <@SupSuper> oh anything with plugins is also a no-go for 64-bit
20:41 < pmprog_laptop> My Android SDK on this laptop is 2.8GB, and that's only a couple of "versions"
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I have.... 440gb on android on this :)
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> Libre Office is only 446MB, so maybe you should ditch Office ;-)
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, but you probably have source code and all sorts of debug libraries
20:43 <@SupSuper> i've never opened anything successfully in Libre Office
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, some 20 live builds of different version/platform combinations
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: I've never successfully opened anything in office :)
20:43 <@SupSuper> all i need office for is opening other people's office stuff, so fat chance they're using libre office as well :p
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I have office 2010, my co-worker has 2015
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> keeps exploding the formatting...
20:43 < pmprog_laptop> To be perfectly honest, I don't mix the two, and I only use Libre at home, so don't have any compatibility issues
20:44 <@SupSuper> also gotta keep flexing this ~~msdn~~ while it lasts
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: It's what I did, I ended up with like 2x student msdn logins
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so the day before they expired I got the keys for *everything* I could
20:45 <@SupSuper> even msdos 6.0?
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> it only went back to win98 IIRC
20:47 <@SupSuper> so did you get my links?
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> what links?
20:48 <@SupSuper> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/10/26/recommendations-to-speed-c-builds-in-visual-studio/
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm... I think the pch is the only one of those we don't already set?
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> wtf is #import?
20:50 <@SupSuper> com stuff
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> oh..
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> so pch is the only one we don't already use? :P
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I might fixup the cmake builds on windows, as I think cotire should fix that too..
20:51 <@SupSuper> well since you said PCHs were making it slower it might explain why
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe, but it was withing ~error~
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> It's kinda hard to make 'reproducable' builds with msbuild, doesn't seem to be a -j1 equivalent
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> so I often get pretty different build times based on ~spooky thread magic~
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> and that was just 1 project (framework/)
20:53 <@SupSuper> it doesn't help that we have a whole bunch of different projects :p
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume using the pch for more files would increase the benefit
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> At least some of it is due to the boost nuget integration exploding if you go near it with a pch, so had to turn it off for those files
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> and it was about then I threw my hands up in the air
20:55 <@SupSuper> that's why i haven't touched openapoc in ages
20:55 <@SupSuper> oh and what's wrong with glFlush? :p
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> it's still faster to build from scratch than openxcom :P
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> glFlush at best does nothing
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> at worst stops the driver being able to batch stuff
20:56 <@SupSuper> so why's it there?
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> that's what I was asking :P
20:56 <@SupSuper> i mean in the api
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> For when doing asynchronous opengl over a network or something
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> It's like *really* oldschool stuff
20:57 <@SupSuper> huh
20:57 <@SupSuper> well if you wanna look over the opengl be my guest. all it has to do is... uh... blit a dynamic texture on screen?
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> with a shader/scale :P
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can't just glCopyTexSubImage
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> (or glBlitFramebuffer in 'newer' opengl)
20:58 < pmprog_laptop> I really should try and learn GL/GLES
20:58 <@SupSuper> hey none of this newer opengl talk. we still have to support the radeon 9500 :p
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> the 9500 will support gl2.1 fine
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> which is 'new enough' :P
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> to have the 'new' function entry points
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> It just didn't remove the old way of doing things yet...
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> that was ~3.1 or so
20:59 <@SupSuper> i mean i'm pretty sure it doesn't run most shaders, but it's the principle of the thing
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, you're not doing *that* much in the shaders... It'll run pretty much anything
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> what it lacks is fp32 textures/framebuffers (required for gl3) and integer registers (3.1?)
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I doubt either are used in openxcom's scalers :P
21:00 <@SupSuper> http://openxcom.org/bugs/openxcom/issues/449
21:02 <@SupSuper> so that's basically my lowest of the low bars :P but if there's any obvious dumb things in the opengl code, feel free to clean it up. i wouldn't bother fixing the shaders though as they are just sourced online
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I have a 9600 somewhere, IIRC that's the same chip but a bit faster...
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> and tell that guy to use r300g, they fixed a *lot* of the shader stuff in the gallium driver :)
21:16 <@SupSuper> the 9600 was the bee's knees. i remember mine lasted a long while
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC the rs600 he's using in that bug was actually r400 class...
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> which should give you ~32 temp registers
21:22 <@SupSuper> https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/bin/common/Shaders/HQ2x.OpenGL.shader probably a bit much?
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> ...only if the shader compiler shat the bed
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21:35 < pmprog_laptop> Bah, it's so hard to mix dev environments neatly
21:36 < pmprog_laptop> Also nice to know Code::Blocks on Linux, when you have Stack-based tab switching, it doesn't work
21:36 < pmprog_laptop> Works on the Windows build though
21:39 < pmprog_laptop> Can't get CMake to work on Windows with Code::Blocks or Mingw either
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> cmake on windows just feels like trying to hammer a square peg into round hole...
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> not tried the mingw integration though
21:40 < pmprog_laptop> Well, my mingw installed alongside Code::Blocks
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> as in does it use make from mingw?
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> or generate vcxproj files just linking to gcc not cl.exe?
21:41 < pmprog_laptop> Well, your Cmake options are: Mingw make, CodeBlocks Mingw make, and Visual Studio
21:41 < pmprog_laptop> But it keeps complaining about missing libs and stuff
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> guess the non-cl.exe integration in msbuild it too new to make it into cmake yet?
21:41 < pmprog_laptop> It's a shame you can't use VS compiled libs with mingw
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, ms refused to document their library/pdb formats
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC they recently documented pdb, so that *may* change
21:42 <@SupSuper> mingw can die in a fire as far as i'm concerned :p
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> though IIRc the initial review was that the format was an abomanation unto god
21:42 < pmprog_laptop> That said, I think I still prefer VS over Code::Blocks... Esp when stack-based tabs don't work on Linux :(
21:43 < pmprog_laptop> Though CB does have some benefits
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW can I just state for the record I hate haloween in the US?
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> We had a 'party' in the office on friday
21:45 <@SupSuper> hope you got your candy stocked :p
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> so some damn kids appeared
21:45 < pmprog_laptop> If you want, I'll state for the record I hate Halloween everywhere
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I thought 'I don't really *get* it, but I'll join in, have some chocolate in a bowl at my desk and hand it out'
21:45 < pmprog_laptop> Now, Helloween I can get behind ;-)
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I wander off for a meeting for ~30 mins
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> come back to a completely empty bowl....
21:46 <@SupSuper> i'm pretty sure that happens even when it's not halloween :p
21:46 < pmprog_laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOAl0enE7kI
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> currently going through a doom metal phase myself :)
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Guess it's not helping my mood...
21:47 <@SupSuper> everyone knows it's the company's desk, so food on your desk is the company's as well
21:47 < pmprog_laptop> Name some bands? I lost track of all these genres years ago
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> it was a *big* bowl dammit...
21:48 <@SupSuper> also correct me if i'm wrong, isn't halloween *only* in the us?
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> You could totally use it to dress up as a spaceman and everything
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> It was a bit in the UK too
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> but seemed a little regional - like we didn't really do anything (Leicestershire village)
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> but we had a big bonfire night
21:49 <@JonnyH`Work> some kids went around trick-or-treating, but it was more they dressed up and went round a friends house
21:49 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, Guy Fawkes is more important here :-)
21:49 <@JonnyH`Work> not 'knocking on everyone's door and expecting chocolate' like they do here
21:51 < pmprog_laptop> Right, think I need to go to bed. Can barely keep my eyes open after several nights of lack of sleep and vomiting...
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> night
21:51 < pmprog_laptop> g'nihjt
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21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> and vomiting through your eyes doesn't sound fun...
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16:29 <@JonnyH`Work> heh, evil_in on #openxcom really should learn how to use git...
16:32 <@pmprog> Maybe I should too ;-)
16:34 <@JonnyH`Work> It should be a requirement of primary education - everyone should know how to use git by at least the age of 11!
16:35 < SupSuper> he knows, he just doesn't like it :p
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> but still... a webpage of patches??
16:36 < SupSuper> it's hard to convince anyone to start managing branches for every little thing...
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> but creating a branch is like 1/2 a second...
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug* whatever...
16:37 < SupSuper> says the man with 100 branches :p
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I know I kinda avoid branches at work
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> as in p4 it's annoyingly difficult...
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> 134 I think you'll find, SupSuper
16:41 <@pmprog> I must admit - branches are still one of the things I'm not entirely into
16:42 <@pmprog> Maybe I should try them more often, but I tend to just like my "current state" of the project
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I use them for 'work in progress' or 'crappy little test'
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I rarely work on more than one branch at a time
16:43 < SupSuper> yeah i think the issue is most people like juggling multiple fixes and constantly switching context is a pain
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> if it's not a 'single feature' or something it's probably not a decent fit for a branch, no
16:44 < SupSuper> if you're using a branch for a long-term diversion, sure it's nice, but if you need to keep switching back and forth it's a hassle
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> no point creating a branch for 'misc fixes'
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> and git rebase is some crazy magic :)
16:44 < SupSuper> well for git pull requests you need a branch per little fix :p
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I find his 01_voxelcheck.patch interesting TBH
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> it feels like it's working around failed inlining of _save->getTile()
16:46 <@JonnyH`Work> as a recalculating the 'tile' ptr shouldn't be much more expensive than keeping a local copy...
16:46 < SupSuper> i think _save->getTile is already inlined?
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> 'inline' keywork is just a hint
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> not a guarantee
16:47 < SupSuper> well it's in the header anyways
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> you'll probably get more speedup from making_tiles a dense array of Tile objects instead of an array of pointers...
17:04 < SupSuper> heresy
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenXcom/tree/WIP/dense-tile-array
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> something like that...
17:23 < SupSuper> ewwww, c++11 :p
17:28 < SupSuper> i feel it's fixing a needle in a haystack, since literally everything in openxcom is raw pointers
17:28 < SupSuper> but i guess tiles are a hotspot?
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I dunno what use case/profiler volutar was using for comparison
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> but it might be interesting to compare
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> it *should* be much friendlier on the cache...
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> And the only c++11 is the std::vector<>.data() backdoor :)
17:31 < SupSuper> and emplace
17:31 < TheSnide> is there some perf issue in xapoc ?
17:32 < SupSuper> the only perf issue in xapoc is that JonnyH`Work hates windows :p
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> windows on debug mode == hell
17:32 < TheSnide> i mean, how can the remake of an 10y old game be a perf hog ? :-p
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH I have no idea why I'm not discussing this on #openxcom...
17:32  * TheSnide loves to plain the naive devil
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, he left...
17:33 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: don't even let volutar see c++11 or he'll have another fit
17:33 < TheSnide> oh, openxcom
17:33 < SupSuper> he's proud of his vs2008 or whatever he uses
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I can change that for an .insert() if you want
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> but you get a copy
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> which probably isn't the worse thing in the world
17:34 < TheSnide> hmm, btw, did anyone get apoc compiling on osx ?
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> nope
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> The cmake stuff *might* work
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> but never been tested, so I assume not :P
17:34 < SupSuper> we can't even get openxcom compiling on osx :p
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> How to build on osx:
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> 1. Install a virtual machine
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> 2. Setup linux or windows in that
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> 3. Use a real OS
17:35 < SupSuper> i guess you have better chances than us with sdl1.2
17:35 < TheSnide> i saw a page about it in the forum, but from 2014
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> oxc or oapoc/
17:36 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: meh, that's plain cheating ;-)
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> really, if you install the gnu tools it *should* work...
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure if pkgconfig works with whatever package manager osx people use (brew?)
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> but you can always set the CMAKE_VARIABLES_STUFF_ directly
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18:55 < TheSnide> i was thinking on leveraging brew
18:55 < TheSnide> oh,yes, that one
18:56 < TheSnide> cmake... something new to learn
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> it seems to have become pretty much the 'standard c++ build system'
18:59 < SupSuper> i think everyone on mac uses either brew or macports
18:59 < SupSuper> god help you if you actually use xcode :p
19:00 < TheSnide> xcode ? what's that ? :p
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC it's some kind of terrible program you are forced to use if you want to make any iphone apps
19:00 < TheSnide> i mean, osx is just gnu with an nice GUI, right ?
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> TheSnide: no it's not. Very not.
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a 'unix' in the tecnical sense, but not gnu
19:01 < SupSuper> don't dare mention gnu to bsd people :p
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, both of then get pretty pissy when you do
19:01 < SupSuper> same if you bring up linux...
19:02 < SupSuper> (if you wonder why all our site terminology uses unix-like)
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I think you mean gnu/linux?
19:02  * JonnyH`Work goes off to find copypasta :)
19:02 < SupSuper> i mean pile/shit
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> All OSs are terrible
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> but in slightly different ways
19:03 < SupSuper> at least windows is terrible in non-political ways :p
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> I wouldn't go that far...
19:05 < SupSuper> fine, non-political-fanbase ways
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> It's the one people accept as a 'I can't be bothered to care default'
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> which is fine
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> as you don't get the 'personal attack' of having thought about reasons, and not agreeing with your own choices :)
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> As it's clear I'm right and everyone else is wrong, if only they realised the same things I did
19:08 < SupSuper> i can put "windows" on my site without pitchforks, but any kind of distro and/or kernel is grounds for fanbasing
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, you have a debian package and someone would whine "Debian sucks, Arch is much better!" or whatever :P
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> as if adding support for DISTRO_A is a specific snub against DISTRO_B
19:14 < SupSuper> a package? what is this, 2005, why aren't you putting it in the ppa of every debian-derived distribution???
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> ppa is an ubuntu invention, not a debian one
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> how dare you mis-distro me!
19:15 < SupSuper> oh no
19:15 < SupSuper> so wait, what is the debian repository called then?
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> errm... a deb?
19:15 < SupSuper> i mean the place that holds all the debs
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think they have the same 'central repository of 3rd party packages' thing going on
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's 99% crap anyway...
19:17 < SupSuper> i bet the ubuntu ppa still has the same broken sdl_gfx...
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> probably...
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> all I know is the gentoo git ebuild works fine
19:22 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: well, i mostly overrided all the bsd cli that came from osx with their brew counterpart
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> My experience with macos is pretty much zero...
19:28 < TheSnide> well, mine is "company made it mandatory", so...
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> The last time I used a mac was a powerbook g4
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Puts an age on it :)
19:28 < TheSnide> yup
19:32 < TheSnide> hmmm... xcomapoc.iso ... can i use the real CD ?
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> not right now for the build...
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> That's more an oversight (and testing with FILE_EXISTS()) than any hard requirement
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> you could just dd the cd to an .iso
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> actually, I think I make it only use EXISTS()
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> so setting CD_PATH to the mount point should work
19:34 < TheSnide> meh... did that, have a bin/cue now... /facepalm
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I've never tested it with a cd though :)
19:34 < TheSnide> ok, converted :)
19:35 < TheSnide> bah, i don't want to test fancy stuff... and having bin/cue is always more convenient that waiting for the CD to spin up :)
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> setting the path to the cue file should work
19:35 < TheSnide> bah, i converted it to data/cd.iso
19:35  * TheSnide doesn't want to try too many fancy things at once
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> though again it's only tested with the specific cuefile shipped by gog.com
19:36 < TheSnide> err.. you hinted it to buy it on steam :'(
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> and had a number of limitations (the .cue file has lots of weird options that *could* happen, but I've personally not seen multi-track cds or similar, but they could exist)
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> I think either should work
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, the .cue file shipped with gog works still
19:42 < TheSnide> ok, i have my own .cue =)
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> It might work with that
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Like I said, the .cue file format technically allows all kinda of weird formats etc.
19:42 < TheSnide> yeah, .cue is like mkv :)
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19:56 < TheSnide> my current issue is with libunwind
19:56 < TheSnide> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27842377/building-libunwind-for-mac
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> if you disable the BACKTRACE_ON_ERROR option
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> it should no longer require libunwind
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> might be easier -_-
20:03 < TheSnide> thx.
20:03 < TheSnide> now cannot create target "format-xml-_Users_snide_src_private_OpenApoc_data_common_patch_gamestate_xml"
20:03 < TheSnide> because another target with the same name already exists
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> did it not find 'xmllint'?
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, do you have 2 files that only differ by case?
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> also setting XMLLINT_COMMAND to an empty value might avoid that
20:10 < TheSnide> dunno, it's a fresh git clone
20:11 < TheSnide> $ ag XMLLINT_COMMAND
20:11 < TheSnide> CMakeCache.txt
20:11 < TheSnide> 456:XMLLINT_COMMAND:PATH=/usr/bin/xmllint
20:11 < TheSnide> seems to find it
20:12 < TheSnide> anyway.. time's up. coming back next time.
20:12 < TheSnide> thx !
20:26 < pmprog_laptop> Just uploading a quick video to YouTube
20:32 < pmprog_laptop> https://youtu.be/vfZlxqow6gQ
20:35 < SupSuper> damn now i can't show off openapoc on my stream ;p
20:36 < pmprog_laptop> Oh, do you want me to hide the video for a bit?
20:36 < pmprog_laptop> When are you streaming?
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> extra life?
20:38 < SupSuper> next weekend
20:38 < pmprog_laptop> Do you want me to hide it for now?
20:38 < SupSuper> lol don't worry about it, i doubt anyone will be paying attention :p
20:38 < pmprog_laptop> You can still stream it
20:38 < pmprog_laptop> Do you know when you're live? I'll try and tune in.
20:39 < SupSuper> probably all of saturday: http://openxcom.org/2016/10/extra-life-2016/
20:39 < pmprog_laptop> Your stream will probably be better than my quick video because you can talk about what's in there, rather than a quick demo of me getting shot :-)
20:42 < SupSuper> i think that accurately sums up the x-com experience
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> lol
20:42 < SupSuper> damn i haven't seen turn-based mode in ages... infidels :p
20:44 < pmprog_laptop> I really hate the modern web. extra-life.org has dozens of scripts running from all sorts of domains. What is wyxi.net? and why should it be there? :-(
20:45 < pmprog_laptop> Interesting note, on the OpenApoc facebook page: 97% of fans are Male, and 2% are Female...
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> Are the remaining 1% Psimorphs?
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> As high as 2%?
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> Apparently so, and our biggest age range is 25-34yo
20:47 < pmprog_laptop> I guess that's "you're old enough to appreciate the games, but young enough to have time to play them" :-)
20:48 < SupSuper> i seem to have the same stats
20:50 < pmprog_laptop> Well, yeah, duh... Where do you think most of our fans came from :-P
20:50 < SupSuper> space?
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> ..russia?
20:51 < pmprog_laptop> Actually USA is top, followed by UK, then Germany
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, interesting
20:52 < SupSuper> the crazy people that actually use facebook: http://i.imgur.com/Uy87b6a.png
20:55 < pmprog_laptop> You know, I've still not tried TFTD in OpenXcom. How's compatibility these days?
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> pretty good
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I played it last week sometime
20:56 < SupSuper> yogscast got their ass kicked in TFTD, so i'd say works as advertised :p
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it's 'complete' right?
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Huh, I thought it was easier than I remembered...
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Only 'middle' difficulty though...
20:56 < SupSuper> well they played on superhuman...
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Plus 'cheats' of unlimited-ammo gauss...
20:56 < SupSuper> yeah it's feature-complete, just all the niggling bugs that volutar keeps going on about
20:57 < SupSuper> that no human actually notices :p
20:57 < pmprog_laptop> Cool. I'll have to get it set up.
20:58 < pmprog_laptop> I've just been watching some C64 demos from X2016, and bloody hell, they put my "modern pc" code to shame
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> demos are always fun :)
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I spend a while doing 4k stuff
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> wrote my old elf linker and asm-compression stub
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> but got kinda bored as it turned into 'what interesting effects can you fit into a shader' instead of 'real' code :P
21:00 < pmprog_laptop> You don't have shaders on a C64 ;-)
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, I guess saying 'old machine', or 'no system libraries' or something would avoid a lot of that
21:07 < pmprog_laptop> I'm looking forward to the MEGA65, not just for me, but for my son. But I sometimes wonder if I'm just being a bit silly in that respect
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, looks cool
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> The barrier to entry for 'playing with a little code' has got much larger since that era of personal computers
21:08 <@JonnyH`Work> and I think we missed something along the way...
21:08 < pmprog_laptop> I agree, and especially the instant on-into BASIC
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I never had 'instant on;
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> but a 386 with qbasic was pretty much as good :)
21:09 < pmprog_laptop> Well, that's also one of the things, that makes me think I'm being a bit silly, the editor for QBasic is miles better than the C64/C65
21:10 < pmprog_laptop> It supports copy/paste, numberless lines with labels, variables with more than two characters etc.
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> and msvc is miles better than the ediutor for qbasic
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's still more complexity :)
21:10 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, so it's where to draw the line to get him interested
21:11 < pmprog_laptop> Of course, he might not want to be, so I won't force him, but I would like to let him play as I did
21:20 < pmprog_laptop> In my many project ideas, I've been thinking about building my own "8 bit computer" in FPGA, but then I was thinking I'd have to make my own compilers etc.
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, I got about halfway though a llvm backend
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> for my own craptacular instruction set
21:25 < pmprog_laptop> I was thinking of trying to write a Gameboy core for either of the two FPGA boards I had, then possibly "extend" it so it had keyboard support etc.
21:26 < SupSuper> at least you're not the guy that devised an (incredibly contrived) way of writing c++14 for a z80
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: That sounds like a pretty good idea...
21:28 < pmprog_laptop> Was there a vid uploaded to YouTube not long ago about that? Sounds a bit familiar
21:29 < pmprog_laptop> TBH, I like using the C compiler cc65 for the Commodore64... but that's because I can't really remember my 6502 opcodes ;-)
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH I like using a C compiler
21:31 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus I'm not grade-a insane
21:34 < pmprog_laptop> That's debatable
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't have time to write asm
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm too busy rewriting core parts of the system for no good reason
21:48 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: yeah it was a talk in cppcon or something
21:48 < SupSuper> but the amount of clairvoyance you needed to get the c++ to compile down into the exact asm you needed was insane
21:49 < SupSuper> ah my mistake, it was a c64: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBkNBP00wJE
21:49 < SupSuper> but i guess cppcon is basically all about incredibly contrived solutions :p
21:50 < pmprog_laptop> I'll be honest, looking at some of the C++ used even in OpenApoc and don't "get" some bits
21:50 < pmprog_laptop> I'd love a native C# compiler
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> like mcs?
21:51 < SupSuper> there is native cross-platform c# but it's pretty bare
21:52 < SupSuper> the whole appeal of c++ is the crazy amount of libraries available :p
21:52 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, I guess I just have got used to managed code and find it very useful
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, there are good things to be said with GC and stuff like that
21:52 < pmprog_laptop> C# also doesn't need function prototypes
21:53 < SupSuper> i don't mind c++ but i do mind the koolaid
21:53 < pmprog_laptop> and crazy includes and #pragma once
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> c++ modules has been promising to fix that for years...
21:53 < SupSuper> i'm sure we'll have c++ modules eventually... and lose all library support
21:54 < pmprog_laptop> Meh, we'll all be coding python before long ;-)
21:55  * SupSuper shudders
21:55 < pmprog_laptop> or maybe even javascript
21:55  * pmprog_laptop has chills
21:56 < SupSuper> ah yes the all powerful webasm
21:57 < pmprog_laptop> hmmm, maybe I should grab his c64 c++x17 compiler and rewrite SuperJumpKickTurbo64 with it.
21:58 < pmprog_laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMhorlxntEg
22:02 < pmprog_laptop> Hmmm, noticed some if statements in OpenApoc's framework/data.cpp that aren't wrapped in braces
22:03 <@JonnyH`Work> *gasp*
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22:03 < pmprog_laptop> shocking, I know
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01:57 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master aed2612 Jonathan Hamilton: Make Data cache sizes set by config options...
01:57 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d5da2f6 Jonathan Hamilton: Eat any failures in create_directories in Data::writeImage...
01:57 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a275ad9 Jonathan Hamilton: Tweak some msvc build options to hopefully speed up builds
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11:16 < Skin36> hi
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12:58 < kkmic> So, what am I doing wrong
12:58 < kkmic> Failed to find form "mainmenu" at "forms/mainmenu.form"
12:58 < kkmic> ?
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14:32 <@JonnyH> kkmic: Are you not running from the root of the git repository?
14:32 <@JonnyH> IE so you need to copy any changes to the data/ directory somewhere?
14:32 <@JonnyH> data/forms/mainmenu.form was renamed from data/ui/mainmenu.xml yesterday
14:32 < kkmic> Hmm..
14:32 < kkmic> I think I know
14:32 <@JonnyH> so if it's not been updated with that
14:32 <@JonnyH> Or you've set Framework.Data in the cmdline/configfile
14:34 < kkmic> Good point, I should make a symlink to /data
14:34 < kkmic> It's working now
14:34 <@JonnyH> there was a cmake rule that copied data to {CMAKE_BUILD_DIR}/bin/data
14:34 <@JonnyH> but I removed it as there was no dependency tracking, so if the dir existed it would never try to copy it again
14:35 <@JonnyH> causing exactly these 'old data'-type issues
14:46 < kkmic> yeah, I kinda figured that on my own :)
14:46 < kkmic> I'll be careful next time, I promise :)
14:46 <@JonnyH> :)
14:47 <@JonnyH> If you set 'Framework.Data=/path/to/git/data'
14:47 < kkmic> So cmake cannot be forced to copy the dir, no matter what?
14:47 <@JonnyH> in ~/.local/share/OpenApoc/settings.conf
14:47 <@JonnyH> it'll use that by default no matter where it's run from
14:48 <@JonnyH> And it probably can be made to copy the data
14:48 <@JonnyH> but we'll also want to remove the old directory to stop accumulating stale files
14:48 <@JonnyH> Really, when we're closer to being done I'll enable packing the data into a zip instead of lots of files
14:49 <@JonnyH> then it'll be realistically possible to list the files in the cmake source
14:49 <@JonnyH> so it can do 'proper' dependency tracking of them
14:52 < kkmic> Well, I know it a pretty early WIP, so no complaints from me :)
14:52 < kkmic> I just hope I'll be able to help a little with some testing
14:53 <@JonnyH> just having a 'sanity check' is nice
14:53 <@JonnyH> to make sure it doesn't just *happen* to work on my machine
14:53 <@JonnyH> or I've forgot to commit something to git
14:53 <@JonnyH> or some other silly issue :)
14:53 < kkmic> The Framework.Data=/path/to/git/data goes into which section in the config file?
14:54 <@JonnyH> The sections work as a prepended name
14:54 < kkmic> I have a "[Framework.Audio]" section with three options
14:54 <@JonnyH> [Framework]
14:54 <@JonnyH> Data=/path
14:54 <@JonnyH> would be the same as Framework.Data=/path
14:54 <@JonnyH> in no section
14:54 <@JonnyH> just add a new [Framework] section
14:55 <@JonnyH> if you change the options 'in game' it'll save them there
14:55 <@JonnyH> but the options menu is still todo :)
14:55 <@JonnyH> everything you can see on the cmdline (--help lists them) can be set there
14:56 < kkmic> The iso path too?
14:56 <@JonnyH> Framework.CD
14:56 < kkmic> Okay
14:57 <@JonnyH> each program ends up with a different config file
14:57 <@JonnyH> so e.g. OpenApoc_DataExtractor is in ~/.local/share/OpenApoc_DataExtractor/settings.conf
14:57 < kkmic> Yeah, I see them
14:57 < kkmic> Okay, config set
14:58 <@JonnyH> I just tend to run ./Openapoc --Framework.CD=/path/to/cd.iso --Framework.Data=/path/to/data
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15:28 < kkmic> I know I have asked this before, but the extractor extracts the data where exactly? In the 'data' dir in the Apoc root?
15:36 <@JonnyH`Work> it extracts it to ${PWD}/data
15:36 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not really setup to have a config option to change the output dir
15:37 <@JonnyH`Work> the cmake rule for it explicitly sets the working directory to the CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR (IE the root of the git repo) when running
16:19 < kkmic> ${PWD} is the source dir when doing an out-of-source build?
16:22 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it sets WORKING_DIRECTORY to ${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR} even when out-of-tree
16:23 < kkmic> Okay, got it
16:23 < kkmic> :D
16:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I intend to make the extractor another target at some future time
16:23 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's a bit wonkey right now
16:24 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. multiple builds would clobber each other's 'extracted' data
16:24 <@JonnyH`Work> but for 'release' it would likely contain the extracted data, so it's not a high priority to fixup
16:25 < kkmic> Yeah
16:25 < kkmic> So far, it's working
16:25 < kkmic> Except when I don't bother trying to figure it out :)
16:26 < kkmic> I'm doing a clean build again
16:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I removed the tinyxml2 dependency yesterday too
16:28 <@JonnyH`Work> so hopefully 1 less thing to worry about...
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16:28 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog :)
16:28 <@pmprog> Hiya, how's things?
16:28 <@JonnyH`Work> alright
16:29 <@pmprog> good stuff
16:29 <@JonnyH`Work> settling in for a dull day at work watching tests run
16:29 <@pmprog> I've just finished my dull day
16:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Might be good openapoc productivity time :)
16:29 <@pmprog> :)
16:29 <@pmprog> Yeah! Get on it :P
16:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I moved things around a bit yesterday, removing tinyxml2 in Forms
16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> and renamed the form files from 'data/ui/name.xml' to 'data/forms/name.form'
16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> and the ID is the name, and loaded on demand
16:30 <@pmprog> Removed tinyxml2? Are we using a different lib now? or parsing our own text?
16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> We already used pugixml in some other places
16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> so I thought it sensible to only have 1 xml library
16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> (and I slightly prefer pugixml's api :)
16:31 <@JonnyH`Work> and it's build into the binary, so one less dependency
16:31 <@pmprog> Fair enough. How come pugixml was added when we already had tinyxml?
16:31 <@pmprog> ah, maybe for that last point? (compiles in)
16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it has a 'header only' mode
16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> but we do actually build it a 'library', otherwise we'll end up with multiple copies of the same thing
16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> I mainly used it for the serialization as it used refcounted objects instead of pointers
16:33 <@JonnyH`Work> making that quite a bit easier for me
16:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I love the way the battlescape turn-based mode just goes
16:34 <@JonnyH`Work> 'Fuck you - it's your turn? So what. I'm going to shoot you anyway' :P
16:34 <@JonnyH`Work> some weird hybrid of realtime and turnbased :P
16:35 <@pmprog> yeah, that's xcom baby!
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> *blatent cheating*
16:36 <@pmprog> Isn't that what all Xcom games do?
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> to make up for the ai being dumber than a bunch of rocks, yes
16:37 <@pmprog> There you go then... Aliens in Apoc get real-time, even if you play turnbased :D
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16:50 <@pmprog> Quite tired now. Not sure what to have for my tea
16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I did a big roast on sunday - still getting through leftovers
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> One problem of living alone, you don't get through food very quickly...
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH I've had enough of beef sandwiches after 3 days...
16:58 <@pmprog> You can freeze cooked meat you know
16:58 <@pmprog> So you can spread it out over a longer period of time
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> roast beef kinds goes a bit weird though...
16:59 <@pmprog> TBH, never tried freezing roast beef
17:00 <@pmprog> I'm tempted to go shop and grab a pizza
17:00 <@JonnyH`Work> order out? Or a frozen pizza?
17:01 <@pmprog> Fresh, but cooked at home... I did think about ordering one, but pizzahut/dominos/etc. are quite expensive. You can buy just as nice pizza from the CoOp for about £4 and they take 10 minutes to cook
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> same here, you can get a 'fresh' 14" from the walmart (I know...) down the road for $5
17:02 <@JonnyH`Work> or a dominos for $15
17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> and I always overeat when I order in
17:03 <@pmprog> it does sometimes make me wonder how dominos and co stay operating with those prices
17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> as a large is 'only a bit more' than a medium etc.
17:03 <@pmprog> heheh, yeah, the trap we all feel
17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> it says 'feeds 4'.... Heh :)
17:04 <@pmprog> What annoys me is the meat pieces you can get over here. Say Hunters Chicken (Chicken New Yorker? Chicken, bacon, cheese and bbq sauce), but they always come in a "two pack"...
17:04 <@pmprog> I remember when I lived alone, it was really difficult to get a meal for one
17:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, if you want a varied diet you end up spending more than you really need...
17:05 <@pmprog> and the food waste! especially with fruit and veg
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Then again you can get decent deals on some things, like I have a freezer full of chicken breast when it was crazy cheap...
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> but I do throw out a lot of fresh veg etc.
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> as I just don't eat enough to finish a pack or whatever before it starts going over
17:06 <@pmprog> Yep
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> like they only seem to sell spinach is 'family packs' or whatever
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> even if I ate it every day for every mean I couldn't finish one...
17:07 <@pmprog> and if you do want to get a smaller packet of stuff, you get hit harder in the pocket... Frustrating
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> *firstworldproblems* :P
17:08 <@pmprog> Yes, but also no... This food waste could easily (well, maybe not easily) be offset to some of the poorer countries
17:08 <@JonnyH`Work> it's more a logistics problems
17:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I bet half the cost of the veg is getting it to the store and the overhead of the store frontage, staff etc.
17:08 <@pmprog> Possibly
17:12 <@pmprog> I keep wondering if I should move from Allegro to SDL... but I do like Allegro
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> sdl does less
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> for better or worse
17:14 <@pmprog> Yeah, I love Allegro's API, I think everything seems more gelled than SDL. Like being able to register file loaders to easily extend graphic support etc.
17:14 <@pmprog> But the Pandora's build of Allegro always has me thinking. SDL got a lot more support
17:16 <@pmprog> Then there's Irrlicht... I wonder whether I should try moving into 3D... but I have the same problem as with 2D - graphic resources... I'm even less able with 3D than 2D
17:18 <@pmprog> I want to try Löve at some point too... Got it installed on my desktop and laptop, but can imagine that's as far as I'll ever get with it
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> 3d modelling is another level of effort...
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> 'programmer art' looks even more shonkey in 3d
17:20 <@pmprog> Yep. I do keep thinking about actually paying for an artist, but I have no idea what sort of price to expect, or what I'd do if I ended up not liking it or what not
17:24 <@pmprog> brb
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> ugh, I have perforce
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> everything is just so much more difficult than necessary...
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> (though probably the real problem is people backporting half-baked changed to supposedly 'stable' branches...)
17:50 <@pmprog> Never used it
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> It feels like it discourages branching
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> 'branches' being 'whole copies of code directories'....
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> though half the problems are likely because it's a centralised server
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> that happens to be on the other side ofthe world connected through a really thin flaky vpn link...
18:04 <@pmprog> Sounds modern
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> not the word I'd use...
18:53 <@pmprog> :-P
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20:26 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: you around?
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> huh?
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: what's up?
20:37 < SupSuper> just looking over openxcom's gl loop: https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/src/Engine/OpenGL.cpp#L150
20:38 < SupSuper> does it make sense? always resetting everything every cycle?
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> probably unnecessary, but likely not a big loss
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> we have checks that short-circuit things where 'current == new'
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> and I assume other vendors do something similar
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work>     while (glGetError() != GL_NO_ERROR); // clear possible error from who knows where
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> clear();
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> looks a bit weird
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> if one of the gl calls in clear() fails it'll loop forever?
20:40 < SupSuper> while is a closed loop
20:41 < SupSuper> it just spams glGetError until the errors are gone
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, but clear() calls gl* calls
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> which can set a new error...
20:41 < SupSuper> right but clear isn't part of the while. there's a semicolon there :p
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> ooh....
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Also bad indentation then :)
20:42 < SupSuper> probably tabs and spaces
20:42 < SupSuper> so i just ditch the glflush then?
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> also glGetError clears the error
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> it's not a 'error stack' or anything
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> new errors just overwrite it
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> so calling glGetError() twice
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> the second can never return an error
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> actually.. no wait
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> it allows different 'error flags' in desktop gl
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so i'm wrong, you can get different errors out of each :)
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I personally disline glFlush() as it literally makes no difference there
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> it's only possible useful to workaround driver bugs/platform-specific issues
20:46 < SupSuper> i guess i better not tempt fate
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> or request that rasterisation be started if you're single buffered (which can't be done since windows vista or so, as dwm presents are a blit, so the intermediate steps are not drawn until a swap anyway)
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> nothing 'wrong', just arguably unnecessary
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> you could save a fair bit of cpu time, but I assume it's relatively trivial compared to pretty much anything else :)
20:47 < SupSuper> well some people play openxcom on windows 98 so you never know :p
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> still, it only means the draw has *started*, not finished
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> so if you glFlush it doesn't mean the draw is actually done
20:49 < SupSuper> right, it's just to stop batching commands
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> ease-of-debugging: if the shader program compile fails or the link fails
20:50 < SupSuper> "hey if you weren't drawing before maybe you could start now pretty please?"
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> glGetError() won't do anything
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> you need to query the info log if you want why it failed too
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> it's actually a pessimisation to do the flush there
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> as it forces the GPU to write out the clear
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> even if the very next command will overwrite that black value
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> if you don't clear most modern GPUs will have a fast path to only clear the pixels that aren't overwritten by geometry anyway
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I doubt you'll really be GPU bound to the degree that'll matter
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> but it might cost a bit more power that might be nice on a laptop/mobile
20:55 < SupSuper> and we don't have alpha so it's likely the clear is always overwritten anyways :p
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> so each pixel will be written twice, which feels like a waste
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> That sort of thing is terrible for tilers (Most mobile GPUs, powervr especially so :)
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's more work reading in/out the tile state, which glFlush would requite
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> than doing quite a bit of shader/geometry work
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> so we just ignore glFlush() completely outside of some specific situations
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> which goes against the 'idea' of the spec, but the word allows us to defer all operations until you try to do a readback or present. So we do :)
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus people kept doing glFlush() all over the place thinking it did something useful
20:58 < SupSuper> well i saw this post on google from 2013 and it said things!
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> cargo cult programming :)
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, if you fail to compile an incorrect shader, it'll silently fail
21:00 < SupSuper> how do you error-check a shader
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> it happens to fallback to the gl2.1 'default' pipeline
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> glCompileShader(shader)
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> glGetShaderiv(shader, GL_COMPILE_STATUS, &return);
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> if (return == GL_TRUE) // all good
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> else { // Error happened, you can get a log from glGetShaderInfoLog() }
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I can hammer something together now if you're interested
21:03 < SupSuper> that'd be handy
21:03 < SupSuper> just log any errors to Log(LOG_ERROR) and disable the shader if it fails
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> ugh, PFNGLGETSHADERINFOLOGPROC
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> do you use tabs or spaces?
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> OpenGL.cpp seems to use both....
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenXcom/commit/666a2dd3a72ece744deeedbd7c033c27bf5e384b
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I even avoided using c++11
21:21 <@pmprog> That is why I hate Python's reliant on it
21:21 <@pmprog> (indentation, that is)
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> tabs-for-indent, space-for-alignment
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> then it works whatever editor or weird local settings you have...
21:22 <@pmprog> No it doesn't... because I have tabs at 2 char wide
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> that'll still align everything
21:22 <@pmprog> If you align with spaces based on 4 char tabs
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> But you never rely on tab-width for alignment
21:22 <@pmprog> well, I suppose
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> so my tabstop=8 vim will just we wider :)
21:23 <@pmprog> 8!?!
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> linux kernel standard
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> 80cols at ts=8
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> really stops you nesting deeply :)
21:24 <@pmprog> Hmmm, never really thought about it like that
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> linus does like claiming different reasons each time though ;)
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW why do you extern defile all the gl* functions in OpenGL.h?
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Are they indended to be used in some other file in the future?
21:36 < SupSuper> *shrug* that file is a mystery to me :p
21:37 < SupSuper> i assume someone just wanted them conveniently in the .h so they didn't have to worry about order in the .cpp, but they're at the top anyways
21:39 < SupSuper> i mean there's a comment that this originally came from bsnes? so
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I...seem to be unable to get the link to fail...
21:41 < SupSuper> well if you add it to the pull request, travis should check that it doesn't fail on any platform
21:42 < SupSuper> osx is a weird one since it predefines them for you
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I think that should be correct
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> sure you got enough different build combos in travis there?
21:48 < SupSuper> gotta keep the timeout gremlins away: https://travis-ci.org/SupSuper/OpenXcom/builds/169941110
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, that looks like a travis bug?
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Or the compiler crashed or something...
21:49 < SupSuper> yeah it randomly happens but i couldn't get any help from support
21:49 <@JonnyH`Work> aren't you getting 'free' mac builds?
21:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Or have they moved that to the 'normal' oss side already/
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, builds for me, at least pushing an invalid shader works (IE correctly prints to the log and falls back to 'disabled shader')
21:50 < SupSuper> i'm not paying for any of this, if that's what you're asking :p
21:50 < SupSuper> presumably you could set up OSX builds for openapoc as well
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I just thought the mac support for travis was paid-only...
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> meh
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> that will kill their build servers
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> macs can't cope with the level of templates that requires :)
21:53 < SupSuper> i can safely say openxcom only uses templates at gunpoint
21:53 < SupSuper> so whenever interacting with STL :p
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Minimum requirements to build a '90s dos game:
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> - 32gb ram
21:55 < SupSuper> hmmmm actually gl.h seems to define all the opengl functions, so why all the procaddress magic?
21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> windows gl.h only has gl 1.2
21:56 < SupSuper> ah, that explains this: Copyright (c) 1985-96, Microsoft Corporation
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> opengl32.dll only exports gl 1.2 functions, so you will then still need to wglGetProcAddress() them, even if the header defines them
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> exactly the same time they wanted people to start using their newfangled 'directx' stuff
21:56 < SupSuper> Copyright 1996 Silicon Graphics, Inc. All Rights Reserved. This is UNPUBLISHED PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODE of Silicon Graphics, Inc.; the contents of this file may not be disclosed to third parties, copied or duplicated in any form, in whole or in part, without the prior written permission of Silicon Graphics, Inc.
21:56 < SupSuper> whoops
21:57 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
21:57 <@JonnyH`Work> that the ms sdk?
21:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Or mingw?
21:57 < SupSuper> ms
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW the reason they used auto_ptr() instead of new/delete
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> was 'caus it'll still free stuff if ->load() threw an exception
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> it's deprecated 'caus unique_ptr does a better job of the same thing, but I suppose if you can't use c++11 you're SOL
22:01 < SupSuper> well i'm pretty sure if we throw an exception the whole thing's canned anyways :p
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> this is a perfect chance to start sneaking in c++11!
22:02 < SupSuper> god i'm still waiting for the chance to sneak in sdl2
22:02 <@JonnyH`Work> And soon you too will have compile times measured in hours!
22:03 <@JonnyH`Work> pff, like you'll ever get that past the thousands of people running it on their VAXen, or amiga 500s
22:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I had an experiment a while back trying to move the shading to opengl
22:04 <@JonnyH`Work> That would cause riots in the streets...
22:04 < SupSuper> in openxcom?
22:04 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah
22:04 < SupSuper> pretty sure that experiment has been regularly going on and shrugged off over "it doesn't look vanilla!"
22:05 <@JonnyH`Work> It implemented the same weird-index-shifting
22:05 <@JonnyH`Work> not pushing it to RGB space
22:05 <@JonnyH`Work> so logically should be 100% the same
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22:07 < SupSuper> so just a 8bpp shader?
22:08 < SupSuper> i dunno if anyone would be sold on something that only gives you even more fps...
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> no, the output was the 8-bit integer palette index
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> when another pass did the palette->rgb lookup
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> It was a prototype, and a massive hack-job :)
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> just enough to prove to myself it could be done
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> not that it was worth it -_-
22:09 < SupSuper> isn't that how every project gets started?
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> 'the sort of machine' that would struggle doing the rendering on the cpu
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> probably won't have a gpu with the required integer capabilities anyway...
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> but it could be a 'power optimisation', like the flush killing
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23:44 < Iamasandwich> hi. is anyone here?
23:44 <@JonnyH`Work> hey
23:44 < Iamasandwich> i’m having a weird compile error. i’m trying to get openapoc working on mac
23:44 < Iamasandwich> CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:153 (add_custom_target):
23:44 < Iamasandwich>   add_custom_target cannot create target
23:44 < Iamasandwich>   "format-xml-_Users_khallmark_Desktop_OpenApoc_data_difficulty5_patch_gamestate_cities_CITYMAP_HUMAN_buildings_xml"
23:44 < Iamasandwich>   because another target with the same name already exists.  The existing
23:44 < Iamasandwich>   target is a custom target created in source directory
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I think kkmic was trying to get it working on his mac earlier...
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Unfortunately, I don't have a mac to actually test anything on...
23:46 < Iamasandwich> have you ever seen an error like that before?
23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> nope...
23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I can only guess there's some stale xml files
23:47 < Iamasandwich> what version of cmake are you on?
23:47 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe that only differ by case...
23:47 <@JonnyH`Work> 3.6.2
23:47 < Iamasandwich> hmm.
23:47 < Iamasandwich> that’s a good idea.
23:48 <@JonnyH`Work> the ubuntu 14.04 travis also builds
23:48 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git clean -xfd data' from the root of the git repository
23:48 <@JonnyH`Work> will delete any files under 'data' that shouldn't be there
23:48 <@JonnyH`Work> to be honest, the format-xml target could probably be removed
23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> now forms and fonts have a different format target...
23:49 < Iamasandwich> it erased cd.iso. oops
23:49 < SupSuper> yeah why do you need to format auto-generated xml :p
23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> it just happens to pick up the autogenerated xml, it wasn't the intended result
23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> the '*.xml' glob pulls them in too
23:50 < Iamasandwich> i’m testing the case issue by putting the files in a case sensitive disk image
23:50 < SupSuper> good old filesystems
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> case-insensitive FSs are evil...
23:51 <@JonnyH`Work> ooh, I bet I know
23:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I actually search for '*.xml *.XML'
23:51 <@JonnyH`Work> and I bet that makes all the files get picked up twice...
23:53 < Iamasandwich> that was it
23:53 < Iamasandwich> i removed XML and it works
23:53 < SupSuper> stallman was right!
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23:54 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vXZr3
23:54 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a9a9d68 Jonathan Hamilton: Disable PCH by default on Library...
23:54 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master eabedec Jonathan Hamilton: Cmake: Make format-xml target only search for data/*.xml...
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23:55 < Iamasandwich> hmm. /Users/khallmark/Desktop/OpenApoc/framework/physfs_fs.cpp:22:10: fatal error: 'endian.h' file not found
23:56 < SupSuper> time to add osx to travis :p
23:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll be honest, when are we going to be running on a non-little endian machine...
23:59 < Iamasandwich> that’s an osx thing
23:59 < Iamasandwich> machine/endian.h
23:59 <@JonnyH`Work> what a #ifdef-able thing to detect darwin?
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00:00 < SupSuper> #ifdef __apple__ ?
00:00 < Iamasandwich> actually, that file doesn’t have the right symbols. hmm
00:00 < Iamasandwich> le16toh isn’t in there
00:00 <@JonnyH`Work> endian.h was a bsd-extension
00:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I though darwin was bsd based more than gnu?
00:00 <@JonnyH`Work> meh...
00:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Like I said, it's probably not really an issue
00:01 <@JonnyH`Work> as we probably only support little endian anyway
00:01 < SupSuper> what, you don't wrap all your binary loading in SDL_Endian?
00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> nope
00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> as some things are mmap'd structs
00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> so it'll break anyway
00:02 < SupSuper> the horror
00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> and bitmasks...
00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> and weird 24-byte quantities...
00:04 <@JonnyH`Work> that #ifdef tree looks wrong anyway
00:04 <@JonnyH`Work> #ifndef _WIN32
00:04 <@JonnyH`Work> #define _CRT_SECURE_NO_WARNINGS
00:04 <@JonnyH`Work> isn't _CRT_SECURE_NO_WARNINGS a windows thing?
00:04 < SupSuper> yes
00:04 < SupSuper> it should be #ifdef MSCV_VER since mingw won't use it either :p
00:07 < SupSuper> and that depends which mingw we're talking about...
00:07 < Iamasandwich> there is an issue with pthread_setname_np on macs.
00:07 < Iamasandwich> apparently we only take one argument
00:07 <@JonnyH`Work> _np means 'non-portable'
00:07 <@JonnyH`Work> so I guess I deserve that :P
00:08 < Iamasandwich> i’m going to create a branch with all the changes required for mac
00:08 < Iamasandwich> so you can see what’s up
00:08 <@JonnyH`Work> sure
00:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been mirroring some of the changes discussed here
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00:08 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vXZKe
00:08 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 76e1db8 Jonathan Hamilton: Only include <endian.h> if _BSD_SOURCE or _DEFAULT_SOURCE...
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00:08 <@JonnyH`Work> ^^like that one
00:14 < Iamasandwich> yup
00:15 < Iamasandwich> i’m working through an issue where GL/glx.h is missing now
00:15 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, we'll need to use agl on mac...
00:16 < Iamasandwich> need to install a macports package
00:17 < Iamasandwich> needed mesa
00:17 <@JonnyH`Work> no, you shouldn't be using glx...
00:21 < Iamasandwich> hmm. now it can’t find libsdl2 even though it’s installed
00:21 < Iamasandwich> ld: library not found for -lSDL2
00:22 <@JonnyH`Work> does it have the equivalent of -dev packages?
00:23 < Iamasandwich> yes. it should be installed
00:26 < Iamasandwich> had to run export LIBRARY_PATH="$LIBRARY_PATH:/opt/local/lib"
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00:36 < SupSuper> does mac have sdl-config
00:36 < Iamasandwich> i got past the error, but now i’m getting a physfs linker error
00:36 < Iamasandwich> apparently i need to link the Foundation framework for objective c
00:37 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/macho
00:37 <@JonnyH`Work> does that fix the GLX issue?
00:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't even test it -_-
00:39 < Iamasandwich> testing
00:39 <@JonnyH`Work> It probably won't even build :P
00:39 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: running out of branch names? :p
00:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Mach Objects are the name for the linker objects on osx...
00:46 <@JonnyH`Work> If someone wants to buy me a mac
00:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll gladly help track this down :)
00:46 < Iamasandwich> where do you live?
00:46 <@JonnyH`Work> CA, USA
00:46 < Iamasandwich> i may be able to send you one. we’ll see.
00:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Just down the road from the fruity mothership itself :)
00:46 < Iamasandwich> it’s OLD
00:47 < Iamasandwich> 2007 MBP
00:47 < Iamasandwich> but it works :-D
00:47 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH I could probably go through the bins at work and fine something...
00:47 <@JonnyH`Work> but I'm generally averse to giving them money
00:47 < Iamasandwich> the endian patch worked
00:47 < Iamasandwich> the glx patch worked
00:47 <@JonnyH`Work> does it actually do something useful though?
00:48 < Iamasandwich> a new error: /Users/khallmark/Desktop/OpenApoc/framework/render/gles30_v2/gleswrap_gles3.cpp:130:4: error: unknown type name 'UString'; did you mean 'OpenApoc::UString'?
00:48 <@JonnyH`Work> mac claims all gl symbols are weakly linked already
00:48 <@JonnyH`Work> ooh, I sure did...
00:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't care about unicode there, I'll just use std;:string
00:49 <@JonnyH`Work> try refreshing that branch
00:52 < Iamasandwich> that fixed it. still getting an error linking physfs though.
00:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I see physfs includes <CoreFoundation/CoreFoundation.h>
00:52 <@JonnyH`Work> but adds nothing to the libs to link list...
00:53 < Iamasandwich> that is indeed the issue
00:53 < Iamasandwich> it needs -Framework CoreFoundation
00:57 < SupSuper> how dare apple use uppercases in c :p
00:57 <@JonnyH`Work> I've hopefully added that to that branch with a dependencies/physfs change
01:00 < Iamasandwich> compiling
01:02 < Iamasandwich> that got us halfway. another missing file
01:02 < Iamasandwich> i’m using your example to fix it
01:12 < Iamasandwich> i’m going to the gym in a minuteb ut we need to linke “IOKit� also
01:12 < Iamasandwich> that fixed that issue
01:12 < Iamasandwich> now i’m on a new one
01:13 < Iamasandwich> i’ll post it as soon as i get to it
01:13 <@JonnyH`Work> if travis ever actually starts
01:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I might be able to use that to debug some of this
01:14 < Iamasandwich>     _T1 first;
01:14 < Iamasandwich> ./Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/../include/c++/v1/utility:258:9: error: implicit instantiation of undefined template 'std::__1::array<glm::tvec3<float, glm::precision::highp>, 2>'
01:14 < Iamasandwich>     _T1 first;
01:15 < SupSuper> missing glm?
01:15 <@JonnyH`Work> or weird version...
01:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Or glm's not incluing <array> or something
01:16 < SupSuper> array is in utility iirc
01:16 <@JonnyH`Work> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/header/array
01:16 <@JonnyH`Work> says it has it's own header
01:16 < SupSuper> hmmm so why is that coming from utility
01:16 <@JonnyH`Work> perhaps it's not _really_ utility
01:16 <@JonnyH`Work> but we're trying to put a std::Array<> in a std::pair<> or something...
01:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Iamasandwich: Was that in test_tilemap.cpp?
01:17 < Iamasandwich> yes
01:18 < Iamasandwich> also: /Users/khallmark/Desktop/OpenApoc/tests/test_tilemap.cpp:102:69: error: no matching constructor for initialization of 'std::vector<std::pair<std::array<Vec3<float>, 2>, sp<TileObject> > >' (aka 'vector<pair<array<glm::tvec3<float, glm::precision::highp>, 2>,
01:18 < Iamasandwich>       std::__1::shared_ptr<OpenApoc::TileObject> > >')
01:18 < Iamasandwich>         std::vector<std::pair<std::array<Vec3<float>, 2>, sp<TileObject>>> collisions = {
01:18 < Iamasandwich> otherwise there are no other errors!
01:18 < SupSuper> that's a lot of stds
01:18 < Iamasandwich> lol
01:20 <@JonnyH`Work> and as yet travis has not started a single osx build...
01:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Are you sure you don't have to pay for it SupSuper?
01:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm going to go home
01:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll see if any have started when I get there :)
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01:21 < SupSuper> yes :p
01:22 < SupSuper> you can always check how our travis config is set up
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02:13 < Iamasandwich> any thoughts on how to fix this compile error? i don’t know C++ issues well enough to quite understand what’s going on
02:14 <@JonnyH> which compile error?
02:14 <@JonnyH> the <array> one?
02:16 < Iamasandwich> yeah
02:16 < Iamasandwich> the other one will probably be fixed by fixing the first one
02:16 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/e0cea764ec9ae3dbd9b4a8ff5d422f98d3341386
02:16 <@JonnyH> did that not help?
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02:56 < Iamasandwich> didn’t see that!
02:56 < Iamasandwich> lets try it
02:57 <@JonnyH> I'm slowly trying to get travis-ci to do osx builds
02:57 <@JonnyH> but the turnaround time is rather slow...
02:58 < Iamasandwich> it built
02:59 <@JonnyH> did it work?
02:59 < Iamasandwich> im about to run it
02:59 < Iamasandwich> copying cd.iso
03:00 <@JonnyH> --Framework.CD=/path/to/cd.iso when running works
03:00 <@JonnyH> so you don't need to keep copying it around
03:00 <@JonnyH> I have it pointing to my gog/steam files directly
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03:01 < Iamasandwich_> lol. it caused a kernel panic
03:01 <@JonnyH> oh....
03:02 <@JonnyH> As someone who writes graphics drivers for a living
03:02 <@JonnyH> I can tell you it wasn't OpenApoc's fuckup :)
03:02 <@JonnyH> There should be no way to kill the kernel, no matter how badly written the application...
03:03 < Iamasandwich_> this computer has gpu issues :-(
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03:04 < Iamasandwich> lemme force the discrete graphics card
03:04 <@JonnyH> maybe try running with --Framework.Renderers=GL_2_0
03:04 <@JonnyH> to force the slower (but possibly more compatible?) renderer
03:05 < Iamasandwich> ok. switching to discrete stopped the hard crash
03:05 < Iamasandwich> 0   OpenApoc                      	0x000000010536fe40 OpenApoc::LoadingScreen::render() + 64 (loadingscreen.cpp:83)
03:07 <@JonnyH> did it output  a openapoc_log.txt?
03:08 < Iamasandwich> I 385275984 OpenApoc::IFile OpenApoc::FileSystem::open(const OpenApoc::UString &): Failed to find "ui/logo.png"
03:08 < Iamasandwich> I 385281509 virtual sp<OpenApoc::Image> OpenApoc::DataImpl::loadImage(const OpenApoc::UString &, bool): Failed to load image "ui/logo.png"
03:09 <@JonnyH> If you're not running from the root of the git repository
03:09 <@JonnyH> you need to set --Framework.Data=/path/to/git/OpenApoc/data
03:09 <@JonnyH> (IE the 'data' folder in the git repo)
03:10 < Iamasandwich> it works!
03:10 <@JonnyH> :D
03:10 < Iamasandwich> http://imgur.com/a/fbgRF
03:11 <@JonnyH> I might stick that on facebook or something
03:11 <@JonnyH> when I have the travis-ci builds working maybe
03:11 <@JonnyH> so we know at the builds will keep working on osx...
03:11 <@JonnyH> did the DataExtractor run?
03:12 < Iamasandwich> how would i know?
03:12 <@JonnyH> is there a data/animationpacks folder?
03:12 < Iamasandwich> yes
03:12 <@JonnyH> cool
03:12 < Iamasandwich> i’ll brb. cooking dinner
03:12 <@JonnyH> It should work if you start a game then
03:12 < Iamasandwich> im running a game :-D
03:12 < Iamasandwich> clicks are slow, however
03:12 <@JonnyH> There are some unit tests, they don't do much but btter than nothing...
03:13 <@JonnyH> Is it falling back to the GL2 renderer?
03:14 <@JonnyH> In the openapoc_log.txt
03:14 <@JonnyH> if there's a line saying "Using renderer: GLES30 Renderer" that's good
03:18 <@JonnyH> "OGL2.0 Renderer" means it's using a slower renderer
03:18 <@JonnyH> that I've not really worked on to speed up much...
03:25 < Iamasandwich> ogl 2
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03:28 <@JonnyH> bah...
03:29 <@JonnyH> Do you have an opengl extension viewer or something?
03:29 <@JonnyH> Actualy, the llog should list the GL_EXTENSIONS
03:30 <@JonnyH> /Users/travis/build/JonnyH/OpenApoc/framework/trace.cpp:133:8: error: thread-local storage is not supported for the current target
03:30 <@JonnyH> :(
03:31 <@JonnyH> I've gotta run
03:32 <@JonnyH> I'll hopefully be on tomorrow
03:32 <@JonnyH> hopefully we can polish this off and merge it into mainline
03:32 <@JonnyH> Thanks for your help
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03:36 < Iamasandwich> thank you!
03:36 < Iamasandwich> OpenGL version string: 2.1 NVIDIA-10.13.68 367.15.10.15f01
03:36 < Iamasandwich> GLX version: 1.4
03:36 < Iamasandwich> GLX extensions:
03:36 < Iamasandwich>     GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context,
03:37 < Iamasandwich>     GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
03:37 < Iamasandwich>     GLX_MESA_multithread_makecurrent, GLX_OML_swap_method,
03:37 < Iamasandwich>     GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig
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06:41 <@JonnyH> Iamasandwich: OpenGL 2.1? That's pretty oldschool...
06:42 < Iamasandwich> ji know!
06:42 < Iamasandwich> *i
06:42 < Iamasandwich> i’m not sure why it’s reporting as that
06:42 <@JonnyH> is there a 'core context' option?
06:43 <@JonnyH> BTW the osx travis builds seem to work
06:45 < Iamasandwich> nice!
06:46 <@JonnyH> If you have the full GL_EXTENSIONS list available
06:46 <@JonnyH> I might be able to see if the gles_3_0 renderer 'could' work if we were a little less strict about version numbers
06:49 < Iamasandwich> lemme send you the output
06:55 <@JonnyH> Leave a link in chat and I'll look tomorrow
06:55 <@JonnyH> I'm off to bed now :)
06:55 < Iamasandwich> night
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06:55 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 260b79b Jonathan Hamilton: Fix 'unused function' warning for generated serialization code...
06:55 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7f4fa7e Jonathan Hamilton: Enable Mac OSX cmake builds
06:55 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 44983f3 Jonathan Hamilton: CMake: Split out the extract-data target...
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15:34 < kkmic> Failed to read "data/gamestate_common" on starting new campaign game - the main menu loads correctly
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17:14 <@JonnyH> kkmic: I think the initial gamestate is loaded from a fixed location of '${pwd}/data'
17:14 <@JonnyH> which is kinda a bug I should fix to be relative to the supplied Framework.Data...
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17:24 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f3724f7 Jonathan Hamilton: Switch travis back to RelWithDebInfo...
17:24 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master b6e8893 Jonathan Hamilton: Load initial gamestate relative to the supplied data dir
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18:01 < TheSnide> what's missing in gles2.0 ?
18:02 <@JonnyH> compared to gles3?
18:02 <@JonnyH> we use integer textures and shader variables, and instanced draws
18:03 < TheSnide> so no rpi build ;)
18:03 <@JonnyH> Oh, we also have a gl2 backend that doesn't use those
18:04 <@JonnyH> it's just slower
18:04 < TheSnide> as i have a linux box... but ;-)
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18:20 <@pmprog> Mornink
18:21 <@JonnyH> just about :)
18:21 <@JonnyH> Good news for fruit lovers!
18:21 <@JonnyH> http://imgur.com/a/fbgRF
18:23 <@pmprog> Ewwww
18:23 <@pmprog> :-)#
18:24 <@pmprog> Do you have a mac?
18:24 <@JonnyH> nope
18:24 <@JonnyH> Remote debugging FTW :)
18:24 <@pmprog> cool
18:24 <@pmprog> Oh, you can see your mates name under the game window :-)
18:25 <@JonnyH> added it to my travis though, so hopefully at least get build checks...
18:25 <@JonnyH> iamasandwich: pmprog is spying on you!
18:25 < iamasandwich> lol
18:26 <@pmprog> :-) I wouldn't exactly call it spying, when you paste it out to the world
18:26 < iamasandwich> it’s pretty exciting
18:26 < iamasandwich> JonnyH: i found out why it might be running the older opengl
18:26 <@pmprog> Can I link that picture on Farcebook?
18:26 < iamasandwich> i had x11 installed, which for mac only supports opengl 2.1
18:27 < iamasandwich> and yeah. Go for it :-)
18:27 <@pmprog> Thanks
18:27 < iamasandwich> i removed x11 and i need to get it linked to apples opengl
18:27 < iamasandwich> that should give me up to 4.1
18:27 <@JonnyH> oh? Does it try to load the GLES3 renderer now?
18:27 <@JonnyH> It uses ES3_COMPATIBILITY, which is a relatively new extension
18:27 <@JonnyH> It doesn't need new hw features, it's just a 'driver update' normally
18:28 <@JonnyH> but IIRC apple aren't big on gpu driver updates :)
18:28 < iamasandwich> they aren’t :-(
18:28 < iamasandwich> BUT!
18:28 < iamasandwich> I have a 2012 macbook pro with nvidia graphics
18:28 < iamasandwich> and tehy DO upgrade their drivers
18:28 <@JonnyH> We could do pretty much the same thing with 'desktop' gl 3.2
18:29 < iamasandwich> lemme see what this 2015 retina has in it
18:29 < iamasandwich> support wise
18:30 <@pmprog> I love your nick iamasandwich. I almost want to start making 100 puns :)
18:31 < iamasandwich> I do not have ES3 on this retina macbook pro 2015
18:32 <@JonnyH> the mac website only lists gl extensions up to 10.9
18:32 <@JonnyH> I can only assume they haven't added any since...
18:34 < iamasandwich> es3 was introduced in haswell processors
18:34 < iamasandwich> with intel integrated
18:34 < iamasandwich> which this has
18:34 < iamasandwich> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202823
18:35 < iamasandwich> the highest supported on any mac is 4.1. why apple? why?
18:35 <@JonnyH> As I said, it doesn't really require any hw feature
18:35 <@JonnyH> Pretty much any dx10 card can do all that (the requirements are _lower_ than dx10)
18:37 <@JonnyH> ..TBH if you remove #version 300 es from the shaders
18:37 <@JonnyH> and rename a few of the functions
18:37 <@JonnyH> it'll work on gl3.2 fine
18:38 <@JonnyH> maybe even 3.1 with a few tweaks...
18:38 <@JonnyH> or 3.0 with extensions (instanced drawing)
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18:51 < iamasandwich> i’ll do some more testing when i get it linked to the normal mac opengl :-)
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> bah, even a 2008 scratched refurbed macbook goes for $200+...
18:54 < iamasandwich> i have a 2007 macbook pro i can just *send* you
18:54 < iamasandwich> it has a few issues
18:54 < iamasandwich> some broken keys
18:54 < iamasandwich> and i need to clean it
18:54 < iamasandwich> you’d need to get a power cord
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> what os version does that use?
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll poke IT at work first.. just in case :)
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> core2 duo - oldschool :)
18:55 < iamasandwich> it will run 10.11
18:55 < iamasandwich> it’s a 3,1
18:56 < iamasandwich> so it’s only one version off the latest macOS
18:58 < iamasandwich> you’d need a magsafe 1 power charger for it, which i do not have.
18:58 < iamasandwich> magsafe 1 85W
18:58 < iamasandwich> there are a bunch on amazon for liek $40. knockoffs tho
19:00 < iamasandwich> Also, i found all the mac opengl headers. we should be able to link the project to the built-in opengl in the same way you did iokit and corefoundation
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> does mac use dlopen()?
19:20 < iamasandwich> we do
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> you might be able to enable GLESWRAP_PLATFORM_DLFCN and set the libname and get it to do something useful...
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20:02 < iamasandwich> will do.
20:02 < iamasandwich> apparently i haven’t been logging any conversations. grr
20:02 < iamasandwich> also, JonnyH`Work, mac has a version of libunwind you can use
20:02 < iamasandwich> its on macports at least
20:02 < iamasandwich> signing off for now
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> o7
20:02 < iamasandwich> i’m a presenter in a meeting
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20:05 <@SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: what did you get yourself into :p
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Like a pig in mud this is what I enjoy :D
20:07 <@SupSuper> everyone who dukes it out with volutar ends up losing, either argumentatively or mentally
20:08 <@SupSuper> and if you're getting into refactor territory i'm saving it for after 2.0 :p
20:12 < TheSnide> macports... noone uses that anymore :)
20:13 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: dlopen() works, indeed.
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess the library name isn't 'libGLESv2.so' though ?
20:21 <@pmprog> When is 2.0 Sup?
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> ...when is the heat death of the universe predicted again?
20:21 <@pmprog> Tomorrow :D
20:22 <@SupSuper> before 2.0 probably
20:27 < TheSnide> oh. dunno
20:27  * TheSnide has either OSX or a RPi 
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23:33 < Iamasandwich> back home from work
23:33 <@JonnyH`Work> lucky you :)
23:45 < Iamasandwich> actually about an hour now but i took a wonderful nap
23:45 < Iamasandwich> i’m in orlando, fl. house of mouse.
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00:19 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, apparently our tools for debugging kernel crashes
00:19 <@JonnyH`Work> causes the kernel to crash -_-
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02:12 < Iamasandwich> uh what?
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02:37 < Iamasandwich> heading out for now. be back later.
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14:33 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d487422 Jonathan Hamilton: Travis: Use ccache...
14:33 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e3032c3 Jonathan Hamilton: Add Framework.SwapInterval option...
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14:34 <@JonnyH> kkmic: try that
14:34 <@JonnyH> --Framework.SwapInterval = 1
14:34 <@JonnyH> I guess I didn't notice as it's the default for my wm
14:34 <@JonnyH> If it's useful we can set it to be the default
14:38 <@pmprog> Getting an early start today JonnyH?
14:39 <@JonnyH> it's only 7:40 am here...
14:39 <@JonnyH> I normally start early, then leave early...
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14:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Though this week it's an hour earlier as the DST has changed one side but not the other...
14:44 <@pmprog> hehe, daylight savings can be an arse
14:49 <@pmprog> Ugh, I keep looking at my framework code, and I now have a horrible mix of raw pointers and shared_ptr<> :-(
14:50 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
14:51 <@pmprog> I wonder if I should build a new fresh framework, and maybe try and seperate out things a bit better (kind of like what you've done to OpenApoc)
14:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I kinda wnat to pull out the 'display init' code too...
14:52 <@JonnyH`Work> MAybe Framework doesn't do that directly
14:52 <@JonnyH`Work> but there's a Framework::Window or something...
14:53 <@pmprog> I wonder if I should just consider changing language
14:53 <@JonnyH`Work> c# or something might be an idea
14:53 <@JonnyH`Work> really, unless you want mobile devices (or writing AAA games)
14:53 <@JonnyH`Work> native isn't really necessary
14:54 <@pmprog> I'd love to use C#, but you generally have to link back out to unmanaged code
14:54 <@pmprog> Plus, I need to keep the Pyra in mind
14:54 <@pmprog> Although I hope that should be okay running stuff
14:55 <@pmprog> Last time I tried XNA, I couldn't really figure out how to do much. All these "pipeline" things... All I wanted to do was draw sprites at X,Y
14:57 <@pmprog> You also have a hard time sharing the project between VS and MonoDevelop (which is a bit crap IMO)
14:58 <@JonnyH`Work> You know you can just do opengl or whatever?
14:58 <@pmprog> Within C#?
14:58 <@JonnyH`Work> sure
14:58 <@pmprog> Without externs?
14:58 <@JonnyH`Work> errm... no idea?
14:59 <@pmprog> There's the Tao lib which allows you to access SDL
14:59 <@pmprog> I have considered playing with that a bit
14:59 <@pmprog> I don't think I could get it to compile for the Pandora though
15:00 <@pmprog> I'm not sure if I should just write the Pandora off for development now
15:00 <@JonnyH`Work> the cool kids have moved to pyra!
15:00 <@JonnyH`Work> No idea how good the mono arm backend is
15:00 <@JonnyH`Work> might be doable anyway?
15:01 <@pmprog> Difficult to know at this point in time
15:01 <@pmprog> Though there were a few MonoGame games ported to the Pandora... Not sure how well they worked though
15:02 <@pmprog> This was one reason I was tempted to try LOVE
15:02 <@pmprog> I know that's been ported to the Pandora; it's Lua (though I'm not all that familiar with that language)
15:02 <@pmprog> and I know Pocket Rumble is being written in Lua
15:03 <@pmprog> (and Love)
15:09 <@pmprog> This is stupid
15:11 <@pmprog> I've installed ZeroBrane, and it tells me how to start a Love demo, but none of them work :(
15:12 <@pmprog> Never mind... It didn't tell me I had to change the "compiler" from Lua to Love
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22:00 <@pmprog> Whoo, I wrote me a mini playlist system in lua/löve :-)
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Heh, I'm always amused by the fake dos/4gw startup for openxcom
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe we should do something similar...
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> And randomly pop up a dialog saying "Please insert CD!" and crash
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> just to keep faithful to the original
22:46 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: it's probably my favorite feature, i don't think anyone realizes it's fake
22:47 < SupSuper> i mean they probably realize on some level it's not an actual dos shell but don't think too hard about it
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> you should also have an exception handler for the battlescape
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> that when triggered just re-uses the previous missions result
22:49 < SupSuper> lol that would be something
22:52 < SupSuper> you'd think a shell would be tricky to fake, but it's literally just our regular old ui text renderer, but with a different font
22:52 < SupSuper> best bang for the buck, or something
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> probably better than trying to push together a .flc of the smae :P
22:53 < SupSuper> it also makes a nice fallback font if the game can't load anything :P
22:53 < SupSuper> since it's embedded in the exe
23:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm off now, have a good evening
23:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll probably stop by your stream tomorrow :)
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15:01 <@pmprog> SupSuper: You're late :-)
15:05 < SupSuper> did i say GMT? i meant BST? ;p
15:06 <@pmprog> We are no longer  in BST :-)
15:06 < SupSuper> oh no you caught me
15:06 < SupSuper> yeah i kinda forgot about lunch, i'd rather start streaming on a full stomach
15:07 < SupSuper> will probably start streaming in 30-60m
15:07 <@pmprog> Well, I'll be waiting... but it's also the Starcraft 2 tournament today
15:07 < SupSuper> oh nooooooooo
15:08 < SupSuper> shit even firaxis is doing extralife. you're not supposed to work on weekends!
15:08 <@pmprog> lol
15:08 <@pmprog> Maybe you could link up streams at some point? ;-)
15:08 <@pmprog> XCOM vs OpenXcom at Enemy Unknown's Multiplayer?
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19:04 < SupSuper> Istrebitel: is it normal for battlescape to crash?
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11:41 < kkmic> Can't run OpenApoc, "Failed to create window" on startup: http://pastebin.com/UhgrsnUv
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15:09 <@JonnyH> kkmic: huh... weird
15:10 <@JonnyH> Running from a terminal without DISPLAY set?
15:11 < kkmic> Running from a terminal, yes, but with the same configuration that it used before
15:12 < kkmic> Hmm... the video driver was updated, could that be the culprit?
15:12 <@JonnyH> I've only seen that when running tmux that was spawned on a diferent X or something....
15:12 < kkmic> I'll try a restart later
15:12 <@JonnyH> I'll add a bit more debug output, then if you run it again hopefully it'll tell us /why/ the window create failed...
15:12 < kkmic> sure, go ahead
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15:14 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a5d74e4 Jonathan Hamilton: Lots of ccache misses - maybe hitting size limits?
15:14 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 24e1134 Jonathan Hamilton: Const-ify some DataExtractor functions
15:14 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9a58953 Jonathan Hamilton: Disable cotire (PCH) on travis builds...
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15:16 < kkmic> Building now
15:18 < kkmic> Done
15:19 < kkmic> Couldn't find matching GLX visual
15:19 <@JonnyH> It sounds like the OpengL.so it's linked against doesn't match the libGLX currently used by X
15:19 <@JonnyH> Are you using the nvidia binary drivers?
15:19 <@JonnyH> 'caus they need to restart X to get the new .so after an update
15:20 < kkmic> Like I said, the nVidia driver was updated today, perhaps a reboot is needed?
15:20 < kkmic> I'll do one a bit later
15:20 <@JonnyH> I'd guess so?
15:20 <@JonnyH> I don't use the nvidia drivers, so it might need more poking than mesa
15:20 < kkmic> Can't really say
15:21 < kkmic> glxgears fails with "Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual"
15:21 <@JonnyH> IIRC the binary drivers _do_ replace the GLX extension .so used by the X server
15:21 <@JonnyH> so it might not like having a different verison of that
15:21 < kkmic> Since it was working fine some time ago, it's definitely something related to the driver
15:22 < kkmic> So yeah, most likely a restart will fix it
15:24 <@JonnyH> might be interesting to see if any other glx app also fails
15:24 <@JonnyH> like glxgears or something equally simple..
15:24 <@JonnyH> But we do ask for a 5551 config, which is a bit weird...
15:24 < kkmic> Then let me quote myself: '<kkmic> glxgears fails with "Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual"' :D
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16:04 < kkmic> I'll reboot my machine and see how it goes
16:16 < kkmic> Works just fine after reboot
16:16 <@JonnyH> :)
16:16 < kkmic> The tear seems to be gone also
16:17 <@JonnyH> you can also change the swap interval
16:17 <@JonnyH> IIRC the default 'tears' (unless it's globally enabled)
16:17 < kkmic> What good would that do?
16:17 <@JonnyH> --Framework.SwapInterval=0
16:17 <@JonnyH> =1 enabled vsync
16:18 <@JonnyH> =-1 enabled 'vsync unless we can't keep up, then tear'
16:18 < kkmic> 0 means = ?
16:18 <@JonnyH> 0 means present immediately (don't wait for vsync, so tear, it's the default)
16:19 <@JonnyH> >1 is probably pretty useless
16:19 <@JonnyH> as it'll complete a frame, then wait (that number) of frames before presenting
16:19 <@JonnyH> so it just increases lag with no advantage in this case
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08:20 < kkmic> I see
08:21 < kkmic> Do I need to explicitly add that value in the config?
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08:39 < Colombo1> Oi, there might be a good place to ask. Its not related to Apoc, but still.
08:40 < Colombo1> I use make for my analysis pipeline, instead of compiling binary, I "compile" results.
08:40 < Colombo1> However, I have several almost same makefiles, is there way how to generate makefiles?
08:41 < Colombo1> I looked at autotools, Cmake and all of them looked a bit too clutchy, they all concentrated on guessing C/C++ stuff.... and stuff...
08:44 < kkmic> Try cmake?
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09:01 < Colombo1> and do you have non-convolutet tutorial for Cmake?
09:03 < kkmic> Sadly, no
09:03 < Colombo1> :(
09:10 < kkmic> Have you tried googling around?
09:10 < kkmic> There has to be a nice tutorial somewhere
09:11 < kkmic> This looks pretty detailed: https://tuannguyen68.gitbooks.io/learning-cmake-a-beginner-s-guide/content/chap1/chap1.html
09:12 < Colombo1> kkmic: yes, I saw that one. Unfortunately, what only works is chapter 1, everything else is broken (or not yet finished?)
09:13 < kkmic> Not sure what to say, I'm not a C++ guy
09:13 < kkmic> Maibe JonnyH can help you, he's the guru around here :)
09:15 < Colombo1> I am not C++ guy either:( I want it for analysis pipeline:(
09:15 < Colombo1> I am at stage "screw it, I cat!"
09:15 < Colombo1> *I cat it!
09:16 < kkmic> :)
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15:17 <@JonnyH> I think cmake is useful for c/c++
15:17 <@JonnyH> for 'custom' tools, maybe raw make would be better...
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15:38 <@JonnyH> 'including' files in make might be a better solution
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18:56 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a02756a Jonathan Hamilton: Prefer RGBA 8888 OpenGL contexts...
18:56 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9d6a060 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix crash due to readAliases() being called before fw()->data is set...
18:56 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7abe474 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix some excessive string copies, add cStrLength()...
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19:23 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 34f1f73 Jonathan Hamilton: Update msvc project with a couple of header changes
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20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> oh sup
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> I changed the windows  build a bit
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> removing the boost::format and boost::filesystem dependencies
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> and killed that 'map<map<map<map... type name truncated
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> warning, as it was annoying me
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Windows builds are now ~40% faster on my machinbe
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23:19 < SupSuper> i need to race openxcom and openapoc builds after you dissed me :p
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23:25 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a big difference on linux/windows
23:25 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe I tend to use stuff that 'happens' to be fast on gcc 
23:25 < SupSuper> linux probably has boost pre-built for one
23:25 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, that's one
23:26 < SupSuper> i forget why you decided to go with source versions over lib versions on windows
23:26 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it was 'caus I was still trying to keep 2013 and 2015 working at the same time
23:26 <@JonnyH`Work> and fewer dlls = good
23:30 < SupSuper> it does mean you currently have over 12k source files
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> :O
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> 99% are headers we don't actually use, right?
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> '
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus the packages are 'ALL BOOST HEADERS'
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> then per-module .cpp source
23:31 < SupSuper> hope so :p
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> so even if you use prebuilt boost, the headers are the same?
23:32 < SupSuper> 442 without dependencies, a bit below openxcom's 654
23:32 <@JonnyH`Work> but those files... Damn
23:33 < SupSuper> i dunno what exactly triggers a boost rebuild in msvc, because i doubt boost changes much
23:40 < SupSuper> seems the extractor broke?
23:40 < SupSuper> instead of generating a "difficulty2_patched" folder it generated a "difficulty2_patched" file
23:42 < SupSuper> and the "difficulty1_patched" folder is empty...
23:42 < SupSuper> something's not right
23:43 < SupSuper> on that note, if the data's missing the game just crashes all unfriendly like :p
23:45 < SupSuper> oh ok i just noticed the files are intentional. so i guess the problem is the opposite, "difficulty1_patched" isn't getting filed properly?
23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I changed it to use the files, as it was easier to manage
23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> so I guess it'd fail to write them if you had a directory of the same name there from an old build...
23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> If you 'clean' the data project that should delete those?
23:49 < SupSuper> i tried deleting everything and regenerating and got the same result
23:54 <@JonnyH`Work> It crashes at new game? Or entering battle?
23:55 <@JonnyH`Work> do you have a data/difficulty1_patched dir or file?
23:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Same with data/gamestate_common?
23:56 < SupSuper> cleaned out all the data, everything's generated correctly except "difficulty1_patched" which is an empty dir
23:56 < SupSuper> so the game crashes if you try to start on Novice difficulty, any other works fine
23:56 <@JonnyH`Work> ..there shouldn't be a dir there
23:56 <@JonnyH`Work> remove the dir, does it get regenerated?
23:56 <@JonnyH`Work> it should be a file, not a dir
23:58 < SupSuper> deleted everything, the dir is regenerated
23:59 <@JonnyH`Work> ...huh
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00:00 < SupSuper> found the problem
00:00 < SupSuper> your custom msvc build step is still pointing to a directory
00:00 <@JonnyH`Work> noticed that myself :)
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00:01 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0ecc647 Jonathan Hamilton: Pack gamestate_common too
00:01 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 012e0d2 Jonathan Hamilton: Fixup generated data 'output' file in msvc build
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00:01 < SupSuper> since i tried creating my own file and that caused the error "Severity	Code	Description	Project	File	Line	Suppression State
00:01 < SupSuper> Error	MSB3191	Unable to create directory "D:\SupFiles\Coding Projects\OpenApoc\data\difficulty1_patched\". Cannot create "D:\SupFiles\Coding Projects\OpenApoc\data\difficulty1_patched" because a file or directory with the same name already exists."
00:02 < SupSuper> so i guess msvc is smart enough to "reserve" the path for the output :p
00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC I only put something there as it wouldn't run without /some/ output...
00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I could list all the output 'properly', like I do in cmake
00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> but that would make the list rather long :)
00:03 < SupSuper> well not as long now that they're compressed files :p
00:03 <@JonnyH`Work> seems to work for me on novice now
00:03 <@JonnyH`Work> It's still long, I douby you could do maps/* or tilesets/*
00:07 <@JonnyH`Work> ..if I remove the 'Condition' attribute from the ItemDefinitionGroup does that run for *all* config/platform pairs then?
00:11 < SupSuper> yes, but the ide will probably just rewrite it next time you save :p
00:11 < SupSuper> the build system is smart enough to have things shared between configurations (since they're just conditionals), but the ide would rather not decipher what is intended to be shared or not so it just duplicates everything per configuration
00:12 <@JonnyH`Work> msbuild seems loosely related to the options you set in the gui
00:13 < SupSuper> well i mean, you could hand-write your own optimal xml and it would probably work fine. it's just the ide can't maintain it :p
00:14 < SupSuper> after all how many parsers maintain the source format
00:16 < SupSuper> and i think msbuild directly digests vcproj's
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00:18 <@JonnyH`Work> that's what cmake can generate too
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00:23 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW was it any faster to build generally?
00:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyway, I'd better go before the riots break out
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00:31 < SupSuper> seemed like it
00:31 < SupSuper> so good job
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10:30 < kkmic> library/strings_format.h:4:48: fatal error: dependencies/tinyformat/tinyformat.h: No such file or directory
10:30 < kkmic> Ahhh..
10:30 < kkmic> git submodule...
10:41 < kkmic> Got a segfault when entering a battle: http://pastebin.com/Yx2UpBND
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15:20 <@JonnyH`Away> kkmic: Ooh, I changed a bit on how battle animations are selected...
15:20 <@JonnyH`Away> which map was that?
15:20 <@JonnyH`Away> You might also have stale data
15:21 <@JonnyH`Away> make sure there are no subdirectories in data/animationpacks/
15:21 <@JonnyH`Away> they should be files now (but having a dir of the same name blocks them)
15:21 < kkmic> The map was Temple of Apocalypse, IIRC
15:22 <@JonnyH`Away> 'make clean' should correctly wipe and data
15:22 < kkmic> Okay, I'll give it a shot
15:23 < kkmic> Okay, I did a "make clean"
15:24 < kkmic> I'll let you know how it went after it builds
15:24 <@JonnyH`Away> :)
15:31 < kkmic> It works now
15:31 <@JonnyH`Away> cool
15:31 < kkmic> Must have been some stale data, like you said
15:32 <@JonnyH`Away> As I said, I changed the format, and switched from directories-full-of-xml-files to a single packed zip at the same time
15:32 < kkmic> Still got a crash
15:32 < kkmic> :)
15:32 <@JonnyH`Away> so it would happen to fail to overwrite the stale data if there was a directory of the same name
15:32 <@JonnyH`Away> Oh, where?
15:32 < kkmic> Nowere in particular, I was just moving the unis around
15:33 < kkmic> *agents
15:33 < kkmic> I'll try to run it in gdb
15:34 < kkmic> Note: a fade in would be nice from the loading screen :)
15:34 < kkmic> In the Cityscape I mean
15:34 <@JonnyH`Away> Yeah, fade-in/out between screens was something the original actually had
15:35 < kkmic> Yeah? I don't remember
15:36 < kkmic> Cool, I have just sent one of my guys away from the battlescape
15:37 < kkmic> No crash so far
15:40 < kkmic> Nothing
15:40 < kkmic> I'll try running it in a debugger from now on
15:40 <@JonnyH`Away> Naturally, crashes never reproduce in debug environments...
15:40 < kkmic> Yeah, as usual
15:41 <@JonnyH`Away> should enable core dumps
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15:45 < kkmic> Teach me master!
15:46 <@JonnyH> If you're using systemd you probably already have them in /var/lib/systemd/coredump
15:46 <@JonnyH> otherwise ulimit
15:46 <@JonnyH> errmmm
15:46 <@JonnyH> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Core_dump#Using_ulimit
15:46 <@JonnyH> has some info
15:46 < kkmic> I have the dir, but it's empty
15:47 <@JonnyH> maybe it's disabled on your distro...
15:48 < kkmic> Ubuntu 16.04
15:48 < kkmic> Kubuntu actually, but that should not make a difference
15:49 <@JonnyH> god knows, ubuntu do _everything_ differently
15:49 < kkmic> Let's try a google
15:52 < kkmic> Pretty messy
16:00 < kkmic> I'm throwing the towel for the moment
16:01 <@JonnyH> I've been poking around a while and not seen anything either...
16:01 <@JonnyH> We leak a few things, but no crashes
16:02 < kkmic> There was no particular action that lead to the crash, it must have been a build-up of actions... the "if I do these random things it will crash" debugger's nightmare
16:03 <@JonnyH> I get some annoying pauses when 2 people are trying to walk into the same tile
16:03 <@JonnyH> looks like it's constantly re-pathing...
16:05 < kkmic> Like I said, I was moving the agents around... but who knows if it was what ie led to the crash
16:06 < kkmic> *what it led
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08:17 < kkmic> Mornin'
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15:35 < kkmic> Hey JonnyH
15:35 <@JonnyH> hey there
15:35 <@JonnyH> What have I broken now? :P
15:35 < kkmic> No random crashes so far
15:35 <@JonnyH> Well, kinda good, kinda bad if it'll just explode later...
15:36 < kkmic> Could be because I had no time to start OpenApoc for testing... not 100% sure if it's related, though...
15:38 < kkmic> Other than that, everything is excelent
15:38 <@JonnyH> other than half the features missing, ofc :P
15:38 < kkmic> Minor annoyance at best
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23:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2abc372 Jonathan Hamilton: Make Log* use OpenApoc::format instead of printf...
23:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 29baea1 Jonathan Hamilton: Remove explicit UString->char* conversion in Logging
23:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master df7b656 Jonathan Hamilton: Add stream output operators for Vec2/Vec3/Rect...
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08:13 < kkmic> Hey JonnyH`Away, I have a new shiny crash for you: http://pastebin.com/PBp2bsS2
08:14 < kkmic> While walking my guys around in the Temple of the Apocalypse
08:14 < kkmic> I did a "make clean" before building it this time
08:14 < kkmic> Have fun! :D
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15:30 <@JonnyH> kkmic: An interesting one there... Looks like a hazard has gone rogue?
15:31 <@JonnyH> Did you throw any grenades/damage any scenery to create smoke/fire?
15:32 < kkmic> Nope, I just moved the agents around
15:32 < kkmic> Maybe someone fired at them and created a cloud of smoke?
15:33 <@JonnyH> I'll give it a go anyway...
15:40 <@JonnyH> reproduced it
15:42 <@JonnyH> now to figure out what's going on...
15:54 < kkmic> Hazard issue?
15:54 <@JonnyH> yeah, in the same hazard iterator loop
15:54 <@JonnyH> It's a weird one though, the iterator has become completely invalid
15:54 <@JonnyH> which 'should never happen'?
15:54 <@JonnyH> might be a second order effect (memory corruption)
15:54 < kkmic> I've noticed that that game worked fine at first, then started to slow down as the agents moved around, until it crashed
15:55 <@JonnyH> most of the 'slowdown' is discovering new tiles
15:55 <@JonnyH> and pathfinding is slow
15:55 < kkmic> Not sure if related though
15:56 <@JonnyH> sanitize has spotted a use-after-free :)
15:56 <@JonnyH> so yeah, memory corruption
16:01 < kkmic> So the memory is freed and then is accessed from somewhere else?
16:01 <@JonnyH> it seems to be free'd and used in that hazard loop...
16:01 <@JonnyH> but storing the iterator should be valid..
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16:04 < kkmic> Can't say
16:04 < kkmic> I don't speak C++
16:07 < kkmic> Well, have fun there
16:07 < kkmic> I'm out for the weekend
17:04 <@JonnyH> So what's happening is that a hazard is 'growing'
17:04 <@JonnyH> IE fire / smoke spreading
17:04 <@JonnyH> and that happens to replacing the 'next' hazard it would have updated
17:05 <@JonnyH> so the 'next' iterator is invalidated and deleted
17:05 <@JonnyH> then we try to use it :(
17:06 <@JonnyH> I'll have to think about how to fix it...
17:06 <@JonnyH> It's not trivial
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17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> thanks for the report kkmic, it might have sat there unknown for quite some time...
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: If you happen to get around to fixing that... :)
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I won't be able to look at it till this evening my time
18:03 < Istrebitel> I'll get to it tomorrow
18:03 < Istrebitel> as to slow, yes, I have made algorithm like it was in UFO1&2 but it can't handle real time when many people are moving
18:03 < Istrebitel> so I've decided to actually do it PROPERLY, like it's done in Apoc. Never noticed it was vastly different!
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02:54 < Iamasandwich> hey all. hows everyone doing?
04:00 < frumple> sipping coffee, you?
04:11 < Iamasandwich> not too much. setting up a surprise new phone. cause my wife dropped hers in the toilet. lol
04:13 < frumple> a surprise for the plumber
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14:25 < Kaljakoppa> https://youtu.be/bpJ6KGttJhM
14:27 < frumple> sexy
14:29 < Kaljakoppa> Not as sexy as stupid Flanders though...
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20:29 < pmprog_laptop> Hey SupSuper, how did your stream go in the end?
20:33 < SupSuper> it went alright. we got to like week 2 of apoc, and only a few mindless destruction on the way? :v
20:33 < SupSuper> someone still needs to make a video of openapoc though
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> Was my last video not good enough?
20:39 < SupSuper> did you advertise it? didn't see any newsposts on it, maybe i check the wrong places
20:39 < pmprog_laptop> Posted it on FB IIRC
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> Haven't put it on the forum though
20:40 < SupSuper> yeah i definitely don't go on FB :p
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfZlxqow6gQ
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> Just posted it to the forum too
20:47 < SupSuper> oh right
20:47 < SupSuper> turn-based mode *shudders*
20:48 < pmprog_laptop> hehe, I don't think it was "really" turnbased :-)
20:49 < SupSuper> on the bright side, replaying apoc has made me realize you can get away with just having organizations faffing about because 90% of the game is alien invasions
20:51 < pmprog_laptop> Cool
20:52 < SupSuper> so once we have items and missions, that's most of the game done? maybe?
20:54 < pmprog_laptop> Well, some of the orgs have city-wide uses, like fixing the roads, and taxi-ing your recruits
20:57 < SupSuper> yeah but that's flavor by comparison. we can probably cheat those until we have all the details
20:57 < pmprog_laptop> absolutely
20:57 < SupSuper> hell who needs roads when you got no ground vehicles :p
21:11 < pmprog_laptop> hehehe, unfortunately, all your new recruits come via road
21:53 < Pawlac> doesn't have apocalypse have some function where items need to be actually "build" before they become available? Like the Megapol items
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04:10 < Iamasandwich> howdy. anyone here?
04:10 < Iamasandwich> we are modless O_o
04:23 < Lightkey> oh noes
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04:29 < frumple> there are allways ninja. allways.
04:34 < Iamasandwich> fuckin’ a. a new dependency they added (tinyformat) breaks mac compilation
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05:13 < Iamasandwich> i might be able to make a pull request!
05:15 < Iamasandwich> nevermind :-(
05:15 < Iamasandwich> i hate C++
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06:18 < Iamasandwich> so there is some issue with operator<< in rect.h
06:18 < Iamasandwich> and i can’t fix it
06:18 < Iamasandwich> basically, operator<< needs to be declared before its used
06:18 < Iamasandwich> but i don’t know enough C++ to undertand the issue
06:19 < Iamasandwich> tinyformat error: call to function 'operator<<' that is neither visible in the template definition nor found by argument-dependent lookup
06:19 < Iamasandwich> i’m gonna give you a full pastebin in a second
06:21 < Iamasandwich> http://pastebin.com/nGpSyPFN
06:44 < Iamasandwich> so yeah, gcc does something that cland doesn't
06:44 < Iamasandwich> and i’m just like derp
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18:57 <@JonnyH> Oops... I fixed that operator<< issue
18:57 <@JonnyH> but never actually pushed to pmprog...
18:58 < frumple> what was the issue?
18:59 < frumple> possesion by demons?
19:01 <@JonnyH> Iamasandwich noticed it broke MacOS
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19:01 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vX67e
19:01 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 100303b Jonathan Hamilton: Fix clang build with operator<< change...
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19:37 < SupSuper> don't you have clang on travis?
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19:45 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: I do. And mac builds too
19:46 <@JonnyH> but that doesn't help if I didn't push the fix to pmprog, as my travis 'passed' :P
19:46 < SupSuper> ah right, i forgot your travis is in the phantom zone
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19:42 < TheSnide> it broke MacOS <-- does it mean it is supported ? _o/
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it should work
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> We added it to the CI builds too, so we know it at least builds...
20:05 < SupSuper> ominous news for mac users: https://archive.fo/Cql2l
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> is nothing sacred?
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20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> wait... that looks like xamarin studio, not visual studio...
21:05 < SupSuper> they're probably combining both. why offer two competing products?
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Completely different codebase? Like VS and VS:Code?
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess they like their VS brand name so much they want to use it for multiple products
21:07 < SupSuper> well xamarin studio is crap, so if they can fix that that would be great
21:07 < SupSuper> fix mono while they're there :p
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I've not really used mono
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> all I know is the version they ship with unity is _ancient_
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21:10 < SupSuper> let's not talk about unity mono
21:10 < SupSuper> it's .net 2.0 with a little bit of 3.5 :p
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> It's also got a stop-the-world GC
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> AKA 'impossible to make games that don't randomly drop frames'
21:11 < SupSuper> i never wished more that microsoft would just buy everyone involved so they can solve that horrifying clusterfuck
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Isn't that the point of their .net core release?
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> so mono etc. can use the 'same' runtime?
21:12 < SupSuper> yeah but unity's custom brand of mono is probably a sunk cost at this point
21:12 < SupSuper> since they also built their own extensions and native compiler and junk on top of it
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I seem to remember them trying to pull it up to a more modern version in some opt-in alpha a couple of months ago..
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Though it's probably different enough it's not just a drop-in replacement
21:13 < SupSuper> you know, all the stuff microsoft has already made much better :p so everyone's hoping really really hard they can eventually move on
21:14 < SupSuper> the main issue with mono is similar, it's basically a much more inferior home-brand version of .net
21:14 < SupSuper> in fact once microsoft open-sourced .net, they transplanted lots of it into mono because it was so much better
21:15 < SupSuper> and as a programmer... god i just want the mess to be over :p
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, a lot of the runtime was 'reverse engineered' from the docs
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> which is less than ideal :P
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> a lot of things 'matched the docs' but (undocumented, incorrectly documented) corner cases weren't the same so broke stuff
21:16 < SupSuper> yeah stuff like parsing suffered pretty bad
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> plus stuff like the old gc was *bad*
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> not just 'not good', but pretty crappy
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRc it was only changed by default pretty recently too
21:17 < SupSuper> right. and that's the last thing you wanna hear as a gamedev :p
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> 'Oh, if you create too many objects in a heap (which are non-obvious and platform-dependant) it'll possibily suspend everything for many tens of ms'
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> hence stuff like 'object pools' becoming a thing...
21:19 < SupSuper> and foreach thrashing the heap :p
21:20 < SupSuper> although object pools are a general unity problem. unity is just bad at loading, it can only load stuff manually or on-demand, and always with a noticable frame drop
21:22 < SupSuper> but in the end unity has thousands of games so i guess the moral is "nobody cares if you're wasting your precious Ghz" :p
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> And 'big' games end up working around so much unity behaviour it's crazy
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> the engineering effort 'wasted'...
21:24 < SupSuper> or the money 'wasted' on cheap asset store solutions :p
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22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, SupSuper, did you have a chance to look at my pull request?
22:55 < SupSuper> can i trust your pull requests? :p
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Yes, of course
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> *shifty eyes*
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I'
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Do you think it's sane first
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Should I add a coment about updateDiaries() 'removing' the killed list?
22:57 < SupSuper> *shrug* i didn't write the diaries
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Should I make it an array of shared_ptr<>s for the sole purpose of annoying people with old compilers?
22:59 <@JonnyH`Work> It'
22:59 <@JonnyH`Work> ....It's a pretty small leak, but easily reproduceable
22:59 <@JonnyH`Work> start battle - drop grenade - abandon game
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> but at the same time probably a not a big deal, as people aren't constantly abandoning games normally...
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Meh
23:02 < SupSuper> eh the less leaks the better. linux nerds love running stuff with sanitizers that don't allow any leaks :p
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> us linux weenies are too dumb to write good code
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> so we rely on tools to tell us what to fix
23:13 < SupSuper> speaking of http://scarybeastsecurity.blogspot.pt/2016/11/0day-exploit-compromising-linux-desktop.html
23:14 <@JonnyH`Work> 'NES format' music?
23:14 <@JonnyH`Work> embedded opcodes???
23:15 <@JonnyH`Work> what kind of 'audio format' is that??
23:15 < SupSuper> guessing it's one of those libs that supports every format in history
23:15 < SupSuper> you know, like ffmpeg :p
23:16 <@JonnyH`Work> the real question is why ubuntu is shipping 'gst-plugins-bad'
23:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and a legacy version at that...
23:19 < SupSuper> you need to ask?
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23:34 < SupSuper> i bet they still haven't updated sdl_gfx :p
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> *sigh* this 'pulseaudio sucks' meme needs to die...
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> same with systemd
23:46 < SupSuper> http://openxcom.org/bugs/openxcom/issues/1256 seems to suck to me :p
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23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> One of the kernel mailing lists I'm on was debugging a failure to boot (power supply related) on a soc
23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> and some genius piped up "Oh, yeah, $DISTRO uses systemd and that sucks - try disabling it!"
23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> when it has yet to get to userspace...
23:50 < SupSuper> the real question is why do you have fighting standards. can't you learn from windows mistakes? :p
23:51 <@JonnyH`Work> 'fighting standards'?
23:51 < SupSuper> remember when we had directsound and eax and openal and all that good stuff. all gone :p
23:52 <@JonnyH`Work> we have 2 interfaces, the driver interface (ALSA) and the user interface (Pulseaudio)
23:52 <@JonnyH`Work> all the other user interfaces (ESound, ARTS) have died?
23:53 < SupSuper> so why are alsa and pulseaudio different settings?
23:53 <@JonnyH`Work> ALSA isn't really the same level as Pulseaudio
23:53 < SupSuper> also wasn't something new being cooked up?
23:53 <@JonnyH`Work> it's a direct export of the driver, so if your sound card doesn't support it, it'll disable it?
23:53 <@JonnyH`Work> It's like 'direct access mode' in windows WDM
23:54 < SupSuper> hm
23:54 < SupSuper> well thank god for sdl1.2 to remind us the horrors we've been through: https://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-1.2.15/docs/html/sdlenvvars.html
23:54 <@JonnyH`Work> so it'll disable user volume control, multi-stream, redirecting streams etc.
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00:05 <@JonnyH`Work> My distro now defaults SDL to pulse...
00:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and even using the alsa driver redirects through pulse
00:07 <@JonnyH`Work> and that bt is kinda useless without backtracing the audio thread...
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14:44 < Istrebitel> hmm
14:44 < Istrebitel> remind me again, what do I type in order to update submodules? git submodule update does not work, I still get "cannot include tinyformat.h no such file"
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15:01 <@JonnyH> 'git submodules init'
15:01 <@JonnyH> then 'git submodules update'
15:01 <@JonnyH> 'update' won't add new ones
15:02 <@JonnyH> unfortunately, git submodules are even worse than the rest of git from a UI point of view
15:02 <@JonnyH> and considering the rest of git's UI is terrible....
15:04 < Istrebitel> fatal: No url found for submodule path 'dependencies/tinyxml2' in .gitmodules
15:07 <@JonnyH> you have to delete the tinyxml2 dependency
15:07 <@JonnyH> as we no longer need it
15:08 <@JonnyH> git deinit dependencies/tinyxml2
15:08 <@JonnyH> should work
15:11 <@JonnyH> it config -f .git/config --remove-section submodule.dependencies/tinyxml
15:11 <@JonnyH> git config -f .git/config --remove-section submodule.dependencies/tinyxml
15:11 <@JonnyH> should also work
15:12 <@JonnyH> as you can't deinit *after* it's been removed for some weird reason...
15:22 < Istrebitel> hmm
15:22 < Istrebitel> no such section
15:22 <@JonnyH> then it should work?
15:22 <@JonnyH> is tinyxml2 still listed in 'git submodules'?
15:22 <@JonnyH> 'submodule' sorry - singular
15:23 < Istrebitel> E:\Projects\GitHub\OpenApoc [master ^]> git deinit dependencies/tinyxml2
15:23 < Istrebitel> git: 'deinit' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.
15:23 < Istrebitel> E:\Projects\GitHub\OpenApoc [master ^]> git submodule deinit dependencies/tinyxm
15:23 < Istrebitel> l2
15:23 < Istrebitel> fatal: no submodule mapping found in .gitmodules for path 'dependencies/tinyxml2
15:23 < Istrebitel> '
15:23 < Istrebitel> E:\Projects\GitHub\OpenApoc [master ^]> git config -f .git/config --remove-secti
15:23 < Istrebitel> on submodule.dependencies/tinyxml
15:23 < Istrebitel> fatal: No such section!
15:23 < Istrebitel> E:\Projects\GitHub\OpenApoc [master ^]> git submodule
15:23 < Istrebitel>  407d671954030b5875f3ad0328f2810ab7839f37 dependencies/glm (0.9.5.3-688-g407d671
15:23 < Istrebitel> )
15:23 < Istrebitel> hmm
15:23 <@JonnyH> git config -f .git/config --remove-section submodule.dependencies/tinyxml2
15:23 <@JonnyH> sorry, i missed the '2' at the end :)
15:23 < Istrebitel> ah I see
15:23 <@JonnyH> this is a mess...
15:24 < Istrebitel> still says "fatal" when I do "git submodule"
15:24 <@JonnyH> Maybe I just shouldn't use submodules in the future...
15:24 < Istrebitel> hmm, aren't we using them intended way?
15:24 <@JonnyH> try the config first
15:24 <@JonnyH> Yeah, we are
15:24 < Istrebitel> so why shouldn't we?
15:24 < Istrebitel> "try config first" - i did, no response
15:24 <@JonnyH> but adding/removing them doesn't seem to sit correctly when updating
15:24 <@JonnyH> it always seems to require a manual step...
15:25 < Istrebitel> when i did "git config -f .git/config --remove-section submodule.dependencies/tinyxml2" first time there was no output
15:25 < Istrebitel> when i did it second time it said "no such section"
15:25 <@JonnyH> ok, so the first time it removed the section
15:25 < Istrebitel> when I do git submodule it says "no submodule mapping for tinyxml2
15:27 <@JonnyH> maybe it got pulled in as a merge again
15:28 <@JonnyH> try 'git rm dependencies/tinyxml2'?
15:31 < Istrebitel> could not find section
15:33 <@JonnyH> does 'git status' show any changed files? Like dependencies/tinyxml2 somehow being staged?
15:33 < Istrebitel> it shows deleted dependencies/tinyxml2
15:34 <@JonnyH> ok, and now 'git submodule update' still prints errors?
15:38 <@JonnyH> If you have no outstanding work
15:39 <@JonnyH> it might be easier to blow away the whole directory and re-clone...
15:39 <@JonnyH> there *has* to be a better way of doing this.. I must be missing something...
15:41 < Istrebitel> well it doesn't
15:41 < Istrebitel> but it didn't in the first place
15:41 < Istrebitel> visual studio can't find file
15:41 <@JonnyH> 'git submodule init dependencies/tinyformat'
15:41 <@JonnyH> does that do anything?
15:41 < Istrebitel> for some reason, update seems not to get the file
15:42 < Istrebitel> "did not match any file known to git"
15:42 <@JonnyH> what sha is your head?
15:42 <@JonnyH> IE the top of 'git log'?
15:43 <@JonnyH> or the output of 'git rev-parse --short HEAD'?
15:43 < Istrebitel> a commit i just made
15:43 < Istrebitel> when merging
15:44 < Istrebitel> i mean, updating from mastedr
15:44 < Istrebitel> and merging
15:44 <@JonnyH> so I guess the merge somehow lost the tinyformat submodule add....
15:44 < Istrebitel> git log
15:44 < Istrebitel> hmm
15:44 < Istrebitel> didn't copy
15:44 < Istrebitel> .
15:44 < Istrebitel> E:\Projects\GitHub\OpenApoc [master ↑ +0 ~0 -1 ~]> git log
15:44 < Istrebitel> commit 0dc0ba3ace4edd09d2d225b918edb98aa01ee8a1
15:44 < Istrebitel> Merge: 5afcd10 100303b
15:44 < Istrebitel> Author: Istrebitel <no.ads.starsabre@gmail.com>
15:44 < Istrebitel> Date:   Wed Nov 16 17:41:20 2016 +0300
15:44 < Istrebitel>     Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/pmprog/master'
15:44 < Istrebitel>     # Conflicts:
15:44 < Istrebitel>     #       game/state/tileview/pathfinding.cpp
15:44 < Istrebitel>     #       game/ui/battle/battleview.cpp
15:44 < Istrebitel> here
15:44 <@JonnyH> you could manually do:
15:45 <@JonnyH> git submodule add https://github.com/c42f/tinyformat.git depdencies/tinyformat
15:45 <@JonnyH> to 're-add' it...
15:45 <@JonnyH> dependencies/tinyformat at the end there...
15:45 <@JonnyH> typos don't help :P
15:58 < Istrebitel> oh ffs
15:58 < Istrebitel> "already exists and not a valid git repo"
15:58 < Istrebitel> maybe we're doing something wrong? or I am?
15:58 < Istrebitel> I mean it should work better than this
15:58 <@JonnyH> I haven't tested adding submodules over a merge...
15:58 <@JonnyH> Maybe I'm doing something wrong..
15:59 <@JonnyH> But I can't see *what*
15:59 <@JonnyH> try removing the dependencies/tinyformat directory
15:59 < Istrebitel> done
15:59 <@JonnyH> and the .git/modules/dependencies/tinyformat directory
15:59 < Istrebitel> (it was empty)
16:00 < Istrebitel> nothing there
16:00 < Istrebitel> but tinyxml2 is still present
16:00 <@JonnyH> then try the 'git submodule add https://github.com/c42f/tinyformat.git dependencies/tinyformat'
16:00 <@JonnyH> again
16:00 < Istrebitel> ok now it worked
16:00 < Istrebitel> should I leave tinyxml2 there?
16:00 <@JonnyH> You can delete the .git/modules/dependencies/tinyxml2 directory
16:01 <@JonnyH> if it's not referenced it won't be used, *should* be harmless
16:01 <@JonnyH> but clearly I don't know anything about submodules...
16:01 <@JonnyH> may as well get rid of it
16:01 <@JonnyH> after the add does 'git status' think anything has changed?
16:12 < Istrebitel> thank you
16:12 < Istrebitel> it looks like fixed
16:13 < Istrebitel> i'll rebuild and see if it works
16:13 < Istrebitel> btw
16:13 < Istrebitel> rebuild = clean + build, right?
16:13 <@JonnyH> yeah
16:13 <@JonnyH> it runs the 'clean' target
16:13 <@JonnyH> (so it removes data etc.)
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17:26 < Istrebitel> oh, that hing again
17:26 < Istrebitel> cannot commit dependencies, add them as submodules
17:27 < Istrebitel> or rather
17:27 < Istrebitel> cannot commit submodules tinyformat
17:27 < Istrebitel> add them as submodules
17:29 < Istrebitel> remind me again, what should I type in this case?
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure...
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> don't remember seeing that before...
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17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog
17:35 <@pmprog> Hiya, how's things?
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> alright
17:35 <@pmprog> Good stuff
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Currently hating how annoying git submodules can be
17:35 <@pmprog> Yeah, I don't like them at all
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> adding/removing a submodule seems a recipe for disaster...
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm tempted just to add the files into openapoc.git directly...
17:36 <@pmprog> In fact, since OpenApoc, when I've tried to combine projects, I just keep them seperate and clone them near each other
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus we rarely update them, it's not as if we'll ruin our history with millions of dependency check-ins...
17:36 <@pmprog> and rely on local paths
17:36 <@pmprog> Sure, and you know it'll always have a working edition
17:36 <@JonnyH`Work> which is a shame, as that's *exactly* what submodules should be used for...
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> but if they're so unusable...
17:37 <@pmprog> Does Hg (or is it Mg) have "submodules"?
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably as an extension
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> My biggest beef with mercurial is all the 'useful' functionality seems to be an extension
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> which have to be enabled locally...
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> so there's no 'one step setup project' like clone --recursive is
17:38 <@pmprog> I've never actually used it
17:38 <@pmprog> I just know it seems to be a common alternative to git, and svn has almost passed away
17:39 <@pmprog> Bah, I don't know how to reply to Humble Bundle... Don't you hate it when you ask a question and they talk about something slightly different
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> in a forum? Or email or something?
17:40 <@pmprog> Email. I was having a problem with the Browser Verification on my laptop, so I asked if it could just be disabled, and they've emailed back saying they can get my account access back
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> is there a sane x-reply-to?
17:41 <@pmprog> But I have account access on my other machines... I just don't want the Browser Verification
17:41 <@pmprog> Oh yeah, it goes back to Humble. It was raised via their support site
17:42 <@pmprog> Like I said, my problem isn't access, I just want the bloody browser check turned off
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> often these portals ahve a magic email address that references the ticket
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> or some other x-header-id or something
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> 'browser check'?
17:43 <@pmprog> Yeah. Every time you log into your humble bundle account on a new machine/browser, it sends you a stupid email with a 6 character code you have to enter
17:44 <@pmprog> For some reason though, I can do this repeatedly on my laptop, and it still asks every time
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> you have ghostory or something that blocks cooies?
17:44 <@pmprog> I do have a cookie manager, but it's set to allow Humble - and it's the same setup I use on my desktops, which work fine
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> huh...
17:45 <@pmprog> this is why I'd rather just disable the "security feature"
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> it might be they're not setup to disable it...
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't see anything in the 'account settings'
17:45 <@pmprog> Which is fine if they can't... but that's the question I was asking
17:46 <@pmprog> and the response was about restoring my account access...
17:47 <@pmprog> which I haven't lost :/
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> does 2factor bypass that?
17:50 <@pmprog> Hmmm, no idea
17:50 <@pmprog> I don't use that either
17:51 <@pmprog> I turned 2FA off on my steam account too
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I like 2fa
17:51 <@pmprog> Let's face it, if somebody gets access to my games, they'll probably give them more use than I will
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> as at least some of my accounts have been leaked w/password hashes that are easily breakable
17:51 <@pmprog> I use PayPal, so neither Steam or Humble have any payment details
17:52 <@pmprog> (though I was pissed to find that steam had saved my paypal credentials once somehow)
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I use my credit card
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> as the proviers over here actually seem to give better security etc.
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> as in they seem very willing to cancel/refund stuff
17:54 <@pmprog> How does 2FA work? I can't imagine them sending you a fob or text message, as they have neither my phone number or address (I think)
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> it's a phone app
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> and it's initial setup with a sms to your phone number
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> so if you don't want to give your phone number I guess it's not an option
17:56 <@pmprog> Bah. Everything sucks
17:57 <@pmprog> I should really try and do some coding whilst I've got a bit of free time
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> you'll probably spend half that time fighting with git submodules at this rate...
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I also want to tweak the travis-ci build to generate ubuntu packages
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> and continue the equipscreen rework
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> and...
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, I suppose good news, switching to tinyformat took ~50% off the build time for windows...
17:59 <@pmprog> Nice
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> and I added operator<< for Rect<> and Vec<> types
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> so you no longer need to do "{%d,%d,%d}", vec.x, vec.y, vec.z
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> and just ("%s", vec)
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> does that for you
18:02 <@pmprog> Not sure that even makes sense to me
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> It was just lots of things were printing vec<> objects
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> so it made sense to have a method to do that for you
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> and tinyformat uses operator<<(std::ofstream, OBJECT) if defined
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> so I defined them for some types
18:07 <@pmprog> So you could do    Vec<int> v << "12, 3, 6";    ?
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> no, but you could do LogError("%s", Vec3<int>{1,2,3})
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> it's output, not input
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> or std::ofstream("file.out") << Vec<int>{1,2,3};
18:08 <@pmprog> Oh right, I get it now
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> you also don't need to .cStr() UStrings anymore
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> when printing using Log* or format()
18:14 <@pmprog> Is Ustring something that was written for OpenApoc, or is it a library?
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> It's something written for openapoc
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> the point was 'I want to use utf8, even on windows'
18:16 <@pmprog> Yeah, that's one of the things I hate about using C and C++ is string support.
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> like stD::wstring works in windwos
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> but in linux the platform APIs expect utf-8 chat std::string, not wchar_t std::wstring...
18:17 <@pmprog> Thought wstring was 16bit ("wide" chars)?
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> so there's no std:: type that 'works' for both windows and linux platform APIs
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> std::wstring is 32-bit 'wide' chars on linux
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> but the platform apis dont take 32-bit 'wide' chars...
18:18 <@pmprog> lol... stupid is stupid
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> and now on win32 wchar_t is locked into being 16bits
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's not fixed width anymore
18:23 <@pmprog> I'm not getting very far with anything :-(
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18:34 < Istrebitel> about what I asked:
18:34 < Istrebitel> it was the first problem I encountered with submodules
18:34 < Istrebitel> message is:
18:34 < Istrebitel> Could not commit submodules:
18:34 < Istrebitel> dependencies/tinyformat
18:34 < Istrebitel> Add them as submodules from Git Shell or remove their .git folders to add them as regular directories instead
18:35 < Istrebitel> I rmember we somehow fixed it already
18:35 < Istrebitel> before
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> That feels like it's got the tinyformat directory checked out
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> but forgot the fact it's a submodule...
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe 'git rm --cached dependencies/tinyformat'
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> delete the dependencies/tinyformat directory
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> then add thesubmodule again?
18:40 < Istrebitel> nope,. didn't help
18:40 < Istrebitel> did that and
18:40 < Istrebitel> git submodule add https://github.com/c42f/tinyformat.git dependencies/tinyformat
18:40 < Istrebitel> same error
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't seem to repro that locally..
18:41 < Istrebitel> I am checking in two files, dependencies
18:41 < Istrebitel> folder
18:41 < Istrebitel> tinyformat and tinyxmp
18:41 < Istrebitel> tinyxml2*
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> no matter what combination of missing directories/weird submodules hanging around I can get
18:41 < Istrebitel> first one adds Subproject commit 3a33bbf65442432277eee079e83d3e8fac51730c
18:41 < Istrebitel> other removes Subproject commit 4f0c2ffcab133bdf43a480c3391caef9be5acb61
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> that looks right...
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> but you can't commit that?
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19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: Do you have outstanding work that's not been merged into pmprog?
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> At this point it might be easier to reset and pull 'from scratch'...
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19:32 < Istrebitel> yes I can't commit
19:32 < Istrebitel> yes I do
19:32 < Istrebitel> I have a bunch of work
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe abort the merge
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> push the current head to your branch
19:32 < Istrebitel> When I commit I get that error message
19:32 < Istrebitel> push the current head ?
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> so I can then checkout your github to try to repro the same issue
19:32 < Istrebitel> ah
19:33 < Istrebitel> I see you mean sync?
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, sync before trying to merge in pmprog/ updates
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> so it doesn't ahve tinyformat, still has tinyxml2 etc.
19:33 < Istrebitel> synced
19:33 < Istrebitel> wait
19:33 < Istrebitel> I merged already
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect it's the merge that did something weird...
19:33 < Istrebitel> then I tried rebuild and it started throwing erros that's when I noticed a problem
19:34 < Istrebitel> in the merge I only fixed some conflicts
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll have a look at your synced branch anyway
19:34 < Istrebitel> that were regarding my code LogWarning strings
19:34 < Istrebitel> tghanks
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19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the only change for LogWarning is it now uses the format() template
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> instead of 'c-style' printf varargs
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19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, looks like your merge somehow managed to skip all the dependnecies/ updates
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> it's pulled in the older version of physfs too
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/istrebitel-master
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I redid the merge without the dependencies/ folder getting modified
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> If that works
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> you can reset your branch to that head
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> and it'll be like it never happened :P
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20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I think if you start a merge
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> you need to do a 'git submodule init' and 'git submodule update' if there are any submodule changes
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise the merge won't update them, and it'll think the old versions are correct
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20:18 < Istrebitel> i see
20:18 < Istrebitel> how do I know I should do that?
20:18 < Istrebitel> how do I know there were submodule changes?
20:19 < Istrebitel> and, could you remind me how do I "reset branch to that head"?
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess if 'git status' says there are 'new commits' in a submodule during a merge (so it needs an update)
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> or a 'missing folder' (where it needs an init and update)
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I have no idea how/if that shows up in github GUI...
21:31 < Istrebitel> so, could you please remind me of the command?
21:31 < Istrebitel> to restet branch to head
21:31 < Istrebitel> and which head? the one in JonnyH/OpenApoc?
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> if you have 'jonnyh' as the name of the remote
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> you can 'git reset jonnyh/WIP/istrebitel-master'
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> git just 'git reset 145238a66b94a735af8c37bf94b1902a2db679ad'
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> which is the sha of that merge
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> then if you're happy you didn't lose any changes
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git push -f' will overwrite the github version
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23:43 < Istrebitel> E:\Projects\GitHub\OpenApoc [master ? +1 ~0 -1 ~]> git reset jonnyh/WIP/istrebit
23:43 < Istrebitel> el-master
23:43 < Istrebitel> fatal: ambiguous argument 'jonnyh/WIP/istrebitel-master': unknown revision or pa
23:43 < Istrebitel> th not in the working tree.
23:43 < Istrebitel> Use '--' to separate paths from revisions, like this:
23:43 < Istrebitel> 'git <command> [<revision>...] -- [<file>...]'
23:43 < Istrebitel> :git reset jonnyh/WIP/istrebitel-master
23:43 < Istrebitel> fatal: ambiguous argument 'jonnyh/WIP/istrebitel-master': unknown revision or pa
23:43 < Istrebitel> th not in the working tree.
23:43 < Istrebitel> Use '--' to separate paths from revisions, like this:
23:43 < Istrebitel> 'git <command> [<revision>...] -- [<file>...]'
23:43 < Istrebitel> E:\Projects\GitHub\OpenApoc [master ? +1 ~0 -1 ~]> git remote
23:43 < Istrebitel> jonnyh
23:43 < Istrebitel> origin
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00:16 <@JonnyH`Work> you probably need to 'git fetch jonnyh' first?
00:16 <@JonnyH`Work> or 'git fetch --all'
00:16 <@JonnyH`Work> does all remotes :)
00:16 <@JonnyH`Work> unless you've somehow got a branch that matches that name...
00:16 <@JonnyH`Work> if so, the sha should always work
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05:56 < Colombo1> uh oh, Garfield's (Beast Boys) main form is monkey, in Young Justice S01E21: Image, after he got donation of martian blood, you can see in single shot somewhere around 18:20 how his monkey bites him!
05:56 < Colombo1> My god, this series is incredible!
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20:45 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: it's coming... https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/11/16/visual-studio-2017-rc/
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> run, while you still can
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Still no 2 phase type lookup? Lame
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Limited SFINAE?
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> It's always seemed weird to me that so many of the c++ standards guys work for microsoft
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> yet they don't support half the features 6 years later...
20:49 < SupSuper> well it still has to compile windows :p
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> and that probably has pre-standization c++ in it's bowels nobody dares touch :P
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> the 'standard compliant' mode is cool though
20:50 < SupSuper> actually windows is probably c, but i imagine they have to maintain all their weird c++ extensions
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> You mean they write COM objects in raw c?
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> No wonder....
20:51 < SupSuper> well the win32 api is strictly c, but i guess they might just layer on top of it
20:52 < SupSuper> i remember there was a source leak back in the nt days but i never looked at it
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16:47 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #107: vision algorithm as in X-Com 3, begun implementation of the AI (master...master) https://git.io/vXbDK
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20:07 < TheSnide> stupid question of the day : "will you plan to have cheat codes ?" :)
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15:21 < kkmic> Hey JonnyH
15:21 <@JonnyH> hey kkmic
15:22 < kkmic> Did you managed to patch the funky smoke thing?
15:22 <@JonnyH> not sure
15:22 <@JonnyH> istrebitel did a new pull request yesterday
15:22 <@JonnyH> just looking at that now...
15:22 < Istrebitel> funky smoke?
15:22 < kkmic> I did a short playtest today, no crashes
15:22 < Istrebitel> Well I fixed several bugs there
15:22 <@JonnyH> the update() loop
15:22 < Istrebitel> yeah
15:22 <@JonnyH> when smoke replaces another smoke tile
15:22 < Istrebitel> there was a bug where update of hazard could remove hazard that is further in a queue
15:23 < Istrebitel> yes
15:23 < Istrebitel> that's fixed
15:23 <@JonnyH> it'll crash if the replaced one happened to be next in the iterator
15:23 <@JonnyH> cool :)
15:23 < kkmic> Nice
15:23  * kkmic pulls out a cold beer and hands it to Istrebitel 
15:24 < kkmic> Heh, there's one for you too JonnyH
15:24  * kkmic tosses a cold beer to JonnyH 
15:24 <@JonnyH> I'm just about to go to work
15:24 <@JonnyH> so I'll stick that in the fridge for later :P
15:25 < kkmic> That's it, I'm out of beers, so please no more major bug fixes...
15:29 <@JonnyH> no beers = no work
15:29 <@JonnyH> sorry, but that's how it is... :P
15:30 < kkmic> I'm out of beers for TODAY, but tomorrow it's another story
15:30 < kkmic> Keep your hopes up JonnyH ;)
15:34 <@JonnyH> Right, I'll be back in a bit
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17:34 < TheSnide> btw, i just saw the demo floating around on youtube.... and wow. niiice !
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog's play around with the battlescape?
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> That's all Istrebitel's good work :)
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19:03 < TheSnide> yeah, Istrebitel \o/
19:04 < TheSnide> btw, is it possible to restore from a txt file, as it would enable quick.reproducing some erroral
19:04 < TheSnide> errr
19:05 < TheSnide> errors
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> 'restore from a txt file'?
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> restore what? The GameState?
19:05 < TheSnide> yep
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> that's what a save is...
19:05 < TheSnide> is it hackable ?
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Or do you mean like an 'input log'?
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> You can edit it
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> it's a zip of xml
19:06 < TheSnide> i mean, for building up test cases
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Possibly, but at this point the format is changing quickly
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> so a 'test case' will probably break within hours :P
19:06 < TheSnide> huhu
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I had a go at storing an input log, like a 'demo' script
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I could resurrect that
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> but at this point we're not debugging 'difficult rare issues'
19:07 < TheSnide> i'm just thinking about a vid with plenty of chars mass shooting ;)
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's not really a priority
19:08 < TheSnide> and mass runs, to look into path algos
19:08  * TheSnide has a too strong QA bg
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Possibly, but they will have to have a 'correct' answer baked in somewhere
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> and the backing behaviour is changing still
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> You might be able to add some testcases, to the ones already in tests/ that is
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> stuff like pathfindign you could generate a situation with an ovbious known answer, assert it's path is expected
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> then a 'difficult but reachable', assert there *is* a path, and a 'non-reachable', and asert it fails
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> but high-level integration-style testing probably doesn't make sense at this point
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH  a nice short-term task might be to improve those we already have, get them working on windows etc.
19:14 < TheSnide> i'm not speaking about automated testing.
19:14 < TheSnide> maybe automated launch, and "visual" testing
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> You can already programmatically start a 'saved game' from the cmdline
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can have a local 'golden state' and jump straight into the game
19:15 < TheSnide> well, i'll need to have a working apoc first ;)
19:15 < TheSnide> working == compilable ;)
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> it doesn't compile?
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> afaict all the CI tests passed...
19:16 < TheSnide> not yet, but didnt try since a while
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19:24  * TheSnide tries
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Let me know if I need to change the documentation in any way...
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I've probably not kept that up to date WRT changes 
19:37 < TheSnide> https://gist.github.com/steveschnepp/79fc8a22b3481c5e1b94321238f03f09
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> huh... what does that do differenctly to the mac builds on travis-ci?
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe compiler version? Are you using clang or gcc? and what does '--version' say?
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> copying the set of validTypes seems unnecessary though...
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> but from that error it seems like it's failing to coerce {} to a 'set'...
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> https://travis-ci.org/JonnyH/OpenApoc/builds/177682034
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> has both gcc and clang building on mac
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> the versions of compilers should be at the top of each log...
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19:44 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] steveschnepp closed pull request #37: README: libglm-dev is not installed as a dep (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vXAhy
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19:51 < TheSnide> i'm using 10.9 osx only
19:51 < TheSnide> and clang
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> $ clang --version
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Apple LLVM version 7.3.0 (clang-703.0.31)
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Target: x86_64-apple-darwin15.6.0
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> is what travis says...
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't have any osx to test on myself, so can't really do much more
19:54 < TheSnide>  $ cc --version
19:54 < TheSnide> Apple LLVM version 5.1 (clang-503.0.40) (based on LLVM 3.4svn)
19:54 < TheSnide> Target: x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0
19:54 < TheSnide> Thread model: posix
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> holy cow clang 3.4 is really old
19:54 < TheSnide> :D
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Is that part of xcode itself? Are there any updates?
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Is 10.9 the latest version?
19:55 < SupSuper> so is kernel 13.4 :p
19:56 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: far from it
19:56 < TheSnide> but corpo lappy. no upgrades.
19:57 < TheSnide> current is 10.12 imho
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> if the toolchain doesn't update independantly I'm not sure I can support that...
19:57 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: bah, :)
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the 'minimum' I know work are clang-3.6 or gcc-4.9
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> we could probably support slightly older with a couple of workarounds... but might not be worth the effort
20:04 < SupSuper> you mean i can't compile openapoc on a 1997 watcom compiler?
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: sure you can
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> First you have to build an external code generator though
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> we call it 'gc' :P
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> gcc...
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> that can be set to generate .asm files
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> that you can then build with borland turboc++
20:09 < TheSnide> huhu
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21:54 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] steveschnepp opened pull request #108: build: adding a brainless shell script (master...brainlessbuild) https://git.io/vXxn5
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21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW I've been meaning to pull the 'travis prepare' stuff into shell scripts too
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe adding a 'scripts/' directory makes sense...
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> and 'make install' is probably nasty, changing the global state of your system...
21:57 <@JonnyH`Work> and the physfs build isn't needed anymore
21:57 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's in cmake
21:57 <@JonnyH`Work> I could do the same things for glm too :)
21:57 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's just a header library it's even simpler...
21:58 < TheSnide> nice
21:59 < TheSnide> i tried to compile a recent clang... but it failed also
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> same error?
21:59 < TheSnide> no the clang build ;)
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> :(
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think apple use upstream clang
21:59 < TheSnide> .. i guess i just revert to an ubuntu vbox
22:01 < TheSnide> how does it cope with opengl and virtualbox
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, apparently putting comments on a github change makes it a 'code review' now...
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> TheSnide: No idea...
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> It'll probably be too slow using sw rendering
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> but we don't need latest-and-greatest HW features
22:01 < TheSnide> you have the choice yes
22:02 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: somehow i doubt virtualization supports your fancy gles3 :p
22:02 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC the vbox virt gpu uses the mesa state tracker, and that supports gles3 compat fine
22:16  * TheSnide _still_ fails.to understand the why gles3
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> The other option was GL3.2
22:17 < TheSnide> i mean, it worked with i486
22:17 < TheSnide> ;)
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, it works with older versions too (gl2.1)
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> just less efficient
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Still does 1080p on my intel integrated, just not quite 60fps :)
22:18 < TheSnide> i mean, if you do sw blitting you might achieve 60fps, no ?
22:18 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe?
22:19 <@JonnyH`Work> but then we can't do blending or rgb colour or other 'enhancements'
22:19 < TheSnide> blending ?
22:19 <@JonnyH`Work> We use alpha for faded stuff
22:19 <@JonnyH`Work> while the original would stipple instead
22:20 < TheSnide> would es2 work ?
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> es2 would do the 'same' as gl2.1
22:20 < TheSnide> hmmm...
22:20 < TheSnide> #ifdef ?
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> We effectively have 2 modes 'GL2.1/ES2' and 'GL3.2/ES3'
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> but due to GL being a terrible clusterfuck of an api
22:21 < TheSnide> looks sane
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> switching between GL2.1 and ES2 (for example) requires function name changes
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> so for now instead of #ifdef every line of code, or having 2 pretty much copies of each backend, I've just enabled 'GL2.1' and 'GLES3'
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> but making the GLES3 backend work on GL3.2 would be pretty trivial...
22:22 < TheSnide> i'd thought that es2 is the widest spread
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> The subset of GL2.1 we actually use is pretty much the same as es2
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> if you added #version ES' to each glsl file it'll probably work with no other modifications on es2...
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> ugh, so this IFile move thing is really annoying...
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> 'spooky' - clang fails to build without it declared in the header
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> but if you provide an implementation it fails...
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21:34 < Keise> hey
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> hi
21:35 < Keise> wow, so much progress
21:35 < Keise> I hope I can just merge and compile lol
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> good luck :)
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Some of the submodules were changed, so make sure you re-init and update
21:35 < Keise> k
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> probably best to deinit before the merge
21:36 < Keise> if all else fails delete and clone again
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> no fun if you have local changes though
21:37 < Keise> there was something on the branch
21:37 < Keise> but WIP
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> which branch?
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I have a lot of WIP/ :P
21:37 < Keise> on my local branch
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, make sure you have a copy on github or something before deleting anything
21:38 < Keise> yea
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> worse case you can just pull it from there
21:38 < Keise> it might not even work after the merge
21:38 < Keise> so I'm not too worried
21:38 < Keise> last few months were crazy
21:39 < Keise> getting back into the loop now :)
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I know the feeling...
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Looking forward to a long weekend here
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22:51 < SupSuper> i already put some time off for christmas, i'm sure i'm gonna spend it doing nothing christmasy :p
22:54 < Keise> haha
22:55 < Keise> same here :P
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm probably not going to see the family for xmas...
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> First time... ever?
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03:37 < Keise> yaaaaay compiled
03:50 < Keise> https://pp.vk.me/c636431/v636431586/3aa6f/1ux7pPEdhMM.jpg
03:51 < Keise> I wonder if my set up is wrong or if it's a known interface bug
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16:21 <@JonnyH> kkmic: Yeah, looks like we've broke 'deselection' of radio buttons...
16:22 <@JonnyH> Keise sorry... and he's not here :)
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20:37 < SupSuper> https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/commit/66b91288a818c48faacacbb77ec57670ee2c5d3b#commitcomment-19888252
20:37 < SupSuper> all i've known about c++ is a lie!!
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14:18 < Istrebitel> So, anyone knows how's agent inventory progress going?
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17:26 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #109: pathfinding using los blocks (master...master) https://git.io/v1TjC
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14:16 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Away: so, i did setup a linux vbox... but seems that debian8 has an outdated cmake "CMake 3.1 or higher is required.  You are running version 3.0.2"
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17:23 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: Yeah, we use features in cmake 3.1
17:23 <@JonnyH> It was released at the end of december 2014... so I'm not too worried about 'real' systems :P
17:23 <@JonnyH> debian stable is a joke
17:23 <@JonnyH> cmake *is* standalone though
17:24 <@JonnyH> you can just download the binary and run that, or your own built version
17:24 < SupSuper> why is debian stable a joke :p
17:25 <@JonnyH> cmake 3.6 is in jessie backports...
17:25 <@JonnyH> It's full of rather ancient packages
17:25 <@JonnyH> and some stuff doesn't differentiate between feature releases and bug releases
17:26 <@JonnyH> e.g. firefox or other similar programs, you *really* want to keep those up to date...
17:28 < SupSuper> well afaik debian is intentionally slow to keep everything stable, rather than being a constantly updated production system
17:29 <@JonnyH> yeah, but everybody I know running stable ends up pulling in most of -backports
17:29 <@JonnyH> which kinda defeats the purpose
17:29 < SupSuper> welp
17:29 <@JonnyH> It's a good idea, but the engineering cost of doing it 'properly' would be massive
17:30 <@JonnyH> they'd effectively branch all included software and merge bug fixes themselves if upstream doesn't keep that branch around already
17:30 < SupSuper> also it really bugs me how there's "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade"
17:31 <@JonnyH> why does that bug you?
17:31 <@JonnyH> It makes sense to at least 'try' to separate out breaking changes?
17:31 < SupSuper> because i always use update when i want to use upgrade :p update just updates the package lists, upgrade actually updates the packages
17:31 <@JonnyH> Oh, I'm thinking dist-upgrade
17:31 < SupSuper> who the hell uses the word "upgrade" anymore
17:32 <@JonnyH> 'update' is poorly named IMHO - you commonly want to 'update package lists' without updating all packages
17:32 < Lightkey> those are all stupidly named
17:33 < SupSuper> ^^^^
17:33 < SupSuper> oh well i'll probably ditch my debian vm for windows bash now :p
17:33 <@JonnyH> :)
17:33  * Lightkey uses Debian testing
17:33 <@JonnyH> I'd like to know if cmake works on that :P
17:34 < SupSuper> well windows bash uses ubuntu, so probably?
17:34 < Lightkey> I don't know why you said "would" though, that's what they do with upstream fixes
17:35 <@JonnyH> Lightkey: but they can't keep up
17:35 <@JonnyH> IT's what they *try* to do with upstream fixes
17:36 <@JonnyH> and they seem to get most, which is a damned good thing
17:37 < SupSuper> not to mention the drama over debian fixes vs mainstream fixes
17:37 < Lightkey> that's saying your browser does not support HTML5
17:37 < SupSuper> but i try to avoid dram :p
17:37 < Lightkey> "it's what they try to do"
17:37 <@JonnyH> It's really annoying for upstream
17:37 <@JonnyH> as the debian version doesn't match any releases
17:38 < Lightkey> or AMD supporting OpenGL properly :-)
17:38 < Lightkey> "it's what they try to do"
17:38 <@JonnyH> so someone pops up with a bug, you kinda have to push them to the debian maintainer half the time...
17:38 <@JonnyH> Lightkey: The OSS AMD driver is great :D
17:38 <@JonnyH> I daren't go near their binary...
17:38 < SupSuper> JonnyH: it makes sense for debian maintainers to keep debian-only fixes to themselves. i wish they wouldn't keep program fixes to themselves though...
17:40 < SupSuper> but to this day i don't think there's an official openxcom package yet, so screw them :p
17:40 <@JonnyH> I tend to run gentoo, which pretty much is '100% upstream releases'
17:40 <@JonnyH> but you do get some pain using a rolling-release WRT version changes and the like
17:41 <@JonnyH> so I can see the point :)
17:42 < SupSuper> as a user i only use debian as something i can casually spin up and do dev on without worrying about everything upgrading and changing to things i don't like, so for that it's great
17:42 <@JonnyH> yeah,'known versions' are useful
17:42 <@JonnyH> but 'known versions from 2014' are less useful...
17:43 <@JonnyH> It just means nobody can use any new features...
17:43 <@JonnyH> See how long it's taking us to get off python2...
17:46 < Lightkey> okay it's noise you have to point to the proper place but letting that annoy you is leading down the path to what the Mozilla Foundation did with Firefox that led to the whole iceweasel drama :p
17:47 <@JonnyH> or ffmpeg vs libav...
17:47 < Lightkey> wat
17:47 < Lightkey> no
17:47 < Lightkey> that was a project internal problem
17:48 < Lightkey> just that one of them was also the Debian package maintainer
17:48 <@JonnyH> the loudest guy happened to be the debian maintainer, and he regularly used that position to justify various decisions
17:49 < Lightkey> he was part of the project, not just the package maintainer
17:49 <@JonnyH> yeah, but when his emails start "As the debian maintainer, I want..."
17:56 < Lightkey> well what does he want? don't leave us hanging
17:56 <@JonnyH> I don't know, I didn't really care :P
17:56 < Lightkey> that's why you brought it up? :p
17:57 <@JonnyH> I meant it was a lot of drama, and some of the things stated for the libav fork was stuff like more stable api to help backports
17:59 < Lightkey> it was still a project-internal problem because they both did the same thing, so only one would ultimately prevail (the ones leaving thought they could just continue without the manipulating lead developer but didn't think the one holding the domain would be against it, which led to the actual split)
18:00 < SupSuper> JonnyH: don't bring up python2 vs python3 because that's just dumb :p
18:02 < SupSuper> it basically comes down to http://xkcd.com/1172/
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18:36 < Lightkey> and just now I wanted to ask why he hasn't made a Debian package for OpenXcom :p
18:37 <@JonnyH> IIRC sup doesn't really use linux for development
18:37 < Lightkey> it was a rhetorical question anyway
18:38 < Lightkey> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794470 there is a bug open
18:38 < Lightkey> https://wiki.debian.org/Games/Suggested as is for a lot of other games, the "Debian Games Team" is tiny
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15:56 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
16:00 <@JonnyH> hey there
16:01 <@JonnyH> and yes, I'm slowly working on the agent equip screen
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16:02 <@JonnyH> not much of a chance this last weekend, though it was a holiday here thursday/friday I ended up either being out or pretty tired and struggling to motivate myself to do anything useful :)
16:02 < Istrebitel> hmm did I aSK About it?
16:02 < Istrebitel> Or you guessed? :)))0
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16:03 <@JonnyH> 26/11/2016 14:18 < Istrebitel> So, anyone knows how's agent inventory progress going?
16:03 < Istrebitel> ah yes I did
16:04 <@JonnyH> Nothing escapes my sight! :P
16:04 < Istrebitel> lol I forgot :P
16:04 <@JonnyH> I spent a while trying to generaise the vehicle equip screen
16:04 < Istrebitel> Yeah well good to know work you're doing it, I will do other things meanwhile then
16:05 <@JonnyH> but there are enough different weird behaviours (mostly around selecting and equipping multiple agents) that I think it might be easier to re-write the agent equip screen 'properly' (using Controls instead of manually drawing Images etc.)
16:05 <@JonnyH> then disable bits to re-use for vehicles
16:05 < Istrebitel> they're not controls?
16:06 <@JonnyH> though IIRC in battlescape you can't equip multiple agents...
16:06 < Istrebitel> Yeah, that would make sense to write it that way, 'properly'
16:06 < Istrebitel> yeah you cannot but I think nothing prevents us from introducing it
16:06 <@JonnyH> I've been meaning to cleanup the vehicle equip screen, and this is a decent opportunity
16:06 < Istrebitel> I suggest we don't preserve such inconsistencies
16:07 <@JonnyH> I might try to cleanup and push a version without the multiple-agent-equip stuff working, as it'll still be useful...
16:07 <@JonnyH> but we'll see :)
16:07 < Istrebitel> ofc that can be done later
16:07 < Istrebitel> but it's really not that much code, is it?
16:07 <@JonnyH> not a huge amount, I just keep trying to over-design it :)
16:08 < Istrebitel> you just duplicate current action on every agent
16:08 <@JonnyH> some weird stuff if you remove an item at (x,y) and not all selected agents have the same item there
16:08 < Istrebitel> Why? You try removing for every agent and if it doesn't have it there nothing happens
16:08 < Istrebitel> that's what vanilla did btw
16:09 <@JonnyH> and it 'removes the item and adds it to stores' the second you remove it, but if you drag it somewhere invalid it reveses the removal, even if there were different items removed
16:09 < Istrebitel> well that we could do better
16:09 <@JonnyH> so I need to track what equipment was removed from each agent separately...
16:09 < Istrebitel> I propose this:
16:09 < Istrebitel> do not remove anything immediately
16:09 < Istrebitel> if multi-select, when action is complete, just repeat it on every soldier
16:10 < Istrebitel> so if action was "take item from x,y put it to right hand" that is attempted on every soldier
16:10 <@JonnyH> That's what i'm doing
16:10 < Istrebitel> if action was "take item from x,y put it on ground" - same
16:10 < Istrebitel> yep
16:10 < Istrebitel> that's fine then
16:10 <@JonnyH> it does (for each solider) { try to add (item) at (x,y)}
16:10 <@JonnyH> if that fails (e.g. something already there) it just leaves the item in stores
16:11 < Istrebitel> as to displaying store numbers, we could just tweak the store displaying function to display store + whatever was removed from soldiers (all soldiers on current soldier's base if base mode, all soldiers within 1 tile of current soldier if battle mode)
16:11 <@JonnyH> but currently the removal doesn't increment the stored number at the bottom until you stop dragging the equipment, which is slightly different from vanilla
16:11 <@JonnyH> yeah, maybe having a 'dragged store' and add the two for display...
16:12 <@JonnyH> Though if we re-use this in the battlescape we don't want to de-instantiate the eequipment immediately
16:12 < Istrebitel> we just display the store
16:12 <@JonnyH> as items don't stack in battlescape, and they don't lose their state (e.g. rounds-left-in-clip, time-left-on-grenades)
16:12 < Istrebitel> we can't pick items while dragging items
16:12 < Istrebitel> so it's no problem displaying "bogus" items that aren't there
16:13 < Istrebitel> but actually
16:13 < Istrebitel> maybe just don't worry about it now
16:13 < Istrebitel> and dont' display what's dragged
16:13 < Istrebitel> that makes more sense too
16:13 < Istrebitel> why would it be displayed on ground if it's on cursor?
16:13 <@JonnyH> dunno, but that's what vanilla does
16:14 <@JonnyH> It's probably something that doesn't really affect the gameplay, so no need to emulate it exactly though
16:14 < Istrebitel> my point exactly
16:14 < Istrebitel> makes more sense for it to disappear when picked up
16:14 < Istrebitel> rather than remain there
16:14 < Istrebitel> btw radio buttons still broken?
16:14 <@JonnyH> I haven't looked at them, so I guess so :)
16:15 <@JonnyH> It might be related to my 'dirty control' stuff, if it doesn't setDirty() when de-selecting the other controls it won't redraw them
16:15 < Istrebitel> I see
16:15 < Istrebitel> well that's not high priority
16:15 < Istrebitel> can do without them for now
16:15 <@JonnyH> *possibly*. at least that's the only recent change I can think of that would affect that area
16:16 <@JonnyH> but it may be they were broken before that :)
16:16 <@JonnyH> anyway, gotta go to work
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16:16 < Istrebitel> k
16:16 < Istrebitel> meanwhile I've finished with AI framework and implemented basic AI functions for now (patrol, shoot weapons, kneel if under fire) with placeholders for others
16:16 <@JonnyH`Work> cool
16:17 < Istrebitel> gonna continue working on other unimplemented parts of battlescape now, so that we get it to fully playable asap, then return to finish the AI's details
16:17 <@JonnyH`Work> are you doing realtime first?
16:17 < Istrebitel> yes
16:17 < Istrebitel> TB later
16:17 < Istrebitel> I kinda wanted to do it parallel but I guess it will be easier to just add it later
16:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I still have some video snippets of a 'progress report' video hanging around... I might try to finish that off too...
16:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Time is a precious resource atm :)
16:18 < Istrebitel> I see.. .anyone else doing cityscape meanwhile?
16:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably not?
16:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think anyone has worked on any more vehicle behaviours recently
16:19 <@JonnyH`Work> we still need to finish off engineering
16:19 < Istrebitel> engineering?
16:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and decide how to do 'non-item' and 'non-research' dependencies, like 'have recovered a UFO of (type)'
16:19 <@JonnyH`Work> manufacturing items
16:20 < Istrebitel> well it works?
16:20 < Istrebitel> doesn't it?
16:20 <@JonnyH`Work> The UI kinda works, but there's a lot missing IIRC
16:20 < Istrebitel> I did it when I began
16:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it's mostly the data missing for the items
16:20 < Istrebitel> well engineering is straightforward really, it cheks for pre-reqs to show topic, checks for size to assign, and produces whatever it should
16:21 < Istrebitel> all data is hand-filled by me
16:21 < Istrebitel> like hours, cost etc.
16:21 <@JonnyH`Work> and the market needs work too
16:21 < Istrebitel> ah yes
16:21 < Istrebitel> after destructible buildings and vehicle behaviors comes market and gang warfare I guess?
16:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't remember if base inventory is working...
16:21 < Istrebitel> and then we need ground vehicles
16:22 < Istrebitel> and then we need proper traffic
16:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, that's related to organisation relationships and AI
16:22 < Istrebitel> and yes, all base screens - buying stuff, personell, transferring
16:22 <@JonnyH`Work> (e.g. when to order a raid, when to launch a vehicle and to where)
16:23 <@JonnyH`Work> and when vehicles get hit/destroyed affects their relations, same with destroyed city tiles..
16:23 <@JonnyH`Work> and store, and end-of-week-summary, and funding....
16:24 <@JonnyH`Work> store == score there :)
16:24 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, gotta run to a meeting now
16:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll hopefully have some time to look at equip stuff this evening...
16:24 <@JonnyH`Work> If the radio button ends up being simple I'll have a look at that too
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01:29 < Keise> hey
01:29 < Keise> anyone still up?
01:41 < nadir> Hi.
01:41 < SupSuper> sadly yes
01:42 < frumple> no
02:17 < Keise> fighting with forms
02:17 < Keise> can't understand why it renders all radio buttons as checked when the data is fine
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02:22 < SupSuper> Keise: did you set the radio group
02:23 < SupSuper> all radios need to be grouped, also you might have to always have to set one to checked for it to work correctly
02:29 < Keise> yeah it's in the group
02:29 < Keise> and I debug setChecked action and see that each button in the group gets updated
02:29 < Keise> but it still renders them as pressed
02:30 < Keise> I showed the screenshot before
02:30 < Keise> https://pp.vk.me/c636431/v636431586/3aa6f/1ux7pPEdhMM.jpg
02:43 < SupSuper> is that when the fast-forward button is disabled?
02:43 < Keise> no, all the time
02:43 < SupSuper> weird
02:43 < SupSuper> i'm sure the timer button worked fine before
02:43 < Keise> yea
02:43 < SupSuper> just blame JonnyH`Away, it works for me
02:43 < Keise> :D
02:46 < SupSuper> you're not manually manipulating the radio buttons right?
02:46 < Keise> no, it's a bug
02:47 < Keise> just annoying while I try to work incursions
02:47 < Keise> tried to find a quick fix but no luck
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17:53 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: WRT that radio button stuff, I might have missed a setDirty() when 'deselecting' the other radio buttons
17:53 <@JonnyH> so it's just never redrawn
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17:42 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Away: what's the recommended system to try openapoc ?
17:42 < TheSnide> os wise
17:42  * TheSnide changes approach and wants to go the easy road
17:43 < TheSnide> ie: which version of ubuntu and which packages set ? ;)
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12:38 < TheSnide> found it in README.md : "tested on ubuntu 14.04.3"
12:43 < TheSnide> also, would it be possible to have the OpenApoc/dependencies used directly from there, instead of having to install them globally in /usr/local ?
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17:42 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Away: updated my PR with a vagrantfil
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20:12 < TheSnide> ugly wifi here https://gist.github.com/steveschnepp/0e6963000f156416ddc20186c73c12ba
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15:21 <@JonnyH> TheSnide_: yeah, most of the dependencies/ projects should already be used 'locally'
15:21 <@JonnyH> Only sdl & boost need to be installed in the system
15:21 <@JonnyH> It's possible the README.md has got out of date
15:22 <@JonnyH> probably the best reference is the .travis.yml file
15:22 <@JonnyH> as we *know* that builds
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15:26 < kkmic> JonnyH: It's better than the old system
15:26 < kkmic> Where you had to install several libraries in the system
15:26 <@JonnyH> yeah, stuff like installing a patched physfs was annoying..
15:26 < kkmic> I know, I know, early development stages :)
15:26 < kkmic> No complaints from me!
15:26 <@JonnyH> Most 'running' linux systems should already have libsdl2 & boost
15:26 <@JonnyH> so I'm not too worried about pulling them in
15:27 <@JonnyH> I've never used vagrant stuff myself, but I've been meaning to have a look
15:28 <@JonnyH> I doubt it'll replace travis-ci, as that's *free*
15:28 <@JonnyH> but it might be there's another continuous integration provider which is 'better' that supports vagrant
15:28 <@JonnyH> One thing I've been meaning to do is look at distro package generation (IE using a vm to create the .deb/.rpm for each distro)
15:29 <@JonnyH> as currently the travis-ci doesn't actually store the output binaries anywhere, it's just a build test
15:29 <@JonnyH> but I don't use debian or any other popular distro, so don't really have much knowledge in that
15:29 <@JonnyH> (but my openapoc ebuild works great :)
15:53 < SupSuper> why does every new tech thing give itself extremely unflattering names
16:02 <@JonnyH> I think most tech names are decided based on how much you can confuse non-tech people talking about your job
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19:43 < TheSnide_> JonnyH`Work: vagrant isn't to replace travis.
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19:43 < TheSnide> it's just to setup *locally* a VM  )
19:44 < TheSnide> btw, travis just awesome
19:45 < TheSnide> very good idea to use .travis.yml fo reference
19:46 < TheSnide> huhu http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/cd_minimal.iso.xz :)
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> ;)
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not enough in there to actually *play* apoc
19:59 < TheSnide> i don't care, if it's enough to play *with* apoc's code it's enough for me :)
20:00 < TheSnide> OTOH, i can help in building deb/rpm if you'd like.
20:00 < TheSnide> more deb than rpm to be fair...
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> deb is probably more popular anyway (if you include ubuntu)
20:07 < TheSnide> yup
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20:19 < TheSnide> hmmm... travis uses trusty, but ==> default:   CMake 3.1 or higher is required.  You are running version 2.8.12.2
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC newer versions are in -backports
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> and I guess travis-ci must endable that automatically?
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21:26 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: why does cmake jump by twenty million versions every week anyways
21:27 < SupSuper> are makefiles that crazy complex (yes)
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> New compiler features I guess?
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I think that's the main reason I 'need' 3.1
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise there's no compiler-agnostic way of enabling c++11
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Plus new Find* dependencies being added, as they aren't packaged separately
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21:54 < SupSuper> well i'll give them props for being the only makefile thingy bothering with a straightforward windows gui
21:54 < SupSuper> they could've just left it as boring old cli, but no they went the extra mile, props for that
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> though to make the options available in the ui useful you kinda have to already have internal knowledge of how the CMakeLists.txt works
21:58 < SupSuper> sure, but if i'm just interested in building your thing i don't have to dig into it
21:59 < SupSuper> unless i get some error about missing dependencies due to mysterious environment variables dug deep in the heart of satan, then i'll fire laser beams out of my eyes until everything is good with the world again
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I tried to add a help text to the variables it actually makes sense to change
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> A bit of work and we could run it on windows too
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> but I don't know how well that fits into your workflow - to add a file you'll have to add it to the cmake file and re-run the cmake tool
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> not just 'right-click add' on visual studio itself
22:10 < SupSuper> you're assuming i have a workflow :p
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> "a horrific monstrosity of confusion" is still a workflow
22:12 < SupSuper> that's what i tell my boss but he never believes me!
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> We currently have a workflow I literally cannot follow
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> as we've recently started to become more 'corporate' in the worst way
22:14 < SupSuper> uh oh
22:14 < SupSuper> is it "we don't need staging!"
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> and they seem to have forgotten we actually ship 90% of our drivers on linux-based platforms
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22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> We already don't have 'staging'
22:47 < SupSuper> *shudders*
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> If you strings out released binaries for the nexus player you'll find they're built on my personal workstation...
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> we have a build and test team, but the problem is they're so separate out from we actually care about to be functionally useless
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> they have some silly ~2 month test cycle turnaround
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> and no way of cutting that down for a specific issue fix...
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> and no visibilty earlier than that if the driver is compeltely dead and even the initial smoke tests failed
22:50 < Keise> wow
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, the 'under the table' test system we have in the android team seems more comprehensive too
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> and that has a ~24 hour turnaround for the automated test suite
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> but it feels weird having a test team with many-tens-of-engineers and a massive budget if they seem less useful than a couple of tablets and testchips currently wired together under my desk
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and relying on something 'wired together under my desk' for something effectively business-critial makes me shudder
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> *rant rant rant rant*
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> we gave them this list of things we *Actually* want them to test over a year ago
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> they came back with 'hold off for now, we're rewriting out test infrastructure'
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> then they finished that and released it.. to find it solved none of the issues we had
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> so we had to bring out local test rig up again
23:15 < Keise> painful
23:16 < Keise> it's much easier in web dev; everyone is obsessed with test driven development
23:17 <@JonnyH`Work> The issue we have is the separation of what we ship (normally a "reference" driver)
23:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and what customers end up using
23:27 < SupSuper> (a pile of shit?)
23:29 <@JonnyH`Work> 'value added' :P
23:30 <@JonnyH`Work> (has there *ever* been something 'value added' that isn't a POS?)
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05:36 < Keise> this thing serializes XML twice and all entries in the vector are doubled
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05:40 < Keise> so only happens on game start
05:41 < Keise> easy to test: just launch a game, save and open any XML in gamestate
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15:45 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: No, I haven't even *looked* at the original game saves
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19:13 < TheSnide> that's also what i thought. as supporting it would be *highly* complicated
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems to be a set of structs and dumps of the internal state
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> which is quite a bit different in design for our state
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> so if we want to support it, it'll more likely be supported as a one-way save 'converter'
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> but the apoc save state is a lot more complex than the previous xcoms too
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> so might end up being a huge amount of work..
19:19 < SupSuper> yeah in openxcom i decided to do a save converter, but *only* because all the data was known, *and* way after 1.0, *and* it's only a one-way geoscape converter. but that seems to be enough to cover the "wanna go back to my old save" cases
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it might be an 'interesting project'
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> but a *massive* project...
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> It's clear some of the data structs are the same format as the save, so some of it is known
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> but would be a big reveng effort too
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> so not really on my todo list :)
19:23 < SupSuper> well there's always a lot more save editors than actual-game-logic editors :p
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Most of the save editors I've seen only tweak some values
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> not stuff like modifying 'live' objects (agents in a battle etc.)
19:25 < SupSuper> right but they usually point to stuff people care about. you can get away with a lossy save converter as long as the progression is kept
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> you might not support in-battle conversion or something
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> as that's a *lot* of state
19:25 < SupSuper> like probably nobody's interested in internal organization state or whatever
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19:36 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: XApoc --> OApoc is the only sane way to support it anyway :)
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> plus you wouldn't be able to 'inject' any mods...
19:37 < TheSnide> but +1 to 'very low on the todo list'
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> definiately 'post 1.0'
19:38 < TheSnide> just that I misunderstood some prior chat, and wanted to be sure
19:46 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: sorry to be annying, but ubuntu 14 doesn't have cmake 3.1 :'(
19:50 < SupSuper> at this rate JonnyH`Work is gonna spend more time fixing builds than making the game :p
19:54 < TheSnide> SupSuper: yeah :(§
19:54 < TheSnide> but why on earth use that içu"'çàé"u'!ç"u cmake ? :')
19:55 < TheSnide> (humor)
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: I think that's been true recently..
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, I moved the travis builds to 16.04
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe we should set that as the 'minimum' now?
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> cmake 3.1 is really handy, and not easy to workaround the c++11 support...
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> is newer cmake not in -backports repository?
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and even then we can probably go back to 3.0 without rewriting half the build system...
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21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Keise mentioned the other day here vectors were 'doubled' inthe saved game
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but I can't see that myself?
23:00 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: no. don't spend time on that.
23:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Don't worry, I'm not ;)
23:01 < TheSnide> o/
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00:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, back to trying to get equipping sharable between vehicles and agents...
00:39 < SupSuper> i thought ui was your weakness :p
00:39 <@JonnyH`Work> It's like my kryptonite
00:39 <@JonnyH`Work> sapping me of strength and motivation...
00:39 <@JonnyH`Work> but the 'logic' behind equipping stuff needs some rework too
00:40 < SupSuper> well it's less "shared" and more "reusable", like you could do Draggable's or InventoryGrid's or something
00:40 < SupSuper> but if that's too ui for you, you could always look into abstracting air/ground vehicles instead ;)
00:41 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/WIP/equipscreen/game/state/rules/equipment.h
00:41 <@JonnyH`Work> is what I'm working with right now
00:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I might separate out instantiated equipment vs in stores though
00:42 <@JonnyH`Work> but not really sure how to cope with in-battle equipment always being instantiated
00:42 < SupSuper> what do you mean
00:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean in the city uneqipped equipment stacks
00:43 <@JonnyH`Work> while in the battle it keeps all state (ammo left, time on grenades etc.) and never stacks
00:44 <@JonnyH`Work> perhaps just template it, and have Equipment and EquipmentType implement all the functions...
00:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I'd need a nop 'make real' on the Equipment, and the EquipmentType 'make real' would return an sp<Equipment>...
00:45 <@JonnyH`Work> And un-equiping might return multiple items (e.g. ammo too)
00:45 < SupSuper> well you could always make it just a "ui abstraction", and in code all equipment is instantiated equipment
00:46 < SupSuper> or if that's too much data, instantiated equipment is just a specialization of equipment (so in battle equipment just gets "extra attributes" that are discarded again afterwards)
00:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm thinking templates are a better fit, but metaprogramming is always hard to follow...
00:48 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. in the battlescape we instantiate InventoryThing<InstantiatedEquipment, InstantiatedEquipment>
00:49 <@JonnyH`Work> while in the city InventoryThing<InstantiatedEquipment, UnInstantiatedEquipment>...
00:49 < SupSuper> now you lost me :p
00:49 <@JonnyH`Work> then we have a templated 'store' that takes a set of the second type
00:49 <@JonnyH`Work> that's wired up to the base storein the city, and the 'ground tile' in the battle
00:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Not thinking about this design is how I got to where we are now :)
00:50 < SupSuper> how do stores even work in apoc? does everything just count towards stores, regardless of where it is in base?
00:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I want to try to do this 'right'... but don't have much of an idea what 'right' looks like
00:50 <@JonnyH`Work> stores are per-building for agents
00:50 <@JonnyH`Work> if not at a base it pops up a warning if you try to quit if there's anything still there saying 'That'll be lost!'
00:51 < SupSuper> ah
00:51 <@JonnyH`Work> When equipping multiple agents at a time, it won't let you select items that don't have at least (NUM_SELECTED_ in stock...
00:51 <@JonnyH`Work> with the exception of the 'auto-loaded' ammo (IE you can equip multiple guns at a time even if you don't have enough ammo to load them)
00:52 <@JonnyH`Work> in the vehicele equip screen it highlights in red stuff in stores that doesn't have a full load of ammo available...
00:53 < SupSuper> well you basically got 3 types of items: 1. items that only show up in stores 2. items that show up in stores and vehicles 3. items that show up in stores and agents and battles
00:53 <@JonnyH`Work> but doesn't for agents
00:53 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC the vehicle ammo/fuel is the only thing that doesn't show up in *some* equip screen somewhere
00:54 < SupSuper> and various artefacts and aliens and such
00:54 <@JonnyH`Work> assuming that the alien containment is a separate system
00:55 <@JonnyH`Work> but I can't remember any alien artifacts that are in stores but not equipment in some way
00:55 <@JonnyH`Work> the ufo research is prediacated on 'having won a mission', not collected objects from those missions
00:55 < SupSuper> right
00:56 < SupSuper> well you can assume everything goes in stores, so the only differentation is 1. is equippable by vehicles 2. is equippable by agents
00:56 <@JonnyH`Work> it's also split between ground/flying vehicles
00:57 <@JonnyH`Work> and weapon/engine/general within vehicles
00:57 <@JonnyH`Work> and similar 'armour' and 'everything else' for agents
00:58 <@JonnyH`Work> some are in multiple sections (e.g. most vehicle 'general' equipment is usable by both ground and flying vehicles)
00:59 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe all general equipment? But I have no idea if ground vehicles can equip the alien-researched stuff
01:00 <@JonnyH`Work> like WTF would the random-teleporter do on a ground vehicle?
01:00 < SupSuper> so you could either have different storeitem/vehicleitem/agentitem and infer equippability from there
01:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I was thinking of making it a set
01:00 < SupSuper> or just have "equippable" be a component/interface/whatever that you can apply on any item and define where it can go and how and etc
01:01 <@JonnyH`Work> shared between 'can equip in this slot' - so for example agent armor would be split for each arm/legs/torso/head
01:01 < SupSuper> since equippable is basically just an extra layer. in the end vehicle items and battle items are gonna need completely different attributes
01:01 <@JonnyH`Work> so 'can equip here' means (intersection(slotSet, itemSet) != empty)
01:02 <@JonnyH`Work> and the npc equipment layouts are broken, with 'overlapping' equipment :P
01:02 <@JonnyH`Work> so validation would probably be limited to the ui
01:02 < SupSuper> same as x-com 1 then :p
01:03 < SupSuper> but yeah i think you should deal with "equippable" and "instantiability" as different things
01:04 < SupSuper> since the equippability doesn't really change between city and battle
01:04 <@JonnyH`Work> If both instanticated equipment and 'stored' equipment implements all the Equipment virtual functions
01:04 < SupSuper> and 90% of items are equippable
01:05 <@JonnyH`Work> you could have an 'instanticate()' functin that either creates a new InstantiatedEquipment from the stored equipment
01:05 <@JonnyH`Work> but when already instantiated (IE in-battle) returns 'this'
01:05 <@JonnyH`Work> if you gave that accesss to the stores it'll also be a good hook to add the 'default ammo load'
01:07 < SupSuper> if you're curious, openxcom deals with things a bit differently, since of course geoscape and battlescape aren't as "shared"
01:07 <@JonnyH`Work> We could have 2 copies of everything here too
01:07 <@JonnyH`Work> but I kinda want to avoid it if possible...
01:07 <@JonnyH`Work> If that ends up being more code or less easy, it might make sense 'forking' it anyway
01:07 < SupSuper> geoscape items are just a number, and battlescape items actually have slots and positions and junk
01:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, you don't equip until the battle itself
01:08 <@JonnyH`Work> equipment is 'owned' by the transport instead, right>
01:08 < SupSuper> yeah, so items are just converted back and forth
01:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I might sleep on it and have another look tomorrow...
01:09 < SupSuper> to simulate equipping items in the geoscape and preserving positions between battles (a feature added for player convenience), we just have an equipment layout factory
01:10 <@JonnyH`Work> that presumably just stores an equipmentType->position map for each avent?
01:10 <@JonnyH`Work> agent?
01:10 < SupSuper> ergo, the "equipment layout item" that's preserved between gesocape and battlescape is just a template that gets fed to the geoscape->battlescape factory appropriately
01:10 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be we could simplify stuff here, as some in-city equipemnt state is simpler than in-battle state
01:10 < SupSuper> so rather than items carrying their slot/position in geoscape, agents just carry a preferred layout
01:11 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. no partial ammo clips, no grenade times
01:11 <@JonnyH`Work> no damaged armor? (is that a thing?)
01:11 < SupSuper> don't think so. armor is for life
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01:11 <@JonnyH`Work> ...can you change armor in-battle? I assume not...
01:12 < SupSuper> but yeah, i just figure since both city and battle have inventories you might as well reuse that, rather than take the "totally isolated" openxcom approach
01:13 < SupSuper> of course, inventory is mostly a ui thing anyways, so you could still do the "each vehicle/agent has a layout of items, rather than the items themselves knowing where they go"
01:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I want to remove the item's 'current position' attribute...
01:15 < SupSuper> as far as a vehicle is concerned, it only matters what equipment it has on. as for an agent, it only matters what's on its hands or not
01:15 < SupSuper> (does apoc still have various TU costs for inventory?)
01:15 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRc the 'cargo' for vehicles in apoc is just a placebo
01:16 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it has TU costs in turn-based
01:16 <@JonnyH`Work> in realtime you can arm and drop a million grenades at a time though...
01:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Or teleport behind an alien, drop 50 grenades and teleport away 'instantly'...
01:16 < SupSuper> :p
01:17 < SupSuper> it's not instant, it takes fractions of a second! or something
01:17 <@JonnyH`Work> literally paused
01:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm off now, I'll probably be as confused tomorrow.. or even worse at this rate
01:18 < SupSuper> :p
01:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I feel my understanding of how to design this is dropping over time...
01:18 < SupSuper> eventually you just code and hope the confusion goes away...
01:19 < SupSuper> in any case i think you're on to something, just don't ask me about templates or my mind wanders
01:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Isn't that how win32 happened?
01:19 < SupSuper> and probably don't worry about city<->battle just yet
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01:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm still trying to 'just' do vehicles for now...
01:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Only considering Agents in the long term...
01:20 <@JonnyH`Work> meh, have a good evening
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01:22 < SupSuper> could be worse, i still haven't come up with an item market yet...
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12:56 < TheSnide> hmmm...
12:56 < TheSnide> 2697 vagrant    20   0 1727M 1683M 11588 R 100. 84.1  0:42.00 /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/5/cc1plus -fpreprocessed /home/vagrant/.ccache/tmp/gamestate_
12:56 < TheSnide> 1683M of RSS an counting :)
12:56  * TheSnide loves C++ and it's immoderate appetite for RAM :-D
13:32 < TheSnide> Victory \o/ it runs ! :)
13:33 < TheSnide> is it normal that the video is too large at the beginning ?
13:44 < TheSnide> hmmm... seems that i'm 800x600, in 1024x768 it works fine.
13:47 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Away: wow. it works :)
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19:22 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Away: i updated the PR, it should work out of the box noz
19:22 < TheSnide> nozlw
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15:18 <@JonnyH`Work> TheSnide: Thanks, I'll have a look when I can
15:18 <@JonnyH`Work> some things came up over the weekend so didn't really get a chance to play on my computer :P
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18:10 < TheSnide> hehe step family ? ;-)
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> burst pipe :P
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't have any family within ~1000 miles (thankfully?) :P
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> well, not as dramatic as 'burst', but 'leaky'
18:12  * TheSnide has 30km km for family ;)
18:12 < TheSnide> 30k km
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Pretty much all my family is in the UK and around western europe
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> so being in the US is pretty safe ;)
18:15  * JonnyH`Work tries working out what space orbit is required to be 30k km away from the surface
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> you *really* don't like your family :P
18:21 < TheSnide> asia vs europe ;)
18:22 < TheSnide> well, not really 30k.. more 23k
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> from pole to pole is ~20 thousans km :P
18:22 < TheSnide> hmmm
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> but I get what you mean
18:23  * TheSnide double checks
18:25 < TheSnide> hmmm... true more.
18:27 < TheSnide> more round-time way
18:28 < TheSnide> sorry
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I got what you mean, I just wasn't sure at first if you meant 30km or 30 thousand km :P
18:39 < TheSnide> huhu
18:45 < TheSnide> anyway
18:46 < TheSnide> most important is that i managed to get it compile. and that any other soul can also, thx to vagrant ;)
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I really want to add packages for popular distros to the ci build...
18:46 < TheSnide> but you generate things upon build ?
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> not yet for linux
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I think cmake's 'cpack' can do a lot of that for yoiu
18:47 < TheSnide> things == xml
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> but still requires some custom per-distro work
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Yes, it'll have generated xml and the binaries
18:47 < TheSnide> with vagrant i dont really care about distro
18:48 < TheSnide> .. but i'll see what i can do for .deb
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean so you can run it locally without firing up a vm
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, a .deb/.rpm output would be nice
18:48 < TheSnide> as with vagrant you have a test build end for free ;)
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> effectively the binaries and the ./data directory
18:48 < TheSnide> yes
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> there's already an install target that should work
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> might need some tweaking WRT data paths
18:49 < TheSnide> issue will be more about the deps versions
18:49 < TheSnide> such as gcc or cmake ;)
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> gcc >= 4.9, cmake >= 3.1
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> sdl2, boost
18:50 < TheSnide> since you *have* to reuse the vanilla disto dev emv
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> you can version dependencies in .deb
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can depend on stdlibc++-4.9+
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> even if there isn't that package in the 'default 'install on 16.04
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> for example
18:52 < TheSnide> well... that is hell for users, usually ;)
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> But we need it :P
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> if that depends on something in -backports so be it
18:53 < TheSnide> welcome to the real world of distro packaging JonnyH`Work ;-)
18:54 < TheSnide> humor aside, i got the poiny
18:54 < TheSnide> point
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> this is one reason Ilike gentoo, you just encode the required versions
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> no binary compatibility issues
18:54 < TheSnide> gentoo...
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> so 'creating a package' is pretty trivial
18:55 < TheSnide> yeah
18:55 < TheSnide> gentoo is dev-friendly
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> gentoo isn't really user-friendly though :P
18:56 < TheSnide> yup
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> but that's cool, as we're still in 'dev mode'
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> end users won't really be interested right now
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> so my focus is on lowering the bar for devs than anything else
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> and depite the *clear* advantages, some devs still don't use gentoo :P
18:58 < TheSnide> well, i used to. but then wanted to spend more time doing dev and less doing os fixing ;)
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it's a fair bit of work, hence me not doing a 'user friendly' package myself
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I assumed the low-bar of the travis-ci builds would at least make sure it's not *impossible* to build on other distros
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> even if that requires a compiler ppa :P
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> and I'm actively pushing 'bleeding edge' features now
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> on the assumption they'll be common in ~2+ years when we actually get something end users would be interested in
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> which does add a higher bar now for dev environment setup, but hopefully means it'll be easier then
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> if travis-ci offered the option, I'd probably set it to 16.10, which wouldn't require as much weird setup
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean 16.04
19:05 < TheSnide> i'm still not sold on bleeding edge feats. feels like brain onanism ;)
19:07 < TheSnide> but i guess it's important for dev enthousiasm ;)
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19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, if you don't use them today, you'll never use them
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19:16 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] steveschnepp opened pull request #110: travis: remove extra line (master...cleanup-travis) https://git.io/v1ie7
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19:17 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] steveschnepp opened pull request #111: Vagrant (master...vagrant) https://git.io/v1ive
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19:18 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] steveschnepp closed pull request #108: build: adding a brainless shell script (master...brainlessbuild) https://git.io/vXxn5
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19:19 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: just did some PR cleanup
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> cool
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be an idea to create a /scripts folder or something
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> as our root is getting a bit busy :P
19:19 < TheSnide> bah.
19:20 < TheSnide> removed the script, as it's adequately replaced with vagrant
19:20 < TheSnide> and the other PR is to fix .travis.yml
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19:20 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #110: travis: remove extra line (master...cleanup-travis) https://git.io/v1ie7
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19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Stuff like the travis-ci file could be solit into setup scripts
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than lots of messy 'if linux'..'if osx' lines
19:21 < TheSnide> yep.
19:21  * TheSnide is actually doing *exactly* that at the moment
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19:22 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v1ivi
19:22 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7cdf3a4 Jonathan Hamilton: Format
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19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean it *might* be cleaner
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> it'd be interesting to see if it is :P
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> it'd also be a place you could put cpack configs etc.
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> and appveyor configs too
19:23 < TheSnide> but no subdir. just a sh outside travis
19:24 < TheSnide> that i can call via Vagrant also :)
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I might try to cleanup the root anyway
19:24 < TheSnide> bah. root isn't that cluttered
19:24 < TheSnide> yet
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> like create a src/ dir with forms/framework/game/library/whatever under that
19:24 < TheSnide> ...and you like messy stuff if you like gentoo :-D
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Naa, it means I really dislike messy stuff
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> as that's only way you can cope on gentoo :P
19:25 < TheSnide> huhu
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19:45 < TheSnide> hmmm... that .travis.yml is quite hairy
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> some of it probably isn't needed
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> techically glm is header only, so you could avoid installing it at all...
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> or find a ppa with a newer glm and install it system-wide
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> that would remove the ~/dependency-prefix stuff
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH i could change the cmake to just always use the dependnecies/ version
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> as there's no advantage to updating a 'system' copy...
19:56 < TheSnide> https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/master/Formula/ccache.rb
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> huh?
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20:00 < TheSnide> ccache also works on osx :)
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> travis-ci seems to use 'casher' when enabling ccache?
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> dunno if it works, the osx builds seem hella slow
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22:00 < TheSnide> bah.
22:00 < TheSnide> continuing tomorrow
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
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08:00 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Away: what was xfb used for ? trying to launch openapoc ?
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15:18 <@JonnyH`Work> TheSnide: The tests and dataextractor still create a Framework
15:18 <@JonnyH`Work> and the option to 'not create a window' is relatively new
15:18 <@JonnyH`Work> so it would create a window.... and do nothing with it
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20:24 < TheSnide> oh
20:24 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: yeah
20:25 < TheSnide> ccache is currently disabled on osx
20:26 < TheSnide> ... not that it would speed up things massively, as the cache is wiped for every build IIRC
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> travis-co does store up to 1gb cache
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> not storing the ccache between builds makes it 100% pointless
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> as we only ever compile each file once per build
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21:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Bah, just watched the amd zen 'livesteam'
21:58 <@JonnyH`Work> waste of time...
21:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Still hoping it'll knock down 8-core cpu costs, but nothing 'new' there
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22:07 < Keise> there was so much amd hype this year
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> It's weird, they announced a 'midrange' 480
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> then people seemed to take that as a 'nvidia titan beater'...
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> but they *are* hyping zen themselces
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17:04 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 007c8e4 Jonathan Hamilton: Some map sector names start at 0 not 1...
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17:09 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: won't that break if there are holes in the sectors?
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> you mean if there's sec02  and sec04, but no sec03?
17:19 <@JonnyH`Work> does that happen?
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> ...yes it does...
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> in 59alien1 and 60alien2?
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> ...what are they? 
17:22 < SupSuper> *shrug* it also happens in 02police, 06office, 10astro, etc.
17:22 < SupSuper> so the exception is the rule :p
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I also missed the extractBattlescapeMap() starting at 0
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> I wonder if there is some lookup table of what is available in the original apoc
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17:27 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4d4978b Jonathan Hamilton: Fixup battlescape map sector extraction again...
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17:28 < SupSuper> maybe they just get the folder contents?
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe start removing files and running the .exe and see if it dies?
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> meh :P
18:14 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: just tried it, you can move out all but one sector from the folder and the game still runs
18:15 < SupSuper> presumably you'll always get the same map then
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Can you get dosbox to print out if it's fstat(0...99) or something?
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> or it does a file enumeration?
18:17 < SupSuper> dunno how to check that
18:17 < SupSuper> if you take out all the files it'll just silently die http://i.imgur.com/pf7qkkz.png
18:18 < SupSuper> doesn't even clear the framebuffer
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the debugger prints out dos library calls (like the filesystem stuff)
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> but meh, not really that interesting
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll need to implement that as an easter egg or something :P
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Along with random "Please insert CD" dialogs
18:24 < SupSuper> looks like it's definitely enumerating them before picking one
18:24 < SupSuper> curiously it does this before handing off to tac2p.exe
18:25 < SupSuper> i guess the actual tactical just takes a bunch of "map data" rather than "a specific map"
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> "Already instantiated map"
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Does it do it with 'saves'? Or just a persistently mapped memory location?
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW arm64 is a completely insane architecture
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> There are instructions that are *literally impossible* to use
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> as in change behaviour based on internal CPU state that's not visible/controlled by the application
18:28 < SupSuper> i assume it's like ufo, where it just copies stuff from a save/map to an interim location for tactical to pick up
18:28 < SupSuper> http://pastebin.com/raw/H9M5P3YW
18:29 < SupSuper> so it enumerates the map sectors, picks one, loads it and copies/generates relevant data into "scenario" folder for tac2p.exe to pick up
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> so it does open(0...10)?
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> and if the sdt file exists it assumes it's a \real map?
18:30 < SupSuper> log just shows open attempts, not the actual enumeration
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> is that with the removed files?
18:30 < SupSuper> let me check
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Or do all 30SEC01.SDT/30SEC02.SDT exist?
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> If it actually used the dirent enumeration I guess it wouldn't try to open non-existant files
18:48 < SupSuper> yeah it definitely enumerates, even if i rename the file to CHEESE.SDT it still works
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> so it reads CHEESE.SDT?
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess it does *.DST and assumes they're all maps?
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Interesting :)
18:50 < SupSuper> yup, names are meaningless, it just picks one and loads all the name.* it picked
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> We could use FileSystem::enumerateDirectory("path/to/map", ".SDT") to do the same thing
18:51 < SupSuper> probably slightly faster than always looking for 0-100 maps
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> quite a bit faster on windows IIRC...
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> physfs seems hella slow to stuff there
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> And just be glad you won't be extracting on android :)
18:54 < SupSuper> can you enumerate on an iso though?
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it works w/physfs
18:58 < SupSuper> i don't know why they'd keep *maps* on the disc of all things
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> 73Mmaps
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess?
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the 'full install' did copy them
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> 'minimal' was 20mb, 'standard' was 60mb
19:00 < SupSuper> yet somehow ufo did much more with just 900kb of maps :p
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus it generated them I guess?
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Plus most apoc maps were a *lot* taller
19:01 < SupSuper> guess so
19:01 < SupSuper> the numerical scheme makes me think they *were* planning on generating them at some point
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> it seems disks then were some ~1gb
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Imagine 1/5 of your drives being a single game :P
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> It does actually stick them together, so it does *some* generation
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> just the 'tiles' are much larger chunks
19:02 < SupSuper> i remember carmageddon filling up my hard disk :p
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, doom is already doing that for me
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> ~80gb!!
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Need a bigger ssd :)
19:22 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: oh, didn't see that travis got native support fo ccache. nice :)
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, we don't run ccache manually
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> We expect the environment to have set the path up so it uses a ccache version of 'gcc 'etc.
19:23 < TheSnide> yup
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> As I said, enabling the travis 'ccache' option causes some prints about 'casher' being used on osx
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> but no idea if it actually is used/works :P
19:28 < TheSnide> huhu
19:28 < TheSnide> i'm reading about how to enable container based builds, as they are so much fater
19:28 < TheSnide> faster
19:28 < TheSnide> (got a 70% decrease in build time)
19:29 < TheSnide> in my other projects
19:35 < TheSnide> what's the env: - BUILD_TYPE="RelWithDebInfo" - BUILD_TYPE="Sanitize"
19:35 < TheSnide>  ?
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> It means spawns one build with RelWithDebInfo (which is a cmake term for "optimisation enabled, but debug info created too"
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> and one with "Sanitize" - which is a custom set of cflags I added to enable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AddressSanitizer
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> so compiles in lots of memory checks/whatever
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> in the hope that if something goes terribly wrong with the tests/extractor it runs it'll detect it and let us know
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> travis-ci creates a matrix with all the combinations of (os) (compiler) (env)
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> so I then remove ones that don't make sense in the matrix: exclude: part
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> like the sanitizer doesn't seem to work right with odx
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> *osx
19:41 < TheSnide> k
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> and running both clang and gcc with the sanitizer enabled feels like a waste of time
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> (as it makes things quite a bit slower :)
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC we can't use the container build system, as we *need* sudo to update the compilers in 14.04
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> if they had a 16.04 update we could probably avoid that :)
19:42 < TheSnide> ko
19:43 < TheSnide> ok
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> we also set LSAN_ERRORCODE to 0
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise if it detect a leak it'll mark the tests as failed
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> and some stuff like X and SDL 'leak', as they have a per-process context that's never cleaned up
19:45 < TheSnide> hmmm...
19:46 < TheSnide> trying to make it build right now
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> on osx?
19:47 < TheSnide> nah, on travis :)
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> It *should* work out the box, just enable it with my travis.yml
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> It might not be optimal though
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20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> TheSnide: I *think* I've submitted a 'code review' for that
20:19 <@JonnyH`Work> let me know if you can't see the comments :)
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20:55 < SupSuper> why do i see JonnyH`Work's PRs...
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I added you as a collaborator on my fork...
20:59 < SupSuper> *unwatched* well that was easy
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I can no longer spam you with pointless github messages :(
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21:50 < SupSuper> well you can still @tag @me @relentlessly
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I didn't realise you wanted to be tagged relentlessly @SupSuper
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll better get onto that then
21:51 < SupSuper> not as bad as the great unreal wars of 2016 though
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> OH yeah, I was a member of the unreal 'group' through my work account
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> that was hell
21:52 < SupSuper> i think i still have the email chain saved for posterity :p
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> We still occasionally get the big 'Reply All' silly chains in work email
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> with the 'Please stop replying to all!'... replied to all
21:53 < SupSuper> i'm the opposite, i always forget to reply to all and the chain becomes lost
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I try to split it into who actually cares
21:54 < SupSuper> well then nobody would reply :p
21:54 <@JonnyH`Work> then that suddenly becomes the 'main' thread and people don't re-add new people
21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I had a great email the other day
21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Someone asked me something first thing uk time
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> then added my manager and his manager with a slightly snarky "Still waiting on a response" a few hours later
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> to which my manager replied I'm in the US, and it's 5am there
22:05 < SupSuper> :p
22:05 < SupSuper> why are you still in the US anyways
22:34 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: i did see it, and addressed it
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22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: 'Caus they pay me 2x the wage here?
22:57 < SupSuper> oh i thought you were gonna relocate again or something
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> My visa expires next year
22:59 <@JonnyH`Work> and it seems a mire of bureaucracy trying to get a new one
22:59 <@JonnyH`Work> But with a better visa they have to pay me 3x as much :)
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19:37 < pmprog_laptop> ***** I have returned *****
19:38 < pmprog_laptop> Oh, nobody remembers me :-(
19:38 < pmprog_laptop> :-P
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> who the hell are you?
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
19:38 < pmprog_laptop> Hey hey... How's it going?
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Alright I guess?
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Still have 20 things I've been meaning to do for months and not found the time :P
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> But I'm not going back to the UK for christmas this year, so I hope it'll be a bit quieter
19:42 < SupSuper> same
19:42 < SupSuper> only replace time with willpower :P
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, they're kinda the same thing
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not like I literally don't have time
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> but more after staring at C for 8 hours a day it's not exactly the first thing on my todo list when I get home
19:43 < pmprog_laptop> I struggle with both... Even now, my eyes are sore and heavy
19:44 < pmprog_laptop> I'm probably not that far off having a working prototype of my new game, but struggling to get bits done now
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> nice :)
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Another for the pandora?
19:45 < pmprog_laptop> It'll run on the Pandora, but also desktops. Was even thinking of maybe trying to make an Android port at some point to
19:45 < pmprog_laptop> It's a "turn-based" 2D fighter
19:47 < pmprog_laptop> Keep thinking about paying an artist to get some graphics for it, then see how polished I can make it
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Bah, android is a pain...
19:47 < pmprog_laptop> I know... I was half tempted to migrate to the Godot game dev tool, as that supports all platforms I look at
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> what is it now? SDL2?
19:48 < pmprog_laptop> https://godotengine.org/
19:49 < pmprog_laptop> trouble is, it has a "scene" designer, and I don't really understand that concept.
19:49 < SupSuper> ewww, python
19:50 < SupSuper> yeah scene designers aren't the most intuitive thing if your game isn't strictly content-based
19:50 < pmprog_laptop> crap, didn't notice that :-(
19:50 < pmprog_laptop> Surely all games are mechanic based first?
19:51 < pmprog_laptop> But yeah, I keep thinking about should I switch to Unity or something, because I think this game will work quite good on Android too
19:51 < SupSuper> well i mean being based around static pieces of content like levels/areas/worlds/etc
19:52 < pmprog_laptop> But it's learning all new tools, and barely get time to code, never mind learn Unity
19:53 < SupSuper> don't worry, that means you don't have time to hate it either :p
19:53 < pmprog_laptop> lol
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I've never used unity either
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I did remember it used an *ancient* version of mono, so no new c# features could be used
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> but I think (hope?) that changed
19:54 < pmprog_laptop> I know you're supposed to be able to use Allegro and SDL on Android, but I've never figured out how
19:54 < SupSuper> hahahahahahahahaha
19:54 < SupSuper> oh you
19:55 < pmprog_laptop> I can handle old-school c# :-)
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> like craptacular GC too
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> which is the opposite of what you want for games
19:55 < pmprog_laptop> I'm not even sure I use any language features > 2005
19:55 < SupSuper> well for most games you can probably get away with it
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> so people did crazy stuff like object pools and custom heaps toavoid the gc pauses
19:56 < SupSuper> the only other c# engine around is xenko which isn't as mature
19:56 < SupSuper> most engines are cross-platform these days so that's probably not a sticking point
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> stuff like xna/monogame isn't really a whole 'engine', but might be interesting
19:57 < pmprog_laptop> I looked at XNA back when I thought about trying to get a 360 indie game going... Now *that* was confusing
19:57 < SupSuper> i remember monogame sucking, but maybe it sucks less now??
19:57 < SupSuper> like they used all kinds of weird nasty c# wrappers in the backend
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> I remember downloading Marmalade, but don't ever remember getting it working
19:58 < SupSuper> as for sdl on android, ask sf? :p
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> That was supposed to let you do Lua scripts or write in C++
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> He somehow got openapoc to work there
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> though the build system makes me want to jump off a bridge
19:59 < pmprog_laptop> Personally, I'd prefer Allegro, just as that's what I use in my framework... and yeah, I remember him doing that with the early Allegro based OpenApoc
19:59 < pmprog_laptop> I guess the best thing would just be to finish the prototype
20:00 < pmprog_laptop> Consider cross-platforms first
20:00 < pmprog_laptop> *later
20:00 < pmprog_laptop> even
20:00 < pmprog_laptop> don't know why I said first
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, allegro has some android support for 5.1+ IIRC
20:01 < pmprog_laptop> I sometimes wonder if I should spend the time and move my framework across to SDL, considering it seems to be a more "supported" library
20:02 < pmprog_laptop> But that just seems like a lot of effort rewriting all my framework code
20:03 < SupSuper> eh i don't really use frameworks for much more than interactive framebuffers
20:04 < pmprog_laptop> When I say framework, I mean the event and stage system I set up in (the original) OpenApoc
20:04 < pmprog_laptop> I say "the original", as I imagine it's now very different
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the biggest change was the events?
20:05 < SupSuper> well nobody else can figure it out :p
20:05 < pmprog_laptop> Oh?
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm writing my job security!
20:05 < pmprog_laptop> haha, I don't think you need to worry about that here
20:06 < pmprog_laptop> considering this is pretty much your project now... I even feel a bit like a stranger
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I really need to stop piddling around with 'fun' framework changes
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> that make no real difference and often just make stuff more complex...
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> and actually get something *useful* done...
20:07 < SupSuper> he says before doing another makefile tweak...
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I was working on a tiled TileView to improve cache locality
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Then I realised what I was doing and needed a sit down
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> half the issue is I get the odd hour to work on stuff
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> and I feel like I can't start anything big...
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> heh, yeah, I always feel like that
20:14 < SupSuper> maybe go back and finish the things you started?
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> That's why any project of mine that tends to take more than 20 minutes is doomed
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Hey, let's not get crazy
20:15 < SupSuper> i think i rewrote my base code a couple of times before i could classify it "kinda ok" :p
20:16 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: my OpenMOM project is still just a black screen
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> Do you still class OpenMOM as active? Have you done much work on other projects?
20:23 < pmprog_laptop> One of my problems with my TurnFighter is that I have the mechanics sorted, but in order to make a fluid animation of each turn, I'm basically needing to write a full real-time fighting engine
20:24 < pmprog_laptop> Which isn't new, I did a primitive one for SuperJumpKickTurbo
20:24 < pmprog_laptop> But then I keep thinking whether I should make a real-time option in the game, so you can play it like a proper fighter as well as turnbased
20:24 < pmprog_laptop> Feature creep!
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> 4/5 of the 'test of time' steam award nominations were only released in the last ~5 years....
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: Nooo, having a game both turn based and realtime is crazy!
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> 'skyrim'? Honestly...
20:27 < pmprog_laptop> Bah, XCOM:Apoc had it :-) And as I said, it kinda needs a real-time engine to make a nice fluid animation
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> exactly - surely you know by now nothing apoc did is a good idea??
20:27 < pmprog_laptop> lol
20:28 < pmprog_laptop> Where's the steam awards list?
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> http://store.steampowered.com/news/26415/
20:28 < SupSuper> huh, figured they'd wait until the sales
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> though you could argue that 'civ 5' was more a vote for the whole series...
20:29 < SupSuper> tbf all these votes are for recent games :p
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> They're the finalists, with voting for one category each day from dec 22nd
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> so I guess that'll be over the sale
20:29 < SupSuper> really disappointed worms isn't in the farm animal category
20:30 < pmprog_laptop> I agree, even though a worm isn't a farm animal
20:30 < pmprog_laptop> Well, out of that list, the only game I've played is Kerbal
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> the super sheep in worms2 were great
20:30 < SupSuper> the sheep! the sheep!!!
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I thinkt he only one I voted for that made the final list was DOOM
20:33 < pmprog_laptop> Worms 2 was my favourite... because you could literally mod *everything*... then they dumbed it down in Worms: Armageddon
20:33 < pmprog_laptop> or whatever was next
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Minigun with max explosions was fun
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> AKA 'map remover'
20:33 < SupSuper> funny people usually think it went downhill *after* Worms Armageddon :p
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> worms2 was great crowded round a keyboard at school :D
20:34 < SupSuper> i guess because WA was the first online game, and with online always come grognards...
20:34 < pmprog_laptop> I must admit, I tried the first 3D worms, and it looked quite nice, but I found it really difficult to play
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it didn't really mesh with me either
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> BTW - Did you ever see Ziz's "Hase" game? It's kinda like Worms, but with rabbits, and in space. Quite nice game
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> This looks an interesting option for maybe in my fighter - https://moonstar2d.itch.io/barbaros - though there's no licence visible (in the unlikely event I actually make the game sellable)
20:43 < pmprog_laptop> Ahhh, who remembers Barbarian on the C64/Amiga/etc. ? :-)
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> never had a c64 or amiga
20:44 < pmprog_laptop> speccy?
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> An ibm PC man from the day I was born :)
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> It might explain the weird fascination for beige boxes I have to this day
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> lol. Yeah, my dad had a 386 when I was getting really into computers, but I still got an Amiga. Good times
20:47 < pmprog_laptop> When I sold the Amiga I got my old man's 386, then started upgrading it, and even built a few machines
20:47 < pmprog_laptop> I remember going to Manchester to "Spot On Computers" to buy 1MB RAM or the AMD K5 processor
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> we had an ollivetti 286, then a 486 (with a *cd* drive!)
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> then an amd k6-2
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> and *windows 98*
20:48 < SupSuper> ~~swoon~~
20:48 < pmprog_laptop> Ah, those were the days
20:49 < pmprog_laptop> I enjoyed this game - http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/paratrooper/
20:49 < pmprog_laptop> Simple, yet fun. Should make a Pandora port... but probably not
20:49 < pmprog_laptop> Seems barely worth considering Pandora ports any more
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> the best games I played on my 486 were probably tyrian
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> and TFTD :P
20:50 < pmprog_laptop> F29 Retal, Elite 2: Frontier
20:50 < pmprog_laptop> Sooo many games
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> it was weird, my dad spend $thousands (of pounds, damn us keyboard) on the sytem
20:50 < pmprog_laptop> One Must Fall (which there's an open-source engine out there now, looks pretty good)
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> and we pretty much made do with shareware
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> tftd being a christmas present for my brother
20:51 < pmprog_laptop> hehe, probably had no money left after the hardware :P
20:52 < SupSuper> so many demo discs i had to throw away
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, we had the original x-wing space flight sim thingie
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> My brother's wardrobe is still half full of old PC-Format mags :)
20:54 < pmprog_laptop> Right, well, I'm shutting down. Merry Christmas everyone
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> o7
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22:04 < iamasandwich> so i have finally cleaned off this old mac that i have
22:04 < iamasandwich> and i wanted to figure out how and who to get it to
22:04 < iamasandwich> runs 10.11, not 10.12
22:04 < iamasandwich> but, from personal experience, anything that works on 10.11 can be easily made to work on 10.10+
22:04 < iamasandwich> cause that’s what i have to support at work
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> do you need different binaries for each?
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Or is it 'so long as we don't use new features we're fine'?
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I have no idea what version travis uses
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> but I could setup a free AWS account and actually pull off the binaries and do a proper 'nightly build' thing
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> if I can get cpack or something to create mac packages
22:11 < SupSuper> iirc mac os binaries you have to target a specific osx version api which will be the "minimum version"
22:11 < SupSuper> and they don't make it easy to target "old" stuff
22:12 < SupSuper> since the osx api can include everything from sane dependencies to actually recent opengl
22:14 < iamasandwich> you specify a minimum version
22:15 < iamasandwich> the oldest mac os you can support is 10.6
22:15 < iamasandwich> i have a machine running that if you need it also
22:15 < iamasandwich> if it runs on 10.6 it will run on any intel based mac
22:15 < iamasandwich> which is 2006+
22:16 < iamasandwich> if you want to support ppc (1999 - 2005) you’d need a ppc mac and build environment
22:16 < iamasandwich> i have one of those too
22:17 < iamasandwich> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
22:17 < SupSuper> if you can get openapoc ported to mac, i'll sign you up for openxcom as well :p
22:17 < iamasandwich> we got it running the other day :-P
22:17 < iamasandwich> but it needs to be adjusted to link to apple opengl
22:18 < SupSuper> iirc building a binary is easy, since you can use any regular unix tools. it's putting in a "proper" app bundle and frameworks and stuff that's the fun part
22:19 < iamasandwich> the hardest part is doing that without xcode gui
22:19 < iamasandwich> because you have to maintain it with xcode then
22:19 < iamasandwich> vs just running running makefiles
22:19 < SupSuper> yeah i think that's what killed off our osx maintainers :p
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> https://cmake.org/Wiki/CMake:CPackPackageGenerators#Bundle_.28OSX_only.29
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Setting up a proper cpack could also generate .msi and .deb and similar...
22:22 < SupSuper> i think an app bundle is just a folder, not a disk image
22:22 < SupSuper> but with a bunch of weird shit
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> https://cmake.org/Wiki/CMake:CPackPackageGenerators#DragNDrop_.28OSX_only.29
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess that's the 'same' but a directory not a packaged bundle?
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> (I don't know how osx really works...)
22:23 < SupSuper> like normally a linux binary will just link to any old system thing, so you gotta use magic to link to the dependencies in the bundle and they gotta be wrapped with a pretty bow and
22:23 < iamasandwich> it’s just a folder with files in it
22:23 < SupSuper> basically osx is a weird linux :p
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> it uses SONAME?
22:24 < iamasandwich> it will have a MacOS folder, and libraries or frameworks you want to ship with the app, and resources like images and shit
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Really we need the data/ folder and the OpenApoc binary
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> that's pretty much it?
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> PErhaps an installer tool to say 'select your .iso file'
22:25 < iamasandwich> the game is using SDL right?
22:25 < SupSuper> i wish linux had installers because the amount of people that can't find their game files is insane
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> sdl2, boost (you likely have to package this as you can't mix and match versions of boost)
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: you mean .deb files?
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> You can get them to pop up dialogs etc.?
22:26 < iamasandwich> JonnyH`Work: What you can do is embed them within the .app file.
22:26 < iamasandwich> and include everything the game needs
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> so long as fopen(./data/file) opens the rght thing it should work
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> does macos search local dirs for libraries first?
22:27 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: you can? that sounds like heresy to me
22:28 < iamasandwich> JonnyH`Work: it depends on how it’s compiled. to get this working, i linked to the macports versions of sdl and boost
22:28 < iamasandwich> so anyone with those installed would be able to run it
22:28 < iamasandwich> because it would be in the same location
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> iamasandwich: if you can 'sanely' say "Install macports boost-specific-version-" then you could do that
22:28 < iamasandwich> what we’d actually need to do is get sdl, get boost, write some scripts to compile them and copy the built library
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> as boost doesn't really support building with headers VERSION_A and running with the libraries from VERSION_B
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> but SDL2 is pretty stable, so I think 'any' sdl2 version would work (minus bugs, of course)
22:29 < iamasandwich> then with an xcode project file, we can include the specific binary and link to it, using its symbols into the app
22:29 < iamasandwich> you can wrap makefiles and complex c compile processes with xcode
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> but can you setup such dependencies in the installer?
22:29 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: the osx app bundle approach is more like a windows application. everything is "self contained", no going through global filesystem libs and such
22:30 < iamasandwich> JonnyH`Work: you wouldn’t. you would build them and statically link your app binary to them
22:30 < SupSuper> so you specifically link the app against your bundled dependencies, it doesn't just magically work
22:30 < iamasandwich> and include them in the .app file
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> so I guess packaging libsdl2.so/libboost_whatever.so is the 'best' idea
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Or doing a static build
22:30 < iamasandwich> lemme send you a picture
22:30 < iamasandwich> one second
22:30 < iamasandwich> it will make this more clear
22:31 < iamasandwich> i’m going to sned some screenshots of my build environment i have right now and the compiled apps and stuff
22:31 < iamasandwich> a picture is worth 1000 words
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> unfortunately those words are "I Don't Like Macs!" repeated over and over :P
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> well, it's more "No experience" than "dislike" :P
22:32 < iamasandwich> i think i can actually get it setup to do this correctly using your scripts
22:32 < iamasandwich> with like scafolding around it
22:32 < iamasandwich> so you don’t really have to maintain the mac portion
22:32 < iamasandwich> you just update the submodule of openapoc
22:33 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: that's the problem with osx, it's a "unix" but following unix conventions isn't the "correct" way :p
22:33 < iamasandwich> i mean, you can build and run openapoc as a unix application. all the conventions work
22:33 < iamasandwich> it works really well
22:34 < iamasandwich> and i just shipped a new version! here’s hoping it doesn’t blow up.
22:34 < iamasandwich> (of my work projects)
22:34 < SupSuper> yeah for now that's fine, i'm just alerting for the "proper" way once you actually hit 1.0
22:35 < iamasandwich> i mean, what i want is for there to be a .app
22:35 < iamasandwich> you download it
22:35 < iamasandwich> you run it
22:35 < iamasandwich> it pops up and asks you for your iso
22:35 < iamasandwich> gives you the option to move it to the application support folder
22:35 < iamasandwich> or leave it where it is
22:35 < iamasandwich> and then starts the game
22:36 < iamasandwich> that’s how it’s supposed to work
22:36 < iamasandwich> there is no reason that a unix c application can’t be wrapped
22:36 < iamasandwich> most mac developers have NO experience with real unix or linux dev
22:36 < iamasandwich> i just happen to
22:37 < SupSuper> well like i said, if you get that working i'm hiring you for openxcom
22:37 < SupSuper> since the last people that tried just ran away
22:37 < iamasandwich> <3 xcom and apoc
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: what's the pay like? :P
22:37 < iamasandwich> satisfcation
22:37 < iamasandwich> fame
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> infamy?
22:37 < iamasandwich> maybe a job at apple? :troll:
22:38 < SupSuper> cookies?
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> you get cookies in openxcom?
22:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Looks like we can't match that here... sorry :(
22:38 < iamasandwich> shit
22:38 < iamasandwich> i love cookies
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22:39 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: for reference this is what an app bundle looks like: http://i.imgur.com/gs7vGtX.png
22:39 < SupSuper> so making the binary and .so (i don't think they're even that) is the least of your concerns :p
22:40 < SupSuper> from the user's perspective, it's just something you double-click and magic happens like you would an EXE
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> seems to match the cpack list, but the frameworks might be 'fun'...
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22:41 < SupSuper> and if your dependencies have dependencies... http://i.imgur.com/hWO4sEA.png
22:41 < iamasandwich> most of that framework stuff is “magic"
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> ld -static :P
22:41 < iamasandwich> xcode just shits it out
22:42 < iamasandwich> but i don’t think these all need to be frameworks
22:42 < iamasandwich> there is no reason you can’t just link to the library versions
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> frameworks are just Mach-O shared objects right
22:42 < SupSuper> well openapoc is probably lighter than openxcom
22:42 < iamasandwich> they’re bundles like apps
22:42 < SupSuper> since JonnyH`Work rolls all his own shit :p
22:42 < iamasandwich> it’s basically the same shit
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess they don't split by SONAME or something
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm currently working on that annoying 'c++ standard library' dependency
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> so I'm writing my own
22:43 < iamasandwich> lol
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I already have my own minimal 'libc' for linux somewherer ;)
22:46 < SupSuper> https://github.com/electronicarts/EASTL
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> pff, the containers are 'easy'
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> threads, system io, dlopen is where the 'fun' is :P
22:48 < iamasandwich> tfw your software shits itself on release :-(
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> iamasandwich: yeah, but it shits itself *fast*
22:48 < iamasandwich> yeah. we pulled it before too many customers had it
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22:48 < iamasandwich> 7 users, 25 sessions, 15 crashes
22:49 < iamasandwich> wom wom wom
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> ugh
22:49 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: but it works on vc++6!
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: so?
22:49 < iamasandwich> and crashlytics is all like “naw we’re not gonna process your crash reports"
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> openapoc doesn't
22:50 < SupSuper> well you couldn't pay me to go back to vc++6. those were dark days
22:51 < SupSuper> i don't think it was even standards-compliant
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> it was released pre-standard IIRC
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22:54 < SupSuper> granted it took forever for c++ compilers to get good enough for gamedevs
22:54 < SupSuper> and then forever for gamedevs to get off their high ground :p
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> gamedevs seemed to pick up c++ rather quicker than most
22:57 < SupSuper> sure but they didn't like it. i'm sure sure they were still using asm optimizations in the 21st century
22:59 < SupSuper> good thing they found java and .net to hate instead :p
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Just the other day I had to break out the arm64 __asm() myself :P
23:04 < SupSuper> i assume drivers don't have to worry about portability though :P
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> It was a workaround for some cache issue
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> so it was already platform specific :p
23:05 < SupSuper> time to write my own cpu!
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> The actual performance stuff used gcc's vector_size extension so it did simd without being too platform specific
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> but that was a nasty bug, the only way of diagnosing it was to actually look at the asm the compiler generated...
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> My takeaway: The arm64 cache/alignment interactions means it's impossible to write 'correct' code in all cases if you're communicating to a device in io memory
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08:05 < TheSnide> .c that was compiled with -O0
08:06 < TheSnide> which makes it quite portable, yet working. and the perf wasn't that bad as iomem is usually slower than a call/return overhead
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17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> TheSnide: The issue we had is stuff like glMapBuffer() returning 'device' memory to userspace
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> and we can't guarantee what the app then did with that
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> plus we wanted to avoid kernel transitions to do stuff like write comand queues/kick registers
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19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> *sigh* I have a feeling it's going to be 'one of those days'
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Emergency bug! With a (rather insulting) 'Your Driver Is Broken And Shit' type comments from the game dev
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> and literally line 1 of the 'broken' shader:
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> float16 variable = {constalt significantly larger than a f16 can represent};
19:45 < SupSuper> there's your problem, working with gamedevs :p
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> 'It works on my geforce 1080!'
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> well,that doesn't honor the mediump annotation, so you'll end up with f32...
19:46 < SupSuper> the real horror is glsl
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> you prefer hlsl? Or opencl? :P
19:47 < SupSuper> hlsl. glsl is more "c" but not in a good way :p
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> meh, you're allowed your own opinion
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> It's wrong, but you're allowed it :P
19:48 < SupSuper> well i probably know more glsl than hlsl so clearly i'm just a sucker for punishment
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> which glsl? 1.1? 3.3? 400? ES300?
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> We're not very good at version numbers
19:49 < SupSuper> :p
19:49 < SupSuper> whichever is the bad one because that's what all the tutorials are still written in
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> probably 1.1 then, as that's what opengl 2.1 has
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> wait, no, that was 1.2
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> 1.1 was opengl 2.0
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> 1.0 didn't exist
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> We're not very good at version numbers
19:51 < SupSuper> i know they eventually renamed stuff to more sensible things like "in" and "out" that was nice
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> If you used 'varying' and 'attribute' it's <= 1.2, if you used 'in' and 'out' it's >= 1.3
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> if you used 'position' and 'location' on top of in/out it's > 330
19:52 < SupSuper> even this stuff still uses old glsl so: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/GLSL_Programming/Unity/Shading_in_World_Space
19:52 < SupSuper> not that you're supposed to use glsl in unity anyways :p
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> ugh, that's using pre-2008 shaders
19:54 < SupSuper> that's probably intentionally legacy, since normally unity uses a hlsl-like which gets converted into whatever target platform you need
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC unity actually uses a fork of the mesa glslcompiler to do transpiling and whatnot
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> shaderc aimed at vulkan support both glsl and hlsl input too
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> which is less than ideal for me, as I'm now having to learn hlsl
19:56 < SupSuper> :p
19:57 < SupSuper> the one time i had a driver shader problem i sent it to nvidia and they actually put together a test program and replied back and everything. sadly by then the next driver update had already made it go away :P
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> nice :)
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I found a shader that caused a SEGV in the amd shader compiler a while back
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> send it off... never heard back, but it was fixed next release so I guess they read it?
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> this was ~5 years ago, when AMD didn't really *do* linux
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20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Ugh, I got stuck in the 'coffee machine conversation from hell'
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> "Christmas is expensive, it's hard to make ends meet, ya know"?
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> knowing everyone in that group earns $150k +
20:11 < SupSuper> is that the programmer version of water cooler conversation?
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess, waiting for the machine means I couldn't even bail without skipping the coffee itself
20:12 < SupSuper> should've just jumped out the window and get it over with
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> ground floor :(
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> and they don't open, probably for 'security'
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> ...Clearly I've been thinking deeply about leaping out the windows
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> In the UK the last day before xmas was always a quake3 tournament
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> but nobody here seems interested :(
20:14 < SupSuper> damn that's old-skool
20:14 < SupSuper> here we just get the usual christmas treats
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a tradition from the release of qtest :P
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21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Huh, jordos popped by the forum to give out a link to the latest apoc'd
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> which pmprog promply removed thinking it was spam :P
21:45 < SupSuper> lol
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I *think* I have the same version
21:45 < SupSuper> man i haven't seen j'ordos in ages
21:45 < SupSuper> wonder what he's up to
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but even with admin on the board I can't seem to get the post back?
21:46 < SupSuper> i don't think forums have a trash can
21:46 <@JonnyH`Work> it wasn't a deleted post, he just edited out the link
21:46 < SupSuper> well a history then, that's like... premium! or something :p
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, I'm off now
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Gotta help prepare some food for tomorrow :)
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20:22 < SupSuper> JonnyH: GLSL is garbage :p
20:25 <@JonnyH> Now listen here you little shit...
20:26 < SupSuper> i had to port a shader from GLSL to GLSL ES and boy howdy did they make the language fussy in the process
20:27 <@JonnyH> prepend '#version 300 es' and 'precision highp float;' and you're done?
20:28 < SupSuper> stricter types, stricter loops, stricter operators
20:28 <@JonnyH> ...are you porting from nvidia's driver by any chance? :P
20:28 <@JonnyH> they play *extremely* fast and loose with the spec
20:28 < SupSuper> dunno, i was just getting it to run on a browser sandbox
20:29 <@JonnyH> I think the only things that changed were things you *really* shouldn't be doing anyway...
20:30 <@JonnyH> not that it helps if you're not really performance limited
20:31 < SupSuper> like something like "for (int i = 1; i <= turb; i *= 2)" would just throw its shit
20:31 <@JonnyH> you might not notice a few useless int/float conversions on desktop
20:33 < SupSuper> had to rewrite it as "for (float i = 0.0; i < turb; i++)
20:33 < SupSuper>  { float t = pow(2.0, i); ..."
20:33 <@JonnyH> you *are* using ES3, not ES2 right?
20:34 <@JonnyH> no ints in base es2
20:34 <@JonnyH> at least for non-const expressions
20:35 < SupSuper> yeah i changed to float because turb is a float so it didn't like the int-to-float conversion
20:35 < SupSuper> *comparison
20:35 < SupSuper> also had to make it const too, thanks for the reminder
20:35 < SupSuper> and can't use *= or = in loops
20:35 <@JonnyH> 'caus  es2 doesn't require hardware with dynamic flow control
20:36 <@JonnyH> it *requires* unrolling to be possible at the compiler level
20:36 < SupSuper> apparently webgl is based on glsl es2 so rip
20:37 <@JonnyH> that's 10 years old now :P
20:38 < SupSuper> welcome to webdev
20:38 <@JonnyH> poor you
20:39 <@JonnyH> admittedly, webgl came out before GLES3
20:39 < SupSuper> apparently there is a webgl2 based on es3 being pushed
20:40 <@JonnyH> still draft IIRC
20:40 < SupSuper> i'm sure all the standards will be worked out in another 10 years
20:40 <@JonnyH> and that's probably going to be missing all the 3.1/3.2 extras :P
20:42 <@JonnyH> it's a bit of a shame es3 took so long to get standardised
20:42 <@JonnyH> as our hw for es2 could actually support the vast majority of the features that made it into that :p
20:43 <@JonnyH> but people weren't too interested in new fancy effects on mobile as they were power/performance limited before they got to the point they were pushing against es2 features for the post part
20:47 <@JonnyH> I wonder when webVulkan will appear :P
20:48 <@JonnyH> or at least a queue/task based graphics api, as I doubt half the nitty gritty of vulkan makes sense when put through a thick abstraction layer to the browser code...
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22:27 < SupSuper> damn visual studio is really going all out on cmake: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/12/20/cmake-support-in-visual-studio-2017-whats-new-in-the-rc-update/
22:27 <@JonnyH> cool? I guess?
22:27 < SupSuper> soon you'll no longer have to maintain a separate vs project :p
22:27 <@JonnyH> TBH we could do that today
22:27 <@JonnyH> the difference being you have to run the generator every time you changed something
22:28 < SupSuper> yeah
22:28 <@JonnyH> and any changes you made in msvc to the project files would be to the autogenerated version, so lost :P
22:28 < SupSuper> multiplied by all the different projects you have in there :p
22:28 < SupSuper> tests, tools, etc
22:28 <@JonnyH> They're all pulled into the same invokation
22:28 <@JonnyH> I'd still need to tweak them a fair bit though
22:29 <@JonnyH> quite a few things assume GNU C and Bash
22:29 < SupSuper> yeah, and this doesn't work with nuget yet
22:29 < SupSuper> they are pushing this thing: https://aka.ms/vcpkg
22:29 <@JonnyH> yeah, the boost/sdl2 dependencies would be a pain...
22:30 <@JonnyH> TBH that looks like a decent selection of libs
22:30 <@JonnyH> everything we'd need is in there
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22:31 <@JonnyH> (even possible future stuff like a qt editor/frontend)
22:31 < SupSuper> yeah it's just another thing to learn
22:31 < SupSuper> also people are really upset at them adding stuff during rc...
22:31 <@JonnyH> and does it integrate into their cmake?
22:31 <@JonnyH> e.g. so I can just do find_package(SDL2 >= 2.0.5)
22:31 < SupSuper> still i'm really interested in trying this stuff in future projects
22:32 <@JonnyH> and it do pkgconfig on linux, and whatever on windwos?
22:32 <@JonnyH> *that* would be nice :)
22:32 < SupSuper> seems like it: https://github.com/Microsoft/vcpkg/blob/master/docs/EXAMPLES.md#example-1-2-b
22:33 <@JonnyH> nice :)
22:33 <@JonnyH> Maybe I should move to that...
22:33 <@JonnyH> says it only needs msvc2015, not the rc
22:35 < SupSuper> well that's just for fetching dependencies, the open-cmake-in-vc stuff is only on 2017
22:35 <@JonnyH> TBH A lot of my annoyances with msvc seem to have been recently noted and they appear to actualy be trying to fix them
22:35 <@JonnyH> which is cool :)
22:36 <@JonnyH> Hopefully you'll no longer have 2 completely independent builds for everything: Windows and Everything Else
22:36 < SupSuper> but it does look a lot nicer than nuget since it's just a global library folder ala linux that anything else can tap into, so no messy project configurations
22:36 <@JonnyH> Might be 'interesting' to see how it handles versions
22:36 < SupSuper> and the c++ nuget stuff doesn't seem to be maintained a lot. hopefully this one doesn't have the same fate :p
22:37 <@JonnyH> hopefully if it just wraps their own build systems (as a *lot* use cmake)
22:37 <@JonnyH> it'd be easier to track upstream
22:37 <@JonnyH> if you look, for example, but boost nuget packages we pull in have clearly had a *lot* of work done to get them to integrate into the msvc builds
22:38 <@JonnyH> but boost uses it's own build system anyway... which is annyoing...
22:39 < SupSuper> well it seems to build from source so it's probably easier to maintain between versions: https://github.com/Microsoft/vcpkg/blob/master/ports/boost/portfile.cmake
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22:40 <@JonnyH> yeah, it seems to bootstrap bjam...
22:40 <@JonnyH> but do you want to build *all* of boost every time?
22:41 < SupSuper> well at least it's global so you only have to do it *one* time, unlike nuget's madness
22:41 <@JonnyH> until you change a compiler option that makes the libs incompatible...
22:42 <@JonnyH> Does anyone still use the non-mt crt?
22:42 < SupSuper> well that's your fault for not using boost :p
22:43 < SupSuper> probably not. the only build targets seem to be static/shared and x86/x64/universal
22:44 <@JonnyH> good I guess?
22:44 <@JonnyH> Older msvc also linked libraries differently if they were release/debug :P
22:44 <@JonnyH> but I think (hope?) that's ancient history now
22:45 < SupSuper> i think c++ libraries still need separate debug/release because of the STL or something
22:45 <@JonnyH> so every binary package has to have the whole setof {{x86,x64}{debug,release}{static,shared}{thread,nothread}}
22:46 <@JonnyH> Same (to a degree) with gcc's c++ library - the 'Crazy Debug Most' for the stl changes the type names, so anything that passes c++ objects over it's api needs to be built with the same option
22:46 <@JonnyH> but people rarely use it as *most* useful checks are done without the 'Crazy Debug Mode'
22:46 < SupSuper> so same as always, only now you don't have to track down all those library versions yourself :P
22:47 < SupSuper> but hey, at least you'll finally have libraries for universal apps! you know, if you ever wanna use windows phone...
22:47 <@JonnyH> Is the vcpkg 'install/update' integrated into the visual studio stuff too?
22:47 <@JonnyH> Or do you still have to have 'open a console, type the following magic commands before building' step in the readme
22:50 < SupSuper> seems you have to install them yourself the first time. it probably just puts them all in visual studio's global include/library paths to be as agnostic as possible
22:51 < SupSuper> since visual c++ projects don't really have any concept of "dependencies"
22:51 < SupSuper> maybe it'll be better integrated in the next version. dunno if they wanna confuse nuget users though
22:52 <@JonnyH> Yeah, seems a bit weird they couldn't just improve nuget to get the same functionalty
22:52 <@JonnyH> Maybe there was no backwards-compatible way...
22:53 <@JonnyH> when is VS-NEXT (2017?) going to be released?
22:53 < SupSuper> well they seem to on a toolchain-agnostic streak. so less "visual studio as your entire toolset" more "visual studio as the ide part of the toolset"
22:53 <@JonnyH> And do you think it'll be worth the cost of requiring it to use cmake everywhere?
22:54 <@JonnyH> This is literally the only reason Ihave msvc installed
22:54 <@JonnyH> but if other devs have other projects that don't work with new versions it might be annoying
22:55 < SupSuper> we gotta be courageous ;)
22:55 < SupSuper> well i'll be sure to be the first to try it and let you know how it works out. i'm only not using the RCs because i don't want too many visual studio leftovers on my system :p
22:56 < SupSuper> people with older visual studios can still use cmake anyways, they'll just have to build manually...
22:58 <@JonnyH> I was tempted to populate a git submodule with all the binaries for dependencies/*
22:58 <@JonnyH> I generally tend to like full-source builds on linux
22:58 <@JonnyH> at it seems gcc is quite a bit faster to build
22:58 < SupSuper> you mad man :p
22:58 <@JonnyH> and debugging through other libraries is much easier
22:59 <@JonnyH> waiting ~2 mins for a clean build is quite a bit better than ~10 :P
23:00 <@JonnyH> I think most of that is because cmake/make seems to parallelise *much* better...
23:00 <@JonnyH> might be due to me doing the msvc projects 'wrong' though :P
23:00 <@JonnyH> rather than any built-in limitation
23:02 < SupSuper> kinda weird that vcpkg only seems to fetch source zips rather than straight from github or something. it would probably be smaller...
23:03 <@JonnyH> for c++ it seems the 'github/cmake' buildsystem has 'won'
23:03 < SupSuper> well cmake seems to be the only non-political system around :p
23:04 < SupSuper> all the others are polluted by stallman's wrath
23:04 <@JonnyH> It's not 'nice' syntax
23:04 <@JonnyH> but it's not so bad, and popularity has an advantage of it's own
23:04 <@JonnyH> so it's not really worth starting again for smallish improvements
23:10 < SupSuper> well nothing is nice in c++ world :p
23:10 < SupSuper> and cmake seems to be the only one to have bothered to not treat everything as a unix
23:11 <@JonnyH> well, windows is the only holdout
23:11 <@JonnyH> and they seem to be putting a lot of effort into correcting that recently :P
23:11 <@JonnyH> Maybe we'll get good platform-independant tools just as soon as they're not really needed :P
23:12 < SupSuper> where's the next c++ :p
23:14 <@JonnyH> c++2x probably with modules would make a lot of this change too...
23:24 < SupSuper> i'm sure they'll find a way to fuck it up
23:25 < SupSuper> i like the webdev approach: hey so we have modules but it's the web so you still have to worry about including files MAKING IT COMPLETELY POINTLESS
23:26 <@JonnyH> That's like having every .c file #included at the top of a main.cpp
23:27 < SupSuper> without polluting your scope i guess
23:28 <@JonnyH> Perhaps that would be more sane with modules
23:29 <@JonnyH> as that would put limits on the 'global state' modifications an #import could do
23:30 < SupSuper> yeah es6 basically lets you 'export' and 'import' stuff between files
23:31 < SupSuper> but you still need to play around with script tags since there's no way for a js file to load another js file
23:32 < SupSuper> and certainly no way for a js file to magically detect which js file a module comes from
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06:31 < emre-irssi> Hi!
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18:16 <@JonnyH> emre-irssi: hey
18:19 < emre-irssi> Hello :) Thanks for the project
18:21 <@JonnyH> thank you for your appreciation :)
18:21 <@JonnyH> Though I'm far from the only one putting work into it...
18:22 < emre-irssi> Yep, I meant it generally, thanks to you all
18:22 < emre-irssi> Apoc is my favorite game
18:23 <@JonnyH> Well, I hope we can make good progress and not make you wait too long :P
18:24 < emre-irssi> I was thinking of making some contributions, but I am not a good C++ programmer, which is not an easy language to pick up and start coding
18:24 <@JonnyH> No, we've not made it easy for ourselves...
18:24 <@JonnyH> Though it might be a good 'learning opportunity'
18:25 <@JonnyH> (and actually one of the reasons I started working on it, as a way of using 'new' c++ features)
18:28 < emre-irssi> True, but there are way too many gotchas - I am afraid of introducing some memory leaks and such. I have done some non-serious programming in C, but C++ seems unintuitive to me...
18:29 < emre-irssi> It would be extra work for you
18:29 < emre-irssi> I am trying to learn Rust though, so that might give me some insight on how C++ works I guess
18:30 <@JonnyH> 'modern' c++ is very different in style to C
18:31 <@JonnyH> using smart pointers etc. mean you can avoid a fair bit of the 'common mistakes' of memory management
18:33 <@JonnyH> you do have to think about ownership properly to avoid leaks
18:33 <@JonnyH> but you have to do that in GC'd languages too (avoid 'loops' etc.)
18:34 <@JonnyH> but constantly adding new ways to do things onto a language does make it a bit messy at times :)
18:36 < emre-irssi> I have read through Effective C++, the more I had read, the more I got scared :P Lots of interesting, non-obvious stuff unfortunately
18:36 < emre-irssi> I am coming from a Scala (and a tiny bit of Haskell) background
18:37 < emre-irssi> It's a lot different experience
18:37 < emre-irssi> I tried to get it working a couple of months ago though
18:37 < emre-irssi> I remember running into some problems with the file system library you use
18:37 <@JonnyH> and lots of landmines sitting there unexpectedly in the name of backwards compatibility :P
18:37 <@JonnyH> boost::filesystem?
18:37 < emre-irssi> No, let me try to find
18:37 <@JonnyH> oh, physfs?
18:38 <@JonnyH> Yeah, we had to patch that as the iso loader was broken upstream -_-
18:38 <@JonnyH> so you likely can't use the standard packages
18:38 < emre-irssi> Yes it was physfs. I am on OSX, so I remember not being able to compile or something
18:38 <@JonnyH> but recently (maybe more recent than 'a couple of months ago') I changed it so it statically built it as part of our cmake build
18:38 <@JonnyH> so it should be easier
18:39 <@JonnyH> Oh, we added an osx CI build in November or so
18:39 <@JonnyH> and that took a bit of work :)
18:39 <@JonnyH> so it might be easier today
18:39 < emre-irssi> Ah, that's very cool
18:39 <@JonnyH> It's not really well supported, as none of the 'core' devs have a mac
18:39 <@JonnyH> so maybe the best docs are in the .travis.yml file
18:39 < emre-irssi> Well at least I could be a play-tester then
18:39 < emre-irssi> :)
18:40 <@JonnyH> look for the 'TRAVIS_OS_NAME == "osx"' lines
18:40 < emre-irssi> How are you implementing the original game features though? Like calculating hit chances and such. Reversing?
18:41 <@JonnyH> Skin36 did a lot of reversing, and I think Istrebitel has implemented all the accuracy mechanics 
18:41 <@JonnyH> but if not I believe we have enough docs on how it works
18:42 <@JonnyH> so hopefully it should mostly play the same (when done, it's still not really playable yet :)
18:42 <@JonnyH> Including all the hacks in the original :P
18:42 <@JonnyH> Like the homing missile paths mean it's 'impossible to miss', even for the small bikes
18:43 <@JonnyH> so they faked it by offsetting the collision map for the small bikes etc., so it wouldn't actually home into the middle of the vehicle :P
18:46 < emre-irssi> Are you planning to add additional features after completion?
18:46 <@JonnyH> yes
18:46 < emre-irssi> Like beam weapon accuracy issues & tank-road problem
18:46 <@JonnyH> we're already rewriting the internal data storage 'from scratch'
18:47 <@JonnyH> so allow us to tweak things or add new stuff easily
18:47 < emre-irssi> I see
18:47 <@JonnyH> already you can import 'mods' (IE overlays that modify parts of the game state)
18:47 <@JonnyH> easier than hexediting binaries, though it is kinda nasy xml
18:47 < emre-irssi> Well there is always the code as well, of course
18:47 <@JonnyH> Yup
18:47 < emre-irssi> For heavy duty modding
18:48 <@JonnyH> Currently we don't really 'script' anything
18:48 <@JonnyH> it's either 'data', or c++
18:48 < emre-irssi> I think that is a good approach though
18:48 < emre-irssi> Scripting seems only useful to me when the source is closed
18:48 < emre-irssi> But then again it won't be easy to "compose" mods
18:48 <@JonnyH> It can make distributing mods easier
18:49 <@JonnyH> but we're still implementing 'core' features
18:49 <@JonnyH> if we designed a script-accessible API todayt it'll probably be completely different by release :P
18:49 < emre-irssi> Any word from Gollop? :P
18:49 <@JonnyH> and likely take longer to get 1.0 out of the door
18:49 < emre-irssi> Yeah that's true
18:50 <@JonnyH> I think he mentioned it on twitter once :P
18:51 <@JonnyH> I think supsuper also asked some firaxis bloke, but got the response 'we can't really do anything'
18:51 < emre-irssi> Hmm, do what, for instance?
18:51 <@JonnyH> we've poked a couple of devs who worked on it too, but most seem to have forgotten most of what they did :P
18:51 <@JonnyH> (it was ~20 years ago :)
18:51 < emre-irssi> True
18:51 < emre-irssi> I wonder if they still remember the original vision though
18:52 < emre-irssi> The stuff with tracker guns and so on
18:52 < emre-irssi> It seems there was an political overlay, but was dropped
18:52 <@JonnyH> Not sure, I suspect half of that stuff being cut wasa  good idea
18:52 <@JonnyH> 'More stuff' doesn't always mean 'better' :P
18:52 < emre-irssi> True
18:52 <@JonnyH> I keep saying I'm not a game designer, if openapoc 'just' implemented the released behaviour
18:52 <@JonnyH> but gives the hooks to allow mods to add similar features
18:53 <@JonnyH> I'll consider that to be a perfect success
18:53 < emre-irssi> Yep, of course. That is a very big task in itself too
18:54 < emre-irssi> And there is always the issue of conflicting visions for the game
18:54 < emre-irssi> I had been working on porting an 1997~ game to SDL recently
18:54 < emre-irssi> I am tempted to add something at every step, but it is my vision, which might not be liked by everybody
18:54 < emre-irssi> So getting it in a shape with the original intact is the first step before everything
18:55 < emre-irssi> so that you can freeze-store it in that state
18:55 < emre-irssi> and the rest is optional additions etc.
18:55 < emre-irssi> like a fork
18:55 <@JonnyH> OpenXcom does something similar, where it ships with 'mods' that enable commonly wanted extensions
18:56 <@JonnyH> but (outside of a few UI changes) you can turn them all off for a 'vanilla' experience
19:03 < TheSnide> JonnyH: i'm eager to see a bullet-hell battle of an all-machinegun team ;)
19:03 <@JonnyH> all dual weilding devestator cannons :)
19:04 < emre-irssi> Haha that was my #1 cheese strategy
19:05 < emre-irssi> Dual-equip devastators
19:05 <@JonnyH> Not 'MOAR TOXIGUNS!!'?
19:05 < emre-irssi> Real time game
19:05 < emre-irssi> Just level the building dwon
19:05 <@JonnyH> you tend not to kill your own guys as much with them
19:05 <@JonnyH> and the damage they do (to aliens) is just silly...
19:05 < emre-irssi> I had a firing squad where the people in fromt were crawling and the ones in the back were crouching
19:06 < emre-irssi> Worked very well except for missions where aliens could run away
19:06 < emre-irssi> Otherwise for UFO camping, it was extremely effective
19:06 < emre-irssi> Someone touches the UFO door -> Purple beamstorm of doom
19:06 < emre-irssi> cue alien death sound
19:08 < emre-irssi> I think the only real problems in the game were poppers, entropy launchers, dimension missiles
19:08 < emre-irssi> And the occasional psi attack
19:09 < emre-irssi> which can be countered by mind-controlling your own guy
19:09 <@JonnyH> for humans psi was pretty useless...
19:11 <@JonnyH> and if you are using toxiguns you just ignore them
19:12 <@JonnyH> the biggest cost will be manufacturing the ammo they wasted shooting your other guys ineffectively in the back
19:13 < emre-irssi> Hehe true
19:13 < emre-irssi> They can still throw grenades though
19:14 <@JonnyH> but most of the time they don't
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19:27  * TheSnide finished a game with only machine guna
19:28 < TheSnide> was quite a challenge ;)
19:31 <@JonnyH> I'm sure it was :P
19:31 < SupSuper> it does seem to be the most spammable weapon
19:32 <@JonnyH> I'd be more worried about running out of ammo...
19:32 <@JonnyH> The market was weird...
19:34 < SupSuper> well i think it's also the weapon with the most ammo in the market if i recall my apoc stream
19:35 < SupSuper> your lawpistol prostrat went broke pretty quickly :p
19:35 <@JonnyH> probably
19:35 <@JonnyH> lawpistol prostrat is based on the RNGJesus being friendly with ammo
19:35 <@JonnyH> I've had it where there are more pistols than ammo at game start :P
19:36 < emre-irssi> Plasma pistols were also very strong if I remember correctly
19:36 < emre-irssi> But ammo was scarce
19:36 <@JonnyH> the problem is they appear in week 2
19:36 < TheSnide> actually you did end up out of ammo *inside* the battle
19:36 <@JonnyH> when aliens start getting shields
19:36 < TheSnide> not really out of supply
19:36 <@JonnyH> (assuming you're got a crazy score from raiding the cult 500 times :)
19:37 < SupSuper> too bad the cult uses up all their explosives... on you :p
19:37 <@JonnyH> they do love throwing missiles from outside your sight range too
19:43 < TheSnide> never raided anyone actually. only did curative strikes
19:43 <@JonnyH> you clearly need to work on your prostrats :P
19:44 <@JonnyH> I play to *win*
19:44 <@JonnyH> not to have fun
19:46 < SupSuper> by making sure the aliens will wreck you by week 2? :P
19:46 <@JonnyH> They'll get that stuff anyway, may as well get it sooner to put in the labs
19:47 < SupSuper> honestly raids are fun but man the game already has too many missions per hour
19:55 < TheSnide> +1 to too many missions per hour
19:55 < TheSnide> i only play to have fun.
19:56 <@JonnyH> I only bother in the first week or so
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15:59 < TheSnide> huhu
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18:51 < emre-irssi> Happy new year all
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20:10 < TheSnide> HNY :)
21:13 < Pawlac> Happy new year to y'all nigguhs
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21:11 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 92a38f3 Jonathan Hamilton: Use directory enumeration when searching for maps to extract...
21:11 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3abf50e Jonathan Hamilton: Appveyor windows build: Put debug info (pdb) in separate package...
21:11 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 09497a3 Jonathan Hamilton: De-templatify StateObject<>, instead use a macro
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20:38 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work doing commits? :o
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> JonnyH`'Work' :p
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> just cleaning up a couple of things I already had locally
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22:45 < TheSnide> MACRO instead of templates ?
22:45 <@JonnyH`Work> The templates broke some ODR-style rules :P
22:45 < TheSnide> odr ?
22:46 <@JonnyH`Work> specialisations *should* be visible to all compilation units
22:46 <@JonnyH`Work> 'one definition rule' - effectively the same template name/parameter set should always expand to EXACTLY the same code at every use in the whole program
22:46 < TheSnide> oh
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> It's one of these things that realisatically would probably work
22:47 <@JonnyH`Work> but the compilation would fail if you #included stuff in the wrong order or something silly
22:48  * TheSnide thinks that the code has to be quite convoluted then
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, honestly using a template there was probably not a great fit
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's more a way of ensuring classes implemented some methods
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> but it didn't actually do that, as it wouldn't error until it tried to link and realise they didn't exist...
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> Really, the proposed concept stuff would be perfect for that :)
22:50 < TheSnide> ... but we already discussed about that. and i think that your goals are not.the one i was expecting
22:50 < TheSnide> and.that's perfectly valid ;)
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm not sure I have a goal :P
22:50 < TheSnide> "having fun"
22:51 < TheSnide> i was expecting "having a working game". but thats' a side effect
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup :P
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, it's a split between the two really
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> And I've been playing around with trying to find a 'clean' design for the next feature
22:53 < TheSnide> knowing that fact explained lots
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> tried a couple of times and got stuck ina  mire...
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> AGain, if my sole goal was 'working game', I'd probably just implement something "good enough"
22:54 < TheSnide> +1
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18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog :)
18:29 <@pmprog> Hey hey. how's things?
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Good
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> Have a good chrismas and new years?
18:29 <@pmprog> Yeah, wasn't bad thanks. How was yours?
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> alright, a bit weird as I didn't see my family...
18:30 <@pmprog> :(
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> But I'll be flying back at the end of Feb, so not like I'll never see them :P
18:30 <@pmprog> Nice
18:30 <@pmprog> How's OpenApoc?
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> alright, didn't get much of a chance to look at it over the holidays
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> but I've spent the last couple of days trying to cleanup the equipscreen and get agent equipment working
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I hope to check in at least the viewing (if not the modification) this evening
18:31 <@pmprog> Good work
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> thanks boss :)
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, istrebitel has done a lot of work
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> 'most' of the battlescape mechanics are there not
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> they just need tuning and putting together to make it play
18:57 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: i really have to look at it in 2017
19:02 <@pmprog> I'm failing in all my development :-(
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19:27 < TheSnide> pmprog: well... i have too much things on my todo list
19:31 < TheSnide> do you think that ai.cpp could be moved to some external lua code ?
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> probably
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> or $SOME_SCRIPTING_LANGUAGE at least
19:33 < TheSnide> bascially, i have a project on the backburner since .... '02 :)
19:33 < TheSnide> i was programming some bots that acted as a squad.
19:34 < TheSnide> so, i plugged them into the Q2 engine, in order to have a working virtual world.
19:35 < TheSnide> but i ended having more trouble with path finding in a full 3D world than expected
19:35 < TheSnide> so, i dropped it for a while. (14 years, and counting)
19:36 < TheSnide> -> given the relative simplicity of Oapoc, i was thinking about just reusing the battlespace, and do the same thing : have a pluggable ai
19:37 < TheSnide> then you can have 2 ai competing :)
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> sure, if they can navigate a TileMap
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> as you said, we could expose parts of that to a scripting language
19:37 < TheSnide> as the engine is quite realistic _enough_ to emulate a real squady quarrel
19:38 < TheSnide> navigation in a tilemap is *way* easier than navgiation through BSP :)
19:39 < TheSnide> i won't mind to code it in C++ at first. the main point will be first to be able to start the game directly in the battlescpae mode
19:39 < TheSnide> and have 2 AI that have each their side
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> You could create a 'save' with an active battle
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> and ./OpenApoc --Game.Load=path/to/save
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> should go straight into the save
19:40 < TheSnide> then it will reload directly in the battle ,?
19:40 <@JonnyH`Work> should do
19:40 < TheSnide> nice
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> If the AI script changes some part of the battle init step however that won't be re-run
19:41 < TheSnide> i just needs to have initial setup, righ t?
19:41 <@JonnyH`Work> If we add a 'skirmish' mode like openxcom you could also use that :P
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> All objects will be placed and equipped
19:42 < TheSnide> yeah, that's what i had in mind :)
19:42 < TheSnide> (skirmish)
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> we already have some of the baseline of that
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's not really wired up into something accessible outside the ingame UI
19:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and even then just a 'testing battlescape' ui :P
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> you can see how to simply start a battle in c++ in test_serialize.cpp
19:43 < TheSnide> yeah, looking at it right now
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> It creates a ufo VEhicle and starts an assault
19:45 < TheSnide> how do i enter that main ?
19:45 < TheSnide> oh, it create a test_serialize binary
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it's designed for a self-contained unit test
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> effectively asserting that a GameState is exactly the same after being serialized out and read in again
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> with some different states (one in a battle)
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's not really useful directly, but the code should be useful?
19:51 < TheSnide> :)
19:51 < TheSnide> have a "skirmish" binary that takes several args :)
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> we shall call it... tacp.exe
19:54 < TheSnide> :)
19:54 < TheSnide> the original did call another exe for that ?
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> yup, the battle and city were different .exes
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> same as xcom & tftd :P
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> back in the day when loading a ~3mb executable into memory was a Big Deal
19:57 < TheSnide> nice way to swap
19:57 < TheSnide> (overlay)
19:58 < TheSnide> actually, we could do it like that also, to be fair
19:58 < TheSnide> it might even be simpler for some things
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I dunno, having to serialize in/out every battlescape transition...
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> and a lot of the code will be in both exes too...
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> might make 'resource management' in the battlescape a little easier though
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> just allocate,never free :)
20:01 < TheSnide> huhuhu
20:01  * TheSnide is currently writing an caching http proxy that doesn't use any malloc/free :)
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> mmap?
20:02 < TheSnide> (same goal as you : having fun)
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Or no heap at all?
20:02 < TheSnide> no heap
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Hope you like stack overflows...
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Fixed size cache then?
20:02 < TheSnide> oh, caching is fs-based
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> so yeah, mmap then :P
20:03 < TheSnide> not even : read() + write() :)
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> into a fixed size buffer? :P
20:03 < TheSnide> yeah
20:03 < TheSnide> allocated at startup
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, 'fun' projects with arbitrary limitations can be pretty fun
20:04 < TheSnide> has to work on my anemic NAS arm box
20:04 <@pmprog> Heading back up the chat (because I've been afk), I've been trying to learn how to use Lua in one of my game projects. It's not going well so far. I'm torn between continuing to try, or just create a primitive assembly-like language to just do what the basics of what I need
20:04 <@pmprog> I'm also logging off the PC now. Might try and log on the laptop, if not, catch you later
20:04 < TheSnide> pmprog: i was thinking about lua coz it has some hype :)
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> what about it is difficult? I assume wrapping all the funcs you want to expose
20:05 <@pmprog> Well, trying to build it on Windows with a linkable .lib seemed to be my problem
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> there aresome tools to generate stuff like that from c++ classes if that's useful
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> aah, windows toolchain issues :P
20:05 < TheSnide> pmprog: at the time, i did some .so plugins in C
20:05 <@pmprog> I'll try and pop back on in a few mins
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20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Saps my motivation too, as I wanna program!
20:05 < TheSnide> for pluggable AI
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> dlsym() is so useful :P
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I once implemented a 'live' function replacement system by calling out to gcc and dlopening the result
20:07 < TheSnide> yup
20:08 < TheSnide> scripting in C \o/
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> C language is best language
20:09 < TheSnide> quite nice, indeed.
20:09 < TheSnide> but not really interesting to make big bucks :)
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Living in the bay area people give me funny looks when I say "I mostly work in C"
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Someone actually tried to get me to 'at least try a dynamically typed language'
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I can only assume he doesn't know what "device drivers" are
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> probably some microservice
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> the realise in my says he probably misheard what I do... but I like to feel superior to people somehow :)
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20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: you made it :)
20:15 < pmprog_laptop> Aye, just about :-)
20:15 < pmprog_laptop> What did I miss?
20:15 <@JonnyH`Work> not much :)
20:19 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, I've hit a really awkward point with my game. I've written the logic on who wins what in my fighting game, but I'm having a hard time trying to work out how to animate each round, and look "natural"
20:20 < pmprog_laptop> I think my current theory is to start again and rewrite a full real-time fighting engine, then rather than having a fight option matrix, just play the moves in a slot and see what happens
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> But back to the lua... I've got my a .lib file, but the linker is saying unresolved externals
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> and there's no MSVC dev downloads
20:23 < pmprog_laptop> I don't think it helps Windows is a bit buggered on this laptop. For some reason, Windows updates never succeed, so even plugging hardware in will just hang until I cancel the "check wu for drivers£
20:23 < pmprog_laptop> I wonder whether I should rebuild it
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> do what I do - just import the source :P
20:28 < pmprog_laptop> Well, I wondered about that, but if I wanted to try and sell this game, I'm not sure how the license would affect it... Hence if I could link it
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> luajit at least is the MIT license
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> AKA just ship it's COPYRIGHT file too :)
20:30 < pmprog_laptop> Oh, yeah, was just looking at that. I thought it was LGPL for some reason
20:30 < pmprog_laptop> Nice
20:34 < pmprog_laptop> Hmm, still getting unresolved externals, and I've included all the source inside the project
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> what are the syms?
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Are they part of the generated dynasm stuff?
20:36 < pmprog_laptop> 1>Source.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "void __cdecl lua_close(struct lua_State *)" (?lua_close@@YAXPAUlua_State@@@Z) referenced in function _main
20:36 < pmprog_laptop> 1>Source.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "char const * __cdecl lua_pushstring(struct lua_State *,char const *)" (?lua_pushstring@@YAPBDPAUlua_State@@PBD@Z) referenced in function _main
20:36 < pmprog_laptop> 1>Source.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "int __cdecl lua_pcallk(struct lua_State *,int,int,int,int,int (__cdecl*)(struct lua_State *,int,int))" (?lua_pcallk@@YAHPAUlua_State@@HHHHP6AH0HH@Z@Z) referenced in function _main
20:36 < pmprog_laptop> 1>Source.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "int __cdecl luaL_loadfilex(struct lua_State *,char const *,char const *)" (?luaL_loadfilex@@YAHPAUlua_State@@PBD1@Z) referenced in function _main
20:36 < pmprog_laptop> 1>Source.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "struct lua_State * __cdecl luaL_newstate(void)" (?luaL_newstate@@YAPAUlua_State@@XZ) referenced in function _main
20:36 < pmprog_laptop> 1>Source.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "int __cdecl luaopen_io(struct lua_State *)" (?luaopen_io@@YAHPAUlua_State@@@Z) referenced in function _main
20:37 < pmprog_laptop> Might just be the lua example I've put in my project is incompatible with the lua version?
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe symbol mangling? Using C symbols from a header in c++ without "extern "C""?
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, they're c++ mangled msvc symbols
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> #include "lua.hpp"
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> instead of "lua.h"
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> that wraps the includes
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> Ah that works
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/equipment-drawing.png
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> oops...
20:41 < pmprog_laptop> It doesn't appear to run the lua script (or at least I'm not getting the console output), but it compiles
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> Wicked!
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I can only assume that's sarcastic
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's a regression from what it did previously...
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20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> oh no, it's SupSuper 
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> run
20:51 < SupSuper> mwahahahaha
20:51 < pmprog_laptop> It wasn't sarcastic, I just can't remember how far you've got
20:51 < pmprog_laptop> Hey SupSuper
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> but now I could get the same amount of brokenness for agents
20:52 <@JonnyH`Work> which is a step up :P
20:53 < SupSuper> hey pmprog_laptop
20:53 < SupSuper> what did i miss
20:54 < pmprog_laptop> I'm trying to work out how to implement Lua in a C++ project, JonnyH`Work is breaking OpenApoc :-)
20:54 < pmprog_laptop> How's things with you?
20:58 < SupSuper> trying not to launch unity into the sun, same old
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> beware the space kraken
21:00 < SupSuper> i keep wanting to work on everything yet nothing really seems to hook me, the eternal struggle
21:00 < SupSuper> maybe i'm actually meant to be a gardener :p
21:00 < pmprog_laptop> I always think about trying unity, as you can code in C#, but the few times I've loaded it, I don't even know where to start
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: careful, unity c# is a rather ancient version of mono
21:01 < SupSuper> well the google-it-until-it-works approach worked for me
21:01 < SupSuper> but if that's not for you there's better approaches: https://www.udemy.com/courses/
21:02 < pmprog_laptop> I might give it another go. Is there a Unity build for Linux? or would I be limited to dev on my laptop?
21:02 < pmprog_laptop> (which is Windows)
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it's still 'experimental' on linux...
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> https://forum.unity3d.com/threads/unity-on-linux-release-notes-and-known-issues.350256/
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> but it exists
21:04 < pmprog_laptop> hmmm
21:05 < pmprog_laptop> Maybe time to check it out
21:05 < pmprog_laptop> Although I have just got Lua working!
21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
21:05 < SupSuper> i think unity on linux mostly works, you will have to face monodevelop though :p
21:06 < pmprog_laptop> I already have that monstrosity installed
21:06 < SupSuper> reportedly visual studio code also works
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH vim would work :P
21:07 < SupSuper> you probably can't debug with vim though :P
21:07 < pmprog_laptop> It's just a shame that GTK# isn't as good as WinForms (IMO). It's missing dozens of controls
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> mdb?
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I know people who prefer gtk# to winforms...
21:07 < SupSuper> *shudders*
21:08 < SupSuper> why don't they just port WPF over, that seemed fairly platform-agnostic
21:09 < pmprog_laptop> I can't get into WPF
21:09 < pmprog_laptop> Maybe it's just the designer, I don't know
21:10 < pmprog_laptop> I quite like QtCreator (and Qt), but everything I make in that looks super ugly
21:11 < SupSuper> yeah the designer is garbage :/ it's one of those things where messing with xml is a lot more sensible
21:11 < pmprog_laptop> I guess that's probably more me than Qt/QtCreator
21:11 < SupSuper> kinda like messing with html over using a WYSIWYG editor
21:12 < pmprog_laptop> I've spent so long using the WinForms tools that I can bend that however I want, and if needbe, extend it with custom controls
21:12 < SupSuper> yeah winforms is usable but probably a nightmare to port :p
21:12 < pmprog_laptop> I don't have that same experience with WPF nor Qt (although I did write some Qt controls, which seemed to work, but you have to build them as a seperate project and "install" them into QtCreator)
21:13 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, WinForms isn't great via Mono... Lots of problems
21:13 < pmprog_laptop> I have looked at projects like Eto, but they all look really cumbersome
21:14 < SupSuper> well with games i'm happy rolling my own :p
21:14 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, I'm thinking of tools (ie editors)
21:15 < SupSuper> ah yeah
21:15 < pmprog_laptop> and also non-game related projects
21:16 < SupSuper> i think WPF really excels at editors because of all the magical databinding and templating. but i can understand the learning curve after years of using winforms. it's kinda like git, you just have to forget everything until it clicks
21:17 < SupSuper> finding out everything else sucks also helps :p
21:18 < pmprog_laptop> lol. WOw, I've apparently been using WinForms for 14 years(ish)!!!
21:18 < pmprog_laptop> No wonder I'm struck in history
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> what was I doing 14 years ago...
21:19 < SupSuper> i've only used the .NET version of winforms, which i imagine is a lot more tolerable
21:19 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah .NET WinForms is actually really good. I know Microsoft get a lot of hate, but WinForms and .NET IMO are bloody brilliant
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> my limited exposure to c# actually makes me quite like it..
21:20 < SupSuper> scary isn't it
21:20 < pmprog_laptop> C# is nice... Although I'm stuck with VB.NET at work; but in a way I don't mind.
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I dunno, it's like the looked at Java and cleaned it up...
21:21 < pmprog_laptop> I must admit, I keep looking at projects like Tao and SDL#
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> tao is nasty
21:21 < SupSuper> oh don't get me wrong, i agree
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> ancient binding to an api really not designed for c#'s model...
21:21 < SupSuper> it's just a shame languages come down to religious wars
21:21 < SupSuper> or platform wars :p
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> except for macs. Everyone hates obj-c
21:22 < SupSuper> and xcode
21:22 < pmprog_laptop> If Mono's implementation of WinForms was up to scratch, I'd be set for life.
21:23 < pmprog_laptop> If you look at my Github stars, there's about a dozen "cross platform .net UI frameworks"
21:23 < pmprog_laptop> Not sure I've really clicked with any of them
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> are any of them any good?
21:23 < pmprog_laptop> I don't think I've tried them all, but some of them are confusing
21:23 < pmprog_laptop> Eto was particularly confusing
21:24 < pmprog_laptop> The designer was awful, it creates a solution with multiple projects for unknown reasons
21:24 < pmprog_laptop> https://github.com/AvaloniaUI/Avalonia
21:25 < pmprog_laptop> This kinda looks promising, but not really tried it
21:26 < pmprog_laptop> Though, again, the designer doesn't look very intuitive (to me)
21:26 < pmprog_laptop> I'm afraid I really like drag/drop designers. Because I'll dump controls on, then rearrange them as I neaten things up
21:26 < pmprog_laptop> I feel you kinda lose that when you're xml/xaml-ing
21:27 < pmprog_laptop> In case you're interested in other options:
21:27 < pmprog_laptop> https://github.com/quozd/awesome-dotnet#gui
21:28 < pmprog_laptop> At work, we also purchased Infragistics controls, but IIRC they don't work under Mono
21:28 < pmprog_laptop> (well, the WinForms ones)
21:29 < pmprog_laptop> I can't remember the other commercial control library I've used is called now, so can't check their mono support
21:30 < pmprog_laptop> But yeah, I remember when Mono/MonoDevelop came out, and I was thinking I could just load my projects from my Windows machine and keep working... Ho ho ho... Nope
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> off for lunch, back in a bit
21:31 < pmprog_laptop> I have thought about trying to polish up that Forms library that's still kinda in OpenApoc, and maybe just use something like SDL/Allegro to make cross platform apps, and ditch normal "guis"
21:31 < pmprog_laptop> enjoy
21:32 < pmprog_laptop> Maybe C# and SDL#, then could make it managed code as well
21:41 < SupSuper> i've never really liked managed-wrappers, they never really feel right
21:41 < SupSuper> xna was really good but i don't think it's ever making a comeback :/
21:42 < pmprog_laptop> Did you ever try MonoGame?
21:42 < pmprog_laptop> I'm the same with regards to managed-wrappers
21:43 < SupSuper> yeah monogame was not that great
21:43 < pmprog_laptop> I remember trying XNA once, and I gave up
21:44 < SupSuper> the problem is xna was specifically designed to be a 360/windows api, and monogame very badly tried to repurpose that api cross-platform
21:45 < SupSuper> so it has a lot of weird baggage like the content pipeline and authoring tools. i think it's slowly improving now they that've moved to sdl# but ehhhhhh
21:45 < pmprog_laptop> I half wonder if I get too caught up in the whole cross-platform thing. But then, my current game I think would be quite playable on a PC (Win or Linux) and an Android phone (being turn-based)
21:45 < SupSuper> i'd just rather see something proper managed if i'm gonna use managed, you know? like libgdx for java is pretty good
21:45 < pmprog_laptop> If they're just using SDL#, I'd probably skip MonoGame and just use SDL# too
21:46 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, but I'm not sure how you'd really create a GL window (which by it's nature is unmanaged) without some sort of wrapper
21:46 < pmprog_laptop> Believe me, if I could just go straight into C# and write a game, I think I'd have a higher success rate
21:46 < SupSuper> sure there has to be some native core, just don't expose it to the user you know?
21:47 < SupSuper> like sdl# still has all the ugly c-pointers and int returns and stuff like that
21:47 < pmprog_laptop> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/536065/using-opengl-with-c
21:47 < SupSuper> unity would be fine... if it wasn't for all the baggage :p
21:47 < pmprog_laptop> SharpGL and Tao are mentioned
21:48 < SupSuper> *shudders*
21:48 < pmprog_laptop> I got the latest game dev bundle from Humble... Might write all my games in Pico8 :D
21:49 < pmprog_laptop> SharpGL looks bareboned
21:49 < pmprog_laptop> https://www.codeproject.com/Articles/749543/OpenGL-in-NET-Getting-Started
21:49 < pmprog_laptop> Maybe a bit too much for my liking
21:49 < pmprog_laptop> I'd just like a managed framebuffer and bitblt functions :-)
21:49 < SupSuper> yeah
21:50 < SupSuper> your best bet is probably wrapping sdl#
21:50 < pmprog_laptop> Have you ever looked at Rust?
21:50 < SupSuper> or using some code-only unity like futile
21:50 < SupSuper> nope, i've heard good things but never tried it
21:51 < pmprog_laptop> It's supposed to be "safe", though not-managed. Looks a bit complicated to me though
21:51 < pmprog_laptop> Oh? What's futile?
21:52  * pmprog_laptop goes a-searching
21:52 < SupSuper> it's a "wrapper" that lets you use unity all code-like: https://github.com/MattRix/Futile
21:52 < SupSuper> i mean, you can use unity all code-like by default. but futile exposes a whole xna-esque api for it, with all your typical update/blit stuff
21:53 < SupSuper> only good for 2d though :p
21:53 < pmprog_laptop> Boom - Starred repo :-)
21:53 < pmprog_laptop> Meh, I only really do 2D games... I have a hard enough time getting graphics for 2D, never mind 3D
21:54 < pmprog_laptop> That's one thing that's slowing down my current game, is do I try and hire an artist, and how much to spend? and should I implement the game with ripped compyrighted sprites first?
21:55 < pmprog_laptop> Futile looks quite good from the YT vid
21:56 < SupSuper> free assets are probably the way to go until you're sure an artist will pay off. i personally find programmer art really demotivating :p
21:56 < SupSuper> some of the humble game bundles have included assets
21:58 < pmprog_laptop> Trouble is, I've really struggled to find any fighter graphics. Though I am using ripped ones from a NeoGeo Pocket fighter
21:59 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, maybe I should wait until I've got the whole game done with them, then look for an artist
22:00 < SupSuper> fighters are definitely a tough sell, what with their absurd animation requirements
22:02 < pmprog_laptop> Depends, if you look at sprite rips from NeoGeo Pocket fighters, they aren't that bad. And with the way I've designed this game, there's not millions of moves
22:03 < pmprog_laptop> I'm considering removing my standard win matrix and writing a full real-time fighting engine, then using the "animator" to actually work out who wins each round
22:03 < pmprog_laptop> It also means I could make a real-time fight an option in my game
22:04 < pmprog_laptop> So it can be played like Street Fighter, but still has it's "unique selling point"
22:05 < SupSuper> win matrix?
22:06 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, basically there's a set number of moves that you can pick from, and I've precalculated who wins
22:06 < pmprog_laptop> So, for example, I pick "Normal Attack" and you pick "Block", Neither takes any damage
22:06 < pmprog_laptop> But if we both pick "Normal Attack" we both take damage
22:06 < SupSuper> ah a turn-based fighter
22:07 < pmprog_laptop> Yep... Think it couple be pretty fun. But it's quite confusing when you can't see any animation
22:08 < pmprog_laptop> Also, I was thinking characters could have special moves, but that complicates how damage is dealt, hence why I was thinking about a full real-time fighter to actually play out the battle
22:08 < pmprog_laptop> It also means you could watch the fight as a full "montage" at the end when somebody has won
22:09 < pmprog_laptop> If I'm going to rewrite though, do I consider starting in Unity or something and make Android an option, because I think the turnbased will play nicely on android
22:09 < pmprog_laptop> (and realtime if you use b/t controller too I guess)
22:11 < SupSuper> well that is the big upside of unity, you can shit stuff out on any platform with the push of a button
22:11 < SupSuper> unless it's an apple platform, because apple hates your guts :p
22:13 < SupSuper> but hey it even does webgl now and it's kinda sorta reliable??
22:13 < pmprog_laptop> I'm not bothered about Apple ;-)
22:14 < pmprog_laptop> Might be worth trying Unity out, especially with that Futile.
22:14 < pmprog_laptop> Thanks for the heads up
22:15 < SupSuper> just be ready that everything you learn about Futile is useless for actual Unity, which might make googling tricky :p
22:16 < pmprog_laptop> lol
22:17 < pmprog_laptop> Hmmmmm, if I try and sell my game, will have to consider the license implications of Unity
22:17 < pmprog_laptop> I guess I'm a way off that yet
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22:18 < pmprog_laptop> Might even, if I get chance, work out how to use SDL or Allegro with Android, then I can just keep working as I am
22:18 < pmprog_laptop> I guess will just have to try and play around and see what feels comfortable
22:18 < pmprog_laptop> (Probably nothing)
22:18 < SupSuper> you can use unity for free until you reach $100k annual revenue :p
22:19 < pmprog_laptop> What if you made the game using personal, then it sold $150k worth? the game is already made
22:20 < SupSuper> i doubt that concerns lawyers
22:22 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, but why would you pay a license if you're not "developing" any more... Say you were doing a one hit
22:22 < pmprog_laptop> Will have to find out another day
22:22 < pmprog_laptop> Have to go now
22:23 < pmprog_laptop> Take care, and see you soon
22:23 < SupSuper> cya
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23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I dunno if I'll ever 'sell' a game
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Seems to imply an amount of support I'm not willing to offer on my half-baked unreleased attempts :P
23:06 < SupSuper> seems like a high bar doesn't it :p
23:06 < SupSuper> i've been wondering if patreon gamedev is something sustainable
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> paetron is a treadmill of 'you can never back off'
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise people get bitchy about how they got more last month...
23:10 < SupSuper> sounds like every other gamedev funding method
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it's something I'd want to do for 'fun' not money
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I've heard horror stories in the AAA industry...
23:20 < SupSuper> sure, but it's hard to have 'fun' when you're starving to death :p
23:35 < SupSuper> the idea is less "make games for money" more "make games for fun without a job getting in the way"?
23:35 < SupSuper> which might be the same thing... but don't tell anyone
23:36 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug*
23:36 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH if I keep my savings going I'd probably be able to 'retire' ina  few years
23:36 <@JonnyH`Work> might be fun, I could 'sell' games with no requirements of earning a living from it
23:38 < SupSuper> are you 50 or something?
23:38 <@JonnyH`Work> ..28?
23:38 < SupSuper> man that's a lot of savings
23:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Dunno if it's a 'lot'
23:39 <@JonnyH`Work> but I think it's a result of being paid $SILLY
23:39 <@JonnyH`Work> and not spending more than when I was back in the UK :P
23:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Mostly as I see the bay area as a bubble, so don't expect it to last :P
23:41 <@JonnyH`Work> like I clearly have the cheapest car in the car park and whatnot :P
23:42 < SupSuper> how can you even drive in the bay area :P
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> you can't not...
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> the public transport is non-existant
23:42 < SupSuper> i thought it was all ubers and google buses
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> nope
23:43 < SupSuper> i wonder if i can get $SILLY written on my contract
23:43 <@JonnyH`Work> ubers are more taxis, you wouldn't be able to use one every day for getting to work...
23:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, but then it'll expand the variable named "SILLY"
23:44 <@JonnyH`Work> which is unset, so it'll end up coercing to '0'...
23:44 < SupSuper> maybe i'll get lucky and it'll be undefined
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH I have no idea what's going on over here, enough of my coworkers constantly moan about how they don't have money for stuff
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> and I know they're paid more than me...
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> It'll probably turn out I've not been paying tax for years or something...
23:45 < SupSuper> do you actually live in the bay area? that's supposedly impossible
23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, my rent is a huge proportion of my income
23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> ~3x more than when I was in the UK
23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> and then close enough to london to be higher than average there too
23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> (but the place here is a bit larger, so it's not quite apples:apples
23:46 < SupSuper> you sure like pricey places :p
23:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm tempted to get a housemate or something to get even more savings rate :)
23:47 < SupSuper> my current saving strategy is "live with my parents", seems to be working so far??
23:48 <@JonnyH`Work> The amount I'm saving is still mmuch higher in absolute terms than if I'd have stayed in the north east of England
23:48 <@JonnyH`Work> so if I 'retire' I will certainly leave the bay area
23:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Or more likely cut down to part time or something
23:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't really like it here, as a community or whatever
23:48 < SupSuper> yeah why would you voluntarily live there :p unless you like the web of contacts or something
23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe if you were *in* SF
23:53 <@JonnyH`Work> today on "JonnyH's Problems"
23:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I had a haircut and now my head is cold
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18:36 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Away: bah. i prefer to have a hat than long hair ;)
18:38 < TheSnide> i have less and less hair anyway ;)
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18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> ...huh?
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, haircut :P
18:39 < TheSnide> :-)
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13:40 < pmprog_work> JonnyH`Away, just in case anyone asks later, my whole pmprog domain was made unavailable (looks like somebody zero'd all the permissions on the site), so that's why the forum etc. aren't available.
13:40 < pmprog_work> Should hopefully be back online by the time you come online
13:41 < pmprog_work> I'm sure this has happened once before. They're not very forthcoming when they've resolved the issue, just the "It's now fixed"
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15:39 < kkmic> Maybe it's time to change the host
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20:07 < pmprog_laptop> Hi kids
20:08 < SupSuper> hey pmprog_laptop
20:08 < pmprog_laptop> Hiya SupSuper, how's things?
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20:14 < SupSuper> cold, some days i wish i worked from home :p
20:15 < pmprog_laptop> We're supposed to be getting an arctic blizzard this week
20:19 < SupSuper> yeah it's not looking good for europe
20:20 < pmprog_laptop> No doubt they'll blame Brexit
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> It's almost a shame we can't hibernate over winter
20:21 < SupSuper> lol
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> It's been pretty miserable here too recently
20:26 < pmprog_laptop> Hi JonnyH`Work
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog :)
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> It's only 15 degrees out right now
20:26 <@JonnyH`Work> and cloudy :(
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> it was even colder last week - I actually had to put the heating on!
20:28 < pmprog_laptop> It's warmed up a bit here the last few days. Over Christmas was having to de-ice the car
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> There was actually a frost here one morning!
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> it went down to nearly -2!
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> people were panicking
20:29 < pmprog_laptop> lol
20:29 < SupSuper> yeah it's been near-zero here recently which is super unusual
20:29 < SupSuper> celsius :p
20:30 < pmprog_laptop> We've regularly been sub-zero... You'd think that the UK would at least be somewhat prepared... but oh no
20:30 < SupSuper> i remember the panic attack last time you guys saw snow
20:31 < pmprog_laptop> To be honest, I think we're kind of "Oh? Is it cold enough to call it a snow day so I can ring up and say I can't get out of my driveway?"
20:31 < SupSuper> i wish i could do that
20:32 < pmprog_laptop> It's even funnier, a good few years ago, somebody rang in during the heavy snow saying they couldn't make it in... Despite the fact they could walk it in 5 minutes!
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> It's almost like that when it rains over here
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Nobody knows how to drive in it :)
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> It's like the south of england after 1/8th of a inch of snow ;)
20:33 < pmprog_laptop> Do any southeners know how to drive? ;-)
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess it's just a matter of experience - if it rains heavily maybe 2 days a year you just don't have time to practice :P
20:34 < pmprog_laptop> True
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> and southerners are objectively worse at everything :P
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> As someone born and bred in the northern wastelands known as the "Midlands" :P
20:42 < Kaljakoppa> (@JonnyH`Work) it went down to nearly -2!
20:42 < Kaljakoppa> -2C
20:42 < Kaljakoppa> At -30C we Finnish still let our babies sleep their naps outside
20:43 < pmprog_laptop> lol
20:43 < Kaljakoppa> At -50C I'll consider wearing a T-shirt when going out
20:43 < Kaljakoppa> But yeah the first statement is true
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Kaljakoppa: Not denying people are soft over here :P
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> It's always amusing when flying back to the UK, landing in the driving rain
20:45 < Kaljakoppa> We are also becoming soft
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> and all the CA holidaymakers shivering in their shorts and sandles
20:45 < Kaljakoppa> This winter, we had 3 days with -20C
20:45 < Kaljakoppa> Nowadays just 0C
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> *global warming*
20:45 < Kaljakoppa> Wet, dark and miserable
20:45 < Kaljakoppa> Yeah
20:46 < pmprog_laptop> That's crazy
20:47 < pmprog_laptop> Right, giving up on today, heading to bed. G'night
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> night
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21:28 < SupSuper> why does travis hate me
21:28 < SupSuper> my build has been pending for an hour
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> osx?
21:29 < SupSuper> yeah: https://travis-ci.org/SupSuper/OpenXcom/builds/190380195
21:29 < SupSuper> is this what i get for not paying? :p
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> they take forever, yeah...
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> you *do* have 8 osx builds alone :P
21:31 < SupSuper> it works for linux!
21:32 < SupSuper> we could probably just tone it down to debug builds... doubt debug/release makes a difference in compiler errors
21:32 <@JonnyH`Work> -DNDEBUG is probably the only difference..
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Though gcc does have some warning that only get enabled if you have -Osomething
21:33 <@JonnyH`Work> like dead-code detection etc.
21:34 < SupSuper> maybe only keep the maximum warnings then? pretty sure cmake uses -Wall by default...
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> no, cmake doesn't add any -Wflags by default
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> If I was you I'd just keep Release EXTRA_WARNINGS
21:35 < SupSuper> i mean our makefiles use -Wall :p
21:36 < SupSuper> aren't debug the fastest to build though?
21:36 <@JonnyH`Work> by ~20 seconds? :P
21:38 < SupSuper> yeah i guess if we're going by "it should fail if any of these trip", Release EXTRA_WARNINGS is the common denominator
21:39 < SupSuper> we don't actually need to know which configuration fails since we can just check the logs :p
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the only 'failures' I've seen taht don't get picked up are bad assert() calls
21:41 < SupSuper> yeah i'll probably keep Debug/Release, that's still like half the tests
21:42 < SupSuper> on addition of testing on msvc and mingw, that's pretty thorough :p
21:42 < SupSuper> you would think mingw would either match msvc or gcc, but noooooooooooooooo
21:42 < SupSuper> worst of both worlds
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I also have a 'sanitize' build, but that's only useful if you actually run stuff
21:42 < SupSuper> yeah we already have the nightly builder :p
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> unless you want to start writing some tests
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> if there's anything useful that's easily test-able of course :P
21:49 < SupSuper> 1h30min now
21:50 < SupSuper> i guess the osx builds have some restrictions since they don't seem to parallelize well
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess the machines they use on osx are pretty slow too..
22:00 < SupSuper> oh nice, resharper finally fixed their doxygen support: http://i.imgur.com/oBuOOnC.png
22:00 < SupSuper> all those years of using doxygen finally paid off!
22:01 <@JonnyH`Work> just in time for doxygen to be deprecated :P
22:01 < SupSuper> by what?
22:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably some xml-based abomination
22:02 < SupSuper> so... doxygen? :p
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08:15 < TheSnide> bah, doxygen is quite efficient at what it does
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17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> TheSnide: And what it does it make the code unreadable :P
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH I am somewhat tempted to start using *some* standard documentation format in openapoc
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> but my experience with doxygen was with an anally 'everything *must* have every tag filled', which just made things worse
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> even if it's some single-use well-named variable or inline function...
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19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> all the drains are backed up in our office -_-
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> This is what happens when it actually rains in CA
19:56 < SupSuper> lol
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19:16 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: patxhing doxy to be sane ?
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> A lot of the problems I have with doxygen are more user-issues than the tool itself :)
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> having a 'well defined' set of usage guidelines would likely be needed to make it actually useful too
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> and I don't really know what 'good' doxygen use looks like
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> only bad :P
19:34 < TheSnide> huhu
19:35 < TheSnide> i prefer readable code than documented code, to be fair
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19:44 <@JonnyH`Work>  \return The returned value
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> ^^^ not useful :P
19:46 < TheSnide> exactly
19:46  * TheSnide writes code without any comment.
19:47 < TheSnide> as, if comments are needed, the code isn't well written
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20:25  * pmprog_laptop peeks round the corner
20:26  * SupSuper raises his eyebrow
20:27  * pmprog_laptop pokes SupSuper in the eye
20:27 < pmprog_laptop> I don't know why I did that
20:27 < SupSuper> owwwwwwwwww
20:28 < pmprog_laptop> How's it going?
20:36 < SupSuper> alright. hoping to get back to development this year :p
20:37 < pmprog_laptop> Cool. I just finished my prototype for my turn-based fighting... and lost the first game to my wife :-)
20:37 < SupSuper> success!
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, would like to try it out with a few more people, but I kinda need to add netplay in for that
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20:49 < pmprog_laptop> Hello? Am I back?
20:49 < SupSuper> yes
20:49 < pmprog_laptop> Whooo, no idea why my internet connection died
20:55 < pmprog_laptop> Dya think I should go TCP or just use a PHP/MySQL approach to the game? It's turn-based, so timing isn't super important
20:57 < pmprog_laptop> TCP means anyone can act as a server and you don't need "internet". Might just do that
20:57 < SupSuper> on the other hand PHP/MySQL means anyone can play it straight from their browser
20:58 < SupSuper> but i wouldn't recommend PHP/MySQL for development sanity :p
21:00 < pmprog_laptop> They couldn't play it in their browser, as the game is written in C++/Allegro :-)
21:00 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, my current website is PHP (well, kind of)
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21:05 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog
21:05 < pmprog_laptop> Hiya JonnyH`Work
21:06 < SupSuper> oh you mean just for the server? yeah then sticking close to the client might be useful
21:07 < pmprog_laptop> It would mean that if you played over the internet, one player would need to port forward though
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> does allegro work with emscripten?
21:07 < pmprog_laptop> No idea
21:08 < pmprog_laptop> There is a js version of Allegro 4, but I'm using Allegro 5
21:09 < pmprog_laptop> and also, javascript... ugh
21:09 < SupSuper> i remember emscripten had sdl1.2 built in, i wonder if they support sdl2 now
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, but it's an IR
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> it's built with clang from c++
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> you never see the javascript yourself
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> well, ideally not at least
21:10 < pmprog_laptop> I must admit, I don't see my webbrowser as a gaming platform
21:10 < pmprog_laptop> ever
21:10 < SupSuper> same
21:10 < pmprog_laptop> On top of all the firefox UI bloat, then there's keyboard focus
21:10 < SupSuper> but it's great when you just need to get people to play your thing
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC someone has put some of dosbox through that
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> so I guess it must have *some* kind of keyboard focus...
21:11 < SupSuper> yeah i think archive.org has emscripten versions of all the emulators
21:12 < pmprog_laptop> yeah, but I don't know how reliable it is. Sometimes when I'm on a YouTube page I use the up/down arrows, and rather than scrolling the comments, it changes the volume on the video
21:13 < pmprog_laptop> Also, I run NoScript :)
21:13 < SupSuper> oh you're one of those :p
21:13 < pmprog_laptop> Although it's annoying that you have to disable it nearly every-frigging-where
21:13 < pmprog_laptop> I am...
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I no longer run noscript, but I set the strictest cross-domain info policies in ghostory etc.
21:14 < pmprog_laptop> I sometimes wonder if I should give up on NoScript. It gives me a lot of headaches
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> which still breaks half the websites :)
21:14 < pmprog_laptop> I think it's just the web that's broken
21:14 < pmprog_laptop> Those sites that directly link jquery from a different server
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Huh, someone on RPS said they played xcom: UFO Defence at ~20 fps on a little intel atom box
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Wonder if that was dosbox or openxcom...
21:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Or a typo and they meant the new xcom...
21:15 < pmprog_laptop> Or set their resolution to 240x120
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> XCOM: Enemy Unknown (the 'new' xcom1) would probably work pretty well on new 'low power ' hardware
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> but they said "UFO Defence"
21:24 < pmprog_laptop> Bah, I just recorded me playing my game but for some reason OBS only recorded a black screen when it started
21:30 < pmprog_laptop> Want to see the prototype in play?
21:33 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: linking jquery & co. from a separate cdn rather than self-hosting is a lot faster
21:34 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, but then what's to stop a XSS, or what if jquery became compromised?
21:35 < pmprog_laptop> TBH, I hate the amount of scripts used on the web these days
21:35 < pmprog_laptop> Give me back static pages, or at least server-side rendered
21:35 < pmprog_laptop> (not literal graphic rendering)
21:38 < SupSuper> tbf it's probably much easier to compromise a random website than a dedicated cdn
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I've seen people use google's hosted js library versions
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> as they're also likely cached
21:40 < pmprog_laptop> True. It is quite scary how many different sites some sites use for scripts though
21:40 < SupSuper> it's fine to hate the web as it is, but there's plenty of good reasons why things are the way they are
21:41 < SupSuper> except javascript, there's no good reason for javascript :p
21:41 < pmprog_laptop> :)
21:41 < pmprog_laptop> I guess I just like things in packages, all together
21:41 < pmprog_laptop> It bugs me that javascript is able to read my phone number on my mobile browser
21:41 < pmprog_laptop> I really don't want it doing that
21:42 < pmprog_laptop> Because then any website you go on could just get your number
21:42 < pmprog_laptop> Maybe I'm too suspicious, but rather than than too careless
21:43 < pmprog_laptop> To be fair too, there aren't that many websites I visit any more
21:44 < SupSuper> well until you reach dad levels of manually validating every cookie and script that takes a whiff at your browser, i think you're fine
21:45 < pmprog_laptop> I have "Self destructing Cookies", they're deleted after the tab is shut (or when I close the browser), unless they're a particular site I've whitelisted
21:46 < pmprog_laptop> https://youtu.be/MoRxaQwjX1c
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> nice :)
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> who'd you steal the sprites from?
21:48 < pmprog_laptop> NeoGeo Pocket
21:49 < pmprog_laptop> Think SNK Vs Capcom: Match of the Millenium
21:49 < pmprog_laptop> I'm now at a point, do I consider trying to get some proper graphics
21:50 < pmprog_laptop> Though I guess I could do with getting more people to try it out, and maybe add some basic AI
21:55 < pmprog_laptop> Bed time now. Am interested to know what you think of the concept though. G'night
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21:56 < SupSuper> could use some footnotes, kinda hectic to follow what's going on
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> 'turn based fighter' feels weird to me
21:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably won't be able to tell if it works until I actually play it hands-on
21:58 < SupSuper> it's not exactly a new concept (see: every f2p fighting game dating back to flash), so yeah need to know what hooks make it stand out
22:14 < TheSnide> will you implement action points ?
22:14 < TheSnide> ... and simultaneous turns.
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume turns are simultaneous?
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> Otherwise you'll always wait to see what the other guy will do?
22:15 < TheSnide> com
22:15 < TheSnide> as in xcom
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe :P
22:16 < TheSnide> i mean, you will see. you have to counter. and given game mechanics you can roll dice to do chance of dogde
22:16 < TheSnide> oh, an rpg ;)
22:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Fighting-game RPG
22:21 < SupSuper> where's the crafting
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> cool new bandannas? Fist wrappings +1?
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07:59 < TheSnide> that would be intersting to have +10% SPD amulet
08:02 < TheSnide> ... which reminds me of OMF
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19:52 < pmprog_laptop> Morning
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> hey
19:57 < SupSuper> heya
20:03 < pmprog_laptop> How's everyone today?
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> alright. Struggling with buying a new car
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> vs not actually needing a new car :)
20:05 < SupSuper> how do you expect to last in the us with that attitude :p
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> "new" is misleading actually, it's for an 'old banger' race series :P
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20:08 < pmprog_laptop> you banger race? neat
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> well, somewhere in between
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm lookinga t a late-2000s focus
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> still few $thousand
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> but not 'new' :P
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's also not the $500 specials they sometimes do
20:28 < SupSuper> "We’re excited to announce that Trello is being acquired by Atlassian."
20:28 < SupSuper> the horror
20:29 < pmprog_laptop> lol. Never heard of them
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> JIRA? Lucky...
20:29 < SupSuper> atlassian are the enterprise kings
20:30 < SupSuper> JIRA / Confluence / HipChat / SourceTree / BitBucket / etc
20:30 < pmprog_laptop> Heard of BitBucket
20:30 < pmprog_laptop> None of the others though
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> again, lucky :)
20:31 < pmprog_laptop> Did Marmalade just get bought out too. I got a weird email from them (even though I've never successfully done anything with Marmalade)
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> marmalade has been brought out?
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> What will our local women's register sell to pay for the village hall costs?
20:33 < pmprog_laptop> hehe, not *that* marmalade :P
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> https://marmaladegamestudio.com/tech/
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> Hmmm, somethings definately changed on their site
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> I can't even seem to download the SDK any more
20:37 < SupSuper> that is the most web 2.0 design i've seen
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: No, it's lacking the endless-scroll causing new parts of the page to load
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> lol
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> It's so very true
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> What really bugs me are those webpages that play a whole frigging video in the background
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> my number one pet hate is sites that do all navigation using weird javascript loading stuff
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> so it breaks the back button, and you can never get to the same page ever again
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> Totally agree
20:43 < pmprog_laptop> I think scripts are totally overused in the modern web
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> see: the horror that is arm's documentation site...
21:19 < pmprog_laptop> I'm off. Take it easy
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21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> night
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20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmporg
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog...
20:32 < pmprog_laptop> Morning
20:32 < pmprog_laptop> How's tricks?
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> alright, having a good laugh about the new nintendo announcement ;)
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> hows things in rainy no-longer-part-of-the-common-market England?
20:48 < pmprog_laptop> Nintendo announcement? Not heard it
20:48 < pmprog_laptop> Meh, it's same old here
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> a new cant-decide-if-its-a-console-or-tablet 'Switch'
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> and clearly if they would have gone for our RTU offering it would have been much better ;)
20:49 < pmprog_laptop> Is that not what the Wii U did?
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> it's slightly more portable than the wiiu
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> instead of the handheld screen just streaming, all the processing is in that too
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can take it on the train or whatever
20:50 <@JonnyH`Work> but at like 1/3 the speed of 'docked' mode and 2.5 hour battery life ingame
20:51 <@JonnyH`Work> (It may end up being a success, but I just don't seem to "get" the point)
20:52 < pmprog_laptop> Sounds like they'd be better with a Pandora/Pyra
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> or stick a controller grip to an ipad
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> though it'll still be a fair bit faster than a pyea, even in 'portable' mode
20:54 < SupSuper> it's less console-or-tablet more console-or-ds
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> for more than a new ps4 + game bundle too...
20:54 < SupSuper> in that case it makes more sense, the ds line has never been a powerhouse
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's too big just to drop in my bag
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I have a 3ds and it's good for that, if I'm going up to SF or something and the hour train journey each way gets pretty dull
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> but a 7" tablet + contoller attachments isn't anywhere near as convenient
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> and everyone here who would be interested 'already' has an ipad or something
21:03 < pmprog_laptop> Hmmm, doesn't sound very interesting to me... And to be fair, there's only a couple of games for the Wii that I miss, the main one being Mario Strikers. I've not seen any other game on any platform like that
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> we played the *crap* out of mario kart in the wii
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> but there wasn't any real need to update to the wiiu, or I guess the next one
21:04 < pmprog_laptop> yeah, I enjoyed that too
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> and at $70 per controller it'll be pricey to bring your mates round...
21:09 < pmprog_laptop> wow
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Though it splits in half? MAybe most multiplayer games can be played on half a controller?
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> But it doesn't look comfortable
21:17 < pmprog_laptop> Sounds all a bit odd to me
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17:55 < TheSnide> i'd like to find something like death rally on android
17:55 < TheSnide> multiplayer with multiple controller
17:55 < TheSnide> instead of network
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> can't think of anything off the top of my head
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> most android games are focused on being run on personal devices...
17:56 < TheSnide> yup
17:59 < TheSnide> let's make one ! #famousLastWords
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> There might be a reason why they're not popular :P
18:08 < TheSnide> huhu
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> no reason why you can't attach multiple bluetooth controllers to an android tablet
18:09 < TheSnide> ibstill.have soooo many other things.that i already started
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18:18 < TheSnide> i know that's how i use snes emulator ;(
18:18 < TheSnide> ;)
18:20 < frumple> hello. there is a death rally remake, and it's pretty decent as far as remakes go, but the original is still best.
18:21 < frumple> could you run dosbox on android and if not, why not?
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06:04 < TheSnide> frumple: well. that one i do, but i'd like native ;)
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19:41 <@JonnyH> hey there pmprog
19:42 < pmprog_laptop> Morning. How's things?
19:42 <@JonnyH> not great, had a few family things over the weekend :(
19:42 <@JonnyH> But I guess these things happen
19:42 < pmprog_laptop> Sorry to hear :-(
19:42 <@JonnyH> And yourself? Got any further with turn-based fighting games?
19:44 < TheSnide> "turn-based fighting games" ? .... pokemon ?
19:44 < TheSnide> :)
19:45 < pmprog_laptop> I have a prototype for local play, and I met an old friend who'se offered to do art...
19:45 < pmprog_laptop> Though after spending a few hours in the pub, I think we came out with a different game plan
19:45 < pmprog_laptop> @TheSnide, not quite like that :)
19:45 < pmprog_laptop> Did you see the vid?
19:47 < pmprog_laptop> I am now in the "Do I consider writing a new framework in SDL 1.2 or SDL 2.0, or continue with my Allegro framework?"
19:56 <@JonnyH> Probably doesn't make much of a difference at the end of the day
19:56 <@JonnyH> starting with allegro 5.2 (has that been released? Or a 5.1.whatever dev version) would be cool
19:56 <@JonnyH> or SDL@
19:56 <@JonnyH> SDL2...
19:57 <@JonnyH> I wouldn't use sdl1 at this point
19:57 < pmprog_laptop> Yes, A5.2 has been released, I think
19:57 <@JonnyH> Unless you *need* VAX support
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> No... I keep thinking about supporting the Pandora, but I think I should just drop that as a dead donkey.
19:58 <@JonnyH> doesn't the pandy have a sdl2 port?
20:01 < pmprog_laptop> I think so, but I'm not sure what it's like. petitSeb sometimes leaves his stuff a bit half-arsed
20:01 <@JonnyH> TBH the pandy feels a bit 'half arsed' :P
20:01 < pmprog_laptop> True
20:01 <@JonnyH> no omapdrm integration
20:01 <@JonnyH> Only nullws supported with gles
20:02 < pmprog_laptop> but to use Allegro on the pandy, I have to sigterm at the end, otherwise the screen is locked in gles
20:02 <@JonnyH> hopefully stuff we can improve pn for the pyra though
20:04 < pmprog_laptop> I'm certainly hoping so...
20:04 <@JonnyH> Probably not at release
20:04 <@JonnyH> I've tried to give all the info for how to write a dri3 wsegl module
20:04 <@JonnyH> but I doubt anyone will get around to it
20:05 <@JonnyH> at least until I get a pyra to play with :)
20:05 < pmprog_laptop> Knowing that you're still interested in it gives me hope... I must admit, I'm half thinking I should have held off the pre-order until at least the first batch had been produced
20:09 <@JonnyH> I will have to be *really* careful with ip though
20:09 < pmprog_laptop> Esp as there's a few new devices out there like the GPD-WIN
20:09 <@JonnyH> Don't want to use a non-public reference for wsegl
20:09 <@JonnyH> Hence me trying to 'encourage' someone else to write it, and offer documentation and support rather than actual code...
20:11 < pmprog_laptop> I'd love to offer and get more involved, but I have enough trouble with time, and I don't even know what a dri3 wsegl thing is, so that'd require learning as well as just coding
20:12 <@JonnyH> yeah, knowing something about omapdss and how drm manages buffers would likely be 'required' :P
20:12 <@JonnyH> My biggest worry is that the public references we've found will not be enough to get a working module
20:12 <@JonnyH> at which point I'd prety much be stuffed
20:13 <@JonnyH> though I *think* zmatt found enough headers to do what we need
20:16 < pmprog_laptop> Cool
20:20 < pmprog_laptop> Hmmm, if I moved up Allegro 5.2, how would the headers work on Linux?
20:21 <@JonnyH> Not sure what you mean?
20:21 <@JonnyH> You mean 'what is the header path if I install the distro package'?
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> Well, when you build and "make install", it copies the headers to /usr/include/allegro (for example), but that'll currently have the 5.1.18 headers in
20:22 < pmprog_laptop> Not sure there's a distro package for Allegro 5.2 yet (at least in my Mint install, which is based off Ubunto 14.04
20:22 <@JonnyH> I think 5.2 is backward compatible with 5.x
20:23 <@JonnyH> But normally what the package *should* do is install it to /prefix/include/allegro-version
20:23 <@JonnyH> and set that path up in the pkgconfig files
20:25 < pmprog_laptop> Bah, that's the problem with Linux some times (for me)... Perhaps I shouldn't have installed them and just reference my build folders. That's what I do on Windows, and it's nice and easy to shift version
20:25 < pmprog_laptop> I've never touched pkgconfig files
20:25 < pmprog_laptop> don't really know what they are
20:25 <@JonnyH> on gentoo it installs it to /usr/include/allegro5
20:26 <@JonnyH> then 5.2 installs to /usr/include/allegro5.2
20:27 < pmprog_laptop> I was thinking of reinstalling my boxes, but that means reconfiguring everything... and sorting out ownCloud all over again
20:28 <@JonnyH> TBH there's not much api difference between 5.0, it may end up being building against the package versions for linux is fine
20:28 <@JonnyH> and just use 5.2 for android/wahtever
20:29 <@JonnyH> anyway, off to grab some lunch, back in a bit
20:41 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, I half-wish I never started working with 5.1.x and stuck to the stable branch (though I didn't realise that when I picked my version)
20:43 < pmprog_laptop> All my dev systems are cluttered with crap :-(
20:58 < pmprog_laptop> I'm going bed. Laters
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19:50 <@JonnyH> hey sup
19:50 <@JonnyH> ever played this?
19:50 <@JonnyH> http://store.steampowered.com/app/576030/
19:56 < SupSuper> nope
20:00 < SupSuper> so it's zachtronics but without all the juice?
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20:39 < pmprog_laptop> Mornink
21:01 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Maybe? Not played zachtronics
21:01 <@JonnyH> but it looks like a 'intro to EE' course game-ified
21:01 <@JonnyH> hey pmprog_laptop
21:05 < frumple> crap. another one
21:05 < frumple> talking about http://store.steampowered.com/app/576030/
21:05 < frumple> TIS was something else.
21:06 < frumple> Shenzen? It looks nice, but people say it's easuer than TIS
21:06 < SupSuper> some stuff's easier, some stuff's harder. it's a lot more interesting at any rate
21:06 < frumple> well, i'm still keen on Shenzen
21:07 < frumple> TIS was brutal in the limitations
21:07 < frumple> such teeny boxes. can fit so few instructions. oh dear.
21:07 < frumple> good lesson though
21:08 < frumple> and i was blow away when i read you can pull off switch statements in TIS O.O
21:08 <@JonnyH> I kinda worry that the 'solution' to the MHRD problems are 'look it up in an EE book'
21:08 <@JonnyH> at least at the beginning
21:09 <@JonnyH> perhaps there's more room for 'different' solutions in the later problems
21:09 <@JonnyH> it kinda reminds me of an HDL
21:10 <@JonnyH> the worlds worst HDL with no timing
21:21 < SupSuper> i've played every zachatronics game and i can safely say i'm bad at all of them :p
21:21 < SupSuper> but otherwise love the hell out of it
21:21 <@JonnyH> I really should give them a go :)
21:22 <@JonnyH> I'm pretty sure I have all of them on steam
21:26 < SupSuper> you gotta respect a man who can take engineering challenges and make them more than just raw exercises
21:26 < SupSuper> the soundtracks make for good programming music too
21:26 < pmprog_laptop> I'm struggling with some of the later TIS puzzles, but I've not really tried it lately
21:26 <@JonnyH> I should give it a go
21:27 <@JonnyH> Half the point is competing with instruction count etc. right?
21:27 <@JonnyH> Might make a nice change - I tend to shoot people at work that go for "Optimised"
21:27 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, choose either speed or instructions (or try one of each)
21:28 < pmprog_laptop> I've not got Shenzen yet, but keep thinking about it. Although I kinda want to finish TIS first
21:28 < SupSuper> if i had to finish one before moving to the next i'd still be at spacechem :p
21:29 < SupSuper> but yeah it's half the fun finishing the puzzle, half the fun optimizing the hell out of it just to get a -1 saving...
21:30 < pmprog_laptop> haha, true, I never finished it, but I lost my progress and couldn't bring myself to start it again
21:30 <@JonnyH> I should give it a go, if it compares through steam usernames I guess I could steal your solutions ;)
21:30 <@JonnyH> I suspect trying to complete 'globally' isn't really worthwhile now
21:31 < pmprog_laptop> No, there's github repos with "solutions"
21:31 <@JonnyH> I though there was some in-game 'leader board'
21:31 < SupSuper> there is, the histograms are global but the leaderboards only show your steam friends
21:31 <@JonnyH> I think competing between people you actaully know is more interesting
21:32 <@JonnyH> I don't really know many programmers IRL
21:32 < pmprog_laptop> I did often wonder if Zachtronics knew what the best scores would be prior to releasing it, or if anybody came up with a solution they didn't know
21:32 < pmprog_laptop> You've got us on Steam though right?
21:32 <@JonnyH> errm... MAybe?
21:32 < SupSuper> JonnyH: are you a spy in a marketing department or something
21:33 <@JonnyH> Half the people I still talk to I met at uni
21:33 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: pretty sure he's admitted half the puzzles he makes aren't even beaten by himself
21:34 < pmprog_laptop> Then how does he know if it's possible? Seems a bit odd to me
21:34 <@JonnyH> Maybe playtesters?
21:34 < SupSuper> yeah plenty of victims to unleash it on :p the rest comes down to balancing the difficulty curve
21:36 < pmprog_laptop> I might have another go at trying to finish TIS
21:36 < SupSuper> more games need histograms. it's such a brilliant scoring mechanism
21:36 <@JonnyH> :) firefox has webgl2 - about tume
21:36 < frumple> one thing that bothers me about TIS is that highscores are lumped together. You can have few instructions and use few cores but atrocious cycles. Then improve cycles using more cores and instructions and the best scores are show together, even though you could never have those ine the same run.
21:36 < SupSuper> i don't care if i'm #12345, but i do care if i am within standard deviation
21:36 <@JonnyH> Limping along with GLES2 has been annoying...
21:37 < frumple> kinda difficult to compare how you did is what i'm saying.
21:37 < SupSuper> frumple: that's part of the fun! :p
21:37 <@JonnyH> Doing a proper post-mortem might be fun
21:37 < frumple> Plus i have a tendency to like my own solutions even when they get ludicrous. ^^
21:37 <@JonnyH> if you ended up with very different solutions
21:38 < frumple> that is true
21:38 < SupSuper> and 90% of the time you can't optimize all the stats at once so it's safe to throw caution to the wind
21:38 < pmprog_laptop> frumple, don't they show your "best" scores for each histo?
21:38 < frumple> that early problem that involves the Paralelism achievement... priceless. :)
21:39 < SupSuper> i never thought unrolling loops would become a legitimate strategy...
21:39 < frumple> yes locally, but compared to your friends on Steam it's best of each category, but together.
21:39 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Is it superscaler then?
21:39 <@JonnyH> A jump costs more than the instruciton set?
21:39 <@JonnyH> ...count
21:40 <@JonnyH> Filling ALU slots and playing games with the jump prediction stuff would be *crazy* surely?
21:42 < SupSuper> no, but for example a copy-pasted instruction is just 1 instruction per loop, while a proper conditional loop will incur a bit more from the checks
21:43 < frumple> here's one example that i made: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=811360352
21:43 < pmprog_laptop> You know, I've never found a use to the JRO in TIS
21:43 < SupSuper> so copy-pasting can be more instructions but less actual "exceutions"
21:43 < frumple> and after chatting a bit back and forth with a friend he posted his: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=811493838
21:44 < SupSuper> tis / shenzhen use very simple cpu models so you don't have to worry about some crazy batshit granularity... but people will try anyways
21:44 < frumple> though he took the screenshot while the code was not running
21:45 < pmprog_laptop> frumple, your signal multiplier looks crazy
21:45 < pmprog_laptop> what are the stats you got for it?
21:45 < frumple> one sec
21:45 < frumple> here's Viksom's histogram btw: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=813009436
21:45 < SupSuper> yeah sometimes you can dodge the stack altogether if you're clever
21:46 < SupSuper> not sure if it's "better" but hey it feels good
21:46 < SupSuper> that feeling only lasts until you look at your friend's scores though...
21:47 < pmprog_laptop> frumple, just sent you a steam friend request, so hopefully they'll pop up in game :)
21:47 < SupSuper> same
21:47 < frumple> aww. already posted the screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/3EA2JRG.png
21:48 < frumple> accepted both invites :)
21:48 < pmprog_laptop> Wow, 811 cycles!!!
21:48 < frumple> so yeah, the instruction count is huge
21:48 < frumple> but the cycles are rawr :D
21:49 < SupSuper> mine is 2186/4/32... so yeah i guess not using the stacks is slower :p but much more compact
21:49 < frumple> it's because i used both stacks
21:49 < frumple> and had enough room to execute the program twice
21:49 < pmprog_laptop> I had the fewest instructions between me, you and SupSuper :-) but was the slowest
21:49 <@JonnyH> I feel left out...
21:50 <@JonnyH> I really should fire up this then :)
21:50 < pmprog_laptop> Get in the game son
21:50 < frumple> the last node takes one result from one "side" then waits for the other to pass the result, so they stay in sync
21:50 < SupSuper> apparently i gave up TIS-100 at the image puzzles :p
21:50 < frumple> yeah i kinda left it around that same time
21:50 < pmprog_laptop> They were pretty hard
21:50 < pmprog_laptop> I'm up to the signal window filter, which does sums of the last three and last five inputs
21:50 < frumple> invite accepted. :)
21:50 < pmprog_laptop> I can't even wrap my head around how to start
21:51 < SupSuper> what's your steam JonnyH
21:51 < frumple> i think my biggest headach was probably the interrupt handler
21:52 <@JonnyH> http://steamcommunity.com/id/kimixa
21:52 <@JonnyH> Don't I already have you as a friend sup?
21:52 < pmprog_laptop> frumple, looks like you've not done the "Exposure Mask Viewer"
21:52 < SupSuper> apparently so
21:52 < pmprog_laptop> ah, just noticed what you said above
21:52 < pmprog_laptop> nvm
21:53 < frumple> yeah, iirc i had an idea on how to do it based on an earlier problem, but then for some reason cooled off on the game
21:53 < pmprog_laptop> the harder ones certainly take a lot of thinking, and my brain usually dies during work, so when I get home, I don't stand much chance :-P
21:54 < SupSuper> prolisten: https://zachtronics.bandcamp.com/
21:54 < frumple> there's allways soo much to learn
21:54 < frumple> it can be fun
21:55 < frumple> really, i was very happy to exchange screenshots and thoughts with Viksom, because he did things quite a bit differently.
21:56 < frumple> He also fessed up that he works on the problems with pen and paper. Valve has no anti-cheat for that :D
21:56 <@JonnyH> frumple: That's not cheating :P
21:56 < frumple> i know, it was the joke
21:57 < frumple> found my interrupt handler attempt. http://i.imgur.com/9uoSi6K.png
21:57 < frumple> i dunno if i just like to spread things around or if i have a fixation with populating node or what.
21:59 < frumple> here's Viksom's http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=811491527
21:59 < frumple> quite a difference
21:59 < pmprog_laptop> Here's mine http://imgur.com/a/QCL2k
22:00 < pmprog_laptop> Mines got quite good stats
22:01 < frumple> i have bad memories of that problem. had to try again from scratch so many time
22:01 < pmprog_laptop> How do you post screenshots to steam? is that something possible from within the game?
22:01 < frumple> i don't think i've ever understood it :|
22:01 < frumple> normally pressing F12 takes screenshots
22:01 < frumple> and Steam offers you to upload them
22:02 < pmprog_laptop> Cool, didn't know that
22:02 < frumple> if you took them via steam you can accest the Screenshots for a certain game by right-clicking on it in your library
22:02 < frumple> access*
22:03 < frumple> trouble is, if you didn't take screenshots with Steam then it won't have them, and while you can add them manually, it's a total pain in the ass.
22:04 < pmprog_laptop> Nar, that's fine... Pasting to the internet always seems hard work
22:04 < pmprog_laptop> KDE had a screenshot tool that supposedly auto-uploads, but I could never get it to work for me
22:05 < frumple> Steam won't auto upload, but once you quit the game a creenshot manager window opens up and asks if you want to upload any.
22:05 < frumple> You can also access this during gameplay using the overlay.
22:12 < SupSuper> or just in Steam > View > Screenshots
22:12 <@JonnyH> whelp, I just got shenzhen i/o
22:12 < SupSuper> one of us, one of us
22:12 <@JonnyH> That's $15 I'll never see again - it had better be worth it! :)
22:12 < SupSuper> you can't complain, it was in a bundle! :p
22:12 <@JonnyH> That's nearly a whole beer! (In SF)
22:13 < pmprog_laptop> Wait? You're starting with Shenzhen, damn, I'll have to buy it now
22:13 <@JonnyH> I already have tis100
22:13 <@JonnyH> '3 minutes played'
22:13 <@JonnyH> I guess I have actualyl installed it sometime in the past then? 
22:13 < pmprog_laptop> lol
22:14 <@JonnyH> though some things don't seem to add their playtime to steam...
22:14 < SupSuper> TIS and Shenzhen are fairly similar so they're a good breather after you're fed up with the other. i wouldn't mix them together though :p
22:14 < frumple> i have Spachem on Gog. And i remember never finishing it.
22:14 < SupSuper> specially since both need printed manuals...
22:14 <@JonnyH> you can buy boxed games with printed manuals still?
22:14 < frumple> to be fair the TIS manual is very short. The handbook on the other hand...
22:15 < SupSuper> *you* print it :p
22:15 < frumple> i think he was refering to a .pdf
22:15 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: No, then my work is going to print it :)
22:15 < SupSuper> there were limited editions with actual printed versions. shenzhen even had a binder!
22:15 < frumple> i suddenly want to 3D print a manual O.O
22:15 <@JonnyH> I'm not going t pay for inkjet ink
22:15 < pmprog_laptop> I'll look at getting Shenzen tomorrow, but now, I'm going bed. Good night
22:16 <@JonnyH> nn
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22:16 < frumple> gn\
22:16 < SupSuper> https://abload.de/img/shenzhen03tkszh.jpg it's just like real work!
22:17 <@JonnyH> Looks a bit like reddit.com/r/VXJunkies/
22:17 < frumple> that is nice. kinda like vinyl editions of chip soundtracks. no sense, just love i guess
22:17 <@JonnyH> I've never heard of a sunnyvale institude for audio engineering...
22:19 < SupSuper> you dare question the power of harmonics
22:26 <@JonnyH> heh, it even comes with a 'suggested binder' link to amazon
22:34 <@JonnyH> where's the tis100 handbook? Mine only has a 14page 'reference manual' pdf
22:35 < SupSuper> that's it. i think he meant the shenzhen handbook
22:35 < SupSuper> well, handbinder
22:36 < frumple> there is a handbook, but it is loaded with spoilers
22:36 < frumple> i found it in the steam community guides section for TIS
22:36 < SupSuper> spoilers? in tis100?
22:36 < SupSuper> i guess it must've been a physical edition thing
22:36 < frumple> well, as much as you can call them spoilers
22:37 < frumple> there's some tricks there. it's a good read.
22:37 < frumple> i looked at it after i was cooling off on the game and have already reached the drawing problems
22:38 < frumple> it's here if you're interested: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=563204874
22:38 < SupSuper> ah so it's a community thing
22:40 < frumple> i'm confused. the "Best Practises" thing is mentioned in the manual.
22:40 < frumple> i thought it was made up and then i found this. Go figure.
22:41 < frumple> The writing style feels like it's official.
22:43 < SupSuper> it specifically mentions it's fan work, just very true to the source. nothing wrong with that
22:44 < SupSuper> missing documention is usually "part of the joke" :p
22:45 < frumple> i missed it ;)
22:45 <@JonnyH> "For hints and tips, please visit i_am_an_idiot_who_cant_solve_the_problems_myself.tis100.com"
22:46 < SupSuper> i'll never try to figure out shenzhen's mystery chinese part. i'm sure there's an explanation online, i just feel better not knowing...
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23:20 <@JonnyH> And I'm having difficulty matching your cycle/instruction counts on the third challenge :P
23:24 < SupSuper> unlocks are retroactive, so i wouldn't stress just yet :P
23:25 < SupSuper> better to come back for optimizing when the later challenges are getting on your nerves
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23:49 <@JonnyH> huh, you can MOV ANY...
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08:36 < frumple> probably impossible to match cycle/node/instruction scores, as they are NOT the results of the same program.
08:37 < frumple> i was dissapointed by that
08:38 < frumple> though it does give the player extra goals, like to try to focus on one of the three scores.
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17:48 <@pmprog> Hey kids. Yogscast is playing XCOM:Apoc on Twitch, so I decide to drop a hint to OpenApoc in the chat :)
17:51 <@JonnyH> :)
17:51 <@JonnyH> I don't have anything to do at work
17:51 <@JonnyH> *honest* :P
17:52 <@JonnyH> maybe tell #openxcom?
17:52 <@JonnyH> there's *some* crossover...
17:53 <@JonnyH> oh no, they're using ground vehicles
17:57 <@pmprog> Get in the chat, help them out and promote OpenApoc ;-)
17:58 <@pmprog> I bought Shenzen IO too today
17:58 <@JonnyH> :)
17:58 <@pmprog> Off for a quick shower though. back in a bit
17:58 <@JonnyH> I had a quick go at tis100 last night
17:58 <@JonnyH> Pretty interesting
17:58 <@pmprog> I like TIS. The later puzzles are really hard to think about with the allowed instruction set
17:59 <@JonnyH> A few times I kinda *desperately* want bitwise logic/shifts...
18:08 <@pmprog> I'd like a couple of extra "registers"/variables. It's quite hard to implement one
18:08 <@pmprog> but I guess that's part of the challenge
18:08 <@JonnyH> A few times I've used a tile as a register :P
18:08 <@pmprog> Yeah with a "mov any, acc ; mov acc, last"? :)
18:11 <@pmprog> Crap, whatever was in that last Steam (Linux) update, has broken the tray icon :(
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18:14 < frumple> a kingdom for an extra register
18:15 <@JonnyH> I've used a shift register once too
18:15 < frumple> also, what a pisser it is to let me use labels when the line only allows so many characters :((
18:16 < frumple> i end up using one letter labels just to cram as much as possible into one line
18:16 <@JonnyH> I normally start with 'relatively' descriptive labels
18:16 <@pmprog> and you only get a handful of lines per block
18:16 <@JonnyH> then hack letters off as the instructions don't fit :)
18:16 < frumple> alternatively there is the JRO instruction, but that also takes up space...
18:16 <@pmprog> I've not used JRO yet
18:16 <@JonnyH> I used jro where a decision was made by an adjacent block
18:16 <@pmprog> In fact, I only just noticed the "Any" and "Last" ports, that I might try and use
18:17 < frumple> i think it's most powerful usage is when it's used with the ACC
18:17 <@JonnyH> and it's less than a jgz/jmp pair
18:17 < frumple> say JRO ACC will jump so many lines forward or backward
18:17 <@JonnyH> frumple: exactly
18:17 <@pmprog> yeah, I get jro acc could be useful, I've just not found anywhere to use it yet
18:18 < frumple> same. i'm strugglinig enough as it is, i don't need to try to break my head against for loops or switches
18:18 <@JonnyH> referencing the bak register directly would be nice too :)
18:18 < frumple> oh please :D
18:18 < frumple> that's like godmode ^^
18:18 <@JonnyH> In fact, why don't we just replace the whole thing with java? /s
18:19 < frumple> i will admit that having to cram instructions into such a limited space is a good lesson
18:19 <@JonnyH> having instruction opcodes would be nice
18:19 <@JonnyH> so you could 'execute' a register
18:20 < frumple> one instruction i have never used is the one that does bugger all. forgot what it's called. something to do with NULL
18:22 < frumple> NOP
18:22 < frumple> "pseudo-instruction that has no effect on the node's internal state or communication ports. NOP is automatically converted to instruction ADD NIL."
18:23 < frumple> mind you, there's undocumented stuff in the game. even an achievement for crashing the TIS.
18:25 <@pmprog> really?
18:25 < frumple> i've never found anything. probably didn't get far enough.
18:25 < frumple> the achievement does exist though.
18:26 <@JonnyH> I use nop relatively commonly for timing
18:26 < frumple> to keep things in sync?
18:26 <@pmprog> Bah, I keep using x86 assembly, and it goes "mov acc, -10 is invalid"
18:28 <@JonnyH> mov acc $(bak + 16)
18:28 <@JonnyH> x86-style moves would be cheating :)
18:29 <@JonnyH> cmov might be nice too..
18:34 <@pmprog> Well, best go collect the wife and child, I was hoping to try and play Shenzen, but I think it might be early night for all of us
18:34 <@pmprog> Catch you all next time
18:34 <@JonnyH> o7
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19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> so sup...
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> If I decided to push more of the onUpdate() style behaviours to a scripting language
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> do you have any preferences?
19:16 < SupSuper> oh noooooooooooooooooooooo
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Or at least a 'better split', even it's still c++
19:17 < SupSuper> in 2025 openapoc becomes the ultimate gaming engine
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> in 2026 it became self aware, and decided that humanity was surplus to requirements
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> the year is 2035, and the few humans left fight against the OpenApoc menace for the survival of humanity
19:18 < SupSuper> in 2050 openapoc travels back in time to usurp its original form
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> The resistance, hearing news of the OpenApoc plan, stage a daring raid to send back their own agent, a modded version of OpenApoc itself
19:21 < SupSuper> in all seriousness, i've barely touched scripting languages. i think lua is still all the rage? and it's oop-contemporaries like squirrel
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I think lua is 'easy to embed'
19:21 < SupSuper> although the question then becomes "which lua" :p
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> but you still end up with a fair bit of boilerplate around stuff you want to expose to the scripts
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I /think/ there are wrappers/libs that help with that boilerplate, but they all look pretty 'weird' to my eyes
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> We should have written this in c# then we could use the .net introspection -_-
19:22 < SupSuper> hell you can compile c# in runtime :p
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> #include <mono.h> :P
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19:24 < SupSuper> fwiw, this is what openttd uses. it's easy enough to use, but no idea about integrating: http://squirrel-lang.org/
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Or require you write all behaviours on a TIS100 platform :P
19:24 < SupSuper> people still use lua a lot so i assume its leanness is enticing
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the lanugage itself is less interesting compared to how it interops/what boilerplate is needed to expose the methods/values from c++
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> If you're writing 'large' scripts that require much structure and design you're probably doing it wrong
19:26 < SupSuper> yeah, like i said, squirrel appealed to me because it binds more closely to c++, but i don't know if that's a good thing :p
19:27 < SupSuper> then again i'm not sure what you want to expose? anything that can go in an update() is like... the whole framework
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I was thinking of the tile object stuff first
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> like onCollision(Vehicle this, Projectile), findTarget(Vehicle this, (list of other VEhicles?), decideNextMission(Vehicle this, whatever state)
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> not a general 'update' as such
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> but carving bits off
19:29 <@JonnyH`Work> and I *could* extend the gamestate serialiation generator to expose much of the GameState, depending on how it's integerated
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> (which was a half-baked though when using StateRefs<> instead of pointers too)
19:30 < SupSuper> well i guess it's one way to get away from your compile times ;p
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Move the compilation to runtime! :P
19:30 <@pmprog> Morning
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> hey there pmprog
19:30 < SupSuper> "we made this engine so complicated, you need a whole other engine just to be able to deal with it!"
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> "Technical solutions to non-technical problems" :)
19:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Just an idea, not a plan (or really a 'goal')
19:32 <@pmprog> I've been playing a bit with embedding lua, it's not bad, but a little confusing at first (from the C++ side)
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> I've not done much more tha 'hello world'
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Hence me asking if people has preferences or experience
19:34 <@pmprog> I've not done much more complicated than that. My other other scripting language I've used is one I created that was very assembler-esque :)
19:35 <@pmprog> I think some form of scripting is a good idea, and I'd possibly vote for lua just because it seems quite a common one. But I've not really looked at other options
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Step 1 would hopefully be split up the behaviours a bit
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> stuff like the vehicle/agent target selection is a bit of a spidery mess right now
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> so even if still in c++ having different functions for each part of their behaviour
19:43 <@pmprog> Smeg, how big is the manual for Shenzhen!
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> 12 megabytes
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> only 46 pages though
19:44 < frumple> smeg it, i'll just have the pea then
19:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I love the way it has a recommended binder at the beginning :)
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19:47 <@pmprog> I did the first challenge and it says SupSuper did it in 5 lines, and mine's currently 12. Time to actually read some of the manual :P
19:52 < SupSuper> a lot of it you only learn later. trust me :p
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> oh no, I regret starting a grammar discussion on #openxcom
19:54 <@pmprog> I must admit, looking at the histogram, it indicates people did it in 2/3 lines of code, which I have no idea how they did that to produce two signals. I have cut the first signal down from 4 lines to 3 though
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20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> oh god, there's a *story* on shenzhen?
20:08 <@pmprog> Yeah. From my brief play, I'm more inclined to TIS, but we'll see after I've played it a bit more
20:08 <@pmprog> Although there was a story in TIS, but it was kinda out of the way
20:11 <@pmprog> Okay, beating JonnyH`Work by 1 line, but still way off SupSuper :)
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20:19 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: all the zach games have stories. they always turn weird :p
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> do you get more components later you can use on older designs
20:23 <@JonnyH`Work> as I'm pretty sure you cannot get 3 instruction solutions with what's there
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I like the conditional execution though
20:24 < SupSuper> that was originally the case, but they might've changed it now? if you see the logic gates already, then you got everything
20:25 < SupSuper> you do learn about undocumented commands later though :p
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> no, the only component is the mc4000
20:25 < SupSuper> ok then yeah, you will unlock more stuff you can use retroactively, and learn more commands. i told you not to rush optimization ;)
20:26 < SupSuper> yeah the conditional execution is really nice compared to tis
20:26 < SupSuper> although annoying to nest :p
20:35 <@pmprog> Oh, that's so not fair
20:35 <@pmprog> That's bad design IMO... I'm sat here trying to work it out, and it's not actually possible at this point in the game
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> So there's literally zero use in trying to improve until you're at the end and unlocked everything?
20:36 <@pmprog> Basically
20:36 <@JonnyH`Work> From a game design standpoint it feels weird to have all these histograms/whatever that are just there to tease you
20:36 <@pmprog> That's disappointing and frustrating
20:37 <@pmprog> It's worse than tease, it's misleading
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I was literally thinking people had faked the responses to the server :)
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> As there *is* no way to get the first design in 3 instructions with what's available right now
20:37 <@pmprog> Well, I was half wondering that, but I'm sure SupSuper wouldn't have done that, and he managed 5 lines
20:38 <@pmprog> I can get down to 10 (I think), but no better at the minute
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> even worse: The drinks machine at work has increased in price
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Nothing is going right today
20:42 < SupSuper> you can't fake scores anyways as the client sends solutions, not scores
20:42 < SupSuper> so everything is run and validated on the server
20:44 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: well you need a learning curve :p but don't worry it only takes a few puzzles. or you can just look up the mystery instructions yourself. it's all part of the chinese knockoff experience!
20:44 <@pmprog> Well, I've just completed two puzzles and it's just told me I get all the parts now (afaik)
20:47 < SupSuper> ah i knew they had changed it. originally it was just gradual unlocks but then people got itchy. so there you go, feedback at work!
20:47 < SupSuper> i can understand their concern since zach games are massively overwhelming as it is :p
20:49 <@pmprog> hmmm, it's better, but I still think if you're like me and not want to move on until you're "done", you'd get annoyed
20:50 < SupSuper> well fwiw there are no magical superoptimizing parts. they're all very tradeoffy
20:50 < SupSuper> i've never even used the logic gates :p
20:51 <@pmprog> Oh I get that, but the fact I was chasing your score when it was impossible... Was a little frustrating
20:51 <@pmprog> Anyway, need to shut down now, will have another tomorrow (or soon)
20:51 <@pmprog> Take it easy
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20:52 < SupSuper> if you're chasing my score you don't wanna see my friends ;)
21:16 < SupSuper> well i'm not sure if they're friends or just robots in disguise
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> HCF doesn't work... disappointed
21:27 < SupSuper> HCF?
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Halt Catch Fire
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire
21:28 < SupSuper> it does in tis 100 :p i guess they've upgraded since
21:29 < SupSuper> or downgraded as it may be
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> haven't tried it there...
21:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I must be missing something
21:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I end up using the microcontrollers as just a p->x bus converter...
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> heh, "Content/messages/undocumented-instruction.txt"
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> It's like cheating, but I'd argue within the spirit of the game ;)
21:50 < SupSuper> :p
21:50 < SupSuper> converting between bus types is pretty common. there is a part that *kinda* helps with that
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21:54 < SupSuper> how do you like the lore so far
21:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I've only played like 30 mins :P
21:56 < SupSuper> so? if you haven't related to carl since the first email, i dunno what to tell you :P
21:59 < SupSuper> maybe you're more of a joe
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> "Raws"? I think I need a lie down...
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19:35 < pmprog_laptop> Mornink
19:44 <@JonnyH> g'day
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19:48 <@JonnyH> and I'm off for lunch
19:53 < pmprog_laptop> Tell you what, that solitaire game in Shenzhen is pretty tricky
19:56 < pmprog_laptop> Nearly finished the TIS-100 segment map. Unlocked the TIS-NET, but no idea what that is yet
19:57 < SupSuper> just more levels iirc
19:58 < SupSuper> possibly also the workshop integration
20:02 < pmprog_laptop> Hmm, neat... I thought I'd try and finish off the main part of TIS before really getting into Shenzhen
20:17 < pmprog_laptop> Surprisingly, there's a show on TV displaying our possible eurovision contest entrants. Aside from the whole Brexit thing, I've heard two songs and they're crap
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20:36 < SupSuper> sounds like eurovision :p
20:36 <@JonnyH> Eurovision? Crap? Surely not...
20:39 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, but they're not even "eurovision-y"
20:51 <@JonnyH> It won't be the same without drink-along-with-Wogan :(
20:51 < pmprog_laptop> lol
20:51 <@JonnyH> We put it on in the college bar every year at universit
20:51 <@JonnyH> Was surprisingly popular
20:51 < pmprog_laptop> Tell you what that "Love love peace peace" "skit" song by the hosts last year was actually pretty good, I'd have voted for that
20:51 <@JonnyH> but I guess students are known for their good taste ;)
20:52 <@JonnyH> I haven't watched the last couple, being in the US atthe time
20:52 < pmprog_laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMgW54HBOS0
20:52 <@JonnyH> "
20:52 <@JonnyH> The uploader has not made this video available in your country. 
20:52 <@JonnyH> "
20:52 <@JonnyH> Can't even watch that...
20:52 < pmprog_laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv6tgnx6jTQ
20:52 < pmprog_laptop> ?
20:53 <@JonnyH> oh, that works
20:53 < pmprog_laptop> It's kinda taking the piss, but it's actually pretty funny :)
20:54 < pmprog_laptop> We're about to find out our UK entry
20:55 <@JonnyH> edge of your seat stuff I assume
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20:56 < pmprog_laptop> Well, kind of...It's how quick I can get out the door though :-P
20:57 < pmprog_laptop> This is our pick apparently - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqyPx8Xa_YI
20:58 <@JonnyH> hmm.. I'm not sure they're actually playing their instruments there...
21:00 <@JonnyH> damn, it must be great fun doing the tech for eurovision...
21:01 < pmprog_laptop> You know, I've often thought doing tv visuals might be pretty interesting work
21:01 <@JonnyH> and I guess the UK is going to go with another completely forgettable inoffensive generic pop ballad
21:02 < pmprog_laptop> yep, it's awful
21:02 <@JonnyH> I just watched thgat video you linked
21:02 <@JonnyH> and ~5 seconds later I couldn't tell you anything about what I just heard
21:03 <@JonnyH> It would be much more fun to go with "We're not going to win anyway, here's some "progressive jazz punk metal trance"
21:05 < pmprog_laptop> You'd have thought after that Love Love Peace Peace, somebody might have actually listened, but nooooooo
21:06 < pmprog_laptop> Anyway, that's melted my brain and made my ears bleed, so I'm heading to bed. Catch you next time
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21:06 <@JonnyH> If you ask someone to name a eurovision band, you'll probably get "Abba... Lordi... errm... that guy"
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21:53 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: now you got plenty of reference material: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8a1PcxngVY
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19:32 < Sam__> Hello!
19:33 < Sam__> How is everyone?
19:34 < SupSuper> good
19:35 < Sam__> That name sounds familiar
19:35 < Sam__> Say, you a yogscast sub?
19:38 < Sam__> Anyways, how's openapoc doing?
19:38 < SupSuper> nah but i watch their x-com stuff
19:38 < SupSuper> might've popped in chat some times
19:38 < Sam__> That must be it
19:39 < SupSuper> also i run openxcom if they've ever brought it up :v
19:39 < SupSuper> openapoc is... alright. slow, but alright
19:39 < Sam__> Is it near playable?
19:40 < SupSuper> nah. we have a kinda working cityscape and kinda working battlescape but it's all set up with test stuff, you can't really play through it normally
19:41 < Sam__> What needs doing? Kinda wanted to see if I could contribute.
19:41 < SupSuper> paging JonnyH`Away
19:41 < SupSuper> we have a TODO on trello that might give you an idea: https://trello.com/b/lX5Y3DwR/openapoc
19:53 < SupSuper> basically vehicles, missions, really getting a core game loop going. we have a lot of systems but not much really tying them together and making them accessible to the player, you know?
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15:40 < kkmic> Hey JonnyH
15:40 < kkmic> How's it going?
15:42 <@JonnyH> Alright I guess :)
15:43 <@JonnyH> Having spend a couple of months 'off' I'm starting to get openapoc motivation again
15:48 < kkmic> What"months"? Your last commit was at the beginning of January
15:49 <@JonnyH> But it's been 'small' things
15:49 <@JonnyH> rather than "The Next Feature On The List"
15:50 <@JonnyH> so not really 'off', but 'light' :P
15:56 < kkmic> Actually, it's "progress"
15:56 <@JonnyH> It's me avoiding the things that look "hard" :P
15:56 < kkmic> It matters that it was, not how much it was
15:57 < kkmic> I follow the same mantra :)
15:57 <@JonnyH> but ask supsuper, some of the things I change may not be 'improvements' :P
15:57 <@JonnyH> but "Fun Experiments" instead...
15:57 <@JonnyH> which is less useful if the goal is a "Working OpenApoc" :P
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19:56 < pmprog_laptop> Mornink
19:57 < Skin36> hi
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> hola
19:58 < SupSuper> hey
19:58 < SupSuper> thanks for the post ;)
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20:08 < pmprog_laptop> No problems :-)
20:16 < SupSuper> twitter is going nuts: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=openxcom&src=typd
20:16 < SupSuper> it's good to know everyone hasn't gotten fed up with the wait for 2.0 yet :p
20:16 < pmprog_laptop> wtf is twitter? ;-)
20:17 < SupSuper> ikr
20:24 < SupSuper> i need two accounts just to maintain my ~~social presence~~
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> Speaking of accounts. Can you have more than one channel linked to a YouTube account?
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20:36 < pmprog_laptop> I can never be bothered logging in as OpenApoc, so was wondering if I could just link it to my "regular" account
20:39 < SupSuper> if you mean multiple youtube channels per google acount, yes you can
20:39 < SupSuper> and you can also have multiple google owners per youtube channel and etc etc :p
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> Nice, I guess I should look at how to do that
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Isn't twitter the offical press release method for the president of the USA?
20:40 < SupSuper> if your google account is linked to the openapoc channel you should be able to switch between them easily. this is my account panel: http://i.imgur.com/B008pGz.png
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> Who knows, but there's a petition in thr uk to stop him coming here
20:40 < SupSuper> somewhere in account settings probably
20:41 < pmprog_laptop> Cheers SupSuper
20:41 < SupSuper> speaking of, when's that next openapoc update video JonnyH`Work :p
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: No idea. When are you making it?
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> I could try and make one (sometime next year), if you tell me what's new to put in it
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, scott manley did a LP of xcom?
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I remember him when I was working on KSP
20:43 < SupSuper> i suggested it to him
20:43 < SupSuper> you worked on KSP?
20:43 < pmprog_laptop> Scott manley?
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> just the  linux port & testing
20:44 < pmprog_laptop> I was thinking of asking Kikoskia if he'd do a new UFO/TFTD LP with OpenXcom
20:45 < SupSuper> nice
20:45 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: scott manley LPs sci-fi stuff, he's pretty cool
20:45 < SupSuper> and science: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxzC4EngIsMrPmbm6Nxvb-A
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20:48 < pmprog_laptop> I've added a few of his vids to my "watch later" list
20:54 < pmprog_laptop> Huh, when I click "Add account", it just takes me to a login and then logs me in as somebody else
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I think on mine the account just appears in the drop-down list
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> it doesn't merge, just gives it an 'easy switch' option
20:56 < SupSuper> yeah "add account" is just for switching between logins easily
20:57 < SupSuper> to mess with your settings check https://www.youtube.com/account
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> It's really annoying, as that switch doesn't work with google corp accounts
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> It *appears* to work, but doesn't let you through the moma portal
20:57 <@JonnyH`Work> until you explicitly sign out of everything else
20:59 < SupSuper> it's clearly a hack they just kinda forgot about :p a lot of google services still don't recognize it
21:00 < pmprog_laptop> AH, found out how to add a new channel, but can't seem to link the existing one
21:00 < SupSuper> like all of google drive: http://i.imgur.com/DG2dOrw.png
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> finally I have your middle initials!
21:00 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: login as the current owner of the channel, and then add your other account as an owner as well
21:01 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: oh noooooooooo
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Now to open that bank account!
21:03 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, got them linked now!
21:03 < pmprog_laptop> Don't really know what went different this time, but hey, it worked
21:04 <@JonnyH`Work> so now time to post all those well-produced interesting and cool progress videos you've been making and not telling us about?
21:05 < pmprog_laptop> Well, as I said, let me know what's new and in there to show off, and I'll try and make some
21:06 <@JonnyH`Work> TODO: Implement something new
21:09 < pmprog_laptop> But yeah, if there's something new to show off, let me know next time I'm on, and I'll break out the screen capture
21:09 < pmprog_laptop> Off to bed now though. So g'night everyone
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21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> nn
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> he always leaves so fast...
21:19 < SupSuper> yeah
21:19 < SupSuper> i don't even remember what was featured in the last video :p
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> research, base module building, vehicles shooting stuff?
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> It was nearly a year ago :)
21:20 < SupSuper> didn't pmprog do one with battle stuff?
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog did a quick 'battlescape overview' with the battlescape
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> but I want to have a proper 'voice over' discussion of what's working, what still-todo, and the like
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> but I've been "Wanting and not doing" that for ~6 months :)
21:22 < SupSuper> yeah just the other day we got someone actually asking about our progress
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe I should get in teh office early tomorrow with a headset and do *something*
21:22 < SupSuper> i guess prompted by the yogscast apocalypse video?
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I also *really* want to make it so that the "Please insert CD" error pops up every now and then
21:23 < SupSuper> lol, it showed up during the yogscast :p what causes that? bad map?
21:24 < SupSuper> i remember there were some apoc fan patches, will those have to be included by openapoc as well?
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I *think* it's one of the maps doesnt actually exist?
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> most "fan patches" would likely require complete re-implementation to work with openapoc
21:24 < SupSuper> well i mean resource fixes
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't remember many "new maps" which would slot in
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I would need to trawl through them to split "bug fixes" from "changes"
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> perhaps ship some 'mods' by default (like openxcom) for the most common changes
21:25 < SupSuper> "make weapons not shit" seems popular
21:26 < SupSuper> possibly "make ground vehicles not shit" as well
21:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Still that's a "change" not really a "bugfix"
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> as *How* to make ground vehicles not shit may have difference of opinions
21:28 < SupSuper> that's why we make them optional :p
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, shipped but non-default
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> makes sense
21:28 < SupSuper> always nice to have some "sample mods"
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> while I see the "patches" stuff currently checked in as *pure* bug fixes
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> like bad building owners/clearly wrong tiles/LOF 'gaps'
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> The mod loading just needs a UI really
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07:06 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Away: do you think exposing a REST API would be hard ?
07:07 < TheSnide> useful for:
07:07 < TheSnide> * live debugging
07:08 < TheSnide> * having external plugins
07:10 < TheSnide> * have extra coolness points
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16:12 <@JonnyH`Work> TheSnide: maybe not REST, but some kind of repl would be nice
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19:53 < pmprog_laptop> Morning
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20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog
20:41 < pmprog_laptop> Hiya
20:41 < pmprog_laptop> How's things?
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> kinda meh, need to get tyres replaced on my car
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> and the quote was over 2x what I can buy them myself
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> just for the tyres - not including labor etc.
20:44 < pmprog_laptop> Ouch
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> atill nearly $150/tyre
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> and I need a pair
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> and I'm tempted to get another wheel set for the track...
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Could be an expensive time for me :)
20:50 < pmprog_laptop> Sounds expensive
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20:54 < pmprog_laptop> Hi SupSuper
20:54 < SupSuper> hey
20:54 < pmprog_laptop> How are we today?
20:56 < SupSuper> one year older :p
20:56 <@JonnyH`Work> happy birthday?
20:57 < pmprog_laptop> Happy birthday :)
20:58 < SupSuper> cheers
20:58 < SupSuper> i guess nobody looks at the forum calendar
20:58 < SupSuper> there was cake, all is well
20:59 < pmprog_laptop> I do remember seeing it on Skype this morning, then I forgot until you mentioned it :)
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> there's a forum calendar?
20:59 <@JonnyH`Work> should start a "SupSuper is officially other the hill" topic :P
21:00 < SupSuper> given how often i post, it'd get old fast :P
21:00 < pmprog_laptop> Do you mean "over" the hill? :)
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> over...
21:00 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been up since 4am...
21:00 < pmprog_laptop> Ah, join the club :)
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> That's what, 12:00 uk time?
21:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Getting up at midday doesn't sound as good
21:01 < pmprog_laptop> Well, not today, though I was awake at 4am, 5am and got up at 6am
21:01 < pmprog_laptop> heh, I was probably getting up when you were going to bed
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Lack of sleep is now a badge of pride...
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm pretty useless when tired
21:03 <@JonnyH`Work> and I feel pretty useless now -_-
21:04 < pmprog_laptop> Get a kid, you'll soon never sleep again :P
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> ...weirdly they quoted a slightly *better* tyre at less than 1/2 the price
21:07 <@JonnyH`Work> so I could getr all 4 done for less
21:08 < pmprog_laptop> lol
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> ...which I might actually do...
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> as that seems to be a good price for those
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> less than random online-only places
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and I just spent $400 getting a flight date changed...
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> expensive day
21:17 < pmprog_laptop> Wow. Truely is
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> but they did bump me up to 'premium' for "free"
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> You know, that new definition of "free" that costs $400
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> They're rated for 180mhz
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> ...mph
21:20 < pmprog_laptop> WHat other "free" is there? :)
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> which is nice for my ford fiesta
21:23 < pmprog_laptop> Past my curfew, I best be heading to bed!
21:24 <@JonnyH`Work> night
21:24 < pmprog_laptop> g'night. cya next time. And enjoy your birthday SupSuper
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17:21 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Work: bah REST is the new TCP
17:21 < TheSnide> ;-)
17:22 < TheSnide> (not even HTTP anymore)
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> no, TCP is the new TCP
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> you still need some http-alike to get the paths and requests/commands
17:22 < TheSnide> you know what i mean
17:22 < TheSnide> :-p
17:23 < TheSnide> but using curl as an UI would be interesting
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> if you don't *need* compatibility with existing http tools
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> you can make it a lot simpler
17:23 < TheSnide> not really efficient. but cool
17:24 < TheSnide> bah, just use a simple httpd
17:24 < TheSnide> it can be http1.0 only
17:24 <@JonnyH`Work> ...but why?
17:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Why not define a much better fitting protocol?
17:24 <@JonnyH`Work> The it can be used for other things too
17:25 <@JonnyH`Work> like network state sharing 'live'?
17:25 < TheSnide> yeah.
17:25 < TheSnide> i usually do rest-first. then move to a more efficicient one lter
17:26 < TheSnide> as you have a tremendous amount of.work already done if you use rest
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> The *only* advantage of rest is the http compat from my pov?
17:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Otherwise it's just a 'terrible filesystem api'?
17:27 < TheSnide> indeed. but the tool to access it are ubiquitous
17:28 < TheSnide> adding a rest api to any tool is usually a matter of hours.
17:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Indeed, if you see http tools as a hammer, then REST is a nail-shaped mould
17:28 < TheSnide> yup
17:29 < TheSnide> rest is awesome for scaffolding
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> The "hard" work of introspecting the gamestate based on strings would be pretty much the same?
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> how that's wrapped would be pretty trivial?
17:29 < TheSnide> bah, just expose everything as a huge json.
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> But I doubt a 'live' gamestate could be usefully modified without some tooling
17:29 <@JonnyH`Work> a json-serialized gamestate would be 100s of mb
17:30 < TheSnide> really ?
17:30 < TheSnide> hnmm
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> if you want it self-contained yes
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> If you're willing to leave some things as immutable it'll be ballpark similar to the current xml
17:31 < TheSnide> anyway. was just an idea.
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Some ~50mb in battle
17:31 < TheSnide> oh you already emit xml ?
17:31 < TheSnide> ah for save
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> json tends to be a bit smaller than xml just 'caus the metadata is cleaner
17:32 < TheSnide> juat reuse that for rest ;)
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, saves (and 'initial' state uses the same paths)
17:33 < TheSnide> then you can modify using *replaces* and loading the xml
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> it would still need some work, as something like "Serialize to memory, run XPATH/Whatever on the state to implement the string->object conversions, serialise back in" sounds insane
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> as there's currently no way of mapping the tree to strings (for paths) outside of "Serialize/Deserialize EVERYTHING"
17:34 < TheSnide> indeed. but perf is not an issue.
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> but it could be added the same place we currently generate the serialization code
17:34 < TheSnide> i mean, better have a slow feature than none
17:34 < TheSnide> it could be :
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I planned to use a remote API to work as an 'editor'
17:34 < TheSnide> * improved later
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> so the gamestate would be "in game"
17:34 < TheSnide> * dropped if noone is interested
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> instead of an editor having it's own implementation of a lot of this
17:35  * TheSnide loves VIM as a gamestate editor
17:36 < TheSnide> and yes, you'll need to have subtree serialize to have usable perf
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> It already generates code as a tree
17:37 <@JonnyH`Work> but mapping the "(GameState object).(Map objecT).(whatever)
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> to "state" string / "map" string / "whatever" string
17:38 < TheSnide> you'll need some kind of reflection indeed
17:38 <@JonnyH`Work> doesn't really exist right now outside the parent object's serialization code
17:39 < TheSnide> i'll have a look if i may
17:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I want to expose much of the gamestate to some script language to push some of the "unit behaviour" code out of c++ too
17:39 <@JonnyH`Work> and that would likely require some similar reflection abilities
17:39 < TheSnide> i'd like to have external process to drive AI
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> hence me thinking a repl of that may be pretty trivial on top of that
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> REPL to a socket wouldn't be hard
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> but I suspect to make decisions the AI module would either need 'fast' access to the current TileMap state, or it's own internal shadowing copy
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> both of which make "out of process" a little more annoying
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Also, quite a few parts of the GameState end up having depenandant data that's just part of the runtime state, and not serialized directly
17:43 < TheSnide> sharwd mem
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. the TileMap itself is like a "3d-locality" lookup optimisation for objects
17:43 <@JonnyH`Work> not the canonical definition of an objects position
17:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so changing the position of a TileObject at runtime would require support code to re-calculate that
17:45 < TheSnide> +shared ueue
17:45 < TheSnide> queue
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> using shared memory would require us to redefine object children links as something other than pointers
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> but a lot of this is just implementation details
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> The idea of having an out of process introspection/state modification interface is solid
17:53 < TheSnide> fr keeping pointer you can play tricks with VM and ask for a fixes mapping
17:53 < TheSnide> fixed
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Mapping the GameState and all dependant objects into it's own fixed offset heap sounds like the beginning of a terrible idea :P
17:54 < TheSnide> the 64bit address space is vast
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> and the OS can deny any arbitrary mapping at any time
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> And you only get ~48bit of address space on most implementations
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> and we'll likely want to run on 32bit archs too
17:55 < TheSnide> yeah
17:56 < TheSnide> mmap a file would be better. pointers to offset of the file
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> If we redefine all "GameState pointes" as offsets that'll be possible, yes
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> and you could use shared memory, as everything being put at a different base address is 'fine'
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> but expanding the mapping might be an issue
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> unless you map a large enough buffer you can *guarantee* you'll never exceed
17:57 < TheSnide> 640k being enoigh for every use
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> plus having to wrap every pointer* in some object will have some (runtime and 'code') overheads
17:58 < TheSnide> yea
17:58 < TheSnide> dll & .so as dedicated threads
17:59 < TheSnide> in the same address sapce
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> just the access-base-and-offset every pointer would kill the cache
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> unless you have a separate thread-local base
17:59 < TheSnide> bah
18:00 < TheSnide> anyway life is a bitch andbthere's no free lunch
18:01 < TheSnide> since it'a doomed anyway, i'll start with a naive rest api ;)
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> A lot of this kinda appeals to my "Sounds cool, would be a challenge" part of my brain
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> but the other part goes "Likely *really* not great on the cost/benefit scale" :P
18:02 < TheSnide> but the shared vm is very nice
18:02 < TheSnide> i used it quite often.
18:03 < TheSnide> it works surprisingly well
18:04 < TheSnide> you have to take care about allocating the same lumps on each sub process
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> implementing the whole thing using splice() sounds cool
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> but still... Crazy
18:05 < TheSnide> and have a consensus ifconflict.
18:05 < TheSnide> basically try randomly another.area ;)
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Or just allow the mapping to fail if too larghe
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and implement your own SEGV handler to pull in the data as needed and relocate any pointers
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> but then that would kill any performance again, which was half the point about using a mapping
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> plus sharing memory means you don't have the benefits of a 'strictly defined' interface
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> like being able to push it over a network or whatever
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> and have to worry about concurrency issues if the game is still running
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18:28 < TheSnide> yes.
18:28 < TheSnide> you'll usually leverage a locking schemw for that
18:32 < TheSnide> and have a field open for deadlocks ;-)
18:34 <@JonnyH`Work> at some point a process-sharing-lots-of-it's-vm and an in-process-thread become a little blurry
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18:39 < TheSnide> huhu
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19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> next thing you'll suggest implementing saves by core-dump :)
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19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Question:
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19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> If I were to be in Lisbon for a couple of days in March
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> would there be any "must see" things or recommendations you could give?
19:33 <@JonnyH`Work> and hi pmprog :)
19:33 <@pmprog> hiya
19:41 <@pmprog> https://www.br-klassik.de/concert/ausstrahlung-959950.html
19:41 <@pmprog> orr https://www.br-klassik.de/programm/radio/ausstrahlung-931230.html if you dont' have flash
19:41 <@pmprog> for some classical arrangements of game music
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19:50 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: everything?
19:51 < SupSuper> depends what you're into, there's tons to see in lisbon. landmarks, museums, parks, culture, food, drink, beaches, etc
19:55 < SupSuper> we can go for a drink if you're not too busy :p
19:56 < SupSuper> then you can get a "i met the openxcom guy and all i got was this lousy t-shirt"
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19:59 <@pmprog> You have t-shirts? Cool :)
19:59 < SupSuper> i can sign one. collector's value!
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20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure on exact plans, but my brother suggested it
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll have to ask him if there's anything specific he wants to do as well
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> but I'd be up for a drink :)
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure I can find an openxcom t-shirt though, I guess I'd have to get one printed myself
20:32 < SupSuper> do it before i change the logo, then it'll become rare ;)
20:32 <@pmprog> Got a new logo planned?
20:33 < SupSuper> yeah it's tucked under the big old openxcom 2.0 pile :p
20:33 <@pmprog> I keep meaning to sort OpenApoc one, but I guess Makus's one is plenty good enough
20:33 <@pmprog> Oooh, I'm excited
20:35 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: anyways my serious recommendation would be to get one of those tourist passes so you can ride around public transports all around central lisbon
20:35 <@pmprog> Is it as good as HP Enterprises logo (https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/26/green_rectangles_are_the_new_rounded_rectangles/)
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> bah, we've had "Simple Geometric Shape" as out logo for *years*
20:37 <@JonnyH`Work> clearly we're trendsetters
20:38 < SupSuper> lol
20:38 < SupSuper> pmprog: it's basically a cleaner sharper version of the logo that can actually be printed and distributed without totally fucking it up. also made by a professional :p
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> http://toucharcade.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/imagination_technologies_powervr_logo.png
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> I think that was much cooler
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Back when "Being able to do shadows" was a clear differentiating feature of the TBDR :)
20:41 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: you'll probably find tons if you look up lisbon sightseeing, here's some stuff off the top of my head: zoo, oceanarium, gulbenkian museum, gloria lift, tram rides, tagus river rides, praça de belem, praça do comerçio, praça dos descobrimentos, s. jorge castle, jeronimos monastery, eduarde vii park, obidos, etc etc etc the list never ends
20:41 < SupSuper> just be sure to get some local cuisine as well :p
20:42 < SupSuper> you'll probably find a bunch of stuff here and here https://www.visitlisboa.com/ https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g189158-Activities-Lisbon_Lisbon_District_Central_Portugal.html if you need more specific feedback i can ask around
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I just wondered if there was any *really standout* things that cannot be missed
20:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I doubt we'll have difficulty filling the time, it'll only by 2-3days max
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> But if it's all pretty good I guess a random sampling is as good as any
20:45 < SupSuper> i'd say the landmarks, specially in central lisbon (next to the river) you can cover a lot if you plan well. stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pra%C3%A7a_do_Com%C3%A9rcio and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bel%C3%A9m_(Lisbon)
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I'll have to plan stuff
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise you could waste quite a bit of time in a short visit
20:48 < SupSuper> as a native it's hard to tell what *really stands out* :) some stuff is really cool but really out of the way, so i'd probably focus on all the central stuff within walking/transportation distance, specially if you wanna go on any stuff with closing times
20:49 < SupSuper> not really a good place for renting a car :p
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> No car? How do you drive anywhere? /s :P
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> It was always slightly amusing having to describe to people how I "Didn't use a car" in the UK
20:53 < SupSuper> given the amount of americans here i thought i should mention that :P they're probably the ones riding all the tourist buses, dunno how good they are
20:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I should "Brit It Up"
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> go around topless, get a terrible sunburn doing nothing but lying on the beaches
20:54 <@JonnyH`Work> and SPEAK ENGLISH LOUDLY until Johnny Foreigner understands
20:54 < SupSuper> you wouldn't be the first :p not exactly beach season though
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Just means you have to try harder
20:55 < SupSuper> you should probably focus on these areas, there's subways and buses connecting it all: http://i.imgur.com/d8HWz43.png
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not easy being a british lout on holiday
20:55 <@JonnyH`Work> lel, google search for "Landmarks"
20:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Thanks for the pointers though, I'll have to nail down my brother's plans a bit first
21:04 <@pmprog> I'm off, enjoy
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21:12 < SupSuper> well i wanted to highlight the landmarks :p but yeah you'll have plenty to cover
21:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I've spent ~3 years 'just down the road' from san francisco
21:14 <@JonnyH`Work> and last year when one of my friends came over asking for tips, I realised I hadn't really looked around *any* of the landmarks :P
21:14 < SupSuper> well i only know this because i've had tourists over before :P
21:15 < SupSuper> my british friends were more interested in the night life than the sight seeing though
21:15 < SupSuper> i guess they've seen enough castles :P
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I lived in one for a year :P
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> But I'm not really a 'night life' guy... As you can probably guess :P
21:22 < SupSuper> well just be sure to sample some codfish and wine
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Is it better than british wine?
21:23 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus thats a pretty low bar...
21:25 < SupSuper> :p
21:25 < SupSuper> we do have pubs if you get nostalgic
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> ha, there's a pub down the road from me here
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> which it literally the interior of a dodgey '70s pub broken down and shipped over from the uk
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Sticky carpet and beaten up wood panelling and all that
21:27 < SupSuper> nice
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18:10 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: i switched to visual studio 2017 :o
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19:28 <@JonnyH> :O
19:28 <@JonnyH> there's a msvc 2017?
19:29 <@JonnyH> Does it fix SFINAE on templates?
19:30 < SupSuper> it's still RC so probably not
19:35 < SupSuper> the new installer is so much better. finally you can install visual studio without cluttering your programs with 10 different versions of sql server, and everything is broken down to the point you can install c++ without junk like atl/mfc/cli/etc
19:35 <@JonnyH> about goddamn time
19:35 < SupSuper> you could even skip win32 entirely and strictly install visual studio for use with clang or some other weirdness :p
19:38 < SupSuper> apparently there's also c++17 modules for the runtime? haven't tried them
19:39 <@JonnyH> <3 modules
19:39 <@JonnyH> IIRC 2015 has a pre-release version of modules too
19:40 < SupSuper> i imagine you'd break your program on every other compiler if you used modules though since it's still in draft
19:43 <@JonnyH> Yeah, it's very compiler-specific
19:43 <@JonnyH> *ideally* they'll 'work' if it falls back to text-style #include
19:44 <@JonnyH> meh... Anyway, I'm wandering off now, off to get drunk or whatever it is people do on their birthdays :)
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19:45 < SupSuper> lol have fun
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14:50 < SupSuper> visual studio must be the last microsoft product that's still stuck on 32-bit
15:04 < Kaljakoppa> Even Office is ported
15:08 < SupSuper> i guess people reach >3gb word documents quicker than they reach >3gb applications :p
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20:04 < pmprog_laptop> Howdy
20:05 < SupSuper> hey
20:06 < pmprog_laptop> Hiya SupSuper. How's it going?
20:07 < SupSuper> alright
20:07 < SupSuper> just noticed system3 is still around: https://twitter.com/System3Games/status/370982854647234561
20:09 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, they had a bit of ruffle with the Fastloaders
20:09 < pmprog_laptop> over the Ninja Musicology CDs
20:10 < pmprog_laptop> Apparently the new Last Ninja game they're thinking of doing will be another "remix", and they've done a deal with Matt Gray to use some of his music in the new game
20:11 < SupSuper> cool
20:12 < pmprog_laptop> I'd rather them have considered a "Last Ninja 4" with some fresh stuff though
20:12 < SupSuper> well we wouldn't want another double dragon 4 :p
20:13 < SupSuper> here's hoping their constructor hd is good
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> Not seen Double Dragon 4
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> Here's a "Last Ninja" engine I was working on - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il9PLzZqPac
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> Bah, I really should actually finish a project sometime in my life
20:15 < SupSuper> i think you showed that before
20:15 < pmprog_laptop> Probably :) I like to show things I've actually done... Makes me feel like I've not just wasted all my time
20:16 < SupSuper> and double dragon 4 is just a new game done in the same style as the nes original. kind of a letdown if you were expecting something fresh
20:17 < pmprog_laptop> Now you see, that doesn't bother me as much as you might think
20:18 < pmprog_laptop> It's just if it's a HD repaint over a game I've played, it seems less interesting
20:19 < pmprog_laptop> But I guess I just like older pixel-art games, restricted palettes etc.
20:19 < pmprog_laptop> Not that I don't like "newer" games
20:20 < pmprog_laptop> That said, one thing that really bugs me is where pixel art is used, but then there'll be a "photo-realistic" explosion or something that just looks out of place
20:21 < SupSuper> even if you like pixels, there were plenty of more modern double dragons to base it off :p
20:24 < pmprog_laptop> To be honest, I played the three DD games on the C64 (all of them were pretty bad), and the gameboy (which I quite like). Not really played any others
20:40 < SupSuper> double dragon neon was really good
20:44 < pmprog_laptop> Animations look really weird in that version
20:47 < pmprog_laptop> Must say, Final Fight is more my style personally
21:05 < pmprog_laptop> Right, heading off. G'night
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23:08 < SupSuper> damn visual studio is really taking "RC" to the next level, they're updating it every month
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00:34 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: lol you finally closed that PR
00:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I closed some things I didn't think were relevant anymore?
00:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I dunno :P
00:58 <@JonnyH`Work> We don't really have a *real* single source for stuff like that...
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18:48 <@pmprog> Hey kids
18:49 <@JonnyH> hey weird uncle
18:53 <@JonnyH> Managed to scab some free tickets to GDC :)
18:53 <@pmprog> Cool
18:54 <@pmprog> I've been watching loads of videos from older GDCs on YouTube
18:54 <@JonnyH> just the expo, none of the interesting tracks
18:54 <@JonnyH> but it means I don't *have* to do anything either :)
18:55 <@pmprog> Is there anything interesting going on that you're hoping to see?
18:56 <@JonnyH> not really, just want to wander around and be nosey
18:56 <@JonnyH> not doing any vulkan things this year
18:56 <@JonnyH> never actually just wandered around the show floor before
18:56 <@pmprog> You'll have to let us know if there's anything of interest that you find
18:57 <@JonnyH> Not really even looked at what's going to be on show
18:57 <@JonnyH> if you have anything interesting you've noticed let me know
19:03 <@pmprog> This might be interesting - http://schedule.gdconf.com/session/classic-game-postmortem-sid-meiers-civilization
19:03 <@JonnyH> not on my pass type :P
19:03 <@JonnyH> expo only I'm afraid
19:05 <@pmprog> Ah right, I don't really know how GDC works
19:05 <@JonnyH> it's designed to milk as much money out of people as possible
19:06 <@JonnyH> think TED talks, the people in the room are always some CEO/Marketing guy that is doing it as an expensive jaunt
19:06 <@JonnyH> not the people actaully working on the topic at hand
19:07 <@pmprog> Apparently Mozilla are in the North hall (I think). You could go ask them to reduce the crap in Firefox :)
19:07 <@JonnyH> We have a stand
19:07 <@JonnyH> I could hide my badge and abuse them about open source drivers for a while
19:10 <@pmprog> lol
19:11 <@pmprog> Won't they know you?
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19:15 <@JonnyH> probably not :P
19:16 <@JonnyH> The marketing guys are their own thing
19:16 <@JonnyH> and I think they're coming from the UK, so not even likely to have 'seen them around the office'
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19:19 <@pmprog> Ah, fair enough
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19:38 <@JonnyH> ugh, someone claimed to pass over some device to us IRL
19:38 <@JonnyH> and nobody in our team knows anything about it
19:39 <@JonnyH> which begs the question of *who* he gave the device to...
19:39 <@pmprog> Oooh... Mystery
19:39 <@pmprog> Speaking of which I noticed gallopgames website is now gone
19:39 <@JonnyH> It's all NDA stuff, though on their side not ours :P
19:39 <@JonnyH> it's just a commodity device but pre-release sw
19:39 <@pmprog> Haha "Fix this device, but I can't tell you what it is or what it does"
19:40 < SupSuper> pmprog: http://www.snapshotgames.com/ ?
19:40 <@JonnyH> It's more "Our distribution system is so screwed it it's easier to hand you a device with the app on than send it to you to show the issues"
19:41 <@pmprog> Hi SupSuper. So he's just changed the domain. It used to be gallopgames.com
19:41 <@JonnyH> no vancancies! Damn!
19:41 < SupSuper> i assume his old gollopgames blog is gone yeah
19:41 < SupSuper> JonnyH: i applied when there were, sadly didn't get the part :p
19:41 <@JonnyH> :(
19:41 <@pmprog> Really? That's a shame
19:42 <@pmprog> Did you get a reason why?
19:43 < SupSuper> nah they were interested but then ghosted me *shrugs*
19:43 <@JonnyH> Probably something like "Creepy Fanboys Following Me Around" and "What are you doing in my house??"
19:43 <@JonnyH> :P
19:43 < SupSuper> didn't really wanna move to bulgaria i guess
19:46 <@JonnyH> Wonder if they'll be at gdc :P
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20:35 < pmprog_laptop> Morning
20:49 < SupSuper> hey
21:02 <@JonnyH> hola
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21:43 < pmprog_laptop> Hiya. JonnyH, I see you're on for a Pyra Prototype :)
21:43 <@JonnyH> am I?
21:44 <@JonnyH> oh, apparently I am...
21:44 <@JonnyH> oh god the pressure
21:45 < pmprog_laptop> lol, it's great that you didn't even know
21:45 <@JonnyH> I was kinda avoiding it a bit TBH
21:45 <@JonnyH> as I didn't want to imply that I could actually guarantee anything :P
21:47 < pmprog_laptop> I hope the device is reasonably set up software-wise by the time it's released
21:47 < pmprog_laptop> Well, I better go. Fraid it was short lived. G'night
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20:50 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: https://github.com/jeremyong/Selene/
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21:33 < pmprog_laptop> Oh nice link SupSuper
21:34 < SupSuper> yeah looks like a possibly sane lua binding??? crazy
21:34 < SupSuper> i bet the backend is sheer insanity for such pretty syntax though
21:37 < pmprog_laptop> I have some header-only libraries in my github stars if you're interested in such things? Things like windowing, ogg playback, input
21:39 < SupSuper> ogg playback sounds handy
21:40 < SupSuper> single-file libs are also cool: https://github.com/lvandeve/lodepng
21:41 < pmprog_laptop> Doesn't support Linux atm though. I was going to try and write an Asla build, but never got around to it. He's even offering bounty on the TIGsource forum for a linux build
21:41 < pmprog_laptop> https://github.com/nothings/stb
21:41 < SupSuper> audio is always a pain
21:44 < pmprog_laptop> The input library (https://github.com/Schrompf/sniis) sounds pretty neat, supporting multiple keyboards etc.
21:44 < pmprog_laptop> I often wondered what happens on Windows if you plugged in two mice or two keyboards, but never actually tested
21:44 < pmprog_laptop> Well, same for Linux too I guess
21:47 < SupSuper> i think they work simultaneously. this is why most hotkey usb devices identify themselves as a "usb mice" or "usb keyboard" so they can all send mouse/keyboard commands
21:48 < SupSuper> as far as figuring out which is which, i guess directinput lets you sort them out
21:51 < pmprog_laptop> Oh wait, I think the audio one I was originally referring to was here - https://github.com/RandyGaul/tinyheaders
21:51 < pmprog_laptop> There's a bunch of other header-only libs there too
21:52 < pmprog_laptop> I must admit, when I saw "tinysid", I only thought of the C64 SID chip... but it wasn't that :-(
21:57 < pmprog_laptop> I gotta go. Laters
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17:53 < Thinky_> Greetings!
18:08 <@JonnyH> hey there
18:08 < Thinky_> How are you?
18:08 <@JonnyH> alright I guess :)
18:09 < Thinky_> It has been a long time.
18:09 <@JonnyH> Yes it has :P
18:09 < Thinky_> Hopefully your personal life hasn't been too hard on you?
18:09 <@JonnyH> Probably not much change though, a lot of IRL stuff still going on...
18:10 < Thinky_> Don't worry, that is all expected when it comes to developing.
18:10 < Thinky_> It is only those who don't know the development process that think otherwise.
18:12 <@JonnyH> Especially as it's a "fun" project
18:12 <@JonnyH> if it's not "fun" I won't do it :P
18:12 <@JonnyH> and right now other things come first
18:16 < Thinky_> I understand that entirely.
18:17 < Thinky_> What isn't making it "fun" right now? Just a lot of repitition?
18:31 <@JonnyH> not really, but more due to lack of time with other stuff happening
18:31 <@JonnyH> a few family things, and I'll be on holiday next month too
18:33 <@JonnyH> and as this is not quite top of the list I don't want to carve out other things to "make time" :P
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21:11 < pmprog_laptop> Morning
21:13 <@JonnyH> hola
21:14 < pmprog_laptop> Hiya JonnyH, how;s things?
21:15 <@JonnyH> not great, more family stuff
21:15 <@JonnyH> Probably flying back to the UK in the next week for a funeral
21:15 < pmprog_laptop> sorry to hear
21:15 < pmprog_laptop> :-(
21:16 <@JonnyH> I was alreay planning to go back next month for holiday stuff
21:16 <@JonnyH> plus I managed to snag free GDC tickets for next week, not sure how things will time out though
21:16 < pmprog_laptop> At least you didn't pay for the tickets if you have to miss it
21:17 <@JonnyH> yeah, but I'll still be taking them off someone else, there was a fair bit of demand...
21:17 < pmprog_laptop> I'm sure you could always offer them around to collegues or friends
21:18 <@JonnyH> not sure, I think they're registered in my name
21:18 < pmprog_laptop> Do you need ID when you arrive?
21:18 <@JonnyH> I think they're pretty unmoving on swapping badges
21:18 <@JonnyH> and I need my work ID and all that jazz
21:18 < pmprog_laptop> Wow, that's crazy
21:18 <@JonnyH> I think 'caus people paid for the week ticket
21:18 <@JonnyH> and sent 7 different people, one for each day
21:19 <@JonnyH> and it's *meant* to be an industry event
21:19 <@JonnyH> so not to be resold to 'randoms'
21:20 < pmprog_laptop> Well, I hope you get everything sorted
21:23 <@JonnyH> me too :)
22:07 < pmprog_laptop> Heading off, later
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22:28 < SupSuper> hey JonnyH
22:28 < SupSuper> did you see my lua link?
22:29 <@JonnyH> huh?
22:29 <@JonnyH> oh https://github.com/jeremyong/Selene/?
22:29 <@JonnyH> ugh, header only
22:29 <@JonnyH> You're already whining about compile time :P
22:30 <@JonnyH> TBH the creation of the vm and all that isn't the big deal
22:30 <@JonnyH> but more how to annotate the GameState classes etc. into something that can be read from lua
22:30 < SupSuper> i just figured you'd like C++11 :p
22:30 <@JonnyH> Get with the programme
22:30 <@JonnyH> we're moving to c++17 now
22:30 < SupSuper> and registering classes seems pretty straightforward
22:32 <@JonnyH> might be interesting
22:32 <@JonnyH> when I have a spare couple of months to rewrite half openapoc again
22:35 < SupSuper> :p
22:35 <@JonnyH> wekk, for one it claims to support 5.1 but fails to build against it
22:39 < SupSuper> also vs2017 is coming in 2 weeks!
22:40 < SupSuper> happy 20 years of visual studio: https://msdnshared.blob.core.windows.net/media/2017/02/Visual-Studio-97.png
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23:16 <@JonnyH> I'm trying to persuade myself I don't *need* to order one of those new 8 core amd cpus...
23:17 <@JonnyH> my 6 year old sandy bridge is startig to show it's age...
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21:34 <@JonnyH> I failed...
21:34 <@JonnyH> I just ordered a new CPU motherboard and ram :(
21:34 < SupSuper> 0 days since JonnyH rewrote OpenApoc?
21:34 < SupSuper> oh
21:35 <@JonnyH> but on a lighter note, one of my "gamer" friends has been raving about his fancy 144hz monitor
21:35 <@JonnyH> going on and on about how much *obviously* better it was
21:35 <@JonnyH> and it turned out he still had it in 60hz mode for all that time ;)
21:38 <@JonnyH> so hopefully I won't be buying a new monitor too
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18:04 < _michal> SupSuper: is OpenApoc alive?
18:19 < SupSuper> _michal: very very slowly but yes
18:19 < _michal> cool
18:19 < SupSuper> you just need to poke JonnyH`Away with a big stick :p
18:19 < _michal> i saw there weren't commits since some times
18:21 < SupSuper> yeah you know open-source, we have rushes of lots of development and no development
18:22 < _michal> yeah, i know, i know
18:22 < SupSuper> we need more fresh blood ;)
18:22 < SupSuper> but we have quite a bunch of battlescape and base management so not too bad
18:23 < _michal> yeah, i saw some video (probably old) / screens, progress is impresive :D
18:23 < _michal> openapoc and freeablo are two open source engine reimplementations i hope will be finished
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19:27 < Kaljakoppa> _michal uuh, thanks for the freeablo :)
19:28 < _michal> Kaljakoppa: :)
19:29 < _michal> but it will probably long way until it will be playable
19:30 < Kaljakoppa> It seems it is an old project
19:30 < Kaljakoppa> May 5, 2013 first commit
19:31 < _michal> last release v0.3 [5 Aug 2015]
19:35 < Kaljakoppa> But it seems to have the basics done
19:36 < _michal> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwGktV5_N4g
19:37 < _michal> here's some video from 0.3
19:38 < _michal> another https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiTWCa1z6fs
19:39 < Kaljakoppa> Similar stage perhaps as OpenKeeper
19:40 <@JonnyH> look at them, strutting around with their 'relatively recent progress videos'
19:40 <@JonnyH> making me feel bad
19:41 < Kaljakoppa> What happened to Istrebitel etc.?
19:41 <@JonnyH> not seen them in a while..
19:41 < Kaljakoppa> :/
19:41 < _michal> he workend on battlescape?
19:42 <@JonnyH> I fear the lack of feedback from me and being unable to help do the 'supporting' code discourages people sticking around
19:42 < Kaljakoppa> The same with us
19:43 < Kaljakoppa> No documentation
19:43 < Kaljakoppa> And everytime someone is interested and requires knowledge, too tired to give i
19:43 < Kaljakoppa> t
19:43 <@JonnyH> this being (at best) priority 2 right not isn't great if people want to rely on my code :P
19:46 < SupSuper> hey it worked for openxcom. sorta :p
19:51 <@JonnyH> At this rate it'll be a nice retirement project
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23:32 < TheSnide> JonnyH: what i experienced is that giving ppl an *easy* way to build and contribute leads to more contributions
23:32 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: Yeah, I *want* to make it easier
23:32 < TheSnide> more contribs not always translate to usable contribs, note it
23:32 <@JonnyH> But I don't really know what would be the best path to that
23:33 < TheSnide> but statistically, it should ;)
23:33 <@JonnyH> any suggestions would be welcome :)
23:33 < TheSnide> JonnyH: it might contradict your #1 goel ;-p
23:33 < TheSnide> goal*
23:33 < SupSuper> i'm in too deep to know how hard it is to set up for newcomers :p
23:34 < SupSuper> possibly some more public-facing "what we need / what you need"?
23:34 < TheSnide> SupSuper: i tried quite hard to contrib. but as i'm less than average, i didnt really managed
23:36 < TheSnide> spent way too much timw to have something that compiles
23:36 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: I think we only accept below-average people here :P
23:36 < TheSnide> and at then end time-over
23:37 < TheSnide> which was depressing. and i moved to something else.
23:37 <@JonnyH> I thought the number of steps from checkout-to-working-build was pretty low
23:37 <@JonnyH> Maybe those steps need clarifying :P
23:37 < TheSnide> it is. if you happen to have the exactly right setup ;)
23:37 < TheSnide> which is. yours. ;)
23:38 <@JonnyH> I tried to avoid needing 'dependencies' packages (outside of version control) or compiler-version-specific .lib files
23:38 < TheSnide> i didnt spent time for compiling. just for having deps right
23:38 <@JonnyH> I suspect half the problem is that for the github client on windows "kinda sucks" WRT submodules...
23:38 < TheSnide> hence my vagrant approach
23:39 < SupSuper> githuc client on windows "kinda sucks" period :p
23:39 < TheSnide> windows kinda sucks.
23:39 < TheSnide> but that's just me
23:39 <@JonnyH> if everything checks out OK there *should* be no extra dependencies needed - the submodules should be linked up, and msvc should just magically pull in nuget packages
23:39 <@JonnyH> but linux packages are by definition platform-specific...
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23:39 < TheSnide> msvc *is* a pita.
23:40 < SupSuper> works for me :p
23:40 <@JonnyH> TBH I just use msbuild...
23:40 <@JonnyH> as most of the time I'm only testing the build on something I've actually written in vim :P
23:40 < TheSnide> huhu
23:40 < SupSuper> granted you have to know the common catches of windows dev, much like you would when working on linux
23:40 < SupSuper> on windows it's "how do i get the dependencies, where do i put them, and where are all the related project properties"
23:41 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Yeah, not really *knowing* the platform means you sometimes approach things from an unusual direction
23:41 < SupSuper> in linux it's "what packages do i need, what paths do i need, what versions do i need"
23:41 <@JonnyH> and not sure what's "Commonly done and therefore already known" vs "CRAZY SOLUTION FROM PLANET X"
23:41 < TheSnide> every multi platform dev i did recently was unix-first. then just port it to win
23:42 <@JonnyH> probably as windows-only guys don't think of cross-platform much? :P
23:42 < SupSuper> well the problem is everything c++ is "CRAZY SOLUTION FROM PLANET X"
23:42 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: and things go out of date too
23:42 < TheSnide> settling on only *recent* compiler is fun. for the orig author
23:42 < SupSuper> cmake on windows can't fetch dependencies, msvc on windows can't have any dependency standards, etc
23:43 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: But the msvc team is writing a cmake-based framework to allow fetching dependencies etc. on windows
23:43 < SupSuper> this is why for openxcom the instructions are just "1. get this zip of all the dependencies on all the expected paths 2. compile msvc 3. tada!"
23:43 < TheSnide> note i'm not saying you should change anything. juat explaining
23:43 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: I wanted to make it "Git clone; git subodule update; build"
23:43 < SupSuper> JonnyH: yeah. but then you're gonna have to tell people "hey you need to get this msvc and this framework and" :p
23:43 <@JonnyH> it *kinda* mostly is...
23:44 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: but if it's being done by the msvc team, maybe it'll ship as part of it Soon (tm)?
23:44 < SupSuper> we'll see, new msvc is coming out next week, i'll play around with it
23:44 <@JonnyH> that's one reason I didn't really like the qt msvc integration
23:44 < TheSnide> SupSuper: which makes it *easy*. ugly but easy
23:44 <@JonnyH> *requiring* a plugin to build a project is crazy to my mind
23:44 < SupSuper> but if you can't count on nuget i dunno how other frameworks will help. your dependencies are pretty non-standard
23:45 < TheSnide> what deps do you have ?
23:45 < SupSuper> TheSnide: yeah, at the end of the day having a really nice build process. but just dropping in something that *works* is also nice
23:45 < TheSnide> what deps could you _remove_ ?
23:45 < SupSuper> like over on #openxcom we get much more support requests on building on linux than building on windows
23:46 < TheSnide> which deps is the most PITA ?
23:46  * TheSnide has hia idea
23:46 < TheSnide> his*
23:46 < SupSuper> well apparently submodules are a problem?
23:46 < TheSnide> having binaries to DL would also be nice
23:47 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: the problem with binaries is that you *have* to then have a specific version of the compiler
23:47 < TheSnide> i mean, who wants to setup the whole atuff juat to have a little fun
23:47 < TheSnide> ship a .msi or whatever
23:48 < TheSnide> with the *game*
23:48 <@JonnyH> you mean like the .zip out of appveyor?
23:48 < TheSnide> let ppl enjoy it. then dream about enhancing it
23:48 < TheSnide> then suffering.
23:48 <@JonnyH> not an installer, but a 'portable' verison
23:48 < TheSnide> do not start by suffering
23:49 <@JonnyH> just extract, copy in cd.iso, run
23:49 < TheSnide> yup
23:49 < TheSnide> fills the "whatever" requirement ;)
23:49 <@JonnyH> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/JonnyH/openapoc/build/0.0.981/job/iiby0mhu3o73827j/artifacts
23:49 < TheSnide> and for osx and linux ?
23:49 < SupSuper> JonnyH: does building on linux also need submodules or are dependencies fetched some other way?
23:49 < TheSnide> (sorry)
23:50 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: submodules are also used
23:50 <@JonnyH> we *could* have an osx binary
23:50 < SupSuper> hmm but i guess cmake can just run git for you
23:50 <@JonnyH> but for linux we'll need a per-distro build
23:50 < TheSnide> JonnyH: target debian/ubuntu
23:50 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: I see submodules as 'part of the code', not part of the build
23:50 <@JonnyH> so I don't want the buildsystem changing the code behind my back
23:50 < SupSuper> right
23:51 < TheSnide> the rest do not care (arch gentoo and so on)
23:51 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: I have a gentoo ebuild
23:51 <@JonnyH> what more do you want? :P
23:51 < SupSuper> i'm just thinking if most git stuff sucks at submodules, either we don't use them or have some batch or whatever that makes sure to use them right
23:51 <@JonnyH> I've seen a number of projects with an "update-source.sh" script or someting
23:51 <@JonnyH> that checks the submodule state and resets as needed
23:51 < SupSuper> i still don't get why you'd use submodules for fixed dependencies
23:52 < TheSnide> +1 to setup.sh
23:52 <@JonnyH> as opposed to what?
23:52 <@JonnyH> checking in the source directly?
23:52 < SupSuper> are they only available via source? no binaries or packages or whatever?
23:52 < SupSuper> like boost/etc
23:52 <@JonnyH> boost isn't in the submodule list
23:52 < TheSnide> physfs is a PITA to me
23:53 <@JonnyH> physfs unfortunately is patched from upstraem
23:53 < SupSuper> yeah that's what i mean. why do some deps come via nuget/package/whatever and others via submodules?
23:53 <@JonnyH> so it likely won't work with a 'distro' copy
23:53 < TheSnide> can't you ask for a "cp"
23:53 < TheSnide> but an iso ?
23:53 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Single-header or modified libraries are in the dependencies/
23:53 <@JonnyH> plus libsmacker, as nothing packages it
23:53 < TheSnide> i mean. you do *not* care about the ISO, just the files, right ?
23:54 < TheSnide> libsmaker is stack prot ?
23:54 <@JonnyH> when I say 'iso' a directory or file would be read correctly
23:54 <@JonnyH> libsmacker is a decoder for .smk videos
23:54 < SupSuper> i guess the moral is more dependencies always make building harder
23:54 < TheSnide> make it optional
23:54 < SupSuper> if we can cut down on them in the future might help
23:54 < SupSuper> managing to get all the platforms working via cmake in the future might also help
23:54 <@JonnyH> most of them are part of 'our' build
23:54 < TheSnide> i do *not* care about those vids when i dev
23:55 <@JonnyH> but the're kept in a differernt source git
23:55 < SupSuper> i don't wanna encourage NIH though :p
23:55 <@JonnyH> we could just check-in the sources files
23:55 <@JonnyH> if you don't want submodules
23:55 <@JonnyH> I was a little worried that would make the source less-discoverable
23:55 < TheSnide> what's the minimal setup to do battlescape dev ?
23:55 <@JonnyH> (IE the history on miniz.h would be "Import version x.y" instead of the actual history)
23:56 < TheSnide> just an example
23:56 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: Really, the only thing you could even think of dropping would be libsmacker
23:56 < TheSnide> have the smk converted to mp4
23:56 <@JonnyH> the others are 'core'
23:56 <@JonnyH> and libsmacker is simple 'clean' C
23:57 < TheSnide> think about *removing* all deps
23:57 <@JonnyH> we could pull in out own physfs equivalent and push a VFS-style api into framework
23:57 < SupSuper> TheSnide: now you're just adding other preparation steps :p
23:57 < TheSnide> i _know_ that it will remove featurea
23:57 <@JonnyH> we already do half of that, what with the IFile/cue backends effectively slowly changing half of the physfs code already...
23:57 < SupSuper> rip the iso, rip the videos, rip the audio
23:58 <@JonnyH> plus multiple different configuations is something I want to avoid
23:58 < TheSnide> SupSuper: rip the iso ia just "insert cd and do a file copy"
23:58 <@JonnyH> I don't want #if ENABLE_VIDEOS... #else... #endif
23:58 < SupSuper> anyways i think we're getting sidetracked
23:58 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: we use physfs for file abstraction solely to read .zip/.iso/directories with the 'same' api
23:59 < TheSnide> JonnyH: i know.
23:59 <@JonnyH> If people don't like submodules, I think the better solution would just be to import the code in dependnecies/ into our core
23:59 <@JonnyH> then the system dependencies will become: libsdl2, libboost
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00:00 < TheSnide> which feels much more manageable
00:00 <@JonnyH> we *could* pull them into the repo as well, but they are commonly packaged system libs and not modified by us in any way
00:00 < SupSuper> tearing stuff up will just create more work. if you really want people to just drop in and try it, have a zip with as much set up as possible
00:00 <@JonnyH> but that's functionally the same, the only difference is "submodules"
00:00 < TheSnide> submodules is no.issue
00:00 < TheSnide> just provide a .bat and a
00:00 < TheSnide> .ah
00:00 < TheSnide> .sh
00:01 <@JonnyH> then we don't need to change the repository at all
00:01 < TheSnide> ppl do not read
00:01 < TheSnide> they just do
00:01 < TheSnide> cuel github/projet/install.sh | sh
00:01 <@JonnyH> just add a script that does "git submodule init; git submodule update -f"
00:01 < TheSnide> curl*
00:02 < TheSnide> which is outright scary
00:02 < TheSnide> but that is a fact
00:02 <@JonnyH> TheSnide: That's much too tempting to not add a "echo something_nasty >> ~/.bashrc"
00:03 < TheSnide> indeed. but hey.
00:03 < TheSnide> you know. ppl.
00:03 < TheSnide> even. #ppl
00:03 < TheSnide> ;)
00:08 < TheSnide> anyway. sleeping time here
00:08 < TheSnide> byby
00:08 <@JonnyH> night
00:09 <@JonnyH> I'll update the README.md anyway
00:09 < TheSnide> thx !
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01:04 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vyIeA
01:04 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0521f0c Jonathan Hamilton: Update the README.md build instructions
01:04 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3eb79ea Jonathan Hamilton: Remove some now-unnecessary travis-ci commands
01:04 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 492bbc0 Jonathan Hamilton: Use the local glm in cmake builds
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16:12 < _michal> JonnyH`Work: do you reddit?
16:20 <@JonnyH`Work> at times
16:21 < _michal> i was thinking about fresh blood for openapoc, maybe writing about it on /r/gamedev could bring someone? there are shitload of c++ devs there
16:21 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe?
16:21 <@JonnyH`Work> If I ever get around to another dev progress video it might be an excuse to cast the net :P
16:23 < _michal> i think it couldn't hurt, in worst case ppl will just ignore it ;)
16:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably after next month
16:24 <@JonnyH`Work> no point going "Come Join Us! Oh, by the way, I'm on holiday for the 3 weeks, no have fun on your own!"
16:24 < _michal> good idea
16:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I had a bit of a cleanup of the readme last night too
16:25 <@JonnyH`Work> there were some steps in the 'build instructions' that are no longer needed
16:29 < _michal> buidling instrucion seems pretty straightforward :)
16:29 < _michal> i will try to compile it in my virtualized lubuntu
16:43 < _michal> looks like i also need to install gettext
16:44 < _michal> hmm, i think i have problem with boost
16:46 < _michal> had to install also libboost-program-options-dev
16:46 < _michal> i'm compiling
17:08 < _michal> ok, i can't compile it without iso image :P i don't have apocalypse
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> you can also use the gog.com cue/bin files
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> or just an extracted directory with the files in
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> if any of those are available...
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> or this:
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/cd_minimal.iso.xz
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> is a cut-down hacked up version
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> where it's not enough to "play", but just enough to build
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18:02 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyLPM
18:02 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2d9b317 Jonathan Hamilton: Add boost-program-options dependency to readme
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18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and thanks, I forgot program-options
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I might also try to have an osx section
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> but my only testing is on travis-ci right now
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and that might not be the same as a 'vanilla osx' setup
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> so may miss steps...
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18:56 < _michal> JonnyH`Work: i've downloaded your iso
18:56 < _michal> looks like make compiled everything
18:56 < _michal> end extracted
18:56 < _michal> but i can't run it
18:56 < _michal> under bin there is no data folder - should it copy it?
18:56 < _michal> i've make symlink, still doesn't start
18:58 < _michal> i've run it from main directory
18:58 < _michal> ./build/bin/OpenApoc
18:59 < _michal> it started, but looks like i have problems with gl under virtualbox
18:59 < _michal> anyway, compilation instruction doesn't have any problems
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19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> that cd.iso won't be enough to run
19:12 < _michal> well i just need to buy apoc on steam ;)
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> it's *just enough* to get the build and automated tests working
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> or gog.com
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Or find a cd :)
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not really "abandonware" as they're still selling it
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> so I don't want to 'ship' something I don't have the rights to
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, we removed the copy as part of the build target
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> so it no longer copies the data/ folder to ${CMAKE_BINARY_DIR}/bin/data
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> as it didn't work if you modified anything in the data (IE it wouldn't re-copy)
19:14 < _michal> i don't understand why link didn't work
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> so just running it from the repository root should be fine
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I've updated the readme with that
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm... Maybe physfs doesn't like symlinks?
19:15 < _michal> i'm in build/bin and have data symlink
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> We use it's vfs, and I assume it stats the file to see if it's a directory or an .iso or .zip or something
19:15 < _michal> doesn't work
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe that doesn't handle symlinks
19:15 < _michal> let me try copying it
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> just run ./build/bin/OpenApoc
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> from the root of the reporistory should work
19:15 < _michal> copying work
19:15 < _michal> that's strange
19:15 < _michal> i thought symlinks are transparent and every program should work
19:17 < _michal> yeah, running from man path works too
19:17 < _michal> anyway, i have problem with renderer
19:17 < _michal> gl doesn't work in virtualbox
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> "./OpenApoc --Framework.Data=/path/to/data --Framework.CD=/path/to/cd.iso" should also work
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> we *require* gl
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> a sw renderer would be much too slow at high res
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> It's not really a prority to add sw support
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> as most 'real' users will have either gl passthrough in their vm, or a real gl implementation
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> It'll probably work with swrast/llvmpipe
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> but it might be *slow*
19:30 < _michal> ok, i had to restart vbox, gl works :)
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19:47 < _michal> JonnyH`Work: how to use xcom.bin from gog?
19:47 < _michal> where to copy it?
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I think you point Framework.CD to the cue file
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> and have the .bin in the same directory
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> as the default for Framework.CD is "data/cd.iso" renaming the .cue to cd.iso might work?
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> or does it use the file extension to tell what type it is...
19:50 < _michal> i've used Framework.CD and pointed it to cue
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> does that work?
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> it seems to be fine here
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> but there might be small differences..
19:50 < _michal> it works
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW there's a settings file that can store all the default to these options
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> in ~/.local/share/OpenApoc/settings.conf
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> in a ini-file like format
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. setting Framework.CD:
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> you'd have a line:
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> [Framework]
19:51 <@JonnyH`Work> CD=/home/whjatever/path/to/cd.iso
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> At first run we might pop up a dialog saying 'select your cd' so it's a bit more user-friendly
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> but until then we assume people can either run with cmdline args or edit a text file
19:54 < _michal> wtf i've just did? i've run x:com apocalypse under wine under virtualbox and i'm seeing dos4gw, so it launched dosbox? :D
19:55 < _michal> dosbox -> wine -> virtualbox ? :)
19:56 < _michal> anyway, openapoc works
19:57 < _michal> very slowly (over 100 % cpu usage) but works
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20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> with software gl?
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> as that's probably the limit right now
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> unless vbox slows down the cpu that much :)
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> if you want to do any performance stuff --Trace.enable=1
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> will create a json that can be opened with chrome's about:tracing
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> though don't play too long, the log is *Very* verbose and chrome doesn't like too many events :P
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18:00 < TheSnide> hi all. resuming some dev tonight ;)
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18:31 < Kaljakoppa> +1
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17:51 < Istrebitel> Hmm... so silent here recently
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19:27 < Istrebitel> Hey JonnyH! Check forums when you have spare time
19:29 <@JonnyH> yeah, it can't deal with inheritance right now...
19:29 <@JonnyH> Perhaps we could fix that with using virtual functions...
19:29 < SupSuper> btw JonnyH you still visiting? :p
19:29 <@JonnyH> visiting what?
19:30 <@JonnyH> Oh, yeah, I should be in Lisbon... some time
19:30 <@JonnyH> I'm leaving it up to my brother to organize
19:30 <@JonnyH> which might be a mistake...
19:34 < SupSuper> lol
19:35 <@JonnyH> some time before 26th, but after 18th
19:35 <@JonnyH> as I have to be back in LHR for a flight on 26th, and going to a friends wedding on 18th in the UK
19:35 <@JonnyH> outside of that I've let him deal with it... I'll ask though :)
19:37 <@JonnyH> I think the plan is to train down through Eurotunnel/France/Spain
19:37 <@JonnyH> then fly back on the day of my flight to LHR
19:38 < SupSuper> good luck
19:38 <@JonnyH> I might need it
19:44 <@JonnyH> as for Istrebitel: I don't know of an 'easy' way of solving that
19:44 <@JonnyH> perhaps only adding the subclasses to the gamestate_serialize.xml
19:44 <@JonnyH> and having your own hand-written superclass version
19:44 <@JonnyH> that does dynamic_cast/whatever and calls the generated subclass one
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20:05 <@JonnyH> ugh, just had to spend $600 on new tires for my car too...
20:47 < frumple> six hundred?
20:48 < frumple> you get a lap dance and a REALLY cold beer with that?
20:49 <@JonnyH> fancy low profile tires I guess :P
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20:54 <@JonnyH> and I'm british... Why would you want to *chill* beer? It just stops you being able to taste it
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21:17 < frumple> most of the time that's a good thing actually...
21:18 <@JonnyH> :P
21:18 <@JonnyH> I'm afraid I'm "One Of Those" - used to help out running beer festivals etc.
21:18 < frumple> idk, if it's meant to be served cold, serve it cold. if it's supposed to be room temperature, then so be it.
21:19 <@JonnyH> Most 'british' non-lagers are means to be cellar-cool
21:19 < frumple> as long as it tastes good served the way it, i'm fine.
21:19 <@JonnyH> so below room temp, but not "chilled", maybe 10 degrees or so?
21:19 < frumple> that's not what i would call warm
21:20 <@JonnyH> No, "warm beer" never existed in the UK really, it's a weird meme that has sprouted up for some reason
21:20 < frumple> that's practically refridgerated
21:20 <@JonnyH> I see chilled as maybe 3-5 degrees? So a fair bit warmer
21:20 <@JonnyH> not certainly not "warm" :P
21:20 < frumple> that's close to freezing, so definitely cold
21:21 <@JonnyH> You order a "chilled lager" and that's probably close to what you get
21:21 <@JonnyH> nice on a hot summers day :)
21:21 < frumple> on a hot day it would warm up quickly
21:21 < frumple> though "hot" is probably relative ^^
21:21 <@JonnyH> You're not drinking fast enough then! :P
21:21 <@JonnyH> Hot summers day is at most 30 in the UK really
21:21 <@JonnyH> and that's pretty rare
21:22 < frumple> yeah, that's what i was going for
21:22 <@JonnyH> ugh, I ordered a new cpu
21:22 < frumple> 40+ can go suck it's own ass... :(
21:22 <@JonnyH> but the motherboard has got delayed so it's completely useless...
21:22 <@JonnyH> Yeah, it's often quite a bit warmer than the UK here (I moved to the bay area california)
21:22 < frumple> at that point i think i'd rather drink hot tea than cold beer
21:22 <@JonnyH> and I don't think I like it...
21:23 < frumple> i don't like hot weather at all
21:23 < frumple> fine for lying on a beach or swimming, but just doing normal stuff? ugh
21:24 < frumple> sleeping in a puddle :(
21:24 <@JonnyH> you *occasionally* got a day nearly that bad in the UK
21:24 < frumple> something else i wanted to mention about beer, i like dark ale and most beer drinkers i know hate the stuff.
21:24 <@JonnyH> it's awful caus it's always humid, and (nearly) nobody has ac
21:25 <@JonnyH> Yeah, the bay area has an obsession for MOAR HOPS IPA!
21:25 <@JonnyH> and I don't really like that...
21:25 < frumple> The UK is pretty decent weather wise. Could use more snow i guess. :)
21:25 < frumple> But nice otherwise
21:25 <@JonnyH> It's pretty moderated being an island, the highs aren't too high, the lows aren't too low
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17:07 < Istrebitel> Btw, JonnyH, maybe you could give me access to whatever resource that we use to post updates currently (openapoc.org? facebook page?) so I could upload videos like this https://youtu.be/l_z6YfNbvyU ?
17:27 < Kaljakoppa> Nice job Istrebitel
17:35 < Istrebitel> I already have a plan to make a "hardcore" ai
17:35 < Istrebitel> one that, for example, uses teleporter to get behind your back, drop every explosive in inventory primed to explode ASAP, then fires you point blank with auto shot disruptor
17:36 < Istrebitel> or just teleports behind your units, one alien at a time, and starts autofiring (priming all explosives in inventory so that when it dies, they drop and explode)
17:37 < Istrebitel> also drop a primed smoke as soon as more than 33% health damage is taken and run towards friendly unit furtherest away from enemy and closest to us
17:37 < Istrebitel> etc.
17:37 < Istrebitel> will be tons of fun :)
17:40 < Kaljakoppa> Maybe optional? If people want the ~vanilla behavior at default?
17:40 < Istrebitel> of course
17:40 < Istrebitel> after everything is done, as an option
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> �лек�ей �ндронов on facebook?
17:56 < Istrebitel> yep
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, I think I added you to the openapoc page there...
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> If not let me know as I've probably invited some random bloke with a similar name :)
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> The last couple of videos I pushed on my personal youtube...
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> but we do have an openapoc one too, I'll add you to that
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> and I'll start using that going forward too :)
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm. the link says "add new managers" but it doesn't seem to give me that option...
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> and I can't log into the openapoc@gmail.com 'parent' account as it hits an extra verification step
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> asking for "which city do I normally sign in from?"
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> which I don't know, it's not where I would expect (maybe it's Pmprog's hometown?)
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> does the los pathfinding always use the middle of each block in the path?
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. if pathing a whole squad will they all try to stand on top of each other?
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> I suppose we don't really care about that right now :)
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06:35 < Istrebitel> It's not pathing through, it pathing towards
06:36 < Istrebitel> Ex: We are in LB1, we need to go to X,Y which is in LB3, connected to LB1  by LB2
06:36 < Istrebitel> We path from LB1 to LB2, from LB2 to LB3, and then path to X,Y
06:37 < Istrebitel> When pathing to an LB, we path towards the block's center, and stop when entering the block.
06:37 < Istrebitel> So we got the path from start in LB1 towards LB2's center, ending hwen entering LB2, then from LB2's entrypoint towards LB3's center, ending when enetring LB3, and then from LB3 entrypoint to X,Y
06:38 < Istrebitel> It's still not optimal but I'll fix it later, for now it works as it allows to path from any point of the map to any point of the map with very little unefficiency and very quickly
06:40 < Istrebitel> BTW.... buttons are still broken, I thought you wanted to fixthem back in Nov?
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08:30 < TheSnide> Istrebitel: ai <3
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17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: buttons?
17:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I thought they *were* fixed...
18:11 < Istrebitel> Well
18:11 < Istrebitel> I merged from pmprog
18:12 < Istrebitel> if you look at my videos, you'll see theystay pushed
18:12 < Istrebitel> even after I push another button
18:12 < Istrebitel> that didn't happen before
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, broken here too...
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll look into it when I can
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> fixed
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> What's the point in non-trivial setting functions if you don't use them :P
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18:22 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vy0PZ
18:22 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9b3264d Jonathan Hamilton: Forms::RadioButton: Always set dirty flag when changing state...
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18:26 < Istrebitel> erm?
18:26 < Istrebitel> non-trivial?
18:26 < Istrebitel> what do you mean?
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> as in it actually does more than "this->value = newValue"
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. generates a 'deselect' event
18:27 < Pawlac> >if you look at my videos
18:27 < Pawlac> where?
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKeDxBxbkZRk_Wc1hQePgYw
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I *think* I linked them in my channel too
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> no idea if that pops up for subscribers though
18:28 < Pawlac> oh I haven't seen that one, very noice
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> '7 hours ago'... not exactly too far behind Pawlac :)
18:29 < Pawlac> ah yeah I've seen it now
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW Istrebitel with the serializeOut thing having a hand-written parent might be abit painful to handle the 'reference' value too
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. if the reference value is a different 'type' WTF do you do? :P
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been meaning to add 'commands' or somethign to the xml file format
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> like instead of the only options being 'append new' or 'modify existing' object
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> also add a delete/remove or something, or a 'reset existing to default and start from scratch again'
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19:58 < pmprog_laptop> Hi kids
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20:04 <@SupSuper> hey
20:04 <@pmprog_laptop> Hi SupSuper. How's things?
20:05 <@SupSuper> same boring :p you?
20:05 <@pmprog_laptop> Tired, but okay.
20:10 <@pmprog_laptop> It was funny that Istrebitel posted his vid to Facebook a minute before I did. I hadn't set him up for posting, so I presume JonnyH`Work did that?
20:11 <@pmprog_laptop> Anyway, Produced some nice traffic to the page I think :)
20:13 <@SupSuper> no idea, didn't even know there was a new video
20:19 <@pmprog_laptop> There's a few
20:20 <@pmprog_laptop> Latest 3 - https://www.youtube.com/user/IstrebitelQzar/videos
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20:26 <@SupSuper> we're gonna have more battlescape than game at this rate
20:27 <@SupSuper> granted what else matters :p
20:29 <@pmprog_laptop> What else indeed :)
20:42 <@pmprog_laptop> Gotta go. Laters
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21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I added him to facebook
21:02 <@JonnyH`Work> wait... hes gone... :(
21:26 <@SupSuper> oh hey vs2017 is out
21:26 <@SupSuper> wonder if it upgrades from rc
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> you can upgrade windows apps?
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> I just reformat every time something new comes out...
21:27 <@SupSuper> :p
21:27 <@SupSuper> well i avoided the old vs versions so i wouldn't litter my windows install with all the forced crud
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> you mean you don't want 20 versions of ".net components for microsoft sql server lite"?
21:28 <@SupSuper> oh ok there is a built-in update, that's nice
21:28 <@SupSuper> it always scares me how the installer auto-detects language though. i don't want my code in portuguese...
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> pipe your code through translate.google.com as a git checkout/checkin script
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> then you always have it in your local language... perfect!
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work>  /s
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21:36 <@SupSuper> https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/news/releasenotes/vs2017-relnotes world's longest changelog
21:38 <@SupSuper> i'll let you know if the STL performance improvements actually impact openapoc :p
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> probably not
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's mostly debug performance
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> which I suspect isn't really high priority :P
21:47 <@SupSuper> send them openapoc as a challenge
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> and to make it 'fast' you need more than a few % here and there
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21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> My biggest confusion was the massive difference between gcc 'debug' and msvc 'debug'
21:58 < SupSuper> talk about granular, you can even uninstall "help"
21:59 < SupSuper> real coders are beyond help! (tbf i haven't looked at a help file in years)
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> man pages + headers for me
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I still have to occasionally lookup the args for some posix stuff
22:00 < SupSuper> i know they were playing around with some built-in api/man lookup help but i never tried it
22:00 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH the preview of the header declaration (And maybe the preceding comment) is enough 90% of the time
22:04 < SupSuper> wow they changed the icon
22:05 <@JonnyH`Work> *literally unusable*
22:05 < SupSuper> http://i.imgur.com/sWCdSFS.png i bet that dash took thousands of marketing man-hours
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably cost nearly as much as when they CAPITALISED the menus
22:08 < SupSuper> http://i.imgur.com/zSKzIQh.png that can't be good
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> The error reporter encountered and error and must be closed
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> or did you do somethign like "#define if @@ $%#$%"
22:09 < SupSuper> apparently all the win32 headers vanished?
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> the biggest problem I had was intellisense used a different parser to the compiler, and sometimes barfed on templates that compiled ok
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> you mean you've not moved to UWP?
22:10 < SupSuper> i've had that happen with resharper
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> It's almost as if you want to support a version of windows older than 10 or something
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Or even don't want to rewrite your whole app every time the wind changed in redmond
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm just glad they tend to keep their sdk well supported and up to date
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> After porting to their stongly promoted universal platform we don't have to worry about future compability
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> since moving to silverlight we can avoud that future work!
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work>  /s
22:12 < SupSuper> it's easier to make something brand new than have to be backwards compatible :p
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> windows seems to ahve 2 options:
22:13 < SupSuper> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/#pivot=workloads&panel=windows i like how these all look the same but one has a c++ icon!
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> win32 (stable since forever, hugh engineering works to make sure new versions of windows don't break it, rather old wonkey old api)
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> or "FANCY NEW THING WOW!" that'll be deprecated tomorrow and abandoned the day after
22:14 < SupSuper> well if i was a programmer i'd pick the second one too :p
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I tried to uninstall the vs15 preview on my laptop (as the community version license doesn't fit with installing it on a work machine)
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> but the uninstaller crashes :(
22:19 < SupSuper> time for the cleanup tool!
22:19 <@JonnyH`Work> there a tool to cleanup the cleaup tool too?
22:19 < SupSuper> https://github.com/Microsoft/VisualStudioUninstaller
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> released version only supports up to 2015 :(
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I could build it myself, as master claims to support 'vnext
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> ..but to do that I'd need a working visual studio
22:21 < SupSuper> you could try just installing the rtm and seeing if that fixes it
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't as I cannot agreee with the license :P
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll give that uninstaller a go anyway
22:23 < SupSuper> well it comes with its own installer so maybe the new installer will uninstall properly?
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> as despite the docs there are *some* vs15 references in the code at the released version
22:23 < SupSuper> pretty sure the "edition" is just whatever's tied to your microsoft account anyways
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> can I install the installer without installing agreeing with the community edition license?
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus the non-community link asks for an account to login
22:24 < SupSuper> only one way to find out!
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> that uninstaller *has* found 141 packages to remove...
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe it will work after all?
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> ..or does that just mean it had 141 packages total it is looking for? IE not implying they're installed
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> if so it's taking a *long* time to decide they aren't there
22:27 < SupSuper> well at least opening openapoc on vs2017 is much faster, since it only loads projects on demand
22:27 < SupSuper> even faster if you just load the folder, but then cmake fails to find any dependencies :p
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22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah cmake assumes posix shell and all kinda
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> it doesn't handle if(WIN32)
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I could make it if there's interest
22:28 <@JonnyH`Work> but I went with 'most windows devs know msvc'
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> uninstaller finished, 15 preview still there
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> aagh screw licenses, I'll try installing the update to uninstall
22:30 < SupSuper> :p
22:30 < SupSuper> i might play around with the windows cmake if you'd rather not maintain all the vs projects anymore
22:31 < SupSuper> then we can require everyone to upgrade, again!
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> sure, go ahead
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> and we can also mandate more c++14 features too :D
22:31 < SupSuper> interesting how the vc++ runtime is not 15.0 but 14.1
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, stl made a big point of then *trying* to keep abi compat for new versions of vs when possible
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> off for a bit, need to sort out my car
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22:35 < SupSuper> aghhhhh why did they move the find&replace menu
22:38 < SupSuper> oh good now boost is farting out a million "unknown compiler version" messages
23:07 < SupSuper> Failed to parse options: "unrecognised option '--Framework.CD=D:\SupFiles\Coding Projects\OpenApoc\\data\cd.iso'"
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00:00 <@JonnyH> right, now im home I'll give it a go
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00:10 < mak_> в�ем дарова ру��кие разрабы е�ть?
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00:16 <@JonnyH> ok so my laptop is even worse
00:16 <@JonnyH> msvc 2015 won't open, it says "Can't run when setup is in progress"
00:16 <@JonnyH> this is a fresh boot, haven't yet tried installing or updating anything
00:16 < SupSuper> time for a format huh :p
00:17 <@JonnyH> Trying to uninstalling *anything* fails with the same message
00:17 < SupSuper> check for running processes?
00:18 <@JonnyH> there *are* a couple of "Microsoft visual studio community 2015 with updates" processes
00:18 <@JonnyH> 0 cpu, 0 disk
00:18 <@JonnyH> again freshly booted, not tried to start msvc on this boot
00:18 <@JonnyH> so they must be some startup command?
00:19 < SupSuper> possibly leftover "installer needs to restart" tasks
00:19 <@JonnyH> "secondaryinstaller.exe" just appeared with the msvc icon...
00:19 <@JonnyH> maybe it is actually doing something?
00:19 <@JonnyH> but this laptop had been on this morning, and I've not tried to install anything new yet
00:20 <@JonnyH> (maybe it was an auto windows update thing?)
00:20 <@JonnyH> and mak_: Sorry, I don't speak russian :)
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00:23 <@JonnyH> meh, I guess I'll leave it a couple of hours and hope whatever it's doing will be done...
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00:30 < SupSuper> done sending all your bad code to microsoft!!
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00:46 < makus> @Istrebitel tut?
00:46 < makus> Privet ja v slake napisal pro statju v random
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18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> tomics you say?
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> > Topic set by pmprog [~quassel@bcdd0598.skybroadband.com] [Fri Oct 30 14:28:39 2015]
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> it's almost a shame to see that die :P
18:25 <@pmprog> lol
18:26 <@pmprog> yeah, been a while since it was updated... 2015 no less!
18:26 <@pmprog> How's things going?
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> alright
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel seems to have done a couple of cool vids :D
18:27 <@pmprog> yeah, I guess you added him to the facebook page too? cos he posted 1 minute before I did :)
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I added him
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> seemed fine to me
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> more than earned his striped IMHO
18:28 <@pmprog> Yeah, not complaining :)
18:28 <@pmprog> It was just I posted the link, then people were liking this other one, and I was going "Huh? What's that?"
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> trying to think if I should take my laptop on holiday next week
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I *might* have a couple of days in the middle of nowhere at my parents house
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> but also don't want to lug it around half of europe
18:29 <@pmprog> Do they not have a computer that you could remote back to one at your place?
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe, but it'll be painful for any dev work :P
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH probaly easier to do it locally in a live usb or something
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, I also got one of those fancy new amd processors for my desktop
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I can now ignore any complaints about '
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> "Waa, the build is slow!"
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> with "Cannot reproduce" :P
18:31 <@pmprog> hehehe
18:31 <@JonnyH`Work> I just need to encourage the it dept at work it's a business need too
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, and as aside, I managed to get GPL licensed wsegl headers to the TI guys
18:32 <@JonnyH`Work> so *hopefully* we'll actually get an open-source wsegl backend for the pyra
18:33 <@JonnyH`Work> so we may be able to play with using the gc320/dss/other fancy stuff in tandem to the sgx "Soon"(tm)
18:33 <@pmprog> Nice one!
18:34 <@pmprog> Did you get a prototype? Or has ED contacted you about getting one?
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> not heard anything yet
18:35 <@JonnyH`Work> I must say the TI guys seem willing to put a lot of effort into this
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> either they're also doing it as a "personal" project, or they're hoping to pull this into non-pyra devices too
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> as no way 1000 or so omap5 sales could justify this :P
18:36 <@pmprog> Perhaps a few of them are interested in a Pyra... and if you hadn't noticed lately, there's a lot of other PDA type devices coming to the market
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> yup, shame theres not an omap6 though
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> a 14nm with a72 and a powervr series 7 would be pretty sweet
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> one good thing about the dri wsegl module is there really shouldn't be much TI-specific in it...
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> It should work with any sgx that has a dri3-supporting display device
18:38 <@pmprog> cool
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> (if you ignore the bit about supporting the extra omap hw)
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe I should ask ED directly...
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been avoiding it a bit, as I don't want to imply guaranteed results :P
18:49 <@pmprog> Well, if you're open about it from the start, I'm sure he'll either be okay with it, or decide to pick a different dev to send it to
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19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Oh, i played around with msvc2017 a bit
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> and it looks like they broke static constructors (again)
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20:03 <@pmprog> Meh, I don't even want to move to 2015... 2013 was a nice move from 2008, but 2015 takes donkeys years to load up! Though it is nice to consider Android in the same dev env as my Windows stuff... Shame WinForms doesn't run better in Linux/Mono though
20:15 <@pmprog> I'm off. Laters
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20:30 <@SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: oh?
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> it doesn't seem to run them :P
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> hence the configile whining about 'unknown options'
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> as it hasn't run the static constructor that tells it about the options
20:31 <@JonnyH`Work> It's probably something I'm doing slightly weird again :)
20:32 <@SupSuper> static constructors do sound pretty weird...
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug*
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> they're relatively commonly used for stuff like this...
20:32 <@JonnyH`Work> perhaps there's some weird option I set that doesn't translate well to the new cl.exe or something
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> or linker...
20:33 <@JonnyH`Work> or there's another different between main() and WinMain()
20:34 <@SupSuper> well i always thought c++ didn't have/need static classes
20:34 <@SupSuper> but i can have a look
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean static objects in files
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> so their constructors are run 'before' main()
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> not objects with static functions themselves
20:36 <@SupSuper> ah
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, I finally managed to get msvc2017 to install
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> by finding the .exe that was constantly running, delete it in safe mode, reboot and uninstall
20:45 <@SupSuper> hurray for windows?
20:46 <@SupSuper> vs2017 has been my smoothest install so far :p
20:46 <@SupSuper> granted it's on a fresh machine
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, other than the uninstaller crashing in exactly the same way on my other machine if you don't update
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> but that was my home one so it was fine using the community installer to install the update to remove it
20:47 <@SupSuper> shame pmprog isn't interested because vs is finally fast! i'd say vs2017 is a big a move as vs2013 was
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> you mean the editor?
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> or 'vs141 tools'?
20:48 <@SupSuper> the ide
20:48 <@SupSuper> hard to tell if compile times are better since this is c++ we're talking about :p
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I bet my vim is faster... but then again it probably does less too :P:
20:48  * JonnyH`Work looks at those announced 32core amd chips
20:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't need *both* kidneys, right?
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22:04 <@SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: debugging the extractor, seems some options are listed but not others?
22:05 <@JonnyH`Work> ...huh...
22:05 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe it's a link issue?
22:05 <@JonnyH`Work> Like objects with these static objects aren't being included if that's their only reference or something?
22:06 <@SupSuper> maybe. apparently these are the only options the extractor is picking up: http://i.imgur.com/ReuEroF.png
22:06 <@SupSuper> your options are pulled in from multiple static files?
22:06 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> like here:s Framework.ImageCacheSize: https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/framework/data.cpp#L30
22:07 <@SupSuper> hmm
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Trace.enable https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/framework/trace.cpp#L18
22:07 <@SupSuper> well if i put a breakpoint on framework.cpp's cdPathOption, it does get hit
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Framework.Data is missing https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/framework/framework.cpp#L56
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> all the framework.cpp ones are missing?
22:08 <@SupSuper> guess so
22:08 <@SupSuper> but it does run it: extractor.exe!`anonymous namespace'::`dynamic initializer for 'cdPathOption''() Line 58	C++
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Or is it order? they're bieng called before configfile.cpp's
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> which then resets it back to empty
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> then some others run adding those
22:09 <@SupSuper> i don't really know how configfile is set up, where would i debug that?
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/blob/master/framework/configfile.cpp#L26
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> that, the assumption that configInstance was bss
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> IE data, so would be initialised (to zero) before any code is run
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> so the first would create configInstance, and subsequent calls would return the same one
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> if the configInstance isn't a static chunk of data (IE needs actual code to setup)
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> it could:
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> Run Framework.cpp's ConfigFile constructors
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> they call configFile::getInstance() - the initial state of configInstance *happens* to be recognised as invalid, so a new Configfile is constructed
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> then configInstance's unique_ptr<> constructor is run, *resetting* it to empty initial state
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> then data.cpp's ConfigFile constructors run
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> they call getInstance, which is then creates a new ConfigFile
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> so anything before the 'reset' is lost...
22:12 <@SupSuper> i think you're on to something, configInstance.reset is being called twice
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I could possibly fix this by using a 'raw' pointer instead of a up<>
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> 'leaking' a ConfigFile isn't an issue really
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> as it'll only happen when the proram is closing anyway..
22:14 <@SupSuper> it first calls reset when pulling in the logger options, and then again when pulling in the tracer options
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, I bet if you put a breakpoint on the constructor for up<ConfigFile> it'll be run between the two
22:15 <@SupSuper> yuuuuuuuup
22:15 <@SupSuper> up<ConfigFile> is only constructed after the first bunch of options
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/26314adc5745c8f3e1992d6686247b28315b9eb4
22:15 <@JonnyH`Work> that fix it?
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect up<whatever> is initialised in the bss section (or whatever it's called in windows - "Global data initialised as zeros")
22:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Some constructors run, the first effectivey resetting the up<> from the initial 'undefined' state to containing a configfile
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> then the up<> constructor is run, that puts the up<> into a well-defined, but empty, initial state
22:17 <@JonnyH`Work> It just happens that it looks the same as (or at least up<>'s functions cope with) all members being memset(0)
22:18 <@SupSuper> well i can't breakpoint the variable anymore so i assume it's always implicitly initialized now
22:18 <@JonnyH`Work> the question was why 2017 behaves differently from 2015 - maybe they added a constructor for the up<> class the compiler can no longer eliminate
22:19 <@SupSuper> and yeah it works now
22:19 <@JonnyH`Work> or it always did, and it always was 'broken', it just happened to do it in the correct order :P
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I've rewritten that branch - pretend it never happened :P
22:20 <@SupSuper> c++: it's never a feature :P
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> no, it's always a feature
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> but never the feature you expect
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> In that branch I also moved the boost deps into a separate project
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I feel it's cleaner than randomly adding nuget packages to random libs until it happens to link
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. Library pulled in boost_locale
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> so I magically know that when Framework uses boost::locale
22:22 <@SupSuper> well if i get cmake working we can drop nuget altogether
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> it's fine and doesn't need it's own copy, as it pulls it in through Library
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, this maps slightly closer to cmake, isntead of Library effectively building in bits of boost
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> the boost libraries are stored as 'required libraries' and only linked into the final program targets
22:23 <@SupSuper> wow the extractor takes a long time since i last checked. probably shouldn't have used Debug
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> probably :P
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> It spends a worrying amount of time building strongs
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> *strings*
22:24 <@SupSuper> well i was debugging :P
22:24 <@SupSuper> seems to be the battle_map stuff
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> don't build the data project :P
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, for every tile for every map it runs ostream-based string creation
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> which doesn't like release mode, as it's jumping through lots of trivial fucntions
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> that in release can be inlined and completely removed as they map to nops
22:59 <@SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: fwiw debug performance does seem better
23:00 <@SupSuper> it's hell in the cityspace, but every other screen seems fine
23:01 <@SupSuper> loading still sucks though :p
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> try with trace?
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> then you can get numbers for loading
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> and per-frame
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18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog
18:12 <@pmprog> Hiya
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> I see Istrebitel's doing yet more good work :D
18:13 <@pmprog> Not had chance to look yet today
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Though I need to fix a few issues with the serialization code when dealing with subclass/superclasses
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I think for that I might take a step back and ask you/sup/istrebitel "How do you want it to look"?
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than chasing "cool" solutions and working backwards :P
18:31 <@pmprog> lol, asking me something? I don't even know what the codebase looks like any more :P
18:31 <@pmprog> I'm pretty much nothing more than a PR guy... and a bad one at that
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Start going to trade shows promoting openapoc then :P
18:41 < TheSnide> PR == pull req or Pub Relations ? ;(
18:41 < TheSnide> ;)
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Pub relations sounds like a nice job
18:43 < TheSnide> hehe
18:47 <@pmprog> Yes, that's a better title... I'm off for a beer
18:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm looking forward to being back in the UK next week and get 'proper' beer :D
18:53 < TheSnide> warmer you mean ?
18:55 <@pmprog> I'm thinking of refreshing my game framework. I don't know whether to build using SDL1.2, SDL2, or Allegro any more
18:55 <@Istrebitel> I wrote on forums JonnyH
18:56 <@Istrebitel> ah
18:56 <@Istrebitel> you replied
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> ;)
18:56 <@Istrebitel> if you could help me that would be appreciated
18:56 <@Istrebitel> i don't really understand wtf the error is
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I've not really tried to setup test_serialize on windows
18:56 <@Istrebitel> what this concurrency thing its, i can't even google it
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I will have a look this afternoon
18:56 <@Istrebitel> i mean, nothing found!
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect that's a 'bad error'
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> If you write your own serializeIn/serializeOut you also likely need to write your own operaotr==
18:57 <@Istrebitel> basically, as soon as I uncomment the "using namespace" string I get the error trying to compile the test_serialize project
18:57 <@Istrebitel> we;;
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> if you've done that it might be a bit more complex...
18:57 <@Istrebitel> I did
18:57 <@Istrebitel> ah
18:57 <@Istrebitel> ah
18:57 <@Istrebitel> i see
18:57 <@Istrebitel> i see what happened with test failing
18:57 <@Istrebitel> I made comparing operator to always return false because I didn't care for it to work properly for my classes!
18:58 <@Istrebitel> lol
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, that test relies on operator== being accurate
18:58 <@Istrebitel> okay that's sorted
18:58 <@Istrebitel> but why the error I dunno
18:58 <@Istrebitel> if you could get my version and test it on win that would be great
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> sure
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't till I get back from work though
18:59 <@JonnyH`Work> so probably tomorrow your time
19:01 <@Istrebitel> ok meanwhile i''ll remove the project i created from solution
19:01 <@Istrebitel> so it builds on windows and tests fine on travis
19:01 <@Istrebitel> btw
19:01 <@Istrebitel> if I have UnitAI &a can I cast it to something just by doing (VanillaUnitAI)a?
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> Try to use static_cast<> where possible
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> it's a bit more explicit than the C style casts
19:02 <@Istrebitel> hmm
19:02 <@Istrebitel> this doesnt work: auto castA = (LowMoraleUnitAI)a;
19:02 <@JonnyH`Work> (which are 'sometimes' static_cast, 'sometimes' reinterpret_cast, 'sometimes' const cast
19:03 <@Istrebitel> this either auto castA = static_cast<LowMoraleUnitAI>(a);
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe auto &castA = (LowMoraleUnitAI&)a;
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> casting to a different non-pointer non-reference type requires a copy
19:03 <@JonnyH`Work> that's probably not defined
19:03 <@Istrebitel> copy? but it's already of correct class, no?
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, as LowMoraleUnitAI is a class type, not a reference or pointer
19:04 <@Istrebitel> class B: public A; A &a = B(); isn't a holding type B?
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> it implies that castA is a copy of a
19:04 <@Istrebitel> so you can't cast non-pointer?
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> IE modifying castA shouldn't affect a
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> not really, it doesn't make sense
19:04 <@JonnyH`Work> as it thinks you're asking for a type conversion and a new object
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> not the same object but seeing it as a different type
19:05 <@Istrebitel> so what exactly happens when I say: sp<B> b; A &a = *b;?
19:05 <@Istrebitel> a should refer type B, no?
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> references are effectively pointers
19:05 <@Istrebitel> yes
19:05 <@Istrebitel> so a should point to class type B?
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> so A &a = *b; 
19:05 <@JonnyH`Work> 'a' should still point to the same object as *b
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> but "A a = *b" would cause b to be copied into a new object of type A
19:06 <@Istrebitel> naturally
19:06 <@Istrebitel> so, can I somehow convert a of type A& to a type B& without a copy?
19:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Yup, A& and A* should both be 'no copy'
19:07 <@Istrebitel> A& is a pointer, so it should b epossible, right?
19:07 <@Istrebitel> to convert A& to B&?
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> one thing to remember is a reference can never be null, so you can't use them to dynamic_cast<> (IE 'check if it's the right type, if it's not set it to nullptr')
19:09 <@Istrebitel> so how do I convert value of type A& to B&?
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> If you already know they're the same type, A& a = static_cast<A&>(b);
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> if you're not sure:
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> A* a = dynamic_cast<B*>(&b); if (!a) { // NOT A }
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> you can always make a reference from a pointer after that
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> A& refA = *a;
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> if you want to avoid -> or explicit dereferencing
19:11 <@Istrebitel> hmm
19:11 <@Istrebitel> cannot cast away const
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> const_cast<>
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> but you *really* shouldn't
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> if you want to modify something, it shouldn't have been market const
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> If you're not going to modify it, keep it const
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> you can do
19:12 <@Istrebitel> const_cast barfs too, cannot change type
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> const B &b = arg;
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> const auto &a = static_cast<const A&>(b);
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> which keeps the constness the same
19:13 <@Istrebitel> so what's the difference between static and dynamic?
19:14 < TheSnide> static is compile known ?
19:15 < TheSnide> never un-const things. it kills kitten
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> dynamic cast looks up type information at runtime
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> and so it's a query saying "Is this the correct type"?
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> while static_cast just assumes it's the delcared type and will break if it's not true
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. if I do:
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> class A;
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> class B : public A;
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> class C : public A;
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> and have "A a;"
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> B b; and C c;
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19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> dynamic_cast<B>(c); would return null
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's not the correct type
19:19 <@Istrebitel> so all that dynamic_cast gives is throwing error if you fail versus undefined behavior of static cast?
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> but static_cast<B>(c); would break the build
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> dynamic_Cast<> returns null on failure
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> which is why it can only be used for pointers not references
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> (as references 'may not be null')
19:21 <@Istrebitel> well documentation says it throws bad_cast for non-pointers
19:21 <@Istrebitel> so it can be used for refs actually
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> well, that makes sense :)
19:21 <@Istrebitel> anyways thanks, I have to go now
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I just normally use it for pointers as I dislike exceptions for 'normal flow control'
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> bye :)
19:21 <@Istrebitel> eferything's fixed now exccept that very weird bug
19:21 <@Istrebitel> with some unknown thing not found for == operator
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> the operator==<weird type>?
19:22 <@Istrebitel> yes and only in VS
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll try to look into it later
19:22 <@Istrebitel> it should work fine in Travis now I think, after I fixed the == operator
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> but no guarantee - I'll probably just go into a rant about how awful msvc is
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> then realise it was my fault all along
19:22 <@Istrebitel> oh yeah and about "ask Istreibtel how to do it"
19:22 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: you called? :p
19:23 <@Istrebitel> the way I did it I just have to manually write comparison for base classes, and manually write serializer/deserializer that checks a special type member and then transfers to derived class
19:23 <@Istrebitel> you can see how I did it
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> cool
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: http://openapoc.pmprog.co.uk/index.php?topic=149.msg1466#msg1466
19:23 <@Istrebitel> anything that requires less work, preferably without having to store an extra public variable, would be great
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> "What is Concurrency::details::_Task_impl<_ReturnType>, where did it come from?"
19:23 <@Istrebitel> storing public "type" is what is most problematic IMHO because thats just wrong...
19:23 <@Istrebitel> but also if I wouldn't have to write manual serialization and comparison for base types, that would be great too
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> well, in the xml you have to have *some* way of saying what type it is
19:24 <@Istrebitel> if that's at all possible I'd just save the "Class name" as a string
19:24 <@Istrebitel> and read it
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> and the serailziation code assumes all stored values have a member in the class somewhere
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I see that as functionally the same thing :P
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> You could use a string isntead of enum
19:24 <@Istrebitel> so the codegen could generate code that just types class name as string
19:24 <@Istrebitel> to save
19:24 <@Istrebitel> and when load reads it and compares
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> then that'll probably break as different compilers mangle class names differently
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> so a save on windows won't load in linux
19:25 <@Istrebitel> but you would do it in a cout in your code
19:25 <@Istrebitel> the cpp file would not have any mangling
19:25 <@Istrebitel> the cpp file would contain generated switch statement and string literals
19:25 <@JonnyH`Work> you'll still need a big table/switch of string->'class' mappings
19:25 <@Istrebitel> well yes code generator would do that
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> it *could* be generated, yes
19:26 <@Istrebitel> well that's my idea anyway maybe you'll do better
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> #include <clang.hpp> :P
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been trying to avoid that
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> but it may end up being the best idea, rather than funny xml files etc.
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> instead generate the serialziation code from the code itself...
19:27 <@JonnyH`Work> and it can handle more complex relations (like subclasses)
19:35 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: i'm guessing overriding the operators for all smart pointers is a bad idea?
19:36 <@Istrebitel> (to further clarify, my idea is use dynamic_cast to find derived type when OUT, and write string consts that are literals written in by codegen, when doing IN we read the node with the const and then compare to literals written in by codegen, and thus find out the type)
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: that sound good
19:42 <@Istrebitel> (and then just add another marker like "External" one that marks classes that require this functionality)
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> 'anything' with a subclass would need this right?
19:43 <@JonnyH`Work> If this becomes a better solution, I could move (for example) the vehicle mission stuff out of a single megaclass implementing all behaviours
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07:07 < TheSnide> yu
07:08 < TheSnide> speaking about xml <-> c++ class mapping ?
07:09 < TheSnide> i usually indeed do a generated class that does the mapping in the build process
07:10 < TheSnide> via #include "generated_parser_myclass.inc.cpp"
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17:08 <@JonnyH`Work> TheSnide: that's effectively what we're doing - generating code from a (simple-ish) definition for serialization
17:09 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's a custom tool that doesn't support everything (like dynamic inheritance)
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20:13 <@pmprog> Bah, std::thread is a nightmare :(
20:16 <@JonnyH`Work> what weird about it?
20:16 < SupSuper> what isn't weird about threads? :p
20:20 <@pmprog> I'm trying to pass a class by ref to a thread, and the string is going in fine, but corrupt inside the thread
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Is the original string object guaranteed to be alive when the thread reads it's reference?
20:22 <@pmprog> As far as I can tell the object I'm passing is constructed via a new(), and the reference is also being stored in a list
20:25 <@pmprog> https://gist.github.com/pmprog/fced238c721c03ebe8aee6cc11f1775f
20:27 <@pmprog> Line 57 creates the class, and it's passed to the thread on 66; and by line 89, I can't read it
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> do you want std::ref(*di)?
20:28 <@pmprog> If I do that, then the compiler goes nuts about type names
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> wait...no...you don't need stD::ref there
20:28 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's already a pointer?
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> and DownloadPage() takes a pointer?
20:29 <@JonnyH`Work> You're taking a ref of a pointer, ending up with a pointer-to-the-pointer?
20:29 <@pmprog> but it says on the cppreference site you need to use std::ref
20:29 <@pmprog> /usr/include/c++/4.8/functional|1697|error: no type named ‘type’ in ‘class std::result_of<std::_Mem_fn<void* (DownloadController::*)(DownloadInformation*)>(DownloadController*, std::reference_wrapper<DownloadInformation>)>’|
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> You need to take std::ref(arG)
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> if the arg was a Type&
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> not a Type*
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> as the arguments are copied into the thread constructor
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> so that's fine for a pointer, a reference will break
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> so it needs to be wrapped
20:33 <@pmprog> Okay, got it sorted now. thanks... Now to spend 20 years cleaning up the hacky debugging strings I put in
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12:04 <@Istrebitel> Maybe we should update openapoc.org? At least post an update that further updates are posted on the FB page?
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13:49 <@pmprog> JonnyH`Away: When you wake up, can you read the messages in Facebook from Max Ankor (Makus), and let me know what you think?
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21:19 <@JonnyH> pmprog: Sure, if it's a 'better' server :P
21:19 <@JonnyH> there've been a few times pmprog.co.uk feel s alittle slow
21:19 <@pmprog> lol, no idea
21:19 <@JonnyH> TBH I have plenty of hosting 'capacity' available
21:19 <@pmprog> yeah, but I never really figured we got much in the way of traffic
21:19 <@JonnyH> but I dont have the time/skills to manage
21:20 <@pmprog> TBH, I barely do much "management" of mine
21:20 <@JonnyH> Right... Time to fire up todays six nations :)
21:21 < SupSuper> if you want hosting i can recommend NineX :p
21:21 <@pmprog> Man, who'd think getting rid of the family for a couple of days would make one sooo productive
21:22 <@JonnyH> I spend most of this morning cleaning the house
21:22 <@JonnyH> as I'm flying out monday afternoon
21:22 <@JonnyH> and don't want to come back to a tip ;)
21:23 <@pmprog> I've been rewriting my new framework that can build with Allegro, SDL1.2 and SDL2 backends! Support multiple windows etc.
21:24 <@JonnyH> I've been wondering if we should ahve a wiki
21:24 <@JonnyH> (or co-opt a subsection of the ufopedia.org)
21:24 <@pmprog> I thought we kinda did in the github repo
21:25 <@JonnyH> huh, so we do :)
21:25 <@JonnyH> I should use it...
21:25 <@pmprog> You could ask for ufopedia if you want... I asked once, can't remember what happened now though
21:59 <@pmprog> Right, bedtime
21:59 <@pmprog> G'night
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00:40 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 788fc3c Jonathan Hamilton: Fix test_serialize build with MSVC...
00:40 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 21b7423 Jonathan Hamilton: Fix radiobuttons delecting when clicking on a already set button
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00:56 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 40ef826 Jonathan Hamilton: De-select buttons if the mouse leaves their active area while down
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01:20 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a8a807a Jonathan Hamilton: SDLRaw audio: Expand sample rate conversion output buffer if necessary...
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18:05 < unnzowy> Hi guys
18:06 < unnzowy> Just came along your site/project and wanted to say you are doing great job, x-com apoc is my beloved game :)
18:08 < unnzowy> i'd gladly help somehow, but no really sure if my skillset would be any of use for you
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22:33 < makus> Hey Jonny you have phone number of pmprog?
22:35 < makus> http://openapoc.pmprog.co.uk/  error 500
22:35 < makus> oh now its good
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14:14 <@JonnyH> oh noes, site down? :(
14:14 <@JonnyH> ...or is it working again now? Seems fine here...
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14:42 < nadir> 01:27:03 <dimvasiliev> hi! What happened to the site?
14:42 < nadir> It was working fine for me when this guy asked.
14:42  * nadir shrugs.
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15:27 < kkmic> Hey JonnyH
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15:45 <@JonnyH> hey there kkmic 
15:52 < kkmic> What's cooking?
15:55 <@JonnyH> I'm back in the UK this week
15:55 <@JonnyH> so not much from me :)
15:55 <@JonnyH> then I'm travelling across europe next week so nothing then either
15:55 <@JonnyH> but Istrebitel seems to be making great progress on the battlescape
16:04 < kkmic> nice
16:04 < kkmic> Have a fun trip :)
16:04 < kkmic> Where exactly in Europe are you traveling?
16:12 <@JonnyH> france->spain->portugal
16:14 < kkmic> Nice!
16:14 < kkmic> Have fun
16:14 < kkmic> I'm out
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07:12 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #113: Huuuuge update (master...master) https://git.io/vy5Yz
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07:12 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #113: Huuuuge update (master...master) https://git.io/vy5Yz
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12:12 < Kaljakoppa> Hmm
12:12 < Kaljakoppa> Cant start the project
12:12 < Kaljakoppa> Well, can
12:12 < Kaljakoppa> But lots of errors
12:12 < Kaljakoppa> Can't get tile etc,
12:13 < Kaljakoppa> After starting the campaign
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14:14 < SupSuper> Kaljakoppa: did you update the data?
16:26 < Kaljakoppa> Yes
16:27 < Kaljakoppa> git submodule init
16:27 < Kaljakoppa> git submodule update -f
16:27 < Kaljakoppa> Or something else?
16:27 < Kaljakoppa> This I did
16:28 < Kaljakoppa> I had super old version to begin with
16:28 < Kaljakoppa> Log time I tried
16:28 < Kaljakoppa> since'
16:28 < SupSuper> you on windows or linux?
16:28 < Kaljakoppa> Showing with 12,036 additions and 2,613 deletions. <- wanted to see this :D
16:28 < Kaljakoppa> Windows
16:28 < Kaljakoppa> VS 2015
16:29 < SupSuper> openapoc generates a bunch of metadata based on the original game assets, so you probably need to refresh that
16:29 < SupSuper> build the "data" project inside the solution
16:34 < Kaljakoppa> That did the trick
16:34 < Kaljakoppa> Thanks
16:34 < Kaljakoppa> I throught I rebuild all
16:34 < Kaljakoppa> Now to enjoy sauna, I'll test your progress later :P
16:34 < SupSuper> the "data" project is weird. since it's a command-line task it doesn't update normally like other compile tasks
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18:55 < makus> http://openapoc.makus.pro/
19:02 < makus> new style new engine for forum
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12:20 < makus> Jonny Hi
12:20 < makus> here?
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12:51 <@pmprog> Hiya JonnyH
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13:26 <@JonnyH> hey
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13:26 <@pmprog> How's things?
13:26 <@JonnyH> Just catching up with yesterdays rugby
13:26 <@JonnyH> as I was at a mates wedding instead :P
13:27 <@pmprog> hehe, were England playing? I saw bits of two games, one had France, the other Italy
13:27 <@JonnyH> yeah, it was the last day of the 6 nations so there were 3 games on the same day
13:27 <@JonnyH> still watching the first so no spoilers please ;)
13:29 <@JonnyH> Off to europe first thing tuesday too
13:29 <@pmprog> I don't know any of the scores...
13:29 <@JonnyH> so sorting stuff for that
13:29 <@pmprog> Nice
13:29 <@JonnyH> So probably won't have time to dig through Istrebitel's latest work :)
13:29 <@pmprog> lol, I was just going to ask if you've seen any of it
13:30 <@pmprog> He'll have the game wrapped up next week
13:30 <@JonnyH> probably at this rate...
13:30 <@JonnyH> Great isn't it :D
13:31 <@pmprog> It is... To be honest, even when I started the project, I never thought it'd get this far... and I guess if it'd remained just me, it wouldn't have
13:31 <@pmprog> but yeah, to see it coming along is great
13:31 <@JonnyH> Looking forward to the first 'successful game' of openapoc
13:31 <@JonnyH> (without too much faked-up stuff)
13:32 <@pmprog> Sounds good to me
13:32 <@pmprog> Maybe even try and do a livestream
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13:56 < makus_> Hey pmprog you here?)
13:56 < makus_> sorry working dont see you come up here
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14:11 < makus> oh and now turn on notifications
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15:22 < Kaljakoppa> Man.... https://youtu.be/JcUxLTEN0wo
15:22 < Kaljakoppa> My visits to YouPorn have declined
15:23 < Kaljakoppa> Direct correlation to your activity on YouTube
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21:49 < Scyt4l3> like the updates!
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22:37 < makus> same)
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12:29 < makus> http://openapoc.pmprog.co.uk/index.php?topic=171.0  Hey pls support!
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15:56 < Kaljakoppa> Istrebitel you are a f*ing wizard :)
15:56 < Kaljakoppa> Did you guys already have the terrain destruction implemented?
15:57 < Kaljakoppa> My all time favourite feature
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07:52 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #114: All units implemented, bugfixes (master...master) https://git.io/vSv49
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07:53 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 8 new commits to master: https://git.io/vSv4H
07:53 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d6c244d Istrebitel: Implemented Megaspawns, bugfixes...
07:53 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a25ed1d Istrebitel: Psimorphs, bugfixes...
07:53 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8818b65 Istrebitel: Gun, Egg, bugfixes...
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08:27 <@Istrebitel> JonnyH, are you here?
08:32 <@Istrebitel> Do you support what makus is proposing here http://openapoc.pmprog.co.uk/index.php?topic=171.0 ?
08:33 <@Istrebitel> I think this dude is really all fired up about finishing OpenApoc and we should support him. Let's use his enthusiasm
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11:59 < makus> https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/60tn6x/i_am_the_designer_of_xcom_and_phoenix_point_ask/df9xy2w/
11:59 < makus> Hey Julian Gollop support OpenApoc \o/
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15:28 < Kaljakoppa> Woah, that is hugew
15:57 < makus> yep
15:58 < makus> http://openapoc.pmprog.co.uk/index.php?topic=171.msg1500#new pls Speak Here
16:34 < Kaljakoppa> Man, makus should enlist as our PR guy and Istrebitel as a coder
16:35 < Kaljakoppa> At OpenKeeper
16:35 < Kaljakoppa> Promise me you do after OpenApoc is finished!
16:35 < makus> yep that would be great)
16:35 < makus> Kalya pls speak in this theme its important http://openapoc.pmprog.co.uk/index.php?topic=171.msg1500#new
16:37 < Kaljakoppa> Oh I'm just a groupie of OpenApoc :)
16:37 < Kaljakoppa> Not a member
16:43 < makus> you fan that enough)
17:18 < Kaljakoppa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XCLmTDcIx0
17:18 < Kaljakoppa> Yes :D
17:18 < Kaljakoppa> Super groupie and XCom enthustiac
17:19 < Kaljakoppa> Very well prepared for any alien invasions
17:41 < makus> ) nice
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13:48 < makus> Hey all \o/
13:48 < makus> pmprog long not come here
13:52 < makus> (
15:35 < kkmic> What the heck is a Gun Emplacement?
15:52 < makus> what you mean?
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07:10 <@Istrebitel> yeah and Gun Emplacement is what I think it's called in english
07:11 <@Istrebitel> when you place a weapon at a chassis
07:11 <@Istrebitel> that's why I called themthat
07:11 <@Istrebitel> in game they're just called Gun
07:11 <@Istrebitel> it's the thing that is placed in base defense on the defense modules
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18:21 < Poptimist> Hello, I just saw the FB post saying about how things were kind of slow.
18:22 < SupSuper> yup
18:22 < Poptimist> Is there any way I can help? I'm not very experienced with C++, but I would like to see this thing working
18:25 <@Istrebitel> Yeah
18:27 <@Istrebitel> I'm the man who does coding now, and I've only coded small things in c++ (or modified someone else's code), so I'm no way very experienced in it
18:27 <@Istrebitel> But look, a lot of battlescape is done now!
18:27 < SupSuper> just think of something you could implement and then implement it :p there's all kinds of stuff missing, from huge features to little things
18:28 <@Istrebitel> If you want to help, and want to figure out c++ in the process, then just do it! Would be great
18:28 < Poptimist> Fair enough. I suppose that's one way to learn.
18:29 <@Istrebitel> and yes, basically you can start as I did, implement something small (I implemented manufacturing by basically copying and improving research code)
18:29 <@Istrebitel> You can build last version (be sure to build in release as debug takes ages to launch on some systems) and see what's missing, pick one thing and implement it
18:30 < SupSuper> right now we need more people with time than people with experience, as all the people with experience don't have the time :p
18:30 < SupSuper> i think there's a task list somewhere but i keep losing track of it, maybe JonnyH`Away knows
18:30 <@Istrebitel> Haven't seen him for some days
18:30 < SupSuper> but bringing some cohesive to all the random implemented features in openapoc would be nice :)
18:31 <@Istrebitel> Well I trackj battlescape progress at trello
18:31 <@Istrebitel> it's well tracked
18:31 <@Istrebitel> most of the features that require implementation are listed and completed are ticked off
18:31 <@Istrebitel> completed ones*
18:31 < SupSuper> ah trello that was it: https://trello.com/b/lX5Y3DwR/openapoc
18:31 < SupSuper> it's by no means exhaustive, but if you're looking for ideas
18:33 <@Istrebitel> yeah, battlescape you can basically leave to me
18:33 <@Istrebitel> i think i'll finish it completely given time
18:33 <@Istrebitel> I may only need help with AI if you're willing to code it, but even then I'll probably mange
18:33 <@Istrebitel> we still need to implement most of cityscape
18:33 <@Istrebitel> and a lot of interfaces
18:33 < Poptimist> First things first, open up the code and have a look at it I think
18:34 <@Istrebitel> yeah
18:34 < SupSuper> don't worry if it all looks spooky and scary, that's just c++ :p
18:35 <@Istrebitel> you could start at implementing one small cityscape feature / gui form. Like, inventory transfer between bases, or putting soldiers on vehicles
18:35 < SupSuper> you don't have to understand the whole thing, just little bits. everyone has basically just picked on someone else's work and built on it
18:35 < SupSuper> like i did some basescape screens, then JonnyH`Away did others, then Istrebitel did others, etc. so all together someone is bound to be able to help you with something :p
18:36 <@Istrebitel> well yes we have a framework you can kinda build on, like, you can see how one form is done and copy it to make your own form. like how i copied research to make manufacturing
18:36 <@Istrebitel> or copied cityview to make battleview
18:36 <@Istrebitel> and yeah JonnyH might be able to help with how to do certain things when (if) he comes back from his vacation
18:37 < SupSuper> yeah scary engine stuff is mostly pmprog/JonnyH's doing
18:37 <@Istrebitel> or you could ask me (but despite already accomplishing a lot I don't consider myself very experienced so I may not be able to provide the best solution)
18:37 <@Istrebitel> well engine seems to work fine tbh
18:38 <@Istrebitel> friendly insults/poking aside
18:38 < SupSuper> yeah but i couldn't tell you *how* it works :)
18:39 <@Istrebitel> so to summ it up if you'd be willing to start small and progress from there on, it would be awesome
18:41 <@Istrebitel> eventually we need someone to take over implementing GUI forms and cityscape logic
18:41 <@Istrebitel> that's what's holding us back right now
18:42 <@Istrebitel> we need forms for all the various stuff you can do (buy/sell, transfer, agent equip, building agents/vehicles etc.)
18:43 <@Istrebitel> we need cityscape logic (vehicles on the routine, illegal attacks, vehicles delivering goods, ground vehicle logic, air vehicle maneuvering, tube transport for dudes etc.)
18:43 <@Istrebitel> we need alien logic in cityscape (aliens beamed into buildings, alien lifecycle progressing, aliens spreading about buildings, aliens triggering alerts, aliens infiltrating orgs)
18:43 < SupSuper> well GUI is easy, figuring out the cityspace logic is the real mystery...
18:44 <@Istrebitel> well we can start at implementing 100% known things
18:44 <@Istrebitel> like deposit aliens in buildings, building collapse, transfer of goods and units
18:44 <@Istrebitel> allow missions to launch when agnets are selected at a building and button clicked
18:45 <@Istrebitel> and all we know how it works already
18:45 <@Istrebitel> then tackle the things we don't know how it works
18:45 <@Istrebitel> if no way to immediately find out just implement however we can approximate and mark to "figure out later"
18:46 <@Istrebitel> like I'm not sure I implemented entropy launchers and fire damage properly but I just implemented it, if later we have spare time or someone tests /disassembles vanilla I'll get back to it, but for now it works
18:46 <@Istrebitel> they work, damage gets dealt, items get enzymed
18:46 < SupSuper> true. i think building collapse was implemented at some point but JonnyH to replace with a correct implementation
18:47 <@Istrebitel> was it?
18:47 < SupSuper> *took it out to replace with a correct implementation
18:47 < SupSuper> yeah it's on some old progress videos
18:47 <@Istrebitel> I had to implement battlescape collapse algorithm from scratch and I don't think city algorithm is different?
18:47 <@Istrebitel> I mean collapsing things downwards is simple, but what about bridges and buildings that have overhanging sections, was that done?
18:48 <@Istrebitel> and was smoke that spawns around collapsing buildings done too?
18:48 < SupSuper> well it was just cityspace: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-VpI-64Cu4
18:49 < SupSuper> and yeah it did bridges and stuff as well
18:49 <@Istrebitel> hmm
18:49 <@Istrebitel> interesting
18:49 <@Istrebitel> well gotta ask him when he's back
18:51 < SupSuper> yeah. wasn't he gonna be travelling to portugal? wonder if i can find him :p
18:55 <@Istrebitel> if you do please ask him to contact me or makus. we need him to do some small changes (forum/dns) so that we can progress with makus's new awesome openapoc site
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18:55 <@Istrebitel> he even got Gollop's attention, really, we need to utilise this man's enthusiasm to the max
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19:03 < SupSuper> he did?
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19:09 <@Istrebitel> yes
19:09 <@Istrebitel> Julian Gollop supports OpenApoc and is willing to answer our questions
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19:10 < SupSuper> ohhhhhhh nice
19:10 < SupSuper> just found the post in the AMA
19:13 < SupSuper> i guess i am not as enthusiastic as him, i asked gollop about apoc years ago but he didn't seem interested :p
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08:52 < Poptimist> I've downloaded the code, and I'm building it now, but jesus it's taking forever
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09:54 <@Istrebitel> well, full rebuild can take some time, at my machine it's like 10 minutes or so
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11:44 < kkmic> Debug or release?
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13:11 <@Istrebitel> yeah, ensure it's release
13:44 < Poptimist> I've also encountered another problem
13:45 < Poptimist> 	Suppression State Error	C1083	Cannot open include file: 'glm/vec2.hpp': No such file or directory	test_serialize		
13:45 < Poptimist> only one error of this type has occured though
13:47 < Poptimist> which is strange, as it includes glm/vec3 and glm/vec2, which you'd figure to be in the same file
14:24 <@Istrebitel> hmm
14:24 <@Istrebitel> we had problems with that test on windows
14:26 <@Istrebitel> do you have that file in your dependencies\glm\glm\ ?
14:29 < Poptimist> lemme check
14:30 < Poptimist> yeah
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15:17 <@JonnyH> hey there :)
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16:35 < Poptimist> is there a solution to the vec2 glm problem?
16:35 <@JonnyH> I haven't seen any vec2 glm problem before, sorry...
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16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> if you build the  'openapoc' project individually (IE not the whole solution, so skipping test_serialize) does it work?
16:40 < Poptimist> seems to, but doing a rebuild to be sure
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm.... Maybe the test_serialize project is setup slightly differently (wrong?)
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Weird it seems to work on appveyor though
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16:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Poptimist: I don't have a windows machine at work with msvc to test on
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> so can't even try to repro it right now...
16:58 < Poptimist> fair. I'll look at it, see if theres something minor
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22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> hey SupSuper 
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Lisbon was fun :)
22:26 <@JonnyH`Work> Didn't really get a chance to poke you can see if you were around for a beer or anything though
22:27 < SupSuper> :(
22:27 < SupSuper> forever owing me a beer
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I am a bit confused about the portuguese though
22:27 <@JonnyH`Work> An weird fascination about boats and an odd obsession with canned fish...
22:28 < SupSuper> it's like english but in reverse
22:28 < SupSuper> canned? blasphemy :p
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> and it was weirdly difficult to find anything about the history pre 11th century, or 12th-15th
22:29 <@JonnyH`Work> like everyone was having a nap or something
22:30 < SupSuper> lol
22:30 < SupSuper> well while you were out, apparently makus has been making the PR rounds and got gollop's attention? :p
22:30 <@JonnyH`Work> I saw his link to the gollop AMA
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> saying he is "Aware of openapoc" and supports it :)
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Dunno if "Aware" is "Have seen a tweet or two"
22:31 <@JonnyH`Work> or actually looked at it :P
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/60tn6x/i_am_the_designer_of_xcom_and_phoenix_point_ask/df9xy2w/
22:32 <@JonnyH`Work> not bad quote to put on the site: "I very much do support [OpenApoc]"
22:32 < SupSuper> well it's better than he's ever said in my tweets :p
22:33 < makus> Hey
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I do want to poke him about the scales of stuff in the city
22:33 < SupSuper> he doesn't really mention *how* you're supposed to ask him though...
22:33 < makus> what he sayd?)
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe I should poke Istrebitel about what he's doing for the battlescape, if that's reveng'd not just made up it'll probably be the same...
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> makus: Not asked yet :P
22:33 < makus> in twits
22:34 < makus> actually we can ask about code in questions that i want to send to him
22:35 < makus> and after we make article ask about listing somthing like that)
22:40 < makus> no i mean <SupSuper> well it's better than he's ever said in my tweets :p
22:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't find that... my google fu clearly lacks something
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> but I'm pretty sure he retweeted (or at least said "Cool!" to a tweet sup sent him about openapoc)
22:43 < SupSuper> i think i asked him about leftover stuff from the apoc days at some point and he said he didn't remember anything
22:43 < SupSuper> but maybe i was just too vague
22:43 < makus>  I am taking some inspiration from X-COM Apocalypse here - but applied to a world scale. JulianGollop
22:43 < makus> for Phoenix Point
22:44 < makus> also just for interest http://www.terrygreer.com/xcomalliance.html  here design documents of xcom alliance in Doc
22:45 < makus> found
22:46 < makus> also here https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/60tn6x/i_am_the_designer_of_xcom_and_phoenix_point_ask/df98f44/
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> ...huh, I just realised the ssd that has been in my laptop for 1.5 years is the wrong one
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I ordered a 256g one, but got a 512... :)
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23:02 < makus> o0
23:02 < makus> cool shops you have there
23:02 <@JonnyH`Work> newegg...
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> it was a 950 pro too, so quite a bit more expensive for the 512gb one
23:04 < makus> what brand? of laptop and "
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> just some random lenovo, got the cheapest hdd to go with it knowing I would replace it anyway
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> and a m.2 Samsung 950 pro ssd
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> which is still pretty good IIRC
23:05 < makus> nice)
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I clearly don't pay attention to these things... ordered december 2015 according to the email
23:06 < makus> i want buy some laptop but beacose design things want real good display
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> and nowhere in that time did I go "Didn't  I only pat for the smaller one?"
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I have a lenovo y700 14"
23:06 < makus> 14 diagonal?
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> it's a bit chunky, not great bettery
23:06 < makus> k
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> but nice 1080p ips screen, 'proper' gpu, 'proper' quad core cpu
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> it's a bit "Gamer" - the keys have a red backlight etc.
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> but it works as a 'portable workstation' for me ;)
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23:10 < makus_> dmt
23:10 < makus_> internet ...
23:10 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, I'm about to go home
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> If people think the bay area is glamorous
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I'
23:11 < makus_> oh you in us right lol
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll just like to point out that currently the sewers are leaking in our office -_-
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13:36 < makus> hey here http://openapoc.org/index.php  форум
13:36 < makus> forum
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18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> makus: Is it me or does the 'forum' link on openapoc.org still go to openapoc.pmprog.co.uk
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> which instantly redirects back to openapoc.org?
18:07 < makus> lol? no i dont have this
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> <a href="http://openapoc.pmprog.co.uk" target="_blank">forum</a> 
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> :(
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> going to openapoc.org/index.php 'manually' goes to the forum fine
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18:23 < makus> oh thats link for old forum
18:23 < makus> and there temporary page while i finish forum
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> ok, so it's not really '
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> 'ready' yet
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18:56 < makus> Again my internet
18:56 < makus> need get other provider
18:57 < makus> i convert old forum and Everything seems fine
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> cool, if it's working flip the switch and fix the link
19:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Thanks again for all your work :D
19:00 < makus> ... and now i think its will take many time to do what i want (page where ppl can fill applications and where will be all needed info how all can help)
19:01 < makus> so i think remove temp page and open forum
19:01 < makus> ) np
19:03 < makus> and when i finish all wich forum and article about project i will do mailing letters to all forum members etc
19:04 <@pmprog_laptop> openapoc.pmprog.co.uk should auto-forward to openapoc.org too
19:05 <@pmprog_laptop> I had to remove the CNAME DNS entry and implment it via a html page
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: yeah, that was a bit unexpected when the 'forum' link on openapoc.org still went there
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> as it redirected back to where you came from
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> (I guess just for the time makus was making sure the forum import is working :)
19:08 <@JonnyH`Work> and hi pmprog! You doing well?
19:09 <@pmprog_laptop> hi too :) I'm okay, busy as always, but surviving. How was your trip?
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> It was good!
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Never going with my brother again though...
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> he SNORES :(
19:10 < makus> Hey all ye
19:10 <@pmprog_laptop> oh dear :)
19:10 <@pmprog_laptop> hi makus
19:10 <@JonnyH`Work> the new forums look good
19:11 <@pmprog_laptop> I saw it briefly before whilst I was configuring my domain.
19:11 <@pmprog_laptop> brb
19:12 < makus> yep now url is friendly
19:13 < makus> ty
19:13 < makus> ...also we need consolidate news make crossposting script somthing like that
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, posting the 'same' thing on forum/youtube/facebook means I alwys miss one :)
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> plus vk you those crazy russians :P
19:14 < makus> i remove temp page and think about that many groups
19:15 < makus> mb join some gorups to make them a smaller amount
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19:20 < makus> so if someone make somthing he can get medal or we can use group promotion thats easy
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19:27 < makus> test
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> test :P
19:28 < makus> good
19:28 < makus> )
19:28 < makus> my intenet bad
19:28 < makus> so ok for today i need some work
19:28 <@pmprog_laptop> back
19:30 < makus> Marq i can give Jonny or Alex istrebitel admins so if they have time they can ... do somthing 2)
19:30 <@JonnyH`Work> am I not already an admin?
19:30 <@pmprog_laptop> Sure. Jonny should already be
19:31 <@pmprog_laptop> But technically it's your forum now, so give anyone you want admin
19:31 <@Istrebitel> Well I don't think I'll have spare time to admin a forum
19:31 <@Istrebitel> I'd rather focus 100% on coding
19:32 <@Istrebitel> And IMHO we don't need some application form. WE can just direct people to go here if they're english speaking or to slack if they're russian
19:32 <@Istrebitel> or make a forum topic
19:32 <@pmprog_laptop> TBH Istrebitel, there never was much maintaining needed :)
19:32 <@Istrebitel> Well yeah before we become big it shouldnt
19:33 <@Istrebitel> but then spam bots will appear and trolls probably too
19:36 <@pmprog_laptop> I need to post a vid on my youtube channel to make sure people know the new urls and also Ist and JH's channels for vids too
19:36 < makus> ye goodpoints but i make anyway big page wich answers what where why
19:37 < makus> Marq i have solution to YT you know that if you create second chennel on you r acc
19:37 < makus> you can give to other user admin rights to this chennel so he can upload vid
19:38 <@pmprog_laptop> Yes, and I very unsuccessfuly linked the OpenApoc YT channel to mine
19:38 < makus> its important to make other second yt chennel on account not first to use for this
19:39 < makus> was in past mb now its not
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: should we make the openapoc youtube channel the one-true-place for all videos now?
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I could re-upload all mine
19:46 <@JonnyH`Work> and add Istrebitel and co to the admin list?
19:47 <@pmprog_laptop> Sure, do you still have the password to the account?
19:47 < makus> we should consolidate all we can then we will have what to show)
19:47 <@Istrebitel> Would make sense to upload to the same channel under OpenApoc brand
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> ...I have no idea how to add people as editors (or whatever) in youtube...
19:49 < makus> its beacose you look on your first channel
19:49 <@pmprog_laptop> Neither do I, and I had trouble trying to link my account to OA's... Maybe just give Istrebitel the password
19:49 < makus> also i sign up for twitter account
19:49 < makus> https://twitter.com/openapoc
19:49 <@pmprog_laptop> lol
19:49 <@JonnyH`Work> again, I don't really use twitter :P
19:50 < makus> this twitter accc can be linked to FB easy to crosspost
19:50 < makus> its not for us)
19:50 < makus> its for ppl
19:50 < makus> and seo
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> similarly a 'news' section of the forum could be linked
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> no idea if that's difficult though
19:50 <@Istrebitel> seems you can't rename accounds on the new forum
19:51 < makus> in setting of FB page you can link twitter for cross post
19:51 < makus> yes need mod
19:51 < makus> or ask admin
19:51 <@Istrebitel> my acc has name Hissatsu
19:52 <@Istrebitel> can you change to Istrebitel?
19:52 < makus> anyway i make itsrebitel jonny skin kammerer all admins) if all dont mind
19:52 <@pmprog_laptop> Who's kammerer?
19:53 < makus> its old member hee translator
19:55 <@pmprog_laptop> Well, like I said, make whomever you want admin :)
19:55 <@Istrebitel> 10x
19:56 < makus> also mb instead of awards and that amount of current gorups i create group by theme ex. programmers, administrators, moderators, testers, translators, designers
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: Any chance you can give me the email for your google/youtube account?
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> And I can add you to the openapoc one
19:59 <@Istrebitel> ah yes
19:59 <@Istrebitel> starsabre@gmail.com
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> hopefully invited you an pmprog
19:59 < makus> pls Marq or who have right in FB group look in settings you can https://twitter.com/openapoc  linkthere twitter for crosspost
20:00 <@pmprog_laptop> All three of us have admin on the FB page
20:02 < makus> so pls link it)
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: Istrebitel: Let me know if you didn't get the youtube invites
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Also let me know if there's someone else who might end up creating vids
20:04 <@pmprog_laptop> Bah, is it via email? I'll have to check when I finally get on my desktop
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> probably?
20:04 <@Istrebitel> where should i  see it?
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> If you can get to youtube it might be instant
20:04 <@Istrebitel> no email yet
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess on the email?
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> In mine "openapoc" appears as an option in the 'user' menu in the top right
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> just below my 'real' user
20:07 <@pmprog_laptop> I don't see the OA YT channel. I also can't see when to link FB to Shitter
20:08 < makus> oh and also you can set twitter in YT channel
20:08 < makus> for crosspost
20:09 < makus> sec
20:09 <@pmprog_laptop> Well, I'm off to bed... cya next year
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20:10 < makus> lol next year?
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> hopefully sooner than that....
20:13 < makus> xD
20:13 < makus> yes strange FB remove twitter link
20:13 < makus> option
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> https://support.twitter.com/articles/31113#
20:14 <@JonnyH`Work> can you do it the other way?
20:15 < makus> also we can implement simple registration and registration social acc
20:15 < makus> in other way we dont need it)
20:15 < makus> then
20:20 < makus> https://www.facebook.com/twitter/?setup=1
20:20 < makus> here i found
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> hmmm.. apparently openapoc youtube needs 100 subscribers before you can claim a 'nice' url
20:32 < makus> yep
20:32 < makus> you connect twitter?)
20:34 <@JonnyH`Work> nope
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe when I get back from work
20:35 <@JonnyH`Work> (or someone else - I don't know who has acess to the facebook :P
20:37 < makus> oh k
20:38 < makus> [22:59] <@pmprog_laptop> All three of us have admin on the FB page
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> '3' = me, pmprog, Istrebitel?
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Actualy I could probably do that now...
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> do we have a username/password for the twitter account?
20:40 < makus> sec
20:44 < makus> in pm
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Thanks
20:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I *think* I linked it
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> as the second I logged in it turned into russian, I hope I clicked the right button :P
20:47 <@JonnyH`Work> heh, seems to work :)
20:47 < makus> nice ty
20:47 < makus> https://www.youtube.com/account
20:48 < makus> here you can add admins
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I found that
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I *think* I added istrebitel and pmprog
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I can add you if you give your google login email
20:48 < makus> if you create second channel and select it
20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> if you think you'll make any videos ofc
20:48 < makus> good
20:48 < makus> fuuf
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21:16 <@Istrebitel> Well, I don't see anything in my inbox
21:16 <@Istrebitel> It's not urgent
21:16 <@Istrebitel> I'll google tomorrow about this "shared access" feature
21:16 <@Istrebitel> to youtube
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> weird...
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I thinkit's the correct email
21:18 <@JonnyH`Work> as it magically corrected itself to "Alexey Andronov"
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21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: How are you using the rng?
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> I just ran 500000 iteration of randBoundsExclusive(0,3)
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> and got:
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> 4: W 18359573 int main(int, char**): 0:	163689
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> 4: W 18366990 int main(int, char**): 1:	166668
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> 4: W 18371650 int main(int, char**): 2:	169643
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> which seems pretty evenly split to me?
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> perhaps test it yourself?
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/28fae6ce3d727728106768797cf2c4dec3189f0e
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22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: after that I did fix an issue
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> with clamping the state down to sizeof(result_type) with the default shift values
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> causing a much smaller amount of 'useful' state as the shifts caused most of the 32bits to fall off the end
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22:52 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 28fae6c Jonathan Hamilton: Add a quick distribution check for test_rng
22:52 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a06a4dc Jonathan Hamilton: De-bias the rng by always using 2x64 bit state in xorshift128+...
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07:37 <@Istrebitel> erm... so there was a bug?
07:38 <@Istrebitel> or not?
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12:17 <@Istrebitel> I see, it was a bug(kinda)
12:17 <@Istrebitel> Good it's fixed now
12:17 <@Istrebitel> Anyway, has anyone figured out how to manage our "collective" youtube account?
12:18 <@Istrebitel> I haven't gotten any mail, and it doesn't show in my channel list (as the Brand Account feature should, if that's what was used)
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16:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: I got a message from google saying pmprog 'accepted' the youtube manager request...
16:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I assume it was an email? Maybe it got lost? I could try again
16:01 <@pmprog> Hiya. yeah, seemed to work.
16:02 <@JonnyH`Work> was it an email pmprog?
16:03 <@JonnyH`Work> "starsabre@gmail.com is already invited to manage this account."
16:04 <@JonnyH`Work> I removed it and tried again...
16:06 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog: I assume 'manager' is the correct role? I think it means you can do anything with the videos (add, remove, modify)
16:09 <@pmprog> I don't know, you got further than I did when I tried to link my account to the OpenApoc one
16:24 <@Istrebitel> so pmprog you received an empail?
16:24 <@pmprog> Yep
16:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I've not typo'd the email or anything?
16:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Or it's got put in your junk folder
16:28 <@Istrebitel> hmm
16:28 <@Istrebitel> which adress did that email come from?
16:30 <@Istrebitel> I did have mailer-daemon filtered so maybe if it contains that it got filtered
16:31 <@Istrebitel> try doing it with my other address no.ads.starsabre@gmail.com just to check
16:31 <@JonnyH`Work> the conformation came from google-my-business-noreply@google.com
16:31 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe it was sent from that too?
16:34 <@pmprog> thats where mine came from too
16:34 <@JonnyH`Work> i invited no.ads.starsabre@gmail.com too
16:41 <@pmprog> don't you need to remove "no.ads."?
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I already sent it to starsabre@gmail.com
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess the no.adds. is a different account he uses for 'more likely to spam you' logins etc.
16:55 <@Istrebitel> yes thats second emaikl
16:55 <@Istrebitel> for spam
16:55 <@Istrebitel> okay it's weird
16:55 <@Istrebitel> neither account received an email
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16:56 <@Istrebitel> and no.ads.starsabre@gmail.com has no filters that could trigger
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, weird that pmprog's would go through
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe it takes a while?
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog: when did it arrive? Immediately after I did it yesterday?
16:57 <@pmprog> 20:58 yesterday (assuming UK time zone)
16:58 <@pmprog> Received: by 10.157.56.156 with SMTP id p28csp1818111otc;        Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:58:59 -0700 (PDT)
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> 20:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I *think* I added istrebitel and pmprog
16:58 <@Istrebitel> hmm
16:58 <@Istrebitel> very weird
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> that 20:48 is irc server time?
16:58 <@Istrebitel> okay so it says you added me
16:59 <@Istrebitel> but I got no email on either
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16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Can you accept it from the link without the email?
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> If so it's fine
16:59 <@Istrebitel> give me the link for starsabre@gm,ail.com
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19:32 < makus> Hey Sup http://openxcom.org/ down ?
19:36 < SupSuper> nope
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21:39 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ca341ab Jonathan Hamilton: Forms: Scrollbar: Emit change event after modifying value...
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23:07 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Were you looking at tooltips sometime back in time?
23:07 <@JonnyH> Or am I misremembering?
23:15 < SupSuper> JonnyH: yeah i think that got lost to the mythical ages of i-actually-got-shit-done :p
23:15 < SupSuper> i think i came up with three ways of doing it but didn't actually got around to implementing any so
23:15 <@JonnyH> Got far with it?
23:16 <@JonnyH> Or should I just hack something together that completely breaks any sane UI design?
23:16 < SupSuper> lol, if you want
23:16 < SupSuper> mostly i couldn't decide who should handle a tooltip
23:16 <@JonnyH> you mean Control or Cursor?
23:16 < SupSuper> should each control check if it's hovered and pop open a tooltip if appropriate?
23:16 <@JonnyH> That's the decision I have right now...
23:17 <@JonnyH> I feel Cursor will be easier to track "time since last move" and whatnot
23:17 < SupSuper> should the cursor check which control it's hovering and pop a tooltip if appropriate?
23:17 <@JonnyH> but some part of me feels the cursor really shouldn't care about ui stuff
23:17 < SupSuper> some entirely global "tooltip" ui element that just manages itself?
23:17 <@JonnyH> I was thinking Control::pushFormEvent(ENTER) calls cursor->setToolTip("Whatever");
23:18 <@JonnyH> pushFormEvent(LEAVE); calls cursor->setToolTip(""); (or unsetToolTip or something)
23:18 < SupSuper> so all 3 together? :p
23:18 <@JonnyH> and the cursor itself draws the text & box (IE it's not a control) in it's render()
23:18 <@JonnyH> as we don't want it anywhere but teh top of the Form stack too...
23:18 < SupSuper> i think you have to do a global thing rather than per-control, or one control's LEAVE will cancel another control's ENTER
23:19 <@JonnyH> and it would be clipped by the Control bounds too...
23:19 < SupSuper> and you can only have one thing showing a tooltip at any time anyways
23:19 <@JonnyH> If we guarantee Leave gets called befor Enter it'll be fine?
23:19 <@JonnyH> Or only unset if it moving from a control with a tooltip to one without (or no control over the mouse  position)
23:20 <@JonnyH> I think the draw has to be handled at the Cursor then...
23:21 < SupSuper> i guess the question is how do you do z-ordering. or just ignore controls without tooltip and assume you'll never have overlapping tooltiped controls
23:21 <@JonnyH> hm... not sure how events are signalled by the form stack...
23:21 < SupSuper> then you can just have ENTER/LEAVE just update a "current tooltipped element" global, and once the timer runs out show the tooltip for that control
23:21 <@JonnyH> If theyre only emitted by the leaf that'll be the 'top z' already?
23:21 <@JonnyH> But you couldn't have a tooltop for a super-control...
23:22 < SupSuper> see this is why i never do anything anymore, analysis paralysis :p
23:22 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: That's pretty much what I was thinking, just the 'global' was hanging off the Cursor
23:22 <@JonnyH> as there's only one of those already :P
23:22 <@JonnyH> plus some logic to make it so the text doesn't fall off the side of the screen
23:24 < SupSuper> yeah if your ENTER/LEAVEs never collide then you can do something pretty simple
23:24 < SupSuper> i mean openxcom pretty much assumes that and it just works: https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/blob/master/src/Menu/OptionsBaseState.cpp#L301
23:24 < SupSuper> set tooltip on hover, clear tooltip on out
23:24 <@JonnyH> I think our Forms are a bit more complex...
23:24 <@JonnyH> but I'll give it a go anyway
23:25 < SupSuper> to prevent collisions each element only clears itself, since assuming no overlapping elements, the same element that triggered the ENTER for the tooltip has to be the same one to trigger the LEAVE
23:25 < SupSuper> i think this prevents weirdness if you move the cursor too fast
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23:30 <@JonnyH> dammit, Font loading is owned by forms/ui.cpp right now
23:31 < SupSuper> can't you just statically draw fonts? like without an ui element
23:31 < SupSuper> or you mean you need a font reference in the cursor or something
23:32 <@JonnyH> I was hoping to keep the string in the Cursor
23:32 <@JonnyH> but I guess it'll instead need an Image of the drawn font
23:33 <@JonnyH> and maybe a static sp<Image> UI::createToolTipImage(String); to help things along
23:33 <@JonnyH> or Control::createTooltipImage if it's only created by Controls...
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00:32 <@JonnyH> huh, so currently MouseLeave events arent triggered at stage transition...
00:33 < SupSuper> ah you're getting the old "button you were hovering triggered a scene transition" ui paradox
00:35 < SupSuper> i'd just cleanup any tooltip state on scene transition
00:35 <@JonnyH> I'm doing that now
00:35 < SupSuper> better than faking LEAVE events probably
00:35 <@JonnyH> with a //FIXME: This breaks going /back/
00:35 < SupSuper> lol
00:46 <@JonnyH> and now the multi-form stuff in the city UI is screwing stuff up....
00:46 <@JonnyH> blerg
00:46 < SupSuper> rip ui forever
00:46 <@JonnyH> I might check in what I ahve now and wander off for today
00:47 <@JonnyH> UI is ded
00:50 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/tooltips
00:50 <@JonnyH> well you can play with what I've done there for now :P
00:50 <@JonnyH> have a good evening
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18:03 <@Istrebitel> Hey JonnyH
18:03 <@Istrebitel> not trying to hurry you, but could you approximate when you would tackle agent inventory
18:03 <@Istrebitel> (if you would at all?)
18:04 <@Istrebitel> battlescape is actually quite close to being finished soon, and if we had inventory, we could release a playable "quick battle" game
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18:10 < psych> hey
18:10 < psych> can i help with the project?
18:12 <@Istrebitel> yeah sure! )
18:13 < psych> cool
18:13 < psych> what do you need?
18:14 < psych> Sorry I should probably first ask how you're building the project.
18:14 <@Istrebitel> JonnyH can help for linux
18:14 <@Istrebitel> on windows we're using VS 2015 (free version)
18:14 <@JonnyH`Work> hey Istrebitel
18:14 < psych> I'm on Windows.
18:14 <@Istrebitel> Mostly we need c++ programmers willing to code not yet finished parts of the game
18:14 < psych> I have VS too
18:15 < psych> But I may use vsCode instead
18:15 < psych> I know a little C++
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> psych: It should build if you have the 2015 toolchain installed
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> I often use msbuild directly myself
18:15 < psych> k.  i'll check it out in a bit.  Um... sorry, I was just info gathering first.  lol.  I'm not ready yet.
18:15 <@Istrebitel> yeah sure
18:15 < psych> In the middle of a project task at the moment, but about to put it down in about 45
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> and yet more "Stuff" at work means I'm not sure when I can put more time into openapoc really...
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll try, but I don't know...
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I got tooltips working to a degree too
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> but there's an issue when Forms overlap (like the bottom of the City UI, and likely the same on the battle ui?)
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> as only the 'first' form gets the Enter/Leave events I was using...
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> I could merge it into master now, but it might not be 'useful' until that's fixed
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> next on my list is the equipscreen
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18:33 <@Istrebitel> nah fix it first no hurry
18:33 <@Istrebitel> okay i'll just work on everything I can still do in battlescape
18:33 <@Istrebitel> like stealth, score, xp etc
18:33 <@Istrebitel> if you can get to inventory in like a month or so it will be fine, i still have enough to do
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18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/tooltips
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> that's the code anyway
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> It's next on my list then :)
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> but as I said...
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> http://www.anandtech.com/show/11243/apple-developing-custom-gpu-dropping-imagination
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Weird Times here :)
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19:27 < psych> alright, setting up now
19:33 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: what's going on
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Apple announced they're no longer going to be using our GPUs
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> which is ~50% of our income....
19:34 < SupSuper> uh oh
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Portugal seems a nice place... you hiring? :P
19:35 < SupSuper> sure, how would you like a 75% pay cut :P
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, we're (powervr) is probably still "ok"
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> as in making money
19:35 <@JonnyH`Work> but we're subsidising a LOT of other stuff right now...
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> especially after screwing up the market the last couple of years meant other customers dropped off
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> not the best time -_-
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe I should create a linkedin account :P
19:36 < SupSuper> it's never too late to get recruiter spam :P
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I think I have one still, but I've not updated it since before I started in IMG
19:36 <@JonnyH`Work> so it still thinks I'm at university in the north-east of england
19:37 <@JonnyH`Work> and I still get the odd email from that ;)
19:37 < SupSuper> yeah i think everyone forgets it exists once they actually, you know, have a job :P
19:37 < psych> cloning cloning
19:38 < SupSuper> much like every uni teacher still looking like when they first entered on their profile
19:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Now half my old managers and co-workers might put 2+2 together than go "Oh, this guy has suddenly added me on linkedin... I wonder why"
19:39 <@JonnyH`Work> same reason why my 'outlook photo' is an awkward guy wearing a suit for the first time in his life in an interview
19:40 < SupSuper> :p
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> huh, I login to linked i
19:45 <@JonnyH`Work> and there's ~5 messages in the last week from apple recruiters...
19:45 < SupSuper> i guess they got notified before you :p
19:55 < psych> bla.  i'm trying to set this up with vscode
19:55 < psych> https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/languages/cpp
19:55 < psych> i don't think i can use g++.  i have to use the visual studio compiler, aye?
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, not tested with mingw or c2 (the clang-with-msvc-backend) on windows
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> just "normal" msvc
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> It hsould be enough to run nuget restore
19:58 < SupSuper> if you're on windows, there should already be settings for working with msbuild
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> then msbuild should pick that up & select the 2015 toolchain
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> so Just Work (tm)
19:58 < psych> huh?
19:59 < psych> talking to me?
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know how msvc integrates into VS Code
19:59 < psych> ah k.  ya, msbuild should be supported.
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> yup psych, it should just run with msbuild
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> + nuget to pull in the depenedency packages
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> boost, sdl2, (are there any others?)
20:00 < psych> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/10/24/building-your-c-application-with-visual-studio-code/#MSBuild
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> or just run 'msbuild' from the root in cmd/posh
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> if the idea of a terminal doesn't fill you with fear ;)
20:01 < psych> well i'll give the terminal a try, but i'd like to be able to use a shortcut in vscode.
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> sure, it's probably easy
20:02 < psych> yah, for now gonna try it from terminal
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> You would assume "Microsoft" VS Code will work with "Microsoft" build :P
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> you *might* need to run 'nuget update' first
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the 'full' visual studio does that in it's integration by default
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's not in the msbuild script itself
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> You can see that in the appveyor commands
20:06 < SupSuper> eventually we'll move it all to cmake but that doesn't work out of the box on windows yet :P
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> doesn't work in the box either
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I've ran with the assumption "cmake is on unix" too far :)
20:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably wouldn't be impossible to change that, but not trivial
20:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Might be worth it at the end of the day if msvc is now working with cmake files properly
20:07 < SupSuper> well i'm planning on trying it out with their new-fangled dependency stuff
20:07 < SupSuper> assuming it'll work on appveyor :p
20:08 < psych> build failed!
20:08 < psych> but it's progress
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> the real question is after this what will ms replace it with next year?
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> :(
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> No cd.iso?
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> If it's the 'data' project that failed?
20:09 < psych> seems more like a problem on my end
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> but make sure you have the apoc cd.iso file under data/ first anyway
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> It's used in the build
20:10 < psych> aw man, i don't have that
20:10 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work adds "meaningful errors" to his todo list
20:10 < psych> i'd have to dig that up from the basement
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> The first error is meaningful!
20:10 < psych> C:\Users\Jon\Documents\_Work\Projects\pmprog\OpenApoc\tests\test_serialize.vcxproj(26,3): error MSB4019: The imported project "C:\Program Files (x86)\MSBuild\Microsoft.Cpp\v4.0\V110\Microsoft.Cpp.Default.props" was not found. Confirm that the path in the <Import> declaration is correct, and that the file exists on disk.
20:10 < SupSuper> psych: well it'll still compile, but you won't be able to get past the loading screen :p
20:10 <@JonnyH`Work> The problem is it's them swamped by 500000 errors caused by the error
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> psych: Maybe you don't ahve the msvc2015 toolchain installed?
20:11 < psych> maybe...
20:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know how to install it outside the msvc 2015 comunity installer...
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe they have a 'toolchain only' installer somewhere?
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> actually.. I thought msvc2015 was 'v140'...
20:12 < psych> i have visual studio installed, but probably not the C++ stuff
20:12 <@JonnyH`Work> is taht looking for 'v110'?
20:12 < psych> Visual Studio Community Edition 2015
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, that should work...
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> It's what I used..
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> but you did have to install the c++ parts too
20:13 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe re-running the installer will let you selec tthem?
20:15 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: vc2017 has an option for the "vs2015 toolchain", no idea where it gets it from
20:15 < psych> going to check it out now
20:15 < SupSuper> it'd be great if they kept all the old toolchains available for download somewhere without the ide
20:17 < psych> yah was missing the C++ stuff
20:17 < psych> installing it now
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> hope you also like 50 versions of different mssql libraries!
20:27 < SupSuper> yeah that's why i don't wanna go back to 2015 :p
20:29 < SupSuper> redists aside, look how squeaky clean it is now! http://i.imgur.com/aGNCh0L.png
20:30 < SupSuper> compared to 2013: http://i.imgur.com/CwH4cok.png
20:30 <@JonnyH`Work> and half of those are non-removable as uninstalling one in the "wrong" order breaks the uninstaller
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21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> bah, clang-format 4.0 does some things slightly differently to 3.9....
21:18 < psych> hm... same errors
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> try openig it in msvc?
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> If you have it installed
21:19 <@JonnyH`Work> that at least tells you which toolchain it's trying to use
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21:20 < psych> aha
21:20 < psych> my msbuild path is v140
21:20 <@JonnyH`Work> that sounds right? v140 is msvc2015
21:21 < psych> it's looking under v110
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> v141 is 2017
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> oh... v110 is pretty ancient
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> it won't work I'm sure...
21:21 < psych> yah... hmmm
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> the next question is /why/
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> framework.vcxproj:132:    <PlatformToolset>v140</PlatformToolset>
21:21 <@JonnyH`Work> definately using v140 here...
21:21 < psych> yah looking up my environment variables
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe that version of msbuild doesn't know you now installed v140 and it doesn't have to fallback?
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> You tried logout-login?
21:22 <@JonnyH`Work> (does msbuild keep a cache of "known" build environments? Or part of PATH or some other env?)
21:25 < psych> well ez way to fix it for now
21:26 < psych> is just: msbuild /p:VisualStudioVersion=14.0
21:26 < psych> down to 7 errors now
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> if it works, fine :)
21:26 <@JonnyH`Work> what are they?
21:27 < psych> ah now i kno why it's defaulting to v110
21:28 < psych> used the wrong msbuild
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> oh...
21:28 <@JonnyH`Work> well...
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, are those errors fixed by the correct msbuild?
21:29 < psych> looks like so far
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know if I've ever tested with different msbuild versions
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> you will need the cd.iso for the data files anyway
21:29 < psych> 3 errors 8 warnings
21:29 < psych> missing nuget packages
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> If you have nuget installed
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> "nuget restore openapoc.sln"
21:29 <@JonnyH`Work> should work
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> if not, you can just download nuget.exe from https://dist.nuget.org/win-x86-commandline/latest/nuget.exe
21:30 <@JonnyH`Work> no need to install, you can just use the standalone .exe
21:34 < psych> hm...
21:34 < psych> will Nuget.CommandLine from visual studio work?
21:34 < psych> the package?
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> ..maybe?
21:34 <@JonnyH`Work> No idea...
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> vs2015 actually already has it installed
21:35 < psych> ya i kno
21:35 < psych> still trying to make life harder for me
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> right-click on the solution, click "restore nuget"
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> you only ever have to do it once
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> unless you wipe the directory
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> or we change a dependency
21:36 < psych> very likely any of those things will eventually happen, so i better just get it installed.
21:36 < psych> starting up vs now
21:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the nuget installer just adds it top PATH
21:36 < psych> do you guys know how the data is formatted for Apocalypse?
21:36 <@JonnyH`Work> but not the version that comes bundled in vs2015...
21:36 <@JonnyH`Work> 'data' is xml
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> it's generated from the binary files in the cd
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> with a tool in tools/extractors
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> as part of the 'data' project in the build
21:37 < psych> how far along is the data project?
21:37 < psych> and how did u guys build it?
21:37 <@JonnyH`Work> that generates data/difficulty1_patched, data/difficulty2_patched etc.
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> they are just zip files of xml
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> we spent quite a bit of time reverse engineering the data formats and tables in the .exe files of the original
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> I've left it as a 'build' step to avoid having to comment on the license issues on the data tables
21:38 <@JonnyH`Work> IE so 'openapoc' doesn't ship them
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> I kinda suspect nobody will actually care
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> and when we release we can just ship the already-extracted data
21:39 < psych> right, by tables u mean stuff like... um... generational ranges and stuff like that, aye?
21:40 < psych> what about graphics and sound?
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> like weapon stats, stuff like that
21:40 < psych> ya weapon stats
21:40 <@JonnyH`Work> graphics & sound are read directly at runtime from the cd.iso
21:41 < psych> they're individual files?
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> they're read by loaders in framework/apocresources/pck.cpp framework/apocresorces/rawimage.cpp for the sprites tables (pck) and 'raw images' (often used for the ui)
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> then we also support png files (so we can 'replace' images with a more modern format) in framework/imageloader/lodepng_image.cpp
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and framework/imageloader/pcx.cpp reads pcx files, which are used for some UI backgrounds
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> so many different images sources :)
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> But they're mostly read at runtime when they're needed
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> not 'converted' in a build step
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> (the one exception being bullet sprites, which was another table-embedded-in-exe-file)
21:43 < psych> running nuget now
21:45 < psych> I would imagine getting data from the exe would be difficult
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it a pain
21:45 < psych> isn't some decompilation involved?
21:45 <@JonnyH`Work> simpler than that - just a offset/size we pack into a struct and read directly
21:46 <@JonnyH`Work> with a crc to make sure it's the "same" binary we were expecting
21:46 <@JonnyH`Work> (which it is for every version I've seen so far? That is steam and gog.com and my 'collectors edition' ed)
21:46 <@JonnyH`Work> ..cd
21:46 < psych> crc?
21:46 <@JonnyH`Work> hence me saying for "real releases" it would be simpler to ship it
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> a checksum, so it will warn if the binary looks different to the one we were expecting
21:47 < psych> oh son of the queen's bitch of a dawg... i forgot i have it on steam!
21:47 <@JonnyH`Work> but finding those tables involved some disassembly and whatnot (thanks skin36!)
21:48 < psych> it's a 500 MB file
21:48 < psych> install*
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, there should be a cd.iso in that
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> that's a full ~500 mb, about half of which is the music
21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's uncompressed 'raw'
21:49 < psych> every time i played the game back in the day, the music was broken.
21:49 <@JonnyH`Work> crack/pop constantly :)
21:49 <@JonnyH`Work> It was *really* stressful for the cpus of the day
21:49 <@JonnyH`Work> (and dosbox today)
21:49 < psych> and something else was strange too... all the cover art and screens had a big giant X instead of a picture of 4 soldiers and some huge alien in the background.
21:49 <@JonnyH`Work> that was the europe verison IIRC
21:50 < psych> i bought it here in Canada
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> http://cdn.edgecast.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/7660/header.jpg?t=1447351436
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> that was us
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> https://www.dosbox.com/wiki/images/thumb/9/91/Ufo2p_000.png/320px-Ufo2p_000.png
21:50 < psych> k, ya, that's the one i had
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> that was the one I had in the UK
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> which I think is the one on steam now...
21:50 < psych> the US one was the one i had
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> same game, different title.pcx
21:50 <@JonnyH`Work> you can change that with anything if you *really* want :)
21:51 < psych> I read online that Apoc was Microprose's sin child or something.
21:51 < SupSuper> microprose had plenty of sins :p
21:51 < psych> not Impossible Mission 2
21:52 < psych> maybe...
21:52 < SupSuper> apoc was definitely gollop's sin child at least
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> It was 50% gollop's overreaching
21:52 < psych> building
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and 50% cutting that down to something to release right at the end
21:53 < psych> was it really gollop's doing?  i thought it was sum devs they outsourced to that were trying to be "cutting edge" or something
21:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it was mostly gollop?
21:54 < psych> ya, i'd believe that.
21:54 < SupSuper> it was a gollop working with the big microprose team for once, so a clusterfuck on both ends
21:54 < SupSuper> like original x-com was mostly done outside of microprose
21:54 < SupSuper> tftd was done solely by microprose, and apoc was a gollop-microprose combo
21:55 < psych> Ah, founder of Mythos games... i remember now
21:55 < psych> so all the stuff that didn't get added to the game... are u guys planning to add that?
21:56 < psych> by stuff i mean the completed stuff
21:56 < psych> that exists*
21:57 < psych> wow still building
21:57 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC most of the original was the "two guys in a bedroom" style of development
21:58 <@JonnyH`Work> and apoc was the first "Proper Team" - and that probably required a different style that they didn't really get a hang of
21:58 < SupSuper> depends if we can find out what that stuff *is*
21:58 < SupSuper> and if it makes sense :p
21:58 < psych> so wut ur saying is...
21:58 < psych> they hired 3 more ppl to work
21:58 < psych> while the 2 guys continued to get high in a bedroom?
21:58 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure of gollop is the "high" type :P
21:59 < SupSuper> :p
21:59 < psych> i kno, but u kno what i meant
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> but I get the impression they went "We have 5x the resources, so we should plan 5x the features!"
21:59 < SupSuper> yeah quite a difference of teams between the two: http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/x-com-ufo-defense/credits http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/x-com-apocalypse/credits
21:59 < psych> it's never 5x the resources.
21:59 <@JonnyH`Work> and after a couple of years of going round in development circles some higher-up put their foot down and said "What can you release *now*"
22:00 < psych> ya, i honestly haven't worked with deadlines that tight yet
22:00 < psych> i'm still trying to get into game development, but it's been a struggle, especially now.
22:01 < psych> i figure if i find a good open source project to work on, it might get me noticed?  i dunno
22:01 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: well there was also a lot of overreaching from microprose going all "damn, turns out this random x-com thing is a huge hit, let's pull all the stops for it!" and adding all kinds of resources and technology totally inappropriate for the project
22:01 < SupSuper> like artists inexperienced in isometric, scanned-in models and cgi just because, etc
22:01 < psych> xcom is probably the best single-player pc strategy game to this day...
22:02 < psych> i even like the new ones too.
22:02 < SupSuper> shhhhhhh, don't let them hear you
22:02 < psych> why?
22:02 < SupSuper> the old-skool fans will tear you limb from limb :p
22:02 < SupSuper> (i like the new ones too)
22:03 < psych> hehehe
22:03 < psych> well
22:03 < psych> when that 2K title was announced.
22:03 < psych> this was like... right after I saw Fallout 3 and Syndicate come out...
22:03 < psych> i was just about done with all of it... never wanted to see a game recreated ever again.
22:03 < SupSuper> yeah i remember the discussions
22:04 < SupSuper> "oh god it's bioshock-com!" "what's up with the blobs!" "gaming is dead!"
22:04 < psych> first-person games are just too hawt these days.
22:04 < psych> god dammit!  build failed
22:04 < SupSuper> it was positive news for openxcom at least... then they announced firaxis was gonna remake it too... and we were scared shitless :p
22:04 < psych> 2 errors
22:05 < psych> soon as i saw screens of Firaxis's XCOM, I was content again
22:05 < psych> i don't really care if features are removed/added, but a total genre change is taking it way too far.
22:06 < psych> "Cannot open include file: 'glm/vec2.hpp': No such file or directory"
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> ....git submodules?
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Did you use the github client to clone openapoc originally?
22:07 < psych> probably.  but doesn't github desktop already download those?
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> It *should* update them
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> but it might not.. it seems unreliable
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> try running:
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> git submodule init
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> git submodule update
22:07 <@JonnyH`Work> and see if those do anything
22:08 < psych> k.  running msbuild again
22:08 < psych> nope
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> if there is a dependencies/glm/glm/vec2.hpp file
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> it might be a paths/escaping issue...
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> It's *very* easy to accidently have a non-escaped path that breaks if there's a space/non-ascii-character or something in the path
22:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I've done it before, I'll probably do it again
22:09 < psych> that's what it looks like.  that was the 2nd error i showed u
22:09 < psych> the first error... i dunno
22:09 < psych> exited with code 1
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> :/
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I can't test on windows at work
22:10 < psych> there are two backslashes, but i dunno if that would matter
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> don't have the msvc tools installed
22:10 < psych> k, maybe i can check it out on mah end
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> or sup... ?
22:10 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
22:10 < psych> "C:\Users\Jon\Documents\_Work\Projects\pmprog\OpenApoc\OpenApoc.sln" (default target) (1) -> "C:\Users\Jon\Documents\_Work\Projects\pmprog\OpenApoc\data\data.vcxproj" (default target) (18) -> (CustomBuildStep target) ->   C:\Program Files (x86)\MSBuild\Microsoft.Cpp\v4.0\V140\Microsoft.CppCommon.targets(203,5): error MSB3073: The command "cd /D "C:\Users\Jon\Documents\_Work\Projects\pmprog\OpenApoc\"\r [C:\Users\Jon\Documents\_Work\
22:10 < psych> doh
22:10 < psych> C:\Program Files (x86)\MSBuild\Microsoft.Cpp\v4.0\V140\Microsoft.CppCommon.targets(203,5): error MSB3073: "C:\Users\Jon\Documents\_Work\Projects\pmprog\OpenApoc\\bin\Win32\Debug\extractor.exe" --Framework.CD="C:\Users\Jon\Documents\_Wor k\Projects\pmprog\OpenApoc\\data\cd.iso" --Framework.Data="C:\Users\Jon\Documents\_Work\Projects\pmprog\OpenApoc\\data"\r [C:\Users\Jon\Documents\_Work\Projects\pmprog\OpenApoc\data\data.vcxproj]
22:11 < psych> there's two '\'s but
22:11 < psych> does that matter?
22:11 < psych> shouldn't, rite?
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> the \r at the end of --framework.data looks wrong to me...
22:11 < psych> i dunno why that's there
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> and there's a space in the Framework.CD "_Wor k"
22:11 <@JonnyH`Work> was that a copy-paste error?
22:11 < psych> yes
22:11 < psych> the \r isn't tho
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm...
22:12 < psych> so i gotta luk under data
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/JonnyH/openapoc/build/0.0.1008/job/n5veh6qvf3jrq66y#L1159
22:12 <@JonnyH`Work> no \r in the appveyor build... weird
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> but the double-slashes look fine, as they're there too and it worked
22:13 < psych> r u saying i'm using the wrong version?
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> no, I don't know what would cause that...
22:13 < psych> i've been using this: https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc
22:13 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog is the correct version
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> It should be the same as my own github.com/jonnyh/openapoc
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I just use that as my own 'staging', so have my own build systems pointed at that for testing
22:14 <@JonnyH`Work> exactly the same code in the master branch
22:15 < psych> odd.
22:15 < SupSuper> isn't \r an extra linebreak somewhere?
22:15 < psych> the cause appears to be tests/test-serialize
22:16 < SupSuper> and yeah extra \\ are ignored
22:16 < psych> let me put it in gist
22:19 < psych> https://gist.github.com/Codelurkers/12b9bc09f3fbe061fef1d761a4f2fbed
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> oops, the glm one is I've manged to add the glm include path to release
22:20 <@JonnyH`Work> but not debug
22:21 < psych> i don't see \r in any of the custom build steps
22:21 <@JonnyH`Work> (as having the 2 completely different option sets makes sense)
22:21 < psych> well i'll just set the configuration to release then.
22:22 < psych> and it likely has to recompile it all
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
22:22 < SupSuper> and slower too :P
22:22 < psych> make me sit for another 30 min
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> try msbuild /m
22:22 < SupSuper> now you know why nobody contributes ;P
22:22 < psych> wut does /m do?
22:22 < psych> i already went: msbuild /p:configuration=release
22:22 <@JonnyH`Work> tries to use multiprocess
22:23 < psych> my computer so old...
22:23 < psych> it probably can't even multiprocess
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
22:23 < psych> it probably can't even fully singleprocess
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Might also be why it's slow
22:23 < psych> probably
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I must say my new ryzen is *pretty fast* :P
22:23 < psych> once i have a job, i'll upgrade
22:23 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I might have a fancy new pc, but might not have a job next week :P
22:29 < psych> sounds like every programmer in the world
22:29 < psych> it's such a kick in the pants profession imo... you build software to make life easier to the point where people don't need you to build software anymore.  :D
22:30 < psych> my experience is mostly C#
22:31 < SupSuper> good thing our software always has bugs to keep us employed ;)
22:31 < psych> ya for now
22:31 < SupSuper> the day software bugs are over is the day skynet happens
22:31 < psych> skynet is happening tho
22:31 < psych> at least the precursor to it.
22:32 < psych> everything's on the cloud.  heck, i heard apple has been selling biometrics to the CIA.
22:33 < psych> soon, you won't need to press a button to launch a nuke... there'll be an app for that.  XD
22:33 < psych> hahaha.  the president probably already has one on his phone.
22:35 < psych> 1 error
22:35 < psych> it's the custom build step
22:35 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, that extract cmdline
22:36 <@JonnyH`Work> you could run it manually, I *think* the generated files should then be "up to date" and it skips the build step
22:36 < psych> well it appears to depend on the iso
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it needs the cd.iso in the data/ folder
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> if that's missing it will fail
22:37 <@JonnyH`Work> (Though should give a error printout if it fails to read the cd? Is that missing?)
22:37 < psych> hm.  is it ignored by .gitignore?
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> [Dd]ata/cd.iso
22:39 <@JonnyH`Work> is ignored, yes
22:39 < psych> ah yes
22:39 < psych> i see it now
22:39 < psych> line 81
22:39 < psych> i was looking further down.
22:40 < psych> it must be running the extractor now
22:40 < psych> build succeeded!
22:41 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
22:41 < psych> now i need to put cd.iso in the build foldier aye?
22:42 <@JonnyH`Work> You need to run with the whole data/ directory (including cd.iso) in the current working directory
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> msvc's "run" command at the top runs from the solution root, so it already works
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> you can run it from the cmdline:
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> .\bin\x64\release\openapoc.exe
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> from the root as well
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> and that should work
22:43 <@JonnyH`Work> (rename x64 and release as necessary)
22:44 < psych> uh oh
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> Note: Debug builds are *hella* slow to run
22:44 < psych> i shud be building x64?
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> 32 should be fine
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I tend to default to 64, but both should be tested
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> really no reason to use 32 still today
22:46 < psych> oh wow
22:46 < psych> impressive
22:46 < psych> looks like quite a bit is already done
22:46 < psych> i like how Steve Smith is my only agent, and he has diddly on him and diddly to choose from
22:47 < SupSuper> where he's going, equipment won't save him
22:47 < psych> is there a reason the screen s smaller than the actual window?
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> all the UIs are bitmaps at 640x480
22:48 < psych> it runs a little bit sluggish
22:48 <@JonnyH`Work> so scaling them looks awful
22:49 < psych> well can we somehow dynamically scale them?
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I did enable a scale feature, but I think it was broken by one of the input changes
22:49 < psych> the top bar and the right bar can expand/contract to some degree
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> so the mouse ends up being in a different part of the screen to where the cursor is drawn :P
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I've not carved the bitmaps up into 9patches or anything that would be required for that
22:50 < psych> ya
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm still happy getting "Excatly Original Apoc, No More" working right now :)
22:50 < psych> that's a late-dev feature?
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> and then we can improve on it later
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, late-dev
22:50 < psych> good idea
22:50 <@JonnyH`Work> or even "mod UI replacement"
22:51 < psych> it looks really good so far.  how long did all this take?
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> 3 years? :P
22:51 <@JonnyH`Work> On and off
22:51 < psych> son of a bitch...
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> commit dd99c517a91200a5fc55673a7d43c09c28cde744
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Author: pmprog <devhead@pmprog.co.uk>
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Date:   Sun Jul 6 15:16:35 2014 +0100
22:52 < psych> that was the last commit?
22:52 < psych> or first?
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> we're actually getting pretty close with all Istrebitel's awesome battlescape work
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> first commit
22:52 < psych> is there anything i can work on?
22:52 <@JonnyH`Work> sure
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> https://trello.com/b/lX5Y3DwR/openapoc
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I still occasionally keep the trello up to date :P
22:53 < psych> i guess i shud sign up to trello eh?
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, but it's not really a well-defiend "todo" list
22:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I tend to keep it more as a "what I'm currently working on" + "possible ideas so I don't forget them" list
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't know what you're interested in
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> or what 'separable' features are nice to start out with
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> as there's quite a bit of code to get your head around now
22:54 < SupSuper> usually i just find the first thing that's missing that bugs me and go from there
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, open the game, click a button, nothing happens
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Have a go at implemnting that screen!
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> We
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> ...We're not a big enough team that we do "proper" project management
22:55 < psych> hmmm
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> (though we probably should)
22:55 <@JonnyH`Work> If you want to figure out how the original does stuff, Skin36 is the man if you see him around
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I think Istrebitel regularly speaks to him (I don't know russian, so I think they have their own chat)
22:56 < psych> What about the organizations list?
22:56 < psych> that sounds pretty simple
22:56 <@JonnyH`Work> the list at the bottom of the city?
22:56 < SupSuper> sure, we have organizations in there... somewhere
22:56 < psych> the farthest right tab
22:56 < psych> the one with the pyramid with the eye
22:57 < SupSuper> yeah making the bottom ui actually do stuff would be good. it's a bit of a mess
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> OpenApoc::Organisation::isRelatedTo(state->getPlayer); should tell you which box they need to be in
22:57 <@JonnyH`Work> IE hostile, neutral etc.
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> though you might need some metadata to mark it as not do show some organisations
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> "Aliens" and "Civilians" come to mind
22:58 <@JonnyH`Work> but you can leave that for now :)
23:01 < psych> the tabs are under CityView, aye?
23:01 <@JonnyH`Work> CityView has an 'activetab'
23:02 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess the actual form is tab8?
23:02 < psych> ya
23:02 <@JonnyH`Work> there's an xml file describing the form in data/forms/city/tab8.form
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> currently it just has the background image ("isoborda.dat")
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it makes sense to add the 'icon' to the Organisation struct
23:03 <@JonnyH`Work> then put the image identifier string into the extractor?
23:04 <@JonnyH`Work> as I think the images are in "order" as defined in the extracted tables
23:04 < psych> also pal_01.dat
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> we use a string to identify an image
23:05 <@JonnyH`Work> "PCK:PCKFILE:TABFILE:INDEX:PALETTE" 
23:06 < psych> ahhh
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. "PCK:path/to/image.pck:path/to/image.tab:1:path/to/palette.dat"
23:06 < psych> palette
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> extracts the second image from path/to/image.pck
23:06 < psych> so once i have defined the icon for the organization
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> .pck and .tab files are *always* paired, one's an index table into the other
23:06 <@JonnyH`Work> you can either create a Graphics control with that image
23:06 < psych> k, so... what are the .form files for?
23:06 < psych> they're just schemas?
23:07 < psych> layouts?
23:07 <@JonnyH`Work> The .forms are used to populate the initial control layouts
23:07 < psych> k.  i'll try to use tab 2 as a reference
23:08 <@JonnyH`Work> so you can create a 'Scroll' and 'Listbox' that contains the Graphics controls of the actual organisations
23:08 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, tab2.form is probably a decent start
23:08 <@JonnyH`Work> as that's pretty much the same thing for vehicles
23:08 < SupSuper> only without all the crazy nested health bars :p
23:09 < psych> does naming matter?
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/openapoc_dumped_images/
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> is a big dump of 'extracted' image files
23:09 <@JonnyH`Work> to make it easier to see which image is correct
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> it looks like the organisation logos are actually in ufodata/vs_icon.pck
23:11 < psych> cool.  thanks.
23:11 < psych> ahhh
23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> starting at index 91?
23:11 < psych> i'll download the whole zip
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23:11 <@JonnyH`Work> probably easier :P
23:11 < psych> so i can see the thumbnails
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> some of the palettes might not be 'correct'
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> as some of the submenu UI screens have a different palette to teh rest of the city
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> but that just used pal_01.dat for everything
23:12 <@JonnyH`Work> but you should still see which icon it is even if the colours are wrong
23:13 < psych> right, but i can only put the list and scroll in the .form.  i'd need to build a list of organizations or something from existing tables
23:13 < psych> right?
23:13 < psych> or load the existing tables
23:14 < psych> it's all in the data dump?
23:14 <@JonnyH`Work> we already have an organisation 'extractor' in tools/extractors/extract_organisations.cpp
23:14 < SupSuper> you need to match the organizations to the sprites yourself though
23:14 <@JonnyH`Work> I think the icons are in order
23:15 < SupSuper> and yeah the organizations are already in-game, if you check ufopaedia and stuff you can see how to fetch their data
23:16 < psych> k.  dump being extracted atm
23:19 < psych> yup 91
23:19 < psych> wtf is 90?
23:21 <@JonnyH`Work> so it might just be enough to add "o->icon = loadImage(format("PCK:xcom3/ufodata/vs_icon.pck:xcom3/ufodata/vs_icon.tab:%u:xcom3/ufodata/pal_01.dat", i+90));
23:21 <@JonnyH`Work> after adding "sp<Image> icon;" to the Organisation class
23:22 < psych> sounds like ur already doing all the work.  lol
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> also, if you add a field to a class used in the GameState (IE saves and all that)
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> you also need to add it to th game/state/gamestate_serialize.xml file
23:22 < psych> k.
23:22 < psych> wait, why?
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> as that's used to generate the serialize in/out code
23:22 <@JonnyH`Work> as currently the whole GameState is completely self-contained and used as the save file
23:23 < psych> ah
23:23 <@JonnyH`Work> IE the 'extractors' effectively create an "Initial State" save file that's loaded at game start
23:27 < psych> is it spelled Organisation or Organization?
23:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Organisation, as I'm British :P
23:27 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a weird mix of US/British spellings
23:27 <@JonnyH`Work> so don't feel like you have to stick to one for new stuff :P
23:27 < psych> ya i do...
23:27 < psych> but i wanna change it
23:27 < psych> sooooo bad
23:27 < psych> but i won't
23:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I've been in the US for ~5 years now
23:28 <@JonnyH`Work> so *sometimes* I write one, sometimes the other
23:28 <@JonnyH`Work> It's hell :P
23:28 < psych> it feels like "organisation" is like "sensation" or something
23:28 < psych> or like i'm sating my taste buds on some sweet organs
23:29 < psych> sating my appetite* rather
23:29 < SupSuper> x-com was british, if it helps
23:29 < SupSuper> though sometimes even they couldn't make up their minds :p
23:30 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, both were used until the ~60s or so
23:30 <@JonnyH`Work> same with the or/our stuff
23:31 < psych> 2 space tabs or 4?
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> tab tabs
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> tabs for indent, space for align
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> There's a .clang-format file to enforce this
23:31 <@JonnyH`Work> If you install clang 3.9 use that
23:31 < SupSuper> so basically just rewrite however you want and let clang fix it :p
23:32 <@JonnyH`Work> there's a CODE_STYLE.md that describes that
23:32 < SupSuper> sometimes i don't even use linebreaks!
23:32 <@JonnyH`Work> but the "one true" reference is the tool config file :)
23:34 < psych> why does the icon need to be saved?
23:34 < psych> in the game state?
23:34 < psych> isn't just data?
23:35 < psych> it wouldn't just change eventually when u save again...
23:36 < SupSuper> it doesn't?
23:37 < SupSuper> presumably you'd add an icon reference to the organization data in the extractor, not the actual save organization data
23:37 < SupSuper> like one is in the state and the other is in... rules? i think
23:37 < psych> gamestate_serialize.xml = extractor?
23:37 < psych> extractor map*
23:38 < psych> mapping*
23:38 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, so the save *will* containthe image string
23:38 <@JonnyH`Work> not the image itself
23:38 < psych> k.
23:39 <@JonnyH`Work> sp<Image> and other 'resources' (like sounds etc.) are serialized as the description strings
23:39 < SupSuper> oh we don't have an organization_rules
23:39 < SupSuper> so i guess it is all in the save?
23:40 < psych> tab 2 looks like it's generated in the update() of CityView, so I guess that's where organizations needs to be generated also
23:41 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, the _rules are for "shared over many instances" data
23:41 <@JonnyH`Work> like one vehicle *type* gets multiple vehicle instances
23:41 <@JonnyH`Work> psych: yeah, it's probably not very efficient
23:41 <@JonnyH`Work> but we currently have no way of easily detecting state change
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> IE re-draw if someone becomes hostile so they need to be in a different list
23:42 < psych> that's fine.  update() runs on the actual game's step?  or render step?
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> the loops is pretty simple
23:42 <@JonnyH`Work> while (!quit) { state->update(); render(state); }
23:43 <@JonnyH`Work> decoupling them would take a lot of effort
23:43 <@JonnyH`Work> and probably not worth it for something that's trying to *feel* like a 90s dos game :)
23:44 < psych> i'm hoping this will eventually feel like a 2017 dos game when it's done.  lol
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm hoping for most ofthe same *gameplay*
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but obvious bug fixes/better ui/sightly cleaned up "clearly unintended features"
23:45 < SupSuper> i don't think most modern games decouple the loop either, it's dangerous grounds :p
23:45 < psych> ya, it definitely has to be the same game.
23:45 < SupSuper> unless you're trying to get the most out of console hardware or something
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: many 3d games it makes sense to interpolate position state and all that
23:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but less so for a 2d sprite-based game
23:46 < psych> well i don't know how it's done in C/C++, but C# uses event delegates that could run when something gets changed.
23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> we could use function callbacks too
23:46 < psych> but even then, game engines don't use those
23:46 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, as you get event storms as the filtering is often a pain
23:47 <@JonnyH`Work> we already allow (and use) callback lambdas for Control events (like "button clicked" and similar)
23:47 <@JonnyH`Work> you could also handle it manually in Stage::eventOccurred
23:47 <@JonnyH`Work> they're functionally the same, whatever you think fits best
23:47 < SupSuper> problem with delegates in games is you kinda want a controlled order of events
23:48 < SupSuper> if everything is firing whenever you might get nasty hits and misses, so you need to resolve every cycle at a time
23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> for "properly long-running async tasks" we have thread worker pool
23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> but that's more useful for stuff like parallel resource loading than any game logic
23:49 <@JonnyH`Work> as you probably *want* that synchronously processed
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, I've gotta run off in a few mins
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I *might* be on later
23:50 < psych> trying to learn how u get the vehicles to appear in the list
23:50 < psych> aha
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> we iterate over all vehicles
23:50 < psych> auto ownedVehicleList = uiTabs[1]->findControlTyped<ListBox>("OWNED_VEHICLE_LIST");
23:50 <@JonnyH`Work> (line 673: for (auto &v : state->vehicles)
23:51 < psych> ya i saw that
23:51 < psych> but it's simpler for organisations
23:51 < psych> cuz there's no ownership of an organisation
23:51 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, you just need to have maybe one listbox for each for allied/friendly/neutral/unfriuendy/hostile
23:51 <@JonnyH`Work> add them to each accordingly
23:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and maybe only mark the selected one as Visible?
23:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Or just skip anything not the currently selected one?
23:52 <@JonnyH`Work> donno :P
23:52 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway... see you later :)
23:52 < psych> for now just gonna get them all to appear, then put filters in
23:52 < psych> peace!
23:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll keep logs here so if you have any questions I can  get back to them
23:52 <@JonnyH`Work> or put it on the forum at openapoc.org
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23:52 < psych> sounds gud.
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02:29 < psych> sup
02:30 <@JonnyH> hola
02:31 < psych> running into new build problems
02:31 <@JonnyH> oh?
02:32 <@JonnyH> I'm on windows now, so I might be more able to follow along
02:32 < psych> trying to run it in visual studio
02:32 <@JonnyH> just need to install msvc... :)
02:33 <@JonnyH> whats wrong anyway?
02:34 < psych> eh just my code
02:34 < psych> i forget to declare prototypes
02:34 < psych> or w/e it's called
02:35 <@JonnyH> I guess :)
02:35 < psych> Organisation.h could not find definition for "Image".
02:35 <@JonnyH> c++ is really kinda held back by 'header includes are text-pasted into the compilation usage'
02:35 < psych> because I didn't put class Image; near th etop
02:36 <@JonnyH> Yeah, that's to avoid including framework/image.h directly
02:36 <@JonnyH> as then everything that includes organisation.h ends up including that too, even if it never uses the images stuff itself
02:36 <@JonnyH> and build times are already bad enough...
02:36 < psych> ya
02:36 <@JonnyH> theres a proposal (and prototypes in the latest compilers) to use 'modules' instead of headers that helps fix a lot of that though
02:36 < psych> hey where is the vehicle's icon defined?
02:37 <@JonnyH> the vehicles extractor will set it up I guess
02:38 < psych> nah
02:38 < psych> i see it now
02:38 < psych> vehicleType
02:38 <@JonnyH> Oh yeah, as it's shared for all Vehicle instances
02:38 < psych> i forgot the vehicles list can have several of the same vehicle types
02:38 <@JonnyH> so no need to have a copy of common data
02:38 < psych> organisations is different tho
02:38 <@JonnyH> Yeah, it doesn't make sense to have 2 megapols :)
02:38 < psych> ya it does
02:38 < psych> south side department and north side department
02:39 < psych> and they go at eachother
02:39 < psych> cuz they got bitter rivalry
02:39 < psych> naw j/k
02:39 <@JonnyH> But then they would have different organsiations, probably different logos, and not share much data at all :P
02:39 < psych> yah, organisations are just 1 icon of each.
02:39 < psych> there's a lot to go thru
02:41 < psych> like
02:41 < psych>  	baseControl->Name = "ORGANISATION_FRAME_" + info.organisation->name;
02:41 < psych> gives me an error
02:41 < psych> pointer to an incomplete class is not allowed
02:41 < psych> baseControl->Name = "OWNED_VEHICLE_FRAME_" + info.vehicle->name;
02:41 < psych> doesn't give an error
02:42 <@JonnyH> Are you #include "game/state/organisation.h" ?
02:42 <@JonnyH> I think it does that error if it only has a declared "class Organisation;'
02:43 <@JonnyH> but doesn't actually know what's inside
02:43 <@JonnyH> yeah.... I can't wait for c++ modules :P
02:43 < psych> ya
02:43 < psych> i mean no
02:43 < psych> but ya that fixed it
02:44 <@JonnyH> :)
02:49 < psych> doin a build
02:49 < psych> if everything works... i should see a list of organisations...
02:49 < psych> oh shit i forgot
02:50 < psych> wait...
02:51 < psych> how do i set which icons get used?
02:51 <@JonnyH> get used for what?
02:51 <@JonnyH> In what?
02:51 < psych> well gamestate_serialized.xml i set the icon member
02:51 <@JonnyH> yup
02:51 < psych> and in organisation.h i defined the icon
02:51 < psych> member
02:51 < psych> but where do i bind that?
02:51 <@JonnyH> so if you set it in the extract_organisations.cpp?
02:51 <@JonnyH> based on the index I guess
02:51 < psych> ahhh
02:52 <@JonnyH> that should be re-run as part of the 'data' project
02:52 <@JonnyH> then that'll add it to the gamestate files used at game start
02:53 < psych> hm...
02:53 < psych> so are there table references for the actual icons?
02:53 <@JonnyH> I don't think so
02:53 <@JonnyH> I *think* it's just based on their order in the organisation list
02:54 <@JonnyH> so "91+i" in the loop over the list?
02:54 <@JonnyH> I'm guessing, as most of the other things have done that
02:54 <@JonnyH> if you try that and there's something wrong I guess we'll have to look deeper
02:57 < psych> that makes sense
02:57 < psych> but i'm trying to figure out how to use loadImage()
02:58 <@JonnyH> it's "FORMAT:string"
02:58 < psych> right but the definition for the method
02:58 <@JonnyH> Ok it's hanging of the global framework class
02:58 <@JonnyH> fw().data->loadImage("PCK:WHATEVER");
02:59 < psych> alright
02:59 < psych> here goes
03:00 < psych> ugh
03:00 < psych> i'm getting this glm - release x64 when i try to run with debugger
03:00 < psych> project out of date
03:02 <@JonnyH> does it try to rebuild things?
03:04 <@JonnyH> ugh, msvc finished installing...
03:04 <@JonnyH> I think that took longer than windows itself
03:06 < psych> well it's unable to build
03:06 < psych> says cannot find the file specified
03:07 < psych> bin\intermediates\x64\Release\glm\glm.lib
03:07 <@JonnyH> ..glm shouldn't need a library... it's not a libaray
03:07 <@JonnyH> just some headers...
03:08 <@JonnyH> huh, you're right
03:08 <@JonnyH> 'build all' works fine
03:08 <@JonnyH> 'run' tries to build something that doesn't exist
03:08 <@JonnyH> oh, I see
03:08 <@JonnyH> right click on 'openapoc' project in the solution explorer
03:08 <@JonnyH> set as startup project
03:08 <@JonnyH> It's trying to debug glm
03:09 <@JonnyH> which doesn't make sense :)
03:09 <@JonnyH> no idea how that got set to the default...
03:10 < psych> done
03:11 < psych> hm..
03:11 < psych> the frames appear, but not the icons
03:12 <@JonnyH> maybe draw order? If the frames aren't transparent they might be drawn 'on top'?
03:12 <@JonnyH> Are you making a control with 2 graphic subcontrols
03:13 <@JonnyH> One for the frame, one for the icon?
03:13 < psych> ya
03:13 < psych> just like vehicle
03:14 <@JonnyH> you could unzip data/difficulty1_patched
03:14 <@JonnyH> check gamestate/organisations.xml for the icon string
03:14 <@JonnyH> make sure it's in there
03:17 <@JonnyH> if not:
03:18 <@JonnyH> - try to manually rebuild the data project to make sure it's updated
03:18 <@JonnyH> if still not:
03:18 < psych> it's there
03:18 <@JonnyH> - use the debugger/LogWarning() or something to ensure the loadImage() is succeeding (IE not returning a nullptr sp<Image>
03:18 <@JonnyH> Ok, so the extractor (and gamestate_serialize.xml) looks good
03:19 < psych> is there a way i can create a branch and check it in?
03:19 < psych> then merge after?
03:19 <@JonnyH> I think if the images failed to load it would return 'nullptr' in the extractor and that would be empty too
03:19 < psych> that way u can see what i've done so far
03:19 <@JonnyH> sure, using github desktop?
03:19 < psych> yup
03:19 <@JonnyH> have you forked it yourself, or just cloned pmprog/OpenaPoc?
03:19 < psych> just cloned
03:20 <@JonnyH> https://guides.github.com/activities/forking/
03:21 <@JonnyH> If you create your own fork under your own github username you can upload to that
03:21 <@JonnyH> and I cansee your code etc.
03:24 <@JonnyH> after you fork online
03:24 <@JonnyH> the simplest thing might be to clone your fork to a slightly different directory
03:24 <@JonnyH> copy your changes over to that
03:24 <@JonnyH> rebuild that
03:24 <@JonnyH> and submit to your own fork
03:27 <@JonnyH> well... best of luck
03:27 <@JonnyH> I've gotta go, I'll probably be on again tomorrow
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04:11 < psych> yarg.  I think I lost all my changes
04:13 < psych> yah it's all gone.  i thought i had it backed up but it's ... all gone.  :\
04:13 < psych> bummer
04:14 < psych> well i'll take another crack at it tomorrow.
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08:35 <@Istrebitel> yeah, that sucks, happened to me when I started too
08:36 <@Istrebitel> Sure does help to manually copy stuff until you've got a handle of everything and ensured it works properly
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09:18 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #115: Motion Scanner, Turn based, Accuracy Improvement, Map Generation (master...master) https://git.io/vSRgb
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10:03 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #115: Motion Scanner, Turn based, Accuracy Improvement, Map Generation (master...master) https://git.io/vSRgb
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16:46 < psych> i'll redo it a bit later.  i have a better understanding of what's going on at least.
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> heyo
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Having "fun" with git?
16:47 < psych> eh i thought i had it backed up, but turns out for some reason my backup lost the files
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> :(
16:47 < psych> well i lost the files on the backup somehow obvs
16:47 < psych> but i'm blaming my backup
16:47 < psych> bad backup!
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I tend to keep to a single git repository, and *always* commit work-in-pogress stuff
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> so even if I break something there's something in the reflog
16:48 < psych> ya, i should be doing that.
16:48 < psych> i normally don't have this problem once i get going
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> but the github client doesn't really expose any of that cool stuff
16:48 <@JonnyH`Work> so you kinda have to get your head around the (slightly weird) command line use of git
16:49 < psych> i'd still rather use vscode, but unfortunately there's no ez solution for project file updates.
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, having 2 build systems is annoying too
16:49 < psych> well i would maintain it
16:49 < psych> everything would go into .vscode
16:49 < psych> and i'd research all the .gitignore
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> HINT: Every time you add/remove a file, do the same in the CMakeLists.txt or you'll break linux/osx :P
16:49 < psych> ya, but that's wut i'm saying, i'd find a way to accomodate Cmake as well
16:50 < psych> so it auto-updates or something.
16:50 < psych> where there's a will there's a way.
16:50 < psych> i mean
16:50 < psych> i'm not high
16:50 < psych> where u get off accusin' me of that?
16:52 < psych> but i don't want to mess too much with it yet.  for now, i can work in visual studio for stuff.
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17:06 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 60ca82a Jonathan Hamilton: MSVC build: Try to fix debug glm include path in test_serialize
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15:04 < psych> what's the name of the tool or schema that's parsing the .form files?
15:05 < psych> library*
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16:31 <@JonnyH`Work> psych: It's read directly in forms/control.cpp
16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> configureFromXml();
16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> and each Control's subclass of that too
16:32 < psych> it's custom?
16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> It's a custom thing, not a standard library
16:32 <@JonnyH`Work> We kinda inherited it from pmprog's initial code
16:33 <@JonnyH`Work> and no 'standard' library seems able to fit well with the 'oldschool' UI style of apoc
16:33 <@JonnyH`Work> so we ended up continuing it
16:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I kinda avoid UI myself :P
16:33 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm sure SupSuper has more informed opinions
16:33 < psych> k, cuz i was thinking, i notice you got icons generated directly in code, but they could just be xml layouts still, with variables injected.  similar to how mvc views work.
16:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, it only works with "static" form elements in the xml
16:34 <@JonnyH`Work> so I tend to use a 'placeholder' in the form file for things that need to be dynamically generated/modified
16:34 <@JonnyH`Work> Again, not trying to say that's a *good* idea :P
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17:17 < psych> it gets the job done. :)
17:18 < psych> going out to get a potential job at a "kiosk"
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> "kiosk"?
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Sales at a shopping centre or something?
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19:01 < psych> ya
19:01 < psych> cuz no wurk
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, good luck :)
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02:25 < psych> i know it's gonna sound like i'm exagerrating...
02:25 < psych> but i nearly went unconscious when i went down to clean up my cat's shit off the basement floor.
02:26 < psych> i know what it feels like to lose consciousness.  it was a very similar feeling.
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16:27 <@JonnyH`Work> psych: Guess you should clean it up more often then :P
16:28 < psych> no, i need to kick the cat out
16:28 < psych> it's mustard gas
16:29 < psych> i used to own a cat that got sick eventually and started shitting on the floor regularily.  that was not nearly as bad as this.  this was biological warfare material.
16:31 <@JonnyH`Work> My parents have cats, but I'm allergic
16:31 <@JonnyH`Work> which is always annoying when I visit...
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18:09 < psych> ya i'm allergic too.  even this reactine medication is starting to lose it's potency from use.
18:14 < Pawlac> Did you called the NBC team yet? :^)
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21:00 < psych> nbc team?
21:01 < psych> I don't suppose any1 here would know any Unity3D?
21:01 < SupSuper> i don't like to talk about it :p
21:01 < SupSuper> what's bothering you
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14:51 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #116: Battlescape Events, Morale, Interrupt camera, Score, Experience, Briefing, TU Cost preview for fire, bugfixes (master...master) https://git.io/vSwra
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20:38 <@Istrebitel> JonnyH, just wanted you to know, surprisingly Battlescape is almost done
20:39 <@JonnyH`Work> cool
20:39 <@Istrebitel> it's like, 1 day of work left or so until everything's implemented. We still will need to adjust when we learn how it actually works in vanilla (like, Enzyme right now is made up according to my observations, and fire just assumes it works like X-Com1). But it will be a working battlescape
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess there's going to be behaviour tweaks etc. if we figure out it works slightly differently
20:40 <@Istrebitel> yes that too
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> but GREAT :D:D:D
20:40 <@Istrebitel> behavior is not done at all because I dunno what it entails, when it's studied it will be implemented
20:40 <@JonnyH`Work> And again you're making me feel bad I can't put more time into it right now...
20:40 <@Istrebitel> right now units just work in agressive (only turn to enemies and fire at them )
20:41 <@Istrebitel> So, whenever we have agent inventory, we can quickly put together a "quick combat" thing like OpenXCom and release it to be played
20:41 <@Istrebitel> to get more attention and to let people find out all the bugs for us
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> ufo2000 style?
20:41 <@JonnyH`Work> 'skirmish mode'
20:41 <@Istrebitel> OpenXCom has it too
20:41 <@Istrebitel> I guess it even originated from the same idea - needing to test battlescape
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> If you turn the quick 'select battle' ui into something a bit more real
20:42 <@JonnyH`Work> that would be a perfect 0.1 :)
20:42 <@Istrebitel> well yes
20:42 <@Istrebitel> just need inventory so I wanted to ask if you can estimate when you can tackle that
20:43 < SupSuper> Istrebitel: yeah OpenXcom new battle was literally a debug feature :p
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19:26 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #117: Hidden enemy turns, Cloaking, Minor AI improvements (master...master) https://git.io/vSo4E
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19:57 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vSoB2
19:57 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2be87de Jonathan Hamilton: Use clang-format 4.0
19:57 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0da2a9f Jonathan Hamilton: Format using clang-format 4.0
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18:06 < Thinky> Hello Jonny!
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> hey there
18:18 < Thinky> How have you been as of late?
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Busy... More Weird Times at work...
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Bit worried about visa stuff...
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> none of it helpful for openapoc
18:20 < Thinky> Yeah, know the feeling mate. At the very least it pays the bills for you!
18:20 < Thinky> The longevity of you is more important than the short-term benefit of Apoc.
18:21 < Thinky> Think of it this way, by investing in work you are able to maintain a presence in OpenApoc for a longer period of time, increasing the chance of completion.
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Or if I lose my job I'll probably take a couple of years off and do something interesting
18:21 < Thinky> Without such work, you would likely lack the finances to get this project off the ground in the first place (and by finances I mean the kind to fund the fancy new website, or to finance yourself)
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> might be a 'decent' catalyst for other stuff :)
18:22 < Thinky> *wink*
18:22 < Thinky> But it is great to see you still up and running
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I have enough finances to last a good few years ;)
18:22 < Thinky> Not to mention some real movement has been made, although it may not seem like such on the surface.
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel's done a *lot* recently
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> we're nearly feature-complete in battle
18:22 < Thinky> I have finally decided to join the researcher division, so my hope is that I can alleviate some of your stresses.
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> just tweaks/tuning left
18:23 < Thinky> He really has been amazing...
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, the 'new' forum has been a bit of a nexus for that, which is cool
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> I just hope when we 'formalise' the specific behaviours we put it somewhere a bit more searchable
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> like the ufopaedia wiki or something
18:23 < Thinky> Although, I would suggest giving someone the responsibility for the blog, as that really helps keeping people updated.
18:23 < Thinky> Yeah, that makes sense.
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I've been looking to outsource "community management" for a while
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> as I don't have time/interest to keep that ticking over
18:24 < Thinky> Although, remember that in this phase getting the foundation down is key, after that formatting can take priority.
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> my biggest fear is the knowledge gets lost...
18:24 < Thinky> I can try and help with that, but it would require me to be trained as I lack experience in that regard.
18:25 < Thinky> Although I do think I can do some searching of my own if you desire
18:25 < Thinky> And bring back some plausible candidates.
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> like some of the late '90s tools and stuff the apoc community made then was clearly made with knowledge we're having to re-reverse engineer
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, be my guest :P
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I would love someone who is able to follow commits/rebuild the game themselves too
18:26 < Thinky> Yeah, of course that is always a great asset to have.
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> so they can 'translate' that progress into more community-focused updates
18:26 < Thinky> Could you compile a list of traits that you would consider a priority for a community manager?
18:26 <@JonnyH`Work> but not a requirement (they'll probably learn some amount of that just hanging around for a while)
18:26 < Thinky> And I can make a list and dig for candidates from that.
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> I think their time, decent english (as I have a bias towards my own language, natually :)
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> and a willingness to try to follow the technical discussions would be a plus
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> as I would *love* to have 'technical' dev-focused blog posts etc.
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> I feel I (as a dev) would be interested in reading about some of the implementation details we're reverse engineering
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> but that's a bonus, not really a requirement
18:28 < Thinky> Is there any priority of those traits?
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Not really sure
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH I'm no good at 'community management' (clearly)
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> and I don't really *know* what skills are needed :P
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> other than time and effort
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> I do want to try to have someone willing to put in long-term commitment though
18:29 <@JonnyH`Work> no point getting someone up to speed then them disappearing off
18:30 < Thinky> So, I would probably put it at 1. Reliability (long-term commitment), 2. Time availability, 3. English-speaking, Bonus: Technical Knowledge (able to describe the nitty-gritty)
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> doesn't need to be native english speaking
18:30 <@JonnyH`Work> but I might occasionally nitpick their grammar ;)
18:31 < Thinky> Well, but well-spoken is certainly a priority...
18:32 < Thinky> And how often do you want a blog update?
18:33 < Thinky> once a month?
18:33 < Thinky> Once ever other month?
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably more progress-driven than time driven
18:42 < Thinky> True...
18:42 < Thinky> I think I have a list
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I think makus was trying to put together some 'current status' article as well
18:43 < Thinky> How should I post the requirements?
18:43 < Thinky> We could post them on the blog, and on the forum alike...
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure if we want it like a "Looking for" advert
18:43 < Thinky> Why not?
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> so much as generally raise awareness of openapoc as a project
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> see if we can drive traffic and see if anyone sticks around
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm a little warey about trying to pull someone not already interested in the topic at hand
18:44 < Thinky> How do you anticipate driving additional traffic?
18:44 < Thinky> Ah, that makes sense.
18:44 < Thinky> So, we could probably post it on the forum then.
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> but whatever you think is best then
18:44 < Thinky> I agree with your sentiments, actually.
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, a "Want to help openapoc? Have $THESE_SKILLS?" post might be a decent idea
18:45 < Thinky> Since I don't have the permissions on the forum, how should I post the request?
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I've gotta run off to lunch in a second
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> then maybe actually do some work :P
18:45 < Thinky> Alright, will you be able to communicate then?
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> possibly start a draft in the discussion forum
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> and when we're happy we can 'move' it somewhere more official?
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll still be here, just occasionally looking at irc
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18:57 < Thinky> Alright.
18:58 < Thinky> My primary question now is how do you suggest I post this request on the forums? Do I just post it on the appropriate forum with your blessing, or do you wish for something more extravagant?
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19:18 < Thinky> I will most likely assume the former.
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, just post it somewhere
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> if we need something more fancy we can doll it up later
19:29 < Thinky> Sounds good, I will get on that later today!
19:29 < Thinky> My hope is that I can have it out before 1700 PST
19:31 < Thinky> I am also working on a few research tasks for Apoc, but this will take immediate priority over those.
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18:51 < Thinky> Alright, Jonny, I am working on the Community Manager post as I speak.
18:51 < Thinky> It should be up soon.
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> cool
18:52 < Thinky> Any quote that you would like to have in it?
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> ...not sure it needs a 'quote' :P
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> "This is my favorite '90s game dos remake on the citadel"?
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> ...outside openxcom...
18:52 < Thinky> I thought it would be kind of funny and light-hearted
18:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and maybe if someone remade MOO2...
18:53 < Thinky> There we go!
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I should have just remade moo2...
18:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably would have been done by now
18:55 < Istrebitel> I wanted to remake MOO2
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> openmoo2.org seems dead
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> well, we have a plan when openapoc is completed then :P
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> no '90s dos game is safe!
18:56 < Thinky> Yay!
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> brb lunch
18:56 < Thinky> Should I post it in General Discussion?
18:57 < Istrebitel> I actually gave up because there's no interest
18:57 < Istrebitel> people are content with playing moo2 with hacks in dosbox
18:58 < Istrebitel> tech tree is rebalanced and the game is played 1v1 even to this day with this modder version
18:58 < Istrebitel> when I tried in 2010 reaction was "why bother, it's working fine"
18:58 < Thinky> Eh, maybe.
18:59 < Thinky> But look at OpenXcom
18:59 < Thinky> It was perfectly fine too...
18:59 < Istrebitel> erm no
18:59 < Istrebitel> it wasn't
18:59 < Kaljakoppa> Hey hey, DK II first
18:59 < Kaljakoppa> After OpenApoc
18:59 < Istrebitel> item limit for starters
19:00 < Istrebitel> then the crashes when text floods screen,
19:01 < Thinky> Item limit felt more like a feature IMHO
19:01 < Istrebitel> yeah but it killed base defenses and basically made laser weapons even more viable for larger squads
19:02 < Thinky> There was no item limit with base defenses though IIRC
19:02 < Istrebitel> there was, and you'd have no ammo for plasma if you had enough guns in stores
19:02 < Thinky> And having some viability for other weapons is perfectly fine, gives some incentive.
19:02 < Istrebitel> because guns came before ammo in priority
19:03 < Thinky> It wasn't perfect, but it was far from broken. And even if it was perfect, the modding capacity made it more than worth it.
19:03 < Thinky> Plus additional ease of life changes.
19:03 < Istrebitel> Well I'm not arguing game was unplayable, it's just MOO2 vs X-Com 1, it's clear how much improvement could be done to X-Com 1, while most of the required improvement (balanced tech tree and perks) was already moddable via hacks in MOO2
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19:53 < Thinky> JonnyH
19:53 < Thinky> Ready to post the thread when you are ready
19:53 < Thinky> I will probably do so in the next minute or so.
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, go ahead
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> we can always edit it if we change our minds
19:54 < Thinky> Yep.
19:54 < Thinky> http://openapoc.org/threads/we-want-you-as-a-community-manager.205/
19:56 < Thinky> There we are
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20:08 < Thinky> Hello pmprog!
20:09 < Thinky> How have you been?
20:10 <@pmprog_laptop> Hi, I'm okay, thanks. How are you?
20:11 < Thinky> I am doing well, sorry for not talking to you about the Community Manager post.
20:11 < Thinky> But I hope you have been doing well as of late!
20:11 < Thinky> It is awesome to see you still roaming about.
20:12 <@pmprog_laptop> :) No worries. Yeah, it could probably do with somebody who's more consistant than I
20:12 <@pmprog_laptop> I do like to try and keep an eye on the project
20:13 < Thinky> I know the feeling.
20:13 < Thinky> I have been sporadic myself.
20:13 < Thinky> Only recently joining the Researchers.
20:14 <@pmprog_laptop> Researchers?
20:14 <@pmprog_laptop> As in reverse engineering the original game?
20:15 < Thinky> Yes.
20:15 < Thinky> Going into the game and testing mechanics and such.
20:15 < Thinky> Finding out how something works.
20:15 < Thinky> A lot of parabolas in the code.
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, I still have a job tomorrow
20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> which is nice
20:17 < Thinky> Very much so.
20:18 <@pmprog_laptop> Hiya JonnyH`Work. Glad to hear
20:18 < Thinky> Tell me again, what is your occupation again?
20:20 <@JonnyH`Work> driver dev
20:20 < Thinky> Driver Developer?
20:21 < Thinky> Huh, I didn't know that, even prior I think.
20:21 < Thinky> Hopefully you find it enjoyable though.
20:21 <@pmprog_laptop> Yeah, he develops Nascar drivers
20:21 <@pmprog_laptop> :-P
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog_laptop: naa, we moved to formula-E as our major focus
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I work for these guys:
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> https://arstechnica.com/business/2017/04/apple-ditches-imagination-technologies-shares-collapse/
20:22 <@JonnyH`Work> which is why it's beed a bit "weird" this last week
20:24 < Thinky> Ah, I see.
20:24 <@pmprog_laptop> Well, I hope things work out
20:24 < Thinky> Well, that certainly is a nice occupation, I would hope!
20:24 < Thinky> Same here, best of regards to you!
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, it's not great
20:24 < Thinky> Remember not to burn yourself out, not here nor there.
20:24 <@JonnyH`Work> as I'm currently on a dodget visa that can't be transferred
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> so I feel a little "trapped"
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> even if I like the work, the guys are good
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I still fell "trapped" just because I *cant* look around
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> not that I want to look around...
20:25 <@JonnyH`Work> if you get what I mean...
20:25 <@pmprog_laptop> yeah, I understand
20:25 < Thinky> I understand.
20:25 < Thinky> That is pretty rough.
20:26 < Thinky> I don't have much experience with that unfortunately.
20:26 < Thinky> I can provide a kernel of advice though...
20:26 < Thinky> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M
20:27 <@JonnyH`Work> we only support kernel 4.5 and below right now
20:28 < Thinky> If I knew what that meant I could express my sympathy. I guess I will express it anyway :(
20:29 < Thinky> In any case, hopefully this front will come to a pass.
20:37 <@pmprog_laptop> Well, I'm off now. G'night
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20:39 < Thinky> Night.
20:44 <@JonnyH`Work> (I was making a bad joke that I'm currently working on linux kernel drivers)
20:45 < Thinky> Oh
20:45 < Thinky> No
20:45 < Thinky> Stap
20:45 < Thinky> Stahp
20:46 <@JonnyH`Work> :3
21:24 < Thinky> Awesome, an official JonnyH seal of approval on the thread, makes it easier to not have the thread locked accidentally.
21:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't understand when I become someone worth listening to...
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21:32 < Thinky> Probably about the time you became a developer, to be honest.
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16:34 < Thinky> Hello JonnyH!
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> hey-o
16:35 < Thinky> So, I am wondering...
16:35 < Thinky> Do you think after a week of having this forum thread up, and if no one applies, that we should branch out the application process?
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe?
16:35 < Thinky> And reach out to some external X-Com communities?
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Or I should just "suck it up"
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> do another update video, a couple of blog posts
16:35 < Thinky> Well, sucking it up can only go so far.
16:35 <@JonnyH`Work> and post them around
16:35 < Thinky> And isn't exactly a good long-term investment.
16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> and have an "Oh, by the way, we're looking for people!" bit in them
16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> as the videos etc. seemed a decent driver of traffic
16:36 < Thinky> That could be beneficial, for sure, and probably making a Facebook post would help as well.
16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I really want to play with Istrebitel's battlescape work too...
16:36 < Thinky> I can redirect people from OpenXcom to the thread as well
16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> Not ran it at all in weeks
16:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I have nothing planned this weekend
16:37 < Thinky> If there was a demo of the battlescape, that could drive a lot of traffic.
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> so I might lock myself in a dark room, fixup soldier equipment and make a video
16:37 < Thinky> People always like to have something tangible, whether it be buggy or not.
16:37 < Thinky> Sure, that sounds reasonable.
16:37 < Thinky> I would also suggest Facebook, again.
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> Making a branch for a "skirmish-only" verison might be useful...
16:37 < Thinky> And I can start reaching out if you so desire.
16:37 <@JonnyH`Work> hopefully not *too* much work...
16:37 < Thinky> I would hope so too...
16:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, I'm still preferring it to be "organic" - that is I want people interested in openapoc itself then think they can help out
16:38 < Thinky> And if it was just a small demonstration, it could be immensely popular.
16:38 <@JonnyH`Work> rather than the other way round
16:38 < Thinky> Maybe even drive some press progress.
16:38 < Thinky> Well, keep in mind that all potential interested members in OpenApoc may have not heard of it yet.
16:38 <@JonnyH`Work> ..when was the 20th anniversary?
16:38 < Thinky> June 30th
16:39 < Thinky> So you would have ~2.5 months
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe we should queue up a bit of a 'media blitz' for that :P
16:39 < Thinky> I would say that would be an excellent strategy.
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> A "goal" of a *fully functional* battle mode might be a worthwhile goal...
16:39 < Thinky> Agreed.
16:39 < Thinky> A 20th Anniversary demo
16:39 < Thinky> And a great show of progress.
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> and I feel having a shorter-term goal with better defined steps than "All Of Apoc" might help me get a bit of motivation :)
16:40 < Thinky> Yes, that is supposedly the ideal strategy.
16:40 < Thinky> Take small steps and eventually you will have crossed the river.
16:40 < Thinky> Or so to speak.
16:40 < Thinky> Just keep focusing on the immediate goal at hand.
16:40 < Thinky> It reduces potential stress and gives you an immediate, tangible goal.
16:40 <@JonnyH`Work> my 'problem' with the equipment stuff right now
16:40 <@JonnyH`Work> is I keep trying to rewrite it
16:41 < Thinky> Here, there is a video that may be beneficial for you, let me see if I can find it.
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I get halfway through, then think "Can I generalise this for battlescape agents/cityscape agents/cityscape vehicles"?
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> and get bogged down overdesigning :P
16:41 < Thinky> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUcp2bNTwBg
16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0
16:41 < Thinky> There we are.
16:42 < Thinky> That also works!
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> :P
16:42 < Thinky> Whatever floats yer meme boat.
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 
16:43 < Thinky> Oh come on!
16:43 < Thinky> I thought I could live a day without that!
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18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog
18:56 <@pmprog> hiya
18:56 <@pmprog> Do you know who's behind that spam email that was sent from "mailbot@openapoc.org"? :(
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> no?
18:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't think I got any spam?
18:57 <@pmprog> Well, it's arguably not "spam"...
18:57 <@pmprog> That "call to action" email
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, that's in my spam bucket...
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, probably not a good idea to do that...
18:57 <@pmprog> Yeah, I don't like it
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> I wasn't aware of that, but I think *no* emails is for the best
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess makus then?
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe send him a quick "FYI" on the forum or something?
18:59 <@pmprog> Yeah
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> same with the "asking for help with community outreach"
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I'd prefer to keep it low-key and end up not finding hemlp
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> *help
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> than going over the top and being annoying
19:04 <@pmprog> Indeed
19:19 < Istrebitel> Well, emails may be unaccepted by modern standarts, but calls for help? I think we should, definetly
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, it's a careful balance
19:20 < Istrebitel> I started posting this in facebook updates, then created a forum with tasks, and lo and behold, people are actually helping us now
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> I kinda suspect if people aren't interested enough in openapoc to read the forums they're probably not going to stick around anyway
19:20 < Istrebitel> We even had two programmers take interest, even though I don't see them around anymore, but one day someone will stick )
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> So the goal is to make people aware of it initially
19:21 < Istrebitel> That and keep reminding them because people's attention span is small these days
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect I wouldn't be the only one to see emails to groups without explicitly signing up for a mailing list as "spam"
19:21 < Istrebitel> They can easilly forget they were aware of it
19:21 <@pmprog> Personally, I don't mind facebook posts, you "like" the OpenApoc page to get those... You don't join a forum to get emails not related to the forum (IMO)
19:21 < Istrebitel> yes
19:21 < Istrebitel> emails are no-no
19:22 < Istrebitel> that's just because of the way current IT culture is
19:22 < Istrebitel> peopl do not want to get more unsolicited emails
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> it was auto-spammed by my gmail
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect that means that some other users marked it as "spam" in their gmail accounts too
19:32 <@pmprog> Gotta go, might be back in a bit
19:32 <@JonnyH`Work> o7
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18:16 < SupSuper> speaking of vcpkg, JonnyH`Work what dependencies does openapoc have?
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> you mean nuget dependencies? Or ones I've added to the build directly?
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> nuget: boost, sdl2
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> built: physfs, libsmacker, lodepng, miniz, pugixml, tinyformat
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> of those lodepng miniz and pugixml are 'single file' dependencies
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> glm and tinyformat are header-only
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> so only physfs and libsmacker have a non-trivial makefile
18:21 < SupSuper> hmmm vcpkg has most of those
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH we could just "#include" the c files for those single-file deps
18:23 < SupSuper> what about the ones we patch up? :p
18:23 <@JonnyH`Work> just physfs
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> we could replace miniz's zip management with libarchive or something...
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> libarchive also supports iso image loading
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> but not 'random access' IIRC
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> so not really useful
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19:15 < Sood> Hey guys I have a quick question about building on Windows with Visual Studio
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> sure
19:16 < Sood> Everything builds fine except for the data.iso extraction it looks like? https://hastebin.com/xakirekazo.tex I've got the ISO in the data directory though.
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> so g:\git\openapic\data\cd.iso exists?
19:16 < Sood> Yeah
19:16 < Sood> It doesn't have anything to do with it being \\data does it?
19:16 < Sood> --Framework.CD="G:\Git\OpenApoc\\data\cd.iso"
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> naa, that's fine
19:17 < Sood> hm, would it give me this error if a dependency were missing?
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> is tere an openapoc_log.txt in the directory
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> after running the extractor?
19:18 < Sood> In the data directory or?
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> the current working directory
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> so probabyl the root of the project if running in msvc
19:18 < Sood> Nope
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> hmmm....
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> so run that from the cmdline manually
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> and it should print out to the console any errors
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> IE open cmd
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> cd to g:\git\openapoc
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and run:
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> bin\Win32\Debug\extractor.exe" --Framework.CD="G:\Git\OpenApoc\\data\cd.iso" --Framework.Data="G:\Git\OpenApoc\\data"
19:19 < Sood> G:\Git\OpenApoc>"bin\Win32\Debug\extractor.exe" --Framework.CD="G:\Git\OpenApoc\\data\cd.iso" --Framework.Data="G:\Git\OpenApoc\\data" Failed to parse options: "unrecognised option '--Framework.CD=G:\Git\OpenApoc\\data\cd.iso'"
19:19 < Sood> whoops sorry that's two lines
19:19 <@JonnyH`Work> oh.
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> errm...
19:20 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: oh did you ever merge the option fix :p
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> what version of msvc are you using?
19:20 < Sood> 2017 community
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Was this the build order thingie or something?
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, v141 that ships with 2017 breaks statuc constructors
19:20 < SupSuper> yeah order of static variables or whatever
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> ....I can't remember what the fix was
19:20 < SupSuper> you had a fix in a branch iirc
19:21 < SupSuper> time to dig through your branch repository :p
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> git branch -a |wc -l
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> 176
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> ....
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> The first step is admitting you have a problem
19:21 < Sood> haha
19:24 < Sood> oddly enough VS doesn't seem to see the SDL2 packages either despite compiling with them fine; "cannot open source file SDL.h"
19:24 < SupSuper> god i missed you c++
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/73844de8c642f51f2ba52abda0bf4957cb7de09a#diff-3b425861a9ccebe45211b1f41082f192
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> was it that?
19:24 < SupSuper> *compiles a c library* *it just works*
19:25 < SupSuper> *compiles a c++ library* *you have failed the dark incantations required to get the linker export runes to line up just right so all you get are crashes*
19:25 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: yup
19:25 < SupSuper> you changed the up to a raw pointer
19:26 < SupSuper> basically this is all you need: https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commit/73844de8c642f51f2ba52abda0bf4957cb7de09a#diff-3b425861a9ccebe45211b1f41082f192L24
19:27 < Sood> yep that did it
19:27 < Sood> those two lines
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> gogo untested fixes!
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19:28 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vSQAu
19:28 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 039f769 Jonathan Hamilton: Travis: use clang 4.0
19:28 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 38b007e Jonathan Hamilton: Framework: Fix ConfigFile static constructor use...
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20:04 < Sood> http://i.imgur.com/WIa3Sdq.png hrm
20:05 < Sood> glm doesnt give any errors on building via VS either
20:07 < Sood> game runs fine outside of visual studio though
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, that means the 'startup project' has been set to glm
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> when it should be 
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> 'openapoc'
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Right-click it in the project explorer, and set as startup project
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise it tries to 'run' glm
21:16 < SupSuper> yeah vs doesn't save the startup project for mysterious reasons
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> which doesn't make sense, as it's a header-only library
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> It's part of your "user setup"
21:16 <@JonnyH`Work> so I didn't want to check it in
21:17 <@JonnyH`Work> but it defaults to weird stuff half the time
22:43 < Sood> "If you don’t have a .suo file in your solution directory, Visual Studio picks the first project in your .sln file as the default startup project."
22:43 < Sood> hrm
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> we could re-order the sln contents then?
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> as it doesn't ever make sense to try to run "glm"
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> as it's just a container for some headers
22:44 <@JonnyH`Work> no actual build artifacts
22:45 < Sood> right, assuming it doesn't break builds
22:45 < Sood> you could test it by deleting/moving your .suo file
22:46 < Sood> I don't think it'd change anything to break builds though
22:46 < Sood> but I'm a scrub
22:48 < SupSuper> i think you can have a project .suo and a user .suo
22:48 < SupSuper> since the user .suo always goes in .vs now
22:49 < SupSuper> but it's binary so i dunno how you'd make sure your project .suo doesn't have anything unwanted
22:49 <@JonnyH`Work> real men use msbuild anyway
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15:16 < SupSuper> https://puu.sh/vlT9e/d1487e587b.png now you got something to work towards
18:03 < Solbu> :-)
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18:19 < SupSuper> JonnyH: damn the new website is kinda intimidating
18:20 <@JonnyH> the new forum?
18:20 <@JonnyH> Yeah, makus seems to be firmly on the "more is better" side of things
18:20 < SupSuper> yeah
18:20 < SupSuper> lots of caps lock and flashy bits
18:20 < SupSuper> yet no news :p
18:21 <@JonnyH> TODO: Make something worthey of news
18:21 < SupSuper> News: Look at this site!
18:21 <@JonnyH> (my site is amazing)
18:24 <@JonnyH> hopefully when it starts being 'useful' to have real milestones for people to actaully use
18:25 <@JonnyH> we can move to something like the openxcom stuff, where there's a landing page of recent news/links at the side for downloads & forum
18:25 <@JonnyH> just currently that 'landing page' would be empty other than the forum likn :P
18:27 < SupSuper> i mean we hardly have any news anymore as well, so i can't knock the concept :p
18:30 <@JonnyH> so... when are you releasing 2.0?
18:32 <@JonnyH> What's still on the "todo" list?
18:36 < SupSuper> there's a todo?
18:37 < SupSuper> what i need is a mustdo instead
18:40 <@JonnyH> Like is there actaully anything you're waiting on right now?
18:40 <@JonnyH> Or just sitting on it and seeing what "interesting features" turn up?
18:44 < SupSuper> well i've mostly postponed any "interesting features"
18:45 < SupSuper> mostly i just wanna finish up what was left unused and try to make the "first installation" process smoother
18:45 < SupSuper> you know the whole "did you put the files in the right folder? what is the right folder?? what are you doing???"
18:46 < SupSuper> damn linux and its opaque installations :p
18:46 <@JonnyH> let the distros deal with that
18:46 <@JonnyH> like in gentoo it has a hook to copy that to the 'right' place
18:46 < SupSuper> yeah great job they're doing so far...
18:46 <@JonnyH> :)
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06:55 < kkmic> Mornin'
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18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog
18:00 <@pmprog> Hiya JonnyH`Work, how's things going?
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> not much the last couple of weeks on my side really
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> still wandering around sorting visas/work stuff
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> sapping my motivation for doing anything useful over the weekends :P
18:01 <@pmprog> I can imagine
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> hows things on your end?
18:02 <@pmprog> well, I'm ill again... Sick to death of being sick
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> :(
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> the curse of having kids
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> they're just disgusting little disease pits :P
18:03 <@pmprog> Yeah :)
18:04 <@pmprog> One the one hand, it's give me a bit of time on the computer to do some coding, but I flinch every time I swallow (throat infection)
18:04 <@pmprog> On this occasion, I think I'd have preferred to have been at work and done less coding
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm sure your officemates would *love* you passing it to them...
18:05 <@pmprog> I'm sure they would :)
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I also ended up just getting another larger fpga board too...
18:06 <@pmprog> I'm supposed to be taking the lad to our first swimming lesson together on Friday too... :(
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Looking back I barely have the time playing with the crap I already have :P
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> but meh...
18:06 <@pmprog> Oh? I've been looking at some today, what have you ordered?
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Ooh, I loved swimming... Haven't been for ages
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> a terasic one
18:07 <@pmprog> Yeah, my wife used to take him lessons, but we switched it so I could be more involved
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> a de10
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> it's the 'same' as one I've already got, but a newer fpga with more resources
18:08 <@pmprog> lol, I was looking at that, I saw a video of somebody creating a new CPU and compiled Doom for it
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> plus  a couple of arm cores you can run 'normal' code on
18:08 <@pmprog> Oh, that vid was the DE2
18:08 <@pmprog> nvm
18:09 <@pmprog> I never really figured how the ARM cores work on those boards
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess I'll find out :P
18:09 <@pmprog> Can you program the FPGA from them? Because AFAIK, Lattice are the only FPGA that have an open toolchain (even if they weren't planning on it)
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess you can poke in the bitstream
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> but probably not build without their quartus toolchain...
18:10 <@pmprog> I'm just using my Turbo Chameleon at the minute. I installed Xilinx's Vivado, but couldn't really figure where to start
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC there's *some* work on getting compatible bitstreams out of altera/xilinx devices too
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I ended up figuring what cmdline tools the quartus gui ended up calling and writing a makefile :P
18:11 <@pmprog> cool
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> my plan is to write a "gpu" :P
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> then I can drive it from linux or something on the arm
18:12 <@pmprog> hehe, I've been working on a GPU today, but it will have it's own CPU too (actually a dual core system)
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I did some work on a cpu too
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> a craptacular ISA, a C similator
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> and was trying to get my 'crappy' verilog implementation into somethig that's pipelined/has caches/whatnot
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> which is when I put that project to the side last year sometime...
18:16 <@pmprog> I was messaged by a guy who'd done this project - https://hackaday.io/project/18206-a2z-computer - that's quite a feat, I'm impressed
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> looks cool :)
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> The problem with mine is ambition
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> It keeps expanding before I finished the last stage...
18:17 <@pmprog> :) Yeah, I know that one... Although my bigger problem is I'm crap with circuits, so I can't really design my own hardware, which would have been nice
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> I've done a little of that recently with various pcb design tools
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Even got a few things of osh park
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> (mainly a breakout board for a lcc cpld
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> )
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> oh, and some power circuitry
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> switching power supplied for various 3.3/5.0v devices
18:18 <@pmprog> I tried to design a Pi Hat, that had two lots of header ports... just like the ProtoPal board, however, when I try and link up holes, I get design errors, so I have no idea why I can't match it...
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> what sw are you using?
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC kicad has layouts for pi-comatible stuff
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh, I also need to finish my 'hex display'
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> 2x7 segment displays, a little cpld on a board
18:20 <@pmprog> Design spark, and I've also installed Fritzing... but can't figure out how to use that at all
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> to show the hex of an 8bit logic bus
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> designed to stick together to do wider busses :)
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> gen1 used a atmega
18:21 <@JonnyH`Work> but I wanted to move to a cpld, feels 'cleaner' if it's directly logic controlled instead of a program on a uc
18:25 <@pmprog> got to nip away, back in a bit
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18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> o7
18:25 <@JonnyH`Work> I might be gone for lunch when you get back anyway...
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18:34 <@pmprog> back
18:35 <@pmprog> Hi SupSuper
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> hola sup
18:37 < SupSuper> hey
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> how goes project "define openxcom 2.0"?
18:37 < SupSuper> shocked nobody weighed in with more stuff :p
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> post it on the forum and open the bikeshedding floodgates? :P
18:39 < SupSuper> but i'm too young to die!
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> abuse your mod powers to rewrite comments that aren't just blind devotion to the Glory of The Devs?
18:40 < SupSuper> you can't do hidden edits
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> Time to learn sql directly? :P
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> let me know if I can help
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> I might have more luck with smaller "well defined" tasks than staring at the big todo list for openapoc...
18:43 < SupSuper> did you ever finish the tooltips? :P
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> up to the point of it breaking on the dodget overlapping multiple Forms in the cityui, yes
18:44 <@pmprog> I still never figured out why you guys implemented multiple forms in the city ui
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> as one of the Forms just never gets any mouse over/leave events
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> pmprog: it seemed easier at the time not to replicate the controls that are common over all tabs
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> but in hindsight....
18:44 <@pmprog> Yeah, but even that you didn't need to do
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> It might  work if we carve it up so they're not overlapping
18:45 < SupSuper> it's not like anyone understands forms but you pmprog :p
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> and now the Forms are copied
18:45 <@pmprog> I guess :)
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> we could just insert them into the tree of a single super Form
18:45 <@pmprog> My own fault
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> so there are solutions... just none are implemnted yet :P
18:46 < SupSuper> could just make it a form with various swappable control containers?
18:46 < SupSuper> i don't know why that's simpler than different forms but... i don't get forms :p
18:46 <@pmprog> If you implement two Panels in the same space, you can just make one visible and the other not, and switch to toggle between
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> The 'different forms' that don't share a tree kinda break assumptions made about input events
18:46 <@pmprog> The forms system wasn't designed to support more than one form in a screen
18:47 <@pmprog> at least when I implemented it
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> overlapping non-visible controls ahve the same issue
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> the first 'tree' it goes down will mark it as Handled
18:48 < SupSuper> pmprog: it's funny how that never occured to me since that's basically what openxcom does :P
18:48 <@pmprog> No, because an invisible form returns unhandled without processing (or at least it should)
18:48 <@JonnyH`Work> even if the currently active control is in the next tree
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> hmmm.. if the top-level Form of each is what's marked as non-visible it should work
18:49 < SupSuper> although sometimes we cheat and *reuse* controls between states. but don't tell anyone that
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> looking at the code
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I probably did something slightly different when I tried it last :P
18:49 < SupSuper> pmprog: i guess the problem now is to do it "correctly" we'd have to unhack all the hacks we added to do it "wrong" :P
18:49 <@pmprog> Actually, I'm not sure "Visible" is the trigger, probably more likely "Enabled"
18:49 <@pmprog> aye
18:50 < SupSuper> i don't think Enabled existed way back
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> f (c->Visible && c->Enabled)
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> for each subcontrol
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> so it *should* work if we have a tree like:
18:51 <@pmprog> Looks like your right (at least looking at the SuperJumpKickTurbo version of the Forms lib)
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> Form(Base with all common controls) - Form1(Disabled)
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work>                                              \ Form2(Enabled)
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> hmm.. it looks like Visible but not Enabled forms are still drawn
18:52 <@pmprog> Actually "Control" is the base control, Form is a special version of Control
18:52 <@pmprog> Yes they are
18:52 < SupSuper> why not just hide it *and* disable it :p
18:52 <@pmprog> Visible is drawing, Enabled should be if it accepts input
18:52 <@pmprog> Alternatively, you could have just set the "Y" location to 99999
18:52 <@pmprog> to move it offscreen ;)
18:58 <@JonnyH`Work> not future proof for people who get 100k monitors
18:59 < SupSuper> or 100 1080p monitors
19:00 <@pmprog> well, because of the heirarchy, as the form only has the height of a couple of hundred, the control @ 99999 would be untouchable
19:00 <@pmprog> It's all water under the bridge now anyways
19:01 <@pmprog> I gotta go. Cya next time
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19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> so I'll probably go in and fix the form use
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> instead of the forms library itself
19:01 <@JonnyH`Work> as that's not 'wrong'
19:02 < SupSuper> *several weeks later*
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> brb
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23:43 < Colombo> hi
23:43 < Colombo> the new site is bad
23:43 < Colombo> can we have the old site back?
23:44 < Colombo> 1. too much animation EVERYWHERE
23:44 < Colombo> 2. too much images EVERYWHERE
23:45 < Colombo> I am not sure about the color combination (this shade of green, blue is good, personally I would tone down the green)
23:46 < Colombo> 3. Some text is written on that game screenshot, but it is not readable.
23:47 < Colombo> (i.e., on top right corner), adding frame/rectangle without background with those icons and text would be better
23:47 < Colombo> and please, stop those warp gates rotating. The movement is drawing attention.
23:49 < SupSuper> i've showed the same concerns. you'd have better luck asking on the forums, i think makus made the new site?
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17:40 < Istrebitel> BTW still got no email about youtube. Are you sure starsabre@gmail.com is listed as accepted account for that cahnnel?
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> sent it again....
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> *shrug*
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13:57 < Kaljakoppa> Hotseat, you motherf*rs :D
13:58 < Kaljakoppa> Great to see others so productive
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15:30 < _michal> https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/679f93/openapoc_update_24042017_hotseat_openapoc_is_work/
15:30 < _michal> https://www.reddit.com/r/Xcom/comments/679evh/openapoc_update_24042017_hotseat/
15:30 < _michal> JonnyH`Work: ^^
15:30 < _michal> Istrebitel: ^^
15:30 < _michal> SupSuper: ^^
15:31 < _michal> i've posted latest video from openapoc to reddit ;)
15:31 < SupSuper> at this rate we might as well ditch the rest of the game and remake e-mail x-com :P
15:33 < Istrebitel> JonnyH, how's your situation? As soon as we have inventory, we can actually release 0.1 version with working Skirmish (everything sans base defense missions)
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: 'almost working' local prototype so far
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> so Hopefully have time this week to cleanup and checkin
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> you pushed all your work to pmprog Istrebitel?
16:39 <@JonnyH`Work> Don't want to fight merge conflicts :)
16:51 < Istrebitel> ok will do so now
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> even if it's not 100% perfect feel free to push to pmprog
16:52 <@JonnyH`Work> so long as it doesn't completely break *everything* :)
16:55 < SupSuper> as long as it compiles, that's all that matters right :p
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16:57 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #118: Skirmish, Hotseat, Agent ranks, Mission ending, Promotions, Crews (master...master) https://git.io/v9Lmr
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16:58 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 14 new commits to master: https://git.io/v9Lmo
16:58 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d28e8c2 Istrebitel: Agent ratings progress #1
16:58 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 69d625f Istrebitel: Mission ending, Proper pre-placed smokes...
16:58 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c894fe3 Istrebitel: Rank, Promotions, Target tile on map, Bugfixes...
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17:53 < Thinky> Hello!
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Hello!
17:54 < Thinky> How is your day going?
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> ...like any other workday I guess? :P
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> I tend to dislike mondays as I have to be in early for meetings
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> and again have another meeting last thing, so can't disappear early :(
17:54 < Thinky> Yes, I agree with that notion.
17:55 < Thinky> So, I have noticed that Istrebitel has been uploading updates to his channel, never noticed that before!
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, something weird seems to have gone on with google
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> and I seem to be unable to give him access to the "openapoc" channel...
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> really annoying
17:56 < Thinky> That is...
17:56 < Thinky> Does he post them on the forums too?
17:56 < Thinky> Because that may be a good way to raise some awareness.
17:57 < Thinky> Otherwise, I can always try and post the updates on the X-Com Subreddit, if you would like.
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> I don't want to over-hype stuff until it's "ready"
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> perhaps a 0.1 with hotseat mode would be the next "big" announcement :)
17:58 < Thinky> With Skirmish capacity?
17:58 < Thinky> Or, at least, tactical combat?
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, skirmish-only "game" mode
17:59 < Thinky> That sounds awesome.
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure how compelling it would be as a separate game
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> but it'll be "playable" :)
18:00 < Thinky> But if I may say, I think re-posting these update videos would not be over hyping in the slightest, rather it will keep people informed and inform potential newcomers, which could aid our outreach to new programmers in the long-run.
18:00 < Thinky> Yep, as long as they have something tangible it should be perfect for a little "taste" of what is to come.
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, I could get Istrebitel to give me or pmprog (or someone) the raw videos to re-upload as a workaround for now
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> or just link in forum posts/reddit or whatever
18:01 < Thinky> Linking it in the forums would be a great first step, next finding a way to upload them to the Apoc channel would also be good.
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> but I see for most people who aren't interested in following the devlopment
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> being linked to a site with nothing usable for them doesn't make sense
18:04 < Thinky> I don't entirely understand
18:04 < Thinky> What site are we talking about?
18:04 < Thinky> The forums?
18:04 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean doing publicity posts on reddit and the like
18:05 <@JonnyH`Work> before we have a 'click here to download $SOMEWHAT_WORKING_BUILD' button setup :)
18:05 < SupSuper> a bunch of people have complained how flashy and attention-distracting the site/forum/whatever is
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it feels a little hyperactive with bold colors/background/animation
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe fading the background slightly
18:06 <@JonnyH`Work> and de-cluttering the 'home' screen would be useful?
18:07 <@JonnyH`Work> Perhaps suggest it to makus?
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> Having the homepage better fit the "What we are and current status" at a glance use-case would be nice
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> as I feel it'll be completely opaque to someone who doesn't already know what's going on
18:08 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, gotta run for another meeting, then probably lunch, back in a bit
18:08 < SupSuper> gifs in the background are probably bad, like the gate thing
18:16 < Istrebitel> Idk, I like everything about new design, but it seems only me
18:17 < Istrebitel> Maybe make a poll for site visitors? And remove it if majority votes no? Or have a button for "low intensity design" that saves in a cookie and user never again sees any animation and everything's faded out?
18:24 < SupSuper> that sounds like fixing clutter with more clutter :p
18:24 < Thinky> I don't know, I like it.
18:51 < Thinky> I kind of like the Apocalypse backround.
18:52 < Thinky> At the very least, while it may require more effort, an option to choose which backround would be appreciated.
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> I think maybe the background at 50% opacity or something might be better..
19:47 <@JonnyH`Work> A little less contrast for "background" stuff
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> heh, this salad makes a sales point of being "Nutrient dense - 500 calories!"
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> you read the back, it's 200 cals in the salad
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> 300 in the *Dressing*
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> may as well just drink oil...
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20:20 < SupSuper> i'm usually against anything blinking or animating on a website
20:20 < SupSuper> reminds me of <blink>
20:21 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, animations (especially those not as a direct result of user input) are often just distracting
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22:22 < Thinky> So, it doesn't seem that many are biting at the Community Manager Application.
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13:58 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #119: Small fixes (master...master) https://git.io/v9qgP
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15:21 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: game/state/battle/ai/unitaivanilla.cpp:122
15:21 <@JonnyH`Work> "if (state, u.canAttackUnit(state, target, e) == WeaponStatus::NotFiring)
15:21 <@JonnyH`Work> is that "state," meant to be there?
15:21 <@JonnyH`Work> it has no effect
15:22 < Istrebitel> yes that's a bug lol
15:22 < Istrebitel> i didn't know that syntax is allowed
15:22 < Istrebitel> what does it do?
15:22 <@JonnyH`Work> it acts as 2 separate statements
15:22 <@JonnyH`Work> with the 'value' defined by the last
15:23 <@JonnyH`Work> IE you could do something like:
15:23 <@JonnyH`Work> if (FunctionWithSideEffects(), value)
15:23 <@JonnyH`Work> it would always run FunctionwithSideEffects(), then the if statement would be taken based on 'value'
15:23 <@JonnyH`Work> but as 'state' is a statement with no side effects (it does *nothing*) it's just ignored
15:27 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: do you still have the extracted apocalypse files hosted somewhere?
15:32 <@JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/openapoc_dumped_images/
15:32 <@JonnyH`Work> that?
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16:19 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: thanks
16:30 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRc that's the output of "OpenApoc_DumpEverything" in the tree
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18:04 < Solbu> For some reason I envisioned some alien dumping everything in a tree… ;-)
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19:07 <@pmprog_laptop> Hi everyone/anyone :)
19:07 <@JonnyH`Work> hey-o
19:07 <@pmprog_laptop> Hiya JonnyH`Work
19:08 <@pmprog_laptop> You know, was thinking about your comment on the ZX Next thread on the Pyra boards... It's kinda making me wonder why I'm bothering writing any FPGA at all, when I'm already writing software framework for games and apps anyway
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> if you dont need cycle-level compatibility just running sw on an ARM core that's 10000x the speed of the original is often a good choice, yeah
19:10 <@pmprog_laptop> Yeah, I was thinking more of my project where I've been designing a CPU and GPU - which will hit 640x480. When really, I have a fastly superiour system really that I don't even have to try and write network/keyboard/mouse/usb/sdcard drivers etc.
19:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Projects like that are kinda about the journey
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> there will inevitably be *something* out there that already does all that but better
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> but that's not really the point ;)
19:12 <@pmprog_laptop> Yeah, I guess
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> same reason why people still do amiga/c64 demos today
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> the (arbitrary) limits are part of the challenge
19:14 <@pmprog_laptop> Some cracking C64 games still coming out
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> but they probably could be "better" on a windows w/intel i7 and 16gb ram :P
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> or at least 'much faster to develop'
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> but working outside the limitations means it doesn't shape the end result in the same way
19:15 <@pmprog_laptop> But I do kinda wonder if, given my lack of free time, I should be working on my game using the tools I have, or spend my time making a new computer that needs all brand new tools
19:16 <@pmprog_laptop> One of the things I would really really like, but can't find, is a USB keyboard which has enough empty space to install a Pi or some other single board computer
19:16 <@pmprog_laptop> So you kinda get the "old school" all-in-one computer
19:16 <@pmprog_laptop> but suited to modern day single board computers
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> surely you could fit something like this *somewhere*: https://www.e-consystems.com/DM3730-som-computer-on-module.asp
19:20 <@pmprog_laptop> There's no ports on it... and to be honest, I took a couple of keyboards apart to look at fitting in the Pi Zero, there's not a lot of space inside keyboards anymore
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> I saw something recently even smaller than that using a pop-omap3/ram/whatever
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> and it had a fair few gpio pins...
19:22 <@JonnyH`Work> https://github.com/jadonk/PocketBone
19:24 <@pmprog_laptop> cool
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I have no idea why a "mint tin" is a standard measurement unit
19:24 <@JonnyH`Work> is it a common form factor? Are all mint tins the same size?
19:26 <@pmprog_laptop> I have no idea, think I saw that (or something similar) on hackaday
19:26 <@JonnyH`Work> probably where I saw it :)
19:27 <@pmprog_laptop> http://hackaday.io/project/19495
19:28 <@pmprog_laptop> https://hackaday.io/project/9464-tin-piboy
19:28 <@pmprog_laptop> https://hackaday.io/project/303-candy-tin-pc
19:28 <@pmprog_laptop> couple of others
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Useful. I mean everyone has a home reflow oven, right?
19:28 <@pmprog_laptop> lol, somebody on the Pyra board does :)
19:28 <@JonnyH`Work> (I kinda do :)
19:30 <@pmprog_laptop> lol, that doesn't surprise me
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> well a hacked toaster oven w/temp control :)
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> not used it for much (yet?)
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> no bga stuff
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> not sure if it'd be accurate enough for that
19:34 <@JonnyH`Work> also masking the paste looks a pain
19:48 <@JonnyH`Work> also maybe with a larger fpga they can get the clockspeed up or other perf improvements?
19:50 <@JonnyH`Work> there weren't any "plugin accelerator cards" or anything for the zx right?
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19:51 <@pmprog_laptop> Sorry, laptop went to sleep because guess what, I was busy trying to fix the frigging bed
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> you broke your bed?
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 
19:53 <@pmprog_laptop> One of the drawers undearneath has come off the rails :(
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> :P I'm a child
19:54 <@pmprog_laptop> You're not moving in... :)
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, it *would* save on rent....
20:01 <@pmprog_laptop> Yeah, but think of all the chores you'd have to do for me...
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> and the curfew would suck....
20:03 <@pmprog_laptop> As long as you let me sleep, you could stay up as long as you wanted :)
20:04 <@pmprog_laptop> I best go now. Take it easy, and catch you later
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> o7
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20:04 < SupSuper> damn and just as it was getting hot in here
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> he ran 'caus he couldn't take it :P
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16:02 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog
16:02 <@pmprog> Hiya
16:02 <@pmprog> How's it going?
16:02 <@JonnyH`Work> alright I guess
16:03 <@JonnyH`Work> Booking more flights back to the UK - this time to sort visa stuff for work not holiday though
16:04 <@pmprog> I saw you post on FB you were coming back. I was tempted to ask if you were heading up my way
16:04 <@JonnyH`Work> Guess it depends where "your way" is :P
16:04 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll probably be around London for a few days, then Leicester, then Newcastle
16:04 <@pmprog> Yeah, I'm miles off... I'm close to Chester
16:05 <@JonnyH`Work> so I guess I'll have to remain some mysterious internet-only entity for now then
16:05 <@pmprog> hehe, yeah... you probably don't want all my germs anyway :P
16:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm getting to the age where a lot of my friends are starting to get kids (and the corresponding germs) of their own...
16:09 <@pmprog> ah well, take a smog mask or something with you ;-)
16:11 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm sure they'll understand me turning up in a full hazmat suit
16:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Can't be too careful
16:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Though considering the fact I nearly always get a cold or *something* when I fly it might be to protect them more than me
16:17 <@pmprog> :)
17:27 <@pmprog> JonnyH`Work:  are you still here?
17:27 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
17:28 <@pmprog> So I'm working in a git that has a submodule, and I've made changes to that submodule. I've commited the changes and trying to push and it's giving me an error "hint: Updates were rejected because a pushed branch tip is behind its remote"
17:29 <@pmprog> I can't git pull, because it's a submodule
17:29 <@pmprog> if I do the submodule update, it tells me everything is up to date
17:30 <@pmprog> Bah, this is easier in TortoiseGit in Windows
17:30 <@JonnyH`Work> you can cd to a submodule and pull/push as normal?
17:31 <@pmprog> Nope
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> no, you can
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> A submodule is just a git repository in asubdirectory
17:31 <@pmprog> On pull it says I'm not in a branch
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> where the parent has a default sha it checks out?
17:31 <@pmprog> git push tells me that fast-forward error
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git checkout master' to get back onto a branch
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> then 'git pull'?
17:32 <@pmprog> oh f**k
17:32 <@pmprog> Warning: you are leaving 1 commit behind, not connected to
17:32 <@pmprog> any of your branches:
17:32 <@pmprog>   81bd6a7 Framework fixes
17:32 <@pmprog> If you want to keep them by creating a new branch, this may be a good time
17:32 <@pmprog> to do so with:
17:32 <@pmprog>  git branch new_branch_name 81bd6a7
17:32 <@pmprog> Switched to branch 'master'
17:32 <@pmprog> Your branch is behind 'origin/master' by 1 commit, and can be fast-forwarded.
17:32 <@pmprog>   (use "git pull" to update your local branch)
17:33 <@pmprog> WTF? Have i just lost my changes?
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> you still have the ref "81bd6a7"
17:33 <@pmprog> How do I merge that into master?
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> yoou can cherry-pick that on top of master if you want
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git cherry-pick 81bd6a7'
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> when you have master checked out?
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> And even if you didn't have that in your console history
17:34 <@pmprog> error: could not apply 81bd6a7... Framework fixes
17:34 <@pmprog> hint: after resolving the conflicts, mark the corrected paths
17:34 <@pmprog> hint: with 'git add <paths>' or 'git rm <paths>'
17:34 <@pmprog> hint: and commit the result with 'git commit'
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> you can see recent changes with 'git reflog'
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> So if you want to keep the changes you can fix the current state of the repository
17:34 <@JonnyH`Work> IE look for the >>>>/<<<< merge conflict markers and fix it to work
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> then 'git add path/to/changed/file'
17:35 <@JonnyH`Work> then 'git cherry-pick --continue' marks that as completed
17:38 <@pmprog> Oh this is totally messed up :(
17:39 <@pmprog> Should have stayed away from submodules, but VS doesn't like referencing files outside of the solution directory
17:40 <@pmprog> On branch master
17:40 <@pmprog> Your branch and 'origin/master' have diverged,
17:40 <@pmprog> and have 3 and 1 different commit each, respectively.
17:40 <@pmprog>   (use "git pull" to merge the remote branch into yours)
17:40 <@pmprog> nothing to commit, working directory clean
17:40 <@JonnyH`Work> you can 'git rebase origin/master'?
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> if you want to pull in the remote changes then re-apply your local change on top of *that*
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> so the solution kinda depends on what you want
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> and what's changed in the remote and what's changed in your local repo
17:43 <@pmprog> Well, I did a rebase, it told me to fix a conflict, I did that, then did rebase --continue, it then told me to merge, which I needed to commit, and now it says there's nothing to do but it's still fucjed trying to push
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> so 'git rebase origin/master' doesn't do anything?
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Assuming 'origin' is the remote you want
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> and 'master' the branch :)
17:47 <@pmprog> It seems that there is already a rebase-apply directory, and
17:47 <@pmprog> I wonder if you are in the middle of another rebase.  If that is the
17:47 <@pmprog> case, please try
17:47 <@pmprog>         git rebase (--continue | --abort | --skip)
17:47 <@pmprog> If that is not the case, please
17:47 <@pmprog>         rm -fr "/home/marq/Code/tobysquest/.git/modules/pfx/rebase-apply"
17:47 <@pmprog> and run me again.  I am stopping in case you still have something
17:47 <@pmprog> valuable there.
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> so you're already in the middle of a rebase?
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> did 'git rebase --continue' not succeed?
17:47 <@pmprog> I have no idea, and I'm just getting pissed off
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> Or did the *next* patch need fixing too
17:47 <@pmprog> Applying: Framework fixes
17:47 <@pmprog> No changes - did you forget to use 'git add'?
17:47 <@pmprog> If there is nothing left to stage, chances are that something else
17:47 <@pmprog> already introduced the same changes; you might want to skip this patch.
17:47 <@pmprog> When you have resolved this problem, run "git rebase --continue".
17:47 <@pmprog> If you prefer to skip this patch, run "git rebase --skip" instead.
17:47 <@pmprog> To check out the original branch and stop rebasing, run "git rebase --abort".
17:48 <@pmprog> That's what I get each time I rebase --continue
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> does 'git status' say there's any changed files?
17:48 <@pmprog> rebase in progress; onto 7060664
17:48 <@pmprog> You are currently rebasing branch 'master' on '7060664'.
17:48 <@pmprog>   (all conflicts fixed: run "git rebase --continue")
17:48 <@pmprog> nothing to commit, working directory clean
17:49 <@pmprog> try --skip?
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess that means during the rebase it ended up with *no changes* while trying to pull in a change
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> possibly as the 'same' code was already there in anothuer commit?
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> Then --skip should work
17:49 <@pmprog> I don't know, I just did a git submodule update then made my changes and tried to commit and push it
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect that must be the case
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise the rebase would have changed *some* file
17:51 <@pmprog> Okay, everything's pushed and I'm getting no more errors, now to try and compile it on both machines
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> This is a problem with diverging from upstream :P
17:51 <@pmprog> I don't use branches... I use SC so I have one copy of the code for all my machines
17:52 <@pmprog> I'm beginning to think Git might be the wrong tool for the job
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> git kinda tries to make you think of source as a stream of patches
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> not ideal if you "just want the same head on multiple machines"
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> great if you might want different patches merged together
17:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I quite like it, but the rebase can often require a bit of manual tweaking if I happen to let things get out of sync
17:53 <@pmprog> yeah, as it's generally my own projects (these days), all I need is a way to keep all my machines up to date with the latest code version (and have a certain amount of rollback, though I don't really use this functionality)
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> you just have to get into the habit of *always* pulling when you start on a new machine
17:54 <@JonnyH`Work> and pushing at the end
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> if you always just want a snapshot of "current" you could use reset instead of rebase
17:55 <@JonnyH`Work> but then you *do* run the risk of losing changes if you get out of sync
17:59 <@pmprog> well, looks like the code is all sorted now, but it doesn't work in Windows for some reason
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> what is this anyway?
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Your own code in a submodule? Or something you're pulling in from a 3rd party?
18:00 <@pmprog> Yeah, it's my new framework, and I'm using it in a game
18:00 <@pmprog> I originally tried to turn the framework into a library to link, but I ran in to a few issues with that
18:01 <@JonnyH`Work> shared libraries aren't really useful unless you expect to be able to replace them
18:02 <@JonnyH`Work> and static libraries are just a "code organisation" tool
18:02 <@pmprog> well, yeah, I didn't want to keep copying my framework code into each project I started
18:03 <@pmprog> so a library would have been better, as you just add the lib and headers to the path; but the compile problems meant I had to go with code, and hence the "submodule" approach, which I dislike
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I kinda like projects being "self contained" anyway
18:03 <@JonnyH`Work> but as you've found out a lot of tools don't seem to like submodules :P
18:05 <@pmprog> yeah, I even wrote a directory comparer tool that I might scratch the submodule and just use that to compare and sync the framework folders
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21:48 <@JonnyH`Work> Having looked at OpenXcom's FlcPlayer.cpp I'm suddenly a lot happier about my dodgey VideoScreen implementation in openapoc...
21:51 < SupSuper> well you just call a library :p
21:51 < SupSuper> it's not great though, apparently it doesn't work with any other FLIC besides x-com's
21:52 < SupSuper> i assume they're non-standard
21:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean FlcPlayer completely takes over the sdl event loop
22:07 < SupSuper> well it's not like anything else is going on...
22:07 < SupSuper> still, feel free to write your own :p
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I justwas wondering if some of my previous experiements with ffmpeg and stuff would be useful for warboy's comments in #openxcom
22:08 <@JonnyH`Work> probably not though
22:15 < SupSuper> yeah i was thinking if just strapping ffmpeg would be the more updated option, or libsmacker to stick to the 256 colors
22:15 < SupSuper> the real question is why does x-com need cutscenes :p
22:16 < SupSuper> appealing to modders is always a slippery slope
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17:10 < TheSnide> can't we preprocess the whole ISO prior to first load ?
17:10 < TheSnide> then we'll be very free and open to modding ;)
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> we only use it for images and sound "live"
17:11  * TheSnide is a strong supporter of "hdd is cheaper than braincycles"
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> we *could* copy all the .pck/audio files out and whatnot
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> but I thought a single monolithic file would be "less braincycles" :P
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> perhaps copy the .iso to a "correct" place in the installer?
17:12 < TheSnide> more converting them to something very easy to use
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> the only usable format that doesn't lose data is a paletted png
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> which is *very* poorly supported by tools
17:12 < TheSnide> and let the ugly parsers to a separate part of the code ;)
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> it would be easy to accidently re-order the palette or push it down to rgb...
17:13 < TheSnide> rgb does loose data ?
17:13 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, as it means the palette swaps will no longer work
17:13 < TheSnide> how many palettes do you have ?
17:14 < TheSnide> it's for night/day ?
17:14  * TheSnide thinks about swapping the whole sfx set ;)
17:14 < TheSnide> which was heresy in 1995 but nowadays...
17:15 < TheSnide> gfx set
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> it's only used in the city though
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> battlescapes don't have any lighting/shading based on palette (unlike ufo/tftd)
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> so you *could* allow providing 3 rgb image (day, twilight, night) and blend those instead
17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> the 'palette swap' is no longer required for performance as we can blend a whole screen of images perfectly well on any remotely modern hardware using opengl
17:17 <@JonnyH`Work> but rgb blending isn't implemented, not because it's hard but just because nothing uses it in the original game data
17:50 < TheSnide> having PNG would be nicer IMHO
17:51 < TheSnide> just because it would remove lots of complexity out of the runtime.
17:52 < TheSnide> .. that said, it is *not* the highest prio right now
17:52 < TheSnide> (quite far from it)
17:53 < TheSnide> it would have eased the early days of the project, or can ease the late ones : which would involve redraw the gfx, like openttd did
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> we already support png replacements right now
18:00 <@JonnyH`Work> but not with the palette swaps (unless you have a paletted png that *happens* to have the same indices, which is difficult with common tools)
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19:32 < pmprog_laptop> JonnyH`Work, are you here? I need to pester you again :)
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> hey
19:55 < pmprog_laptop> Hiya
19:55 < pmprog_laptop> Can I ask how the hell you managed to build Allegro on Windows?!
19:56 < pmprog_laptop> Everything I try just fails for me
19:56 < pmprog_laptop> So I downloaded the "nuget" package and unzipped it, but some of my code runs dog slow... However, when I'm on Linux, it's like lightning, so I'm assuming it's the build or something
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> BUILD=debug?
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be similar to how the msvc debug mode on openapoc is *slllloooooooowwwwwww*
19:57 < pmprog_laptop> Well, I'm not linking against the debug libs
19:57 < pmprog_laptop> Would that matter if my program was debug?
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe? I mean openapoc is super slow in debug due to stl usage, not the renderer itself
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> so depends on if there's 'hot' paths in your own code
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> Well, it slows down when I'm doing a mass of al_draw_bitmap_portion, even if I call al_hold_drawing
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> no idea then...
19:59 < pmprog_laptop> But I get all sorts of errors when trying to build allegro myself, it's just bizarre
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> you using a cmake generated vcxproj?
20:00 < pmprog_laptop> yeah
20:01 < pmprog_laptop> Almost need a way to "clean" my build environment
20:02 < pmprog_laptop> But you created all those submodules that built under OpenApoc, and it worked
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRC that was when the cmake allegro 5.2 was 'crazy unstable' still
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> so I used an older 5.0 branch and manually added my own project file
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> but that was about the same time we moved to sdl2 anyway.. can't remember much of allegro
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> you probably dig back in the history and check the project files from that time anyway
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> might be a better reference than my memory :)
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> I *think* I ended up making a golden config header too, disabling the stuff we didn't need, enabling the WINDOWS stuff...
20:09 < pmprog_laptop> Okay, cheers... I'll see what I can dig up
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12:06 < makus> Hey to all )
12:06 < makus> who play in openapoc final mod pack
12:06 < makus> if i hit ufos and dont clean them after they dissapear i get after this some bad effects?
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19:03 < Istrebitel> Is there a way to have log of irc always saved?
19:03 < Istrebitel> so that I don't lose it on reboot?
19:04 < SupSuper> depends on your irc client, most should save a log to disk
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19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> Or you can use a bouncer service or something to keep logs for you
19:52 <@JonnyH`Work> I do something similar, hence http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/irclogs/
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect freenode also has a logger bot you can opt into?
19:53 < SupSuper> we use http://colabti.org at #openxcom
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> also Istrebitel I was a bit confused by the layerMap use in game/state/battle/battle.cpp
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> It seems to only have one layer with everything in, so it won't actually do anything?
19:55 < SupSuper> if you wanna add it: http://colabti.org/ilogger2/faq.html
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> might be an idea
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> my own local logs 'work for me' but probably not useful to anyone else :)
19:56 < SupSuper> yeah it's nice to have a formatted log rather than a text dump
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> but a text dump is how I see irc :P
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21:37 < TheSnide> irc is text. that is the whole point of it indeed
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, any decoration is added client side
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> which you could re-add to the text dump?
21:39 <@JonnyH`Work> but many people probably don't want to open a 20mb text file in the browser to look at the last few lines :P
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22:24 <@JonnyH`Work> *weird things at work*
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> For some reason someone decided to spice up the "Friday afternoon beer and cake" we have here with an arm wrestling match between the two cpu dev teams
22:25 <@JonnyH`Work> and it seems to have devolved into ALL_EMAIL_LIST smacktalking
22:33 < SupSuper> sounds like a good friday
22:33 <@JonnyH`Work> no, good friday was 2 weeks ago
22:33 < SupSuper> you're right you just ruined this one :p
22:34 <@JonnyH`Work> 'caus I was on holiday
22:34 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it was some religious thing too
22:54 <@JonnyH`Work> Right,I'm off to watch the fight of the century
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15:07 < Istrebitel> I found no use for layermap in battle since there's no object that must be displayed over any other object
15:07 < Istrebitel> like, projectile or doodad can be behind a wall so it's not always on top
15:38 < TheSnide> Istrebitel: floored ones ?
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20:41 < Istrebitel> I'm not sure I understand
20:41 < Istrebitel> flooerd?
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17:21 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: Understood. I guess the '3d position' it falls back to is enough in the battle then
17:22 <@JonnyH> in the city you get explicit "overlay" tiles
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06:12 < TheSnide_> Istrebitel: items that are dropped on the floor
06:13 < TheSnide_> but looking closely, well.. never mind ;)
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21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, I still have a job
21:41 <@JonnyH`Work> which is nice
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00:02 < Lightkey> demolition inc.? :-)
00:02 <@JonnyH`Work> demolition inc? What?
00:03 < Lightkey> +at
00:03 < Lightkey> never mind
00:03  * JonnyH`Work is confused...
00:03 < Lightkey> yeah.. I'm not going to dissect the frog
00:04 <@JonnyH`Work> not helping my confusion....
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05:57 < TheSnide> Lightkey: huhu for the frog
05:58 < TheSnide> JonnyH`Away: i think he meant http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/440683-explaining-a-joke-is-like-dissecting-a-frog-you-understand
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--- Log opened Tue May 09 00:04:49 2017
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11:42 < LootHunter> Hello. Tried to install and play OpenApoc. Visual Studio says that GLM.lib is missing an can't build the project.
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17:27 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v9iVu
17:27 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7e17c00 Jonathan Hamilton: format
17:27 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9dff412 Jonathan Hamilton: MSVC: Default to 'OpenApoc' as the startup project...
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19:08 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v9i7y
19:08 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d960f5e Jonathan Hamilton: Fix missing include in control.cpp
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18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog :)
18:44 <@pmprog> Hi JonnyH`Work, how's things?
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> busy busy busy...
18:44 <@JonnyH`Work> more visa stuff, more work stuff
18:45 <@pmprog> Visa all sorted yet?
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I suspect I won't have any more time for openapoc for another while yet...
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I've got the reciept that I should get a h1b in october
18:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but my current visa expires mid september...
18:46 <@pmprog> Cool... Don't worry about OpenApoc. Though I've not seen Istrebitel lately either, but then I haven't been on much, so might just be me
18:47 <@pmprog> Wondering if it's worth trying to make an offical release, but I have no idea where anything is up to. Is all that skirmish code in the main repo do you know?
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I think so, yeah
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> should be there in the 'options' menu
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> I feel bad as I keep saying "I'll fixup equipment *soon*"
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> and not getting time...
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> I might 'officially' say I'm on hiatus for a couple of months...
18:51 <@pmprog> What's "freeapoc.slack.com"?
18:51 <@pmprog> On the forum -  makus: Welcome to all! so many programmers ... if you programmer and want help asap - pls go to https://freeapoc.slack.com/ ask Istrebitel
18:51 <@JonnyH`Work> I think it's where they speak russian :P
18:52 <@pmprog> hehe, okay, I guess I'll just leave em to it then
18:52 <@pmprog> Not that I really do much here any more anyway
19:23 <@pmprog> I'm off... have fun
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20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh sup - I *think* I changed the order of the msvc projects in the sln
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> so it'll default to "openapoc" instead of "glm" - as that seemed to catch a lot of people out
20:38 <@JonnyH`Work> but I don't know why it was choosing glm - the docs say it was the 'first project' in the list, but glm was second...
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16:55 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog
16:55 <@JonnyH`Work> BTW I tend to only 'take' op when I need to :)
16:56 <@pmprog> Hiya. Meh, I just give it when I see you and Istrebitel without it :)
16:56 <@pmprog> How's things?
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I've got it registered with chanserv so it's not like I can lose it :)
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm good
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> watching the yogs guys do the last tftd mission
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> openapoc came up in the chat as a possibility for the next week, which I somehow doubt... :P
16:58 <@pmprog> on twitch?
16:58 <@pmprog> You never know, they might try OpenApoc
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> IIRc they tried apoc
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> then it went "Please insert CD" :P
16:59 <@pmprog> Though we could probably do with putting out an "official" build with Istrebitel's skirmish mode
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> make a new 'skirmish' button on the main menu and it'll be done right? :P
17:00 <@pmprog> Looking at Ist's last vid, yeah, I think... Doesn't have to be "complete", but if it's playable, might just get a bit more interest into the project
17:11 <@pmprog> This yogscast seems a bit odd. It's one guy playing and another one talking to him
17:11 <@JonnyH`Work> Normally it's lewis (the guy on the left) doing the geoscape, ben (right) doing battle
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> I find them somewhat amusing
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> doing pretty well for a superhuman/ironman run
17:12 <@JonnyH`Work> and they're doing it without checking ufopaedia.org for everything
17:12 <@pmprog> cool
17:14 <@Istrebitel> yeah we need inventory and we need squad interface and we're good to go with skirmish
17:15 <@Istrebitel> meanwhile skin36 disassembled and I implemented infiltration and alien lifecycle (almost - all that's missing is aliens going from building to building) so we're even close to actually launching missions properly
17:15 <@Istrebitel> I wanted to wait until inventory's done before making squad interface because I thought the way unit portraits are drawn/grayed out would be shared but I might as well just do it now
17:17 <@pmprog> I'm on holidays Friday onwards... I think I'll clone the main repo, and who knows, maybe get some time to have a look at something
17:17 <@pmprog> btw, do you mean "Equip Soldier" screen? or actual "Base Inventory"?
17:18 <@Istrebitel> by "inventory" i mean equip soldier screen that's used in base and in tactical
17:18 <@Istrebitel> and by squad interface I mean unit portraits, enemy spotted counts, and squad numbers and assignments
17:18 <@Istrebitel> in tactical interface
17:20 <@pmprog> Hmmm, TortoiseGit doesn't seem to want to let me clone from GitHub any more, since I loaded an SSH key for home server :(
17:22 <@Istrebitel> and btw, we need to change most of our static consts into some common storage where modders could change them. like, for example, how frequently alarms are processed, or how frequently organisations are checked for takeover, etc
17:23 <@Istrebitel> we use a lot of static consts and a lot of them should be moddable for the game to allow mods as was intended
17:26 <@pmprog> Well, I can't even pull at the minute :(
17:42 <@pmprog> ffs
17:58 <@pmprog> Well, I'm giving up for now. It'll quite happily sync with my home server, but will not sync with github
18:12 <@pmprog> lol, I think that needs looking at in OpenXcom
18:57 <@pmprog> I'm off... later
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10:01 < TheSnide> Istrebitel: you're also on osx right ?
10:02 <@Istrebitel> no i'm on win
10:03 < TheSnide> oh.
10:03 < TheSnide> msvc ?
10:04 < TheSnide> anyway, hats down for your work ;)
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13:47 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #120: Stamina expenditure RT, Alien Life Cycle, Infiltration, Alien Detection Alerts, Squad Buttons (master...master) https://git.io/v9jJy
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13:47 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #120: Stamina expenditure RT, Alien Life Cycle, Infiltration, Alien Detection Alerts, Squad Buttons (master...master) https://git.io/v9jJy
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18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Oh no, 'all hands' meeting here with ~30 mins notice...
18:43 <@JonnyH`Work> Anyone hiring? :P
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21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> Ok so for whatever reason the c++ guys decided that a std::packaged_task<>::operator(); just eats any thrown exception
21:35 <@JonnyH`Work> unless get_future().get() is called
21:41 < SupSuper> om nom nom
21:42 <@JonnyH`Work> which is why no threadpool exceptions get... excepted?
21:43 < SupSuper> i guess their logic was "where would async exceptions go?"
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> I would have thought operator() would have been the correct place?
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> but I guess not...
21:43 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe as they don't want to have 'task runners' deal with exceptions they can't know about?
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> so as our loading tasks are "fire and forget" - we never use the returned std::future value, only wait()
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> the exceptions just gets lost
21:44 <@JonnyH`Work> as .wait() returns if an exception is thrown..
21:46 <@JonnyH`Work> though I think 'running out of memory' is somethign that *really shouldn't happen* anyway..
21:46 <@JonnyH`Work> unless you're on a tiny device...
21:51 <@JonnyH`Work> max ~300mb in a battle here...
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21:55 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4f5689c Jonathan Hamilton: CODE_STYLE.md: Log* can take UString args directly
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18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: BTW I was looking at that memory leak yesterday
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> it seems to be some kind of loop in Agent/BattleUnit/AEquipment
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> it's leaking ~10-15 mb per battle in my experience
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> as it pins all kind of Images and whatnot
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> but the total memory use of my test in-city and 1 battle (IE not leaked yet) is <300mb
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> so not 'crazy' high... but could be improved I guess
18:10 <@JonnyH`Work> ~120mb is the city tileMap
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> possibly we could optimise it by not allocating 'battle'-only members for Tiles
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> in the city that is
18:11 <@JonnyH`Work> but I fixed the 'exceptions lost in ThreadPool tasks' issue
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19:07 < SupSuper> any russian speakers in the house?
19:07 < JonnyH`Work> ask on the forums?
19:08 < SupSuper> i didn't wanna make a big scene :p
19:08 < SupSuper> might just use google translate and hope i don't end up insulting their vodka
19:08 < JonnyH`Work> It'll translate to something like "Finnish vodka best vodka"
19:09 < JonnyH`Work> and you'd have a riot
19:14 < Skin36> im hate any vodka
19:20 < SupSuper> https://pastebin.com/raw/cbyxAWPT
19:20 < SupSuper> here goes nothing
19:27 < Skin36> I do not know what is this
19:28 < SupSuper> a russian fan sent me a russian message in russian
19:28 < SupSuper> this is my attempt to reply (via google translate)
19:29 < Skin36> hm
19:30 < Skin36> nightly what is this
19:30 < SupSuper> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightly_build
19:30 < SupSuper> snapshot
19:30 < Skin36> oh
19:32 < SupSuper> original message was "This is fixed in nightly. If not, turn on "Live alien sale" in Options. Second part (Terror from the Deep) is available in nightly. Third part (Apocalypse) is separate game, still in development: http://openapoc.org"
19:35 < Skin36> https://pastebin.com/ctJZRcaF
19:35 < Skin36> It will be right
19:37 < SupSuper> thanks
19:37 < Skin36> kk
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15:44 < JonnyH> Right... What to do today...
15:45 < JonnyH> Get pointless video formats working in osx? Continue making a drm driver for a chromebook that already has a perfectly good display driver?
15:45 < JonnyH> Or something useful....
16:12 < Kaljis> Finish OpenApoc 1.0
16:12 < Kaljis> plz
16:12 < Kaljis> :)
16:15 < JonnyH> that's *almost* useful though... :P
16:20 < Kaljis> Then the modders can start supplying high res stuff
16:20 < Kaljis> And I can relive my favourite moments in HD
16:21 < Kaljis> Having sex for the first time is absolute favourite of course, but it is hard to relive that
16:21 < Kaljis> So X-com apoc comes as solid second
16:22 < JonnyH> you've sure got a high opinion of apoc there :P
16:22 < JonnyH> Right now I'm doing other stuff, hoping to keep openapoc 'fresh' and I don't burnout on it
16:25 < Kaljis> Yeah, that's smart
16:25 < Kaljis> And you've got Istrebitel
16:26 < JonnyH> yeah, he's crazy productive
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14:55 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 94d5598 Jonathan Hamilton: Disable UBSan for 'sanitize' builds...
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00:15 < Lightkey> https://www.gog.com/news/special_sale_xcom_series_75
00:30 < JonnyH`Work> I almost surprised they're not giving them away by now :P
00:30 < JonnyH`Work> they seems to have sales more often than not
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16:30 < psych> Hey guys.
16:31 < psych> how did you guys start when you were porting this from MSDOS to current platforms?
16:32 < JonnyH`Work> hey there
16:32 < JonnyH`Work> we didn't "port" it from msdos - we don't have the source
16:32 < JonnyH`Work> it's more "Re-implement from scratch" :)
16:33 < psych> Well, porting doesn't necessarily require the original... does it?  anyway, what u sed is what i meant.  XD
16:34 < JonnyH`Work> Meh, semantics, but I'd consider a "port" to be a modification of the original, not a "newly written from scratch" thing
16:35 < psych> I have a unity project I need to port to Godot at some point... but it's basically from scratch.  XD
16:35 < psych> but ya
16:35 < psych> Anyway, how did u guys start?
16:35 < JonnyH`Work> but I think we "started" by poking around the image files and putting them together until it "looked" like it
16:35 < psych> Oh cool!
16:35 < psych> So why C++?  Why xml?
16:36 < JonnyH`Work> then implemented the mechanics behind this based on our "high-level" understanding (having played the game)
16:36 < JonnyH`Work> then refined that based on reverse-engineered understanding (Skin spent quite a bit of time disassembling the original binary and trying to figure out *Exact* algorithms)
16:37 < JonnyH`Work> I "knew" c++, it's cross platform, it's "fast" but still gives the extra higher-level library features over C
16:37 < psych> I imagine the high-level stuff is necessary to know in order to get things to work right too
16:37 < JonnyH`Work> XML was "there", the markup language doesn't really matter that much, it could be changed to any tree-like syntax (like json or yaml or whatever)
16:38 < JonnyH`Work> but again there were "good" and well-understood simple libraries for XML and c++
16:38 < JonnyH`Work> It's kinda difficult to explain, as there wasn't "one single approach"
16:38 < JonnyH`Work> and we're not done yet (nowhere near :)
16:39 < psych> xml is a good choice.  so is json and yaml.
16:39 < psych> xml in particular is very explicitly written
16:39 < JonnyH`Work> Yeah, but we're not really worried about the size right now
16:39 < psych> C++ is also very explicit too
16:39 < JonnyH`Work> IIRC there was an attempt at getting a "city renderer" working in python
16:40 < psych> Cool.  Ya I tried to contribute a month or so ago, but I was unemployed and facing personal issues, like whether I was gonna find a job or not after searching for 2 years.
16:40 < JonnyH`Work> but it was *much* too slow to be useful
16:40 < psych> I heard people who write with Python use C++ as well to levy the performance issues
16:40 < JonnyH`Work> you could speed it up by pushing down "fast paths" to native modules, or there may be opportinity for optimisations within-python
16:41 < JonnyH`Work> but then you kinda start losing the "point" of using the high-level languages
16:41 < psych> yup.
16:41 < psych> which, i think boils down to two things: performance and control.
16:41 < JonnyH`Work> plus I (at least) already "knew" c++
16:41 < psych> gotta work with wut u kno, aye
16:41 < JonnyH`Work> sometimes developer-optimisation is the best one :)
16:43 < psych> different languages can definitely slow you down.  i know a lot of experienced devs like to say: "It's just syntax", but... it's usually more than that
16:44 < JonnyH`Work> yeah, I tried to use it as an opportunity to experiment with c++11 features
16:44 < psych> such as integrations with API's or something new like dynamic types or duck-typing.
16:44 < JonnyH`Work> so it was "somewhat" new :)
16:44 < JonnyH`Work> idiomatic "language" and common APIs often takes a lot more time than the syntax as such
16:45 < JonnyH`Work> There's a kinda-joke about how a C developer can write "C" in any language ;)
16:45 < JonnyH`Work> it just might not be the best idea
16:47 < JonnyH`Work> anyway, I'd love for people to help contribute
16:47 < JonnyH`Work> but I'm kinda time-limtied right now
16:47 < JonnyH`Work> I kinda consider myself on a "hiatus", as I've got a lot of stuff going on right now...
16:48 < JonnyH`Work> plus I was trying to avoid working on openapoc becoming a "chore"
16:50 < psych> you already helped me get to know ur source a little already.  when i get around to it, i'll get a decent github repo set up and fork and then uh... "pull request" ... or something.
16:50 < JonnyH`Work> cool :)
16:50 < JonnyH`Work> If you have any questions I can still do "some" poking around while at work ;)
16:51 < psych> i got those organizations to appear in the GUI last time... just... sadly lost those changes.  XD  u probably have it done already now
16:51 < JonnyH`Work> dunno, I've not done much recently
16:51 < JonnyH`Work> it might still apply
17:00 < psych> i'll have a look at it at some point.  thanks.  :)  back to work i go.
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05:59 < rootmer> awesome project <3
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14:55 < SupSuper> i think you're starting to scare gollop :p
14:59 < JonnyH> ...oh?
14:59 < JonnyH> I didn't realise I had ever spoke to him
15:00 < JonnyH> any context I'm missing?
15:01 < SupSuper> https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenApoc/comments/6fzzx2/questions_to_julian_gollop_about_xcom_apocalypse/
15:01 < JonnyH> we have an openapoc subreddit?
15:01 < SupSuper> apparently :p
15:03 < JonnyH> I kinda worry about some of the forum guys getting too "pushy"...
15:04 < JonnyH> especially as info about "half-realised" disabled features won't be used until after 1.0...
15:05 < SupSuper> i really doubt gollop remembers any of these. well i doubt he remembers much of anything during the current E3 frenzy :)
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08:04 < kkmic> Mornin'
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21:04 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: people are asking me when can they expect more OpenApoc progress
21:04 < SupSuper> when did i become your spokesperson :I
21:04 < JonnyH`Work> When I refused to acnowledge them? :P
21:04 < JonnyH`Work> Where are they asking?
21:05 < SupSuper> do you use discord? :p
21:06 < SupSuper> https://discord.gg/eNh9RJ8
21:06 < SupSuper> if you're lucky you might just catch gollop in there!
21:06 < JonnyH`Work> naa, can't idle 24/7 at work on discord
21:07 < SupSuper> pffff it's what i do
21:19 < SupSuper> they're really disappointed in you
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18:31 < Pawlac> Will openapoc have a feature someday where the gamespeed settings can be changed? The quadruple speed button is a joke since it does not go by minutes
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18:41 < JonnyH`Work> Maybe? It's a relatively simple scale Pawlac 
18:44 < Pawlac> alright, yeah it is but the way it scales is not so done well imo
18:44 < JonnyH`Work> to be fair that's probably one of the easiest things to make dynamic :P
18:44 < Pawlac> since the 3 buttons only makes it a bit faster where the minutes pass by slowly
18:44 < Pawlac> and the ultra speed button goes so fast I can't count the hours at all
18:46 < JonnyH`Work> the ultra speed was a special case, as it didn't "just" speed up the processing
18:46 < JonnyH`Work> but actually skipped time
18:46 < JonnyH`Work> hence you could use it to "unblock" routes etc.
18:47 < Pawlac> so that's why on the northern city part there is almost no cars anymore, since I seen a Cult of Sirius car driving there in a circle several times over
18:48 < Pawlac> I forget to mention there was a lot of cars there previously
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18:53 < Skin36> hi
18:53 < JonnyH`Work> hello
18:53 < Skin36> what about develop ?
18:53 < JonnyH`Work> jeez, everyone's bugging me about that
18:54 < JonnyH`Work> first SupSuper, now you :P
18:54 < Skin36> )))
18:54 < JonnyH`Work> I've got a couple of other projects I want to finish off first, but I should have more time coming up
18:55 < Skin36> I wanted to talk with something
18:56 < Skin36> I'm trying to parse a file PPLPATH.DAT
18:58 < JonnyH`Work> oh? I've not yet looked at that myself
18:58 < Skin36> It contains increments for displacement of movements of people in pipes along three axes of coordinates
18:58 < Skin36> in Isometric
18:59 < JonnyH`Work> ok, so it's the path the "icons" take in screen space?
18:59 < Skin36> нуы
18:59 < Skin36> yes
18:59 < Skin36> But I do not understand why the directions of movements 36
19:00 < JonnyH`Work> there are 36 ticks/second for the update loop in the original IIRC
19:00 < JonnyH`Work> so maybe it's "speed"?
19:01 < JonnyH`Work> ...or is 1 "tile height" in isometric view 36 pixels?
19:01 < Skin36> I also thought so at first, but I'm not sure what it is ticks
19:01 < JonnyH`Work> the number of times the "update()" function is run every second
19:01 < Skin36> yes
19:03 < Skin36> But this does not seem to be related to time
19:04 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00TvlL-36wVwQI2g/
19:04 < Skin36> its word x,y,z
19:08 < Skin36> see this
19:08 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00TvlL-16wVwQI2h/
19:09 < JonnyH`Work> if that is people tube data there must be a way of deciding which of the maps each set of nodes is related to
19:10 < Skin36> No, I found this place, it is determined before
19:11 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00TvlL-46wVwQI2i/
19:12 < Skin36> http://shot.qip.ru/00TvlL-36wVwQI2j/
19:16 < JonnyH`Work> I'll probably have to wait until I'm done with work before I can look in depth :)
19:18 < Skin36> ок
19:22 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: it's not my fault you keep your fans waiting :P
19:22  * JonnyH`Work is too tired from signing autographics
19:22 < JonnyH`Work> Fans.. really...
19:22 < SupSuper> while me, i'm pretty honest to my fans that i have no idea when i'll get things done and neither should they
19:22 < JonnyH`Work> ...Muscle memory really sucks on irc :P
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22:17 < SupSuper> hey JonnyH`W1rk you are technically an european, right?
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22:22 < JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: Technically?
22:22 < SupSuper> well with brexit and all :v
22:23 < JonnyH`Work> ...I have no idea how the irssi nick collision stuff works..
22:23 < JonnyH`Work> why did it change that o to a 1?
22:23 < JonnyH`Work> Me dad's irish
22:23 < SupSuper> you wouldn't happen to have a CV i could look at?
22:23 < JonnyH`Work> (Ho tee to taa potato)
22:23 < JonnyH`Work> hmm.. I think my latest one was US-ified
22:24 < SupSuper> nuts
22:24 < JonnyH`Work> it's still "mostly" UK format
22:24 < JonnyH`Work> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/cv.pdf
22:24 < SupSuper> i haven't updated my CV in ages and the internet is full of the american ones
22:25 < SupSuper> i guess it might just be a mix
22:25 < SupSuper> latex huh
22:25 < JonnyH`Work> yeah? I'm a massive nerd. What else?
22:26 < JonnyH`Work> IIRC it's actually a lyx template with a bit of 'manual' latex
22:27 < SupSuper> i'm just impressed how nobody ever changes the font :p
22:27 < SupSuper> it does look classy i'll give it that. dem headers
22:28 < JonnyH`Work> It's like the freemasons handshake of CVs that font
22:29 < JonnyH`Work> the HR people don't know what it means. The engineering manager does ;)
22:29 < SupSuper> yeah overall looks pretty good, thanks
22:29 < SupSuper> not sure i'd put education first once you have experience though
22:30 < JonnyH`Work> it was literally stuck together to tick the boxes for my visa stuff
22:31 < JonnyH`Work> so I just did lowest-effort update from my previous one
22:37 < SupSuper> eww bison
22:40 < JonnyH`Work> I see you found the "big list of keywords"
22:49 < SupSuper> i'm not that desperate to please HR bots... yet
22:49 < JonnyH`Work> You looking around for something new then?
22:51 < JonnyH`Work> If you hate yourself, and desperately want to move to the UK, we have some open positions ;)
22:54 < SupSuper> i think your CV put me off :p
22:54 < JonnyH`Work> Good. Everything is going to plan.
22:55 < JonnyH`Work> Honestly, I wouldn't recommend it
22:55 < SupSuper> well it's more i can't make out what half these words are
22:55 < SupSuper> anyways i'm gonna try applying to gollop's company again
22:56 < JonnyH`Work> that would be fun :D
22:56 < SupSuper> he opened positions again, location isn't great but hey it's now or never: http://www.snapshotgames.com/jobs.html
22:56 < JonnyH`Work> they don't do remote?
22:57 < JonnyH`Work> Surely you can shitpost in their discord from *anywhere*
22:57 < SupSuper> :p i guess we'll see
22:57 < JonnyH`Work> (you can always ask...)
22:57 < SupSuper> i worry i'm less productive if i can't bug people in person though
22:58 < JonnyH`Work> I like the separation, lets me actually get shit done
22:58 < SupSuper> it's a very important skill when dealing with new codebases
22:58 < JonnyH`Work> One tip: If you're in bulgaria, don't go to "golden sands"
22:58 < SupSuper> oh yeah working from home is great once you're actually comfortable with the job
22:58 < SupSuper> uh do i wanna know
22:58 < JonnyH`Work> I dunno if I'd ever want to "work from home" - I barely do any work as it is going into an office
22:59 < JonnyH`Work> it (was?) a rather seedy seaside resort town
22:59 < JonnyH`Work> though it also sounds a bit like something that would be defined in urbandictionary
22:59 < SupSuper> :p
22:59 < SupSuper> where do you work remote if not from home? coffee shop?
23:00 < JonnyH`Work> there are 'shared office spaces'
23:00 < JonnyH`Work> you might get away with making an "office" in the garage or dedicated room or something
23:00 < JonnyH`Work> I just feel if I didn't say "I'm in this room, so I'm working" I'd keep finding excuses
23:02 < SupSuper> oh yeah i agree, i'd make some kind of separation, but i don't think there are any shared office spaces around here though
23:02 < JonnyH`Work> Well, best of luck anyway
23:02 < JonnyH`Work> I know a few people that ended up with remote stuff despite them not being advertised as remote postions
23:02 < JonnyH`Work> and my dad went to Sofia, and said it was actually really nice
23:03 < JonnyH`Work> I have no idea how anyone can ever get anything done in a "coffee shop"
23:03 < JonnyH`Work> I just assume they're lying about it
23:03 < SupSuper> writers? :p
23:04 < JonnyH`Work> they're always chatting and drinking endless frappuccinos
23:04 < SupSuper> well at this point i can do either remote or relocation. it's just bulgaria is *completely* foreign to me
23:04 < SupSuper> probably have some fans over there though...
23:04 < JonnyH`Work> I doubt many words of their screenplay are actually getting written there
23:04 < JonnyH`Work> ask in openxcom? "Anyone from bulgaria?"
23:05 < SupSuper> well we have a bulgarian translation...
23:14 < JonnyH`Work> who was it committed by?
23:14 < JonnyH`Work> probably "google translate" :P
23:15 < SupSuper> "twinsenbg" *shrug*
23:15 < SupSuper> our translations aren't source controlled, they have their own site
23:28 < SupSuper> hmmm i'm debating between using serif for classiness or sans-serif for readability
23:29 < JonnyH`Work> COMIC SANS
23:29 < SupSuper> you know, the important decisions :p
23:29 < JonnyH`Work> the only choice
23:29 < JonnyH`Work> lets them know you're fun, but serious
23:29 < SupSuper> that's when you get the wordart
23:29 < JonnyH`Work> if it's printed go for serif. I'd leave serifs for a cv
23:33 < SupSuper> http://i.imgur.com/yTbWSGT.png
23:33 < SupSuper> sorry that's unprofessional
23:33 < SupSuper> i mean http://i.imgur.com/00Yn43D.png
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23:34 < JonnyH`Work> much better
23:34 < SupSuper> sadly difficult to make rainbow text in today's msword
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23:34 < JonnyH`Work> really? They no longer have the arbitrary color order picker thingie?
23:35 < SupSuper> you can still do it, it's just not a preset anymore
23:35 < JonnyH`Work> I mean honestly, you had that with office '98
23:35 < JonnyH`Work> what have we been paying for since then?
23:35 < SupSuper> couldn't find the whimsical text shapes either...
23:35 < JonnyH`Work> Make it a big rainbow over the top of the page
23:35 < SupSuper> have we forgotten what msword is about
23:35 < JonnyH`Work> add a screenbean guy at the bottom from the clipart
23:35 < JonnyH`Work> and print it on scented paper
23:36 < JonnyH`Work> You'll be inundated with calls
23:37 < SupSuper> i mean some people think this is clever: https://csswizardry.com/csscv/
23:38 < JonnyH`Work> show you know c++
23:38 < JonnyH`Work> by publishing your CV on github as a set of std::cout << "Three years experience in frobulation\n";
23:38 < JonnyH`Work> statements
23:38 < JonnyH`Work> Perfect!
23:39 < SupSuper> failed for not using std::endl
23:39 < JonnyH`Work> I used \n intentiobally
23:39 < JonnyH`Work> as flushing the buffers is a performance hit
23:39 < SupSuper> gasp
23:39 < JonnyH`Work> and we need to get peak cv/second throughput
23:40 < JonnyH`Work> heh, that csscv does everything I expect from css:
23:40 < JonnyH`Work> inconsistent indentation, inability to sanely copy/paste the text
23:41 < JonnyH`Work> syntax highlighting purely based on if a statement is "quoted"
23:41 < JonnyH`Work> I mean honestly...
23:41 < SupSuper> is putting dates on stuff that important
23:41 < SupSuper> it's really hard to date stuff that's not my work history :p
23:41 < JonnyH`Work> Probably not? Maybe to the year would be useful
23:41 < SupSuper> i'm just kinda always... doing stuff... on and off?
23:42 < JonnyH`Work> but not really important
23:42 < SupSuper> like where would you date my openapoc experience
23:42 < JonnyH`Work> "Cool dude: 1988-present"
23:42 < SupSuper> somewhere before the ice caps melt?
23:42 < JonnyH`Work> Date:   Sun Sep 27 00:30:29 2015 +0100
23:42 < JonnyH`Work> bam, time, date, even down the second
23:43 < SupSuper> but is it ISO compliant
23:43 < JonnyH`Work> though quoting that would be weird as well
23:44 < SupSuper> in order to not fret about formatting i'm doing the first draft in a .txt
23:44 < SupSuper> now i'm fratting about whitespace...
23:44 < JonnyH`Work> Make sure you add an apology about how you can't date it to better granularity than the second
23:44 < JonnyH`Work> There are some pretty good markdown/restructured text templates around
23:44 < JonnyH`Work> that might be fine
23:44 < JonnyH`Work> we use that for our documentation at work, as it's "nicer" than the "corporate" stuff :D
23:45 < SupSuper> yeah i just don't wanna distract myself
23:45 < SupSuper> writing stuff at all is always the hardest part
23:45 < JonnyH`Work> Yeah, the text is more important than the formatting
23:45 < SupSuper> specially the "make yourself sound like a functional member of society" part
23:45 < SupSuper> accomplishments: haven't been fired yet
23:45 < JonnyH`Work> That's a bit of a difference between the UK CV vs US Resume from what I've seen
23:46 < JonnyH`Work> in the UK you were kinda told to put a bit of an intro blurb, while the resume is literally a functional list
23:46 < JonnyH`Work> and you're expected to have a blurb about how "awesome you think working for Frobulators Inc." would be in a cover letter
23:47 < SupSuper> yeah the US is more strictly-what-is-important while the EU is more hey-show-me-your-cool-individual-history
23:47 < SupSuper> but this is so particular i'm just gonna go with a mix. CV style layout but focused on this job position
23:47 < JonnyH`Work> a US "CV" is still kinda like that still, but it tends only to be done in academic stuff
23:48 < SupSuper> can't risk boring the god of turn based strategy after all
23:48 < SupSuper> i don't wanna use europass though since it's so stock
23:48 < JonnyH`Work> he probably won't give a flying f**ck
23:49 < JonnyH`Work> it's only the first level HR that even notice that stuff, and they're likely just trying to match up keywords and stuff
23:49 < JonnyH`Work> at least that what I've been doing when looking over CVs myself
23:50 < SupSuper> he probably doesn't have HR
23:50 < SupSuper> but this just looks junior as all hell: http://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/sites/default/files/cv-example-1-en-gb.pdf
23:50 < SupSuper> i would know because it's what i used for my first job :p
23:51 < JonnyH`Work> You've been an Independent Consultant for the british council in France since 2002?
23:51 < JonnyH`Work> you kept that quiet
23:51 < JonnyH`Work> but it does explain why you insisted on being called Betty
23:52 < JonnyH`Work> Don't forget to big up the openxcom "project leader" stuff, managing a disperate team, actually *shipping* software
23:52 < JonnyH`Work> and if it *does* get to the top, he *does* know about openxcon
23:53 < SupSuper> i *have* talked to him. sorta
23:53 < SupSuper> that's how i learned he was bamboozled by the openapoc reddit :p
23:54 < JonnyH`Work> It's ok, we're all bamboozled
23:54 < SupSuper> to quote, "the funny thing is, I can hardly answer any of those questions"
23:55 < JonnyH`Work> Yeah, most of the "questions" I have would be nitty gritty stuff that nobody remembers for a year, let alone 20
23:55 < SupSuper> and "apocalypse was a somewhat unfinished game. I wish i knew what it was supposed to be"
23:55 < JonnyH`Work> so I didn't bother asking...
23:55 < SupSuper> yeah. you could ask for general stuff like if he's kept any records/docs/sources/whatever from those days, but i doubt it...
23:56 < JonnyH`Work> you gotta start soft: "How are the kids? Been anywhere nice recently?"
23:57 < SupSuper> i mean i still don't know what'd convince a british man to move to bulgaria of all places :p
23:57 < JonnyH`Work> "In the function isVehicleInFiringArc() you use a second order approximation of the sqrt(distance) - was this intentionally decided for gameplay reasons or just to avoid using an FPU?"
23:58 < JonnyH`Work> then after the simple stuff move to the more complex stuff:
23:58 < JonnyH`Work> "Is there a God?"
23:58 < SupSuper> :p
23:58 < SupSuper> i think you can assume FPUs were heresy
23:58 < JonnyH`Work> "Why am I doing this? Nobody *likes* apoc anyway?"
23:58 < SupSuper> well that's what i thought about tftd, and yet...
23:58 < SupSuper> there's someone in the discord playing apoc right now!
23:59 < JonnyH`Work> call him a weirdo.
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00:00 < SupSuper> well i guess if my boss still isn't around tomorrow i'm gonna work on this CV stuff
00:00 < SupSuper> that'll show'em!
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00:01 < JonnyH`Work> :)
00:01 < JonnyH`Work> has anyone ever worked on their cv on their own time?
00:07 < JonnyH`Work> so, what is the discord you sit in?
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20:34 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Work: you ever thought of asking volutar for help?
21:06 < JonnyH`Work> I've not really done any proselytizing myself
21:07 < JonnyH`Work> been more "If they want to, they will offer" - which may not be correct :P
21:15 < SupSuper> i dunno if he wants, his motives are... nebulous. but given his work on reversing ufo, he could be valuable for reversing apoc
21:16 < SupSuper> granted ufo had a windows exe, which probably made it slightly easier
21:16 < JonnyH`Work> yeah, half the tools don't like realmode thunks used for dos4/gw
21:17 < JonnyH`Work> so I ended up stripping that off, which then means half the calls to that for mem allocation/whatever don't go anywhere :P
21:17 < JonnyH`Work> apparently the newer version if IDA supports that directly
21:17 < JonnyH`Work> but not the 'trial' version... and I'm not going to pay $600 to find if it works :P
21:18 < SupSuper> well that could be arranged... if you will put it to good use
21:18 < JonnyH`Work> I've been tempted to buy it anyway
21:18 < JonnyH`Work> there are a few other things that may be fun with it
21:18 < JonnyH`Work> but it's annoying that *either* the linux or windows version too...
21:19 < SupSuper> there's also a ida dosbox plugin that i've never looked into
21:19 < JonnyH`Work> IIRC you can gdbserver into dosbox too
21:22 < SupSuper> well it's basically impossible to find the linux versions, so if you like the windows one you can buy the linux one and only feel half-bad?
21:35 < JonnyH`Work> I know I can "find" versions around the place
21:35 < JonnyH`Work> but I at least want to keep it somewhat above board
21:40 < SupSuper> fine then, last time i try to help openapoc :p
21:40 < SupSuper> here i am with all these idas i have no clue how to use
21:40 < JonnyH`Work> Yeah, screw you! :P
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22:57 < JonnyH`Work> SupSuper: are you a moderator at the snapshot games discord?
22:57 < SupSuper> yup
22:58 < JonnyH`Work> they let you have *power*? The fools... :P
22:58 < SupSuper> i know right
22:58 < JonnyH`Work> I have no idea how to use discord...
22:58 < SupSuper> well you just chat... you wanna like introduce yourself or something :p
22:58 < JonnyH`Work> It seems really difficult to "follow"
22:58 < JonnyH`Work> at least on my laptop the crazy amount of padding means I get like 5 lines in a whole screen
22:59 < SupSuper> there's a lite mode that's more irc-compact
22:59 < SupSuper> and i would disable general notifications since it's too hectic otherwise
23:01 < SupSuper> http://i.imgur.com/9SA2cPa.png
23:02 < SupSuper> ui is kinda confusing so: gear at the bottom-left brings you global settings, while clicking on the server name brings you server-specific settings
23:02 < JonnyH`Work> where do I turn off the notifications? The tab in settings just has push options and sounds?
23:03 < SupSuper> in the server name (top-left) you will have notification settings
23:03 < SupSuper> you can also just change the defaults in global settings
23:11 < JonnyH`Work> Right... Now to lurk in wait and jump on Julan to see if I can ask weirdly probing questions about stuff he last looked at 2 decades ago
23:11 < JonnyH`Work> :P
23:11 < SupSuper> lol
23:11 < SupSuper> i think he is still recovering from e3 fever
23:13 < JonnyH`Work> I wasn't being serious... I don't think he'd want to be bugged about stuff he realistically couldn't do anything about even if he tried
23:13 < JonnyH`Work> I worry some people are a bit... intense :/
23:20 < SupSuper> well he already has to deal with questions for his current games :P
23:21 < JonnyH`Work> at least he has the opportunity of getting paid as people buy his new games
23:21 < JonnyH`Work> I imagine that's a bit of encouragement
23:21 < SupSuper> but yeah i wouldn't drill into specifics. you can always ask him if he knows if anything or anyone survived that would know something
23:22 < SupSuper> although last i tweeted him i think he only had freedom ridge stuff
23:25 < SupSuper> maybe ask jake solomon, i hear he actually liked apocalypse :p
23:27 < JonnyH`Work> I like apocalypse
23:27 < JonnyH`Work> I still play it semi-regularly :D
23:27 < JonnyH`Work> but a huge amount of people look at it as a "What if..." game
23:28 < JonnyH`Work> probably the same sort of people who think "More Mechanics" = "Better Game" in all cases
23:28 < JonnyH`Work> and I suspect Jake doesn't hang around on the snapshot games discord :P
23:29 < JonnyH`Work> and I have an allergy to twitter. Doctor's note and everything. Says I can sit it out.
23:29 < SupSuper> eventually all will be one with discord :P
23:30 < JonnyH`Work> until they run out of V
23:30 < JonnyH`Work> ..VC money and actually have to think about business stuff
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17:57 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
17:58 < JonnyH`Work> hello
17:59 < JonnyH`Work> Hows things?
17:59 < JonnyH`Work> Yet more crap at work this week... It's like someone doesn't want me to get anything done...
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18:06 < Istrebitel> I'm sorry to pester you with this inventory thing but I really want to get something out for our followers in about a month and inventory is all that's really left before we can release a playable skirmish mode
18:07 < JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I feel bad saying I'd should be able to get it done
18:07 < JonnyH`Work> I *really* want to get "skirmsh playable!" headlines soon myself...
18:07 < JonnyH`Work> I just can't promise any time now
18:22 < Istrebitel> Okay so can you give me what's ready and I will finish it? How far is it done?
18:25 < JonnyH`Work> I currently have nothing that isn't already in my github
18:26 < JonnyH`Work> it was at the level of "experimentation" instead of "implementation"
18:26 < JonnyH`Work> so probably not particularly useful as a base
18:27 < JonnyH`Work> I think https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/commits/WIP/equipscreen was the 'latest' experiment I had
18:27 < JonnyH`Work> but I can hardly remember what I was doing...
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19:56 <@pmprog_laptop> Hi kids... Long time, no see
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> hey, who are you again?
19:57 <@JonnyH`Work> :p
19:58 <@pmprog_laptop> Hiya JonnyH`Work. How's things going? I saw on The Reg you're company is up for sale (again?)
19:58 <@pmprog_laptop> *your even
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, it's been weird
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Not been helping me get any openapoc time...
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> And the difference is PowerVR (the group I'm in) was added to sale consideration
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> previously the plan was to "only" sell mips/ensigma
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> and PowerVR would be pretty much all that's left, but an independant company
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> but there was a fair bit of interest in the "whole thing"...
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> and public companies kinda have to at least see what the offers are....
20:00 <@pmprog_laptop> Yeah, read that. I hope it all gets sorted
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> and our new CEO likes to announce *anything* asap
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I looked over the absolute shitshow of some of the coments on articles like that...
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> so far I've seen: "IMG are just a patent troll company"
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> (we've never once filed a patent suit)
20:01 <@pmprog_laptop> Are they thinking of ARM then? Who basically just license out designs
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> "We've patented the whole of 3d graphics and that stops other people joining in!"
20:01 <@pmprog_laptop> Not that I'm aware of any patent suits from them either
20:01 <@JonnyH`Work> (that explains how we have no competitors :)
20:02 <@pmprog_laptop> lol
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> it's similar for ARM, patents are more restricted in the UK than the crap you can get away with in the states
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> There also seems to be a common confusion for a completely different company
20:02 <@JonnyH`Work> called "immersion" - that has a patent on a rumble controller or something and did some litigation on the early 2000s?
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I really *do* worry that we're currently still engineer-run and aim to actually produce crap
20:03 <@JonnyH`Work> ...if we're sold off there's a risk that may no longer be true...
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> another good one is "IMG is too closed and proprietary! I hope they fail and people use arm/qcomm instead!"
20:04 <@JonnyH`Work> ...which are even more closed and proprietary :)
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> It's "fun" in a way.. but also really annoying to read
20:05 <@pmprog_laptop> Let's face it... Most commentards rarely know what they're talking about
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> One thing I've found amusing is I've actually had email abuse from people saying we're terrible
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> from OSS 'fans' or something
20:05 <@pmprog_laptop> Really?
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> ...that scraped my email from open source git commits
20:05 <@JonnyH`Work> the irony of being able to find my email there doesn't seem to register
20:05 <@pmprog_laptop> lol
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, I'm off for lunhc
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> the whole foods down the road has a bar... I may be some time
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> I feel I need it right now...
20:08 <@JonnyH`Work> (Also - a supermarket with a bar? GREAT IDEA)
20:08 <@pmprog_laptop> Enjoy
20:09 <@pmprog_laptop> Sounds good to me :)
20:13 <@Istrebitel> JonnyH, when you return, could you please tell me what's the command to merge your commits into my repo?
20:14 <@Istrebitel> I want to take "Generalise a bit of the Agent/Vehicle equipment state" and maybe other commits and build on that
20:23 <@pmprog_laptop> Well, I'm ready for bed, so catch you all again another time
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21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: Do you already have my git repository as a remote?
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> If so, fetch that
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> then you can go to your own branch
21:09 <@JonnyH`Work> and "git cherry-pick {SHA}" would patch the commit named {SHA} on top
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> e.g. Generalise a bit of the Agent/Vehicle equipment state
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> has a commit SHA of "9f84213020c9b6bf447b2d27c36d4c75678300e4"
21:10 <@JonnyH`Work> so "git cherry-pick 9f84213020c9b6bf447b2d27c36d4c75678300e4"
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> would bring that commit (and that commit alone) into your current branch
21:11 <@JonnyH`Work> it doesn't merge previous commits, so if you may need to cherry-pick other commits if there's an interdependency
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00:19 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Eh?
00:19 < SupSuper> i did a thing: https://www.dropbox.com/s/u5xfy8gi2qwfbfp/DanielAlbano-GameCV.pdf?dl=0
00:20 < SupSuper> did i oversell it? :v
00:22 <@JonnyH> looks fine to me
00:22 <@JonnyH> Kinda makes sense to put the "game" stuff on top...
00:23 < SupSuper> yeah everyone told me to focus on games and openxcom first :p
00:23 <@JonnyH> question: Do PT universities have different graduation "categories" (honors, first/second/whatever?)
00:23 < SupSuper> even if it isn't do chronological
00:23 <@JonnyH> 'caus in the UK "graduated" is like code for "Just about scraped a pass"
00:23 < SupSuper> JonnyH: not afaik
00:24 <@JonnyH> other than that LGTM
00:24 <@JonnyH> I wouldn't worry too much about adding *everything*, as I've always seen the CV as "Is this enough to get an interview"?
00:25 <@JonnyH> where the real decision is made
00:25 < SupSuper> it just means "that's when it ended". i used to put start-end year but that always caused confusions :p
00:25 < SupSuper> because if they don't see you doing a BSc in 3 years flat they get testy
00:25 < SupSuper> and yeah i've cut a lot of stuff (jams, tools, etc), was just hoping i wasn't overselling my openapoc deeds ;)
00:26 <@JonnyH> In the uk the classifications are honor levels (first, second (split into first/second category within that), third), then "just" a a pass
00:26 <@JonnyH> perhaps put the github link instead of the website?
00:27 < SupSuper> well julian is from the uk, maybe i should tweak that
00:27 < SupSuper> should i just put 2014?
00:27 <@JonnyH> as they're probably less interested in the whining in the forums :)
00:27 <@JonnyH> Naa, graduated is fine
00:27 <@JonnyH> if PT unis do have some kind of classification it might be worth mentioning
00:28 <@JonnyH> but if they don't just leave it
00:28 < SupSuper> we just get a grade
00:28 < SupSuper> like i have a 14 in a 0-20 scale
00:28 <@JonnyH> I also did a "start date" - as for some countries BSc level stuff is 4 years not 3
00:29 <@JonnyH> The problem with that is I don't ahve the context, for all I know 14 was the lowest in the class :P
00:29 < SupSuper> yeah we don't even have "classes" so :p
00:29 < SupSuper> it's a weighted average of all the courses, where 9.5+ is a passing grade
00:30 < SupSuper> and our BSc is 3 years, but i ended up taking 6 years because i tried doing MSc as well, blew that, so yeah it becomes a weird mess to explain in a CV :p
00:31 <@JonnyH> https://www.ten-percent.co.uk/conversion-table-for-us-gpa-to-uk-class-degrees/
00:31 <@JonnyH> "70%" weighted would be the cut off for the first and 2.1 in the uk
00:31 <@JonnyH> and most people see 2.1 as the cut off for a "Good" degree pass
00:32 <@JonnyH> so I guess you did alright :P
00:32 <@JonnyH> (I got a 2.1)
00:32 < SupSuper> yeah i guess 0-4 is equivalent to our 0-20
00:33 < SupSuper> so... 2.8? :p
00:33 <@JonnyH> 2.1 is uses to mean "second - first classification" - not decimal
00:34 <@JonnyH> so a 2.2 is the lower part of a second
00:34 <@JonnyH> It's one of these things that's probably there more for historical reasons than "sense" :P
00:34 < SupSuper> ah i was looking at the gpas
00:34 < SupSuper> so whatever
00:34 <@JonnyH> Oh, gpa is an american thing...
00:34 <@JonnyH> and having never actually looked for a job in the US I don't really know what it means :P
00:35 <@JonnyH> I did have to get some "international equivalancy" certificate for my visa stuff
00:35 <@JonnyH> but I think that was more to show the university wasn't just a pay-for-degree mill
00:35 < SupSuper> well apparently it's a "grade point average", so i guess same concept as ours but on a different scale
00:36 <@JonnyH> So.... looks good to me :)
00:36 <@JonnyH> if they want to talk to you I doubt that will discourage them
00:36 <@JonnyH> (if they don't for whatever reason, they'll find something to back that belief up no matter the resume :)
00:38 < SupSuper> hopefully i have grown wiser and more impressive in the last 3 years
00:38 <@JonnyH> Do you intend to have a cover letter too?
00:39 <@JonnyH> Maybe highlight openxcom as a thing, mention if you're willing to move/work remote/whatever, "misc" stuff (like ability in herding -cats- devs)
00:40 < SupSuper> yup. it goes straight to the man himself rather than some HR so i've taken some liberties :)
00:40 <@JonnyH> Oh no.... :P
00:40 < SupSuper> "I'M YOUR BIGGEST FANBOY XDDDDDDDDDDD"
00:40 <@JonnyH> While you've got his attention, can you ask him 50 thousand nitty gritty questions about a project he worked on over 2 decades ago? :P
00:41 < SupSuper> maybe you'll have better luck going through the credits list :P
00:41 <@JonnyH> Oh, and make sure you breathe heavily, stare at him and don't say *anything* if you do meet him
00:43  * JonnyH looks at "Graphics Programmer" on shapshotgames.com/jobs and wonders...
00:44 < SupSuper> how do you like shaders?
00:44 <@JonnyH> do you think "Helped write the spec" counts as "experience" :P
00:45 <@JonnyH> 'caus despite that I keep having to look up "simple" stuff...
00:45 < SupSuper> probably but i doubt you'll have unity source access :P
00:45 <@JonnyH> We probably have unity somewhere...
00:45 <@JonnyH> We get most game engines etc. through our devrel stuff
00:45 < SupSuper> do they have a vulkan renderer?
00:45 <@JonnyH> Oh, you mean at the game dev? Dunno if modifying unity itself it a done thing...
00:46 <@JonnyH> IIRC the latest version does
00:46 <@JonnyH> no idea if it's "production" yet though
00:46 <@JonnyH> I also did a fair few GL/GLES spec extensions/cts/whatever before that too
00:46 <@JonnyH> less so glsl, but some interactions I guess
00:46 < SupSuper> damn if you have the unity source somewhere, you're sitting on a goldmine for furious devs sick of the blackbox ;)
00:47 <@JonnyH> is it that bad?
00:47 < SupSuper> kinda
00:48 < SupSuper> if you can't figure out a thing, your only hope is desperately googling their forums or paying for the super duper unity source access / support if they'll even give you the time of day
00:48 < SupSuper> it has a lot of weird catches and bizarre decisions from them not really eating their dogfood
00:49 <@JonnyH> :/
00:49 < SupSuper> like i think most engines were born out of a game but unity was kinda out of a vacuum, or tech demos, and it shows
00:49 < SupSuper> but in the end it's still the most indie-friendly 3d engine around so. just frustrating when you hit a brick wall
00:50 <@JonnyH> I remember ages ago looking at the unity src
00:50 <@JonnyH> trying to debug some weird crash-at-startup that was stopping someone shipping a game
00:50 <@JonnyH> a bit "nudge and wink" under the table
00:51 <@JonnyH> it turned out to be a 'bad' (or at least weird) shader that was crashing the glsl compiler on some drivers on linux
00:51 <@JonnyH> and back then unity compiled all shaders at startup, even if they weren't used... and this wasn't used but somehow ended up in the package
00:52 < SupSuper> "this wasn't used but somehow ended up in the package" that happens a lot :p
00:52 <@JonnyH> Kerbal Space Program it was... They seem to have done well for themselves :P
00:52 < SupSuper> arguably, they've been bought by Take-Two now :p
00:52 <@JonnyH> The guy I knew left ages ago
00:53 <@JonnyH> to valve or something...
00:53 < SupSuper> god KSP, now there was a game that clearly could've used a custom engine...
00:53 <@JonnyH> From the sound of it the "real" dev team had already moved on
00:53 <@JonnyH> you can kinda tell it grew out of a "one-man weekend project" :P
00:53 <@JonnyH> The company isn't even a games company... they're adverts and signage at heart :P
00:53 < SupSuper> yeah rumor is the conditions were... not great. at least they got somewhere before collapsing in on themselves
00:54 <@JonnyH> Well, let me know when you get hired :P
00:54 <@JonnyH> I'm off for the afternoon
00:54 < SupSuper> i like your optimism :)
00:55 <@JonnyH> (never said who by... I heard walmart have open positions here :)
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18:53 < SupSuper> "I think it would be easier code-wise" is a pretty good giveaway someone is full of shit
19:00 <@JonnyH> Is that an "Ideas man?"
19:01 < SupSuper> i'm not sure ideas men know what code is...
19:05 <@JonnyH> It's that little bit of busywork you can hire anyone just to finish off
19:05 <@JonnyH> anyway, off for lunch...
19:05 <@JonnyH> Should I file bugs on the research stuff now, or later? :P
19:17 < SupSuper> you mean i'm not supposed to merge it straight away? :P
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20:31 < SupSuper> what do you mean?
20:31 <@JonnyH> I mean probably when you get 2.0 have a "bugfix only" branch
20:32 <@JonnyH> so when people ask "Where can I download the latest version to play?"
20:32 <@JonnyH> you don't have to say "Well, 1.0 is stable, but buggy... nightly may have fewer bugs, maybe more... who knows?"
20:32 < SupSuper> ah
20:32 <@JonnyH> so you can merge anything you want into the dev trunk with less consideration :P
20:33 < SupSuper> that would require changing the git builder :p
20:33 <@JonnyH> as only "testers" are using it anyway
20:33 <@JonnyH> pff, use appveyor or something
20:33 <@JonnyH> no need to pay for it anymore :)
20:33 < SupSuper> but in practice that's probably how 2.0+ will be, as there are no more groundbreaking features to disrupt everything
20:34 <@JonnyH> So I have some massive disrupting changes that improve performance in one tiny loop by 1%
20:34 <@JonnyH> when can I merge? :P
20:34 < SupSuper> like that was the original plan after 1.0 but it was impossible to just branch out TFTD, it was 90% rewrite
20:34 < SupSuper> now we'll just roll out a new 2.x after enough fixes/features have accumulated
20:35 < SupSuper> JonnyH: i mean compatibility breakage, you could rewrite all the code for all the users cared as long as their shit still works :p
20:36 <@JonnyH> yeah, but honestly what are the chances I could rewrite *anything* and not turn it into a buggy mess?
20:37 < SupSuper> right, that's what nightlies are for :p
20:37 < SupSuper> once your stuff proves not buggy enough (or we just roll it back), it gets a stable
20:38 < SupSuper> and i'm not planning any more big exciting releases after 2.0 :p don't have the stomach for it anymore
20:38 < SupSuper> maybe if firaxis hires me to remake everything in hd or something
20:38 <@JonnyH> Of course then you'll be too busy making xcom3 or phoenix point from the deep or something
20:39 < SupSuper> i'm sure you can take it over if need be. think of all the opengl you could rewrite ;)
20:40 <@JonnyH> ooh boy, doing all the shading in shaders :D
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19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> ugh, layoffs...
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> You hear back from snapshot games SupSuper?
19:09 <@JonnyH`Work> they still hiring? :P
19:12 < SupSuper> you got laid off?
19:12 < SupSuper> no and yes, respectively :P
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> No, I'm ok
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> but I'm still chained to my visa... that expires sept...
19:13 <@JonnyH`Work> and the replacement "should" be done by oct, but it's not 100%...
19:14 < SupSuper> oh fun
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> And I've been screwed around enough by the visa stuff I would likely be actively looking
19:14 < SupSuper> i bet trump is listening in right now
19:14 < SupSuper> well snapshot *is* looking for graphics programmers, you know graphics right :p
19:15 <@JonnyH`Work> kinda I suppose :P
19:17 < SupSuper> you can always retire and go full-time on openapoc ;)
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> huehuehue
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> And you can retire on your openxcom millions
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--- Log opened Thu Jul 27 22:43:13 2017
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05:48 < makus> Hey to all =]
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00:56 < Yataka_> Hello?
00:58 < Yataka_> Yodolehiyooooo!
00:59 < Yataka_> JohnnyH? Istribitel? Kammerer? Makus? You guys here?
00:59 < SupSuper> europe's asleep right now, it's like 2am gmt
01:00 < Yataka_> ?!!
01:00 < Yataka_> You are even here too?
01:00 < SupSuper> i'm everywhere
01:00 < SupSuper> and nowhere
01:00 < Yataka_> Okay
01:01 < Lightkey> ..but JonnyH`Away is in Canada and GMT has been deprecated like a century ago
01:02 < Yataka_> Who are you supposed to be? Makes?
01:02 < Yataka_> *makus?*
01:03 < SupSuper> you can call it whatever you want, it's still the same time zone
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11:44 < Yataka> Good morning/evening
11:55 < Yataka> Hello???
11:55 < Yataka> Hello everyone from me
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04:13 < Yataka> Hi
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23:41 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] rogersachan opened pull request #122: Format and clean up README (master...master) https://git.io/v5sc7
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23:42 < LucasOne> Anyone here?
23:42 < LucasOne> I've submitted a pull request to fix the README on GitHub https://github.com/pmprog/OpenApoc/pull/122
23:42 < LucasOne> Is there any CLA or the like that I have to sign?
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17:41 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
17:41 < JonnyH> Hey there :)
17:41 < JonnyH> It's been a while...
17:41 < Istrebitel> Do you have an idea why "git pull jonnyh wip/equipscreen" might not be working?
17:41 < Istrebitel> Yeah, didn't have spare time for a while but now I do so I came back to old plans
17:42 < JonnyH> IIRC branch names are case-sensitive - try "WIP/equipscreen"?
17:42 < JonnyH> and I still don't have much spare time right now -_-
17:42 < JonnyH> I'm not giving up though!
17:42 < Istrebitel> oh
17:42 < Istrebitel> they are
17:42 < Istrebitel> lol
17:42 < Istrebitel> okay stupid me for not trying that
17:43 < Istrebitel> yeah if I get enough time I'll finish that equipment screen at least
17:43 < JonnyH> Pff, I've done 50 stupider things before breakfast
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16:20 < Istrebitel> Hello JonnyH
16:38 < JonnyH> hey
16:43 < Istrebitel> So, inventory is done. I will fix some issues and I hope to push to pmprog today. Shall we release a playable alpha?
16:43 < JonnyH> Sure, that would be awsome!
16:45 < JonnyH> TBH with a lot of crap going IRL for me recently
16:45 < JonnyH> having that might help my motivation :)
16:56 < Istrebitel> so how do we do that? could you do it?
16:57 < JonnyH> Well, we've not released anything to have a 'release process' yet :P
16:57 < JonnyH> Probably creating a tag in git?
16:58 < JonnyH> Then we can upload the output from the autobuild to the github 'releases' page?
16:59 < Istrebitel> I just don't have enough experience doing that, and right now my time is limited too so I'd rather stick to something I know how to do quickly (code)
17:00 < JonnyH> Sure, don't bother with any of the "non-code" parts :P
17:00 < JonnyH> maybe we should make a branch, disable the features that don't work, and call that a "release"?
17:03 < Istrebitel> well we don't have nonworking features in our master?
17:03 < Istrebitel> since we only push to pmprog/master when it's working?
17:04 < JonnyH> I mean partially implemented systems
17:05 < JonnyH> If we think that's fine, go ahead
17:05 < JonnyH> but I was more thinking about adding a "skirmish" button to the main menu and gray-ing out the others :P
17:07 < Istrebitel> well problem with that is we need a loaded game to launch a skirmish
17:07 < Istrebitel> that's why I added it into ingame menu
17:07 < Istrebitel> because we can't launch skirmish without a loaded game since we don't have the data
17:07 < Istrebitel> surely this could be implemented in a better way
17:09 < JonnyH> Probably... We need the data for all the weapon/agent/whatever stats though
17:10 < JonnyH> Perhaps just adding a new buttin that still loads a specified difficulty gamestate, starts it up, then goes straight to the skirmish screen without a Cityview would work for now
17:23 < Istrebitel> well but we do want them to test cityscape (what's working of it) too
17:23 < Istrebitel> so maybe it's okay for now? it's alpha after all, it's just for them to see it's actually working somewhat and find all bugs ?
17:25 < JonnyH> Sure, perhaps slap "ALPHA - expect stuff not to work!" at the top :)
17:25 < JonnyH> but that is small stuff
17:25 < Istrebitel> well we should include a readme of what's working and what's not and what to test
17:25 < Istrebitel> that I will write
17:26 < JonnyH> sounds like a good idea
17:30 < Istrebitel> so if I do that could you handle the release?
17:31 < JonnyH> Sure, if "release" you mean packing up the builds, hosting them somewhere, then having a quick release note blogpost or something we can link people to
17:33 < Istrebitel> yes basically something that will explain to people that they can download openapoc alpha here, follow instructions to put game data, and play
17:33 < Istrebitel> and hosting the files of openapoc themselves for download
17:34 < JonnyH> Could even put together an "installer" for windows...
17:34 < JonnyH> Probably easier if it does "Select your apoc cd.iso" in a dialog than relying on people copying stuff to the correct place
17:36 < Istrebitel> well yes whatever you can spare time to do
17:36 < Istrebitel> at this point I think telling people to manually copy is fine but if you could do that it would be great
17:36 < JonnyH> "small" things I can spend time doing
17:37 < JonnyH> I just cant put together solid chunks of time to get back into "real" dev right now
17:37 < Istrebitel> well if you could do the release part it would be great
17:37 < Istrebitel> on a side note, aren't we parsing economy data yet???
17:38 < Istrebitel> like item costs and stuff?
17:38 < JonnyH> don't think so...
17:38 < JonnyH> There was some work on decoding it, but don't think it got as far as "code"
17:39 < Istrebitel> oh i see
17:40 < Istrebitel> yeah we didn't get to that point yet, with buying and selling and shit
17:40 < Istrebitel> okay
17:40 < Istrebitel> it just means we don't have easy way to distinguish playable items from things like builtin alien weapons
17:45 < Istrebitel> will hardcode it for now then
17:45 < Istrebitel> I just want to give people stuff to equip their skirmishers with
17:48 < Istrebitel> oh and if you have too many inventory items it's getting out of bounds and we have no way to scroll it using controls as we're just drawing it manually
17:49 < JonnyH> Yeah, that was one of the things I was intending to fix...
17:50 < Istrebitel> did you come up with a solution?
17:51 < JonnyH> I still wasn't 100% on how I should implement that
17:51 < JonnyH> a Scrollbar of paired Controls (for the Icon and count) would probably be simplist...
17:52 < JonnyH> I did some work experimenting with that, but can't remember how far I got (if anywhere)
17:52 < Istrebitel> but that would require us to create/destroy controls instead of just drawing stuff which is faster
17:52 < Istrebitel> i mean current soultion is quite elegant if it fits on one scree n(only I don't like re-creating the list every frame, isntead I create it once and change it when it changes and just render from it)
17:54 < Istrebitel> maybe we just limit what's drawn for now, and use scroll buttons as simple buttons that shift drawn offset?
17:58 < Istrebitel> okay I will figure something out tomorrow
17:59 < Istrebitel> I guess I will use buttons to change pages
17:59 < Istrebitel> and display in pages
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18:31 < Istrebitel> yay, got pages for inventory working
18:33 < SupSuper> pages?
18:33 < Istrebitel> well yes, scrolling through multiple pages of inventory (stuff in base or on ground)
18:35 < SupSuper> ohhhh nice
18:35 < SupSuper> i shared your progress on the openxcom page, seems to be getting a lot of traction
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18:40 < Istrebitel> okay, I will hopefully have a working version pushed tomorrow. still fixing bugs so maybe i'll find something yet, so I won't push today
18:40 < Istrebitel> but it's almost done
18:41 < Istrebitel> then I write the text and we can release playable alpha
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19:46 <@pmprog_laptop> Istrebitel, are you here?
19:46 <@pmprog_laptop> Hey SupSuper, thanks for the page share
19:46 < SupSuper> anytime
19:46 <@pmprog_laptop> (Assuming it was you)
19:46 < SupSuper> yup :)
19:46 < SupSuper> Istrebitel was here an hour ago at least
19:47 <@pmprog_laptop> Bah, I'm not going to be here for long, but I've actually got some free time coming up, so was hoping to have a dabble into OpenApoc again (whoooo)
19:47 <@pmprog_laptop> but have no idea what's priority on the list that's not being worked on
19:48 <@pmprog_laptop> How's things with you anyhoo?
19:48 <@pmprog_laptop> OXC still going strong?
19:52 < SupSuper> yeah OXC never ends, sadly don't have as much time for it as i would want but the community never seems to die
19:52 < SupSuper> we got a discord which really helped, i guess it's the hot new thing? you might consider setting one up for openapoc
19:52 <@pmprog_laptop> I barely make it into IRC :-P
19:53 <@pmprog_laptop> But yeah, I have thought about checking Discord before
19:53 < SupSuper> well it's just as idlable as IRC :P
19:53 < SupSuper> as for openapoc, i would guess Istrebitel has the battlescape covered but anything cityscape is probably fair game. there should still be a trello around somewhere...
19:54 <@pmprog_laptop> Better log into Trello then. Wonder if I could set up the menus to have the skirmish mode that Istrebitel has pretty much set up
19:55 <@pmprog_laptop> Then at least it's useful for pushing forward a release
19:55 <@pmprog_laptop> I haven't even looked at the code for so long...
19:55 < SupSuper> yeah he just just reused my message log ui :D could probably clean it up for users
19:56 < SupSuper> i doubt the code has changed much...
19:56 < SupSuper> i guess the main piece missing is digging into the city simulation
19:56 <@pmprog_laptop> If you think, when I was involved we used Allegro, now it's SDL. I've noticed bits have been moved into seperate "projects" too
19:57 <@pmprog_laptop> so yeah, I'd say it's changed a lot :)
19:57 < SupSuper> well with JonnyH`Away around the backend stuff is always changing all over the place :) but the gameplay code is much the same i would say
19:58 <@pmprog_laptop> I've not seen any of either really... But yeah, hopefully will get back into it
19:58 < SupSuper> well if you need some pointers just let me know. although i only really did some basescape and ui stuff... you know, some stuff never changes
19:59 <@pmprog_laptop> Cheers
19:59 < SupSuper> here's the old thing, though i don't think it's seen much use since there's only one person active at any one time: https://trello.com/b/lX5Y3DwR/openapoc
20:00 <@pmprog_laptop> I must admit, since moving back to Windows, I've run into a problem where because I have a lot git host as well as github, it seems to always fail pushing to github these days :(
20:00 <@pmprog_laptop> I don't even know how to fix it
20:01 < SupSuper> what do you mean?
20:05 <@Istrebitel> hello pmprog
20:05 <@pmprog_laptop> SupSuper: github tortoisegit "no supported authentication methods available"
20:05 <@pmprog_laptop> Hi Istrebitel, how's it going?
20:05 <@pmprog_laptop> Great work on the latest vid
20:06 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: sounds like your ssh is messed up
20:06 <@Istrebitel> good, starting a small business here, but I have some spare time for coding so I decided to finish what we need for playable alpha
20:06 < SupSuper> at some point i would just recommend cleaning out your dev software and starting fresh, download all the latest versions etc
20:06 <@pmprog_laptop> Works fine with my local server
20:07 <@Istrebitel> so, what we need most is actually not coding but more work on algorithms. We need cityscape and battlescape ai
20:07 <@Istrebitel> by cityscape AI I mean how the vehicles choose to maneuver in combat
20:07 <@pmprog_laptop> Istrebitel, sounds great! What do we need to make a playable alpha? I was thinking of maybe updating the menu system to help get into the skirmish mode you've made
20:07 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: well i mean the git config for ssh. might need to clean up your config or update to the latest or something
20:07 <@Istrebitel> and by battlescape AI I mean making aliens act like they did in vanilla, as well as implementing unit behavior (things like taking cover when in cautious mode)
20:07 < SupSuper> if you're using github 2fa that might also affect it
20:08 <@Istrebitel> to code this we must first figure out how it works in vanilla and make it into an algorithm and then we can code it
20:08 <@Istrebitel> as for coding
20:08 <@Istrebitel> we have a lot of stuff we know how it works
20:08 <@Istrebitel> to code
20:08 <@pmprog_laptop> SupSuper, I'm not using 2fa, and it's a pretty clean setup
20:08 <@Istrebitel> I'd say start with a control for agents in vehicles (so when you open building you see vehicles in it and agents in in and can move agents into vehicles
20:08 <@Istrebitel> and then implement agents being assigned to vehicles and moving when in vehicles
20:09 <@pmprog_laptop> Istrebitel, okay, I'll try and have a look at that in the morning.
20:09 <@Istrebitel> then we could implement starting missions by clicking buttons in buildings
20:10 <@Istrebitel> and we could have first really playable thing
20:10 <@Istrebitel> liek you could raid sirius and stuff :)
20:11 <@Istrebitel> as for alpha, for now we have all we need, I think for first alpha release having skirmish button inside cityscape is fine, this is like a release for people to just toy around with battlescape and cityscape and find out all the bugs we already put in :)
20:11 <@pmprog_laptop> Sounds good
20:11 <@pmprog_laptop> Okay, I'll see how that goes in the morning
20:11 <@Istrebitel> so I'd say go for the interface for agents/vehicles in buildings and for moving agents on vehicles
20:11 <@Istrebitel> I will push to pmprog tomorrow everning with my agent inventory changes
20:11 < SupSuper> yeah i'd say go for something super simple for ui just to get acquainted with the code all over again, that's how i got started
20:11 <@Istrebitel> when I am sure it's free of bugs
20:11 < SupSuper> and then dig into vehicles or something
20:12 < SupSuper> well we have vehicles, but they are pretty mindless :)
20:12 <@Istrebitel> oh  yeah btw did we implement tooltips?
20:12 <@Istrebitel> I thought you were doing some interface work SupSuper?
20:12 < SupSuper> i've been away from the project for a whiiiiiiiiiiiile
20:12 < SupSuper> last i checked JonnyH`Away was doing something with tooltips
20:13 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: as for your git problems: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3431314/github-no-supported-authentication-methods-available
20:13 < SupSuper> might be simpler to just use HTTPS these days
20:14 <@Istrebitel> could you give me a hint where to look?
20:14 <@Istrebitel> ah I see
20:14 <@Istrebitel> wip/tooltips
20:15 <@Istrebitel> yeah doesn't seem ready
20:15 <@Istrebitel> okay this isn't high priority
20:17 <@pmprog_laptop> Cheers SupSuper, I will have a look at that in the morning. See if it fixes my problems
20:17 <@pmprog_laptop> And yeah, I'll have a look at dabbling back with building overview
20:18 <@pmprog_laptop> Heading off now, but hopefully be on again at some point tomorrow and Weds
20:18 <@pmprog_laptop> Cheers guys
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21:19 <@JonnyH> Oh boy, y'all going to make me feel guilty about doing nothing useful recently....
21:19 < SupSuper> :p
21:19 < SupSuper> time to finish those tooltips!
21:22 <@JonnyH> Like everything I seem to end up doing
21:22 <@JonnyH> "Simple feature" turns into "MASSIVE FORMS INPUT SYSTEM REWRITE" for little benefit...
21:23 < SupSuper> can't feel any guiltier than me
21:23 < SupSuper> maybe let pmprog do that one ;)
21:23 < SupSuper> on the bright side, it's pretty unlikely we'll need to worry about any more vs upgrades
21:24 <@JonnyH> They claimed the last update was api-compatible...but it wasn't...
21:32 <@JonnyH> I have one WIP project outstanding with dolphin, then I'll be back the (openapoc) wagon
21:32 <@JonnyH> ...I promise :)
21:33 <@JonnyH> As after months of fighting I can no longer do anything with my visa...
21:33 <@JonnyH> It's in the hands of the gods now
21:35 < SupSuper> damn
21:35 < SupSuper> what are you doing with dolphin? were you behind the ubershaders? :p
21:37 <@JonnyH> Oh no, fixed a few issues with that though
21:37 <@JonnyH> I was trying to make the android experience a little less of a shitshow
21:38 <@JonnyH> and this is the thanks I get: https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-why-dolphin-android-not-play-mw3-please-reply-help-me-thanks
21:38 <@JonnyH> grumble grumble....
21:38 <@JonnyH> I managed to phrase it in a way to actually use "work time" on it :P
21:38 < SupSuper> lol
21:38 < SupSuper> impressed it runs on android at all :p
21:39 <@JonnyH> It keeps surprising me to this day :P
21:40 <@JonnyH> especially as PVR seems one of the better ones :)
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15:10 <@Istrebitel> Okay, so, inventory is ready, and I've tested all I could think of and fixed what worked wrongly
15:12 <@Istrebitel> one thing to note is that I don't want to implement vanilla way of two different ways inventory works (on base it makes you choose between equipping armor or items by clicking a button, while in other cases it lets you equip everything at once). this is just kinda redundant, makes no real benefit to the player, will take extra time to implement
15:12 <@Istrebitel> so even in base we have all items and armor available in one screen
15:12 <@Istrebitel> and there's no buttons in the top right
15:12 <@Istrebitel> I think this is acceptable even as we strive to replicate vanilla fully
15:13 <@Istrebitel> So I'm pushing this now and if there's no error with travis I'll push into pmprog today
15:15 <@Istrebitel> I will make a video today or tomorrow explaining what's done and what we want people to try out, as well as a readme text file
15:15 <@Istrebitel> So we can release alpha as soon as tomorrow evening
15:17 <@JonnyH> Cool :D
15:17 <@JonnyH> Dunno if I'll be ready to "Release" tomorrow
15:17 <@JonnyH> but this week certainly
15:17 <@Istrebitel> this week is fine
15:17 <@JonnyH> tag it as 0.1 or something
15:17 <@Istrebitel> maybe some other bug comes up and I'll have time to fix this. but I hope not. I tested all I could think of
15:17 <@JonnyH> or branch what you think is a good point, if we want to make "release specific" changes
15:17 <@Istrebitel> how do I tag?
15:19 <@JonnyH> "git tag 0.1" :P
15:19 <@JonnyH> if you have the revision you want checked out
15:19 <@Istrebitel> and btw if you could look into my travis it for some reason errors again on linux build without saying what's wrong
15:19 <@JonnyH> gota  link?
15:20 <@Istrebitel> https://travis-ci.org/Istrebitel/OpenApoc
15:20 <@Istrebitel> only builds .2 and .4 work, others "error"
15:21 <@JonnyH> huh, looks like it failed to get the dependency packages...
15:21 <@JonnyH> .2 and .4 are Mac OSX
15:22 <@JonnyH> the issue seems to be the ubuntu that travis uses for some reason doesn't want to install the packages... I guess there's been an update or something?
15:22 <@JonnyH> You can safely ignore linux for now - I don't intend to ship linux "builds"
15:23 <@JonnyH> so having a 0.1.1 that fixes linux wouldn't be a big deal
15:29 <@JonnyH> your github master (cf44d24d62c61f6c1412457b1728a1131095bd2c) builds for me if I cherry-pick a gcc7 fix (a05d0886d712490e563c87d1c9c5b0b1e34c4c67)
15:30 <@JonnyH> so it'll "probably" work if we fix the ubuntu-spefici issue on travis :P
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18:34 <@pmprog> Hi guys
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> hey
18:36 <@JonnyH`Work> I'm currently debating on spending $5000 on crazy car mods just to beat a co-worker at an offhand comment about how his jeep is "fast"
18:36 <@pmprog> Didn't get chance to open Apoc code today, this bloody mp3 player thing is taking me forever
18:37 <@JonnyH`Work> mp3 player thing?
18:37 <@pmprog> I have a Raspberry Pi, that I've got soldered up to a DIP switch and two push switches. The idea is that based on the DIP positions, it'll play music for 4 hours and shutdown. But I'm trying to get the pushbuttons to control the volume.
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> aah :)
18:38 <@JonnyH`Work> sounds fun
18:38 <@pmprog> So I'm currently looking at how to use uinput to send VOLUMEUP and VOLUMEDOWN keys
18:38 <@pmprog> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/input/uinput.rst - This only refers to handling the space bar
18:39 <@pmprog> So I don't know if I have to set multiple keybits or none so I can send two different keys
18:39 <@pmprog> All the examples I've found only deal with sending a single key
18:39 <@JonnyH`Work> presmably 'emit(KEY_A, 1); emit(KEY_B, 1); emit(KEY_A, 0); emit(KEY_B, 0);'?
18:40 <@pmprog> Apart from FunKeyMonkey (https://github.com/bzar/funkeymonkey/blob/master/include/uinputdevice.h), I think I need to do mutlple ioctls
18:40 <@pmprog> emit?
18:40 <@JonnyH`Work> void emit(int fd, int type, int code, int val)
18:41 <@pmprog> Do I just call that on the open /dev/uinput file?
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> void emit(int fd, int type, int code, int val)
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> in the example uinput.rst
18:41 <@pmprog> Ah, that's after the setup
18:41 <@JonnyH`Work> skilling the fd and type :)
18:42 <@pmprog> Yeah, but you see a bit further up they ioctl(fd, UI_SET_KEYBIT, KEY_SPACE)... Do I need to do that for all the keys I want to support? I guess so
18:42 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, multiple SET_KEYBIT ioctls seems the only method...
18:43 <@pmprog> To be though, SET_KEYBIT sounds like a single overwriting function, kind of like setting a bit mask... but I can only assume it's not by funkeymonkey's code
18:44 <@pmprog> Anyway, once I've got that finished, just a couple more tweaks needed so it loads different playlists based on the DIP positions, and bingo... done
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> uinput_set_bit(KEY_*) calls setbit(KEY_*) on a bitmask of size(KEY_CNT_
18:46 <@JonnyH`Work> so I guess you have to call it multiple times, one for each key...
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> it doesn't reset the other bits
18:47 <@JonnyH`Work> ...there doesn't seem to be an "unset" ioctl?
18:48 <@pmprog> Cool, thanks for checking that for me
18:55 <@pmprog> Ah crap, the "close" function to close the filehandle is conflicting with the Qt window's close function :(
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> ...what?
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Try ::close()?
18:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Or don't import whole namespaces - as that's bad
18:56 <@pmprog> Nice one, thanks. AFAIK I'm not importing any namespaces (default Qt project though)
18:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Might be as you're inheriting a QWhatever
19:11 <@pmprog> Well, it was looking good, but didn't work... Now the alsa mixer is broken, so it's rebooting (I don't think this was my fault)
19:12 <@JonnyH`Work> rebooting seems a bit of an extreme reaction...
19:16 <@pmprog> It's a raspberry pi, takes 20 seconds :)
19:16 <@pmprog> Well, I'm not getting any errors, but Audacious isn't registering the keys
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> no idea how uinput is merged into the composite 'keyboard' device...
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe X isn't binding to that?
19:17 <@JonnyH`Work> no idea, sorry, input is well outside what I normally work with here
19:19 <@pmprog> Ah, don't worry... I did start looking at implementing it as an Audacious  plugin, maybe I need to go back to looking at that
19:20 <@JonnyH`Work> audacious feels a little heavyweight for an mp3player appliance...
19:21 <@pmprog> I wanted a single player that supported not just mp3s, but oggs, SID and other VGM files
19:21 <@JonnyH`Work> when something like mplayer's scriptable input or decoder piped to aplay would be easier for a headless device...
19:21 <@pmprog> I used to use VLC, but that doesn't do SID etc.
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19:40 <@pmprog> Cool, got it working, but had to drop the VOLUMEUP/DOWN keys and move to regular keys. As it's a headerless Pi, that's fine :)
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21:32 <@pmprog> Right, see you tomorrow
21:32 <@JonnyH`Work> o7
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16:54 <@Istrebitel> aaand now travis won't build at all
16:55 <@Istrebitel> it won't build on mac and it errors on linux
16:55 <@Istrebitel> and I have no clue why
16:55 <@Istrebitel> I restartr build but nothing happens
16:55 <@Istrebitel> it says "built not started so theres no log to show" and thats it
16:55 <@Istrebitel> for mac builds
16:57 <@JonnyH`Work> :/
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> If we can no longer rely on travis we might have to move to something else...
16:58 <@JonnyH`Work> Or just disable it, and I'll have to work through linux issues as I see them locally (if you don't find it useful)
17:27 <@Istrebitel> I find it useful because sometimes syntax works on win and doesn't on linux
17:28 <@Istrebitel> and I don't know by heart all the conditions
17:28 <@Istrebitel> like I write = nullptr and it works on windows and then on linux it complains about ambiguity
17:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, I bet even the people who wrote the c++ spec don't know it "by heart" :P
18:18 <@Istrebitel> okay so I found a gazillion new bugs and travis stopped working so I have no idea if what I added will work on linux
18:18 <@Istrebitel> should I push to pmprog?
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> If you want me to check on linux first, you can let me know which branch on your github I should look at
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Or just push it - nobody relies on pmprog being 100% functional all the time :P
18:23 <@Istrebitel> okay I will push then, if you encounter any problems ping me and I will fix it asap
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> If it's an obvious fix I might just do a pmprog push myself
18:24 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll let you know so you can merge that back into yours though
18:25 <@Istrebitel> ok
18:26 <@Istrebitel> I will push in about half an hour after I do a final check, I release video explaining all alpha features today/tomorrow and the txt with description is in the project (in doc folder)
18:27 <@JonnyH`Work> Cool :D
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19:21 <@Istrebitel> okay, found another bug, will push tomorrow after I fix it
19:22 <@Istrebitel> apparently all our projectiles moved wrongly because when we set their speed we don't scale it according to velocity_scale, but when we apply, we do!
19:22 <@Istrebitel> so the further apart units are on Z level, the further projectiles go off target
19:22 <@Istrebitel> gotta fix thistomorrow
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> huh... interesting :P
19:23 < SupSuper> i see openapoc is active again :o
19:23 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel is once again "The Man"
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09:49 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #123: Version 0.1 Alpha (master...master) https://git.io/v5wgF
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11:44 < kkmic> Failed to open "music" from the CD - likely the cd couldn't be loaded or paths are incorrect if using an extracted CD image
11:45 < kkmic> Hmm... I'm pretty sure I have followed the instructions to the letter
11:45 < kkmic> I'll try again
12:20 <@pmprog> kkmic: did you get it working?
12:20 < kkmic> Just finished building it
12:20 < kkmic> One moment
12:21 < kkmic> Nope, same error
12:21 < kkmic> I am pretty sure that I have followed the instructions exactly
12:26 <@pmprog> did you copy "cd.iso" into the data folder?
12:27 <@pmprog> Oooh, Istrebitel has merged his changes. Cool :)
12:29 < kkmic> Yep, I did
12:30 <@pmprog> What platform are you running?
12:30 < kkmic> Ubuntu
12:31 <@pmprog> is your cd.iso is lower case?
12:31 < kkmic> Yep
12:31 <@pmprog> Can you copy the whole text from the log?
12:32 < kkmic> https://pastebin.com/MNd3GMbu
12:35 <@pmprog> If you open cd.iso in an archive viewer, is there a file called "MUSIC" in the root?
12:37 <@pmprog> Does any of the rest of the game work?
12:38 < kkmic> Nope, that is a crash message on launch
12:38 < kkmic> Let me check the iso though
12:39 <@pmprog> Are you running from source code? or a binary? If the latter, is the "data" folder in the same place as the binary?
12:40 <@pmprog> so if you had "/home/dev/openapoc/executable", you'd have "/home/dev/openapoc/data/cd.iso"
12:41 < kkmic>     OpenApoc by default expects the data folder to be in the current working directory, so running the executable from the root of the git checkout should work: ./build/bin/OpenApoc
12:42 <@pmprog> yep, that's right. Have you tried copying the OpenApoc binary to the git root though?
12:42 < kkmic> Basically I did a clone, I inited and updated the submodules, I copied the iso to data/, then I made a build dir and built the binary there
12:42 < kkmic> The I did a cd .. and tried to run the game from there
12:42 < kkmic> Nop, that I have not tried
12:42 < kkmic> One moment
12:43 < kkmic> Same error
12:44 <@pmprog> Did you check the MUSIC file inside cd.iso?
12:45 < kkmic> Yeah, it's an original image, AFAIK
12:46 < kkmic> I'll show you the content
12:46 < kkmic> Maybe that is the issue
12:46 <@pmprog> Maybe if you extract the MUSIC file into the data directory?
12:46 < kkmic> But I remember running the game with this very image a while ago
12:48 < kkmic> https://pastebin.com/3jtdbsSL
12:49 <@pmprog> is that the same casing as the filenames on the cd? MUSIC on my cd is upper case.
12:49 <@pmprog> I'm pretty sure we had code that checked for different casing, but if you extract it and change it to be uppercase, and see if that works
12:51 < kkmic> It's uppercase on my image too
12:51 < kkmic> But there is no check that the actual image exists?
12:52 < kkmic> I mean, if I have the wrong image file or if I don't have a image file at all, I still get the same error message?
12:54 < kkmic> Just trying to sort out the errors :)
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13:11 <@pmprog> Did you try extracting the MUSIC file into the data directory?
13:14 < kkmic> Where to? In data/ ?
13:14 < kkmic> Ah
13:14 <@pmprog> yes
13:15 < kkmic> Should I try extracting everything or just the music file?
13:16 <@pmprog> Just try the music file for now
13:17 < kkmic> Same error
13:17 < kkmic> The file is all in caps on disk
13:17 < kkmic> Should I try renaming it all lowercase?
13:19 <@pmprog> Yes, that was going to be my next guess
13:19 <@pmprog> I've just noticed that the "tracks" list in mainmenu.cpp is in lowercase, but the file is upper case
13:19 < kkmic> Same error still
13:21 <@pmprog> "LogError("Path \"%s\" contains CAPITAL - cut it out!", path);"
13:22 <@pmprog> Urm, seems lots of things have changed since I last was here
13:22 < kkmic> :)
13:22 < kkmic> Welcome back
13:22 < kkmic> Leave it be, I'll poke JonnyH or Istrebitel when I'll catch one of them
13:23 <@pmprog> I can see where it's erroring. Framework line 295
13:23 <@pmprog> but I don't understand why it doesn't work
13:24 <@pmprog> Ah... by any chance, do you have a version of PHYSFS installed in your Linux?
13:24 < kkmic> Hmm... let me check
13:24 <@pmprog> Because IIRC, JonnyH`Away had to make a bugfixed version for OpenApoc... and you might be running against the wrong version
13:25 <@pmprog> I can't remember what the bug he fixed was now, but I do remember there being one
13:26 < kkmic> Nop, physfs not installed
13:27 <@pmprog> Hmmm. I'm a bit stuck then.
13:49 < kkmic> Like I said, leave it be
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15:21 <@JonnyH`Work> hey kids
15:24 <@JonnyH`Work> kkmic: If you check openapoc_log.txt in $(PWD) from where you can it
15:24 <@JonnyH`Work> you might see: Failed to add resource dir "./data/cd.iso", error: not found
15:24 <@JonnyH`Work> ?
15:24 <@JonnyH`Work> that's the file that needs to exist
15:28 <@JonnyH`Work> ..or run it as ./OpenApoc --Data.CD=/path/to/cd.iso if you don't want to copy it to a specific subdir
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16:02 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #124: fixed buggy item ui (master...master) https://git.io/v5rWJ
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16:03 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #124: fixed buggy item ui (master...master) https://git.io/v5rWJ
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16:03 < 18VAB5H1N> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v5rWI
16:03 < 18VAB5H1N> OpenApoc/master a69059f Istrebitel: fixed buggy item ui...
16:03 < 18VAB5H1N> OpenApoc/master 3abc566 Istrebitel: Merge pull request #124 from Istrebitel/master...
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06:56 < kkmic> Hey JonnyH
06:57 < kkmic> Where is the config dir? I think I might have an old config that is messing things up
07:49 <@JonnyH> On linux? ~/.local/share/OpenApoc
07:50 <@JonnyH> Any other issues, I'll be back tomorrow and can check irc logs if you mention them here...
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08:15 < kkmic> The config was to blame
08:15 < kkmic> Now it starts
08:15 < kkmic> Got a segfault though :)
08:16 < kkmic> When starting a new game
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08:17 <@pmprog> Is there a stack trace or log file produced?
08:18 < kkmic> No, because I ran it again in a debugger to get a stack trace, and it runs just fine now... and this obviously has overwritten the log
08:18 < kkmic> Must have been a one time hick-up
08:19 <@pmprog> At least you're running now :)
08:19 < kkmic> Yep
08:19  * kkmic is happy
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09:38 <@Istrebitel> actually
09:38 <@Istrebitel> this segfault thing is a recurrent thing
09:38 <@Istrebitel> iirc game attempts to configure something on first run and this kills it
09:38 <@Istrebitel> we should figure this out someday
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12:59 < kkmic> First run only? Then if you guys know how to reproduce it, it is worth to try and get a stack trace of the thing?
16:13 <@Istrebitel> well, yes, right now my time is limited and I'm only implementing battlescape features and fixing bugs related to them
16:13 <@Istrebitel> and noone else really has time to work on it. pmprog said he'll return, maybe he'll look into it
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17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: I was going to make the config 'local' by default - it makes more sense for 'dev' releases :P
17:01 <@Istrebitel> erm what does that mean?
17:01 <@Istrebitel> local config?
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> IT isntead of c:\users\whatever\ or ~/.local it'll just be $(PWD)
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> for the config files
17:01 <@Istrebitel> you mean put them in the folder with the exe?
17:01 <@JonnyH`Work> yup, instead of a shared global location
17:02 <@Istrebitel> fine by me
17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll hopefully do that this evening or tomorrow
17:03 <@Istrebitel> btw, we are hopefully ready for release. there was one final ctitical bug to fix and I've fixed it
17:03 <@JonnyH`Work> and do blog posts/'release' stuff this weekend
17:03 <@Istrebitel> nice
17:04 <@Istrebitel> I want to ask you one more thing. If you still have little time to spend on the project, maybe you could at least do what you did for me - bring new people in. Could you regurarily scout the forums/irc/facebook and pick people who are showing interest and get them started, like you helped me?
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Sure, TBH that's probably easier
17:14 <@JonnyH`Work> as the problem I have is more I don't have large chunks of time - Q&A on irc during work is fine
17:15 <@JonnyH`Work> but actually spending hours on a real development task is more difficult :P
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19:13 < Solbu> Watching the new video update. Looks promissing.  :-)
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel does good work :D
19:14 < SupSuper> ohhhhh new video? where where?
19:14 <@JonnyH`Work> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxdOvvrxBk4
19:15 < SupSuper> wow, 30 minutes
19:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Not watched it myself yet :P
19:17 < SupSuper> i'll be sure to repost it
19:18 <@JonnyH`Work> Hope to have a couple more fixes this weekend then do a 0.1 "skirmish mode" release
19:18 < Solbu> «That's all for what doesn't work» .. hehe..
19:20 < SupSuper> i'm shocked if my stuff still works :P
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22:04 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH opened pull request #125: Add a "Portable" config mode (master...WIP/local-config) https://git.io/v56Ya
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22:05 <@JonnyH`Work> ^^ Feel free to comment before I merge :)
22:06 <@JonnyH`Work> Now we're actually starting to get somewhere near-useful I'm probably going to try to stop myself just insta-merging stuff
22:06 <@JonnyH`Work> hopefully that'll give people a chance to review my crap, maybe improve the quality, and less likely to break other people's stuff
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00:59 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH opened pull request #126: Resurrect travis build, add 'lint' pass (master...WIP/travis-fixup) https://git.io/v56BK
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07:36 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #127: Loading and unloading ammunition (master...master) https://git.io/v56r2
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07:36 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v56ra
07:36 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2b3c616 Istrebitel: Loading and unloading ammunition
07:36 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 11daa0d Istrebitel: Merge pull request #127 from Istrebitel/master...
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17:47 <@JonnyH> hey
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17:48 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #125: Add a "Portable" config mode (master...WIP/local-config) https://git.io/v56Ya
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17:48 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v5iJk
17:48 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f956ddb Jonathan Hamilton: Resurrect travis build, add 'lint' pass...
17:48 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6fc31d1 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #126 from JonnyH/WIP/travis-fixup...
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17:51 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: pmprog: I was going to move the 'ownership' of the main github repo to a group
17:52 <@JonnyH> I need pmprog to 'transfer ownership' of the current one first (as that will keep any 'forked-from' links and automatically forward pmprog/OpenApoc to the new group one)
17:53 <@JonnyH> then I can add the builders (travis, appveyor, lint) on pull requests automatically
18:01 < SupSuper> JonnyH: ever considered having an openapoc discord? ;)
18:02 <@JonnyH> what advantage would that give?
18:02 <@JonnyH> I'm paranoid about splitting a (tiny) community...
18:02 < SupSuper> chatlogs, more than 2 people on at any one time
18:03 <@JonnyH> as I feel those that went off onto slack kinda faded away as I'm never on that
18:03 < SupSuper> fair enough, i just got no way to direct people to you :p well i got someone on discord wondering if the openapoc readme is up to date
18:03 < SupSuper> as far as compiling and setting up and etc
18:04 <@JonnyH> should be?
18:04 <@JonnyH> I have discord on a few machines, but it's a PITA to use at work/on the go
18:05 < SupSuper> alright
18:05 <@JonnyH> so it'll likely always be second to me...
18:05 <@JonnyH> Like now the app won't even open on my work laptop -_-
18:05 < SupSuper> funny it's much easier for me to run discord at work than irc
18:06 <@JonnyH> I have irc everywhere, I normally work in a stack of terminals, so it's already "there" for me :)
18:06 <@JonnyH> and having a forwarder on a server means I get persistent state over all my devices (IIRC that was one of the 'advantages' of discord over irc)
18:06 < SupSuper> i guess openapoc just hasn't hit that critical mass where everytime there's an update people post about it everywhere, so people always think it's "dead"
18:07 < SupSuper> and i have to track down facebooks and youtubes to prove them otherwise
18:07 <@JonnyH> Yeah, that's one reason why I tried to get an 'openapoc' channel, and an 'openapoc' github
18:07 <@JonnyH> rather than split over ~3 personal accounts
18:07 < SupSuper> should probably get an 'openapoc' youtube too
18:07 <@JonnyH> but for some reason I literally _couldn't_ add Istrebitel to that as a member... which made it pretty useless
18:07 <@JonnyH> no idea why, maybe a google bug? :P
18:08 < SupSuper> "luckily" i never have to share because none of the other devs want to do marketing :P
18:08 <@JonnyH> and I want to move to a more 'PR'-driven dev model
18:08 <@JonnyH> as I want to stop myself changing stuff "for the sake of it" - if I can't describe the advantages of a set of changes in a PR on github, then it shouldn't be merged :P
18:09 <@JonnyH> I feel just working on master all the time makes for a flow that encourages that for me....
18:09 < SupSuper> interesting
18:09 < SupSuper> well you already do everything in PRs :p
18:09 <@JonnyH> And having the builders pass/fail on a PR makes it obvious if there's issues, and then 'master' should *always* build at least...
18:10 <@JonnyH> I mean instead of just insta-merging them, actually leave it open for comments from you guys to point out my mistakes :P
18:11 <@JonnyH> and stuff like accumulated clang-format changes can be noticed immediately by the 'lint' builder I setup yesterday
18:11 < SupSuper> also how feasible is it to asset swap at this point
18:11 <@JonnyH> 'asset swap'?
18:11 < SupSuper> make new assets to replace vanilla
18:11 <@JonnyH> You can already replace the image files it uses due to the fs overlay stuff physfs uses
18:12 < SupSuper> alright
18:12 < SupSuper> seems apoc encourages artists a lot more given how ugly it looks :p
18:12 <@JonnyH> It's one of these thing I tested wwaaayyyy back and just assume it still works though :P
18:14 <@JonnyH> IE it'll check "data/xcom3/ufodata/file.pck" before searching the cd for "xcom3/ufodata/file.pck"
18:15 <@JonnyH> Currently if you want to replace a single images in a pck you'll have to do an xml mod though..
18:16 <@JonnyH> So anyway, going foward if you see any open PRs from me, feel free to pick them apart and be as abusive as you like about my lack of ability to not change crap for the sake of changing crap :P
18:24 <@JonnyH> so somehow discord has managed to uninstall itself from my laptop...
18:24 <@JonnyH> Everything is there, except discord.exe... which is why it no longer runs?
18:27 < SupSuper> clearly it sensed hate
18:27 <@JonnyH> I guess it tried to update itself and failed? Who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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19:08 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH opened pull request #128: GCC build fix (master...WIP/stateref-nullptr-assignment) https://git.io/v5iII
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19:08 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #128: GCC build fix (master...WIP/stateref-nullptr-assignment) https://git.io/v5iII
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13:04 <@pmprog> I've created a new org for OpenApoc. If I just transfer my repo to that org, will everyone's fork still work?
13:04 <@pmprog> Or do I need to wait until everything is merged?
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15:12 <@JonnyH> pmprog: I /believe/ everyone's fork should work
15:12 <@JonnyH> and magically redirect any links that go to pmprog/OpenApoc to the new group
15:13 <@JonnyH> that's why "changing ownership" is better than just pushing the current state as a new repo, as that would lost all those links
15:13 < SupSuper> what's this i hear about magic
15:13 <@JonnyH> Oh, I created an 'OpenApoc' group the other day - I guess you didn't see the invite before creating 'OpenApocalypse' :P
15:13 <@JonnyH> Not sure if one name is better than the other - I'll just delete whichever we don't want
15:14 < SupSuper> i just accept everything that comes into my email, how can you not trust the internet!
15:14 <@JonnyH> it's not as if someone would /lie/ on the internet, right?
15:14 <@pmprog> Hi JonnyH. Okay. No, fraid I didn't see the invite until after
15:14 <@pmprog> Which one should we use?
15:16 <@JonnyH> I kinda prefer OpenApoc/OpenApoc
15:16 <@JonnyH> less to remember :P
15:17 <@pmprog> OpenApocalypse is no more
15:17 <@JonnyH> Right, in the settings of pmprog/OpenApoc at the bottom there should be a 'transfer ownership' button?
15:18 <@JonnyH> right above "Delete this repository"...
15:18 <@JonnyH> CAREFUL NOW
15:18 <@pmprog> You want me to Delete this repository... Gotcha!
15:18 < SupSuper> i mean, jonnyh has a clone right? :D
15:19 <@JonnyH> Yeah, but the whole reason to transfer is it keeps all the upstream "forked from" links etc.
15:19 <@JonnyH> I've added me, pmprog, SupSuper and Istrebitel as owners of the group...
15:19 <@pmprog> Sounds good to me
15:20 <@JonnyH> I think that means you can do anything - include invite new people?
15:20 <@pmprog> I've also set the profile pic to the logo
15:21 <@JonnyH> looks good :)
15:21 <@JonnyH> I see the new pic in the settings, but the little logo is still the old github-generated one...
15:21 <@JonnyH> Maybe it needs to be signed off first or something?
15:22 <@JonnyH> or just cached somewere and it'll make it's way there soon
15:22 <@JonnyH> ...just as I say that it changes :
15:22 <@JonnyH> Right, now to change links on openapoc.org and in the readme?
15:22 <@pmprog> No, you just need Ctrl+F5
15:22 <@pmprog> the image will be cached
15:23 <@JonnyH> I also want to setup the travis/appveyor builds to automatically tag PRs as passed/failed
15:23 <@pmprog> Pffft, no idea with openapoc.org... It's outside of my control... just like everything else now... *sniff* *sniff*
15:24 <@JonnyH> You gotta let your kids fly the nest at some point :P
15:24 <@JonnyH> But a lot of the web stuff is opaque to me too...
15:25 <@pmprog> Yeah, I guess. Shame I couldn't have kept better involved. C'est la vie
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15:27 <@JonnyH> ....I'm on the admin page of openapoc.org
15:27 <@JonnyH> and I have no idea how anything works....
15:30 <@JonnyH> found the top-corner link...
15:36 <@JonnyH> I've gotta run for a bit
15:37 <@JonnyH> if there are other links (readme.md, forums) I'll have a look later
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15:40 <@pmprog> Yep, I've got to nip away too. back later
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12:12 < Solbu> Regarding the need for the cd iso image. Is it the iso that is needed or the data from it?
13:54 <@Istrebitel> Data from it
13:54 <@Istrebitel> it will work with a folder that contains data as well
13:54 <@Istrebitel> iso is just an easier option and the default we use
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15:17 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH opened pull request #130: Relicense non-library (game/* tools/* and tests/*) under GPL3+ (master...WIP/relicense-non-library-code) https://git.io/v5XoL
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18:40 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #131: More fixes and improvements for alpha release (master...master) https://git.io/v51vW
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18:40 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/v51v4
18:40 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 03e3bd1 Istrebitel: Fixes and improvements...
18:40 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d141faa Istrebitel: further fixes and features...
18:40 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 857d24d Istrebitel: fine-tuned alien cries
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18:42 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: blerg, that failed on my new linux build...
18:43 <@JonnyH> Going forward, if you do a PR first, then let the builds pass first :P
18:43 < Istrebitel> erm?
18:43 <@JonnyH> Oh, lint stuff....
18:43 < Istrebitel> oh... well I thought since travis is no use there's no use waiting
18:43 < Istrebitel> what's PR?
18:43 <@JonnyH> Pull Request
18:43 <@JonnyH> IE push if to your fork on a branch
18:44 <@JonnyH> then open a pull-request on the github website
18:44 < Istrebitel> and where do I see the builds?
18:44 < Istrebitel> I just wanted to get that in time for alpha release, and everything added was pretty simple... guess I was wrong
18:44 < Istrebitel> so what's the bug/
18:44 < Istrebitel> ?
18:45 <@JonnyH> It's lint - format stuff
18:45 <@JonnyH> it checks the whole file, so not *just* your cahnges
18:45 <@JonnyH> so it the file wasn't already clang-format clean it would blame you :P
18:45 < Istrebitel> ah
18:45 < Istrebitel> maybe I forgot clang format
18:45 < Istrebitel> yes
18:46 < Istrebitel> so where do I look for builds now?
18:46 <@JonnyH> new PRs on the github integrate with travis - it actually shows the status of the build on the "pull requests" page on github
18:46 <@JonnyH> or https://travis-ci.org/OpenApoc/OpenApoc for current builds
18:46 < Istrebitel> ok should I do a PR now with format stuff?
18:46 <@JonnyH> I've reduced the linux builds to gcc, clang and "lint"
18:47 <@JonnyH> "lint" being the one that does clang-format - it runs the ./tools/lint.sh script
18:47 <@JonnyH> that checks newly added files against clang-format
18:47 <@JonnyH> (If you install the Linux Subsystem for Windows, and clang-format-4.0, it actually works on windows too :)
18:47 < Istrebitel> I see
18:47 < Istrebitel> so should I do a new PR with clang format now?
18:47 <@JonnyH> it outputs the diff of what it thinks should change too, so you could use that as a reference if you can't run
18:48 < Istrebitel> I can run I just forget...
18:48 <@JonnyH> I'll do a PR now that reformats all the currently not quite right files
18:48 < Istrebitel> I already pushed a new commit
18:48 <@JonnyH> then from then on do PRs, check the lint passes before merging
18:48 < Istrebitel> with clang ofrmat
18:48 < Istrebitel> changes
18:49 < Istrebitel> you can PR from my repo, that would be better as there would be no merge conflicts later
18:49 <@JonnyH> One "problem" with PRs is you need to use a new branch for each one
18:49 <@JonnyH> then delete it once it's merged
18:50 <@JonnyH> as pushing to the same branch "updates" the PR instead of creating a new one
18:50 < Istrebitel> you can re-run the build then?
18:50 < Istrebitel> manually?
18:50 <@JonnyH> (which makes sense if you want to update a PR, like fix the build/notice an error)
18:50 <@JonnyH> It'll rebuild every new PR or new push automatically?
18:50 < Istrebitel> there's a restart button?
18:50 < Istrebitel> on the page you gave me
18:50 <@JonnyH> but only on OpenApoc/OpenApoc - not your fork
18:50 < Istrebitel> on the right of the build
18:50 < Istrebitel> hmm
18:50 < Istrebitel> okay I have to go now urgently
18:50 <@JonnyH> yeah, but it'll just look at the head of openapoc/openapoc again - with doesn't have your clang-format fix pushed yet :P
18:51 <@JonnyH> no problem, I'll sort it out myself
18:51 < Istrebitel> I will read your replies tomorrow
18:51 <@JonnyH> just going forward for new changes, prefer PRs then merge - instead of pushing directly to master
18:51 < Istrebitel> if you can then do a PR from my repo so that it takes my changes so no problems down the line
18:51 < Istrebitel> well I do PRs
18:51 < Istrebitel> and merge
18:51 < Istrebitel> because pushing direclty doesn't work in git ui
18:51 <@JonnyH> I don't think I can take PRs from your repository...
18:51 < Istrebitel> hmm? you can't?
18:51 <@JonnyH> but I'll take your changes and push a PR via my fork, which I think is "the same thing" :P
18:52 < Istrebitel> ok
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18:56 <@JonnyH> hey pmprog
18:59 <@pmprog> Hi JonnyH, how's it going?
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18:59 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH opened pull request #132: Pr/clang format fixes (master...PR/clang-format-fixes) https://git.io/v51UT
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18:59 <@JonnyH> alright, still trying to get the builds etc. working with the new repo name :)
18:59 <@JonnyH> made a few changes to it while I was at it (like adding a lint pass) - which naturally makes it more complex :P
19:00 <@pmprog> Pfft, all that stuff confused the crap out of me in the first place
19:01 <@pmprog> TBH, most of the stuff since you joined OpenApoc confuses me
19:01 <@JonnyH> thanks... I guess ?
19:01 <@JonnyH> I was trying to simplify it a bit
19:01 <@JonnyH> as it wasn't useful to anyone but me really
19:01 <@pmprog> I know, I guess I only really know basic C++
19:02 <@JonnyH> So now, if you do a pull request against openapoc on github
19:02 <@pmprog> I don't know all the "new" features
19:02 <@JonnyH> it'll run the builds, and give you a little tick/cross if you broke the linux build :P
19:02 <@pmprog> Okay, I've got to head downstairs, but I'll be back on my laptop shortly hopefully
19:02 <@JonnyH> not really been doing any "code" - Istrebitel just popped in with some new fixes though
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19:03 <@JonnyH> e.g. https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/pull/132
19:03 <@JonnyH> you can see travis on the "Pending checks" stuff :)
19:03 <@JonnyH> so you can 'test' linux builds without even leaving github
19:07 <@JonnyH> Also, if you get the odd 5 minutes to do "code review" of any PRs I do
19:07 <@JonnyH> that would be awsome - if you point out stuff that doesn't make sense to you it'll be handy, as that means it's probably needlessly confusing :P
19:08 <@JonnyH> also might help keep you "in the loop" without having to checkout/pull/build/watch the build fail/figure out what has been changes/be 3 hours later and don't have time
19:17 <@JonnyH> Goddamn it of course ubuntu has a crazy version of clang-format that doesn't match the release...
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19:20 <@JonnyH> I mean FFS this is ridiculous...
19:23 <@JonnyH> that might complete kill my idea of a lint pass, if you can't even trust the version string of clang-format...
19:30 < SupSuper> JonnyH thanks for reminding me to unwatch openapoc :p
19:31 <@JonnyH> no problem :P
19:31 <@JonnyH> does "watching" ping you for every pr comment or something?
19:31 < SupSuper> yup
19:32 <@JonnyH> blerg, that sucks :P
19:32 < SupSuper> i figure you'll ping me specifically if you need my attention
19:32 <@JonnyH> isn't there a more usefull, less intrusive option?
19:32 <@JonnyH> like "Actual commits only"?
19:32 < SupSuper> i actually thought i had unwatched it but maybe the move reset it
19:33 < SupSuper> https://i.imgur.com/rrOfKbd.png
19:33 <@JonnyH> ...so "watching" is pretty useless in anything but a dead project then? :P
19:33 < SupSuper> so i'll still be notified if you comment on anything of mine, which sounds good enough
19:34 < SupSuper> well for stuff like OpenXcom i like keeping an eye on everything that goes on
19:34 < SupSuper> but i'm not that involved in OpenApoc
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19:35 < pmprog_laptop> Hiya, back
19:35 < pmprog_laptop> Sorry was a bit longer than expected
19:35 <@JonnyH> this clang-format-4.0.1 not matching clang-format-4.0.1 thing is _really_ annoying me...
19:36 < pmprog_laptop> Eh what?
19:36 <@JonnyH> I have the upstream version of clang-format installed, version 4.0.1
19:36 <@JonnyH> ubuntu's magic version, that claims to be 4.0.1, has random patches and backports on top that changes the behaviour
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19:37 <@pmprog_laptop> Sounds a bit dumb
19:37 <@JonnyH> https://travis-ci.org/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/jobs/274309851#L728
19:38 <@JonnyH> means my lint pass fails with all that crap :(
19:38 <@JonnyH> making it 100% useless if nobody can ever _quite_ match the expected output
19:38 <@pmprog_laptop> lol
19:41 <@JonnyH> ....though I'll just check it's actually running the expected version before giivng up....
19:41 <@JonnyH> this could all be my questionable bash skills :P
19:44 <@Istrebitel> is everything well with the code I PRed?
19:44 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: Probably. But I'm still fighting with the build system to realise it's ok :P
19:45 <@JonnyH> oh hey would you look at that my bash skills *are* to blame :P
19:45 <@JonnyH> it's install clang-format-4.0...then using clang-format - which defaults to a different verison
19:45 <@JonnyH> Rant over :P
19:50 <@JonnyH> Right, so the "one true version" of clang-format is 4.0.1
20:05 <@pmprog_laptop> Glad you got it sorted :)
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21:29 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #122: Format and clean up README (master...master) https://git.io/v5180
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21:30 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #132: Pr/clang format fixes (master...PR/clang-format-fixes) https://git.io/v51UT
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08:27 < kkmic> Hey Istrebitel
08:27 < kkmic> What's cooking?
08:28 <@Istrebitel> Battlescape will be feature complete soon
08:28  * kkmic searches for his jaw on the floor
08:28 <@Istrebitel> only thing left is to re-work AI to be more like vanilla, and re-work the way we draw to fix all visual glitches
08:28 <@Istrebitel> base defenses turned out to be easier than I though, hope to get them working by tomorrow
08:30 <@Istrebitel> yeah and music
08:30 < kkmic> :)
08:30 < kkmic> Nice
08:30 < kkmic> You've been busy
08:30 <@Istrebitel> but it's not like a feature that blocks the game from being completable
08:31 < kkmic> Well, it's still a long way to go, but these are great news
08:32 <@Istrebitel> right now I'm aiming at having a game that you can play through and complete and it should feel like vanilla in all important aspects. things like ground vehicles, illegal vehicle assaults and other orgs raiding other orgs - that can be done later
08:32 <@Istrebitel> a lot of effort and not many people really care about those things
08:32 <@Istrebitel> same with like moving agents by tube
08:32 < kkmic> This may sound strange, but may I ask if you like the game? Not talking about the re-implementation, but about the original, as a whole
08:32 <@Istrebitel> we'll do it when game is playable
08:33 <@Istrebitel> yes I do, but I feel it's too anti-climatic. It's not enjoyable past teleporters and toxin c as they break the game in battlescape, same as retaliators+ break the game in cityscape
08:34 <@Istrebitel> something has to be done (as a mod) to the endgame balance, otherwise the game is over when you kill first alien building really (and destroy every UFO in their city)
08:34 <@Istrebitel> as it is the game is only enjoyable up to that point
08:34 < kkmic> A simple yes/no would have sufficed :)
08:35 < kkmic> I'm glad, as love yields better results than ambition :)
08:35 < kkmic> Thanks for working on it, it deserves a modern engine
08:35 <@Istrebitel> like, in X-Com 1, even in endgame, even if you disable the unbalanceed blaster launchersm you can die oneshot from heavy plasma in best armor (with small chance ofc), and mutons and ethereals still take several soldiers to take down one turn
08:36 <@Istrebitel> it's never safe and never broken
08:36 < kkmic> Yep, true
08:36 <@Istrebitel> here, strongest enemy dies to toxin C autofire before he can fire a shot
08:36 < kkmic> Maybe it's like that because Apoc was a bit rushed, and a lot of things got cut and this probably wrecked the game balance
08:37 <@Istrebitel> not to mention soldier with 1 shield 3 teleporters in invntory is invincible in RT
08:37 <@Istrebitel> yeah, a lot has to be reworked for the game to shine but it's doable, all the mechanics are there
08:39 <@Istrebitel> and a lot can be done with mods too
08:40 <@Istrebitel> even though right now it's hard to actually do mods because we need to create good editors for that - like, its not feasible to make maps in XML, and original editor for vanilla is very bad and clunky. so until we also code and release editors for the game, modding will be problematic
08:41 <@Istrebitel> not to mention we need to externalise from code into xml a lot more, like for example things like AI weights for different actions, or time it takes for hazard (smoke fire) to spread, or time it takes for unit to animate one frame, or  TU it takes to use a medikit
08:42 <@Istrebitel> things that were hardcoded in the vanilla and we hardocded them here too,but for modders to be able to mod without writing code, it needs to be taken out into files
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09:24 < kkmic> Yeah, OXC got through similar troubles too
09:24 < kkmic> Hardcoded stuff that had to be un-harcoded
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19:27 < pmprog_laptop> Well, I can't get TortoiseGit to work with Github on my laptop any more :(
19:27 <@JonnyH> :(
19:27 <@JonnyH> Anyway, I've got an all-hands meeting in 1.5 hours
19:27 <@JonnyH> I'll let you know after if I still have a job :P
19:28 <@SupSuper> you do, openapoc :P
19:28 <@JonnyH> I mean a /paying/ job
19:28 < pmprog_laptop> Good luck bud
19:29 <@JonnyH> (Well, I kinda already know what's going on, but it's not good news for many people here -_-)
19:29 < pmprog_laptop> :-(
19:43 < pmprog_laptop> JonnyH, is it worth moving some of those OpenApoc dependancies from your profile into the Org?
19:44 <@JonnyH> Probably...
19:45 <@JonnyH> and clone the few ones still pointnt externally?
19:45 <@JonnyH> lodepng, pugixml and tinyformat
19:45 <@JonnyH> in case they disappear - which was the reason I did the others...
19:45 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, could do
19:45 <@JonnyH> Maybe later today I'll take a look
19:45 < pmprog_laptop> Though you had a thing about cloning repos saying if the original gets patched, we'd be left with an unpatched version
19:46 <@JonnyH> submodules are still specific-revision linked
19:46 <@JonnyH> so even if they updated upstream we'd have to update the submodule link
19:46 <@SupSuper> can't you link to a branch?
19:47 <@JonnyH> don't think so...
19:48 <@JonnyH> even then not sure it'd be a great idea, unless the branch was guaranteed stable :P
19:48 < pmprog_laptop> I guess it'd be handy to see all the related repos together under the same collection, but it's not a priority
19:49 < pmprog_laptop> I've just cloned using https rather than ssh now, although I'll need to try pushing at some point, so I might make a tiny change and try a push to see if it works
19:49 <@JonnyH> do a pr :P
19:49 <@SupSuper> fix a typo
19:50 <@JonnyH> fix all the bugs and missing features!
19:50 <@SupSuper> in my experience git over https works a lot better than git over ssh
19:50 <@JonnyH> TBH you could do the modules moving
19:50 <@JonnyH> no need to keep the 'forked from' links :P
19:50 <@SupSuper> specially with all the fancy 2-factor auths and credential thingies
19:50 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: you're the only one using 2fa :P
19:51 < pmprog_laptop> How does it do authentification via https?
19:51 <@SupSuper> what if someone hacks my repos!!!
19:51 <@JonnyH> I think when you try to push git can do http authentication
19:51 <@JonnyH> so not ssh key, but username/password
19:51 <@SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: standard login via https://github.com/Microsoft/Git-Credential-Manager-for-Windows
19:52 <@SupSuper> it should be part of the latest git
19:52 <@JonnyH> IIRC it just re-uses the .netrc support for key/token storage
19:52 <@JonnyH> and can send that in http headers
19:53 <@JonnyH> like I have a ~/.gitcookies file with "hostname token" entries for auth
19:53 < pmprog_laptop> Well, I'll have to wait until it's finished building and give it a whirl
20:07 < pmprog_laptop> This build is taking foooorrrreeevvveeeerrrrr...
20:08 <@JonnyH> on linux install ccache :P
20:08 < pmprog_laptop> I'm on Windows these days
20:08 <@JonnyH> and set CMAKE_C_COMPILER to "ccache gcc" and CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER to "ccache g++"
20:08 <@JonnyH> Oh, you're SOL.
20:08 <@JonnyH> msvc is even slower than gcc
20:09 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, but I can play Street Fighter IV and Starcraft (well, if I reinstall it)
20:09 <@JonnyH> damn, burn :(
20:10 < pmprog_laptop> It's a shame Linux doesn't get the same love for PC games, otherwise I'd have stuck to Linux
20:10 <@JonnyH> yeah, even if it's "ported" to linux
20:10 <@JonnyH> at best it's often a compatibility wrapper layer, and performance sucks
20:11 < pmprog_laptop> I tried to play Starcraft via Wine once, and the graphics were all messed up. Just awful
20:11 <@JonnyH> for starcraft a vm would be better :P
20:12 < pmprog_laptop> Well, I did wonder about trying that, but I couldn't get my VM to properly support DirectX
20:12 < pmprog_laptop> So I now have my desktop running Windows with a Linux vm
20:12 < pmprog_laptop> So I'm not totally away from Linux, but it's now the "secondary" system
20:13 <@JonnyH> yeah, for a gamer linux wouldn't be the first choice right now
20:13 <@JonnyH> WSL is kinda cool, but the lots-of-little-file performance is still awful
20:13 <@JonnyH> which sucks for dev, as you tend to be doing stuff like that
20:13 < pmprog_laptop> I must admit, it's getting there, especially with Steam's Linux
20:13 <@JonnyH> 'git status' taking 10+ seconds :'(
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> Also, I still haven't found a language/framework I like better than .NET at the minute. Especially for quick tool dev.
20:14 < pmprog_laptop> I suppose part of that is the amount I use .NET (day job and second job)
20:15 <@JonnyH> yeah, managed languages like that are cool
20:15 <@JonnyH> it's a bit better for larger apps than "scripts on steroids" like python too
20:15 < pmprog_laptop> Mono's implementation of WinForms is a bit naff, and MonoDevelop is a bit horrible
20:15 <@JonnyH> TBH winforms sucks on non-windows platforms
20:15 <@JonnyH> UIs nearly always have to be platform-specific as there's different guidelines & user expectation
20:16 < pmprog_laptop> Yep, but I've yet to find a nice cross-platform GUI that works on Mono and Windows
20:16 < pmprog_laptop> (There are several though)
20:16 <@JonnyH> cross-platform GUIs are always a crutch :P
20:16 <@JonnyH> it'll never work well everywhere
20:16 < pmprog_laptop> Eto and Avalonia looked pretty nice, but I've struggled to get my head around them... Probably nothing extra time wouldn't sort, but it's committing that time
20:16 <@JonnyH> probably the 'best' is qt, but even that has platform-specific code if you want to integrate it like a "native" app, just less
20:17 < pmprog_laptop> I must admit, I do like QtCreator...
20:17 < pmprog_laptop> But my co-workers would have no chance with C++
20:17 < pmprog_laptop> They barely manage with VB.NET :(
20:17 <@JonnyH> :P
20:18 <@JonnyH> It's all trade-offs...
20:18 <@JonnyH> and experience, I don't think a "Dev who understands C++" means they're magically a better person :P
20:18 <@JonnyH> put me in front of vb.net and you'll get some awful code ;)
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> Oh no, I don't mean it like that. TBH, I love VB.NET, kinda prefer it over C#, but I can code both
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> What I mean is that Qt would be a great cross platform, but as it's a C++ lib, it comes with that requirement
20:22 <@JonnyH> they're pushing their js integration, and there's stuff like python bindings too
20:22 <@JonnyH> .net just isn't interesting to anyone non-MS
20:22 <@JonnyH> they're trying with the core stuff, but it's a long road
20:22 < pmprog_laptop> I really just don't like javascript or whatever they're trying to rebrand it as
20:23 <@JonnyH> there'll always be a "primary platform", and if you're not on it you'll get breakage/missing features/whatever
20:23 < pmprog_laptop> python I'm not struck on either. Why on earth would you use indentation for code blocks
20:23 < pmprog_laptop> Esp when people use whitespace and tabs
20:23 <@JonnyH> I think you mean the international standard of 3.5 spaces
20:24 <@SupSuper> .NET is getting a lot of attention on games these days
20:24 <@JonnyH> Tabs are annoying as I can change the intent width without reflowing the code
20:24 <@SupSuper> because turns out nobody wants to iterate with c++ :p
20:24 <@JonnyH> core hotpaths will be native till the cows come home
20:24 <@JonnyH> but "most" logic in a game isn't the hot path :P
20:24 <@JonnyH> since day 1 there's been scripts and whatnot in games
20:25 <@SupSuper> pretty much
20:25 < pmprog_laptop> It bugs me that most libs you get for RaspberryPi projects are python :(
20:25 <@SupSuper> programming is dead, long live visual scripting *shudders*
20:25 < pmprog_laptop> lol
20:25 < pmprog_laptop> Sad but true
20:25 <@JonnyH> "With this, anyone can code! You don't have to be a developer!"
20:25 < pmprog_laptop> Isn't that the mantra of game making tools
20:25 <@JonnyH> but it turns out the language /syntax/ is one of the easiest parts of "programming" :P
20:25 < pmprog_laptop> Yet most of them seem to have a scripting language
20:25 <@SupSuper> yeah and that's why you never look at the source :p
20:26 <@SupSuper> but yeah it's a shame that .NET is such a mess, despite MS best efforts they can't go back. now there's .net fx / .net core / mono / etc etc
20:27 <@JonnyH> https://xkcd.com/927/
20:27 <@SupSuper> they're really bad at standardizing and cross-platform-ing :p
20:27 <@SupSuper> well it's more a bunch of standards proliferated while they were gone and now they need to support them all
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20:30 < pmprog_laptop> I really need to check out QtSharp, see how well it mashes .NET and Qt. I think I'd be onto a winner there
20:31 < pmprog_laptop> Though I find writing custom UI controls in Qt harder than .NET; .NET is just super easy (IMO)
20:31 <@JonnyH> no idea about qtsharp
20:31 <@JonnyH> "super easy" just means you already know how to do it :P
20:31 < pmprog_laptop> It's basically a .NET binding for Qt... But I guess you'd lose the UI designer
20:32 <@JonnyH> if you spend the last $YEARS working on qt you'll probably be saying that about .net
20:32 < pmprog_laptop> hehe, true, but it is rather simple, you inhert Control then just hook the Paint, Mouse Events and Keyboard events
20:32 < pmprog_laptop> Qt you do something similar, but to use it in the GUI designer, you need to build it as a seperate project and install it as an add-on!
20:33 < pmprog_laptop> Which to me, is a nonsensensical step
20:33 < pmprog_laptop> Well, maybe not nonsensensical, but an extra layer of work that shouldn't really be needed
20:34 <@SupSuper> JonnyH: WPF owns
20:34 < pmprog_laptop> but yes, I suppose there's a lot of things I find easier because of experience. I love .NET's reflection model
20:34 <@SupSuper> so like everything that owns it will never be heard of again
20:34 <@JonnyH> You just inherit QWidget and override paintEvent()
20:34 < pmprog_laptop> Ewwww
20:34 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Wasn't WPF *already* abandoned?
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> Re QWidget, yes, but it's not usable in the designer until it's installed as a plugin
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> and yes, WPF is dead
20:35 < pmprog_laptop> (basically)
20:35 <@JonnyH> Yeah, you need to create a QDesignerCustomWidgetInterface() that can create one and annotate all the properties
20:36 <@JonnyH> one of the more painful parts of "NO INTROSPECTION!" in c++
20:36 <@SupSuper> well there is a sorta WPF in mono/uwp but yeahhhhhhh
20:36 <@SupSuper> rip WPF too good for this world
20:36 <@JonnyH> Silverlight is going to be the next big thing! MS said so! No more native win32 apps! I'll better invest all my time in learning that!
20:37 <@JonnyH> if you want it to work forever, win32 winforms is still the only option
20:37 <@JonnyH> ~20 years later...
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20:37 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] pmprog pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v5Dwz
20:37 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 665ec78 pmprog: Test push with LICENSE mod :)
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20:38 <@JonnyH> pmprog_laptop: that's not a PR :P
20:38 <@SupSuper> JonnyH: to be fair MS just wanted what we all wanted
20:38 <@SupSuper> i'm sure they appreciate win32 as much as the rest of us
20:38 <@JonnyH> what happens if that license text change breaks the build? \s
20:38 <@SupSuper> but they can't afford to ditch their ecosystem like apple
20:38 < pmprog_laptop> I don't do pull requests. Amateurs like you do pull requests :-P
20:39 <@JonnyH> Us mere humans make mistakes
20:39 <@SupSuper> and it is pretty rare you need to drop down to win32 these days... even though it's always in there lurking in the dark
20:39 <@JonnyH> if there's an issue with your code, it's the c++ specfication that's wrong :P
20:39 <@SupSuper> and compared to js i'd take silverlight any day :P
20:39 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: js is an IR right? :P
20:40 <@JonnyH> nobody *actually* writes it anymore, like nobody writes asm
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> I write asm... Got a C64 ASM project kinda on the go :P
20:40 <@JonnyH> outside of lunatics
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> Oh, okay then. Carry on :P
20:40 <@SupSuper> IR?
20:41 <@JonnyH> Intermediate Representation
20:41 <@JonnyH> like a middle-language for a compiler
20:41 <@SupSuper> ah, i guess, but setting up transpilers and debugging middle-languages isn't very fun :p
20:41 <@SupSuper> typescript is pretty great though
20:41 < pmprog_laptop> I suppose kind of, now you have "TypeScript" and all the othe layers that "compile to js"
20:42 < pmprog_laptop> I must admit, I found it weird that there's a C compiler that compiles to JS/HTML5. At least I assume it's a C compiler, as FTL and several other games from HumbleBundle have been web playable
20:42 <@JonnyH> emscripten?
20:43 < pmprog_laptop> No idea
20:43 <@JonnyH> well, that's the clang->javscript, so C or C++
20:43 < pmprog_laptop> Thought it had something to do with LLVM or something, but dunno
20:43 <@JonnyH> Yeah, it's effectively a js backend for llvm
20:44 < pmprog_laptop> So does that mean libs like SDL are ported too? I don't really understand how that works
20:44 <@JonnyH> yeah, someone ported sdl and the like
20:45 < pmprog_laptop> makes sense I guess
20:45 <@Istrebitel> jonnyH, please look into the PR I created
20:45 <@Istrebitel> if you didn't yet
20:45 <@Istrebitel> I didn't finish merge as you requested
20:46 <@JonnyH> I don't mean "Don't merge it until I say OK"
20:46 <@SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: emscripten is everywhere
20:46 <@JonnyH> more "Don't merge it until travis green-checkbox appears" :)
20:46 <@SupSuper> archive.org has emulators of all old machines and games running in the browser
20:46 <@SupSuper> and yeah it basically compiles c into webasm
20:46 <@SupSuper> it's some weird shit
20:46 <@JonnyH> they did that with dosbox etc. too
20:47 <@JonnyH> so you can play (non-open)xcom in the browser
20:47 <@SupSuper> js: so bad i'd rather write in c and compile that!
20:47 <@JonnyH> I would be surprised if someone got openxcom working too :P
20:47 < pmprog_laptop> So, right, getting back to OpenApoc again. How am I supposed to do pull requests, because pmprog/OpenApoc autoredirects to OpenApoc. So I can't fork it or anything
20:47 <@JonnyH> You have to fork it again I guess?
20:47 <@SupSuper> JonnyH: there used to be an openxcom port, but site seems to dead now
20:47 <@SupSuper> guess i'll have to do it myself someday :P i think sdl1.2 is built into emscripten
20:47 <@JonnyH> Always push to branches, open a PR from that branch
20:47 <@JonnyH> then when it's merged you can delete the branch
20:48 <@JonnyH> *hopefully* you having had a repo of the same name doesn't ruin your account forever... if so github sucks :(
20:48 <@JonnyH> I didn't think of that, I just assumed it would be an issue... I may have been wrong
20:48 < pmprog_laptop> Bollocks, that means recloning and another two years rebuilding
20:49 <@JonnyH> fork it on github, add it as a remote locally
20:49 <@JonnyH> no need to delete the local build and start again
20:49 <@JonnyH> just push to "the new remote name" not origin
20:49 <@SupSuper> you can't PR from the same repo?
20:50 <@JonnyH> I assume you can from branches
20:50 <@JonnyH> but not tried...
20:50 <@JonnyH> so far if you go anywhere outside the 'norm' the github UI seems to explode horribly...
20:50 < pmprog_laptop> Why would you send a PR to a repo you own?
20:50 < pmprog_laptop> It wouldn't make sense - you own it, so you can change it
20:51 <@JonnyH> Review request? Allows comments on changes? Tags/Users/Issue links?
20:52 <@SupSuper> yeah we PR stuff at work
20:52 <@SupSuper> we don't use github though :p
20:52 <@JonnyH> Probably for the best...
20:52 <@JonnyH> At least it's free :P
20:52 < pmprog_laptop> I don't even know how to do a PR outside of Github... but then I'm the only developer on my repos usually
20:54 <@JonnyH> I'm trying to do this so *stop* me making wild breaking changes to random parts
20:54 < pmprog_laptop> I can't even see a method in TortoiseGit on sending a PR back to the repo
20:55 <@JonnyH> If I can't describe the benefits in a PR comment, I probably shouldn't be making the change :P
20:55 <@JonnyH> PRs are just github metadata associated with a branch
20:55 <@JonnyH> You update the branch, it updates the PR
20:55 <@JonnyH> so just create a new branch, push it to github
20:55 <@JonnyH> then there should be a button to make a PR from that branch
20:56 <@SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: a "pull request" is just a formalization of a branch merge
20:56 <@SupSuper> it's not a git thing so you won't see it in tortoisegit and the like
20:56 <@SupSuper> it'll be in github/gitlab/etc
20:56 < pmprog_laptop> ah, okay then
20:56 < pmprog_laptop> I've never use branches either :P
20:56 <@SupSuper> unless you use the github client *shudders*
20:57 < pmprog_laptop> again, being the only dev usually, you have "current code" and it's history. My main use is to easily sync my source on multiple machines
20:57 <@JonnyH> I tried the github client, it kept trying to push changes I never made...
20:57 <@JonnyH> PRs map better to 'feature branches' methodology
20:57 <@SupSuper> yeah i only got into this workflow because of work
20:57 <@SupSuper> because the bosses got fed up with people breaking master :P
20:57 < pmprog_laptop> I have the github client at *ahem* work... it was good ages ago, but they just keep bloating it
20:57 <@JonnyH> which is often a good idea with multiple people working on a project
20:57 <@SupSuper> even though nobody really understands git, they always call on me...
20:58 <@JonnyH> as "my head" may not be the same as "your head" - and trying pretend they are can hurt in the long way
20:58 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: I'm so sorry
20:58 < pmprog_laptop> Delete repo and reclone? :)
20:58 <@JonnyH> no idea :/
20:58 < pmprog_laptop> Wasn't there an xkcd about that too
20:58 <@SupSuper> obligatory https://xkcd.com/1597/
20:58 <@JonnyH> 'git push -f' # FUCK OTHER DEVS
20:59 <@JonnyH> brb meeting ;)
20:59 < pmprog_laptop> https://xkcd.com/1597/
20:59 < pmprog_laptop> :)
20:59 <@SupSuper> "If that doesn't fix it, git.txt contains the phone number of a friend of mine who understands git. Just wait through a few minutes of 'It's really pretty simple, just think of branches as...' and eventually you'll learn the commands that will fix everything."
20:59 < pmprog_laptop> Good luck JonnyH
20:59 <@SupSuper> it's me i'm that friend
20:59  * SupSuper salutes JonnyH 
20:59 < pmprog_laptop> lol
20:59 < pmprog_laptop> Change your phone number
21:00 <@SupSuper> and i never even liked git in the first place, it just kinda landed on my lap :p
21:00 < pmprog_laptop> I only got into it because of OpenXcom
21:00 < pmprog_laptop> After getting fed up of never knowing which computer or USB pen had the latest code of my project, I went to SVN first
21:01 < pmprog_laptop> Still have SVN in a few places
21:01 <@SupSuper> and openxcom only got into it because it was faster than SVN
21:02 < pmprog_laptop> I had somebody asking me about some old OpenXcom code a short while ago
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21:03 < pmprog_laptop> But I no longer have the fork I made, so the changes were gone
21:10 < pmprog_laptop> Right, bed time. Catch you next time
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21:32 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Simply think it as a directed acyclic graph of patches
21:40 <@SupSuper> i'm on to you
22:33 <@JonnyH> Wonder if there's any jobs for an experienced system software/GPU driver engineer around :P
22:33 <@SupSuper> that bad huh?
22:33 <@JonnyH> I can't work like this
22:33 <@JonnyH> especially after ~5 years, I *might* get my visa next month
22:34 <@JonnyH> but I've been "might be getting my visa next month" for ~3 years
22:35 <@SupSuper> that's the us for you
22:35 <@SupSuper> come back while you're still part of the european union! :p
22:35 <@JonnyH> my brother's probably trying to get an irish passport, with my dad being from there :P
22:36 <@JonnyH> I guess it might have been a mistake for him to specialise in "EU Law"
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15:35 <@JonnyH`Work> hey pmprog :)
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16:41 <@pmprog> Hiya JonnyH`Work. How did your meeting go?
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16:41 <@JonnyH`Work> As expected
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> I'd already been told what was going on... we're dropping one of the teams over here
16:42 <@pmprog> Not yours though?
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> not my team, we were explicitly told we need not worry...
16:42 <@pmprog> Glad to hear
16:42 <@JonnyH`Work> but I'm pretty sure they said that about the other guys last time too
16:43 <@pmprog> No harm in getting some feelers out there for the market, just in case
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> I literally cannot
16:44 <@JonnyH`Work> My visa is non-transferrable
16:44 <@pmprog> Your visa not just a work permit? actually tied to the company?
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> I have an ongoing petition for a transferrable visa...
16:45 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's been 'ongoing' for ~4 years now...
16:46 <@JonnyH`Work> and looks like this year I actually got through the lottery to be considered
16:46 <@pmprog> Well, if you put the feelers out, your potential next employer might sort you a new visa out for their company
16:46 <@JonnyH`Work> only to realise they screwed up my application...
16:46 <@JonnyH`Work> You can't even apply until next year
16:46 <@JonnyH`Work> and then there's a ~20% chance of getting though the lottery to even be considered
16:46 <@pmprog> Bah, imcompetents
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> they put me down as "Graduate/entry level"
16:47 <@pmprog> Wow, how to really screw up when you can't even spell :P
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> then said "Must have 7 years advanced in-field experience, degree, involved in intenational standard bodies
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> You know, "entry leven"
16:47 <@JonnyH`Work> ..level
16:48 <@pmprog> How odd
16:49 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, it seems like it's a pointless mistake, not some malicious thing from what I cans ee
16:50 <@JonnyH`Work> but it's still a gut-punch
16:50 <@JonnyH`Work> as my current visa expires after 5 years
16:50 <@JonnyH`Work> which is... 2 weeks from now
16:50 <@JonnyH`Work> and we can't renew that
16:50 <@pmprog> So what will happen then? Will you have to come back to the UK?
16:50 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah
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16:52 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH opened pull request #135: Disable the roundtrip serialisation comparison (master...WIP/disable_serialization_roundtrip_test) https://git.io/v5S31
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16:55 <@pmprog> How would that work with your team being still over in the states? will it matter?
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Well, we're kinda disparate
16:56 <@JonnyH`Work> we have 2 guys in the uk, 2 (1+me) here, and 2 in taiwan
16:58 <@pmprog> I hope you manage to get things sorted
16:59 <@JonnyH`Work> me too :/
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17:10 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v5SZJ
17:10 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d55b721 Jonathan Hamilton: Disable the roundtrip serialisation comparison...
17:10 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 612565a Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #135 from JonnyH/WIP/disable_serialization_roundtrip_test...
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17:16 <@JonnyH`Work> Huehue, I can push to other people's branches if they made a PR against openapoc with it
17:16  * JonnyH`Work goes mad with power
17:17 <@pmprog> lol
17:18 <@pmprog> I'm just getting to the point where I'm ready to try and get back into it again, and Istrebitel keeps throwing crazy videos out about how he's practically implemented everything :P
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> kinda same here :P
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> I go "I might have a look at X in a few days"... "Oh, he's done X"
17:18 <@Istrebitel> well I'm not implementing anything in city
17:18 <@Istrebitel> agents moving, missions initated from buttons in buildings, etc
17:18 <@Istrebitel> so you can take that, next logical step
17:18 <@JonnyH`Work> But currently "a few days" for me is "between a few days and the heat death of the universe"
17:19 <@pmprog> A few days for me is... urm...
17:20 <@pmprog> But I think I'm finally starting to get there
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> It *should* all build out of the box on master now
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> even on linux! 
17:20 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: I fixed up your stuff on linux and merged
17:21 <@pmprog> I must admit, I'm still curious on how Jonny(?) managed to split my project up into seperate libs. The forms (for example) needed all the event stuff from the framework
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> It didn't like a "static const int SIZE = 8;' in the header without an instantiation in a .cpp in debug mode
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> which is probably quite high on the "Weird problems you can't predict" list :P
17:21 <@JonnyH`Work> And for compile constants, constexpr is better than const
17:22 <@JonnyH`Work> as you can still cast const to non-const and modify, so the compiler can't 100% optimise it out all the time
17:39 <@pmprog> Okay, this might sound stupid, but using Github, how can I reset my copy of OpenApoc to the master repo without deleting and reforking?
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Add it as a remote
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> and use that remote to pull from
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> "git remote add openapoc ${NEW_URL}"
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> the you can 'git fetch openapoc'
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> 'git merge openapoc/master'
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> or whatever
17:42 <@pmprog> So I can't do it via github?
17:42 <@JonnyH`Work> no? All the remote stuff is purely local state
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> when you clone a git repo, all it does is create an empty repository, set the supplied url as the 'origin' remote, and fetch that
17:45 <@JonnyH`Work> you can change where 'origin' points at with 'git remote set-url origin ${NEW_URL}' too
17:46 <@pmprog> I've added it as a remote, did a fetch and merge, but my origin still shows my test push as the last commit
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> there's no "magic" in linking a repository to where it was originally cloned from, outside of the default 'origin' remote name
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> you might need to merge in 'openapoc/master' 
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> (if openapoc was the remote name)
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> "git pull" is a shortcut for "git fetch; git merge"
17:47 <@pmprog> Okay, sorted it
17:47 <@pmprog> cheers
17:48 <@pmprog> I don't like this whole not being the owner :P
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> :)
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> I kinda /much/ prefer not pushing directly upstream, I kinda always did that with branches in my own repo first
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> but now you "have to" do that, and open a PR to merge
17:51 <@pmprog> boo :)
17:52 <@pmprog> That said, need to try and understand the code before all that :P
18:09 <@Istrebitel> btw JonnyH, people demand the alpha release
18:09 <@Istrebitel> when I post new updates
18:09 <@Istrebitel> is it any time soon?
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> Probably :P
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I'll branch, tag, whatever, run some tests to make sure it's not _completely_ broken
18:09 <@JonnyH`Work> and make a link somewhere...
18:11 <@Istrebitel> okay if it's still not there, take my latest changes, I've finished base defense missions, well, I mean i've implemented them, maybe there's more stuff to do but for now they work
18:11 <@Istrebitel> and fixed some rare bugs
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> Right, I'll branch master now then
18:12 <@Istrebitel> should I do a PR?
18:12 <@JonnyH`Work> then you can continue doing whatever on master without worrying about breaking 0.1 before I get the release 'done'
18:13 <@JonnyH`Work> If you fixes you want in 0.1 that aren't in master yet, yes open a PR
18:15 <@Istrebitel> ok
18:15 <@Istrebitel> so I update from openapoc/openapoc now, yes?
18:15 <@JonnyH`Work> yup
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> rebase on openapoc/openapoc's master
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> well, branch from that when you have a new set of features to work on
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> do the work in the branch
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> push the branch to *your* github fork
18:16 <@JonnyH`Work> then open a PR against that branch on OpenApoc/OpenApoc in github's website
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18:16 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #136: base defense and fixes (master...master) https://git.io/v5S4p
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18:16 <@Istrebitel> do I have to run some command? or do I just choose to update from openapoc/openapoc in the gui?
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> github desktop UI you mean?
18:17 <@Istrebitel> should I update from openapoc/master?
18:17 <@Istrebitel> yes
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> It should update with the ui button
18:17 <@Istrebitel> I changed pmprog/master to openapoc/master in my gui's branch I update from
18:17 <@Istrebitel> so it now says "update from openapoc/master" in the top left
18:17 <@Istrebitel> basically on the button I clicked to update before
18:17 <@Istrebitel> it said "pmprog/master" there
18:17 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, that should pull in the latest version from the right place (openapoc/openapoc)
18:18 <@Istrebitel> ok
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> right, wait for that PR's travis checks tob e completed
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> if the pass, merge it
18:18 <@JonnyH`Work> if they fail, try to fix what failed, push that branch again, and it should updat ehte PR
18:18 <@Istrebitel> ok
18:19 <@Istrebitel> but I've ran clang format it should be fine?
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Possibly :P
18:19 <@Istrebitel> I mean unless I have some non-linux code
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> Make sure it's clang-format 4.0
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> and sometimes running it twice is needed
18:19 <@JonnyH`Work> as it does something like inserts an extra line, but doesn't format that properly in the same pass :P
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> and clang-format *has* to be the same version, which should be 4.0 (or 4.0.1, patch levels don't matter)
18:20 <@JonnyH`Work> but not 3.9 or 5.0 or whatever
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> https://travis-ci.org/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/jobs/275155348
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> lint failed - can you double check the clang-format version you're using?
18:22 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: ?
18:38 <@Istrebitel> where do I check that?
18:39 <@Istrebitel> LLVM 3.8.1
18:39 <@Istrebitel> that?
18:42 <@Istrebitel> ok installing llvm 4.0.0
18:46 <@Istrebitel> ok, redid it twice, pushed, let's see if its ok now
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> It's _really_ annoying there's changes in clang-format between versions
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> but lint is happy now :)
18:49 <@JonnyH`Work> https://travis-ci.org/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/jobs/275165135
18:50 <@JonnyH`Work> It's quite a bit faster than the builds, so you can see it on 'details' after only a minute or two
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19:03 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #136: base defense and fixes (master...master) https://git.io/v5S4p
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20:30 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] sfalexrog opened pull request #137: Cross-compilation [incomplete] (master...WIP/cross_compile) https://git.io/v5SPg
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22:46 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH opened pull request #138: Wip/portable appveyor (master...WIP/portable-appveyor) https://git.io/v5SpB
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00:36 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 25f4ab7 Jonathan Hamilton: Appveyor: Add portable.txt to more than just debug package
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16:54 <@JonnyH`Work> ayylmao https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/releases/tag/v0.1-rc2
16:55 <@JonnyH`Work> probably need to add a 'quick install instructions' (IE extract, copy cd.iso into data/)
16:55 <@JonnyH`Work> maybe a list of "stuff that actually works, and how to get to it" and "Stuff we know is broken, don't bother trying"
17:05 <@Istrebitel> I have a video for that
17:05 <@Istrebitel> Will film another one when you actually release with all the stuff that will be included there
17:05 <@Istrebitel> and as I posted on forums we need a bugtracker (but don't delay release for it)
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I've branched it, tagged the revision build came from
17:06 <@pmprog> Not use GitHub's issues system for bugs?
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> If I get time this evening I might make the "Path to a skirmish" faster
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> github issues work well enough for the small scale
17:06 <@JonnyH`Work> I'd be happy with that, until we prove we need something more fancy
17:07 <@JonnyH`Work> If you notice any *obvious bugs* try to fix them in a separate commit and let me know to cherry-pick to the 0.1 branch
17:08 <@Istrebitel> github issues?
17:08 <@Istrebitel> okay I'll read on that
17:41 <@JonnyH`Work> Bah, my phone died :(
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16:40 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: let me know if you've had enough of my dissenting controversial opinions :p
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19:28 <@Istrebitel> so, we have a release?
19:28 <@Istrebitel> this is it?
19:28 <@Istrebitel> https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/releases/tag/v0.1-rc2
19:28 <@Istrebitel> should this be posted on facebook etc?
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21:41 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: I was using that to try out the release process
21:42 <@JonnyH> If it works... mark it as final and start posting about it :)
21:42 <@JonnyH> but I've not had a chance to do more than check it boots
21:42 <@JonnyH> some /minimal/ amount of testing should probably be done to save embarresment :P
21:46 < SupSuper> make sure some /minimal/ instructions are in there :P
21:47 < SupSuper> i've noticed the cd.iso bit is lost in compiling instructions, might be worth splitting it into its own section so it's not missed
21:47 <@JonnyH> Maybe make the "missing cd.iso" message more obvious about a fix too?
21:47 <@JonnyH> Hopefully actually get to do some of this tomorrow
21:48 <@JonnyH> 'caus I ain't got no time today....
21:49 < SupSuper> oh no
21:50 < SupSuper> i kinda got a soft side for the message that upon complete program failure still has a "try anyway" option, just to give you that little bit of hope :p
21:54 <@JonnyH> (Abort) (Retry) (Fail)
21:55 <@JonnyH> Anyway, gotta run
21:55 <@JonnyH> laters
21:55 < SupSuper> cya
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06:16 < sfalexrog> hey everyone
06:17 < sfalexrog> so I've managed to build and run the android port, with a couple caveats
06:21 < sfalexrog> first, the last "stable" NDK is actually broken - it doesn't have fgetpos and fsetpos, which are required by libc++ (which, if I understand correctly, is going to be the one and only STL soon), so the port has to be built by either the previous version (r15b, which is not linked directly on the pages I've seen, but still lives on Google's servers) or the beta version (usual warnings apply)
06:22 < sfalexrog> and the beta version *still* requires some Boost patching, because apparently Android didn't have a truncate() call for 64-bit off_t until, uh, api 21?
06:24 < sfalexrog> second, the port would lock itself up in config().parseOptions() call
06:25 < sfalexrog> at first I thought it might have something to do with the way I've compiled Boost libraries (which is probably the most wrong way), but no, as it turns out, all calls to boost::program_options work just fine
06:26 < sfalexrog> but it turns out that setting the ConfigFileImpl::parsed flag to true is what actually locked the whole thing up
06:28 < sfalexrog> by the way, did I mention that for all this time I didn't have a working debugger? Because apparently shipping a working debugger is way too nice for Google
06:29 < sfalexrog> so my configfile is littered with LogInfos, and I get all the logs, until I set the variable to true
06:31 < sfalexrog> now that I think of it, maybe it's not safe to call LogInfo during option parsing? Maybe it depends on some configuration parsing being done/not done?
06:31 < sfalexrog> Still, weird stiff.
06:33 < sfalexrog> Anyway, I'll probably polish the thing up a bit and put it up for openapoc_android releases.
06:34 < sfalexrog> The port is not very playable without a mouse, which is to be expected, I guess - well, at least you can scroll around in cityscape and battlescape
06:34 < sfalexrog> and I guess I was wrong, the graphics performance seems fine even with debug build
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14:29 <@JonnyH`Work> hey
14:29 <@pmprog> hiya
14:31 <@JonnyH`Work> sfalexrog: maybe you're hitting something like this? https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/commit/95989972d5774624abcd76c11eeb87ae6d0eb790
14:31 <@JonnyH`Work> where if the Log* call setup failed it open the file (or some other error) it would error... and try to print another log message, possibly causing a deadlock and/or infinite loop?
14:32 <@JonnyH`Work> hows things pmprog?
14:32 <@pmprog> Shit, but thanks for asking
14:32 <@pmprog> How's things with you?
14:32 <@JonnyH`Work> I ended up getting dragged out yesterday so didn't no any of the stuff I said I was going to try -_-
14:32 <@JonnyH`Work> Shit, but thanks for asking :P
14:33 <@JonnyH`Work> By visa runs out in.. 3 days?
14:33 <@JonnyH`Work> then I can *stay* here, but not leave and come back
14:33 <@pmprog> But can you work there?
14:33 <@JonnyH`Work> any my employeer is falling down around my ears
14:33 <@JonnyH`Work> and I *literally* cannot look for another job
14:34 <@pmprog> Yeah, that's shit
14:34 <@JonnyH`Work> It's crazy, I've been here 5 years now, and they *still* haven't got anyhting sorted out
14:35 <@JonnyH`Work> and I get through the h1b lottery this year, and realise my application is 50% shit, 50% lies
14:35 <@JonnyH`Work> and naturally they've pinged it for extra review...
14:35 <@JonnyH`Work> like they put me down as "Entry level/Graduate"
14:35 <@JonnyH`Work> It's nice to understand just how much they appreciate my work....
14:35 <@pmprog> Yep, you're just fodder
14:36 <@JonnyH`Work> TBH it seems more a mistake by my eye, there's no *benefit* for them to have done that...
14:36 <@JonnyH`Work> but it shows a lack of care about the one change I'll be able to work for them
14:36 <@JonnyH`Work> (as if I do have to go back to the UK, I'll take some time off, then look for new opportunities)
14:37 <@JonnyH`Work> needless to say this has been weighing on my mind for *months*... and to get this far, get through the lotteries, and realise it's crap?
14:37 <@JonnyH`Work> blerg.
14:39 <@pmprog> Kinda like a good kick in the bollocks :(
14:54 < sfalexrog> JonnyH`Work: probably, I didn't research this further. Gotta write a proper game launcher first, and it seems I'm doing everything to not write one. By the way, does OpenApoc care about its working directory and/or sane environment, or we can safely pass enough arguments overriding config and save paths?
14:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I /think/ all the relative paths it uses can be set in the config/cmdline...
14:56 < sfalexrog> what about trace files, by the way?
14:57 <@JonnyH`Work> --Trace.outputFile=/absolute/path.trace should work
14:57 <@JonnyH`Work> lots of this is *should* work, but might not be well tested - if it doesn't it's a bug that should be fixed
14:59 < sfalexrog> That's good to know, thanks! (yeah, it's right there in the help... feel dumb for not reading that properly)
15:01 < sfalexrog> also, damn, that's some really tough life stuff. Best of luck sorting that out, really hope it'll be in your favor one way or another.
15:09 <@JonnyH`Work> me too thanks
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19:51 < SupSuper> hey i see you guys got an alpha out :)
19:51 < SupSuper> congrats, need a signal boost?
19:53 <@JonnyH`Work> Not sure, I want to make it a bit more user-friendly...
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> or even just a list of "stuff we know doesn't work"
19:54 < SupSuper> replace the error handler with a "this doesn't work" popup :p
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> otherwise we'll get swamped with bug reports
19:54 <@JonnyH`Work> or give a bad taste for the "first look" :P
19:55 < SupSuper> oh trust me, they'll report whether you like it or not
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> I was hoping to get time yesterday to at least disable the "KNOWN BROKEN" stuff :P
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> but... time...
19:55 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe just going through the high-level features are are yet to be implemented
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> and adding github issues (with a new "Target: 1.0" or something)
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> would at least be a list we can point people at :P
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> ya know, if anyone has any spare time and all... :P
19:56 <@JonnyH`Work> Maybe a LogNotImplemented()  :P
19:57 < SupSuper> probably better to just make a feature list and if they report it point them to RTFM
19:57 < SupSuper> in openxcom i tried replacing all the missing features with a N/A, then they reported the N/A, then i put a big startup disclaimer, then they happily forgot about it, etc. :p
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> I mean if we have a 'issue' list, we can actually track it, mark bugs as duplicate
19:58 <@JonnyH`Work> *and* copy the list into the readme to point people at
19:59 < SupSuper> oh i think i only got an issue tracker by 0.9
19:59 <@JonnyH`Work> I guess I could close issue tracker to "non-project members" or something....
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> until we're actually somewhat feature complete
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> but then we might miss real issues...
20:00 <@JonnyH`Work> but maybe the SNR isn't worth it
20:08 < SupSuper> wow your error logs are big :p
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> padded by shadows falling off the map and lots of routing info...
20:09 <@JonnyH`Work> I should probably move them to LogDebug, as they're "normal"
20:11 < SupSuper> anyways you should probably keep a list of "known issues" somewhere, but don't stress too much about users being users, it can't be helped :p
20:12 < SupSuper> or the opposite, a list of "this stuff works"
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20:17 <@JonnyH`Work> *users gonna user*
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09:39 <@Istrebitel> JonnyH, could you tell me the ETA for alpha? We told people it's going to be out in a week and it's like 2 weeks now...
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15:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Istrebitel: Well, we *cold* just call the -rc2 alpha?
15:57 <@Istrebitel> I mean, do we have instructions for people to install it?
15:57 <@Istrebitel> like, somewhere public?
15:57 <@JonnyH`Work> Unzip, put cd.iso in data/ :P
15:57 <@JonnyH`Work> I can try to do some minimal amount of docs this evening
15:58 <@JonnyH`Work> file github issues against me for everything you want me to do for a "0.1" milestone
15:58 <@Istrebitel> erm, what about hand-made xmls?
15:58 <@JonnyH`Work> then I won't forget
15:58 <@JonnyH`Work> hand-made xmls? It should all be there in the zip output from appveyor?
15:58 <@Istrebitel> doesn't it only have exes?
15:59 <@JonnyH`Work> no, it should be the full package
15:59 <@JonnyH`Work> Just download the (non-debug) zip, extract, copy cd.iso into data/, run openapoc.exe
15:59 <@JonnyH`Work> brb, meeting
16:00 <@Istrebitel> ok
16:00 <@Istrebitel> yeah I see now
16:00 <@Istrebitel> it does
16:00 <@Istrebitel> I dunno how I managed to miss it
16:00 <@Istrebitel> maybe you can post a guide and announcement on FB about it, with all the info?
16:01 <@JonnyH`Work> I kinda wanted to make the 'start game' pop up a "WARNING: Cityscape not quite done yet"
16:01 <@JonnyH`Work> and add a "start battle" button to go directly to the battle setup...
16:01 <@JonnyH`Work> but meh
16:01 <@JonnyH`Work> anyway, back in a bit
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16:06 <@Istrebitel> yeah but people are waiting and I think rather release now since we've promised for some time
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03:15 <@JonnyH> BTW I'm not going to be able to do anything this evening
03:15 <@JonnyH> and probably not tomorrow either
03:15 <@JonnyH> which leaves the first day I can fixup any "release" saturday
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14:45 <@Istrebitel> so, will you make an announcement?
14:45 <@JonnyH> Maybe :P
14:46 <@JonnyH> Can't do much right now
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17:29 <@Istrebitel> well O
17:29 <@Istrebitel> I'm just asking since you said you'd do PR
17:29 <@Istrebitel> if you don't have time and won't have today just give me all the links and I'll make a post myself then
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> Create a tag, push it to openapoc/openapoc on github
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> that should create a build on appveyor
17:31 <@JonnyH`Work> and you can use that package
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/JonnyH/openapoc-iq0ey
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> that should be the link you need
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> and you should alreay have permissions on github to create a new release
17:32 <@JonnyH`Work> if you give it the same name as the tag it'll pick that up, and then you can upload the binaries
17:33 <@JonnyH`Work> then point people at that :)
17:46 <@Istrebitel> so if I just push to master it will be a new build or not?
17:46 <@JonnyH`Work> Yeah, but a tag should be done for any "release"
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> like I made a v0.1-rc2
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> so the "final release" should be v0.1"
17:47 <@Istrebitel> what would that change?
17:47 <@Istrebitel> I don't se a tagger release on https://ci.appveyor.com/project/JonnyH/openapoc-iq0ey
17:47 <@JonnyH`Work> nothing, but it's just a reference you can use later
17:47 <@Istrebitel> I see master <> 48120470
17:47 <@Istrebitel> erm... how?
17:47 <@Istrebitel> do I use it?
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> the history, the one after that ias a tag "v0.1-rc2"
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> build 0.0.41 
17:48 <@Istrebitel> okay
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> creating a tag
17:48 <@Istrebitel> but I can point to any build without a tag too?
17:48 <@Istrebitel> like https://ci.appveyor.com/project/JonnyH/openapoc-iq0ey/build/0.0.39
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> (checkout the revision you want, create a tag with "git tag TAG_NAME")
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> sure, but a tag allows us to reference it going forward
17:48 <@Istrebitel> or https://ci.appveyor.com/project/JonnyH/openapoc-iq0ey/build/0.0.38
17:48 <@JonnyH`Work> like 'git describe' can use it as a baseline
17:49 <@Istrebitel> erm, can you explain what "reference" means in this context?
17:49 <@Istrebitel> what does it achieve?
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> git describe --tags
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> v0.1-rc1-1-g25f4ab7e
17:49 <@Istrebitel> ok I'll google that
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> means "this revision is 1 after "v0.1-rc1"
17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> which is the -1 after that
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17:49 <@JonnyH`Work> and "git sha starts with 25f4ab7e"
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> and that's used to show the 'version' on the title screen and built into the .exe
17:50 <@Istrebitel> so basically this auto-generates all these numbers, this tag thingy?
17:50 <@JonnyH`Work> generally it's a good idea to create a tag every time you want to "release" something
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> yeah, creating a tag allows git to automatically use that as a reference for later commits
17:51 <@Istrebitel> okay so right now I should always create a tag v0.1? or just create it once and then every commit after that will increment the number?
17:51 <@JonnyH`Work> It looks for the "most recent tag in the history" automatically
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> and tags should be unique, you only create a single "v0.1" tag, a later release should have a different name (like "v0.2 or v0.1.1 or something)
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> It's just a name associated with a specific git revision
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's easier to say "Oh, you're on version 0.1"
17:52 <@JonnyH`Work> than "You're on version 25f4ab7eb13257cd9e6adde5ce2f39dd9ccb349e"
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> if you do create a tag, create it from the "release/0.1" branch
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> if necessary merge changes onto that
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> so the 'release/0.1' branch will always contain the "latest 0.1.whatever"
17:57 <@JonnyH`Work> with tags referencing each release within that
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> It might be somewhat unnecessary today, as we'll not likley update 0.1 separate from master
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> but if we actually get people playing we could do a 1.0 'stable' branch that only does small fixes
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> with the master being 'new development work'
17:58 <@JonnyH`Work> so it's a little more pain now, but hopefully avoiding more pain in the future
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> so you don't get into the situation of (for example) openxcom being a moving target of 'nightly builds' for various mods etc.
17:59 <@JonnyH`Work> or 1.0 being full of bugs and old :P
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14:37 < Yataka> Buffering....buffering....
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16:21 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #154: test 0.1 tag (master...master) https://git.io/vdk7o
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16:22 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 25 new commits to master: https://git.io/vdk7K
16:22 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 82cdbb9 Istrebitel: relationship fixes...
16:22 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 77a1857 Istrebitel: fixes and code improvements...
16:22 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master cf8d0be Istrebitel: clang format
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18:28 <@Istrebitel> erm.. I tried to tag but it doesn't seem to have worked
18:28 <@Istrebitel> here https://github.com/Istrebitel/OpenApoc/commits/master
18:28 <@Istrebitel> I typed git tag 0.1v
18:28 <@JonnyH`Work> Brb, just been fired :(
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18:31 <@Istrebitel> oh
18:31 <@Istrebitel> crap
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04:36 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #156: vehicle fixes and improvements (master...master) https://git.io/vdIAO
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05:06 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #156: vehicle fixes and improvements (master...master) https://git.io/vdIAO
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06:26 < kkmic> Failed to write config file "OpenApoc_settings.conf" : "filesystem error: cannot create directories: Invalid argument"
06:27 < kkmic> That was in the console, checking the log
06:29 < kkmic> Whoa, a 5MB log
06:30 < kkmic> Is the log rewritten when OpenApoc starts or it is appended to?
06:30 < kkmic> Anyway, I found a crash
06:31 < kkmic> Options -> Debug Menu -> Form Preview
06:35 < kkmic> When hovering the cursor over the "Pick form" list, the scrollbar's "thumb" appears - the little gray square that can be dragged to scroll the list
06:36 < kkmic> If you click the thumb twice (regardless of actually dragging it or not) OpenApoc crashes
06:37 < kkmic> Thumb = slider
06:37 < kkmic> Sometimes I have issues finding my words
06:39 < kkmic> Thread 1 "main" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
06:39 < kkmic> OpenApoc::FormPreview::eventOccurred (this=0x55555aab5750, e=<optimized out>) at ~/Personal/OpenApoc/game/ui/debugtools/formpreview.cpp:151
06:39 < kkmic> 151                             currentSelected->BackgroundColour.a = 255;
06:40 < kkmic> #0  OpenApoc::FormPreview::eventOccurred (this=0x55555aab5750, e=<optimized out>) at /home/sghita/Personal/OpenApoc/game/ui/debugtools/formpreview.cpp:151
06:40 < kkmic> #1  0x00005555556b3786 in OpenApoc::Framework::processEvents (this=this@entry=0x555555ec7950) at /home/sghita/Personal/OpenApoc/framework/framework.cpp:515
06:40 < kkmic> #2  0x00005555556b4254 in OpenApoc::Framework::run (this=0x555555ec7950, initialStage=...) at /home/sghita/Personal/OpenApoc/framework/framework.cpp:375
06:40 < kkmic> #3  0x000055555569464b in main (argc=<optimized out>, argv=<optimized out>) at /home/sghita/Personal/OpenApoc/game/main.cpp:26
06:40 < kkmic> There's the backtrace, I hope it helps
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07:06 < kkmic> Oh, and when OpenApoc crashes, my Firefox hangs
07:10 <@JonnyH> ....huh
07:10 <@JonnyH> I should disable the form preview - it has known holes that'll cause crashes
07:10 < kkmic> Well, the firefox web process (I'm running multiprocess), but it still needs a restart to get back on its feet
07:11 <@JonnyH> bizzarre
07:11 < kkmic> I concur :)
07:11 <@JonnyH> And weird it can't open the settings file... What's your $(pwd)?
07:11 <@JonnyH> And weird permissions?
07:12 < kkmic> ~/Personal/OpenApoc
07:12 < kkmic> Where is the settings file?
07:12 <@JonnyH> if there's $(pwd)/portable.txt, $(pwd)/OpenApoc_settings.conf
07:13 <@JonnyH> else I believe it uses an xdg directory (~/.local/share/OpenApoc/settings.conf or something?)
07:14 < kkmic> There was a ~/.local/share/OpenApoc/ dir, but no settings file inside
07:15 < kkmic> I've deleted it, re-running
07:15 <@JonnyH> I'm not in a position to try it myself right now...
07:15 <@JonnyH> Maybe not for weeks :/
07:16 < kkmic> :)
07:16 < kkmic> Relax
07:17 < kkmic> Normal shutdown, same error message
07:17 < kkmic> The ~/.local/share/OpenApoc/ dir was recreated
07:17 < kkmic> So the permissions are OK
07:17 <@JonnyH> hmm... Did you actually change any settings?
07:18 <@JonnyH> Like the volume or something that's stored in the settings file?
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07:19 < kkmic> Now if you mentioned it, I did changed one of the volume sliders, the top one on the "Esc" screen from the cityscape
07:19 < _michal> hello
07:19 < kkmic> Hey _michal
07:19 < _michal> https://www.reddit.com/r/Xcom/comments/72iqx7/openapoc_is_making_great_progress_one_of_devs/
07:19 < _michal> https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/72ir8n/openapoc_is_open_source_engine_for_xcom/
07:20 < _michal> Istrebitel: i'
07:20 < _michal> i've posted your video to reddit
07:22 < kkmic> "OpenApoc is released! Go check it out!
07:22 <@JonnyH> heh, hopefully that doesn't sound *too* optimistic....
07:22 < kkmic> I'm not sure "released" is the appropriate word :)
07:22 <@JonnyH> Maybe add "TESTING" "ALPHA" "WILL EXPLODE (and kill your cat)"
07:23 < kkmic> No, not the cat, please
07:25 < _michal> yeah, i've tried to make post title sounds more meaningful, that's why i wasn't writing it was released
07:25 < kkmic> I'm talking about the video title
07:26 < kkmic> Appreciate your commitment to the project _michal
07:26 < kkmic> :)
07:27 <@JonnyH> Eh, probably just after "peak US reddit time"
07:30 < _michal> kkmic: yeah, i know, but i'm just saying i didn't copied video name
07:30 < _michal> anyway, good you're making progress
07:30 < kkmic> Yeah, I have noticed that
07:30 < _michal> that's whot most important
07:30 < kkmic> I mean, you posted about the video, you have not posted the video
07:31 < kkmic> And the video was named by Istrebitel
07:31 < kkmic> So, no issues with the Reddit post
07:31 < kkmic> And yeah, I'm glad too that there's progress to be shown
07:32 < _michal> JonnyH: you think i should delete posts and resubmit it in couple hours?
07:32 < _michal> i see usa time is between 21:30 - 3:30
07:32 < kkmic> Why? Better publicity in a few hours?
07:32 < _michal> so sleeping probably
07:32 < _michal> yeah
07:32 <@JonnyH> _michal: Naa, it's cool
07:32 <@JonnyH> If people see them and upvote, great
07:33 < _michal> on r/xcom it doesn't matter much, there aren't many posts there
07:33 <@JonnyH> it not, it's not really a "normal person" release anyway
07:33 < _michal> or /r/games i'm not sure ppl are interested in such project anyway
07:33 <@JonnyH> I don't want to hype too much, and get people actually thinking it's *ready*
07:35 < _michal> if you looking for programmers, you should also post on r/programming or r/gamedev
07:35 < _michal> maybe r/linux_gaming - those ppl are into open source too
07:36 < _michal> similar project, posted 23 hours ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/72b0v5/openrct2_an_open_source_reimplementation_of/
07:36 <@JonnyH> Eh, maybe
07:36 <@JonnyH> I'm not in a position right now to help people up to speed though
07:36 < _michal> yeah, i guess RollerCoaster Tycoon 2 is more popular that x-com apoc
07:36 < _michal> yeah, i understand
07:38 < _michal> but, from what i'm seeing, there is many things implemented now?
07:38 < _michal> progress is impressive, at least from watching videos ;)
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12:05 < michal_> cool, it's climbing :) https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/
12:05 < michal_> first page, fifth position in hot topics
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15:43 <@pmprog> Good job on the release guys!
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16:43 <@JonnyH> pmprog: it was all Istrebitel :P
16:43 <@JonnyH> Not a great time for me - just laid off
17:29 <@Istrebitel> read the chat above
17:29 <@Istrebitel> yes, we need someone who can be there reliably to get people that are interested into the project
17:29 <@Istrebitel> to engage with them etc
17:29 <@Istrebitel> like JonnyH did for me back then
17:29 <@Istrebitel> we have lots of people interested but noone really responds to them
17:30 <@Istrebitel> I can't do that since I'm also busy now, and all time I have I just spend implementing features that I thought of before, and this time I have is randomly available so I won't be there to answer questions etc
17:30 <@Istrebitel> and again, time better spent implementing stuff, I have like most of the game already implemented in my head it 's just a matter of time coding it in
18:08 <@pmprog> JonnyH: I saw you FB post, sorry to hear
18:19 <@pmprog> Istrebitel: Where are these people asking? I don't see many developers coming forward. The ones I do see, I direct here, because it's difficult to know what to suggest when I'm not even up to speed on the dev rreally
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07:16 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 712fc26 Istrebitel: Fix batch...
07:16 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 934a250 Istrebitel: Merge pull request #157 from Istrebitel/master...
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19:33 < pmprog_laptop> Howdy
19:34 < SupSuper> hey
19:34 < pmprog_laptop> Hey SupSuper, how's tricks?
19:34 <@JonnyH> Hey kids
19:35 < pmprog_laptop> Hey JonnyH
19:36 < SupSuper> not bad, possibly getting a career change
19:36 <@JonnyH> It's all the rage SupSuper!
19:36 <@JonnyH> Planning anywhere interesting?
19:36 < pmprog_laptop> Oh yeah, doing what?
19:37 < pmprog_laptop> What's happening with you JonnyH, are you heading back to the UK now?
19:37 <@JonnyH> pmprog_laptop: maybe - there's still a chance I can get my visa sorted within days (I mean quite literally this is the *worse* time) - and stick around here
19:37 <@JonnyH> but no guarantees... I'm interviewing over here anyway though
19:38 <@JonnyH> But SupSuper, what "change" are you planning?
19:40 < SupSuper> joining the filthy world of gamedev :p
19:41 <@JonnyH> oh no, SupSuper has gone mad...
19:41 <@JonnyH> Better restrain him for his own safety....
19:41 <@JonnyH> Weren't you looking at gollops studio as well?
19:41 < SupSuper> i know, it's not even anything glamorous, but i need a change of scenary
19:41 <@JonnyH> Decided to expand in that direction?
19:41 < SupSuper> they never got back to me :/
19:41 <@JonnyH> :/
19:42 <@JonnyH> their loss :p
19:42 < pmprog_laptop> In a way I found that disappointing, in the sense of you built OpenXCOM, so you're almost already in GameDev
19:42 < pmprog_laptop> Was expecting to say you were going into finance or insurance or something ;-)
19:43 < SupSuper> well it's a big change from what i actually get *paid* to do :p
19:43 < pmprog_laptop> Ah :)
19:43 < SupSuper> i.e. enterprise dev
19:43 < SupSuper> and so far openxcom hasn't opened any employment opportunities for me so
19:43 < pmprog_laptop> I've considered that transition several times
19:43 < SupSuper> gonna do some remote work for some indies, we'll see how it goes
19:44 < SupSuper> my other plan was living off patreon but i think that's too much of a gamble :p
19:44 < pmprog_laptop> Not thought about using Kickstarter to develop a game from scratch?
19:45 < SupSuper> it's crossed my mind, but kickstarter isn't available in portugal so i'd have to set up some kind of offshore
19:46 < pmprog_laptop> IndieGoGo? Think they're practically worldwide
19:46 < SupSuper> ugh paypal
19:47 < SupSuper> anyways i figure i'll start from the bottom before i go too crazy just yet :p
19:47 < pmprog_laptop> Do you have any dependants?
19:48 < SupSuper> hahahahaha no
19:49 < pmprog_laptop> I kinda wish I'd tried going whole hog as an indie about 6 years ago when I was single. Worst case would be packing up, sell my house and move back in with the parents. Not ideal, but not a big risk
19:50 < pmprog_laptop> So, what have you got to lose? Run out of money, you just go get another "dull" job :)
19:51 < pmprog_laptop> haha, easy for me to say that, when I didn't do it... Though I do wish I'd tried it
19:53 < SupSuper> yeah i figure now's the time to go nuts, but not too nuts. probably need a bunch more savings before i go full nuts
19:53 < SupSuper> everyone's been telling me to go full nuts but i wanna take it easy :p
19:56 < pmprog_laptop> Good luck, whatever you're approach. Keep us updated with what project(s) you get involved with
19:57 <@JonnyH> If you need any help, let us know :P
19:57 <@JonnyH> I only really know "mobile" devs, and not sure if any are around PT
19:57 <@JonnyH> I might be able to ask around for possibly remote positions, but I don't think you have any mobile-related experience, but might be able to spin stuff anyway :P
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> I presume you're scouting tigsource?
19:58 < pmprog_laptop> There's a section on there for advertising
19:59 < SupSuper> thanks for the offer, but i already got something lined up with an american contact who's kept bugging me for remote work
19:59 < SupSuper> we'll see how long it lasts :p
19:59 < SupSuper> i have unity experience, that can count as mobile dev?
19:59 <@JonnyH> Eh, maybe...
19:59 < SupSuper> nobody wants to do native coding anymore
20:00 <@JonnyH> Google used unity for their PR engine sutff, and they *were* looking for people the other month...
20:00 <@JonnyH> PR == VR
20:00 < SupSuper> might pick up ue4 too
20:01 < pmprog_laptop> I find it really annoying. Have you played the game Convoy? I reckon if I wrote it using SDL or Allegro, it could run on much lower spec than it requires.
20:01 < pmprog_laptop> I guess people don't care about "low spec" machines anymore though
20:02 < SupSuper> well portability is the word of the day. nobody wants to write and build for various differing systems
20:02 < SupSuper> mobile specially
20:03 < pmprog_laptop> True, but OpenXcom runs on multiple platforms; and we even had an Android build of OpenApoc at one point
20:03 < SupSuper> yeah and it's a hassle :p
20:04 < SupSuper> like unity is not just "cross-platform", you can literally push a button and it makes builds for the various platforms
20:04 < SupSuper> no aaa games will use it, but hey it's all tradeoffs
20:07 <@JonnyH> OpenApoc requring a 1.4ghz arm64 is *insanely* inefficient already :P
20:07 <@JonnyH> Kinda bugs me...
20:07 <@JonnyH> BRB writing stuff in asm
20:08 < SupSuper> oh the amount of complaints we get that openxcom is slow sometimes...
20:08 < pmprog_laptop> People these days are spoilt
20:08 <@JonnyH> It's been nearly 2 weeks since I last rewrite something for no reason, I can barely keep myself together
20:08 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: if it makes you feel better, i hate every other part of using unity
20:08 <@JonnyH> OpenXcom's blitnshade is the stuff of nightmares ;P
20:08 < SupSuper> but there's barely any library that i don't hate given enough time :p
20:08 <@JonnyH> Could be replaced by a shader, or a simd-able loop, or pretty much anything...
20:09 <@JonnyH> Anyway, I'm off for another interview, bbl
20:09 < pmprog_laptop> I don't know if I hate unity... I like the idea of build "once" deploy everywhere. But it's just the massive overhead on what seems simple games
20:09 < SupSuper> JonnyH: openxcom, where inlining stuff actually shows *significant* improvements :p
20:09 < pmprog_laptop> Good luck
20:09 < SupSuper> cya, god speed
20:09 < pmprog_laptop> I still don't get shaders
20:09 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: I feel that's someone who secretly hates compilers...
20:10 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: i get ya, stuff like this is unity: http://store.steampowered.com/app/370360/TIS100/
20:10 <@JonnyH> pmprog_laptop: Just programs that run for every pixel on screen, that outputs "What color should this pixel be?"
20:10 <@JonnyH> bam, shaders
20:10 < SupSuper> and it always *feels* bulky
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20:11 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, I kinda get it. I also get that some shaders move vertex points too... but if you've got a framebuffer, just read/write pixels... I guess it's almost the same except what device does the pixeling
20:12 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: yeah all the stuff on openxcom is basically pixel pushing buffers, but these days doing that stuff on the gpu is way faster, even if it requires a bit of a mindshift
20:12 < pmprog_laptop> I guess when you've owned a Pandora, it's kinda like "hey, I've got this neat little device, but it's quite resource constrained", so you plan to develop with those constraints. As most people never heard of it, let alone owned it, they don't care
20:13 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, I guess I need to make that shift. Even if it's just for my knock-around projects
20:15 < SupSuper> we had a pandora port at some point i think...
20:15 < SupSuper> i think it's even more important on low-end devices these days since gpu chips usually way outweight the cpu
20:16 < SupSuper> while openxcom still gets away with doing all its cpu-pushing on the pc :p
20:16 < pmprog_laptop> You still do. It was updated recently so it could play TFTD too I think
20:16 < pmprog_laptop> TBH, I don't use my Pandora much any more; which is a shame
20:20 < pmprog_laptop> Wow, OpenApoc crashes starting a new Novice game (missing game state!)
20:21 < pmprog_laptop> Okay, it's just totally broken for me
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20:39 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: do you need to generate the data stuff?
20:39 < pmprog_laptop> It automatically does it as part of the build IIRC?
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> This is the problem when you slip away from the project, it's really hard to try and get back involved. So much stuff there now, and it's all unfamiliar
20:42 < SupSuper> well i've probably been away as long as you :P sometimes it wouldn't do it automatically and i had to budge it
20:45 < pmprog_laptop> Ah well, I've done my pull request for this year :)
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21:17 < pmprog_laptop> Right. I'm shockingly tired. G'night, and dev hard :)
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18:12 <@pmprog> Hey JonnyH
18:28 <@JonnyH> hola
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18:50 <@pmprog> Hey, I finally did a pull request, but it Travis failed it. Wanna beat him up for me?
18:57 <@JonnyH> Maybe you should instal clang-format and format your code properly :P
18:58 <@JonnyH> the lint pass checks for that
18:58 <@JonnyH> oh, you need clang-format 4.0, other versions may do things slightly differently
18:58 <@pmprog> Ah right. Never even thought of that
18:59 <@JonnyH> the failure message shows the diff of what it expected, if you want to try to do the reformatting manually...
18:59 <@JonnyH> Which is a massive pain, but meh :P
18:59 <@JonnyH> the lint.sh script should work on linux
18:59 <@JonnyH> otherwise I guess ether the msvc clang-format extension, or the .bat file might work?
19:00 <@JonnyH> Not tried :P
19:01 <@pmprog> Meh
19:01 <@pmprog> Can't we get a github service that automatically sorts the formatting?
19:02 <@JonnyH> No, as it would have to 'modify' your commit
19:02 <@JonnyH> which breaks the git method of identifying commits by content
19:03 <@JonnyH> IE a modified commit has a different sha, so it is a "different commit"
19:04 <@pmprog> Is it LLVM 4.0.0 I want to download?
19:05 <@pmprog> http://releases.llvm.org/download.html#4.0.0
19:05 <@JonnyH> yup, that "clang for windows" should have clang-format.exe
19:05 <@JonnyH> which you can do "clang-format.exe -i path\to\file.cpp" to refromat it
19:06 <@JonnyH> as I said, I believe there are plugins for msvc to do it for "live" files if that's what you use
19:06 <@pmprog> There's a windows batch file in the OpenApoc project
19:06 <@JonnyH> In linux, you should use the package manager version
19:06 <@pmprog> seems to be working
19:06 <@pmprog> I'm back on Windows mostly now
19:06 <@JonnyH> I think that bat just does "for all files; do clang-format -i ${file};"
19:07 <@JonnyH> Cool, I think Istrebitel and SupSuper both use clang-format on windows
19:07 <@JonnyH> *hopefully* it's not too difficult...
19:07 <@pmprog> Well, I've pushed it to my repo
19:07 <@pmprog> do I have to repush it to OpenApoc
19:07 <@pmprog> ?
19:07 <@JonnyH> I worry I end up using things that are "easy" in linux, without realising they don't fit well in the windows-world
19:07 <@JonnyH> PRs are linked to branches, if you update your branch it should automatically update the corresponding PR
19:07 <@pmprog> Cool
19:07 <@JonnyH> (which is why using a unique branch name for each PR makes sense)
19:08 <@pmprog> It's doing some checks now
19:08 <@JonnyH> Hopefully I'll be able to add a windows build to those checks too..
19:08 <@JonnyH> my plan was to "never merge a PR that doesn't build"
19:09 <@JonnyH> makus also just pointed out we have an "old" logo in the data/ui folder - not sure if that's worth replacing?
19:09 <@JonnyH> I don't really know anything about branding/logos :P
19:09 <@pmprog> Do we have a new logo?
19:09 < makus> Som1 pls change old logo on new https://i.imgur.com/FeJKM9k.png )
19:09 <@JonnyH> and I have an interview lined up in a few mins...
19:10 < makus> in data/ui =]
19:10 <@JonnyH> Oh, so it's just a few color/blending tweaks
19:10 < makus> sorry Jonny i didnt know that
19:10 <@JonnyH> rather than a "new logo" :P
19:10 <@JonnyH> "updated" isntead of "new" :P
19:11 <@pmprog> It still suffers from incorrect perspective on the text :(
19:11 <@pmprog> It's a minor thing, but always bugged me
19:11 < makus> ) yep old little colorless =]
19:12 <@JonnyH> back in a bit ;)
19:12 < makus> but its beacose in game we dont have perspective so i use isometri in logo too
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19:13 < makus> Jonny wish you luck on interview =]
19:14 <@pmprog> Bah, meant to ask how your last interview got on JonnyH, and I'll probably be gone before you get back. Good luck anyway
19:15 < makus> oh also pmprog i notice that you...
19:17 < makus> doing somthing wich mouse operation in game just intresting you can implement screeen move view by move mouse to diff corners of window
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19:18 <@JonnyH> pmprog: phone interview :P
19:18 <@JonnyH> interview yesterday, offer today
19:18 <@JonnyH> notbad.jpg
19:19 <@JonnyH> but it's all (conditional on visa),which isn't 100% yet
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19:30 < SupSuper> ok honest question: how do linux users install stuff? :p
19:30 <@JonnyH> apt-get install?
19:30 <@JonnyH> *everything* should go through the distro package manager
19:31 < SupSuper> not a day goes by when someone doesn't know where their openxcom data should go
19:32 <@JonnyH> find / -type d -name "GEODATA"
19:33 <@JonnyH> everyone wil be cool with a 20 minute boot time searching every startup if they can just leave the data anywhere :P
19:33 < Lightkey> game-data-packager
19:35 < Lightkey> that's from Debian
19:38 < SupSuper> Lightkey: well whatever it is is in there: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-games/game-data-packager.git/tree/data/xcom-ufo.yaml
19:40 < Lightkey> so it can download the data from GOG.com and Steam too
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19:48 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] pmprog closed pull request #164: Control's mouse checking. Fix crash on FormPreview screen (master...master) https://git.io/vd3T0
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20:17 <@pmprog> to be honest, I like in windows when you can extract games into their own folder. I even dislike the use of the profile directory for save games
20:17 <@pmprog> Mainly because I partition my drives and have a "games" drive... then if I ever reinstall windows, I can nuke C:\ freely
20:18 <@pmprog> Glad to hear things are going well JonnyH... Hope the visa gets sorted
20:19 <@JonnyH> not "well", but "possible"... maybe not "likely"
20:19 <@pmprog> Thought you said "offer today"? or was that hoping?
20:19 <@JonnyH> conditional on visa
20:19 <@JonnyH> The job's not the bottleneck :P
20:19 <@pmprog> Is it ever? ;)
20:22 <@pmprog> Heading off. Laters
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20:35 < makus> o/ me2go sleep)
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19:11 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #166: agents, fullscreen, mousescroll, fixes (master...master) https://git.io/vdZcG
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07:12 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #168: agent pathfinding fix (master...master) https://git.io/vdZ9h
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08:56 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #168: agent pathfinding fix (master...master) https://git.io/vdZ9h
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09:36 < Al_Arz> huh, totally forgot how to use IRC
10:12 < Al_Arz> don't know where to start so I'll just go with my stupid questions
10:16 < Al_Arz> there's also freeapoc slack, right? is it more or less alive compared with this IRC channel? how does one get an invite?
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18:02 < NoBrain> Istrebitel, that donation gives whoever holds the IP now legal reasons to shutdown openapoc as it is no longer non-profit organisation
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20:45 < ufomesh> Hello everyone. I'm trying to compile font tools, that can be found at https://github.com/JonnyH/xcapoc-resources page, but unfortunately no luck. Visual Studio shows over 100 errors and do nothing. Maybe anyone already has these tools? I need to convert default Apoc fonts to bitmap. Thanks in advance
20:51 <@JonnyH> ufomesh: that was my 'reverse engineering playground' repo, not really anything supported :P
20:51 <@JonnyH> I never tested on anything but linux
20:51 <@JonnyH> so it will probably not work on msvc...
20:52 < ufomesh> oh, it's a pity
20:53 <@JonnyH> The font files are palette indexes, each pixel described by a single byte
20:53 <@JonnyH> and there's no headers or padding, so you have to 'know' the font size to extract it
20:54 <@JonnyH> It might be possible to use the 'imagedump'
20:54 <@JonnyH> ...tool shipping with openapoc
20:55 <@JonnyH> that takes an 'image descriptor strong;
20:55 <@JonnyH> ...string
20:56 <@JonnyH> in the format "RAW:path/to/file:width:height:palette"
20:56 <@JonnyH> e.g. "RAW:xcom3/ufodata/isobord1.dat:640:128:xcom3/ufodata/pal_01.dat"
20:57 <@JonnyH> you could use "RAW:path/to/font/file:font_width:font_height * number_of_characters"xcom3/ufodata/pal_01.dat" for example
20:57 <@JonnyH> and that would make an output image with all the font letters in a vertical line
20:58 <@JonnyH> e.g. "bigfont" has glyphs that are 24 pixels high and 14 pixels wide
20:59 <@JonnyH> and 84 characters I think... so "RAW:xcom3/ufodata/bigfont.dat:24:1176:xcom3/ufodata/pal_01.dat" might work, for example?
21:00 <@JonnyH> but getting them /back/ into a paletted format the game can use would be a pain
21:00 <@JonnyH> as it uses different colours based on the current palette, so you can't just use an rgb format (like png)
21:01 <@JonnyH> (Actually, it seems to have 128 characters, but some are 'blank' so aren't in our list, so the height should be 24*128 instead?)
21:02 <@JonnyH> I hope that makes sense... we've not really got around to "ease of use" yet :P
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07:09 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vdnyy
07:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3e72e5e Istrebitel: pathfinding fix, fatal/psi icons...
07:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f1525da Istrebitel: format
07:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master b034b68 Istrebitel: Merge pull request #169 from Istrebitel/master...
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20:39 < ufomesh> A question about fonts: any hint about where and which font is used? I suppose that BIGFONT.DAT is used in Ufopaedia for titles. But there're other 2 fonts: SMALFONT.DAT and I think SMALLSET.DAT (as there is a smallset_new.dat file in openApoc resources) Where are they used?
20:54 <@Istrebitel> okay another crazy c++ thing
20:54 <@Istrebitel> I have this declared in class AgentMission
20:54 <@Istrebitel> static std::map<StateRef<City>, std::map<Vec3<int>, std::list<Vec3<int>>>> agentPathCache;
20:54 <@Istrebitel> if inside a static method I do
20:54 <@Istrebitel> agentPathCache[city].clear();
20:54 <@Istrebitel> (where city is of type StateRef<City>)
20:55 <@Istrebitel> then I get an unresolved external dependency in extractor
20:55 <@Istrebitel> however if I do this in another method then nothing happens
20:55 <@Istrebitel> static std::map<StateRef<City>, std::map<Vec3<int>, std::list<Vec3<int>>>> pathCache;
20:55 <@Istrebitel> pathCache[city].clear();
20:55 <@Istrebitel> so wtf?]
20:57 <@Istrebitel> and fonts are small and tiny variations, you can search code and forms to see where which is used, they're named by their file names
20:59 <@Istrebitel> Severity	Code	Description	Project	File	Line	Suppression State
20:59 <@Istrebitel> Error	LNK2001	unresolved external symbol "public: static class std::map<class OpenApoc::StateRef<class OpenApoc::City>,class std::map<struct glm::tvec3<int,0>,class std::list<struct glm::tvec3<int,0>,class std::allocator<struct glm::tvec3<int,0> > >,struct std::less<struct glm::tvec3<int,0> >,class std::allocator<struct std::pair<struct glm::tvec3<int,0> const ,class std::list<struct glm::tvec3<int,0>,class std::allocator<struct glm::tvec3<int,0>
20:59 <@Istrebitel> > > > > >,struct std::less<class OpenApoc::StateRef<class OpenApoc::City> >,class std::allocator<struct std::pair<class OpenApoc::StateRef<class OpenApoc::City> const ,class std::map<struct glm::tvec3<int,0>,class std::list<struct glm::tvec3<int,0>,class std::allocator<struct glm::tvec3<int,0> > >,struct std::less<struct glm::tvec3<int,0> >,class std::allocator<struct std::pair<struct glm::tvec3<int,0> const ,class std::list<struct glm::tvec3<int,
20:59 <@Istrebitel> 0>,class std::allocator<struct glm::tvec3<int,0> > > > > > > > > OpenApoc::AgentMission::agentPathCache" (?agentPathCache@AgentMission@OpenApoc@@2V?$map@V?$StateRef@VCity@OpenApoc@@@OpenApoc@@V?$map@U?$tvec3@H$0A@@glm@@V?$list@U?$tvec3@H$0A@@glm@@V?$allocator@U?$tvec3@H$0A@@glm@@@std@@@std@@U?$less@U?$tvec3@H$0A@@glm@@@4@V?$allocator@U?$pair@$$CBU?$tvec3@H$0A@@glm@@V?$list@U?$tvec3@H$0A@@glm@@V?$allocator@U?$tvec3@H$0A@@glm@@@std@@@std@@@std@@@4@@
20:59 <@Istrebitel> std@@U?$less@V?$StateRef@VCity@OpenApoc@@@OpenApoc@@@4@V?$allocator@U?$pair@$$CBV?$StateRef@VCity@OpenApoc@@@OpenApoc@@V?$map@U?$tvec3@H$0A@@glm@@V?$list@U?$tvec3@H$0A@@glm@@V?$allocator@U?$tvec3@H$0A@@glm@@@std@@@std@@U?$less@U?$tvec3@H$0A@@glm@@@4@V?$allocator@U?$pair@$$CBU?$tvec3@H$0A@@glm@@V?$list@U?$tvec3@H$0A@@glm@@V?$allocator@U?$tvec3@H$0A@@glm@@@std@@@std@@@std@@@4@@std@@@std@@@4@@std@@A)	extractor	E:\Projects\GitHub\OpenApoc\tools\gamest
20:59 <@Istrebitel> ate.lib(agentmission.obj)	1	
21:01 < SupSuper> ufomesh: BIGFONT.DAT is the font for screen titles, SMALLSET.DAT is the font for tooltips, and SMALFONT.DAT is the font for normal text
21:04 <@Istrebitel> narrowed it down to same call in same function adjacently
21:04 <@Istrebitel> pathCache[a.city].clear();
21:04 <@Istrebitel> 	//agentPathCache[a.city].clear();
21:04 <@Istrebitel> one thing is local static, other is static of class
21:05 <@Istrebitel> if I uncomment I get this error
21:05 <@Istrebitel> otherwise it works
21:10 < SupSuper> what does your static function look like?
21:11 < SupSuper> note that you need to define static class variables in both the .h and the .cpp
21:12 < SupSuper> example: https://isocpp.org/wiki/faq/ctors#link-errs-static-data-mems
21:13 <@Istrebitel> eeeh?
21:13 <@Istrebitel> define static class variable in cpp?
21:13 <@Istrebitel> what?
21:14 <@JonnyH> e.g. if I have a class that defined "class ClassName { static Type variable; }" in the header
21:14 <@Istrebitel> isn't it using default constructor if you don't put it in cpp?
21:14 <@JonnyH> I'd need a "static Type ClassName::variable;" in one  (and only one) of the .cpp files somewhere
21:15 <@JonnyH> static variables are global, so could be possible to touch before *any* of MyClass constructors are run
21:15 <@JonnyH> the .h just says "there's a static variable of this name *somewhere*"
21:15 <@JonnyH> you need it in a .cpp file for the compiler to actually generate that variable, so the linker can then go "Oh, there it is, it's in the .obj from that .cpp file"
21:16 <@Istrebitel> I guess that should make sense? It just doesn't to me because I studied C# first?
21:16 <@JonnyH> Yeah, c++ has a few weird quirks, as headers are textual inclusion, and can be modified
21:16 <@JonnyH> e.g. I could have "#define Type Type2; #include "header.h""
21:17 <@JonnyH> and suddenly that means something different
21:17 <@Istrebitel> modified?
21:17 <@Istrebitel> oh
21:17 <@Istrebitel> wait but then it would depend which file parses first?
21:17 <@Istrebitel> as headers are #pragma once
21:17 <@Istrebitel> ?
21:17 < SupSuper> welcome to c++ :p
21:17 <@JonnyH> No, each would see a different object, one of Type, one of Type2
21:18 <@Istrebitel> I mean if I do some #define before #include and in header I do #ifdef and another #include without #define
21:18 <@Istrebitel> and header is #pragma once
21:18 <@JonnyH> as headers are (normally) included in multiple files too, it can't create a new instantiation of the object automatically when #including that file
21:18 <@Istrebitel> then it would depend which file was parsed first?
21:18 <@JonnyH> as then you'll end up with lots of copies of the same object, and that would be a pain for the linker to sort out
21:19 <@JonnyH> (and, as stated above, may refer to different object types :)
21:19 <@JonnyH> The .cpp->.obj compilation process is completely indepandant of each other
21:19 <@JonnyH> the order of parsing and compilation doesn't matter
21:19 <@JonnyH> it leaves the linker, as a second step after *all* compliation, to sort that stuff out
21:20 <@JonnyH> and that "required" all referenced objects to exist somewhere, and only a single object instantiation per "name"
21:20 <@JonnyH> (name being the massive mangled symbol@@string you mentioned above - that encodes stuff like template types, argument types etc. So it's "unique")
21:21 <@JonnyH> c# and java avoid this stuff, which is handy for them, but a core part of c++ that can't really be changed now...
21:22 <@JonnyH> so just as a rule of thumb, every time you declare a static variable in a class
21:22 <@JonnyH> pick a single .cpp to "own" that object
21:23 <@JonnyH> often it makes sense to put it in the .cpp for the other member variable definitions, but if it's otherwise a "header-only" class you have to make an arbitrary decision
21:23 <@JonnyH> or create a new .cpp file with just that object instantiation in
21:23 < SupSuper> *looks wistfully at c++ modules spec*
21:24 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: modules won't help with this, it'll still have a 2-phase linker :P
21:24 < SupSuper> a man can dream
21:24 <@JonnyH> it will clean up the "headers can mean different things based on context" though
21:24 < SupSuper> but basically just because it's a "static class member" doesn't mean the class matters at all, it's a global for all intents and purposes. so you have to declare it in a .h/.cpp like you would any other "global" element
21:24 <@JonnyH> so you can, for example, use MIN/MAX without worrying about if you defined _WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN early enough :P
21:25 <@JonnyH> there are real uses for this to... but 90% of the time you don't care, and it's just "more busywork" that can contain mistakes...
21:26 < SupSuper> i don't think LEAN_AND_MEAN gets rid of minmax, you'd need NOMINMAX for that
21:26 <@JonnyH> ...see what I mean :
21:27 <@JonnyH> Or you have the X headers that "#define None"
21:27 <@JonnyH> ...then pmprog wonders why the event enums stop building on linux :P
21:28 < SupSuper> really the windows header is something to behold: https://hastebin.com/roqubogunu.c
21:29 < SupSuper> they really cared about you only compiling what you needed :P
21:30 <@JonnyH> the one true header, frm gdi, to input, to printer devices :P
21:30 <@JonnyH> No wonder windows devs like pch files...
21:30 < SupSuper> one header to unite them all
21:30 <@JonnyH> and still m68k and ppc support... just in case I guess? :P
21:31 <@JonnyH> Never know when someone fires up NT3.5 I guess
21:32 < SupSuper> well they still have ANSI/UNICODE defines :P
21:33 < SupSuper> hell you can still compile an example from windows 1.0
21:33 < SupSuper> i believe as they add new apis they're more sane, they're just never allowed to go back and touch the old ones
21:33 < SupSuper> and if you depend on newer apis, you depend on newer windows versions, and only apple can get away with that :P
21:35 <@JonnyH> a little similar to linux ioctls, there's a couple (like mmap2()) that they realised needed a new version as the previous one didn't hit all the current use-cases, and no extensibility
21:35 <@JonnyH> I think now they all require a flags arg, and at least 1 bit of those reserved for "version 2"
21:36 <@JonnyH> so running new apps on ancient kernels may fail at runtime, but it should be forward-compatible at least (IE ancient apps on new kernels)
21:37 < SupSuper> vista, for all its horrors, added a whole bunch of amazing win32 apis. but then you'd have to not support XP, so...
21:39 <@JonnyH> vista is pretty much the same kernel as win7
21:39 <@JonnyH> a lot of the early issues were the massive wddm changes, took ages to settle down and regain driver and interface stability...
21:40 < SupSuper> and i don't know the exact rules of c linkage backwards compatibility, but i know messing with a function signature is dicey
21:40 < SupSuper> so usually they just make a new ***Ex function when they need a new version :p
21:42 < SupSuper> and any no longer used parameters are just left forever dangling
21:44 <@JonnyH> elf has symbol "versioning" to tack on abi-breaking changes to the C linkage stuff
21:45 <@JonnyH> but all that does it push the effort onto the lib developer, so they have to "know" that a change breaks it, add a version annoation to the new version, and keep the old compatible version around FOREVER
21:45 <@JonnyH> so far... it's not too bad, the posix api seems pretty solidly designed, if only because it's got a very limited scope :P
21:45 <@JonnyH> like no UI
21:46 < SupSuper> :P
21:46 <@JonnyH> while 'compatible' UI stuff in linux can use the X wire protocol as a compatibilit layer, so different process can have different X/GUI libs and still work
21:46 < SupSuper> these days if you really wanna subject yourself to native windows development in C++, WinRT is your sanest bet: https://moderncpp.com/
21:47 <@JonnyH> "pixels to screen" is easy in linux
21:47 <@JonnyH> "UI widgets that fit into the native desktop" is out of scope :P
21:47 < SupSuper> linux users have UIs? :p
21:47 <@JonnyH> ncurses is a ui...
21:48 <@JonnyH> anyway.. after all that... did that fix Istrebitel's problem?
21:48 <@Istrebitel> yes
21:48 <@JonnyH> :3
21:48 <@Istrebitel> I didn't know that I had to declare it
21:48 <@Istrebitel> I mea
21:48 <@Istrebitel> define
21:49 < SupSuper> when in doubt
21:49 < SupSuper> uh
21:49 < SupSuper> get really good at googling
21:51 <@JonnyH> we in doubt don't ask me, as it'll turn into a 4 page discussion about a different problem on a different platform :P
21:58 < SupSuper> anyhing between me and jonnyh becomes a win32 api vs posix api thing
21:58 < SupSuper> or modern c++ vs classic c++
21:59 <@JonnyH> brb getting "POSIX4LYFE" tattoo
22:00 < SupSuper> *makes a mental note to clean out CrossPlatform.cpp*
22:00 < SupSuper> *never happening*
22:00 <@JonnyH> It's ok, I have more "Note to self: Fix X" than lines of code at this point....
22:01 < SupSuper> i tried porting openxcom to windows phone once and the ifdefs got out of hand...
22:01 < SupSuper> the irony is it still identifies itself as win32 even though it took out most of it
22:02 <@JonnyH> blerg...
22:02 < SupSuper> i wonder if linux in windows identifies itself as win32...
22:04 <@JonnyH> I don't think so... thank god
22:04 <@JonnyH> they just imported the whole ubuntu toolchain, right?
22:06 < SupSuper> i think so
22:06 < SupSuper> i try not to think too hard about the amount of layers windows must have :p
22:08 <@JonnyH> probably why it takes 100ms to spin up a thread
22:08 <@JonnyH> or ioctls are actually measurable :P
22:08 <@JonnyH> Like in linux you're talking about things that take "tens/hundreds of cycles" depending on platforms
22:08 <@JonnyH> then windows comes along, and bam, it's /hundreds of thousands to millions/
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22:11 < SupSuper> good thing multithreading is just a fad
22:20 <@JonnyH> I'm waiting for my 6ghz netburst...
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14:04 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #170: new stuff (master...master) https://git.io/vdW2w
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14:13 < Lightkey> stuff! \o/
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14:22 < 07IABA56M> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #170: new stuff (master...master) https://git.io/vdW2w
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14:22 < 92AAB4PLF> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vdWwm
14:22 < 92AAB4PLF> OpenApoc/master 17a9fc3 Istrebitel: progress on options
14:22 < 92AAB4PLF> OpenApoc/master 2fa6dbc Istrebitel: agent equipment multiselect, options...
14:22 < 92AAB4PLF> OpenApoc/master 576c41c Istrebitel: aequip, agent path cahcing...
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17:40 < ufomesh> Hey, there's a ttf font in the openapoc directory. Is it used somewhere? I'm asking if it is nesseccary to create cyrillic chars for it or not. I've already done with BIGFONT (I suppose it is used in Ufopaedia article names) but the problem is how to transfer all these chars to *.
17:40 < ufomesh> *.dat file
17:41 < ufomesh> And I mean disturbance.ttf in openapoc dir
18:03 <@JonnyH> I don't think that's used
18:03 <@JonnyH> but it's possible the original source of, or a ttf derived from, the bitmap font
18:03 <@JonnyH> for the BIGFONT that is
18:03 <@JonnyH> I think it was included in case we wanted to use it in the future
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18:23 <@Istrebitel> pmprog, JonnyH, there is a proposition from makus
18:23 <@Istrebitel> he wants to change our washed out logo to https://imgur.com/FeJKM9k which is more bright
18:23 <@Istrebitel> what do you think?
18:32 <@JonnyH> The difference appears pretty subtle?
18:33 <@JonnyH> And I know pmprog keeps whining about the perspective of the text being different to the X
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18:33 <@JonnyH> I'm fine with the change, either way I don't mind much :P
18:34 <@JonnyH> BTW I was a bit worried about discussions WRT donations
18:34 <@JonnyH> /if/ we start soliciting donations as an organsation, I will no longer be able to contribute
18:34 <@JonnyH> (though there's probably not much of a different right now :)
18:38 < SupSuper> what's going on?
18:39 <@JonnyH> makus has a logo with tweaked colours?
18:39 <@JonnyH> and I saw the title for Istrebitel's last video contained "donations" in the title :P
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18:40 <@JonnyH> might be able to get around it if it's "individual" donations, and they're not involving me whatsoever though
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18:43 <@Istrebitel> I am sorry for that
18:43 <@Istrebitel> I never intended for that video to be posted on facebook
18:43 <@Istrebitel> I purposely did NOT post it
18:43 <@JonnyH> np, if you phrase it as "I'm an individual that happens to work on openapoc, donations pls!" it'll probably be fine
18:44 <@Istrebitel> as I said in the comments now
18:44 <@JonnyH> rather than "Donations for OpenApoc" :)
18:44 <@Istrebitel> I do not plan to ever speak for "the organisation" I'm just a contributor who contributes his work free of charge
18:44 <@JonnyH> Cool, that's fine
18:44 <@Istrebitel> that's why I didn't post the video on facebook
18:44 <@Istrebitel> I didnt want to confuse people or "use" my position
18:45 <@JonnyH> I know it's a bit of a weird distinction, but I have enough issues I don't want to tempt the visa/tax gods :P
18:45 <@Istrebitel> but makus decided it's a good idea and it sucks
18:45 <@JonnyH> NP, it's fine to get something back for your good work :P
18:45 <@Istrebitel> I mean he just doesn't get it because honestly, from russian POV the way foreigners act makes no sense
18:46 <@JonnyH> I just want to say, hand on heart, I never got any donations, never got access to any, and they weren't intended for "me"
18:46 <@JonnyH> US tax law is designed to keep tax lawyers in a job
18:46 <@JonnyH> rather than actually make sense
18:46 <@JonnyH> doubly so if you're a "dirty foreigner"
18:48 <@Istrebitel> in russia any such project would have donate button immediately
18:48 <@Istrebitel> and anyone refusing money would seem like an idiot
18:49 <@JonnyH> I'm /not allowed/ to have a second source of income on a work visa
18:49 <@Istrebitel> I don't mean they are, I mean that's how mentalities differ
18:49 <@JonnyH> it's... silly
18:49 <@Istrebitel> and russians don't care much for legality
18:49 <@JonnyH> The UK system is much more sane :P
18:50 <@Istrebitel> we mostly work on "gray" jobs (meaning you official pay is like $1 a day but then you get premium in an envelope)
18:50 <@JonnyH> Like if you only work for corps with their own tax system, you never have to do anything yourself
18:50 <@Istrebitel> and most of personal taxes are evaded like if you make a personal contract you just ditch it every year and re-make it and thus don't pay taxes and so on
18:50 <@JonnyH> and you don't get fines for "silly" rules, and the rules themselves are much simpler....
18:50 <@JonnyH> lel, tax evasion ho! :P
18:50 <@Istrebitel> so that's why russians don't get it
18:51 <@JonnyH> the UK system is pretty much based on intent, if it's a mistake, you just pay back tax
18:51 <@Istrebitel> unless they spent some time and understand foreigners and how everything functions there
18:51 <@JonnyH> If you were intentionally evading tax, you'll probably get a fine too...
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18:54 <@pmprog> Regarding the logo: meh, I'm not going to fight it, do what you want with the logo. Yes, it looks "off" to me, but whatever
18:56 < SupSuper> JonnyH: i thought donations didn't count as a source of income unless they exceeded X amount
18:58 <@pmprog> Regarding the donations: It bothers me greatly, but there's not much I can do about it.
19:02 < SupSuper> anyways if the money doesn't actually make it to your bank account you're probably in the clear, i doubt the IRS has psychic powers
19:03 <@Istrebitel> once again, pmprog, I never wanted this video to appear on OpenApoc's facebook
19:04 < SupSuper> i don't think your name is even anywhere very visible besides github
19:04 <@Istrebitel> so that there's no confusion that OpenApoc accepts donations
19:04 <@Istrebitel> and that people only learn about it on my personal channel
19:05 <@pmprog> Istrebitel: Yeah, I read that; and I do understand.At the same time,the OpenApoc videos you post go to your channel instead of the OpenApoc channel.
19:06 <@Istrebitel> well for some reason google won't let me get the invite
19:06 <@Istrebitel>  we tried eveyrthing
19:17 < makus> Mark acn you add me as admin to openapoc channel?
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19:18 < makus> i can upload Istrebitel videos to it
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19:18 < makus> if not you create OA channel first on account
19:19 < makus> so need create second channel to have option add admins and modders wich rights
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22:49 <@JonnyH> Blerg, not lookign good for me WRT visa :(
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19:17 < _michal> hello
19:18 < pmprog_laptop> Hi _michal
19:20 < _michal> i'm not sure if you decided anything about donations... but just wanted to say that there are open source projects where programmers are getting donations
19:20 < pmprog_laptop> Don't care
19:20 < pmprog_laptop> Sorry, that was probably a little rude... I'm a bit pissed off at the minute
19:20 < _michal> yeah, i understand
19:21 < _michal> anyway, i'm not telling you what you should do
19:21 < _michal> just telling what i'm seeing in foss software
19:21 < _michal> more and more - with patreons for example
19:21 < pmprog_laptop> Some open source projects I get... Like Inkscape, LibreOffice
19:22 < _michal> as for inkscape, now there is bit strange situation
19:22 < _michal> at least two devs started theirs patreons
19:22 < _michal> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/71pres/inkscape_developers_on_patreon/
19:23 < _michal> personally i think inkscape should have one global patreon instead of individual patrons for programmers
19:23 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, that does seem weird. I just donated to a project-wide fund AFAIK
19:23 < _michal> rpcs3 (ps3 emu) has patreon https://www.patreon.com/Nekotekina
19:23 < _michal> it allowed them to hire two programmers full time
19:23 < _michal> so, it's big thing
19:24 < _michal> another good usage of donation https://www.patreon.com/godotengine
19:24 < pmprog_laptop> But let's take OpenXcom... So it says donations go to lead developers. Does Daiky still get a cut? He's no longer active, but wrote most of battlescap
19:24 < pmprog_laptop> Shame Sup isn't here to inform us
19:24 < _michal> main dev is working full time, next goals are for hiring more devs part time
19:24 < _michal> i remember i was talking about it with supsuper long time ago
19:25 < pmprog_laptop> But at the end of the day, to me the everyone elses project is irrelevant
19:25 < _michal> personally i resigned from any money, i even donated some AFAIR
19:26 < _michal> well i just hope you guys wont split team because of money
19:27 < pmprog_laptop> If money becomes involved, then yes, I'll be closing my door on OpenApoc
19:29 < pmprog_laptop> My contributions seem quite small these days compared to JonnyH and Istrebitel's, but it's not the project that I started
19:29 < _michal> pity, but i understand you, you have your personal values and motives
19:29 <@JonnyH> Yeah, if "some" devs get paid for their work, it may discourage new devs as they won't get paid, as they're not "primary" devs
19:30 <@JonnyH> it's probably easier for massive projects with real support structures, or those where they don't think they're not going to get many new devs anyway...
19:30 < pmprog_laptop> ^^ absolutely, as is one of the points I've been making on FB
19:30 < _michal> JonnyH: or for one person projects
19:30 <@JonnyH> Not to mention the moral and/or legal issues of getting money for something "I" don't personally own
19:30 < _michal> no problem with splitting money
19:30 < pmprog_laptop> One person projects can ask for any money they want... That's all them
19:30 <@JonnyH> even outside of code, should Mythos get a cut?
19:31 < pmprog_laptop> What about the SDL team?
19:31 <@JonnyH> Like I dislike the recent trend for some emulators to be donation-driven
19:31 <@JonnyH> Sure, they get like 1-2 devs "full time" - but what are the legal implications? What about 'secondary' devs?
19:31 <@JonnyH> And even a small amount of $$ transitions it from "fun time" to "work time" in my mind, which was never my goal
19:32 <@JonnyH> I can guarantee you my hourly wage will never be matched by any number of donations...
19:32 <@JonnyH> it's a can of worms I was trying not to open...
19:32 < _michal> yeah, emu devs who work for donations are mostly living in countries where you could live for 1K $ per month
19:34 < pmprog_laptop> I love this quote from Makus on FB "what about ppl for who this project not fun ?"
19:35 <@JonnyH> I don't want to employ people, as a "not fun project you get paid to do" is a job, right?
19:35 < pmprog_laptop> Yep, then you need to manage your finances, make sure people get the right cut, make sure you're in legal regulations for tax etc.
19:36 < pmprog_laptop> Well, that's probably overkill on most of the donations we'd get
19:36 < pmprog_laptop> But still, people just seem to think you can throw money at everything and it just works
19:36 < pmprog_laptop> Maybe they all live in Dubai or somewhere like that, because I think that's what they do
19:37 <@JonnyH> i think it's more the feeling of "I'm helping!"
19:37 <@JonnyH> which is fine, and a great attitude, but if the answer to that is "Thanks, but that's not useful" it shouldn't be taken as a negative :P
19:38 < pmprog_laptop> I'm sure that's what they're thinking, but if our problem is lack of C++ developers, I don't know how $5 will fix that
19:38 < pmprog_laptop> Unless they want to spend it on a book to learn
19:39 <@JonnyH> IF "OpenApoc" corp want to hire me, go ahead, I'm looking for a job now
19:39 < pmprog_laptop> Maybe you can set it up as a kickstarter, split it 50/50 with Ist?
19:39 <@JonnyH> Just bear in mind my current offers are around $150k + benefits + stock + US corp taxes +..... yadda yadda
19:40 <@JonnyH> and I'm not interested in running a business right now myself
19:42 < _michal> JonnyH: move to some poorest country in the world where you can live for 100$ per month and i will sponsor you, so you can work full time on openapoc ;)
19:43 <@JonnyH> _michal: ...maybe I don't want to move to some poorest contry in the workd?
19:43 <@JonnyH> Maybe I want to more than just "live"? :P
19:44 < pmprog_laptop> You will, you'll "work" too :P
19:44 <@JonnyH> I'm just a code vending machine to you - "Insert Coin, Get C++" :P
19:46 <@JonnyH> I find all this discussion and friction of yet more proof of my belief that
19:46 <@JonnyH> If you want to destroy a volunteer OSS project, insert money into the equation :P
19:46 < _michal> volunteer != money ;)
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20:28 < pmprog_laptop> lol @ Benjamin on FB: "I'll do it for money". I offered 1 pound, he said no... So I guess not then :)
20:31 <@JonnyH> That's what I mean by if it replaced my current job, it may be a different discussion. But it won't.
20:34 < pmprog_laptop> Absolutely. If we got salaries, I'd be more involved
20:34 <@JonnyH> (maybe not a different decision, as that's not my only issue, but a different discussion)
20:34 <@JonnyH> I feel a lot of non-devs don't thing we see our "fun projects as a different category
20:34 <@JonnyH> but more "I spend 10 hours a day instead of 8 coding anyway, so any non-zero extra $ is a benefit, right?"
20:36 <@JonnyH> probably similar to charity work - you'll probably get more volunteers at $0/hour than $0.10/hour, as it changes the category it's in for many people, from volunteer to awfully-paid-job
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> Agreed
20:40 < pmprog_laptop> Like you say, they think they're "helping"...
20:41 < pmprog_laptop> Anyway, I need to go to bed.
20:41 <@JonnyH> TBH I never did any openapoc work because people might enjoy playing it - that was seconday at best :P
20:41 < pmprog_laptop> Take it easy everyone
20:41 <@JonnyH> Night
20:41 < pmprog_laptop> You enjoyed the coding challenge?
20:43 <@JonnyH> mostly, I kinda used it as a playground for "Crazy C++11 features" that I'd never be able to get away with in a shipping project :P
20:43 < pmprog_laptop> Sounds as good a reason as any
20:43 < pmprog_laptop> G'night
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07:39 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #173: ground vehicles, fonts, org missions and fixes (master...master) https://git.io/vdBZa
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07:58 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vdBcv
07:58 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f513809 Istrebitel: fonts, ground vehicles, fixes and updates...
07:58 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d557828 Istrebitel: format
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08:18 < kkmic> Hey Istrebitel
08:18 < kkmic> Who's bot is openapoc-git>?
08:19 <@Istrebitel> erm
08:19 <@Istrebitel> I dunno who set it up
08:20 < kkmic> Pretty sure pmprog is not the owner
08:20 < kkmic> So... JonnyH`Away? Or maybe Jo5hua, on behalf of pmprog
08:21 < kkmic> Pretty neat though
08:22 <@Istrebitel> I'm not that knowledgeable with irc
08:22 <@Istrebitel> I don't even know how to set up a bot :P
08:23 < kkmic> Well, here's a quick 5 minutes lesson: https://www.rogdham.net/2013/04/07/git-irc-bot-in-5-minutes.en
08:23 < kkmic> :)
08:23 <@Istrebitel> thanks
08:23 < kkmic> Are you using Windows or Linux?
08:23 <@Istrebitel> win
08:24 < kkmic> Oh, in that case ignore the link :)
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14:19 <@Istrebitel> Pmprog, could you please tell me how my personal stance on donations and willingness of some people to donate to me for my effort is relevant to your desire to work on your "for fun" project?
14:20 < pmprog_laptop> Hi Istrebitel. I've mentioned it several times on the FB page... but I don't mind covering it again
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14:20 <@Istrebitel> I've read several times and couldn't get it
14:21 < pmprog_laptop> Hmmm, I'm not sure how to convey it any more differently
14:21 <@Istrebitel> okay let me ask then
14:22 < pmprog_laptop> Okay
14:22 <@Istrebitel> That you don't think one in my position should accept donations I do get.
14:22 <@Istrebitel> But should you have any say as to what my personal stance on donations is? If I'm not somehow enforcing it on you?
14:23 <@Istrebitel> It's like, should I lecture you on how to conduct your life? I don't think so.
14:23 < pmprog_laptop> No, absolutely, if you want to accept donations thats fine. I've said that
14:23 <@Istrebitel> okay\
14:23 <@Istrebitel> that out of the way then
14:23 <@Istrebitel> if we agree that it's fine for me to accept donations
14:23 < pmprog_laptop> However, it's that the donations are related to a project that more than you participate in
14:23 <@Istrebitel> but my contribution is transparent and distinguishable from other people's work
14:24 < pmprog_laptop> Fair enough
14:24 <@Istrebitel> I never claim credit for someone else's work and always mention it
14:24 < pmprog_laptop> No, and I've never claimed the opposite
14:24 <@Istrebitel> okay
14:24 <@Istrebitel> so we agree that my work is clearly distinguishable from other people's work on the project then?
14:25 < pmprog_laptop> Yes... Though the foundations of the OpenApoc project were in place before you arrived
14:25 <@Istrebitel> okay, now that we agree that it's okay for me to accept donations and that I accept donations for the work I and only I have done, what is the problem?
14:25 < pmprog_laptop> None.
14:26 <@Istrebitel> well?
14:26 <@Istrebitel> Why does it influence your desire to work on your "for fun" project then, can you explain?
14:26 < pmprog_laptop> Well, the next bit comes to other people looking to join the project
14:26 <@Istrebitel> yes?
14:27 < pmprog_laptop> I'm kinda glad that SupSuper has arrived, because I wanted to ask this related question yesterday
14:27 < pmprog_laptop> SupSuper, when you get a donation, does Daiky still get a split; he's inactive but did produce a massive chunk of battlescape?
14:27 < pmprog_laptop> I guess if you don't want to answer that, so be it
14:28 < pmprog_laptop> But back to the question in hand... Let's say I finish off the Ufopaedia... Somebody turns around and goes "Great job Istrebitel, here's $5"... Do you think that'll motivate me to do any more work?
14:29 <@Istrebitel> But even if I cover that in my video I will explain it was done by you. Why would someone donate to me for your work?
14:29 < pmprog_laptop> Because not everyone might watch the video
14:29 < SupSuper> pmprog_laptop: the donations go to those who want them
14:30 < pmprog_laptop> Okay, what about a dev who comes along, does a lot of background shit work, fixing bugs that users "don't see"
14:30 < SupSuper> originally the donations only went to me and Warboy. Daiky was employed at the time and he didn't want donations
14:30 < pmprog_laptop> How does that compare to somebody who adds in the flashy stuff?
14:30 < SupSuper> then i got a job and didn't have much need to donations so they pretty much go to Warboy now
14:30 < pmprog_laptop> SupSuper, thanks for the answer
14:30 <@Istrebitel> How likely do you think is it that the person who goes as far as to donate money to me does not watch my videos?
14:31 < pmprog_laptop> No idea...
14:31 <@Istrebitel> I think it's nil. Especially since people have to watch my videos to see that they can donate!
14:31 < SupSuper> unless you're solo, the point of "donations" isn't so much to equally distribute among everyone that has ever worked on their project, it's just a show of support
14:31 < SupSuper> they could just go to server costs, or whatever. the point is to have some say of having people show their support
14:31 <@Istrebitel> How does one know he can donate if he doesn't visit my personal channel?
14:31 < pmprog_laptop> I get that people think it shows support, but OA need developers, not money (IMO)
14:32 < SupSuper> because people will always go "hey this is a cool thing and i'd like to chip in even if it's just to buy a beer or whatever"
14:32 < SupSuper> well it's a lot easier to chip in a show of monetary support than a show of developer support :p
14:32 < pmprog_laptop> Absolutely, and I understand that
14:32 <@Istrebitel> If one went to my channel to see the link, and then found out ufopedia is in, and didn't watch my video, how did he found out about it? From appveyor, where he sees who's commit was merged!
14:32 <@Istrebitel> Where it will clearly state it wasn't me who did it!
14:33 < SupSuper> anyways if you don't want them that's fine. i'd suggest either clarifying "hey we don't have a global donation pool but these individuals could use some", or just put it towards some expense like server and domain costs
14:33 <@Istrebitel> Or, if it was me who did the commit, the comment would say that it was someone else's work! If you look here now https://ci.appveyor.com/project/JonnyH/openapoc-iq0ey you'll notice that it says "krammerer's fonts" not just "fonts"
14:33 < SupSuper> or set up a shirt store or something :p
14:34 <@Istrebitel> That's what I'm talking about. There is absolutely ZERO chance someone would be misguided into donating to me for something that was not done by me
14:34 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, look, fine. I've said my piece, you know my stance. If you want to continue, that's fine.
14:36 < SupSuper> if you're worried about people getting confused i'd just make a post clarifying
14:36 <@Istrebitel> I want to offer a rational discourse where we can find the truth. I provided my arguments. I debunked your arguments. Can you provide any counter-argument that stands?
14:37 <@Istrebitel> Or can we conclude that there is absolutely nothing wrong with me receiving donations, taking into account other's work, taking into account original IP, taking into account foundations, taking into account EVERYTHING.
14:37 < pmprog_laptop> No, feel free to carry on. I'm out
14:37 < SupSuper> "openapoc is developed by a diverse amount of people from various backgrounds and cultures. most of these people are already employed and have no need for donations, however some individuals have different standards and if you want you can donate to them personally, however these have no bearing in openapoc as a whole"
14:39 <@Istrebitel> That's what I'm talking about.
14:39 <@Istrebitel> How does someone else's attitude towards money affect your willingness to contribute to your own "fun" project?
14:39 <@Istrebitel> And why does it?
14:40 < pmprog_laptop> Because when money is involved, it's not a "fun" project
14:40 <@Istrebitel> it's not involved for you, or for the project
14:40 <@Istrebitel> It's only involved for you because you choose to get involved in it.
14:40 <@Istrebitel> So why?
14:40 < pmprog_laptop> If I wanted money for this, I'd have put a donate button up... I didn't, and I don't.
14:41 <@Istrebitel> Okay
14:41 <@Istrebitel> so why do you get involved with me and my personal situation?
14:41 < pmprog_laptop> Because it's related to the project, the project I started up, and was open, free and "fun"
14:41 < pmprog_laptop> But look, we've gone over this. You want donations, have your donations, I'm not going to stop you
14:41 <@Istrebitel> And how does me taking personal donations change the project?
14:42 < pmprog_laptop> Because people donate to you on the basis of that project
14:42 <@Istrebitel> I'm not the project. I'm the contributor. I'm separable from my contributions. I never excercise whatever influence on the project.
14:42 <@Istrebitel> People donate to me on the basis of me doing work.
14:43 <@Istrebitel> And I've just provided sound logical reasonable arguments to that.
14:43 < pmprog_laptop> Yes, but it's still because of the project that you contribute and they donate
14:43 < pmprog_laptop> That changes the nature of the project
14:43 < SupSuper> i think you're just gonna have to agree to disagree :p
14:43 <@Istrebitel> No SupSuper
14:44 <@Istrebitel> because he is saying irrational things and they can be proven so
14:44 <@Istrebitel> there is personal opinion, that can't be argued against
14:44 <@Istrebitel> things like "cats suck I like dogs"
14:44 <@Istrebitel> this you can agree to disagree
14:44 < pmprog_laptop> How is it irrational... If OpenApoc hadn't have been started, you'd never have contibuted, and nobody would have donated
14:44 <@Istrebitel> I would have contributed to something else that has worth in eyes of the people who donate
14:46 < pmprog_laptop> That doesn't surprise me
14:46 <@Istrebitel> You can clearly and easilly distinguish person's work from the brand. For example. Translator's work on translating Harry Potter is work. As is work on translating some business documentation.
14:46 < SupSuper> we've never had this issue with openxcom, so i can't comment much, everyone always agreed on who would and wouldn't get donations and there's never been bickering over people being left out
14:46 <@Istrebitel> It doesn't matter if one is translating one or the other. Translator's work is worth relatively same because it's an application of valueable skills and time
14:47 <@Istrebitel> You can't say translator is profiting from Harry Potter IP when he receives his check for translating Harry Potter!
14:47 < SupSuper> however individuals being donated to separate from the project is more common now in the "patreon" age where a lot of people contribute to a lot of different projects
14:47 < SupSuper> i can understand pmprog's discomfort over it, imho if Istrebitel wants to take personal donations he is free to do so but should keep it as much far away from any openapoc media as possible
14:48 < SupSuper> but i'm just an observer, everyone should agree on these matters for the good health of the project
14:50 <@Istrebitel> And here's another argument. If contributor receiving donations changes the project for you pmprog, you would have a requirement for anyone contributing be donation free
14:50 <@Istrebitel> Same way as you have a requirement for anyone contributing to do that under a license that permits free open source use!
14:51 < pmprog_laptop> Well, when we were first asked about donations, I asked JonnyH`Away and we agreed to not accept
14:51 < pmprog_laptop> But like I said, do what you like
14:51 < pmprog_laptop> I don't care any more
14:51 < pmprog_laptop> I need to go now anyway
14:51 <@Istrebitel> Again, your personally agreed, and project does not accept donations, we did establish that. But you didn't agree to require people to be donation free
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14:52 < pmprog_laptop> Yes, I agree
14:52 <@Istrebitel> and that's my point
14:52 < pmprog_laptop> I know
14:52 <@Istrebitel> That is because it doesn't actually matter to the project if people are taking donations, provided they don't take credit for other's work
14:53 < pmprog_laptop> We're going in circles now, even if you don't understand my points, it doesn't matter
14:53 <@Istrebitel> No, i do understand and I have debunked your points by providing counter arguments.
14:53 <@JonnyH> jeez, these arguments are why I didn't want to get money into things to start with...
14:53 <@Istrebitel> So please, figure out the real reason why you don't like it, don't hide behind fake logic.
14:53 < pmprog_laptop> It isn't fucking fake
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14:54 <@Istrebitel> Lol
14:54 <@Istrebitel> A pity really
14:55 <@Istrebitel> But money has nothing to do with it. IT has every thing to do with people having their heads entangled in unfiltered beliefs and convictions about all things, including money, and trying to justify those with logic where really no logic is applied
14:56 <@Istrebitel> Since what is really going on is that a person is just acting according to his emotional beliefs and that's it
14:56 <@pmprog> There is logic, you just can't grasp what I'm saying
14:56 <@pmprog> and it fucks me right off
14:56 <@Istrebitel> Then prove me wrong, let's discuss
14:57 <@pmprog> We have
14:57 <@pmprog> I'm tired of this shit, and no longer interested, I'll make a final post on fb, and remove my account from there angd github
14:57 <@Istrebitel> that's not discussion
14:57 <@pmprog> then you can do what the fuck you want
14:57 <@Istrebitel> that's you being butthurt, to say frankly
14:58 <@Istrebitel> you turn to emotion again, not logic and reason
14:58 <@JonnyH> kkmic: RE the irc bot, I believe it's provided by github
14:59 < kkmic> Somehow, that does not seem likely
14:59 < SupSuper> which bot
15:00 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/settings/hooks/5039874
15:00 <@JonnyH> ...probably need to be logged in and an admin of openapoc to see that...
15:00 < kkmic> Yep :)
15:00 < SupSuper> i am :p
15:01 < kkmic> I am not
15:01 < kkmic> :(
15:01 <@Istrebitel> The reality is that you have not provided any sound reason as to why project status changes from fun to something else when one of the contributors accepts a donation. Every reason you named I have countered and debunked and you have no argument to that. And now you resort to foul language and childish behavior
15:01 <@JonnyH> github repo -> settings tab at the top -> Integrations & sevices at the side
15:01 <@JonnyH> there should be "IRC" in add services?
15:01 <@JonnyH> anyway, I have a phone interview... now
15:01 < SupSuper> but yeah it's a github hook, they have various forms of reporting commits on other services
15:01 < SupSuper> we even have one in discord :o
15:01 <@JonnyH> and after that likely a big log of arguments to read over.... -_-
15:02 < kkmic> Need to go, I'll skim the log later
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05:46 < kkmic> Oh well, nothing to skim :p
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06:43 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #175: Everybody dies! (master...master) https://git.io/vd08k
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07:34 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #175: Everybody dies! (master...master) https://git.io/vd08k
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11:18 < TheSnide> Istrebitel: about the "donation" part (sorry, quite late to the party)
11:19 < TheSnide> ... I managed to "solve" it on some other FOSS project by having it more towards "subsidised" features.
12:50 < kkmic> Does anyone happen to have a vector version of this image: http://openapoc.org/styles/flatawesome/xenforo/logo.png
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08:37 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #177: Options, Loot, Research and Transportation (master...master) https://git.io/vdgia
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14:47 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 86544ce Istrebitel: falling city scenery progress
14:47 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master da2b7c1 Istrebitel: city scenery collision
14:47 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 35be9d4 Istrebitel: bug in city extract, loop in scenery collapse
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16:59 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #187: cityview controls, building improv, city update (master...master) https://git.io/vd65Z
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05:55 < Istrebitel> JonnyH, since you're reading this channel, wanted to note
05:56 < Istrebitel> I've made quite a big change to the directory structure of the project. Over the years we've added stuff on top of stuff and the way stuff was located just made no sense whatsoever. like, we had some files for types called _rules instead of _type, and other files called _rules just for no reason (they just contained some logc) while other files with same kind of logic were called just their class name
05:57 < Istrebitel> we had some files containing multiple classes that made no sense (like agent and agent type are together but vehicle/vehicletype separate) and also was clunky to naviagte
05:57 < Istrebitel> I tried moving stuff around but it doesn't seem git has handled it properly (it shows me deleting/adding files)
05:57 < Istrebitel> but as at this point I remain single active programmer I think it's now or never kind of change, as if we get someone else working on it chances will be slim to get it done easilly
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16:22 < TheSnide> Istrebitel: for git it is just a snapshot anyway. so it is the git diff algorithm that need to decide
16:22 < TheSnide> as git mostly cares about the *content* of the files. not much about the filename
16:23 < Istrebitel> well I'm worried because git shows that i delete and add a file
16:23 < Istrebitel> not that I move it
16:23 < Istrebitel> even though I did move them
16:23 < Istrebitel> maybe git doesn't understand windows move?
16:23 < TheSnide> can you push in a branch to examine ?
16:23 < TheSnide> *for me to have a look
16:24 < TheSnide> if you dont mind
16:27 < Istrebitel> well I'll push it soon but for now its in istrebitel/openapoc
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16:51 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #189: file name rework, more interface for city, economy, unlocks (master...master) https://git.io/vd1s0
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17:07 < TheSnide> Istrebitel: oh i dont mind where it is as long it is out there ;)
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17:17 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #189: file name rework, more interface for city, economy, unlocks (master...master) https://git.io/vd1s0
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18:35 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: Yeah, there was no 'plan' for the structure and changing away sounds cool to me
18:36 <@JonnyH> BTW you can 'git mv OLD_FILE NEW_FILE'
18:36 <@JonnyH> in case the git auto-move-detection didn't work
18:36 <@JonnyH> (possibly as there's a number of changes in the file made at the same time)
18:37 <@JonnyH> Also, git's diff is line based, so if you (for example) re-indent or rename something it'll think everything has changed, as it can't see the different between 'one character on each line has changed' and 'the whole line has changed'
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21:58 < TheSnide> Istrebitel: from the commit 854cae9 i can see that you didnt just move the files but also changef them
21:59 < TheSnide> .. to cope with now different include paths.
21:59 < TheSnide> ... this has been correctly handled for most of the files
22:00 < TheSnide> but next time, conmit first the move and commiy the change of includes in a subsequent commit. this will help git to sort it out correctly
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07:15 < Istrebitel> I just didn't want to commit broken state
07:15 < Istrebitel> as without file changes there would be wrong paths to headers
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08:25 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #191: fix for crash on startup, alignment of all scrolls (master...master) https://git.io/vd179
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08:30 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vd17h
08:30 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2d9d1f2 Istrebitel: fix for crash on startup, alignment of all scrolls...
08:30 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6b19820 Istrebitel: Merge pull request #191 from Istrebitel/master...
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08:41 < Lightkey> is something other than the YouTube video linkable as news entry for version 0.1?
08:44 < Istrebitel> well that one is very outdated now
08:44 < Istrebitel> a lot has been done
08:57 < Lightkey> it's just been a month and that's not answering my question.. I would have asked sooner when I saw in here that you were interested to release it but I saw nothing about it on the website anywhere or even in the channel topic where it belongs, wtf?
08:57 < Lightkey> not even a forum post
08:58 < Lightkey> no changelog in the sources
08:59 < Lightkey> really no point in doing a release then, as far as I can see
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10:06 < Istrebitel> Well I asked Jonny
10:06 < Istrebitel> and he said like "well we have a release now with appveyor set up"
10:06 < Istrebitel> so I just pointed people to that
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16:58 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/releases
16:58 <@JonnyH> that too
16:59 <@JonnyH> we can add changelogs to that every time you make a new release, and I uploaded the correct appveyor build to the "downloads"
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17:05 < TheSnide> Istrebitel: well, broken state commit is not that bad. commit state *push* is.
17:05 < TheSnide> broken*
17:06 < TheSnide> but i tend to agree
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17:51 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #193: economy, transfers, fixes (master...master) https://git.io/vd9qb
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17:55 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #193: economy, transfers, fixes (master...master) https://git.io/vd9qb
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17:57 < Istrebitel> JonnyH, if you read this, maybe you can leave an instruction for me how to properlt do the "tag" thing
17:58 < Istrebitel> I've tried "git tag", I've tried to push tags, nothing seems to have worked (at least appveyor shows nothing)
17:58 < Istrebitel> if you could give me exact commands to run in git console that would be great (commands that mark my commit as a new tag and make subsequent commits go under the tag)
17:59 < Istrebitel> if it matters, I am pushing to git using a gui and pushing to openapoc/openapoc using "create pull request" on the web site
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22:24 < SupSuper> well here comes the newest nerdgasm: http://store.steampowered.com/app/558990/Opus_Magnum/
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23:01 < scionga> !sr https://open.spotify.com/track/67Y99zZz5ClB66VFCT26Mc
23:01 < scionga> wops sorry^
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00:03 < Flacko> Hey. So I've been trying to build openapoc from master and it seems that a few include directives in some pch files are outdated.
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15:52 < TheSnide> Istrebitel: git tag 1.2.4
15:53 < TheSnide> git push 1.2.4
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19:07 < Istrebitel> didn't work, at least appveyor didn't show anything after that
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20:22 <@JonnyH> I think the github "releases" page creates a new tag
20:23 <@JonnyH> IE creating a new release, if the "tag version" doesn't match an existing tag it'll create one
20:23 <@JonnyH> and you can select a specfic revision in the "target" drop down - in "recent commits"
20:24 <@JonnyH> you can also push a tag using the cmdline
20:24 <@JonnyH> but you will have to use the upstream (IE openapoc/openapoc) remote, not your fork
20:25 <@JonnyH> e.g. if I have the "upstream" set as "git@github.com:OpenApoc/OpenApoc.git"
20:25 <@JonnyH> "git tag 1.2.3.4"
20:26 <@JonnyH> "git push upstream 1.2.3.4"
20:26 <@JonnyH> should work?
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21:42 < TheSnide> you might have to do a real tag
21:43 < TheSnide> git tag -a 1.2.3
22:07 <@JonnyH> I only used lightweight tags...
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11:57 < Istrebitel> okay can you do it somehow on openapoc/openapoc directly?
11:57 < Istrebitel> without having to change remotes
11:57 < Istrebitel> i don't want stuff to break again
11:57 < Istrebitel> If you understand how git works and it's not complicated, could you do it?
11:58 < Istrebitel> just so that whatever I pull request next gets added to a new tag automatically?
11:58 < Istrebitel> and subsequently
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13:13 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #194:  recruiting and firing agents, fixes (master...master) https://git.io/vd7N9
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13:28 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vd7x3
13:28 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 3f3f0cb Istrebitel: recruit screen, fixes...
13:28 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8061f32 Istrebitel: linux fix
13:28 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f1611dd Istrebitel: linux fix #2
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16:32 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: you can always add a second, non-default remote
16:32 <@JonnyH> ...or just use the github.com 'releases' webpage - that might be easier :P
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18:44 < _michal> JonnyH: have you seen opencrt2 opengl lighting?
18:45 < _michal> AFAIR something similar was made (as experiment i think) in ufo: tts
18:46 < _michal> where tiles, instead of one shade, had "gradient" of shade
18:47 <@JonnyH> IIRC the rct2 tiles were designed to have different lighting levels
18:47 <@JonnyH> like the cityscape tiles in apoc
18:47 < _michal> this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJxlCxnmRiU
18:47 <@JonnyH> so you can use that as the 'tint' map - and even fancier things (like lights in windows) works
18:47 < _michal> i think it's different shading than in vanilla rct2
18:48 < _michal> so, are such shading could be possible in openapoc?
18:48 <@JonnyH> yeah, instead of each tile being the "same" shade, it does it per pixel
18:48 <@JonnyH> It's perfectly possible in the cityscape... but there's no night sources there anyway
18:49 <@JonnyH> in the battlescape, however, you'll need an artist to actually draw the darker/lighter tiles, as that wasn't in the original, so there's no data to work from...
18:49 <@JonnyH> You might be able to do something a bit more general, like a tone remapping table/curve, but redrawing/recolouring the spites manually would be the "best" way
18:50 < _michal> when i saw some screens from battlescape of apoc i was shocked how bad looking some tiles were
18:50 <@JonnyH> as there are no light 'sources' in the cityscape, the only light is global, so per-pixel and per-tile lighting would look the same...
18:51 <@JonnyH> You might be able to add sources, maybe weapons fire or something would be fancy, but that's in the "perfectly do-able, but not a 1.0 feature" thing
18:51 <@JonnyH> as far as I can see the battlescape maps were crippled by the palette
18:51 <@JonnyH> having to use the *same* palette for all possible tiles in a map....
18:52 <@JonnyH> In xcom and tftd, they had a "stronger" aesthetic, so a reduced colour map didn't matter so much - cartoonie and "blue" :P
18:52 <@JonnyH> openapoc allows any tile to use any palette, or even just rgb images, so we don't have that restriction
18:52 <@JonnyH> but the source art is all drawn like that... and I'm not going to redraw/recolour *eveything*
18:52 < _michal> maybe someone will redraw some tiles in future
18:54 < _michal> also, why they were crippled by pallete?
18:54 < _michal> when x-com apoc was released?
18:54 < _michal> shouldn't they used 16 / 24 bpp ?
19:01 <@JonnyH> It still used the vga palette, so 256 entries of 18-bit (rgb 666) colour
19:01 <@JonnyH> no way a 486 could have pushed that many pixels
19:12 < pmprog_laptop> I don't see why you couldn't just decrease the rgb components of each pixel in the block as you render it (or do it via a shader). It won't look as good as if it was drawn with the darker shades, but might be a quick fix
19:13 <@JonnyH> Yeah, that's kinda what I mean by tone mapping..
19:14 <@JonnyH> just the simpliest, linear curve :P
19:14 <@JonnyH> if you could ID colours that tend to mean "lights" (white? Bright yellow?) you might scale them differently, for example
19:15 <@JonnyH> and most people tend to "expect" things to become more blue when it's darker....
19:15 < pmprog_laptop> I guess the good thing is because all the tiles are designed for "daylight", you don't have to worry about "brightening" tiles
19:15 <@JonnyH> the current palette interpolation code is effectively a 256-colour linear tonemapping table :P
19:16 <@JonnyH> you just upload a "darkened" version of the paltte, set the interpolation based on how dark it should be, and bam it'll "work"
19:16 <@JonnyH> but currently that's considered global, adding it to a per-tile variable wouldn't be too hard...
19:17 <@JonnyH> or even per-vertex if you want the in-tile "fade" as showin in the RCT2 screenshot
19:17 < pmprog_laptop> How's the job situ going?
19:17 <@JonnyH> Accepted an offer,
19:17 <@JonnyH> (conditional on visa)
19:17 < pmprog_laptop> Congrats!
19:17 <@JonnyH> as the visa *must* be employer sponsored, and they seemed to the the most willing to throw lawyers at me
19:18 <@JonnyH> but finding a job was never a problem...
19:18 <@JonnyH> It's the "will the immigration services let me work?"
19:18 <@JonnyH> and that's still not final yet
19:18 < pmprog_laptop> Well, I hope it pans out
19:18 <@JonnyH> If it all goes well, I'll be working for AMD in a few weeks :P
19:18 < pmprog_laptop> Ohh nice
19:18 < pmprog_laptop> Can you say what doing?
19:19 <@JonnyH> mac drivers
19:19 <@JonnyH> Well, they've not told me *not* to say anything... 
19:19 < pmprog_laptop> I figured probably as much which is why I asked if you could say :)
19:19 <@JonnyH> TBH they seem pretty desperate... An offer the day after the single interview is pretty crazy
19:20 < pmprog_laptop> I guess that's good news for you then
19:20 <@JonnyH> and the boss phoned me the other day and said even if the visa doesn't work out, he's open to remote positions...
19:20 <@JonnyH> Probably could have got an even better deal though :P
19:20 <@JonnyH> but I didn't want to play around, and miss a visa deadline or something silly...
19:21 <@JonnyH> plus there's a decent amount of goodwill of lining up lawyers, paying extra $$ for premium processing etc.
19:21 < pmprog_laptop> Cool
19:21 <@JonnyH> TBH a "bay area" salary in the north-easy would be pretty sweet....
19:22 <@JonnyH> but it's still an internation move, and leaving everyone behind here etc.
19:22 <@JonnyH> (could probably buy half of middlesborough)
19:22 < pmprog_laptop> :)
20:28 < pmprog_laptop> Heading bed. Later
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09:33 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9da22bc Istrebitel: improved pathfinding for road vehicles...
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17:51 < FranciscoDA> Hey, I'm implementing the item view in the transaction screen and I'm stuck trying to get the stats from a VehicleType
17:53 < FranciscoDA> I tried instancing a new Vehicle with default equipment but I got std::bad_weak_ptr exception. Any suggestions?
18:40 < Istrebitel> generally we're using StateRefs to reference stuff
18:40 < Istrebitel> well or shared pointers
18:40 < Istrebitel> if you want to display item in the view, you generally have a reference to whatever you're trying to display
18:41 < Istrebitel> like, if it's onHover, it has the control that raised the event, and control itself has getData<T> to give you the associated data, which will be whatever was set in code when control was created
18:41 < Istrebitel> which should be sp to VehicleType in this case
18:41 < Istrebitel> so you have auto vehType = RaisedBy->getData<VehicleType<() and you have your vehType->something to get all stats you want
18:42 < Istrebitel> On a side note
18:42 < Istrebitel> if you want to implement that, its wonderful, but even better, I think we should implement every single screen like that as a single interface
18:43 < FranciscoDA> yea, I have the sp to the vehicletype, I just want to use those getWeight(), getAccuracy(), etc. methods in the Vehicle class without repeating 10k lines of code. lol
18:43 < Istrebitel> right now we have agent display in BattlePreStart, agent display in AEquipScreen, item display in AEquipScreen and VEquipScreen implemented, and item/agent display in transaction screen and agent display in recruit screen TBD
18:44 < Istrebitel> and we have different forms (like one form for ammo, one for armor, one for weapons, one for agents etc) all over the place
18:44 < Istrebitel> it would be nice just to have one form which you use for any display, and display function to display an object into the form that is called from everywhere, like ControlGenerator generates controls used everywhere
18:45 < Istrebitel> about your question now
18:45 < Istrebitel> I see what you mean
18:45 < Istrebitel> you want to get weight with default equipment on
18:45 < Istrebitel> and accuracy with default equipment on etc
18:45 < FranciscoDA> exactly
18:45 < Istrebitel> when buying a vehicleType
18:45 < Istrebitel> (a non-existant vehicle spawned when you purchase it)
18:45 < Istrebitel> I think it's a better idea to implement those methods for the VehicleType class
18:46 < Istrebitel> getDefaultWeight(), getDefaultAccuracy() and whatever else
18:46 < Istrebitel> because creating Vehicle object just to get that is a cludge
18:46 < FranciscoDA> Heh, ok
18:46 < Istrebitel> but anyways could you paste your code so I could ook at it? you shouldn't be getting that error
18:47 < Istrebitel> auto vehicle = mksp<Vehicle>();
18:47 < Istrebitel> vehicle->type = vehicleTypeYouGot;// of type StateRef<VehicleType>
18:47 < Istrebitel> vehicle->equipDefaultEquipment(state);
18:47 < Istrebitel> vehicle->getWeight()
18:47 < Istrebitel> this is what I'd do
18:47 < Istrebitel> this should not throw bad_weak_pointer
18:48 < Istrebitel> but again, this is not a good way to do it
18:48 < Istrebitel> but still, show me your code, maybe I can say what was the error
18:48 < FranciscoDA> hmm, I was allocating the vehicle on the stack
18:49 < FranciscoDA> can't, I deleted it and replaced with some dummy code ;(
18:49 < Istrebitel> well we mostly use mksp<> to allocate stuff
18:50 < Istrebitel> we only use normal allocation/pointers in performance-sensitive parts like pathfinding
18:50 < Istrebitel> bad_weak_pointer, AFAIK, means whaveter weak pointer was pointing to was deallocated
18:50 < Istrebitel> so you (or some of our code) was deallocating stuff before accessing it
18:51 < FranciscoDA> It seemed like the exception only occurred with vehicles that had weapons by default
18:52 < FranciscoDA> ie. the exception wouldn't occur when hovering the turbo bike
18:52 < Istrebitel> I'm sorry I have to go now. Very nice to see someone else also contributing! If you have any questions just ask and I'll answer when I can. However, at least for me, irc log can be lost if power goes out or something. So if you could, make a post on forum and ask there, or make github issues
18:53 < Istrebitel> If you ever have a problematic code you just can't figure out, commit it and throw a link to that commit, then anyone can get that commit and see it for himself, while you can immediately commit a new commit which undoes it
18:53 < FranciscoDA> Ok, thanks man
18:54 < Istrebitel> h,,
18:54 < Istrebitel> hmm
18:54 < Istrebitel> Exception thrown by shared_ptr's constructor when constructed with an expired weak_ptr.
18:54 < Istrebitel> so bad_weak_pointer means you were creating a shared_pointer from weak_pointer
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18:54 < Istrebitel> either calling lock() or assigning weak pointer to shared pointer
18:54 < Istrebitel> was exception pointing to your own code
18:54 < Istrebitel> ?
18:55 < Istrebitel> or something inside already existing code?
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18:59 < FranciscoDA> hmm
18:59 < FranciscoDA> I tried using the shared pointer version this time
19:00 < FranciscoDA> Got a popup saying "No vehicle matching pointer 0x..."
19:02 < FranciscoDA> static const OpenApoc::UString& OpenApoc::Vehicle::getId(const OpenApoc::GameState&, OpenApoc::sp<OpenApoc::Vehicle>): No vehicle matching pointer 0x561c65953550
19:04 < FranciscoDA> 				auto vehicle = mksp<Vehicle>(); 				vehicle->type = StateRef<VehicleType>(state.get(), control->itemId); 				vehicle->equipDefaultEquipment(*state);
19:59 < Istrebitel> ok
19:59 < Istrebitel> so in some places in code we convert pointers to shared pointers
19:59 < Istrebitel> i mean to staterefs
19:59 < Istrebitel> to store them
19:59 < Istrebitel> StateRefs were created since we needed to store links to objects in files
19:59 < Istrebitel> not copies of objects
20:00 < Istrebitel> so if we, say, serialize an Agent, which references Vehicle he's in, and Building, which references Vehicle parked in it, we serialise a reference to it, not the object itself
20:00 < Istrebitel> and we know which object to actuallys erialise because those are stored as shared pointers, not staterefs
20:01 < Istrebitel> so a StateRef-using object is stored somewhere in a StateRefMap, which is just a std::map<UString, sp<ObjectType>> and StateRef has a gamestate and UString id, and it looks in this gamestate for the id to acquire actual object pointer
20:01 < Istrebitel> so why does it fail in your case?
20:01 < Istrebitel> because you equip something
20:02 < Istrebitel> when equipping, VEquipment has to reference Vehicle it's equipped on
20:02 < Istrebitel> in vehicle.cpp:3417
20:02 < Istrebitel> weapon is assigned an owner, which is the vehicle weilding it
20:03 < Istrebitel> so that weapon doesn't have to be passed vehicle object that fires it/uses it every time it's method it used
20:04 < Istrebitel> and so, if you equip vehicle with anything, you store this vehicle properly in a StateRefMap, otherwise it tries to obtain StateRef of this vehicle, and to do that it tries to find which entry in StateRefMap contains shared pointer to this vehicle, and fails since this vehicle is not present there
20:04 < Istrebitel> tjat
20:04 < Istrebitel> that's why it bugged for weapons and didn't bug for non-weapon equipped vehicles
20:04 < Istrebitel> since owner only matters to a weapon
20:04 < Istrebitel> it's only assigned on a weapon
20:04 < Istrebitel> and so equipping something else does not try to obtain STateRef of vehicle and doesn't get that error
20:05 < Istrebitel> so yeah, my code was actually incorrect too
20:05 < Istrebitel> since I forgot we are assigning owners to weapons
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20:41 < FranciscoDA> Ok, I just implemented the getDefaultWeight/Accuracy/etc methods in the VehicleType class and went that route instead
20:45 < FranciscoDA> I'll send a pull request when I'm done with vehicle equipment
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17:12 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #208: improved p[athfinding and fixes (master...master) https://git.io/vdxdB
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17:12 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vdxdR
17:12 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a13912f Istrebitel: road pathfinding fixes...
17:12 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6a3803f Istrebitel: improved cityscape pathfinding, fuel, fixes...
17:12 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9d95865 Istrebitel: Merge pull request #208 from Istrebitel/master...
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17:47 < FranciscoDA> About vehicle accuracy equipment: I noticed that OpenApoc decreases module efficiency in reverse exponential fashion (1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, ...) but from what I see in the GUI, seems that XCOMA decreases module efficiency like 1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, ...
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17:50 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #209: enter/exit alien dimensions (master...master) https://git.io/vdxpe
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17:52 < Istrebitel> that might be a bug
17:53 < Istrebitel> I wasn't the one who implemented it or studied the code to figure out how it works. Maybe they figured out vanilla display is wrong or maybe they implemented it in a wrong way, I don't know
17:54 < Istrebitel> there were bugs in vanilla, you know, like, weapon ranges for tactical weapons are divided by 16 (like vehicle ranges) even though they should be divided by 24 (since in battle tile width is different than that of the city)
17:54 < Istrebitel> so when it says range on toxigun is 50 that's actually 33, and so on
17:55 < Istrebitel> because it's dividing 800 by 16 and it should divide it by 24
17:55 < Istrebitel> easiest way to test would be to fire some long-range weapon in manual mode while staying in place
17:55 < Istrebitel> achieving 100% accuracy should provide pinpoint shots 100% of the time
17:56 < Istrebitel> so you can test same scenario where vanilla shows one value and openapoc the other value, and if one of those values is 100, you will be able to see who's wrong
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18:08 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f6ccd97 Istrebitel: enter/exit alien dimensions
18:08 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 10ba23e Istrebitel: Merge pull request #209 from Istrebitel/master...
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19:27 < SupSuper> http://aras-p.info/blog/2017/10/23/Best-unknown-MSVC-flag-d2cgsummary/
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20:32 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] FranciscoDA opened pull request #210: Add item view in transaction screen (master...master) https://git.io/vdpWt
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20:44 < FranciscoDA> hmm, the CI build is failing because I modified a few pch files to compile
20:52 < SupSuper>  LogError("Vehicle %s has zero weight", this->name);
20:52 < SupSuper> home/travis/build/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/game/state/rules/city/vehicletype.h:175:4: error: use of undeclared identifier 'LogError'
20:52 < SupSuper>  LogError("Vehicle %s has zero weight", this->name);
20:52 < SupSuper> headers are fickle mistresses
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21:44 < FranciscoDA> that's odd. It compiles fine on my end. I'm using gcc if that makes any difference...
21:46 <@JonnyH> The CI system disables PCHs
21:46 <@JonnyH> so it's likely the vehicletype.h header uses LogError, but doesn't inlude "framework/logger.h"
21:47 <@JonnyH> (it interacted poorly with the ccache stuff the CI uses, which was a 'better' speedup than the pch :)
21:47 < FranciscoDA> oh lol
21:48 <@JonnyH> I think you can disable in in cmake - "ENABLE_COTIRE"?
21:49 <@JonnyH> or something similar. Can't remember the exact variable - it'll be in the travis-ci build script though
21:56 < FranciscoDA> I see. I'll just add the missing header, then
21:59 < FranciscoDA> what about the linter errors though?
22:10 <@JonnyH> install clang-format? Use that to format the sources files before adding to git?
22:16 <@JonnyH> make sure it's the righe version - 4.0
22:16 <@JonnyH> if you're using cmake, there's a "format-sources" target you can use
22:17 < FranciscoDA> oh, i see. thanks
22:18 <@JonnyH> the CI stuff *should* run on pull requests... so it should be possible to fix this stuff before merging...
22:18 <@JonnyH> but it looks like master is broken for me?
22:21 <@JonnyH> Oh no, master's fine :)
22:21 <@JonnyH> I was looking at the wrong thing.. ignore me
22:21 <@JonnyH> If you have more than one version of clang-format, e.g. ubuntu has "clang-format-4.0" for versions, and "clang-format" is always the lastest (which might be wrong)
22:21 <@JonnyH> you can set the CLANG_FORMAT variable in cmake for that
22:22 <@JonnyH> as, unfortunately, even with the same config clang-format changes it's output slightly between versions -_-
22:24 <@JonnyH> anyway, I've gotta run for a bit - I'll read logs if you have any other questions :)
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22:29 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] FranciscoDA closed pull request #210: Add item view in transaction screen (master...master) https://git.io/vdpWt
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15:00 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] FranciscoDA opened pull request #212: Display item in transaction screen (master...master) https://git.io/vdhxR
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15:04 < 92AACAPAG> OpenApoc/master f00dd48 Istrebitel: small fix
15:04 < 92AACAPAG> OpenApoc/master 647aaec Istrebitel: Merge pull request #211 from Istrebitel/master...
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15:04 < 7GHAAX5PX> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel closed pull request #211: small fix (master...master) https://git.io/vdh9g
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16:39 < FranciscoDA> So I got it to compile but I had to comment out the call to LogError...
16:40 <@JonnyH> That's a weird one...
16:40 <@JonnyH> I have a few mins, so I'll have a quick look now...
16:41 < FranciscoDA> Unfortunately I have to go right now. I'll be back in a few hours
16:45 <@JonnyH> adding #include "framework/logger.h" to vehicletype.h seems to help for me...
16:46 <@JonnyH> though the error is misleading, as logger.h was included, but *afteR* the template was defined, it goes on talking about how "there are no arguments to 'LogError' that depend on a template parameter"
16:47 <@JonnyH> If LogError happened to depend on IterT for some reason, it wouldn't be expanded until it's template instantiation, which would probably be after the logger.h include, so it "would" work
16:47 <@JonnyH> is what i think that's saying...
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17:44 < Istrebitel> JonnyH, will you accept the pull request when Francisco comes back?
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20:28 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: Sure, I've not really looked at it much or tested it
20:28 <@JonnyH> but so long as it doesn't immediately explode it's not like people care about regressions right now :P
22:49 < FranciscoDA> oh wtf, I thought I had included that file, lol
22:51 < FranciscoDA> well I just committed the change
22:57 < FranciscoDA> BTW, the travis banner thingy in the readme shows as build|error. What does that mean? Sorry I'm kind of a noob
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02:39 <@JonnyH> the last CI build failed becuase it failed to update the ubuntu compiler... :(
02:39 <@JonnyH> Nothing to do with us, it just "happens" every now and then...
02:41 <@JonnyH> any chance you could rebase/squash the commits into "logical" chunks?
02:42 <@JonnyH> IE merge all the "fixed includes" and "fixed formatting" changes into the functional commits?
02:43 <@JonnyH> but that's more a nitpick - I like 'clean' history :P
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12:00 < FranciscoDA> So I was thinking we could have something like a <subform> tag to reuse already existing forms in different screens. Besides, Form already inherits from Control
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12:45 < Istrebitel> maybe that would be useful, yes
12:46 < Istrebitel> BTW, its nice to see someone contributing to OpenApoc! Thank you very much
12:46 < Istrebitel> I have made a list of most important features to be done https://trello.com/c/ccBtFiKa/61-road-to-fully-playable-state
12:46 < Istrebitel> to reach playable state
12:46 < Istrebitel> of these I will implement scenery repair and agents healing/training, but if you want to tackle something else, that would be great
12:55 < FranciscoDA> I see. I have no idea how to implement any of those features though, lol
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21:50 < Istrebitel> JonnyH, if you could look at issues I have assigned you to, and comment on it, that would be great
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02:04 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] FranciscoDA opened pull request #217: Implement <subform> tag in forms (master...master) https://git.io/vFfzY
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06:24 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 51cb8cd FranciscoDA: ignore vim swap files in .gitignore
06:24 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 1f551e5 FranciscoDA: allow subforms in forms
06:24 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7e00230 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #217 from FranciscoDA/master...
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14:43 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Istrebitel opened pull request #219: fixes, training and alien dimension improvements (master...master) https://git.io/vFJwk
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14:56 < FranciscoDA> Hey, I noticed that when calculating weapon range in the UI we are dividing it by VELOCITY_SCALE_BATTLE.x
14:57 < FranciscoDA> how does that work?
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14:59 < FranciscoDA> I think it's bogus, it reports different values than vanilla
15:03 < Istrebitel> yes it does
15:03 < Istrebitel> vanilla is wrong
15:03 < Istrebitel> ranges in apocalypse are stored in ticks
15:03 < Istrebitel> i mean, in voxels
15:04 < Istrebitel> cityscape ranges are therefore to be divided by cityscape tile width, and battlescape ranges by battlescape tile width, in order to figure out the range in tiles
15:04 < Istrebitel> but vanilla divided battlescape ranges  by 16 for some reason, which is wrong, as battlescape tile width is 24
15:05 < FranciscoDA> ah I see
15:05 < Istrebitel> you can try it yourself, launch vanilla, try to fire a weapon at distance (slums map works well or a ufo map), you will see that your weapon range won't match vanilla display
15:05 < Istrebitel> toxigun displays 50 but fires at about 33
15:05 < Istrebitel> vanilla also displays vehicle weapon ranges as just divided by 2
15:05 < Istrebitel> which makes no sense whatsoever, as that's basically a value that is 16 times the value of range in tiles
15:06 < Istrebitel> no use to a player as it's not that simple to convert it in your head by dividing by 16
15:06 < Istrebitel> I decided this is a bug and didn't implement it, instead implementing proper ranges everywhere (ranges in tiles)
15:08 < FranciscoDA> ok, I'll just wrap that in a method then. It's quite tedious to have that calculation all over
15:08 < FranciscoDA> *all over the code
15:09 < Istrebitel> makes sense
15:09 < Istrebitel> I was in a hurry when I was re-implementing that
15:09 < Istrebitel> as before half code used a method, half code didn't
15:10 < Istrebitel> make sure not to break range calculations though, range calculated by tileobject's getdistance are in voxels, range calculated by glm::length of position difference is in tiles, in most places range should be calculated in voxels (to properly calcualte ranges up and down, like, in city range from 0,0,0 to 5,0,0 is the same as from 0,0,0 to 0,0,10
15:11 < Istrebitel> so when you implement getting range which returns range in tiles, it's mostly to be used in the UI, while the game should use actual range (and compare it to either getDistance output of tileObject , or glm::length of position different multiplied by scale)
15:11 < Istrebitel> maybe you'll find a bug too, when this is not the case
15:12 < FranciscoDA> I'll avoid touching any battlescape code
15:13 < FranciscoDA> It's likely i'll do more harm than good otherwise. lol
15:26 < FranciscoDA> btw, what was that crash you were having in the last youtube gameplay?
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00:59 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] FranciscoDA opened pull request #224: use subforms in a/vequipscreen and transactionscreen for stats (master...master) https://git.io/vFk7c
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08:24 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ef7e44b Istrebitel: fix TU cost to fire
08:24 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f0ce708 Istrebitel: Merge pull request #226 from Istrebitel/master...
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13:29 < franciscoda1> is it possible for AEquipment::getFireCost to return 0?
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17:24 < franciscoda> it seems that ufopaedia entries for agent equipment don't have the id of the equipmenttype set (for the stateref)
17:30 < SupSuper> agent equipment is a late addition
17:46 < franciscoda> how/where are the entries populated? i'm trying to add agent equipment stats in the ufopaedia
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18:04 < SupSuper> every ufopaedia has a data_id and data_type which ties it to game data. you'll have to add them yourself to the ufopaedia.xml, and then you can access and populate stuff in UfopaediaCategoryView
18:07 < franciscoda> ah i see, the data_ids are missing indeed. thx
18:08 < SupSuper> yeah afaik there's no way tu automatically guess them, but it's just a bit of busy work
18:09 < SupSuper> if it's consistent you could just replace the ufopaedia prefix with the type prefix, but who knows if everyone's been consistent :p
18:33 < franciscoda> fortunately, that seems to be the case :)
18:42 < franciscoda> *for the most part
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20:44 < franciscoda> i noticed there is an EquipmentSet class in aequipmenttype.h. Is there any chance i can use that to get the full armor set from a single piece of armor?
21:26 < franciscoda> it seems not :(
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17:50 < franciscoda> what's this appveyor business?
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18:25 <@JonnyH> appveyor is the CI build for windows
18:26 <@JonnyH> they offer free builds for open-source projects, and the build steps are all in the openapoc git
18:26 <@JonnyH> so if you sign into appveyor you can enable it on your fork, and you can get it to build and host a .zip file with all the data & executables in you can sent to people to test :)
18:27 <@JonnyH> I plan (sometime soon?) to add it to the PR builds too, like travis is for linux
18:31 < franciscoda> oh i see
18:31 < franciscoda> i shall do that then
18:56 < franciscoda> btw, i tried to implement agent equipment in the ufopaedia but i got stuck trying to get the full armor set from a single armor part
18:57 < franciscoda> so i can display the protection values for all the armor parts in a single page
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19:38 <@JonnyH> I don't think there's currently a link in the game data - it may have to be added...
19:39 <@JonnyH> The EquipmentSets stuff is more for the "default" equipment of npcs and starting agents, not logically grouped components, so may not be useful directly
20:23 < franciscoda> yeah it took me a while to figure that out lol
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15:02 <@JonnyH> makus_: I tried adding Istrebitel to the youtube too but it didn't seem to work
15:03 <@JonnyH> and as he's doing most of the work (and videos) right now unless he can get them on the openapoc channel it kinda makes it a little useless...
15:04 <@JonnyH> and it looks like the issues rss needs login credentials from a "watching" account to work
15:05 <@JonnyH> you might be able to make a "throwaway" openapoc-bot account on github or something to workaround?
15:05 < makus_> dont know about git bots
15:06 < makus_> so then only Mark can add this on github?
15:06 < makus_> like enter to settings and add
15:07 < makus_> i know only simplest way ) its add webhuck from discord )
15:07 <@JonnyH> the stackoverflow you linked talked about using the "https://github.com/username.private.actor.atom?token=somehextoken" uri
15:09 <@JonnyH> but I can add webhooks
15:10 <@JonnyH> do you know what events/settings the discord webhook wants?
15:10 < makus_> add pls)
15:11 < makus_> i can loo
15:11 < makus_> k
15:12 < makus_> oh i get it
15:12 < makus_> select all ) commits and issues
15:12 < makus_> like
15:13 <@JonnyH> it also says the delivery failed
15:13 <@JonnyH> "{"code": 50006, "message": "Cannot send an empty message"}"
15:13 < makus_> "https://github.com/username.private.actor.atom?token=somehextoken" andd about this i  thoud thati its for github repo owner only
15:13 < makus_> but if not i l doit
15:13 <@JonnyH> makus_: I /think/ that should work for any user 'watching' the repository - not just the owner
15:14 <@JonnyH> at least for the things that user can see - and all issues etc. are public on openapoc anyway
15:14 < makus_> https://discordapp.com/api/webhooks/373968150523543554/LoxV4KrXcmT-SlmJzOgOQh2iPEorgQoDFSIqtQVPNv_jIX7Hgx7PN8gbicqmvYodvGus
15:14 < makus_> dono there not many setting only choose channel to where post and name bot
15:15 < makus_> oh here
15:15 < makus_> https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/214602687/addStuff.png
15:15 < makus_> https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/228383668
15:15 < makus_> here article how to
15:16 <@JonnyH> aah, you need "/github" at the end of the webhook url
15:16 <@JonnyH> seems to work now...
15:18 < makus_> nice =] ty
15:19 < makus_> and about YT
15:19 < makus_> i think Mark dont give you login and pass from his own gmail acc yt acc
15:20 < makus_> so if h add you as admin to administrate only OA channel then you just cant i think add other admins ..
15:26 <@JonnyH> It seemed to work adding pmprog...
15:26 <@JonnyH> and it allows me to "add new user" - I pasted in his email, and he never received it
15:27 <@JonnyH> weird, as it auto-read his name off google plus with that email, so *some* part of google recognises it as the correct email...
15:31 < makus_> so when you open OpenApoc YT channel settings
15:31 < makus_> you dont see this ?
15:31 < makus_> http://joxi.ru/RmzkxJdT0DJaW2.jpg
15:33 < makus_> or Mark create for OA YT channel separate own gmail Acc?
15:33 < makus_> and Openapoc channel first channel on this acc?
15:33 < makus_> then in this case you dont find options to add admins in settings
15:34 <@JonnyH> https://imgur.com/a/xh0cL
15:34 <@JonnyH> I added him, he hasn't "Accepted" as it doesn't show him being added on his end...
15:35 < makus_> lol =]
15:35 < makus_> then
16:03 < franciscoda> so i added a few files and the windows build broke
16:03 < franciscoda> it reports unresolved external symbols as if they weren't defined
16:04 < franciscoda> but the log shows that the .cpp files are being compiled ???
16:04 < franciscoda> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/FranciscoDA/openapoc
16:20 <@JonnyH> makus_: I went through the git history and tried to list what people worked on
16:20 <@JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/credits.txt
16:21 <@JonnyH> It's not great - like "Game UI" could be from "writing half of it" to "A single screen"
16:21 <@JonnyH> but it gives the areas people worked on
16:24 < makus_> awesome list)
16:24 < makus_> Hey Francisco =]
16:24 < franciscoda> hi :)
16:25 <@JonnyH> Probably add yourself on the end for web stuff too :)
16:25 < makus_> Glad that you joined the project
16:25 < makus_> yep i dont forget about me))
16:25 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I feel bad that I can't help out much recently myself franciscoda 
16:26 < makus_> btw
16:27 < makus_> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/JonnyH/openapoc-iq0ey somthing boken here =]
16:27 <@JonnyH> makus_: that's just a PR - looks like the issue franciscoda mentioned earlier on his work
16:28 <@JonnyH> Master is still working fine
16:28 < franciscoda> i'm pretty sure i screwed up on those .vcxproj files
16:28 <@JonnyH> I don't really know much about msvc, sorry...
16:28 < franciscoda> neither do i
16:29 < franciscoda> hopefully istrebitel does?
16:29 <@JonnyH> Oh, you have 2 files called agentsheet.cpp
16:29 <@JonnyH> Even if they're in other directories, for some reason the msvc build outputs the .obj to the same directory, overwriting one of them
16:30 <@JonnyH> wait.. no...
16:30 <@JonnyH> Ignore that, it seems that they're just linked twice?
16:30 <@JonnyH> maybe that's what causing it to screw up?
16:30 < franciscoda> damn
16:31 < franciscoda> that's strange, i only declared it once in the .vcxproj
16:32 <@JonnyH> Ooh, you set the agentsheet.h as <ClCompile> not <ClInclue> in the .vcxproj
16:32 <@JonnyH> so it *is* overwriting the .obj of the cpp with a new .obj of "just" the header
16:32 <@JonnyH> same with aequipmentsheet.h from waht I can see
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16:36 < franciscoda> ok i just pushed the fix
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16:37 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH opened pull request #229: Add appveyor (windows) build badge (master...WIP/appveyor-badge-readme) https://git.io/vFtAx
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16:38 <@JonnyH> If you force-push over the same branch it'll automatically update the PR connected with that too
16:38 <@JonnyH> and makus_ looks like discord integration is working - it spotted that PR
16:41 < makus_> https://discord.gg/zJQswtA yay its works)
16:42 < makus_> pls join who have discord )
16:43 < makus_> yep work fine Jonny now people will have something to see and discuss)
16:43 < makus_> oh and here works too nice
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17:14 < makus_> https://discord.gg/zJQswtA this correct link prev was broken or somthing
17:27 < makus_> if only we can join all chats in one )) like irc slack and discord ))
17:28 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I kinda like irc as I use freenode for other projects, and I can idle pretty much all day
17:28 <@JonnyH> discord doesn't work on my linux :(
17:28 < makus_> ye i know) .. but who then in discord now?
17:29 <@JonnyH> I have a laptop and desktop :)
17:29 < makus_> jtrhamilton#3092 wich this .... oh ) so you and insteribitel got devs and admins roles
17:29 < makus_> there
17:29 <@JonnyH> It's just a pain to remember to open it, and I'm not using my laptop for anything else
17:30 < makus_> still you got it)
17:30 <@JonnyH> Yeah, but I'm probably going to be looking at dolphin on android this afternoon, and my dev tools are in linux,and I use my laptop as a testbench for that...
17:33 < makus_> I understand.. this programmers' struggle =]
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19:10 < Solbu> Does compiling the game require the cd.iso file?
19:11 < Solbu> I'm attempting to creata an RPM package, for inclusion in Mageia, but cmake complains on no cd.iso
19:12 <@JonnyH> Yes, the data "extraction" from tables in the .exe is done at build time
19:12 <@JonnyH> and that requires the cd
19:13 <@JonnyH> you could manually build the "OpenApoc" target
19:13 <@JonnyH> then run the OpenApoc_DataExtractor tool at install time, if you want to be fancy...
19:14 < Solbu> I see. This means we can't package it. :-)
19:15 < Solbu> It need to be installable without having the cd.iso.
19:15 <@JonnyH> Hmm, I guess the install target depends on .all
19:15 <@JonnyH> Does cmake generate a per-target install target too?
19:15 < Solbu> I have no idea. :-)
19:16 <@JonnyH> It's been on my todo list to move that to make it optionally part of the build, and add some "first run" detection or something
19:16 < Solbu> That would be nice.
19:16 <@JonnyH> but we're only just starting to get the point where it's worth packaging it (IE it's useful to someone who isn't a dev)
19:16 <@JonnyH> the current setup is dev-focused, not really user-focused...
19:17 < Solbu> The first 3 x-com games is my all times favourite games.
19:17 <@JonnyH> Same with the cd path selection, throwing up a "select file" dialog is better than an error message :)
19:17 < Solbu> I love the realtime option in apoc.
19:17 <@JonnyH> there's a "minimal" cd.iso I put together
19:17 < Solbu> I know. jhehe
19:17 < Solbu> I think I have it.
19:17 <@JonnyH> that /only/ contains the stuff required for the build dependencies - so you can't run the game with it
19:18 <@JonnyH> TBH as the data format settles down, having a generated set of data checked-in to git probably makes sense
19:27 < Solbu> The upcomming «first run deteciton» option you mentioned, could look for the game iso in a few folders, such as in /usr/share/games/openapoc/data/ and ~/.local/share/openapoc/data/
19:27 < Solbu> That way those who chose to, like me can package the iso in rpm for local deployments.
19:28 < Solbu> I do the same for the data files required for openxcom.
19:29 <@JonnyH> It the data directory already defaults to "${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/OpenApoc"
19:29 < Solbu> Aha. :-)
19:30 <@JonnyH> It'll be pretty simple to make that a list - we already use physfs for the fs 'overlay' stuff
19:30 <@JonnyH> (and the "cd" path and "data" path are just index [0] and [1] in that - making it of arbitrary length is perfectly do-able)
19:31 <@JonnyH> just the cmake checks if the CD_PATH exists, and will error out the build if it's missing
19:31 <@JonnyH> but you could workaround that by creating an empty file there - if the dataextractor doesn't run, or if another data folder has the files it needs from the cd already...
19:32 <@JonnyH> I use gentoo myself, so "packaging" isn't a thing so much as a "reproduce-able build script"
19:32 <@JonnyH> so if there's stuff that'll make your life easier just let me know :)
19:33 < Solbu> :-)
19:33 < Solbu> Haven't tried the game yet, but I've been enjoying Istrebitel's video updates.
19:34 <@JonnyH> If you end up writing a cpack/whatever spec files feel free to submit them
19:34 < Solbu> Sure.
19:34 <@JonnyH> I could add that as a build pass on travis and keep the artifacts somewhere...
19:34 <@JonnyH> as currently travis just builds & runs some quick tests
19:34 <@JonnyH> it doesn't keep the binaries anywhere
19:36 < Solbu> I started learning and doing packaging for Mandriva in the spring of 2010, because I wanted to update the ancient ufoai package. And now I maintain allmost 50 packages for Mageia.
19:36 < Solbu> and I still don't know how to do programming. :-)
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22:10 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] redv opened pull request #230: refactoring of RecruitScreen (master...recruitscreen) https://git.io/vFYdt
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23:29 < franciscoda> so i was testing the windows build of OpenApoc in windows
23:30 <@JonnyH> oh?
23:30 < franciscoda> i was surprised when i found out that the sound is not actually terrible like in linux
23:30 <@JonnyH> huh, the sound works for me in linux...
23:31 < franciscoda> i'm using pulseaudio if that matters
23:31 < franciscoda> but i only hear sound effects on my right speaker
23:31 < franciscoda> and like extremely loud
23:31 <@JonnyH> Maybe it's a optimisation thing? On debug (w/no optimisations) on a slow/heavily loaded system the callback may miss the deadline..
23:31 <@JonnyH> Huh, that sounds more like we're not doing stereo setup right
23:32 <@JonnyH> Have you got surround sound or something enabled?
23:32 <@JonnyH> Maybe it's mis-detecting the channels..
23:32 < franciscoda> i think not? i don't understand jack of linux's audio system. i'm lucky i even managed to set it up on arch
23:33 <@JonnyH> we just rely on SDL's abstractions
23:34 < franciscoda> maybe i should try other sdl games and see if it persists
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23:53 < franciscoda> W 248593380 virtual OpenApoc::SoundBackend* {anonymous}::SDLRawBackendFactory::create(): Creating SDLRaw sound backend (Might have issues!)
23:53 < franciscoda> W 255011929 {anonymous}::SDLRawBackend::SDLRawBackend(): Changing audio drivers is not currently implemented!
23:53 < franciscoda> W 255074367 {anonymous}::SDLRawBackend::SDLRawBackend(): Selecting audio devices not currently implemented! Selecting first available device.
23:54 <@JonnyH> that's normal
23:55 <@JonnyH> we just use the first device sdl returns
23:55 <@JonnyH> as we haven't got the options ui setup to change that :P
23:55 <@JonnyH> and the first one is the "Default" (as set in windows or pulseaudio) so it makes sense most of the time
23:57 < franciscoda> hm
23:57 < franciscoda> it's kinda strange, video and music playback are fine
23:58 <@JonnyH> just sfx?
23:58 <@JonnyH> weird - it should use the same mixing code...
23:58 < franciscoda> yeah, like clicking on buttons or battlescape sounds
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05:59 < franciscoda> ok
05:59 < franciscoda> i think i'm onto something here
06:00 < franciscoda> i see that we're converting the u8 raw sound data to the device format using sdl
06:00 < franciscoda> for samples
06:01 < franciscoda> however, if an apropiate device is provided, no conversion is done
06:01 < franciscoda> with apropiate meaning u16 LE format
06:02 < franciscoda> however my system provides sdl with s16 LE
06:02 < franciscoda> long story short, i think the sample conversion code is wrong
06:04 < franciscoda> it expands the sample buffer to perform the conversion, however it doesn't shrink it back to the correct size as the sdl struct says, so all samples will sound with gibberish at the end
06:05 < franciscoda> i added the .resize call to shrink the vector with the converted sample data and it now sounds ok
06:06 <@JonnyH> Oh, interesting
06:07 <@JonnyH> I don't think I saw a conversion that output a /smaller/ buffer on my system
06:07 <@JonnyH> probably why I didn't notice
06:09 < franciscoda> yeah, i found it documented here: https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL_AudioCVT
06:10 <@JonnyH> so you're saying that (len*len_mult) != (len*len_ratio)?
06:10 <@JonnyH> feel free to supply a patch :)
06:12 < franciscoda> more like len*len_mult != len_cvt
06:13 < franciscoda> but i guess len*len_ratio = len_cvt so your assumption still holds true lol
06:14 <@JonnyH> TBH we could probably do a much more efficient conversion/mixing implemetation than sdk
06:14 <@JonnyH> as we don't need to support every format combination under the sun...
06:14 <@JonnyH> it seems sdl always does (TYPE_IN)->float->(TYPE_OUT)
06:15 <@JonnyH> at least on android that was a noticable amount of time (not huge, but every little helps, right? :P)
06:15 <@JonnyH> plus writing cross-platform simd audio code sounds fun...
06:17 < franciscoda> wait we have an android port?
06:18 <@JonnyH> yeah, sfalexrog did one a while back
06:18 <@JonnyH> every now and then he pops in with a few fixes
06:18 <@JonnyH> but for the most part it "just worked" on android (outside of wrapping some of the init/windowing stuff)
06:19 <@JonnyH> as I already wrote the renderer to support GLES, sdl supports android etc.
06:19 < franciscoda> makes sense
06:20 <@JonnyH> It was pretty nice to get 1080p60 on a nexus player though :P
06:20 <@JonnyH> that was a while ago, so more systems ahve been implemented since, so I expect it'll be slower...
06:21 < franciscoda> that's crazy lol
06:23 <@JonnyH> there was still lots of low-hanging fruit
06:23 <@JonnyH> What's crazy is seeing something that ran on a 33mhz 486 bring a modern system to it's knees :P
06:23 <@JonnyH> are you fixing that audio buffer overrun?
06:23 <@JonnyH> Or should I?
06:24 < franciscoda> i just committed the change to my fork
06:24 <@JonnyH> open a PR for that and I'll merge
06:24 < franciscoda> there's a pull request that's been out there for like 3 days
06:25 <@JonnyH> You're not using a different branch?
06:25 <@JonnyH> What sort of git ninja are you? :P
06:25 < franciscoda> not even close to a ninja
06:25 < franciscoda> more like a caveman
06:25 <@JonnyH> branches are cheap, branches are cool
06:25 <@JonnyH> I use a branch for "everything" that logically separate
06:25 <@JonnyH> makes it easier to merge stuff late
06:26 <@JonnyH> and stuff like this, where you notice an issue when working on something else, I tend to stash my current work, create a new branch against the master, and do the single fix in the new branch
06:26 <@JonnyH> so it doesn't get mixed up in unrelated work
06:26 < franciscoda> makes sense
06:26 <@JonnyH> It's more work now, but it tends to make things much easier going forward
06:27 <@JonnyH> got stuff like merging/rebasing long-term work, or bisecting stuff
06:27 < franciscoda> so i'm guessing i now have to undo the last commit, make a new branch, apply the fix and push the new branch?
06:27 <@JonnyH> You can create a branch against any arbitrary ref
06:28 <@JonnyH> e.g. if I have the upstream remote added as "upstream"
06:28 <@JonnyH> I can create a branhc off "remote/master"
06:28 <@JonnyH> with "git branch WIP/new-work upstream/master"
06:29 < franciscoda> ohhh
06:29 <@JonnyH> then I can checkout "WIP/new-work", do the patch on that, push it to github, then checkout my old branch and continue working
06:29 < franciscoda> i'll try that out
06:29 <@JonnyH> And if upstream changes while I'm still working on anything, I can "git fetch upstream" and "git rebase upstream/master"
06:30 <@JonnyH> so long as we didn't modify the same lines in the same files, it'll automagically rebase any changes on top of the latest master then
06:30 <@JonnyH> If there is a conflict, it'll bail out for me to fix it manually, then I can continue the rebase (if I have more than 1 commit different in the branch)
06:30 <@JonnyH> I tend to want any PRs rebased against master, instead of merged
06:30 <@JonnyH> as it makes the history cleaner
06:31 < franciscoda> i see
06:31 <@JonnyH> (Plus, "git rebase -i" allows you to merge/edit/reorder commits - I like it as I can remove all the "Oops, fix silly error" commits and pretend I did it right first time :)
06:32 <@JonnyH> Like I said it's a bit more upfront work, but I feel it makes things easier in the long run
06:32 < franciscoda> i've been doing that for every commit since like 3 days lol
06:32 <@JonnyH> :)
06:32 <@JonnyH> Nobody does things right first time - anyone who says they did are lying
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06:45 < franciscoda> ahh
06:45 < franciscoda> today, i feel realized
06:48 < franciscoda> i removed that commit from my master branch too
06:49 <@JonnyH> I tend not to use my fork's master branch as anything but a mirror of upstream's master
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20:32 < franciscoda> damn
20:33 < franciscoda> redv made the same change i did in my branch
20:33 < franciscoda> about agent stats in recruit screen
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19:06 < franciscoda> it seems vehicles are being bought twice
19:27 < franciscoda> ohh same with vehicle ammo
19:28 < franciscoda> it seems it's calling the purchase function twice lol
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17:33 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e8d3783 redv: refactoring researchscreen
17:33 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 903fa99 redv: each base has its own selected lab
17:33 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6794823 redv: fix researchscreen buttons behavior; fix deleting labs
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17:42 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8ce66dd FranciscoDA: fixes vehicles being bought twice in transaction screen
17:42 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master feca4d2 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #233 from FranciscoDA/vbuyfix...
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17:44 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master fc447c0 redv: fix listbox render
17:44 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master fef16d9 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #235 from redv/fix_listbox...
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17:44 <@JonnyH> catching up with the merges :)
19:08 < franciscoda> that's cool
19:09 < franciscoda> is istrebitel coming back?
19:43 <@JonnyH> Not sure, maybe ask on github if you have any questions?
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16:01 < _michal> Istrebitel: i was worried aliens abducted you ;)
16:02 < Istrebitel> I am in a process of opening a business so unfortunately I have no time to spend on OA
16:03 < _michal> i see
16:03 < _michal> something related to programming or gamedev or it ?
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14:59 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] redv opened pull request #241: fixed the button's "attack building" bug (master...attackbuilding) https://git.io/vFoEK
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09:53 < mak> Hey =]
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11:31 < kkmic> make[2]: *** No rule to make target '../game/state/agent.h', needed by 'game/state/cotire/OpenApoc_GameState_CXX_prefix.hxx.gch'.  Stop.
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07:07 < kkmic> Working now, from a fresh clone. Must have been something stale, though I did a make clean beforehand...
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19:31 <@JonnyH> kkmic: Yeah, that's an issue with the way make does dependency tracking for headers - it uses the last build to try to figure out what's needed
19:32 <@JonnyH> but that breaks if a header is removed, as the "last build" before the removal used it so it tried to add it as a dependency.
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06:57 < kkmic> Thanks JonnyH
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19:12 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] FranciscoDA opened pull request #249: fix agent training/healing when in vehicle stationed in base (master...training-fix) https://git.io/vFHkG
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19:49 < makus> Hey to all
19:49 < makus> Openapoc under GNU MPL?
19:50 < makus> M somthing
19:50 < makus> GPL?
19:50 < makus> https://opensource.org/licenses/
20:02 <@JonnyH> makus: OpenApoc itself is MIT
20:03 <@JonnyH> stuff under dependendencies/ may use other licenses
20:03 < makus>  ty Jonny
20:09 < makus> lol discord crashed
20:15 < makus> https://github.com/makus82/OpenApoc/blob/master/README.md
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11:51 < makus> Hey2 all =]
11:51 < makus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKTb2UbRq7I add pl in FB page
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01:32 <@JonnyH> I'm going to merge all the PRs now
01:33 <@JonnyH> Shout if you don't want anything merged :P
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01:33 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFAtx
01:33 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master da61c85 FranciscoDA: fix passenger modules
01:33 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f9517e3 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #257 from FranciscoDA/passengers-fix...
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01:43 < 92AACHP2S> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #241: fixed the button's "attack building" bug (master...attackbuilding) https://git.io/vFoEK
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01:43 < 07IABYQ7U> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFAqB
01:43 < 07IABYQ7U> OpenApoc/master 2002ae4 redv: fixed attack building
01:43 < 07IABYQ7U> OpenApoc/master f6fe372 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #241 from redv/attackbuilding...
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01:44 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFAq0
01:44 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8997c6b redv: refactoring recruitscreen
01:44 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ab8ff9c redv: added forms attribute "largechange" to ScrollBar and "scrolllarge" to GraphicButton
01:44 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 34ca491 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #236 from redv/recruitscreen2...
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20:49 < pmprog> Hiya
20:50 < SupSuper> hey
20:50 < SupSuper> i forget, is turkey day a uk thing or a us thing?
20:50 < pmprog> US
20:50 < pmprog> and hi. How's things?
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21:04 < SupSuper__> i guess i got dropped for not being patriotic enough :p
21:04 < SupSuper__> things are chill, not much to report honestly
21:09 < pmprog> Glad to hear
21:13 < SupSuper__> no idea how JonnyH and openapoc are doing though :p
21:13 < SupSuper__> and how are you pmprog ?
21:14 < pmprog> I'm okay, thanks. Real life keeping me very busy, but managing to get a little bit of game dev done at nights
21:35 < SupSuper__> what are you gamedevving?
21:38 < pmprog> making a new cleaner version of a turn-based fighting game :)
21:40 < SupSuper__> ah i remember
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21:53 < pmprog> SupSuper__: did you pick another project to work on? I remember you looking into Might and Magic (or something)
22:30 <@JonnyH> hola pmprog - it's going alright - a few other people have popped in recently helping out with stuff, which is nice :)
22:31 <@JonnyH> Especially as I've been busy, and istrebitel has been creating a company or something recently :)
22:31 <@JonnyH> And speaking of turkey day, I'm off now - just made some apple crumble + proper custard to show these yanks what a "real" dessert is ;)
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22:32 < pmprog> Hi JonnyH. Cool. Glad to hear things running along. How are you doing? Still in the states?
22:35 < pmprog> Time to go bed. Laters
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02:12 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] FranciscoDA closed pull request #262: seed RNG on game start (master...seed-rng) https://git.io/vFAFL
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11:35 < makus> Hey all. Somthing wich Appveyor ?
11:37 < makus> Plan ended?
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12:32 < Yataka> Holla
12:33 < Yataka> Anyone on??
12:35 < Yataka> Oh well
12:37 < makus> Hey Y
12:37 < makus> I already ask ) here and wait
12:38 < Yataka> Hey, nice seeing you here
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19:49 <@JonnyH> makus: Yeah, appveyor looks like it died
19:52 < makus> whats happen?
20:06 <@JonnyH> https://ci.appveyor.com/project/OpenApoc/openapoc
20:06 <@JonnyH> hopefully thats back now
20:07 <@JonnyH> hmm, the url changed a bit
20:08 <@JonnyH> guess well need to change any links and the readme...
20:31 < makus> thats sad )
20:31 < makus> also about readme i make some changes in readme
20:32 < makus> https://github.com/makus82/OpenApoc/blob/master/README.md
20:36 <@JonnyH> cool, open a PR and we can nitpick it there :)
20:36 <@JonnyH> I wonder if it's worth splitting out "TODO" and "BUILD INSTRUCTIONS" into separate files? And only have a brief summary in the readme itself?
20:50 < makus> what you mean? separate files?
20:53 < makus> i think i get it
20:54 < makus> well worth because it together it will be hell of a big doc
20:55 < makus> https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/blob/master/CODE_STYLE.md
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11:23 < makus> Hey2All
11:23 < makus> Jonny hi https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCct_-oki35TGbYNPgqGmp6w  a little embellished the channel
11:23 < makus> can you pls also give rights to Filmboy
11:27 < Solbu> I support the idea of spliting out the build instructions into it's own file. The vast majority of packages put those in the file INSTALL (All caps).
11:30 < makus> Yep and in readme we can just put desciption what where putted =D
11:31 < makus> where it is laid*
12:01 < Solbu> A simple statement saying something like «For compile / build instructions, see INSTALL» should be suficient..
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12:30 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] redv opened pull request #271: fixed destroyFacility() (master...fix_destroyfacility) https://git.io/vFjr1
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22:41 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9711ba0 redv: fixed destroyFacility()
22:41 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master b8c79d6 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #271 from redv/fix_destroyfacility...
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01:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0487273 Jonathan Hamilton: update tinyformat...
01:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 530e547 Jonathan Hamilton: Update to physfs 3.0.1...
01:03 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 8822a12 Jonathan Hamilton: Update windows build to physfs 3.0.1-openapoc
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01:06 <@JonnyH> ^^ Note, that will likely require a "git submodule update" after updating
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16:25 < makus> Hey2all
16:26 < makus> Jonny appveyor works but last build really old) want alredy test newone
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19:06 <@JonnyH> Huh, yeah, appveyor doesn't seem to be automatically submitting builds...
19:10 <@JonnyH> Hopefully fixed, didn't update the webhook id after it magically disappeared and needed to be re-created...
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02:52 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 54498cf FranciscoDA: set correct initial equipment for vehicles
02:52 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master b102f81 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #276 from FranciscoDA/initialequipment...
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07:26 < 7F1AAA93J> OpenApoc/master 2a114da Jonathan Hamilton: Fix some scenery sp<> loop leaks
07:26 < 7F1AAA93J> OpenApoc/master e94f05b Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #277 from JonnyH/WIP/scenery-sp-loop-leaks...
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19:37 < makus> Hey Jonny)
19:38 <@JonnyH> hey there
19:38 < makus> somthing wich appveyor =[
19:38 < makus> just want to write and you come
19:38 <@JonnyH> Yeah, the built .zip package fails to upload
19:38 <@JonnyH> I saw that the other day
19:38 <@JonnyH> I /think/ it's an appveyor problem? As I didn't change anything between the working and breaking builds...
19:39 <@JonnyH> The build passes, it's just it can't store the result
19:45 < makus> strange
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07:49 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2ef3ccc makus82: Update README.md
07:49 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 123e02f makus82: Update README.md
07:49 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 839476d Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #269 from makus82/patch-2...
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03:00 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master eef3fa2 Jonathan Hamilton: Try using 7z compressed artifacts for size reasons
03:00 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 642db2a Jonathan Hamilton: Remove appveyor win32 builds from -dev builds...
03:00 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 16b18f3 Jonathan Hamilton: Only keep 'openapoc.exe' in appveyor build artifacts...
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20:35 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 10 new commits to master: https://git.io/vbmGC
20:35 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master b36bf96 Jonathan Hamilton: Remove some rarely-used headers from library pch
20:35 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e588440 Jonathan Hamilton: Dont use boost::locale in font glyph iteration...
20:35 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 58a3477 Jonathan Hamilton: Remove wstring/wchar_t/char UString constructors...
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20:36 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master d9f153d Jonathan Hamilton: Fix config file write in portable mode...
20:36 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master a19af60 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #288 from JonnyH/WIP/fix-portable-config-write...
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17:11 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] redv opened pull request #296: Reduced the number of calculations for the cityview interpolated palette (master...fix_cityview_palette) https://git.io/vbO88
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20:54 <@JonnyH> https://godbolt.org/g/12RyC1
20:54 <@JonnyH> Oh dear, poor msvc
20:54 <@JonnyH> had an aneurysm trying to vectorise that...
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21:13 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] redv opened pull request #297: fixed currentAgent and currentVehicle selection (master...fix_current_agent_vehicle) https://git.io/vbOrL
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16:20 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #293: workaround for vehicle update & die (master...fix_vehicle_update) https://git.io/vbYTW
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16:26 < 07IAB4X2G> OpenApoc/master c6d40a4 redv: send vehicles n agents to extermination
16:26 < 07IAB4X2G> OpenApoc/master 384e500 redv: pixelperfection for AgentAssignment
16:26 < 07IAB4X2G> OpenApoc/master 55a2834 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #295 from redv/alert_extermination...
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16:26 < 07EAALUXF> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #295: AlertScreen extermination implemented (master...alert_extermination) https://git.io/vbYwC
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19:07 < SupSuper> JonnyH: how do you feel about vs2017? :P
19:16 < Lightkey> does it support C99?
19:18 < SupSuper> they only care about c++
19:20 < SupSuper> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/visual-cpp-language-conformance
19:39 <@JonnyH> Nobody promised anything about c99 :P
19:39 <@JonnyH> Apparently, they plan to do c99 after all c++-latest features
19:39 <@JonnyH> which at this rate will never end, as the new version is out before they've finished the last
19:40 <@JonnyH> but it is on MS's roadmap...
19:40 <@JonnyH> and vs2017.5 is actually qutie nice as a compier
19:40 <@JonnyH> at least the code it generates is often notable better than 2015...
19:41 <@JonnyH> I don't use the ide itself enough to tell any real difference there
19:43 < SupSuper> i think anything's better than vs2015 :p
19:43 <@JonnyH> VC++ 6.0
19:45 < SupSuper> might as well go back to watcom then
19:51 < SupSuper> i was looking into the test stuff, and everytime i see something inconsistent between cmake and vs my reaction is "should i just update this to what vs uses, or ditch vs for the cmake stuff" :p
19:52 < SupSuper> i guess given the amount of devs you have now, ditching vs would be unwise
19:53 <@JonnyH> the 'cmake' test framework is "there is no test framework"
19:53 <@JonnyH> anything that can be run as an executable can be wrapped by it, so don't bother thinking about cmake compat
19:53 <@JonnyH> as it /will/ work :P
19:53 <@JonnyH> might need some scripting magic, but won't be too hard
19:53 < SupSuper> yeah microsoft seems to have acknowledged that :p https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/test/how-to-use-ctest-for-cpp
19:55 < SupSuper> if you want something that "feels" integrated into vs, there's google and boost. but again, different from how you have your tests set up right now
20:02 <@JonnyH> both would work on linux w/cmake fine - if you want to replace the current "Just run main()" plath with that it'll be fine
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20:47 < SupSuper> JonnyH: well i don't actually know how to replace the cmake part :p
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21:00 < SupSuper> i guess i'll port them to boost since we already have that lying around
21:23 <@JonnyH> If gtest is embed-able, it's just as easy
21:23 <@JonnyH> ie a header-only library, or a cmake parent or whatever
21:24 <@JonnyH> and I'm trying to avoid new boost deps...
21:24 <@JonnyH> Of course, if boost test is separate, doesn't pull in 50000 other boost modules, then it's equivalent from that POV
21:27 < SupSuper> i doubt either one is the case :p
21:32 < SupSuper> hmm i wonder what's better, a source library or precompiled library
21:33 <@JonnyH> precompiled makes baby jesus cry
21:33 <@JonnyH> want to change msvc minor verison? Hope you have another binary package...
21:34 <@JonnyH> How about changing optimisation flags? New binary package
21:34 <@JonnyH> Debug symbols? New binary package
21:36 < SupSuper> just wondering why boost test is only available precompiled: https://github.com/sergey-shandar/getboost/blob/master/releases/1.65.md
21:36 < SupSuper> maybe it's time to switch to vcpkg :p
21:37 <@JonnyH> almost surprised it's not header-only..
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16:58 < that-coding-guy> Hello, I'm thinking of helping out the development of openapoc
16:58 < that-coding-guy> but I've never helped in development before, so how should I start?
16:59 <@JonnyH> Well, first thing is getting the dev environment setup - make sure you can clone the current repository, build it and it all runs
17:01 < that-coding-guy> Alright I'll get to that right now
17:01 <@JonnyH> Hopefully most of the instructions are in the readme
17:01 <@JonnyH> but it assumes a certain amount of familiarity with the tools already - feel free to ask here if you have any questions :)
17:02 < that-coding-guy> Alright, thanks!
17:05 < that-coding-guy> We're using the latest version of SDL, right?
17:06 <@JonnyH> SDL2 yes
17:06 <@JonnyH> it doesn't matter which revision of 2.0.x though
17:07 <@JonnyH> If you're on windows, it should pull in the package automatically
17:07 <@JonnyH> linux will need the distro's sdl2 development package
17:08 < that-coding-guy> Alright then, is Boost also included, or am I going to have to download that one?
17:09 <@JonnyH> On windows, *everything* should be pulled in automatically
17:10 <@JonnyH> it should be enough to do a (recursive) git clone, copy the cd.iso to the data/ directory, then run the build
17:11 <@JonnyH> It uses the visual studio nuget integration for all the dependency packages (that aren't built as part of openapoc itself)
17:12 <@JonnyH> I'm just assuming you're running windows - shout if that's not the case :)
17:12 < that-coding-guy> Alright, I'll get the iso and build it then
17:12 < that-coding-guy> And yeah, I'm on windows so no worrys
17:12 <@JonnyH> It expects the original cd to be in the "data/cd.iso" path
17:12 <@JonnyH> that could be: -the iso file (for example, from steam)
17:13 <@JonnyH> - the renamed .cue file (for example from gog.com) - if using that copy the .bin file into the same data/ directory (but don't rename that)
17:13 <@JonnyH> - or a folder containing all the files copied from the cd
17:14 <@JonnyH> It runs a tool at build time to extract some data from tables in the original's data files and executable files, so the original data is need both at build time for that, and at runtime (it loads the music/sound/images from the orignal cd data files too)
17:17 < that-coding-guy> Alright, it's building
17:19 <@JonnyH> also be aware that the visual studio 'debug' mode is /incredably/ slow - pretty much unusably so...
17:19 <@JonnyH> but it's fine for testing stuff if you're patient :)
17:20 < that-coding-guy> Good to know :)
17:21 <@JonnyH> it seems the debug iterators and stuff used in lots of the core update()/render() loop are /waaaayyyyyy/ slower in debug mode - do don't worry about performance of that
17:22 < that-coding-guy> This is a bit late in the process, but is it fine to develop using vs2017 or should I switch to vs2015?
17:24 <@JonnyH> 2017 should work, but you should install the v140 toolchain
17:24 <@JonnyH> it /might/ work with 141, generally the binary packages should be built with the same compiler version on windows
17:25 <@JonnyH> as msvc doesn't really *do* binary compatibility between versions
17:25 <@JonnyH> (I believe they're working on it though)
17:26 < that-coding-guy> Alright, it ran, but how would I got about installing the v140 toolchain?
17:27 <@JonnyH> It's an option in the 2017 installer
17:28 <@JonnyH> I can't remember the exact name... (I'm not on windows at the minute so can't check)
17:28 < that-coding-guy> I'll go ahead and see if I can find it
17:28 <@JonnyH> It *might* work with the v141, but you'll need to 'retarget' everything first
17:29 <@JonnyH> (and hope the nuget packages still work)
17:31 < that-coding-guy> Yeah, it asked me to retarget the files at the start. Seems it modified the solution file though
17:32 < that-coding-guy> if that's what the red checkmark means, haven't used vs for a while
17:36 <@JonnyH> Yeah, the 'target' is stored in the build files and solution
17:36 <@JonnyH> so don't add that chunk to git when making changes
17:36 <@JonnyH> at least until we move everything to 2016
17:36 <@JonnyH> ..2017
17:38 < that-coding-guy> Alright, is there anything else that needs to be set up?
17:38 <@JonnyH> No, that should be it
17:38 <@JonnyH> build & run :)
17:38 <@JonnyH> Running through visual studio should run it from the right paths (IE the root of the repository)
17:41 < that-coding-guy> How should I go about contributing? Should I poke around the code first?
17:41 <@JonnyH> Probably - I've been pretty busy recently so can't really "manage" stuff
17:41 <@JonnyH> and not sure who is working on what...
17:42 <@JonnyH> (not that there are many people working on openapoc...)
17:43 <@JonnyH> some people might be on the discord...
17:43 <@JonnyH> I'm at work right now, and the firewall blocks that so can't hang around there
17:44 < that-coding-guy> Alright, I'll have a look on discord for some suggestions then
17:44 < that-coding-guy> Thanks for helping me set up my environment!
17:46 <@JonnyH> there's also the forums at openapoc.org
17:47 <@JonnyH> when you do start making contributions, it's worth installing clang-format too (version 4.0.x)
17:47 <@JonnyH> as it'll format the code to match the current style - the autobuild will reject code that doesn't match
17:48 <@JonnyH> I think there's a visual studio plugin for clang-format if you don't like the command line, but it *has* to be version 4.something
17:48 <@JonnyH> 3.x and 5.x do things slightly differently...
17:49 < that-coding-guy> I'm fine with the command line, anything else I should know?
17:50 <@JonnyH> can't think of anything else off the top of my head...
17:52 < that-coding-guy> Alright then, I'll just look around the code for now
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19:33 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] redv closed pull request #309: fixed artifact text in the buy & sell screen (master...fix_artifact_text) https://git.io/vbBlR
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20:32 < SupSuper> JonnyH: https://i.imgur.com/Pq3OGP7.png soon(tm)
21:33 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: At this rate they'll probably complete c++17 just after c++20 is standardised
21:33 <@JonnyH> and still only partial two-phase lookup :P
21:34 < SupSuper> you can tell it's a bitch :P
21:34 < SupSuper> doesn't even count as c++, it just floats in the ether
21:34 <@JonnyH> I suspect half the problem is half the stl has 'workarounds' that won't compile when they do it 'right'
21:36 < SupSuper> at least they're adding a bunch of flags so you can get vs to pretend to be a standards-compliant compiler
21:37 <@JonnyH> and they're supporting -flags, not just /flags
21:37 <@JonnyH> as GOD HIMSELF INTENDED
21:38 < SupSuper> :p
21:38 < SupSuper> also good news, boost.test is available in header-form, so porting your tests over should be pretty painless
21:38 < SupSuper> *famous last words*
21:39 < SupSuper> the bad news is the docs are written by someone with a fancy for engrish
21:40 <@JonnyH> I'm going to print that out and get you to sign it
21:40 <@JonnyH> So you can literally eat those words later
21:40 < SupSuper> as long as you pay shipping
21:42 < SupSuper> which c++ standard are we on, anyways?
21:52 <@JonnyH> 11
21:52 <@JonnyH> I want to move to 17 for the variant stuff, to remove the (unsafe :) unions in input...
23:03 < SupSuper> JonnyH: i thought variant stuff was in 11?
23:03 < SupSuper> or am i mixing it up with variadics
23:04 <@JonnyH> variant *can* be implemented in 11, but it's not in the standard lib until 17...
23:04 <@JonnyH> You might be thinking of variadics - like <Args...> templates
23:04 <@JonnyH> It's a 'type safe' replacement of unions
23:05 <@JonnyH> unions are "technically" undefined when you store in a different type to what you read
23:05 < SupSuper> isn't that the whole point :p
23:05 <@JonnyH> which means the 'popular' pattern of using unions to do stuff like twiddle bits in floats is undefined
23:06 <@JonnyH> No, it's intentionally disallowed, as stuff like alignment/different packing/byte order/other stuff could cause it to explode randomly when you least expect it...
23:06 < SupSuper> so a variant is just a union that actually keeps track of its types?
23:06 <@JonnyH> the "only" safe way of type punning is a bytewise copy
23:07 < SupSuper> sigh, i sense more templates in our future
23:08 <@JonnyH> We don't use it for type punning, so it should be pretty much a drop-in replacement...
23:08 <@JonnyH> and it avoids some of the constructor wonkyness around events today...
23:11 <@JonnyH> there's also std::optional, which would be handy for the stuff we currently extract-to-pointer-and-test-against-null
23:12 <@JonnyH> plus expanded constexpr (more than just a "return" :) and constexpr if which are cool
23:12 <@JonnyH> so less #ifdef shenanigans
23:13 <@JonnyH> and you can implement static restrictions on template types - like "error if type T is missing method X" or whatever
23:13 <@JonnyH> without evil templates...
23:15 < SupSuper> i hope vs gains sensible template errors then :p
23:17 <@JonnyH> Half the point is less template errors... assuming the std lib actually implements them instead of some template abomination
23:25 <@JonnyH> BTW I just created a "1.0" and "Post 1.0" milestone in github
23:25 <@JonnyH> and a "not yet implemented" label
23:25 <@JonnyH> I don't want people /closing/ bugs
23:26 <@JonnyH> just because it's not yet complete, and therefore not a "bug"
23:34 < SupSuper> we have bugs?
23:35 <@JonnyH> we have people opening bugs
23:35 <@JonnyH> Well, "issues"... :P
23:38 <@JonnyH> I don't really want to say "please stop testing - we /know/ stuff doesn't work"
23:39 < SupSuper> maybe a TODO tag
23:40 <@JonnyH> that's what "Not yet implemented" means :P
23:41 < SupSuper> shorter though :P
23:41 <@JonnyH> Then you can use "enhancement" for "Yeah, that's not going to happen...." crazyness
23:41 < SupSuper> ah yes, the ever-growing "feature requests"
23:42 <@JonnyH> you know, "I have a mod idea - all we need is a strong human-level AI, an infinite number of prime numbers, and a proof of P = NP"
23:42 <@JonnyH> "feature requests" :P
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00:08 < SupSuper> https://i.imgur.com/8QNNJ4u.png someone really wants to make sure clang formats
00:10 <@JonnyH> ...huh
00:10 <@JonnyH> I've seen an old version of clang-format take 2 passes before, maybe it's to workaround that?
00:10 < SupSuper> guess so. could've used a for loop though :p
00:10 <@JonnyH> IE pass 1 splits a line, pass 2 then re-indents that new line...
00:10 < SupSuper> might as well go full insanity
00:11 <@JonnyH> "real" programming in cmd? You're a glutton for punishment...
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00:18 < SupSuper_> JonnyH: even irc knows i'm up to no good
00:18 < SupSuper_> https://i.imgur.com/LnNIrXr.png now we're talking
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00:24 <@JonnyH> you should loop it until $(clang-format $LAST) != $(clang-format $CURRENT) :P
00:25 <@JonnyH> naturally with an abort in case it never stabilises...
00:25 <@JonnyH> Or add it as a git hook.. but I generally like being able to see *exactly* what I'm committing
00:26 <@JonnyH> BTW is images-of-text your new go-to way of sharing info? :P
00:26 < SupSuper_> can you have platform-specific git hooks?
00:26 <@JonnyH> git hooks are a local thing
00:26 < SupSuper_> ah
00:26 < SupSuper_> and would you rather i copy all the lines straight into irc? :P
00:26 <@JonnyH> Some people have a 'add git hooks' script, or something
00:27 <@JonnyH> or a text paste site or something...
00:27 <@JonnyH> Just a picture of text is larger filesize, less convenient (no copy paste), and all that crap
00:27 < SupSuper_> not great for showing diffs though
00:27 <@JonnyH> I guess maybe following the economies of scale of people posting cat pics may be useful though...
00:29 <@JonnyH> Blerg, I keep typing AMD as AND
00:29 <@JonnyH> annoying when it's the prefix for *every goddamn identifier*
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00:51 < SupSuper_> now clang-formatting takes as long as compiling :p
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00:59 < SupSuper_> JonnyH`Away: clang-format reformatted half the project, is that normal?
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01:08 <@JonnyH> SupSuper_: errm... no?
01:08 <@JonnyH> Make sure you're using 4.0?
01:09 < SupSuper_> it's 5.0, do i need to downgrade?
01:10 <@JonnyH> yeah, annyingly clang don't keep the format output stable between versions -_-
01:10 < SupSuper_> well they're adhering to semver :p
01:11 <@JonnyH> also a format of every source here on my crappy vps server takes ~7 seconds :P
01:11 <@JonnyH> hardly "as long as compiling" :P
01:11 < SupSuper_> but are you doing it thrice?
01:11 < SupSuper_> well most of the time is probably the batch :P
01:11 <@JonnyH> 21 seconds then
01:12 <@JonnyH> TBH 99.9999% of the time you don't need to run it multiple times
01:12 <@JonnyH> Never seen it with 4.0 actually, might have been a "bug" with older versions too...
01:13 < SupSuper_> at least adapting your tests to boost is pretty straightforward: https://i.imgur.com/leHVddm.png
01:13 < SupSuper_> hope you like macros :p
01:14 <@JonnyH> #define THOUGHTS_ON_MACROS "fine with them I guess"
01:16 < SupSuper_> https://i.imgur.com/ZBM9Xnk.gifv
01:16 < SupSuper_> maybe it's time to switch to powershell
01:22 < SupSuper_> great, clang-format breaks the macros
01:31 <@JonnyH> If you really want alignment (for tables etc.)
01:31 <@JonnyH>  // clang-format off
01:31 <@JonnyH> BLAH
01:31 <@JonnyH>  // clang-format pn
01:31 <@JonnyH> errm.. on :)
01:32 < SupSuper_> oh actually it's because it reorders includes
01:32 < SupSuper_> and of course boost.test is Preprocessor-Order-Sensitive
01:32 <@JonnyH> I thought it only re-ordered them within a 'block', so you can separate them with an empty newline/comment/something
01:33 <@JonnyH> TBH the windows terminal is soooo slloooowwww it might be that limiting the speed - maybe pipe to null?
01:33 <@JonnyH> or @command I guess in a .bat...
01:35 < SupSuper_> now i can't tell if it's doing anything :p
01:35 < SupSuper_> but it's more likely the wildcard recursive search
01:36 < SupSuper_> well it *seemed* faster, i'll take it
01:36 < SupSuper_> and you were right, adding newlines to the includes appropriately also helped
01:36 < SupSuper_> how... python :p
01:37 <@JonnyH> It kinda makes sense, often people do
01:37 <@JonnyH> (system includes)
01:37 <@JonnyH> newline
01:37 <@JonnyH> (local includes)
01:37 <@JonnyH> or probably the other way around is better actually..
01:51 < SupSuper_> well after all this, the tests work fine except in the ide...
01:53 <@JonnyH> what's wrong with the ide?
02:00 < SupSuper_> visual studio detects a test but fails at "cannot find WorkingDirectory in Visual Studio configuration"
02:01 < SupSuper_> resharper lists the test but when running it is just stuck "pending"
02:05 <@JonnyH> does it run in appveyor
02:06 < SupSuper_> does appveyor even support c++ tests :p
02:14 <@JonnyH> No idea - I only noticed it prints a line about "detecting tests"... "none found" :)
02:31 < SupSuper_> well here's hoping. worse comes to worse, at least you'll get prettier reports in cmake
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00:08 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: do your tests need external arguments?
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19:37 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Some either need to be in the 'correct' ${PWD} (so ./data and ./data/cd.iso point to the right places)
19:37 <@JonnyH> or the Framework.CD/Framework.Data arguyments set on the cmdline
19:50 < SupSuper> man
19:50 < SupSuper> so far your framework and the boost framework have been duking it out for the last days :p
19:50 <@JonnyH> THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
19:52 < SupSuper> ok so the first issue was that boost.test had its own command line arguments, which your config happily rejected
19:52 <@JonnyH> can't it filter them out first?
19:53 < SupSuper> so i dug around and yes, there is a different initialization where boost.test processes its arguments first and leaves the rest to you
19:53 <@JonnyH> Or just fake up the args passed into the framework for the test...
19:54 <@JonnyH> tests behaving differently due to system state (like the .ini file) might be a mistake...
19:54 < SupSuper> but now... the framework isn't initializing
19:54 < SupSuper> i assume it's a scope thing
19:55 < SupSuper> see before you just had int main() { Framework fw("OpenApoc", false); } so presumably, the framework would live as long as main()
19:56 < SupSuper> but this new method uses another function just for initializing, and i assume once the function ends the framework gets discarded
19:56 <@JonnyH> yup, does something poke the framework before that then? Or try it call it after main?
19:56 <@JonnyH> Oh, so you probably want a global up<> or something that's setup in the init
19:57 <@JonnyH> and either manually torn down in the de-init, or allowed to be cleaned up with the rest of the static globals...
19:57 < SupSuper> well shouldn't fw already do that? it's a singleton, it's weird to see a singleton in the stack :p
19:58 <@JonnyH> I wanted to *guarantee* other static globals are setup first
19:58 <@JonnyH> for stuff like the options, as that affects framework init
19:58 <@JonnyH> We could have some kinda pre-init, then in main call some new Framework::actuallyInit(ArgsThatAffectInitialisation)
19:58 <@JonnyH> but then the singleton is still in some weird half-constructed state before that, so I don't really see the advantage
20:00 <@JonnyH> I know it's not "clean", feel free to change that if there's actually a use case
20:01 <@JonnyH> if there is now an advantage to the 'half-inited' state feel free to add it :)
20:03 < SupSuper> well i got it to work by just using a static pointer so :p
20:04 < SupSuper> can't use a static ref since there's no default constructor
20:05 <@JonnyH> again, by design, as you can't "inject" the arguments after construction...
20:06 < SupSuper> it's just kinda ugly because now you technically have multiple pointers to a singleton?
20:06 < SupSuper> but it's just tests so who cares...
20:07 <@JonnyH> I only care about avoid leaking the Framework to make the mem leak output less cluttered and easier to highlight /real/ leaks...
20:07 <@JonnyH> so a workaround just for unit tests would probably be fine
20:07 < SupSuper> success! https://i.imgur.com/FoKAOPC.png
20:09 < SupSuper> of course this will only work in vs2015 with plugins, or vs2017.5, or...
20:09 < SupSuper> it's futureproof, basically :p
20:12 <@JonnyH> :D
20:14 < SupSuper> at least it behaves the same for cmake
20:14 <@JonnyH> My main goal was to makme it 'fail' the CI build
20:15 <@JonnyH> (well, actually my main goal was it's simpler to develop stuff in a small test than in the middle of a game, and thought it could also be used in the CI builds :)
20:15 < SupSuper> well i guess we'll have to wait for appveyor to catch up
20:16 < SupSuper> if the cmake build worked on windows out of the box, we could use that: https://help.appveyor.com/discussions/questions/2121-c-with-boost-unit-test
20:16 <@JonnyH> ...we /could/ poke it until it works on windows
20:17 <@JonnyH> Probably fix a few POISX shell-isms, and use the proper CMAKE args for stuff like visibility/std options etc.
20:17 <@JonnyH> but there's nothing massive that's posix-only...
20:18 <@JonnyH> I just thought windows devs would find it fit into their existing workflow better...
20:18 < SupSuper> main issue would be dependencies. you'd either have to wedge nuget into cmake, or switch to vcpkg
20:18 < SupSuper> vcpkg is probably better in the long run, as nuget isn't really suited for c++... but i don't wanna break everyone's workflow just yet :p
20:18 <@JonnyH> Or pull in sdl2's cmake....
20:18 <@JonnyH> boost has announced they'll move to an embed-able cmake build *soon* too...
20:18 < SupSuper> well vcpkg is already built into cmake and appveyor at least
20:19 <@JonnyH> yeah, but with an embedded cmake it should work exactly the same on non-windows
20:19 <@JonnyH> as currently pkg-config is kinda non-windows
20:20 <@JonnyH> actually, most of the Find* macros aren't using pkg-config directly...
20:20 < SupSuper> and since appveyor is what generates the precious downloadable builds, i don't wanna poke it too hard :)
20:20 <@JonnyH> It is a PITA that it doesn't seem to support ccache or similar in windows
20:21 <@JonnyH> then you have all the speed of an incremental build with a lot less of the pain...
20:21 <@JonnyH> As currently it has to rebuild exactly the same objects every build...
20:22 < SupSuper> it doesn't seem to be using parallel builds either
20:23 <@JonnyH> I think I tried to enable them
20:23 <@JonnyH> but the vm it's running on doesn't have much resource...
20:23 <@JonnyH> I think it's a 1+1ht at most
20:23 <@JonnyH> so not that much benefit...
20:25 < SupSuper> at least it seems to cache vcpkg: https://www.appveyor.com/docs/lang/cpp/#vc-packaging-tool
20:26 <@JonnyH> on travis the ccache effectively means it spends more time downloading the updater conpiler and running extractors than actually building for most changes :P
20:29 < SupSuper> anyways, one thing at a time :p
20:29 <@JonnyH> Do 500 things at once and never quite finish any!
20:30 < SupSuper> maybe in a bright future everyone will be using vs2017 and they can just use "open folder" and it will all work magically without maintaining two different environments
20:30 <@JonnyH> You can move to 2017 if you want... I don't really care :P
20:30 <@JonnyH> It's other windows devs you have to ask
20:30 < SupSuper> exactly, and windows devs are very stubborn :P
20:31 < SupSuper> well we'll have to if we switch to c++17 anyways
20:31 < SupSuper> at least microsoft seemed to have adopted a "software as a service" policy... so maybe 2017 will be the last annoying upgrade?
20:33 <@JonnyH> I thought "software as a service" was a sales approach, not development...
20:34 < SupSuper> well whatever you call "let's just keep making updates"
20:34 <@JonnyH> rolling releases? Dunno...
20:35 < SupSuper> granted now a lot of people are switching to vs code altogether...
20:36 <@JonnyH> yeah, I think they're (finally) realised bundling editor, toolchain, sdk and build system all together isn't _really_ necessary
20:37 <@JonnyH> and as you said, programmers are stubborn
20:37 <@JonnyH> You can pry my vim out of my cold dead fingers...
20:38 < SupSuper> now if only they could make meaningful template errors...
20:38 <@JonnyH> Oh, lets not get crazy now...
20:40 < SupSuper> in the meantime i'm trying to turn your huge main()s into meaningful test cases :p
20:41 <@JonnyH> probably best to grep for each return EXIT_FAILURE for each actual "test" :P
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20:49 < SupSuper> https://i.imgur.com/5ajJCOV.png i'm guessing if i do that here, i'll break it :p
20:51 <@JonnyH> yeah, gogo stateful tests
20:52 < SupSuper> also boost.test uses streams for error messages *shudders*
20:53 <@JonnyH> streams are cool, but isn't a replacement for formatted text...
20:53 <@JonnyH> Dunno why the original c++ guys seemed to think that..
20:54 < SupSuper> gonna be fun replacing 0x%016x with streams
20:54 <@JonnyH> Just use the format library - it'll help keep you sane...
20:54 <@JonnyH> stream << UString::format("0x%016x", blah);
20:55 < SupSuper> now you tell me :p
21:28 < SupSuper> oh god it's happening
21:28 < SupSuper> i made a branch
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01:48 < SupSuper> JonnyH: pushed a WIP/win-tests branch, if you wanna check if i didn't break everything in linux :p
01:49 <@JonnyH> if travis works it's probably fine
01:49 < SupSuper> does travis check branches?
01:50 <@JonnyH> open a pr if you can't be arsed to setup yourself
01:50 <@JonnyH> as it should check those
01:51 < SupSuper> i'm kinda wary on test_serialize, as it probably depends on test order
01:52 < SupSuper> might just give up and make it all one big test
01:52 <@JonnyH> yeah, test_serialise 'built up' state over a few things checking serialize/deserailize round trip each time
01:53 <@JonnyH> not sure how separable that is...
01:53 <@JonnyH> as it tended to build on top of the previous state...
01:55 < SupSuper> nuts, i broke it
01:57 < SupSuper> https://travis-ci.org/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/jobs/317878657#L4565 do i need to pass boost to cmake?
01:59 <@JonnyH> Missing #include in test_rng?
01:59 <@JonnyH> if it's an include-only library it should already work with cmake...
02:00 < SupSuper> nope the include is there, otherwise it would've thrown errors on the other macros. weird
02:01 < SupSuper> https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/blob/95f07301eeefa049062e3d0608c47ab2cbef48ee/tests/test_rng.cpp
02:11 <@JonnyH> don't you need test_case.cpp?
02:12 <@JonnyH> or is that just DATA_TEST_CASE....
02:14 < SupSuper> yeah
02:14 < SupSuper> that's just for data tests
02:16 <@JonnyH> maybe add libboost-test-dev to the stuff installed in build_prepare_linux.sh?
02:16 <@JonnyH> Though I'd have thought it would have failed to include if that was the issue...
02:16 <@JonnyH> unless there's some weird half-baked stub, or wrong version installed...
02:17 < SupSuper> well boost-test has two versions, header-only and library-only. mixing the two is probably dangerous...
02:18 < SupSuper> if i had to guess it's probably some magic macro matching that's messing up
02:18 <@JonnyH> You probably should also add "find_package(Boost REQUIRED COMPONENTS test)" and add "Boost_INCLUDE_DIRS" to the target_include_directories for the CMakeLists.txt for the tests
02:18 <@JonnyH> just in case someone put their boost-test headers in a different place to the rest of boost...
02:18 <@JonnyH> I don't know /why/, but linux people are weird
02:19 <@JonnyH> but again, doubt that's the issue here
02:33 < SupSuper> the missing includes might be
02:33 < SupSuper> granted it should have failed earlier, but *shrug* c++
02:33 <@JonnyH> It'll probably be like there's an old version of boost-test installed
02:33 <@JonnyH> we update *some* parts of boost
02:34 <@JonnyH> but the old test headers don't get updatesd, and 'weird stuff' happens...
02:34 < SupSuper> eh nuget is on 1.60 and it works fine
02:34 < SupSuper> CMake Error at /usr/local/cmake-3.9.2/share/cmake-3.9/Modules/FindBoost.cmake:1878 (message):
02:34 < SupSuper>   Unable to find the requested Boost libraries.
02:35 < SupSuper> welp, i'm guessing "test" doesn't count as a library
02:36 <@JonnyH> yeah, not sure if "header only" libs work with FindBoost...
02:36 < SupSuper> oh apparently the canonical name is unit_test_framework
02:36 < SupSuper> *obviously*
02:38 < SupSuper> i sense a lot of commits in my future
02:44 < SupSuper> JonnyH: boost.test has both a header-only form and a library-only form. i'm not sure why...
02:46 <@JonnyH> is there some magic option to select between?
02:47 < SupSuper> depends on which header you include
02:55 < SupSuper> well after all that... nothing changed :p
02:56 <@JonnyH> eh *shrug*
02:56 <@JonnyH> I can try locally later...
02:56 < SupSuper> actually, it got *worse*
02:56 <@JonnyH> how does it get /worse/
02:57 < SupSuper> now it's missing an include as well
02:58 < SupSuper> before: https://i.imgur.com/Jf2mdYD.png
02:58 < SupSuper> after: https://i.imgur.com/COVRI62.png
03:03 < SupSuper> in fact they even have a cmake example right here, it *should* work: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_64_0/libs/test/doc/html/boost_test/section_faq.html#boost_test.section_faq.how_to_set_up_a_cmake_project_us
03:05 < SupSuper> what's the difference betwen PUBLIC and PRIVATE
03:07 <@JonnyH> depends on if the includes are pulled in to libraries that link against them too
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03:40 < SupSuper> well i'll leave it up to you. i tried everything, added the includes, added libboost-test-dev...
03:41 < SupSuper> i'll fix up the other tests in the meantime
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08:49 < SashaSam> hello world
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14:56 < SashaSam> �арод привет, под�кажите что необходимо дабы поуча�твовать в �оздании редактора модов?
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17:06 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: c++ is bullshit
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17:31 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: c++ is indeed bullshit :P
17:31 <@JonnyH> Gotta keep that job security - we'll be screwed if normal people realise you can just tell a computer what to do
18:44 < SupSuper> apparently a global pointer is a memory leak?
18:52 <@JonnyH> probably - it can't tell if it's still reachable if it's returned from main() without deleting it...
18:52 <@JonnyH> a up<> wouldn't leak, as it'll be destructed before the leak checker runs though
18:52 < SupSuper> i tried a sp, a up, a manually deleted c pointer, it all throws a fit
18:52 <@JonnyH> which leak checker?
18:52 < SupSuper> visual studio
18:52 <@JonnyH> The sanitise travis pass?
18:53 <@JonnyH> Oh. No idea how that works.
18:53 < SupSuper> i give up, just gonna port the other tests and if you want you can make them better
18:53 < SupSuper> most of your tests are impossible to break into cases :p
18:53 <@JonnyH> Port em, open a PR
18:54 <@JonnyH> I can then poke them myself for my weird requirements :)
18:54 < SupSuper> well there's already a branch. can i PR a branch from its own repository?
18:55 <@JonnyH> PRs are branches from another repo, right?
18:56 < SupSuper> hmm apparently you can also do it within the same repo
18:56 < SupSuper> i guess as a form of code review
18:56 <@JonnyH> or you have DEV/ branches and a RELEASE/ set or something
18:56 <@JonnyH> multiple people could use the same repo instead of different repos with PRs too....
18:57 < SupSuper> hmmm can i change history in a branch that nobody else's using?
18:57 < SupSuper> it kinda looks like a mess
18:57 < SupSuper> maybe i should just start over :p
18:59 <@JonnyH> sure, I often 'git rebase -i' and fixup/squash history
18:59 <@JonnyH> I see all /my/ repo branches are fair game for changing history
18:59 < SupSuper> even travis is getting upset with me: https://i.imgur.com/4T3FCpM.png
18:59 <@JonnyH> Nobody should be relying on that
19:00 <@JonnyH> Yeah, travis sometimes throws a fit when given a force-updated branch
19:00 <@JonnyH> as it tries to be clever and work out what versions should be set for before..after
19:01 <@JonnyH> and if there's no path between the two in git (like, say, one commit refers to a history that now has been removed) it'll explode
19:01 < SupSuper> well, that's the default git behavior unless you're doing a fresh clone everytime :p
19:02 <@JonnyH> but travis remembers the before.. from the 'last build on that branch'
19:02 <@JonnyH> so if that has been magically removed...
19:02 < SupSuper> right
19:03 < SupSuper> still, i would like to know how to get it working on linux. this is the first time it's harder to get something working on linux :p
19:05 <@JonnyH> It's probably missing something dumb
19:05 <@JonnyH> or travis has some shenanigans going on that's not quite the same as "real" linux :P
19:05 < SupSuper> probably, i didn't have to add anything for windows
19:05 < SupSuper> or it might be a compiler difference
19:06 <@JonnyH> If you open a PR, or point me at the branch, I can have a look at my linux this evening
19:06 <@JonnyH> It's not easy debugging through travis :P
19:06 <@JonnyH> so probably not the best use of time if you don't have a setup yourself
19:06 < SupSuper> https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/compare/WIP/win-tests
19:07 < SupSuper> could always setup linux on windows :P
19:07 < SupSuper> just don't wanna clutter my system drive
19:07 <@JonnyH> for this a vm might suffice
19:09 < SupSuper> hmm i have an old vm as well. is debian 7 still the latest hotness?
19:09 <@JonnyH> think we're on debian 9 now :/
19:10 <@JonnyH> and that's probably 20 years knowing the timescale of debian releases...
19:12 < SupSuper> we'll see if it still works
19:13 < SupSuper> updating the os always breaks my vm's
19:14 < SupSuper> just have to wait a million years to update all packages :p
19:15 < SupSuper> https://i.imgur.com/su1wQtp.png i expected worse
19:16 < SupSuper> the good thing about popular distros is they always have portuguese servers
19:19 <@JonnyH> never really saw any difference for any "western europe" servers in the uk...
19:22 < SupSuper> well the difference from the usual france/germany/uk servers and one that's like a few miles from me is noticable
19:23 <@JonnyH> probably as the bits have to go through spain, so they have a nap
19:23 < SupSuper> :p
19:23 < SupSuper> judging by my terminal, my entire linux is being replaced
19:23 <@JonnyH> what tests fail to build?
19:24 < SupSuper> i'm sure i'll totally be able to reproduce the problem in the end!
19:24 < SupSuper> test_images and test_rng
19:24 <@JonnyH> I'm on a mac, it's kinda POSIX-y at least...
19:30 <@JonnyH> Eh, the tests are pretty mich the only thing that builds :P
19:30 <@JonnyH> physfs needs some library it's not pulling in by the look of it on mac...
19:37 <@JonnyH> and miniz tests __gnuc__ before __apple__
19:37 <@JonnyH> and clang naturally enables __gnuc__, even on mac :P
19:38 < SupSuper> so much for cross-platform :P
19:38 <@JonnyH> with that all the tests build
19:38 <@JonnyH> ...and reject hte Framework.CD argument...
19:40 <@JonnyH> Interesting some tests seem fine with the arguments, some don't
19:40 < SupSuper> well i only ported test_images, test_rng and test_serialize
19:40 <@JonnyH> Oh, so they're the only ones failing :P
19:41 < SupSuper> *works on my machine*
19:41 <@JonnyH> /Volumes/JonnyH-USB/Code/projects/OpenApoc-build/ninja/bin/test_images "--Framework.CD=/Volumes/JonnyH-USB/Code/projects/OpenApoc/data/cd.iso" "--Framework.Data=/Volumes/JonnyH-USB/Code/projects/OpenApoc/data"
19:41 <@JonnyH> An unrecognized parameter in the argument Framework.CD=/Volumes/JonnyH-USB/Code/projects/OpenApoc/data/cd.iso
19:41 <@JonnyH> cmake always passes in Framework.CD and Framework.Data into *all* tests
19:41 <@JonnyH> if that's no longer intended, or needs to be changed the cmakelists.txt needs modification too
19:41 <@JonnyH> as currently it allows you to set a cmake variable to change the cd path...
19:42 < SupSuper> i'll investigate. custom arguments should still work fine, they worked for test_serialize
19:42 <@JonnyH> and the test_serialize custom argument gets bitched about too:
19:42 <@JonnyH> /Volumes/JonnyH-USB/Code/projects/OpenApoc-build/ninja/bin/test_serialize "/Volumes/JonnyH-USB/Code/projects/OpenApoc/data/difficulty1_patched" "/Volumes/JonnyH-USB/Code/projects/OpenApoc/data/gamestate_common" "--Framework.CD=/Volumes/JonnyH-USB/Code/projects/OpenApoc/data/cd.iso" "--Framework.Data=/Volumes/JonnyH-USB/Code/projects/OpenApoc/data"
19:42 <@JonnyH> 7: Boost.Test WARNING: token "/Volumes/JonnyH-USB/Code/projects/OpenApoc/data/difficulty1_patched" does not correspond to the Boost.Test argument
19:42 <@JonnyH> 7:                     and should be placed after all Boost.Test arguments and the -- separator.
19:42 <@JonnyH> 7:                     For example: test_serialize --random -- /Volumes/JonnyH-USB/Code/projects/OpenApoc/data/difficulty1_patched
19:43 < SupSuper> so a -- would calm it down?
19:44 <@JonnyH> ..maybe?
19:44 < SupSuper> also what the hell is that ninja folder
19:44 <@JonnyH> if it expects "./test_program --Boost.Test=Args -- --Individual-test-args"
19:45 <@JonnyH> that's the root in which I ran cmake
19:45 <@JonnyH> using ninja instead of 'make', so I put it in a ninja subfolder :P
19:45 <@JonnyH> Gotta go fast, make is too slow
19:46 <@JonnyH> plus is gives better parallelism between libs than make does, 'caus the cmake devs haven't bothered implementing that in the makefile backend (yet?)
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19:48 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] redv opened pull request #325: fixed living quarters counting (master...fix_living_quarters) https://git.io/vbPkM
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19:49 < SupSuper> https://i.imgur.com/UQ8eRUq.png foiled again!
19:51 <@JonnyH> gcc 4.7 will bite you next...
19:51 <@JonnyH> I think we need at least 4.9, but probably not tested anything older than 5.0 for a while..
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19:54 < SupSuper> so much for the almighty packages :p
19:56 < SupSuper> well i know where this vm is going
19:56 < SupSuper> and here i thought i was safe sticking to something as glaciar as debian!!
19:56 <@JonnyH> Just use testing :P
19:56 <@JonnyH> Nobody acutally uses stable...
20:07 < SupSuper> now i need to update vmware as well...
20:08 < SupSuper> linux on windows is looking easier and easier :p
20:08 <@JonnyH> It probably won't repro...
20:08 <@JonnyH> If it works on mac (argument issues nonwithstanding)
20:13 < SupSuper> so testing is debian 10?
20:13 <@JonnyH> no idea
20:14 <@JonnyH> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster seems to say it is
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21:20 < SupSuper> JonnyH: hmmm what's the linux graphical environment du-jour these days?
21:21 < SupSuper> i know that sounds like an oxymoron
21:37 <@JonnyH> I use gnome (which internally now /probably/ uses wayland, but you won't notice the difference)
21:37 <@JonnyH> or xmonad for my dev stuff
21:38 <@JonnyH> which is a tiling wm, so great if you have a pretty static setup of vim & terminals.. but a bit annoying if you have random windows that have a fixed size
21:38 < SupSuper> i fell off gnome since the whole big v3
21:38 <@JonnyH> v3 is pretty good
21:38 <@JonnyH> I didn't really get the fuss...
21:39 < SupSuper> i like my estabilished conventions :p
21:39 <@JonnyH> It kinda already mapped to how I use it anyway - fullscreen/half screen/search instead of clicky-menus
21:39 < SupSuper> plus it doesn't work great on vm's without a bunch of driver setup
21:39 < SupSuper> mate looks tempting. i was using xfce before but that seems too lo-fi
21:41 < SupSuper> i shouldn't put that much thought into a dev vm i only use once a year, but hey i like seeing the current trends
21:41 <@JonnyH> asking me for "current" trends is probably a mistake...
21:41 <@JonnyH> I've only recently moved away form an 80-col limit
21:42 <@JonnyH> one slightly annoying thingwith gnome3 was they moved a few of the options (like disabling the animations that VM drivers don't like) behind a 'tweak tool' menu
21:42 <@JonnyH> so people seemed to shout they'd removed the option... when they just moved it
21:45 < SupSuper> it's not like there's a changelog :p
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21:53 <@JonnyH> Also, as with most software (even worse with oss)
21:53 <@JonnyH> .0 is a *testing* release - wait for .1 :P
21:53 <@JonnyH> so people tried it when it was released, went "This is buggy!" and gave up
22:19 < SupSuper> huh sudo is missing?
22:19 <@JonnyH> ...wut
22:19 <@JonnyH> it in /sbin or something?
22:20 < SupSuper> "debian only installs sudo if there is no root password" oh
22:20 <@JonnyH> 'su -'
22:20 <@JonnyH> type in root password
22:20 <@JonnyH> install sudo
22:20 <@JonnyH> add user to sudoers
22:32 < SupSuper> meanwhile i think building openapoc crashed my vm :p
22:32 <@JonnyH> I'll add that quote to the openapoc build readme ;)
22:47 <@JonnyH> Jeez, whoever designed mac keyboards clearly doesn't use a computer for any length of time...
23:24 < SupSuper> well all that effort and i'm none the wiser. i guess i'll fix the command line and hope travis gets its act together :p
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20:09 <@JonnyH> hey pmprog 
20:09 <@JonnyH> hows things?
20:40 <@pmprog> Hi JonnyH... just going to switch onto the laptop, brb
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20:43 < pmprog_laptop> Hi JonnyH, back. I'm okay, thanks. How's you?
21:05 <@JonnyH> I'm good, started a new job and all that jazz
21:05 <@JonnyH> Not going back to the UK for christmas though, which is  a bit annoying...
21:06 < pmprog_laptop> Congrats on the job!
21:06 <@JonnyH> (If I leave, I have to get a new visa stuck in my passport before they'll let me back in - which takes a month or so to get the appointment, then maybe 1-2 weeks waiting for them to stick it in my passport)
21:06 <@JonnyH> thought it would be a bit much to start a new job, then a week later as for a month holiday :P
21:08 < pmprog_laptop> Shame you can't make it back, but I guess having a new job out there is the best part...
21:08 <@JonnyH> Not being deported is pretty high on my "good things" list :P
21:08 <@JonnyH> I'll stop by a friends house for a bit of xmas day too, so it's not like I'll be sat in a cold dark room by myself all the time...
21:10 <@JonnyH> Planning anything good yourself? Or "just" having a family christmas?
21:10 <@JonnyH> I suppose it probably means something different when you have kids...
21:10 < pmprog_laptop> :) None of your family want a trip out to the states?
21:10 < pmprog_laptop> Nar, we're just staying at home, family popping in for a bit, then just with the wife and lad
21:10 <@JonnyH> Guess they don't care enough for that :P
21:11 <@JonnyH> My sister keeps saying she'll come over
21:11 <@JonnyH> but the next sentance is always about how I'll pay for the flights.... :P
21:11 < pmprog_laptop> lol, they could always make the holiday the focus with the "oh, and we'll pop by and say hello" as the secondary :P
21:14 < pmprog_laptop> Where's your new job at? or is it confidential?
21:15 <@JonnyH> AMD
21:15 <@JonnyH> still doing graphics stuff, but on a different platform :P
21:16 < pmprog_laptop> Cool
21:16 <@JonnyH> though I spend most of my time in a little windowless "vendor room" as a "large, well-known" customer site ;)
21:17 <@JonnyH> Who may or may not have a fruit-based logo.
21:17 < pmprog_laptop> lol
21:17 <@JonnyH> Interestingly, it's in the same building as much of the team that does the mobile graphics
21:17 < pmprog_laptop> I'm guessing that's not a coincidence :)
21:17 <@JonnyH> and it turns out a worryingly large number of my ex co-workers are wandering around those halls
21:17 <@JonnyH> Actually it is :P
21:18 <@JonnyH> The AMD group is unrelated to anything mobile based
21:18 <@JonnyH> but I suppose it's a relatively small world for "system programmers w/a graphics focus"
21:19 < pmprog_laptop> yeah
21:19 <@JonnyH> I didn't really want to work for a large fruit-based company directly, as while it's no doubt 'interesting' and well paid, I feel the work/life balance may suffer
21:19 <@JonnyH> but the group I'm on seems pretty laid back
21:19 < pmprog_laptop> Sounds like the best of both worlds then
21:20 <@JonnyH> Other than the windowless, cramped vendor room - pretty much :P
21:20 < pmprog_laptop> I left my work half hour early today because I have nothing to do
21:20 <@JonnyH> Still get a fruity access badge, still get access to all the fancy cafeterias and stuff
21:20 < pmprog_laptop> Wow, neat
21:21 <@JonnyH> Possibly not paid quite as much - but I still got a ~50% pay rise as part of the change..
21:21 <@JonnyH> so not complaining too much
21:21 < pmprog_laptop> IMO the chance to have "a life" far outweighs money to be made
21:22 <@JonnyH> TBH now I've got this all settled down, I'm looking forward to thinking about things that aren't directly work/interview/whatever related :P
21:23 < pmprog_laptop> Like retirement? ;-)
21:23 <@JonnyH> Soon
21:23 <@JonnyH> Bay area salaries are crazy...
21:24 <@JonnyH> I'd like to "retire" - if only to step back and be secure enough that money isn't a worry when choosing work
21:24 <@JonnyH> I'd probably not deal well with "no structure at all" for months...
21:24 <@JonnyH> I was pretty bad at being unemployed for 2 months :)
21:25 <@JonnyH> (though worry about *needing* a job, else having to vacate the country in 60 days, plus the stress of my visa transfer process being "weird" and not guaranteed didn't help)
21:25 < pmprog_laptop> I could imagine I would be too... but if I was financially sound, I'd just start my own company, regardless of if it made any money :P
21:26 <@JonnyH> I'm "financially sound" in the way that I wasn't worried for those 2 months
21:26 <@JonnyH> and wouldn't be worried for quite a bit longer, without even looking at cashing in "investments"
21:27 <@JonnyH> I know someone who was just laid off who is in a much more difficult position...
21:27 < pmprog_laptop> Yeah, I was kinda referring to "50 years sound" :)
21:27 <@JonnyH> With investments etc. - 50 years and "forever" are probably about the same meaning
21:28 <@JonnyH> I'm a big fan of the current "financial independence" movement
21:28 < pmprog_laptop> yep
21:28 <@JonnyH> I've always been pretty frugal, or at least not too wasteful :)
21:28 <@JonnyH> and the move to the bay area just highlighted the difference in some incomes
21:28 <@JonnyH> I *really* don't understand the people earning well over six figures "struggling to make ends meet"
21:29 <@JonnyH> like the payroll went down for a couple of days and the twice-monthly paychecks got delayed from friday -> monday a coucouple years back
21:29 <@JonnyH> and some people were having to *borrow* to bridge that.... crazy :/
21:30 < pmprog_laptop> I think people exaggerate. I have friends who were earning (combined) 4 times as much as me on my 4 day salary, and my wife doesn't work... They said they were tight
21:30 < pmprog_laptop> Or maybe they just overspend their means
21:31 < pmprog_laptop> I'm not exactly frugal... it's just I can't find anything that I actually *want*
21:32 < pmprog_laptop> I think I've spent over £100 on custom PCBs and parts to build my own GameBoy style Raspberry Pi system... and I'm having issues with it
21:32 < pmprog_laptop> think I'm a bit crap at soldering
21:32 < pmprog_laptop> It's arguably "wasted", as there's plenty of projects like that... but at the same time, it's me learning and playing
21:35 <@JonnyH> all money beyond that to literally survive is "wasted" :P
21:35 <@JonnyH> but I don't want to live in a cardboard box eating scraps :P
21:36 <@JonnyH> Though some of my 'projects' I spend money on never quite get anywhere, or I charge in quicker than necessary (like buy an expensive thing first, when a lower cost thing would have been fine for intro and show it wasn't for me or other issues
21:39 < pmprog_laptop> I still want another go a VHDL, but I'm struggling to get several of my other projects done first (one of which was my GamePi)
21:40 <@JonnyH> I quite like systemverilog - a better fit to my current "programmer" focused knowledge
21:40 < pmprog_laptop> It's all about living within your means. Thankfully I'm quite comfortable on relatively cheap things. I don't go boozing hundreds of pounds each weekend etc.
21:40 <@JonnyH> but support is spotty...
21:40 <@JonnyH> I suspect it's as much the crazy housing market over here (It's *cheaper* for me to rent than the interest for any remotely same mortgage!!)
21:41 <@JonnyH> and one of the guys complaining about "making ends meet" got a tesla a few months before -_-
21:41 < pmprog_laptop> hahaha... was it on a finance agreement?
21:42 <@JonnyH> probably
21:42 <@JonnyH> I got a "cheap" car (though more than I needed, and *new*, as it was a luxury :)
21:42 < pmprog_laptop> Well, that's two "problems" then :P
21:42 <@JonnyH> I ended up getting finance, as they offered more off and 0% for a few months
21:42 < pmprog_laptop> SystemVerilog looks interesting
21:42 <@JonnyH> ('caus car companies over here are really finance companies with a car focus as far as income is concerned)
21:43 <@JonnyH> but I just paid it all off the second the 0% bonus period ended :P
21:43 < pmprog_laptop> :D
22:13 < pmprog_laptop> heading bed. g'night
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23:59 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 5795700 Jonathan Hamilton: Framework build: Add sdl2 library with full path...
23:59 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 5f4b379 Jonathan Hamilton: Update physfs & miniz with some macos build fixes
23:59 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c6ef24d Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #326 from JonnyH/WIP/macos-build-fixes...
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00:06 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f7df886 redv: fixed enterVehicle()
00:06 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ce510fe redv: pixelperfection for AgentAssignment
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00:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 6d53558 redv: fix cannot raid as building destroyed
00:09 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 9ca0a3c Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #310 from redv/fix_cannot_raid...
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00:15 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2e6a18b redv: fixed vehicle bio storage
00:15 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 600975b redv: fixed live alien spotted circle
00:15 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 97fe0d1 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #312 from redv/fix_finish_battle...
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00:19 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e27b84a redv: implemented the BribeScreen
00:19 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ae86cc2 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #313 from redv/bribescreen...
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12:15 < makus> Parkan1986: I have a question:I wanted to edit some player's soldiers stats but i found only one place where i can edit it in data\common_patch\gamestate\agent_types.xml.I edited for test purpose some stats of soldiers,started a new game and...nothing changed.Where i can edit soldiers stats or equipment stats?Does it hardcocded or no?
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13:21 < makus> Hey Mark \o/
13:21 < makus> Parkan1986: I have a question:I wanted to edit some player's soldiers stats but i found only one place where i can edit it in data\common_patch\gamestate\agent_types.xml.I edited for test purpose some stats of soldiers,started a new game and...nothing changed.Where i can edit soldiers stats or equipment stats?Does it hardcocded or no?
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11:03 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] redv opened pull request #327: fixed vehicle.die() (master...fix_vehicle_die) https://git.io/vbAM7
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22:17 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vbxqh
22:17 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 5bc1aff redv: fixed vehicle.die()
22:17 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f31d8b8 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #327 from redv/fix_vehicle_die...
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12:25 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] redv opened pull request #329: refactored the TransactionScreen (master...transactionscreen) https://git.io/vbpiD
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15:59 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] redv opened pull request #331: fixed the mission RecoverVehicle (master...fix_crashed_vehicles) https://git.io/vbjbE
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17:23 <@JonnyH> hey pmprog :)
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18:48 <@pmprog> Hi JonnyH, how's it going?
19:02 <@JonnyH> Alright thanks for asking
19:02 <@JonnyH> Back to work after holiday... trying to remember what I was doing last year (and failing)...
19:03 <@JonnyH> Not that I knew what I was doing then, with the new job and all :P
19:03 <@JonnyH> How are you? Have a good christmas?
19:03 <@pmprog> lol
19:03 <@pmprog> Yeah, I'm okay, thanks. Had a good holiday, and today I found out my boss is leaving
19:03 <@JonnyH> Good? Bad? Indifferent?
19:04 <@JonnyH> I feel I've been lucky, only having "good" bosses so far..
19:04 <@pmprog> Not decided yet. A bit of both. We're good mates, but this might open up some opportunities for me
19:05 <@pmprog> He was generally a good boss, tho sometimes he was a bit too "relaxed"... and whilst I liked relaxed, if it's too relaxed, you kinda end up getting nothing done
19:11 <@JonnyH> Yeah, my last "boss" was more to put someone down as the "official" lead than any management
19:11 <@JonnyH> but the team was ~3 people... so self-managing was actually possible
19:14 <@pmprog> Well, I'm a team all by myself now. There's two people in IT infrastructure, but they don't even have the same boss as me now
19:30 <@JonnyH> Sometimes it's good doing stuff on your own... sometimes not :/
19:30 <@JonnyH> I feel if left on my own I'd never get anything useful done...
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23:21 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] redv opened pull request #337: fixed destructor of GameState (master...fix_gamestate_destructor) https://git.io/vNeyB
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01:57 < SupSuper_> JonnyH: finally, a discord client for you: https://github.com/topisani/Discurses
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20:06 <@pmprog> Hey JonnyH, yeah, not bad, thanks. How's you? I assume you're not in the mudslide?
20:09 <@JonnyH> No, miles away :)
20:10 <@JonnyH> Started my new job though, so once again "I have no idea what I'm doing"
20:11 <@JonnyH> And planning my next trip back to the UK - probably in just over a month - as I need to sort out (yet more) visa stuff
20:11 <@JonnyH> It's almost as if they're /trying/ to make it difficult... :P
20:45 <@pmprog> To be fair, had no idea where the mudslide was. Glad to hear things are good.
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21:26 <@JonnyH> It's more LA than SF
21:26 <@JonnyH> Ugh, just went to a new 'fancy' burger fast food place for lunch
21:26 <@JonnyH> Very tasty... but like a million calories
21:26 <@JonnyH> I had a malt shake that was so thick the straw was functionally useless..
21:27 <@JonnyH> and  now I want a nap instead of working :/
21:27 < SupSuper_> who doesn't
22:05 <@pmprog> Sorry, spent so long trying to put the lad to sleep, think I might have fallen asleep in there too!
22:06 <@pmprog> Hmmm, I like me a good burger
22:06 <@pmprog> I also like sleep too, so that's where I'm heading. Sorry it was a bit short
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21:19 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] redv opened pull request #343: fixed the vehicle's recovery issue (master...fix_vehicle_recovery) https://git.io/vNW2P
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13:49 < makus> Hey Jonny We joined a С++ programmer - he wants to do AI but he needs consultations (Creator - Andrew)
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17:32 < makus> hope he soon contact wich you
17:34 <@JonnyH> sure, I'll be on irc
17:34 <@JonnyH> Or though github for issues/PRs/whatever
17:34 <@JonnyH> I sometimes look at the forums too, though probably not as often as I should :P
17:34 <@JonnyH> but discord just doesn't work with me.. :(
17:36 < makus> yep he in slack and forum
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18:06 <@JonnyH> we have slack too?
18:07 <@JonnyH> Damn, this is getting out of hand... :P
18:42 < makus> )) yes https://freeapoc.slack.com/messages
18:43 <@JonnyH> Eh, still can't use it here..
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19:07 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] redv opened pull request #344: always set pause after research or facility completed (master...set_pause_research_completed) https://git.io/vN8BF
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19:45 < makus> Jonny we can migrate from slack to discord
19:46 < makus> and link discord to IRC by this https://github.com/reactiflux/discord-irc
19:52 <@JonnyH> It all seems workaround for very little benefit...
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20:02 < makus> main its save history and files and its have easy access (discord)
20:03 < makus> and its trend now many ppl use it now
20:10 <@JonnyH> I don't really get the "easy access" point - installing a fancy irc gui seems no more difficult than the irc gui...
20:10 <@JonnyH> ..errm... discord gui at the end there ;)
20:52 < makus> discord can be access by just open browser page =]
20:53 < makus> by invite link https://discord.gg/qCH932
20:53 < makus> Creator join - right here
20:54 < makus> oh hour past)
21:00 < Creator> Hello. Can someone explain me some thing about OpenApoc C++ code?
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21:01 < Creator> I want to improove AI. But I have a question. What is currently implemented and which functions are responsible for what?
21:01 < makus> Creator join to discord so you can speak there by voice (1 more discord advantage)
21:07 <@JonnyH> AI in what sense? There's 2 levels, the 'strategic' layer and the 'tactical' layer
21:07 <@JonnyH> IIRc the strategic layer doesn't really do much right now...
21:08 <@JonnyH> At least not a 'global' AI - vehicles and agents are given 'mission' queues, that might be the place to start for that
21:09 <@JonnyH> see /game/state/city/vehiclemission.cpp and /game/state/city/agentmission.cpp for those
21:09 <@JonnyH> for the tactical stuff see the /game/state/battle/ai folder
21:09 <@JonnyH> TBH we don't want it /too/ clever, for the most part verison 1.0 is designed to be as similar to the original as possible
21:10 <@JonnyH> so any 'new' ideas should be disable-able
21:10 <@JonnyH> I mean /completely/ new, clear improvements on vanilla behaviour is fine
21:11 <@JonnyH> and I'm not sure if all the systems are implemented yes - Istrebitel did most of the battle work
21:13 < Creator> Is agentmission.cpp responsible for battlescape?
21:15 <@JonnyH> agentmission.cpp is responsible for the specific movement of agents in the cityscape, not the battlescape
21:15 <@JonnyH> All of the battle stuff is in game/state/battle/ai
21:15 < Creator> ok
21:16 <@JonnyH> if you look much of that is non-implemented stubs though... so lots to improve ;)
21:17 < Creator> Can you tell me which function is initial - which one starts thinking for vehicles and for battlescape units?
21:18 < Creator> I mean something like "AIUpdate" called in each frame.
21:20 <@JonnyH> in GameState::updatE()
21:20 <@JonnyH> you can see "Organisation::updateMissions()" get called on all organisations (that does the initial mission planning and things)
21:21 <@JonnyH> then just after that update() is called on all vehicles and agents, which is the call that performs the task for that 'tick' acording to their current mission (like 'goto place', 'shoot enemy' or whatever)
21:21 <@JonnyH> if that's what you're asking...
21:22 < Creator> As I understand it is for both vehicles in cityscape and units in battlesape. Right?
21:22 <@JonnyH> No, battlespace is different
21:22 <@JonnyH> in GameState::updatE() is calls Battle::update() if in a battle
21:23 <@JonnyH> that calls update() on all units, which does the per-unit already planned actions
21:24 < Creator> Okay. And the last question - which pathfinding algorythm do you use? Does it support weights for cells?
21:24 <@JonnyH> then AIBlockTactical::think() is called that does that does the 'global' AI and assigns plans
21:25 <@JonnyH> It uses a (rather inefficient) A* in TileMap::findShortestPath()
21:26 < Creator> Can I set weight matrix for it?
21:26 <@JonnyH> which can supports weights in the battlescape by using BattleUnitTileHelper::getDistance()
21:27 <@JonnyH> it's split into slightly different versions for a Battle, a generic TileMap (which is also used in the City), one for the city's roadmap...
21:28 <@JonnyH> and code to cope with 'group' moves
21:29 < Creator> My idea is to determine which cells are seen by the enemy and at which cells enemy can fire. Visible cells must be avoided (artifical wall must be created for pathfinding by raising weights in matix).
21:29 <@JonnyH> probably 'visibility' testing should be done by sending a ray throgh the LOS voxel blocks, not the pathfinding code as such
21:30 < Creator> Pathfinding is next step after visibility was determined.
21:30 <@JonnyH> and not sure if the ai discriminates between "Unknown" tiles, and tiles that have known scenery but no longer visible ("Fog of war" style)
21:30 <@JonnyH> Most of this is Istrebitels work, so my knowledge of this area isn't great :)
21:31 < Creator> Ok then. I'll ask him.
21:31 <@JonnyH> If he's around, he's been busy with other stuff recently...
21:31 <@JonnyH> Might be on discord/whatever more often though
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21:32 <@JonnyH> The firewall here blocks all that, and discord is awful on linux...
21:33 < Creator> Thanks for information. Bye.
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17:39 < Andrey_> Hello Jonny. One more thing I want to ask. How to access cells? I want to check what is located in a cell with known coordinates.
17:40 <@JonnyH> You probably want to look at the TileMap
17:40 <@JonnyH> you can call getTile(x, y, z);
17:41 <@JonnyH> then in the returned Tile object you can look at all the 'ownedObjects'
17:41 <@JonnyH> all TileObjects are 'owned' by a single tile
17:41 <@JonnyH> but they can 'intersect' multiple tiles (e.g. large units, things currently in the process of moving between tiles in realtime mode)
17:42 <@JonnyH> which is what 'intersectingObjects' is
17:44 < Andrey_> It is fast way? What if I call it hundreds of times per frame?
17:44 < Andrey_> Or should I real all tiles into a massive and work witn it to increase speed?
17:45 < Andrey_> *read* - not real (typo)
17:51 <@JonnyH> It's not slow, it's a direct lookup into an array so should be (relatively) cache friendly
17:51 <@JonnyH> dependnong on access order...
17:51 <@JonnyH> I'd just call it as needed unless you profile it and it's shown to be a performance issue
17:52 <@JonnyH> at this point writing things with 'programmer friendly' mindset makes sense, even if it's not optimal speed
17:52 <@JonnyH> once everything is together and (kinda) working we can profile and try to speed up stuff as needed
17:52 < Andrey_> Ok. Thx.
17:52 <@JonnyH> especially as sometimes with modern CPUs doing "weird" stuff with caches/superscaler execution/speculation etc.
17:52 <@JonnyH> "unexpected" things can be faster or slower than you think ;)
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21:46 < Skin36> hi JonnyH
21:56 < JonnyH> hey Skin36 
21:57 < Skin36> im see this
21:57 < Skin36> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/openapoc_dumped_images/dumped_data/xcom3/tacdata/
21:58 < Skin36> im not see UNITLOFT
21:58 < Skin36> can u add this ?
22:02 < JonnyH> sure, I can have a look...
22:02 < Skin36> TY
22:02 < JonnyH> Odd it wasn't caught already - presumably it didn't match my search...
22:02 < JonnyH> Is it a LOFTEMPS format?
22:03 < Skin36> Yes, I think
22:04 < JonnyH> probably why... I think it tried to load it as a pck image, failed, so ignored it...
22:05 < Skin36> it is used identically with LOFTEMPS
22:07 < Skin36> although I still check, there may be some difference. Is this file used in the opnapoc?
22:11 < JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/openapoc_dumped_images/dumped_data/xcom3/tacdata/unitloft/
22:16 < Skin36> ty
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19:14 < Andrey_> I found a bug in OpenApoc. Vehicles are not fueled and not refueled. Engine->ammo = 0. Always. This is why they crash after FUEL_TICKS_PER_UNIT has elapsed.
19:16 < Andrey_> I tested it with ground vehicles you get in the beginning of game. Maybe initial fueling is broken.
19:19 < Andrey_> Vehicles you buy in the shop are fueled.
19:21 < Andrey_> If you remove its engine and install it again then it becomes fueled. Yes, initial fueling is broken.
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18:07 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] redv opened pull request #347: WIP: implementation of the Observer pattern [incomplete] (master...observer) https://git.io/vNrYk
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19:28 < AndreyCreator> Can someone help me? OpenApoc stopped working. It says "can not open gamestate_common" for some reason. It worked yeaterday. I don't understand what happened.
19:33 < JonnyH> is there a "gamestate_common" folder in the (current working directory)/data?
19:40 < AndreyCreator> Here is the problem in details. the game has to create some zip-files on first start, but it doe not do it. No "gamestate_common" there. I tried to download "clean" version on OpenApoc-master and got this error. The error with "gamestate_common." But it was my second try. Before it I tried to start my OpenApoc version I edited. It did not fiund 54ufo4 file. But everything was ok yesterday. I don't understand the problem. Not
19:41 < JonnyH> It doesn't generate the .zip files at first start, but as part of the build
19:42 < JonnyH> It's probably that the working directory is wrong (should be the root of the git repository), or it couldn't find the cd.iso (or it's damaged)
19:42 < JonnyH> there's probably a failure message from the data build target
19:43 < JonnyH> but it can often be hard to see...
19:44 < AndreyCreator> Ok. I'll look at the "data" build.
19:48 < AndreyCreator> It started to work after rebuilding "data". Thanks.
19:50 < AndreyCreator> By the way, I replied to you on github. https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/pull/345
20:01 < JonnyH> Yeah, I'm at work right now so can't really look too deep into that :P
20:01 < JonnyH> But adding a Framework::getTicks() or getRealTime() or whatever would be preferable to calling SDL directly
20:02 < JonnyH> Only the framework should have /any/ sdl stuff visibly
20:12 < AndreyCreator> Ok.
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18:03 < AndreyCreator> Hello Jonny. I uploaded changes to Guthub and got this error: https://travis-ci.org/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/builds/332889699?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification Can you tell me what is wrong here?
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19:02 <@JonnyH> AndreyCreator: There's a linter that checks for code formatting
19:02 <@JonnyH> it uses clang-format 4.0 and the config file checked into git
19:02 <@JonnyH> either you can look at the diffs that build generates, or install clang-format 4.0 locally and use that
19:03 <@JonnyH> (and yes, the version is important - 4.x should be fine, but 3.x or 5.x disagree, even on the same config...)
19:03 <@JonnyH> IIRC there's a msvc plugin for clang-format too if you don't like command lines
19:03 <@JonnyH> but again, make sure the version it's using behind the scenes is correct
19:04 < SupSuper> well you can just run the clang-format.bat but it's a bit slow going through everything
19:06 <@JonnyH> there's tools/lint.sh that uses the current git staging files
19:06 <@JonnyH> might be possible to port to cmd, or just install wsl and bash :P
19:07 <@JonnyH> but that just prints out the diffs, you can either apply them manually or use 'patch' or whatever
19:07 < SupSuper> how linux of you :P
19:08 <@JonnyH> Composing tools is the way of the gods
19:11 < AndreyCreator> Ok. I will look for clang-format.
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19:13 < SupSuper> how goes openapoc anyways? seems you got a lot of devs now, but no juicy bullet points
19:14 <@JonnyH> I've been incredably busy the last couple of weeks
19:15 <@JonnyH> so barely been able to even review & merge stuff
19:20 <@JonnyH> I've got sign off for putting some time in "kinda work related" stuff though
19:20 <@JonnyH> for like a 20% time project or equivalent
19:21 <@JonnyH> but it looks like dolphin is a better match for that right now (writing a metal gpu backend)
19:21 <@JonnyH> I probably could write a metal renderer for openapoc.. but that wouldn't really benefit much :/
19:23 <@JonnyH> though I /do/ need to fix the multhreaded Image destructor...
19:24 <@JonnyH> e.g. if a thread is the thing that destroys an Image isn't the one the Renderer bound the gl context in, it won't actually destroy the texture (and thus leak)
19:24 <@JonnyH> it happens a bit in the threaded loaders...
19:24 <@JonnyH> I noticed that instead of silently leaking (like on other platforms), the mac gl driver explodes instead
19:25 <@JonnyH> It was kinda not a priority to me, as it tended to leak a single image at game load... but if it crashes instead that's a bigger deal
19:27 < SupSuper> i thought metal was dead? or am i confusing it with mantle? so many weirdly-named gpu layers :p
20:00 <@JonnyH> Mantle is dead
20:01 <@JonnyH> It was AMD's prototype, that became vulkan
20:01 < SupSuper> civ6 still has a mantle api :p
20:02 <@JonnyH> yeah, but it probably could be ported to vulkan pretty easily...
20:02 < SupSuper> admittedly, "civ" and "cutting-edge graphics" is not something i normally associate
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18:33 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SiemensSchuckert opened pull request #349: cityscape UI text (master...cityscape_UI_text) https://git.io/vN1Cm
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09:04 < AndreyCreator> Hello everybody. Can you tell me how to make a unit to turn in cityscape?
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20:23 < Anag> just started to play apoc first time in years and saw this, how is the situation atm?
20:23 < Anag> does it work?
20:25 < Anag> and of course another fin here too, with name of beercase...
20:39 < Anag> hm, gog-version doesn't work with this?
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09:30 <@Istrebitel> If you're still around Anag, both gog and steam do work with this. The game is completely playable from start to finish (you can start the game and finish the game) but not all features are complete yet, so it's not a replacement for true Apoc experience yet (for example we don'. People are working to complete the game and we're always looking for those willing to contribute.
09:31 <@Istrebitel> (for example we don't have funding yet, we don't have corps demanding money for hostile actions, we don't have corps base assaulting you, and battle AI is not yet very fleshed out)
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16:32 < AndreyCreator> Hello. Tell me please how can I update localization *.mo files.
16:41 < AndreyCreator> Found already.
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17:49 < Anag> Istrebitel: yea, i noticed. Looks good thou so far
17:49 < Anag> thou i hope ui gets better still, but mousescroll works! Hallelujah!
17:49 < Anag> +wheel
17:50 < Anag> right clicking equipment to unequip it would be swell
17:50 < Anag> and wasd-camera
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18:54 <@JonnyH> What PRs still need merging?
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19:06 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #329: refactored the TransactionScreen (master...transactionscreen) https://git.io/vbpiD
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19:10 <@JonnyH> I'm probably going to give "redv" commit access too..
19:10 <@JonnyH> I can't block _everything_ by being the bottleneck for merging :P
19:11 < SupSuper> what could possibly go wrong
19:11 <@JonnyH> Eh, most of what I check is on travis now....
19:11 <@JonnyH> So long as they actually see the pass/fail message and don't just ignore it...
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19:15 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vNH5j
19:15 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 115072d redv: fixed the mission RecoverVehicle
19:15 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 4f3aa5f redv: only X-Com can storm UFO
19:15 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master ef44606 redv: fixed smoke diplication for crashed vehicles
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19:16 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #337: fixed destructor of GameState (master...fix_gamestate_destructor) https://git.io/vNeyB
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19:17 < SupSuper> i guess he got tired of us leaving his PRs hanging for months
19:17 <@JonnyH> Ya know you can review & merge too :P
19:18 < SupSuper> mostly we didn't wanna :P it's harder to review & merge when the project is already feature-complete
19:19 < SupSuper> eventually you need to come up with a focus for the project :P
19:19 <@JonnyH> Eh.... That would involve deciding myself
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19:22 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #338: implemented the ScoreScreen (master...scorescreen) https://git.io/vNU7L
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19:23 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #342: fixed mission timers (master...fix_mission_timers) https://git.io/vNW0k
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19:26 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #343: fixed the vehicle's recovery issue (master...fix_vehicle_recovery) https://git.io/vNW2P
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19:29 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH closed pull request #344: always set pause after research or facility completed (master...set_pause_research_completed) https://git.io/vN8BF
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17:12 <@JonnyH> Istrebitel: Spam I guess :P
17:13 <@JonnyH> They've hit a number of 'open source' channels the last few weeks
17:13 <@JonnyH> I'm kinda surprised #openapoc even registered on their list :P
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21:06 < AndreyCreator> Hello Jonny. Help me please with github. I pulled some changes here: https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/pull/345/commits/ff13484ef1aa2f8a600d3461044511c7b2265189 and Github said that there are conflicts. And I don't know how to resolve them.
21:07 < AndreyCreator> I tried to edit files but Travis CI found a lot of errors for some reason. Tell me how to resolve conflicts correctly.
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19:54 < AndreyCreator> Hello Jonny. I made exactly what you wrote on github. bu a problem appeared. When I tried to somve a problem for the first time I created 2 requests: "Merge branch 'master' into master" and "Revert". So, console git applies all changes including "revert" and return me back to old OpenApoc version. Is there a way to remove these 2 requests from Github?
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20:10 < SupSuper_> AndreyCreator: a github pull request corresponds to a git branch. it's not recommended to make a pull request on master as it'll catch every commit you make, before and after you open the pull request
20:11 < SupSuper_> it's recommended you make a separate branch for each pull request so you can include only the relevant commits in it
20:11 < AndreyCreator> Okay, but what should I do now to exit the situation?
20:13 < AndreyCreator> Do you recommend to close request and create new one?
20:13 < SupSuper_> yes you can just close the pull request, no changes will be done to git
20:14 < SupSuper_> look at the other pull requests, see how they're focused on a specific feature or fix. then try to organize your commits the same way
20:14 < SupSuper_> that makes it easier to review and merge pull requests
20:15 < AndreyCreator> And then I can "git rebase upstream/master", fix all conflicts and upload changes again, right?
20:15 < SupSuper_> yes
20:15 < AndreyCreator> Okay, I will do so.
20:16 < SupSuper_> JonnyH cn give you more specific git advice
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20:16 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] AndreyCreator closed pull request #345: 9 bugs fixed. 2 additions made. (master...master) https://git.io/vNVIc
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22:49 <@JonnyH> blerg, he left... :(
22:50 <@JonnyH> IF he comes back, or has logs, if you want to remove commits you can "git rebase -i"
22:50 <@JonnyH> that will open a text editor with a line of each commits you're rebasing
22:50 <@JonnyH> you can remove then just by deleting the line
22:50 < SupSuper_> i guess you can tell him in his next PR :p
22:50 <@JonnyH> then after saving and quitting it'll continue the rebase...
22:51 <@JonnyH> Probably... though I'm current in bed with the flu or something...
22:51 <@JonnyH> Or at least a man cold :P
22:51 <@JonnyH> thinking isn't my strong point right now
22:52 < SupSuper_> damn, and i was about to ask if you knew anything about GPU stuff
22:53 <@JonnyH> I know many ways to break gpus, if that's what you're asking... :P
22:53 <@JonnyH> but I'm off back to bed now - I might be back later today, or tomorrow...
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22:54 < SupSuper_> get well
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18:04 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] AndreyCreator opened pull request #351: All my changes here (master...master) https://git.io/vAno2
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00:59 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] rogersachan opened pull request #352: Clean README formatting (master...master) https://git.io/vABwv
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00:39 < superusercode> I'm guessing this is used less than the discord?
00:40 < SupSuper_> both are fairly quiet
00:40 < superusercode> fair enough
00:40 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I've not been able to do much recently
00:40 <@JonnyH> and others seem to use discord more...
00:41 < superusercode> You could always use something like matrix and bridge this and the general channel of the discord together
00:41 <@JonnyH> Maybe, but I'm not really involved with the discord stuff at all
00:43 < superusercode> fair enough
00:48 < SupSuper_> devs only speak via pull requests :p
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14:31 < devins2518> hey guys
14:32 < devins2518> if anyones here
14:32 < devins2518> i just wanna put out an announcement that I'm going to be developing the MacOS port of OpenApoc alone, but if you guys know anyone then feel free to tell them to help me out
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17:13 < superusercode> Are any of the operators available?
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17:21 < makus> Hey 2 All )
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17:22 < makus> We want to connect IRC to discord and super can do it )
17:22 < makus> need permission from Jonny )
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17:35 < makus> \0/ Jonny
17:36 <@JonnyH> o7
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17:38 < superusercode> THere's a bot that should ask you whether or not you want my client to access this channel. JonnyH
17:38 < superusercode> Can you accept it?
17:39 <@JonnyH> Eh, maybe, for the -dev channel
17:40 <@JonnyH> I don't wnat this filled with "funny gifs" :P
17:40 <@JonnyH> where is it going to ask me? pm on irc?
17:41 < superusercode> You mean for the connection between this and discord?
17:43 < makus> we create irc channel at discord ... i think or anyway here not many ppl)
17:44 < makus> so some funny gifs don't spoil something)
17:44 < superusercode> That would be a good idea
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18:08 < superusercode> test
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03:30 < superusercode> JonnyH pmprog  Either of you on? I've got the bidirectional mirror bot working now
03:30 < superusercode> The request should look like this
03:30 < superusercode> @superusercode:matrix.org has requested to bridge 'OpenApoc' (https://matrix.to/#/#openapoc:matrix.org) with #openapoctest on this IRC network. Respond with 'yes' or 'y' to allow, or simply ignore this message to disallow. You have 300 seconds from when this message was sen
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16:53 < makus> link
16:53 < makus> ?
16:54 <@JonnyH> just about to have a meeting, if I need to do anything it'll have to wait an hour or so
16:56 < superusercode> alright
17:00 < makus> just checkin
17:01 < makus> if no matrix user i gues not )
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18:00 <@JonnyH> Right, I'm back - what do I need to do?
18:19 < superusercode> JonnyH: You're going to get a PM from MatrixBot asking for permission
18:19 < superusercode> Ready?
18:20 <@JonnyH> sure
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18:20 <@JonnyH> did we decide which channel to link iup?
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18:20 <@JonnyH> Development? Or a new one?
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18:21 < superusercode> This is just linking up the bot
18:21 < superusercode> It hasn't made a link to discord yet
18:21 < superusercode> I think it was either #developement or #irc that we were going to link to
18:22 < superusercode> Did you get the PM from MatrixBot?
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18:24 < superusercode> If you didn't I can send it again
18:24 <@JonnyH> I said yes...
18:24 <@JonnyH> Hopefully it'll all work now?
18:25 < superusercode> It should
18:25 < superusercode> Yeah it's working now
18:25 <@JonnyH> cool
18:25 < superusercode> Time to get the second part done then
18:25 <@JonnyH> I think development would be an ok channel for now
18:26 < superusercode> yeah
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18:26 < superusercode> test
18:26 <@JonnyH> but I won't be so strict that "offtopic = ban!" unless it gets silly...
18:27 < superusercode> I haven't seen people go off-topic yet, so hopefully that won't be needed
18:31 <@JonnyH> I mean this is normally where I idle, and I'm ok with shitposting, but don't want dev talk to be /completely/ lost in the noise :)
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18:37 < superusercode> !discord bridge 142798944970211328 423548178739101706
18:37 -M_discord_bot[m]:#OpenApoc- I'm asking permission from the guild administrators to make this bridge.
18:37 -M_discord_bot[m]:#OpenApoc- I have bridged this room to your channel
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18:38 < FilmBoy849294[m]> superusercode Am i able to change the bot name as normal? Or will this screw things up
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18:38 < superusercode362> I think you can change the bot name
18:38 < superusercode362> Each user will be represented as their own bot anyway
18:39 < superusercode> like this
18:39 < LucasOne> or like this
18:40 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Excellent, many thanks
18:40 < superusercode362> �
18:40 < superusercode362> anytime
18:40 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Now to check the Freenode IRC and see if this appears there..
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18:40 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Test
18:40 < superusercode362> Doing fine so far
18:40  * superusercode362 uploaded an image: unknown.png (75KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/t2bot.io/0942a1319d46f2164f5ccf030fc6efe9>
18:41 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Confirmed 😄 Many thanks for all your help
18:41  * FilmBoy849294[m] uploaded an image: unknown.png (298KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/t2bot.io/84c45814c6d17948e9dbc77bf83ae87f>
18:41 < superusercode362> yup
18:42 < FilmBoy84> Testing IRC to Discord....
18:44 < FilmBoy849294[m]> 😄
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18:53 <@JonnyH> irc to discord works?
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18:54 < jtrhamilton3092[> hmm.. if it works the latency is pretty high
18:54 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Seems to be around a 4sec delay here
18:55 <@JonnyH> Still haven't seen my last irc message on discord...
18:55 < jtrhamilton3092[> Oh, that showed up...
18:55 < jtrhamilton3092[> Weird the first one didn't
18:55 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Im also trying to work out why if the channel is made private (open only to dev roles) and even with the Developer (GitHub) role added to permissions superusercode gets booted from the channel on saving the new permissions
18:55 < FilmBoy849294[m]> So left it public again for now
18:55 <@JonnyH> naa, public channel is cool
18:56 < FilmBoy849294[m]> 😃 If you are ok with that
18:56 <@JonnyH> I'll be on irc much more than discord
18:56 <@JonnyH> so makes sense if any non-devs ever want to speak to me :)
18:57 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Cool, i'll leave open then and remove my message to ankor regarding what he wanted to do about it
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19:14 < superusercode> That's weird, the latency is usually lower than that
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19:16 < superusercode> let me go ask the bot managers what's going on
19:29 <@JonnyH> I never got my first message...
19:30 <@JonnyH> Maybe the first one is special as it has to spawn your users bot?
19:30 <@JonnyH> but it'll be annoying if the first thing anyone ever says is lost to the aether
19:42 < superusercode> Usually the whole thing is pretty stable, but the whole Matrix network seems pretty wonky today
19:43 < nadir> ... wait, does the bridge bot actually bring in a bot for every user..? O_o
19:44 < LucasOne> yup
19:44 < superusercode> There's either somone trying to spam the network again or synapse is collapsing in on itself again
19:52 < superusercode362> yup this is going to take a while
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19:52 < superusercode362> sucks that this happened right after I set it up
19:52 < SupSuper> clearly openapoc is too popular :p
19:53 < SupSuper> it's not so much a discord <-> irc bridge as it is a discord <-> matrix <-> irc bridge
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19:58 < superusercode> The reason I chose this layout was because before today there was little to no lag
19:58 < superusercode> Now it seems like the matrix homeserver is about to die
19:59 < superusercode> To think they invested five million dollars into this
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20:04 < makus> wow) so many double nicks
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20:25 < superusercode> testing
20:26 < superusercode> matrix/irc -> is still down right now
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20:26 < superusercode362> So ETA is ~1 day then
20:27 < superusercode362> hopefully it stays like that
20:27 < makus> yep
20:29 < SupSuper> btw JonnyH you use PhysFS on openapoc right? what's it like?
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20:38 <@JonnyH>  SupSuper: It's pretty solid for a vfs wrapper
20:38 <@JonnyH> cross platform is nice
20:38 <@JonnyH> probably the only (non-commercial) cross platform library for that with multiple archive (zip, iso) support
20:38 <@JonnyH> It was a PITA to start as they only relatively recently fixed their iso support - it was /horribly/ broken when I first tried using it for openapoc...
20:38 <@JonnyH> but seems solid now
20:39 < SupSuper> i imagine it's not a common use case
20:39 < SupSuper> i've been wondering if i should use it for openxcom instead of the current home-rolled solution but ugh ~~dependencies~~
20:39 <@JonnyH> physfs can disable pretty much every archive format that has any external dependencies
20:39 <@JonnyH> it even has it's own built-in version of libz
20:40 <@JonnyH> if you don't care about weird stuff like 7z or rar archives just disable them
20:40 < SupSuper> well i mean physfs itself is a dependency :p you've seen how we do things at openxcom
20:40 <@JonnyH> and it's pretty much a dumb set of C files, archivers are selected using #defines
20:41 < SupSuper> will consider it for future projects though, since a virtual file system is pretty much a must-have for moddable games
20:41 <@JonnyH> so you can add it to the build easy enough manually, and no long c++ build times
20:42 <@JonnyH> If you could /guarantee/ linux, you could use the system vfs layers with mounts & links and stuff
20:42 <@JonnyH> and a fuse module for anything fancy
20:42 <@JonnyH> which sounds cool, as then you could inspect & modify the vfs using standard tools etc.
20:42 < SupSuper> now you're just being scary :p
20:42 <@JonnyH> but very not cross platform...
21:31 < Lightkey> they? wasn't it just one of icculus' many side projects? :p
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22:26 < superusercode> Matrix <-> IRC is down to zero delay now, so that's a good sign
22:28 <@JonnyH> :/ on my screen it's completely desynced
22:29 < superusercode> It should be totally functional again in the morning
22:31 <@JonnyH> I should ask what citra use :P
22:31 <@JonnyH> their bot seems to be fine
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03:50 < superusercode362> The service is starting to recover now
04:01 < superusercode> there should be bidirectional mirroring now
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04:02 < LucasOne> delay is back down to ~10secs , should be ~1 sec by morning
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04:04 < makus> oh irs even show users in discord?
04:05 < makus> coool
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05:38 < YatakaShimaoka78> Morning
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05:40 < Yataka> Test1
05:41 < YatakaShimaoka78> Relay test1
05:41 < Yataka> Test2
05:42 < YatakaShimaoka78> Relay test2
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06:00 < superusercode362> IRC <-> discord <-> matrix should be restored now
06:00 < superusercode> works both ways as far as I can see
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06:01 < LucasOne> irc <-> specifically
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06:24 < superusercode362> Here's the link to the matrix room btw https://matrix.to/#/#openapoc:matrix.org
06:24 < superusercode362> Think of it like a free IRC bouncer
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08:47 < scionga2> hi
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10:03 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Welcome @scionga2
11:25 < YatakaShimaoka78> You know what? We should rename this channel as "Discord-IRC_Bridge"
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15:26 < FilmBoy849294[m]> I've made an update to the Cut Features thread with some new video for those interested...
15:26 < FilmBoy849294[m]> http://openapoc.org/threads/beta-observed-cut-functions-behaviours-items-and-units.241/
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17:18 < superusercode> test
17:19 < superusercode> all the latency is gone now
17:21 <@JonnyH> cool :)
18:43 < FilmBoy849294[m]> skin36 Is the Auto-Save feature from BETA still in the vanilla code? (Used to be activated under debug via "alt-a")
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18:52 <@JonnyH> I have some local changes that hopefully speed up save file generation on openapoc too - so hopefully Soon(tm) adding autosaves won't be as big a deal...
18:53 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Oooo, excellent news. Will look forward to those changes
18:54 <@JonnyH> I have a couple of things in progress
18:55 <@JonnyH> 1) using a threaded renderer (this is /required/ to stop crashes on macos when using async loading threads, as sometimes images are destroyed ina  different thread to the GL renderer causing crashes on macos, other platforms just cause small memory leaks...)
18:55 <@JonnyH> 2) removing sp<> use in StateRefs (helps saving speed a fair bit)
18:56 <@JonnyH> 2) object pools for strings and Tiles (helps saving speed a lot)
18:56 <@JonnyH> ...3) for the last one :)
19:00 <@JonnyH> I had a quick look at other (non-xml) markups, but there were only small gains
19:01 <@JonnyH> the real cost was going through and copying/stringifying the game state data, not so much the actual writing of xml
19:03 < SupSuper> but when's vulkan! :p
19:06 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Threaded renderer sounds most appealing; great stuff
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19:56 < superusercode362> Didn't Vulkan get support for macOS recently?
19:57 < superusercode362> I remember getting an email from them about Valve doing this and a DX12 layer as well.
20:00 <@JonnyH> FilmBoy849294[m]: it doesn't really improve performance much
20:00 <@JonnyH> as the gl stuff is already pretty efficient...
20:00 <@JonnyH> at least for the gles3 path.. which isn't supported on macos :P
20:00 < SupSuper> isn't macos betting on metal?
20:00 <@JonnyH> they're 100% metal and metal only
20:07 < SupSuper> JonnyH: oh hey: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2018/01/10/cmake-support-in-visual-studio-test-explorer-integration-cmake-3-10/
20:09 <@JonnyH> yeah, all I need to do is tweak the cmakelists.txt not to assume posix :P
20:09 <@JonnyH> Probably not too hard...
20:09 <@JonnyH> but in my experience cmake-on-windows is a PITA if you have to run the build to get a vs project...
20:09 <@JonnyH> hopefully this integration is starting to fix that
20:10 < superusercode> Vulkan for macOS is basically a thin compat layer for Metal https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/02/vulkan-is-coming-to-macos-ios-but-no-thanks-to-apple/
20:10 < superusercode> So using vulkan on macOS technically is native
20:11 < SupSuper> yeah the cmake integration in vs2017 is much better than just using cmake separately
20:11 < SupSuper> since you just open the folder like a solution and visual studio does the rest in the background
20:12 < SupSuper> it even has cmake intellisense, if you're brave enough :p
20:13 <@JonnyH> moltenvk isn't "native"...
20:13 <@JonnyH> it's a pretty thick layer in some parts
20:13 <@JonnyH> the same way that wine allows dx11 on linux "native" or something :P
20:13 < SupSuper> i think the only issue i had last time was resolving cmake dependencies in windows... maybe i'll give it another go some time
20:14 < SupSuper> easier than trying to retrofit your tests to boost :p
20:14 <@JonnyH> maybe
20:14 <@JonnyH> but I doubt much the tests do is platform specific anyway...
20:14 <@JonnyH> so long as the travis build runs them you're probably getting most of the (minimal) coverage anyway..
20:14 < SupSuper> yeah, the issue with boost.test was we couldn't figure out how to get it in the build system
20:21 < SupSuper> and appveyor still has no info on running ctests...
20:22 < SupSuper> gotta say their docs are pretty appaling
20:43 < superusercode362> I hate the appveyor documentation
20:44 < superusercode362> there are a lot of different ways to do one thing, yet with every update it gets even more confusing
20:44 < superusercode362> The GUI build controls don't help
20:44 <@JonnyH> TBH getting automatic reproduce-able builds on windows seems near impossible without the complexities of a CI system,,,
20:45 < superusercode362> you still can't choose a custom target, so if you converted an old solution with an x86 build (called Win32 before in VS) you either need to rename it or get screwed
20:45 < superusercode362> and they haven't even bothered to update the VS17 images with DirectX yet
20:46 < superusercode362> They added linux builds to appveyor, so I hope they actually go back and fix things
20:46 <@JonnyH> msbuild /p:Platform=win32 worked for me...
20:52 < superusercode362> That issues lies in the GUI for me
20:52 < superusercode362> not so much doing everything by the yaml file
20:52 < Ankor7051[m]> sup you in hidden in discrd?
20:53 < Ankor7051[m]> why cos why you not shown as bot
20:53 < SupSuper> see?
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20:53 < SupSuper6860[m]> i'm in both discord and irc
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20:54 < SupSuper6860[m]> i guess it only creates a bot after i talk in here
20:54 < Ankor7051[m]> no i see you but not superusercode
20:55 < jtrhamilton3092[> It's bots all the way down
20:55 < Ankor7051[m]> in right list in disc but he write somtng and display as not bot
20:55 < makus> test
20:56 < SupSuper6860[m]> mysterious
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20:56 < Ankor> test by ankor
20:57 < superusercode362> maybe each user is their own webhook?
20:57 < SupSuper6860[m]> since he set it up, maybe he's connected via something else
20:57 < superusercode362> or it's one webhook posing as multiple people?
20:57 < superusercode362> pretty sure it was the latter
20:57 < superusercode362> yeah, it's just a webhook that's changing its name
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21:02 < SupSuper6860[m]> superusercode yeah but your webhook looks custom
21:02 < SupSuper6860[m]> since it has an avatar and all
21:02 < SupSuper6860[m]> i guess that's a matrix thing?
21:02 < superusercode362> I'm pretty sure it is
21:02 < Ankor7051[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNRXPugFaM&lc=UgyUKP7pk50bhizOJgN4AaABAg i leave som comm
21:02 < superusercode362> matrix devs bend over backwards in all sorts of ways to make things look good on whatever platforms that's being bridged
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20:38 < SupSuper> JonnyH: your cmakes are a mess :p
20:44 <@JonnyH> my cmakes are a terrible mess...
20:44 <@JonnyH> each is a snapshot on what I know/how I think things "should" be done at any one time...
20:45 < SupSuper> they mostly work, but they also completely ignore the existence of WIN32 :)
20:45 < SupSuper> "hmmm pkgconfig on win32? sure why not"
20:45 <@JonnyH> yup, I /knew/ there was no win32 support
20:46 <@JonnyH> as stuff like pkgconfig is /soooo/ much easier than wrapping it in a win32-compatible way too...
20:46 <@JonnyH> I tried to use a FindPackage module if cmake already shipped one for each, but lots don't
20:46 < SupSuper> well the biggest headache has been tracking down all the missing windows defines
20:47 < SupSuper> and kinda weird that cmake doesn't have a standardized way of finding sdl2 yet (apparently you can use FindPackage on linux but it doesn't work so good on windows because ???)
20:48 <@JonnyH> probably as there's no one true way of doing dependencies on windows
20:48 <@JonnyH> do you have a "system" version of a library? Should it be installed in the sdk? Packaged as a binary in each project? Some out-of-band binary "dependencies"
20:48 <@JonnyH>  ...zip?
20:49 < SupSuper> well now i have vcpkg, seems to be working well so far. it only took 30 mins to build boost! :p
20:50 < SupSuper> the real problem seems to be nobody can make up their minds if it's better to do #include "SDL.h" or #include "SDL2/SDL.h"
20:51 <@JonnyH> I kinda prefer "SDL.h" and adding the SDL2/ directory to include path...
20:51 < SupSuper> clearly you should just make sdl2 a submodule as well :p
20:52 <@JonnyH> I was tempted
20:53 <@JonnyH> Saves you messing with "Oh, that dependency was build using msvc (slightly different), so it won't work"
20:53 < SupSuper> yeah, though they're not on git, so i guess you'd have to have another mirror of a mirror
20:54 <@JonnyH> and running on the /assumption/ that most devs do incremental builds
20:54 <@JonnyH> but msbuild is so terribad at managing that soo many people just default to "clean all" or "rebuilt all"...
20:55 <@JonnyH> the git submodules stuff is just "more obvious" to me rather than copied in source
20:55 <@JonnyH> you could check it in to the base git repo and it'll be functionally the same
20:55 <@JonnyH> it's not like the submodule link follows upstream updates either
20:56 < SupSuper> but it complicates every git command, what more could you want :p
20:57 <@JonnyH> I feel that "having used git daily for years!" makes me less than useful to judge stuff like that
20:57 <@JonnyH> as my baseline is clearly skewed :/
20:58 < SupSuper> well the fact that stackoverflow has 10 different possible commands for "updating submodules" says a lot
20:59 < SupSuper> "tried sync? wait no, update! maybe you need to foreach! don't forget to recursive! or how about this new flag in git 9.999"
21:00 <@JonnyH> some people I've seen ship a "update all my submodules" script...
21:00 <@JonnyH> maybe that makes more sense :P
21:53 < SupSuper> i might have to get an irc bridge for openxcom as well :p
21:54 <@JonnyH> TBH it sounds pretty nice if nobody can communicate to you
21:54 <@JonnyH> then you don't get anyone asking you to do anything :P
21:55 < SupSuper> well i don't wanna encourage splitting in two platforms, but the random stragglers looking for help always show up on irc...
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12:31  * FilmBoy849294[m] sent a long message: FilmBoy849294[m]_2018-03-20_12:29:41.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/FGfMEbKOgzveDeGLCcYbvXlQ>
12:31 < FilmBoy849294[m]> The Battlescape is also problematic with ranges, I'm awaiting data on how many metres per tile exist there.
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13:37 < YatakaShimaoka78> Evening you all beautiful people
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12:10 < SolariusScorch98> Evening
12:11 < SolariusScorch98> (Except it's not the same evening)
13:07 < YatakaShimaoka78> Evening too
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21:51 < jtrhamilton3092[> FilmBoy84 OpenApoc already should do things in 'subtile' units - things should be correctly scaled by the 32x32x16 within each tile
21:51 < jtrhamilton3092[> making the tile just a pathing centre and lookup optimisation
21:51 < jtrhamilton3092[> ...not saying it's not buggy though, but that it *should* take that into account (at least the code is there to do so)
21:52 < jtrhamilton3092[> If the scale is wrong, it should be pretty easy to change
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23:09 < Cerazor6378[m]> Oooh spooky bridge
23:17 < SupSuper> good job JonnyH, you broke visual studio :p
23:20 < SupSuper> Error	C1128	number of sections exceeded object file format limit: compile with /bigobj	build\x86-Release\game\state\gamestate_serialize_generated.cpp
23:43 < SupSuper> getting cmake working on windows is an adventure in itself
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00:01 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: there's some magic "big object format" you need to enable somewhere...
00:01 <@JonnyH> Thought it was the default now...
00:01 <@JonnyH> is this 2017?
00:01 < SupSuper> yeah i'm just going the cmake route, so need to readd all the flags :p
00:01 <@JonnyH> if not make the change and update the vsproj files in git...
00:02 <@JonnyH> its something like a 16-bit index in objecft files - which in autogenerated c++ source can easily be blown past
00:02 < SupSuper> no idea what my end goal here is, i guess i'm learning cmake?
00:02 <@JonnyH> I guess? :P
00:03 <@JonnyH> Not sure what the end goal on most of what I do is...
00:07 < SupSuper> at least i can build everything in one step, as opposed to the usual visual studio oddities
00:07 < SupSuper> of having a solution with 999 projects
00:08 <@JonnyH> It's mirroring the cmake build...
00:08 <@JonnyH> but if "multiple separate projects" isn't the normal msvc way then whatever :P
00:08 < SupSuper> it is, but you rely on custom build steps a lot :P
00:09 < SupSuper> which msvc doesn't refresh as well as cmake
00:11 <@JonnyH> yeah, it didn't seem to like me putting down many output files as the resut of a single build step...
00:11 <@JonnyH> Again, might have been me not really understanding msbuild P
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00:11 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> isn't cmake designed to support multi platform builds?
00:12 <@JonnyH> yeah, for the most part, but any non-trivial build will likely end up with platform-specific parts anyway
00:12 < SupSuper> yes, but JonnyH did it with lots of platform-specific flags :p
00:12 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> heh
00:12 < SupSuper> not too bad, just the natural consequences of maintaining two separate build systems
00:13 <@JonnyH> I thought /most/ of the data stuff should work - as I tried to use the 'proper' cmake commands instead of just calling bash...
00:14 < SupSuper> at least the tests are visible now: https://i.imgur.com/2WgfiGN.png
00:14 <@JonnyH> the way dependencies work on windows is a pita though - cmake encourages pkgconfig use and lets it fall down on win32
00:15 < SupSuper> only annoyance is cmake errors are even harder to debug than msvc errors :p
00:16 <@JonnyH> printf debugging seems the only way :P
00:16 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> sounds a lot like make especially using submake file
00:17 < SupSuper> specially since msvc error log doesn't seem to understand cmake projects, so it just says the error came from "cmakelists.txt"... have to dig down into output to find the source
00:17 <@JonnyH> make is cool - it's almost too powerful though, as you can quite easily end up making it more complex than necessary :P
00:18 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> good ole printf debugging - the universal debugging tool across all languages
00:18 < SupSuper> on the bright side, it seems building is a lot faster, maybe cmake can be a lot smarter about all the interdependencies. and i'm no longer building boost from source :P
00:18 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> too true.  I've seen some uber complicated makefiles in my lifetime
00:18 <@JonnyH> yeah, cmake actually has proper parallel dependencies
00:19 <@JonnyH> and 'building boost from source' is pretty simple, only a handful of files IIRC
00:19 <@JonnyH> the /real/ code is doubling the compile time of anything that *dared* to #include <boost/whatever> :P
00:19 < SupSuper> only weirdness is msvc dumps the cmake generated files off in my user folder somewhere... wonder if you can configure that
00:20 < SupSuper> well i got everything building except tools/serialization_tool: gamestate_serialize.h(119): error C2678: binary '==': no operator found which takes a left-hand operand of type 'Concurrency::details::_Task_impl<_ReturnType>' (or there is no acceptable conversion)
00:20 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> btw, why did you pick XML as a save file format for Apoc?
00:21 <@JonnyH> 'caus xml works?
00:21 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> heh, okay, hoping for more technical reason, since json, yaml, binary all work too
00:21 <@JonnyH> yeah, there are small refinements in similar 'kinda human readable' markups n stuff like toml and yaml
00:22 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> more familiar with it too maybe, so first choice?
00:22 <@JonnyH> json is like c++, there's all weird subsets of it you'll actually have to use
00:22 <@JonnyH> otherwise you could end up with weirdness like "all numbers are coerced to doubles" and silly tings like that...
00:23 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> so, you want more "type" safety?
00:23 <@JonnyH> probably 80% of the reason I use xml is that pmprog (the original openapoc founder) had already used some xml in the forms stuff he imported
00:23 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> ah
00:23 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> makes sense
00:23 < SupSuper> i think most people just pick whatever format they're familiar with, they all work
00:23 <@JonnyH> so we already had an xml library kinda lying around
00:23 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> work with what you started with, refactor later if necessary
00:23 < SupSuper> for data it doesn't matter, but for saves we might wanna use something binary later
00:24 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> focus on the bigger problems
00:24 < SupSuper> i get no end of stern looks over openxcom's *gasp* 100kb savefiles
00:24 <@JonnyH> TBH doing another markup Serialization format would be pretty simple - there's just "nodes" with a string name and value
00:24 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> well, I'm playing around with RapidJSON.  hope to get some benchmarks once I get the reader written.  Been distracted by XCOM files of late 😃
00:24 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> yes, I noticed how slim OXC's yaml save files are
00:25 <@JonnyH> I played around with rapidJSON - my benchmark results:
00:25 <@JonnyH> Within the noise when zlib compressed in size
00:25 <@JonnyH> Within the noise in performance (as we spend more time poking through the data structs in memory and string-ifying stuff than actaully doing markup)
00:25 < SupSuper> only downside of markup formats is they are usually one of 1. slow and bulky 2. ugly to use
00:25 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> OXC "assumes" a lot of the data base  on field location
00:26 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> based
00:26 <@JonnyH> if we could move to something like flat buffers, or another 'in memory format' thing (so the 'serialization' is effectively a memcpy()) there would be advantaes
00:26 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> but harder to debug save files without proper tooling
00:26 <@JonnyH> but "a different markup" that still requires stringification and copying would likely be minor gains at best
00:27 <@JonnyH> that's why I made the default save files a .zip of .xml files - we can hopefully piggy back on other's tooling
00:27 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> so, should I even bother with rapidjson? look to more binary formats?
00:27 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> maybe a compromise, msgpack?
00:27 < SupSuper> i've heard good things about google protobuf but never tried it
00:27 <@JonnyH> Depends on what you're focusing on - if you want a more compact disk format - a general compression algo will likely be better
00:28 <@JonnyH> (e.g. moving to zstd or something would probably make the best difference)
00:28 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> what about load and save performance?
00:28 <@JonnyH> and, possibly more importantly, improving the "delta" saves - so you don't need to have a copy of the "static" state hanging around
00:28 <@JonnyH> For save/load performance, cleaning up the pointer chasing and object chasing in the GameState tree would probably be a bigger win
00:29 <@JonnyH> it's taking longer to collect all the data we need, decide what to do with it, and pull it from memory than writing the serialization format itself
00:29 <@JonnyH> I have a few half-baked ideas on that already - I managed to get some time last weekend to try to refresh myself on openapoc again
00:30 <@JonnyH> and hope to continue that this weekend too
00:30 < SupSuper> JonnyH: is it worth figuring out serialization_tool or ignore it?
00:30 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> good info.
00:30 <@JonnyH> Eh, it might be handy - it's a frontend to do the pack/unpack of the save games
00:30 < jgatkinsn4283[m]> i may just ditch my rapidjson efforts, since you're been down that road already
00:30 <@JonnyH> and (more importantly) do manual deltas
00:31 <@JonnyH> so if you actually want to play with this, probably the serilization_tool would be a handy thing to have around
00:31 <@JonnyH> and if we do, for example, move away from a format that a standard .zip reader can handle
00:31 <@JonnyH> it'll become necessary for users who want to poke around inside saves ;)
00:32 <@JonnyH> but it's /probably/ just a missing include or a dumb gcc-ism I've written into it
00:32 <@JonnyH> so don't let it derail the cmake train
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02:24 < SupSuper> JonnyH`Away: where does cmake dump its build files on linux? does it just pollute the source tree?
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16:44 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: cmake generates it's build files in the $(pwd) of where the cmake executable is run
16:44 <@JonnyH> in the cmake gui tools it lets you select the folder
16:44 <@JonnyH> I find it relatively handly to have different subdirs configured for different stuff (like one for debug, one for release, one for sanitizers etc.)
16:45 <@JonnyH> so each can be rebuild without reconfiguring, and can still do incremental builds etc.
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18:32 <@JonnyH> 16:44 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: cmake generates it's build files in the $(pwd) of where the cmake executable is run
18:32 <@JonnyH> 16:44 <@JonnyH> in the cmake gui tools it lets you select the folder
18:32 <@JonnyH> 16:44 <@JonnyH> I find it relatively handly to have different subdirs configured for different stuff (like one for debug, one for
18:32 <@JonnyH>                 release, one for sanitizers etc.)
18:32 <@JonnyH> 16:45 <@JonnyH> so each can be rebuild without reconfiguring, and can still do incremental builds etc.
18:32 <@JonnyH> ^^ didn't realise you'd left last time :P
19:28 < SupSuper> well if you can just build cmake anywhere, how do you point it back at your bin
19:29 <@JonnyH> "my bin"?
19:29 <@JonnyH> all the binary outputs are put in the subdirectory of the cmake $(pwd)
19:30 < SupSuper> yeah but all the data is in /bin/
19:30 <@JonnyH> so it doesn't write anything to the original source directory at all
19:30 < SupSuper> is what i mean
19:30 < SupSuper> or /data/ or whatever
19:30 <@JonnyH> (though openapoc breaks that with the dataextractor, but that's a hack)
19:31 <@JonnyH> for the stuff run as part of the build it's passed source paths relative to the CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR, not the CMAKE_BINARY_DIR, so it'll read that from the original source directory not the local dir
19:31 < SupSuper> ok, so cmake just dumping wherever is normal and it'll just find its stuff somehow
19:32 <@JonnyH> and I think then there's a cmake rule that copies $(CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR)/data to $(CMAKE_BINARY_DIR)/bin/data
19:32 < SupSuper> as for the serialization_test error, apparently you ran into it before, it's to do with "using namespace OpenApoc" :p
19:32 <@JonnyH> yeah, all the paths cmake uses should be correctly relative to either the binary output directory or source directory depending on what's needed
19:32 <@JonnyH> oh, probably, I bet theres stuff that conflicts names...
19:32 <@JonnyH> 'using namespace' is awful, no good, nasty code
19:33 <@JonnyH> but it's sooo /easy/... :P
19:33 < SupSuper> i mean who wants to write OpenApoc everywhere :P
19:33 < SupSuper> most c++ projects don't even use namespaces...
19:34 <@JonnyH> most of openapoc should be under the openapoc namespace itself....
19:34 <@JonnyH> the frontends/tools can just pull in the (hopefully few) types they need?
19:37 <@JonnyH> if you don't use namespaces, people just tend to effectively have defacto namespaces to avoid conflicts
19:37 <@JonnyH> like idType and idString and stuff
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20:03 < SupSuper> anyways looks like cmake works fine on windows now, besides stuff like this :p https://i.imgur.com/m2AE4c6.png
20:03 < SupSuper> guessing you do some clever stuff with cmake targets
20:05 <@JonnyH> oh yeah... it generates a target for every source files :P
20:05 <@JonnyH> I can see that being annoying if there's no way of hiding them - you'll likely only ever want the 'format-source' master target....
20:06 <@JonnyH> again, the clang-format stuff /probably/ shouldn't be in the build, as I kinda want to make it so that the build doesn't modify the source in any way
20:06 <@JonnyH> (including data extraction - e.g. it copies the data/ directory then extracts stuff into the copied directory, rather than extracting into the source's data dir then copying after)
20:07 <@JonnyH> TBH you could probably wipe most of the format-* targets completely
20:08 <@JonnyH> as the lint.sh script does most of the same thing...
20:08 < SupSuper> well they're not run by default, just clutter up that menu
20:08 <@JonnyH> yeah, it was a dev helper, not an "integral part of the build"
20:09 < SupSuper> the bat is much simpler ;)
20:09 <@JonnyH> but it won't magically update the new source files just by adding them to the build...
20:09 <@JonnyH> instead just finding everythijng that matches "*.cpp" or something?
20:17 < SupSuper> just a different kind of magic
20:17 < SupSuper> the brute force kind
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20:47 < SupSuper> well it doesn't look like there's any cmake rule copying data around, it just crashes :p
21:03 <@JonnyH> ...huh...
21:03 < SupSuper> apparently there's an install step that does that, but it just copies to share/OpenApoc soooooooo
21:04 <@JonnyH> yeah, the default search path shouild be added as a #define in the framework...
21:04 <@JonnyH> That might have been something I (needlessly) did #if POSIX on...
21:05 <@JonnyH> but the cmake rules that run stuff during build should override the path with arguments
21:05 <@JonnyH> --Framework.Data=${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}/data
21:05 <@JonnyH> and similar
21:06 < SupSuper> yeah those seem fine
21:06 < SupSuper> i guess running the executable isn't part of cmake
21:07 <@JonnyH> if you want to "fix" that, feel free...
21:08 <@JonnyH> TBH as I said a "better" cmake would probably copy the data to bin/, get the data extraction tools to output to that folder, and not touch the source version at all
21:08 <@JonnyH> as currently if you (for example) have 2 concurrent builds they could clobber each other's state if they're extracting at the same time
21:09 < SupSuper> well i'm just trying to figure out what is the "expected behavior" :p
21:10 <@JonnyH> expected behaviour? It expectes you to either run from $(PWD) of the root of the git source, or install it int the system
21:10 <@JonnyH> there's obvious things you can improve that with, of course :P
21:11 < SupSuper> yeah but make the base case work first, make it better later :P
21:12 < SupSuper> does cmake run the data extraction or is that on you as well?
21:12 <@JonnyH> cmake
21:15 <@JonnyH> ... I think...
21:16 <@JonnyH> but it looks at least like the EXTRACT_DATA option is no longer hooked up to anything useful...
21:19 <@JonnyH> Oh, I see, tools/extractors/CMakeLists.txt
21:19 <@JonnyH> add_custom_target(extract-data ALL ...)
21:19 <@JonnyH> the ALL means 'add this target to the default build'
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22:43 < SupSuper> JonnyH: btw any idea why the tests fail with "too many positional options have been specified on the command line"?
22:46 <@JonnyH> errm... probably too many args?
22:47 < SupSuper> well i didn't change anything. maybe vs adds its own args
22:47 <@JonnyH> I think boost::program_options tried to do "-v=value" or "--var=value", then any it doesn't recognise it punts down to positional opts...
22:47 <@JonnyH> Maybe it's not escaped properly?
22:48 <@JonnyH> like --path=c:\program files\ instead of --path=
22:48 <@JonnyH> "c:\program files\"
22:48 < SupSuper> true, could be your old allergy to quotes :p
22:48 <@JonnyH> the problem is cmake has some magic quoting rules that most of the time do the right thing...
22:48 <@JonnyH> which just leads you into a false sense of security :P
22:49 <@JonnyH> I'm 99% sure I tried it on linux with spaces/weird filenames
22:49 <@JonnyH> but maybe the rules can be slightly different in places?
22:52 < SupSuper> it's not like you use command line args a lot
22:53 <@JonnyH> ...I'm not sure if that's sarcastic or not
22:54 <@JonnyH> if not then I'm clearly not using enough...
22:54 < SupSuper> i mean in cmake :p i assume only the tests are called straight from cmake
22:59 <@JonnyH> the gamestate serializer generation, and the data extraction too?
22:59 <@JonnyH> and the tests should be called from ctest
23:00 <@JonnyH> not sure how msvc integrates, but "normal" cmake just spits out a file listing the tests and how to run them, not actually running the tests themselves
23:00 < SupSuper> well at least touching a cmake file doesn't require rebuilding everything. probably because it's no longer generating project files everytime
23:00 <@JonnyH> while the ctest program /is/ shippped with cmake though, so you could argue it is 'cmake'...
23:01 <@JonnyH> cmake should track which cmake variables can affect each target
23:01 < SupSuper> that and msvc's cmake integration doesn't actually use the "msvc" target but it uses "ninja" instead
23:02 <@JonnyH> oh, yeah, I tend to use ninja these days too
23:02 <@JonnyH> it's a simpler 'make', so it can be quite a bit faster as  most of the stuff they cut out is cruft anyway
23:02 < SupSuper> it's pretty speedy, it just makes the command line look like ass :p
23:02 <@JonnyH> cmake ../OpenApoc -GNinja -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=RelWithDebInfo && ninja
23:03 <@JonnyH> on linux it default tries to overwrite the same line (unless there are warnings etc.)
23:03 < SupSuper> since instead of a regular msbuild that just lists files and errors, it's actually calling cl.exe on every individual file like you would see on a linux
23:04 <@JonnyH> but make always had issues with interleaving the output with parallel make, so maybe that was the least worst....
23:04 <@JonnyH> really? That's the opposite of it on linux
23:04 <@JonnyH> you need to run "ninja -v" to see that cruft...
23:04 <@JonnyH> normally you get lines like [12/198] Building CXX object forms/CMakeFiles/OpenApoc_Forms.dir/transactioncontrol.cpp.o
23:05 < SupSuper> yeah i don't know how msvc calls it but it looks like this:
23:05 < SupSuper> [22/300] C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\2017\COMMUN~1\VC\Tools\MSVC\1413~1.261\bin\HostX86\x86\cl.exe  /nologo /TP -DERROR_DIALOG -DGLESWRAP_PLATFORM_WGL -DMINIZ_NO_TIME -DRENDERERS=\"GLES_3_0:GL_2_0\" -DUSE_BOOST_FILESYSTEM -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -I"D:\SupFiles\Coding Projects\vcpkg\installed\x86-windows\include" -I"D:\SupFiles\Coding Projects\vcpkg\installed\x86-windows\include\SDL2" -I"D:\SupFiles\Coding Projects\OpenApoc\Git\dependencies\physfs\src
23:05 < SupSuper> " -I"D:\SupFiles\Coding Projects\OpenApoc\Git" -I"D:\SupFiles\Coding Projects\OpenApoc\Git\dependencies\glm" /DWIN32 /D_WINDOWS /W3 /GR /EHsc /MD /Zi /O2 /Ob1 /DNDEBUG /showIncludes /Foframework\CMakeFiles\OpenApoc_Framework.dir\serialization\providers\providerwithchecksum.cpp.obj /Fdframework\CMakeFiles\OpenApoc_Framework.dir\OpenApoc_Framework.pdb /FS -c "D:\SupFiles\Coding Projects\OpenApoc\Git\framework\serialization\providers\providerwith
23:05 < SupSuper> checksum.cpp"
23:06 <@JonnyH> ninja -v:
23:06 <@JonnyH> ninja -v
23:06 <@JonnyH> [1/187] /Volumes/Shared/homebrew/bin/ccache /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/c++  -DBROKEN_THREAD_LOCAL -DERROR_DIALOG -DGLESWRAP_PLATFORM_MACHO -DMINIZ_NO_TIME -DPTHREADS_AVAILABLE -DRENDERERS=\"GLES_3_0:GL_2_0\" -DUSE_BOOST_FILESYSTEM -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -I/Volumes/Shared/homebrew/include -I/Volumes/Shared/homebrew/include/SDL2 
23:06 <@JonnyH> -I/Users/jonny/Code/projects/OpenApoc/dependencies/physfs/src -I/Users/jonny/Code/projects/OpenApoc -I/Users/jonny/Code/projects/OpenApoc/dependencies/glm -Wall -Wextra -Qunused-arguments -fvisibility=hidden -flto -Qunused-arguments   -std=gnu++11 -MD -MT framework/CMakeFiles/OpenApoc_Framework.dir/render/gles30_v2/ogles_3_0_renderer_v2.cpp.o -MF 
23:06 <@JonnyH> framework/CMakeFiles/OpenApoc_Framework.dir/render/gles30_v2/ogles_3_0_renderer_v2.cpp.o.d -o framework/CMakeFiles/OpenApoc_Framework.dir/render/gles30_v2/ogles_3_0_renderer_v2.cpp.o -c /Users/jonny/Code/projects/OpenApoc/framework/render/gles30_v2/ogles_3_0_renderer_v2.cpp
23:06 <@JonnyH> FAILED: framework/CMakeFiles/OpenApoc_Framework.dir/render/gles30_v2/ogles_3_0_renderer_v2.cpp.o
23:06 <@JonnyH> /Volumes/Shared/homebrew/bin/ccache /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/c++  -DBROKEN_THREAD_LOCAL -DERROR_DIALOG -DGLESWRAP_PLATFORM_MACHO -DMINIZ_NO_TIME -DPTHREADS_AVAILABLE -DRENDERERS=\"GLES_3_0:GL_2_0\" -DUSE_BOOST_FILESYSTEM -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -I/Volumes/Shared/homebrew/include -I/Volumes/Shared/homebrew/include/SDL2 
23:06 <@JonnyH> -I/Users/jonny/Code/projects/OpenApoc/dependencies/physfs/src -I/Users/jonny/Code/projects/OpenApoc -I/Users/jonny/Code/projects/OpenApoc/dependencies/glm -Wall -Wextra -Qunused-arguments -fvisibility=hidden -flto -Qunused-arguments   -std=gnu++11 -MD -MT framework/CMakeFiles/OpenApoc_Framework.dir/render/gles30_v2/ogles_3_0_renderer_v2.cpp.o -MF 
23:06 <@JonnyH> framework/CMakeFiles/OpenApoc_Framework.dir/render/gles30_v2/ogles_3_0_renderer_v2.cpp.o.d -o framework/CMakeFiles/OpenApoc_Framework.dir/render/gles30_v2/ogles_3_0_renderer_v2.cpp.o -c /Users/jonny/Code/projects/OpenApoc/framework/render/gles30_v2/ogles_3_0_renderer_v2.cpp
23:06 <@JonnyH> errm.. ignore the "FAILED" repeat :P
23:06 <@JonnyH> but without the '-v' that's all hidden
23:06 <@JonnyH> maybe msvc defaults that for some reason?
23:06 < SupSuper> what have you done
23:06 < SupSuper> so yeah, never has msvc looked so linuxy :p
23:07 < SupSuper> well it's probably convenient for debug
23:07 < SupSuper> anyways it was the quotes :p
23:08 <@JonnyH> it's always quotes :P
23:08 <@JonnyH> which ones?
23:08 < Cerazor6378[m]> Oh dear god.
23:08 < SupSuper> i imagine it's because while cmake can guess the command executable is quoted, it can't guess how this is supposed to be quoted: --Framework.CD=${CD_PATH} --Framework.Data=${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}/data
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23:13 < SupSuper> the internet just recommends quoting any paths going into COMMAND so i did that
23:16 <@JonnyH> It's probably something dumb where in linux the CD_PATH /variable/ includes quotes :P
23:16 < SupSuper> https://i.imgur.com/hvPlXvP.png so close
23:16 <@JonnyH> then there's the docs for cmake - add_custom_target VERBATIM:
23:16 <@JonnyH> If VERBATIM is given then all arguments to the commands will be escaped properly for the build tool so that the invoked command receives each argument unchanged
23:17 <@JonnyH> IF you add a magic flag, the variables will be escaped "properly".
23:17 <@JonnyH> No explanation of what "properly" is, or what the default is doing "improperly"
23:19 < SupSuper> none of their docs have quotes either
23:20 < SupSuper> *it is a mystery*
23:20 < SupSuper> your unicode test is displeased: Message: E 3585167 bool __thiscall example_unicode::test(void) const: String "£" has unexpected length 2 , expected 1
23:21 <@JonnyH> oh balls you probably need some /other/ magic cmdline arg to cl.exe to say "treat input source as utf8"
23:21 < SupSuper> utf8, in my windows???
23:21 <@JonnyH> BTW I just tested here with a space in the path and all the cmake stuff was magically correctly escaped
23:22 <@JonnyH> Yup. You know, like the c++ standard says.
23:22 <@JonnyH> Why have standards when you couild have T
23:22 <@JonnyH> ...TCHARS instead!
23:22 < SupSuper> ah yes, the standard: https://twitter.com/fasterthanlime/status/931452702458081280/photo/1
23:23 <@JonnyH> that's using the 'u8""' string form
23:23 <@JonnyH> which I'm /pretty/ sure the standard says should be utf8
23:25 < SupSuper> but is the source file saved in utf8
23:25 <@JonnyH> yup
23:26 <@JonnyH> but I know of no parsers in the world that can /change/ the encoding half way through
23:27 <@JonnyH> (I say it uses u8"", but not all them do in that file... but they probably should :)
23:27 <@JonnyH> but the single-character stuff, that that looks to be failing on, /is/ correctly u8'ified
23:27 <@JonnyH> so my test is probably "buggy"... just not that bit
23:28 < SupSuper> yeah i'm debugging to see
23:28 < SupSuper> it doesn't help that it's impossible to tell which bit is showing the string "wrong": https://i.imgur.com/L9R0MMn.png
23:30 <@JonnyH> you mean is it the storage, or the msvc debugger assuming it's some weird extended ascii?
23:30 < SupSuper> right
23:31 <@JonnyH> maybe print the u8string's actual std::String contents
23:31 <@JonnyH> the pound symbol should be 2 bytes long
23:32 < SupSuper> also "(ex.test() != true)" really? :p
23:35 <@JonnyH> ms seem to have scrubbed the internet of all documentation for msvc2017...
23:35 <@JonnyH> There's a big table of cmdline args for 2015 and earlier...
23:36 <@JonnyH> but 2017 links to some magical shiny bright colored site with lots of pretty images
23:36 <@JonnyH> and no documentation on the cmdline args...
23:36 < SupSuper> vs2017 docs are at http://docs.microsoft.com now, sadly the old results get google priority :p
23:37 <@JonnyH> that's where I am
23:37 <@JonnyH> still not found the compiler docs...
23:38 < SupSuper> https://docs.microsoft.com/pt-pt/cpp/build/reference/compiler-command-line-syntax ?
23:38 <@JonnyH> didn't realise I knew how to read portuguese...
23:38 <@JonnyH> but yeah, that was what I was failing to find :P
23:39 < SupSuper> usually the old docs will have a link like this: https://i.imgur.com/oExsty3.png
23:39 <@JonnyH> hmm, looks like /utf-8 still isn't the default...
23:39 < SupSuper> not that much changed :p
23:39 <@JonnyH> oh, might have missed that for the bigger purple box above it..
23:40 < SupSuper> i think visual studio only assumes utf-8 if it's part of the language spec (c#) or has a bom in it
23:40 <@JonnyH> no wait, there was a purple box linking to the front of the 2017 docs for me, not just a "download" one...
23:40 <@JonnyH> utf8 doesn't have a byte order to have a BOM for...
23:42 <@JonnyH> yeah, it looks like you need that....
23:42 < SupSuper> hasnt stopped one from existing though :p but it's not recommended
23:42 <@JonnyH> I'm not going through and adding a pointless few bytes that most sane editors ignore or strip...
23:42 <@JonnyH> there's a BOM codepoint, so you can encode it in utf8... it just doesn't make sense :P
23:43 <@JonnyH> as WTF do you do if you read it and it arrives backwards? WTF? UTF8 is a /byte/ stream
23:43 < SupSuper> anyways here's what your pound looks like on drugs: https://i.imgur.com/PNRu3Wq.png
23:43 < SupSuper> i assume that's UTF-16?
23:44 <@JonnyH> and really everyone should be using utf8 for anything that might go near any kind of storage or network...
23:44 <@JonnyH> probably your local extended ascii codepage...
23:46 <@JonnyH> Oh.. no.. I think the compiler has interpreted it as 2 extended ascii chars, then expanded each to ucs2 (or utf16), then reinterpreterd that as extended ascii again
23:46 <@JonnyH> hence there being 4 bytes now?
23:46 <@JonnyH> wow
23:46 < SupSuper> well adding a bom fixed it. but your test still fails somewhere :p
23:47 <@JonnyH> Might be the strings without the u8"" prefix
23:47 <@JonnyH> as it might try to convert it to an extended ascii char in the .obj data section
23:47 <@JonnyH> then we naturally interpret it as utf8 again...
23:48 <@JonnyH> I guess /utf-8 also sets the default "" strings to non convert if it's valid utf8 already? So I probably didn't notice?
23:52 < SupSuper> yeah that fixed it, before it was crashing with buffer overruns
23:53 <@JonnyH> https://github.com/JonnyH/OpenApoc/tree/WIP/test_unicode_utf8_fixups
23:53 <@JonnyH> that help?
23:53 <@JonnyH> or just DIY :P
23:53 < SupSuper> yeah i did it myself :P
23:53 < SupSuper> the empty one also has to be u8, don't know why
23:54 <@JonnyH> ...huh
23:55 < SupSuper> i also don't know why you're doing tests on an empty string :p
23:55 < SupSuper> this probably worked fine on your end since i think linux always defaults to utf8 if it's prefixless
23:56 <@JonnyH> Gotta test the corner cases :P
23:56 < SupSuper> or just assumes the file encoding while windows does *shenanigans*
23:56 <@JonnyH> on linux everything is a "null-terminated byte stream" unless you actually want to interpret the letters
23:57 <@JonnyH> so utf8 already matches that, so it can be passed around the pipeline with no modifications without anyone caring at all
23:57 <@JonnyH> as we know, for example, that no valid utf8 code byte could be " to mean end quote other than the end quote code itself, so doing byte comparisons is still valid
23:57 <@JonnyH> AKA utf8 is cool and you should be using it
23:59 <@JonnyH> Anyway, I'm off for the evening
23:59 <@JonnyH> Enjoy your friday evening with cmake :)
23:59 <@JonnyH> and fixing up my crap of course...
23:59 < SupSuper> :p
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08:12 < LucasOne> hello
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08:34 < YatakaShimaoka78> Hello
08:34 < YatakaShimaoka78> How ya doing?
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11:48  * FilmBoy849294[m] sent a long message: FilmBoy849294[m]_2018-03-28_11:46:38.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/nEpmdPsPgnBGCWETVnoHXamk>
12:02 < FilmBoy849294[m]> BBF2FC8 seems to change it in another instance...
12:02 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Hmmmm, it's obviously not a static address...
13:04 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Have also added some more issues to GitHub too
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21:12 < SupSuper> JonnyH: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2018/03/13/clangformat-support-in-visual-studio-2017-15-7-preview-1/
21:12 < SupSuper> the era of bat files is coming to a close :p
21:30 <@JonnyH> about time...
21:31 < Ankor7051[m]> =]
21:32 <@JonnyH> Though I still don't like the general "Integrate /everything/ into one tool"...
21:32 <@JonnyH> as when the next thing comes along, or a new technique, it'll be ~5 years late to _that_ too...
21:34 < SupSuper> well that's the windows way :p
21:34 <@JonnyH> Yeah, it's a difference in design goals rather than "good" or "bad"...
21:35 < SupSuper> it's just nicer when we're in the ide
21:35 < SupSuper> in 5 years we'll all probably be on vscode or something anyways :p
21:36 <@JonnyH> vscode is a shell around a load of plugins
21:36 <@JonnyH> Call the shell an "OS", and the plugins "Processes" and you've got a half-assed unix :P
21:37 < SupSuper> just what you've always wanted! :P
21:39 < SupSuper> oh and next version will finally have expression sfinae
21:39 <@JonnyH> just in time for most users to be replaced with constexpr if
21:40 < SupSuper> it only took... 3 years?
21:40 <@JonnyH> still no 2 phase name lookup?
21:41 <@JonnyH> naa, the msvc guys seem *way* more reactive than they used to be
21:43 <@JonnyH> It's a bit amusing that they seem to be validating a lot of my complaints by actually trying to fix them :P
21:43 <@JonnyH> Much though I love feeling superior by picking holes, actually solving the holes is a good solution too
21:44 < SupSuper> :p
21:44 < SupSuper> i think they have 2 phase name lookup but you have to specifically enable it
21:44 <@JonnyH> they have a limited not-quite-standard version IIRC
21:45 <@JonnyH> but you're right that a lot of windows-only programs effectively rely on the current behaviour - such is the problem with incompletely implemented standards
21:45 < SupSuper> yeah it's hard to dig around their progress on standard features, since it's not something that makes for shiny blog posts
21:46 <@JonnyH> (gcc and stuff has the same issues here too, just I might have 'effectively relied' on those gcc-specific behaviours without noticing as it was my primary dev platform though)
21:56 < SupSuper> anyways, cmake... works? i dunno if i told you my horrible tales with it :p
21:56 <@JonnyH> You've whined about a number of things cmake-related recently :P
21:58 < SupSuper> well remember the magically magical flag EXPLICIT? basically you just use that and it fixes everything and you never think about it again
21:58 < SupSuper> why that isn't the default i don't know :p
21:59 <@JonnyH> Oh, like the VERBATIM flag?
21:59 < SupSuper> right, that's the flag i meant
21:59 <@JonnyH> Yeah, we've both whined about that :P
21:59 <@JonnyH> like ACTUALLY_DO_WHAT_I_WANTED as a non-default option is crazy...
22:00 < SupSuper> because cmake does its own weird scripts when running custom_commands, so even regular quotes may not do the job...
22:00 < SupSuper> sadly add_tests doesn't have that flag, so you just have to manually quote everything... and not just regular quotes, but *escaped* quotes, because... quotes aren't good enough? yeah, cmake is weird
22:00 <@JonnyH> yup, if you don't know what system/script language (bash, cmd, make, ninja) it'll be run with, and each might have different escaping/quoting rules...
22:14 < SupSuper> so far the only thing that throws me off is why sdl2 doesn't get detected on windows
22:15 <@JonnyH> huh, I thought sdl was one of the Find* modules shipped with cmake..
22:16 < SupSuper> yes and no
22:16 < SupSuper> sdl1.2 has a Find* module, sdl2 doesn't
22:16 <@JonnyH> :(
22:16 < SupSuper> *however*, sdl2 has a config so it can be found via the new config-mode FindPackage
22:16 <@JonnyH> Yeah, I just looked and was thinking "there must be _some_ reason I use pkgconfig anyway...:
22:17 < SupSuper> so find_package works fine in linux... just not in windows. it's probably a vcpkg thing, but i'm not familiar with config-mode find_package
22:17 <@JonnyH> what's "config mode"?
22:18 < SupSuper> https://cmake.org/cmake/help/v3.0/command/find_package.html
22:19 < SupSuper> as far as i can tell, config mode is cmake's solution to not have to make a Find* module for everything :p
22:19 < SupSuper> wherein packages can just provide a cmake config in the appropriate search path and cmake can use that to find and configure them
22:19 <@JonnyH> oh... so it's a NIH pkgconfig then....
22:20 < SupSuper> well pkgconfig is not cross-platform :p
22:21 <@JonnyH> you could *make* it cross platforms... it's just a file format standard that describes pretty much all the info required for the cmake config....
22:24 < SupSuper> i've given up fighting it... everyone has their own package manager anyways
22:28 <@JonnyH> Yeah, some things *are* platform specific
22:30 <@JonnyH> and abstracting stuff either loses important features or ends up being less platform-independant than you may have first thought...
22:30 <@JonnyH> Like different quoting methods or something dumb :P
22:31 < SupSuper> at least vcpkg seamlessly integrates with cmake
22:34 <@JonnyH> 'seamlessly'
22:34 < SupSuper> i mean, i don't have to modify the cmakefiles to work with vcpkg
22:34 < SupSuper> just to fix your unix-isms :p
22:35 <@JonnyH> so you don't need to replace any pkg_check_modules()?
22:36 < SupSuper> like i said, that's a unix-ism
22:37 <@JonnyH> so you're replacing it with something that's 100% cross platform and cmake-supported on every platform?
22:37 <@JonnyH> as the find_package() stuff seemed rather spotty with coverage...
22:38 < SupSuper> well like i said, the only stuff that relied on pkgconfig for windows was sdl2
22:38 < SupSuper> all the other stuff uses find_package, find_library, etc which works fine
22:38 <@JonnyH> find_library isn't /really/ portable - if the soname changes or has dependencies of it's own...
22:39 < SupSuper> although apparently you can install pkgconfig on windows... that must be interesting :p
22:39 <@JonnyH> all a .pc file is a string for "libraries" "include directories" and stuff
22:41 <@JonnyH> hence me saying that it could have just been ported to windows - you just need to fill those strings with the (platform-dependant) info needed and have a crappy little windows exe that reads them...
22:41 <@JonnyH> Or even just grep or directly in cmake - it's just a text file...
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22:46 < SupSuper> put a package manager in your packae manager...
22:47 <@JonnyH> pkgconfig isn't a package manager, just a standard of how to describe a package...
22:47 <@JonnyH> like the cmake config stuff :P
22:48 < SupSuper> what's weird is it seems find_package(SDL2) *does* work on windows... it just doesn't tell me how to proceed afterwards
22:49 < SupSuper> have i mentioned i hate cmake docs? :p
22:49 <@JonnyH> it should fill the variables SDL_LIBRARY/SDL_INCLUDE_DIR/whatever
22:50 <@JonnyH> *most* of the Find*.cmake scripts kinda stick to the same standard, but not all
22:50 <@JonnyH> some do LIBRARY, some LIBRARIES, others LIBS
22:50 <@JonnyH> for example...
22:51 <@JonnyH> it seems the only way of figuring that out is by reading the cmake module itself...
22:51 < SupSuper> wish there was a way to just echo out all the vars...
22:52 <@JonnyH> probably is... but no easy way :P
22:52 <@JonnyH> the answer to "Can I do {X}" in cmake is probaby "Yes... but it'll drive you mad"
22:54 < SupSuper> oh. *oh*
22:55 < SupSuper> apparently if you use config-mode find package, the process is entirely different... and no tutorial online tells you that :p
22:55 <@JonnyH> of course
22:55 <@JonnyH> *cmake*
22:55 < SupSuper> granted the only example online is this: https://trenki2.github.io/blog/2017/06/02/using-sdl2-with-cmake/
22:56 < SupSuper> which *supposedly* works on linux. i haven't tried
22:56 < SupSuper> for safety's sake i'm gonna leave the pkgconfig-way enabled on linux, and you can try and see if find_package works there too :p
22:57 <@JonnyH> you can just enable it and see if travis whines...
22:57 <@JonnyH> Though half the problems I had with that are ubuntu packages are sometimes... special
23:10 < SupSuper> so apparently this is all you need to do:
23:10 < SupSuper> find_package(SDL2 CONFIG REQUIRED)
23:10 < SupSuper> target_link_libraries(... SDL2::SDL2 SDL2::SDL2main)
23:11 < SupSuper> that's it. two lines not documented anywhere
23:12 <@JonnyH> *the more you know*
23:13 <@JonnyH> BTW SDL2Main is a platform-specific thing
23:14 <@JonnyH> it might be provided as a compability stub in sane platforms though
23:14 < SupSuper> yeah it might just resolve to nothing in sane platforms
23:17 < SupSuper> ...and after all that it still doesn't work right
23:18 <@JonnyH> you haven't suffered enough - the CMAKE GODS DEMAND SACRIFICE
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00:14 < SupSuper> neither solution works 100% so i'm just gonna go with whatever since this is only for windows anyways :p
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01:17 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SupSuper pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vxrck
01:17 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master db2f66e SupSuper: Fix tests on Windows
01:17 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 0392461 SupSuper: Fix CMake on Windows
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01:22 < SupSuper> impressive, i broke it
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02:01 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 946c49e SupSuper: Fix icon on CMake
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02:16 < SupSuper> JonnyH: out of curiosity, is there anyway to get to the pixels of an Image?
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03:59 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SupSuper pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vxrBw
03:59 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 38b1231 SupSuper: Fix tests on Linux...
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16:52 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: RGBimageLock
16:53 <@JonnyH> then lock.get({x, y});
16:54 <@JonnyH> or .getData(); if you're find getting a pointer to possibly strided data :) - but that's more a performance backdoor for copying the whole thing to the gpu, bypassing the abstractions a bit...
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21:49 < SupSuper> JonnyH: well i think cmake's add_tests is just broken on windows and we're just gonna have to live with it until they fix it :p
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00:16 <@JonnyH> :(
00:35 < SupSuper> if i quote it on windows, it ends up double-quoted on linux :p
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06:36 < Ankor7051[m]> Hey Jonny there message come about openapoc.org payment till 2018-05-04.
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16:31 <@JonnyH> Ankor7051[m]: It should auto-renew through my google domains account
16:31 <@JonnyH> If it was the domain you were talking about...
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03:16 < SupSuper> JonnyH: in my quest for cmake i have ended up reporting a lot of bugs to all entities involved :p
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03:33 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] SupSuper pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vxDoK
03:33 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 11594f0 SupSuper: Add window icon to Linux
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15:51 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Which entities? Like cmake upstream?
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20:57 < SupSuper> JonnyH: both cmake and visual studio
20:57 < SupSuper> either this will result in bugs fixed, or me being blacklisted, either way :p
21:13 <@JonnyH> So I guess my next question will be "Is OpenApoc doing some really weird out-there things?"
21:13 <@JonnyH> or is it more putting shade on the upstream testing efforts?
21:15 < Lightkey> oh it's out there all right :-D
21:15 < SupSuper> more like OpenApoc has been a great test case :p
21:15 < Lightkey> I want to believe
21:16 <@JonnyH> Has nobody ever used unit tests with cmdline args on windows before?
21:17 < SupSuper> since we know it works fine on CMake for Linux, so if something's wrong it's either something wrong with CMake on VS2017 or VS2017's support for CMake. you'd think they would be the same, but :p
21:17 < SupSuper> JonnyH: more like nobody uses cmake on windows :)
21:19 < SupSuper> cmake didn't even have detection for vs2017 compiler features yet...
21:20 <@JonnyH> Bah, so my plan to use c++17 won't fly...
21:20 <@JonnyH> as presumably setting CXX_VERSION_REQUIRED (or whateveR) will b0rk
21:20 <@JonnyH> I just want to use std::variant and optional TBH...
21:21 <@JonnyH> there /are/ compat implementations of them... but I kinda want to avoid them if possible...
21:23 < SupSuper> well you'd have to get everyone to upgrade to the latest vs2017, and by then cmake should be compliant :p
21:23 < SupSuper> curiously in the process i found some c++xx features that have bugs in visual studio, like constexpr. c++ is hard to implement
21:23 <@JonnyH> You mean there are people who aren't running the nightly compiler package? :O
21:24 <@JonnyH> c++ language bugs? In msvc? Surely not...
21:26 < SupSuper> anyways i've narrowed down the test argument bug to visual studio :p which is good, because the cmake source is scary
21:39 < SupSuper> did you know you need cmake to build cmake? it's a real lovecraftian horror
21:41 <@JonnyH> I thought there was some half-assed bootstrap script thingie...
21:41 < SupSuper> that's boost :p
21:41 <@JonnyH> that too
21:42 < SupSuper> cmake just spends half an hour just setting up cmake for cmake
21:42 <@JonnyH> I was talking about this monstrosity: https://github.com/Kitware/CMake/blob/master/bootstrap
21:42 <@JonnyH> so it can kinda build cmake to run the configuration of cmake
21:42 <@JonnyH> Turtles all the way down
21:43 < SupSuper> ah, well windows doesn't have /bin/sh so :p
21:43 <@JonnyH> probably for the best considering that...
21:44 <@JonnyH> ...Does that mean the first ever cmake build for windows must have been cross compiled? :P
21:48 < SupSuper> :P
21:50 < SupSuper> well the cmake process in itself is "compiling a bunch of test files to figure out compiler features so you can *then* compile cmake"
21:51 < SupSuper> it's flags all the way down: https://pastebin.com/raw/wnqXvfGT
21:56 <@JonnyH> TBH you could probably do most of that with #ifdef and __has_include and the __cpp_* features macros and stuff
21:57 <@JonnyH> as it doesn't seem to need to link against other libs...
21:58 < SupSuper> yeah but it needs to set up those #defines itself since there's no compiler standard for probing that stuff
21:59 < SupSuper> cmake can't rely on cmake :p
22:00 <@JonnyH> > no compiler standard
22:00 <@JonnyH> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/experimental/feature_test
22:01 < SupSuper> "if defined by the implementation" :p
22:02 <@JonnyH> But there is a standard. Just some people (who?) choose not to implement it.
22:02 <@JonnyH> (they work with gcc and clang, and *thought* msvc did them too now...)
22:03 <@JonnyH> that leaves, what, ICC and some weird embedded things (that probably don't have c++11 yet either)
22:03 < SupSuper> well i think cmake has to support stuff way before c++11
22:03 <@JonnyH> The biggest problem I have is libstdc++'s c++11 headers exist in pre-c++11 builds
22:03 <@JonnyH> but #including them causes an #error... scuppering the whole thing
22:07 < SupSuper> here's cmake's version: https://cmake.org/cmake/help/git-master/manual/cmake-compile-features.7.html
22:08 <@JonnyH> 99% of the time you just say "I need c++14" rather than selecting each individual feature though
22:09 <@JonnyH> for sanity. It's bad enough as it is.
22:09 < SupSuper> :p
22:09 < SupSuper> i would say "boost probably cares" but "boost has its own crazy bootstrap system anyways"
22:09 < SupSuper> which really doesn't like msvc's new incremental updates :p
22:10 <@JonnyH> there's a nuget package of the compilers now eright?
22:10 <@JonnyH> So they do a nightly build? (or at least 'pretty damn often' build :)
22:11 < SupSuper> maybe? i mean boost specifically checks the compiler version and logs a warning if it doesn't recognize it, which is pretty damn often now that microsoft is actually updating the compiler version on the regular
22:11 <@JonnyH> I think it only botheres to check the major gcc versions (4.1, 4.2, 5.x etc.)
22:12 <@JonnyH> Or maybe it's that gcc didn't expose that level of versioning to the preprocessor?
22:14 < SupSuper> yeah and vs2017 has gone through 19.10, 19.11, 19.12, 19.13, etc
22:14 < SupSuper> but i'll take any excuse to pick on boost :p
22:14 <@JonnyH> boost sucks! Boo to boost
22:15 < SupSuper> even if c++999 will basically just be boost
22:15 <@JonnyH> TBH if we didn't have windows I'll have killed it :P
22:15 <@JonnyH> as you would have getopt and stuff...
22:33 < SupSuper> well i guess all that's left now is to break appveyor :p
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22:42 < SupSuper> the one upside might be it won't have to spend half an hour building boost every time?
22:43 <@JonnyH> Instead that half an hour is spread over all the extra time required for each user to #include another crazy header of templates
22:54 < SupSuper> :p
22:54 < SupSuper> btw you're a git guru, what the hell does this mean: "I updated your branch to rebase back on release for 3.11.1 since this is a minor environmental regression.  Please fetch and reset your checkout."
22:55 <@JonnyH> I guess they've rebased the upstream branch? Which means he changed the history
22:56 <@JonnyH> so if you have a local copy of that same head, you probably need to change the history in the same way, otherwise trying to pull will cause a merge instead of a fast-forward
22:56 <@JonnyH> so if you want to do that, you "git fetch ${remote}"
22:56 <@JonnyH> checkout your local branch
22:57 <@JonnyH> then "git reset ${remote}/${branchname}" instead of "git pull"
22:57 <@JonnyH> and it'll throw away your local branch and instead pull in the remote branch - presumably with the changed history
22:57 <@JonnyH> There's a reason why people say you should never to that for 'public' branches :P
22:58 < SupSuper> well this is a pull request, thus all the senseless history rewriting
22:58 < SupSuper> but if it's my branch how did he change it?
22:59 <@JonnyH> you can set github to allow project members write access to pull requests
22:59 < SupSuper> damn
22:59 <@JonnyH> it creates a *magic* branch called "pull/PULL_NUMBER/head" on the github repo
23:00 <@JonnyH> see this: https://help.github.com/articles/checking-out-pull-requests-locally/
23:00 < SupSuper> in this case it's their gitlab, so i guess technically they can do whatever :p
23:00 <@JonnyH> you can 'git reset' to the "BRANCHNAME" after the fetch in their example
23:00 <@JonnyH> Oh, I assume gitlab has a similar "magic branch"
23:00 <@JonnyH> ..maybe even named the same?
23:00 <@JonnyH> but look in gitlab's documentation
23:01 < SupSuper> well i mean i went into my remote repo and he literally changed my remote branch, there's no "magic" about it
23:01 <@JonnyH> oh. That's weird.
23:02 < SupSuper> it's a private gitlab instance so
23:02 <@JonnyH> I've only ever seen that when you FUCK UP and push something non-public or insult a customer and want to remove the history
23:02 < SupSuper> so he could've just said "throw away your local branch and pull from your remote" would've made more sense to me :p
23:02 <@JonnyH> as git isn't designed to rewrite history in anything but the local git....
23:02 <@JonnyH> 'git reset' if effectvely "throw away the current checkout version and use the "argument" branch instead"
23:03 < SupSuper> as you can see: https://gitlab.kitware.com/SupSuper/cmake/commit/dd0824eb567a93131f548b237e4595402f0f82b2
23:03 < SupSuper> well they have a bot to do it, i think
23:03 < SupSuper> trust me, these last days of actually "contributing back to open-source" have shown me everyone has craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy workflows and no wonder nobody wants to bother :p
23:04 <@JonnyH> weird... That's insane-o
23:04 <@JonnyH> "normal" people would just use rebase-and-fastforward at merge time
23:04 <@JonnyH> or if they want you to make /real/ substantive changes, make you do them yourself and push the fixed version....
23:04 < SupSuper> i guess it's to preserve the "pull request" on both ends while showing all the changes it went through?
23:05 < SupSuper> since once you fix it up on your end it's no longer part of the request
23:05 < SupSuper> well i'm glad *they* did it because this is some advanced git foo :p
23:05 <@JonnyH> But if it's not a change you authored, it shouldn't have your name on it...
23:06 <@JonnyH> Or at least "signed off on and included into your PR yourself"
23:06 < SupSuper> you can see the whole dance here: https://gitlab.kitware.com/cmake/cmake/merge_requests/1903
23:06 < SupSuper> i told you cmake is scary :p
23:07 < SupSuper> tbf they didn't change anything besides the branch
23:07 <@JonnyH> you don't need to rebase the PR on top of another branch if it merges cleanly... you can just merge that PR onto another branch instead?
23:08 < SupSuper> but boy howdy that branch has gone through hell and back just to conform
23:08 <@JonnyH> Maybe it's a weird gitlab limitation where you can't retarget a PR at merge time?
23:08 <@JonnyH> TBH it's your fault for not having a name with a space in it
23:08 < SupSuper> :p
23:09 <@JonnyH> Next thing you'll want a non-ascii char or something crazy....
23:09 <@JonnyH> I mean, *honestly*, who do these people think they are?
23:10 <@JonnyH> They should be speaking english (and by "english" I mean *proper*, en_US english)
23:10 < SupSuper> on the opposite end of things, i've had a pull request on another project stalled for a week because "the commit message wasn't manually wordwrapped to 80 char lines"...
23:10 <@JonnyH> and have proper, english names. No mis-spelled Phillips or similar
23:10 <@JonnyH> TBH on sane platforms the git commit editor auto-wraps to 80 chars...
23:11 < SupSuper> what are they doing that their terminal (i assume?) doesn't automatically wordwrap...
23:11 <@JonnyH> It's 'caus in some things (like pasted code and tables and stuff), word wrapping /changes/ things
23:12 < SupSuper> i've always been taught formatting should be an end-interface thing... what if you later decide you want 100 char lines instead...
23:12 <@JonnyH> and as they seem more common in commit messages than prose, git decided not to enforce it in-code
23:15 <@JonnyH> BRB I'm going to edit all your commits to openapoc to let everyone know just how much of a poopyhead you admit to being
23:20 < SupSuper> it's not like git has any kind of auth so you could just put my name on all your commits :p
23:23 <@JonnyH> "real" people gpg sign their commits
23:23 < SupSuper> way to botshame
23:24 <@JonnyH> haha, that's funny ${FIRSTNAME}
23:25 <@JonnyH> That reminds me of the time when ${AMUSING_ANECDOTE}
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22:06 < SupSuper> JonnyH: the cmake wars continue!
23:20 <@JonnyH> cmake wars: Return of the makefile
23:20 <@JonnyH> Still struggling with the tests?
23:21 <@JonnyH> TBH if you want to wrap the tests in #if not WINDOWS for now, it wouldn't be a regression
23:21 < SupSuper> nah, now it's purely between me and cmake
23:21 < SupSuper> openapoc is off the hook :p
23:30 <@JonnyH> Don't want to whine about the first cmakelists.txt I ever wrote again? :P
23:31 < SupSuper> well after this whole adventure *i* might understand cmakelists
23:31 < SupSuper> (don't quote me on that)
23:31 <@JonnyH> Half the problem is there seems to be 5 ways of doing the same thing
23:32 <@JonnyH> and no comment on which is the "modern" way
23:32 <@JonnyH> ...any a million "experts" arguing about what the modern way even *is*
23:32 < SupSuper> cmake can't even agree on how you space your parenthesis :p
23:40 < SupSuper> the moral is i've deeply regretted giving back to open-source
23:43 <@JonnyH> Hope you learned your lession...
23:43 <@JonnyH> BTW apple are hiring if you want to sell your soul to the dark side... :P
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22:54 < SupSuper> JonnyH: we got a wise guy over here
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00:46 < YatakaShimaoka78> ????
00:46 < YatakaShimaoka78> Nani kore?
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00:48 < nadir1648[m]> My experience with these idiots tells me that flooding a channel with advertising either
00:48 < nadir1648[m]> 1.) Makes people avoid what you're advertising out of spite
00:48 < nadir1648[m]> *or*
00:48 < nadir1648[m]> 2.) Makes people come to what you're advertising and troll the shit out of it out of spite
00:48 < nadir1648[m]> Either way, I'm sure the mother of whoever keeps spamming Supernets is very proud indeed.
00:48 < nadir1648[m]> Er, to clarify, spamming *about* Supernets.
01:32 < Cerazor6378[m]> M'Bank
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17:08 <@JonnyH> SupSuper: Yeah, there's been a rash of that spam on various channels on freenode the last few weeks...
17:09 <@JonnyH> Kinda surprised anyone knows of #openapoc at all... Guess the bots are just going down the list?
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03:51 < nadir1648[m]> Apparently it's pretty widespread. I like to think the MotD on Supernets is "yes, we know."
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07:50 < Cerazor6378[m]> Whats Supernets anyway? An irc?
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19:43 < Lightkey> two ircs
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19:58 < Cerazor6378[m]> Neat
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00:36 < SupSuper> JonnyH: mystery solved
00:37 <@JonnyH> good.
00:37 <@JonnyH> I guess.... what mystery?
00:37 < SupSuper> it's visual studio's fault. it's always visual studio's fault :p
00:38 <@JonnyH> cmake test stuff?
00:49 < SupSuper> yeah
00:50 < SupSuper> if you run ctest, it works fine. but visual studio is too good for that :p
00:53 < SupSuper> more seriously, they do use ctest for the command-line stuff, but they can't use it for the gui stuff, because then if you wanna debug your tests there's no good way to hook into their processes
00:53 < SupSuper> so it's a case of "we rolled our own so we gotta make it right now"
00:54 < SupSuper> still i never expected in a million years i'd be reporting bugs to visual studio and they'd be replying back. what a future we live in :p
00:57 <@JonnyH> the compiler guys have popped up on reddit a bit too
00:59 < SupSuper> still kinda scary that just "visual studio" is a clown car of many many different orchestrated product teams :p
01:00 < SupSuper> also kinda scary that now their docs are all on github so there's nothing stopping you from doing all their jobs for them
01:05 <@JonnyH> That's why I'm such a fan of OSS gpu drivers
01:05 <@JonnyH> I'd *love* someone to do my job for me...
01:18 < SupSuper> make a driver to make the driver for you :p
01:19 <@JonnyH> G P U M A C H I N E L E A R N I N G
01:20 <@JonnyH> We're trying ;)
03:08 < SupSuper> wow i got a pull request merged in cmake :o
03:08 < SupSuper> and it only took half a month
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07:30 < superusercode362> ~~use meson~~
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15:49 < Ankor7051[m]> Hey Jonny =] you have access to FB group? can you give me also access so i can add few fresh news so its not look abandoned?
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15:51 < Ankor7051[m]> its makus i also doing news to vk.com/openapoc
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17:59 < YatakaShimaoka78> The fb was controlled by PmProg, I once contacted the group and PmProg is the one who answered me way back last yeat
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22:10 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH opened pull request #373: Update glm to include gcc 7.3 fix (master...WIP/gcc73-glm) https://git.io/vpvZD
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02:00 < Ankor7051[m]> superusercode you connect here github? its laready connected in github_news channel...
02:53 < superusercode362> Ankor I didn't make that bot
03:34 < Ankor7051[m]> oooh its irc bot lol =]
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20:48 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 9 new commits to master: https://git.io/vpJLN
20:48 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 944e8a3 Roger: Update README.md
20:48 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 5055f81 Roger: Update README.md
20:48 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 7d8e8df Roger: Update README.md
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20:48 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] JonnyH pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vpJLx
20:48 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 2e16955 Jonathan Hamilton: Update glm to include gcc 7.3 fix
20:48 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master f3e5c70 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #373 from JonnyH/WIP/gcc73-glm...
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07:59 < Ankor7051[m]> Hey i will try update readme in Whats left category ...
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18:24 < SupSuper> JonnyH: https://github.com/SupSuper/OpenXcom/pull/1181 today i learned file permissions on git are a thing
18:24 < SupSuper> ~~linux~~
18:26 <@JonnyH> You can also add stuff like symlinks in git - no idea what happens if you checkout that on windows...
18:26 <@JonnyH> Or files differing only by case...
18:26 < SupSuper> well windows has symlinks. no idea about the latter, probably bad things
18:27 < SupSuper> i've heard bad stories of casing in branches...
18:27 <@JonnyH> Or reserved names, or invalid characters in filenames...
18:28 <@JonnyH> Yeah, a 'branch' in git is pretty much a file of that name containing the head revision in the .git folder - so probably hits the same issue
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23:14 < superusercode> 👋
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12:14 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Hi Superusercode
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17:00 < salaleser> hello there! Just testing this messenger...
17:01 < JonnyH> hey
17:01 < salaleser7570[m]> test
17:01 < salaleser> oh nice, it works)
17:02 < YatakaShimaoka78> Hehe, no need, its been tested a lot
17:02 < salaleser7570[m]> the first time using IRC)
17:02 < YatakaShimaoka78> So evening/morning whatever the time
17:02 < YatakaShimaoka78> Oh
17:02 < YatakaShimaoka78> Well, I first used irc when I found out about this project
17:03 < YatakaShimaoka78> Just checked there, waiting for a pulse
17:03 < salaleser7570[m]> is it the main channel?
17:03 < YatakaShimaoka78> Oops, hahaha sorry! Let's move this on the general channel
17:04 < JonnyH> I can't sit on discord, but tend to idle in irc pretty much 24/7
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17:07 < YatakaShimaoka78> He he, discord is somewhat confusing sometimes
17:08 < JonnyH> IRC doesn't allow you to post funny gifs
17:08 < JonnyH> ...which I consider an advantage of irc :)
17:09 < YatakaShimaoka78> True
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18:59 < SupSuper> JonnyH: clangformat for visual studio is in. time to upgrade to whatever the latest clangformat is :p
18:59 < JonnyH> I kinda standardised on 4.0, as it was the latest when I actually did that
19:00 < JonnyH> but the differences seem smaller between versions now - I remember the differences between like 3.7 and 3.8 caused a lot of lines changes, but not it seems to be less...
19:00 < SupSuper> well they're on 5.0 now
19:01 < JonnyH> I added a script to (hopefully) fail the travis builds if it detected a format violation - and it checks the clang version in that too, so if you change the 'standard' tweak the script and travis config to match too
19:20 < JonnyH> :O Expression SFINAE and 2-phase lookup??
19:20 < JonnyH> Looks like msvc might actually be a c++ compiler finally!
19:21 < SupSuper> scary huh
19:21 < JonnyH> wonder when we'll get c11... :P
19:21 < JonnyH> nothing more fun than moving the goalposts...
19:22 < JonnyH> Plus supporting vector_size attributes would make some cool things possible cross-platform
19:28 < SupSuper> at least cmake looks tidier now: https://i.imgur.com/CgkvoCg.png
19:30 < JonnyH> Are the format targets still useful?
19:31 < JonnyH> I think I was the only one using them, but I moved to a git hook instead...
19:31 < JonnyH> feel free to scrub them
19:31 < SupSuper> well i don't use them :p i doubt anyone on windows uses cmake
19:31 < SupSuper> but me, i guess
19:32 < JonnyH> well, we knew you were weird
19:33 < SupSuper> also apparently vcpkg is cross-platform now? as if linux needed more package managers :p
19:33 < JonnyH> xkcd 927
19:36 < SupSuper> forcing powershell on me is already a sin
19:37 < SupSuper> what do you *mean* i have to append .\ to run executables. what is this, linux?
19:37 < JonnyH> 'caus cmd is so good?
19:38 < SupSuper> i *understand* cmd, i don't have to like it :p
19:39 < SupSuper> i am a c++ programmer after all
19:39 < SupSuper> wait, i'm not sure i understand c++ either...
20:07 < SupSuper> oh there's a boost update, i should get that "Total elapsed time: 27.5 min" :C
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23:28 < JonnyH> I guess that also means you can't complain if I move to a hard c++17 requirement now SupSuper
23:29 < SupSuper> well they still haven't fixed the constexpr bug :p
23:34 < JonnyH> not hit that myself, but I've not done of the more crazy constexpr constructs...
23:35 < SupSuper> apparently they've fixed my ctest bug though. i feel like i made a difference!
23:35 < JonnyH> But I do want to drop the experimental <filesystem> stuff (there's some small changes from the api that was standardised in gcc, but I don't think we happen to hit any of those cases?)
23:36 < JonnyH> and I really want to replace some of the wonky union stuff with variants and use the structured binding stuff...
23:36 < JonnyH> ..does that bugfix now mean your cmake port can run my (crappy) unit tests on windows now?
23:37 < JonnyH> Or what that bug 1 of N?
23:37 < SupSuper> well if you break msvc i'll let you know :p i think the only one you have to convince is pmprog
23:37 < JonnyH> I'll just change it and keep it quiet...
23:37 < JonnyH> And update travis to gcc 8 :P
23:37 < SupSuper> yes! well, they haven't released the fix yet, but it's tagged as "fixed" so, just have to wait it out?
23:38 < SupSuper> not that this matters for build systems which just run cmake directly yet anyways...
23:39 < SupSuper> but theoretically you could point appveyor at cmake instead of msbuild? no idea what would happen
23:40 < SupSuper> since appveyor makes the public builds, i don't wanna poke it :P
23:54 < JonnyH> Now you know my pain
23:54 < JonnyH> I'm pretty sure there are still fixes I wrote for PowerVR that haven't actually made it to customers yet :P
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00:04 < SupSuper> i'm not sure there's any point since appveyor is specifically designed for windows so why bother trying to make it otherwise
00:04 < SupSuper> besides cleaning up redundant vs projects
00:05 < JonnyH> having the tests would be a step up for windows, along with proper dependnecy management for the DataExtractor's results
00:05 < JonnyH> and not having to modify 2 build systems sounds good
00:11 < SupSuper> yeah but appveyor doesn't even acknowledge cmake :P best you can do is point it at a build_script and test_script
00:14 < JonnyH> 'wget http://questionable.website/cmake.exe"
00:16 < SupSuper> oh they do have it installed, because why not
00:16 < SupSuper> mostly i'm annoyed that *nobody else* seems to have tried to connect appveyor and cmake :P so i'll wait for you to enforce vs2017 before going on that adventure
00:23 < JonnyH> waiting for anything from me right now is probably a mistake
00:23 < JonnyH> Unless you /want/ to put it off forever and blame me
00:23 < SupSuper> exactly
00:26 < SupSuper> it's only fair, this solution is *super clean* but i doubt anyone actually wants to mess with cmake vs a project file
00:29 < SupSuper> well... it might speed up the auto build times? i don't know how "pulling and building every dependency everytime" vs "cached dependencies + cmake" compares
00:30 < SupSuper> since both appveyor and travis take 20min
02:47 < JonnyH> I feel like the linux build scales up better, with more cores and better parallelisation
02:47 < JonnyH> but not sure if that is cmake, gcc, something else....
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19:48 < SupSuper> JonnyH: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/05/08/extended-eol-in-notepad/
19:48 < SupSuper> what a time to be alive
20:42 < JonnyH> :O
20:42 < JonnyH> Hopefully they don't windows-10ify it
20:42 < JonnyH> like the calculator now sucks donkey balls...
20:43 < JonnyH> but using sane line endings is cool
20:43 < JonnyH> I mean... a newline *and* carriage return? Are they still using printing TTYs?
20:44 < SupSuper> please, next you'll expect them to default to utf-8
20:45 < JonnyH> better than maybe-ucs2 maybe utf16...
20:57 < SupSuper> please, it's *unicode*: https://i.imgur.com/FUMq83F.png
21:35 < JonnyH> ...but which unicode?
21:36 < JonnyH> and utf8 is an encoding of unicode... so surely they should just have 3 unicodes?
21:37 < SupSuper> :p
21:37 < JonnyH> TBH ucs2 is the worst of both worlds - not compact in "common" languages like utf8, doesn't represent all code points (thus fixed width) like utf32
21:38 < SupSuper> once you call one encoding "unicode" you don't go back
21:39 < JonnyH> yeah, backwards compat is pretty cool, but also pretty terrible
21:43 < SupSuper> well, the whole point of utf8 *was* backward compatibility :p otherwise utf-16 would've probably sufficed
21:43 < SupSuper> and the only common use for 32-bit is emojis...
21:45 < JonnyH> some weird less common CJK glyphs need 4 bytes too IIRC
21:45 < JonnyH> I'm glad I made sure openapoc supports emoji
21:45 < JonnyH> *good use of time*
21:45 < JonnyH> ...just need a good font though
21:45 < SupSuper> well openxcom uses wide strings and nobody's broken it yet...
21:46 < SupSuper> tbf "unicode" is pretty much deprecated and microsoft advocates using utf-8 or utf-16 wherever possible and has apis for them
21:46 < JonnyH> is "unicode" mode *Actually* utf16? Or can it just not cope with the extended stuff?
21:49 < SupSuper> it probably depends on the windows version :p
21:49 < JonnyH> so you don't even know if it's fixed width?
21:49 < JonnyH> sad
21:51 < SupSuper> well every process has a codepage set so you can always check that, if you're in c land anyways. java and c# and the like just nominally use utf-16
21:51 < JonnyH> there's zero reason to choose utf16 for 'new' stuff though...
21:52 < SupSuper> and of course this only applies to in-process strings, any serialized strings used... whatever they used at the time :p
21:52 < JonnyH> I can only guess they thought that would be 'easier' to move from old ucs2 codebases
21:52 < SupSuper> yeah i assume once you define a 16-bit type you gotta stick to that size
21:53 < JonnyH> I guess handing non-fixed-width was easier than changing from 16bits at the same time?
21:53 < JonnyH> I can only assume their codebases are really nasty spaghetti
21:53 < SupSuper> it doesn't help that the whole c api is stuck in ansi
21:53 < JonnyH> win32? Yeah
21:53 < JonnyH> posix actually works fine with utf8
21:54 < SupSuper> yeah because you can just assume everything is utf8 and fuck the haters :p
21:54 < JonnyH> as it didn't define string encoding *At all* - just 'null terminated character streams'... which utf8 satisfies
21:54 < SupSuper> apparently ucs2 was shortlived though: "Windows NT was the first operating system that used "wide characters" in system calls. Using the UCS-2 encoding scheme at first, it was upgraded to UTF-16 starting with Windows 2000, allowing a representation of additional planes with surrogate pairs."
21:55 < JonnyH> Oh, so 'unicode' *is* utf16 on any sane windows OS you'll actually see
21:59 < SupSuper> yup. but since "unicode" is technically opt-in, you can never really be sure you're not getting some weird legacy codepage
22:00 < JonnyH> Aren't they different entrypoints? Win32FunctionW()?
22:00 < JonnyH> and it 'switched' from the default by a #define in the header?
22:01 < SupSuper> yeah, i mean you can be sure *you're* using unicode, but you can't be sure all the other processes are too, and everytime there's a switch between A and W, there's conversions afoot
22:02 < SupSuper> like when you try to use the c api on a unicode application and end up having to write hacks around it :p
22:03 < SupSuper> because it's not even "ansi", it's "whatever the default system codepage is, which luckily win32 just lets you convert to utf-8, otherwise good grief"
22:04 < SupSuper> apparently they've added a beta option where you can force that system codepage to utf-8 though: https://twitter.com/matarillo/status/931050853347110912
22:05 < JonnyH> Time to force the locale for everyone then...
22:05 < JonnyH> en_GB.utf8 good for you? Great, cool, setting it.
22:05 < JonnyH> Please direct all complaints to /dev/null
22:11 < SupSuper> i guess you could setlocale("UTF8") and it would actually work?
22:11 < JonnyH> No idea...
22:12 < SupSuper> wait, something actually working in c? forget about it
22:12 < JonnyH> and once again, there's the iso standard locale names
22:12 < JonnyH> and what windows uses...
22:19 < SupSuper> actually you can convince windows to use iso standard locale names... if you actually use win32 :p
22:20 < JonnyH> nice of them. You can finally avoid using platfom-specific code with some platform-specific code
22:22 < SupSuper> that is the problem with backwards compatibility. with win32 you can "opt in" to the good stuff, but there's no such option with c/c++
22:23 < SupSuper> maybe they could macro it away? it'd probably be a mess to support, but not any messier than win32 is...
22:23 < JonnyH> shouldn't that be up to the libc/libc++ implementation though?
22:23 < JonnyH> If you start using std::locale opt-in to sane stuff?
22:23 < JonnyH> But then again I guess that was probably added to msvc before they added the opt-in...
22:24 < SupSuper> well good thing the c standard is super wishy washy about locales :p
22:24 < JonnyH> Or at least didn't think about it at the time
22:24 < JonnyH> c says "here's how to set the locale"
22:24 < JonnyH> q: What's a "locale"?
22:24 < JonnyH> c: "platform dependant"
22:26 < SupSuper> "C"
22:27 < SupSuper> the best locale
22:30 < SupSuper> i guess the real problem is the concept of a "locale" is broken. after all, unicode is supposed to be "locale-less". thus windows defines locales to have a "ANSI/OEM code page that's associated with the locale", thus ruling out stuff like UTF8
22:32 < JonnyH> Yeah, "locale" just sets the default gettext page/formatting stuff like dates & decimals
22:32 < JonnyH> not /encoding/ as such, it's just a historical artifact they're often releated
22:34 < SupSuper> even though there *are* multibyte oem code pages also because of historical reasons
22:34 < SupSuper> maybe that's why they're finally throwing their hands up and going "fuckit, utf-8 is a thing"
22:34 < SupSuper> "if all your apis suddenly break multibyte sequences don't look at us"
22:35 < JonnyH> ＳｈｉｆｔＪＩＳ
22:36 < JonnyH> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_JIS#/media/File:JIS_and_Shift-JIS_variants.svg
22:36 < JonnyH> Thank god for utf8 is all I can say
22:36 < SupSuper> but utf8 is filthy-english-biased!!
22:36 < JonnyH> ...yeah, that's a pretty good selling point too
22:38 < SupSuper> my pet peeve against shift-jis is the fact it has wide and narrow characters, and it's standardized now so you need to support both because who knows which is appropriate
22:38 < SupSuper> the openxcom japanese translations have wide and narrow characters all over the place
22:40 < JonnyH> only the weirdest languages have anything that's not encoded as 2 bytes in utf8...
22:40 < JonnyH> so even then it's "no worse" than utf16
22:46 < JonnyH> So CJK users just get used to keming that's all over the place?
22:50 < SupSuper> i guess. they probably have some rule to it, like maybe � looks better next to japanese text and ! looks better next to english text
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00:14 < SupSuper> JonnyH: well thanks for the test :p
00:18 < JonnyH> Gotta keep the average time from "bot startup" to "first bot abuse" low :P
00:18 < JonnyH> But honestly, in what world is "anyone typing a common magic string" not a bug? 
00:18 < SupSuper> the bot *shouldn't* have ping permissions, but webhooks are a magical wonderland
00:19 < SupSuper> i just disabled pings for the whole channel :p
00:19 < JonnyH> Probably for the best - or even the whole servfer
00:19 < JonnyH> I'm not sure I can think of a use at all...
00:19 < SupSuper> they *should* be. but webhooks don't seem to follow the "role" symbol
00:19 < SupSuper> *system
00:19 < JonnyH> (and honestly, I didn't expect it to actually go through)
00:20 < SupSuper> so i just muted the whole channel and hopefully that covers webhooks?
00:20 < JonnyH> I can help you test if you want
00:20 < JonnyH> :P
00:21 < SupSuper> clearly i should use @everyone here to get back at you :P
00:21 < Cerazor6378[m]> Thank you
00:21 < Cerazor6378[m]> I needed that �
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00:21 < StarToad5831[m]> cursed text
00:21 < macksting7840[m]> ... Naturally.
00:22 < Cerazor6378[m]> I should get back at you by reciting Oingo Boingo song lyrics Super
00:22 < Thinky6199[m]> Oh God
00:22 < Thinky6199[m]> The bots
00:22 < macksting7840[m]> It's a summoning spell.
00:22 < JonnyH> Eh, I don't use discord much and everything's muted for me anyway
00:22 < JonnyH> so you annoy everyone else but me
00:22 < Thinky6199[m]> They have unleashed
00:22 < Cerazor6378[m]> It's the rapture.
00:22 < JonnyH> Mutual Assured Destruction in action
00:22 < macksting7840[m]> Funny thing is I stay on IRC via a Matrix bridge.
00:22 < Cerazor6378[m]> It's the forgotten sign, The bots will unleash spam across the globe.
00:22 < Cerazor6378[m]> signalling the end times
00:23 < macksting7840[m]> So now my Matrix account is seeing Discord stuff in its IRC channels.
00:23 < macksting7840[m]> \/nick Leo
00:23 < Cerazor6378[m]> MAD in effect
00:24 < Cerazor6378[m]> 😱
00:24 < JonnyH> there's only one solution to this...
00:24 < JonnyH> EVEN BIGGER GUNS
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00:35 < SupSuper> https://github.com/Half-Shot/matrix-appservice-discord/issues/89 great, so *everyone's* at fault
00:36 < SupSuper> and fwiw JonnyH "guild" is discord's legacy term for servers since... that's where discord came from. guild chats
00:37 < JonnyH> I guess if you host the bot yourself you could always pipe it through "sed s/ateveryone//g"
00:37 < JonnyH> bam, solved for now
00:37 < JonnyH> as 'user permissions' is kinda nonsense from an irc perspective
00:39 < SupSuper> well it's the discord end that's at fault. since it's just a webhook mirroring your messages on discord, so it should respect the bot settings rather than just doing *whatever*
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13:39 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Jarskih opened pull request #374: Fix bug when selling vehicle equipment or ammo (master...master) https://git.io/vppxV
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08:23 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Great stuff @jarskih thanks for the submission <3
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02:54 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Jarskih opened pull request #375: Messages for vehicle rearmed, refuelled and not enough ammo or fuel events (master...reloading-refueling-fix) https://git.io/vhkOb
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20:03 < SupSuper> hey JonnyH do you review pull requests?
20:05 < JonnyH> somewhat - I saw the one the other day (and this morning) but haven't had a chance to look over
20:05 < JonnyH> most of the time if they're sane I'll merge happily :)
20:05 < SupSuper> alright, FilmBoy was asking if anyone could look them over since they looked useful
20:06 < SupSuper> and while i have the authority, i don't think i have the responsibility to do so :p
20:24 < Cerazor6378[m]> Also if something goes wrong Super won't be in the crosshairs :p
20:25 < JonnyH> And clearly I'm the paragon of responsibility
20:25 < SupSuper> now you're getting it :p
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10:21 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] Jarskih closed pull request #375: Messages for vehicle rearmed, refuelled and not enough ammo or fuel events (master...reloading-refueling-fix) https://git.io/vhkOb
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19:42 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master e5fc6da Jarskih: Check for null pointers and zero division
19:42 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master 29c0256 Jarskih: Clang Format
19:42 < openapoc-git> OpenApoc/master c370303 Jonathan Hamilton: Merge pull request #377 from Jarskih/null-ptr-checks...
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21:32 < SupSuper> JonnyH: https://www.appveyor.com/docs/packaging-artifacts/#artifacts-retention-policy
21:32 < SupSuper> looks like appveyor isn't keeping downloads forever anymore
21:44 < JonnyH> Yup, we already spoke to them when builds randomly started failing
21:45 < JonnyH> it turned out they didn't wire up "out of space errors" correctly, they they did boost openapoc up to a "more space" plan for free, which was nice, and I spoke to them about their plans for retention
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22:11 < SupSuper> do you need that many space?
22:14 < JonnyH> no, just at that time stuff wasn't auto-deleted, and you hit some magic limit and builds started failing
22:15 < JonnyH> requiring to manually go back to each past build individually and delete the stored artifacts
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02:38 < YatakaShimaoka78> Hey, I found a post on oxc's forums about the OpenApoc website being secure, just a heads up since it might concern people about registering and using the site
02:38 < YatakaShimaoka78> Sorry, I mean "Not being secure*
02:41 < TheReaverofDarkn> it isn't secure. It uses HTTP protocol.
02:43 < YatakaShimaoka78> Yeah, I made a typo there
02:44 < TheReaverofDarkn> I mean it's not a matter of {might not be secure} it is {not secure}. But it's really also no big deal. HTTPS is becoming the standard but HTTP is still used on many older sites and most of us use them all the time without thinking about it.
02:46 < YatakaShimaoka78> I dunno, just read it on the OXC forums, thought it might be a priority, but I see your point. I'll notify Feru at the forums
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00:29 < Lightkey> next Google Chrome version is going to mark all HTTP websites as not secure
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00:52 < StarvingPoet7348> Well, by definition, they arent
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00:52 < OBPSG0943[m]> HTTPS is application-layer security, which is separate from security at other layers, such as SSL/TLS at the transport layer, and WPA for WiFi.
00:52 < OBPSG0943[m]> Standard HTTP webpages can still be secure, just not as secure as with HTTPS.
00:54 < StarvingPoet7348> HTTP has no protection from MitM attacks and can never be secure.
01:01 < JonnyH> I'm not really involved with the website
01:01 < JonnyH> I have the dns name, but that's it
01:03 < JonnyH> Makus is probably the one you should all be talking to...
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06:02 < Ankor7051[m]> what exactly going on ? i dont understand
06:45 < YatakaShimaoka78> Website security, people thinks our forum is not safe enough for them to use
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08:19 < ZHVP4110[m]> The government is always watching always monitoring, if it isn't the government then its the COMMIES
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09:21 < Ankor7051[m]> why?
09:34 < ZHVP4110[m]> Why not?
09:36 < Ankor7051[m]> its for Yata and about gov its just system that does not know good or evil is an instrument
09:37 < Ankor7051[m]> Is fecit cui prodest
09:38 < ZHVP4110[m]> ?
09:39 < Ankor7051[m]> ?
09:39 < Ankor7051[m]> ть
09:39 < Ankor7051[m]> *edit:* ~~ть~~ -> nm
09:40 < ZHVP4110[m]> What does fecit cui mean
09:45 < Ankor7051[m]> some roman words =]
10:04 < Cerazor6378[m]> Antedeluvian horrors await all of you.
10:07 < Ankor7051[m]> or rather the usual horrors of the next usual cycle...
10:10 < Cerazor6378[m]> Antedeluvian sounds cooler.
10:11 < Ankor7051[m]> The priest says “O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you�
10:12  * Ankor7051[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/HOqpZIqwlLMEquPGvWeHAUqN >
12:19 < StarvingPoet7348> Just use a unique password per website, problem solved
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18:57 < openapoc-git> [OpenApoc] pkubaj opened pull request #381: Fix compilation with FreeBSD (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fNttH
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18:23 < SupSuper6860[m]> Ankor i think they just want HTTPS on the site 😛
18:35 < Ankor7051[m]> np 15$ and its good to go )
18:37  * SupSuper6860[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/UJQHsNIZgbORUQKrTnIAQNfb >
18:38 < Ankor7051[m]> ye but for this need Dedicated IP addresses
18:38 < Ankor7051[m]> its 15$
18:38 < SupSuper6860[m]> ohhh ok
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23:49 < JonnyH> FYI I could probably use the let encrypt google dns plugin to create a certificate...
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09:22 < smoke_th3764[m]> did someone of you guys had any time to actually describe how battlescape loop is working? i mean i can spend a few days dissecting the code, but i think it would be easier if someone eased me into that shit
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17:15 < JonnyH> smoke_th3764[m]: Generally, the loop is controlled by Battle::update() to do the per-tick logic
17:16 < JonnyH> All the game objects are kept in a TileMap (shared with the cityscape), that does the drawing
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00:56 < SupSuper> JonnyH: know anything about travis?
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05:44 < smoke_th3764[m]> Ok, so, wait. what colorspace did apocalypse use anyway? Is there a set of palette files?
05:47 < smoke_th3764[m]> or is it just a PCX FFA with more than 256 colors total, 256 colors max at individual sprite with sequential rendering?
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09:28 < Filmboy84[m]> smoke_th There's a technical description of the PCK format here; it differs from the UFO/TFTD version
09:28 < Filmboy84[m]> https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Image_Formats_(Apocalypse)
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09:35 < FilmBoy849294[m]> The page does need updating regarding compression mode 2, i recall something being found that used this in Beta2 but we never got as far as finding out exactly what it was being used in game-side
09:35 < FilmBoy849294[m]> It's possibly a legacy of an image file format used in early development that was completely removed by Final release...
09:35 < FilmBoy849294[m]> It's worth noting that even the vanilla release EXE allows for higher resolution and bit depths by enabling a "disabled feature" with a hex editor (contact Skin for details)
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11:26 < StarvingPoet7348> Need to addan extra closing parenthesis on that link
11:26 < StarvingPoet7348> Markup strips it by default
11:27 < FilmBoy849294[m]> <https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Image_Formats_(Apocalypse)>
11:27 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Not sure if that fixes it 😃
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16:08 < FilmBoy849294[m]> smoke_th Looks great; I like the simplicity to adding tile parts across multiple layers <3
16:08 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Would love the Apocalypse editor (enabled by HEX editing) to have this fluid interface...
16:09 < FilmBoy849294[m]> *edit:* ~~smoke_th Looks great; I like the simplicity to adding tile parts across multiple layers <3
16:09 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Would love the Apocalypse editor (enabled by HEX editing) to have this fluid interface...~~ -> smoke_th Looks great; I like the simplicity to adding tile parts across multiple layers �
16:09 < smoke_th3764[m]> it's nowhere near as fluid. i still need to add more options
16:09 < smoke_th3764[m]> also ux lacking
16:18 < SupSuper6860[m]> smoke_th apocalypse is 256 color, although openapoc doesn't have that limit. all the images are either PCX backgrounds with built-in palette, or PCK sprites that reuse the PCX palette or one of the external ones in DAT files
16:19 < SupSuper6860[m]> so in the original you would be limited to 256 colors per screen, but not in openapoc. also the only place that actually used palette effects was the cityspace day/night cycle afaik
16:20 < SupSuper6860[m]> jtrhamilton can correct me if i'm wrong
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07:33 < smoke_th3764[m]> why do people dislike Ufo:Afterlight?
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08:44 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Too removed from X-COM like strategy
08:44 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Repetitive missions
08:44 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Mars setting doesn't quite work
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08:52 < smoke_th3764[m]> missions are repetitive in every x-com game.
08:52 < smoke_th3764[m]> mars works like setting if you consider it being post x-com 2 marsec  expansion.
08:53 < smoke_th3764[m]> base building is better. bases are more complex and more personal since you manage only limited personell.
08:54 < FilmBoy849294[m]> I agree, it had so much promise and i do, personally, prefer it to Aftershock, but do not like it as much as Aftermath
08:54 < FilmBoy849294[m]> It's just a shame the series never really went anywhere drastically different with it's mechanics
08:54 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Effectively each game was a variant of Aftermath
09:23 < smoke_th3764[m]> What i like about it is - missions are short. It never gets to the gruelling "oh what the fuck, it's been 15 minutes and no sign of alien anywhere.
09:23 < smoke_th3764[m]> *edit:* ~~What i like about it is - missions are short. It never gets to the gruelling "oh what the fuck, it's been 15 minutes and no sign of alien anywhere.~~ -> What i like about it is - missions are short. It never gets to the gruelling "oh what the fuck, it's been 15 minutes and no sign of alien anywhere."
09:23 < smoke_th3764[m]> "oh fuck, apocalypse bugged out - non-flying enemy stuck on top of ufo
09:23 < smoke_th3764[m]> *edit:* ~~"oh fuck, apocalypse bugged out - non-flying enemy stuck on top of ufo~~ -> "oh fuck, apocalypse bugged out - non-flying enemy stuck on top of ufo"
09:39 < FilmBoy849294[m]> That is true, though ive never experienced the alien on UFO bug in apocalypse... Usually it's just a lone brainsucker trying to escape to the exit that i have to spend an age scouring the map for.
09:39 < FilmBoy849294[m]> But im playing CD-ROM version with learning AI so maybe this is a digitial dist/RotW bug??
09:40 < smoke_th3764[m]> is there really learning AI in place?
09:40 < smoke_th3764[m]> i thought it was a myth just like in battleship millenium
09:40 < smoke_th3764[m]> *edit:* ~~i thought it was a myth just like in battleship millenium~~ -> i thought it was a myth just like in battlecruiser millenium
09:41 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Yes, all versions contain the files, most appear to update the tables after each mission, but we have yet to work out why not all versions seem to actually use the data to change tactics
09:41 < FilmBoy849294[m]> I posted the list of files from the technical manual to the forums, give me a sec...
09:42 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Here you go...
09:42 < FilmBoy849294[m]> http://openapoc.org/threads/apocalypses-learning-ai.257/
09:42 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Skin36 has done some technical dissembly of those files and has most, but not all, of the fields and their purpose ascertained
09:43 < smoke_th3764[m]> Have you confirmed with Julian that it actually is a learning AI and not just half-disabled data collection feature?
09:44 < smoke_th3764[m]> Because as far as i am aware any attempt to make a fully learning ai in anything but chess been widly fucked, with exception of CS:Source where ai slightly optimizes routes
09:46 < smoke_th3764[m]> i mean prior to ML
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09:48 < FilmBoy849294[m]> The gollops were clever enough to add in a "random" factor to each behaviour so the AI does ocassionally try other tactics too
09:48 < FilmBoy849294[m]> This gives the illusion of intelligence
09:49 < smoke_th3764[m]> Well i mean it is still learning on technical level, tho it's more to do with very basic statistics.
09:50 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Exactly, way ahead of its time though and the AI can be brutal once it's learned what kills your agents most effectively from around week 4 onwards
09:50 < FilmBoy849294[m]> It just doesnt seem to work on Digital Dist, despite the files being updated
09:50 < smoke_th3764[m]> so, uh, what does it do when you get chem pistols? just gives up?
09:50 < FilmBoy849294[m]> No, it uses boomeroids against me to jump them around corners
09:50 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Boomeroids are my weakness on most games once the AI learns i struggle to counter them in RT mode
09:50 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Just endless boomeroid spam with the aliens running away
09:51 < smoke_th3764[m]> you think digital release is made out of one of the cracks and self-learning feature activated after you throw in serial number, does installation ask for it?
09:52 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Apoc never had a CD-Key, but it did have a CD-Check, if the disc is removed from the drive at any time in play, sooner or later it throws up a "please insert disc" message
09:52 < FilmBoy849294[m]> The problem with digital dist is likely to be to do with the DOSBox Emulation and mounting of a virtual CD
09:53 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Thats the only logical conclusion as to why everything APPEARS to be OK code-wise, the files are updated, but the AI doesn't actually learn from player game-style on digital dist releases
09:54 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Skin did some checking of the code regarding cd-check but couldnt find any issues in the EXE
09:55 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Looking at the physical structure of the original CD though, it appears there is only one session on the disc, but the data track is on very specific sectors of the disc
09:55 < FilmBoy849294[m]> This cannot easily be emulated
09:55 < FilmBoy849294[m]> So further backs the problem being CD-ROM emulation
09:56 < smoke_th3764[m]> it's not in-exe issue. if that's the type of crack i think it is, and knowing that it's post 1990 release (post boom of crack groups - check guru larry's developer rants hidden in code videos) - copy protection must include more than just basic CD check, at the very least - one which is not transparent.
09:56 < smoke_th3764[m]> Alternatively - the crack might've been directly tied with intelligence check - Check CD > OK > Update Intelligence files, and cracker might've fucked the procedure.
09:56 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Julian can't really help us with that sadly as copy-protection was Microprose not Mythos... and the relationship was famously strained
09:57 < smoke_th3764[m]> You gonna need to track down core developers which were left in the company
09:57 < smoke_th3764[m]> *edit:* ~~You gonna need to track down core developers which were left in the company~~ -> You gonna need to track down core developers which were left in the company and prepared final release
09:57 < smoke_th3764[m]> additionally - get file access watchdogs and check whenever cd check correlates with Ai update routines.
09:58 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Ha, it's now Take2 and sadly they really don't want to give out any technical info on their IP
09:58 < FilmBoy849294[m]> We'll keep trying though; luckily most of the devs were UK based, so providing they haven't passed away i should be able to track them down
09:58 < smoke_th3764[m]> if that's the case - this would be one hell of a marketing boon "unlike official digital releases on gog/steam our version is not half-cracked monstrocity, and it does feature self-learning AI"
09:59 < FilmBoy849294[m]> In either case, for open apoc it doesnt really matter, we know the files, we know how the AI was meant to work, it's just the long process of actually making the AI work and exhibit all of the vanilla and cut beta behaviours
09:59 < FilmBoy849294[m]> I agree though, a Digital Release without a nerfed AI would be a boon
09:59 < smoke_th3764[m]> speaking of which. are we getting properly working mindshields?
10:00 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Heh, i would imagine someone will pick them up in time; though for the aliens they were never meant to be much use. The gollops didnt want psi to rule supreme for the apoc aliens
10:00 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Mindshields were best suited for dealing with organisations and hiding agents from their VIP targets in the cut spy/espionage features
10:03 < smoke_th3764[m]> The way i see it - not to the corporate warfare, but i want to see more lasersquad in my apocalypse. At the very least alliance tech sharing marsec doing biological experiments on aliens (after researching micronids) and making new types of hybrids. :V
10:06 < smoke_th3764[m]> tho that is a mod territory
10:08 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Agreed, there's a lot of room for mods in OpenApoc potentially, i know a ShadowRun mod has been often passed around as a concept
10:08 < FilmBoy849294[m]> But working on expanding psi for organisations as well as alien types and hybrids is something i would love to see
10:10 < smoke_th3764[m]> shouldn't be too hard.
10:10 < smoke_th3764[m]> we have psi agents, meaning human pawn can have psionics.
10:10 < smoke_th3764[m]> the rest would be just a matter of balancing
10:27 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Exactly; it should be interesting once we get all the bugs whacked and vanilla features in to see what modders can come up with
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16:09 < CplBurdenR329413> Personally I liked Afterlight. UFo Aftermath had a better setting, and I think out of the entire series, Aftershock was the best, but they were all very playable
16:09 < Ankor7051[m]> yep its good game
17:57 < Solbu> My personally favourite is Apocalypse. Havent played it in quite a while. I remember I often had a strategy of positioning the groups in strategic places, and just waited for the aliens to come to me.
18:05 < JonnyH> Yeah, camping a bottneck and waiting was the win switch in apoc
18:20 < Ankor7051[m]> what can be other tactics?)
18:20 < Ankor7051[m]> blow roof and start from top.... blow wall ...
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18:50 < Solbu> Ankor7051[m]: That was my strategy in X-com 1/Ufo when I had access to Blaster launcher and flying suit.
18:51 < JonnyH> As soon as you get psi - half the team get psi amps and chain-psi the whole map :P
18:51 < Solbu> Hehe
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05:21 < smoke_th3764[m]> So after player afterlight i recall exactly why it's disliked. Tedium. Because research tree is so goddamn vast but there is nothing to do with it. It boils down to REALLY small amount of maps. there is like 5-6 of them tops. 10 if you count capture encounters but even then it's 2-3 per enemy facility type. This is.....just plain boring. With such a huge tech tree the sheer amount of time spent on same maps really
05:21 < smoke_th3764[m]> starts to grind. If it had more maps, at the very least x-com like procedural - it would've been much more tolerable. But no. On top of that the map dynamics are complete shit. "oh we can attack new territory". "oh our territory has been invaded". Over. And over. AND OVER.
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05:35 < smoke_th3764[m]> So no, map as setting is still viable. it's the dynamics of the game themselves - those are fucked. Liek - the whole strength of x-com is that you don't need to always be on your toes and rabidly shake around your territory - you can kick back while you waiting for progress.
05:35 < smoke_th3764[m]> I think just adding automated defences with a chance to repel attack depending on power of defenses, with autobattle to the territory in afterlight solved that
05:35 < smoke_th3764[m]> *mars
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13:44 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Looking good smoke_th 😊
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11:32 < smoke_th3764[m]> Oh! This kinda fixed it. http://www.strategycore.co.uk/files/less-aggressive-factions-ufo-afterlight/
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07:54 < smoke_th3764[m]> after playing afterlight a bit more and trying not to abuse cheats, so far i see that the most efficient strategy is 100% reverse from apocalypse. you don't hunker down and wait - you keep pressure red hot, abuse explosives and stuns, pretty much playing suppressor rather than protector
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09:14 < smoke_th3764[m]> except this map. fuck this map and the retard who designed it.
09:14  * smoke_th3764[m] uploaded an image: unknown.png (2477KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/t2bot.io/ba2edeef5893b7bdff0e839c580c336e >
10:17 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Yep, that was always a ballache �
10:18 < FilmBoy849294[m]> May be best to move afterlight discussion to #offtopic so the IRC bridge stays clear for development btw
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18:13 < Ankor7051[m]> naa this is irc channel  Jonny love all  of that )
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01:58 < mlhess> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
01:58 < mlhess> I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
01:58 < mlhess> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
01:58 < mlhess> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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02:34 < dfgg8> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
02:34 < dfgg8> I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
02:34 < dfgg8> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
02:34 < dfgg8> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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02:40 < klx``19> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
02:40 < klx``19> I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
02:40 < klx``19> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
02:40 < klx``19> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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02:50 < thomas29> I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
02:50 < thomas29> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
02:50 < thomas29> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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02:55 < Ankor7051[m]> u retarded or bot?)
02:57 < SupSuper> bots
03:06 -!- mode/#OpenApoc [+o JonnyH] by ChanServ
03:06 -!- mode/#OpenApoc [+p] by JonnyH
03:06 -!- mode/#OpenApoc [-o JonnyH] by ChanServ
03:08 < JonnyH> *Hopefully* that has set this channel as 'private', so doesn't show up in lists that the bots use
03:08 < JonnyH> but still can be joned if you know the name...
03:11 -!- mode/#OpenApoc [+s] by ChanServ
03:17 < SupSuper> how does that work?
03:18 < JonnyH> set the s & p flags
03:18 < JonnyH> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/channelmodes
03:18 < JonnyH> if you have chanserv and are registered: /msg chanserv set #openapoc mlock +ps
03:20 -!- mode/#OpenApoc [-p] by ChanServ
03:20 < JonnyH> actually don't think p is needed...
03:21 < SupSuper> just have to remember to turn that off tomorrow
03:21 < SupSuper> i'm sure someone will report a bug :p
03:22 < JonnyH> Does anyone actually find #openxcom from the global freenode lists?
03:22 < JonnyH> Or directly get the name from the forum or use the discord bridge?
03:22 < SupSuper> *shrug*
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03:26 < apollojustice10> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
03:26 < apollojustice10> I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
03:26 < apollojustice10> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
03:26 < apollojustice10> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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03:27 < SupSuper> JonnyH: well so much for that :p
03:28 < JonnyH> Eh, might still be in their scraped list
03:28 < JonnyH> Another channel (where that's been set forever) hasn't seen anything
03:29 < JonnyH> if you want to go nuclear, setting 'r', so nickserv-registered users only would be one way
03:29 < JonnyH> but not sure if the discord bridge would cope...
03:30 < SupSuper> yeah that's not worth it, it would kill everyone that just shows up randomly via webchat
03:30 < SupSuper> unless you really wanna kill irc and switch everyone to discord :p
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03:50 < FrozenFox3> I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
03:50 < FrozenFox3> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
03:50 < FrozenFox3> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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17:58 < jtrhamilton3092[> beep boop
17:58 < jtrhamilton3092[> guess that means the discord bridge isn't registered on irc
17:59 < jtrhamilton3092[> SupSuper: So that suggests that +r is a decent option?
17:59 < jtrhamilton3092[> Or is the ircweb a big enough user?
18:00 < SupSuper6860[m]> it is, but it seems to have stopped working anyways, they might've turned it off due to the spam
18:00 < SupSuper6860[m]> the bridge i mean. in any case i just followed suit with other channels and used +k
18:01 < SupSuper6860[m]> not like our irc is very active so 😛
18:01 < JonnyH> what's the pw?
18:01 < SupSuper> openxcom :p
19:04  * StarvingPoet7348 sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/DhKWJuOCIwXuMCaswOyvSMoL >
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20:43 < FilmBoy849294[m]> OK @Developers that post by the bot looks ominous
20:44 < JonnyH> ?
20:50 < SupSuper> "@freenode_Pawlac:matrix.org left the room on Matrix." i think that just means someone connected over matrix :p
20:50 < SupSuper> rather than over discord
20:52 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Cool still got your message from IRC so thanks for allieviating concern... I was worried it meant that matrix.org had gone down...
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14:15 < Mechasaurian[m]> spooky
14:15 < Mechasaurian[m]> spooky
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21:33 < Lightkey> skeletons
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19:42 -!- Irssi: #OpenApoc: Total of 105 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 105 normal]
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13:20 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Any idea what changed on the 6th of August for us to be getting these constant kicks and posts from the bridge???
13:20 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Nothing like it was happening before the 6th
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16:32 < JonnyH> Are they actually 'kick' messageS? Or just badly named leave/join references?
16:33 < JonnyH> they might have added that to the bridge - as they're normal in irc itself
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22:30 < FilmBoy849294[m]> @JonnyH (IRC)#0000 they're coming up as kicks, but you're right, maybe the bridge has started to pass leave/join across...
22:31 < FilmBoy849294[m]> Here's a sample of discord side...
22:31 < FilmBoy849294[m]> @appservice-irc:matrix.org kicked @_discord_229266466568929280:t2bot.io from the room on Matrix.
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02:28 < SupSuper> yeah seems to be a bug in the bridge, sadly development doesn't seem super active
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18:11 < JonnyH> Well, I guess that means the spam attach is still going :/
18:12 < JonnyH> Interesting they seem to have made a list of channels some time ago - one channel I'm in hasn't been hit, without requiring register or password
18:12 < JonnyH> but has been 'secret' for ages
18:13 < JonnyH> ^^ FYI you probably don't want to open any of those links :P
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11:45 < Solbu> I'm trying to compile openapoc on mageia, and I can't figure out what is missing. «[ 75%] Linking CXX executable bin/OpenApoc <new line> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++fs»
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17:55 < JonnyH> Solbu: What gcc are you using? I think you need at least 5.something
17:56 < JonnyH> and you need to change toat to -lc++fs if you're using libc++ (instead of the libstdc++ shipped with gcc)
17:58 < JonnyH> or you can use boost::filesystem by setting "USE_EXPERIMENTAL_FILESYSTEM" to false in the cmake config
17:59 < JonnyH> I don't /think/ there's a way of getting cmake to tell us which c++ library we're using automatically, unfortunately
18:31 < Solbu> JonnyH: rpm -q gcc
18:31 < Solbu> gcc-5.5.0-1.mga6
18:31 < JonnyH> so does that have a libstdc++fs.so in that package?
18:32 < Solbu> Ahh, that is the pice I'm missing, the filename it's looking for. Cheking.
18:32 < JonnyH> TBH that's a pretty old compiler now, it's not being regularly tested so this may not be the only issue
18:32 < Solbu> That may be so, but it's the one shipped in the latest Mageia version.
18:33 < JonnyH> It may be worth updating your distro
18:34 < JonnyH> I've been looking at moving *up* the c++ version requirements, not down
18:34 < Solbu> Maybe I was unclear I _am_ running the latest distro.
18:34 < Solbu> *distro version
18:34 < JonnyH> I mean a distro not shipping old packages
18:35 < Solbu> And no, THe latest Mageia stable doesnt have that so-file.
18:36 < JonnyH> Oh, so they've broken their gcc package - that was definiately shipped with gcc 5.4
18:36 < JonnyH> maybe they split it out into a different package?
18:37 < Solbu> Uhm, I mean a file search in all available mageia packages, not a single one have that file in their packages.
18:37 < JonnyH> or did they ship static only (libstdc++fs.a)
18:38 < Solbu> Aha.. that file exist.
18:39 < Solbu> I plan to have a PR on the compile howto, for Mageia/Mandriva based distros, on which packages to install to amke it work.
18:39 < JonnyH> weird, then it should be able to pick up that file and link...
18:40 < JonnyH> What's the linker paths?
18:40 < Solbu> JonnyH: When I install the package having it, it should yes. :_)
18:40 < JonnyH> Oh, so the package was missing :)
18:41 < JonnyH> so they split out the 'experimental' filesystem library package?
18:41 < Solbu> yes it was missing, and I needed to figure out what package was missing.
18:42 < Solbu> Now it looks better: 100%..
18:43 < JonnyH> cool.
18:49 < JonnyH> It's been pretty quiet the last couple of months - I keep failing to get any time to work on this :P
18:49 < JonnyH> other projects, work, time spend not sitting in front of a computer... :P
18:55 < Solbu> And that package was the missing piece. The build completed, and I got a launch menu.
18:56 < JonnyH> cool
18:56 < JonnyH> expect it to crash, there's lots missing :P
18:57 < JonnyH> it's /probably/ not worth filing bugs as such, as we know stuff is missing :P
18:57 < JonnyH> But if you feel like breaking out the code editor and giving us a hand... be my guest :P
18:58 < Solbu> That is a challenge. I don't know any programming language. :-)
18:58 < Solbu> But i am a packager for Mageia.
18:58 < JonnyH> Cool :)
18:58 < JonnyH> But be aware it's nowhere near ready for packaging yet
18:59 < Solbu> And I am the upstream maintainer for a few popular programs. heh.
18:59 < JonnyH> but it's nice to validate stuff actually works on different distros
18:59 < Solbu> Such as «grip» the old cd ripper.
19:00 < JonnyH> Is there any plan to update gcc or clang?
19:00 < JonnyH> There were some c++14/17 features I'm tempted to use...
19:00 < Solbu> THere isn't any distro that upgrades gcc for a released stable distro.
19:01 < Solbu> So it should support whatever the latest stable distro's have.
19:01 < JonnyH> I tend to use rolling update distros anyway...
19:01 < JonnyH> but stuff like string_view, variant and optional would be cool
19:01 < JonnyH> but only in gcc 7.1+
19:02 < JonnyH> I kinda see it as 'development' time is fine to use new fancy features
19:02 < JonnyH> as by the time this is actually ready for users these things would be old and stable :P
19:04 < Solbu> The upcomming Mageia 7 will have gcc 8. Cauldron, the development version (our equivalent of debian sid) currently have gcc 8.2.1.
19:05 < Solbu> it's still a long way, it hasn't reach version freeze yet. :-)
19:09 < Solbu> JonnyH: Is there a roadmap or something that say anything about the goal of the project?
19:09 < Solbu> Like, is there a plan to, when the times comes sometime in the future, to replace the proprietary data files with Free ones?
19:10 < Solbu> Like openttd did.
19:16 < JonnyH> Not by me, I'm no artist
19:16 < JonnyH> this project is small enough not to have a plan - outside 'what is in the original apic'
19:16 < JonnyH> but it's certainly possible - we support png for example for sprites, which would hopefully make it easier for modern tools
19:18 < JonnyH> I'm also no game designer - which is why I'm not considering gameplay 'improvements' (as I don't /know/ what will improve stuff)
19:18 < JonnyH> outside of leaving the hooks in the code to make those changes possible for others
19:25 < Solbu> ufo and xcom apoc are my favourite games. I remember the realtime battlescape in apoc was easier than the turnbased ufo and tftd. I could position my troops in strategic locations and wait for the aliens to come to me.
19:29 < JonnyH> Yeah, apoc was certaily more 'game-able'
19:29 < JonnyH> you could cheese it to be pretty easy
19:29 < JonnyH> It's a good example of a game that was /nearly/ great
19:29 < Solbu> Yes, it was awesome.
19:31 < Solbu> It was Ufo: Alien Invasion (ufoai) that made me become a packager.
19:32 < Solbu> I remember I was exited when I found a game like the old ufo, that was Free Software and worked on GNU/Linux.
19:33 < Solbu> Then I notice that the distro I used back then, Mandriva 2010.2 had packaged an old version that haven't been working since at least 2005, heh. I said to one of the Mandriva project managers that i knew a little that they should update it.
19:33 < Solbu> He said that if I updated the spec file, he would push it.
19:34 < Solbu> So then i had to learn how to do that, and now I maintain some 50 packages fo rmageia.
19:39 < JonnyH> Feel free to open any PRs that make packaging easier here
19:39 < Solbu> Oh yea! openapoc runs on Mageia 6!
19:39 < Solbu> Is there a way o configure what resolution the game uses?
19:39 < Solbu> *to
19:42 < Solbu> JonnyH: Besides the comming PR, my only feature request is that when it becomes ready for packaging. (I'm guessing for when v1.0 is ready) is that it can compile without having the cd.iso. that way distros can package it, like openxcom does.
19:42 < Solbu> But I can understand the requirement during the alpha and beta phase. :-)
19:43 < JonnyH> Yeah, I don't want to 'copy' the data tables or some images, as that's gets weird wrt licenses
19:43 < JonnyH> but I could move that to a 'first run' step instead
19:44 < JonnyH> or an install step if you want the generated files tracked in the package manager
19:44 < Solbu> What I plan on doing for my own use, is to package the datafiles in a separate package, so it's available for all users.
19:44 < Solbu> i do that with openxcom.
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19:47 < Solbu> it could autodetect the datafiles in known places, and have it prompt the user for the datafiles or iso-file if it can't find it.
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21:32 < Solbu> JonnyH: And the PR is sendt. :-)
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21:21 < JonnyH> might be read only woth +r?
21:21 < JonnyH> ...or just not work at all :/
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23:24 < Lightkey> JonnyH: so you could -r
23:26 < JonnyH> can I?
23:27 < Lightkey> wait, let me check
23:27 < SupSuper> it's not like this place is thriving :p
23:28 < Lightkey> yes, you are the founder of the channel, I think you can
23:28 < JonnyH> I know I *can*
23:28 < Lightkey> :-P
23:28 < JonnyH> the question is would that then result in a flood of goatse?
23:28 < Lightkey> see #dragonbox-pyra
23:28 < Lightkey> I assumed you saw
23:29 < JonnyH> I haven't seen any announcement, and not here often enough to really be the canary if it reappears
23:30 < Lightkey> it's not like anyone besides the spammers know more
23:31 < JonnyH> I'm not on any channels that are -r at the moment
23:31 < Lightkey> you are in #dolphin-emu
23:31 < JonnyH> That's been +s  since before the spammers made their list, so wasn't affected
23:32 < Lightkey> I know :p
23:32 < Lightkey> but I mean.. I don't know what that would change
23:32 < JonnyH> I mean I'm going to be off in ~15 mins, so if I change it now and it does pop up again, who'd reset it again?
23:33 < Lightkey> you, when you get back? that holds true for any day in the future
23:34 < JonnyH> I'm normally 'on irc' if not active during my workday
23:35 < Lightkey> if you let fear dictate your actions, the terrorists have already won!
23:35 < Lightkey> wait, wrong movie..
23:35 < JonnyH> TBH registering shouldn't be too arduous anyway
23:36 < JonnyH> but I can set it tomorrow morning, and probably be around if it turned out to be a bad idea
23:42 < Lightkey> +q $~a let's unregistered users in at least, you can see if spam bots join, then
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20:09 < Lightkey> JonnyH: well, it held for exactly a day, how about you try it to see when it stops?
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20:38 < salvi> the discord bridge rip?
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21:02 < JonnyH> though from the last global message it may be the default for new connections is +R anyway
21:03 < JonnyH> so may not make a difference, and be why the spam attack has 'ended' :P
21:03 < JonnyH> But we can try...
21:11 < Lightkey> with "it held for exactly a day" I meant that it continued, though less frequently
21:11 < Lightkey> so I would still set +q $~a
21:12 < JonnyH> eh, not being able to talk if unregistered is probably an equivalent barrier to newbies
21:25 < Lightkey> obviously it is, difference being that you can point out in the topic what to do
21:25 < Lightkey> instead of just being told "you are banned"
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01:22 < SupSuper> huh: https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1696055855739350561
01:44 < JonnyH> yeah, proton looks interesting
01:45 < JonnyH> and it uses dxvk on top of moltenvk on macos
01:45 < JonnyH> so it's an interesting stack of dx->vulkan->metal
01:45 < JonnyH> Just need to add opengl using wine's d3d layer and that's... all the graphics APIs?
01:46 < SupSuper> i'm glad we moved to native layers just so we could avoid them :p
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01:59 < SupSuper> JonnyH: ping
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02:04 < JonnyH> guess I got an answer :P
02:04 < SupSuper> yup, that's a penis
02:04 < JonnyH> is it? I see a bird on a stick?
02:06 < SupSuper> https://i.imgur.com/tTc9cKQ.gif
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21:21 < Lightkey> JonnyH ;-)
21:22 < JonnyH> Isn't that what you said last time...
21:24 < Lightkey> I also said to use +q $~a instead but you won't listen :p
21:25 < Lightkey> it already stopped longer than the last time
21:25  * Lightkey knocks on wood
21:25 < JonnyH> I just don't see the functional difference - the sort of person who won't register to join wouldn't register to speak
21:28 < Lightkey> you are disregarding newbies
21:28 < JonnyH> to what? IRC?
21:28 < JonnyH> But if they're +q they can't ask for help anyway, they'll just think they're being ignored and quit
21:29 < JonnyH> and TBH all the 'newbies' are probably sitting in a random discord channel anyway
21:29 < JonnyH> wondering why they aren't getting any responses...
21:29 < Lightkey> not even necessarily IRC, I am on networks without services too
21:30 < JonnyH> freenode also still claims it's settings +R on any new connections anyway, not sure how correct that is still...
21:30 < JonnyH> but it still said that at connect MOTD time
21:32 < JonnyH> so they won't even be able to priv message for help
21:33 < Lightkey> yes, there is nothing stopping you from noting that in the topic as well
21:36 < Lightkey> what happened with the matrix users though?
21:37 < JonnyH> Presumably that doesn't cope with registration
21:37 < JonnyH> though it might just have gone down - it didn't come back when I removed +r either
21:37 < JonnyH> but not sure how often the bot rechecks stuff/reconnects/whatever
21:38 < JonnyH> TBH splitting the chat stuff was always a bad idea
21:38 < JonnyH> ..which is why I was against it, but meh, I don't "own" anything
21:39 < SupSuper> as someone who's on both sides i can tell you IRC is positively dead :p
21:39 < JonnyH> It's not a choice for me
21:40 < JonnyH> I can sit in irc at work
21:40 < JonnyH> where I spend 99% of my 'online' time
21:40 < JonnyH> but I have to play tunnel-vpn shenanigans to get discord to work
21:41 < Lightkey> it didn't look like +r caused it but in any case you could set +e $r:*!*@gateway/shell/matrix.org*
21:42 -!- mode/#OpenApoc [+o JonnyH] by ChanServ
21:43 <@JonnyH> might be set?
21:43 <@JonnyH> chanserv's mlock didn't like that string
21:43 < SupSuper> there's a list of possible solutions here: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/653
21:44 <@JonnyH> the docs don't seem to imply +e overrides +r though
21:44 < Lightkey> it definitely overrides +q thougb :p
21:44 < SupSuper> https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/End-user-FAQ#i-am-a-chanop-and-have-a-spam-problem-how-can-i-fix-it-without-affecting-matrix-users
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21:46 -!- mode/#OpenApoc [+q $~a] by JonnyH
21:48 -!- mode/#OpenApoc [-o JonnyH] by ChanServ
21:48 < JonnyH> might work *shrug*
21:48 < JonnyH> might need to reactivate matrix somehow?
21:49 < SupSuper> probably just need to wait a bit
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21:51 <+SupSuper[m]1> at least connecting via matrix manually works
21:51 < JonnyH> and I heard that SupSuper[m]1 
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21:52 <+SupSuper[m]> but did you hear this
21:52 < SupSuper> seems to check out
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21:53 < Lightkey> huh, I wonder what the $r: is needed for then, if it works without
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21:55 < JonnyH> no idea - doesn't seem necessary as ~a already is 'all non registered users'
21:55 < Lightkey> where does the auto-voice come from?
21:55 < JonnyH> maybe cargo cult copypasta?
21:55 < JonnyH> we don't use voiced as we don't have +m set?
21:56 < JonnyH> so it doesn't mean anything?
21:56 < Lightkey> oh, are the supers all identified?
21:58 < Lightkey> ah, you added voice to all matrix users, what for?
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21:59 < JonnyH> as the +v should override the +q?
22:00 < Lightkey> +e *!*@gateway/shell/matrix.org/* already does that
22:00 < JonnyH> I guess if anyone cares about the '+' in their nicks... meh
22:00 < Lightkey> or should anyway
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22:02 < JonnyH> have fun :)
22:02 <@Lightkey> please no..
22:02 < JonnyH> or just deop yourself via chanserv
22:03 <@Lightkey> it's just that setting +e is not shown in the channel, so I don't know if or what you set with it
22:03 < JonnyH> chanserv flags
22:04 < JonnyH> '/msg ChanServ flags #openapoc *!*@gateway/shell/matrix.org/* +V'
22:04 <@Lightkey> I know you did that
22:05 < JonnyH> I haven't set any +e
22:05 <@Lightkey> /msg ChanServ access #openapoc list
22:05 <@Lightkey> then do and revert voice
22:06 <@Lightkey> might be the same but that's just unnecessary noise
22:07 -!- mode/#OpenApoc [-vv SupSuper[m]1 SupSuper[m]] by ChanServ
22:07 < JonnyH> try matrix again?
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22:08 <@Lightkey> interesting, +e shows up in the access list..?
22:08 <@Lightkey> oh duh, because I'm op now
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22:09 < JonnyH> anyone on discord to test that?
22:10 < JonnyH> Or are you trying to say something and it getting killed?
22:10 <@Lightkey> SupSuper
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22:10 <@Lightkey> damnit, wasted a perfectly fine opportunity to say sup SupSuper?
22:11 <@SupSuper> seems you broke the bridge again. the users join but they can't say anything :p
22:11 <@SupSuper> i assume the voice was what was letting them talk
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22:12 -!- mode/#OpenApoc [+e *!*@gateway/shell/matrix.org/*] by JonnyH
22:12 < Ankor[m]> )
22:12 <@JonnyH> maybe chanserv flags don't work as I think they do?
22:13 <@SupSuper> possibly, the faq i linked has all the modes you could want laid out
22:13 <@Lightkey> it did look correct..
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22:13 < SupSuper[m]> seems to work now
22:13 < JonnyH> guess if this channel ever dies and needs to be recreated well use it.. but meh
22:14 < JonnyH> anyway, I do actually have to do some work this afternoon :P)
22:15 <@SupSuper> yeah you haven't ported openapoc to vulkan yet :P
22:16 <@Lightkey> wait, so what did you do for "JonnyH sets exempt on *!*@gateway/shell/matrix.org/*" just now?
22:16 < JonnyH> '/mode #openapoc +e *!*@gateway/shell/matrix.org/*'
22:16 <@Lightkey> that was different from the ChanServ flag
22:16 < JonnyH> IE not using chanserv but direct op priviliges
22:17 < JonnyH> BTW I removed auto-op, as I don't like hanging around as op myself, so it can be your choice
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22:19 <@Lightkey> goode
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22:21 < JonnyH> wonder if it's worth +e-ing the web gateway...
22:21 < Ankor[m]> im log in wich no registration but its dont want send somthing
22:22 < JonnyH> the matrix link (IE through discord) is specially exempt from the registration requirement
22:26 <@SupSuper> fwiw i'm taking notes and applying them to my channel :p
22:26 < Lightkey> all hail SupSuperOp, we are not worthy! we are scum!
22:26 -!- mode/#OpenApoc [-o SupSuper] by ChanServ
22:26 < Lightkey> aww :-D
22:28 < SupSuper> on #openxcom i banned all unregistered users except matrix gateway and freenode gateway users. that should restore the status quo :p
22:28 < SupSuper> anyone else is enough of a nerd to learn how to register
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22:30 < WebDude> I'm a webdude
22:30 < SupSuper> scary
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22:31 < Lightkey> oh
22:31 < JonnyH> I'm looking forward to the flood of new users...
22:31 < JonnyH> Any minute now... ;)
22:32  * Lightkey makes another note, having op rights is not enough to see +e messages
22:32 < Ankor[m]> lol
22:32 < JonnyH> You actually need to be op at the time to see changes IIRC
22:32 < Lightkey> actually have to be op at that moment
22:32 < JonnyH> as 'op rights' is just a bot built on top of irc, not irc itself
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22:39 < SupSuper> what is irc even :p
22:41 < Lightkey> Internet Relay Chat, duh!
22:42 < JonnyH> multiplayer notepad
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14:42 < mako_> Test
14:44 < SupSuper> tested
14:53 < mako_> yep heyall
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22:31 < makus> Hey Jonny here?
22:31 < JonnyH> hey
22:33 < makus> you cant see what i write you in pm?
22:34 < makus> there irc write that i need register or somthing for this
22:43 < JonnyH> yeah, unregistered connections on freenode can't use pms
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23:15 < makusss> fk nop
23:15 < makusss> ups
23:15 < JonnyH> no luck registering?
23:16 < makusss> i can use authentication form when log in in ?
23:16 < makusss> its not work this way only comand line?
23:16 < JonnyH> once you've registered a new account (by messaging NickServ - as described herehttps://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration)
23:17 < makusss> i dont get how to log inin
23:18 < makusss> ../connect chat.freenode.net 6667 mquin:uwhY8wgzWw22-zXs.M39p
23:18 < makusss> what is this
23:18 < JonnyH> no idea?
23:18 < JonnyH> you can 'login' when already connected
23:18 < JonnyH> by messaging chanserv
23:18 < JonnyH> nor chanserv, 'nickserv' :P
23:19 < JonnyH> with 'IDENTIFY {nick} {password}'
23:19 < JonnyH> e.g. "/msg NickServ IDENTIFY JonnyH MySuperSecretPassword"
23:22 < makusss> 2 nicknames?
23:22 < makusss> or first any nick and second that i register?
23:23 < makusss> coz its fail anyw
23:23 < JonnyH> Always use the same nickname - the one you were called when you first registered
23:24 < SupSuper> first time to register you use /msg NickServ REGISTER password youremail@example.com to register the nickname you're currently using
23:24 < makusss> ../msg makusss IDENTIFY makusss pass
23:24 < makusss> yes i do it
23:24 < JonnyH> so, you /msg "NickServ"
23:24 < makusss> done it*
23:24 < JonnyH> ../msg NickServ IDENTIFY makusss pass
23:25 < SupSuper> after you do that and confirm your email, you can just use an IDENTIFY command or put your details in the "authenticate" option in the web client
23:25 < JonnyH> When you logged in first you were called 'makus' not 'makusss' - if you registered with that you should use that name instead
23:25 < JonnyH> you can change your name with '/nick NewName"
23:25 < JonnyH> so maybe ../nick makus
23:26 < makusss> now i get it ty)
23:27 < JonnyH> It's not really made to be user friendly to people who don't already know how irc works :P
23:29 < makusss> ye need to write some guide)
23:29 < makusss> at forum
23:30 < SupSuper> well if you use an irc client you can just have it do the identify for you (that's what the "auth to services" in the web client does)
23:30 < SupSuper> it's just the first registering that's annoying
23:31 < SupSuper> clearly someone just needs to make irc oauth :p
23:31 < JonnyH> Once you're registered, you can use the webirc's interface to give your nic & password next time you login
23:31 < JonnyH> nick 'registration' is about reserving your name on a network as much as anything else
23:32 < JonnyH> how would that work with oauth over multiple domains? Each with conflicting names?
23:34 < SupSuper> works for matrix
23:34 < JonnyH> that's caus they have their own namespace
23:34 < JonnyH> like myname[m]_incrementing_integer_on_conflict
23:35 < JonnyH> it would work if the nick was the full user@domain.tld oauth uses too
23:35 < JonnyH> but then that'll be srsly ugly
23:35 < SupSuper> well at this point we just wanna prove we're not bots
23:35 < SupSuper> irc captcha?
23:36 < JonnyH> freenode could totally have some magic login hook that asks forr username/password, and creates it if necessary
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01:10 < makusss> hm there many createors at patreon that make mods
01:10 < makusss> so OA can be mod now)
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21:05 < SupSuper> i ended up just banning unregistered users on #openxcom, it's more confusing but at least you can set exceptions :P
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13:43 < Ankor[m]> dont think its cool) coz in few days i cant delete such amount
13:43 < Ankor[m]> *edit:* ~~dont think its cool) coz in few days i cant delete such amount~~ -> dont think its cool) coz in few days i cant delete such amount of spam
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21:54 < makusss> Hey Is it possible to remove option to message about join and out users from discord bridge?
21:54 < JonnyH> No, I think that's a matrix issue
21:54 < JonnyH> or at least a 'feature' :P
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21:56 < SupSuper> didn't you set up the bridge? :P
21:56 < SupSuper> i don't think it has any options, you can ask in their github
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22:01 < makusss> its supercode work
22:02 < makusss> he say that other man say that is WIP
22:02 < makusss> feature.
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16:39 < Filmboy84[m]> Ankor any idea if we can set up a moderation rule to automatically prune and remove all these join/leave/kick prompts from IRC so that they dont appear discord side?
16:41 < Ankor[m]> its q for superusercode )
16:42 < Filmboy84[m]> Many thanks, will await his response
16:42 < Filmboy84[m]> Im fairly hopeful that there will be a means to make the IRC bot remove them instead of publishing to discord
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17:17 < superusercode362> Filmboy84 The bot maintainers sya that they plan on doing it in the future, but you can't opt out of it for now
17:17  * superusercode362 uploaded an image: unknown.png (56KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/t2bot.io/1e769ac7bb1a5ebf44460d19481df371 >
17:21 < SupSuper> i honestly wonder if anyone actually uses the bot, it's so noisy to defy usability
17:34 < Filmboy84[m]> I kept a watch on IRC regularly until August the 6th when the shit storm of pings arrived discord side
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02:54 < SupSuper> JonnyH: do you know what version of boost we're using?
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17:30 < JonnyH> errm.. latest? Probably depends on the platform (whatever is installed, at least the nuget msvc integration uses 1.60
17:31 < JonnyH> the travis build stuff for linux is using a pretty old version of ubuntu now, so that's 1.54
17:31 < JonnyH> but that's getting a bit of a PITA to maintain, as the gcc/clang are pretty old too and I want to use new stuff :)
17:31 < JonnyH> so might try to fix that 'soon'
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23:11 < JonnyH> SupSuper: any reason you were asking about boost versions specifically?
23:12 < SupSuper> i was compiling openapoc with the latest boost and got an include error, and now i'm wondering if i fix it it'll break previous boosts, since nobody else has run into it
23:15 < JonnyH> what's the latest? 1.68?
23:15 < JonnyH> I think gentoo normally uses the latest, so my laptop should have that on?
23:15 < JonnyH> But I'll check when I get home (sometimes they pin it back - normally only when they find /real/ issues though - maybe include issues :)
23:15 < SupSuper> yeah 1.68
23:16 < JonnyH> the 'guaranteed tested' versions on the ci are 1.60 and 1.54 for win/linux
23:17 < JonnyH> as travis uses an ancient version of ubuntu (so 1.54)
23:17 < JonnyH> and I guess 1.60 was the latest when I last touched the msvc make files?
23:17 < JonnyH> my mac has 1.67 installed and that works fine
23:21 < SupSuper> specifically #include <boost/uuid/sha1.hpp> was moved to #include <boost/uuid/detail/sha1.hpp>
23:22 < SupSuper> it's possible older releases had both and they only removed the deprecated include now
23:22 < JonnyH> not surprising - the sha1.hpp has had a deprecated warning for a while
23:22 < JonnyH> saying we /should/ use the parent uuid one
23:22 < JonnyH> (and even then (ab)using the uuid sha1 api  probably isn't a great idea, not sure not "internal" it is)
23:23 < JonnyH> I kinda only did it to avoid /another/ dependency 
23:23 < JonnyH> but I guess importing a single c file isn't a big deal :P
23:24 < SupSuper> also uuid links to bcrypt on windows now, but depending on the build system it's not done automagically
23:24 < JonnyH> yeah, probably an idea to move away from that...
23:24 < JonnyH> TBH I'd love to remove /all/ of boost now
23:25 < SupSuper> now there's a big task :p
23:25 < JonnyH> pointless but large tasks are my forte
23:26 < SupSuper> isn't that how we got boost in the first place?
23:26 < JonnyH> probably - I think it was originally for the format & translation api
23:26 < JonnyH> then "we already have it, may as well use it" from then on
23:26 < JonnyH> we could use gettext directly on linux
23:27 < JonnyH> maybe windows too, but it didn't seem as well integrated into whatever repos they had around (nuget?)
23:28 < SupSuper> well should just use for vcpkg for everything going forward
23:28 < SupSuper> but we all know how much windows users love changing their workflow :)
23:28 < JonnyH> until vcpkg2 comes around
23:29 < SupSuper> we also used boost for options and filesystem and etc
23:29 < JonnyH> filesystem can be chucked if we force newer compilers
23:29 < JonnyH> like gcc 5 for experimental/filesystem, msvc 2015 or so for the same?
23:30 < JonnyH> We don't really care about the differences between the experimental and  'final' APIs
23:30 < JonnyH> program_options are useful, but there's a million-and-one single file/header libraries that do the same thing
23:30 < JonnyH> we already abstract it all away, it'll be relatively easy to tweak it
23:32 < JonnyH> utf conversion is pretty easy to handroll, or use a system version (codecvt was pulled into core c++)
23:32 < JonnyH> not sure how much of the locale stuff used in the date/time is actually needed, as the og game used a somewhat simplified calendar anyway
23:33 < JonnyH> it's not a lot of work, but certainly nonzero
23:33 < JonnyH> but the question is "is it worth /any/ effort?"
23:34 < JonnyH> but I'll probably replace the crc & sha impls anyway, they always were a hack calling into a somewhat internal 'not really there for users' api
23:34 < JonnyH> and it's not like the definitions of those are going to /change/ with lib updates :P
23:35 < SupSuper> here we go again :P
23:35 < SupSuper> looks like constexpr has been giving microsoft some headaches: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/releasenotes/vs2017-relnotes#15.8.4
23:35 < JonnyH> see? It's my kryptonite
23:36 < JonnyH> yeah, constexpr can be hard on compilers
23:36 < JonnyH> as it kinda /requires/ code execution at a relatively early pass
23:37 < JonnyH> I mean... M$ are dumb and cant even write a good compiler lolololol
23:38 < JonnyH> it generally feels like few people use msvc to play with new experimental stuff
23:38 < JonnyH> so tends to mean it gets battle-tested a bit later for newer features
23:39 < SupSuper> ironic since msvc is the only one that doesn't let you opt *out* of new features :p
23:39 < SupSuper> until c++14
23:40 < JonnyH> yeah, only recently adding even the option for that
23:40 < SupSuper> i guess their rule is "add an option if it breaks backcompat", and c++ is backcompat to a fault
23:40 < JonnyH> I guess gcc & co were ahead of the game, as they had to deal with different dialects for languages before c++
23:41 < JonnyH> so the frontend was always written with that assumption, and "if(version) new_feature()" there from the get go
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15:19 < Filmboy84[m]> @JonnyH or @developers
15:19 < Filmboy84[m]> Is anyone able to grant Lithuanian as a language on Transifex please?
15:19 < Filmboy84[m]> Justice for Codreano on Discord has offered to translate
15:19 < JusticeforCodrea> lithuanian and romanian
15:19 < JusticeforCodrea> lithuanian for slitchy
15:19 < JusticeforCodrea> romanian for me
17:23 < JonnyH> I somewhat see the language files currently as a proof of concept at best - I expect many (most?) strings to change and new stuff added, as things get fixed and implemented and actually tested
17:23 < JonnyH> but it might be a decent starting point at least...
17:23 < JonnyH> but the transifex files haven't been updated for a while anyway, so I probably need to do that first
17:23 < JonnyH> ...if I knew how :P
17:26 < SupSuper> i can tell you, but it'll cost ya :P
17:26 < JonnyH> considering /some/ strings are in xml data files, some in code, just collating them all is a PITA
17:26 < JonnyH> I should probably annotate 'translate-able' strings in the xml data somehow...
17:27 < SupSuper> i just did it by hand in openxcom so... yeah
17:28 < SupSuper> depends on your free time :P but if you need help using transifex let me know
17:29 < JonnyH> I think I originally used xgettext with the tr() function to extract strings from code
17:29 < JonnyH> I could script that easily enough
17:29 < JonnyH> but the problem will be the xml
17:30 < JonnyH> I also need to think of how to merge in translations for new strings (in mods etc.)
18:29 < SupSuper> you don't even have mods yet, baby steps :P
18:37 < JonnyH> stuff like the difficulty is loaded like a 'mod' - it just doesn't add any strings
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10:58 < Ankor7051[m]> @JonnyH Hey Jonny can u add also Filmboy to channel as admin? i cant do that
10:58 < Ankor7051[m]> so he can upload some vids
10:58 < Ankor7051[m]> to YT channel*
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15:30 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> Jonny?
15:30 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> im banned in IRC coz some black list
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18:06 < jtrhamilton[m]> Ankor You might need to register for freenode if you haven't
18:06  * jtrhamilton[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/HzDFwEWzqNGvagoGFKCdezuA >
18:09 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> [21:09] == You are banned from this server- You have a host listed in the DroneBL. For more information, visit http://dronebl.org/lookup?ip=134.249.156.3  Please contact proxyscan@freenode.net with questions. (2018/10/15 14.27)
18:10 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> *edit:* ~~[21:09] == You are banned from this server- You have a host listed in the DroneBL. For more information, visit http://dronebl.org/lookup?ip=134.249.156.3  Please contact proxyscan@freenode.net with questions. (2018/10/15 14.27)~~ -> [21:09] == You are banned from this server- You have a host listed in the DroneBL. For more information, visit http://dronebl.org/lookup?ip=1343  Please contact
18:10 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> proxyscan@freenode.net with questions. (2018/10/15 14.27)
18:13 < jtrhamilton[m]> Oof, that's freenode not me
18:13 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> ye its just
18:13 < jtrhamilton[m]> And that's likely because you had a virus that was spamming something
18:13 < jtrhamilton[m]> (or whoever had your host last - as some ISPs just give out randomly from a pool of IPs when connecting)
18:13 < jtrhamilton[m]> If you're sure you don't have any malware on any of your machines there should be a 'delisting' option on the dronebl.org website
18:13 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> beacose i want speal about YT rights for Filmboy
18:13 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> and also for FB page
18:13 < jtrhamilton[m]> Sure, I've been busy the last few days
18:13 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> so we post all at once in everywhere
18:14 < jtrhamilton[m]> Get Filmboy84 to email his google account to me (jtrhamilton@gmail.com) and I can add him to youtube
18:14 < jtrhamilton[m]> Though I'd still say don't do too much - don't make it look like we're ready to release when we aren't 😛
18:14 < jtrhamilton[m]> Save the big "media blitz" for then, we're searching for devs now not users
18:18 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> for find devs  about the project should know as many people as possible
18:18 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> So you mean by save big mdeia blitz  that we just stop post anything in next half year ?)
18:18 < jtrhamilton[m]> I don't want to "waste" people's first impression of the project though
18:18 < jtrhamilton[m]> I'm saying just make it clear it's "not ready yet" and "looking for devs"
18:18 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> like in prev half year?)
18:19 < jtrhamilton[m]> and of course stick to whatever local rules or conventions about spamming are 😛
18:19 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> well ppl can read
18:19 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> and we can add sign at YT page that in development
18:20 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> omg Jonny what spamming?
18:20 < JonnyH> Having a "in development" sticker over the logo or something might be nice :P
18:20 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> YT channel just death
18:20 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> like FB
18:21 < JonnyH> I'm not saying there was spamming, just make sure you don't go over the line in the future
18:21 < JonnyH> Keeping it "alive" may be difficult, as if people can't play yet they won't be sticking around for any real length of time
18:21 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> *edit:* ~~YT channel just death~~ -> YT channel just dead
18:22 < JonnyH> Marketing won't help that :P
18:23 < JonnyH> you might just have to accept it's slow going right now
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18:23 < JonnyH> but not "dead"... just sleeping
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18:24 < jtrhamilton[m]> hmm, discord irc bridge doesn't seem to be posting my comments here
18:24 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> if you are waiting for some high-quality videos that speak only about development, then you will have to wait a very long time
18:24 < jtrhamilton[m]> < JonnyH> Having a "in development" sticker over the logo or something might be nice 😛
18:24 < jtrhamilton[m]> < JonnyH> I'm not saying there was spamming, just make sure you don't go over the line in the future
18:24 < jtrhamilton[m]> < JonnyH> Keeping it "alive" may be difficult, as if people can't play yet they won't be sticking around for any real length of
18:24 < jtrhamilton[m]>                 time
18:24 < jtrhamilton[m]> < JonnyH> Marketing won't help that 😛
18:24 < jtrhamilton[m]> < JonnyH> you might just have to accept it's slow going right now
18:24 < jtrhamilton[m]> < JonnyH> but not "dead"... just sleeping
18:26 < jtrhamilton[m]> so yeah, we can't expect too much right now
18:26 < Filmboy84[m]> superusercode Are you able to ascertain what's going on with the IRC bridge?
18:36 < jtrhamilton[m]> I can see stuff from discord go to IRC, but not from IRC to discord
18:36 < jtrhamilton[m]> I can see stuff from discord go to IRC, but not from IRC to discord
18:36 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> Filmboy84 u write to Jonny ur mail?
18:36 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> Filmboy84 u write to Jonny ur mail?
18:36 < jtrhamilton[m]> I can see stuff from discord go to IRC, but not from IRC to discord
18:36 < Filmboy84[m]> I have, yes :)
18:36 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> Filmboy84 u write to Jonny ur mail?
18:36 < Filmboy84[m]> Deleted his address from discord thread to avoid spammers
18:36 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> Filmboy84 u write to Jonny ur mail?
18:36 < Filmboy84[m]> I have, yes :)
18:36 < Filmboy84[m]> Deleted his address from discord thread to avoid spammers
18:36 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> nice
18:36 < Filmboy84[m]> I have, yes :)
18:36 < Filmboy84[m]> Deleted his address from discord thread to avoid spammers
18:38 < jtrhamilton[m]> ...So the bot is working, it just takes it's sweet time? Or it was reset?
18:38 < jtrhamilton[m]> Filmboy84 That email is on the top of all my git commits anyway - I doubt leaving it here will do much more 😛
18:38 < Filmboy84[m]> Ah, fair enough :D
18:38 < Filmboy84[m]> Was being cautious
18:39 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> im Max Ankor in FB
18:39 < Filmboy84[m]> Ive made two commits to Git for review by the way if you have time to review
18:39 < Filmboy84[m]> Code adapted from Andrey's work which was sadly all done in one block
18:39 < Filmboy84[m]> So splitting it up to seperate commits
18:40 < jtrhamilton[m]> I've not seen much in the way of spam either, so I guess bots tend not to scrape that?
18:40 < jtrhamilton[m]> And TY for fixing up commits, I don't want to have 'bad' git history as it makes everything harder going forward
18:40 < jtrhamilton[m]> but then I kinda forget about it and then didn't have time to fix it up myself as the OG dev went quiet and didn't fix it themselves
18:40 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> Im Max Ankor in FB jtrhamilton  pls give me posting rights and Filmboy
18:41 < Filmboy84[m]> Yeah, ill keep working on splitting them up
18:41 < Filmboy84[m]> Seems to be easiest way for me to learn to code too 😃
18:43 < jtrhamilton[m]> I'll try to add you.. don't really use facebook 😛
18:43 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> and also changing style like avatar and background
18:43 < jtrhamilton[m]> But having a "weekly update" might be fun, with a quick "code is still changing, development is happening"
18:43 < jtrhamilton[m]> Maybe just a git summary, maybe more of a mini changelog (depending on what looks better)
18:43 < Filmboy84[m]> That's what im hoping to do with my let's play, move forwards one game day at a time
18:43 < jtrhamilton[m]> and give people the indication that it's still getting there
18:43 < Filmboy84[m]> Currently trying to fix the multiworm bug (it's game breaking)
18:43 < Filmboy84[m]> Then i can do the next video next week with news that something has been fixed
18:43 < jtrhamilton[m]> Huh, the facebook seems to have zero editors
18:43 < jtrhamilton[m]> I'm 100% sure I used to have /some/ other people on that... but they've disappeared?
18:44 < jtrhamilton[m]> Ankor should be added now
18:44 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> its will be when its ready so no regular posting )
18:45 < jtrhamilton[m]> I have the day off Wednesday, so hopefully I can catch up on the (lots of) github issue comments and have a look myself then
18:45 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> yes mail come
18:45 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> ty
18:46 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> and Filmmboy and also somebody else if u know some1
18:48 < jtrhamilton[m]> Anyone interested could probably PM me your name on discord
18:48 < jtrhamilton[m]> It might take a bit of time for me to add people, but it should get done eventually 😛
18:48 < jtrhamilton[m]> I added you as an 'editor' - I don't exactly know what the roles mean, but I think that lets you post and change stuff?
18:48 < jtrhamilton[m]> If you can't do something you want, let me know
18:49 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> Only admins can change Page roles. You can remove yourself from this Page, or ask another admin to update your role.
18:49 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> ye
18:56 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> Filmboy84 who u at FB?
18:56 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> say pls so jtrhamilton add u
18:56 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> its Jacob Deuchar  jtrhamilton
18:57 < Filmboy84[m]> https://www.facebook.com/jacob.deuchar/
18:57 < jtrhamilton[m]> should be added to fb and youtube
18:57 < Filmboy84[m]> TY 😃
18:58 < jtrhamilton[m]> Same thing with what I said to ankor - don't go crazy 😛
18:59 < jtrhamilton[m]> don't promise the world... yet 😄
19:00 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> \o/
19:00 < Filmboy84[m]> I won't, don't worry
19:00 < Filmboy84[m]> TBH, there's little point in me making videos without two or three changes to show off each one anyway
19:00 < jtrhamilton[m]> Like I hang around with some of the dolphin emulator guys
19:01 < jtrhamilton[m]> and I see their monthly updates as the "gold standard" of project communication
19:01 < jtrhamilton[m]> I'd prefer good monthly updates than bad weekly ones
19:01 < jtrhamilton[m]> If people really care, they can always see all changes directly on github
19:01 < Filmboy84[m]> Ill try and check them out
19:01 < Filmboy84[m]> Always willing to see what works for others
19:02 < jtrhamilton[m]> https://dolphin-emu.org/
19:02 < jtrhamilton[m]> See their progress reports
19:02 < jtrhamilton[m]> That takes quite a bit of work though - there's a couple of good people that "translate" dev-talk to normal-people
19:04 < Filmboy84[m]> Even better, you've just introduced me to a Wii emulator i was not aware of too 😄
19:04 < jtrhamilton[m]> It's pretty much *the* gamecube/wii emulator
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17:31 < JonnyH> Test?
17:31 < jtrhamilton[m]> Ankor Hey - I think the irc bridge might be off again?
17:31 < Filmboy84[m]> That's annoying
17:31 < Filmboy84[m]> Is this all down to Matrix still?
17:32 < jtrhamilton[m]> I didn't see ankor's message there
17:32 < jtrhamilton[m]> but I'm seeing this
17:32 < jtrhamilton[m]> it just seems flakey
17:33 < SupSuper> https://status.t2bot.io/ it is a mystery
17:39 < jtrhamilton[m]> well that eventually arrived...
17:39 < jtrhamilton[m]> makes conversation streams a little weird if it's that delayed
17:41 < jtrhamilton[m]> Anything I should look at? I have a couple of hours this afternoon
17:42 < Filmboy84[m]> There's a host of pull requests if you have time to review
17:42 < Filmboy84[m]> Mines a little bit of a mess, but it's all in separate commits
17:42 < Filmboy84[m]> Had some issues with formatting due to using the wrong clang format version, but Travis is now passing all checks thanks to help from Jari
17:43 < jtrhamilton[m]> Feel free to tag me in issues or as a reviewer if there's stuff you think I should look at first
17:43 < jtrhamilton[m]> Yeah, it's annoying clang-format changes slightly between versions, the CI uses 4.0 right now
17:43 < jtrhamilton[m]> as anything newer requires the CI machine replacing half the system image (as it's running a rather old ubuntu)
17:47  * Filmboy84[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/NdYvFKIKWzbbMntYarllmwuz >
17:47 < Filmboy84[m]> Issue 401 specifically
17:47 < jtrhamilton[m]> Coolio, I need to do some work for a bit then I'll be on that
17:48 < Filmboy84[m]> Much appreciated, thankyou
17:48 < jtrhamilton[m]> #401 is closed?
17:50 < Filmboy84[m]> Yes, all is resolved now
17:50 < Filmboy84[m]> ``&& u->owner == state.getPlayer(``
17:50 < Filmboy84[m]> Is added to the original patch
17:51  * Filmboy84[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/cuBfvFSLcmBndqftLrSWsSPA >
17:51 < Filmboy84[m]> Jari originally had the kneel and run applied to ALL units on the battlescape
17:52 < Filmboy84[m]> And multiworms cannot do either 😄
17:52 < jtrhamilton[m]> oh, so it was dereferencing it before checking it existed
17:53 < Filmboy84[m]> It's my bad for foolishly pushing jari's commit to master instead of my own branch for testing
17:53 < Filmboy84[m]> Was still getting used to this GitHub interface
17:53 < Filmboy84[m]> So when the fix came, i pushed that to master after reviewing
17:54 < JonnyH> Maybe see if we can  'load a save, run a turn, save' in a unit test or something
17:55 < Filmboy84[m]> That would probably be an idea
17:55 < Filmboy84[m]> Especially as it requires us to use TB mode (which tends to be the most problematic i find)
18:00 < jtrhamilton[m]> Ankor just reminded me we're still missing any kind of hotkey remapping (or general hotkey system at all)
18:01 < Filmboy84[m]> That's correct
18:01 < Filmboy84[m]> Given, some things, like manual vehicle control, have moved it would be nice to have options for remapping for those who dont like the new system
18:01 < jtrhamilton[m]> In fact there's lots of options that you might want to change that aren't hooked up to the UI...
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18:02 < jtrhamilton[m]> and I need to fixup the 'scale' system, for those  people who have higher dpi screens it's not the best right now 😃
18:03 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> J whats wich https://ci.appveyor.com/project/openapoc/openapoc ?
18:04 < Filmboy84[m]> There's a number of builds queued Ankor
18:04 < Filmboy84[m]> It's still waiting
18:04 < jtrhamilton[m]> Yeah, the appveyor build is slow
18:04 < Filmboy84[m]> Currently it's on FranciscoDA's work
18:05  * Filmboy84[m] uploaded an image: unknown.png (311KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/t2bot.io/63ed5ae6642930912683b6f389526589 >
18:05 < jtrhamilton[m]> It's why I removed win32 first time around, as taking 2x the time was a PITA
18:05 < jtrhamilton[m]> Or fix it up to do incremental builds
18:05 < jtrhamilton[m]> Or just set it up locally here...
18:05 < jtrhamilton[m]> I'm sure my threadripper 2 will be faster 😄
18:06 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> yye but  "an hour ago by FilmBoy84 " k
18:06 < Filmboy84[m]> Incremental would be nice
18:06 < Filmboy84[m]> Using appveyor for checking my work means i eliminate "me" setting up my compiler incorrectly
18:07 < Filmboy84[m]> *edit:* ~~Incremental would be nice
18:07 < Filmboy84[m]> Using appveyor for checking my work means i eliminate "me" setting up my compiler incorrectly~~ -> Incremental would be nice
18:07 < Filmboy84[m]> Using appveyor for checking my work means i eliminate the "me" factor of setting up my compiler incorrectly
18:07 < jtrhamilton[m]> Each build takes ~17 mins, times two for win32 and x64
18:08 < Filmboy84[m]> Actually, that's a good point Sup 😄
18:08 < jtrhamilton[m]> I like having my cake and eat it by using ccache or similar 😄
18:08 < jtrhamilton[m]> way more reliable than incremental, but still get much of the benefit
18:12 < jtrhamilton[m]> On some compilers it can, yes
18:13 < jtrhamilton[m]> like some undefined stuff may behave differently, or gcc sometimes can do more warnings with optimisations enabled (like better constprop/DCE may make it figure out more weird stuff)
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18:14 < jtrhamilton[m]> I find if you do that someone will put in a bad ASSERT() or something else that changes on #ifndef NDEBUG
18:15 < JonnyH> but that's somewhat annoying at times, but not exactly the end of the world
18:21 < jtrhamilton[m]> Anyone know any good 'starting c++' tutorials for Ankor ?
18:21 < jtrhamilton[m]> I feel I have no idea how I actually *started* programming anymore...
18:25 < jtrhamilton[m]> that was before c++11 too 😛
18:25 < jtrhamilton[m]> I actually borrowed one of those "learn c++ in 21 days" books from the library ages ago
18:25  * Filmboy84[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/fGaDvsyKUnfvvBxQQubbkcac >
18:25 < jtrhamilton[m]> It gave you an ok overview of the syntax, so long as you did all the examples
18:26 < Jari[m]> Udemy has great course on basics of c++
18:26 < Filmboy84[m]> Full video list for Trevor is here
18:26 < Filmboy84[m]> https://www.youtube.com/user/TPayneExperience/videos
18:26 < Filmboy84[m]> Oooo, thanks Jari, will check that out too
18:26 < jtrhamilton[m]> but "learning c++" is more about common patterns and all the many different ways of doing the same thing, rather than just "learning the syntax"
18:27 < jtrhamilton[m]> I've never really looked at any video tutorials, I tend to prefer following at my own pace from a book (or text), but I guess YMMV
18:28 < jtrhamilton[m]> But you gotta walk before you can run, you can't even start learning that without knowing how to read the language 😛
18:28 < Jari[m]> In the beginning I found learning syntax from videos much more fun than from a book
18:29 < jtrhamilton[m]> Youtube wasn't a thing when I started (GET OFF MY LAWN)
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18:39 < Kammerer[m]> One of my colleagues says that it takes about 5 years to learn plain C and pretty much 13 years to learn C++. And he considers C as a rather simple programming language.
18:41 < jtrhamilton[m]> Eh, once you're beyond the "learn syntax" stage C and C++ are completely different
19:40 < Lightkey> oh, words
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15:13 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> Hey Jonny somthing wich github bot happens
15:15 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> maybe somthing change at githubside
15:38 < Jari[m]> Github was down today maybe because that?
15:42 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> oh anyway need check =]
16:04 < jtrhamilton[m]> You mean the discord -> github bot?
16:13 < M[OpenApoc]Makus> ye
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15:59 < TheSnide> hi, what's the minimal RAM requirement to build OpenApoc ? Seems that 2GiB isn't enough, even with "make -j1"
16:28 < SupSuper> TheSnide: probably a lot since it uses boost. see if this helps: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16371939/reduce-memory-usage-in-boost-build
17:17 < TheSnide> bah, i bumped the vm to 4Gi
17:18 < TheSnide> now i have an issue with a crc on the exe.
17:18 < TheSnide> looking closely it might be because it's a french localized CD
17:28 < SupSuper> i didn't even know we had crc checks
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20:16 < TheSnide> it seems to serve 2 purposes:
20:16 < TheSnide> * legal
20:17 < TheSnide> * be sure that the offset to extract things are good
20:20 < TheSnide> https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/issues/319
20:47 < JonnyH> TheSnide: mostly for the offset. The language strings are embedded in the .exe, so it's pretty likely different language CDs have different offsets for everything
20:50 < SupSuper> don't we have our own language strings now though?
20:50 < SupSuper> oh you mean the strings would offset everything else
20:50 < JonnyH> If you send me the .exes it's possible I could add that version to the offset tables, but it'l be quite a bit of work, and no sure how many people will be using the different localised versions...
20:51 < JonnyH> SupSuper: Yeah, I mean the string table for the OG .exe will be a different size, so everything after would be offset differently (and possibly even reordered, depending on how it was linked)
20:51 < SupSuper> honestly we should probably just cache that extracted data at some point. not like apoc is going anywhere, and once modding becomes a thing, you don't want a variable base data
20:52 < JonnyH> Yeah, generate it in the CI builds and package it up
20:52 < JonnyH> it's already optional to rebuild, so a new dev could just download the CI package for the data if needed
20:53 < JonnyH> Might be worth versioning it, like any time you modify the serialization code increment a number and store that at the top of the data
21:50 < TheSnide> JonnyH: can do that indeed. but i have to try with my GoG version. might be eaaier.
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18:49 < JonnyH> TheSnide: the gog version should work - one sight difficulty is that the path defaults to "cd.iso", while the gog version ships a .cue/.bin file pair
18:50 < JonnyH> So you need to set the cd path to the .cue file - or rename it to cd.iso ;)
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08:22 < TheSnide> JonnyH: the GoG version effectively works.
08:22 < TheSnide> .. and I "ls -n XCOM.cue cd.iso" for maximum lazyness.
08:24 < TheSnide> ... well /ln -s/ (without the typo) :-p
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20:33 < TheSnide> Now that the compiling is handled, do we have some figures at the requirements for the runtime?
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20:36 < JonnyH> performance requirements?
20:37 < JonnyH> currently it'll work on anything that supports GL2 (preferable GLES3 or above for more efficient renderer)
20:39 < JonnyH> and it worked at ~60fps on a 1.8ghz moorefield (android nexus player) when I tried a while back
20:39 < JonnyH> but the fast-forward modes hit perf limits pretty hard on that
20:39 < JonnyH> and that was at 1080p too
21:02 < TheSnide> nice... a segfault ;)
22:02 < JonnyH> does libunwind work there?
22:45 < TheSnide> well, no stacktrace was shown
22:46 < JonnyH> It'll only use libunwind if something LogError/LogWarning's
22:47 < JonnyH> we don't have a SEGV handler or anything, so we rely on the system debugger for that
22:47 < JonnyH> I was just wondering - it should use PkgConfig in cmake, but only ever tested it on linux
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10:00  * Filmboy84[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/AtLoBJwRHboepnVRdTbbYnUM >
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19:07 < jtrhamilton[m]> Filmboy84 Sure, I'll have a look this afternoon
19:07 < jtrhamilton[m]> Work has been keeping me busy 😄
19:07 < jtrhamilton[m]> as I have a month off soon-ish
19:08 < jtrhamilton[m]> I'll be back in the UK, but will take my laptop - it's possible I'll be sitting in my parent's house bored, and get more openapoc stuff done
19:09 < jtrhamilton[m]> Or might be too busy.. not sure yet (I have to wait around for the US embassy to put a visa in my passport - could take a couple of days, maybe weeks)
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05:59 < franciscoda> what is the purpose of #define BOOST_ALL_NO_LIB ?
06:02 < franciscoda> i'm trying to get the configfile implementation using variants working with the variant implementation in github.com/jonnyh/openapoc wip/optional-variant
06:03 < franciscoda> but it fails to compile due to symbols being redefined or something strange happening deep in the boost headers
06:04 < franciscoda> (included from boost program_options)
06:09 < franciscoda> nvm im just an idiot
06:11 < franciscoda> I was including the wrapper header as "library/compat/variant" instead of just <variant>
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19:00 < JonnyH> franciscoda: Otherwise it adds #pragma's that tries to link the prebuild versions of the boost libraries on windows
19:01 < JonnyH> but that doesn't work on linux, if the boost libs have slightly different names (like the debug/release versions), or any other of a thousand different things
19:01 < JonnyH> and as we use a source-based nuget boost package on windows it doesn't work :)
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19:21 < TheSnide> JonnyH: did you profile it lately?
19:22 < TheSnide> as it always is 100% cpu even when idlinh
19:22 < JonnyH> 'idle'? You mean paused?
19:22 < TheSnide> yup
19:23 < JonnyH> weird. Not here. Maybe the vsync/frame limiter is borked?
20:18 < TheSnide> https://framapic.org/QBkUbtzBAz35/yo1Dhn9V582U.png
20:18 < TheSnide> seems some serious vm overhaead
20:18 < JonnyH> huh, like 50% of that is handing page faults
20:18 < TheSnide> yup
20:19 < TheSnide> basic cityscape in pause
20:19 < JonnyH> might be some weird oversight (are we constantly mmap()/mummap()ing something?)
20:19 < JonnyH> Might be GPU driver overhead - can you get the tree view?
20:20 < TheSnide> i'll try ;)
20:20 < TheSnide> full disclosure:
20:20 < TheSnide> i'm running Linuc in vmware
20:21 < TheSnide> with 1 vCPU
20:21 < TheSnide> opengl is accelerated
20:21 < JonnyH> does the vmware gl wrapper expose ES3_compatibility?
20:22 < TheSnide> yes
20:22 < TheSnide> oh,
20:22 < TheSnide> for the compat, i have to check closely
20:23 < TheSnide> GL_ARB_ES3_compatibility
20:23 < TheSnide> (and ES2)
20:24 < JonnyH> we do thread some things (like the loading and video decoders and audio and  stuff) - not tested it on a single core, but more likely that'll cause hitches instead of base load
20:24 < TheSnide> I thought that a single core should be enough ;)
20:27 < JonnyH> It'll be more the realtime reaction for stuff like running out of audio buffers - linux probably has a low-enough scheduling overhead for threads but other times it may be less efficient than some kind of cooperative multithreading system
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08:27 < TheSnide> JonnyH: the VM fiddling comes from this loop https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/blob/master/game/ui/tileview/citytileview.cpp#L374
08:45 < TheSnide> actually, it looks like https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/blob/master/game/ui/tileview/citytileview.cpp#L377 is the offending line
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12:46 < franciscoda> what is the best way to add the library/compat include directory to the compiler flags under the msvc build?
12:46 < franciscoda> this appveyor build seems to be failing because of that: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/FranciscoDA/openapoc/build/job/ti0babtl3t6sb5m0
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18:32 < JonnyH> TheSnide: Really? That shouldn't be allocating /anything/ on the heap...
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18:37 < JonnyH> I'm kinds surprised it's not the Renderer::draw() :P
18:39 < JonnyH> Might be interesting to check that it's using the gles3_0 renderer not the GL2_0 one
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19:17 < jtrhamilton[m]> irc->discord bot seems to have died again
19:19 < jtrhamilton[m]> franciscoda: each of the projects should have it added to the include path
19:20 < jtrhamilton[m]> Not sure where that is in the msvc options, but we already do that for some dependencies/ (e.g. "$(SolutionDir)\dependencies\glm" is added to everything to use glm)
19:20 < jtrhamilton[m]> so if you see that I guess it's the right place
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20:45 < jtrhamilton[m]> TheSnide: Try building with -Og (in case it's not that line and it's been reordered/merged in the debug info), and maybe get a valgrind massif  trace if we thing it's excessively allocating
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03:05 < franciscoda> thx it did do the trick :P
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15:33 < TheSnide> JonnyH: where do i put that -Og ?
17:28 < JonnyH> in CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS, and set the CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE to 'debug'
17:28 < JonnyH> debug on it's own doesn't optimise, so kinda useless for performance analysis
17:29 < JonnyH> -Og enables some optimisations, but not ones that make debugging harder (but it's often /nearly/ the same speed as -O2, the default for "RelWithDebInfo"
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19:47 < TheSnide> relinking is enough, or should I fully recompile ,
19:47 < TheSnide> ?
19:47 < TheSnide> well, make does recompile on its own, so i guess it's sorted out
19:48 < JonnyH> recompile, optimisations and debug info are generated at compile time
19:48 < JonnyH> (Unless you use LTO, which just defers most of the work to linking time)
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20:05 < TheSnide> ok, building from scratch...
20:05 < JonnyH> just re-running make should rebuild everything - cmake should realise the cflags changing should cause a full rebuild anyway
20:06 < TheSnide> too late
20:06 < JonnyH> as in it'll be equivalent
20:21 < TheSnide> same place
20:22 < TheSnide> as if the process is constantly paging things in and out
20:22 < TheSnide> ... but it has still 50% free RAM
20:22 < JonnyH> depends on how malloc() is implemented it might mmap() and mummap() constantly
20:23 < JonnyH> and just the overhead of that, rather than paging as such
20:24 < TheSnide> interesting
20:25 < TheSnide> .... looking closely, it sortof matches, indeed
20:25 < JonnyH> does it call into malloc() on that line?
20:25 < TheSnide> map_page_range() and unmap_page_rage() are quite high
20:25 < TheSnide> nope
20:26 < JonnyH> Is that line the first stack frame of the backtrace you can see?
20:33 < TheSnide> i don't have a backtrace for now
20:33 < TheSnide> ... i'm quite limited in my option right now.
20:35 < JonnyH> Do you have anything fancy that might be messsing with the mm stuff? Like the baloon driver enabled?
20:35 < JonnyH> I haven't seen this myself, but not on a vm
20:35 < JonnyH> and what gpu drivers are you using?
20:35 < JonnyH> 'caus the nvidia one used to hook all kinds of weird stuff in the mm subsystem for 'optimisations'
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13:41 < TheSnide> JonnyH: I finally nailed it down
13:42 < TheSnide> it was constantly forking/execing /usr/bin/dbus-launch which isn't present on my machine
13:43 < TheSnide> When I installed https://github.com/steveschnepp/noop as /usr/bin/dbus-launch it immediatly reduced the CPU to 0% without any side effects
13:44 < TheSnide> and all the various mmaping was due to weird interactions between the forking COW and the real stuff
13:45 < TheSnide> ... now to the *why* it tries to run /usr/bin/dbus-launch in the first place, i didn't investigate, as I didn't find any reference to dbus in the OpenApoc codebase.
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15:09 < TheSnide> hmmm.. well, i lied. I didn't look corretly and it just hang
15:09 < TheSnide> so, CPU == 0 ;p
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17:53 < franciscoda> what is it trying to launch through dbus?
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18:25 < JonnyH> TheSnide: huh, weird. Maybe it wasn't actually openapoc? And just a kernel interrupt scheduled on the cpu that openapoc happened to be running on, and perf getting confused?
18:25 < JonnyH> afaict the only things that could interact with that are sdl input stuff (which should be at most once per frame in the input loop)
19:35 < TheSnide> seems sdl indeed https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/334624/d-bus-related-runtime-crash-when-trying-to-open-sdl2-window
19:35 < TheSnide> and once per frame doing some fork/exec isnt "lightweight" ;)
19:36 < JonnyH> I mean it's unlikely to be the like your profile suggested
19:37 < JonnyH> and fork/exec is srsly lightweight on linux
19:37 < JonnyH> but unnecessary, true
19:37 < JonnyH> and sdl /shouldn't/ be doing anything with dbus each frame, unless something has gone *terribly* wrong
19:38 < JonnyH> unless you get a new device hotplugged each frame
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20:24 < TheSnide> no, it only does "try to launch it" every frame
20:24 < TheSnide> but since it wasn't installed, well...
20:24 < TheSnide> it retries every frame.
20:25 < JonnyH> odd. Might be interesting to see what sdl call is causing that
20:25 < TheSnide> I installed it, and now it's pretty ok. There's still a lot of IPC going back and forth, but that's much more interesting
20:25 < JonnyH> Or if it's a bug in sdl report it (assuming it's not fixed in a newer version already)
20:25 < JonnyH> I got it working on a nexus player at 60fps showing the city
20:26 < TheSnide> to see that, just replace the dbus-launch by my noop.c
20:26 < JonnyH> in-battle may be a bit slower, but perf was ok for me
20:26 < TheSnide> nexus playe r?
20:26 < JonnyH> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_Player
20:27 < JonnyH> A pretty old intel atom, not exactly a speed machine :D
20:30 < TheSnide> well, my main lappy is N3350 based
20:31 < JonnyH> that *should* be faster in the cpu-department
20:31 < JonnyH> but no idea about the graphics
20:31 < JonnyH> The PowerVR stuff worked quiet well actually ;)
20:33 < JonnyH> but I did cheat
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20:49 < TheSnide> well, i have only the integrated gfx
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23:59 < SupSuper> JonnyH: this looks promising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Els11sY1A
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05:18 < GearBlade654[m]> Hello openapoc discord! Question for you guys, if you're interested?
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15:29 < TheSnide> SupSuper[m]: sweet ;-)
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20:23 < pmprog> JonnyH: Are you here?
20:32 < Filmboy84[m]> Wow! PMProg! Long time no see 👋
20:32 < Filmboy84[m]> Hope all is well
20:36 < pmprog> Indeed. Yeah, things are okay. How's things with you?
20:47  * Filmboy84[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/bjUeBwwYhQDSnqcVOZOXxtVX >
20:50 < pmprog> Yeah, might check out Discord. I don't use that very often either
20:51 < pmprog> Wow, apparently I still have Discord installed!
20:51 < Filmboy84[m]> No worries, just glad to see you on IRC
20:51 < Filmboy84[m]> Have you got any interesting projects on the go at the moment?
20:52 < Filmboy84[m]> 😄
20:53 < pmprog> I'm porting my old Allegro game framework (some of which you might still see in OpenApoc) to C#
20:53 < pmprog> and I've been writing an emulator for my own custom CPU and GPU (basically it's a fantasy computer, that I'll eventually turn into a real computer once I get my head around FPGA)
20:55 < Filmboy84[m]> Sounds intriguing, what's your main drive for designing the custom CPU/GPU?
21:00 < pmprog> A few reasons really...
21:02 < pmprog> I like the idea of having a machine I know and understand inside and out
21:02 < pmprog> It's a new skill to learn, even if it's just hobby-level
21:13 < pmprog> So what's the state of OpenApoc these days? It's been a looong time
21:13 < Filmboy84[m]> Definitely keep us updated as things progress
21:13 < Filmboy84[m]> Looking forwards to hearing of what you do with it as time goes forwards
21:18  * Filmboy84[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/FGkGKvVVrGCLyqyiQEUqWNYQ >
21:19  * Filmboy84[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/geDOheHXSSyMNTlEViLvetsm >
21:19 < pmprog> Wow, that's great that it's playable from start to finish
21:19  * Filmboy84[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/QXopesNFioOYrLWUNrILOVTk >
21:21 < pmprog> Bet I would recognise very little of the code these days. Even when JonnyH stepped in back in the day it started to go over my head
21:30 < pmprog> Heading off now. You might see me pop onto Discord every now and then. Take it easy
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21:36 < Filmboy84[m]> Jonny still very much is at the top when it comes to knowing the internals
21:36 < Filmboy84[m]> FranciscoDA recently added LUA support too
21:36 < Filmboy84[m]> If you ever get a chance to come back to us and try it out, we'd very much appreciate the input
21:36 < Filmboy84[m]> Have a good evening
21:36 < Filmboy84[m]> 👋
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03:05 < Roaces> Hello, anybody on?
03:07 < SupSuper> hey
03:08 < Roaces> I tried to join the forum, and it never sends the confirmation email, any ideas?
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04:23 < SupSuper[m]> makus any ideas?
04:31 < makus[m]> i think its beacose email domain
04:38 < makus[m]> its can be hotmail or yahoo...
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20:41 < Pawlac> Hello
21:03 < SupSuper> hey
21:13 < Pawlac> Is the release from 2017 still recommend for playing? I tried the windows under wine because I'm a lazy bastard and it kind of worked, however it had 2 major bugs that I encountered doing so.  One was a issue with the buffer character overflow with german locale as I fiddled around the squad equipment and it seems to happen again with english locale
21:15 < Pawlac> so I tried to compile the 2017 version instead under linux and it fails to compile it properly due to a missing makefile for physfs
21:20 < Pawlac> yeah installing libxml2-utils fixed the cmake configuration issue which the readme file failed to mention
21:32 < SupSuper> i think everyone always uses the latest source
21:32 < SupSuper> the windows builds are made from the latest git so if you find a bug you should probably report it
21:35 < Pawlac> alright then, I am already at compiling the latest (master) version now.
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16:45 < Pawlac> thanks for all the work you guys have made, now I can finally hunt down hostile cars with the APC.
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10:23 < Pawlac> Is it normal that in cityscape missile and other projectiles are invisible? During the ufo fights in second week I have a hard time telling which units shoots who and ended up having 2-3 more orgs being unfriendly to me because pieces of buildings got hit which I don't know if its caused by my units or by the aliens.
10:24 < Pawlac> I was also using the slowest time play or however it is spelled correctly which didn't helped much.
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21:00 < Pawlac> Hello
22:14 < SupSuper> hey
22:24 < Pawlac> Is it normal that in city scape no missiles are visible?
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10:06 < Pawlac> hmmm did the 2017 tagged release had a support for drawing projectiles in cityscape? Probably my issue all the time was that I was using a savegame from this version instead of starting fresh with the newest git version.
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07:42 < Pawlac> Is there a way in OpenApoc to change the loading order from /data somehow? I'm trying to do some minor changes but it seems gamestate_common keeps replacing it, or do I need to write a script that merges the changes from other files back to gamestate_common?
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20:16 < JonnyH> Pawlac: currently there's only 2 paths: A "data" and "CD" - they are overlayed using physfs (IE the second overrides anything in the first)
20:17 < JonnyH> but we can easily add an arbitrary number of paths
20:17 < Pawlac> so I need to do changes to one of those physfs files to make my changes get loaded?
20:17 < JonnyH> but the GameState stuff is overlayed already - no need to merge, just load them in order at startup
20:18 < JonnyH> https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/blob/master/framework/framework.cpp#L462
20:18 < JonnyH> That's where the paths are currently setup
20:19 < JonnyH> Maybe create an 'enhancement' issue on github with a precise description of what you want and assign to me?
20:21 < Pawlac> Well the only changes I want is that OpenApoc uses my changes and overwrites the default one as in loading a mod file.
20:21 < JonnyH> Mod loading is intended to use the GameState overlays, not the filesystem overlays
20:22 < JonnyH> Then you only need to contain the parts of the gamestate you actually want to change
20:22 < JonnyH> rather than copy the whole base gamestate and modify what you want
20:22 < Pawlac> I pretty much did that, I tried to change a few values from the vehicle equipment but so far OpenApoc doesn't uses my changes at all
20:22 < JonnyH> but again, the frameworks of this is there, but not yet accessible (outside of code modification :)
20:24 < Pawlac> I have made a folder and a zipfile, I tried to do a few guesses regarding the filenames but no luck either, I noticed while digging through the source files there is a few hardcoded values for gamestate_common and the 5 patch files
20:24 < JonnyH> Adding a new state->loadGame("my/new/mod"); here: https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/blob/master/game/ui/general/difficultymenu.cpp#L33
20:24 < JonnyH> /should/ work
20:24 < JonnyH> after the other loadGames - otherwise they'll override your changes :)
20:26 < JonnyH> You can also use the serailization_tool to merge 2 gamestate dirs/zips to one
20:43 < Pawlac> well it does seem to load my file now after I changed the difficultymenu.ccp which is placed at last row, still it doesn't apply my changes at all on new game
20:45 < Pawlac> "I 4082715231 virtual bool OpenApoc::ProviderWithChecksum::openArchive(const OpenApoc::UString&, bool): Missing manifest file in "./data/testmod_common""
20:47 < JonnyH> Is it a zip? 
20:47 < JonnyH> If it's a directory you need a manifest
20:47 < Pawlac> yeah its a zip file but the gamestate_common doesn't have a manifest file
20:51 < JonnyH> That message is normal - it's effectively saying "Can't find a manifest, so going to try opening it as a zip file instead"
20:52 < JonnyH> If you then get "Failed to init zip file "path/to/mod"" for reading" then it failed to load the mod at all
20:53 < JonnyH> "I" at the beginning of the log line means it's Info-only - so likely not a real problem - then "W" for warning and "E" for error
20:58 < Pawlac> it seems to be able to load my zip file fine
20:58 < Pawlac> "I 4846197779 static OpenApoc::up<OpenApoc::SerializationArchive> OpenApoc::SerializationArchive::readArchive(const OpenApoc::UString&): Opened archive "./data/testmod_common"
20:58 < Pawlac> I 4846212999 virtual bool OpenApoc::ZipDataProvider::readDocument(const OpenApoc::UString&, OpenApoc::UString&): Reading 165 bytes for file "gamestate.xml" in zip "./data/testmod_common"
20:58 < Pawlac> I 4848828823 virtual OpenApoc::SerializationNode* OpenApoc::XMLSerializationArchive::getRoot(const OpenApoc::UString&, const OpenApoc::UString&): Parsed "gamestate.xml""
20:58 < Pawlac> I can't even upload the full log to pastebin its too big for that
20:59 < JonnyH> Yeah, that read the mod
20:59 < JonnyH> Make sure you have the links setup
21:02 < JonnyH> So maybe I should get off my arse and actually setup some mod UI
21:03 < JonnyH> It's not been a priority as if the data format is changing there's no real reason to have anyone trying to put mods together
21:03 < JonnyH> but I think it's mostly stable now
21:03 < Pawlac> ah didn't know before github lets me upload "snippets", well here it is: https://gist.github.com/JohnSmith25/fa384e9d305b861a3eb6b39d9a738902
21:04 < Pawlac> A simple commandline should do the trick, which I think one of those test file has it which made me wonder before if there was actually a commandline for it
21:05 < Pawlac> but I couldn't figure out yet the "switch" for the test file
21:07 < JonnyH> Im at work now, will try to have a look later
21:07 < Pawlac> alright
21:28 < Pawlac> hmm looks like I do need to generate the CRC checksum then, because I made the mistake that I copied the gamestate_common stuff at extract-data-dir which cause the compiler to dump XML files into my mod and when starting a new game I had a duplicate set of vehicles
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22:02 < franciscoda> @pawlac: You can try calling OpenApoc.GameState.loadGame('path') from Lua
22:05 < Pawlac> thanks for the hint, I am about trying to write a bash script for XML checksum generator
22:08 < JonnyH> Extending the serialziation_tool makes sense
22:29 < Pawlac> so that it accepts a user defined input?
22:48 < JonnyH> so it can read serialization packages without checksums etc. and when it writes it out it'll add them
22:58 < Pawlac> that would be useful, because bash is limited to linux/unix only and I'd would have to make a python version of it too to make it multi-platform
22:59 < JonnyH> *screams in mingw"
22:59 < JonnyH> Also WSL or just the normal posix layer... all should work with bash
22:59 < SupSuper> JonnyH: how dare you bring that heresy into this house
23:00 < JonnyH> #!/bin/sh echo "Screw you"
23:02 < Pawlac> that would be limited to Windows 10+ users only, older users would be left behind.
23:03 < JonnyH> MS have claimed that windows has been "posix compatible" since NT
23:05 < SupSuper> yeah but nobody else has :p
23:06 < JonnyH> But they sold $millions to government contracts because of that! they wouldn't just /bend/ the truth, right?
23:09 < Pawlac> Of course, Steve Ballmer also mentioned developers a lot. That means they really do everything in their power to make sure that any programmers feels just right at home with their inbuilt house solutions to increase productivity.
23:09 < SupSuper> "The UCRT also implements a large subset of the POSIX.1 (ISO/IEC 9945-1:1996, the POSIX System Application Program Interface) C library, but is not fully conformant to any specific POSIX standard."
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09:02 < TheSnide> JonnyH: to be fair, NT *was* posix compatible. But then you had to waive using the win32 api. So in the real world noone did use that.
09:06 < TheSnide> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT_3.1#/media/File:NT_3.1_layers.png
09:07 < TheSnide> & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_POSIX_subsystem
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15:42 < Pawlac> Is it normal that OpenApoc fails to read XML files when it contains a comment line?
15:51 < Pawlac> hmm nevermind using <!--COMMENT--> fixes it, also I managed to write finally a crcsum to XML bash script which OpenApoc can load it just fine.
16:01 < Pawlac> Is there a way via lua scripts or something to force reload values? Right now when I load up a old savegame it keeps the old value and the changes are only visible on a new game
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18:37 < JonnyH> Pawlac: Saved games are a complete serialization of the whole game state, so are like serialization packages themselves
18:37 < JonnyH> so they're self contained, so to change the values you need to change the saved game .xml itself
18:39 < Pawlac> Alright thanks for the info, looks like I will have to write another bash at least this time it should be a tad easier I think.
18:40 < JonnyH> There's code in game to only serialize out things that "changed" compared to a golden reference, which is /planned/ to be used for saved games....
18:40 < JonnyH> but as yet not hooked up - as there's no mod 'reference' or similar yet
18:41 < JonnyH> so for devugging completely self contained states make sense for me :)
18:41 < JonnyH> Opened an issue about the tools you find helpful yet?
18:41 < JonnyH> If they're useful for you they're probably useful for others too :P
18:43 < Pawlac> yes my tools are ready for release, I also documented as much as possible its probably a bit too verbose but better than no documentation I guess.
18:44 < JonnyH> A lot of this could be added to the serialization_tool (if not already possible but completely undocumented :) and shipped with openapoc itself
18:44 < JonnyH> and then we don't get people whining about bash too
18:44 < JonnyH> and using the same codebase makes sense so when something changes it'll stay in sync
18:45 < Pawlac> oh, well right now I just placed my bash at the /data folder, I would need to modify all 4 a bit so that it works in a different location
18:47 < Pawlac> >people whining about bash
18:47 < Pawlac> like the lack of it or something?
18:50 < JonnyH> no idea, apparently not all OSs ship with it by default or something. Weird.
18:52 < SupSuper> the name is kinda apropos :p
18:53 < JonnyH> True, though bash extensions are nice, you can't guarantee they're not using another compatible shell
18:54 < Pawlac> well the only "advanced" stuff I am using on bash is the alias, variables and a command to load variables from a text file so nothing too fancy
18:57 < JonnyH> As for reloading values, you might be able to load a save, then load the mod with changes /on top/ of that
18:57 < JonnyH> as the mod only (?) contains changed static values, that should replace them?
18:59 < Pawlac> so far its only changed values, but I am also about soon trying to add a new weapon. I tried to mod the Griffon so that it has another weapon equipment slot which the in-game UFOpaedia recognizes (2 weapon slot) but on the equipment menu itself it doesn't work at all
18:59 < Pawlac> filed a issue about it already
18:59 < JonnyH> new stuff should also work, as it'll replace the values with the same values, so no change...
19:00 < JonnyH> feel free to assign it to me
19:00 < JonnyH> I have a bit of time now, currently looking at the threaded renderer (hopefully solve crashes in the nvidia driver?)
19:01 < Pawlac> github won't let me change the asignee
19:02 < JonnyH> what's the issue #nr?
19:02 < Pawlac> 555
19:03 < JonnyH> Oh, the ground weapons - I thought you meant an issue for "handy modding tools ehancements" :P
19:03 < JonnyH> I'm not aware of any part of the code that treats ground vehicles any differently WRT weapons...
19:04 < Pawlac> yes it makes me wonder too because I can add new general equipment one but not for weapons and airplanes obviously have more than 1 weapon slot
19:04 < Pawlac> XML wise it is just another entry with different position and size values, so not even a ID or anything like that
19:05 < JonnyH> does it just not let you equip it?
19:05 < Pawlac> it doesn't show the grid at all
19:05 < Pawlac> modifying the first value works normally
19:06 < JonnyH> your xml is missing a separate <entry> node for the new weapon
19:06 < Pawlac> the log doesn't make a warning about it either, I looked at the source code a bit and so far I haven't seen anything specific for ground vehicles
19:07 < JonnyH> so openapoc sees them as the same "entry", and only loads the first of each sub nodes
19:08 < JonnyH> I guess we could warn about "unused" xml entries, might make debugging this sort of thing easier :P
19:08 < JonnyH> Or another tool - a mod 'validator' to check for stuff like that
19:11 < Pawlac> aw shug now this is embarrassing. Yeah the grid works now, I have to fiddle around with the position to see if it works normally or not
19:15 < JonnyH> No problem, add "unused value verification" to the mod tools request :P
19:16 < Pawlac> yep it works normal now, I will edit the issue now. Also to which location should my bash scripts be placed at?
19:16 < JonnyH> As it'll be (relatively) easy to load a mod and tell you if any tags were completely ignored, as that's unlikely to be intended and would catch issues exactly like this :P
19:16 < JonnyH> Under the tools/ directory makes sense?
19:16 < JonnyH> Maybe allow them to take an argument for the data directory?
19:16 < JonnyH> But we can make them fancier later :P
19:17 < Pawlac> well isn't this place reserved for source files only?
19:17 < JonnyH> scripts are source files? :P
19:19 < JonnyH> you could add them to the cmake project to copy them to the bin/ output folder too, if you want
19:19 < Pawlac> yeah but the difference is it is interpreted so it doesn't need compiling at all which made me wonder it should be placed into /build/tools/ instead
19:19 < JonnyH> I still think tools/, so what if the 'compiler' is a NOP
19:19 < JonnyH> they're certainly not data :P
19:20 < JonnyH> and we already have other scripts in there
19:21 < Pawlac> oh yeah I see 2 shell files, alright. Well for now I will release them as it and I will upload the updated ones when I have them ready
19:21 < JonnyH> Feel free to make a PR
19:21 < JonnyH> but don't be surprised if I put the 'same' functionality into a c++ tool or tweak them heavily before mergin :P
19:23 < Pawlac> alright
19:59 < Pawlac> I made a PR (#556) now.
20:26 < JonnyH> It should be possible to pretty-print and pack to a zip using the current serialization_tool
20:26 < JonnyH> e.g. "./serialization_tool path/to/input/directory --pretty --pack output.zip"
20:27 < JonnyH> ...And the delta option is currently not wired up - time to fix that I guess :P
20:33 < Pawlac> oh well yeah I didn't noticed it and making a small bash script was faster for me
20:34 < JonnyH> running tools with --help should work
20:36 < Pawlac> ok I will check those soon and taken notes what each of them do.
20:37 < JonnyH> I should add them all to the wiki or something
20:37 < JonnyH> Having an example "making a mod" flow would be good
20:37 < JonnyH> Esp. as it'll show what we're missing or is crazy hard
20:38 < Pawlac> I think the graphical assets will be the hardest part because its a bit unusual from other games
20:39 < Pawlac> the agent sprites for example are "chopped" into several pieces and merged at run time, the XML files from gamestate_common even when it is pp'ed is well not that pretty too look either, for example the voxelmaps and other such entrys are confusing to look at.
20:43 < Pawlac> yeah I am willing to edit the wiki pages because it is in dire need of information
20:47 < JonnyH> The first pass of the wiki might be more "What do we /want/ the flow to be like?" - then add the tools to make it easy :)
20:48 < JonnyH> but I started writing a qt-based editor - as we have a fair bit of metadata in the serialization generator and the types they use to make things more easy than "strings"
20:49 < JonnyH> like linking up images or references or 'special' interpretations like the voxel maps
20:49 < JonnyH> but like many things it was half-baked and never got usable, and enough since has changed to make rebasing it more work than just starting again :)
20:51 < Pawlac> For the wiki I think the layout should be made in a way that its easy to find the essential information (Project Status, Special Issues, Notes, Modding/Mapping, Tools) something like that. For the Project Status it would provide some information what needs to be done and what is finished already, Special Issues I am not sure if it warrants one for something like a major/critical bug I suppose that hasn't been fixed yet? Or better
20:51 < Pawlac> yet something that acts like a bug but it "isn't".
20:54 < Pawlac> bugs such as that the player can run a "stormdog/hover bike chop shop" in OpenApoc it is made easier, and the "lack" of enforced cargo space. And other such things gameplay related things
20:55 < JonnyH> I want 'bugs' like that to be implemented, but conditionally if possible :P
20:55 < JonnyH> I kinda want at least a mode with '100% OG apoc behaviour'
20:56 < Pawlac> I think a function that turns on/off the other options should be more than sufficient
20:57 < Pawlac> and my suggestion is that it should be placed into its own "group" so thats is easier to tell apart from other options as it has a different behavior (modifies other options)
21:02 < Pawlac> also I think I could work on a simple-ish graphical mod editor so that it hides some of the gritty details and lets the modder focus on the more important thing such as tweaking, balances and other such things. I am a bit familiar how tkinter works with python
21:12 < JonnyH> that's what the qt one I was putting together was for
21:13 < JonnyH> it just extended the serialziation generator to create widgets for each type :P
21:17 < Pawlac> hmm what languages does your qt tool use?
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21:18 < JonnyH> Filmboy84[m] sent a long message: ...
21:18 < JonnyH> ugh, irc->discord integration isn't great still :P
21:18 < SupSuper[m]> Filmboy84 just copy openxcom, oh wait that's a huge mess as well 😛
21:19 < JonnyH> The separation between 'mods' and 'options' gets a bit implementation-defined quickly too
21:19 < Filmboy84[m]> Give me a mo, will try to break it down. On mobile so c&p is going to be fun 😄
21:19 < SupSuper[m]> i don't think there's any solution besides "big list of options, possibly categorized". the trick is to make them easy to add without significant ui work
21:20 < JonnyH> naa Filmboy84[m] - no need, I read the message, it links to a text file :P
21:20 < Filmboy84[m]> Pt1/4
21:20 < Filmboy84[m]> With regards to the on/off setting of functions or "feature bugs" I agree everything needs to be switchable, currently most are displayed user-side under Options->More Options
21:20 < JonnyH> just less convenient :P
21:20 < Filmboy84[m]> Ah ok �
21:21 < JonnyH> like changing sale price, or making roads tougher, are 'mods' in the current layout - as they change the GameState data and not 'code'
21:22 < JonnyH> but tweaking the buy/sell price outside the standard 'economy' stuff will likely require code
21:22 < SupSuper[m]> even ufo et mod was just this: http://i.imgur.com/TBHPY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/k1Q1i.jpg
21:22 < Filmboy84[m]> Agreed supsuper
21:22 < Filmboy84[m]> Currently I'm making a menu akin to the one flacko made
21:22 < Filmboy84[m]> However an easy access button for this is proving problematic
21:22 < SupSuper[m]> but yes i would recommend just keeping them in their own screen
21:24 < Filmboy84[m]> I think one question I have at the moment is do we keep OpenApoc as minimum 640x480 resolution given its system requirements mean noones going to be running a display that low Res?
21:25 < Filmboy84[m]> Moving to a 1152x864 minimum would keep the 4:3 ratio but allow sooo much more room for options
21:26 < Filmboy84[m]> It would also still work on wide-screen monitors
21:27 < Pawlac> I think there should be a option left so that users with low end machines can still enjoy openapoc
21:27 < Pawlac> or at least with a CRT monitor whatever
21:28 < Pawlac> so if anything the modders and/or users should still have the option to add compatibility somehow when it comes to resolution. So basically there needs to be something to let the user define a GUI and the appropiate resolution it can support.
21:29 < JonnyH> Again, I like the idea of making it look /exactly/ like the OG, if that's big chunky stretched 4:3 pixels on your 5k screen? Meh :P
21:29 < JonnyH> Scaling UI should be possible with the forms - the reason the current UI is 640x480 limited is caus of the bitmap backgrounds
21:30 < JonnyH> The forms lib supports relative sizes (e.g. "100% screen size, create a scrollbar if needed")
21:30 < Pawlac> yes recreating art assets is quite problematic, you would need to find a artist that is willing to work consisently with a lot of assets.
21:30 < Filmboy84[m]> I can forsee pages of 640x480 screens, but I guess that's little different to many tabs if we get good navigation tools implemented
21:30 < JonnyH> see what waifu looks like? :P
21:30 < Pawlac> Freedoom for example took years to replace the majority of the monster sprite and it is still not done
21:31 < JonnyH> We're struggling to get things together right now as it is, more work isn't a 1.0 targer :P
21:31 < JonnyH> just the code to allow multiple-res assets would be a PITA
21:31 < Pawlac> what's the codebase like is it OOP mainly oriented or ECS?
21:31 < JonnyH> ECS?
21:32 < Filmboy84[m]> I've posted before with regards to graphics assets, we ideally need a 3D model of each asset and then a tool that converts it to all the different sprites
21:32 < JonnyH> Oh, entity/component
21:32 < Filmboy84[m]> This is the way they originally did Apocalypse's graphics
21:32 < Pawlac> Entity-Component System. For example lets say you want to make a tank entity, with traditional OOP you would have to create like a vehicle base class that the tank object inherits from
21:32 < Filmboy84[m]> But that's a huge job and a long way off 😄
21:33 < JonnyH> closer to oop, but still a hybrid
21:33 < Pawlac> on ECS however, the tank entity picks all the component it needs instead of inherting a vehicle class
21:33 < JonnyH> (like with all codebases, it's in the gray area betwee, but more inheritance than composition)
21:34 < Filmboy84[m]> Don't forget the LoFTemp masks
21:34 < Filmboy84[m]> For entities in game either
21:34 < Filmboy84[m]> Apoc supports far higher res than it uses
21:35 < JonnyH> and weirdness like the flying bike being a different aspect ratio too
21:35 < JonnyH> Which IIRC caused a "bug" in OG where it wasn't actually possible to hit sometimes as the point it aimed at was outside the hit box - so stuff like high accuracy bullets or homing missiles might just miss from the wrong angle :P
21:36 < Filmboy84[m]> Yeah, I think cityscape uses 32x32x16 with 32x32 masks
21:36 < Filmboy84[m]> Tactical uses 48x48x64 for some assets
21:36 < Filmboy84[m]> But still uses a 32x32 mask
21:37 < Filmboy84[m]> Apoc natively supported up to 64x64x64 but never actually used this
21:37 < Filmboy84[m]> Which lead to me being really confused when I first looked at things
21:38 < Pawlac> Well I can do some modelling work with Blender too but I think the art assets aren't that important yet and I am not that good at it either.
21:40 < Pawlac> and with my limited knowledge of C I wouldn't be able to help you much with the programming side of things
21:42 < Filmboy84[m]> I too would not worry about graphic assets yet
21:42 < Filmboy84[m]> But getting in a suitable mod workflow and structure for them is something on the to do list
21:44 < JonnyH> Feel free to do any art for "fun" - but at this point we don't know what the requirements of a "redrawn update" would be, so there's a pretty good chance anything created now wouldn't be useful
21:44 < Filmboy84[m]> The bottom line is we need a tool that takes a 3D model format, user selects or creates an appropriate set of masks, tool works out object orientation and takes bitmap snapshots of all the required angles then generates all the sprites
21:44 < JonnyH> I feel the same way about any publicity stuff really  - no point pushing for users of a not-yet-usable system :P
21:44 < Pawlac> damn that sounds quite complicated for my level
21:45 < JonnyH> Filmboy84 Easy enough really :P
21:45 < Filmboy84[m]> I always remember the OpenGFX project for OpenTTD... Also a Terry Greer inspired project like apoc...
21:45 < JonnyH> the scene lighting and whatever backgrounds would probably be the hardest part, but putting together a blender script or something (why write a rendere when we could just use theirs?) wouldn't be hard
21:45 < Pawlac> I have dozens of models I could "refurbish" a bit and use it as a fancy placeholder or something, I guess at the minimum I could try working on a example mod set + a minimum base mod
21:46 < Filmboy84[m]> It took a large team YEARS to complete
21:46 < JonnyH> Replacements to be all-or-nothing
21:46 < JonnyH> Not much worse than different-res slightly-different-style assets on the same screen
21:47 < Pawlac> I understand. Yeah its pointless being theoritcally 100% free but the assets are a mixed bag
21:48 < Filmboy84[m]> IIRC OpenApoc already supports 32bpp sprites at all resolutions am I correct?
21:48 < Pawlac> well is smoke_th still working on new models or something?
21:48 < Filmboy84[m]> PNG transparency too?
21:49 < Filmboy84[m]> The hovertaxi was a personal project iirc
21:49 < Filmboy84[m]> But still a great proof of concept
21:49 < Filmboy84[m]> I may try and see if I can use his model to make a new set of sprites for cityscape flyers I guess?
21:50 < Pawlac> Well so far he only showed off a render, no in-game changes
21:52 < JonnyH> Yeah, we support png as a direct replacemnet for any image
21:52 < JonnyH> But some screens (namely: The cityscape) use palette replacemnet for lighting
21:52 < JonnyH> which png doesn't support
21:53 < JonnyH> We could add support, like having 3 png files (for day/dusk/night) and interpolate like we do with the palettes - just we haven't yet
21:53 < JonnyH> this is one place where apoc is simpler than ufo - no in-mission lighting
21:54 < Pawlac> would it be difficult to add support for other image formats?
21:54 < JonnyH> pretty easy
21:54 < JonnyH> what format do you want to use?
21:54 < JonnyH> ...that can't be converted easily and losslessly to png?
21:55 < Pawlac> hmm I was thinking something along the lines that has a good compression support for graphic cards
21:55 < Pawlac> but dds is a bad format for sprite as if I recall it correctly it allows only power of 2 resolution
21:56 < JonnyH> dds is bad because each 4x4 block only has 2 color endpoints and limited interpolation granularity between the 2
21:56 < JonnyH> (DXT1 that is, dds is a container :)
21:56 < JonnyH> but it can be any size aligned to the 4x4 block size
21:57 < JonnyH> Power-of-two not needed
21:57 < Filmboy84[m]> Yeah in mission lighting for apoc was cut for time, budget and hardware limitations
21:57 < JonnyH> and only punchthrough alpha as an extension
21:57 < Pawlac> sounds plausible
21:58 < JonnyH> If you want gpu bandwidth savings, the paletted sprites are pretty good - only 1 byte per pixel (if the palette itself is cached)
21:58 < Pawlac> yeah and png is a bad format for that because it saves palette information too and doesn't provide a method to use a "global" palette sets
21:58 < JonnyH> DXT* generally is really bad at non-contiguous images
21:59 < JonnyH> Yeah, while we could collapse down 'the same' palette, it's a pain as many (most?) tools don't guarantee palette ordering
21:59 < Filmboy84[m]> That's quite incredible TBH, given RGB values alone give 256 values per colour at 8bpp
21:59 < JonnyH> so you might have the 'same' palette, but in the file it's different indices
21:59 < Filmboy84[m]> That's quite incredible TBH, given RGB values alone give 256 values per primary colour at 8bpp
22:00 < JonnyH> Though I had the current renderer running at 60fps on a mobile GPU ~4 years ago, so don't worry about gpu performance :P
22:00 < JonnyH> at 1080p that was too
22:01 < Pawlac> I'll guess then a support flif? It would save on disk space at least https://flif.info/
22:02 < JonnyH> limited color palette sprites are pretty much best-case for png already
22:02 < Filmboy84[m]> Fitting 9 digits into one byte not including the exact location of the pixel and all the other data needed is witchcraft
22:02 < Filmboy84[m]> Compression never ceases to amaze me
22:02 < Pawlac> "I had the current renderer running at 60fps on a mobile GPU ~4 years ago, so don't worry about gpu performance :P"
22:02 < JonnyH> I wrote an ASTC decoder a while back - /that/ was fun :D
22:03 < SupSuper> if you expect good modding support don't use formats that don't work in 99% tools people use :P
22:03 < Filmboy84[m]> Anyhow, night all 👋 💤
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22:03 < Pawlac> thats great to hear, I'll dislike people saying just because desktop computing power has been increased by a large margin over the past decade, that all of that should be wasted for some stupid thing.
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22:04 < JonnyH> the CPU use has skyrocketed with the simulation being put together though :P
22:04 < JonnyH> But we haven't looked at optimisations yet - like we check every object every tick when the majority are idle - we could have a separate 'active' list and cut out like ~90% of that in one go, for example
22:05 < Pawlac> yeah its hard to balance things out, especially if you want to have modding support as more stuff needs to be checked for and such things, depending on the complexity so in one way it is inevitable that computing usage gets increased.
22:05 < JonnyH> but that's something that could be added without fundamental code changes, so can be added once everything else is nailed down
22:05 < JonnyH> and the OG played more tricks and estimations to avoid CPU use, which might not be a good trade-off today
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22:06 < JonnyH> you ended up with some weird behaviour because of it - and stuff like LOCKED ticks/second
22:06 < JonnyH> at some ~18 fps or something :P (the OG IBM timer tick/2 IIRC)
22:06 < JonnyH> and even then dipped frames occasionally
22:08 < Pawlac> yes it was a common practice to use every method of optimization possible to make sure the game runs fluid as possible
22:09 < Pawlac> so it also ends up having things like that framerate gets "clocked" to CPU speed
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22:15 < JonnyH> We still currently lock simulation and render together
22:16 < JonnyH> as lots of the OG simulation kinda ended up relying on that
22:16 < JonnyH> Disassociating the two would be extremely difficult
22:16 < JonnyH> and be less 'accuracy', and might even require more map data for stuff like collision volumes and stuff...
22:17 < JonnyH> Or maybe I'm just lazy *shrug*
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22:22 < Pawlac> so capping the simulation rate is not a option?
22:24 < JonnyH> yes, it currently caps at 60fps
22:25 < JonnyH> but must of the OG data is often based on the tick speed
22:25 < JonnyH> like vehicle or projectile velocity appears to be stored as a "number of map units every tick"
22:25 < JonnyH> So everything is divided by a magic number, approximating the difference between 60fps and the 18(?) the OG ran at
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12:42 < Pawlac> well I documented vehicle_types.xml a bit, the formatting is not perfect but covers most of the attributes now.
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16:05 < JonnyH> We could add a description to the serialization generation source or something
16:06 < JonnyH> then use that to generate the docs for both the xml and c++ it generateas
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18:42 < Pawlac> Does the data extractor need additional infos or something? I tried to extract a pck file but it failed at it, heres the log: https://gist.github.com/JohnSmith25/7e0be11289e1c7f728d55f38ba18bec5
18:43 < JonnyH> Yes, they need the .tab file
18:44 < JonnyH> and you don't want the DataExtractor
18:45 < JonnyH> instead imagedump to convert to a .png
18:45 < JonnyH> that takes a "image string"
18:46 < JonnyH> in the format "{FORMAT}:{path_to_pck}:{path_to_tab}:{index of image in pck file}:{palette file to use}"
18:46 < JonnyH> e.g. "xcom3/ufodata/agntico.pck:xcom3/ufodata/agntico.tab:42:xcom3/ufodata/pal_01.dat" would open the 43rd (0 indexed :) image of agntico.tab/agntico.pck
18:47 < JonnyH> Unfortunately, the PCK file format doesn't have a descriptor telling you which subformat it uses (hence needing PCK at the beginning)
18:47 < JonnyH> and each pck file contains multiple images, the offsets of which are stored in the .tab file of the same name
18:48 < JonnyH> and it's a paletted format with an external palette - you might need to look around to see which palette would be used
18:48 < JonnyH> But if you just want a reference to see what each image contains, I already extracted everything (or nearly everything?) here:
18:48 < JonnyH> http://s2.jonnyh.net/pub/list/openapoc_dumped_images/
18:49 < JonnyH> the dump_everyhing tool automatically dumps all images - and the source contains a table of known palette/format combination
18:51 < Pawlac> alright will try, thanks for the info.
18:51 < JonnyH> the ExtractData runs in the build to extract data tables from the .exes and similar
18:51 < JonnyH> While images are loaded at runtime - no "conversion" needed
18:52 < JonnyH> but it's nice to see a standard image format that you can actually view, or format shift to a .png and modify to replace assets, hence the image extraction tools
18:55 < Pawlac> yeah its easier to edit that away, because with such specialized fileformats you would need first to find a tool that can read it or reverse engineering yourself somehow.
18:55 < JonnyH> We currently don't support converting /back/ to pck
18:56 < JonnyH> but as we can load png images and replace things anyway it makes sense for 'new' assets to be in png format anyway
18:56 < Pawlac> hmm if there is for example 1k png files to load wouldn't it take longer for the game to start?
18:57 < JonnyH> Maybe? Depends on what the loading bottleneck is
18:58 < JonnyH> Like the png files are nearly always smaller for the same image
18:58 < JonnyH> our pck loader is dumb as hell
18:58 < JonnyH> and on "real" OSs (IE not windows :) opening lots of files isn't really that slow anyway
18:58 < Pawlac> yeah its smaller in disk space but it is not a graphic card optimized format which is my main concern with png files
18:59 < Pawlac> If I recall it correctly a png file takes around 4-6 times the filesize in GPU memory
18:59 < JonnyH> The PNG files will be stored in rgba (4bytes-per-pixel) in GPU memory yeah, so will use more bandwidth rendering
18:59 < JonnyH> but honestly, you need something *seriously* slow for that to be an issue :)
19:00 < Pawlac> Well for example in Factorio it takes a while to load and even more so if there it is loading a lot of mods because they are using only png for sprites and tiles
19:01 < JonnyH> Maybe - if it becomes a problem we can fix it
19:02 < JonnyH> Though I remember on some bad gpu drivers (*cough* Intel Windows *cough*) the initial texture atlas creation takes a long time as it doesn't pipeline each upload into the same texture...
19:03 < SupSuper> tbf everyone has given up on intel :p
19:03 < JonnyH> At least on opengl :)
19:03 < Pawlac> yeah its not a big concern right now because there isn't even a medium sized mod for OpenApoc available
19:03 < JonnyH> less to screw up on DX, as MS provide so much of their own layers you kinda /have/ to end up writing it with the same strengths/weaknesses
19:04 < SupSuper> just wait til people are making 8gb mods that require x64
19:05 < Pawlac> yeah its not so far off with all the new game assets tools available nowadays, which lets you make 4k-16k textures for a single model
19:05 < Pawlac> and "modern" games are already in 50-100GB range
19:09 < JonnyH> I don't think we currently have any hard limits on sprite/surface size
19:09 < JonnyH> Anything about 256 in any dimension isn't paxked into the spritesheet anyway (which are 4kx4k)
19:13 < Pawlac> thats good, that should help with people that are interresting in making hi-res renders
19:47 < Pawlac> for {FORMAT} do I need to write pck to it or something?
19:47 < Pawlac> figured out its that one
20:00 < Pawlac> did anybody made a blender template to render all the necessary sprites for cityscape and/or battlescape?
20:02 < JonnyH> No, not blender? Not sure how blender would load the images?
20:04 < SupSuper> he means using blender to render 3d models as an iso sprite
20:05 < JonnyH> Oh, no I'm not aware of anyone getting the models the sprites were rendered from
20:05 < JonnyH> Redrawing everything to look similar would be a lot of work....
20:06 < JonnyH> Maybe specific sprites would be nice to do that though - some look *bad* wwhen they were smashed down to fit the palette (like the multiworm.... ugh)
20:06 < JonnyH> Or reintroduce lighting in battlescape
20:07 < JonnyH> Though some of that we could do with a tonemapping table rather than palette conversion - but then you can't do things like lights changing color without some fancyness...
20:12 < Pawlac> damn well alright looks like I have to figure out that one, which I will do once I documented the wiki a bit more and polishing the bash scripts.
20:14 < JonnyH> Remember, we can change things to make it easier :)
20:15 < Pawlac> I would need to look up the battlescape weapon sprites look like first as it obviously has several frames but I dunno their order
20:16 < Pawlac> I already managed to get custom weapons to work with ripped content
20:16 < JonnyH> I find having a copy of that whole set of dumped images is handy for referene :)
20:16 < JonnyH> Hence there being a .zip of all of them, as not everyone has experience with tools to download a whole http tree
20:17 < Pawlac> alright thats cool that will save some work on my side so I can get straight figuring out a render template
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15:52 < Pawlac> Well I wrote a basic modding guide now
15:52 < Pawlac> https://github.com/JohnSmith25/OpenApoc/wiki/Modding-guide---basics
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23:16 < asheno[m]> Hi! I'm Ash. Really excited to see this project is active! I just got it to build and run on my Mac. Now I'm looking around to see what I can contribute.
23:19 < asheno[m]> I have ~7 years of c++ experience. Mostly server side and batch processing code. I'm most familiar with abseil / bazel
23:20 < asheno[m]> No experience with game programming or graphics stuff though
23:20  * Filmboy84[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/nCEMMURNwUDEKkwrrPGHjAdx >
23:20 < JonnyH> Cool - welcome ash :)
23:21 < JonnyH> As Filmboy said - anything specific you're interested in? Always helps with 'passion' projets :P
23:22 < asheno[m]> For starters I figured I can try picking up a simple gameplay bug.
23:22 < Filmboy84[m]> That'd be perfect, theres a host of issues on the bugtracker
23:22 < jtrhamilton[m]> ...So I guess the irc->discord integration is busted (or laggy) again - was shouting into the void 😛
23:22 < Filmboy84[m]> So anything you can do to whack bugs is welcome
23:22 < Filmboy84[m]> Fraid so jonnyh
23:23 < Filmboy84[m]> It comes and goes
23:23 < jtrhamilton[m]> Oh, there we go 😉
23:23 < asheno[m]> But then what's the usual flow for fixing bugs? Do people do manual verification? Are there automated tests?
23:23 < jtrhamilton[m]> there's not much integration testing
23:24 < jtrhamilton[m]> there's a couple of very low level unit tests under the 'tests/' directory that are run by the CI
23:24 < jtrhamilton[m]> but they were more me checking low level behaviour than really useful "testing" as such....
23:24 < SupSuper[m]> pretty much manual, gamedev is hard to test
23:24 < jtrhamilton[m]> Difficult to automate, yeah
23:24 < SupSuper[m]> outside of core systems and stuff like jtrhamilton did
23:25 < jtrhamilton[m]> I'm currently looking at a couple of renderer issues (the crash on some nvidia drivers, and why MacOS falls back to the slow, old GL2 renderer 😃
23:26 < jtrhamilton[m]> Now the lua integration is there, more in depth system testing might be possible....
23:26 < asheno[m]> Got it. Maybe there's a way to build a selenium like framework? Load from a save file, issue clicks, extract screenshot and compare against a golden file
23:27 < jtrhamilton[m]> But generally the flow is pretty ad-hoc - try to fix something, open a PR on github, and I'll have annoying c++ style nitpicks 😉
23:27 < jtrhamilton[m]> We did support input recording a replaying a while back
23:28 < jtrhamilton[m]> but it never really got reliable enough and frame-locked to guarantee stuff like that...
23:28 < jtrhamilton[m]> But you can programmatically load a save, progress a number of frames then quit using the cmdline interface today
23:28 < asheno[m]> I see
23:29 < jtrhamilton[m]> but 'golden' saves weren't that useful when the save format was changing so much
23:29 < jtrhamilton[m]> as the game state objects themselves were still being built and tweaked as people implemented new stuff or poked around the OG apoc to figure out how it worked better
23:30 < asheno[m]> I see. Nowadays it's not changing that much?
23:30 < jtrhamilton[m]> which is more stable today - so might be a more usful project now
23:31 < jtrhamilton[m]> Less, still some things aren't implemented (or likely will change behavior significantly to "match" the OG apoc)
23:31 < jtrhamilton[m]> but not wholesale fundamental changes anymore, no
23:31 < jtrhamilton[m]> so tweaking a set of golden saves when implementing something new wouldn't be as crazy
23:41 < asheno[m]> Got it, thanks for the info! I'll try to pick up a bug, and look into the action replaying code
23:52 < jtrhamilton[m]> TBH the input code is a bit of a mess now
23:52 < jtrhamilton[m]> Random translation between SDL and out own event objects...
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00:26 < JonnyH> Pawlac: https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/pull/558 might be useful?
00:26 < JonnyH> Somewhat untested :)
00:27 < Pawlac> yeah exactly the choice for multiple mods is even more handy
01:04 < Pawlac> I tested it now, it works pretty well
01:07 < Pawlac> or at the very least it did loaded the custom weapons I have, I will do more test later I will head to bed now. Good night.
01:49 < JonnyH> Cool - if you tested it (incl multiple mods) and it seemed to work post on the PR and I'll merge it
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21:54 < Pawlac> Filmboy84[m]: so there is still no news about a render template?
21:58 < Filmboy84[m]> Not at present, i can find screens of the old original 3D models, but no chance of getting hold of them
21:58 < Filmboy84[m]> With regards to Templates, i think we need the OpenApoc devs to put our heads together and work out a workflow before we can select standards and formats that would be appropriate
22:00 < Pawlac> hm screens are not much useful because it would miss important information such as perspectives, angles and so on to have a correct render. Formats as in what OpenApoc 3D models it can load?
22:01 < JonnyH> OpenApoc will never load the 3d objects directly
22:01 < JonnyH> It just doesn't make sense to do the whole 3d renderer scene in-game
22:02 < Pawlac> yeah its a lot of work getting some basic OpenGL stuff to work
22:02 < Filmboy84[m]> Exaclty, the 3D models are simply used to generate sprites and save on drawing time
22:03 < JonnyH> Basic 3d stuff is easy :P
22:03 < Pawlac> though there would be some advances for the vehicles at least because then you can just simply swap the mesh pieces with something different like a turret model
22:03 < JonnyH> Though I spend my life working on OpenGL....
22:04 < JonnyH> It'll be easier to have an external tool (either out own or scripted blender or something) connected together in an asset pipeline
22:04 < JonnyH> than actually loading and rendering at runtime
22:05 < Filmboy84[m]> Not sure if this will pass through the bridge to an IRC download, but here's a sample of one of the original 3D renders used for the MegaPol Armour Sprites...
22:05 < Filmboy84[m]> Even low-poly models like this would produce better game sprites in OpenApoc now that the original ones
22:05  * Filmboy84[m] uploaded an image: 1530556380-1146760920.png (126KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/t2bot.io/e77704239b40a7846d7bccb205b846d611b88d29 >
22:05 < Filmboy84[m]> *edit:* ~~Not sure if this will pass through the bridge to an IRC download, but here's a sample of one of the original 3D renders used for the MegaPol Armour Sprites...
22:05 < Filmboy84[m]> Even low-poly models like this would produce better game sprites in OpenApoc now that the original ones~~ -> Not sure if this will pass through the bridge to an IRC download, but here's a sample of one of the original 3D renders used for the MegaPol Armour Sprites...
22:05 < Filmboy84[m]> Even low-poly models like this would produce better game sprites in OpenApoc now than the original ones
22:05 < JonnyH> drawing 3d is pretty easy. Getting a good scene description and lighting is hard.
22:05 < JonnyH> IT makes sense to use a tool that already does that well
22:06 < JonnyH> Filmboy84[m]: It links to the png at matrix.org - so works OK on irc
22:06 < JonnyH> but editing stuff just posts the old/new message pair
22:08 < Pawlac> would it be possible to ask Gollop that he uploads a single template that he used? Then those information could be transfered to blender and then anybody can make their own assets now
22:09 < JonnyH> I'm 99% sure gollop won't have those assets hanging around
22:09 < JonnyH> and 99.99% sure if they did it'll be a clusterfuck of permission and weird ownership that spending $$$$ on lawyers to release them to us will never happen
22:11 < Filmboy84[m]> Nah, Julian nor Nick Gollop have the models, i've already spoken to him (as has makus)
22:11 < Pawlac> well thats pretty bad
22:11 < Filmboy84[m]> Neither *
22:12 < Filmboy84[m]> Tim White and Terry Greer did have copies, Tim White also holding the original sculpts
22:12 < Filmboy84[m]> But in both cases they are lost to time
22:13 < Pawlac> Welp this leaves no other options then having to do a lot of guesses and approximations
22:13 < Filmboy84[m]> So any 3D models would have to be done anew
22:13 < Filmboy84[m]> Though the positive side of this would be that OpenApoc could rid itself of original game dependancy if we also replace the music
22:13 < JonnyH> redrawing everything :)
22:13 < Filmboy84[m]> This is what OpenTTD to free itself from the grey area of reverse engineered "open source"
22:13 < JonnyH> good luck with that..
22:13 < JonnyH> OpenTTD have 100x the resources we do
22:13 < JonnyH> and it took *years*
22:14 < Pawlac> OpenApoc already has the possibilites for that, the problem is the lack of manpower and for a Open Source project it is even more troublesome
22:14 < Filmboy84[m]> It's a monumental task, but if done correctly it pays off
22:14 < Filmboy84[m]> We also have one big advantage OTTD did not have
22:14 < Filmboy84[m]> We know that we need 3D models from the outset... All of OTTDs stuff had to be hand drawn and a special code developed
22:15 < SupSuper_> well some modders did use models for openttd 32bpp set
22:16 < Filmboy84[m]> Indeed, but ive seen this project go through quiet times (8 months without a commit) and busy times (20+ in a month) so i hold hope that it will get there eventually
22:16 < SupSuper_> you can render in isometric view, just have to get the settings right. breaking them apart into multiple sprites is more complicated
22:17 < Filmboy84[m]> Im not too bothered about new assets at the moment anyway, getting OpenApoc stable and at 1.0 functionality is key for me
22:17 < Filmboy84[m]> And agreed with SupSuper, OTTD does have some 32bpp projects and ones made from 3D renders, but the core OpenGFX drive was always hand drawn
22:18 < Filmboy84[m]> It shouldn't be too hard to work out the lighting points and intensities for Apoc by looking at the original work
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22:19 < Pawlac> Breaking up parts can be achieved by rendering the whole scene again witouth a piece
22:20 < Pawlac> For a vehicle with turrets you would have to do that anyway, and for agents it is similar. Depending how the model topology is made you could use vertex groups or when it is pieces disabling the render settings+shadows for that.
22:54 < Pawlac> "getting OpenApoc stable and at 1.0 functionality is key for me". Shouldn't the milestone page be update to reflect any remaining issues that needs to be done?
22:54 < Pawlac> updated*
22:55 < JonnyH>  //TODO: Update milestone page
22:56 < JonnyH> also... we have a milestone page?
22:56 < SupSuper_> we have a page?
23:08 < Pawlac> yeah
23:08 < Pawlac> https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/milestone/3
23:10 < JonnyH> discord desynced again? :(
23:11 < Pawlac> Don't know I don't use discord at all.
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08:02 < asheno[m]> ASan found a bad memory access right off the bat - when trying to render the main menu. Running with ASan and fixing these bugs is probably a good way to reduce a whole bunch of segfault crashes.
08:04 < asheno[m]> I'd be happy to file github issues if you give me permission. This is my github user: https://github.com/ashenomo
08:07 < asheno[m]> BTW I started looking at https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/issues/395 . Looks like there are multiple stuck vehicle issues due to GotoLocation missions internally generated by other missions (GotoBuilding, RecoverVehicle, etc).  Still thinking about a good solution for this.
08:08 < asheno[m]> In some cases the stuck vehicles trigger re-pathing in every tick, which is probably what's causing the slowdowns.
08:16 < Pawlac> you can create the issue right away, no need for permission
08:21 < Pawlac> but its good you figured out a cause for this bug, I think after you are done with this bug you could look into vehicles that get stuck in the garage when the building collapses to see if there is anything similar to that.
08:51 < Filmboy84[m]> Thanks for your efforts asheno
08:51 < Filmboy84[m]> With regards to cmake, jonnyh or supsuper may be best to answer
08:51 < Filmboy84[m]> makus , can you give ashenomo permission to post issues and PRs on git please?
09:49 < Pawlac> Filmboy84[m]: do you know where those weapon sprites are packaged? I can't find a file named BATTLEUNITIMAGEPACK* and looking through the image dumps doesn't seem to have it either
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12:20 < makus[m]> Filmboy84 but you have same rights at github? =]
12:22 < makus[m]> ..or you busy now
13:11 < makus[m]> https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/invitations
17:18 < JonnyH> FYI I normally run with asan, and hadn't noticed anything recently
17:18 < JonnyH> Any chance you can paste the output somewhere?
17:18 < JonnyH> and generally, we should allow anyone to file an issue... no permissions requires
17:21 < JonnyH> yeah, there shoul dbe no requirements for creating an issue - any github user should be able to...
17:22 < JonnyH> same with PRs
17:22 < JonnyH> Just they can't merge them or delete issues IIRC
17:27 < jtrhamilton[m]> FYI no permissions or invitations are needed for creating issues or PRs
17:27 < jtrhamilton[m]> Any github user should already be able to
17:28 < jtrhamilton[m]> And I run ASAN myself pretty commonly and haven't noticed any issues, so please post the output somewhere 😃
17:29 < jtrhamilton[m]> Also for the constantly-repathing vehicles - maybe some exponential backoff (IE increasing snooze time for each failed path in a row) would be good
17:29 < jtrhamilton[m]> Maybe extend the pathing to allow a run to ignore "temporary" blockages (IE other vehicles, damage) so see if it's possible, and we've not got stuck somewhere where it's simply impossible to get out
17:30 < jtrhamilton[m]> Hopefully that'll never happen - but if it does probably the "least worst" thing would be to magically warp to unstick?
18:27 < Filmboy84[m]> That could be a good thing to do
18:27 < Filmboy84[m]> Maybe try five attempts over a longer period, then warp if it cannot do it?
18:30 < jtrhamilton[m]> I like the staged backoff from ethernet and similar
18:30 < jtrhamilton[m]> First try like 10 ticks later (in case there's a vehicle in the way
18:31 < jtrhamilton[m]> Next maybe 100, then 10000, then .....
18:31 < jtrhamilton[m]> Maybe "next morning" as things only repair at midnight
18:31 < jtrhamilton[m]> But I'd like to extend the pathfinding to do a second run to see if it will /ever/ be possible 😛
18:32 < jtrhamilton[m]> IE if all roads are repaired,all buildings repaired, there's no other traffic
18:45 < Filmboy84[m]> Ive got a nagging feeling that happened in OG rarely
18:45 < Filmboy84[m]> A vehicle that was stuck would become free at midnight
18:45 < Filmboy84[m]> Ive got a nagging feeling that happened in OG rarely
18:45 < Filmboy84[m]> A vehicle that was stuck would become free at midnight when tiles were rebuilt
18:46 < Filmboy84[m]> Currently the city doesn't rebuild a few tiles each night (costing parent organisation money) like it does in vanilla
18:46 < Filmboy84[m]> But i know it's on the to do
18:48 < jtrhamilton[m]> I feel like someone going around and finding and collating all the "todo" lists would be handy 😛
18:48 < jtrhamilton[m]> In my opinion, just putting it in the git repo is the best idea - then everything is in one place, and versioned with the code that is the thing to do 😃
18:48 < Filmboy84[m]> Heh, that's something im more than happy to do
18:48 < Filmboy84[m]> It would also be good to combine all three "Issues" into one Issue and leaving on git
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20:14 < asheno[m]> Ah okay - I had tried to assign issue 395 to myself but didn't see an "issue edit" button, so I assumed I was missing all issue write permissions. I see a "new issue" button now - but maybe it was there before too & I didn't notice 😄
20:25 < asheno[m]> For the constantly repathing vehicles: I haven't yet seen an issue due to repeated collisions. the cases found on issue 395 are where the vehicle is asked to go to a permanently unreachable spot (blocked by building in one case, destroyed road tile in another). Probably the target became unreachable after the mission was assigned.
20:28 < asheno[m]> I guess the intended mechanism to handle that case is to eventually run out of reroute attempts, but that's not happening in these cases. I'll look into why later today.
20:33 < asheno[m]> Re: game stability, I saw a handful of segfault crashes when loading a save game, or at the end of a day. I'm running in macos btw. I'll post ASAN reports as I find them.
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19:24 < jtrhamilton[m]> FYI I fixed a crash I saw whenever a KeyboardEvent was triggered in https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/pull/561
19:24 < jtrhamilton[m]> maybe other event types too
19:24 < jtrhamilton[m]> but apparently I rarely use the keyboard playing apoc 😃
19:25 < SupSuper[m]> i noticed random crashes with tooltips but couldn't track them down
19:54 < Pawlac> neat, its one bug less.
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05:45 < asheno[m]> jtrhamilton That actually might be the asan crash I saw: https://pastebin.com/jZE9ghHE
06:17 < asheno[m]> Yep, asan crash disappeared after I pulled that change
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13:16 < asheno[m]> Looks like Appveyor build failed for my change, but the error doesn't seem related. Is it usually flaky? https://ci.appveyor.com/project/OpenApoc/openapoc/builds/24152477/job/hbtmd5ufhplx3ltq
14:07 < jtrhamilton[m]> Yeah I saw it on asan. Hence me saying I clearly rarely use the keyboard when testing :)
14:09 < jtrhamilton[m]> And looks like appveyor failed to upload the artifacts
14:09 < jtrhamilton[m]> The build itself looks good
14:10 < jtrhamilton[m]> Last time that happened was because we ran out of space, but now old builds should be pruned automatically... I'll check
14:11 < jtrhamilton[m]> Also, it's probably best to fork the repo and use that for your work in progress stuff, instead of a branch on the main repo
14:11 < jtrhamilton[m]> Keeps things cleaner
14:13 < asheno[m]> Thanks! Noted, I'll make a fork. Sorry never done it before..:migrane:
14:14 < jtrhamilton[m]> No problem
14:14 < asheno[m]> How about this one - Is this failure due to clang-format? https://travis-ci.org/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/jobs/525552929
14:14 < jtrhamilton[m]> All the CI builds should also work when you submit a PR
14:14 < asheno[m]> I thought I clang-formatted both files I touched
14:15 < jtrhamilton[m]> Yeah, the lint pass build output shows a diff from what it expects
14:15 < jtrhamilton[m]> Unfortunately, clang format changes some things based on version used
14:15 < jtrhamilton[m]> So it may be a newer/older version changes things slightly...
14:16 < jtrhamilton[m]> You can download the specific version and run it manually with "clang-format.exe -i /path/to/file.cpp /path/to/otherfile.h" or similar
14:18 < jtrhamilton[m]> Oh, And the macos graphics is a bit screwed up in places due to their really bad opengl support
14:18 < jtrhamilton[m]> Slowly working on changing that...
14:19 < asheno[m]> Looks like there are two clang-format checks on travis. One of them failed and the other one passed for my PR: https://github.com/OpenApoc/OpenApoc/pull/563
14:19 < asheno[m]> Ah.. shame about macos graphics
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13:19 < asheno[m]> Yep, setting --Framework.Data.ImageCacheSize 200000 gets rid of most crashes - nice!
13:24 < asheno[m]> Also a bunch of the random issues I was seeing are now fixed?! I don't think I even pulled, so not sure why..
13:24 < asheno[m]> Intro movie no longer stops when I move the mouse
13:24 < asheno[m]> Mouse cursor is now working properly in cityscape forms
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13:18 < asheno[m]> I'll use the ash-395 branch for this PR, and my own fork for other changes going forward.
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10:02 < ZombieChicken> Hello. Does openapoc support any of the xcom games other than just apocalype?
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10:05 < Filmboy84[m]> Im afraid not, there is OpenXCOM for UFO and TFTD though
10:05 < Filmboy84[m]> https://openxcom.org/
10:05 < Filmboy84[m]> OpenApoc is just aimed at X-COM:Apocalypse
10:06 < ZombieChicken> yeah. I was looking at the XCom games on GOG and didn't notice the other two listed on there aren't the tbs games tftd, ufo, and apoc are
10:06 < ZombieChicken> thanks for the info, however
10:06 < ZombieChicken> How is Apoc different from the other two anyways?
10:07 < Filmboy84[m]> Are, are you talking of XCOM: Enemy Unknown (2012) and XCOM 2?
10:07 < Filmboy84[m]> The new firaxis games?
10:08 < Filmboy84[m]> Apoc does not have a geoscope, instead a living breathing city to protect
10:08 < Filmboy84[m]> It also features a Real Time combat mode
10:08 < Filmboy84[m]> As well as the classic turn based
10:08 < ZombieChicken> Enforcer and Interceptor
10:08 < ZombieChicken> were the other two I was looking at
10:09 < Filmboy84[m]> Ah, yes, enforcer is the hashed together compensation for the cancelled FPS, X-COM Alliance
10:09 < Filmboy84[m]> Interceptor was a Space Combat Sim, it was very good, but not what people were used to
10:09 < Filmboy84[m]> It also lacked unit and mission diversity
10:10 < Filmboy84[m]> Other than that Interceptor was a solid game
10:10 < Filmboy84[m]> Enforcer is a mess though
10:10 < Filmboy84[m]> Its just horrible
10:10 < Filmboy84[m]> Basically an FPS arcade game
10:11 < Filmboy84[m]> As to X-COM Apocalypse, ive got some videos here from the Original Game, the Original BETA2 and OpenApoc
10:11 < Filmboy84[m]> Including a LP of OpenApoc from last year
10:11 < Filmboy84[m]> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbhcrfg-wMOppyYIm5aQBSg?view_as=subscriber
10:15 < ZombieChicken> interesting
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05:43 < makongofmyg0t[m]> https://myg0t.gg pwns u
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06:46 < makongofmyg0t[m]> https://myg0t.gg pwns u
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18:20 < LPhas> Hi i just installed openapoc and i'm getting a ton of errors of "missing label" when i try to access any inventory
18:20 < LPhas> It seems to macroscopical to be bug, I must be doing somehting wrong
18:20 < LPhas> But i've got no clue about what
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17:28 < psydrone> I'd like to translate Apoc into Dutch, I already requested it on Transifex, I hope I can start on that soon
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07:24 < magic9mushroom> Hello.
07:25 < magic9mushroom> I am searching for information about X-Com Apocalypse.
07:25 < magic9mushroom> I was hoping someone here would know the guts of the accuracy formula in vanilla Apoc.
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09:14 < magic9mushroom> Hello Lightkey.
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12:51 < magic9mushroom> Is anyone here?
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19:20 < JonnyH> I guess that means the discord bridge is broken again?
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11:17 < TheSnide_> seems so
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14:33 < magic9mushroom> I have a couple of further questions about this pastebin https://pastebin.com/PuSSyziU
14:34 < magic9mushroom> specifically I'm wondering what curr_remain_TUs_2_mod and move_mode are and what the "if move_mode" block does exactly
14:35 < magic9mushroom> also I'm wondering whether there's a hit/miss test or whether the "accuracy" output is stuffed straight into a scatter spread
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19:27 < JonnyH> hey magic9mushroom  - you might get more of a response on our discord
19:27 < JonnyH> There's more people on it, and the discord->irc bridge that should connect the two appears to be down :P
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04:46 < magic9mushroom> JonnyH I don't know discord
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13:57 < TheSnide_> discord :'(
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14:03 < TheSnide> ah, it seems the bot is back
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